October 15, 2025 • 38 mins
The Great Work Debate: UK vs. US - Job Interviews, Firing & Benefits!
Join Jerry and Matt in this hilarious yet insightful discussion as they dive deep into the world of work in the UK and the US. From awkward job interviews and getting fired on the spot, to vacation time and pension plans, they cover all the nitty-gritty details. Ever wondered why Americans can sue so easily or why UK workers are obsessed with tea breaks? Get ready for a rollercoaster of banter, unexpected stories, and a sprinkling of dodgy advice. Whether you're looking for career tips or just a good laugh, this episode has got you covered!
00:00 Introduction and Greetings
00:34 Travel and Holiday Plans
01:25 Parenting and Vacation Realities
01:52 Humorous Banter and Regional Stereotypes
06:08 Celebrity Talk and Awkward Segues
09:05 Work and Job Interview Experiences
18:24 A Nightmare Interview Experience
18:57 Navigating Job Interviews
20:03 The Interview Process: Then and Now
22:07 First Day on the Job
23:27 Job Security and At-Will Employment
28:14 Vacation and Time Off
32:26 Understanding Pensions and 401(k)s
36:46 Quitting Your Job: Notice Periods
38:23 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
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Matt (00:08):
Good afternoon.
Good morning, Jerry.
How are you?
Jerry (00:10):
Good.
How are you, Matt?
Matt (00:12):
Yeah, what, what episode are we on now?
Is it 7, 8, 9?
Oh, no, it's four.
Just four.
It's four.
We're still here.
The police haven't been aroundto arrest us yet, so,
Jerry (00:22):
The fourth
Matt (00:23):
but then I don't think, yeah, but I don't think they're
one of the two people that havelistened to it, so that's
probably why.
Yeah,
Jerry (00:30):
It'll, it'll get to them eventually, I'm sure.
Matt (00:33):
it'll get filtered through.
So how's your week been?
Jerry (00:35):
Uh, it's been a good week.
A lot of travel for work, uh,but we are back home, so how
about yourself?
Matt (00:41):
Uh, yeah, as you know, I went down to Cornwall the
weekend.
I was hoping we could do anepisode from there
Jerry (00:45):
Yeah,
Matt (00:46):
I was next the Atlantic, but we've had to push back, uh,
recording this week.
So we'll be doing a double thisweek.
So let's hope by the end of theweek we're just not completely
dry on what we have to talkabout.
'cause it's pretty dry to startwith.
So
Jerry (00:57):
it
Matt (00:57):
we're not starting, we're not starting.
Great as it starts.
So let's see.
Um.
But yeah, no, it's a decent,decent week.
Uh, I'm off on holiday next weekas well, so that's another
reason why we've gotta double upthis week.
Yeah, so I'm off to Dubai onMonday,
Jerry (01:11):
Ooh,
Matt (01:12):
so, so we'll not be film sunbathing.
Drinking alcohol, obviouslythat's frowned upon, um, putting
the kids in kids club,
Jerry (01:21):
Very good.
That's
Matt (01:22):
by the pool, drink and alcohol.
Jerry (01:23):
right.
Matt (01:25):
What else do you do on holiday when you've got kids?
Jerry (01:28):
Uh, suffer one, um,
Matt (01:30):
Yep.
Jerry (01:31):
have fun historically.
Matt (01:33):
Yeah,
Jerry (01:33):
Uh, and go to the pool.
Matt (01:34):
same, same stuff.
Same stuff you do at home, butjust with a pool, basically.
Jerry (01:40):
No,
Matt (01:40):
Yeah, yeah.
Jerry (01:40):
can still take your kids on vacation.
It's just ruined now.
That's it.
Matt (01:45):
Hmm.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You can go anywhere you want avacation.
It's just, it's just shittierthan it would've been without
one.
It's,
Jerry (01:50):
And double the
Matt (01:51):
yeah.
Jerry (01:51):
What are you gonna do, you know?
Matt (01:52):
Yeah, it's it's strange though, isn't it?
You are.
'cause you are, it's double theprice for two reasons.
'cause A, you're taking twoother people with you and also
you're going in a time which ismore expensive'cause you have to
go to school holidays, so,
Jerry (02:05):
No, it's, it's terrible.
The problem is that I love them.
If I didn't love them, it wouldbe a lot easier.
Matt (02:10):
oh, it's be much easier.
Yeah.
So basically anyone that'slistening, um, that hasn't got
kids, um, don't basically,
Jerry (02:18):
that's
Matt (02:18):
there you go.
That's it.
That's a parenting advice.
Yeah,
Jerry (02:21):
anything away from this podcast,
Matt (02:24):
yeah.
Yeah.
If you've, if you've saved or ifyou've saved up, uh,$10,000 to
have a reverse on a vasectomy'cause you're thinking about
having some children, um, Iwould say take that$10,000 and
go to the Maldives.
Yeah.
Because those memories will lastforever, aren't they?
Jerry (02:43):
to Dubai and Sunbath naked with some alcohol, as Matt
will be doing shortly.
Matt (02:47):
Yeah.
I think.
Two of those things are probablyillegal.
Um,
Jerry (02:51):
Which
Matt (02:51):
one of them's allowed in the hotel, but one of them's
not.
Jerry (02:55):
I would,
Matt (02:56):
It's a,
Jerry (02:56):
is it because you're not allowed around the school zone?
Where's the hotel?
Matt (03:01):
well, the hotel's in Dubai, but you, so yes.
It's, it is, it's not.
So just to confirm, it's not adry nudist hotel.
It's a regular hotel, but theyallow drinking, so it's just,
it's gonna be, yeah.
Do you think, I've never been toa nudist hotel.
Firstly, do they exist?
I imagine they do.
And then secondly, I assumethey're adults only.
They don't have a kids club.
(03:21):
Do they
Jerry (03:21):
afraid where this conversation's going, but I'll,
I'll still rock with it.
Right.
Um,
Matt (03:26):
entertain me?
Jerry (03:27):
so.
I mean, I know in Florida theyhave'em for sure.
Matt (03:30):
It is in nudist hotels.
Jerry (03:32):
hotels, they have nudist
Matt (03:33):
But
Jerry (03:33):
as well.
Matt (03:35):
but, and this is a very silly question, but they are
adults only, aren't they?
Jerry (03:38):
would hope so.
I, I, I think so.
Matt (03:41):
Yeah, I, I, as I say out loud, it's, it's, I mean, if
not, the police should just bewaiting outside that hotel.
It's like, it's just like a traproom, isn't it?
As, as they get off the, off thebus.
Just get straight into thepolice car.
Jerry (03:53):
Uh, I mean, that might be a good idea for, uh, to catch a
predator.
I don't know if that's, do youhave to catch a predator on, uh,
in the uk?
Matt (04:01):
No.
So what we have is we have, uh,short clips on Instagram of
people.
Just do it themselves.
So we to catch a predator as anactual, a sanctioned show by the
police.
I think the police were in on itand they did all the filming.
What we have is just vigilantes,which, uh, pretend to be young
people online, invite them over,and then sit and arrest them,
Jerry (04:26):
Right, right.
Matt (04:27):
which obviously sits in rent.
Jerry (04:29):
you couldn't really do it in the UK because all of
Manchester would be arrested.
But anyways,
Matt (04:34):
You really are trying to stop our Northern listeners,
aren't you?
I dunno what you've got with it.
Jerry (04:40):
it's a
Matt (04:41):
I mean, we don't,
Jerry (04:41):
the country.
The North, I.
Matt (04:43):
we don't, we don't have a big listener base, but you're
already taken out a couple ofmillion there.
They just automatically don'twanna listen.
Jerry (04:50):
Listen, if there's one thing, the Northerners love is
good banter, so they mightappreciate it.
Who
Matt (04:54):
Yeah.
So last week it was Liverpool'sDon't Work
Jerry (04:56):
That's right.
Yeah,
Matt (04:57):
liver Poland.
And, and this week it'smancunian's are pedophiles.
Jerry (05:01):
exactly.
A good
Matt (05:03):
What's next week?
Jerry (05:03):
Yeah.
Matt (05:04):
Uh, Birmingham.
Jerry (05:05):
we'll, we'll figure it
Matt (05:06):
Yeah.
People from nor like to have sexwith their relatives.
That's,
Jerry (05:11):
north?
Matt (05:12):
uh, it's a good question.
So, to anyone, uh, from the M 20South M 25?
Yes.
Jerry (05:19):
Okay.
Matt (05:20):
Uh, technically it's the Midlands and it's called, and
because it's the Midlands, it'sobviously the middle of the
land.
It's, it's not, it's halfway,but, but to some of us, we go,
yeah, you're sort of up, you'reup north.
'cause you have to travel upnorth to get there.
So you're northern,
Jerry (05:35):
yeah.
But that's like
Matt (05:36):
you're not, you're not.
Jerry (05:36):
and Hove saying, London's, you know, folks in
London are northerners.
Matt (05:40):
Yeah.
But that's just, that's just,that's fucked up, isn't it?
Because that's not, you know,
Jerry (05:43):
Yeah.
Matt (05:45):
it's, it's London Central.
And then anything south for thatSouthern,
Jerry (05:50):
People from Birmingham seem normal to me.
That's why immediately placethem in the Northerner category.
Matt (05:56):
yeah.
But who do you know fromBirmingham?
Jerry (05:59):
Work related.
Um, just out and about, metpeople from Birmingham.
It's a big city, man.
Still haven't
Matt (06:06):
Let's look.
Jerry (06:07):
We must go.
Matt (06:09):
So, so obviously famous Birmingham, people from
Birmingham, the most famousAussie Osborne.
God rest his soul.
I've never said he is comeacross as a normal person
though.
Um, I mean that was his nicheand that's what he sold himself
on.
Jerry (06:22):
talented.
Matt (06:24):
Yep.
Uh,
Jerry (06:25):
Very
Matt (06:26):
who else we've got, we've got
Jerry (06:27):
well, but you know.
Matt (06:29):
Kenny Baker, uh, he played R 2D two in Star Wars.
Jerry (06:33):
No idea who that is.
Matt (06:35):
Christine Mc v's.
From there.
So she was in Fleetwood Mac, soI did not know that.
Um,
Jerry (06:40):
Nothing.
Matt (06:42):
ti uh, Alison Hammond, you, you're not aware of her.
That's for our British, Britishfans.
Um, and that, that's it.
If, if fifth on the list it'sgiving is Alison Hammond, then,
then we know that.
Yeah.
Jerry (06:55):
the conversation of you trying to introduce me to steps
from Liverpool and I'm
Matt (07:01):
So,
Jerry (07:01):
I
Matt (07:01):
so step,
Jerry (07:01):
these people
Matt (07:02):
so steps Steps aren't from Liverpool.
They are,
Jerry (07:06):
Are you sure?
Matt (07:08):
yeah.
Yeah.
So, so they are from all overthe place.
So one guy was from Wows.
Jerry (07:13):
Uh.
Matt (07:15):
another guy is from Chester.
That's not far, that's nothelping me out there.
Uh, another girl is from, whereis she from?
Jerry (07:27):
We need a, we need
Matt (07:28):
She's, she,
Jerry (07:29):
Equi equivalent of Jamie just to like pull up facts
randomly for us.
Matt (07:33):
uh, so, so there's one guy, he's Welsh, but so recently
in the news and obviously Idon't really like to talk about,
uh, we tried to steal away fromthe child abuse stories.
So I dunno if you heard, uh, didyou hear the weekend?
A prolific pedophile gotmurdered in prison over here.
Jerry (07:54):
No.
What's going on?
Matt (07:55):
Alright, so was in a band in the early two thousands,
quite big.
Had some big hits.
It turned out he did somehorrific stuff, which we can't
even talk about on a podcast,but mainly child abuse.
Went to prison quite rightly.
He got stabbed in the neck onSaturday and killed.
Jerry (08:13):
Great news.
Matt (08:13):
He shares, but he shares the same name with someone from
steps, which makes me feel verysorry for this guy from steps
because he is in steps firstly,but also, I mean.
Jerry (08:26):
You know what I'm saying?
Matt (08:28):
No, but it's, it's, it's basically, so Ian Watkins is the
guy that, that got murdered, butIan from Steps, he has to go by
Ian h Watkins, just in caseanyone's confusing him with a
prolific pedophile.
So they're not thinking.
Jerry (08:43):
man.
Matt (08:43):
Oh, I like those steps.
That's some good songs with 5,6, 7, 8.
But it's the child abuse i, I, Istruggle to get past.
It's a completely differentpeople.
It's not like he left steps togo and join a rock band and then
become a pedophile.
Jerry (08:55):
Yeah.
Matt (08:56):
different people.
But yeah, one of them is now,one of'em is now dead.
Uh, one of them is, uh, insteps, which you might as well
be dead sometimes.
So.
Jerry (09:05):
Matt, I feel like this is gonna be a great segue, uh, to
our current topic today.
Matt (09:12):
Child abuse of being dead.
Jerry (09:14):
We got here
Matt (09:16):
So our, our topic date is actually work.
So I dunno how, how we'refinding that as a segue into
that.
I think we need to practicesegues and
Jerry (09:25):
do.
Matt (09:25):
Google what a segue is.
Maybe just look up what a segue
Jerry (09:27):
gonna just,
Matt (09:27):
is.
Is it,
Jerry (09:28):
you Google
Matt (09:29):
is it,
Jerry (09:29):
is
Matt (09:30):
can you, can you please?
Yeah.
Well, the complete oppositesegue, so I don't listen to Mr.
Beast, does he have a guy calledJamie that just Google stuff and
tells him facts in his ears?
Joe Rogan.
Sorry.
Not, not, not Mr.
Beast.
Jerry (09:42):
Wait, who?
Who are
Matt (09:42):
All right.
Mr.
Beast.
Jerry (09:45):
Mr.
Beast?
I don't even know if he has apodcast.
might.
Matt (09:49):
dunno.
I, he's some, he's online.
Um,
Jerry (09:51):
Yeah.
Matt (09:51):
other podcasts I talk to, they just, they just Google it
while they're talking because,yeah.
Which, you know, we don't havea, we don't have a Jamie, so
that's what we do.
Jerry (09:59):
Not yet.
We will
Matt (10:00):
Not yet.
Not yet.
One day we'll be thereinterviewing, uh, Ian h Watkins
from Steps.
Jerry (10:07):
right.
Matt (10:08):
He'll be in the studio with us while we Google stuff.
So what are we talking about?
Work?
Yeah.
So do you work?
I
Jerry (10:15):
I do work.
I do work.
Are, are you comfortable sharingwhat we do for work before we
Matt (10:20):
we, uh.
Jerry (10:21):
men?
Matt (10:23):
I think we can go into what we do, but we just don't go
into company names becauseagain, so I'm, I'm a project
manager, very office based, veryrun of the mill.
For a lot of our listeners outthere, they probably do same
sort of things.
Clerical, clerical, office basedstuff, nine to five, work from
home, couple of days a weekyourself.
Jerry (10:41):
Yes, I am a managing director at a foreign exchange
firm.
Um, managing sales operations.
Matt (10:49):
Very niche.
You've, you've gone, you've gota niche.
I kept mine broad so we could,you know, stay relatable to our
listeners.
You've gone very niche, so.
Jerry (10:55):
Should I just say I can, I can redo that real quick here.
Matt (10:58):
Yeah.
I mean, no,'cause we don't cuton this.
We, we, we rolling.
But again, for granted, I doknow one person that relates to
that, but that's, that'sdifferent.
That's'cause we've worked, we'veworked similar jobs before.
Jerry (11:09):
have,
Matt (11:09):
Um, so yeah, I suppose what we wanna talk about is the
difference between working inAmerica, working in the uk.
Um, let's go, we'll go throughthe job interview process.
We'll go through work life.
Do you drink at work?
What standard working hoursleave and that, and let's just,
we'll just compare that.
'cause I think, I think that'sdifferent.
So I think we should start, wehaven't got the jobs yet.
We're talking about jobinterviews now.
(11:30):
Talk me through a typical startto end US job application
process.
Like the time, what you have todo.
Jerry (11:38):
Yep.
So you're, you're eitherapplying online or recruiters
reaching out to you on LinkedInor something within that realm.
And the interview process itselfis really about the candidate
boasting, right?
So what have you accomplished?
Um, what targets do you have,have you reached them?
How do, how well do you workwith others?
(11:59):
Um, it, it's really.
Even if it's not a sales job,you are selling yourself to some
capacity.
Right?
Um, and just trying to makeyourself stand out from all the
candidates.
What, what, what does the UK
Matt (12:12):
same.
So it's the same here.
I mean, obviously they alwayssay when they ask you a
question, the most typical oneis the star response, the
situation, task, action result.
And they all, I hear thingslike, don't say we did this.
Always say I did this.
So.
I mean, there's times thatdoesn't work.
(12:33):
Like, you know, you don't wannasay as a company, I brought the
company down or I, I was, I was,I was part of a large global
scandal.
I dunno.
But yes, it's very much that.
Um, I find that job interviewsare a lot more relaxed than they
used to be.
Uh.
Jerry (12:52):
they're still very intense here.
Matt (12:54):
Yeah, I've had some and they, they just felt like casual
chats and they've rung me up andsaid, yeah, okay, your next
round.
And it's just, okay.
Jerry (13:01):
Yeah,
Matt (13:01):
But
Jerry (13:02):
I've interviewed for UK firms in the US I feel like the,
the recruiter is essentiallylooking for a rockstar.
And in the UK they just wantsomebody that doesn't embarrass
them at the Christmas party.
That's, that's the, that's theprerequisite.
Matt (13:18):
it is that, and someone they can go, then they can go
for a beer with.
Jerry (13:20):
Exactly.
Exactly.
Matt (13:22):
if, if I'm, if I'm hiring, I'm thinking, can I spend eight
hours a day with this person andactually talk to'em about
something I wanna talk about?
I don't care.
They can do the job or not.
I just wanna be able to talk to,yeah.
Um, have you got any, and thishas to be yourself, anyone, you
know, any bad interview stories?
Jerry (13:39):
Oh.
Matt (13:39):
Oh
Jerry (13:39):
mean, I've, I've been, um, I've been pretty solid.
I have interview stories withfolks that I've interviewed.
I.
Matt (13:47):
yeah, let's go with that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jerry (13:49):
that have, that have given me some pretty wild
responses.
So I think a very typicalresponse, sorry, a very typical
question would be, Hey, where doyou see yourself in 2, 3, 5
years?
Um, and I think the worst answerI've ever gotten was hopefully
still employed, so that thatdoesn't really set the bar too
high uh,
Matt (14:10):
hopefully it's the hopefully, isn't it?
Yeah.
I'm trying to think of any thatI've in, I've had some that've
just been, but they've just beenbad candidates, so that's, you
know, that's not on them.
That's just, they're justterrible people.
And, you know, punching high.
Jerry (14:23):
Yeah.
Matt (14:24):
some, for myself, I think one, I, I don't think I wanted
the job.
I think I've been maderedundant, so I was just, you
know, you go that you just, youapply for a hundred jobs
Jerry (14:33):
Yeah.
Matt (14:33):
trying to net an interview.
And they were telling me aboutthe job, and it just sounded so
boring.
It was nothing about, it soundedexciting.
The people sounded very dry, andI was thinking, I don't, I don't
want this job.
But it came across my bodylanguage.
I started just sort of sittingthere, just like swinging in the
chair left to right, and thatcame back in.
The feedback that, and they saidhe didn't seem very interested.
(14:56):
He was swinging in his chair.
I was like, okay, well I've,I've done my job there.
Jerry (15:00):
seven years.
Matt (15:02):
Years now, ironically it was with a swinging chair
company.
So, um, one of my favorite onesbits of feedback and I've
actually, I might print thisfeedback out'cause I have it in
email.
So I interviewed with a company.
In a very similar, um, similarindustry to what I've worked
many years in.
Same, same role, same sort ofcompany.
(15:22):
It was like a competitorbasically.
So basically it was like I was,they could copy and paste me
into this job.
I, I knew sort of everythingabout that and they, I
interviewed with a load ofpeople.
It went really well.
They.
Then the fee, I didn't hearanything.
A couple of weeks I chased forfeedback.
I was saying, right.
It's been weeks now, I haven'tgot the job, but I just wanna
(15:43):
know why.
'cause it was basically, I wasprobably one of the best
candidates for it.
And the feedback come back when,uh, Matt is technically perfect
for this job.
He's his experience for making,from day one, be able to hit the
ground running, but we're justnot sure if he was a right fit
for the team.
So basically that came acrossfor us.
He's great, but we don't likehim.
Jerry (16:04):
The guy can do the job.
Shit.
Personality though, my goodness.
Matt (16:08):
Yeah, it is absolutely tosser, but you know.
Jerry (16:10):
if it
Matt (16:11):
Yeah.
And it was like, what?
Jerry (16:12):
I think you have a fantastic personality.
I hope that helps.
Matt (16:15):
Yeah, but you think I'm shitting my job a another good
story I heard was actually thisone doesn't involve, yeah, this
one doesn't involve me.
A friend told me this one, so.
And this goes on to our next,our next part of the topic
because do you ever lie on yourcv?
Jerry (16:29):
Yeah,
Matt (16:31):
Yes or no?
I mean, you're worried.
Jerry (16:33):
I mean,
Matt (16:34):
I mean, I mean, you've taught me this.
You should, you've got, you'vegotta up the numbers, haven't
you?
You kind of rookie numbers outthere.
Could you?
There's rookie numbers.
Yeah.
Jerry (16:40):
you
Matt (16:41):
So
Jerry (16:41):
that you've jerked off?
You gotta put out Those arerookie
Matt (16:45):
it's under per personal hobbies, isn't it?
Um.
See, I didn't used to do thatand I wasn't getting job
interviews.
Um, I've had it before whereI've let chat EPT, just do my
cv, send it off in theinterview, but it's, it's just
put random shit in there thatI've done.
I didn't read it.
I had the interview and they'regoing, oh.
So apparently you, you've gotexperience with this system.
(17:07):
I don't have I
Jerry (17:08):
Have I?
Matt (17:09):
since when.
Jerry (17:09):
That's
Matt (17:10):
Yeah, but one of my friends, um, he, he really
overcooked his cv'cause it wasfor like a, like an, yeah, it
was like a next level up.
So we're talking like a, like anearly a C-suite level job.
Jerry (17:22):
Yeah.
Matt (17:23):
And he got an interview for it and it was, I think the,
I think he said the interviewlast lasted about two minutes.
So basically they got in theinterview, looked at his CV and
they went.
With him in on teams, whatever.
I don't think it was in person,it was on teams and they just
went openly.
How did this guy get in front ofus and they just called it a day
(17:46):
and let him go.
Jerry (17:47):
let's, let's.
Matt (17:49):
Yeah, I think, I think we, we've got half hour free now and
our diaries guys, we can backthis up.
Let's go.
Jerry (17:54):
someone in HR definitely got fired that day,
Matt (17:57):
Yeah, definitely.
I've been in a job interview andthey didn't know it was a, they
were a job, it was an interview.
They didn't realize they wereinterviewing me, so.
Again, I get an interview, theyjoin, they think I'm just an
employee, a new employee, andit's like an introduction.
Jerry (18:12):
right.
Matt (18:13):
and they went, so like, I can't remember what the job
title was, but they went, oh,you are only sort of product
manager.
Uh, just introduce ourselves.
It's like, no, this is a jobinterview.
You are interviewing me for adifferent role.
And they were like, oh, so theyweren't prepared and they were
then pissed off that they wereon the back foot and they were
just being really shitty to meand asking me these sort of
questions, which, and they'd askme these questions and go, oh,
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so what would you know aboutLinux coding?
And I would say, well, as a roleas a project manager, absolutely
nothing.
I wouldn't expect to do that.
So then they're pissed offagain.
So I was like, you don't evenknow the job spec.
So I gave my feedback to therecruiter after I went, I, they
didn't know they wereinterviewing me.
It was a really bad experience.
I didn't get the job.
So how I'm employed, I do notknow
Jerry (18:57):
Yeah.
Listen, that's, I've never, I'venever been in such a horrendous
situation.
I
Matt (19:01):
Now I've been in loads.
Loads,
Jerry (19:02):
them the entire time at a certain point.
Matt (19:05):
yeah.
There was a point when I wasthinking again, I think I was,
didn't have a job.
So there's times when.
You have to be online.
I just need a job.
But when I've got a job and it'san interview and I don't like
it, then yeah, I'm gonna havesome fun with it.
Then at this point, it's, you'vegot that safety net, haven't
you?
Jerry (19:21):
Right.
Matt (19:22):
confidence.
Jerry (19:23):
I.
I just, you know, I think I knowhow to play the game.
'cause I, I've, I've managed allthe questions already, right?
I, I've been through
Matt (19:30):
Yeah.
Jerry (19:31):
Here it's, it's really just about boasting yourself and
we have an open door policy,right.
That, that's a big sort ofrecruitment specialty that we
say to candidates versus in theUK it's, closed.
Please knock.
Right.
It, it's just, you got, you justgotta know the
Matt (19:48):
Yeah, it, it is open door, but the door's closed and you
need to knock.
Yeah, and, and wait.
You have to book an appointmentand then I'll wait outside the
open door and then I'll come andopen the open door for you.
Jerry (19:58):
And wait till I have my second tea and then we can chat.
Matt (20:01):
Yeah.
Okay.
So there's the interview.
So then what's the process fromstart to finish?
So when you apply for a job, um,what's a, what's your then
length to get an, an offer?
Let's not talk about noticeperiod.
'cause they, they're different.
But your offer is that sort ofweeks, months.
Jerry (20:20):
Yeah, it's, it's a good question.
I, I think that before we get tothe offer, I feel like maybe 15
years ago, it used to be maybethree rounds max.
Now interviews are five, sixrounds.
Um, and then you have to waitfor an offer maybe two, three
weeks later after they've sortof sorted all of the candidates
out and filtered out who theythink, is sort of their top tier
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to level two, level three.
Matt (20:45):
Okay.
Um, see, I get that.
I always feel it's.
They're just, they put the offerout to others and then they
might say no.
And that's why,'cause whenyou've had that final interview,
if you haven't heard for acouple of weeks, they're like,
oh, we're still gettingfeedback.
I always think, well, you'veoffered to someone else but
you're waiting to see.
'cause you probably would'veoffered that within a week or
two.
Jerry (21:02):
Yeah.
Matt (21:03):
So if, if they go, oh, we're still waiting for
feedback, two weeks later, youare waiting to see if that
person confirms before you leteveryone know.
Jerry (21:09):
Yeah.
To be fair, it also gives youleverage if you, um, if you are
number two or three that they'veasked, you can ask for more
money.
They're, they're sort of in abind.
They need someone to fill thatrole.
Matt (21:19):
Yeah, I suppose you don't know if they're another, you,
another two, but yeah, that's agood point, isn't it?
Yeah.
Um, yeah, I suppose it's about,I would say it's about four to
six weeks maybe from applying toactually maybe getting an offer.
Jerry (21:30):
Yeah.
Matt (21:31):
Yeah.
And then, then you'd notice aperiod, uh, normally about
three.
Obviously it depends on the job.
Maybe some senior ones, butnormally you might have your
screening call might be withtheir internal talent team.
Then you might have one with thehiring manager and then a second
one with someone else in theteam or senior manager.
And that's normally enough.
I've never had more than three
Jerry (21:51):
As you know, I've worked for a UK firm.
We worked together, uh, and itwas about the same three, four
years ago.
Matt (21:57):
quite tough for McDonald's drive through, I thought
personally, but you know,
Jerry (22:00):
Yeah, yeah.
It was, it was intense.
Matt (22:03):
it's.
Naming all the hamburger aschildren.
I don't know.
Jerry (22:07):
Matt, you have the job, you're
Matt (22:09):
Mm-hmm.
Jerry (22:09):
in first day.
What are
Matt (22:11):
Yeah.
For me or them,
Jerry (22:14):
for both?
Matt (22:15):
for me that week, I'm probably gonna be on my best
behavior.
Probably gonna look like I'mworking hard.
Not gonna leave early.
Jerry (22:22):
Yeah, yeah,
Matt (22:23):
That will soon.
That will soon change.
Especially post probation.
Right?
It.
But um, uh.
I think it's just acting,looking busy.
I'm probably gonna be dressed alot smarter than I would be for
the rest of my career there.
I'm very basically a veryreserved, a very different
person to what they get for therest of their time with me.
So it's, you know,
Jerry (22:43):
every day or are
Matt (22:44):
I.
Jerry (22:45):
French style?
What's, what's going on here?
Matt (22:47):
I mean, I mean as a, oh, okay.
The French cha now are gettingtracked into this.
Okay, fair enough.
Um, as a decent human being, Ishower every day anyway.
So even if I was unemployed andI'll sit in at home, I would
still get up and shower.
So, I mean, I dunno what you dowhen you work from home.
You bother having a shower
Jerry (23:03):
Oh, well, certainly not.
I'm just joking, obviously.
Yeah.
I just, I need to, I need to, Ineed, that's my wake up
essentially.
Matt (23:09):
that where you jerk off.
So you need to.
Jerry (23:11):
Yeah, yeah,
Matt (23:12):
Yeah, that shame off of you.
Okay, well that's good to know.
Jerry (23:16):
yeah.
Yeah.
Matt (23:17):
Um, so yes, we got, we've got the jobs now, I suppose
things like, okay, so thingsdon't go well.
You pass probation, but thingsgo badly quickly.
You can get fired in Americalike that, can't you?
It's like, thanks for coming,but you're gone.
Jerry (23:32):
even if you have a new job, you still go towards
interviews, right?
You, you, you always keep someoptions in the back burner.
Matt (23:39):
You always just have a couple of burners that you can,
so maybe every couple of monthsyou might just look for a job
and I give you applied for.
Yeah.
So what's your, if, if your, ifyour work decided today, we
don't want Jerry anymore, wouldyou be out the door today?
Jerry (23:53):
Of course, yeah.
Matt (23:54):
There's no HR process, no part law protection or anything
like that.
Jerry (23:58):
HR would probably the news, but that's it.
That's the
Matt (24:01):
I mean, I'm talking, I'm talking, you haven't done
anything wrong.
It's not, it's not firing fromgross misconduct.
They just decided we don't likeJerry, or we don't want his
department anymore.
Either or.
Either way, you could be gonethat day.
Jerry (24:12):
it's a great question.
Essentially, most employershere, or most employment here is
at will.
Matt (24:16):
Okay.
Explain.
Jerry (24:18):
Yeah.
So essentially
Matt (24:19):
I.
Jerry (24:19):
you sign your agreement to, to work for a firm in the
us, you're essentially an atwill employer or employee.
So they can fire you for anyreason at any time, or no reason
at all,
Matt (24:29):
You see that, that's harsh, isn't it?
It's, yeah.
I, I mean, I feel for peoplethat would relocate, so if I, if
I got a job in the States andrelocated out there, I could
literally move out there andthen one day and go, do you know
what?
You're gone.
Jerry (24:42):
Absolutely.
It's a huge risk.
It's a huge risk.
You, you have to get some, some,some items in writing, perhaps a
signing bonus, right?
Something to sort of sort youout before you get there.
Matt (24:52):
Yeah, so you just need that.
So you always need a little nestegg so you've got tied over.
See here if, if, again, ifthere's no sort of gross
misconduct, if work wanted getrid of me, there'd have to be
sort of a, uh, there'd have tobe a month sort of, uh.
Process of redundancy, or evenif it was work, my work wasn't
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good enough, it'd have to gothrough some sort of performance
review and things like that.
So you're looking at least offour, minimum four weeks, maybe
six weeks till till you'd begone.
So at least you've got that timeto start looking for a job.
Jerry (25:23):
Historically, we still do a performance improvement plan
or a performance review here.
Matt (25:27):
So.
Jerry (25:29):
but we don't have to.
That's, that's the scary part.
Matt (25:33):
Yeah, that's just them being nice to look nice.
'cause the, the stocks.
Yeah.
Jerry (25:37):
It's, it's to remove legal liability in the US you
can sue for anything unlike theuk.
So that is, I guess, sort ofthe, leverage that the employer
has or the employee, sorry.
Matt (25:48):
So, uh, see this is where I go.
So how can you sue if you are atwill and you can get fired
instantly, what sort ofscenarios could you sue'em back
for?
Jerry (25:57):
If you felt like, uh, you were being discriminated
against?
Matt (26:00):
Oh, okay.
Right.
Jerry (26:01):
Yeah.
A whole host of reasons.
Um,
Matt (26:03):
So there still things like, um, unfair dismissal.
Jerry (26:05):
Yeah.
Matt (26:06):
Right.
Okay.
Yeah.
You, you do like to sue.
That's, that's, it's kind oflike your go-to.
Jerry (26:12):
yeah, yeah.
The Americans, that's our,that's our favorite baseball and
suing.
We're
Matt (26:17):
Yeah.
But, but like, some of thesilliest cases you think
wouldn't win, end up winning.
You think, well, that's just seta really shitty precedent now
that that's,
Jerry (26:24):
Yeah,
Matt (26:25):
that's the go-to.
Jerry (26:26):
normally just settle, right?
So who, who wants to go througha lengthy trial or arbitration
process and, and these largecompanies, instead of paying
2030 K and legal fees, here's 10K.
Leave us alone.
Matt (26:39):
Yeah.
Where did I hear a story aboutsomeone dropping a watermelon
and they sued?
Because I don't think this wasin a film.
I think someone told me thisstory.
It was about, uh, so what it wassomeone come out of a.
Grocery store with a watermelon.
They dropped it on the road andI think then they, they either
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went to get it and got hit by acar.
So they sued the, the grocerystore for the watermelon being
two rounds that they couldn'thold it.
And they dropped it and theywon.
Jerry (27:12):
Yeah.
Matt (27:13):
And, and I remember asking, thinking, well, how the,
how the, how, how the fuck doesthat even work?
Jerry (27:18):
the level of roundness.
Matt (27:20):
It was because the shop had insurance and they went,
people just hate insurancecompanies.
They just think, well, fuck it.
The,
Jerry (27:28):
yeah, yeah.
Matt (27:28):
the insurance company's gonna pay out for that.
Jerry (27:30):
And I'm sure
Matt (27:31):
And we just hate insurance companies.
So that's why they always sidewith those, sort of, those
complaints, I think.
But that just doesn't make sense'cause it sets a, a really
shitty precedent now that if a,if a guy didn't have that
insurance, he was just running amelon stand from the side of the
road.
The another complaint could gowell.
Yeah, they sued for it.
So what's the saying?
These are around watermelons andthen that little guy with the
(27:54):
watermelon truck, he's gonna getsued.
Jerry (27:55):
I'll be open with you.
All I heard is later today I'mgonna go watermelon shopping.
So.
Matt (28:00):
Yeah.
Okay.
Then you gonna ho hollow it out.
Jerry (28:03):
It's that easy.
Matt (28:06):
Yeah.
You are writing a shopping list,aren't you?
Ah, watermelon.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jerry (28:10):
Just going back and
Matt (28:11):
Okay, so we we're getting on there.
Um.
Uh, so how much vacation time doyou get?
Jerry (28:17):
Two weeks historically, uh, when you start, which is
pretty low in comparison to theUK I'm sure.
Uh, and then it sort of raises aday or two every year.
Or as you get seniority, you getpromotions.
Matt (28:29):
And then what about this one?
I'm gonna get, uh, Jamie, canyou just Google something?
Uh, yeah, I'm just gonna lookthis way by Jamie Googles it.
Um, what's your, what other timeoff am I getting apart from
those two weeks?
Jerry (28:41):
Holidays, national Holidays.
So Christmas, new Year's, um,veteran's Day, labor's Day,
labor Day.
So historically just nationalholidays, federal holidays, and
obviously your, days or yourvacation days.
Matt (28:55):
Okay, so I am looking up, so we have standard is about
four, four weeks off.
Jerry (28:59):
I
Matt (29:00):
Holiday, sometimes five, but let's say standard four, uh,
the lowest case, no one'sreally, not many people do less
than that.
Um, and then you get the publicholidays off as well.
So there are, there are eight ofthem in England.
So you are looking at between,we're getting nearly sort of six
(29:21):
weeks, six to six and a halfweeks off a year.
Jerry (29:24):
So
Matt (29:24):
How many us.
Jerry (29:25):
fucking around, which is beautiful.
Matt (29:28):
Yeah.
And then we work from home somedays as well.
So, uh, and then how many USpublic holidays are there
Jerry (29:35):
Nine
Matt (29:36):
be?
Jerry (29:36):
maybe.
If you could have Jamie
Matt (29:38):
So there,
Jerry (29:38):
be great.
Matt (29:40):
yeah, so there's, so it says here, so hang on.
What's that, Jamie?
So there's, uh, 11 officialfederal holidays.
Now, do you get all of them off?
Jerry (29:48):
yes.
Uh, summer floating likeColumbus Day, which, which just
passed.
Matt (29:54):
Okay.
That was that yester.
Was that yesterday?
Okay.
So when you say floating, whatdoes that mean?
Jerry (30:02):
Uh, you can take the holiday or you can work.
On that day, and then you canjust use it as a day off for
another day.
Matt (30:10):
Oh, right, okay.
See, I thought that.
Some of the holidays theydidn't.
So say there was, this is whereI've either misheard it or other
other companies.
There's some that theydefinitely give you and you take
that off and outta the floatingones.
I dunno how many there are.
They let you have some and youchoose.
Are you gonna have say, laborDay or Columbus Day?
Jerry (30:29):
Yeah.
Matt (30:30):
Is that a thing or have I made that up?
Jerry (30:32):
No, no.
Depends on the state.
Depends on the firm.
It it, you know.
Matt (30:36):
So do you get all, do you get all 11 off?
So you get on top of your twoweeks, you get,
Jerry (30:41):
do.
Matt (30:41):
you're gonna get another 11 days.
So that's another two weeks.
Okay.
Uh, and what else do you say youget as well?
So you get your 11 publicholidays, um, you've got your,
in your two weeks and thenanything.
But then you have sick days aswell, don't you?
Now?
Jerry (30:55):
it's, no.
Most firms, it's a part of thetwo weeks.
Those are just, just PTO dayspaid time off?
Matt (31:01):
So if you were sick tomorrow.
That would come out of your PTO.
Jerry (31:05):
That is correct.
Matt (31:06):
You can't just call in sick.
Jerry (31:08):
No.
Most
Matt (31:10):
Oh, see, that's different.
Jerry (31:11):
firms, again, they're, they're, they're changing.
think it is becoming moreprogressive, right?
Where a lot of firms are addingsick days or they're adding more
holidays, uh, to become morecompetitive,
Matt (31:23):
We don't have a, a legal set day in the uk.
We have it that, um, so if I, ifI called in work tomorrow, said
I was sick.
The days off, it's not comingout on any leave.
Um, I think I can have up tofive days off in a row, and
after that I need to bring in adoctor's note.
(31:44):
Um,
Jerry (31:45):
Yeah.
Matt (31:46):
some companies have a set amount of sick leave they might
give you, and then they, they'llgo, right, we're not gonna pay
you.
But that's more of things likelong-term sick.
So like if I was off for sixmonths.
There we go.
We're not gonna pay you aftersix months, then you just have
to get, go to the governmentuntil the government offers you
on sick.
But if you were off for sixmonths in your job, you're just
not getting paid at all.
Jerry (32:06):
That is correct.
Matt (32:07):
Do you have any sort of cover for that in, do you get
any private insurance cover or,
Jerry (32:11):
it depends on the state.
So in the state of New Jerseywhere I live, there's quite,
quite a bit of coverage.
So you can get family leave ormedical leave for a couple of
weeks.
Um, it's not the sameeverywhere.
Matt (32:22):
okay.
Jerry (32:22):
Yeah.
Matt (32:23):
And then let's say now we're coming.
Oh, and then so pensions.
So a lot of people listening inthe UK Dunno, but you what we
call our pension.
You call a 401k.
Jerry (32:32):
that is
Matt (32:32):
Why?
Jerry (32:34):
I don't know why the numbers in the letters got mixed
up there.
Algebra wasn't my best subjectin school.
Uh, but um, I'm joking.
I was actually great at algebra.
Uh, the 401k is the retirementprogram that was created, right.
Um, and essentially notsubsidized by the government,
but it was certainly.
Promoted for firms to have it.
(32:54):
Um, pensions still happen, stillhave their pension, so that
doesn't,
Matt (32:58):
So they're different.
Pen 401k and pension aredifferent.
Jerry (33:01):
It's historically pensions are for unionized, uh,
workers.
Matt (33:06):
Uh, okay.
Jerry (33:07):
Yeah.
But it, it's,
Matt (33:08):
So yeah.
Jerry (33:09):
more so for oh one ks private sector.
Matt (33:12):
Okay, so I've, I've just, Jamie's come back with some
facts here.
Thank you, Jamie.
Uh, a cup of tea when you're,when you're free.
And a scotch.
A scotch for Jerry there,gentlemen.
Um,
Jerry (33:23):
eight in the
Matt (33:23):
it is just, it is just, it's just a very boring code.
On a section of the, in internalinternal revenue.
So how, you know, have you havelike W nines and all these
things?
401k is just what it's called.
So what that is what we willcall our state pension.
So we have two pensions outhere.
We have our state pension, whichwe will get from the government
(33:45):
when we hit retirement age,which is, I think it's, I think
it's the same age now.
Uh.
Jamie, check on that.
Uh, it used to be women couldretire younger.
Uh oh.
It's 66 for, um, oh, that's afucker.
So it's 66 for men and women.
It used to be like 60 for womenand 65 for men.
(34:07):
It's now 66 for both.
Right.
Next year it increases to 67.
The year after that is, I know.
Then in 2044 it's gonna be 68,the little fuckers, so that's
retirement.
That's when I can get my pensionfrom 20.
68.
So anyway, so that is yourprivate pension.
Jerry (34:26):
on you making it?
Matt (34:28):
Every time the year goes up, it, it is diminishing
slightly, isn't it?
Obviously your odds aredecreasing.
Um, and then you have yourprivate pension, which is what
you typically pay into or yourwork will pay into.
So that's different.
So they're very differentthings.
To get your state pension, youjust have to, you have to work,
or if you're not working, youhave to be.
(34:48):
Claiming some form of benefits,will, will then sort of be
paying into that or,
Jerry (34:51):
We have, we have
Matt (34:52):
um, doing that?
Jerry (34:53):
security, essentially.
Matt (34:54):
Yeah, so basically as long as you're keeping up your NASH
insurance, you get that yourprivate one is, there's no
legal.
You don't have to have one, butthey brought this in.
Now, when you start a job, theyhave to opt you into one and
then you have to opt out.
But I mean, you couldtechnically put in like 1% of a
a month of your salary in there.
There's no maximum amount.
Um, some jobs top it up to whatyou put in some or put a chunk
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of say 5%.
It's all different.
It's whatever the jobs part ofthe package.
Um, and you can, you can startclaiming that from 55, but
obviously this, yeah, sotechnically in, in.
You know, 12 years or so, Icould start claiming my pension.
But um, you don't wanna start, Idon't wanna start claiming that
early.
'cause it's gonna be a lowerpot.
You might as well keep drillinginto it becomes a high pot and
(35:41):
then you're gonna get moremoney.
Jerry (35:42):
Right?
It sounds like in the US.
Retirement is around diversifiedinvestments and in the UK it's
hopefully I win the nationallottery.
Matt (35:55):
Yeah, I mean, I would say there's a large majority of
people.
In the UK whose pensions are nota, a level where they're gonna
keep them comfortable.
Jerry (36:03):
right.
Matt (36:03):
The state pension on its own, uh, I dunno how much you'd
get, but it's, it's cost ofliving.
It would, you'd be scraping by.
It's, you know, you, you mightbe, you, you will be able to
have your heating on.
Things like that.
Even with private pensions,we're really bad at thinking
about the future.
So it's, it's tough.
(36:25):
So it was only like.
In the past 10 years or so, I'vethought, well, I've really gotta
start hammering a lot more moneyinto my pension.
Especially'cause like you getmatching from a company, so if
you pay'em 5%, they may pay 5%.
So, so it is, it is better totake advantage of that free
money really.
Um, but yeah, and I suppose thelast thing I'll work is right,
so you've done that.
(36:46):
We're not retiring, we're stillin our young ages, but we wanna
quit our job now, so.
What's it?
What's it look like?
What sort of notice you gottagive?
How does that work?
If you wanna quit your jobtoday, when could you be free?
When could you be free to be ago-go dancer?
Jerry (36:59):
yeah, yeah.
So I've, I've considered thisand I appreciate you bringing
that up.
Specifically about my Goledancing aspirations, uh, two
weeks.
So historically, ortraditionally, you give two
weeks.
Although this new generation of,uh, gen Z, they just leave.
Matt (37:17):
Yeah, I've heard about this.
I just don't turn up.
Jerry (37:19):
get the fuck out of there.
They're just like, Hey,
Matt (37:21):
So what's worst case?
They're not, they're just notgonna get a reference.
Jerry (37:25):
They don't give a shit about a reference.
incredible.
I don't, I kind of, I kind ofrespect it.
Matt (37:30):
Um, okay.
But then they're not thinkingabout.
Jerry (37:33):
the uk,
Matt (37:34):
It, it, it depends.
Its standard is a month or fourweeks, but normally with more
senior positions that can go up,so three months, six months,
like when you get to a quitehigh position, it's, it could be
up to six months.
Jerry (37:48):
Historically here though, if, if you're going to a
competitor, just let you go,even if you ask for two weeks
and then they'll pay you out fortwo weeks.
Matt (37:56):
Oh, okay.
So you go on what we call gardenleave.
Jerry (37:58):
Yeah.
Matt (37:59):
Yeah.
Yeah.
But,
Jerry (38:00):
they're
Matt (38:00):
but you can't start, you can't start for two weeks.
But yeah, it's just, so Isuppose they don't want you
around'cause you know you'regoing to a competitor, you might
start siphoning out information.
Yeah.
Jerry (38:08):
I mean,
Matt (38:08):
See that's the thing we have, if we have long, say long
notice period of three months,six months.
If you're gonna a competitor,they put you on garden leave.
So you're just getting paid tosit home for six months.
It's, it's the dream.
It's the dream.
Jerry (38:21):
All right.
Matt (38:22):
Um.
I think we've, I think we'vecovered work.
I think now anyone that'slistening here pretty much knows
what it, what it, what it takesto work in either country.
I'm sure there's some legalstuff about green cards and
that, but I'm, I'm sure that'sthe easy stuff.
As long as you know yourpension, you notice period, and
you can get fired instantly formasturbating in the office.
I think as long as they knowthose sort of things, I think
(38:43):
we're pretty good.
Okay, well, I think we're calledit there.
Um, see you next week.
Good afternoon.
Good morning, Jerry.
How are you?
Jerry (00:10):
Good.
How are you, Matt?
Matt (00:12):
Yeah, what, what episode are we on now?
Is it 7, 8, 9?
Oh, no, it's four.
Just four.
It's four.
We're still here.
The police haven't been aroundto arrest us yet, so,
Jerry (00:22):
The fourth
Matt (00:23):
but then I don't think, yeah, but I don't think they're
one of the two people that havelistened to it, so that's
probably why.
Yeah,
Jerry (00:30):
It'll, it'll get to them eventually, I'm sure.
Matt (00:33):
it'll get filtered through.
So how's your week been?
Jerry (00:35):
Uh, it's been a good week.
A lot of travel for work, uh,but we are back home, so how
about yourself?
Matt (00:41):
Uh, yeah, as you know, I went down to Cornwall the
weekend.
I was hoping we could do anepisode from there
Jerry (00:45):
Yeah,
Matt (00:46):
I was next the Atlantic, but we've had to push back, uh,
recording this week.
So we'll be doing a double thisweek.
So let's hope by the end of theweek we're just not completely
dry on what we have to talkabout.
'cause it's pretty dry to startwith.
So
Jerry (00:57):
it
Matt (00:57):
we're not starting, we're not starting.
Great as it starts.
So let's see.
Um.
But yeah, no, it's a decent,decent week.
Uh, I'm off on holiday next weekas well, so that's another
reason why we've gotta double upthis week.
Yeah, so I'm off to Dubai onMonday,
Jerry (01:11):
Ooh,
Matt (01:12):
so, so we'll not be film sunbathing.
Drinking alcohol, obviouslythat's frowned upon, um, putting
the kids in kids club,
Jerry (01:21):
Very good.
That's
Matt (01:22):
by the pool, drink and alcohol.
Jerry (01:23):
right.
Matt (01:25):
What else do you do on holiday when you've got kids?
Jerry (01:28):
Uh, suffer one, um,
Matt (01:30):
Yep.
Jerry (01:31):
have fun historically.
Matt (01:33):
Yeah,
Jerry (01:33):
Uh, and go to the pool.
Matt (01:34):
same, same stuff.
Same stuff you do at home, butjust with a pool, basically.
Jerry (01:40):
No,
Matt (01:40):
Yeah, yeah.
Jerry (01:40):
can still take your kids on vacation.
It's just ruined now.
That's it.
Matt (01:45):
Hmm.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You can go anywhere you want avacation.
It's just, it's just shittierthan it would've been without
one.
It's,
Jerry (01:50):
And double the
Matt (01:51):
yeah.
Jerry (01:51):
What are you gonna do, you know?
Matt (01:52):
Yeah, it's it's strange though, isn't it?
You are.
'cause you are, it's double theprice for two reasons.
'cause A, you're taking twoother people with you and also
you're going in a time which ismore expensive'cause you have to
go to school holidays, so,
Jerry (02:05):
No, it's, it's terrible.
The problem is that I love them.
If I didn't love them, it wouldbe a lot easier.
Matt (02:10):
oh, it's be much easier.
Yeah.
So basically anyone that'slistening, um, that hasn't got
kids, um, don't basically,
Jerry (02:18):
that's
Matt (02:18):
there you go.
That's it.
That's a parenting advice.
Yeah,
Jerry (02:21):
anything away from this podcast,
Matt (02:24):
yeah.
Yeah.
If you've, if you've saved or ifyou've saved up, uh,$10,000 to
have a reverse on a vasectomy'cause you're thinking about
having some children, um, Iwould say take that$10,000 and
go to the Maldives.
Yeah.
Because those memories will lastforever, aren't they?
Jerry (02:43):
to Dubai and Sunbath naked with some alcohol, as Matt
will be doing shortly.
Matt (02:47):
Yeah.
I think.
Two of those things are probablyillegal.
Um,
Jerry (02:51):
Which
Matt (02:51):
one of them's allowed in the hotel, but one of them's
not.
Jerry (02:55):
I would,
Matt (02:56):
It's a,
Jerry (02:56):
is it because you're not allowed around the school zone?
Where's the hotel?
Matt (03:01):
well, the hotel's in Dubai, but you, so yes.
It's, it is, it's not.
So just to confirm, it's not adry nudist hotel.
It's a regular hotel, but theyallow drinking, so it's just,
it's gonna be, yeah.
Do you think, I've never been toa nudist hotel.
Firstly, do they exist?
I imagine they do.
And then secondly, I assumethey're adults only.
They don't have a kids club.
(03:21):
Do they
Jerry (03:21):
afraid where this conversation's going, but I'll,
I'll still rock with it.
Right.
Um,
Matt (03:26):
entertain me?
Jerry (03:27):
so.
I mean, I know in Florida theyhave'em for sure.
Matt (03:30):
It is in nudist hotels.
Jerry (03:32):
hotels, they have nudist
Matt (03:33):
But
Jerry (03:33):
as well.
Matt (03:35):
but, and this is a very silly question, but they are
adults only, aren't they?
Jerry (03:38):
would hope so.
I, I, I think so.
Matt (03:41):
Yeah, I, I, as I say out loud, it's, it's, I mean, if
not, the police should just bewaiting outside that hotel.
It's like, it's just like a traproom, isn't it?
As, as they get off the, off thebus.
Just get straight into thepolice car.
Jerry (03:53):
Uh, I mean, that might be a good idea for, uh, to catch a
predator.
I don't know if that's, do youhave to catch a predator on, uh,
in the uk?
Matt (04:01):
No.
So what we have is we have, uh,short clips on Instagram of
people.
Just do it themselves.
So we to catch a predator as anactual, a sanctioned show by the
police.
I think the police were in on itand they did all the filming.
What we have is just vigilantes,which, uh, pretend to be young
people online, invite them over,and then sit and arrest them,
Jerry (04:26):
Right, right.
Matt (04:27):
which obviously sits in rent.
Jerry (04:29):
you couldn't really do it in the UK because all of
Manchester would be arrested.
But anyways,
Matt (04:34):
You really are trying to stop our Northern listeners,
aren't you?
I dunno what you've got with it.
Jerry (04:40):
it's a
Matt (04:41):
I mean, we don't,
Jerry (04:41):
the country.
The North, I.
Matt (04:43):
we don't, we don't have a big listener base, but you're
already taken out a couple ofmillion there.
They just automatically don'twanna listen.
Jerry (04:50):
Listen, if there's one thing, the Northerners love is
good banter, so they mightappreciate it.
Who
Matt (04:54):
Yeah.
So last week it was Liverpool'sDon't Work
Jerry (04:56):
That's right.
Yeah,
Matt (04:57):
liver Poland.
And, and this week it'smancunian's are pedophiles.
Jerry (05:01):
exactly.
A good
Matt (05:03):
What's next week?
Jerry (05:03):
Yeah.
Matt (05:04):
Uh, Birmingham.
Jerry (05:05):
we'll, we'll figure it
Matt (05:06):
Yeah.
People from nor like to have sexwith their relatives.
That's,
Jerry (05:11):
north?
Matt (05:12):
uh, it's a good question.
So, to anyone, uh, from the M 20South M 25?
Yes.
Jerry (05:19):
Okay.
Matt (05:20):
Uh, technically it's the Midlands and it's called, and
because it's the Midlands, it'sobviously the middle of the
land.
It's, it's not, it's halfway,but, but to some of us, we go,
yeah, you're sort of up, you'reup north.
'cause you have to travel upnorth to get there.
So you're northern,
Jerry (05:35):
yeah.
But that's like
Matt (05:36):
you're not, you're not.
Jerry (05:36):
and Hove saying, London's, you know, folks in
London are northerners.
Matt (05:40):
Yeah.
But that's just, that's just,that's fucked up, isn't it?
Because that's not, you know,
Jerry (05:43):
Yeah.
Matt (05:45):
it's, it's London Central.
And then anything south for thatSouthern,
Jerry (05:50):
People from Birmingham seem normal to me.
That's why immediately placethem in the Northerner category.
Matt (05:56):
yeah.
But who do you know fromBirmingham?
Jerry (05:59):
Work related.
Um, just out and about, metpeople from Birmingham.
It's a big city, man.
Still haven't
Matt (06:06):
Let's look.
Jerry (06:07):
We must go.
Matt (06:09):
So, so obviously famous Birmingham, people from
Birmingham, the most famousAussie Osborne.
God rest his soul.
I've never said he is comeacross as a normal person
though.
Um, I mean that was his nicheand that's what he sold himself
on.
Jerry (06:22):
talented.
Matt (06:24):
Yep.
Uh,
Jerry (06:25):
Very
Matt (06:26):
who else we've got, we've got
Jerry (06:27):
well, but you know.
Matt (06:29):
Kenny Baker, uh, he played R 2D two in Star Wars.
Jerry (06:33):
No idea who that is.
Matt (06:35):
Christine Mc v's.
From there.
So she was in Fleetwood Mac, soI did not know that.
Um,
Jerry (06:40):
Nothing.
Matt (06:42):
ti uh, Alison Hammond, you, you're not aware of her.
That's for our British, Britishfans.
Um, and that, that's it.
If, if fifth on the list it'sgiving is Alison Hammond, then,
then we know that.
Yeah.
Jerry (06:55):
the conversation of you trying to introduce me to steps
from Liverpool and I'm
Matt (07:01):
So,
Jerry (07:01):
I
Matt (07:01):
so step,
Jerry (07:01):
these people
Matt (07:02):
so steps Steps aren't from Liverpool.
They are,
Jerry (07:06):
Are you sure?
Matt (07:08):
yeah.
Yeah.
So, so they are from all overthe place.
So one guy was from Wows.
Jerry (07:13):
Uh.
Matt (07:15):
another guy is from Chester.
That's not far, that's nothelping me out there.
Uh, another girl is from, whereis she from?
Jerry (07:27):
We need a, we need
Matt (07:28):
She's, she,
Jerry (07:29):
Equi equivalent of Jamie just to like pull up facts
randomly for us.
Matt (07:33):
uh, so, so there's one guy, he's Welsh, but so recently
in the news and obviously Idon't really like to talk about,
uh, we tried to steal away fromthe child abuse stories.
So I dunno if you heard, uh, didyou hear the weekend?
A prolific pedophile gotmurdered in prison over here.
Jerry (07:54):
No.
What's going on?
Matt (07:55):
Alright, so was in a band in the early two thousands,
quite big.
Had some big hits.
It turned out he did somehorrific stuff, which we can't
even talk about on a podcast,but mainly child abuse.
Went to prison quite rightly.
He got stabbed in the neck onSaturday and killed.
Jerry (08:13):
Great news.
Matt (08:13):
He shares, but he shares the same name with someone from
steps, which makes me feel verysorry for this guy from steps
because he is in steps firstly,but also, I mean.
Jerry (08:26):
You know what I'm saying?
Matt (08:28):
No, but it's, it's, it's basically, so Ian Watkins is the
guy that, that got murdered, butIan from Steps, he has to go by
Ian h Watkins, just in caseanyone's confusing him with a
prolific pedophile.
So they're not thinking.
Jerry (08:43):
man.
Matt (08:43):
Oh, I like those steps.
That's some good songs with 5,6, 7, 8.
But it's the child abuse i, I, Istruggle to get past.
It's a completely differentpeople.
It's not like he left steps togo and join a rock band and then
become a pedophile.
Jerry (08:55):
Yeah.
Matt (08:56):
different people.
But yeah, one of them is now,one of'em is now dead.
Uh, one of them is, uh, insteps, which you might as well
be dead sometimes.
So.
Jerry (09:05):
Matt, I feel like this is gonna be a great segue, uh, to
our current topic today.
Matt (09:12):
Child abuse of being dead.
Jerry (09:14):
We got here
Matt (09:16):
So our, our topic date is actually work.
So I dunno how, how we'refinding that as a segue into
that.
I think we need to practicesegues and
Jerry (09:25):
do.
Matt (09:25):
Google what a segue is.
Maybe just look up what a segue
Jerry (09:27):
gonna just,
Matt (09:27):
is.
Is it,
Jerry (09:28):
you Google
Matt (09:29):
is it,
Jerry (09:29):
is
Matt (09:30):
can you, can you please?
Yeah.
Well, the complete oppositesegue, so I don't listen to Mr.
Beast, does he have a guy calledJamie that just Google stuff and
tells him facts in his ears?
Joe Rogan.
Sorry.
Not, not, not Mr.
Beast.
Jerry (09:42):
Wait, who?
Who are
Matt (09:42):
All right.
Mr.
Beast.
Jerry (09:45):
Mr.
Beast?
I don't even know if he has apodcast.
might.
Matt (09:49):
dunno.
I, he's some, he's online.
Um,
Jerry (09:51):
Yeah.
Matt (09:51):
other podcasts I talk to, they just, they just Google it
while they're talking because,yeah.
Which, you know, we don't havea, we don't have a Jamie, so
that's what we do.
Jerry (09:59):
Not yet.
We will
Matt (10:00):
Not yet.
Not yet.
One day we'll be thereinterviewing, uh, Ian h Watkins
from Steps.
Jerry (10:07):
right.
Matt (10:08):
He'll be in the studio with us while we Google stuff.
So what are we talking about?
Work?
Yeah.
So do you work?
I
Jerry (10:15):
I do work.
I do work.
Are, are you comfortable sharingwhat we do for work before we
Matt (10:20):
we, uh.
Jerry (10:21):
men?
Matt (10:23):
I think we can go into what we do, but we just don't go
into company names becauseagain, so I'm, I'm a project
manager, very office based, veryrun of the mill.
For a lot of our listeners outthere, they probably do same
sort of things.
Clerical, clerical, office basedstuff, nine to five, work from
home, couple of days a weekyourself.
Jerry (10:41):
Yes, I am a managing director at a foreign exchange
firm.
Um, managing sales operations.
Matt (10:49):
Very niche.
You've, you've gone, you've gota niche.
I kept mine broad so we could,you know, stay relatable to our
listeners.
You've gone very niche, so.
Jerry (10:55):
Should I just say I can, I can redo that real quick here.
Matt (10:58):
Yeah.
I mean, no,'cause we don't cuton this.
We, we, we rolling.
But again, for granted, I doknow one person that relates to
that, but that's, that'sdifferent.
That's'cause we've worked, we'veworked similar jobs before.
Jerry (11:09):
have,
Matt (11:09):
Um, so yeah, I suppose what we wanna talk about is the
difference between working inAmerica, working in the uk.
Um, let's go, we'll go throughthe job interview process.
We'll go through work life.
Do you drink at work?
What standard working hoursleave and that, and let's just,
we'll just compare that.
'cause I think, I think that'sdifferent.
So I think we should start, wehaven't got the jobs yet.
We're talking about jobinterviews now.
(11:30):
Talk me through a typical startto end US job application
process.
Like the time, what you have todo.
Jerry (11:38):
Yep.
So you're, you're eitherapplying online or recruiters
reaching out to you on LinkedInor something within that realm.
And the interview process itselfis really about the candidate
boasting, right?
So what have you accomplished?
Um, what targets do you have,have you reached them?
How do, how well do you workwith others?
(11:59):
Um, it, it's really.
Even if it's not a sales job,you are selling yourself to some
capacity.
Right?
Um, and just trying to makeyourself stand out from all the
candidates.
What, what, what does the UK
Matt (12:12):
same.
So it's the same here.
I mean, obviously they alwayssay when they ask you a
question, the most typical oneis the star response, the
situation, task, action result.
And they all, I hear thingslike, don't say we did this.
Always say I did this.
So.
I mean, there's times thatdoesn't work.
(12:33):
Like, you know, you don't wannasay as a company, I brought the
company down or I, I was, I was,I was part of a large global
scandal.
I dunno.
But yes, it's very much that.
Um, I find that job interviewsare a lot more relaxed than they
used to be.
Uh.
Jerry (12:52):
they're still very intense here.
Matt (12:54):
Yeah, I've had some and they, they just felt like casual
chats and they've rung me up andsaid, yeah, okay, your next
round.
And it's just, okay.
Jerry (13:01):
Yeah,
Matt (13:01):
But
Jerry (13:02):
I've interviewed for UK firms in the US I feel like the,
the recruiter is essentiallylooking for a rockstar.
And in the UK they just wantsomebody that doesn't embarrass
them at the Christmas party.
That's, that's the, that's theprerequisite.
Matt (13:18):
it is that, and someone they can go, then they can go
for a beer with.
Jerry (13:20):
Exactly.
Exactly.
Matt (13:22):
if, if I'm, if I'm hiring, I'm thinking, can I spend eight
hours a day with this person andactually talk to'em about
something I wanna talk about?
I don't care.
They can do the job or not.
I just wanna be able to talk to,yeah.
Um, have you got any, and thishas to be yourself, anyone, you
know, any bad interview stories?
Jerry (13:39):
Oh.
Matt (13:39):
Oh
Jerry (13:39):
mean, I've, I've been, um, I've been pretty solid.
I have interview stories withfolks that I've interviewed.
I.
Matt (13:47):
yeah, let's go with that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jerry (13:49):
that have, that have given me some pretty wild
responses.
So I think a very typicalresponse, sorry, a very typical
question would be, Hey, where doyou see yourself in 2, 3, 5
years?
Um, and I think the worst answerI've ever gotten was hopefully
still employed, so that thatdoesn't really set the bar too
high uh,
Matt (14:10):
hopefully it's the hopefully, isn't it?
Yeah.
I'm trying to think of any thatI've in, I've had some that've
just been, but they've just beenbad candidates, so that's, you
know, that's not on them.
That's just, they're justterrible people.
And, you know, punching high.
Jerry (14:23):
Yeah.
Matt (14:24):
some, for myself, I think one, I, I don't think I wanted
the job.
I think I've been maderedundant, so I was just, you
know, you go that you just, youapply for a hundred jobs
Jerry (14:33):
Yeah.
Matt (14:33):
trying to net an interview.
And they were telling me aboutthe job, and it just sounded so
boring.
It was nothing about, it soundedexciting.
The people sounded very dry, andI was thinking, I don't, I don't
want this job.
But it came across my bodylanguage.
I started just sort of sittingthere, just like swinging in the
chair left to right, and thatcame back in.
The feedback that, and they saidhe didn't seem very interested.
(14:56):
He was swinging in his chair.
I was like, okay, well I've,I've done my job there.
Jerry (15:00):
seven years.
Matt (15:02):
Years now, ironically it was with a swinging chair
company.
So, um, one of my favorite onesbits of feedback and I've
actually, I might print thisfeedback out'cause I have it in
email.
So I interviewed with a company.
In a very similar, um, similarindustry to what I've worked
many years in.
Same, same role, same sort ofcompany.
(15:22):
It was like a competitorbasically.
So basically it was like I was,they could copy and paste me
into this job.
I, I knew sort of everythingabout that and they, I
interviewed with a load ofpeople.
It went really well.
They.
Then the fee, I didn't hearanything.
A couple of weeks I chased forfeedback.
I was saying, right.
It's been weeks now, I haven'tgot the job, but I just wanna
(15:43):
know why.
'cause it was basically, I wasprobably one of the best
candidates for it.
And the feedback come back when,uh, Matt is technically perfect
for this job.
He's his experience for making,from day one, be able to hit the
ground running, but we're justnot sure if he was a right fit
for the team.
So basically that came acrossfor us.
He's great, but we don't likehim.
Jerry (16:04):
The guy can do the job.
Shit.
Personality though, my goodness.
Matt (16:08):
Yeah, it is absolutely tosser, but you know.
Jerry (16:10):
if it
Matt (16:11):
Yeah.
And it was like, what?
Jerry (16:12):
I think you have a fantastic personality.
I hope that helps.
Matt (16:15):
Yeah, but you think I'm shitting my job a another good
story I heard was actually thisone doesn't involve, yeah, this
one doesn't involve me.
A friend told me this one, so.
And this goes on to our next,our next part of the topic
because do you ever lie on yourcv?
Jerry (16:29):
Yeah,
Matt (16:31):
Yes or no?
I mean, you're worried.
Jerry (16:33):
I mean,
Matt (16:34):
I mean, I mean, you've taught me this.
You should, you've got, you'vegotta up the numbers, haven't
you?
You kind of rookie numbers outthere.
Could you?
There's rookie numbers.
Yeah.
Jerry (16:40):
you
Matt (16:41):
So
Jerry (16:41):
that you've jerked off?
You gotta put out Those arerookie
Matt (16:45):
it's under per personal hobbies, isn't it?
Um.
See, I didn't used to do thatand I wasn't getting job
interviews.
Um, I've had it before whereI've let chat EPT, just do my
cv, send it off in theinterview, but it's, it's just
put random shit in there thatI've done.
I didn't read it.
I had the interview and they'regoing, oh.
So apparently you, you've gotexperience with this system.
(17:07):
I don't have I
Jerry (17:08):
Have I?
Matt (17:09):
since when.
Jerry (17:09):
That's
Matt (17:10):
Yeah, but one of my friends, um, he, he really
overcooked his cv'cause it wasfor like a, like an, yeah, it
was like a next level up.
So we're talking like a, like anearly a C-suite level job.
Jerry (17:22):
Yeah.
Matt (17:23):
And he got an interview for it and it was, I think the,
I think he said the interviewlast lasted about two minutes.
So basically they got in theinterview, looked at his CV and
they went.
With him in on teams, whatever.
I don't think it was in person,it was on teams and they just
went openly.
How did this guy get in front ofus and they just called it a day
(17:46):
and let him go.
Jerry (17:47):
let's, let's.
Matt (17:49):
Yeah, I think, I think we, we've got half hour free now and
our diaries guys, we can backthis up.
Let's go.
Jerry (17:54):
someone in HR definitely got fired that day,
Matt (17:57):
Yeah, definitely.
I've been in a job interview andthey didn't know it was a, they
were a job, it was an interview.
They didn't realize they wereinterviewing me, so.
Again, I get an interview, theyjoin, they think I'm just an
employee, a new employee, andit's like an introduction.
Jerry (18:12):
right.
Matt (18:13):
and they went, so like, I can't remember what the job
title was, but they went, oh,you are only sort of product
manager.
Uh, just introduce ourselves.
It's like, no, this is a jobinterview.
You are interviewing me for adifferent role.
And they were like, oh, so theyweren't prepared and they were
then pissed off that they wereon the back foot and they were
just being really shitty to meand asking me these sort of
questions, which, and they'd askme these questions and go, oh,
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so what would you know aboutLinux coding?
And I would say, well, as a roleas a project manager, absolutely
nothing.
I wouldn't expect to do that.
So then they're pissed offagain.
So I was like, you don't evenknow the job spec.
So I gave my feedback to therecruiter after I went, I, they
didn't know they wereinterviewing me.
It was a really bad experience.
I didn't get the job.
So how I'm employed, I do notknow
Jerry (18:57):
Yeah.
Listen, that's, I've never, I'venever been in such a horrendous
situation.
I
Matt (19:01):
Now I've been in loads.
Loads,
Jerry (19:02):
them the entire time at a certain point.
Matt (19:05):
yeah.
There was a point when I wasthinking again, I think I was,
didn't have a job.
So there's times when.
You have to be online.
I just need a job.
But when I've got a job and it'san interview and I don't like
it, then yeah, I'm gonna havesome fun with it.
Then at this point, it's, you'vegot that safety net, haven't
you?
Jerry (19:21):
Right.
Matt (19:22):
confidence.
Jerry (19:23):
I.
I just, you know, I think I knowhow to play the game.
'cause I, I've, I've managed allthe questions already, right?
I, I've been through
Matt (19:30):
Yeah.
Jerry (19:31):
Here it's, it's really just about boasting yourself and
we have an open door policy,right.
That, that's a big sort ofrecruitment specialty that we
say to candidates versus in theUK it's, closed.
Please knock.
Right.
It, it's just, you got, you justgotta know the
Matt (19:48):
Yeah, it, it is open door, but the door's closed and you
need to knock.
Yeah, and, and wait.
You have to book an appointmentand then I'll wait outside the
open door and then I'll come andopen the open door for you.
Jerry (19:58):
And wait till I have my second tea and then we can chat.
Matt (20:01):
Yeah.
Okay.
So there's the interview.
So then what's the process fromstart to finish?
So when you apply for a job, um,what's a, what's your then
length to get an, an offer?
Let's not talk about noticeperiod.
'cause they, they're different.
But your offer is that sort ofweeks, months.
Jerry (20:20):
Yeah, it's, it's a good question.
I, I think that before we get tothe offer, I feel like maybe 15
years ago, it used to be maybethree rounds max.
Now interviews are five, sixrounds.
Um, and then you have to waitfor an offer maybe two, three
weeks later after they've sortof sorted all of the candidates
out and filtered out who theythink, is sort of their top tier
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to level two, level three.
Matt (20:45):
Okay.
Um, see, I get that.
I always feel it's.
They're just, they put the offerout to others and then they
might say no.
And that's why,'cause whenyou've had that final interview,
if you haven't heard for acouple of weeks, they're like,
oh, we're still gettingfeedback.
I always think, well, you'veoffered to someone else but
you're waiting to see.
'cause you probably would'veoffered that within a week or
two.
Jerry (21:02):
Yeah.
Matt (21:03):
So if, if they go, oh, we're still waiting for
feedback, two weeks later, youare waiting to see if that
person confirms before you leteveryone know.
Jerry (21:09):
Yeah.
To be fair, it also gives youleverage if you, um, if you are
number two or three that they'veasked, you can ask for more
money.
They're, they're sort of in abind.
They need someone to fill thatrole.
Matt (21:19):
Yeah, I suppose you don't know if they're another, you,
another two, but yeah, that's agood point, isn't it?
Yeah.
Um, yeah, I suppose it's about,I would say it's about four to
six weeks maybe from applying toactually maybe getting an offer.
Jerry (21:30):
Yeah.
Matt (21:31):
Yeah.
And then, then you'd notice aperiod, uh, normally about
three.
Obviously it depends on the job.
Maybe some senior ones, butnormally you might have your
screening call might be withtheir internal talent team.
Then you might have one with thehiring manager and then a second
one with someone else in theteam or senior manager.
And that's normally enough.
I've never had more than three
Jerry (21:51):
As you know, I've worked for a UK firm.
We worked together, uh, and itwas about the same three, four
years ago.
Matt (21:57):
quite tough for McDonald's drive through, I thought
personally, but you know,
Jerry (22:00):
Yeah, yeah.
It was, it was intense.
Matt (22:03):
it's.
Naming all the hamburger aschildren.
I don't know.
Jerry (22:07):
Matt, you have the job, you're
Matt (22:09):
Mm-hmm.
Jerry (22:09):
in first day.
What are
Matt (22:11):
Yeah.
For me or them,
Jerry (22:14):
for both?
Matt (22:15):
for me that week, I'm probably gonna be on my best
behavior.
Probably gonna look like I'mworking hard.
Not gonna leave early.
Jerry (22:22):
Yeah, yeah,
Matt (22:23):
That will soon.
That will soon change.
Especially post probation.
Right?
It.
But um, uh.
I think it's just acting,looking busy.
I'm probably gonna be dressed alot smarter than I would be for
the rest of my career there.
I'm very basically a veryreserved, a very different
person to what they get for therest of their time with me.
So it's, you know,
Jerry (22:43):
every day or are
Matt (22:44):
I.
Jerry (22:45):
French style?
What's, what's going on here?
Matt (22:47):
I mean, I mean as a, oh, okay.
The French cha now are gettingtracked into this.
Okay, fair enough.
Um, as a decent human being, Ishower every day anyway.
So even if I was unemployed andI'll sit in at home, I would
still get up and shower.
So, I mean, I dunno what you dowhen you work from home.
You bother having a shower
Jerry (23:03):
Oh, well, certainly not.
I'm just joking, obviously.
Yeah.
I just, I need to, I need to, Ineed, that's my wake up
essentially.
Matt (23:09):
that where you jerk off.
So you need to.
Jerry (23:11):
Yeah, yeah,
Matt (23:12):
Yeah, that shame off of you.
Okay, well that's good to know.
Jerry (23:16):
yeah.
Yeah.
Matt (23:17):
Um, so yes, we got, we've got the jobs now, I suppose
things like, okay, so thingsdon't go well.
You pass probation, but thingsgo badly quickly.
You can get fired in Americalike that, can't you?
It's like, thanks for coming,but you're gone.
Jerry (23:32):
even if you have a new job, you still go towards
interviews, right?
You, you, you always keep someoptions in the back burner.
Matt (23:39):
You always just have a couple of burners that you can,
so maybe every couple of monthsyou might just look for a job
and I give you applied for.
Yeah.
So what's your, if, if your, ifyour work decided today, we
don't want Jerry anymore, wouldyou be out the door today?
Jerry (23:53):
Of course, yeah.
Matt (23:54):
There's no HR process, no part law protection or anything
like that.
Jerry (23:58):
HR would probably the news, but that's it.
That's the
Matt (24:01):
I mean, I'm talking, I'm talking, you haven't done
anything wrong.
It's not, it's not firing fromgross misconduct.
They just decided we don't likeJerry, or we don't want his
department anymore.
Either or.
Either way, you could be gonethat day.
Jerry (24:12):
it's a great question.
Essentially, most employershere, or most employment here is
at will.
Matt (24:16):
Okay.
Explain.
Jerry (24:18):
Yeah.
So essentially
Matt (24:19):
I.
Jerry (24:19):
you sign your agreement to, to work for a firm in the
us, you're essentially an atwill employer or employee.
So they can fire you for anyreason at any time, or no reason
at all,
Matt (24:29):
You see that, that's harsh, isn't it?
It's, yeah.
I, I mean, I feel for peoplethat would relocate, so if I, if
I got a job in the States andrelocated out there, I could
literally move out there andthen one day and go, do you know
what?
You're gone.
Jerry (24:42):
Absolutely.
It's a huge risk.
It's a huge risk.
You, you have to get some, some,some items in writing, perhaps a
signing bonus, right?
Something to sort of sort youout before you get there.
Matt (24:52):
Yeah, so you just need that.
So you always need a little nestegg so you've got tied over.
See here if, if, again, ifthere's no sort of gross
misconduct, if work wanted getrid of me, there'd have to be
sort of a, uh, there'd have tobe a month sort of, uh.
Process of redundancy, or evenif it was work, my work wasn't
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good enough, it'd have to gothrough some sort of performance
review and things like that.
So you're looking at least offour, minimum four weeks, maybe
six weeks till till you'd begone.
So at least you've got that timeto start looking for a job.
Jerry (25:23):
Historically, we still do a performance improvement plan
or a performance review here.
Matt (25:27):
So.
Jerry (25:29):
but we don't have to.
That's, that's the scary part.
Matt (25:33):
Yeah, that's just them being nice to look nice.
'cause the, the stocks.
Yeah.
Jerry (25:37):
It's, it's to remove legal liability in the US you
can sue for anything unlike theuk.
So that is, I guess, sort ofthe, leverage that the employer
has or the employee, sorry.
Matt (25:48):
So, uh, see this is where I go.
So how can you sue if you are atwill and you can get fired
instantly, what sort ofscenarios could you sue'em back
for?
Jerry (25:57):
If you felt like, uh, you were being discriminated
against?
Matt (26:00):
Oh, okay.
Right.
Jerry (26:01):
Yeah.
A whole host of reasons.
Um,
Matt (26:03):
So there still things like, um, unfair dismissal.
Jerry (26:05):
Yeah.
Matt (26:06):
Right.
Okay.
Yeah.
You, you do like to sue.
That's, that's, it's kind oflike your go-to.
Jerry (26:12):
yeah, yeah.
The Americans, that's our,that's our favorite baseball and
suing.
We're
Matt (26:17):
Yeah.
But, but like, some of thesilliest cases you think
wouldn't win, end up winning.
You think, well, that's just seta really shitty precedent now
that that's,
Jerry (26:24):
Yeah,
Matt (26:25):
that's the go-to.
Jerry (26:26):
normally just settle, right?
So who, who wants to go througha lengthy trial or arbitration
process and, and these largecompanies, instead of paying
2030 K and legal fees, here's 10K.
Leave us alone.
Matt (26:39):
Yeah.
Where did I hear a story aboutsomeone dropping a watermelon
and they sued?
Because I don't think this wasin a film.
I think someone told me thisstory.
It was about, uh, so what it wassomeone come out of a.
Grocery store with a watermelon.
They dropped it on the road andI think then they, they either
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went to get it and got hit by acar.
So they sued the, the grocerystore for the watermelon being
two rounds that they couldn'thold it.
And they dropped it and theywon.
Jerry (27:12):
Yeah.
Matt (27:13):
And, and I remember asking, thinking, well, how the,
how the, how, how the fuck doesthat even work?
Jerry (27:18):
the level of roundness.
Matt (27:20):
It was because the shop had insurance and they went,
people just hate insurancecompanies.
They just think, well, fuck it.
The,
Jerry (27:28):
yeah, yeah.
Matt (27:28):
the insurance company's gonna pay out for that.
Jerry (27:30):
And I'm sure
Matt (27:31):
And we just hate insurance companies.
So that's why they always sidewith those, sort of, those
complaints, I think.
But that just doesn't make sense'cause it sets a, a really
shitty precedent now that if a,if a guy didn't have that
insurance, he was just running amelon stand from the side of the
road.
The another complaint could gowell.
Yeah, they sued for it.
So what's the saying?
These are around watermelons andthen that little guy with the
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watermelon truck, he's gonna getsued.
Jerry (27:55):
I'll be open with you.
All I heard is later today I'mgonna go watermelon shopping.
So.
Matt (28:00):
Yeah.
Okay.
Then you gonna ho hollow it out.
Jerry (28:03):
It's that easy.
Matt (28:06):
Yeah.
You are writing a shopping list,aren't you?
Ah, watermelon.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jerry (28:10):
Just going back and
Matt (28:11):
Okay, so we we're getting on there.
Um.
Uh, so how much vacation time doyou get?
Jerry (28:17):
Two weeks historically, uh, when you start, which is
pretty low in comparison to theUK I'm sure.
Uh, and then it sort of raises aday or two every year.
Or as you get seniority, you getpromotions.
Matt (28:29):
And then what about this one?
I'm gonna get, uh, Jamie, canyou just Google something?
Uh, yeah, I'm just gonna lookthis way by Jamie Googles it.
Um, what's your, what other timeoff am I getting apart from
those two weeks?
Jerry (28:41):
Holidays, national Holidays.
So Christmas, new Year's, um,veteran's Day, labor's Day,
labor Day.
So historically just nationalholidays, federal holidays, and
obviously your, days or yourvacation days.
Matt (28:55):
Okay, so I am looking up, so we have standard is about
four, four weeks off.
Jerry (28:59):
I
Matt (29:00):
Holiday, sometimes five, but let's say standard four, uh,
the lowest case, no one'sreally, not many people do less
than that.
Um, and then you get the publicholidays off as well.
So there are, there are eight ofthem in England.
So you are looking at between,we're getting nearly sort of six
(29:21):
weeks, six to six and a halfweeks off a year.
Jerry (29:24):
So
Matt (29:24):
How many us.
Jerry (29:25):
fucking around, which is beautiful.
Matt (29:28):
Yeah.
And then we work from home somedays as well.
So, uh, and then how many USpublic holidays are there
Jerry (29:35):
Nine
Matt (29:36):
be?
Jerry (29:36):
maybe.
If you could have Jamie
Matt (29:38):
So there,
Jerry (29:38):
be great.
Matt (29:40):
yeah, so there's, so it says here, so hang on.
What's that, Jamie?
So there's, uh, 11 officialfederal holidays.
Now, do you get all of them off?
Jerry (29:48):
yes.
Uh, summer floating likeColumbus Day, which, which just
passed.
Matt (29:54):
Okay.
That was that yester.
Was that yesterday?
Okay.
So when you say floating, whatdoes that mean?
Jerry (30:02):
Uh, you can take the holiday or you can work.
On that day, and then you canjust use it as a day off for
another day.
Matt (30:10):
Oh, right, okay.
See, I thought that.
Some of the holidays theydidn't.
So say there was, this is whereI've either misheard it or other
other companies.
There's some that theydefinitely give you and you take
that off and outta the floatingones.
I dunno how many there are.
They let you have some and youchoose.
Are you gonna have say, laborDay or Columbus Day?
Jerry (30:29):
Yeah.
Matt (30:30):
Is that a thing or have I made that up?
Jerry (30:32):
No, no.
Depends on the state.
Depends on the firm.
It it, you know.
Matt (30:36):
So do you get all, do you get all 11 off?
So you get on top of your twoweeks, you get,
Jerry (30:41):
do.
Matt (30:41):
you're gonna get another 11 days.
So that's another two weeks.
Okay.
Uh, and what else do you say youget as well?
So you get your 11 publicholidays, um, you've got your,
in your two weeks and thenanything.
But then you have sick days aswell, don't you?
Now?
Jerry (30:55):
it's, no.
Most firms, it's a part of thetwo weeks.
Those are just, just PTO dayspaid time off?
Matt (31:01):
So if you were sick tomorrow.
That would come out of your PTO.
Jerry (31:05):
That is correct.
Matt (31:06):
You can't just call in sick.
Jerry (31:08):
No.
Most
Matt (31:10):
Oh, see, that's different.
Jerry (31:11):
firms, again, they're, they're, they're changing.
think it is becoming moreprogressive, right?
Where a lot of firms are addingsick days or they're adding more
holidays, uh, to become morecompetitive,
Matt (31:23):
We don't have a, a legal set day in the uk.
We have it that, um, so if I, ifI called in work tomorrow, said
I was sick.
The days off, it's not comingout on any leave.
Um, I think I can have up tofive days off in a row, and
after that I need to bring in adoctor's note.
(31:44):
Um,
Jerry (31:45):
Yeah.
Matt (31:46):
some companies have a set amount of sick leave they might
give you, and then they, they'llgo, right, we're not gonna pay
you.
But that's more of things likelong-term sick.
So like if I was off for sixmonths.
There we go.
We're not gonna pay you aftersix months, then you just have
to get, go to the governmentuntil the government offers you
on sick.
But if you were off for sixmonths in your job, you're just
not getting paid at all.
Jerry (32:06):
That is correct.
Matt (32:07):
Do you have any sort of cover for that in, do you get
any private insurance cover or,
Jerry (32:11):
it depends on the state.
So in the state of New Jerseywhere I live, there's quite,
quite a bit of coverage.
So you can get family leave ormedical leave for a couple of
weeks.
Um, it's not the sameeverywhere.
Matt (32:22):
okay.
Jerry (32:22):
Yeah.
Matt (32:23):
And then let's say now we're coming.
Oh, and then so pensions.
So a lot of people listening inthe UK Dunno, but you what we
call our pension.
You call a 401k.
Jerry (32:32):
that is
Matt (32:32):
Why?
Jerry (32:34):
I don't know why the numbers in the letters got mixed
up there.
Algebra wasn't my best subjectin school.
Uh, but um, I'm joking.
I was actually great at algebra.
Uh, the 401k is the retirementprogram that was created, right.
Um, and essentially notsubsidized by the government,
but it was certainly.
Promoted for firms to have it.
(32:54):
Um, pensions still happen, stillhave their pension, so that
doesn't,
Matt (32:58):
So they're different.
Pen 401k and pension aredifferent.
Jerry (33:01):
It's historically pensions are for unionized, uh,
workers.
Matt (33:06):
Uh, okay.
Jerry (33:07):
Yeah.
But it, it's,
Matt (33:08):
So yeah.
Jerry (33:09):
more so for oh one ks private sector.
Matt (33:12):
Okay, so I've, I've just, Jamie's come back with some
facts here.
Thank you, Jamie.
Uh, a cup of tea when you're,when you're free.
And a scotch.
A scotch for Jerry there,gentlemen.
Um,
Jerry (33:23):
eight in the
Matt (33:23):
it is just, it is just, it's just a very boring code.
On a section of the, in internalinternal revenue.
So how, you know, have you havelike W nines and all these
things?
401k is just what it's called.
So what that is what we willcall our state pension.
So we have two pensions outhere.
We have our state pension, whichwe will get from the government
(33:45):
when we hit retirement age,which is, I think it's, I think
it's the same age now.
Uh.
Jamie, check on that.
Uh, it used to be women couldretire younger.
Uh oh.
It's 66 for, um, oh, that's afucker.
So it's 66 for men and women.
It used to be like 60 for womenand 65 for men.
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It's now 66 for both.
Right.
Next year it increases to 67.
The year after that is, I know.
Then in 2044 it's gonna be 68,the little fuckers, so that's
retirement.
That's when I can get my pensionfrom 20.
68.
So anyway, so that is yourprivate pension.
Jerry (34:26):
on you making it?
Matt (34:28):
Every time the year goes up, it, it is diminishing
slightly, isn't it?
Obviously your odds aredecreasing.
Um, and then you have yourprivate pension, which is what
you typically pay into or yourwork will pay into.
So that's different.
So they're very differentthings.
To get your state pension, youjust have to, you have to work,
or if you're not working, youhave to be.
(34:48):
Claiming some form of benefits,will, will then sort of be
paying into that or,
Jerry (34:51):
We have, we have
Matt (34:52):
um, doing that?
Jerry (34:53):
security, essentially.
Matt (34:54):
Yeah, so basically as long as you're keeping up your NASH
insurance, you get that yourprivate one is, there's no
legal.
You don't have to have one, butthey brought this in.
Now, when you start a job, theyhave to opt you into one and
then you have to opt out.
But I mean, you couldtechnically put in like 1% of a
a month of your salary in there.
There's no maximum amount.
Um, some jobs top it up to whatyou put in some or put a chunk
(35:18):
of say 5%.
It's all different.
It's whatever the jobs part ofthe package.
Um, and you can, you can startclaiming that from 55, but
obviously this, yeah, sotechnically in, in.
You know, 12 years or so, Icould start claiming my pension.
But um, you don't wanna start, Idon't wanna start claiming that
early.
'cause it's gonna be a lowerpot.
You might as well keep drillinginto it becomes a high pot and
(35:41):
then you're gonna get moremoney.
Jerry (35:42):
Right?
It sounds like in the US.
Retirement is around diversifiedinvestments and in the UK it's
hopefully I win the nationallottery.
Matt (35:55):
Yeah, I mean, I would say there's a large majority of
people.
In the UK whose pensions are nota, a level where they're gonna
keep them comfortable.
Jerry (36:03):
right.
Matt (36:03):
The state pension on its own, uh, I dunno how much you'd
get, but it's, it's cost ofliving.
It would, you'd be scraping by.
It's, you know, you, you mightbe, you, you will be able to
have your heating on.
Things like that.
Even with private pensions,we're really bad at thinking
about the future.
So it's, it's tough.
(36:25):
So it was only like.
In the past 10 years or so, I'vethought, well, I've really gotta
start hammering a lot more moneyinto my pension.
Especially'cause like you getmatching from a company, so if
you pay'em 5%, they may pay 5%.
So, so it is, it is better totake advantage of that free
money really.
Um, but yeah, and I suppose thelast thing I'll work is right,
so you've done that.
(36:46):
We're not retiring, we're stillin our young ages, but we wanna
quit our job now, so.
What's it?
What's it look like?
What sort of notice you gottagive?
How does that work?
If you wanna quit your jobtoday, when could you be free?
When could you be free to be ago-go dancer?
Jerry (36:59):
yeah, yeah.
So I've, I've considered thisand I appreciate you bringing
that up.
Specifically about my Goledancing aspirations, uh, two
weeks.
So historically, ortraditionally, you give two
weeks.
Although this new generation of,uh, gen Z, they just leave.
Matt (37:17):
Yeah, I've heard about this.
I just don't turn up.
Jerry (37:19):
get the fuck out of there.
They're just like, Hey,
Matt (37:21):
So what's worst case?
They're not, they're just notgonna get a reference.
Jerry (37:25):
They don't give a shit about a reference.
incredible.
I don't, I kind of, I kind ofrespect it.
Matt (37:30):
Um, okay.
But then they're not thinkingabout.
Jerry (37:33):
the uk,
Matt (37:34):
It, it, it depends.
Its standard is a month or fourweeks, but normally with more
senior positions that can go up,so three months, six months,
like when you get to a quitehigh position, it's, it could be
up to six months.
Jerry (37:48):
Historically here though, if, if you're going to a
competitor, just let you go,even if you ask for two weeks
and then they'll pay you out fortwo weeks.
Matt (37:56):
Oh, okay.
So you go on what we call gardenleave.
Jerry (37:58):
Yeah.
Matt (37:59):
Yeah.
Yeah.
But,
Jerry (38:00):
they're
Matt (38:00):
but you can't start, you can't start for two weeks.
But yeah, it's just, so Isuppose they don't want you
around'cause you know you'regoing to a competitor, you might
start siphoning out information.
Yeah.
Jerry (38:08):
I mean,
Matt (38:08):
See that's the thing we have, if we have long, say long
notice period of three months,six months.
If you're gonna a competitor,they put you on garden leave.
So you're just getting paid tosit home for six months.
It's, it's the dream.
It's the dream.
Jerry (38:21):
All right.
Matt (38:22):
Um.
I think we've, I think we'vecovered work.
I think now anyone that'slistening here pretty much knows
what it, what it, what it takesto work in either country.
I'm sure there's some legalstuff about green cards and
that, but I'm, I'm sure that'sthe easy stuff.
As long as you know yourpension, you notice period, and
you can get fired instantly formasturbating in the office.
I think as long as they knowthose sort of things, I think
(38:43):
we're pretty good.
Okay, well, I think we're calledit there.
Um, see you next week.
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