What if in only six months you could completely rewire your nervous system, your relationships, your motherhood—and your entire sense of self?
In this soul-expanding episode, I sit down with my client, Hani Caiserman, founder of Breath of Hani, who supports mothers through pregnancy, postpartum, and every sacred stage of womanhood. Hani guides women in clearing generational trauma, reconnecting to their truth, and grounding into their power using breathwork, coaching, and spiritual tools.
We unpack:
- How she uses conscious breathwork to help mothers shift trauma and regulate their nervous systems
- The way generational healing has transformed her family dynamics, marriage, and mothering
- Her process of building a soul-aligned business while raising four kids
- What self-concept work and astrology did to rapidly shift her reality
- Why her story proves that real transformation doesn’t have to take years
Hani is proof that you can be a devoted mother and a powerful, visionary leader—and that 6 months of committed soul work can change everything.
Connect with Hani:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/breath.of.hani/
Website: https://breathofhani.com
Join Hani's community: https://hani-caiserman.mykajabi.com/Breathe
Self concept workshop register link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EKXgZ2iPc95oCitLkLRLL6kdCHwQxztF-_r7DKsS2p4/edit?usp=sharing
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Okay.
So I'm really excited because Ihave my client and just, I feel
like you're my friend at thispoint.
Um, Hani Zerman on today.
I've loved working with Hani.
Honestly, like I've cried a lotof days because I feel like Hani
and me are so similar.
And through working with her, Ijust was like, wow, people like
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me do exist.
People who are not afraid to gointo the shadow and not afraid
to like, go deep and reallytransmute shit.
Like it takes a lot to do whatI've seen Hani do over these
last six months.
Like it's insane to me whatshe's done.
Um, and it's brought so much joyand like.
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Positivity to my life.
So I'm just really excited tohave her on because she also
helps mothers and women throughlike every stage of womanhood.
So we're gonna talk about that.
She helps mothers go andtransition into pregnancy.
Um, and then mothering.
And then all stages ofwomanhood.
And I can say like I can vouchfor Hani, she is like divine
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medicine woman, just so good atwhat she does.
And I want people to see what'spossible in like such a short
period of time.
Because a lot of the transitionsand transformations I've seen
Hani over go undergo in the lastsix months would take most
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people several years.
And so I'm just excited for youto hear how she thinks and all
those different things.
So Hani, thank you so much forbeing here.
Thank you.
Like tearing up listening.
Literally, I don't even thinkI've told you how many times
I've cried over my gratitude inprivate.
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Um, so I would just love to hearyour origin story and where you
came from and how you even gotinto wanting to help women with
motherhood.
She does her, uh, business iscalled Breath of Hani, so she
does breath work and differentthings like that, but I don't
think I've ever heard like howyou got into all of this.
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Yeah.
Um, okay.
Well how far back do I wanna go?
Um, so real quickly, I, um, soI'm a mother and I have four
children and their ages arefrom, uh, my oldest is almost 18
to my youngest is four.
So I've been having children forquite some years.
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And, um.
I, so the work that I do is withpregnancy, postpartum, and in
womanhood, and it's utilizing,um, breath work techniques and
clearing generational traumacycles.
And that just kind of naturallyevolved because as a very young
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person growing up, I was likehyper aware of things that were
happening within my familydynamics, um, with my parents,
like in our immediate family.
And then extending to likeextended family and grandparents
and aunties and how, um,everyone treated each other and
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just, yeah, family patterns thatI did not like.
And you know, I was young so Ididn't really understand.
You just kind of accept thingsas face value.
So when I began my family.
I think I was 25 when I hadNoah, my oldest.
And it was kind of at that pointwhere things clicked in where I
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was like, okay, I'm gonna dothis differently.
Um, and still not really awareof how or what was happening,
but I made a conscious effortto, um, break these cycles.
Like it was almost like innatein me.
And then later on as the yearsprogressed, I found a modality
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that dealt, that I got trainedin that was specifically to
generational trauma and clearingsubconscious patterns and cycles
within the family unit that goway back.
And so that's kind of how I gotinto that aspect.
And then as the years went on, Ium, got certified in breath work
and I used this specifictechnique to do the trauma
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clearing.
And gosh, there's like so manydetails I could go into.
I'm trying to make it concise,but what really kind of set
things off was in um, 2020, Ihad my fourth baby, little Miss
Mila and I was not planning onhaving her.
And I'm very much as Rachelknows, I like plans.
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She's got a Capricorn moon in aVirgo Midheaven.
Yeah.
It's written in my stars.
Um, and so Mila was not a partof my plan and she, it was
almost like she activatedsomething inside of me where I
was going on a differenttrajectory.
And it was like she came in andwas like, no mom, this is like,
not, we're gonna do somethingelse.
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And she would have like, shewould kind of get stuck in this,
um.
I don't think I did ever sh Ididn't share this with you.
No, this is really cool.
So she would get stuck almost inthis, um, like in the astro
plane where she would besleeping and I could feel that
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she was waking up, but shewouldn't all the way wake up and
she would get freaked out andthere was nothing I could do to
soothe her, which was so unlikeall of my other children.
As soon as I put them in my armsor, you know, start nursing
them, it's like they're good togo.
Like she, she couldn't, yeah.
So it was, it was thisinteresting thing that was
happening that I had never dealtwith, with my three previous
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babies.
Um, and so I started doing thesedifferent types of meditations
with her and like working withher energy in the quantum field.
And I had always been reallyinterested in those things and
like metaphysics and, you know,you kind of like dive in more
sometimes.
And then I just got busy withlife and.
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With Mila.
I didn't know how else to, um, Idon't wanna say like handle or
manage it, but it was likesomething was going on that it's
like I, I was in tune with it.
Um, and I wanted to help her.
So I started kind of working onher energetic field and my
energetic field and like ourconnection and, um, and I don't
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know if I wanna say solve theproblem, the issue, but there
was a few different things thatI started doing with her that I
was like, I can help moms, I canhelp moms do this.
And this is how it, itoriginally started where I was
like, okay, I want to, um,develop some different ways.
I, I wasn't sure at that time,so this was, I don't know, maybe
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two or three years ago of how Iwas going to maybe package it or
coach women or what I was gonnado.
And so slowly as I just got moreand more, um.
I dove deeper and deeper intoall of these.
Like got my coachingcertification, um, did some
intuition work, did more breathwork training, more generational
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trauma healing, and I just, um,I just kept diving deeper and
deeper in, and then breath of haevolved from there.
So, yeah.
Are there any specific questionsin that?
I mean, there's so much that Icould go into.
Yeah.
I never heard that story before.
That's so cool that you didthat.
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So I would love to know aboutlike, the breath work piece,
like, and how you, how did youwork on her energy field and
your energy field specifically?
So at the time when I starteddoing it, it was like purely on
like intuition and um, just kindof being psychic, I guess, you
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know.
So I would be holding her.
So what I started doingactually, is I started working
on her energy field and ourconnection before she went to
bed.
So as she was in that liminalspace, it was almost maybe kind
of like hypnotherapy, a littlebit like a baby version, you
know?
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And so I would hold her and Iwould like ground both of us.
I mean, they're so connected toyou.
Like literally I would ground usand then I would pull up the
energies that I wanted to, likefrequencies, like from the earth
that I wanted to ground her in.
Um, and kind of like your, someof your listeners might know
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this, but it's like when, whenbabies come in, they're not
fully, completely like locked into this existence.
You know?
It's like they're halfway in,halfway out.
And I wanna say.
It's like at about three yearsold is when they kind of like
their spirit is 100% here.
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And at up seven years is whenthey get out of that, um, that
kind of hypnotic space whereliterally they're walking around
in a state of hypnosis.
So whatever you say and do andfeel, and they are absorbing all
of it.
Um.
Which, yeah.
Which was is like my hu mybiggest driving force was our
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impact as women, as mothers onthe next generation.
It's like, so, so, so important.
So anyways, I started pulling upall these frequencies and then I
would talk to her sometimestelepathically energetically,
sometimes out loud.
And I would just tell her, youknow, um, you're safe.
You're safe to be here on earth.
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You're safe to fall asleep andthen you're safe to come back.
That was a, I'm getting coveredin chills.
Hmm.
Um, that was a really big onewhere it was like, you're safe
to come back.
'cause that's what I couldintuitively feel is that she
would be off in dreamland andthen it was like to come back
into like this dense, heavyearth was really challenging for
her.
And so I started just doing likemy own kind of practice and free
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flowed with it.
And, um, I.
It worked and it totally worked,and she calmed down and stopped
having any sort of sleepingissue whatsoever.
That's so amazing.
One thing I'll say, when Hanisaid she's very psychic, she is,
she has Neptune, which is theplanet of spirituality.
It's actually, it ruleshypnosis.
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It's the planet that's likebetween the two worlds.
The spirit realm.
It's basically the spirit realm.
And she has Neptune with herson.
So when any, whenever someonehas Neptune with their son, her
son is very Neptune and she's aSagittarius, but she's like a
Piscean, Neptunian, Sagittariusand makes someone very connected
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to energy.
And then also say in terms ofyou being a cycle breaker, she
grows and expands just Jupiterin Scorpio in the 12th house,
which the 12th house is relatedto that psychic realm, um,
intuition.
And so I'm not even surprisedyou're able to like track all
these patterns and make ithappen.
It's probably one of the reasonsI love working with you so much
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because I feel like I can justgive you something.
And Hani runs with it.
Like she just makes it her own,you know, she's really good at
connecting all of the dots andthe patterns.
Um, okay.
I think that's so fricking cool,especially because in our work
together, Hani does self-conceptwork and I know she's really big
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into saying herself concept asshe goes to bed too.
Yeah.
Which kind of feels like itrelates in with this, but, um,
so what, I didn't even put thattogether actually until just
now.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
You like do it to yourself.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
So, um, how did the breath workcome in?
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I wanna know more about thatbreath work modality too, that
you touched on.
Okay.
So breath work was justsomething I utilized, um,
through my adulthood and throughhaving children and just, um,
keeping myself present andgrounded and being my best
version of myself.
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So that was, that's somethingthat I, um, I teach women and in
pregnancy of like really keepinga calm, grounded, nervous system
so that you, it's like womenhold the energy of the home.
And so if you are coming from aspace that is common grounded,
which is not always the case,and not, and sometimes a
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stretch, but for the most part,um, your family unit will
correspond.
They'll kind of just follow yourlead.
So that's always just been kindof.
There and then, um, I learned abreath work technique.
It's called conscious connectedbreath, and it's specific for
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trauma release.
And so I use that in thegenerational trauma piece.
So when we are looking at, sowith the generational trauma
work that I do, it's four corewounding patterns stemming from
the, your birth energy, what youpicked up in your mother's womb,
your um.
Mother wounds, which is allrelational dynamics.
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It's your first relationship,your father wound, which is more
related to your safety,security, your home environment,
your sibling wound, which iskind of like your birth order,
your birth, your dynamics withinyour home.
And that's related to maybemotivation, competition.
If you didn't have a sibling,then we're gonna look at like
your closest relationships inyour general age.
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So it could be a best friend ora cousin or a step sibling.
Um, so those are the four corewounding patterns that we
address.
And we go through a lot of, Imean, it's like kind of specific
coaching and questions andjournaling and really getting
under the layers of all the meatto the emotion.
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And it's usually patterns youdon't.
You don't realize are attachedto those wounds.
And then we go through traumarelease, breath work, which is
the conscious connectedbreathing and a lot of trust in
your body.
And for it to know what's inyour best good, you know?
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So that's it kind of like in anutshell.
And then a lot of, so thenpiggyback on that, then we'll do
a lot of, um, inner childhealing, which is really
beneficial when you're a parentbecause what happens is you can
use your children for real time,inner child healing, because
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often you respond to yourchildren from your inner child.
And if you can give what yourinner child wanted to your child
in real time, it's like.
Healing their lineage, right?
Like you're healing theirtrajectory, you're also healing
yourself.
And then previous, um,ancestors.
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So that's a really beautiful,like, just healing technique.
Yeah.
I've even seen you do that realtime, like in our work together,
through our conversations.
I know we've had like a lot ofconversations about that.
It's so wild how it shows up,but we can be like unconscious
to it.
But then I'm sure when you dothe breathing and the
journaling, it brings so much tothe forefront that you probably
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didn't see before.
Um, I love how you said you alsouse it to stay grounded.
So listen to this.
Hani has four kids, and I don'tknow any mom who has four kids.
Granted, I know one of them'son, on another island right now,
but still three kids.
I was like, even harder almostfor me and my Yeah, yeah,
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totally, totally.
But Hani has three kids and she,I, she lives her life.
Like I've never met a mom whohas three kids and she goes on
hikes or she does herself-concept work and she like
eats well, and she goes to thesauna and she goes to the gym
and you just don't have excuses.
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And I just, I have date days.
Yeah.
And you have date days like herand her husband.
I'm just like, I just want, youwould love for you to share with
everyone like how you're asuperwoman.
What, what do you do?
Thank you.
I will take, I will take that.
I will own it.
I superpower superwoman vibes.
Um, how do I do it?
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So, yeah, I, so, gosh, I don'teven know.
Sometimes it's challenging.
So we had our first two kidskind of back to back.
They were two years apart, andthat was really, really intense.
And I was like, okay, I don'twant any more kids.
And then as they got older, Iwas like, oh, I really wanna
have the third.
And then the fourth kind of camealong.
I think because there is such abig gap between oldest and
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youngest.
I mean, that could send somebodyin a spiral of it being harder,
right?
'cause I'm dealing with teenageemotions and 4-year-old
tantrums.
But it also, um, it's kind oflike you grow with your
children, but not everybody doesthat.
So I'm trying to think like, howdo I, I think I, I have spent a
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lot of my years, not currently,I.
Where I gave, gave, gave from myheart and because I wanted to,
because, um, I just, I love mykids and my family and it's, um,
they're so important to me.
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And I did come to a point whereI was like, okay, this is not
working.
And I didn't, and I was aware ofit where it's like, I didn't
want to be that person that'sresentful of my husband or my
children, or I guess I'm like,I'm a person.
I really own my shit and Ireally take responsibility for
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myself.
So if I see that something isn'tworking for me, I don't, I'm not
a victim.
And I'm just like, okay, wellwhat can I do?
Because there's always somethingyou can do.
If it's as little as just likeclosing your bedroom door and
taking a few breaths, you know?
Um, so.
I think that, so one of my swoman powers is like taking
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responsibility for myself and mylife and what I want.
Um, I would agree with that.
I know better.
Another one would be, um, justmy, like I mentioned before,
like my driving force is wantingmy children to, I know we all
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are gonna have our own strugglesand our, um, life lessons, but I
wanted to set them up with afoundation of, um, like without
all of the strings from pastlineage, ancestors, all of those
kinds of things.
And also, um, just likecommunication skills and
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openness and love and compassionso that they.
Are going onto the world withlike possibility and opportunity
versus like, life is so hard'cause you see mom pulling out
her hair over here and she neverhas time for herself and she's
constantly fighting with dad.
And you know, it's not thatthey've never seen any of that,
but it's like I was able to putI my vision of what I want for
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the next generation at theforefront.
And then take action by like, isthis in service to what my
greater vision is for myself andmy children?
I guess, I mean I'd have to likekind of think about that
question.
I think there's, there's more,but yeah, I'm sure it goes
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really deep.
Well, one thing I'll say aboutHani, just knowing her
astrology, she is here to be achange maker for the future.
She's here to show people thatthere's an easier way to do
things that there a completelydifferent way that no one's seen
before, way of doing things.
So I think, and I also think itspeaks to the fact that you're a
Sagittarian sun and rising, thatyou look at the bigger picture.
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She like holds this vision.
Sagittarius is ruled by Jupiter,the planet of like luck, growth
and expansion.
And the reason they have luckand growth is they see the
future vision.
And it's almost like you holdthat.
As like the guiding star, andthen they just move forward.
They just keep moving forward.
And so I feel like you justdescribed that energy so
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perfectly.
I'm sure there's a, someonelistening to you though, who's
like, okay, like I have lockedmyself in my bedroom, I've
locked myself in the bathroom.
And these like, like, like doyou have like a specific, I
don't know, a specific examplethat felt challenging that you
navigated that you could thinkof?
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Gosh, so much.
How about my last, like, uh, doyou, you mean like in actual
mothering?
Like Yeah, in mothering and likehandling everything.
Wow.
So I would say probably thebiggest like culmination of.
Intenseness has been the pasttwo years where, so I am from
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Laina, I live in Laina, and nowit's not in the news, but in
August, 2023, fires came throughin like completely decimated our
entire town in existence.
It was horrible.
It's in Maui, Hawaii, for thosewho don't know.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The Maui fires.
Yeah.
It was rough.
So in the course of these twoyears, and especially like
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immediately following, um, theamount of emotions for myself,
for my husband, for us, and foreach one of my children managing
it differently in all of thehouses that have mo we had to
move.
Gosh.
It's like, I think about it,it's like overwhelming, um, to
even think about it.
So I, I think again, I just heldmy vision of.
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What is important to me, andthat can look different for
everyone.
And for me it was, I want asecure, loving home and
environment for my children.
And how do I create that throughliteral trauma for all of'em,
right?
It's unbearing degrees.
You know, my littlest at thetime, my littlest was two,
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almost three.
So it's like she's kind of alongfor the ride, right?
But she would still say, I wannago back to my greenhouse.
I wanna go back to mygreenhouse.
Um, and then more dramatic wheremy teenagers are just completely
devastated.
And so I just, um, for myselfpersonally, I would take time to
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care for myself so that I couldshow up for my family to care
for them.
And I.
I just listened and loved themand didn't really ask much of
them.
Right?
Like just presence, I would say.
Um, so in real time, and this isa really severe situation,
right?
There's so many things thatunfolded over the course of the
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two years that it was like,okay, everything's okay.
Oh wait, I mean, it's not, andit's just like a constant, like
I was telling, I've told you somany times where I'm like, I'm
just so exhausted by the amountof energy that I have to put out
into the world.
And it's not necessarily becauseit's bad or it's like our family
has been very successful throughit.
I think because my husband and Iwere both on the same page of
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like our biggest, um, goal forour family or our biggest
priority is to keep us safe,secure.
In a loving space.
Um, so realtime practices?
Yeah.
Could be breath work ormeditation or walking or
exercise or talking to my coachor, um, going to the beach or
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whatever it is.
And with my children, I wouldsay it's just being there and
it's a lot easier to be thereand be present when you are
present with yourself first.
I love that you said that.
'cause here's the thing aboutHani is she doesn't bypass to
get to these states.
She like, self-reflect, takesresponsibility, feels the
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feeling, and that's how she getsinto presence.
I talk about truth a lot on mypodcast and she does not bypass
truth.
She like alchemizes it and holdsit.
However, when I first startedworking with you that it wasn't,
I wasn't against truth, but it,I was, I think.
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Um, well, coming in, coming intoworking with you kind of on the
tail end of all of this, uh,trauma.
Um, I don't think I was asconnected to my truth, even
though I was like, how would youexplain that?
Because it's like, I was stillme, but it was like not, it was
like a less content truth maybeI would say, or less peaceful
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truth maybe.
Yeah, maybe.
Well, I, I think you would knowhow it feels the most, but from
my experience with you and fromwords I've heard you say is you
feel a lot more grounded now.
And so it's like she's alwayshad this capacity to hold.
Mm-hmm.
I think a lot, it's just nowyou've really.
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Gained the self-awareness andtools to stay grounded while you
hold.
It's almost like, I don't know,like someone's digging a hole
and you dug way deeper and sonow you're like way more rooted
in like the roots really grew.
So maybe this is a goodtransition because I would love
to just hear how people like,like seriously she can take shit
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by the balls and like ground itin and transform it.
So why don't we tell people toohow you felt when you first
started working with me and likewhat was different in your life
about six months ago, likeliterally six months ago?
Yeah.
So I know, and I've said thismany times to you where it's
like I am totally the sameperson, but I feel completely
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different.
And I think I've probably hadlike, like multiple timeline
hops where I'm like, oh my gosh,this breakthrough has just like
taken me to the next level.
So I would say when I came.
When we first started workingtogether, I was much, I was much
more in my head for sure.
I was in my head and it waslike, how do I do more?
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Or like, if I wanted things outof life, it was like, what can I
do?
What can I do?
What can I do?
What can I do?
And while that, you know,there's some practical things
you need to do to move your lifeforward, what you and I really
worked on was connecting, likefeeling in my body versus my
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mind, because I'm a thinker andI go through all scenarios, like
all different ways and want theperfect scenario.
And so I really started payingattention to how things felt in
my body.
And I like kind of like stoppeddoing everything.
It was like less is more or lessis more or less is more.
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And kind of like just guided.
My decisions based on what itfelt like in my body, which I
had not been doing at all, whichseems like, you know, like very,
like, duh.
I mean, but I, I was not.
So that was one huge, hugething.
Um, and, and in doing so, Ithink one of my first self
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concepts was, um, I'm connectedto my truth and I follow what
gives me energy.
And I was like, how can that,like, that's like nothing.
Like, and it completelytransformed my life like that,
that one self concept.
And you know, we've done manymore since.
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Mm-hmm.
But that one was so impactfulfor me, and I'll go back to it
when I just feel a little shaky,like I'm connected to my truth.
I follow, it gives me energybecause in its most simple form,
anyone can use that self,self-concept and be guided.
In the perfect direction fortheir life.
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You know, like if we all, ifeveryone on this planet could
follow what gives them energy,it's like the world would be a
much better place.
You know, I think we get socaught up in what society and
other people and, you know, tellyou what life should look like
or what you should want or whatyou should be doing.
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And when you stop all of thatand you reflect inwards and you
pay attention to yourself andyour truth and what you value,
it's like life just opens up insuch a beautiful way.
And I think that's, for me, Iwas like, I wanna, yeah.
Like I, and that was actuallygoing back to how I kind of
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started getting into, or.
I wasn't getting into the workat the time, but when I was
pregnant with Noah, my first,everybody was telling me all of
these awful things aboutpregnancy and motherhood and
it's gonna be so hard and givingbirth, it's just the most awful
thing.
And I was like, what the fuck iswrong with everyone?
Like, why?
Like, maybe that's yourexperience, but why are you
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telling me that's gonna be myexperience?
And I was like, I'm gonna dowhat I wanna do.
And I had beautiful birthexperiences and um, wonderful
mothering journey.
And so I guess that's like, I.
I don't even know where I'mgoing with this.
Well, no, I think you're soright.
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That's the thing.
I actually just sent out anemail today on truth and how
people think that their truth islike some sort of truth, and
then they share it with people.
They're like, this is my truth,as if it's gonna be your truth.
And really they're not sharingtruth, they're just projecting a
story onto that person.
And what I heard from you islike, I think a lot of us suffer
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with this.
I suffered with this most of mylife, which was that there's so
much information out there andwe're taught from such an early
age.
Don't listen to yourself, justlisten to all these other
people.
And so then when you hear all ofthis stuff coming at you, coming
at you, it's super ungrounding.
Of course people are in theirhead like, of course you are in
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your head.
Of course I was in my head, youknow what I'm saying?
I remember when Hani decided towork with me.
Um, we talked about like if theenergy expands or contracts, and
she said, well, the energy feelsexpansive, so let's do it.
And like, since that point, Ialso wanna go back to the
self-concept work because Italked about how with
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self-concept work, you have togive it like 110% effort.
And I remember you said you werea little scared when I said
that.
I remember that Voxer message.
I was like, but how do I knowwhat 110% is?
Like, what do, what do I do?
Like how do I, can you tellpeople what your, like, how you
ingrained it and what it lookedlike, like 110% effort looked
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like for you?
Yeah, so I, what I would do is Iwould take like, and I was like
really serious about this 110%,but I was like, I wanted to
work.
Um, I would do, like if I were,say I was doing like a mask on
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my hair or something like that,you know, where you have like an
allotted amount of time whereit's like, oh, I have five
minutes that I have to havethis.
I would just like say my coself-concept.
So there was like time when Iwould do it, when I was in like
a time limit of something that Iwas, um, had a timer for and
that worked.
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And then I would do it.
I stopped bringing my, um, phoneand my ear earphones, headphones
on my white walks and my hikesbecause for a while I had been
like, well, I.
I think it would be good to bejust silent.
But, you know, I like to listento things and I like, I'm the
more and more and more I wantmore information and I get super
interested in things and I wannalisten to podcasts and audio
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books.
And at some point it's like,okay, enough.
Um, and so I've been feelinglike I want quiet.
Like that's a great time.
You're going for a hike for anhour.
Perfect.
And so this, when we starteddoing self-concept, that was
like the perfect kind of excuseor opportunity where I was like,
okay, I'm gonna leave my phone.
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And then the cool thing was isyou told me based on my chart,
that it was actually a reallylike moving and saying my, was
like, um, like a synergisticeffect.
So I would do, yeah, I would domy self concept like for an
entire hour.
Just saying it, saying it,saying it, saying it.
And, um, and would feel so good,like I could feel myself getting
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more and more and moreenergized.
And then I would also do it, um,in the sauna.
'cause that was another greattime where I'm just quiet and
laying there.
And then I started also doingit.
Um, I guess as I'm saying it,I'm like, I, it was a hundred.
I, um, would say it when I'mgoing to sleep.
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And this was the really coolthing, what I noticed happening.
And I remember sending you amessage about this where I would
be saying my self-concept as I'mfalling asleep and you're going
into that liminal space andthen, you know, you kind of wake
up throughout the night at somepoint, or like multiple times.
I'm a pretty light sleeper, Ithink because of so many years
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of just being on duty at 24hours a day.
But I would notice when I wouldwake up, I would, my head was
still saying the self-concept,so then I was like, holy shit,
this is like, I mean.
Talk about hypnosis to the, likerewiring your brain.
Like it's literally doing it forme while I'm sleeping, you know?
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And I thought that was kind offascinating.
It doesn't happen every singletime.
Um, but a lot of the time if Igo to sleep saying my
self-concept, it's kind of likeI wake the next time I wake up
and I'm right there with myself-concept still.
So that's kind of the majorityof the ways that I work with it
or the other thing I do, thiswas also really, really
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beneficial for me if we wereworking on something, um.
Say related to like emotions orlike I was having, um, things
come up in my marriage or withmy children or whatever it was
in real time, I would sit there,'cause one of my big self
concepts was I feelingresponsible for everyone else's
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emotions and having a hard timeif they didn't feel good.
And so being able to sit withbig emotions was challenging for
me.
And so one of my self conceptswas related to that.
So whenever I felt overwhelmedby emotions or an argument with
my husband or whatever it was, Iwould just immediately go into
my self concept and I could feelthat like tight contraction.
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I would always feel it in mygut.
It would completely subside.
So it's like I could notice theshift in my energy in real time.
Yeah.
That's one of my favorite thingsabout self-concept is it almost
helps you become aware of thoselike, uh, subconscious patterns
you do.
Like, I remember there were somany self-concepts you've done
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where then you're able to likecatch yourself in real time,
like talking to NAYA or talkingto your kids and being like,
well, my self concept, you honeywould like message me and tell
me about these stories and belike, well, my self-concept was
this, and then I noticed I didthat and so then I corrected it
and did this.
It almost like it gives you thatlaser focus.
Yes, yes.
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Yeah.
And, and I also think becausethey're like simple, and I don't
know if this is householdconcept is for everybody across
the board.
Mm-hmm.
But how it is for me, it's likewe come up, it can be this
really big thing like yourtruth, right?
Like that's huge.
Yeah.
But we can make it into thisvery simple one liner that it
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just like brings you back.
Brings you back to neutral andyou're like, oh yeah.
It's like a reminder, like, ohyeah, this is actually, or for
like, with the big emotions,like, oh yeah, like I am, I'm
totally safe to feel these bigemotions.
Like, I forgot that's what itwould be like.
Oh, I forgot.
Oh yeah, everything's fine.
I'm this person.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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And it, it, you know, it, itallowed me to make so many
choices or decisions in my life,like really big decisions,
especially because of what myfamily is coming out of.
Um, and, but make decisions thatcame from my truth, from feeling
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like grounded and yeah, what'sex, what feels good.
And it's like when you followwhat feels good, and I don't
mean that in just like, youknow, we're gonna go out and
party and just like, feel goodall the time.
Like, I, I mean more of, um,like the moving forward feeling
good, like.
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The next thing Or expansive.
Yeah, like choices.
Like healthy Yes.
Choices that I've had to makewith business growth.
It's like, does this, is this inalignment with my self concept,
with what feels good in my bodywith feeling expansive?
Like that version of yourselfthat's there, that it's like you
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just kind of need to tune into.
And so when you use yourself-concept like that, it's
like, and then what happens isyou kind of just naturally
become it, right?
It's like I'm not really doingthe self-concept of me being
connected with my truth anymore.
'cause it's like it, it alreadyI embodied in it, right?
Mm-hmm.
So it's like, it's cool to watchthe progression of everything.
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And also I have to say, to giveyou props, what has been the
best about the self-concept workis that you couple it with
what's going on in the stars.
So it's like if right now, likeright now, um.
What's being illuminated in mysky is boundaries with my
family.
So it makes a lot more sense tobe focusing on a self-concept
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related to that versus maybe afinancial, um, self-concept or
something like that, you know,or like an abundance
self-concept.
So that I think has actuallyreally helped me like make
quantum leaps because I'm using,I'm like harnessing all of the
energy, you know, not just like,this is what I want.
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It's like, well, what is thething that's being shown to me
right now that I can make, um,breakthroughs with?
Yeah, totally.
I would love to hear, so wetalked about self-concept and
how powerful that is and fuckYeah, it is.
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Hani just mentioned how we'reusing the astrology to help
guide herself concept.
We, we've done that from thevery beginning.
I had like a birth chart readingwith Hani and that's how we got
into one-on-one coaching.
'cause we saw like where theenergy was heading.
I'd love to hear like, what haveyou thought about your
experience with astrology?
How has astrology in other wayshelped you create these quantum
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leaps?
Like what is it about it?
So, it's so cool because I don'thave like the, um, the story
with astrology that I wouldthink probably a lot of your
listeners have, where it's liketheir thing.
Mm-hmm.
Um, I.
I've had many readings and I,nothing ever like stuck, nothing
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ever.
I was just kind of like, uh, andI, what I really did not like
was what, what, what turned meoff about astrology was people
saying, oh, you're aSagittarius.
Oh, they're a Gemini.
Oh, you're like this because ofthis.
You're like, and I was justlike, I am not in a box.
Like, don't put me in a box.
Like, it just bugged me.
And so I kind of discredited it,but it was'cause it wasn't the
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right people.
Right.
Um, and so I had listened to youon a podcast and there was
something, and you weren'tsaying anything that was.
So much.
You were talking about you, Ithink you used the word
evolutionary astrology.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Using the north node and southnode.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
And I was like, there wassomething, and I didn't have a
lot of information from thatpodcast to be like, oh, I'm
converted to astrology.
Like, but there was something,obviously it was, it was
definitely, um, divinely ledwhere I was like, I wanna get a
reading by her.
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And I hadn't had an astrologyreading in a really long time.
Um, and yeah, and everythingjust kind of like, it just, it
felt so good.
The way that you describe it anduse it in life is like nothing I
had ever experienced in theastrology realm.
So now I am like completelyfascinated.
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A total believer, but what'sfunny is I can't commit any of
it to memory, like none of itwhere I'm listening to you or
I'll read my lunar return andI'm like, wow.
But I couldn't tell you what anyof my planets and what any of
the houses or anything.
None of it.
I don't really know why.
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I just, I hear it, it makessense.
I'm like, sweet.
And then, um, and then it justkind of fades away, which is
great because that's why I haveyou.
So, yeah, so astrology has beengame changer for my life.
I feel like absolute gamechanger.
And the really cool thing aboutit was it was never a part of my
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life prior to this, and I wasactually a little bit turned
off.
So it's interesting how, um,like I didn't need to be coaxed
into it or anything.
It was just something about theway that I.
You brought it forward,resonated so deeply with me and
it gives me, um, like some ofit's like validation, right?
Where I'm like, okay, that makessense.
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Like when you talk about all thecycle breaker aspects of my
chart, and it's like, that hasbeen present for me since I was
a little kid.
It's like, okay, well that makessense.
Um, and then a lot of thingslike with business, right?
Where it's like I do thingsdifferent.
It's like I spent so much yearsin business coaching that none
of it felt right, but I wasdoing what I was quote unquote
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supposed to do and not listeningto my truth.
And so that's been huge.
And then within family dynamics,just like, yeah, just using all
of it.
To your advantage.
And um, and sometimes it'sreally hard, like it's not easy,
you know, like I'll be on Voxer,like, okay, another lesson,
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like, I gotta learn anotherlesson.
Like when are the stars justgonna chill?
But I, you know, like, I knowwhat's on the other side is
like, it's so beautiful, youknow?
And like when I have thosebreakthroughs, it's like, oh my
gosh, like I get it.
Like I am, yeah.
I'm not here to just live thissurface life and everything, be
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happy.
It's like my happiness and myjoy are like deeply, um, rooted
in my being and my experiencesand in my family.
Like I'm, there's so much so ofcourse I, my lessons and things
are gonna be more intense.
Totally.
I mean, this is one of thereasons I've loved working with
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Hani is'cause she's not afraidof truth.
She, yeah.
Sometimes she'll be like, ah,the fucking lessons.
And you know what, sometimes Isay that too.
I'm like, are you, gimme afucking break here.
You know?
Yeah.
Um, and we had this conversationthe other week talking about
that, about, and it's kind oflike, choose your heart.
You know, like Hani goes to thegym, she eats healthy.
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Like, just like me.
Like that's why I'm sayingthere's a lot of similarities
between us.
Yeah.
And it's the same thing withevolving and living life.
Like I was telling Hani, um.
The world is always gonna haveearthquakes and it's always
gonna have tsunamis and it'salways gonna have, like the
earth is gonna always keepmoving and we're part of the
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earth and so we're always gonnakeep moving and we can resist it
just like we don't have to go tothe gym and we can eat a bunch
of crap and feel like crap.
Or we can choose a differenthard And that's the hard, that
can transmute into somethingthat's so much better.
And also like it's, it can helpto me.
And I'm curious if you feel thisway too.
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Astrology helps you maybe loosenthe grip on the resistance of
the lesson a little bit.
Yeah.
And, and it also.
It, it's like, it can kind ofmake it seem not so overwhelming
where it's like you have all ofthese lessons.
It's like, let's just hone in onwhat is going on right now.
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And so what I mean is you couldhave this like big problem or
issue or conflict or whatever itis, but if we take aspects of
astrology of, and then you cankind of, um, you can take out
the threads that are attached towhat's going on in the sky and
focus on those things to kind ofalleviate it.
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Do you know what I mean?
It's, yeah.
So I guess that would belessening the tension.
It's like, um, rather than focuson all of it, it's like, let's
just, yeah, let's just do what'smost important here.
And then it seems to, I don'tknow.
It works for me, I'll tell youthat.
It does.
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It's been great.
That makes me so happy to hear.
I feel you.
Yeah.
It's when people say like juststop resisting it and surrender.
That's what I think we'retalking about here.
That was one of my selfconcepts.
Yeah.
I surrender.
I surrender to life.
Yes.
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Oh my God.
So I have one last question foryou.
I would love to hear how haslike connecting to your truth
and getting more in your body,following the astrology, like
surrendering to the life'slessons coming out the other
side impacted how you now motherand like what you do in your
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work?
Because I know it has in so manyways and it's what you're
helping people with.
Yeah, so I would say for like mymothering and like my family
life, it has just given me, I.
Much more peace, clarity,contentment.
Um, we are also gonna betraveling for the next seven
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months.
And so, which was also writtenin the stars, but I, we had
decided to do it before I knewthat.
Um, and so it has helped me,gosh, it's like, how do I put
this into words?
I think it's helped me like makechoices that are in alignment to
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what my highest vision of mylife is.
So that would be like personallyand mothering and just like
making me a better person kindof for my children, right?
It's like they don't, I'm notyou.
Well, sometimes I do ask youquestions about my kids'
astrology, but it's more of likean internal thing for me, so
that the way that I show up forthem is in my.
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Highest self, which then givesthem the opportunity to be their
highest version of themselves.
And then with business, it hasbeen really, really interesting
because it was kind of like allthe things I thought I should do
more and more, more how I shoulddo it, the speed at which I
should do it.
Um, I, it's kind of dissolvedall of that where I'm really,
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really focusing on building thekind of company I.
That I want and that works formy family and the life that I
wanna create for myself.
And that's been huge.
So I just, um, I've justcompleted all of my product
suites for pregnancy,postpartum, and womanhood.
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And it took longer than I was atanticipating.
'cause like I mentioned before,I'm always like more, I'm in my
head and it's like, let's go,let's go.
Like I'm pretty energetic and.
I like to get things done andI'm organized and yeah, let's
go.
And it's really taught me tojust kind of just slow the fuck
down, which feels so good in mysystem when I actually pay
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attention to that and startedworking with a company who's in
complete alignment to my values.
They actually, that was one ofour first meeting calls was
like, what do you want?
Versus this is what we do.
Um, so we've worked everythingour entire, we have entire plan
through 2025 for, to, um, buildand sustain my business the way
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that I want it to feel.
And I think that's so importantbecause then that parlays onto
all of my products and mycourses and my programs and my
interactions with clients.
Um, so that's been a reallybeautiful way to use astrology
and.
Really, it's like how, I mean, Iget at its core, that's like my
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paying attention to my truth,like being in my truth and doing
what I value.
Yeah.
I'll say, I think this is reallyimportant to mention that one of
the things that makes Hani sopowerful and has given her such
deep transformation, um, is thatwhenever Hani messages me and
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someone else is involved, it israrely like what she rarely is
like, fuck.
Like what do they have to do tochange?
She's always like, what do Ihave to do to shift?
Like she completely has takenher power back.
Actually, maybe we can talkabout that just for a, like a
couple more seconds because Ithink that's important.
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Uh, what, like in yourexperience, what is taking your
power back look like and how hasthat transformed your life?
Because you say it a lot, peoplesay it generally, but she
actually does it, and it's inevery conversation that we have.
So for me, taking my power back,I think is speaking my truth.
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And I mean it's, you know, thatcan be kind of nuanced, but in a
way where I, um, I think for solong I was so concerned about
making everyone happy.
Like, I have a very lovingheart, so I still am that
person.
I still, I still care verydeeply about people and their
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feelings.
However, I was doing that in away where I was putting my
feelings aside because like, I'mstrong and I.
I got it.
Like, I, I think I talked a lotabout that with you, right?
Where I'm like, well, I'm good.
Like this person's moreemotional, so that's fine.
And I've, it's like I've, I tookmy power back by having my own
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voice and expressing myself andexpressing my truth and
realizing that you can do thatin a way that is still kind and
compassionate and from yourheart, and sometimes it's gonna
be a little rocky, but you aredoing a service to the people
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you're communicating to that wayas well as to yourself, like
within your relational dynamics.
Um, do you want me to like, godeeper on that or you just had
so many examples of like, likewith your kids, for example,
where something happens and youwanna react, but instead you
like, hold your power and then amagical things happen.
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Mm-hmm.
So especially with my oldest,um, with my teenagers, but
specifically my oldest, my son,um, he, because of the fires, he
ended up finishing his senioryear in Oahu at a boarding
school, which has been reallylike, we're a super tight
family.
So that was like, been reallyhard, really, really hard.
And I worked a lot with my selfconcept with the astrology, with
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April, um, with Rachel about,um, like how holding my power to
empower him, right?
Because this is a huge thing inmothering is we think we know
best.
We have all, well, that wasactually one of my generational
patterns.
I wanted to break because itpissed me off with my mom so
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much where I was like, I don'twanna be like that.
But it can creep in really,really easily if you're not
paying attention.
'cause sometimes you do knowbest, but you want them to.
You want?
Gosh.
It's like they have to come tothose conclusions themselves.
Right?
So by me being in my power, Ihave allowed my children.
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And so my son specifically we'retalking about being in his power
by, um, a lot of havingconversations to get him to see
things, um, without me tellinghim things, right?
Like, how does this feel to you?
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How does this make you feel?
Versus like, it would be quickerfor me to just say you should do
X, Y, and Z.
Right?
But that's not the longevity ofthat for him.
It's not giving him any power inhis life.
And it also doesn't put me in mypower because I.
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I mean, then we can go into allthe boundaries and everything.
So I think with, with like beingin my power in mothering, it's
being completely open andallowing communication and
guiding them to realize theirown power in the choices they
make and the decisions that theymake throughout their day to day
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with, no matter how small or bigthey are, you know?
But as they come up, and I thinkthe more you do that, it just
builds on itself and builds onitself so that when he's out on
his own next year, it's like hehas the confidence in him
himself to make decisions andchoices that are in his own
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power.
Does that make sense?
Totally.
Yeah, it makes total sense.
I'll say one of the things I'veobserved about Hani, like when
speaking to like her gettingmore in her body and getting
grounded is, you know how a lotof people say to respond, not
react.
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That's one way I really see youhold your power is she's gotten
really good at getting these,like something comes in that
anyone would wanna react to andshe doesn't.
She like holds it.
She calms herself and then she'sable to approach the situation
from a place that can actuallygain resolution.
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Because I do, I feel it in mybody and the more and more
connected I am inwards whenthings happen, whether it's with
children or um, work or friendsor whatever it is, it's like.
Like, that's how I describe it,like this entire clench.
And instead of going with thatand LA and then it just being
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this huge like compoundingeffect, it's like, okay, I feel
it doesn't feel good, and thenworking through it from there.
But I think acknowledging thenot feeling good and, and so
then with my children also, I dothat, right?
Like, if it doesn't feel good,like let them feel that too,
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because they're even, you know,they're kids are less, they have
less noise.
Than we do at, at this age,right?
So it's like, if, if I can getthem to build those habits at
such a young age, it's likethey're, they're gonna be so far
ahead, right?
It's like they're gonna be goingoff into their adulthood already
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connected to their body andknowing what feels good and what
doesn't.
So it's kind of like all thethings that I do and learn and
go through, um, for my own good.
I then not only parlay it ontomy kids in the sense that it's
just the energy in my home.
It's like I'm actually guidingthem through these same lessons.
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You know, like I'm having aconversation with you about
being in my power and I amliterally doing that in real
time.
So it's like, almost likehealing my, going back to the
inner child healing, right?
Like I am healing my innerchild, of being in my power
through my son that I'm givingthat to, and giving him the
opportunity to be in his power.
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And so, and even down to thelittlest one, you know, it's
like, yeah.
Taking, taking all of thesebreakthroughs that I have
personally and actually livingthem with my children.
And not that I'm telling'em Ihave this great breakthrough,
right, but it's like theembodiment of the breakthrough
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or whatever it is that I'velearned or that I've gone to the
depths of my soul about.
Then I can come back into theserelationships with my children
and share that in a, insomething that they're going
through, right?
Like the 4-year-old version ofit, or the 8-year-old version of
it, or the 15-year-old versionover the 17-year-old version of
it.
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And so that I think is like oneof the most beautiful things
that I do.
So coming full circle to whatmakes me a super woman, a
supermom, that's it.
I think I just figured it outthere, there, it's because one
thing, one more thing I wannaname is that, like, people like
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your power in this life.
And I see it so much in Hani,I've seen it in my life, but now
that I've seen it through Hanidoing it too, I'm like, this is
really people's power.
Your power is, is that what you,how the state you choose to be
in and what you ch and everytime you choose to take
responsibility in anyrelationship for what's going on
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between you two and like learnyour own lesson, it naturally
helps untie the knot for theother person somehow.
Mm-hmm.
And like so many different waysthat we probably can't name
right now.
Mm-hmm.
Um, and Hani is just such agreat example of it.
Like, it just, uh, you'remagical, everyone's haney's
magical.
Everyone is magical.
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And people's magical power isthat you don't need to control
someone in order for, for thesituation to be resolved.
Yes, I had self-concepts aroundcontrol too.
Yeah.
And I mean, and my kids are socool, ev, you know, and of
course all mothers are justlike, we, the sun rises and sets
(01:01:00):
on our children.
But I see like, I mean, thelevel of maturity that, I mean,
my son is still a 17-year-oldboy, but just, um, the way that
my children relate to the worldand to adults and to friends and
(01:01:20):
within the community and, um, insports and aca, just everything.
They're really, reallyincredible children.
And I think that all kids havethat opportunity if they are
coming.
Like they're learning in thattype of environment.
And like that's, that is my wishfor the world is to create.
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Home environments that feelreally, really good for you, and
then for the next generation,it's so important and that
starts in the womb.
That's why I started withpregnancy.
Yeah, like I said, Hani is hereto be a change maker, to move
humanity forward.
And I imagine,'cause you'reNorth Nodes in cancer is to show
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families like a new way to breakthe generational trauma.
There's a new way of having afamily.
We didn't even get into thefact, like her and her husband,
they've been doing some otherwork on the side, but they've, I
know it's been very, uh, similarconversations there.
It works on every level.
Like it works with everyone.
It's not even just with yourchildren.
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So, NIE, thank you so much forcoming on.
I just like think you're thecoolest and I know so many
people are gonna be so inspiredto hear what's happened like
throughout your journey theselast six months.
Well, actually one more thing,like how do you feel differently
in your body?
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I feel more at peace like that.
Um, like the happiness is like.
It's not a surface happiness,right?
It's like a deeply embodied inme.
Like I just, I feel good, butit's not this overwhelming,
extra emotion.
It's just kind of like a verypeaceful, joyful, in aligned
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feeling.
That's the power of doingeverything Hani just talked
about.
So Hani, where can people findyou to learn from you?
Um, so everything is Breath ofHani and my name is spelled HANI
and my website is Breath ofHanni.
I just started, this wasdefinitely, um, led by what
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feels good to me.
I just, um, opened up a freecommunity called Breathe and
Thrive.
So that would be a great placeto land.
Um, they'll, there's monthlytopics there.
And we have live monthly breathwork.
We have one day a month of liveq and a.
There's different resources,breath work, meditations, and
(01:03:59):
that's gonna kind of, that'slike organic and evolving.
I just opened the doors a fewweeks ago and we just had our
first live breath work session.
But that's a great place to landbecause you can kind of see the
types of conversations that I'mhaving, what's kind of
prevalent, what's going on,because I like to teach as I go
through things.
And then also live breath workis always just the most amazing
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thing.
Um, and then I have, so I have acouple different pregnancy
products.
One is birthing with ease, oneis called exhale.
And this is all about reallysupporting mom and her energy
and her relationships and herwhat she wants for her birth
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experience.
And then for my postpartum, Ifelt like that was a really big,
kind of like empty space forpeople.
There wasn't a lot of resourcesthere.
I had great postpartumexperiences.
I was very supported.
That's also in my chart.
I like to be supported.
I thrive on support.
(01:05:07):
So, um, as much as I had like myfriends in my community, I also
outsourced support and I thinkthat's really important for you
and your self care.
So there's, um, there's twoprograms there and for womanhood
we're focusing on generationaltrauma healing.
I have one specific to yourmother wound called relationship
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restoration.
So if you're noticing patterncycles and dynamics that
continually happen in most allof your relationships or your
most important intimaterelationships, you can begin
with the mother wounds.
And then elevate, which is allencompassing, like I was talking
about, all the four major corewounds, inner child healing,
creating structure.
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I've also added someself-concept in there because
it's amazing and I've had suchhuge results with that.
And I do wanna, I am doing aworkshop, sorry, this is
information overload, but I'mdoing a workshop at the end of
May.
Um, solely focusing onself-concept and how that's the
missing link to manifestation.
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So that should be really fun.
And it's exciting for me becauseit's like I have put 110% in for
the past half year and it's likeI am a real living example of
how the work actually works.
So, and then Instagram,everything is Breath of Hani, so
Breath of Hani online on mywebsite, breath of Hani
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Instagram.
And I did just start a um,birthing with Ease Instagram
page as well.
If you are pregnant or want tobe pregnant, that's a great
place to begin.
Perfect.
Thank you so much.
So I'll put all of those linksin the show notes below so you
can easily find her.
Thanks Hani, for coming on nowwe have our sessions, so we're
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gonna take, I'll have a littlesnack.
Yeah.
Okay.
Thank you so much.
Okay.
So I'm really excited because Ihave my client and just, I feel
like you're my friend at thispoint.
Um, Hani Zerman on today.
I've loved working with Hani.
Honestly, like I've cried a lotof days because I feel like Hani
and me are so similar.
And through working with her, Ijust was like, wow, people like
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me do exist.
People who are not afraid to gointo the shadow and not afraid
to like, go deep and reallytransmute shit.
Like it takes a lot to do whatI've seen Hani do over these
last six months.
Like it's insane to me whatshe's done.
Um, and it's brought so much joyand like.
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Positivity to my life.
So I'm just really excited tohave her on because she also
helps mothers and women throughlike every stage of womanhood.
So we're gonna talk about that.
She helps mothers go andtransition into pregnancy.
Um, and then mothering.
And then all stages ofwomanhood.
And I can say like I can vouchfor Hani, she is like divine
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medicine woman, just so good atwhat she does.
And I want people to see what'spossible in like such a short
period of time.
Because a lot of the transitionsand transformations I've seen
Hani over go undergo in the lastsix months would take most
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people several years.
And so I'm just excited for youto hear how she thinks and all
those different things.
So Hani, thank you so much forbeing here.
Thank you.
Like tearing up listening.
Literally, I don't even thinkI've told you how many times
I've cried over my gratitude inprivate.
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Um, so I would just love to hearyour origin story and where you
came from and how you even gotinto wanting to help women with
motherhood.
She does her, uh, business iscalled Breath of Hani, so she
does breath work and differentthings like that, but I don't
think I've ever heard like howyou got into all of this.
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Yeah.
Um, okay.
Well how far back do I wanna go?
Um, so real quickly, I, um, soI'm a mother and I have four
children and their ages arefrom, uh, my oldest is almost 18
to my youngest is four.
So I've been having children forquite some years.
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And, um.
I, so the work that I do is withpregnancy, postpartum, and in
womanhood, and it's utilizing,um, breath work techniques and
clearing generational traumacycles.
And that just kind of naturallyevolved because as a very young
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person growing up, I was likehyper aware of things that were
happening within my familydynamics, um, with my parents,
like in our immediate family.
And then extending to likeextended family and grandparents
and aunties and how, um,everyone treated each other and
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just, yeah, family patterns thatI did not like.
And you know, I was young so Ididn't really understand.
You just kind of accept thingsas face value.
So when I began my family.
I think I was 25 when I hadNoah, my oldest.
And it was kind of at that pointwhere things clicked in where I
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was like, okay, I'm gonna dothis differently.
Um, and still not really awareof how or what was happening,
but I made a conscious effortto, um, break these cycles.
Like it was almost like innatein me.
And then later on as the yearsprogressed, I found a modality
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that dealt, that I got trainedin that was specifically to
generational trauma and clearingsubconscious patterns and cycles
within the family unit that goway back.
And so that's kind of how I gotinto that aspect.
And then as the years went on, Ium, got certified in breath work
and I used this specifictechnique to do the trauma
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clearing.
And gosh, there's like so manydetails I could go into.
I'm trying to make it concise,but what really kind of set
things off was in um, 2020, Ihad my fourth baby, little Miss
Mila and I was not planning onhaving her.
And I'm very much as Rachelknows, I like plans.
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She's got a Capricorn moon in aVirgo Midheaven.
Yeah.
It's written in my stars.
Um, and so Mila was not a partof my plan and she, it was
almost like she activatedsomething inside of me where I
was going on a differenttrajectory.
And it was like she came in andwas like, no mom, this is like,
not, we're gonna do somethingelse.
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And she would have like, shewould kind of get stuck in this,
um.
I don't think I did ever sh Ididn't share this with you.
No, this is really cool.
So she would get stuck almost inthis, um, like in the astro
plane where she would besleeping and I could feel that
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she was waking up, but shewouldn't all the way wake up and
she would get freaked out andthere was nothing I could do to
soothe her, which was so unlikeall of my other children.
As soon as I put them in my armsor, you know, start nursing
them, it's like they're good togo.
Like she, she couldn't, yeah.
So it was, it was thisinteresting thing that was
happening that I had never dealtwith, with my three previous
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babies.
Um, and so I started doing thesedifferent types of meditations
with her and like working withher energy in the quantum field.
And I had always been reallyinterested in those things and
like metaphysics and, you know,you kind of like dive in more
sometimes.
And then I just got busy withlife and.
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With Mila.
I didn't know how else to, um, Idon't wanna say like handle or
manage it, but it was likesomething was going on that it's
like I, I was in tune with it.
Um, and I wanted to help her.
So I started kind of working onher energetic field and my
energetic field and like ourconnection and, um, and I don't
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know if I wanna say solve theproblem, the issue, but there
was a few different things thatI started doing with her that I
was like, I can help moms, I canhelp moms do this.
And this is how it, itoriginally started where I was
like, okay, I want to, um,develop some different ways.
I, I wasn't sure at that time,so this was, I don't know, maybe
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two or three years ago of how Iwas going to maybe package it or
coach women or what I was gonnado.
And so slowly as I just got moreand more, um.
I dove deeper and deeper intoall of these.
Like got my coachingcertification, um, did some
intuition work, did more breathwork training, more generational
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trauma healing, and I just, um,I just kept diving deeper and
deeper in, and then breath of haevolved from there.
So, yeah.
Are there any specific questionsin that?
I mean, there's so much that Icould go into.
Yeah.
I never heard that story before.
That's so cool that you didthat.
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So I would love to know aboutlike, the breath work piece,
like, and how you, how did youwork on her energy field and
your energy field specifically?
So at the time when I starteddoing it, it was like purely on
like intuition and um, just kindof being psychic, I guess, you
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know.
So I would be holding her.
So what I started doingactually, is I started working
on her energy field and ourconnection before she went to
bed.
So as she was in that liminalspace, it was almost maybe kind
of like hypnotherapy, a littlebit like a baby version, you
know?
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And so I would hold her and Iwould like ground both of us.
I mean, they're so connected toyou.
Like literally I would ground usand then I would pull up the
energies that I wanted to, likefrequencies, like from the earth
that I wanted to ground her in.
Um, and kind of like your, someof your listeners might know
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this, but it's like when, whenbabies come in, they're not
fully, completely like locked into this existence.
You know?
It's like they're halfway in,halfway out.
And I wanna say.
It's like at about three yearsold is when they kind of like
their spirit is 100% here.
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And at up seven years is whenthey get out of that, um, that
kind of hypnotic space whereliterally they're walking around
in a state of hypnosis.
So whatever you say and do andfeel, and they are absorbing all
of it.
Um.
Which, yeah.
Which was is like my hu mybiggest driving force was our
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impact as women, as mothers onthe next generation.
It's like, so, so, so important.
So anyways, I started pulling upall these frequencies and then I
would talk to her sometimestelepathically energetically,
sometimes out loud.
And I would just tell her, youknow, um, you're safe.
You're safe to be here on earth.
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You're safe to fall asleep andthen you're safe to come back.
That was a, I'm getting coveredin chills.
Hmm.
Um, that was a really big onewhere it was like, you're safe
to come back.
'cause that's what I couldintuitively feel is that she
would be off in dreamland andthen it was like to come back
into like this dense, heavyearth was really challenging for
her.
And so I started just doing likemy own kind of practice and free
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flowed with it.
And, um, I.
It worked and it totally worked,and she calmed down and stopped
having any sort of sleepingissue whatsoever.
That's so amazing.
One thing I'll say, when Hanisaid she's very psychic, she is,
she has Neptune, which is theplanet of spirituality.
It's actually, it ruleshypnosis.
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It's the planet that's likebetween the two worlds.
The spirit realm.
It's basically the spirit realm.
And she has Neptune with herson.
So when any, whenever someonehas Neptune with their son, her
son is very Neptune and she's aSagittarius, but she's like a
Piscean, Neptunian, Sagittariusand makes someone very connected
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to energy.
And then also say in terms ofyou being a cycle breaker, she
grows and expands just Jupiterin Scorpio in the 12th house,
which the 12th house is relatedto that psychic realm, um,
intuition.
And so I'm not even surprisedyou're able to like track all
these patterns and make ithappen.
It's probably one of the reasonsI love working with you so much
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because I feel like I can justgive you something.
And Hani runs with it.
Like she just makes it her own,you know, she's really good at
connecting all of the dots andthe patterns.
Um, okay.
I think that's so fricking cool,especially because in our work
together, Hani does self-conceptwork and I know she's really big
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into saying herself concept asshe goes to bed too.
Yeah.
Which kind of feels like itrelates in with this, but, um,
so what, I didn't even put thattogether actually until just
now.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
You like do it to yourself.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
So, um, how did the breath workcome in?
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I wanna know more about thatbreath work modality too, that
you touched on.
Okay.
So breath work was justsomething I utilized, um,
through my adulthood and throughhaving children and just, um,
keeping myself present andgrounded and being my best
version of myself.
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So that was, that's somethingthat I, um, I teach women and in
pregnancy of like really keepinga calm, grounded, nervous system
so that you, it's like womenhold the energy of the home.
And so if you are coming from aspace that is common grounded,
which is not always the case,and not, and sometimes a
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stretch, but for the most part,um, your family unit will
correspond.
They'll kind of just follow yourlead.
So that's always just been kindof.
There and then, um, I learned abreath work technique.
It's called conscious connectedbreath, and it's specific for
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trauma release.
And so I use that in thegenerational trauma piece.
So when we are looking at, sowith the generational trauma
work that I do, it's four corewounding patterns stemming from
the, your birth energy, what youpicked up in your mother's womb,
your um.
Mother wounds, which is allrelational dynamics.
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It's your first relationship,your father wound, which is more
related to your safety,security, your home environment,
your sibling wound, which iskind of like your birth order,
your birth, your dynamics withinyour home.
And that's related to maybemotivation, competition.
If you didn't have a sibling,then we're gonna look at like
your closest relationships inyour general age.
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So it could be a best friend ora cousin or a step sibling.
Um, so those are the four corewounding patterns that we
address.
And we go through a lot of, Imean, it's like kind of specific
coaching and questions andjournaling and really getting
under the layers of all the meatto the emotion.
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And it's usually patterns youdon't.
You don't realize are attachedto those wounds.
And then we go through traumarelease, breath work, which is
the conscious connectedbreathing and a lot of trust in
your body.
And for it to know what's inyour best good, you know?
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So that's it kind of like in anutshell.
And then a lot of, so thenpiggyback on that, then we'll do
a lot of, um, inner childhealing, which is really
beneficial when you're a parentbecause what happens is you can
use your children for real time,inner child healing, because
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often you respond to yourchildren from your inner child.
And if you can give what yourinner child wanted to your child
in real time, it's like.
Healing their lineage, right?
Like you're healing theirtrajectory, you're also healing
yourself.
And then previous, um,ancestors.
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So that's a really beautiful,like, just healing technique.
Yeah.
I've even seen you do that realtime, like in our work together,
through our conversations.
I know we've had like a lot ofconversations about that.
It's so wild how it shows up,but we can be like unconscious
to it.
But then I'm sure when you dothe breathing and the
journaling, it brings so much tothe forefront that you probably
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didn't see before.
Um, I love how you said you alsouse it to stay grounded.
So listen to this.
Hani has four kids, and I don'tknow any mom who has four kids.
Granted, I know one of them'son, on another island right now,
but still three kids.
I was like, even harder almostfor me and my Yeah, yeah,
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totally, totally.
But Hani has three kids and she,I, she lives her life.
Like I've never met a mom whohas three kids and she goes on
hikes or she does herself-concept work and she like
eats well, and she goes to thesauna and she goes to the gym
and you just don't have excuses.
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And I just, I have date days.
Yeah.
And you have date days like herand her husband.
I'm just like, I just want, youwould love for you to share with
everyone like how you're asuperwoman.
What, what do you do?
Thank you.
I will take, I will take that.
I will own it.
I superpower superwoman vibes.
Um, how do I do it?
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So, yeah, I, so, gosh, I don'teven know.
Sometimes it's challenging.
So we had our first two kidskind of back to back.
They were two years apart, andthat was really, really intense.
And I was like, okay, I don'twant any more kids.
And then as they got older, Iwas like, oh, I really wanna
have the third.
And then the fourth kind of camealong.
I think because there is such abig gap between oldest and
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youngest.
I mean, that could send somebodyin a spiral of it being harder,
right?
'cause I'm dealing with teenageemotions and 4-year-old
tantrums.
But it also, um, it's kind oflike you grow with your
children, but not everybody doesthat.
So I'm trying to think like, howdo I, I think I, I have spent a
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lot of my years, not currently,I.
Where I gave, gave, gave from myheart and because I wanted to,
because, um, I just, I love mykids and my family and it's, um,
they're so important to me.
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And I did come to a point whereI was like, okay, this is not
working.
And I didn't, and I was aware ofit where it's like, I didn't
want to be that person that'sresentful of my husband or my
children, or I guess I'm like,I'm a person.
I really own my shit and Ireally take responsibility for
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myself.
So if I see that something isn'tworking for me, I don't, I'm not
a victim.
And I'm just like, okay, wellwhat can I do?
Because there's always somethingyou can do.
If it's as little as just likeclosing your bedroom door and
taking a few breaths, you know?
Um, so.
I think that, so one of my swoman powers is like taking
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responsibility for myself and mylife and what I want.
Um, I would agree with that.
I know better.
Another one would be, um, justmy, like I mentioned before,
like my driving force is wantingmy children to, I know we all
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are gonna have our own strugglesand our, um, life lessons, but I
wanted to set them up with afoundation of, um, like without
all of the strings from pastlineage, ancestors, all of those
kinds of things.
And also, um, just likecommunication skills and
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openness and love and compassionso that they.
Are going onto the world withlike possibility and opportunity
versus like, life is so hard'cause you see mom pulling out
her hair over here and she neverhas time for herself and she's
constantly fighting with dad.
And you know, it's not thatthey've never seen any of that,
but it's like I was able to putI my vision of what I want for
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the next generation at theforefront.
And then take action by like, isthis in service to what my
greater vision is for myself andmy children?
I guess, I mean I'd have to likekind of think about that
question.
I think there's, there's more,but yeah, I'm sure it goes
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really deep.
Well, one thing I'll say aboutHani, just knowing her
astrology, she is here to be achange maker for the future.
She's here to show people thatthere's an easier way to do
things that there a completelydifferent way that no one's seen
before, way of doing things.
So I think, and I also think itspeaks to the fact that you're a
Sagittarian sun and rising, thatyou look at the bigger picture.
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She like holds this vision.
Sagittarius is ruled by Jupiter,the planet of like luck, growth
and expansion.
And the reason they have luckand growth is they see the
future vision.
And it's almost like you holdthat.
As like the guiding star, andthen they just move forward.
They just keep moving forward.
And so I feel like you justdescribed that energy so
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perfectly.
I'm sure there's a, someonelistening to you though, who's
like, okay, like I have lockedmyself in my bedroom, I've
locked myself in the bathroom.
And these like, like, like doyou have like a specific, I
don't know, a specific examplethat felt challenging that you
navigated that you could thinkof?
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Gosh, so much.
How about my last, like, uh, doyou, you mean like in actual
mothering?
Like Yeah, in mothering and likehandling everything.
Wow.
So I would say probably thebiggest like culmination of.
Intenseness has been the pasttwo years where, so I am from
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Laina, I live in Laina, and nowit's not in the news, but in
August, 2023, fires came throughin like completely decimated our
entire town in existence.
It was horrible.
It's in Maui, Hawaii, for thosewho don't know.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The Maui fires.
Yeah.
It was rough.
So in the course of these twoyears, and especially like
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immediately following, um, theamount of emotions for myself,
for my husband, for us, and foreach one of my children managing
it differently in all of thehouses that have mo we had to
move.
Gosh.
It's like, I think about it,it's like overwhelming, um, to
even think about it.
So I, I think again, I just heldmy vision of.
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What is important to me, andthat can look different for
everyone.
And for me it was, I want asecure, loving home and
environment for my children.
And how do I create that throughliteral trauma for all of'em,
right?
It's unbearing degrees.
You know, my littlest at thetime, my littlest was two,
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almost three.
So it's like she's kind of alongfor the ride, right?
But she would still say, I wannago back to my greenhouse.
I wanna go back to mygreenhouse.
Um, and then more dramatic wheremy teenagers are just completely
devastated.
And so I just, um, for myselfpersonally, I would take time to
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care for myself so that I couldshow up for my family to care
for them.
And I.
I just listened and loved themand didn't really ask much of
them.
Right?
Like just presence, I would say.
Um, so in real time, and this isa really severe situation,
right?
There's so many things thatunfolded over the course of the
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two years that it was like,okay, everything's okay.
Oh wait, I mean, it's not, andit's just like a constant, like
I was telling, I've told you somany times where I'm like, I'm
just so exhausted by the amountof energy that I have to put out
into the world.
And it's not necessarily becauseit's bad or it's like our family
has been very successful throughit.
I think because my husband and Iwere both on the same page of
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like our biggest, um, goal forour family or our biggest
priority is to keep us safe,secure.
In a loving space.
Um, so realtime practices?
Yeah.
Could be breath work ormeditation or walking or
exercise or talking to my coachor, um, going to the beach or
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whatever it is.
And with my children, I wouldsay it's just being there and
it's a lot easier to be thereand be present when you are
present with yourself first.
I love that you said that.
'cause here's the thing aboutHani is she doesn't bypass to
get to these states.
She like, self-reflect, takesresponsibility, feels the
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feeling, and that's how she getsinto presence.
I talk about truth a lot on mypodcast and she does not bypass
truth.
She like alchemizes it and holdsit.
However, when I first startedworking with you that it wasn't,
I wasn't against truth, but it,I was, I think.
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Um, well, coming in, coming intoworking with you kind of on the
tail end of all of this, uh,trauma.
Um, I don't think I was asconnected to my truth, even
though I was like, how would youexplain that?
Because it's like, I was stillme, but it was like not, it was
like a less content truth maybeI would say, or less peaceful
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truth maybe.
Yeah, maybe.
Well, I, I think you would knowhow it feels the most, but from
my experience with you and fromwords I've heard you say is you
feel a lot more grounded now.
And so it's like she's alwayshad this capacity to hold.
Mm-hmm.
I think a lot, it's just nowyou've really.
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Gained the self-awareness andtools to stay grounded while you
hold.
It's almost like, I don't know,like someone's digging a hole
and you dug way deeper and sonow you're like way more rooted
in like the roots really grew.
So maybe this is a goodtransition because I would love
to just hear how people like,like seriously she can take shit
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by the balls and like ground itin and transform it.
So why don't we tell people toohow you felt when you first
started working with me and likewhat was different in your life
about six months ago, likeliterally six months ago?
Yeah.
So I know, and I've said thismany times to you where it's
like I am totally the sameperson, but I feel completely
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different.
And I think I've probably hadlike, like multiple timeline
hops where I'm like, oh my gosh,this breakthrough has just like
taken me to the next level.
So I would say when I came.
When we first started workingtogether, I was much, I was much
more in my head for sure.
I was in my head and it waslike, how do I do more?
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Or like, if I wanted things outof life, it was like, what can I
do?
What can I do?
What can I do?
What can I do?
And while that, you know,there's some practical things
you need to do to move your lifeforward, what you and I really
worked on was connecting, likefeeling in my body versus my
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mind, because I'm a thinker andI go through all scenarios, like
all different ways and want theperfect scenario.
And so I really started payingattention to how things felt in
my body.
And I like kind of like stoppeddoing everything.
It was like less is more or lessis more or less is more.
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And kind of like just guided.
My decisions based on what itfelt like in my body, which I
had not been doing at all, whichseems like, you know, like very,
like, duh.
I mean, but I, I was not.
So that was one huge, hugething.
Um, and, and in doing so, Ithink one of my first self
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concepts was, um, I'm connectedto my truth and I follow what
gives me energy.
And I was like, how can that,like, that's like nothing.
Like, and it completelytransformed my life like that,
that one self concept.
And you know, we've done manymore since.
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Mm-hmm.
But that one was so impactfulfor me, and I'll go back to it
when I just feel a little shaky,like I'm connected to my truth.
I follow, it gives me energybecause in its most simple form,
anyone can use that self,self-concept and be guided.
In the perfect direction fortheir life.
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You know, like if we all, ifeveryone on this planet could
follow what gives them energy,it's like the world would be a
much better place.
You know, I think we get socaught up in what society and
other people and, you know, tellyou what life should look like
or what you should want or whatyou should be doing.
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And when you stop all of thatand you reflect inwards and you
pay attention to yourself andyour truth and what you value,
it's like life just opens up insuch a beautiful way.
And I think that's, for me, Iwas like, I wanna, yeah.
Like I, and that was actuallygoing back to how I kind of
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started getting into, or.
I wasn't getting into the workat the time, but when I was
pregnant with Noah, my first,everybody was telling me all of
these awful things aboutpregnancy and motherhood and
it's gonna be so hard and givingbirth, it's just the most awful
thing.
And I was like, what the fuck iswrong with everyone?
Like, why?
Like, maybe that's yourexperience, but why are you
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telling me that's gonna be myexperience?
And I was like, I'm gonna dowhat I wanna do.
And I had beautiful birthexperiences and um, wonderful
mothering journey.
And so I guess that's like, I.
I don't even know where I'mgoing with this.
Well, no, I think you're soright.
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That's the thing.
I actually just sent out anemail today on truth and how
people think that their truth islike some sort of truth, and
then they share it with people.
They're like, this is my truth,as if it's gonna be your truth.
And really they're not sharingtruth, they're just projecting a
story onto that person.
And what I heard from you islike, I think a lot of us suffer
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with this.
I suffered with this most of mylife, which was that there's so
much information out there andwe're taught from such an early
age.
Don't listen to yourself, justlisten to all these other
people.
And so then when you hear all ofthis stuff coming at you, coming
at you, it's super ungrounding.
Of course people are in theirhead like, of course you are in
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your head.
Of course I was in my head, youknow what I'm saying?
I remember when Hani decided towork with me.
Um, we talked about like if theenergy expands or contracts, and
she said, well, the energy feelsexpansive, so let's do it.
And like, since that point, Ialso wanna go back to the
self-concept work because Italked about how with
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self-concept work, you have togive it like 110% effort.
And I remember you said you werea little scared when I said
that.
I remember that Voxer message.
I was like, but how do I knowwhat 110% is?
Like, what do, what do I do?
Like how do I, can you tellpeople what your, like, how you
ingrained it and what it lookedlike, like 110% effort looked
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like for you?
Yeah, so I, what I would do is Iwould take like, and I was like
really serious about this 110%,but I was like, I wanted to
work.
Um, I would do, like if I were,say I was doing like a mask on
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my hair or something like that,you know, where you have like an
allotted amount of time whereit's like, oh, I have five
minutes that I have to havethis.
I would just like say my coself-concept.
So there was like time when Iwould do it, when I was in like
a time limit of something that Iwas, um, had a timer for and
that worked.
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And then I would do it.
I stopped bringing my, um, phoneand my ear earphones, headphones
on my white walks and my hikesbecause for a while I had been
like, well, I.
I think it would be good to bejust silent.
But, you know, I like to listento things and I like, I'm the
more and more and more I wantmore information and I get super
interested in things and I wannalisten to podcasts and audio
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books.
And at some point it's like,okay, enough.
Um, and so I've been feelinglike I want quiet.
Like that's a great time.
You're going for a hike for anhour.
Perfect.
And so this, when we starteddoing self-concept, that was
like the perfect kind of excuseor opportunity where I was like,
okay, I'm gonna leave my phone.
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And then the cool thing was isyou told me based on my chart,
that it was actually a reallylike moving and saying my, was
like, um, like a synergisticeffect.
So I would do, yeah, I would domy self concept like for an
entire hour.
Just saying it, saying it,saying it, saying it.
And, um, and would feel so good,like I could feel myself getting
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more and more and moreenergized.
And then I would also do it, um,in the sauna.
'cause that was another greattime where I'm just quiet and
laying there.
And then I started also doingit.
Um, I guess as I'm saying it,I'm like, I, it was a hundred.
I, um, would say it when I'mgoing to sleep.
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And this was the really coolthing, what I noticed happening.
And I remember sending you amessage about this where I would
be saying my self-concept as I'mfalling asleep and you're going
into that liminal space andthen, you know, you kind of wake
up throughout the night at somepoint, or like multiple times.
I'm a pretty light sleeper, Ithink because of so many years
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of just being on duty at 24hours a day.
But I would notice when I wouldwake up, I would, my head was
still saying the self-concept,so then I was like, holy shit,
this is like, I mean.
Talk about hypnosis to the, likerewiring your brain.
Like it's literally doing it forme while I'm sleeping, you know?
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And I thought that was kind offascinating.
It doesn't happen every singletime.
Um, but a lot of the time if Igo to sleep saying my
self-concept, it's kind of likeI wake the next time I wake up
and I'm right there with myself-concept still.
So that's kind of the majorityof the ways that I work with it
or the other thing I do, thiswas also really, really
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beneficial for me if we wereworking on something, um.
Say related to like emotions orlike I was having, um, things
come up in my marriage or withmy children or whatever it was
in real time, I would sit there,'cause one of my big self
concepts was I feelingresponsible for everyone else's
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emotions and having a hard timeif they didn't feel good.
And so being able to sit withbig emotions was challenging for
me.
And so one of my self conceptswas related to that.
So whenever I felt overwhelmedby emotions or an argument with
my husband or whatever it was, Iwould just immediately go into
my self concept and I could feelthat like tight contraction.
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I would always feel it in mygut.
It would completely subside.
So it's like I could notice theshift in my energy in real time.
Yeah.
That's one of my favorite thingsabout self-concept is it almost
helps you become aware of thoselike, uh, subconscious patterns
you do.
Like, I remember there were somany self-concepts you've done
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where then you're able to likecatch yourself in real time,
like talking to NAYA or talkingto your kids and being like,
well, my self concept, you honeywould like message me and tell
me about these stories and belike, well, my self-concept was
this, and then I noticed I didthat and so then I corrected it
and did this.
It almost like it gives you thatlaser focus.
Yes, yes.
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Yeah.
And, and I also think becausethey're like simple, and I don't
know if this is householdconcept is for everybody across
the board.
Mm-hmm.
But how it is for me, it's likewe come up, it can be this
really big thing like yourtruth, right?
Like that's huge.
Yeah.
But we can make it into thisvery simple one liner that it
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just like brings you back.
Brings you back to neutral andyou're like, oh yeah.
It's like a reminder, like, ohyeah, this is actually, or for
like, with the big emotions,like, oh yeah, like I am, I'm
totally safe to feel these bigemotions.
Like, I forgot that's what itwould be like.
Oh, I forgot.
Oh yeah, everything's fine.
I'm this person.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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And it, it, you know, it, itallowed me to make so many
choices or decisions in my life,like really big decisions,
especially because of what myfamily is coming out of.
Um, and, but make decisions thatcame from my truth, from feeling
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like grounded and yeah, what'sex, what feels good.
And it's like when you followwhat feels good, and I don't
mean that in just like, youknow, we're gonna go out and
party and just like, feel goodall the time.
Like, I, I mean more of, um,like the moving forward feeling
good, like.
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The next thing Or expansive.
Yeah, like choices.
Like healthy Yes.
Choices that I've had to makewith business growth.
It's like, does this, is this inalignment with my self concept,
with what feels good in my bodywith feeling expansive?
Like that version of yourselfthat's there, that it's like you
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just kind of need to tune into.
And so when you use yourself-concept like that, it's
like, and then what happens isyou kind of just naturally
become it, right?
It's like I'm not really doingthe self-concept of me being
connected with my truth anymore.
'cause it's like it, it alreadyI embodied in it, right?
Mm-hmm.
So it's like, it's cool to watchthe progression of everything.
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And also I have to say, to giveyou props, what has been the
best about the self-concept workis that you couple it with
what's going on in the stars.
So it's like if right now, likeright now, um.
What's being illuminated in mysky is boundaries with my
family.
So it makes a lot more sense tobe focusing on a self-concept
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related to that versus maybe afinancial, um, self-concept or
something like that, you know,or like an abundance
self-concept.
So that I think has actuallyreally helped me like make
quantum leaps because I'm using,I'm like harnessing all of the
energy, you know, not just like,this is what I want.
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It's like, well, what is thething that's being shown to me
right now that I can make, um,breakthroughs with?
Yeah, totally.
I would love to hear, so wetalked about self-concept and
how powerful that is and fuckYeah, it is.
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Hani just mentioned how we'reusing the astrology to help
guide herself concept.
We, we've done that from thevery beginning.
I had like a birth chart readingwith Hani and that's how we got
into one-on-one coaching.
'cause we saw like where theenergy was heading.
I'd love to hear like, what haveyou thought about your
experience with astrology?
How has astrology in other wayshelped you create these quantum
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leaps?
Like what is it about it?
So, it's so cool because I don'thave like the, um, the story
with astrology that I wouldthink probably a lot of your
listeners have, where it's liketheir thing.
Mm-hmm.
Um, I.
I've had many readings and I,nothing ever like stuck, nothing
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ever.
I was just kind of like, uh, andI, what I really did not like
was what, what, what turned meoff about astrology was people
saying, oh, you're aSagittarius.
Oh, they're a Gemini.
Oh, you're like this because ofthis.
You're like, and I was justlike, I am not in a box.
Like, don't put me in a box.
Like, it just bugged me.
And so I kind of discredited it,but it was'cause it wasn't the
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right people.
Right.
Um, and so I had listened to youon a podcast and there was
something, and you weren'tsaying anything that was.
So much.
You were talking about you, Ithink you used the word
evolutionary astrology.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Using the north node and southnode.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
And I was like, there wassomething, and I didn't have a
lot of information from thatpodcast to be like, oh, I'm
converted to astrology.
Like, but there was something,obviously it was, it was
definitely, um, divinely ledwhere I was like, I wanna get a
reading by her.
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And I hadn't had an astrologyreading in a really long time.
Um, and yeah, and everythingjust kind of like, it just, it
felt so good.
The way that you describe it anduse it in life is like nothing I
had ever experienced in theastrology realm.
So now I am like completelyfascinated.
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A total believer, but what'sfunny is I can't commit any of
it to memory, like none of itwhere I'm listening to you or
I'll read my lunar return andI'm like, wow.
But I couldn't tell you what anyof my planets and what any of
the houses or anything.
None of it.
I don't really know why.
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I just, I hear it, it makessense.
I'm like, sweet.
And then, um, and then it justkind of fades away, which is
great because that's why I haveyou.
So, yeah, so astrology has beengame changer for my life.
I feel like absolute gamechanger.
And the really cool thing aboutit was it was never a part of my
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life prior to this, and I wasactually a little bit turned
off.
So it's interesting how, um,like I didn't need to be coaxed
into it or anything.
It was just something about theway that I.
You brought it forward,resonated so deeply with me and
it gives me, um, like some ofit's like validation, right?
Where I'm like, okay, that makessense.
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Like when you talk about all thecycle breaker aspects of my
chart, and it's like, that hasbeen present for me since I was
a little kid.
It's like, okay, well that makessense.
Um, and then a lot of thingslike with business, right?
Where it's like I do thingsdifferent.
It's like I spent so much yearsin business coaching that none
of it felt right, but I wasdoing what I was quote unquote
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supposed to do and not listeningto my truth.
And so that's been huge.
And then within family dynamics,just like, yeah, just using all
of it.
To your advantage.
And um, and sometimes it'sreally hard, like it's not easy,
you know, like I'll be on Voxer,like, okay, another lesson,
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like, I gotta learn anotherlesson.
Like when are the stars justgonna chill?
But I, you know, like, I knowwhat's on the other side is
like, it's so beautiful, youknow?
And like when I have thosebreakthroughs, it's like, oh my
gosh, like I get it.
Like I am, yeah.
I'm not here to just live thissurface life and everything, be
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happy.
It's like my happiness and myjoy are like deeply, um, rooted
in my being and my experiencesand in my family.
Like I'm, there's so much so ofcourse I, my lessons and things
are gonna be more intense.
Totally.
I mean, this is one of thereasons I've loved working with
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Hani is'cause she's not afraidof truth.
She, yeah.
Sometimes she'll be like, ah,the fucking lessons.
And you know what, sometimes Isay that too.
I'm like, are you, gimme afucking break here.
You know?
Yeah.
Um, and we had this conversationthe other week talking about
that, about, and it's kind oflike, choose your heart.
You know, like Hani goes to thegym, she eats healthy.
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Like, just like me.
Like that's why I'm sayingthere's a lot of similarities
between us.
Yeah.
And it's the same thing withevolving and living life.
Like I was telling Hani, um.
The world is always gonna haveearthquakes and it's always
gonna have tsunamis and it'salways gonna have, like the
earth is gonna always keepmoving and we're part of the
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earth and so we're always gonnakeep moving and we can resist it
just like we don't have to go tothe gym and we can eat a bunch
of crap and feel like crap.
Or we can choose a differenthard And that's the hard, that
can transmute into somethingthat's so much better.
And also like it's, it can helpto me.
And I'm curious if you feel thisway too.
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Astrology helps you maybe loosenthe grip on the resistance of
the lesson a little bit.
Yeah.
And, and it also.
It, it's like, it can kind ofmake it seem not so overwhelming
where it's like you have all ofthese lessons.
It's like, let's just hone in onwhat is going on right now.
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And so what I mean is you couldhave this like big problem or
issue or conflict or whatever itis, but if we take aspects of
astrology of, and then you cankind of, um, you can take out
the threads that are attached towhat's going on in the sky and
focus on those things to kind ofalleviate it.
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Do you know what I mean?
It's, yeah.
So I guess that would belessening the tension.
It's like, um, rather than focuson all of it, it's like, let's
just, yeah, let's just do what'smost important here.
And then it seems to, I don'tknow.
It works for me, I'll tell youthat.
It does.
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It's been great.
That makes me so happy to hear.
I feel you.
Yeah.
It's when people say like juststop resisting it and surrender.
That's what I think we'retalking about here.
That was one of my selfconcepts.
Yeah.
I surrender.
I surrender to life.
Yes.
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Oh my God.
So I have one last question foryou.
I would love to hear how haslike connecting to your truth
and getting more in your body,following the astrology, like
surrendering to the life'slessons coming out the other
side impacted how you now motherand like what you do in your
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work?
Because I know it has in so manyways and it's what you're
helping people with.
Yeah, so I would say for like mymothering and like my family
life, it has just given me, I.
Much more peace, clarity,contentment.
Um, we are also gonna betraveling for the next seven
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months.
And so, which was also writtenin the stars, but I, we had
decided to do it before I knewthat.
Um, and so it has helped me,gosh, it's like, how do I put
this into words?
I think it's helped me like makechoices that are in alignment to
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what my highest vision of mylife is.
So that would be like personallyand mothering and just like
making me a better person kindof for my children, right?
It's like they don't, I'm notyou.
Well, sometimes I do ask youquestions about my kids'
astrology, but it's more of likean internal thing for me, so
that the way that I show up forthem is in my.
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Highest self, which then givesthem the opportunity to be their
highest version of themselves.
And then with business, it hasbeen really, really interesting
because it was kind of like allthe things I thought I should do
more and more, more how I shoulddo it, the speed at which I
should do it.
Um, I, it's kind of dissolvedall of that where I'm really,
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really focusing on building thekind of company I.
That I want and that works formy family and the life that I
wanna create for myself.
And that's been huge.
So I just, um, I've justcompleted all of my product
suites for pregnancy,postpartum, and womanhood.
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And it took longer than I was atanticipating.
'cause like I mentioned before,I'm always like more, I'm in my
head and it's like, let's go,let's go.
Like I'm pretty energetic and.
I like to get things done andI'm organized and yeah, let's
go.
And it's really taught me tojust kind of just slow the fuck
down, which feels so good in mysystem when I actually pay
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attention to that and startedworking with a company who's in
complete alignment to my values.
They actually, that was one ofour first meeting calls was
like, what do you want?
Versus this is what we do.
Um, so we've worked everythingour entire, we have entire plan
through 2025 for, to, um, buildand sustain my business the way
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that I want it to feel.
And I think that's so importantbecause then that parlays onto
all of my products and mycourses and my programs and my
interactions with clients.
Um, so that's been a reallybeautiful way to use astrology
and.
Really, it's like how, I mean, Iget at its core, that's like my
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paying attention to my truth,like being in my truth and doing
what I value.
Yeah.
I'll say, I think this is reallyimportant to mention that one of
the things that makes Hani sopowerful and has given her such
deep transformation, um, is thatwhenever Hani messages me and
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someone else is involved, it israrely like what she rarely is
like, fuck.
Like what do they have to do tochange?
She's always like, what do Ihave to do to shift?
Like she completely has takenher power back.
Actually, maybe we can talkabout that just for a, like a
couple more seconds because Ithink that's important.
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Uh, what, like in yourexperience, what is taking your
power back look like and how hasthat transformed your life?
Because you say it a lot, peoplesay it generally, but she
actually does it, and it's inevery conversation that we have.
So for me, taking my power back,I think is speaking my truth.
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And I mean it's, you know, thatcan be kind of nuanced, but in a
way where I, um, I think for solong I was so concerned about
making everyone happy.
Like, I have a very lovingheart, so I still am that
person.
I still, I still care verydeeply about people and their
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feelings.
However, I was doing that in away where I was putting my
feelings aside because like, I'mstrong and I.
I got it.
Like, I, I think I talked a lotabout that with you, right?
Where I'm like, well, I'm good.
Like this person's moreemotional, so that's fine.
And I've, it's like I've, I tookmy power back by having my own
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voice and expressing myself andexpressing my truth and
realizing that you can do thatin a way that is still kind and
compassionate and from yourheart, and sometimes it's gonna
be a little rocky, but you aredoing a service to the people
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you're communicating to that wayas well as to yourself, like
within your relational dynamics.
Um, do you want me to like, godeeper on that or you just had
so many examples of like, likewith your kids, for example,
where something happens and youwanna react, but instead you
like, hold your power and then amagical things happen.
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Mm-hmm.
So especially with my oldest,um, with my teenagers, but
specifically my oldest, my son,um, he, because of the fires, he
ended up finishing his senioryear in Oahu at a boarding
school, which has been reallylike, we're a super tight
family.
So that was like, been reallyhard, really, really hard.
And I worked a lot with my selfconcept with the astrology, with
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April, um, with Rachel about,um, like how holding my power to
empower him, right?
Because this is a huge thing inmothering is we think we know
best.
We have all, well, that wasactually one of my generational
patterns.
I wanted to break because itpissed me off with my mom so
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much where I was like, I don'twanna be like that.
But it can creep in really,really easily if you're not
paying attention.
'cause sometimes you do knowbest, but you want them to.
You want?
Gosh.
It's like they have to come tothose conclusions themselves.
Right?
So by me being in my power, Ihave allowed my children.
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And so my son specifically we'retalking about being in his power
by, um, a lot of havingconversations to get him to see
things, um, without me tellinghim things, right?
Like, how does this feel to you?
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How does this make you feel?
Versus like, it would be quickerfor me to just say you should do
X, Y, and Z.
Right?
But that's not the longevity ofthat for him.
It's not giving him any power inhis life.
And it also doesn't put me in mypower because I.
(55:41):
I mean, then we can go into allthe boundaries and everything.
So I think with, with like beingin my power in mothering, it's
being completely open andallowing communication and
guiding them to realize theirown power in the choices they
make and the decisions that theymake throughout their day to day
(56:02):
with, no matter how small or bigthey are, you know?
But as they come up, and I thinkthe more you do that, it just
builds on itself and builds onitself so that when he's out on
his own next year, it's like hehas the confidence in him
himself to make decisions andchoices that are in his own
(56:24):
power.
Does that make sense?
Totally.
Yeah, it makes total sense.
I'll say one of the things I'veobserved about Hani, like when
speaking to like her gettingmore in her body and getting
grounded is, you know how a lotof people say to respond, not
react.
(56:44):
That's one way I really see youhold your power is she's gotten
really good at getting these,like something comes in that
anyone would wanna react to andshe doesn't.
She like holds it.
She calms herself and then she'sable to approach the situation
from a place that can actuallygain resolution.
(57:05):
Because I do, I feel it in mybody and the more and more
connected I am inwards whenthings happen, whether it's with
children or um, work or friendsor whatever it is, it's like.
Like, that's how I describe it,like this entire clench.
And instead of going with thatand LA and then it just being
(57:27):
this huge like compoundingeffect, it's like, okay, I feel
it doesn't feel good, and thenworking through it from there.
But I think acknowledging thenot feeling good and, and so
then with my children also, I dothat, right?
Like, if it doesn't feel good,like let them feel that too,
(57:48):
because they're even, you know,they're kids are less, they have
less noise.
Than we do at, at this age,right?
So it's like, if, if I can getthem to build those habits at
such a young age, it's likethey're, they're gonna be so far
ahead, right?
It's like they're gonna be goingoff into their adulthood already
(58:09):
connected to their body andknowing what feels good and what
doesn't.
So it's kind of like all thethings that I do and learn and
go through, um, for my own good.
I then not only parlay it ontomy kids in the sense that it's
just the energy in my home.
It's like I'm actually guidingthem through these same lessons.
(58:31):
You know, like I'm having aconversation with you about
being in my power and I amliterally doing that in real
time.
So it's like, almost likehealing my, going back to the
inner child healing, right?
Like I am healing my innerchild, of being in my power
through my son that I'm givingthat to, and giving him the
opportunity to be in his power.
(58:53):
And so, and even down to thelittlest one, you know, it's
like, yeah.
Taking, taking all of thesebreakthroughs that I have
personally and actually livingthem with my children.
And not that I'm telling'em Ihave this great breakthrough,
right, but it's like theembodiment of the breakthrough
(59:15):
or whatever it is that I'velearned or that I've gone to the
depths of my soul about.
Then I can come back into theserelationships with my children
and share that in a, insomething that they're going
through, right?
Like the 4-year-old version ofit, or the 8-year-old version of
it, or the 15-year-old versionover the 17-year-old version of
it.
(59:35):
And so that I think is like oneof the most beautiful things
that I do.
So coming full circle to whatmakes me a super woman, a
supermom, that's it.
I think I just figured it outthere, there, it's because one
thing, one more thing I wannaname is that, like, people like
(59:57):
your power in this life.
And I see it so much in Hani,I've seen it in my life, but now
that I've seen it through Hanidoing it too, I'm like, this is
really people's power.
Your power is, is that what you,how the state you choose to be
in and what you ch and everytime you choose to take
responsibility in anyrelationship for what's going on
(01:00:18):
between you two and like learnyour own lesson, it naturally
helps untie the knot for theother person somehow.
Mm-hmm.
And like so many different waysthat we probably can't name
right now.
Mm-hmm.
Um, and Hani is just such agreat example of it.
Like, it just, uh, you'remagical, everyone's haney's
magical.
Everyone is magical.
(01:00:38):
And people's magical power isthat you don't need to control
someone in order for, for thesituation to be resolved.
Yes, I had self-concepts aroundcontrol too.
Yeah.
And I mean, and my kids are socool, ev, you know, and of
course all mothers are justlike, we, the sun rises and sets
(01:01:00):
on our children.
But I see like, I mean, thelevel of maturity that, I mean,
my son is still a 17-year-oldboy, but just, um, the way that
my children relate to the worldand to adults and to friends and
(01:01:20):
within the community and, um, insports and aca, just everything.
They're really, reallyincredible children.
And I think that all kids havethat opportunity if they are
coming.
Like they're learning in thattype of environment.
And like that's, that is my wishfor the world is to create.
(01:01:43):
Home environments that feelreally, really good for you, and
then for the next generation,it's so important and that
starts in the womb.
That's why I started withpregnancy.
Yeah, like I said, Hani is hereto be a change maker, to move
humanity forward.
And I imagine,'cause you'reNorth Nodes in cancer is to show
(01:02:03):
families like a new way to breakthe generational trauma.
There's a new way of having afamily.
We didn't even get into thefact, like her and her husband,
they've been doing some otherwork on the side, but they've, I
know it's been very, uh, similarconversations there.
It works on every level.
Like it works with everyone.
It's not even just with yourchildren.
(01:02:24):
So, NIE, thank you so much forcoming on.
I just like think you're thecoolest and I know so many
people are gonna be so inspiredto hear what's happened like
throughout your journey theselast six months.
Well, actually one more thing,like how do you feel differently
in your body?
(01:02:44):
I feel more at peace like that.
Um, like the happiness is like.
It's not a surface happiness,right?
It's like a deeply embodied inme.
Like I just, I feel good, butit's not this overwhelming,
extra emotion.
It's just kind of like a verypeaceful, joyful, in aligned
(01:03:12):
feeling.
That's the power of doingeverything Hani just talked
about.
So Hani, where can people findyou to learn from you?
Um, so everything is Breath ofHani and my name is spelled HANI
and my website is Breath ofHanni.
I just started, this wasdefinitely, um, led by what
(01:03:38):
feels good to me.
I just, um, opened up a freecommunity called Breathe and
Thrive.
So that would be a great placeto land.
Um, they'll, there's monthlytopics there.
And we have live monthly breathwork.
We have one day a month of liveq and a.
There's different resources,breath work, meditations, and
(01:03:59):
that's gonna kind of, that'slike organic and evolving.
I just opened the doors a fewweeks ago and we just had our
first live breath work session.
But that's a great place to landbecause you can kind of see the
types of conversations that I'mhaving, what's kind of
prevalent, what's going on,because I like to teach as I go
through things.
And then also live breath workis always just the most amazing
(01:04:22):
thing.
Um, and then I have, so I have acouple different pregnancy
products.
One is birthing with ease, oneis called exhale.
And this is all about reallysupporting mom and her energy
and her relationships and herwhat she wants for her birth
(01:04:46):
experience.
And then for my postpartum, Ifelt like that was a really big,
kind of like empty space forpeople.
There wasn't a lot of resourcesthere.
I had great postpartumexperiences.
I was very supported.
That's also in my chart.
I like to be supported.
I thrive on support.
(01:05:07):
So, um, as much as I had like myfriends in my community, I also
outsourced support and I thinkthat's really important for you
and your self care.
So there's, um, there's twoprograms there and for womanhood
we're focusing on generationaltrauma healing.
I have one specific to yourmother wound called relationship
(01:05:29):
restoration.
So if you're noticing patterncycles and dynamics that
continually happen in most allof your relationships or your
most important intimaterelationships, you can begin
with the mother wounds.
And then elevate, which is allencompassing, like I was talking
about, all the four major corewounds, inner child healing,
creating structure.
(01:05:50):
I've also added someself-concept in there because
it's amazing and I've had suchhuge results with that.
And I do wanna, I am doing aworkshop, sorry, this is
information overload, but I'mdoing a workshop at the end of
May.
Um, solely focusing onself-concept and how that's the
missing link to manifestation.
(01:06:12):
So that should be really fun.
And it's exciting for me becauseit's like I have put 110% in for
the past half year and it's likeI am a real living example of
how the work actually works.
So, and then Instagram,everything is Breath of Hani, so
Breath of Hani online on mywebsite, breath of Hani
(01:06:36):
Instagram.
And I did just start a um,birthing with Ease Instagram
page as well.
If you are pregnant or want tobe pregnant, that's a great
place to begin.
Perfect.
Thank you so much.
So I'll put all of those linksin the show notes below so you
can easily find her.
Thanks Hani, for coming on nowwe have our sessions, so we're
(01:06:58):
gonna take, I'll have a littlesnack.
Yeah.
Okay.
Thank you so much.
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