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December 16, 2024 55 mins

Unlock the secrets of the stars and see how cosmic forces shape our world and personal lives. Join me, Evan Nathaniel Grim, as we navigate the fascinating intersections of astrology and current events, including the astrological underpinnings behind the shocking crime involving prime suspect Luigi Mangione. Discover how Pluto in Aquarius and Saturn in Pisces signal profound societal shifts, reflecting the turmoil in our healthcare system and the larger struggle against entrenched power structures.

We examine how Pluto's transit through Aquarius might redefine our societal norms and also could reflect rapid advancements in technology that raise uncomfortable questions about regulating these technologies to minimize damage and other unwanted externalities while also allowing technological progress to continue. We also explore the mysterious case of drones hovering around New Jersey and how that could connect to other seemingly disparate current events. There is a larger theme at play with Saturn in Pisces. 

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Hey, there, it's Evan Nathaniel Grimm, and welcome to
the latest episode of AstrologyUnbound.
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So, yeah, let's dive in.
Last week was the inauguralepisode of Season 2, and we had
a lot to cover.
That was definitely a catch-upepisode on everything we missed
during the weeks that we wereaway from the podcast, and on
this episode we are going toalso catch up on some of the

(01:55):
things that deserve a follow-up,including the case of Luigi
Mangione, who, I believe at thetime that I recorded episode one
, he was either just identifiedas the prime suspect, and,
anyways, I didn't really havetime to dive into his astrology

(02:16):
on that episode, but I'm goingto review his birth chart a
little bit further today.
I'm also going to again reflecton that Gemini full moon, which
you know passed today, but Ithink there are implications on
you know, society and on you ona personal level that we can
cover, and then again, I willalso get us, you know, prepared

(02:37):
for the winter solstice.
So, right off the bat, though,I want to cover Luigi Mangione's
chart.
So, as of now, it seems thatyou know again, he is the prime
suspect.
There are people who you knowremind me that, you know, this
is a legal system in which weare innocent until proven guilty
.
So I recognize that he is onlya suspect at this time.

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But, um, you know, his chartsdefinitely reflects, uh, the
sort of personality of somebodywho is fairly volatile.
Um and when, when they said inthe news reports that at the
time that he was 26 years old,they weren't specifying any kind
of birthday, birth time.
And just by the way, to catchup, uh, on this situation, I'm

(03:22):
sure there's some people who arelike, who is this guy?
Well, you know, the CEO ofUnitedHealthcare, brian Thompson
, was gunned down about twoweeks ago, I believe on December
4th, in New York City, and atthe time it was you know just
all they knew.
It looked like a lone shooterwho escaped on a bicycle, on an

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e-bike, and they were wearing ahood and had this distinctive
backpack and, anyways, they weretrying to stitch the whole case
together and eventually theyarrived at this person in
Altoona, pennsylvania, at aMcDonald's I guess he was just
posted up there and somebodyreported him based on the you

(04:06):
know just sort of theinformation that had been
blasted out by the media so far,and they were apprehended and
eventually identified as LuigiMangione, and it sounds like he
has a fairly atypical profile ofsomeone in this position.
He went to an Ivy League schoolschool comes from a wealthy

(04:29):
family.
Um, however, he seems to havegone through some sort of
painful back injury eventuallyand he had a lot of sleepless
nights and a lot of chronic painmanagement.
Anyways, he left behind amanifesto that was sort of a
screed against the entirehealthcare industry and, you

(04:50):
know, just sort of underscoringthe, the downsides of a, you
know, profit motive or profitdriven industry in this, in this
case, you know.
So.
Anyways, there's a lot ofcontext that I'm not going to
cover on this podcast, butessentially, you know he has
become one of the most notoriousfigures in the public
consciousness in the last twoweeks and I do think it's

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interesting that you know thishas happened while Pluto is now
in Aquarius and sort ofreflecting a bit of an
anti-establishment, you know,sort of view that may be
starting to seep in to thecollective, but also with Saturn
being in Pisces.

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I've talked about this for yearsnow, that this was going to be
a new sort of perspective comingin about health and healthcare
and how we manage health, health, and while I don't think that
this event is well.
I mean it is kind of a well, itis kind of a wake up call for

(05:53):
people to well.
I mean to realize, like, howbad it's gotten in a way for
some people.
I mean, a lot of people outthere obviously are not
resorting to those motives, butmany people in this country that
I'm recording in the UnitedStates are dealing with chronic
pain management.
They don't have like a clearrecourse, they don't have a
place always to treat the painor they deal with it in very

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unhealthy ways and on layer ontop of that, the fact that so
many people in the United Statesare unhealthy to begin with and
therefore they need all theseexpensive, you know, procedures
or all this expensive care.
So there's a lot of layers toit that, again, I'm not going to
fully cover, but it does embodysort of the transits that are

(06:35):
going on right now and Saturnand Neptune still are gaining in
proximity.
They're not going to actuallymeet up in Pisces, but they will
get pretty close next yearwhile the North Node is in
Pisces.
So while I'm not suggesting thatthis is just the beginning of
similar copycat incidents, I dothink that there is, you know,
further introspection going onand reflection on how we address

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the healthcare crisis thatexists, especially in the United
States.
I mean because it is a crisis.
I mean when we think about,again, just the sheer amount of
people that are unhealthy,whether it's through their
nutritional choices or lifestylechoices or just their economic
circumstances.
You know there is this sort ofnotion that well, yeah, the

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healthcare industry does benefitfrom people being sick and
needing care.
The medical industrial complexbenefits from people being sick,
so it's not really healthcare,it's sick care, and I think that
that has been discussed inmyriad ways over the last, you
know, many decades, so that'snot necessarily anything new.
But while I think that, while Ithink this act in of itself is I

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mean, it's clearly a violent,reckless act.
It's like it is reflecting thiscollective grief and
frustration over eitherindividual health crises or the
loss of a loved one, maybe toopioid addiction or other
chronic health issues that werenever covered by a health
insurance company.
Or, you know, watching maybesomeone freely choose to become
unhealthy and then deal with the.

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Or you know watching, maybesomeone freely choose to become
unhealthy and then deal with theconsequences.
You know, and there's people inthis country who even, you know
, feel a bit of a resentmentthat they have to pay for
people's poor health choices.
So, whatever side of you knowthe aisle or the spectrum you're
on, there are reasons to bedisappointed in the structure of

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our health system and to bekind of dismayed by the personal
choices that people are making,which again are sort of
influenced by a number of thingslike big agriculture, fast food
industry, big pharma and so on.
So while again, you know, whileyou can debate, obviously like
his actions in and of themselves, there is obviously a larger

(08:50):
issue going on here, which isthat during the Pluto and
Capricorn era, I do think thatindustries became increasingly
consolidated and impenetrable,and you know there is a
concentration of poweressentially in some of these
industries and the system itselfhas become very rigid in a way

(09:13):
where, you know, it almost seemsas though people with power are
marching in lockstep togetherto ensure certain outcomes.
In in the case of thehealthcare industry and the
medical industry, it does feelsometimes like either the
solutions are frustratinglymissing or the prognosis or the
sort of diagnostic process isvery suspect, where, you know,

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people are being treated withall kinds of pharmaceuticals
that may or may not actually behelping them.
You know they may be keepingthem in a revolving door of you
know health expenses andaddiction.
So you know, I mean so there'sa mountain of you know societal
issues underneath.

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What happened, right, and what'sthe reason I'm kind of going
into all this, by the way, isbecause of his birth chart.
I mean, his birth chart isshowing that he is part of a
sub-generation of crusaders,essentially.
And I was watching a few otherastrology videos about his
charts before I posted mine andI was pretty disappointed,

(10:18):
actually, in the lack ofdiscussion about this.
I haven't watched everyastrologer's video about Luigi,
so maybe I'm missing someonehere, but for the most part, I
saw a lot of generic takes Like,oh, sun-mars conjunction, you
know Mercury-Saturn conjunction,but like they weren't really
contextualizing it.
So you know what makes hischart.

(10:39):
Instead of looking at his chartin a vacuum like that, oh, what
are his aspects?
It's like, okay, no, no, no.
Like think about the context inwhich he was born.
Like, think about that actual,is there anything going on in
that sort of cohort of people?
So like, for example, peopleborn in you know, 89 and 90 have

(10:59):
that sort of Capricorn Stellium, saturn, uranus, neptune.
That is a marker of something,a marker of, basically,
idealists who are trying toreimagine the system.
You also have, you know, othercohorts within that, like in
part of 1989, you had the SouthNode on Regulus.
Those are star seeds and peoplewho come from royalty and so on

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.
So, like you have to dissectsomeone's chart, oftentimes from
the perspective of like theirsub-generation or their
sub-sub-generation, andunderstand that souls come in,
come, enter this world in groups.
So it's not, it's like anyonefrom, let's say, his month,
especially early may 98.
They're all crusaders in someway, because they all all have

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Pluto squaring, the lunar nodes,which are all activating,
antares and Aldebaran, which arethe two fixed stars associated
with the crusades.
Aldebaran is more pertaining tomilitary strategy.
Antares is the berserker, thebelligerent star, and it's very
unwieldy.
But in this case his actions,his words, his manifesto, etc.

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Etc are linked up with a fightthat he's been on in multiple
lifetimes.
I believe that some of hislifetimes have been fighting for
religious causes or for areligious war.
Being part of a militaryorganization is definitely in
his past life and also observingstrict religious codes is
definitely in his past life andalso observing strict religious
codes is part of his past lives.

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So again, it's bigger than justhaving a Sun-Mars conjunction
or a Mars-Chiron opposition,which can be tough.
It's that he is part of a againsubgroup that have been either
preachers, religious warriorsyou know, they have studied
scriptures maybe they have beenpart of scientific revolutions

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as well that push back againstreligion.
But either way, his chart isvery ideological and zealous and
whatever cause that he wouldtake up in his life, it was
bound to be sort of at theextreme margins of whatever that
cause entailed.
So you know, again, there arecertain people who will just
have a conversation at thedinner table about, you know,

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the healthcare industry, theiropinions about it.
They will be very quiet aboutit, though, in public.
But people who have Aldebaranand Antares in their chart are
much more likely to be highlyvocal about, you know, their
belief systems, and they will beon a crusade of some sort.
And with this chart it's likewith Pluto in the mix, it can

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almost be destructive in a way,or it can kind of go to the ends
of the earth and it can go tothose extremes to vouch for a
certain position.
To vouch for a certain position.
So his actions were part of aparadigm shift in a national
conversation at least, if not aglobal conversation, about how
we manage health personally,socially, collectively,

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governmentally and so on.
And again, I've been on thispedestal for many years about,
you know how we have toreevaluate the way that we take
care of ourselves.
You know, in light ofeverything that's happened the
past few years, right, like thepandemic was a wake-up call in

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the sense that you know it didhighlight the underlying
comorbidities as well.
So it wasn't just about theCOVID virus, it was about also
our susceptibility to certainoutcomes based on what we choose
to do each day.
Now, I think that's justobjectively true, right, Like

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you don't have to be politicallyleaning one way or the other to
agree that.
Like politically leaning oneway or the other, to agree that,
like, yes, there can bepathogens in the environment,
but in some cases, our ownresponse to that pathogen can be
based on our physical health,like our level of healthiness.
Now, obviously, some pathogensdon't care about, like how many

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miles you run a day or how muchyou exercise.
Some viruses, some bacteria,literally just you know, take
out the host regardless of theirfitness.
I totally acknowledge that.
But in the context of thisprevious pandemic, it did
highlight the need to be reallymindful of you know your daily
habits, your nutrition, so thatyou are more resilient if and

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when the next pathogen comes, ifand when that next pathogen has
a higher mortality rate, or youknow if it attacks other
vulnerabilities within the humanbody or the system itself.
You know, and also the pandemicI think gave people a reason to
be more reflective of likeother types of either, well,
other types of health.
I mean, you know a lot ofpeople turn towards spirituality

(15:44):
during the pandemic to eithermake sense of it or to explore
ways to again achieve resiliency.
And in my case, I did look intospirituality, not for the first
time in my life, but definitelylike went all in on it during
the pandemic, with all the sortof time that I had and you know,
coming out of it I have adoptedmore of a holistic view of

(16:05):
health myself, and I think a lotof people have as well.
And of course, there's a lot ofmisinformation out there about,
you know, what is a healthy wayof living versus not, and is
there a quick fix or not?
So you know, I know I'm kind ofgetting into a lot of tangents
here, but I think this isimportant because again this
does foot back to thePisces-Saturn, or sorry, yeah,

(16:29):
the Pisces-Saturn and thePisces-Neptune transits, which
is that I mean.
Actually, if we want toactually live well in the long
run, it's like it all hinges onwhat we do day in and day out.

(16:52):
So again, there is like anundercurrent and underpinning to
this whole discussion abouthealthcare, I think, because
again you can be disgruntledabout the healthcare industry
and how they are profit-drivenand their coverage is really

(17:13):
spotty for arbitrary reasons orwhatnot, but there is an
underlying question of, well,why do we even rack up so many
healthcare expenses and why ishealth care so expensive?
Right, and it is partly basedon individual health choices as
well.
So it's not just a matter ofsaying, like well, are our

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health care companies evil orsomething.
It's like okay, but like why doyou even have to file a claim
in the first place?
So, um, anyways, like all ofthese connecting threads will
continue to be illuminated anddiscussed while saturn and
neptune are still in pisces,like that's really my point, and

(17:55):
I think, when they actuallymeet up in um aries, like there
could be a totally new healthsystem under underway at that
point, um, and nothing changesovernight.
But I do think healthcare is oneof the prime focus areas in
especially the US, but also theworld, over the next few years,
because another aspect of Saturnand Pisces is that there are

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toxins in the environment.
There are toxins in theenvironment, whether that be,
you know, radioactive materialor pollution just like forever
chemicals and plastics thatenter the body.
There are all kinds of toxinsthat lead to increased rates of
cancer and declining lifeexpectancy, especially in the US

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and other developed, in somecases, probably other developed
nations have suffered from thatsame fate.
But you know, we are going totake a good hard look at that,
especially when Chiron goes intoTaurus, you know, in a couple
years, like we will look athealing the planet, healing the
earth, being moreenvironmentally conscious and
being more conscious of what weingest and what we put in our

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bodies.
And I think that that is in somedirect or indirect way
connected to what happened onDecember 4th in New York.
It's obviously an event thatrattled a lot of people and
scared a lot of people, for goodreason.

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I mean, it was a violent act,but it also is a tip of the
iceberg thing where it doesreflect a lot of underlying
issues that other people havewith the health system or that
they have with their own healthor whatnot.
So anyways, his chart was meantto be and again, I think

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there's free will, by the way,I'm not saying he just couldn't
help his actions, I think thathe chose to do those things.
But his chart, in some way,shape or form, was destined to
be, you know, changing theconversation, changing people's
minds in some way, even if itwas as a professor or something.
And you know his son, mara'sconjunction with the Chiron

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opposition shows that he wasinjured.
In my opinion he was injured onthe battlefield in a past life.
He may have suffered from allkinds of physical trauma in a
past life, maybe even in thislifetime, especially through the
father or someone in thefather's family on that side of
the family.
I wonder if there's a littlebit of trauma there.

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Family on that side of thefamily.
I wonder if there's a littlebit of trauma there.
And based on the degree theory,his son is at 15 degrees, pretty
much.
Mar is at 17,.
Chiron at 15.
It would show that between theages of 15 and 17, he may have
also had some type of injury,although when Uranus reached
those degrees of Taurus.
Potentially that also sparkedan injury.
Potentially that also sparkedan injury.

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But you know, I think 15 to 17is a that will be.
Those will be years to reflecton and I'm sure something may
even come out about those yearsas people do more like sort of
profiles about him.
He does have a son Uranus Squareand Mars Uranus Square so that
makes him more prone to likesudden volatility, sudden acts

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of violence, impulsivity.
But also it goes both ways,like maybe he experienced an
unexpected act of violencebetween the ages of 15, 17, but
maybe even going back to 12 withthe Uranus degree.
And I wonder about the ages ofseven and eight, because Pluto
and the north and south nodesare around those degrees.
Maybe there was atransformation there of like

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thought process, education,maybe he was taken into a
different educationalenvironment.
And now I don't think we havehis exact rising yet.
By the way, I'm sure some ofyou are like well, what's his
rising sign?
I heard that he's actually aLeo rising, but I don't have any
data to corroborate that, so Idon't know if that was just like
someone heard about that.
But it would make sense thathe's a Leo rising, to be honest,

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because it would put hisSaturn-Mercury conjunction in
the ninth house of highereducation and he was fairly well
, very successful in thatenvironment.
Well, very successful in thatenvironment and and um, so,
anyways, the injury he sustainedin that past life on the

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battlefield carried with him inthis lifetime.
Um, he suffered from a lowerback injury.
It sounds like he had surgeryuh to uh, you know, attend to
that, but also it was his lowerback, I think, because he has
Pluto close to Antares, whichliterally Antares rules the
lower back and the fifth lumbarregion of the spine.

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So to give you an example ofhow accurate this can be, when I
posted the video about hischart, I got a lot of comments
from people who were born aroundthe same time saying I've had
lower back issues as well.
I've had lower back issues andin my own chart I have Mercury
at seven degrees of Sag, mars atnine Gemini.

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So I'm active, I have thoseAntares, el Debron stars
activated and you know my fatherwas paralyzed in a motorcycle
accident and you know his, hehad his spinal cord severed, I
believe, around the don't quoteme on this, I don't know if it
was exactly the fifth lumbar,but it was in his lower back.
So you know the lower backthing plays out a lot when

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people have like seven, eight,nine degrees of sag in their
charts.
I've noticed, or maybe even 10degrees, but mostly I've noticed
those final degrees of thatfirst decan.
Now if you're listening to thisepisode and you're born in
early 98, or you have somethingaround 789 Sag, like don't freak
out.
I'm not saying that everybodyis destined to have a lower back
issue there with thoseplacements, but it does make it

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more likely or more.
It's more common.
So he was more injury prone.
And then I talked about how hehas a Virgo moon which, broadly
speaking, does match the factthat his mother has had health
issues.
If he's a Leo rising, his Virgomoon would be probably around

(23:58):
like 21, 22 degrees of Virgospecifically.
Potentially it's a 22 degreeVirgo moon which would put it at
a critical degree.
And you know he's had Saturnand Neptune opposing his moon
this year and in recent yearswith Neptune.
So that would definitely haveexacerbated the mother's health
issues and with Saturn opposinghis moon this year he's probably

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felt very pessimistic.
Saturn opposing his moon thisyear he's probably felt very
pessimistic, lonely, isolated,and Saturn on the south node has
definitely been difficult, Iwould imagine, and has probably
made him feel lonely,disconnected from social systems
.
I think that February 29th wasa big day for him, actually,

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because Saturn, the sun andMercury were all on his south
node, so he may have hadreceived tough news around that
time.
He may have, um, you know, uhstarted to shift his thinking a
little bit in the towardssomewhat of a darker perspective
with all those nodal uhtransits and, you know, the

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Saturn-Mercury conjunction also,naturally, is more pessimistic,
a little bit more likely to bemaybe not close-minded but like
to be fairly a little stubborn.
I think about something, but Ifeel like with the
Mercury-Saturn conjunction, ithas a lot to do with his past
lives either transcribingreligious texts you know, back

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before we had printers or copymachines.
I could see him in some kind oflike religious monastery, just
like making copies of the Bibleor maybe some other, or the
Quran or some other document,document, um.

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And I could also see himmarching in like a military
group, like, and working with uhwell, just like you know, doing
everything very methodicallyand in accordance with very
strict rules that were observed,which, again, like I said
earlier, could have beenreligious rules or there could
have been like specifictechniques that his military
group deployed that he had tofollow.
But you know, because the moonis ruled by Mercury and his moon

(26:13):
is in Virgo I talked about thisin my video last week, like
intuitively, like you wouldbasically use that to figure out
.
Okay, his mother was probably ageneral in his past life that
he reported to, and I think hisfather may have been more so,
somebody that he was in conflictwith but maybe fighting against
as an enemy, but his mother wasprobably a highly respected

(26:35):
general in his military group.
So again, the Saturn-Mercuryconjunction is following orders,
dispositing that.
I mean that Virgo moon, withthe moon being the mother, it
all kind of adds up.
And if he's a Leo risingChiron's in his fourth house,
which would show that the motheragain may have had some kind of
health issue or injury at somepoint.
But the father was more likely.

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I mean, the father could havebeen someone he fought with on
the battlefield as well, to behonest, but his father is more
likely somebody who he actuallywas um an adversary with on the
battlefield.
But when I look at this chart Ijust see someone who's kind of
like waking up in this lifetimeto just like instant sort of
stress and instant attack andlike an instant feeling of like

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lack of safety, because italmost feels like the enemy is
at home in a way.
Um, I just feel like there's alot of discord here in the
family, or the family.
Um instilled a sense of like anotion in him that this is sort
of like a dog eat dog sort ofworld maybe, and that you know,

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people have to be ambitious andpeople have to basically step
over people to get to where theyneed, and that it's like a
really cruel world and that hehas to just kind of be very
vigilant and watchful.
I mean, it kind of paints a bitof a dark picture.
To be honest, there's not a lotof, there's a lot of harshness
in this chart for sure.
So, again, I think that theages of 15 to 17 are going to

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show up as being significantyears for him.
Somehow we will learn somethingabout those years and again,
like the Saturn transits havebeen really punishing right now
on the South Node, I just feellike he has lost access to his

(28:21):
structure, his foundation, and Ithink that you know, again,
like I said in my video, he was,you know, obviously fighting
for this intellectual cause andgoing on this crusade or
whatever.
But I think he was fighting notonly on behalf of like himself
and his views and other peoplewho he deems, you know, as being
victims of the healthcaresystem, but he was fighting on

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behalf of his mother who, again,probably wasn't a general on
the battlefield in that pastlife, who was likely injured on
that, you know, on thatbattlefield.
And there's a lot of otherthings in this chart.
Obviously, like Jupiter andPisces amplifies to me, like the

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, you know, the potential forsome kind of religious past.
Um, maybe he was also, you know, maybe had some spiritual
inclinations in a past life,although the saturn mercury
conjunction is a little bit morepragmatic in a way.
But uh, that hopefully thatgives you, uh, just a sense of,
you know, his, his again, howhis astrology connects.

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I mean he, the Sun-Marsconjunction naturally, is going
to make someone more impulsive.
Opposite Chiron again, there'smaybe a history of violence
there, either in the family orin his own life, and you know,
he may feel like he's beenpushed down by somebody in his
past.
Again, I think it's 15 to 17years old, but, like uh, he may
have a lot of resentment that heharbors towards, uh, you know

(29:48):
certain certain people becauseyou know there there was some
violence in that past and asense that he had to constantly
watch out for danger.
I just feel like the cortisollevel levels are kind of high
there, um and uh.
I want to look at his draconicchart though.
So the draconic chart is thechart of the soul before it

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enters the body, and some peoplebelieve that you can look at
your draconic Pluto to, you know, decipher when you were born in
your past life.
I don't really buy that.
I've done many readings forpeople where their past lives
were much more recent than theirPluto.
Their draconic Pluto wouldsuggest.
But looking at his chart, againusing an approximate birth time

(30:31):
, so just take this with a grainof salt.
I mean, you know he might notbe a Leo rising.
I have to confirm that.
I don't think we haveconfirmation of that yet, but
looking at his draconic chart,it's interesting.
I mean, you know it's showingthat he's a.
He's an aries, moon, um, and auh pisces rising.

(30:52):
Again, that's only if he was aleo rising, though he has a sun
mars conjunction.
Wow, this is powerful.
So I'm reacting to his draconicchart for the first time.
I've not looked at it until now.
So he has a Sun-Marsconjunction and I get this At
nine degrees of Sag is where hisMars is.

(31:12):
His Draconic Mars is at ninedegrees of Sagittarius on
Antares, and the Sun is at sevenSag, where his Pluto is
opposing Chiron, which is veryclose to Aldebaran.
Seven degrees of Gemini there.
So like you can't get moresynchronistic than that.
So that is to me the bestconfirmation we've had so far

(31:38):
that all these intuitivedownloads I'm getting about his
birth chart applying thetechnique of the fixed stars in
my own past life sort of styleof readings that gives us even
more validation that he hasfought in the Crusades and the
religious wars.
So yeah, and he has DraconicPluto and Gemini.
You know when was Pluto at 28Gemini?

(32:00):
That would have been like the1920s or something.
If I let's see, when was Plutoat that area of Gemini?
Yeah, I mean you have to goback into, let's find it, the
1911 period.
Well interesting, I mean that's, you know, towards the outbreak

(32:24):
of World War I.
But I want to see, you know, inthe way way past, like what's
going on there, when was Plutoand Gemini in the distant past?
If it was, it would have beenlike nah, it looks like it was
probably not, but anyway.

(32:52):
So I think, just like the caseto be made here on this podcast,
is that you know he veryclearly fought in the Crusades
and you know other types ofreligious wars.
He has Mercury and Scorpio,saturn and Scorpio in his
draconic chart, which again isthe chart of the soul before it
enters the body, and it sets thenorth node to zero Aries, by
the way.
So the way to create a draconicchart you can just look this up
on astrocom but, like, the wayyou create the draconic chart is
you calibrate it according to azero degree Aries north node.

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So if your north node is atzero Leo, it would be a trine
going backwards 120.
It would put all the planetsbackwards 120 degrees.
If, going backwards 120, itwould put all the planets
backwards 120 degrees.
If you were born with the northnode at zero aries, exactly,
your draconic chart would notlook any different.
Um, but for most people itrecalibrates the chart in a
significant way.
Um, you know he has, wow, yeah,the moon in aries.

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I mean that, that's, that's the, that's the moon placement for,
like a soldier, a warrior ofsome kind.
So, again, regardless of whatyou think about his actions,
whether you are, you know,saying hey, this person had a
great point, this industry isreally corrupt, or if you think
it's completely vile and there'sno excuse and everybody should
abide by the golden rule,whatever you are, wherever you

(34:02):
are on the spectrum, it's noneof my business rule.
Whatever you are, wherever youare on the spectrum, it's none
of my business.
The point is, astrologically, wehave just looked up his
draconic chart and we have justbasically affirmed that, hey,
this guy has fought in theCrusades in a past life and,
again, he's probably had otherlifetimes in the intervening
years.
But what's interesting too isthat, based on a 1230 pm birth

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time that I've just randomlyestablished, he is an eight
degree Pisces rising, whichliterally is the position of a
south node.
So there's somethingserendipitous about that, in the
sense that perhaps the 1230 pmbirth time I chose randomly, I
don't know, maybe it is hisbirth time somehow, but
otherwise it's interesting that,even if it's not his birth time
, the universe is giving me asignal that hey, we're putting

(34:47):
his rising sign at eight Pisces,squaring Aldebaran and Antares.
You're onto something, evan.
So that's really powerful.
You know where do we go fromhere?
Mercury is going to continue tosquare Saturn over the next
couple days, again, regardlessof your assessment of his

(35:08):
actions, sort of the you knowwhatever you want to call it,
the you know whatever you thinkabout it, and it's still
changing the perspective on.
I think it is shifting theconversation around healthcare
and many people harbor, like alot of I don't know, disgruntled

(35:30):
feelings about the healthcareindustry.
I don't know, I just hope thatwe have a larger conversation
about health, just broadly right, like we don't have to make
this about just one facet.
It doesn't just have to beabout the healthcare industry.
Again, there's somethingunderneath that which is, you
know, that the average humanbeing just sits down most of the

(35:51):
day.
You know, the chair is just asdeadly as cigarettes.
I mean, there are lifestylechoices that either we make or
that we've been roped into thathave been deleterious to our own
health, which again creates theneed for health care in the
first place.
So it's like, I think, withPluto being an Aquarius now,
people will adopt, like,different models of, like you

(36:11):
know, health care that aresomehow able to bring down the
cost, or people live in almostlike their own little localized
communities where they live offof local food products or
produce and they live healthyand they buy into cheaper
healthcare systems, because it'sa community of only healthy

(36:32):
people.
I don't know.
There's all kinds of thingsthat we can imagine with the
Aquarian energy of groups andcommunities.
Imagine with like the Aquarianenergy of like groups and
communities.
Or, you know, we will, you know, decide that the profit motive
does spoil, you know, healthoutcomes essentially, and that
we need to change that model sothat people aren't just being

(36:53):
kept, you know, in thatrevolving door of sickness.
So now I want to transition,though, to another section which
you know.
I want to reflect on the Geminifull moon and through the lens
of some of the stuff that'shappening in the news actually.
So you know, we did have theGemini full moon a few hours
before I started filming thisDecember 15th, and you know, the

(37:17):
Gemini full moon, it wasinteresting because Mercury did
station direct a few hours later.
So, in theory, some people aregaining more kind of clarity and
more confidence in theirdecision making, which is great,
or maybe feel more empowered tofinally sign the contract, book
the travel, you know, make thepurchase and so on, but

(37:38):
something I didn't really leaninto in my videos, but I will
address here.
You know, is that there was asquare with Neptune.
The Sun and Moon were squaringNeptune and the Sun is starting
to square Neptune over the nextthree days.
So the Neptune square issomewhat important.
I mean, it wasn't an exact.
It was not an exact square,it's like four degrees off.

(37:59):
It was an approaching square,so it hadn't really built up yet
.
But I think there's somevalidity to the claim that the
full moon may have createdconfusion or tiredness for you
exhaustion.
It may have led to vivid dreams.
I know a lot of people hadvivid dreams around this full
moon.
That's not surprising.
So if you feel exhausted rightnow and you don't have a lot of

(38:22):
clarity, that's okay.
If you feel like you got theclarity, though, then you know
more power to you.
But I wouldn't like be toodismayed if you feel like you're
a little stuck still.
But know that you know.
As Mercury squares Saturn againfor the third time in this
Mercury cycle, people are goingto be able to focus more on a

(38:43):
set of specific things to beproductive, to get things done,
and Mercury is trining Marsright now.
So that's giving more power toour intellect in a positive way
and not an argumentative orabrasive way.
But Mercury has been in Sag fora long time.
I mean, if you look at theingress of Mercury in Sag let me
cue it up really quick this wasNovember 2nd that it went into

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Sag.
It's not going to leave Saguntil January 8th of 2025.
So it's spending over twomonths in its detriment, in a
detrimental position, and youknow, mercury in Sag wants the
bigger perspective.
It doesn't care so much aboutthe details, it just wants to
tell a compelling story or tohook into a compelling belief

(39:27):
system.
And retrograde and squaringSaturn opposing Jupiter, a lot
of people again are changingtheir perspectives, are thinking
about you know a range ofthings differently.
You know a range of thingsdifferently.
So I think beliefs are changing.
But also, as I predicted a fewweeks ago, the aviation industry
is under a lot of strain, isbeing strained right now and it

(39:47):
is by this drone situation inNew Jersey.
So, with Pluto and Aquariusalso ruling, unidentified
phenomena in a way, and because,well, I mean, you know,
Aquarian can be kind of alien ina way.
But you know, I also think thatSaturn and Neptune, when they
conjoin, this can also beassociated with like mystery,

(40:10):
mystifying experiences, andright now it's with Mercury and
Sag and Sag ruling long-termflight, like I talked about back
in November when I was makingpredictions for this month.
It was bound to create allkinds of chaos in the travel
industry, in the aviationindustry and with, like this

(40:31):
whole idea of like boundariesbeing crossed.
So here we have thesemysterious drones hovering in
the airspace in New Jersey, newYork, and airports being
temporarily either shut down orrunways being closed.
You know this is a seriousissue and a lot of people have
different theories about them.

(40:51):
I'm not going to spew just likemy own theories out of a vacuum.
I'm just going to look at theastrology here and tell you
there's two things going on.
Potentially Number one, saturn,is in Pisces, so it's not
impossible that some of thesedrones are originating from like
some kind of base on the water.
Maybe not, but also with Plutoopposing the World War II, pluto

(41:15):
I've talked about this foryears now.
When Pluto's in Aquarius, it'slike going to highlight the
whole idea of nuclear andnuclear power and nuclear
reactors and radioactivity,because Pluto is associated with
nuclear power number one.
But the reason in Aquarius it'sso significant is because,
again, it's creating a hardaspect to the two-degree Pluto
and Leo, which you know waspresent in the World War II

(41:38):
chart in 1939.
So, you know, I've just alwaysfelt like Pluto and Aquarius is
going to bring up this idea ofnuclear and, you know, russia is

(41:59):
oftentimes implicated inhistory when, like, we have
these like Saturn-Neptuneconjunctions that are coming up
here.
So I think that there is apossibility and I have heard
this in the Twitterverseessentially but like it kind of
makes sense that maybe thesedrones are commissioned by the
government to look forradioactive material to detect
that I mean, that's totallypossible.
Like, when I heard that story Iwas like, yeah, I mean that

(42:21):
kind of checks with what I'vebeen saying and predicting.
Now there was some somethingabout how this originated in
Ukraine.
I don't know, I'm not a foreignpolicy expert and I'm not
tracking these stories closelyenough to make any claims about
that.
But you know, certainly, withalso Saturn in Pisces and
Neptune in Pisces ruling overtoxins in the environment with

(42:42):
Pisces, you have to wonder ifthese drones are trying to
detect something in theenvironment.
Like, maybe this is abiochemical issue.
And I'm not trying to createfear, I just think that this,
you know needs to be talkedabout, might actually be trying
to help us and trying to findsomething in the environment
that is actually very toxic,that they don't want to create

(43:03):
alarm around by warning peopleabout it, like without knowing
for sure if it's present.
So you're not going to see aPSA about hey, like we might be
all living in this radioactivesoup or something that's causing
all these cancers.
They're not just going to comeout and say that, so they're
going to be very covert about it.
These cancers they're not justgoing to come out and say that,
so they're going to be verycovert about it.
So, yeah, I mean Saturn,neptune and Pisces.

(43:24):
This is a lot about healthAgain.
Even the drones thing couldcome back to health.
Yes, it could be someextraterrestrial thing, but
probably not right.
Like when I watch these videos,I'm like this is definitely not
like UAPs in that sense, and alot of these videos, by the way,
are either fabricated or theseare people who are literally
just taking videos ofhelicopters and they just

(43:46):
clearly have never seen ahelicopter in their life.
I mean a lot of this stuff isjust absolute drivel.
I mean, don't believe what yousee right now on social media
Just because a video has 100,000likes on TikTok doesn't mean
that there's any validity to it.
Also, you know, something I wantto highlight here with the
drones and the Luigi case isthat I think while Pluto is an

(44:08):
Aquarius, increasingly we willsee like advances in technology
that become like they're.
So these leaps are so advancedthat they almost become
dangerous to society.
So like these leaps are soadvanced that they almost become
dangerous to society.
So, like you know, he 3Dprinted his gun.
The drones are theoreticallyinterfering with airspace.
Like technology is.

(44:29):
You know, there's pros and consto technology and when Pluto
has been in Aquarius,historically there have been
major advances in weaponry andweapons technology.
There have been major advancesin weaponry and weapons
technology.
So when pluto's in aquarius nowit's like we're going to have
all these cyber offensive anddefensive systems, cyber

(44:49):
technology, drones, 3d printing,potentially even like psychic
attacks.
You know, neural link may beadvantageous for someone who's
trying to overcome paralysis,but it also, could, like
literally help a company likehack your mind.
So there's going to be thesetechnologies that are very
fascinating but also verydestructive.

(45:10):
And also social media itself isbeing seen as this amazing
marketplace of ideas, which Ipersonally tout as a good thing.
I mean, I believe that socialmedia is a good thing.
I believe that we should honorfree speech and all these things
for the most part.
Like, I believe that, like youknow, the free speech thing is

(45:31):
like something I don't want tolike totally venture into right
now.
I understand that there areexamples of where someone says
something that you know likeyelling fire in a crowded
theater.
Like there's examples where youknow, just saying whatever you
want can be problematic.
But, like, what I'm saying is Igenerally believe that we
should allow for a free exchangeof ideas, a free marketplace of

(45:53):
ideas.
Right, we should have access toinformation that benefits us or
at least helps us explore, justlike beliefs, ideas.
My Mars, gemini, is alwaysgoing to believe that people
should have access to a range ofideas and they can arrive at
the truth through those ideas.
Like we should not have peoplelike regulating what can and
can't be said because that isdangerous in the hands of the

(46:15):
wrong people.
But with Pluto being an Aquariusnow, one of the dominant themes
will be again, really, reallypromising technology that gets
in the wrong hands or is paintedas dangerous and then is
regulated and taken out of thesociety.
That is going to be a push andpull effect throughout this

(46:36):
Pluto and Aquarius transit, andso, really, just like, have a
clear set of values aroundtechnology, like AI, for example
, should it be allowed todisplace jobs?
Or should AI be allowed tobecome sentient in a way where
it can strategize with other AIbeings and decide to?
Maybe there will be eventuallya government coup propagated by

(47:00):
AI?
I mean, technology is reachingthis sort of escape velocity,
right, where it kind of doeshave a mind of its own, but it's
also increasingly powerful inthe wrong hands and the right
hands.
So, you know, regulation oflike technology is going to be

(47:21):
like front and center over thenext 19 years.
Like that will be one of thedominant themes.
But remember, no matter what,like, whether it's drones or
this UnitedHealthcare situation,there is a backdrop of health,
health, pollution, toxins, youknow, in the environment, right,
like this is all.
Like you know, we're all tryingto figure this out.

(47:43):
Why are cancer rates so high?
Why is the life expectancydropping, declining?
I mean like this is allhappening before our eyes.
And like, are we the frogs inboiling water?
Right, like this is reallyserious.
I mean, increasing amounts ofyoung people are getting cancers
and, with Mars retrograde inLeo, I'm guaranteeing you, like
cardiac issues are going to behighlighted.
There's going to be questionsaround like what's in our blood

(48:07):
and why are young people havingheart issues so young?
I mean these are legitimatequestions to be asking and
there's a bevy of potentialcauses that I'm not going to
explore right now.
There's a bevy of potentialcauses that I'm not going to
explore right now.

(48:30):
But, yeah, I mean this is we'realso dealing with, you know,
even Saturn semi-square to Plutoright now, pretty much for the
first time since, I believe, mayof this year.
I mean that Pluto Saturnsemi-square is like one of the
first major aspects since theSaturn Pluto conjunction, which
happened in early 2020.
So we're almost seeing howmaybe sedentary lifestyles, even
during the lockdown, areleading to some, you know,

(48:54):
unsavory outcomes.
I think there's a lot of otherthings going on too, but like,
anyways, I wanted to justprovide that context.
And then, finally, the wintersolstice is on December 21st and
I will be publishing anewsletter about this, so do
check out my sub stack for thatand all my previous, you know,

(49:14):
newsletters, which again cover alot of detail about and that's
where all my predictions are andit covers details about the new
and full moons, retrogradecycles, and I also provide
manifestation guides, releaserituals, journal prompts.
So, again, be sure to subscribeto my sub stack.
But for this winter solstice, weare seeing, luckily, pluto not

(49:35):
being in sorry, not being inCapricorn for the first time in
17 years during the wintersolstice, when the sun is in
Capricorn.
So for the cardinal signs, thisis unimpeded restoration, a
revitalization of your goals.
You're getting that spark backand, yeah, I mean it's a
wonderful solstice to set yourgoals for at least the next six

(49:57):
months.
You know so that during thesummer solstice, to set your
goals for at least the next sixmonths, you know so that during
the summer solstice June 20th of2025, you know you're really
having a peak experience, you'rereaching a pinnacle, you're
reaching a major milestone andcelebrating that.
So, on the winter solstice, thisis when the sun, at least in
the northern hemisphere, the sunis, you know, at its southern

(50:18):
most point in the horizon.
We have minimal daylight.
In the northern hemisphere, thesun is, you know, at its
southernmost point in thehorizon.
We have minimal daylight.
In the northern hemisphere.
The sun is over, you know, overthe Tropic of Capricorn.
There and when the sunrepresents the spirit, right,
because it rises and sets everyday, it is consistent.
And so, with the sunrepresenting our spirit, our
vitality, our goals, ourambitions, our spirit, our
vitality, our goals, ourambitions, the logos, conscious

(50:42):
mind it is, you know, obviouslyit's something that it needs to
be kept alive.
It represents that eternalspirit.
But when it dims, starts toalmost dim out during the winter
solstice, there's a feeling oflike foreboding that, oh my gosh
, is the sun dying, is this thedying of the light?
But every winter solstice itstarts to climb back to the

(51:04):
north and that represents theagain, the revitalization, the
rebirth, the resurrection.
And as we my substack myforthcoming post to get the

(51:26):
horoscopes for how you canprepare for this particular
solstice.
But on this winter solstice,remember that Pluto is no longer
in Capricorn, so thetransformation journey of Pluto
being in Capricorn in the last16 years is no longer I mean it
has concluded.
So with this winter solsticeit's like okay, what kind of
spark do you want to create inthe Capricorn ruled house of

(51:48):
your chart, unimpeded by Pluto?
Now you know how can you createthat spark again without having
to maybe worry as much aboutthese sort of like sudden
collapses or moments ofdestruction that Pluto can bring
about.
But also look at the Piscesruled house of your chart,
because the Sun is beingdisposited by Saturn in Pisces

(52:13):
and Saturn shows us where wehave to dedicate slow and steady
effort towards something afterthis winter solstice.
So Saturn demands sacrifice.
It is about delayedgratification, and so look to
the Pisces house of your chartsto see where you are chiseling
away at your goals and where youare mastering something and
overcoming delays and challenges.
So again, look to the sub stackfor the details around that.

(52:38):
But I think this winter solsticecan be very powerful again in
the sense that the sun is notreally forming any negative
aspects.
You know it's not like it wasin Sag when it was squaring
Saturn, squaring Neptune.
You know it's just squaring thelunar nodes around this time
actually.
So if anything, this is a resetand a pivot and again a spark

(53:03):
of life in that mercilessdarkness where you know you are
remembering that you have a lifeforce and that you have this
eternal flame inside you thatwill not die out.
So reaffirm that.
Reaffirm that this flame willnot die out and reaffirm that
you can have a peak experienceby the summer solstice, with a

(53:24):
midpoint check-in, by the way,on the spring equinox, march
20th.
So reverse engineer from thatgoal.
Where do you want to be June20th?
How do you get there?
Well, you create the spark inthe Capricorn ruled house and
you work steadily in the Piscesruled house of your chart.
So I know I cover a lot ofground today.

(53:44):
I hope this podcast is reallyvaluable to you.
Thank you again for supportingme.
I know I took a few weeks offin between seasons, but I
appreciate those of you who havecome back and returned to
listen to this episode and myfuture episodes.
Don't forget, by the way, todownload my 2025 horoscopes.
That's going to give you a lotof details, including, you know,

(54:04):
some details that you couldutilize, you know, on your
ascent to the summer solstice,so you know.
Those videos also cover the newand full moons, again, the key
retrograde dates.
I do a custom ranking of eachmonth for your zodiac sign, so
definitely don't sleep on thosehoroscopes.
They will really help you carveout a path to success in 2025.

(54:27):
And it's a crazy year.
We have all the planets all theouter planets and social
planets pretty much shiftingsigns.
Most of them are shifting intoa fire or air sign.
So things are going to happenfast and you're not gonna be
able to necessarily plan in themoment, last minute, so plan
ahead with these horoscopes.
So, anyways, thank you so much.
I'm Evan Nathaniel Grimm and Iwill see you on the next episode

(54:49):
, take care.
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