July 2, 2025 • 22 mins
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Ever wondered what happens when rock bottom collides with divine purpose? Matt Walton's story will shake your understanding of transformation and entrepreneurship to its core.
Matt opens up about his journey from addiction-fueled chaos to purpose-driven business leadership through his platform, Avoda Talk. With raw honesty, he recounts living a double life—running a successful design-build company creating high-end projects worth hundreds of thousands while simultaneously surrounded by drugs and destructive behaviors. The turning point? A surrender that changed everything about his life, business approach, and understanding of purpose.
"Work is not a drag that came after the fall—work is a blessing," Matt explains, challenging conventional thinking about the separation between faith and business. This perspective shift forms the foundation of Avoda, which teaches that business itself can be ministry when approached with excellence and proper intention. Matt articulates this seamlessly: "Our work is our worship, our worship is our service, our service is our work."
What makes this conversation truly powerful is Matt's vulnerability in sharing how his transformation unfolded. Within 60 days of his spiritual awakening, he experienced complete freedom from addiction and began walking in what he describes as "authority and power that I can't even describe." He draws powerful parallels between his experience and the biblical story of King Uzziah, offering a sobering warning about how pride becomes the limiting factor for many successful entrepreneurs. "Our pride is the very thing that will cap us out from being who God created us to be. It will either destroy us or limit who we can actually be."
Whether you're wrestling with finding deeper meaning in your work or simply fascinated by stories of radical transformation, this episode delivers profound insights about integrating faith principles into business leadership. Listen now and discover how surrendering to something greater might be the key to unlocking your full entrepreneurial potential.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up, guys?
This is Matt with Avoda Talk,or the real Matt Walton.
This is your hub for all things.
Kingdom business business asministry, business strategy.
My goal is to provide as muchvalue, minute by minute, each
podcast that you listen to, solet's get to it.
Work, and it's this drag and itcame after the fall and when,
(00:20):
in reality, no work is ablessing.
Dude, god gave us the groundthat has diamonds and gold in it
for us to mine these things andexplore these things and to do
so much incredible things.
So that's what a voter is isthe purpose of this is helping
people understand that, whetheryou're a believer or not, that
your business is your ministryand you should, we should have
(00:41):
the attitude of excellency andwe should do everything with
excellency because we, our workis our worship, our worship is
our service, our service is ourwork.
Like there's no differentiatorbetween any of those and so they
just.
So that's where I vote.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
I love it.
Are you as equally religiousand is that a family thing?
I didn't know if maybe, likeyou, found God and when you were
away, or so I.
Or just curious, how that.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yeah, so I mean, I mean I grew up with in a, in
church, ok, but we had tounchurch ourselves once we grew
up.
We're not about so like that'sreligion, and I'm not about
religion.
I'm about a relationship withJesus Christ.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
So it's not like hey go into my church, sing my songs
and join my programs.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
That's my thing I don't.
I'm not a religion guy, but Ibelieve in just a relationship
with Jesus man.
That's that's what we're allabout, so, um, so, when I got
out, I well, I got out when Iwas like 24, but when I got out,
dude, I climbed the rankspretty quickly at a company that
I was working for to to where Ibought how bought a house, had
multiple cars, dirt bike, thatkind of deal.
Actually bought a house rightnext door to my wife, my future
(01:51):
wife and um, her and her mom andher sister were outside washing
the car, and so me, being I,show up with my buddies driving
my car with dirt bikes in theback and stuff, yeah all right,
this is sweet.
So, um, that house turned out tobe dude, a dope dealer
prostitute haven.
So I spent the next seven yearswith, like, with, with more
(02:13):
dope than you can possiblyimagine, um, and with more crazy
stuff going on in there than Ithan I care to share.
And when I was, I had been upfor days to keep my.
I had a business.
At this point too, I had a.
I had a design build businesswhere I was doing like very high
end backyard spaces, where Iwas designing them and building
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them.
Um, and building hundreds ofthousands of dollars worth of
projects, you know like singleprojects.
That costs, you know, 300 grandin the backyard.
So, while I was doing all thatnonsense, so um I uh it's a
tough gig to keep that alltogether.
So I ended up, man got got endedup in, and there's a scripture
(02:54):
that talks about how Jesus leftthe 99 and pursued the one.
And there was one that got awayand so he left the 99 to go
grab that one.
And that was what I was, thatone, you know.
So so Jesus chased me down andum, and I gave I had avoided it,
avoided it, avoided it Cause Ididn't have anybody in my life
that did.
Nobody talked about Christ inthat way, nobody talked about,
(03:15):
nobody lived a life that wassaying they serve Jesus.
In a way that I wanted to mimic,it was like okay, are you in
prison Like you?
Why are you no different thananybody else?
So, um, like, okay, why are youin prison like you?
Why are you no different thananybody else?
So, um, the one that wasdifferent though this is gonna
sound weird was Tim Tebow.
You know, I don't know the guy,but seeing him I'm like dude,
that guy's got something that Iwant.
And so, um, I ended up man, andhad been up for like 12 days.
(03:39):
At this point, um told my, toldmy wife, my, she wasn't my wife
at the time, she was livingwith me.
And um, she, she's a nurse andend up, gave my life to the Lord
that night, um, and surrenderedeverything over to him and fell
asleep Somehow.
Woke up the next day I wasbeing watched by the police and
um and uh.
(04:00):
So I had a mentor that, while Iwas being watched or followed,
had police sitting outside myhouse, um, I house.
I would literally hop in thecar and go talk to a mentor of
mine and just go over there andto get away and to be in a safe
place.
And when I gave my life to theLord, I let everybody know, let
my family know, everybody know.
And, dude, everything changed.
(04:20):
At that point, dude, I quitusing.
It took me about 60 days afterthat to quit using.
And then finally, I be like.
I woke up one day I hadn't beenable to smell the air, see the
blue skies, hear birds chirpsince I was nine.
You know, I was that kid,always in trouble, suspended
from school.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
You, know always all those things.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
So, um, when I gave my life to the Lord man it was,
it was um, um, I changedeverything I was consuming and
literally everything that I wasconsuming from, like, tv, music,
everything, and I, I, I likeswitched podcasts with, like you
know, guys that were talkingabout kingdom business stuff or
Christian business stuff.
I switched YouTube withpreaching.
(04:58):
I switched, you know, hardcorerap with Christian rap, like
that kind of deal, you know.
And uh, and then 60 days goesby, man, and I woke up one day
and I was free from everything.
I was free and I was walking inthis authority and power that I
can't even describe, and then,from there, had the opportunity
to.
I started being invited onpodcast, had the opportunity to
buy this business.
Um, I brought my mom and dad inon the business, my wife in on
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the business, brought my sisterin on the business.
Um, because of everything thatthey have done, we're at a point
now to where I've got to getother people in there because
we're kind of outgrowing it andso so it's just, it's just, I
wouldn't be here without thisrelationship, and so I'm not one
of those guys that's like, dowe have to view Dude?
(05:46):
It's like, no man, if I don'tlive a life that makes somebody
question it and and be like whatdoes that guy got?
You know I'm doing somethingwrong, man, and so, um, I talk
about a lot because it's just mylife yeah and I love the lord
man.
If it wasn't for him, man, Iwouldn't be here that's
incredible.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
That's a beautiful story.
Yeah, wow, this is the bible.
Huh, that's it.
Now is this like your?
You always keep bible it is man.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
I take it with me everywhere.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
I used to.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Can I touch it and look at?
Speaker 1 (06:08):
it Absolutely Okay.
It used to be guns and drugswith me everywhere.
Now I take that with meeverywhere.
You won't find me at a lunch ordinner without it Really yeah,
wow.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
And you feel free, huh, dude it's-.
What do you feel free, huh?
What do you feel restricted andrestrained by?
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Let me, ask that Do I feel like me, my mind, myself?
I feel I always was my ownworst enemy dude.
I obsessed over everything, andsince giving my life to the
Lord, dude.
Galatians 5.1 talks about this.
It says for freedom, christcame to set us free.
Stand firm, therefore, andnever submit again to the yoke
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of slavery.
And those yokes of slavery canbe dude our pride, our ego,
addictions, our own obsessivethoughts.
And what Jesus does is he comesin and he frees you from all of
that and he actually exploitsthe incredible traits about you.
He removes the negative traitsabout you and replaces them with
these incredible things, towhere you can be an enhanced
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version of yourself, not becauseof the things that you do, but
because of him.
There's a king.
His name is King Uriah.
I'm going to mispronounce hisname.
It's in the Old Testament, 2Chronicles.
It's a true story, dude.
You can look him up.
So he was named King at 16years old.
When he was named King at 16,he was literally handed the
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kingdom of Judah and within thathe reigned for 52 years.
The Bible talks about how, whenhe was at his biggest dude,
this is this is this is what'sreally cool is when he was at
his, his, biggest, I'm going toread.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
You found it that fast.
I'm going to read this too.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
So it says here.
So now he went out and warredagainst the Philistines this is
talking about all his accoladesand broke down the wall of Gath
and the wall of Jabna.
I want to make sure I read this.
He did right in the sight ofthe Lord, according to all that
his father had done, hecontinued to seek God in the
days of Zechari.
Okay, now this is where he getsin.
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I won't read all of thisbecause it's a lot, but God
helped him against thePhilistines and against the
Arabians and against theMinyanites.
The Ammonites also gave tributeto Uzziah, and his fame extended
to the border of Egypt, for hebecame very strong.
Moreover, uzziah built towersin Jerusalem, at the corner gate
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and at the valley gate and atthe corner buttress, and
fortified them.
He built towers in thewilderness and hewed many
cisterns, for he had muchlivestock both in the lowland
and in the plain.
He also had plowmen andvinedressers in the hill country
and the fertile fields, for heloved the soil.
Moreover, uzziah had an armyready for battle, which entered
combat by divisions according tothe number of their muster,
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prepared by Jeel the scribe andMessiah the official, under the
direction of Hananiah, one ofthe king's officers.
The total number of heads ofthe household of the valiant
warriors was 2,600.
Under their direction was anelite army of 307,500 who could
wage war with the great power tohelp the king against the enemy
.
Uzziah prepared all the armyshields.
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He funded the whole kingdom.
The economy was prospering inways that it never was.
He was building buildings andtowers, funding armies and
everything.
Then it says this.
It says his fame spread afar,for he was marvelously helped
until he was strong.
But when he became strong, hisheart was so proud that he acted
corruptly and he was unfaithfulto the Lord, his God.
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For he entered the temple ofthe Lord to burn incense on the
altar of the incense, and thatwas wrong, because that was
reserved at that time for thepriest.
So the priest came in andconfronted him and he was
adamant.
He went against the Lord rightthere.
He was afflicted with leprosyright there and he lived with
leprosy for the rest of his lifeand he actually lost his
kingdom.
His son took over the kingdom.
So that right there tells methat's a big warning for
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businessmen, businesswomen,human beings that our pride is
the very thing that will cap usout from being who God created
us to be, it will either destroyus or it will limit who we can
actually be.
And whenever we allow God tocome into our lives and we
surrender everything over to Himand say God, remove this from
me, remove my ego and pride fromme, god starts to take us
(10:24):
through this process ofsanctification is what we call
it to where he starts to stripyou of things, and it's kind of
like a sailboat.
There's this thing calledjibing to where, if you're going
to the left on a sailboat andyou find out you're going the
wrong way and you're going tohave to, and you may be like
headed towards beautifulpastures, things are going well,
no storms, but you find out youneed to be going that way.
Well, you have to turn the deal.
(10:44):
It where you have to turn thedeal, it's literally called
jibing, and the sailboat slamsover to the side.
You feel out of control for awhile until the wind catches
back on Sure.
And this is what happens when wegive our life to the Lord.
He starts to strip us, hestarts to make things a little
bit more uncomfortable, becausewhat the Old Testament talks
about is God prospered hispeople.
He prospered his people so muchthey were running towns, man
(11:13):
doing so many incredible thingsIn the New Testament, they were
being beheaded.
They were being brutallymurdered.
Because this man, jesus, camedown, claimed to be God, and
because of his claim to be God,that he and the father were one,
they ended up and brutallymurdered him.
And which was all part ofprophecy.
There was over 700 propheciesthat were prophesied 700 plus
years before Jesus ever enteredthis earth, and when he did and
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went through that whole process,he died.
He took God, unleashed on himthe wrath that was meant for the
rest of humanity, on his son,so that we, if we choose to
believe in him, can spendeternity with God.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
So people ask like how come Getting a full
education here?
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Why would?
This is the last thing, but whywould God send me to hell?
And it's like he doesn't Like,we have an opportunity.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
It's just I've asked that question a hundred times,
so I'm engaged on this one.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
So it's like he doesn't just like he doesn't
send anybody to heaven either.
He gives us an opportunitybecause of what his son, jesus,
did on that cross.
He took all of our sin and tookit all on that cross.
He died.
He rose again.
This has been proven outside ofthe Bible by over 500 people
(12:30):
that saw that he revealedhimself to post resurrection and
again and through that, allthese prophecies were fulfilled
and so, um.
So we have the ability toeither give our lives to come
into alignment with that and ifwe do, then we get to have a
relationship with God, freedom,all these things that are just
that I can't even describeoutside of just words or we can
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reject it, and then, if wechoose to reject it, then that's
where you know we won't havethe opportunity to spend
eternity with God.
So it's your choice.
God gives us a choice.
Are you going to accept thefree gift that God extends to us
or are you going to deny it?
And the Bible talks about youknow there's the majority of
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people that talk like I do Ain'tgoing to make it.
It literally talks about many,many, and that word many means
like it literally if you tracethat back to the Greek or the
Aramaic.
It means the majority.
You trace that back to theGreek or the Aramaic it means
the majority.
And so that means 51 pluspercent of people that claim to
know and serve Jesus Christwon't actually inherit the
kingdom of God.
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And how we know is when yougave your life to the Lord, did
things transform in your life?
Do you have a real recognitionfor your sin and your need for
the grace of God?
Are you exhibiting the fruitsof the spirit, which is love,
joy, peace, patience, kindness,goodness, gentleness and
self-control?
And if you are, and you youhave a reverend for who God is,
then then that's signs that youhave accepted, believed and are
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living out what God instructs usto live out here, and and only
at that point.
And so yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Bro, you could be a, a pastor or a priest or whatever
you call that.
I don't know.
That's.
Yeah, that's incredible.
Thank you, I mean sincerely.
I'm an open book with thisstuff.
I don't have any judgmentaround it, awesome.
So I always love hearing aboutit and just hearing other
people's perspective.
But yeah, that was impressive,well done.
(14:26):
How and this?
You just started reading thiswhen you were, I mean, bro.
You found that in two secondsand then you can rattle this
stuff off like you have it fullymemorized.
How long does it take to likecreate that relationship?
Speaker 1 (14:40):
I guess, in using your terms, so I've uh, I mean,
it's been five years Wow.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
I would have thought that was your whole life.
No, it's been five years.
That's incredible.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
So it's just studying .
It's like this morning, dude, Iwoke up a little bit after four
, went on a two and a half milerun, went on a 15 minute walk
and I got another almost mileout of that walk.
During that time I'm prayingand thanking God, man, and just
going through that, just thatrelationship, just like you and
I are talking right now.
I talked to God.
Most people don't think Godstill speaks.
(15:14):
And, dude, my story is dude.
I heard all growing up man Godonly speaks through his word.
If he's speaking to you, you'rehearing, not hearing from God.
No, god will speak to youbefore you ever give your life
over to him.
And he was telling me hey, matt, when you're done doing those
drugs, I'm ready, I'll be ready,man.
And we got some incrediblethings to do and I just kept it.
(15:36):
I kept avoiding it becausepeople always told me you're
going to be a pastor and I'mlike, no, I don't want to be a
pastor.
How funny that I know that Godhad called me to be a pastor in
the marketplace and so, andcalled me to buy businesses,
sell businesses, grow businesses, but, most importantly, develop
human beings and teach themthese principles so that we can
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see human beings thrive and italso be a zone where dude, if
you choose not to believe I'm, Idon't, I'm dude, it does not
matter, it's not going to affectour relationship.
Man paul, it's not anythinglike that.
I can't stand it wheneverpeople do that, because that's
not Jesus man.
This was dining with all theeverybody that we're talking
about.
So, yeah, that's that's so.
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I'll finish it off with sayingthis God spoke to me then and he
still speaks to me now.
That's the reason whyeverything happened here.
All the systems, processes,people, manuals, everything was
a direct result of God giving mea vision.
That vision I told you aboutthat ecosystem.
Yeah, dude, I was out of bodyexperience, saw this flying over
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Vegas.
Everything was dark, except formy factories in the middle and
those nonprofits that I wastalking about and the living
facilities, and I could see itplain as day, dude.
So God will speak to you, hewill tell you things and through
that he gives, he starts towork through things within you
whether maybe you haveforgiveness that needs to happen
, maybe your identity is notproper, maybe you have offense,
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whatever it is, and he starts tostrip those things from you and
gives you a brand new identity.
And so God's given me anidentity of like.
Dude, you're a world changer,and so it's like okay, that
that's.
That's the calling that God hason my life is to be a world
changer, and so my thing is is Iwant to be around the like.
God's given me a love forbusiness, like I absolutely love
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it.
I every little bitty detailabout it, man.
I wake up in the morning timeready to get after it.
You know, it's hard for me togo to sleep at nighttime because
I'm thinking and buildingthings.
So, um, that's from the Lord,because I believe God's called
me to be around men likeyourself, men that are doing
hundreds of millions, billionsof dollars worth of revenue, um,
and to have these kinds ofconversations.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Incredible, my goodness.
We haven't even gotten into thepodcast.
you should be recording thatwhole, thing, okay, yeah, yeah
cool, right, you cut that up,that you, that you guys, have to
put a lot of energy on yoursocial.
I mean, this is such a and ifyou're giving x amount even more
(18:12):
.
If I could, I could give anyadvice.
I would.
I I don't know what your guys'highest and best uses are, but
let's assume that, um, that yourhighest and best use, which
would be marketing, in myopinion, you would just be in
charge of marketing.
So it's not that you move up tosales or something I don't know
.
Again, I'm speaking out of turnhere, but let's say that you go
(18:38):
to sales and then you bring ina social media company that can
do that.
You could sub out.
I would encourage you to stay asthe manager, as the manager of
that, uh, subcontracted person,because it becomes a, a
full-time job.
Like for me to like have to dothis.
Like you were, like I just wantyou to come on podcast.
I'm like, well, you got to textthis person, this person that
they get to get me to get there,and you know, and if, imagine
if it was me.
And then it's like I got tolook at my calendar, I got to
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call this person and see if Icould.
Oh, you know, like I want to beable to just wake up and it
onto the market and I don't eventhink about like none of that.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
That's where.
That's where we're headed.
And yeah, thank you for sayingthat, because that's you need
someone to manage that person.
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
It's not just bringing that person in.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
And that's where we've talked about that.
We've actually.
She, actually I was in Boise,idaho, meeting with a media
company, um, to bring them on,and she met with a guy named
Jake who did all this stuff forNorth Las Vegas fire department.
That grew them from nothing towhere they're at now.
He, he does commercials forlike tar, like Sony.
He's video though, but he'she's a videographer, so he can
come in actually bring the droneand the professional footage.
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She could manage it, and youknow, and then, and then we
could post the content createthe content out.
Um, that's the goal.
I mean.
Eventually, it's like I wasinspired by you, with with you
and Luis, and I'm like wheneverI saw that in action and I don't
even know all the details of itI was like, yeah, yeah, cause I
saw it.
I'm like, listen, we're, we'regoing to do something very
similar to that as well.
(20:06):
So I I just I just hired I'mbig on finding niche experts to
do things Does that make if?
That makes any sense?
So if I have a, if I'm lookingat this thing and I'm saying,
okay, well, I need um, you know,I could dude, I could dive into
marketing and and do all thethings and delegate it out to
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five or six different people anddo all that, but that takes me
away from doing everything else.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
That's what I'm saying.
That's a you yes Task, not ayou task.
Don't do that yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So this company, they're calledWizard of Ads.
They're the reason why you knowwho Rolex is.
There's a reason why you knowwho A1 Garage is.
They're the reason why you knowwho Ghetto is, the flashlight,
Um.
So I just hired them and I havea 30 day out with them.
And then Louise texted me theother day about about, you know,
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talking about that stuff, andso I'm like, okay, so I'm
continuing to interview peoplebecause I would love to piece it
together or delegate it out toto them and then and then do it
a little bit different modelthan that right there growing
the brand and doing all thethings.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
So to be clear, yeah, a really good implementer, the
yes, yeah, I mean because thevisionary, I'm a visionary in my
space.
Uh, it's important that I'm,like, surrounded by executors.
Yeah, because it's like thesecond, I have a thought and a
vision.
I'm onto the next thought andvision, you know, um, but anyway
(21:32):
, uh, well, I wouldn't let thoseother guys go talk to Luis,
cause we only do videography andsocial media.
Okay, you know.
So if there's other value thatthey're bringing to the table, I
don't want to not get thatservice that I think could be of
value to you.
Um, but Luis speaks thatlanguage, but I just think you
have an incredible product thatwould explode, and then you
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behind it like, yeah, you, guyshave something special here,
thank you.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Thank you, man.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
And yeah, thank you, thank you, congrats.
Okay, what do you got?
Let's go, let's do it.
What's up, guys?
This is Matt with Avoda Talk,or the real Matt Walton.
This is your hub for all things.
Kingdom business business asministry, business strategy.
My goal is to provide as muchvalue, minute by minute, each
podcast that you listen to, solet's get to it.
Work, and it's this drag and itcame after the fall and when,
(00:20):
in reality, no work is ablessing.
Dude, god gave us the groundthat has diamonds and gold in it
for us to mine these things andexplore these things and to do
so much incredible things.
So that's what a voter is isthe purpose of this is helping
people understand that, whetheryou're a believer or not, that
your business is your ministryand you should, we should have
(00:41):
the attitude of excellency andwe should do everything with
excellency because we, our workis our worship, our worship is
our service, our service is ourwork.
Like there's no differentiatorbetween any of those and so they
just.
So that's where I vote.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
I love it.
Are you as equally religiousand is that a family thing?
I didn't know if maybe, likeyou, found God and when you were
away, or so I.
Or just curious, how that.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yeah, so I mean, I mean I grew up with in a, in
church, ok, but we had tounchurch ourselves once we grew
up.
We're not about so like that'sreligion, and I'm not about
religion.
I'm about a relationship withJesus Christ.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
So it's not like hey go into my church, sing my songs
and join my programs.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
That's my thing I don't.
I'm not a religion guy, but Ibelieve in just a relationship
with Jesus man.
That's that's what we're allabout, so, um, so, when I got
out, I well, I got out when Iwas like 24, but when I got out,
dude, I climbed the rankspretty quickly at a company that
I was working for to to where Ibought how bought a house, had
multiple cars, dirt bike, thatkind of deal.
Actually bought a house rightnext door to my wife, my future
(01:51):
wife and um, her and her mom andher sister were outside washing
the car, and so me, being I,show up with my buddies driving
my car with dirt bikes in theback and stuff, yeah all right,
this is sweet.
So, um, that house turned out tobe dude, a dope dealer
prostitute haven.
So I spent the next seven yearswith, like, with, with more
(02:13):
dope than you can possiblyimagine, um, and with more crazy
stuff going on in there than Ithan I care to share.
And when I was, I had been upfor days to keep my.
I had a business.
At this point too, I had a.
I had a design build businesswhere I was doing like very high
end backyard spaces, where Iwas designing them and building
(02:34):
them.
Um, and building hundreds ofthousands of dollars worth of
projects, you know like singleprojects.
That costs, you know, 300 grandin the backyard.
So, while I was doing all thatnonsense, so um I uh it's a
tough gig to keep that alltogether.
So I ended up, man got got endedup in, and there's a scripture
(02:54):
that talks about how Jesus leftthe 99 and pursued the one.
And there was one that got awayand so he left the 99 to go
grab that one.
And that was what I was, thatone, you know.
So so Jesus chased me down andum, and I gave I had avoided it,
avoided it, avoided it Cause Ididn't have anybody in my life
that did.
Nobody talked about Christ inthat way, nobody talked about,
(03:15):
nobody lived a life that wassaying they serve Jesus.
In a way that I wanted to mimic,it was like okay, are you in
prison Like you?
Why are you no different thananybody else?
So, um, like, okay, why are youin prison like you?
Why are you no different thananybody else?
So, um, the one that wasdifferent though this is gonna
sound weird was Tim Tebow.
You know, I don't know the guy,but seeing him I'm like dude,
that guy's got something that Iwant.
And so, um, I ended up man, andhad been up for like 12 days.
(03:39):
At this point, um told my, toldmy wife, my, she wasn't my wife
at the time, she was livingwith me.
And um, she, she's a nurse andend up, gave my life to the Lord
that night, um, and surrenderedeverything over to him and fell
asleep Somehow.
Woke up the next day I wasbeing watched by the police and
um and uh.
(04:00):
So I had a mentor that, while Iwas being watched or followed,
had police sitting outside myhouse, um, I house.
I would literally hop in thecar and go talk to a mentor of
mine and just go over there andto get away and to be in a safe
place.
And when I gave my life to theLord, I let everybody know, let
my family know, everybody know.
And, dude, everything changed.
(04:20):
At that point, dude, I quitusing.
It took me about 60 days afterthat to quit using.
And then finally, I be like.
I woke up one day I hadn't beenable to smell the air, see the
blue skies, hear birds chirpsince I was nine.
You know, I was that kid,always in trouble, suspended
from school.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
You, know always all those things.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
So, um, when I gave my life to the Lord man it was,
it was um, um, I changedeverything I was consuming and
literally everything that I wasconsuming from, like, tv, music,
everything, and I, I, I likeswitched podcasts with, like you
know, guys that were talkingabout kingdom business stuff or
Christian business stuff.
I switched YouTube withpreaching.
(04:58):
I switched, you know, hardcorerap with Christian rap, like
that kind of deal, you know.
And uh, and then 60 days goesby, man, and I woke up one day
and I was free from everything.
I was free and I was walking inthis authority and power that I
can't even describe, and then,from there, had the opportunity
to.
I started being invited onpodcast, had the opportunity to
buy this business.
Um, I brought my mom and dad inon the business, my wife in on
(05:21):
the business, brought my sisterin on the business.
Um, because of everything thatthey have done, we're at a point
now to where I've got to getother people in there because
we're kind of outgrowing it andso so it's just, it's just, I
wouldn't be here without thisrelationship, and so I'm not one
of those guys that's like, dowe have to view Dude?
(05:46):
It's like, no man, if I don'tlive a life that makes somebody
question it and and be like whatdoes that guy got?
You know I'm doing somethingwrong, man, and so, um, I talk
about a lot because it's just mylife yeah and I love the lord
man.
If it wasn't for him, man, Iwouldn't be here that's
incredible.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
That's a beautiful story.
Yeah, wow, this is the bible.
Huh, that's it.
Now is this like your?
You always keep bible it is man.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
I take it with me everywhere.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
I used to.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Can I touch it and look at?
Speaker 1 (06:08):
it Absolutely Okay.
It used to be guns and drugswith me everywhere.
Now I take that with meeverywhere.
You won't find me at a lunch ordinner without it Really yeah,
wow.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
And you feel free, huh, dude it's-.
What do you feel free, huh?
What do you feel restricted andrestrained by?
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Let me, ask that Do I feel like me, my mind, myself?
I feel I always was my ownworst enemy dude.
I obsessed over everything, andsince giving my life to the
Lord, dude.
Galatians 5.1 talks about this.
It says for freedom, christcame to set us free.
Stand firm, therefore, andnever submit again to the yoke
(06:48):
of slavery.
And those yokes of slavery canbe dude our pride, our ego,
addictions, our own obsessivethoughts.
And what Jesus does is he comesin and he frees you from all of
that and he actually exploitsthe incredible traits about you.
He removes the negative traitsabout you and replaces them with
these incredible things, towhere you can be an enhanced
(07:08):
version of yourself, not becauseof the things that you do, but
because of him.
There's a king.
His name is King Uriah.
I'm going to mispronounce hisname.
It's in the Old Testament, 2Chronicles.
It's a true story, dude.
You can look him up.
So he was named King at 16years old.
When he was named King at 16,he was literally handed the
(07:29):
kingdom of Judah and within thathe reigned for 52 years.
The Bible talks about how, whenhe was at his biggest dude,
this is this is this is what'sreally cool is when he was at
his, his, biggest, I'm going toread.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
You found it that fast.
I'm going to read this too.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
So it says here.
So now he went out and warredagainst the Philistines this is
talking about all his accoladesand broke down the wall of Gath
and the wall of Jabna.
I want to make sure I read this.
He did right in the sight ofthe Lord, according to all that
his father had done, hecontinued to seek God in the
days of Zechari.
Okay, now this is where he getsin.
(08:10):
I won't read all of thisbecause it's a lot, but God
helped him against thePhilistines and against the
Arabians and against theMinyanites.
The Ammonites also gave tributeto Uzziah, and his fame extended
to the border of Egypt, for hebecame very strong.
Moreover, uzziah built towersin Jerusalem, at the corner gate
(08:33):
and at the valley gate and atthe corner buttress, and
fortified them.
He built towers in thewilderness and hewed many
cisterns, for he had muchlivestock both in the lowland
and in the plain.
He also had plowmen andvinedressers in the hill country
and the fertile fields, for heloved the soil.
Moreover, uzziah had an armyready for battle, which entered
combat by divisions according tothe number of their muster,
(08:56):
prepared by Jeel the scribe andMessiah the official, under the
direction of Hananiah, one ofthe king's officers.
The total number of heads ofthe household of the valiant
warriors was 2,600.
Under their direction was anelite army of 307,500 who could
wage war with the great power tohelp the king against the enemy
.
Uzziah prepared all the armyshields.
(09:18):
He funded the whole kingdom.
The economy was prospering inways that it never was.
He was building buildings andtowers, funding armies and
everything.
Then it says this.
It says his fame spread afar,for he was marvelously helped
until he was strong.
But when he became strong, hisheart was so proud that he acted
corruptly and he was unfaithfulto the Lord, his God.
(09:40):
For he entered the temple ofthe Lord to burn incense on the
altar of the incense, and thatwas wrong, because that was
reserved at that time for thepriest.
So the priest came in andconfronted him and he was
adamant.
He went against the Lord rightthere.
He was afflicted with leprosyright there and he lived with
leprosy for the rest of his lifeand he actually lost his
kingdom.
His son took over the kingdom.
So that right there tells methat's a big warning for
(10:03):
businessmen, businesswomen,human beings that our pride is
the very thing that will cap usout from being who God created
us to be, it will either destroyus or it will limit who we can
actually be.
And whenever we allow God tocome into our lives and we
surrender everything over to Himand say God, remove this from
me, remove my ego and pride fromme, god starts to take us
(10:24):
through this process ofsanctification is what we call
it to where he starts to stripyou of things, and it's kind of
like a sailboat.
There's this thing calledjibing to where, if you're going
to the left on a sailboat andyou find out you're going the
wrong way and you're going tohave to, and you may be like
headed towards beautifulpastures, things are going well,
no storms, but you find out youneed to be going that way.
Well, you have to turn the deal.
(10:44):
It where you have to turn thedeal, it's literally called
jibing, and the sailboat slamsover to the side.
You feel out of control for awhile until the wind catches
back on Sure.
And this is what happens when wegive our life to the Lord.
He starts to strip us, hestarts to make things a little
bit more uncomfortable, becausewhat the Old Testament talks
about is God prospered hispeople.
He prospered his people so muchthey were running towns, man
(11:13):
doing so many incredible thingsIn the New Testament, they were
being beheaded.
They were being brutallymurdered.
Because this man, jesus, camedown, claimed to be God, and
because of his claim to be God,that he and the father were one,
they ended up and brutallymurdered him.
And which was all part ofprophecy.
There was over 700 propheciesthat were prophesied 700 plus
years before Jesus ever enteredthis earth, and when he did and
(11:35):
went through that whole process,he died.
He took God, unleashed on himthe wrath that was meant for the
rest of humanity, on his son,so that we, if we choose to
believe in him, can spendeternity with God.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
So people ask like how come Getting a full
education here?
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Why would?
This is the last thing, but whywould God send me to hell?
And it's like he doesn't Like,we have an opportunity.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
It's just I've asked that question a hundred times,
so I'm engaged on this one.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
So it's like he doesn't just like he doesn't
send anybody to heaven either.
He gives us an opportunitybecause of what his son, jesus,
did on that cross.
He took all of our sin and tookit all on that cross.
He died.
He rose again.
This has been proven outside ofthe Bible by over 500 people
(12:30):
that saw that he revealedhimself to post resurrection and
again and through that, allthese prophecies were fulfilled
and so, um.
So we have the ability toeither give our lives to come
into alignment with that and ifwe do, then we get to have a
relationship with God, freedom,all these things that are just
that I can't even describeoutside of just words or we can
(12:51):
reject it, and then, if wechoose to reject it, then that's
where you know we won't havethe opportunity to spend
eternity with God.
So it's your choice.
God gives us a choice.
Are you going to accept thefree gift that God extends to us
or are you going to deny it?
And the Bible talks about youknow there's the majority of
(13:14):
people that talk like I do Ain'tgoing to make it.
It literally talks about many,many, and that word many means
like it literally if you tracethat back to the Greek or the
Aramaic.
It means the majority.
You trace that back to theGreek or the Aramaic it means
the majority.
And so that means 51 pluspercent of people that claim to
know and serve Jesus Christwon't actually inherit the
kingdom of God.
(13:34):
And how we know is when yougave your life to the Lord, did
things transform in your life?
Do you have a real recognitionfor your sin and your need for
the grace of God?
Are you exhibiting the fruitsof the spirit, which is love,
joy, peace, patience, kindness,goodness, gentleness and
self-control?
And if you are, and you youhave a reverend for who God is,
then then that's signs that youhave accepted, believed and are
(13:57):
living out what God instructs usto live out here, and and only
at that point.
And so yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Bro, you could be a, a pastor or a priest or whatever
you call that.
I don't know.
That's.
Yeah, that's incredible.
Thank you, I mean sincerely.
I'm an open book with thisstuff.
I don't have any judgmentaround it, awesome.
So I always love hearing aboutit and just hearing other
people's perspective.
But yeah, that was impressive,well done.
(14:26):
How and this?
You just started reading thiswhen you were, I mean, bro.
You found that in two secondsand then you can rattle this
stuff off like you have it fullymemorized.
How long does it take to likecreate that relationship?
Speaker 1 (14:40):
I guess, in using your terms, so I've uh, I mean,
it's been five years Wow.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
I would have thought that was your whole life.
No, it's been five years.
That's incredible.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
So it's just studying .
It's like this morning, dude, Iwoke up a little bit after four
, went on a two and a half milerun, went on a 15 minute walk
and I got another almost mileout of that walk.
During that time I'm prayingand thanking God, man, and just
going through that, just thatrelationship, just like you and
I are talking right now.
I talked to God.
Most people don't think Godstill speaks.
(15:14):
And, dude, my story is dude.
I heard all growing up man Godonly speaks through his word.
If he's speaking to you, you'rehearing, not hearing from God.
No, god will speak to youbefore you ever give your life
over to him.
And he was telling me hey, matt, when you're done doing those
drugs, I'm ready, I'll be ready,man.
And we got some incrediblethings to do and I just kept it.
(15:36):
I kept avoiding it becausepeople always told me you're
going to be a pastor and I'mlike, no, I don't want to be a
pastor.
How funny that I know that Godhad called me to be a pastor in
the marketplace and so, andcalled me to buy businesses,
sell businesses, grow businesses, but, most importantly, develop
human beings and teach themthese principles so that we can
(15:57):
see human beings thrive and italso be a zone where dude, if
you choose not to believe I'm, Idon't, I'm dude, it does not
matter, it's not going to affectour relationship.
Man paul, it's not anythinglike that.
I can't stand it wheneverpeople do that, because that's
not Jesus man.
This was dining with all theeverybody that we're talking
about.
So, yeah, that's that's so.
(16:18):
I'll finish it off with sayingthis God spoke to me then and he
still speaks to me now.
That's the reason whyeverything happened here.
All the systems, processes,people, manuals, everything was
a direct result of God giving mea vision.
That vision I told you aboutthat ecosystem.
Yeah, dude, I was out of bodyexperience, saw this flying over
(16:38):
Vegas.
Everything was dark, except formy factories in the middle and
those nonprofits that I wastalking about and the living
facilities, and I could see itplain as day, dude.
So God will speak to you, hewill tell you things and through
that he gives, he starts towork through things within you
whether maybe you haveforgiveness that needs to happen
, maybe your identity is notproper, maybe you have offense,
(17:03):
whatever it is, and he starts tostrip those things from you and
gives you a brand new identity.
And so God's given me anidentity of like.
Dude, you're a world changer,and so it's like okay, that
that's.
That's the calling that God hason my life is to be a world
changer, and so my thing is is Iwant to be around the like.
God's given me a love forbusiness, like I absolutely love
(17:26):
it.
I every little bitty detailabout it, man.
I wake up in the morning timeready to get after it.
You know, it's hard for me togo to sleep at nighttime because
I'm thinking and buildingthings.
So, um, that's from the Lord,because I believe God's called
me to be around men likeyourself, men that are doing
hundreds of millions, billionsof dollars worth of revenue, um,
and to have these kinds ofconversations.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Incredible, my goodness.
We haven't even gotten into thepodcast.
you should be recording thatwhole, thing, okay, yeah, yeah
cool, right, you cut that up,that you, that you guys, have to
put a lot of energy on yoursocial.
I mean, this is such a and ifyou're giving x amount even more
(18:12):
.
If I could, I could give anyadvice.
I would.
I I don't know what your guys'highest and best uses are, but
let's assume that, um, that yourhighest and best use, which
would be marketing, in myopinion, you would just be in
charge of marketing.
So it's not that you move up tosales or something I don't know
.
Again, I'm speaking out of turnhere, but let's say that you go
(18:38):
to sales and then you bring ina social media company that can
do that.
You could sub out.
I would encourage you to stay asthe manager, as the manager of
that, uh, subcontracted person,because it becomes a, a
full-time job.
Like for me to like have to dothis.
Like you were, like I just wantyou to come on podcast.
I'm like, well, you got to textthis person, this person that
they get to get me to get there,and you know, and if, imagine
if it was me.
And then it's like I got tolook at my calendar, I got to
(19:07):
call this person and see if Icould.
Oh, you know, like I want to beable to just wake up and it
onto the market and I don't eventhink about like none of that.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
That's where.
That's where we're headed.
And yeah, thank you for sayingthat, because that's you need
someone to manage that person.
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
It's not just bringing that person in.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
And that's where we've talked about that.
We've actually.
She, actually I was in Boise,idaho, meeting with a media
company, um, to bring them on,and she met with a guy named
Jake who did all this stuff forNorth Las Vegas fire department.
That grew them from nothing towhere they're at now.
He, he does commercials forlike tar, like Sony.
He's video though, but he'she's a videographer, so he can
come in actually bring the droneand the professional footage.
(19:45):
She could manage it, and youknow, and then, and then we
could post the content createthe content out.
Um, that's the goal.
I mean.
Eventually, it's like I wasinspired by you, with with you
and Luis, and I'm like wheneverI saw that in action and I don't
even know all the details of itI was like, yeah, yeah, cause I
saw it.
I'm like, listen, we're, we'regoing to do something very
similar to that as well.
(20:06):
So I I just I just hired I'mbig on finding niche experts to
do things Does that make if?
That makes any sense?
So if I have a, if I'm lookingat this thing and I'm saying,
okay, well, I need um, you know,I could dude, I could dive into
marketing and and do all thethings and delegate it out to
(20:29):
five or six different people anddo all that, but that takes me
away from doing everything else.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
That's what I'm saying.
That's a you yes Task, not ayou task.
Don't do that yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So this company, they're calledWizard of Ads.
They're the reason why you knowwho Rolex is.
There's a reason why you knowwho A1 Garage is.
They're the reason why you knowwho Ghetto is, the flashlight,
Um.
So I just hired them and I havea 30 day out with them.
And then Louise texted me theother day about about, you know,
(20:59):
talking about that stuff, andso I'm like, okay, so I'm
continuing to interview peoplebecause I would love to piece it
together or delegate it out toto them and then and then do it
a little bit different modelthan that right there growing
the brand and doing all thethings.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
So to be clear, yeah, a really good implementer, the
yes, yeah, I mean because thevisionary, I'm a visionary in my
space.
Uh, it's important that I'm,like, surrounded by executors.
Yeah, because it's like thesecond, I have a thought and a
vision.
I'm onto the next thought andvision, you know, um, but anyway
(21:32):
, uh, well, I wouldn't let thoseother guys go talk to Luis,
cause we only do videography andsocial media.
Okay, you know.
So if there's other value thatthey're bringing to the table, I
don't want to not get thatservice that I think could be of
value to you.
Um, but Luis speaks thatlanguage, but I just think you
have an incredible product thatwould explode, and then you
(21:55):
behind it like, yeah, you, guyshave something special here,
thank you.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Thank you, man.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
And yeah, thank you, thank you, congrats.
Okay, what do you got?
Let's go, let's do it.
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