Faith-Driven Leadership: Aligning Business with Spiritual Values with Mark McLoone

Matt Walton welcomes Mark Mcloone, an inspiring entrepreneur from Living Waters, to Avodah Talk for a journey into faith-driven leadership and business transformation. Hear about Mark's pivotal "lunch tour" that shifted his focus from self to service and the role of the KWM Bible study group during the tumultuous COVID era. Together, we dive into the significance of aligning business practices with spiritual values, emphasizing servant leadership, humility, and the transformative power of structured management practices inspired by resources like the Enneagram and "Traction" by Gino Wickman.

Explore the challenges and triumphs of integrating Christian values into business, particularly in personnel management. Mark and I share personal stories about making tough decisions when team members don't align with core values, underscoring the importance of prioritizing values over skills. Discover how fostering a faith-centered work environment can lead to both challenges, like praying with employees, and blessings, such as witnessing team members' spiritual growth. We also highlight strategies for success, like incorporating prayer into the workplace, leading by example, and embracing a culture of lifelong learning.

Celebrate the vision of Kingdom Wealth Managers and the power of collaboration, as Mark and I discuss the vital balance of personal and professional growth. The conversation touches on the art of delegation, trusting in God's provision, and the importance of family support. We also preview exciting future initiatives, like the Kingdom Wealth Managers Summit and an upcoming book on working successfully with your spouse. Through prayer and gratitude, we aim to inspire listeners to put God first in their entrepreneurial endeavors and to cultivate a thriving business rooted in spiritual values and divine guidance.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up, guys?
This is Matt with Avoda Talk orthe Real Matt Walton.
This is your hub for all thingsKingdom Business Business.
As Ministry Business Strategy,my goal is to provide as much
value, minute by minute, eachpodcast that you listen to.
So let's get to it.
What's up, guys?
Matt Walton, here with AvodaTalk or at the Real Matt Walton,

(00:21):
and welcome.
I am so excited about today.
As y'all know, I've been doingYouTube content and podcasts for
a little while now, but todayis the first podcast that I'm
doing with a guest, and so I amjust extremely, extremely
excited about that, because Ireally respect this man and
admire him and have a great lovefor this man and I will get
into exactly what I mean by thathere in a minute, but thank

(00:43):
y'all for coming.
Man, today has been anincredible morning.
I woke up early, got after it,spent a lot of time with the
Lord this morning and exercisedthis morning.
I went to bed last night ontime and got in bed before 930
and had all of my stuff set outfor this morning and I was just
ready to get after it.
So hopefully that encouragesy'all, because when we start
doing these things and takingownership over every little b

(01:05):
area in our lives, we start tofind ourselves with more freedom
and more time to spend with ourfamilies.
Spend time with the Lord andfocus on what really matters
within our business.
Let's get into it.
This is my very good friend,mark McClune man.
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Wow, what an introduction.
Thank you so much.
I'm humbled with all those kindwords.
I'm humbled to the show Wow,what an introduction.
Thank you so much.
I'm humbled with all of thosekind words.
I'm humbled to be here, thankyou.
Thank you so much for having meand I'm humbled that we get to
be.
I get to be the first guest.
Wow, what a privilege.
So I hope I don't screw it uptoo bad.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
So we I want to share how I met Mark and just a few
things that I have picked upfrom Mark and because I've
learned a lot.
And I went to a when I firstmoved out to Vegas this is like
right as I was buying or boughtthe business that I now own and
I was operating it as a kingdombusiness and thought that I was
the only one out here in Vegasthat was doing that.

(01:56):
And I had a buddy of mine thatintroduced me to KWM, which is
an entrepreneur's hub for allthings kingdom, and Mark is one
of the leaders in that, and sowhenever I went I heard you talk
about kingdom business and Iagain never heard anybody talk
about kingdom business out herebefore, and so God had put this
desire in me just to chat withyou afterwards and we chatted

(02:18):
for a few minutes and you hadinvited me and, I think,
everybody else in the KWM groupyou just opened yourself up and
your business up to invitepeople to the quarterly meetings
that you were having, and so Iwent to the quarterly meeting,
was able to see his team andjust sit in and really absorb
and learn, and then after that,mark had invited me to a leader
meeting of his, and so it wasmore of an intimate setting
there but was able to really seehow he and his wife and just

(02:41):
the rest of the team operate,and that was very eye-opening
for me.
It really put me onto a numberof things.
I in fact started doingquarterly meetings because of
what I learned through Mark onthat and we have seen salvation
happen at the quarterly meeting.
At one of our quarterly meetings, man, one of my guys got saved
in the quarterly meeting andthat wouldn't have happened if
it wasn't for that.
So that was really big for me.
And let's get into it.

(03:02):
Man, I want to hear reallyabout kind of how things got
going with you and I want tohear just a little bit about
your testimony and where youwere at in business before you
kind of converted, if you will,into a kingdom business, yeah,
and just what that looked like.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah, so Kingdom Wealth Managers is the name of
our Bible study business kingdombusiness group that we have.
That's kind of where thebeginning of my transformation
kind of started.
So I kind of wouldn't mindstarting there.
I mean, I've been a Christianfor a long time, but it was
right around COVID, like 2019,we were going into 2020 and

(03:41):
everyone's like 2020 vision.
We're going to see it's goingto be great.
And then boom, covid hit.
Um, but before that, I was doingthis lunch tour.
So I take people out to lunch,like we got to lunch and I was,
and the Lord started to reallyput on my heart just to serve,
you know, and I, you know, we'reall us are selfish, we're all

(04:02):
about me, me, me, what's in itfor me, and so the Lord, you
know, the Lord's not that way,of course.
He's all about love.
So I started taking people outto lunch, loving on them and
just being there, like what canI do for you?
Which was something that I hadto do to learn, and I had to
learn how to actually startdoing what the what the word of
God says, you know, and um,during this lunch tour, it was

(04:25):
probably like a year, like 17,18.
And then going into 19,.
I took Noel Casimiro out tolunch and he started telling me
about this Bible study KW, itwas called iron, sharpened iron,
it was called ISI back then andhe was coming to this Bible
study.
So I go to this Bible study andthis flamboyant, crazy gangster

(04:48):
his studies before he evenbrings a message.
And I started going and Icouldn't stop.

(05:11):
Every Friday morning at nine,30.
I just couldn't stop.
I couldn't stop and I wasgetting.
I was finally getting fed,getting fed more than I ever got
fed before from a church orfrom my pastor.
I say raised me, pastor, pastorPaul.
He raised me as a baby becauseI was 24, 25 when I gave my life
to the Lord, and so he taughtme how to be a father and a

(05:31):
husband but when I went to KWM,I really started to learn how to
become a Christian man of God.
You know, a businessman, a manthat lives with integrity, a man
that you know that's humble,and I was in a place where I go.
I have to start going to whereI wanted to own being there.

(05:53):
So he him, rob Bess, miguelGarcia and Noel Cosmero and I
all formed this group called KWM, and now we've turned it into a
business.
So now it's a for-profitbusiness and, praise God, we
just got our nonprofit, so we'realso a nonprofit as well, and
so we do business trainings, wedo mixers.
All we want to do is we want topour into people like you.

(06:16):
All we want to do is we want topour into business owners and
we tell everybody all the timewhen they come, please call us,
text us, whatever, Just let usknow what you need.
I I'm kind of going to go allover the place.
That's just the way it's goingto be.
But a lot of people that comedon't understand what the bible
says about living with an openhand and giving.
You know, and we believe ingiving it all away.

(06:38):
You know, because the oldcovenant was give 10.
Give a first fruit offering andthen going into the new
covenant.
Jesus gave it all, so we canjust believe.
We're going to give 100%.
We're going to give 100%.
I don't know what that lookslike to some people.
Some people might be givingaway 20%, 25%, 50%, whatever
that is, I don't know.
I mean, I give in all differentkinds of ways, but it's funny

(07:01):
how you can tell people that allthe time when you give, it's
going to be pressed on, shaken,overflowing.
That's what the Bible says, butthey don't believe it or they
just don't know how to trust Godin it.
You know, if they would justgive and we're not talking just
about money, we're talking aboutyour time, your talent.
You know being along, sufferingwith people, spending time

(07:23):
sitting there, listening, youknow, and it's funny because we
ask people to help us out and tovolunteer and some do, some
don't.
It's so great when somebodydoes, because that's when a
testimony happens.
And I just want to tell you,when somebody gives and they
just want to serve, miraclesstart happening.
We had this one girl, kataraKatara, I think and she came
like two or three weeks ago andshe's in her twenties and the

(07:46):
Lord's been putting on my heart.
We need to start opening thisup with worship, you know, cause
it's a business Bible study.
It's not in the church, it'soutside the four walls, which is
great, so it's in themarketplace.
So I'm like we gotta startworshiping in the marketplace.
So I told our team I'm like youguys, we got to start
worshiping.
So I just like, do you guysmind if I just start standing up
and worshiping?
They're like sure.
So I'm like, okay, I'm justgoing to do it old school, the

(08:07):
way Pastor Paul used to do it,like everybody, stand up, let's
just start worshiping.
No music, just singing andpraising them.
So I did that for a couple ofweeks.
You know, for about a minute ortwo we do't remember her name.
She comes, sits right next tome and I go, hey, what do you do

(08:28):
?
And she's like I'm a worshiper.
I'm like what, yeah?
And I'm like no way.
And I go, would you want tolead us in worship?
She's like sure, open hand,right, conduit, boom.
So she started worshiping and,wouldn't you know it, she comes
up for prayer the next week.
She's getting all kinds ofwords from God, from our team.
She called me.
I spent like 45 minutes on thephone, talked to her about sales

(08:50):
and about marketing her company.
I'm like do you know that nobodyever calls me?
I mean, I'm kind of gettingdown to the weeds here, but I
love it.
I offer.
Every week I stand up there andgo guys, call me man.
I'm doing multi-million dollarsworth of business here.
I have all this wealth ofknowledge I've failed so many
times that I can tell you somuch about how to run your
business and this one girl who'swilling to live like that

(09:14):
called me like the next week,help me, let's go.
I'm like I'm bringing my wifein right now and we're just
going to love on you and blessyou and I prayed for her.
And then I get up.
It's like, in Jesus name, amen,and she's just weeping, you
know, and I'm like so, um, butman, I mean going.
Going back to what you saidabout you met me, you went to my

(09:34):
meetings.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Not only that, I want to add this to that, one of the
things I just remember this asyou were talking one of the
things that I had first heardwhen I walked into KWM that day
was call us, because I will cometo your business and I will
pray over your business.
That was one of the things thatreally launched me into it,
because you were talking kingdombusiness, talking all that.
I thought I was the only oneagain that was doing that and
you were wide open to do that.
You, miguel, all of that, andfrom that that was whenever I
then went to your meetings andstarted being exposed to some

(10:05):
different things on how you dothings.
But that, right, there was thegiving Come, let us pray,
because I was going through somenonsense, we'll just say on the
acquisition of my business, andso I was really seeking out and
didn't even know that I wasseeking out, but just as soon as
I had heard that, it was likeyeah, that's something that I
need, so fast forward, I went toa couple of your meetings and
then you came back here and Ithink you had already came here

(10:28):
once before then, but you hadcame back to my shop and that
was whenever we had walkedaround and then you had came in
the office and you had prayedover me and my team.
Yeah, so incredibly gratefulfor that.
So that's something that outand we are seeing that in what
you just described.
Yes, there's many people thathave said yes, mark, I need your
help.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
But it's great coming and praying and giving it all
away.
And again, when we make moneyon our for-profit side, we give
all of our money to theapostolic ministries in our city
, like Kingdom Minded, a lot ofpeople that come to our place.
You know the Roar Fest.
I mean we just give it all awayand we do it just to serve.
I mean we just give it all awayand we do it just to serve, so
we're serving our community.
We're not making any money.
I mean we're just using themoney to build the company.

(11:27):
But, yeah, coming here and thenimparting into you has just
been a blessing to hear thetestimonies that you've told me
about your company, becauseyou're talking to me about how
you're praying with people,getting down with them.
You know you come to tears withpeople that you know need
Christ with them.
You know you're, you're, youcome to tears with people that
you know need Christ.
And it's like I.
I had my team, my two topleaders, project managers, come

(11:50):
to kingdom wealth managers onemorning and I said, guys, I want
them to share about what I usedto look like, like, and I and I
I was like, don't hold anythingback.
I told him I go.
I want you to share it to thegroup, because there's Mark 1.0
and then there's Mark 2.0.
I think there's Mark 3.
No, we're going to Mark 3.
Keep growing.
God just keeps on growing usright, and I go.

(12:10):
I want you to share what I usedto be like, because I used to
be crazy, pretty insane with egoand control freak and
micromanaging and not being agood leader.
I don't know if anybody knowswhich camera are we looking at?
This one.
So I don't know if anybodyknows this, but being a leader
means you have to look atyourself and say, hey, I suck
sometimes and I need to grow andI need to stop being such a

(12:32):
knucklehead.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Cancer to my team.
I have become the problem,right.
I want to talk about that,though.
I want to get into because Ithink when we talk about kingdom
business, I don't want foranybody that's listening to
think that we've got it allfigured out.
We've always been this way.
That's not the case at all.
We are constantly learning andgrowing and falling down and
being open to the correctionthat comes from the Holy Spirit

(12:56):
is a big part of being kingdomand having a kingdom business,
and so let's get into that.
I want to hear a little bitabout what it looked like
because I think you were inbusiness, but what it looked
like before you really gaveeverything over to Jesus and
just allowed him to take control.
So how were you?
And then what was that thing?
That kind of propelled you intochange, and then how did it
look after you had made that?

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Okay, I'll go back to that testimony.
I was going to hit on thattestimony but I'll go back to
that because we'll probably havea segue into it.
But I read a book called theRoad Back to you.
It's.
It's from I can't remember theauthor, but he's a Catholic
priest and it's about theEnneagram.
So I don't know if anyone'sreligious have there was a
religious issue about theEnneagram, but anyways, it's a

(13:45):
nine-sided behavioral matrixthing or whatever kind of, where
you see where you're at andwhere your personality is and
how you interact with certainpeople.
And it really helped me.
Look at who I was, you know, and, simply put, the author said
ask two or three people thisquestion what do you see in me
that I don't see but should?
So what do you see that I'mdoing?
That's not good and I, you,should.
I need you to tell me what I'mdoing so I can stop doing that,

(14:06):
because you can see me.
I can't see me and you can seemy blind spot.
So what's my blind spot?
And then when they tell you,you can't be defensive, you have
to let them tell you, becausethey're going to tell you
something that's probably youdon't want to hear, which is the
whole point of the question.
That's when it all changed forme, right there, and I asked my
dad and he said slow down.
And I asked one of the guysthat worked with me and he said

(14:28):
you think you're always rightand you're not.
And I was like whoa, that was abig one, man, you think you're
always right and you're not.
That's ego, right?
I'm the leader, I'm the one whocan micromanage and tell you
how to do everything.
And it's not about how you doit, it's just, it's about what

(14:50):
you do.
So I had to stop micromanagingeverybody and saying this is
what I need done.
Just do it however you want,you know.
And so that was right.
Right about the time when I metNoel for lunch.
Like I've known Noel for fromICA, our kids went to school
together, but when I met him forlunch, I went to KWM.
That's when my whole lifechanged.
Right when I read that book, Iwent to KWM.
The pandemic hit and I startedreading my Bible and you were
walking just to go back.
You were walking with the Lordfor a while.

(15:12):
Right, right, right, yeah.
So I was walking with the Lordfor a while.
I was a Christian that said Iwas a Christian, but I wasn't
really a Christian.
I was one of those fakeChristians, one of those what's
the word P was Thank you, poser.
I was a poser and I still havemy issues.
I mean, I'm still jacked up,trying to get better.
I'm working on it every day.
But once I started reading myBible, I was like, okay, this is
where I need to be.
And now I read five chapters aday and I've been reading the

(15:36):
Bible through every single yearfor the last five, six years now
, and so right around 2019 iswhen I really started getting
deep with the Lord and going tolike Lord.
I want this to be your business.
I want this to be your marriage.
I want this to be your friend,my friendship.
I want this to be everything.
I want it to be yours.
And that's when I started toreally grow and we did the Dave
Ramsey financial piece, got outof debt, we did all kinds of

(15:59):
entre leadership seminars, westarted learning about Traction,
the book Traction with GinaWickman and that's where I
implemented all these meetingsinto my company, which really
made me launch the next level.
Yeah, I mean I mean that's kindof it.
I mean I can go more into theemployee part of it too, because
I because that's a big deal toobut I mean in 2019, if you,

(16:22):
that's kind of the year where Ijust said, lord, I'm coming back
and I'm going to do this thinglike a serious man of God,
because I have so many peoplethat are depending on me and
we're putting food on theirtable and this company and I
want to grow this business and Iwant to serve them.
I was, I was all by myselfbefore that and then I was like
you know, I need to serve thesepeople and I really started to

(16:43):
learn what a servant leader isall about.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
How did you treat your people before that time?
And then, how did that shifttransfer or change how you
treated your?

Speaker 2 (16:52):
people.
So I was, because I startedlooking at all these companies,
weekly, monthly, quarterly,whatever and taking people out
to lunch.
I started realizing that peoplewere kind of the same as me.
Meaning the way I treated mypeople were was like my one
friend said you think you'realways right and you're not.
So I was treating him like I'mright and you're wrong.
Do it my way.
And I was forcing myself.

(17:13):
I was forcing everyone to movein a direction I wanted them to
move, and being the visionaryvisionary kind of drives
everybody crazy if he doesn'thave an integrator.
Yeah, because I had 50 ideasevery week and I tried to
implement about 25 of them andeveryone's like, wait a second.
Last week we were.
We thought you were doing this,and now this week you're doing

(17:33):
that, and I did that for years.
Does that make sense?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
So, oh, oh, mark wanted to dothat thing last week and now he
wants us to do this thing andthen next he wants us to just do
that thing and like, what doeshe want us to do?
Yeah, that's, and it was unfair.
But the real thing was I wasn'tloving them before.
Even though I was a christian,I wasn't serving them.

(17:56):
And then I started to realize Ineed to love these people and
the Lord had to put this love inmy heart.
You know, and I kind ofsometimes I cry when I talk and
I get a little emotional, sodon't mind me.
But I had to let some people go.
And when God put this love inmy heart and I started loving on

(18:18):
these people that I had to letgo, they didn't want me to
change.
You know what happens, yeah,when you're a leader and you
change, and people that havebeen around you for so long in
your company, even in yourfamily well, you can't fire your
family, but they've been aroundyou so long and all of a sudden
you grow to this level of loveand compassion and serving and

(18:42):
caring about them and they don'twant to grow.
They got to go.
They just don't line up withthe core values anymore.
They don't line up with what'sgoing on in my heart and our
company.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
So yeah, Does that make sense?
Amen, yeah, 100%.
And I want to kind of talk.
We may bounce back to some ofthat, but since we touched on
core values one of the thingsthat Mark had really put me onto
, because I'm big ondiscipleship in the marketplace
and all of that, and we're bigon using business as ministry

(19:14):
and how can we use the platformthat God has given us as
leverage to advance his kingdomand just move out of obedience
to him.
And I think a lot of Christiansthink that that can equate to
have to put up with all thenonsense.
And I have to.
I cannot let somebody go, andbecause that doesn't equate to
grace or whatever, I wouldchallenge that, because God
gives us an opportunity tosteward these things and it

(19:35):
doesn't mean that we're justiron fist and one time you're
gone.
But if we notice these patternsand we're tracking these things
and we notice that they'redragging the team down, that
equates to me is not.
We're not stewarding theplatform and the people that God
has put in front of us.
And so a lot of times it can bethe exact opposite of being
selfish to let them go, becausethat can not only be good for

(19:55):
for your business and for forGod's business, but can also be
good for that individual as well.
And who knows, you know, whoknows what that would encourage
that individual to do.
That was one of the firststories that I had heard from
him, because and he had sharedwith me how he had had to let
one of his top guys go when whenguys started to make him aware
of some of these things, andthat spoke volumes to me and you
know, it's kind of a great Idon't want to say great area,

(20:22):
but it's something that youtread lightly well and it has
nothing to do with them.
We weigh all of that, we wearall of that and I feel like with
kingdom business, we have tostart to pursue God and his yoke
and to take his yoke on, andthat helps us be able to

(20:43):
navigate letting somebody to go,or navigate the uncertain times
.
So talk a little bit about thatand what that was like and what
led you to that.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
So great.
That's a great way to put thatman.
I couldn't have put it bettermyself.
So we're going to go into thepeople component.
So in Traction we have sixdifferent areas that we work on
and we have the vision component, which is what you were talking
about the core values.
But then the people componentis something.
As a Christian, or maybe even assomebody who's insecure with

(21:12):
themselves which I was I stillhave issues with being insecure.
But when you're insecure it'shard to let somebody go, and my
wife can talk a little bit moreon this.
She didn't want to let him go.
You know this, this guy thatwe're talking about, that I had
to let go and normally ifsomeone is pretty high up in the
company and they're have a lotof responsibility, normally the

(21:34):
owner will go.
Oh you know what, if I let himgo, that's going to create a lot
more work for me, because now Igot to find somebody else and I
got to wear all that person'shats, right.
So it's kind of a selfish thingto not let somebody go from
your end.
It's not fair to the team aswell, because the whole team can
see that person needs to gomost of the time and when you're
a leader and you finally letsomebody that's toxic to the

(21:55):
team go, everyone's like thankyou.
What took you so long?
Right?
And so we were bringing thisguy in for meetings 10 meetings
over the course of maybe threeor four years or whatever.
Was the time when I was growingand starting to become a more
compassionate, loving person,caring person.
He wasn't.
And so finally, you know, Isaid, christine, we got, we got
to pull the trigger and I did.
And it was hard, it's not goingto be easy, especially if it's

(22:18):
one of your top guys.
It's not going to be easy, andevery and everyone has emotions
and it's very, very scary.
What are we doing?
And then, later on down theroad, I hired some more
salespeople, because he was oneof my sales guys and he was like
an operations guy too, so I hadto kind of give him hired
multiple people to fill hisseats on the bus, basically.

(22:38):
Then, later on down the road, Ihired more salespeople and I
found out that they weren'tlining up with our core values
as well, because people can getin the door.
It's my fault if they do, ifthey don't line up with the
values, and that's why we wantto make sure that they totally
line up with the values overskill, like you were talking
about earlier, very, veryimportant.
But somebody else came into thecompany and she ended up

(22:58):
quitting because some peoplehave to get fired and some
people will just quit becausethey don't feel comfortable.
They're like I'm not used tothis.
We pray for people.
I'm not ashamed of it.
We bring out the Bible in ourmeetings.
We love on people.
Whenever someone's goingthrough a hard time, hey man, we

(23:20):
lay hands on them, we anointthem with oil, and that's just
what we do.
And if it makes someoneuncomfortable, hey, I own the
place.
If you don't like it, there'sthe door.
So I mean, I'm a man of God, soI'm going to bring the word.
So this one girl who was apretty good designer she ends up
leaving took a couple of ourcustomers with her and I was
very hurt and it was very hardfor me not to be like.
You know how the Bible sayswe're supposed to forgive, and I

(23:42):
got to let this go.
Well, this one was not an easyone, because I felt like I kind
of got stabbed in the back alittle bit.
And that's going to happen,because business is kind of
messy sometimes and it'scutthroat.
And, miguel, he prayed over mewhen she quit because I just
spent like five grand on hersending her to a seminar in
Florida, just invested a ton ofmoney into her, and then, boom,

(24:03):
she leaves.
Are in Florida, just invested aton of money into her and then,
boom, she leaves.
I'm like what the heck?
And he goes.
He prayed over me, god's got aRolodex and he's got somebody
that's going to come into yourcompany and they're going to
lead you.
And I just hired somebody backin November.
I mean, we have these PPFmeetings personal, professional,
financial goals every quarter.
He does his first meeting withme and, dude, this dude is like

(24:23):
a visionary like me and I didn'teven know it.
I hired this guy, he's anawesome salesman and he's
already going.
He goes.
Here's my five-year goal.
I'm going to share this.
I already shared it with myteam, so he's not going to
matter, he's not going to care,because he gave me the
permission to do it.
He goes.
My five-year professional goalis to pick Living Water Up and
move it to Phoenix in five yearsand franchise the company.

(24:45):
And I'm like, oh my, and youhave not.
All of these prophecies andwords have been spoken over me
and my wife.
This is going to happen andI've written it down on all my
goal sheets.
That's what I want to do.
I want to go national andeverything, and for him to say
that was a confirmation to theprayer that Miguel prayed a year
ago or so that God's going tobring you somebody that's going
to lead you.
And I was like, wow, this isgood.

(25:08):
So again, when we're businessowners, we have to, and leaders,
we have to, hire people thatare smarter than us.
Yeah, right, yes, and we haveto be okay with people being
better than we are.
Yes, because the egotisticalbusiness owner wants to always
be right and wants to be the onethat knows everything and
everyone is below.
But the business owner who's aman of God, who's humble, who's

(25:30):
a real leader, who puts ego outof the way, puts everybody up on
top and says you guys go, I'mgoing to build this foundation,
I'm going to keep on buildingthe foundation.
Everybody else, lead right, goahead and lead the company, and
just my ceiling is your floorright.
Just go higher than I, than Ican go, because for us to hit
our goals of, you know, 25million, a hundred million.

(25:50):
There's only so much marketshare here in Vegas, so I have
to go national right If we'regoing to hit those targets.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
So yeah, that's awesome, yeah, and it's coming,
and I want to go back just alittle bit and explain briefly
what it is that you do.
So this company is Living Water, lawn and Garden based out of
Las Vegas, soon to be in a townnear you, amen.
So I want to talk about exactlylike what you do and what you

(26:16):
offer Right.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
So we create outdoor living spaces, outdoor living
spaces for the residentialcommunity here in Las Vegas.
We have a mission, and thereason why we get out of bed
every morning is to build strongservant leaders and work with
like-minded contractors so thatwe can serve our clients, solve
problems and make a profit.
That we can serve our clients,solve problems and make a profit
, and that's pretty.
So the mission of the businessis even greater than what we do
as a company.
Building outdoor living spacesis patios, barbecues, pools,

(26:45):
spas, all the landscape,planting, irrigation, lighting,
rock turf.
We have people that can buildcasitas for you, you know room
additions, patio covers,whatever it is outside or
attached to the house that goesoutside, or build a structural.
We can figure out how to dothat for you If we can't do it
for you.
We have subs.
We have people that we workwith.
So when we say we work withlike-minded contractors, we're

(27:07):
here to change the constructionculture in Southern Nevada.
I think I missed that part.
So we're here to change theconstruction culture in Southern
Nevada by building strongservant leaders, and that's the
mission.
So it's bigger than the company.
The company is there just sothat we can build leaders like
you or like other people in ourindustry.
And I don't know if you knowthis or not, but Vegas is known

(27:28):
for not having very goodcontractors that will come to
your house and take care of you,because it's a gambling, drug,
alcohol kind of a town, right.
So you know, it's hard to trustpeople when they're just
fly-by-nighters and they're just, you know, oh, yeah, I can help
you out.
And then I just heard a storyof a guy who was going to older
communities marketing a legitbusiness landscape company would

(27:50):
take their money and then justnever come back and he just got
arrested like two days ago.
And so there's that kind ofpeople in town and it just gives
business a bad name.
But yeah, I mean, you know, we,we do all kinds of custom work.
We, we do beautiful, uh,backyards.
Um, we, we design build.
So, uh, we're a design buildcompany.
My wife and I come out, we havedesigners on staff, we have

(28:11):
sales people, uh, we do all thework in house.
We have a big two acre propertysoon to be four acres or more,
god willing but yeah, I mean, wejust love.
What I'm really passionate aboutis design Me and my wife, we
are designers, we love to sitdown.
We do 3D renderings, we do thewhole material selection.
We show you everything that'sgoing to go in your yard.

(28:34):
You come to our office, youeverything that's going to go in
your yard.
You come to our office, we willsign you up with a consultation
, get you going and then youknow.
Our goal is to really make thatexperience of the
transformation of theconstruction project the best
thing you've ever done with yourlife.
Because most of the time peopleare spending, you know, 50, 100
, 200, 500 grand and that's likethe one time in their life that
they're ever going to do that,or maybe two.

(28:55):
I mean, how often do you spend$200,000 or $100,000 in the
backyard?
It's not very often, but thoseare the type of people who are
like I'm going to do this, I'veonly done it one time before or
this is the first time I'm evergoing to do this.
It better be the bestexperience of your life and

(29:38):
that's what we was to.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
Go out, they'll collect deposit from you and
then you don't hear from themagain.
Yeah, they're out of newssomewhere, you know.
And so we come in as kingdombusiness and say, yeah, we're
going to operate different.
We're we're, we're going tooperate out of integrity and all
of these things, right, butit's more than that, because
there's so many people thataren't kingdom that are still
operating with that same,similar mindset.
But we're about humandevelopment and how can we pour
Christ into every interactionand transaction that we have?
So it makes business not justtransactional but it makes it

(30:02):
personal and we love to get tothe level where we want to go
and that God's called us to goto.
I've got to bring on some peoplethat are smarter than I am,
that are better than I am atdoing this that they're the most
rewarding things in the world.
So I want to get into, I wantto kind of pivot now.
So we got into the verybeginning years and understood
that.
So now let's talk about thekind of those years where growth

(30:24):
I guess we'll start maybe 2019,2020.
I want to talk about where Iget into some culture and

(30:58):
leadership.
So those are two things likeculture and leadership.
How did you change your culture?
What did you do?
What does it look like now?
How do you view leadershipwithin your business and growing
servant leadership?

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Yeah.
So I always got to go back tothe traction model.
I mean, the traction modelchanged my business because I
had to put systems and processesin place, systemize my company,
and you know it was like awhole new world opened up for me
once I started, to a systemthat works.
And this traction model hasworked for, you know, hundreds
of thousands of companies allover the country, probably the

(31:28):
world.
And now I'm onto a new bookcalled the EOS lifestyle, which
I can get into later.
But one thing that changed mybusiness was I hired somebody to
pray.
So I got like a she's achaplain, we can call her a, I
don't know.
She's like I got a doc, she's adoctor, she's, she's an amazing
woman of God and anytime wehave an issue it goes to Alma.
Alma, we need prayer.
Got an issue with a client?

(31:48):
Alma, we need prayer.
Got an issue with health,health issue with somebody Alma,
we need prayer.
So we have some and she prayswith a prayer chain around the
world.
So when we have an issue, we goto the word and we go to prayer
.
And it's going on all over theworld for living water, for
living water issues, because I'mlike, yeah, right, kingdom.
So that's one thing thatchanged the company, I would say

(32:10):
significantly.
Again, the attraction model, thecore values, are huge.
If you're in business and youdon't have core values, stop
what you're doing.
Stop what you're doing rightnow.
Write down your core values andlive by them.
Hire fire, make every decisionwith them, do everything that
you can with those core valuesand everything where it'll line
up on those guardrails.
And if they're outside of thoseguardrails, don't do it.

(32:32):
We take pride in our work andcontinually strive for
excellence cool people that areeasy to work with.
We serve and care about peopleand we're respectful and
conscientious.
If you don't display those,then we've got to bring them for
a meeting and we have to talk,and then we'll let you back out
and go for it, right, but aslong as you're in those

(32:59):
guardrails.
And the thing is, when you'rethe owner now you have to do it
too, right?
So if I'm going to have thesecore values, I have to display
them, so I have to hold myselfaccountable to them in front of
everybody.
So that was a huge thing.
And then, of course, the corefolks, which was the mission
statement, is a big deal,because the whole team has to
recite the core values and themission statement At our
quarterly meetings.
We give them money if they cando it and we want it to be

(33:19):
memorized and ingrained.
And we want people walking downthe halls in our office
speaking out the core values andspeaking out the core focus man
, because once you get everybodyon the same page, rowing in the
same direction, there's nostopping a business like that,
and a business like that canthrive in any economy too.
So whether it's good or bad manit's, the business is going to
keep on going.

(33:40):
If everyone's rowing in thesame direction, that's awesome,
yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Speaking of everybody rowing in the same direction.
I know there's a number ofdifferent ways that I that I do
that here, and you know a lot ofthat starts up at the top right
.
So it starts with how we lead,and are we leading our people
appropriately?
Are we leading by example, orare we just up there using our
words in order to divert peopleto where we want them to go?

(34:03):
And I'm big on being theexample and showing people this
is the way that we do it, ratherthan telling them you have to
do it this way.
And that's what I've seen withinmy business.
I've seen people really step upto the plate at that point yeah
, and because it's like theirs,they're able to take ownership
of that.
Yeah, that's been a good way.
There's other ways as well.

(34:23):
I'm exploring some competitivepay, like some incentive-based
pay that help people run at thesame pace.
So touch on that just a littlebit more.
Unpack that getting people torun at the same pace.
What was it like in thattransition whenever you went
from kind of your the top downleadership style to full team?

Speaker 2 (34:38):
So, yeah, we have incentives, bonuses, we have
different things that we do toreward people.
I definitely like agree withwhat you said, which is here's,
here's the way I would do it.
I want you to mingle my waywith your way, and and and and.
You know, make it happen thatway or you can do it your own
way, but this is what, this isthe result we need.
So I'm not really concernedabout how we get there, I just

(34:59):
want to get there and I want toget there effectively and timely
.
But you know, simon Sinek has abook called Start With why.
I'm reading that right now, areyou?
Yeah, okay, so the very lastchapter.
You should probably read thatone and go back, because I play
that last chapter for my team atleast once a year.
I have it on Audible, so it'slike 10 minutes and the last
chapter is so powerful and hetalks about this runner and he

(35:21):
has cerebral palsy and he losesevery single race he runs.
But the point of the whole storyis that he competes against
himself every single day.
So I play this to my team and Isaid we are not competing
against the people out there.
We bring our competition in andshow them kind of.
You know, we don't show themour secret sauce, but we, you

(35:43):
know, help them with business.
I bring my competition over toour office and I show them new
things that are going on in themarket and new materials and
whatever.
You train them, right?
Yeah, we train our competitionand I'm showing my team this
like we're not competing againstthem.
We're competing against gettingbetter ourselves every single
day, you know, and that's hugebecause, if you know and I, I

(36:06):
challenged my leadership team toto learn and to grow and to
read books and the notes in thepodcast.
So it's, you're a, you're alifelong learner.
Right, I'm a lifelong learner.
We're just constantly devouringcontent and getting as much
knowledge as we can.
My mission is to get my team todo the same thing and hire
people that are like that.
So I mean, if you do that andyou get your team all rowing in

(36:27):
the same direction with thatkind of mindset of being a
lifelong learner, and changingis hard and a lot of people
don't want to change, you knowno-transcript.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
that will kind of touch on um, their one, three,
five-year goals and personal,professional, financial, get
into all of that and break thatdown and and um, I think those
are ways that they really helpgetting people to move in that
same direction.
But it also exposes who's rightand who's not.
You know, for your team so youtalked about you know getting
better and all of that, and Iknow we're both big believers

(37:24):
and it starts with us right.
We're at the top of the company.
We have to be the one that'sdriving this growth Right.
So what are you working onright now and what have you
continuously or consecutively orconsistently worked on that has
helped you?

Speaker 2 (37:39):
grow?
Wow, good question.
So right now I'm working onslowing down right One of my
blind spots and I'm working onworking less.
When you're an entrepreneur,you're kind of turning this
workaholic, and I don't want tobe a workaholic.
I want to spend some time andenjoy my life.
I want to spend some time andenjoy my life.
I want to enjoy my family,enjoy my wife.
So one of my goals I'm a bigbeliever in setting goals and

(38:02):
you know the one three, five, orthe one three, 10, whatever
year goals, um, but I'm workingon taking time out.
Now.
I have a clarity break once aonce a month where I don't do
any work for the whole day on aFriday, not on a Sunday.
So I do respect the Sabbath.
Of course.

(38:22):
I take the Sabbath off.
I don't turn on my computer, Idon't do any business on the
Sabbath, but now I'm doing aclarity break once a month where
I'm just completely shuttingout the business, which is
really hard to do, and my goalis to take four weeks off,
completely off this year, onceevery quarter.
My goal is to take four weeksoff completely off this year,
once every quarter and I'm justworking on meditating and just
being with God and just likegetting into a quiet place.

(38:43):
Because it's just, if you were,if you were inside my head,
you'd be like, oh my gosh,what's wrong with you?
You know, just constantly going, I get it.
It's never.
It just never stopped, yeah,never.
It's like I wake up and it'slike, oh, I got 10 ideas right
now.
I got to read my Bible first.
Hang on, lord, I'm going to putyou first.
But yeah, so I mean, that'swhat I'm working on slowing down
, that's what I'm working onright now.
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
It's so big for people to hear that too, because
one of the things that God'sput on me is you know, we're
hustlers, not just where I wantto go, but where I believe God's
called me to go.
That hustler has to die and wehave to kill that off, because
that's when we truly start tounderstand the art of delegation
, the art of empowering others.
That gives us more time tospend with our family and more
time to be intentional aboutsome of those other things.

(39:30):
I love that man because so manypeople think that and there's
seasons, right, I'm coming offof a season where you work 12,
14, 16 hour days, you know, andit's part of it's part for the
course.
You have to do that Exactly andI'm grateful I've got a wife
that understands those thingsand she's like, while you're
doing that, I'm going to betaking care of some things at
the house and she takes care ofour daughter, does some other

(39:52):
things, because she knows thatwithin a couple of weeks and we
were right back doing the things, but she supplements that.
I know Christine is, is awesomeas well and support you and vice
versa.
I mean, I love y'all's.
We're going to do a part two,by the way for all the listeners
and have have his team.
Yeah, please Can.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
I do a teaser, christine teaser.
So my wife, she's amazing, butI want to.
I wanted to share more aboutthis, but she'll tell you that,
um, I really didn't start togrow until I started listening
to my wife all the time.
I mean, I just constantly like,whatever she says, I'm doing it
.
Rarely give her any pushbackanymore.
I used to be very selfish andjust do it all my way.
But, men, your wives, yourwives are blessings.

(40:28):
God put them in your life for areason.
Please listen to them.
If you do that, man, you're,you're going to be good, you're
going to be good to go and, uh,even, even if she's not involved
with the business directly,still still.
Oh yeah, oh yeah, anything like,like she, I'm the visionary,
she's the integrator.
So I have the 50 million ideas.
She says, no, those are allstupid, we'll just do this one,
okay, and I just, she just hasamazing instincts.

(40:49):
But yeah, I, I really, reallyhave changed and started to
change when I started listeningto her and completely submitting
to her.
But she'll say she'll be like,look, if there's a decision that
needs to be made and she's oneway and I'm the other way and I
believe that I want to go my way, she's going to come underneath
me and submit and she's goingto let me be the man of the

(41:09):
house and she's going to say,okay, no-transcript.

(41:37):
I mean, she has a greatintuition.
She's very, very skilled withher skill set of being with
people and she's a greatbusiness person.
I could not do this without mywife.
Getting back to the people, theone thing I wanted to say about
pouring into the people in yourcompany is there's two issues

(41:57):
with the company.
One is people and the other oneis your people have issues with
money.
Your people are one of yourissues of growing and then one
of their issues is moneyproblems, and so we teach our
people about finances and wepour into them and we show them
how to get out of debt, we showthem how to save money, we show
them how to invest and we showthem how to be wise with their

(42:17):
money.
And when you get your peoplewise and they and it takes time,
you know you have to be patient.
It takes, you know, in thefield or in the office or
whatever, because they're notstressed out.

(42:39):
You know, because eight out of10 people are living paycheck to
paycheck and the number oneproblem with marriages is money,
you know.
So if we can get that problemsolved, your people are going to
work at a high, high level.
That's a big deal and the PPFsare huge personal, professional,
financial goals.
I just want to say havemeetings with your people once a
quarter whether you call it aPPF or just call it a review or

(43:02):
whatever once a quarter and findout what's going on for your
people, right, like, be actuallyinterested in their life.
I find that if I am interestedin their life, we're going to
get down on a cellular likelevel where we can work together
as a organism.
That's everyone's working, likeI said, rolling in the same
direction.
But people, what does it saywhat do they say?
People don't care how much youknow until they know how much

(43:24):
you care.
I mean, like, when you starttalking about, like their family
and their home and what's goingon with their parents or their
kids or whatever man people,they'll, they'll run through
walls for you, you know, andthey'll.
I mean I have one guy who's oneof my main guys and he tells me
he loves me all the time, youknow, and he says God bless you.
And he and he just, can youpray for me?

(43:46):
And you know, like I told mywhole team, like the beginning
of the year we had our firstmeeting, I said look, guys, we
are in a construction field herewhere there's no love.
It's F this and screw that andda, da, da, da, and everyone's
fighting against each other andeveryone's competing against
each other within the company.
I'm better than you.
We're doing it different.
We're loving each other, youknow.
And I and I tell them do youlove being with your, your

(44:09):
fellow employee here, do you?
Do you love him?
And and then when I go out onthe job site, I hug them every
time.
Every time I see my guys, Igive them a hug.
How you doing.
Love you, man.
What's going on?
I mean, that might take a yearor two to kind of break the mold
if you've never done thatbefore, but start doing that and
you will be way ahead of thegame, because people love to be

(44:29):
loved, people want to be loved.
The Bible says that God is love, and when we come from that
place and we love on our people,man, they are going to do
anything you want you know, in agood way, of course, but I mean
they're going to make yourcompany so successful man.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
So that just makes me think about, you know, that's
kingdom.
When we talk about kingdombusiness, it's like so what does
that practically look like on aday to day basis?
And I think there's so manybusinesses out there that are
transactional.
And yeah, we're just we're.
We're performing a task for theclient and that's it.
You know, our, our employees orthe, our subs or whoever it is

(45:04):
that's doing that's completingthat task.
They're there until they're not, and then they'll be back
tomorrow and we're justtransactional.
And so we remove thepersonality from it, remove the
relationship aspect of it.
And what I see in the Bible andwhat I see as being a kingdom
business is we have to bedifferent.
We are called to more, we arecalled to love our people and
elevate our people, and it's soawesome when we start to see our

(45:28):
people that I've had guys thathave told me I've never had a
boss be this way.
I've never had a boss pull meinto the office and do these
things, and it made them veryuncomfortable at the very
beginning, to where they werevery defensive and they did not
receive it, and then you justkeep being you, you don't cram
it down their throat, yourespect where they're at.
You meet them where they're atand the next thing you know they
pull you aside during a serveday or during a quarterly

(45:48):
meeting and they're ready togive their life to the Lord on
the clock.
And those are the ways that wedo.
It is is is, little by little,we start to make these, make
these connections with them, towhere they understand that, yeah
sure, they're signing thechecks and cutting the checks
and providing the work and doingall of that, but they really do
care.
And I feel like that may needto be a a a, a shift in hearts

(46:10):
or perspective or a viewpoint ofbusiness.
For for a lot of us and I wasone of them, you know I was with
my last business I was verytransactional.
I did not know the Lord.
The business existed to pad mypockets and so that I could go
and do what I wanted to do.
And I think, being kingdom,you're like man.
I want to die to that.
I actually would much rather beobedient to what God wants me to

(46:33):
do and I don't like, I don'tlike.
How quickly can I cut thischeck and give this away,
because I don't want for it toever have an opportunity to have
my heart or even have a portionof my mind.
And when God starts to makethat shift in your heart and
make you a new creation and youbecome less resistant to that,
that's when you start to reallysee.
Your clients start to treat youa little bit differently.

(46:54):
Even clients that may not havebeen happy with you before.
They can see somethingdifferent in you.
And you always give God all theglory.
Your people start to come up toyou and ask you questions.
That's what it's all about.
So that's what it makes methink about when you say that.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
Yeah, and you know what.
You are a great example,because what you do here and
what we do is we're like afather to these people.
You know, like God's given usan authority to say, okay, these
people may have never prayed intheir life, they may have never
even opened the Bible, they mayhave even read a scripture,

(47:25):
they may have never even been tochurch, so like we're the
closest thing to church, toJesus, that they'll ever meet or
be with.
Because, let's face it, I meanwe're going to go back to that
change again.
It's hard to change, but yousaid like you said little by
little, you said, okay, this day, this week, this month, I'm
going to keep on loving you, I'mgoing to keep on praying for
you, and I mean you're a greatexample of that.

(47:47):
And then, you know, our wivesget to become like a mother to
people.
You know, and again, that'shuge.
Yeah, yeah, man, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
I want to talk about.
We're getting to the end.
I want to talk about the art ofdelegation real quick, because
I feel like that's somethingthat can help propel people to
another level.
So let's talk about that justbriefly.
And then I want to get intosomething supernatural.
I want to hear how I'll ask thequestion, but I want to hear
something.
I want to hear somesupernatural.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Okay, cool Delegation .
Yeah, I mean you got todelegate to grow, Like we were
talking about before.
There's a me leader, a weleader, us leader.
So in order for you to growyour company to where you want
it to go and to get, I mean, acompany that's not growing is
declining and will eventuallyfail.
So you want to keep on growingthe business every single year
and that is by delegating.
And that's one of the things onmy list.
It's actually in my task list.
I have it in there all the time.
It's delegate one thing tosomebody every quarter off of my

(48:41):
plate.
So, as long as I'm delegatingthe things that I do, just think
about all the tasks that you doevery day.
Write down all of the importantthings that you do not, the
stuff that you love to do, thestuff that you need to do that
you don't love to do, thatsomebody else is better than you
at.
I do the stuff that you need todo, that you don't love to do,

(49:02):
that somebody else is betterthan you at.
I am working on giving that onething, or there's probably about
10 of them, giving one of thosethings away to somebody every
single quarter, which means Ihave to build a leader up in
that area and say here, this ishow I do it, this is how I think
we should do it.
What do you think about that?
Well, how would you like to doit?
Or whatever, and then fullygive that over to you.
And again, I tell this to allmy team all the time don't be
afraid to fail.
People have such a problem withbeing perfect and there's a lot

(49:23):
of perfectionism and aperfectionist spirit that I just
want to blow up because it'sjust, we're all messed up right,
we're all jacked up, we allhave issues right.
So I really encourage my teamto fail, and fail fast, make a
decision quick and then don't dothat again and I'm okay, Don't
lose a million dollars.
But eventually I got to bepulled away from the company and
let my team grow without me.

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You know, if I'm going to growto where I want to go, I have to
go on vacation for a week, turnthe phone off and be like come
back, hey, how did we do?
You know?
And if, if we lost some moneyor whatever great, they have to
learn how to grow.
They need me to go away just asmuch as I need me to go away so

(50:06):
that they can grow.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Does that make sense?
A hundred percent?
Yeah, yeah, um, yeah, I'mreminded of a story that I heard
from a guy that's kingdom aswell.
His name is lead Domingue.
I don't know him personally,but he shares a story about how
he started to separate himselffrom his team in the morning
time and he got started toreally expose to him you need to
be praying, be an intercessorfor just everybody around you.

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And so he started to pray inthat, 30 minutes, 10 minutes,
turned into 30 minutes, turnedinto an hour, two hours, three
hours to the point wherewhenever he would go to his team
or go to the office, his teamwould be like you need to go,
you don't need to be here rightnow, you need to do whatever it
is that you were doing.
And that's such a big part ofsaying God, this is your
business.
And I think it's something thatevery believer wrestles with,

(50:48):
or every kingdom entrepreneur orkingdom business person
wrestles with, is living in thatsurrender and living in that
God, this is yours.
I am the steward of that, andthere's so many times whenever
something's not going our way.
Maybe we haven't sold a job ina while and we want to take it
back into our hands because wecan make it happen faster or we
can make something happen andkingdom business says no, I'm

(51:11):
going to recognize whenever I dothat and I'm going to back off.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
So here's a story and this will kind of lead into the
supernatural too.
It's a supernatural and it's adelegating story all at the same
time.
In November, we were startingto slow down and the market was
really weird towards the end ofthe year last year and we
weren't doing, we weren't makinga lot of sales, and so December

(51:35):
and January were tough.
We have six crews, seven crews.
We were trying to keep them allbusy and you know, if they
don't, we don't have work, theydon't have food on the table,
right, right, yeah, so we had tokind of go down the five crews
and kind of consolidate things.
And julia, our cfo, my daughter,she is starting to break down

(51:57):
emotionally every week.
I mean maybe about a week here,a week there, whatever, not
like every week.
But she was breaking down infront of the team, crying,
crying, like a panic attack.
I don't know what we're goingto do.
We need work.
And Christina and I are justlike do you remember what God
did last year?
Do you remember where we wereat?

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We lost $40,000 on a job in2023.
We had $800,000 that peopleowed us that they weren't paying
.
That was before Christmas lastyear.
Remember that?
Yeah, I'm like we're here.
Now we're going to watch God doit again.
My wife and I were just super,just at peace, and my daughter

(52:42):
is freaking out.
I love you, julia.
She's amazing.
We had to delegate this to hernot the worrying part, but for
her to be a leader in thecompany.
She had to go through this,which was hard.
And here we are.
We're busy again, everyone'sall working, we got jobs, we're
rolling and it's good.
But sometimes you got to letyour people go through hard

(53:05):
times and just let them dealwith it for them to grow, and
that's how you delegate rightand then let the Lord do what
he's going to do in them Makesense yeah, a hundred percent,
man, that's awesome, yeah, um.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
So last question for you and um, and then we'll wrap
up.
I really want to.
I want to pray, um, I wouldlove for you to pray, yeah, okay
With that, um, and specifically, we want to pray for everybody
listening, um, and to care agreat deal about, uh, maybe,
maybe you're a believer, but youhaven't, you know, started
operating your business as akingdom business.
I really hope that Mark's storyand some of these principles

(53:39):
that he's applied to hisbusiness, and our prayers, that
that would that, that would helpy'all make that transition,
because no in scripture does itsay that things are going to be
smooth sailing and that samething goes for business, like
whenever you have kingdombusiness.
It doesn't mean that you'realways going to be flourishing,
profit wise and have all of thissense of money, but it does
mean that we have the giver ofall things peace, love, joy.

(54:02):
We have everything that we needwhen we press into God and
whenever we give everything overto God in those moments right,
because there's so many timeswhen I find myself not doing
that, and yesterday was one ofthem I had to walk back to the
corner of my lot and I justspent a few minutes in prayer
and gave that over to the Lordand we got to do that sometimes.
You know so, kind of just justto finish this off, what are you

(54:23):
most excited for for for thefuture?
Paint me a vision for for whereyou, your business, your family
, relationship with the Lord.
Whatever it is, what's comingup for Mark?

Speaker 2 (54:34):
So you know, I'm really, really passionate about
Kingdom Wealth Managers.
You know it's a ministry thatwe do for business owners and
entrepreneurs and leaders.
My passion is to teach peoplehow to do business and do it the
way the Bible shows us and theway Jesus taught us, because I
mean, jesus went into themarketplace to raise up the

(54:54):
disciples.
He didn't go into the temple,the synagogue, right.
So the marketplace is a greatplace to have the freedom and
thank you for this.
You know living in a capitalistcountry where we can live in a
free market system, but mypassion is to teach people in
the future how to keep ongrowing and do the business, do

(55:16):
their businesses and hopefully Ican help them not make the same
mistakes that I've made.
And I think I have some prettygood advice.
I think I have some pretty goodbattle wounds and scars and
failures that I can learn fromand teach people.
I'm really passionate aboutthat.
I mean I want to see we have aKingdom Wealth Managers Summit

(55:39):
this year At the end of the year.
We're going to bring inspeakers.
It's going to be blown out.
It's going to be awesome.
So I want to start having theseseminars.
I want to start doing theseconferences to just have people
come and learn from other men ofGod, women of God, leaders in
the marketplace.
I want to write a book this yearwith my wife about how to do

(55:59):
business with your wife.
I don't think we have a namefor it yet, but it's basically
how to do business rightalongside your spouse, and
whenever I you know, wheneverwe're with somebody or a client
or even some of our employees,they're like I could never work
with my husband, I can neverwork with my wife and I.
We hear that a lot, but ittakes both husband and wife
humbling themselves, you know,and just really loving each

(56:23):
other to work together, andwe're really passionate about
that.
So I want to teach people andthrough this book and we've
already have some of it writtenUm, I'm, I'm going to put it all
together this year.
God willing, we'll, we'llrelease it this year, yeah, yeah
, in Jesus name.
But, uh, I'm passionate aboutmarriage.
I'm passionate about that aswell.
Um, so that's where I'm at.
That's awesome man.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
Yeah, how would love for people to have access to you
, like I have access to you.
Yeah, if you would be open tothat.
Um, how can I get ahold of you?
Just call me.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
Can I get my phone number?
Sure, it's a 702-400-1212.
Um, we're at living water LV.
Uh, I don't even know myhandles, man, I don't know if
you can edit that Instagram.
Yeah, you can edit that.
Put that in the descriptionbelow.
It's on the screen.
And then KWM is KWM TV onYouTube.

(57:16):
It's KWM TV and we are what doyou call it casting?
We're live streaming everyFriday at 930 at KWM TV.
So take a look at that.
It's a's a great message.
And uh, call me, text me, Idon't care.
Uh, blow my phone up.
Uh, I love to share with youeverything that you, any

(57:39):
questions you might have.
Uh, I'm here for you.
I'm here to serve.
I want to serve you.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
So yeah, that's awesome, man.
Well, this did not disappoint.
Um, I'm just man, I'm grateful.
I've learned a ton of thingsfrom you, so I want to honor you
and I know earlier I gave you aletter.
It goes through some of thesethings here but, man, I actually
touched on it with your wife.
The way that you speak aboutyour wife behind her back is one
thing that I have reallygleaned and learned from you.

(58:04):
That's very powerful to me.
I've known a lot of opposite ofthat and so to see that in
action has encouraged andempowered me to do the same.
I fail a lot really do.
But, man, me and my wife, welove working together and I mean
I trust her.
She's a go-getter, she hearsfrom the Lord and she's very
similar hey, look out for thisor hey, look at that.

(58:25):
So if y'all have theopportunity to do that, man, we
highly recommend it.
It'll challenge you, it'll helpyou grow, also as an individual
and as a man.
But I want to honor you on that, man and how you treat your
people, how you're selfless andyou're a servant.
You know great leader, you'realways available.
You know every time that I'vecalled you, texted you, you've

(58:45):
always been available.
You know every single time,invited me to different things,
invited me to your birthday,welcomed me in with your family
and introduced me to everybodyyour mom, everybody, man so just
incredibly honored for that,grateful to know you and have
you as part of just in my circle.
We're going to do a lot of goodthings together, man, already.
This is this is one of manythings that we've, that's many

(59:05):
conversations that we've had,and I'm just grateful for that.
So, for everybody that is outthere, reach out to them.
But we would love it if youdownloaded, liked or shared this
episode, no matter where you'relistening to it.
Please share it with friends.
Again, our mission is to bringthe kingdom to the marketplace.
I believe that we have a uniqueopportunity as kingdom business
people to transform this world,but it starts with you.

(59:29):
You have to be working onyourself and working on your
business and your family.
Your relationship with the Lordis the most important thing,
because everything flows fromthat.
You make yourself like a vessel, or you allow God to purify you
into a vessel that he can use,and you'll be amazed, man, god
will take you through some ofthe craziest things, some of the
most beautiful things, some ofthose challenging times, but you

(59:51):
will maintain that peace andthat joy throughout those
moments and when you don't, youknow exactly why, and you can go
right into that what a God weserve.
We're going to pray.
We'd love for Mark to pray overevery listener out there, so
let's get into it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
So, before we pray, I just want to say you are one of
my most favorite entrepreneurs.
Brothers in Christ, this guy'samazing when you call, when you
text.
I cannot wait to get back toyou because he's just got so
much going on in his brain.
I want to hear all about it.
So I appreciate you and I honoryou as well, and I thank you

(01:00:26):
for being.
I thank you for allowing me tobe here.
I really do so.
I'm excited about what's goingto happen, too, in the future.
It's not easy to be a Christian.
It's messy, but man, it's fun,it's exciting and God's always
doing great stuff.
So let's pray.
So, father, we just thank you,lord.
I thank you for Matt and hiswife and his business and his
family, lord, and we just prayfor this podcast that you would

(01:00:47):
just blast this net out there,that everyone would hear it,
that whoever does hear it,father, god, that they would
learn, that they would grow,that they would want to change.
I pray that your people would beinspired to change.
To put you first, there's noweapon formed against us that
shall prosper, and you did notgive us a spirit of fear, but a
power of love and a sound mind.

(01:01:08):
So I just pray for love, lord,to go out into this message.
I pray that people would hearthe message of love.
I pray that they would love ontheir people, love on their
spouses, love on their familyand, mainly, love on you, father
.
So we just thank you.
Thank you for Jesus, thank youfor the blood, lord, we just ask
that you just cover all of thisright now in your blood and

(01:01:29):
with who you are.
Father God, we just thank youthat you have amazing, amazing
grace and mercy and, lord,you're just amazing and so
awesome.
So we just pray, in the name ofJesus, that you bless this
podcast, bless my brother, blessthe future podcasts and his
business and our business andyour business.
So I pray your business beblessed in Jesus' name Amen.