Hearing God in Business: A Conversation with Miguel Garcia

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up guys?
This is Matt with Avoda Talk,or the Real Matt Walton.
This is your hub for all thingsKingdom Business Business as
Ministry Business Strategy.
My goal is to provide as muchvalue, minute by minute, each
podcast that you listen to.
So let's get to it.
This is Matt Walton with AvodaTalk, or at the Real Matt Walton

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, depending on how you found meand welcome back.
So I am extremely excited todayfor my guest.
I will introduce him here in asecond Um, but first I want to
share just some updates.
Man, we've been dialing somethings in within my business.
Um, sales are on the up and up.
Um, there's so many things.
I'm bringing new people onboard that are kind of niche

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experts that are going to helpus get to where I believe the
Lord is calling us to go.
And so if you want to watch acompany go from failing from the
company that I bought being acompany that was failing to a
company that is doing over amillion, and we'll be doing
multi-millions and we'll getinto doing 50 to a hundred
million dollars and we're goingfor a hundred million dollar

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evaluation as we pursue possiblyselling the business or just
growing this business to sell itso that we can have that
decision to make in a few years.
So if you want to come alongwith that journey, this is a
great podcast to listen to,because I will do my best to
fill y'all in on everything thatI am learning as I go.

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But the main thing is, this is akingdom business, and so what
that means is that when thingslook like maybe you're in a
position to where you have tomake a decision, do I lay
somebody off, or do I not takethis much, or do I have to not
do this this month?

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Whenever you're really at thatpoint in your business, my best
advice to give somebody is.
The world says let me laysomebody off to free some
capital, but the kingdom saysjust meet me, like God is just
saying come, speak to me, let meguide you in that decision.
And if God gives you clarity tomake that decision, that's
awesome.
But if he does not give youthat clarity of decision, your

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responsibility as a kingdombusiness owner is to stay
patient, to not jump ahead ofGod, to follow behind God and to
listen to what God says.
Regardless, if you get down tonothing and you have no clue how
it's going to happen, wait onthe Lord rather than going ahead
of the Lord, and that's one ofthe biggest things that makes a
kingdom business is just thatobedience.
It's hearing from the Lord,being obedient and waiting on

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the Lord when he's not speakingto you and whenever it seems
like everything is crashing downon you, and just waiting for
His guidance, Because then, andonly then, will you receive real
, real clarity and have thatpeace because of your ability
and your desire to wait on theLord.
So, anyways, I just I felt likethat was for somebody today, so

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I wanted to share that.
But thank you guys for tuningin.
I'm very excited.
Miguel Garcia Miguel Garcia,excuse me with us today.
So welcome Miguel.
Nice to be here.
Matt, so Miguel is.
So I met Miguel at KWM, which isis it Kingdom Wealth Managers?
Yes, yes, correct, okay, it's a.

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It's an entrepreneur hub herein Las Vegas, and I'm going to
list off just some accolades ofof of Miguel.
He also goes by Mike, so Miguelor Mike Garcia.
So if you want to look him uplike on Amazon, you know and see
some of the books that he'swritten, just search, search
that, and I promise you you willbe blessed with his books.

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He is extremely gifted inteaching and also in writing.
A couple other men operatesomething that's very special
that's geared towards kingdomentrepreneurs.
He's also in the medicalindustry.
He is one of the, if not themost gifted teacher I've ever
had the privilege of sittingunder.
He is a prophet and I do notuse that term lightly at all,

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but he has prophesied somethings over my wife and over
myself, um, through letters, andit's awesome.
We stepped back two years backnow, or two years ago that
happened, and we're watchingthese things come, come to
fruition, and I can't wait toshare that with you.
But it's, it's, uh, it's, it'sawesome.
He's a father, um, he is aservant of God, he's an author,
a co-author, um, and a businessowner and um, um and a and a
husband and so, um.

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So that, in a nutshell, I knowwe're missing a lot of things,
but that's kind of some thingsthat you do.
Yeah, thank you, um.
Last thing I'll say and thenI'll, then we'll hop right into
it is I met Miguel through KWM.
So I was actually talking to abuddy of mine who was trying to
get me to go there, because whenI got out to Vegas after I

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bought the business, it was.
I thought I was the only onetalking about kingdom business.
I didn't even know.
It was like a thing like wherea bunch of people were about
kingdom business.
Yeah, and one of my buddies Iwas, I just bought my business
and I was within the first sixmonths or so and I was outside

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doing every doing a lot of thework back there so that I could
learn how to do everything andso that I can operate this
business effectively.
And during that time I justdidn't have the time to go.
And so one of my buddies waslike hey, I didn't see you at
the Bible study this last weekand I'm like dude, I just don't
have the time.
And he's like, dude, you don't,you can't afford not to go.
And so that stuck with me.
I actually went the followingweek and then met a group of men

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and women but it wasspecifically like you, mark, and
I mean Rob.
I mean there was Noel, I meanseveral guys that were doing
kingdom business stuff, talking.
It was like I learned so muchmore.
My, my appetite and hunger forChrist just grew rapidly.

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I was studying scripture in avery detailed way, but you put
me on to a brand new way of kindof studying scripture and
especially with the OldTestament and tying it to the
New Testament.
Yeah, so man, just grateful forthat.
So that, in a nutshell, is howwe met and we've been.
He's been a mentor from afar.
We go out to lunch quite a bitand man, he always just pours
into me and so I'm incrediblygrateful for our relationship.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Thank you for honor and honor and be like this.
Sometimes we don't know that'show the kingdom is.
You know, we really don't knowthe impact that we're doing
because we're so caught up intrying to please God with our
lives.
You know, and it's and it's,it's a road like this, it's a
road like this, and so when youhear stuff like that, you're

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like really, and it's good.
I like that because it keeps mehumble, real humble.
And so we started KWM, becauseabout seven and a half, eight
years ago, because we didn't um,they're small groups.
You know, we all go to church,we all serve, we all do stuff
like that, but there was nosmall groups for entrepreneurs

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or business owners, and sothat's why we started kwm to, uh
, teach I.
I won't teach anything that Ihave not lived through.
It's just foreign to me.
I have to have lived through it, experimented through it, and
so I teach.
The Bible is all about business.
It's all about but it'sspecific though there's worldly

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business and there's kingdombusiness, and Jesus kind of put
that in perspective, because hespoke about what?
Two things, more than anything,three things Kingdom of heaven,
his father's kingdomperspective, because he spoke
about what?
Two things, more than anything,three things Kingdom of heaven,
his father's kingdom, satan andmoney.
Those three things.
We could spend years talkingabout those three things.
And so we opened it up and I'mprobably the lead teacher there,

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because all I want to do isteach the Bible.
This is a biblical perspectiveand I always tell friends look,
it's simple, we make it hard.
Religion, you know the spiritof religion, the spirit of fear
and the spirit of poverty arethe three things that will choke
out families, choke outbusinesses that want to make
their business about the kingdom, choke out cities, nations.

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Understanding those threethings.
And then it allows me to teachthings.
We always say KWM, you want meto keep it real or do you want
me to sugarcoat it?
Because keeping it real, I'mgoing to tell you the truth, you
know, because when it comes toI always say there's a fine line
because we're in business,we're in commerce.
If the business is important toyou, if your business is your

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Isaac you know Abraham had IsaacIf it's your Isaac, you want
your business to grow up andexcel.
If it's important to you, thenit's important to God.
Seek first the kingdom of Godand all its righteousness, and
then all these things shall beadded unto you.
The word all means what's yourall.
I would say what's your all?
What do you want your all to be?
I always tell people make acovenant with God.

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God's all about covenant.
He's all about we're, his sonsand daughters, and he's the
father.
He's the father of all creationand you can make any covenant
you want, because all you'regoing to learn in a covenant is
one thing he never breaks it,and we do, and that's a learning
project there, especially whenyou falter in the covenant.

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You know man.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
I can't, I can't wait to get into those covenants
because I've been studying andthat's a learning project there,
especially when you falter inthe covenant man.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
I can't wait to get into those covenants, because
I've been studying, like inGenesis, the Abramic covenant.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
So before we get into that, I want to talk about
kingdom business.
And what is kingdom businessand how can you talk about seek
first the kingdom of God?
I feel like even a lot ofChristian business owners aren't
in the kingdom necessarilybecause we can pursue jobs and
money and accolades over thekingdom.
That just a way that I wouldsummarize that.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
But how would you summarize kingdom business?
You know that's a very goodquestion, because when I'm at
KWN and I'm teaching and thenyou know, you hear people say,
well, my business is a kingdombusiness.
And then someone like me oranybody else it would say what
makes your company a kingdomcompany?
Like what part of your company?

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And in business terminologyI'll say give it a percentage.
Does your company serveanything greater than yourself?
You know, like you're theleader.
See, you have to understandleadership too.
Adam and Eve, god.
When everything went sour.
God's looking for Adam, not Eve.

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And so he was in charge of whatGarden of Eden.
It was his.
He was given one specification.
One divine restraining order isyou could do everything, you
want anything, just don't touchthat tree over there.
Just don't do that, because forGod to be God, he had to give
him a choice, black and white.

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He had to give him a choicebecause if he didn't, he
wouldn't be God.
He has to give us a choice, thefreedom of choosing, not being
forced to.
And so when you start talkingabout leadership, what is a
kingdom business?
To me it's like what puts God'sthumbprint on your business,
like he does our lives.

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You'll accept Jesus Christ intoyour life, you sanctify
yourself.
Paul says the least we could dois put ourselves on the altar a
living sacrifice.
What part of your business is,since you're the leader and
you're the owner, is kingdom.
You know, some people I say, oh, give it a percentage.
Like, is 10%, 10% of everything?

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Does it serve his purposes orzero?
Cause I deal with a lot ofpeople that zero, they're
nothing.
I don't give nothing.
It's all about maximizingself-interest and I go well then
that's not the kingdom.
The kingdom is about servingthe kingdom that Jesus talked
about.
You know, it has to serve apurpose and so we're always
saying you know, maximizingself-interest is not really

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kingdom.
So I teach people, you canactually take your company,
consecrate it to the Lord andsaying Lord, this is the okay,
and sacrifice serving itinvolves exactly everything that

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Jesus did.
And there's like, what is thepurpose of your company?
Because it can't just be I'mlining my pocketbooks, or of
course we want it to besuccessful, but if that's all it
serves, then it's really notserving the kingdom, the kingdom
that Jesus talked about.
You know, and one of the bestexamples that I just taught
recently was this the rich,young ruler.

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You guys know who he is right.
Remember the rich young ruler.
Here's the scary part about therich young ruler.
He had the courage to ask Jesuswhat could I do to inherit
eternal life?
And Jesus was already nicebecause he was a divine
revelation inside of him.
He already knew what hisproblem was, but he persisted

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and he wanted to know.
And the rich young ruler had alot of money, probably inherited
it.
And he said well, sell all youhave, give it to the poor and
follow me.
Three things sell, give, follow.
Now there are other religionsthat will say you see, you've
got to be poor to serve God.

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No, no, that ain't what that'ssaying.
He was trying to get him to therevelation, to understand who
his true God is.
Sell, give, follow.
See, the selling is whetheryou're going to be obedient,
okay.
Giving is whether you're goingto sacrifice, and follow is
where you're going to getdeveloped into the Bill Gates of

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your time, for all the rightreasons.
In other words, he was going todo with the rich man the same
thing he did with the two loavesand the five the two fish and
the five loaves.
He probably would have beensome big guy, because whatever
you give to the kingdom.
It multiplies, it justmultiplies, right.
And then he finally well, I doall that, I go to church, I go
to the synagogue, I honor my momand dad and he goes.

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You lack one thing, and that'swhat I tell people.
What is it, that one thing thatyou lack?
In other words, he showed himwho his true God was.
He says he went away sad,crying, because he wasn't
willing to depart from hisriches.
So Jesus called him out on yourtrue God is not me or Jehovah.

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Your true God is your riches.
That's who your true God is.
The scary part about that storyis he was a churchgoer, he
followed the law, he paid tithes, he did all that.
But even doing all that, in hisreligious set, he still put
money and things above God andhe called them out on it.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
That makes me think of King Uzziah.
I was studying King Uzziah acouple of weeks ago and we get
to the end of King Uzziah'sstory and how his pride was the
thing that ruined him.
Yes, but it made me think, youknow, like religion and pride
are two of the things that gohand in hand.
Yes, and we a lot of times wedo.
We become more spiritualwhenever we're in our pride, and
spirituality hides the veryfact that we're literally in sin

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.
And that's what we see withKing Uzziah was he went in there
to do some religious andspiritual acts and then, through
that, where the priest came inand we're like, hey, you can't
be doing this, this is only forus.
And then he got you know it wasultimately had got the disease
and then ended up had to beseparated from the house of God,
but he had the Midas touch.
Before then, every little bittything that he was doing was was
just multiplying until hispride got the best of him.

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Yeah, so it's.
I wouldn't even going to askthis question.
But how can you?
What are the things that youare indicators that your pride
is overtaken?
Because if we're running akingdom business and we start to
experience a lot of success.
How can we be mindful of thatand what do we do to get back?

Speaker 2 (15:40):
right.
You know, that's funny becauseI always you know one of the
biggest concerns that I alwaysteach about, and it happens in
our individual lives, and yougot to be true to your own self.
I always say there's a fineline.
The line is so thin that it'sabout the thickness of a hair,
of when you're believing,believing, believing, believing,

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believing, and finally Goddrops it on you, like Abraham
when he gave him Isaac, and thenhis final test was give me back
what I gave you.
He was touched it 10 times.
Give me back what I gave you.
It's like God, you're believingfor a billion dollars so you
can do all these great thingsfor God.
And then he says we'll put thaton hold for right now.
Give me back, give it back tomy kingdom, and then you have to

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be able to trust him or you'regoing to say no, I'm going to
hang on to this and that's notkingdom, right, and the story
that comes to my mind.
And this is scary.
This is going to scare a lot ofreligious people and I don't
mind, I don't mind.
So I'm going to keep it real, Idon't mind.
So I'm going to keep it real.
When Jesus healed the 10 leprous, remember that?
Oh yeah, how many came back togive him thanks?

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How many?
One, one.
So that means and being healedof leprosy.
It's like your skin's fallingoff and you get restored.
One came back and fell at hisfeet and said thank you, thank
you for restoring me.
And Jesus said where's all theother nine?
That gives you a picture insociety, one out of nine, one

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out of 10, will give God theglory for what he did.
And I'm talking business,though.
I mean your skin's falling off,you can't work All of a sudden.
You're an outcast, but now youcan go back to work, now you can
go get a business becauseyou're not an outcast.
So that tells me, in society,one out of 10, when God does
something great, we'll come backand give thanks to him.

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That's scary, and so, to answeryour question on that, when it
comes to what kept the othernine from coming back to Jesus,
I got what I wanted.
I don't need him no more.
I got what I wanted.
I don't need him no more.
It's like Abraham passed thattest, though Wow, he had to
believe that.
If I give you back my eyes anda lot of people don't know this

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Abraham was not Isaac, was not achild, he was not a teenager.
He was about 37 years of old,37 years of age.
And Abraham was older in agebecause he had him at 100.
So he was like 137 years of age.
Now if your dad told you, let'sgo, we're going to go build an
altar and we're going tosacrifice you, I would be like I

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ain't going nowhere with yourdad.
But that test was so hard thatwhen they came off the mountain,
sarah died immediately becauseshe knew what her husband was
going to do.
But he had to believe, by faith, that if you're asking me to
sacrifice my son and give youback what you've given me, then
you must have some kind ofsupernatural plan that I ain't

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never seen before.
And he passed that test and Godstopped him and goes no worries
, I've already done it, you know, because the Bible was written.
The Bible was written waybefore he came to earth.
Anyways, right In the beginningwas the word and the word Right
.
And so God says I've alreadydid that.
That's when he stopped him fromsacrificing his son.
I like to look at Isaac and Iteach people, I go.

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If your business and you want akingdom business, well, you're
the Abraham and your business isIsaac.
You want it to grow up tocontinue on the legacy of what
you built right and so teachingpeople.
So the kingdom is all aboutsacrificing.
If there's no sacrifice and wecan talk about that altars and
sacrificing more in depth laterbut if there's no sacrificing,

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then you have to questionwhether it's kingdom at all,
because Jesus did both, and Iteach this a lot.
The religious spirit and thepoverty spirit thinks that it's
about money.
No, it ain't about money.
How can you compare God tomoney?
It's about obedience andsacrifice.

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But if God had to choose Lord,how do I serve you?
If you're caught up?
And I don't teach that you'recursed.
If you don't give becausethat's under the law, we're
under a better covenant, jesus'covenant.
We're encouraged to do it.
But the truth is, if you're hungup on the money thing, jesus
says obedience is better thansacrifice.

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Sacrifice is your obedience todo something like that.
But just give me your heartthen, because the truth is and
the genius of that scripture isthis if you give Jesus your
whole heart, he can ask you foranything and you'll say whatever
you want, lord, because I knowyou dug me out of a pit that I
knew I deserved death, but youdid that for me.

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I'll give you anything you askof me.
That's the genius in that.
And so but and those peoplethat don't want to obey in that
area?
God ain't mad at you, you.
Just you're like the rich youngruler, you're not.
You're not realizing that moneyhas a bigger priority than your
relationship with the Lord andyou don't even see it.
That's now we're gettingsomewhere.

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But I always say obedience plussacrifice, combine those two,
guess what you get.
What did Jesus get?
He obeyed his father, he laiddown his life.
He got resurrection power.
And I always say you wantresurrection power in your
business.
Start considering the obedienceplus the sacrifice Plus the

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sacrifice.
Sacrifice what, ask the HolySpirit what to sacrifice, and
then we can get into likehearing God for yourself.
Let's do that, yeah, okay.
So I want to add something.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
I want to get into, like hearing God for yourself.
Let's do that, yeah, so okay.
So how?
So I want to add something thatI want to get into here.
When we one of the things is islike going back to kingdom
business, is that a lot of timeswe as business owners,
entrepreneurs, whatever can setup our business to where we,
everything that we do isrevolved around God.
We can do prayer, serve days wecan, we can is revolved around

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God.
We can do prayer, serve days wecan.
We can have a business abouthuman development.
We can put crisis king on oursocial media posts.
We can do all those things.
But you touched on somethingthat I've recently lived through
, that that that I didn't feellike I had a kingdom business,
despite doing all these things,and I felt like there was
something that went amiss.
So I went out to the mountainsand I spent this is like five,
six months ago this is fairlyrecent Went out to Red Rock and

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I found a rock was way up in themountains.
There found a rock.
There was a perfect rock therethat I could lean back against
and it was the only boulder thatwas up on this flat rock.
It was awesome.
So I sat up there and justprayed to God and I realized
that God didn't have my fullheart, and so I was trying to
control too many things, and soI was only going to give him
this section of it, because Ifelt like if I just controlled
this then I could push thingsalong a little bit quicker.

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And I know, I know that that'snot something to fall into.
And yet I fell into thatanyways and got exposed that it
was my heart.
And so he's like you can do allof these things, and yet all of
these things can not equate toa kingdom business if you don't
have your heart surrendered overto me.
Yeah, and so, because it goesback to that heart posture,

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because if that heart posture isright, then regardless of the
circumstances, then it's likeit's all yours anyway, and so,
and then through that, throughthat posture, you receive that
freedom from Christ, and onlywhenever you enter into that
posture you receive that freedomfrom Christ.
Yeah, yeah, I literally wasleaving that living that.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
So that's good, that's a good point, because the
key that you did wasunderstanding, and that's the
Lord, that's the Holy Spiritworking on the inside of us,
trying to show us a better way.
And so when you realize thatthe good part is, you did, like
David, I'm going to go to mystronghold, I'm going to go
isolate myself for a minute, I'mgoing to go search out the Lord

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, and then he begins to show us,because our flesh, our flesh,
is like the flesh it likes toblame, it likes to have pride,
it likes to do a lot of stuff,it likes to compartmentalize the
kingdom.
I'm just and the bad part, thisit's like.
It's like I would tell peoplethis it's like this If you're a
family man, you're married, yougot all this stuff and you got

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your business it.
Family man, you're married, yougot all this stuff and you got
your business.
It's like, well, it's like thisWell, do you want them to be
Lord of all of it or some of it?
Because whatever, like I alwayssay, finances, he's Lord of
everything else in your life,but the finances you are going
to control that.
You know the individual right,and I'm like God ain't mad at
you.
All you're going to do is findout that you're not going to

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have resurrection power there.
You're not going to have themultiplication God does
multiplication better than we do.
Two plus five equals feeding15,000 people.
Who's going to complain withthat?
I'm not.
I want to know how to get tothat part.
I want to get to that part ofmy business where it begins to
multiply, where I have favorwith you, god, and favor with
man.
How do I do that begins tomultiply where I have favor with

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you, god, and favor with man.
How do I do that?
How do I do that?
And so we like tocompartmentalize and whatever
you don't allow him to intervenein.
It's just a little crack thatthe enemy will want to come in
and derail, dismantle or disruptus.
Because why?
Because you're holding ontosomething that God says.
The truth is he wants our wholeheart, our whole, the whole

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being.
Jump on that altar, let thechips.
I always say in Vegas, dosomething.
Throw the devil a curveball, dosomething you have not been
willing to do and prove to thedevil that you're all in with
the Lord.
And if you want to considergambling, consider a gamble
board.
And if you want to considergambling, consider a gamble,
because most people like that,like I did.

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It's like I've had to lockmyself up, go to a hotel room.
I ain't leaving here until Itouch the hem of your garment
and I'll know it, because I willbe different.
I'll be able to sleep, I'llhave a clean conscience with you
, I'll feel ceremonially cleanin my endeavors, I won't have a
dirty conscience of I'm holdingback here and holding back here.
I'll have one mind lined upwith you and you alone.
You know that's where it allcomes down to it.

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It's between me and you, god,me and you, learning that
covenant, learning that covenantright.
And so when you want to controlsomething, that's the word of
God.
We always want to go to theword.
When you want to controlsomething, you know that's
control.
It's like faith is I'm going togive it all to you, lord, you

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help me manage it, you help mesteward it.
You know and we don't want.
It's like when you make himLord of everything else except
your marriage or except yourchildren, or except this, and
you want to take ownership ofthat, then you're going to get
the return on envenomment ofyour ownership versus the
ownership of Christ being Lordin that area.

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And so at the end Paul says theleast we can do in the service
of what Jesus did for us isoffer our entire, like we have
to jump on that altar as aliving sacrifice and let the
fire of that altar begin to burnoff the things that are not
pleasing to him, the things thatare holding us back, and then,
more like, most likely it'salways things that have been

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traveling down our bloodlinegenerationally, generationally,
and the Holy Spirit kind ofgives us indicators of I wonder
how much, how many people in mybloodline have been doing this
or struggled with this orstruggled in this area.
I always tell people when I'mtrying to work some deliverance
through them.
It's like, more than likelywe've all had issues with money.

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Money because the Bible saysthe love of it is the root of
all evil.
So more than likely someone Iknow, someone in my bloodline,
did that.
I had to investigate it myselfand ask the Lord to reveal it to
me in regards to property andland ownership.
And more than likely someone inthe bloodline always did
something unlawful in God's eyesthat involved money, right, and

(27:21):
so asking the atoning power ofthe blood of Jesus to cover it.
So it doesn't go beyond me nomore.
You know what I mean.
The Holy Spirit is a revelator.
He'll shine a light on anythingin your past or your ancestral
past that the enemy might beusing against you in the courts
of heaven.
Like when I'm dealing withhomeowners I mean business

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owners and they just keephitting the brick wall.
And I know I'm speaking tosomebody.
You keep hitting the brick walland I know I'm speaking to
somebody.
You keep hitting the brick walland you're trying.
You're doing everything thatyou're supposed to be doing
honoring God with everything butyou keep hitting a brick wall
and it almost seems like the ruggets pulled out from underneath
you and just and it's like butit's been going on for years.
That's an indicator where youshould do what Matt does.

(28:07):
I'm going to go talk to theLord.
I'm going to go to my cave, I'mgoing to go to my rock, I'm
going to go to my isolate myselfand I'm going to speak to the
Lord and say what is it, lord?
What's going on?
Because it could mean thatsomething is resisting you in
the courts, like the enemy has acase against you.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
Explain that, go into depth with that, because we
know that Jesus is our advocate.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
So break that down please.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
When in the Bible it talks about that.
A curse doesn't just come about, it started somewhere and the
Lord will curse up to three andfour generations, but he'll
bless up to a thousand Justbecause Jesus came.
I have a lot of debates on thisone with religious people.
Okay, I'll give you an example.
We get saved.

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And I was a drug addict, I wasan alcohol, I was all that kind
of stuff Womanizer.
I got saved.
How come I still have thetendency to do drugs?
How come I still have thetendency to be a womanizer?
How come I still got a tendencyto do perverted things and look
at porn?
How come I can't stop doingthat?
What is the answer to that?
But I'm saved.
I love Jesus, I'm going tochurch, but I'm still doing

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those things.
I like to have thoseconversations with people
because what's the answer?
There's something in mybloodline that's making me do
that stuff and I can't stop andI need help, spiritual help,
unclean spirits that are rollingon the inside of me.
You see that.
And so there's stuff that mighthave happened in previous
generations that are in yourgenetic memory, that it's a case

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against you because there wasno forgiveness back there.
And so the Holy Spirit canenlighten us.
And I said, lord, if there'ssomeone in my bloodline that
defrauded someone over property,blank, blank, blank, blank,
blank, blank, blank, and I goforgive them.
They didn't know what they do.
And if they were in mybloodline, yes, especially that.
And so when I did that, Iliterally I was with my mom, my

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spiritual mother.
We had a little prayer meetingwith my wife and then, literally
, I felt something leave my body.
Oh, I felt lighter, oh, I feellighter.
I said.
I said, honey, somethingchanged.
Yeah, it wasn't that until thenthat I decided to buy another
home, you know, an investmenthome or something like that.
But I knew since then thingshave changed because there was

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something.
Every time prior to that, everytime I bought a home, something
bad would happen.
Foreclosure 2008 hit.
You guys remember that, right,yeah, right and so.
But I knew when that curse wasbroken off my life.
God gave me indicators.
There was a tree in my mom'shouse split in half, and I could

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see its roots and I jumped upand down.
I said God heard us and my momgoes.
You know, me and your fatherplanted that tree when we bought
this property.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
And.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
I go now.
I really know.
He heard us, you know, and sosometimes we have to work
through.
We have to be willing to dowhat you do, get along with the
Lord.
I want to hear you, lord,because things ain't working out
the way your Bible says.
If this is the Bible, I want mylife to mirror this, and it's
not happening.
My return on investment ain'tgoing down.

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But you have to be willing tobe a spiritual scientist, to get
along with the Lord and allowhim, educate me, show me, lead
me, and he has so many differentways.
The idea is like David, you know, he was special and I've said
this to you before.
He was monotheistic.
There's no other king besidesKing Jesus.

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David and King Jesus, ourserving king, were like
monotheistic.
All the other kings weren't.
In other words, he only servedone God.
When it was bad, he would runto God.
When it was good, he would runto God and honor God with
sacrifices.
And Jesus did the same thing.
All the other kings weren't.
They served other gods.
They got in a lot of troubledoing that and all chaos broke

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loose in their lives, in theirkingdom, because they served
other gods.
But that's why what you weretelling me earlier, it's like.
Learning how to hear God foryourself is one of the things
that is so fruitful.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Man.
I remember back before I evenknew God.
You know God was speaking to meand I mean he would speak to me
about one specific thing and itwas how I was living my life
and just matter.
Are you done?
Because, as soon as you're done, like I've got some incredible
plans and he was just invitingme into this relationship with
him in the midst of all of mynonsense, and I've got so many

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stories of of of what I believe,that police would roll in and
we'd be looking face to face.
I think God made me invisible sothat I wouldn't get arrested,
because he knew that I was aboutto give my life to the Lord and
God was continuing to speak tome, despite growing up in a way
that said this was God's finalword and God doesn't speak

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anymore outside of his word.
And I didn't live that.
I'm like, no, but God'sspeaking to me and it's outside,
but in full alignment with hisword.
And so when I gave my life tothe Lord, it was just like I
mean, I'm hearing from God, I'mspending multiple times a day
with the Lord to hear from God,and he's given me instructions
and directions of everything todo, every system in my shop.
Everything that is going on now, every partnership,

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collaboration, was all arevelation from the Lord on hey,
here's what's going to happenand here's what I need you to do
next.
And so and sometimes I don'tget the full revelation you
proceed out of faith and youjust, you just go off of what
you believe, you know is inalignment with where God has
called you to go, and and and in.
Since then, you know, I had thisunderstanding that God is the
alpha and the omega and becauseof that, in the midst of chaos,

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when you're being obedient,you're doing what God has called
you to do.
Nothing is happening in the waythat you perceive that it would
happen.
It's trusting God in the midstof that, because he knows the
very end and he understandsexactly where you're headed and
he knows you need to go throughthis trial right here in order
to be the man or woman that youneed to be to sustain what's
about to happen.
So it gave me this freshperspective on hearing from the

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Lord, and when I started toreally hear from the Lord on
like systems, processes,business partnerships and all of
that, it transformed mybusiness number one.
But it gave me a cleardirection on what my purpose is
in life.
So it gave me this identity andthis purpose within life, and
God's continued to give merevelation on that, you know.
So some of the some of thethings that I do whenever I talk

(34:29):
, whenever I teach my guys, likehow to hear from the Lord, you
know you have to work through anumber of things.
You know I always am asking God, you know, reveal the lies that
I believe, because in Johneight it talks about the truth
will set you free.
So replace it with some truth,you know.
And what is it that you want meto do?
You know, am I supposed to hirethis individual?

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Am I supposed to implement this and a lot of
crazy stuff like that we openedup a lot of doors and I teach

(35:11):
this, and I know this is goingto help some people, I just know
because I teach this all thetime and I say, look, when we
were out in the world we servedaltars let's call it the altar
of drug addiction, the altar ofalcoholism, the altar of all the
stuff, bad stuff.
We actually served it right.
We took money, we gave it, wegot something in return that was

(35:34):
killing us basically,physically, spiritually,
emotionally.
But we kept doing that.
We kept doing it and then weget saved.
And then why is it that I stillhave a tendency to go serve
that right?
And so it's easy for me toteach this?
Because God had to take methrough this process.
And so, as I serve that right,and so it's easy for me to teach
this, because God had to takeme through this process, and so,
as I serve that, it's like, oh,I have to serve the kingdom now

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to see what tried to kill mewas serving those altars.
Now I'm in another kingdom andI have to serve this altar by
choice kingdom.
And I have to serve this altarby choice, not from a religious
mindset, because I understandthat.
I'm so thankful that you didn'tallow me to die in that
condition and you restored me.

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You pulled me out of the pit.
Now I have to open my heart togo this direction and a lot of
addiction recovery.
I would twist, I would changesome things in it, because what
happens is when you get clean,if you don't store the house
with something better, you'regonna go right back to it, and

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so when you start serving likeyou serving the kingdom you're
serving the altar of the kingdomof heaven now and you're being
filled up, and during thatprocess, what you're learning is
.
So this is why you put me onearth.
And then you don't even realizethat you're impacting people's
lives just by obeying what Godis telling you to do, and you

(37:02):
don't even know that people arelooking at you as some spiritual
leader because you're justworried about am I doing what
you're calling me to do?
You know what I mean, and so wefind our process.
We can't stop it.
I'm not doing that, no more.
We have to continue the journeyand see.
This is the key that a lot ofpeople miss.

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God is not into ruining us, andthat's what I tell business
owners.
I go.
He doesn't want to ruin youbecause we have a tendency to
ruin things we do, all of us do,and so what he wants to do is
develop stewardship capabilitieslike what you're going through
right now in your company.
He's preparing you for theincrease that is going to
supersede anything you've everseen, because whatever goals

(37:47):
you've written down for yourpersonal company, god's going to
outdo it, just to show you thathe's God in your life.
So I always say write it down,but just know he's going to
outdo you, which is good thing,right, but he's not if he gives
it to you too soon.
He did that with the childrenof Israel coming out of Egypt,
like when they were taking thepromised land.
If he gives it to you too soonwithout you being developed,

(38:08):
you'll ruin it.
You'll ruin what he put in youto accomplish for the future.
So he's all into developing.
There was a three and a halfyear process for Jesus to do
what he did and to prepare thepeople that would carry on.
And so if he gives it to us toosoon without us being developed
, we'll ruin it.
We'll ruin the bigness and thegreatness.

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I always say if he's making youwait, look at Abraham.
Look at Abraham.
He waited 25 years and thenafterwards they asked for it
back, but then that made him.
He goes down in history as thefather of our faith because he
obeyed and he was willing tosacrifice his son to do it,
which is big.
And then we're anchored intothat.
It's like we're anchored intothat.

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It's like we're trying to.
Vegas is like this.
It's like can I just have itwithout?
That's why people win thesemega bucks.
Within five years they're brokebecause they don't possess the
stewardship level to manage thatlevel of a blessing or that
level of income.
And God's into developing us.
And God's into developing us.
Developing us and ourdevelopment is like it is hard,

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because you know he must, I mustdecrease and he must increase,
and I don't think we're evergoing to escape that.
It's always, no matter whatlevel, new level, new devils we
always have to ask that questionAm I decreasing and is he
increasing or am I trying totake over?
Question am I decreasing and ishe increasing or am I trying to
take over?
You know?
And that's like uh, I don'tthink that you could just wake
up one day and then you finallygot to the place of I'm there.

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Nah, because then he'll showyou, he'll reveal to you in your
heart, he'll reveal we, we.
You know, I recently went onvacation and, uh, they lost my
luggage and all this and it'slike my wife's like looking at
me all like crazy, who's thisman?
I said, honey, I feel like Ilost my luggage and all this and
it's like my wife's likelooking at me all like crazy,
who's this man?
I said, honey, I feel like Ilost my Christianity here.
That's how mad I am withAmerican Airlines blah, blah,

(39:56):
blah.
And I'm just being authentic.
I was just like on a war pathand I'm like and God, just like.
I believe that God is funny likethat because he talks like that
, he goes.
You see, all it took wasdisplacing a little briefcase
for you to just start blah, blah, blah, blah.
And I just held my head down.

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I was like, oh, back to thedrawing board.
I don't even feel like aChristian, no more, I feel like
a he.
He always presents something tous and saying we're still
rolling, we're still trying todevelop you, we're still moving
in that direction.
But it all comes down to ourheart and no matter what, it

(40:38):
comes down to where your loyaltyand your honor is when it comes
to the kingdom, you know.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Man.
I love that.
What I've recognized in my walkwith the Lord is that God will,
man, you get to a point towhere it almost feels like
things get a little clogged up,yeah, and just just just things
get a little clogged up and you,we find ourself on a wave of
going back to you when thathappens, and then we're just

(41:17):
doing our religious routinesuntil we need to go back to you
in that format.
So what God has spoken to meabout is going to God Like I
used to be so adamant on.
Okay, I have to, and I read myBible every day, but I've got to
read at least a chapter a day.
I've got to have a little bitof song worship time and I have
my regimen and my routine, andwhat I found was I was making an

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idol out of that and thatbecame very religious.
So if I didn't follow that to aT, I wouldn't feel the freedom
at the end of my time with theLord.
And so what God did with thatis he converted my time of the
Lord to just be okay, god, howdo you want me to spend my time
with you right now?
And is it just straight prayer?
Is it song worship?
Is it just worship reading theBible?
What is it?
And then God, every day he hasrevealed to me man today, just

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worship me, just worship me.
So I'll sit in my prayer roomand I just worship God.
I'll have music playing,worship God.
I have music playing, blaringand just worshiping God, you
know.
And then through that I findmyself not running through any
prayers of self-deliverance oranything, but just being
unclogged and freed because ofthe finished work of the cross.
And it's just what I've justcome to believe is.
It's just going back to whatyou're saying is God wants our
heart and wants our heart, andwe have the ability to ask God

(42:25):
what do you want?
We receive what God wants.
We act out of obedience to that.
And whenever we act out ofobedience to things, that's
whenever the doors get thrownwide open.
And that's what I would view asI want to kind of pivot, to
like sacrifices and investinginto the kingdom, because, you
know, at times we need tosacrifice our routines and at
times we need to sacrifice anumber of things and maybe our

(42:45):
business, maybe some of ourfinances.
So just talk about that.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
You know what?
That's a good point, becauseone of the things that I do with
people is like there's another.
There's a level and it's all inthe Bible you can read it, from
Cain and Abel, all the way downof people that offered
sacrifices to the Lord, and whata lot of people don't
understand.
It's like for some reason inAmerica everyone thinks the

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gospel was free.
No, it wasn't free.
The prophets of old?
They got slaughtered.
Jesus got slaughtered.
The apostles got slaughtered,they got killed.
You call that free.
Talk to God about freedom.
No, no, no, that's not free.
It costs blood, blood was shedfor us to have the truth written
in the book, right, so that'snot free.
And what a lot of people don'tunderstand.

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There's another level where youoffer God your first fruits.
Like what you just said, I'mgiving you the first fruit of my
day, first thing I do when Iwake up.
Nothing, I ain't going to runit, I'm running to you, king
David.
That's King David's kind ofstuff, right there.
That's why God was able totrust him with all this.
By the time he, by the end ofhis day, I calculated he gave

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away about $89 billion for hisson to build the temple.
That's how much riches heamassed.
God could trust him with that,but he understood the power of
firstfruits.
And the power of firstfruits isI'm going to give you my first
and my best.
Now, that's a personal thingbetween I teach people.
I've taught more people intheir businesses.

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Offer God your first fruits.
Well, what are you talking?
First fruit?
Well, let's look at it.
In the Bible, you know Cain andAbel.
The reason why he rejectedCain's and accepted Abel is
because Cain offered Godsomething, but he did it when he
felt like it.
Abel did it right away, got thefat little calf.
Oh yeah, that's the best one.
I'm going to give it to God.
I'm going to give this to God.
So first fruits is offering theHebrews.

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Every month, when there's a newmoon, a crescent moon, Every
month, they would have a party,a celebration, and they would
gather their very first andtheir best and they would put it
on the altar and give it to thekingdom.
Give it to the priests, right?
They would do that every singlemonth to ensure their harvest
would increase.
Now, what was all the otherkingdoms doing?
They didn't believe that theywere sacrificing children.

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They were killing, they wereprostituting themselves.
They were serving their gods.
We served our God by giving himour first and our best.
Now I always tell people that isthe key right there for your
personal harvest, because wegive, we give, we serve and
stuff like that.
But what do you want for yourpersonal harvest, for your
future?

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Let's say it's your business.
Let's say seek first thekingdom of God and all its
riches.
What is your all?
Well, lord, I'm going to writemy vision down.
Like you said, I want all thisand then so, okay, but I'm
invested into the kingdom.
So what is it that you want?
And I always say that's personalthing between you and God.
You should get along with Godand ask him what do you want me

(45:40):
to sacrifice for me?
To ensure that you have yourhand on my business or on my
endeavor so we could have favorwith you and favor with man?
Or, in other words, how do Iget resurrection power?
Dead things like what you didwith this company.
It was dead when you came.
But because of the kingdom ofGod on the inside of you and
your willingness to sacrifice,serve others a greater purpose

(46:02):
Ooh, this is good Serving agreater purpose than Matt Walton
.
You're putting Jesus at thehead and it's not about Matt
Walton, it's about the kingdom.
Because without the kingdom,without Jesus, I have nothing.
And you know what life is likethat to have nothing.
And because you're structuringyour business to serve something
greater than yourself.

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Because, in the end, when youget to heaven, we're going to
the container pool, we're goingto living waters, you're going
to be up there.
The only thing that you wouldleave behind is the impact that
you serve by showing others.
Life is about serving thekingdom.
Jesus will never fail you.
That covenant will never failyou.
That will live on forever andit will go generational for

(46:45):
thousand generations ahead ofyou.
The impact that you did Becauseyou're serving something
greater than yourself.
Didn't Jesus do that?
He was thinking of me and youwhen he was on the cross, like
like I'm doing this because Iknow the future.
The future is, if I don't dothis now and overcome right here
, right now, matt and Miguelwon't have a victory in the

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future.
And I'm all about victory.
But he knew he had to sacrificehis life for it.
In other words, he didn'tcompartmentalize.
He says if I'm going to do this, I have to do my whole life, my
whole sacrifice on the altar.
And so guess who?
Jesus was God's first fruit.
That's how serious ourChristianity is.

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In other words, god can't giveus more than he already gave us.
He gave us his only begottenson, and we balk at five bucks,
we balk at $5 when there's aneed to feed the hungry and
you're thinking about Starbucks,by the way, thank you for the
Starbucks anyway, but you seewhat I mean.
And it's like that's ourkingdom, that's the spirit of
poverty, that's the spirit offear, spirit of religion.

(47:47):
It's like how could we do thatwhen the price that we have to
have our freedom to be able todo the things that we do was
paid in blood?
And so Jesus, god, jesus wasGod's first fruit, son, and were
the first fruit of Jesus.
In other words, we're carryingon the work.

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We just try to think that wehave to do it the way he showed
us servant leadership, sacrifice, obedience, obedience to the
father.
And so our voice, the voice thatwe want to tune into, it's like
okay, lord, I know what otherpeople say I should do, what do
you say I should do?
And like I love your pointbecause I have to do that too,

(48:30):
and I learned that throughisolation with him.
It's like there's sometimes hewants to minister to us and
there's sometimes we have tominister to him, depending on
what's going on in our lives.
But, like you said, what is itthat you want, father?
See, that's supernatural growthright there.
It's like you're puttingyourself down.
I'm decreasing, so you mustincrease.

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Show me how to increase,because I'm submitting my flesh
down and that's that's whatyou're doing and that's
supernatural revelation.
You are allowing supernaturalrevelation.
I believe that's how you gotall the revelation on how you're
running your company right now,because you isolated yourself
and say okay, lord, I know whatI want to do, but that's what I
say.
I say I already got my trackrecord.

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It's horrible, failure afterfailure, and I'm like I got to
do something new.
What is it should I do?
And then revelation startscoming in.
That's the secret to thekingdom, by the way.
He's got secrets for us.
But if we're always on atreasure hunt with the Lord, I
always tell people get in thetreasure hunt.
What do you mean?
Start seeking treasure,treasure.
God told me one time I waswriting in my notes and he goes

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you got a multimillion dollarbusiness sitting right here in
the room.
I jumped out of my seat.
I'm looking around I'm like ah,where's it at.
And then I just looked down andI got a journal there.
It's like he's revelating withme and it's like a pen, a book,
multimillion.
You know.
I'm just trying to figure outwhere's it at, where's it at,

(49:54):
and he goes.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
That's how I think it's right there.
So so I feel like, as kingdombiz, I want to I don't want to
beat this down, but I want tojust add this to this as kingdom
business people, um, this is mystory.
So you start out so gung-ho,every little bitty detail is for
the kingdom, and God gives yourevelation.

(50:16):
He does things that are sosupernatural it's hard to fathom
, unless you are moving in thatway, because it's so in
alignment with Scripture.
We see this all throughoutScripture.
And when you make God the CEO,the owner, you become a steward.
God gives you all thissupernatural revelation.
Then you can find yourselfgoing to the world.
You can find yourself going tobooks, podcasts, youtube videos

(50:39):
in replace of God, and you'reyou're still going to God, but
then now, instead of God beingup here, and you're just reading
books to kind of supplementsome things and maybe to hold
some motivation or provide justa broader perspective on things,
now it's flip-flopped, and nowyou're going to God, and you're
going to God as a religiousthing, but you're going to these
books and podcasts and YouTubevideos as the revelator, as the
one that's going to transformthings.

(50:59):
So, as somebody who has gonethrough that and God has pulled
back into Matt.
Come to me, look at it, look atthe last three years.
And when did the biggestrevelation come?
It's whenever you were pursuingme and me alone.
When did the revelation stopcoming?
It's whenever you put a book ora podcast or a YouTube video
above, coming to me and me alone.

(51:20):
And so then I always go backwith man.
You have that revelation.
Now what are you going to do?
And so that's where it gets to.
Going to the mountains, that'swhere it gets to.
I come into work a little bitlater Because I'm in my prayer
room.
I'm praying for my people,however that looks.
So all my encouragement is isto be aware of who you are going

(51:42):
to for your growth.
Who are you going to first?
Who are you going to for thatrevelation?
Because I promise you it's soeasy to think it's going to
happen through a book and itmight.
God can use these books.
I'm not at all trying to talkbad about books, podcasts,
youtube videos.
I think they're great andthere's so much revelation that
can happen out of that.
But where's your heart?
And God brought my heart backto where what I believe it

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should be and where God wantedit to be and it's.
And it's every single time.
It's like okay, well, I need tobe here doing X, y, z, and
God's like no, you need to be inthe mountains praying to me.
And that's whenever I've seensupernatural growth happen, not
whenever I'm hibernating herereading a book and writing plans
out.
And all of that it's wheneverI'm in the mountains getting
revelation.
Then I am proceeding with theactions to complete the task.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
That is good, because I think it's one of the things
you know no matter whatdirection the Lord is pulling us
, I don't care what it is, it'sall going to come down to, and
there's a difference betweenfaith and courage.
Okay, faith is yeah, I gotfaith.
Courage is getting up and doingsomething about it, you know.
And so it takes a lot of faithand courage, because it's
impossible to please God withoutfaith, right?

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It's impossible to please Godwithout faith, right?
And so I think it's one of thethings that is lacking more in
our, you know, especially in theentertainment model of
Christianity that we have inAmerica, where I used to think
going to be entertained on aSunday, that's my stairway to
heaven, and live like hell onMonday through Saturday, and
nothing's changed in my life.

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I'm just being entertained onSunday, but nothing's changed.
But I used to think I was goingto heaven because of doing that
.
And boy, you start leading thewords, spending time with the
Lord, and then you start he putsa microscope on the inside of
you and say, oh my gosh, I'm sofar from anything.
But I think one of the thingsthat lacks the most into what is
an intimate relationship withthe Holy Spirit, in other words,

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god wants to develop us, butwhat's been lacking is let the
Holy Spirit be the number onedeveloper.
It's like Jesus, god, holySpirit, the Trinity it's your
number one go-to run-to, be-withbefore anything, and then
everything streams from thatriver, right there, instead of

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other ways.
You know, because we alwayswant to revert back to our old
nature of the way we used to dothings.
And it's like I just recentlyposted something and it's like
in Isaiah behold, all thingshave been made new.
And I go do you know what he'sreally saying there?
He's been saying this you havebeen made new.
See, the Lord develops us.
It's like the circumstances andthe trials and tribulations are

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always going to be around us,but what I did was make you new
so you know what to do in themidst of those trials,
tribulations and hardships.
And it's like hardships, trialsand tribulations have one thing
, one thing, one purpose, andone purpose only.
I'm convinced, the same thingthat happened to Jesus when he
goes into the wilderness andfasted for 40 days, he was

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offered all the kingdoms ofthese world.
And what happened after that?
He defeated the devil by usingthe word, and then he came out
with more authority and moreanointing trials, tribulations
and the stuff that ain't workingout.
And you're just giving God allyour heart and it's like he's
just trying to get you to aplace where he's drawing more
anointing, more authority,trying to show you, make this

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area of your life number one.
You know, give God command overthis area of your life, give
God command over your marriage,your children, boom, boom, boom,
boom.
Because what I found in ourdevelopment as we're progressing
, it almost works systematically.
As your soul prospers, so willyou, so will your company.
It almost is happening at thesame time where business leaders

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tell me this all the time.
The minute I started to work onmy marriage or my personal I
mean, I figured out.
It took me six years ofmarriage, maybe seven, to figure
out that I'm only as Christianas my wife says I am, because
she knows me better than anybodyand I would wonder what is she
saying about me in private?
And then it realized God toldme he goes.

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You're only as Christian as youare on how you treat her, how
you are with her, because Iinstituted marriage.
So how are you?
And I'm like I never eventhought of that.
And that changed my marriage.
It really did.
But you see what I mean.
And almost systematically, whenwe start letting him prosper
our souls, all of a suddeneverything else around us will

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start working in the directionthat he wants it to work.
And almost it's one of thosethings that kind of work
together and it's like.
But then we look back on ourpast and we're like man.
I remember when my soul Jesuswasn't even on the radar.
And it's a systematic thinggoing this way.
And as our soul begins toprosper, our business, our

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endeavors, all the other thingsthat we want to do for the
kingdom seems to work upward aswell.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
You follow, oh, yeah, yeah, that man, god gave me a
revelation, a fresh revelationon this of I don't even remember
as it was recently um, that howyou speak to the least of these
, the one that you speak to theworst, is how you're speaking to
jesus.
Yeah, and that I asked my wife.
I said do I speak to you?
Well, like, like, how do Ispeak to you?
And then she responded back tome and I was, I was somewhat

(56:53):
pleased with how she respondedback to me, but there's still,
it's not a hundred percent theway that it needs to be.
And so I'm like okay, but butit's just so telling to me
because now I'm hyper aware, I'malways been very hyper aware of
the end and so knowing, beingvery cautious in my reactions,

(57:17):
like with my daughter, with mywife, with my family, failed
miserably a number of times.
But I know it's like I don'twant regrets whenever I get down
the road because I didn't spendenough time, I reacted poorly
or whatever.
And then to further thatrevelation, it was yeah, and how
you speak to her wheneveryou're having your worst day is
how you speak to me, and I'mlike, oh my goodness, yeah, that
sounds like a conversation thatthe Lord would have with us.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
The truth is, god's all about family.
He's all about that structurebecause he invented it, but
nothing that we do in life.
If you're married, or if youhave a family and you're a
father and you're the leader, or, vice versa, the mother, you
know nothing of the external, ofbuilding the kingdom business
and all that really matters ifyou don't have that area right

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there.
Because what good is it if yougain the whole world but you
lose your soul in the end?
Come on, you know what I mean.
Oh, yeah, and it's like there'snothing worse.
And you see it happen in theworld all the time the structure
of the home, the house, thehusband, the wife, the family,
when the enemy loves to destroythat because if he can do that,
he'll divide and conquer andthen the outcome of the business

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that they've been working onfor 20, 25 years.
It just goes south, it getssplit up, it won't have the
kingdom impact that it wasdesigned to have, because we
neglected one area trueleadership in the home.
You know stuff like that?

Speaker 1 (58:34):
Yes, man, I feel like I don't know when you said that
it's a, it's kind of on thesame topic, but I don't know.
This is for somebody.
If you have a family business,God's going to attack your
family so incredibly hard.
I've lived this for the lastthree years.
One of the most beautifulplaces that you can get to
during that moment is a place ofbeing unoffended and forgiving,

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and not going to an individualand saying you did this, you did
this and so I forgive that.
But going to an individual andtruly reaching a place in your
heart to where you ask forforgiveness, and even if it's a
situation to where they shouldbe at it does not matter.
You ask for forgiveness and youhave this heart posture.
And at that point that'swhenever God started to move in
my life and my family's life andjust took things to another

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level within my business.
So just know, God's going toattack your marriage.
He's going to attack yourfamily, probably like you have
never had it happen before,because he wants to divide that
up so that he can conquer yourfamily and conquer your business
.
And if you allow that to happen, you're going to be miserable
and it's going to be incrediblyhard to get out of that until
you allow God to penetrate yourheart, Get you to expose where

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you've been offended, exposewhere you have unforgiveness,
and then you start workingthrough that with the Lord
number one, and then you go toan individual if that's what God
has called you to do.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
You know that's a good point, because I have
mentored so many businesses thatwere struggling and then they
start excelling.
And you know what the main keypoint was the forgiveness With
their spouse, like when you'remarried, if you're in other
words, if I bring something tothe altar you read this in Noah
with Noah you bring something tothe altar and you read this in
Noah with Noah you bringsomething to the altar and
you're going to present God agift.

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That's some serious businessthere, because he could smell
what's on you.
He could smell if you haveunforgiveness.
If I'm going to church and meand my wife are at odds with
each other, I ain't givingnothing Because it ain't going
to do what I want it to do.
Because he knows that I'm madand she's mad and we're all mad
at each other.
I won't even give it until wemake peace and then I'll go give
it.
Because he could smell pride.

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He could smell the devil gotkicked out of heaven for that
kind of stuff and he could smellpride.
He could smell unforgivenessand it's like, especially if you
own a business and you and yourspouse is always at odds with
each other, the enemy is workingto divide you and God can't
bless something that's notunified.
In other words, it's likeyou're keeping each other for

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the full blessings entering intothat covenant of that business
that you have right, and it'slike I've counseled so many
people.
That's like, how are you andyour spouse, are you guys
together in this endeavor, or isshe mad that you got this
endeavor and are you notmanaging your time more?
Are you not managing your timewhere she's feeling neglected
and she's kind of resenting youbecause that's your baby, that's

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who you a number one in yourlife and you're not following
the order of operation, yourpersonal relationship with the
Lord?
Then, if you're married, it'syour spouse, and then the
children, and then everythingunderneath that Right and and
and, and they sit down with thewife.
I recommend you sit down withyour wife and be honest with
each other and saying, if she'sreally resenting you for that,

(01:01:45):
talk it out, make someadjustments.
And then all of a sudden theymake some adjustments, they make
peace with each other and theyget on the same, because without
that there's division and Godcan't bless division.
He blesses unity, he blessestogetherness, right, and then
the minute they fix that, all ofa sudden things start.
The engine starts moving againBecause we don't really realize.

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And, like you said, you have tounderstand covenant, you have
to understand covenant, you haveto understand covenant.
It's a marriage covenant, thesame covenant we have with our
spouses in relation to the samecovenant we should have here.
As a matter of fact, this onehelps us establish this one.
Not this way, it goes this way,especially if you're the leader
.
This way, this way, you followme, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Oh yeah, man, I love that.
Actually I have a mentor, thatalways asks me and now I
understand why.
I never understood how is yourwife, yeah, how is she doing?
And now I get it, man, and I'mfortunate man.
My wife is awesome.
She's a huge part of what we dohere, yeah, and she's great at
what she does.
No, no, no, and we do it well,we don't go at each other.

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We have but, but we don't go ateach other.
She fully supports everything.
I support her, man.
It's awesome to watch how Godhas blessed that.
But now I understand why.
I want to pivot a little bit,kind of the same stuff.

(01:03:07):
But I'm going to ask you, goingon the forgiveness, one of the
scriptures that really stood outto me is whenever and I'm
drawing a blank on where it's at, but where it talks about you
know, where you haveunforgiveness, there's no
forgiveness for you from thefather.
So do you believe, or what doyou think about a believer that
has unforgiveness in their heartand they live that way, they

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pass on?
Is that the many jesus talksabout, that prophesied in my
name, that won't inherit thekingdom like, or is there still
the kingdom to inherit for thosethat that that live with
unforgiveness and die withunforgiveness?
That's a good question.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
I'm not going to say I know the full answer, that,
but I could answer it from abiblical standpoint Forgive, so
you can be forgiven and see,this is the key that a lot of
people don't realize.
It's like the Bible was writtenfor the believers, but this is
our blueprint, right, this isour blueprint Now.

(01:04:06):
You can obey it or you can justdisregard it if you want, but
it's also written for theunbeliever.
And then, when they becomebelievers, this is our blueprint
for the way, the way, the waywe follow.
You know, the Christianity, thewalk with the Lord, used to be
called the way, and so this isour blueprint.
And so the, the, the, the, thecrying let's call it a crying

(01:04:27):
Cause it's a serious plan.
I think unforgiveness and you re, I think unforgiveness is one
of the things that stops prayersfrom being answered more than
anything else.
I've studied this subjectUnforgiveness, they're already
coming.
I mean, I teach a dad ink class.
Even in dad ink they teach youhow to be a forgive, because

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there's so many sicknesses thatare associated with
unforgiveness.
My studies tell me that there'sa lot of abdominal issues that
happen with people that hold on,and I work in a hospital, so I
interview a lot of people hey,is there someone that you
haven't forgiven in your life?
How'd you know?
Just to guess you got abdominalissues.
They're looking at me like I'msome kind of crazy guy.

(01:05:12):
Like how did he know?
Yeah, I haven't forgiven mysister for years for doing this,
this and that.
How many years?
20.
And you still hanging on tothat?
Yeah, I still remember like itwas yesterday.
And so the crime is that Jesusforgives so you can forgive
because you were forgiven.
In other words, the price thatwas paid for us to be forgiven

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is no joking matter.
It was blood.
It was the real human blood ofa human being, the Godhead
represented in a human who didnot deserve to die.
But he took that sameunforgiveness that you're having
.
He took that upon himself andthen he forgave us.
And so I wouldn't recommend toanybody that you leave earth

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with a heart full ofunforgiveness.
I don't recommend that becausebiblically it doesn't support
that God overlooks that.
It doesn't Not when it involveshis son that was crucified and
he did not deserve to becrucified and he did not sin.
And he said and at the very endhe goes Father, forgive them,

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for they know not what they did.
And then that was almost one ofhis last words that he said
that's how important and thescary part about unforgiveness
is this Most people that holdonto that.
I believe it's genetic.
You've had parents that didn'tyou know, and that's why Jesus

(01:06:42):
is so important to intervene ina bloodline, because it opens up
your heart.
To like if I want to excel inthe kingdom, I have to be a
forgiven person, and that ain'teasy.
It doesn't mean forget, becausethere's some stuff that we will
never forget.
It just means that I am notholding them accountable and I'm
gonna relieve myself of thatevent that happened to me and
I'm gonna let God be the judge,because we're not the judge and

(01:07:05):
anytime you're not forgiving,you're actually saying you're a
judge above God and you don'twant to be in that position.
You want to let God do what hedoes best.
Now watch this.
I really believe that if you'rean unforgiving person or you
struggle with it, let's just sayyou struggle with it.
You're also having a hard timenot forgiving yourself, like you

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have trouble forgiving yourself, and we all have issues in our
life that I'm like man.
I really blew it back in theday and it knocked me out for I
don't know how many years I wasjust out in the world and those
people have probably forgiven.
If you can't forgive others,then you definitely probably
have issues forgiving yourselfand sometimes you have to
forgive ourselves.
You know, like like forgiveourselves, because if you're

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constantly looking at your pastand the bad decisions you make,
then you can't see the futurethat God has for you, because
you're like cop guy looking backand God says oh, I made you
your new creation in ChristJesus.
Now you can't be looking at thepast no more because it's under
the blood and in most cases thedevil's just trying to remind
you.
He's trying to get you back toyour past and he's trying to

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bring something up, andsometimes he uses people.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
They don't want to forget.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
They don't want to forget you on your path, but
they don't want to remember youin your future either.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
Oh, yeah, man I want to talk about.
I'm going to, I'm going to kindof do the same thing, just
different topics.
About some scriptures and I'mcurious your feedback on these.
Go on and send no more.
Yeah, about some scriptures andI'm curious your feedback on
these.
Go on and send no more.
Yeah, how can we?
Yeah, well, can we do you thinkthat we can look up six months

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from now and look back and Iknow we're not perfect, right,
we can't, we can't be perfectbeings until we get into our new
bodies?
Yeah, so is there a way thatChristians can live out of
obedience to that and go on andsin no more, look back six
months later and say with fullconfidence, like man, I haven't
even been thinking about thissin.
Like, what are your thoughts?

(01:09:01):
Oh, that's a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
You sure you want to get into that?
I would love to.
All right, let's get into itreal quick.
I'm going to make it realsimple.
When Jesus is one of the mostscariest scriptures, because of
being you, we're students of theword, we like to read the word.
When Jesus goes like this, hegoes like this.
He's giving you a scenario ofpeople saying I prophesied in
your name, I did all thesethings.

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And Jesus looks at them andsays get away from me, you doers
of iniquity.
I never knew you.
In other words, they were doingthe religious thing and doing
all the gifts, because God givesus gifts but he doesn't take
them back.
But you can use those gifts inan improper manner, like build
me up, right, build me up.
And so that's scary becausethat points to the church.

(01:09:45):
You're doing all the things, butiniquity is iniquitous patterns
.
Iniquity is sins of theforefathers.
In other words, remember I toldyou earlier I go.
Why can't I stop doing thesethings?
But I'm saved and I love God,but I can't stop doing these
things.
It's iniquitous patterns of theforefathers still working on
the inside of you.

(01:10:06):
Now, we got to run to the Lordfor that.
We got to run to deliverance.
We got to run to.
Something's got to change, lord, because you have to have the
courage in order to say I needhelp with someone.
Sometimes it's going to someonemore spiritual than you.
Sometimes it's going to someonethat has more authority in the
spirit realm that can help you.
Confessing your sins to oneanother right, In other words,
sins of the forefathers isiniquitous patterns and it's

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like they didn't deal with thoseiniquitous patterns and it
alienated them from arelationship from the Lord.
Does it mean that we're notgoing to sin?
Absolutely not.
There's only one one thatdidn't.
But does it also mean that weexcuse our behavior?
No, it doesn't.
Doesn't.
Say that.
Paul himself said this he goes,I don't judge myself, I'm not

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going to judge you, but I don'tjudge myself.
That's what I tell people.
Hey, there's only one judge andsometimes there's judge the
father, father God, fathercreator and father judge.
And we have to have the courageto go to father judge and when
you approach him, you betterapproach him.

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I like to use communion forthat.
I like to use communion.
And then you have to examineyourself, and what that means is
you got to look at every darkarea in your life that you know
that God is not pleased with.
And you got to do communion andjust the body, drink the blood
and say, lord, I need somechange in my life and go one
step at a time.

(01:11:34):
It's like he's peeling offlayers of our lives.
You know, because with theproblem with when we keep doing
stuff like that, you're flirtingwith rebellion, which is the
sin of witchcraft.
Follow me, okay, but sometimesrebellion starts looking like
this it's just a natural part ofmy life, or I hear this a lot
Matt, god understands, heunderstands me.

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And then they just go on andyou're not.
You're not like the woman ohLord, here we go, here we go.
You brought it up.
You shouldn't have ever broughtit up.
The woman with the garment Ijust taught this at the hub.
She had a blood issue and Icall it an equidist pattern
issue.
She had a blood issue.
She stopped bleeding, shecouldn't stop bleeding, but she

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was so desperate and in theLevitical law you can't go
around nobody because you have ablood issue.
In other words, she was exiledfrom the church.
She was exiled from the people,but she figured I've already
spent all my money in Las Vegas,nevada, with all the doctors.
It's my last ditch chance to gethealing and I heard a word, a

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rumor about this rabbi that'shealing people of all kinds of
stuff and she says I ain't gotnothing to lose, I'm the walking
dead.
Anyways, I'm practically goingto get stoned if I touch him,
but I'm willing to be thatdesperate to go to Jesus and
touch the hem of his garment.
And she gambled, and shegambled correctly, because Jesus

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felt power, anointing authority, regenerating power that came
out of him and he goes.
Who just touched me?
It was a touch that I feltpower.
What touched him was the faiththat that woman said I'm so
desperate that I'm already dead,but if I touch him I will be
resurrected.
You see, we have to attack sinin our life like that.

(01:13:24):
Amen.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
Amen.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
We have to attack sin in our life, anything in your
heart that you feel that isseparating you from God.
You got to be ready to get onyour knees and go after that
like that.
And God responds todesperateness.
I tell people all the time it'slike, yeah, there ain't nothing
wrong with getting.
See, the devil don't want youto get desperate because he
wants you to sit back in yourcomfortableness and try to

(01:13:47):
justify it and say it's okay, heunderstands me, he understands,
I got these issues, yeah, butthe blood of Jesus is on the
inside of us.
What are you going to do aboutit?
What are we willing to do aboutit?
How desperate are you willingto get to create resurrection
power, kind of change insideyour being, inside your soul,
inside the bloodline that youcome from that makes you do

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these things?
You follow me, oh, yeah, and soI don't think we're ever going
to get to the point.
See, the question is more thiswhat are you doing with it in
your life right now?
I mean, I just went AWOL Twoand a half days without my
luggage.
I was on AWOL driving all overNaples, florida, and I was like,
oh my gosh, my wife goes.
I haven't seen you angry likethat in years.

(01:14:32):
And then, god's like, talkingto me, like all it took was a
little luggage issue and youflipped out, and then it was
like a reminder.
It's like back to square one.
I'm just yeah, man.
Yeah, I felt humiliated yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
I feel that, yeah, so a couple more things.
We'll wrap up here.
I want to ask, I think, threemore questions and we'll be
brief with them.
You say a comment, so where youwant to go, and that's one of
my favorite quotes.
I don't know if you came upwith that or where that comes

(01:15:09):
from.
I know it comes from scripture.
Yeah, we see that in scripture,but that's awesome.
So that one kind of, and thentie into I don't know if you
know much about the early churchin comparison to today's church
, so I really kind of want tofocus on that.
Really, I want to say thatquote, so where you want to go,
because I think that's awesome.
But how does the early churchlook different from today's
church?
Where are we getting?
What are we getting wrong?

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
Yeah, that's a very good question because I always
tell people, especially, we haveto understand that if you start
looking from the time that Adamand Eve did not build an altar,
cain and Abel did and everybodypassed that, you can't find it.
But I believe that they learnedfrom Adam and Eve because they
messed up and they said, okay,appease God by building an altar

(01:15:51):
.
Okay, and messed up and theysaid, okay, appease God by
building an altar.
Okay, and then offer something.
And so I don't think peopleunderstand that we were placed
on this earth to be farmers,farmers, adam and Eve farmers.
There's a garden, cultivate it,cultivate it.
And so farming is Adam and Noah.
Noah, under the Noahic covenant,seed time and offering.
He came off the ship, gave Godthe most beautiful birds that he

(01:16:14):
could.
He didn't give them chickens orroosters that were on the floor
in the dung.
He picked the most exotic birdsand he burnt them on an offer
and God said I smell gratitudethat I saved you and he
instituted sea time and offering.
Genesis 8, 22,.
Right, and so anytime you sowinto the ground and you want it

(01:16:34):
to be fruitful ground, you'regoing to reap a harvest.
I always tell people if youwant oranges, sow orange seeds.
If you want love, sow love.
If you want friendship, sowfriendship.
Sow where you want to go.
That's the kingdom.
Jesus sowed himself into thekingdom, sowed himself into the
kingdom, sold himself into theearth and look, we were part of

(01:16:54):
a seed right.
In other words, people want areturn on investment.
But I go well, what did yousell?
Nothing, well, guess whatyou're going to get?
Nothing you didn't sell.
You have to sell.
The kingdom is about sellingthe apostles.
They all sold their lives forit to create what we're
operating in.
The difference between today'schurch and that church which is

(01:17:15):
changing right now.
I believe we're in a new theycall it the new kingdom age.
Started in 2020 when the shamdemocrit, but now it's different
.
It's like what's happening now.
It's like we're leaving an oldsystem, and that old system is
you go to church to beentertained and they're not
going to really tell you thetruth because they don't want to
mention sin, they don't want tomention disobedience, they
don't want to mentionpornography, they don't want to

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mention adultery, they don'twant to mention all that crazy
stuff because they're scaredthey might lose some people to
sit in there.
That's what I love with KWM.
I'm going to mention all thatstuff.
I go come on, this is what theBible says.
I'm going to teach you what theBible says.
You can take it or leave it.
I've had people walk out.
I'm like that means I'm doingthe right thing.
People walked out on Jesus allthe time, and so the
entertainment model ofChristianity is leaving the

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disciple.
But the discipleship model iscoming into play.
You follow me on that and it'slike and then?
But it doesn't stop there.
It's how we live our lives.
It's like everyone's a Christianon Sunday, but how are you
holding up under pressure onMonday, tuesday, wednesday,
thursday, friday, saturday, likein private, when nobody knows
you're around, like when you'rein an argument with your wife?

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You know, that's where thechallenge is.
It's like are you a Christianthere too, or just on Sunday?
And so it's more about adiscipleship model, which is
awesome, why you do what you dohere.
You're opening up your heart,discipleship model, which is
awesome, why you do what you dohere.
You're opening up your heart,you're opening up your life,
you're a blueprint to them andsaying look, this is my past,

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but this is my future, andyou're engaging people into the
kingdom and they're seeing itwith their eyes and you're a
living pillar in front of theirface and you're demonstrating
the kingdom in front of them andthey're either going to reject
it or accept it.
Right, and because our hearthas to be open for love.
You know, it's like I'm notyour judge, I'm not going to
condemn you.
There's one that does that byhimself, and that's at judgment

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day, where everyone's going togo under that scrutiny.
You know how did I always lookat it?
As how did we live our liveswith what he did inside of us,
like, how did we steward theblood of Jesus?
Because we're the royalpriesthood, we have to steward
the blood of Jesus, hand it out.
You know, mentor people andstuff.
How did we steward what Jesusdid in our lives for us?
You know and you know thatstuff comes into play on that

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day, and so a lot of things arechanging in the kingdom and one
of the major things that I thinkis what you guys are doing.
A couple of my friends are doingthat.
They opened up their businessesand you created a platform and
you guys are the leaders and thehead and you guys are the.
You're like the Royal priest inthe home, in the business.
You're being the Royal priestand you're the go-to person to

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help them with their troubles,of their worldly troubles.
And you say, well, I got theanswer.
His name is J-E-S-U-S.
If he did it for me, the wordof my testimony and the blood of
life, if he did it for me, hecan surely do it with you.
And then you open up a door sothey can get, because there are
some people that will never goto church.
Man, you have them here, someof them that will never step in

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because they got hurt or theyhave a religious stigmatism
about it, but they don't evenrealize they get a job here and
they're involved in atransformational, breaker,
anointing authority, given fullyoperational Jesus Christ
glorified in this business.
Therefore, you're inside thecovenant, you're part of the
covenant and the glory will hityou and you're getting them from
the right place too, and theirlives are going to.

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You're going to transform theirlives, you're going to
transform their marriages,they're going to restore their
father to the children.
You're going to do all they,and all they did is get a job
here, yeah, and you open thatkind of doors.
That's where I see the kingdomis moving forward.
The church ain't going nowhere.
We need the church, that's thegovernment of God on the earth
realm.
But what's happening is it'sbeing expressed out in the

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marketplace more, and what youguys are doing, what my buddy,
mark McClune, is doing withLiving Water, what they're doing
I do business just for the solepurpose of I'm in the
marketplace and sooner or laterit's like they're struggling
with issues and I'm like can Ioffer some help in this area?
Yeah, you know, pray for them,prophesy over them, use our

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gifts to uh, encourage oneanother.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, and then I might be theironly opportunity that they will
receive something other thanthe world has been offering them
, which is no help at all.

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
Yeah, man, amen, yeah , that is, I believe, this year
the Lord shared with me thatthis is the year of family, for
for my guys specifically, andman, god's opened the door
through some horrific thingsthat have happened with my guys,
but it's been, you know, anawesome thing to be able to go
with their families.
I'll give you an example.
Um, one of my buddies or one ofmy guys, his, uh, his sister,

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was murdered and it gave me anopportunity.
You know, he came from gangsand all of that and he was
coming from the prison, um, as Idon't house arrest now, but it
gave gave us an opportunity togo and to go to his funeral, her
sister's funeral, and to sitthere with his mom and to sit
there with his family and all ofhis friends and just show that
heartbeat of Christ.
I don't say that I just showthat heartbeat of Christ.
I don't say that I'm not evenall trying to pump up what we

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did but it's solely.
it's just to say you know likewe can set up.
You know all these programs anddifferent things that we do
during the day, and what Goddoes a lot of times is he then
will open up the door for us todo things outside, for us to go
to their families, for us toshow the actual heartbeat of
Christ outside of what we do ona day-to-day basis, and do it.

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I mean, it opened the door.
I was able to pray for them.
It was just so awesome.
And now he's going to be goingto a leadership class with me
and you know God is just openingthat door.
But it starts with because whenyou bring in some of these guys
that are coming from the prison, they're not going to let you
just in.
Most of the time, you have toshow that, hey, I'm not just
going to share Christ with you,but I'm going to live it out,

(01:22:53):
and I'm going to be a little bitdifferent in how we live it out
and, as a result of that, godcontinues to open the doors.
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
You know the power of what you're doing is.
You know, god showed me this.
He said big is small and smallis big.
It's not about numbers, no more.
It's about changing individualbloodlines.
Like if you open up the doorsand you say I'm having a big
meeting, come one, come all, andone person shows up.

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God says you did a great jobbecause you just changed the
bloodline.
You just changed the bloodlinefrom that person on, a thousand
generations will receiveblessings because he received
what you gave him and you wereobedient to the call.
And it's like.
It ain't about numbers, no more.
It's about how many people canyou actually disciple at one
time and being there andauthentic.
It's like no, what we do at KWM, we like to do stuff.

(01:23:42):
Take them out to lunch.
Hey, we're an open book.
You need some help.
Call me anytime If I can helpyou spiritually.
I'm going to be there for you.
And it takes a lot of sacrificeto do that because you have to.
Number one you have to be open.
You have to be an open book topeople and you have to be
available and they have to seeyou, because on the average in

(01:24:03):
sales you probably know this IfI'm trying to sell you something
.
You might not buy it on thefirst time.
It'll probably take me seventimes to get to know you before
you finally say I'll buy whatyou're selling.
So think about it.
Seven is the number ofcompletion.
So it takes seven encounters,basically, with somebody for
them to probably try to open upwith you and say and then, but

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we're prepared for that moment,yeah, we're prepared for that
moment, yeah, that's what wewant, to be prepared for that
moment.
We don't want to be so selfinto self that the only thing
that matters is my business.
I like to think of it.
On sowing, where I want to goIf I help people.
Oh Lord, here we go.
Here we go If I help people andthat's what we do at KTMF
achieve their goals and theirvision for the future.

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Only one stipulation let's putthe kingdom first, right, I know
that he will always be therefor mine.
I know that he will always beon the back end.
You know, to expand my businessI want supernatural, but I'm
doing it the kingdom way, likethe kingdom way obedience,
sacrifice.
If you help enough people toget what they want, you will

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always have what you want.
You know that kind of thing.
So I'm sowing into people'slives, you know.
But I'm doing it with a cleanconscience as well, too, like
I'm doing this because I knowwhat he did for me and I want
him freely.
I have received, freely, I'mgiving it to you.
I want him to do that in yourbusiness, in your life.
The only thing our heart thereto me is always this If you tap

(01:25:32):
into the kingdom, I know you'llnever turn back because you see
that it works, and it worksreally well.
God is like return on investment.
God says how much are wedealing with here?
How much do you really want youknow as far as?
And then, and then enters thestewardship how you steward your
life, how, how you're, howyou're stewarding the moments.
I always tell people, if youwant to do the big things in

(01:25:53):
life and you've got these grandvisions of that, the future
there God will always back youup.
It's like becoming is being.
I think you might've heard mesay that Becoming is being, in
other words, in Christ, we'realready in the future, operating
, but I'm trying to become.
I'm trying not to do all thosebad stuff that I used to do.

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I'm becoming.
When you stop becoming is whenyou stop going into the future.
In other words, you're alreadyin the future with God.
So you have to reverse engineer.
What would I be doing in thefuture right now?
Praying, serving, obeying,sacrificing.
Do that now.
And as you keep doing that,you're going and one day you're

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going to sit there and you'regoing to like I'm in the future,
like you're in your futureright now.
But then God says we're notdone yet, we're just getting
started.
And then now you start, youwrite another vision to keep
going.
And God just keeps going.
And what are you doing?
Along the way You've beensowing into people's lives,
changing bloodlines, and Godsays ah, those are the ones that

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get that picture.
That said good and faithfulservant, you know.
And then when you offer God,like, look like I think of Paul,
like, this I offer, I offer youthe Gentiles, this I offer, I
offer you the Gentiles, I diedfor them.
In other words, he gave hislife serving Christ, you know,
preaching Christ crucified andresurrected to the Gentiles.
And so we went up there and hegoes I did what I did.

(01:27:23):
I fought the race, I did it, Idid, I did what you told me to
do go after the Gentiles.

Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
And that was his like offering to the lord when he
got up there, you know wow so,um, there's so many more
questions that I want to, I wantto go through, but for the sake
of time, man, well, we have todo like a part two, yeah, um.
So one thing that I've noticedand is this there's a revival

(01:27:50):
going on across our world andit's awesome.
I see what we do.
I do a tent, revival, tentministry every Tuesday down at
University in Twain, and, andand.
Man, it's just God's moving insuch a big way.
It's awesome because we have wehave the ability to go to the
same location week after weekand develop relationships with

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these people, and I feel like alot of evangelism is like
smacking people in the face withthe gospel Repent, repent,
repent.
And what this does is it givesme the opportunity to go develop
a relationship, and I go backand back.
I mean all the dope dealers areright around there.
I mean there was two shootingsthat happened at that location

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within the last two months, andso it is one of the top three
worst locations, worstintersections in the country at
any given time.
But I believe God's movingmiraculously there because he is
using us and other ministriesthat come in to show hey, he
didn't come to condemn you, hecame to redeem the culture, and
so we're able to live that out.
So are you seeing that likethis nameless revival?

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
Yeah, I heard a prophecy a long time ago and I
believe it and I've been sayingthis at the hub.
I go what if there's a revivalgoing on, but you're so involved
in self that you're not seeingit?
And there's a word that cameout by Dutch sheets that said
that the revival is here andit's with the young people.
And so while I was tripping outin Naples, florida, after I got
my luggage back and I had toget it myself, in one day, the

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same day happened a young kidthat I used to coach he's 30
years old, about to get marriedcalls me up and he says I'm
reading the Bible for the firsttime.
Where should I start?
I'm driving, so my wife istexting on what I told her.
And then we go to a gift shopand we open and there's a young
lady at the cash register withthe Bible open and she looked at

(01:29:38):
my wife and she says I'mreading the Bible for the first
time.
I don't know where to start andmy wife began to minister.
That happened in one day.
And I go oh my God, we're in arevival with the young people.
You know, 30 year old, youngerand stuff like that, and we
don't want to be.
This is going to be differentbecause in the past revivals we

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made an idol of the location andit's like I have a vision that
it says it's here, it's there,it's everywhere, it's just
happening, and God is capable ofdoing something in people like
it's just everywhere.
But what's going to bedifferent is that he's preparing
a remnant of business owners,entrepreneurs, people that

(01:30:22):
aren't looking for a platform.
We're looking to bring Jesusinto the marketplace and looking
for people that are willing tosacrifice their life to mentor
people you know like.
Mentor them, come alongside ofthem.
Isn't it a genius of God thathe does?
See, I can deal with ex-drugaddicts all day long yeah,
because I used to be one andwhatever he delivers you from,

(01:30:44):
he sends you back into thatrealm.
Come on, come on.
That's genius of God.
I'm sending you back and wehave to be obedient and willing.
I have purpose for you herebecause you can deal with them.
You understand them, youunderstand the mentality, what
they have going in their head,the hurt.
You understand the hurt.
You understand why they'rethere, why they took in that

(01:31:06):
road, and you can help, mentorthem or pray for them or be that
pillar of that crossroad andyou're their crossroad.
And he sends us right back intothe area of what he delivered
from.
Just like Moses, you servedPharaoh for 40 years.
You served sheep for 40 days.
Now I'm sending you back to goget my people out.
That's what he's sending youCome on, yeah, oh my goodness.

Speaker 1 (01:31:27):
Yeah, that fires me up.
That's kingdom no-transcript.

(01:31:57):
Be around guys doing all thehard drugs and everything and
have no desire except anoverwhelming desire to just love
on them.

Speaker 2 (01:32:03):
yes, and it just worked before, though, early in
our walk, it was just like itwas just like a hook trying to
hook us again Exactly, and a lotof times we got hooked Yep, I'm
just being like being led likea mule.
Yep, back to the back pass.
And but now see, that's wherethe transformational work that
has been done in our lives, thatit's like.
I have no desire for that, butI have desire for their soul.

(01:32:25):
Yeah, you know, to see themliberated.
Yes, you know that's theredeeming aspect of the body of
Christ that's so needed rightnow in our society and our
culture.

Speaker 1 (01:32:36):
Amen, all right.
Last thing, I'm very curious asto Um, let's ask this what is
what is God teaching you rightnow, like, what is one thing
that you're learning right now?
And uh and then message to kindof two questions.

(01:33:01):
So message to those that arelistening that aren't believers.

Speaker 2 (01:33:05):
You know one of the things.
It's funny because in your walk, especially when you, there was
a time in my life that Ifinally got a revelation of the
Lord that I had to lock myselfup for and I realized one thing.
I said I realized one thing andI wasn't doing it before.
I said I finally made acovenant with God and I wrote it

(01:33:26):
down.
I wrote it down, I go, lord,this is what I want my all to be
.
I put all my kids, or all adultchildren, I put them first and
I put me and my wife down hereat the very bottom and I go and
I just promise you, lord, thatI'll just run to you when it's
good, I'll run to you when it'sbad, and I didn't know the
severity of what I was doing.
When it's good, I'll run to you, when it's bad, I'll run to you

(01:33:48):
and just make you the centerfocus.
What I didn't know I was doingwas what David did.
He always ran to God.
But it made me realize that allthrough my 20s to 40s, mid 40s
to about 48, I was alwaysrunning to other things other

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than him.
And when I did that, that tookcare of about 75% of all my
issues because I kept running tohim.
Other 25% was iniquitouspatterns inside my life and
stuff like that.
And so I learned to surrenderthat part of my life.
And then immediately God beganto do some crazy miraculous

(01:34:30):
things in my children's lives.
Like one of my sons said dad,all my, all my.
He gave me a word saying I'mgoing to make sure that your
kid's debt get canceled.
That very morning my son calledme up, paid $50,000, just
disappeared from my account.
What account?
My student loan account.
And I go are you kidding me?
No, no, I'm serious, dad, andI'm like you're not going to

(01:34:51):
believe what I just written down, what the Lord gave me.
And then I'm like I'm like$50,000 just got released, yeah,
and he reminded me he goesyou're the one that put the
children on the list.
In other words, you're the onethat put your children on the
list first.
And I'm like I feel liketurning that list around and

(01:35:17):
putting me on the top.
But I go nah, they need it morethan I do right now.
But it shows me how importantthat God pays attention to even
the order of operations that youwrite down when you make a
covenant with him, almost to theT exactly.
In other words, he's startingto work on them like that, you
know, like in their lives, youknow, and so you know, and then,

(01:35:37):
and then he has, because onceyou make that decision, then he,
it opens up the door for him tobe able to start working on the
inner layers of our lives.
I believe that we need to gothrough baby seven.
You know the stories in theBible the little girl sneezed
seven times.
The king had to dip in theJordan seven times.
I believe I've been to abouttwo or three deliverances, but I
believe that it's a process forGod to work through the layers.

(01:36:00):
And it's a scary place to thinkthat when you always get to one
area of your life that youthink you have overcome, and all
God has to do is just lose yourluggage one time and you're
like feeling like you're back tonormal, and all God has to do
is just lose your luggage onetime and you're like feeling
like you're back to normal.
And and you know that's a veryhumiliating place for me to be,
especially cause I'm married nowand it's like man, I feel like
I'm just nothing, you know,because I just lost my cool over

(01:36:24):
something that can be replaced,you know, and and so it's.
It's a journey and it's aprocess that we don't ever think
that we achieve the goal whenwe leave and we enter into the
heavens and God says well done,my faithful servant.
You know like that's when it'sover and now we just wait for
the judgment.
But other than that is alwaysbeing in a position with the

(01:36:45):
Lord, that we're always wantingto grow in him and always be
willing to allow him to workthrough the layers of our heart.
And sometimes I like to studythat kind of stuff.
It's like iniquitous patterns,things in my blood.
Why do I have a tendency tojust fly off the handle?
You know, why do I have thosetendencies and I know that that

(01:37:06):
doesn't line up with the word orsomething like that, you know
and being willing and thecourage to be able to have
people around me that I can,that I can actually speak to and
they could speak into life,having someone that I'm
accountable to and stuff likethat, and having those type of
relationships that you know,leaders I don't even consider

(01:37:26):
myself a leader, I'm only.
I only consider myself anythingthat God says that I am, and
I've been very careful on whathe's called me.
And then what other people haveanointed me and spoken to my
life, people that are apostolicin nature.
I never want to be somethingthat God has not called me to be
and so being able to have thecourage on the inside of myself

(01:37:50):
to ask for help.
You know, because when we'retaking the journey, the enemy,
he hates our marriages, he hatesour families, he hates the
unity.
He hates that we're taking aleadership role in the family
and, and you know, being likethe leader watching the
spiritual watchman over thehousehold.
He hates that and he's tryingto do anything to derail the

(01:38:11):
purposes and the future that hehas for that specific bloodline,
like the Walton bloodline.
God has always had a picture ofgreatness, grandeur, but more
than that is it's.
Of course it's going to pay off.
Good, of course the return oninvestment is going to be out of
your mind can conceive, but thetrue impact is going to be what

(01:38:34):
impact did it serve?
The purposes of God in societyand culture.
See, that's the impact that hewants from us, because we
already know that the kingdombusiness is good business,
because it's all about him.
But when you take your eyes offof him, then you get to a place
, and you're seeing that in ourculture today.
You're seeing that even in bigtime ministries who made it out

(01:38:57):
about the platform and where'sGod, and those systems are
crumbling right now.
And a new remnant is arisingwhere you're, I'm starting to
see it now.
A new remnant is arising whereit's not about a platform, it's
about Jesus Christ and thefollow through with that.
So just what he's working on.

(01:39:18):
Yeah, it's not about a platform, it's about our heart, a
remnant of fully devoted.
I'm going to do what you calledme to do.
I'm not going to compromise,I'm not going to be complacent
and I'm not going to sell out onthe kingdom.
It's like I have to answerthose three things every single
day.
I'm not going to sell out formoney.
I'm not going to sell out forthings that don't benefit me,

(01:39:41):
because we're free to doanything.
We're free to do all that, butis it beneficial?
Does it serve God's purposes inour life?
Because that's the differencebetween the kingdom and the
kingdom of heaven and thekingdom of this world.
The world is not about memyself and I and you think
you're going to take it all withyou.
No, no, no, no.
And the kingdom of heaven is allabout serving serving a greater

(01:40:03):
purpose.
I believe, serving a greaterpurpose than yourself, and I
like to look at it as we'retrying to restore bloodlines and
we're the royal priesthood.
Jesus created a kingdom where Icreated kings and queens, royal
priesthood.
We're like priests in themarketplace and we're stewarding
.
That's what you do here.
You're stewarding the blood ofJesus in people's lives that

(01:40:25):
have never heard about Jesus.
They look at you like you'reJesus but you're not.
But he rolls inside of you andthey're looking at you for
guidance and then, but youcreated a system that he's king.
I'm just his servant and I'mstewarding the best of my
knowledge.
And then we're always trying tosay, okay, lord, okay Lord.

Speaker 1 (01:40:47):
All right, guys, we are back.
Sorry, we had some.
Sorry, we had some technicaldifficulties.
We're wrapping this thing up.
We were talking about the orderof Mount Melchizedek.
We'll have to save that for apart two.
But I was just saying to Miguelthat he had said something a
long time ago about honor andabout honoring not honoring
those, honoring your parents andjust honoring those around you.

(01:41:08):
And that's always stuck with me, because if we don't honor and
honor our parents and honorthose around us and specifically
our parents is, I think, theangle that you were coming from
we can be blocking a lot ofblessings.

Speaker 2 (01:41:20):
Yeah, I think it's one of the most key things.
It's always the small detailswhen it comes to the kingdom and
we always think it's a bigissue.
It's actually the littlestissues like dishonoring parents,
dishonoring leadership,dishonoring, and right now we're
vibing what's changing?
It's changing because now theblueprint of the ecclesia in the

(01:41:40):
church is the foundation of thechurch was built on the
apostles and the prophets.
Okay, and so you're.
They call it the new apostolicage.
It's not new, it's what Jesusestablished through the fivefold
ministry.
And so, but honoring apostolicleaders, paul, look at the honor

(01:42:00):
between Paul and Timothy,elisha, elisha, moses, joshua, I
could keep going.
The honor of Jesus and hisdisciples.
Come on, we can just keep going.
It was all based onrelationship, it was all based
off honor and loyalty, and sowhen we dishonor, we're breaking
like one of the firstcommandments that talks about

(01:42:21):
honor.
Honor has something to do withliving long.
Honor your mother and fatherand it will go well with you.
You will live long.
You know what I mean, but Ithink it's that right there.
I always have to think back inmy own life, even recently in
life where, dishonored, my wifespoke ill to her, you know, and
the position she holds in themarriage or whatever, and so

(01:42:43):
it's always one of those thingsI have to repent of.
Like Lord, did I dishonorsomebody that's holding me back
from achieving, from beingblessed the way you want to
bless me?
And if I did bring?

Speaker 1 (01:42:56):
it to my memory so we can just go handle it.
Yeah, you know.
Okay, that's awesome man.
Yeah, that, that always stuckwith me.
Um, awesome, we're going to doa part two of Miguel.
Hope y'all loved it.
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Please comment below andcomment your questions, because

(01:43:17):
I want to start addressing someof these deeper topics and I
really believe that that's wheretrue revelation comes.
And, you know, the last thingthat I want to say is is some of
the most, some of the bestrevelation I've ever gotten from
god has never came from acommentary, a video, a podcast
or anything.
It's coming straight from hiswords, spending one-on-one time

(01:43:38):
with god and god revealingthings to me, and so, um, so,
anyways, I don't know who neededto hear that, but I know I have
needed to hear that a number oftimes.
So, um, but I love you guys.
I want to say one last thingman said this earlier, but just
incredibly grateful for ourfriendship, I'm incredibly
grateful for the, for the wordsyou spoke over my family, over
my business.

(01:43:59):
Um, we met I don't know, it'sbeen a while ago now six, seven,
eight months ago, um, but I,you know, I'd opened the door
like hey man, just just it wasmore for me um to give somebody
access or that freedom to speakinto Um, and so you know he's,
he's one of the few guys that,like I've, I've felt confident
and comfortable to kind of givethat access to, if you will, and

(01:44:20):
give some of that permission ifyou will, um and so.
But, but, miguel, he's writtenus some letters that have just
been so incredible, and so, um,find him on Facebook.
Um, you can find him, just lookup his name.
Is it Miguel Garcia?

Speaker 2 (01:44:32):
Yeah, or KWM entrepreneurs hub.
Uh, we're on Facebook andYouTube, okay, so we're
streaming for the people thatcan't make it on a Friday
mornings at nine to 10 30.
And so we make every Friday,every Friday, uh, but we also
stream it for the people thatare business owners.
They can't make it.

Speaker 1 (01:44:52):
Yeah, check that out on YouTube.
It's awesome.
So they've got a ton of videoson there and they also do mixers
and some things like that Ifyou're local to Vegas, so thank
you, Miguel.

Speaker 2 (01:45:02):
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:45:03):
You got it, brother, and I want to pray.
We're going to pray this out,miguel's going to pray us out,
but thank you guys for tuning in.
Love you guys, and we'll seeyou next week.

Speaker 2 (01:45:11):
Yeah, yeah, thank you , father, for this time of
fellowship.
Lord, and I just ask you, inJesus name, lord, that whoever's
hearing this podcast right now,father, that you just begin.
Father, this is the year ofsupernatural grace, supernatural
grace to overcome the thingsthat we cannot overcome.
Lord, I'm just speaking intothis right now, father, that you

(01:45:32):
provide the supernatural graceto overcome those issues that
might be alienating us from you,from the purposes that you have
in our lives.
Lord, I just release the southwind of your power, the year of
the wind, lord, the south windof your power that brings
abundance, prosperity andblessings into people.

(01:45:57):
Father, I'm asking you to blowthe east wind that comes against
the enemies of God in theirlives.
In Jesus' name, propel us intoour future, propel us, father.
Propel us, father.
Open up the doors that need tobe opened.
Close the doors that need to beclosed, father, but open up our
hearts, especially, father,that we can just serve the
kingdom.
Lord, serve, serve, serve thekingdom of God, father, and just
make us instruments,instruments and pillars in our

(01:46:20):
culture and our society today,that we would advance your
kingdom purposes, even if it'sone bloodline at a time, one
person at a time, and we justbless everybody's coming and
their goings, father in Jesus'name, amen.
Amen.

Speaker 1 (01:46:35):
Amen.
Thank you guys.

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