E-11-Shadows That Whisper: Personal Ghost Stories and Paranormal Experiences

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Something shifts in the air when you step into an abandoned hospital. The whispers of the past seem to linger in every corner, making even the bravest souls question what might be watching from the shadows. In this deeply personal episode, we gather in the old Chillicothe Hospital to share the supernatural encounters that have shaken our understanding of reality.

Eric takes us through his bone-chilling experience working alone on New Year's Eve, when unexplained noises and mysteriously opening doors made it clear he wasn't truly alone. The hair-raising details of objects falling repeatedly from shelves with no explanation will make you think twice about dismissing those strange sounds in your own home.

From the whistling ghost that follows a high school football game to a Ouija board session that left participants stranded in a cemetery with their car mysteriously locked, each story builds upon a shared understanding that some things simply defy logical explanation. We explore the fine line between benevolent spiritual encounters—like the patient who reached out from beyond to offer comfort during a medical crisis—and malevolent forces that seem determined to cause harm.

The conversation takes unexpected turns, including the tale of a mysterious carpenter who created an architectural marvel before vanishing without a trace, and a cursed wooden gargoyle that refused to be destroyed even by fire. Each story serves as both entertainment and warning about the unseen forces that might be operating just beyond our perception.

Whether you're a skeptic or a believer, these firsthand accounts from ordinary people in small-town Texas will make you question what exists beyond our understanding. Listen with the lights on—and maybe check that your doors are locked.

Episode Transcript

Zack (00:01):
And with those baby blue eyes and that smile that's mine.
This year, well, she turnedthree.
You better grab a hold ofsomething.
Hold something, grab a hold ofyou and don't ask a question if
you can't take the truth, causeit might be a question if you

(00:26):
can't take the truth, because itmight be a reflection of you.
I said it might be a reflectionof you.
All right, coming to you livefrom the old, abandoned
Chillicothe Hospital inChillicothe, texas.
This is the B to the E To the Z, and that is Be easy, be easy,

(00:51):
baby.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
I'm going to have to relax, get back, so we're here.

Zack (00:57):
Back in the studio, back in the saddle.
I guess you'd call this astudio, right.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
That's what it would be.

Zack (01:04):
That's what it would be.
This is the old, abandonedPentecostal hospital.
The spooky dookie, yeah, thespooky dookie, oh, scooby-doo
baby.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
There's been so many things happen here.

Zack (01:20):
One of my favorite cartoons.
We need to get him in here.
Oh, baby, see who really messedup in here?
I'm telling you right nowthere's some serious stories
I've heard about this place,yeah, and this is going to be
our first episode of thishospital talk, hospital, excuse
me, hospital slash, ghoststories, I mean just.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Well, it's a natural place for that.
People walk into it.
There's people that can't evengo in here.

Zack (01:53):
People walk in here after dark, say, seashells by the
seashore.
So uh, yeah, you know, we wekind of hit on this at the end

(02:16):
of an episode not too long agoabout ghost stories and uh this
hospital and things that'shappened to us and that we we
felt like we might want to sharea little bit of it.
I mean, eric here has had someserious yeah, serious stuff
let's talk about it because Ihad one recently.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
I guess yeah, so do you want to talk?
So?

Zack (02:33):
we're talking about ghost stories, spooky stories yes,
this is for entertainmentpurposes only.
It's spookyoky, though.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
I was working at night for a while.

Zack (02:45):
At night.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Yeah, like overnights and I've done it before Is that
when the freaks come out?
Well, you know, I've heardstories about the building
before.
I used to stay at nights.
yeah, that's true, and I've beenthere even when other people
heard funky noises.
The building does make noises.
You kind of get used to themand know what they are, like the
refrigeration crack anddefrosting and stuff like that,
and the wind when it hits thebuilding, because otherwise you

(03:07):
don't really hear a lot outsideof stuff Usually.
Uh, yeah, that's what startedthis and that was kind of weird.
And I heard some other kinds ofstuff, like people you know
been there when they're bythemselves.
It got pretty spooky.
I had people that leave, theydidn't want to stay the whole

(03:29):
night.
They called like they can't doit, they can't work in that by
themselves, and I mean I neverbothered me that bad.
Yeah, they freak out forwhatever reason.
They say they heard this orthat or you know, uh, more than
one, two or three people likecouldn't work in that by
themselves, uh, but uh, anyway,so that's what I was doing.
All right, you know what?
I also heard some other stufflike uh, oh yeah, like what like
they it was it was crystalactually and somebody else had
told her because, uh, like, shewas there one morning like that

(03:50):
and there was just a couple ofthem in the building and you
know, she thought, usually whenthere's people there you can
sometimes like smell people youknow it's like an old lady like
an old lady.

Zack (03:57):
That's right, there's a guy at the mexican food
restaurant.
My god, anyway, I'm sorry aboutthat, but nobody was there.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
You know you like, it's like somebody just walked
behind you and you can smellthem.
Even you know stuff like thatand anyway, yeah, like I said,
I've heard stuff and I alwaysexplain it away.
You know, like, but uh, there'salways.

Zack (04:18):
That's what I was trying to do.
That couldn't happen.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah, yeah and I really wasn't even thinking.
I've been working all thesenights and it's kind of zombied
out you.
I wasn't thinking it was NewYear's, but it was New Year's
Eve, because I remember therewas a floor guy there for a
while and I let him out about1130 or something and I was
looking when it was about 1140something.
I was like, man, I'll probablywalk back up front or something
and see midnight or whatever,and I kind of forgot about it

(04:40):
and then about it, and then, uh,I even I was thinking about
something else, I guess, becausethen I heard, like inside the
building and I was like it'slike a gunshot, you know.
So, like I said, you don'tusually hear shit outside, and I
was like, oh hell, I looked atmy watch, it was like 12, 20 or
something, though, and uh,that's something funny there too
.
Uh, I was like that's got to befireworks, I guess, but it was

(05:03):
like 1220.
And I didn't go look at them ornothing.
But I only heard like four orfive.
And then also, you don't hear alot of is a helicopter coming
over, like you know what it is.

Zack (05:15):
Gunshot and a helicopter yeah like it flew pretty.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
I figured it was going to the hospital, but it
sounded closer than usual.

Zack (05:21):
Yeah, like this is like Flash.
Yeah, closer than usual.
Yeah, Like this is likeFlashback to the moment.
Yeah, time you got your dickshut off.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Shut off A lot of bad thoughts, a lot of rough
thoughts.
So I heard that and then thefireworks started again, I guess
Whatever like the popping, andI still didn't even like go up
front and look or nothing,because I mean this was all
happening maybe over like six oreight minutes.
It all kind of happened fast,like what the hell?
You know what's going onoutside and the wind hits, and I

(05:49):
thought that was real too,because it was kind of you know,
it was like 12 30 that happensa lot of times like a big wind
out the north, you know, kind ofhits the building and that kind
of hit the building and like,uh, right after that, some stuff
fell about two aisles over fromme, like it sounded like you're
the only one in the store yeah,yeah, I'm the only one in the
whole building and uh, I go overand look I don't find nothing I
mean on the ground for sure andI look up on top of that,

(06:11):
something just fell over.
It sounded like it was upanyway, like it didn't hit the
ground, like it was up somewhere, something probably.
I just didn't find it orwhatever.
Like not even a minute later,something else about in the same
place sounded like it again.
Hmm, you know I ain't gonna look, let me go investigate.
And it did it again.
I heard shit fall.

(06:31):
Then it sounded like somebodyrattling jars, like it was like
that, wouldn't you know.
I was still thinking like well,something fell, and so I quit
looking.
Jars are chains you know itsounded weird.
It sounded like somebody wasright, because it sounded like
it was like pretty close to me,like about two aisles over.
It almost sounded like what itwas in the pickles or something
I could hear like what the helldoes that noise?
Anyway, that happened like itwouldn't even be a minute and it

(06:55):
would do it again.
Surely not again.
It did it like eight times inten minutes maybe.

Zack (07:03):
I was looking at my watch.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
I'm like fixing the rat shit down.
It's like between 1220 and 1240.
All this shit happened For howmany minutes?
Eight, yeah, like about eight.
Noises Like I kept hearing shitlike that?
I was like that ain't nothing.
Surely what did that?

Zack (07:14):
Why is it saying it was like kind of different now and
then.
Anyway, I thought I thought youknew what the heater?

Speaker 2 (07:23):
I didn't know I don't know sounds like water running.
I don't have no water blowingor something, but that was just
then.
I continued to hear stuff thatwas just when it was like that
and like, like.
For the next couple of hours Iwould just keep starting to
freak me out.

Zack (07:39):
Don't even stop telling this.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
No, no, it was getting like I was just laughing
, I was trying to ignore it andI would be like no, you know,
and then it would like somethingwould happen again.
About every 10 or 15 minutesI'd hear something and then
about three or four I was.
You know, people start comingto the store about four or five.
Sometimes I'll have somebodyshow up early to do something.
That was the produce cutting orbakery doing something.
They're usually somebody'sthere about five, but about now

(08:02):
I figured shit ain't going to goon when people come or whatever
, and I thought it was slowingdown.
I was on the other side of thestore and something you don't
hear at night.
It's a weird noise.
You only hear it.
Those blue doors you go throughthey kind of make a weird noise
Like a whipping noise you don'thear that shit when nobody's
there with you, you know withyou, you know somebody's, you

(08:25):
know.
Anyway, I was like, not far fromthat like I could.
When I looked up I heard thatdoor and I, you know, it just
made me look up and when I lookI could see pieces that door and
I was like what?
The maybe, maybe it wasn'tquite shutting it shut.
You know now, I hadn't beenthrough that door on that side.
Okay, maybe trying torationalize.
So then, I go around the cornerto where I'm straight on with
that door and I'm messing onthat like the coffee and shit's
there, you know, and it does itagain, like I almost can't look

(08:47):
up fast enough to see it, butit's right at the end of the
deal and that was about the lastthing that happened.
That was about 3, 30 or 4, Ithink.
I think it was like 3, 40, isit been?
It all been about three hoursor something that it was, and uh
, then it stopped, of course,and I was just like I tell you,
the whole time it felt likesomebody was in the building
messing with you.
It was just like a kid orsomething.

Zack (09:08):
Did you get sleep that day before work?
Yeah, yeah, I've been like ameth head looking through the
blinds.
I would not take my eyes offwhere that sounded.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah, no, I was doing pretty good.
I mean, yeah, as far assleeping stuff that day, you
know, because I kind of plannedon it.
It was my second, out of threedays, I'd work Monday night, and
that was a Tuesday by myself,and then I was going to work the
next night and I'd been offbefore that.
Yeah, saturday and Sunday.

Zack (09:31):
I was doing really pretty.
I mean, it wasn't like a roughweek or nothing.
So did you figure out what itwas?
No, that's just it.
Yeah, I don't, you'll scarethem too.
You're like here he goes again.
Hey, shit, you'll scare peopletoo Well.
I've had some other man, I gota pretty good one myself.
Back when we were in high school.

(09:51):
I was in high school, y'alljust graduated, so that would
have been like 90.
Football game, three Footballgame Coach Smart was the coach
at the time and we left thefootball field headed to my
house, we being my ex-wife.

(10:12):
But we left the football fieldheaded to my house, which is
three miles outside of thecountry, and we hit Farmers
Valley Line, which everybodyaround here knows what Farmers
Valley Line is.
It's the county line and itdrops off and you can see my
house about a mile away andshe's in front of me.
She's in front of me and thenshe's in that green Ford Bronco

(10:36):
and she starts swerving all overthe freaking road.
I mean like, oh, I was likewhat the hell?
Somebody's attacking her.
I didn't know what was going onreally.
And so she hits the dirt roadand tears ass and she don't
drive fast, she flies down there, slams on the brakes so I'm
flying now and she jumps out ofthe vehicle and she runs around

(10:57):
to the back of the vehicle andstays about five foot back.
Then she runs up and looks inthe back and I said like what in
the hell is going on?
I pulled up and said what isgoing on?
She's like I swear to Godthere's somebody in the backseat
of my vehicle.
As soon as I come up over thehill, right there county line, I
can see the house.

(11:17):
And she said she heard plane isfreaking day.
I was like what, come on now.
So I kind of blew that offbecause you know we're in high
school, not thinking about muchof anything else.
So go in there and it's timefor her to go home and always

(11:38):
stop at the door She'd give me akiss, goodnight, you know.
Say goodbye, blah, blah, blah.
And as soon as she kissed me inmy room, in my house and I'm
telling you right now, stalkerFreaked us out so bad I'm going
to tell you right now, freakedme out.
I slept with a butcher knife.
I'm not going to lie to you.

(11:59):
I mean plain as day, bro.
Why do they got to do that?
And I'm like I wanted to gowake my parents up, but I didn't
want to seem like a pussy.
You know what I'm saying.
You know, dad wasn't too faraway.
He was asleep on the couch.
He slept on the couch everynight until I graduated high
school or passed out on thecouch, but anyway.
So I was like man.
I told my parents about it.
I was like damn.

(12:20):
I mean it's crazy that she saidthat then it happens again
while we're both there.
That's what was nuts.
So I always ate breakfast withmy grandmother and I'm telling
her what happened and she looksat me and she goes whistle, like
you did it again.
And I said she said okay, letme tell you not to freak you out

(12:41):
, freak you out, but thebrothers built this house back
in 1920, 1915, whenever the hellit was.
And one of the brothers I can'tremember when she said it was
always whistled, just like that,anytime any female walked up.

(13:01):
I just you knew the whistlefrom a mile away and who was
doing it.
And he built that house.
I was like man.
That's crazy, though, you know,did he go to all the football
games?

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yeah, Did he get all of them or just this one?

Zack (13:17):
You know that was.
I mean that's kind of freaky, Imean it's not just super scary
or nothing, but it happened.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's not just super scary or
nothing, but it happened.

Zack (13:25):
Yeah, yeah, I mean so.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Funny Connects Got a damn perv ghost Ghost.

Zack (13:31):
Yeah, I hate them stalker ones.
He's seen some crazy shit.
Stalker one, stalker one,Stalker ghost, no, no, yeah.
So I mean there's lots ofunexplained things out there
yeah, oh yeah, see mine I guessit scares mine ouija board.
I should have never done that.
No, absolutely yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
No, I don't think but earl, he was there, yeah, at
the cemetery yeah, so so justjump in there real quick.

Zack (13:55):
So for y'all that don't know well how, I believe and we
were raised especially, you know, me and chris, both uh, our
parents were our moms, were, youknow, pretty uh, they used to
call them bible thumpers aroundhere.
Really, yeah, yeah, I mean likeso, but anyway, people thought
they were weird y'all don't,don't even, don't even look at a

(14:16):
ouija board.
Yeah, I don't because they'lljump right through that board
right on top of your ass and andthey'll have a hold of you and
people look like what is this?
Motherfucker?
It's crazy.
No, that's true thing.
Yeah, it's like talking tomedians or psychics yeah,
there's some things you don'tmess with.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
There's that they're there and they're not to be
messed with you, don't?

Zack (14:32):
you're not supposed to talk to the dead.
You're not supposed to see.
Yeah, I wish I would have neverdone that, but anyway, we had
it.
We was out there with a few ofus, a lot of other stiff and we
put the Ouija board on the backof the car.
Okay, so we all got out and putit on the back of the car.
Well, we was doing it.

(14:52):
Everybody got scared and like,all right, I'm ready to go.
A lot of girls got scaredbecause it was moving.
Drape was there?
Yeah Me, you Drape, well,anyway, me and Drape you, a
couple others, back of the car,calling up whoever would answer.
Somebody started moving.
We're like, oh shit, got readyto leave.

(15:18):
The car was locked, the keysinside running.
This was before cell phones.
They locked your ass out Rightthere.
Yeah, so you couldn't leave.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
We could not leave.
We were right there, rightthere by the cemetery In it.

Zack (15:32):
In the cemetery.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
We were in it, I was not.
I wasn't even 50-50 thinkingthat, okay, what part of the
cemetery were you at, right inthe middle?
Were you on the back corner?

Zack (15:39):
Kind of in the back corner when the witches are buried.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yeah, yeah yeah, Well , yeah, I weren't far from that.
Yeah, that used to be there.
No, but this is where we weredude, because then we were
looking around, Because wheneverwe were messing with it, I was
still thinking like somebody'smoving it.

Zack (15:51):
I did too.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
And it was like because they were like who is
this?
And they, when we're lookingaround and the car's running and
shit, we find a grave rightthere where we are and it's a
six-year-old, Somebody that hadbeen buried when they were six
and shit like that.
So I don't know it would havebeen, it would have took one of

(16:12):
us.

Zack (16:13):
We had to stay out there a long time, dude, yeah we were
out there a long time waiting.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Somebody had to wait, man, we had to wait.
Yeah, I know, wow, we were outthere a good while.
I'm so scared, bro.
Yeah, so everybody feared thatGirls.
Hell, I've been scared too.
I was Believe me, I was justlike it was true man.

Zack (16:37):
That's the last time, some things you just don't mess with
.
Well, I didn't know.
I thought it was cool.
I don't even know whose idea itwas.
Where the Ouija?

Speaker 2 (16:46):
board came from, I don't know, for some reason.
It was kind of a thing rightthen.
For a couple weeks people werelike, hey, you want to do it, we
did it.
I don't know.

Zack (16:53):
I don't know why I knew a person.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
I thought it was a game Because there was that's
what it was.
There was more than one,probably.

Zack (16:58):
What was it?

Speaker 2 (16:59):
They did the Ouija board in the beginning of it
yeah, what was that?

Zack (17:09):
Was that Vampire Hollywood ?
What was that?
They killed vampires or, youknow, the lost boys was the lost
boys may have been?
Yeah, there was some other.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
There was some other, crazier than that about ouija
board so uh, but uh, yeah, Idon't know why.
To me I thought it was morelike uh, it was kind of
interesting trying to figure outif it's real or not, or who's
doing it.

Zack (17:28):
Yeah, and shit like that trying to, you know, guess but I
didn't, I didn't believe to me,I believe any of that.
Until we got ready to go andthe car was locked.
I was like, all right, bro, andit was just running.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Yeah, it just turned into a shit show.
There was just like a lot oflittle shit starts falling apart
.

Zack (17:42):
Yeah, shit just started going wrong.
Like, wow, I knew this chickone time that she got possessed.
I mean, I didn't see this, butshe was working at a place in
Houston and had a friend therethat worked there, an older lady

(18:02):
that had a son that passed awayand she was calling a median
while they were at work andtalking to this median, medium,
medium, and she said, hey, youwant to talk to my son, which
supposedly is talking throughthe medium, you know what I'm

(18:23):
saying?
And she made the mistake ofpicking up the phone and at
first she said I didn't realizewhat happened, what was going on
.
Then bad shit started happening.
She had to move all the wayhome, next thing, you know,

(18:46):
starting to see shadowseverywhere, starting to feel
like somebody's watching, andyou know, you mix that with a
combination of drugs which justopens the door faster.
Yeah, definitely, she said shewas sitting.
Bad things just happened to her.
Somebody tried to molest her,you know.

(19:07):
Just a bunch of shit happened ina row and she's like she called
somebody to come get her andthey came and got her and she
said they were driving back fromthat place.
And she said they were drivingback from that place and she
literally saw in her leg ahandprint come up in her skin
trying to push out of her legfrom the inside.
And then the next thing sheknew she was throwing up black

(19:30):
ball, straight black.
And uh, she just pulled up inthe, the town where she from,
and one of her friends, whichwas a churchgoer, said you need
to come with me.
And they went to a preacher'shouse Trying to get saved.
Oh, I'll tell you right now.
They didn't want to come out,said they didn't want to come

(19:52):
out.
They didn't want to come out,said they didn't want to come
out, started throwing up a bunchof black bile Until finally,
you know about 18, 20 hourslater, Got it out.
Yeah, he never stopped.
The preacher never stopped.
I mean, you just take that.
I say face value, that's whatshe said, you know, and I don't

(20:16):
know why she would make that up.
She didn't know I had areligious background, but I mean
, shit like that is crazy anddon't think it don't happen.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
I'm telling you right now it does.

Zack (20:25):
I mean anybody can have.
You're not supposed to walkinto a room and see shadows out
of the corner of your eye.
Or if you walk by a mirror andyou see a face in the mirror,
that's not right, bro.
You need to get some help.
You need to get some God help,Right, Because you're not
supposed to see things like that.
No, and you know I'm a firmbeliever in that I mean you just

(20:48):
don't.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
There's things to see Ouija boards.
You know, yeah, that was crazy.

Zack (20:51):
I'll never do that again.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
You know crazy.
I'll never do that again, youknow, don't think about it, I
mean.
But I do have another story, ormore there's a positive one, I
suppose it sounds different hey,there are good ghosts, right,
right.
Well, that's like that I've alsofelt benevolent, like I said,
like somebody's messing with me,stuff like that.
I've had some other ones that'sjust like one that's hard to
believe you know you're byyourself or whatever, uh, but uh
, one that was really wild to me.

(21:15):
It takes some explaining, somesetup.
Of course I was a nurse and atone time when I had the clinic,
I was the director of the clinic.
I was always there early in themorning and there were certain
patients.
You know, you just get into amorning routine and this one
little lady, she just sang likea bird, I mean like constantly
all the time, and she sang.
Well, she sang like ateverybody's funeral in vernon

(21:36):
for years and uh, she worked inthe wagner bank and uh, her, she
was like one of 11 kids.
Her uh, dad was like a reverendin mississippi.
It was a black lady and uh,anyway, that she was just, you
know, such a sweetheart had washaving such a rough life.
Though she didn't have any kids, she had like somebody she
called her nephew.
I don't think it was havingsuch a rough life though she

(21:56):
didn't have any kids, she hadlike somebody she called her
nephew.
I don't think it was reallycancer that she kind of raised
and uh was just the example ofwhat you, you know you're
probably supposed to be as aChristian, almost, but she just
had this horrible health andstuff, you know, and just I
don't know, it was just but sheto her being around.

(22:17):
As you know, there's just somepatients that are different and
it was really that way when Iworked in dialysis.
You see, you you're usuallyhaving for some years, you know
you just kind of, and prettyoften several times a week, uh,
but anyway she was just, youknow, kind of special person and
just like I said, she sang atall these funerals and just sang
, she just, and was alwayssinging, you know, like
christian music, gospel music,as old, old school stuff,
southern baptist.
You know like christian music,gospel music, it's old, old
school stuff, southern baptist,you know uh.

(22:37):
But anyway, uh she did, she hadan infection or something and
passed away and uh, I'm gonnasay two, three months later had
uh leo, had uh fallen out of thegrocery basket at target in the
parking lot and had uh hit hishead and had like a seizure,

(22:57):
damn, and they checked him out,you know, in Wichita then, and
you know we had some other.
They did some tests you know tosee and they couldn't figure out
what was wrong.
If there was anything elsewrong, couldn't really tell.
You don't know when you've had.
You know he was little, he waslike 18 months old and that
could be a concussion at any age, can you?

Zack (23:15):
you don't know how tall it is compared to 18 months old.
So not.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Probably two weeks later or so he has another
seizure and it was like, uh, hedid, he just like he was at the
boys and girls club and somebodyran into him, so it was, and
knocked him down, hit floor,pretty, no, pretty good, fall in
and he had another seizure andthey had the ambulance came,

(23:43):
yada, yada, so he had anothertrip to the hospital.
Uh, so crystal was pretty free,you know, sprayed out.
This shit could happen.
And I wasn't there, uh, any ofthese times, the first two times
either of those times, none ofthose.
Uh, but I knew he had barely.
You know, like you're on pinsand needles, what's going on,
they don't know.
You just kind of wait and see.
We're going to maybe do morestuff.
Well, not even.
Like, some days later they're athome and she says she's
watching him, like, just, youknow, come in out of the

(24:04):
bathroom right there and hefalls on a carpeted floor like
nothing, like a little kid will,and then taps his head on the
floor and just goes into it likeanother seizure, like to it,
like a another seizure, like theword, it's like a convulsion,

(24:25):
you know, like drooling and and,uh, she just said she felt an
immense panic, you know, and Ican imagine right then.
But then all of a sudden shejust had like a voice and almost
like a vision and and felt likethis lady at the bank that, for
whatever reason, was tellingher that your baby's going to be
okay, your baby's okay.
Anyway, we ended up going toCook's and all this stuff.
We're at Cook's, they do allkinds of tests, have us in there
for days and whatever.

(24:45):
Can't really figure out.
If he's going to have moreproblems, we may have to have
him.
It's not epilepsy, but he doeshave an injury.
That's probably going to getbetter.
He may still have trouble later.
It's hard, you know, it's abrain thing.
You don't know.
It may come back when he'slater.
You don't need to get, youdon't need to get hit in the
head, all right, but uh, the theless the better.
It's so and you know, anyway,while we're down there I'm
talking to crystal about how shetalked and she talks about how

(25:08):
you know she had that panic andthen it just came over her and I
was like what are you talkingabout?
This lady at the bank?
Because I was pretty good aboutmostly, you know, like hippa,
like I didn't talk aboutpatients or have I had some that
came to my house that wereunavoidable.
I had you know, like a couplelike that came from quater or
whatever here in chillicothe,that would come, you know, and
the kids knew them and stufflike that.
But this is not somebody I everspoke of or anything.
And she says, for some reason,that lady that worked in the

(25:31):
basement at the bank uh, justtold me that he's your baby's
gonna be okay, she was in it.
I was like who you talkingabout?
She goes well, she just always,you know, uh, but always talk
about leo.
When I would go there it wasbecause leo was a baby, that's
the only one she'd had with himwith her.
And turn I found out who it wasand I was like that's, you know
, kind of that's wild, that'swild well anyway.
So I still wasn't 100 on board,dude, I'm still not 100 on board

(25:55):
, and probably when I came backto work after that happened,
though, she told me that aboutthree days later I go to work,
like at four in the morning orwhatever, then and I'm just
walking up to the building and Iget this for no reason.
I mean, I'm barely awake, I'mout of eat breakfast or whatever
, you know, barely doing myroutine, that I did like
whatever.
I'm just walking in, gettinglike he, like I can't even open

(26:16):
the door, I just start cryingand just I'm overtaken and for I
don't know why, I really andthen I was, as I'm going in, I'm
just like you know, it's likeshe's not here and I, it was
like just as, and I still wasn'tlike that day.
I wanted to tell people, likethe other people there,

(26:37):
Something you normally didn'tthink of like that.
Huh, it just all starts comingin on you weird and it's a
feeling like I said as much asanything and then I still was
probably like you know.
It kind of calms down.
You're still like no, I stillgot three phone calls from her.
My phone would ring and atfirst I didn't and I answered it
finally every time you meanthat her number would come up.

(26:59):
Yes, and I hadn't heard fromher in months and nobody had
tried to call me, she's dead.
Yes, she passed away for sure,then, and I got that weird air
when I would answer it.
It sounds like you're kind ofecstatic a little bit, something
weird, and anyway.
This is a test.
Yeah, I told her about thatbecause I was like still no, no,
somebody's got her phone, shit.

(27:20):
And then it like, I was like,but it happened three times
because another time, not longbefore that, had another patient
pass away, that was from here,same kind of thing, but I think
somebody had his phone the sameway I was writing it off.
Then, yeah, like I got a callfrom him why'd they call this
number so much?

Zack (27:33):
and it was maybe or?

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Some guy threw his old phone or whatever or the
other number.
It was just, but it was a lot.
It was like even when you sayhey, give me a sign.
It was almost like no.

Zack (27:42):
Maybe Is that really Same.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Something just keeps being undeniable.

Zack (27:49):
So I have told the story about give me a sign.
I've told you all that beforeyeah yeah, I've told you all
that before.
Yeah, yeah, and yeah, that'swhen you ask for a sign, it gets
answered immediately.
That's some.
It makes you back off a little,don't it?
Hey, I'll tell you right nowthat I ignored it and I wished I
wouldn't have Bad thingshappened.
But you know, that's crazy.
Yeah, but that was Gettingcalls from the beyond.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Yeah, and, like I said, the feelings like that
were weird, because any othertime, like when you're spooked
or scared or something, you knowwhat I mean.
No, this was such a weird, andnot that I don't know, I had
never thought of it that way, itjust came upon me, you know
what I mean.

Zack (28:24):
At least it wasn't like Charles Manson calling you Right
, right, yeah Because.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
I have.
That's why I think you don'tlook.
I trapped in between you know,for whatever, Like the people
that haunt things and stuff likethat.
Yeah, we don't know.
Have some reason, that's right,we don't know.
Yeah, like here in thishospital.
But to me it seems like theremight be some loss.

Zack (28:41):
Yeah, because I think.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
I'll tell you some other ones that really make you
sound crazy.
I don't know if it's a ghoststory or a demon.
At night, you know, I swear toGod, like I felt somebody behind
me, like laying in the bed withme.
I was in a single twin bed, youknow I was probably 10 or 12.
Was he spooning you?

Zack (29:04):
I just felt like somebody laid in the bed.
You know, oh, that's even worse.
I turned to the wall.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
I turned to the wall.

Zack (29:09):
I'm turning to the wall in the corner Can't escape I and
I'm like, is this like?
My brother or my dad God I hopeso.
Yeah, kind of Only me and myuncle touch me, like that.
I was kind of late.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
I was half-assed asleep.
I wasn't totally asleep.
I remember that.
I remember my door was evenopen.
There was light coming in, butdark in my room, and I just
start to kind of lean over tosee who it is and they kicked
the shit out of me.
Oh hell, kicked the shit out ofme.
No, hell, no, I ain't lying.
So so then I'm kicked up intothe wall and I look again and
you can see where it looks likesomebody's supposed to be there,
but there ain't nobody likethere was a body imprint.

(29:42):
Oh man, yeah I freaked out, dude.
You know what I did?
I just laid the fuck back downfor like probably two or three
hours and wouldn't look at thatside of the bed.
I wouldn't even move.
Yeah, hey, and the mic?

Zack (29:52):
no sir, no blink no, blinking, just straight up.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
No, and then and then , when I finally, looked again,
it moved, dude, it went fromthere to my closet like that
damn it, like in a flash boy.

Zack (30:05):
Just say, I mean, I was like, I was like in between,
like I don't know, like probably10 or 12 oh okay, I wasn't
about high school, but I, Iremember pretty vividly, you
know still hell yeah, because Iremember sitting there pts, ptsd
from that shit.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
It kicked me like in the back of my ass, kind of like
, oh, here comes the real story.

Zack (30:25):
And that scar kicked you.
With what?
Now, there was no penetration.
Okay, it wasn't just, you sure?
Yeah, and I still thought that.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
I still thought of that a long time.
It's like fucking.
I had a fever or something,maybe you know.

Zack (30:37):
So I thought it was just Wow, wow, at least nothing.
Yeah, because I was the birdflew Another time when I thought
it was like that.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
I seen like lights, like I think what I saw either
then was like ball lightning orBall lightning.
Yeah, what they call that.

Zack (30:53):
When I tried, to look at what it was.
It was in a storm, thelightning that comes up and goes
every direction.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah, yeah, it came in my way.
That's what it's called.
It's a different kind Plasmalightning or ball lightning.
It comes from the ground andgoes up and then goes around in
the clouds and then comes backdown.
It did In the window, didn'tbreak the window, came through
the window into the house.

Zack (31:15):
The lightning did.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
Yeah, this glowing orb.

Zack (31:18):
I'm pretty sure that wasn't lightning.
It lights up.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
No shit, I know.
It still didn't make totalsense, but I've heard this.

Zack (31:23):
I've heard people say this so what was it?
What was it?

Speaker 2 (31:25):
That's what I hear.
The closest thing I hear isball lightning.
Some people would illuminatedthe room's electricity.
I don't know if I can tell youyeah, I can see, oh, hell, no,
like I can see the wiring to thelights, to the switches, to the
outlets, like glowing, yeah youdon't know.

Zack (31:47):
You don't know a guy named powder, do you?

Speaker 2 (31:49):
right, I know that's what I thought and I always I
was.
I'm trying to try around thesame age.

Zack (31:53):
Probably.
I was like that Albino,probably a preteen.
Yeah, yeah, not powder, likeyou know what I mean.
Entertainment purposes only.
Sorry, the magic power, notthat kind of magic power.
Didn't want to fool y'all.
Better times up here than youthink you know it's not, you
know but uh, I swear, it waslike the wildest shit.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
It was enough to make me like look up to stuff, like
what could that be?
And like, wow, try to like.
I try to tell my dad's likewhat could you know?
I swear to god, he wasn'thearing that shit and I didn't.
He's like, what did you see?
And I told him he's like hewanted to believe by the way I
described it like you know likeyou get my moonshine like
there's nothing that should.
Why would you?
You know?
I didn't even.
I don't even know.
If I knew where the wiring was,then.

Zack (32:33):
I'm sure you didn't.
Couldn't he just try to explainwhat you saw?

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah, but that's what I seen.
And then it goes back out thewindow and never broke the
window or anything like that Wow, it's gone.

Zack (32:42):
Which it makes you just On a brighter note.
So, I know I told Chris this, Idon't know if I've told you this
there was a church in like 1890, and not a missionary.
Nuns had it and they had whatwas a convent, but it was just

(33:02):
like junk.
And they finally saved upenough money Enough.
People moved to the town.
You know what I'm saying.
It was like 1850, I believe, inSanta Fe, new Mexico, and so
they finally get enough moneythat they're going to build a
church, I mean a nice place forthem.
So this architect comes in andthey explain what they want and

(33:27):
it's beautiful I mean beautiful,beautiful place and there's a
balcony inside the cathedral,there's a second story and you
have to have a staircase thatgoes up to it, right.
So they got this architect andhe works and he dies right
before he's finished everythingbut the staircase and he died.

(33:49):
And we're talking like 1850.
There ain't no telephones.
There ain't no.
Let's go down here, let's godown to Ace and let them give me
a number, somebody I can call.
You know what I mean.
So they don't know what to do.
So they start praying, and youknow, uh, uh.
And Catholics pray to saints,you know, and there's a

(34:12):
carpenter, there's a saint,that's a carpenter.
Right now I can't remember hisname.
It's probably a good detail.
I should have.
But, you know, it's like Joseph,I believe it is Joseph.
But so they start praying forlike three months, like 80 nuns
praying, getting shit done, twoor more.

(34:32):
I'm there, so anyway.
So about three months later aguy comes up and knocks on the
doors and says I'm here to buildyour staircase.
And they're like you know,we're talking about no
telephones, no, nothing.
And they're like okay, he said,but I have one stipulation no
one can come in the church whileI'm building the staircase.

(34:54):
I got to be alone.
And they're like oh, okay, Justhappy to have somebody build a
staircase.
So three months go by and theydon't hear no hammering, no,
nothing.
And they finally go to thedoors of the cathedral, they
open it up and there's thestaircase, a double helix spiral

(35:19):
staircase which has no nails,no glue, no nothing.
It sits on itself and holdsitself up and they use it till
this day.
The guy is just gone.
And they, they're like didn'tpay him, not nothing, he's just
gone.
That's a pair.
So they go down to the onlylumber yard, probably in the

(35:40):
state you know, and they say,hey, we just had this guy come
down, builder staircase, wedidn't catch where he's from.
We need to pay him.
He's like what guy?
There ain't been nobody cominghere to buy lumber?
Ain't nobody been here?
So that was a story that wentalong with it for a long time.
So recently, the uh uh preacher, or whoever's over it, now

(36:02):
decides he's gonna take a stepfurther.
They take a core sample of thestaircase of the wood.
It is then the spruce or sitkafamily, but there is no other
type of tree in the world thatmatches it in the world, damn so

(36:25):
.
Who built the staircase?
You know what I mean?
Who helped them?
And and it's, it's beautiful,it's crazy.
Look, I showed you picture.
Yeah, I seen picture of it.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
it's got him and it's beautiful, it's crazy.

Zack (36:34):
Look, I showed you a picture.
Yeah, I seen a picture of it,it's got a solid bottom.
It's amazing.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Maybe the same dude.
You know what I mean.
Maybe he came to finish it,yeah.

Zack (36:40):
Oh, never thought of it that way.
Yeah, could have been.
I'm going to finish thisstaircase.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
I mean, but that's just, but it doesn't have
railing, it doesn't have nothing.

Zack (36:49):
It sits on itself.
It's like one solid tree thatthe dude carved out.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
Yeah carved out.

Zack (36:54):
Maybe he wasn't going to make that unless he died.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
He had to die to do it.

Zack (36:58):
That is final Boy.
I changed my mind about what Ido for a living.
Come back just to build thatdeck.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
I'm dead.
No, just to finish her off.

Zack (37:15):
There ain't no nails, no glue, no well, no, nothing just
floats, unexplainable.
I think there might besomething going on in this
building, oh, absolutely.
I mean, it gets so cold even inthe summertime.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
It's so cold and freaky over there on that side,
that dark side, of course, youknow, on the dark side of the
moon, over there I, I, and itsmells like death well, I was
looking at something like that,not even on purpose, but uh,
yesterday or today there wasit's like one of the unexplained
where, but the most hauntedplace or whatever in america.
Uh, it's like in kentucky andit's a bit.

(37:43):
It used to be a hospital, it waslike a sanitarium yeah yeah,
I've heard of that and it's likeby far like they made it to a
motel now or some shit.

Zack (37:50):
Yeah, it looks like a it's an old hospital I mean they
sell that therefore yeah yeahbut, and I think uh I mean, yeah
, come to chila katha, eat itloves and go stay at a haunted
hospital and there's like,there's like two ghosts or
something you better believepeople to do that shit.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
I know hey, I ain't gonna say it's not like two
presents that are like almost.
They said this one hallway.
You can roll this ball intothis room and it comes back, oh
yeah.

Zack (38:15):
Hey man, I'm going to tell you right now there's a house
in Vernon this is for real dudeand both of them tell the same
stories about what has happenedin the house and it's crazy and
it's nuts.
And he'll be looking tv andhear something and look in the

(38:36):
reflection of the tv and in thekitchen is an old lady, a young
girl and about a lady that'sabout 30, but they look like
something's just wrong.
I mean, like I'm like what he'slike.
Really you can see, turn aroundand there's nothing there.
So he started filming, puttinghis phone on record just to
catch this shit.
You know what I'm saying?
That's the thing about onrecord just to catch this shit.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
You know what I'm saying?
That's the thing about thatphone Boy.
You can catch some shit.
I'm going to tell you right now.

Zack (38:58):
And he started doing that.
So he gets up, hears somethingoutside one night.
He gets up and looks at thepeople and he doesn't see nobody
.
So what he did is he opens theblinds and takes a picture.
Doesn't stick his head out.
Bam takes a picture man.
So in the mirror on thedriver's side of his Chevrolet
pickup is a woman's face, likethe ugliest, scariest-looking

(39:23):
lady you've ever seen in yourentire life.
Looking back at him through themirror, right at him.
Okay, that's hey been sittingthere playing, playing pool in a
fork, come flying out of thekitchen across the floor hungry
are you?
it's time to.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
It's time to vacate the premises yeah, get some holy
water, do something.
But uh, you know, there's justso many unexplained things, I
think I I need to make a room sopeople can do that here yeah,
you don't remember that time weseen that man on the road like
her for sure it's raining yeah,I do remember, but you better
tell it, because I don'tremember the good as you do uh,

(40:00):
it's after me and drape.
We were in love.
I think we lived in love, butwe're visiting, probably, or?
We just came back, maybe whenwe just moved back.
I think we just moved back andit's that big rain, the, the
mirror was kind of blurry it wasbig rains.
We just poured for days.
It had like a nine-inch rainand a ten-inch rain.

Zack (40:15):
I remember that that's when it flooded.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
It was that summer and it was raining one night I
was working at State.

Zack (40:19):
Was there nails in between what I was working at State at?

Speaker 2 (40:23):
that time I think we were just going to make a drag
around 2006 or something.
We were just driving around,you know, and uh, it was just
pouring rain, we weren't there?
We weren't.
We were pretty, we were justpast the cemetery, we weren't.
We were somewhere between thecemetery and your, your dad's
house grandparent's houseremember and like it's just I
mean, you can barely see, youknow like maybe just the
headlights, not even becauseit's just pouring rain.

(40:45):
And uh, as we're going, becausewe're probably going like 50,
55, not even that fast probably,then the speed limit was that I
think, yeah, really, but uh,probably want to slow her neck
because it's raining, and thenwe're like kind of you know,
talking or fucking aroundwhatever, and then we drive by
and there's this is what I sawand we had was.
It looked like just like a kindof old-timey dude in a raincoat
and he had a lantern and he'sjust sitting there I don't

(41:05):
remember that.

Zack (41:06):
Yeah, he's doing this.
That's the night watchman, bro.
I can tell you who that is and,uh, they used to walk around
chillicothe like that I'll tellyou another story on top of this
, right here we just we stoppedlike that, like I mean, we
stopped right then and likebecause it was like did you see
what?

Speaker 2 (41:18):
and then what did you see?
What did you see?
Well, and it's like damn, youknow, there's an old man with a
hat and carrying here.

Zack (41:25):
Was he carrying it up here ?

Speaker 2 (41:26):
and he just went and he had like at his chest, I
think like right about here orhis here, and then he was just
waving, but it wasn't wavinglike stop did y'all stop and go
back and we fucking looked allover for him.
We fucking looked all over forhim.
There was no vehicle that let.
We stopped like that too.
We stopped like that, turnedaround, couldn't find him.
We looked around more, couldn'tfind him.
And it was pouring rain.

(41:46):
Who the fuck was out there inthe pouring rain?
And they weren't stop.
That's what we thought at firsttoo.
That's why we started hittingthe brakes, and that's what we
talked about too.
Well, they weren't even.

Zack (41:58):
It was like waving, like hey.
So I'm going to go ahead andadd on to this little story.
One time I was leavingChillicothe, texas, right here,
went by this hospital, which isowned by Chris Love, which owns
Love's Barbecue, by the way.
It, which is owned by ChrisLove, which owns Love's Barbecue
, by the way, it's a deliciousplace to eat, I guarantee you
you'll always come back and ringa bell, but anyway.
So I get right up here to thelot and there is a dude.

(42:20):
But there's this guy.
He's walking butt-ass naked,bro, not even thinking about
having a stitch on Old dude, andhe's got his hand like this and
he's saying his hand like thisand he's saying all is well.
And I'd recognize who it was.
Once I get up beside him I waslike it's like fucking midnight,

(42:42):
cold as fuck.
I'm like whoa.
And I wrote one day.
I said, hey, what you doing,man?
He's making my rounds.
I I said, okay, you cold.
He said it is a little chillytonight.
I was like, hey, how about youget in?
And I think you just finishedyour round, let me take you to
the house.
And I recognized who it was.
It was Stubby Rich's daddy.

(43:03):
You know Stubby's.
You know from Chilli Gather.
You know who the hell Stubby is, but anyway, it's his dad, dad
and he would live to be anancient dust.
You know, lived right behindthe elementary forever.
You know that house, rememberthat house used to be right
there.
Yeah, it's not there, no more.
It's where the, it's where thebasketball courts are.
Now he, that's what he did whenhe was younger like used to be

(43:26):
the night watchman, like walkedaround and check every door in
town and that's what he wasdoing.
But you know he's see now, youknow he thought he was doing it,
but he was doing it a whole lotdifferent than he did back in
the day he was he was completelynaked and I was like man, you
need to go to the house.
Bro, let me take you home.
And it took some talking andget him in my, my vehicle and,

(43:48):
uh, I mean, it's kind of, youknow, got to be from a small
town to put a naked dude in yourpickup.
Yeah, trying to pick him up, ohyeah, but you know, freaky
things happen, man, Justspeaking of reigning people on
the side of the road.
Me and my daughter Zoe myyoungest we're going to
Chillicothe to go to getsomething from Dairy Queen and
come back and it's likeThanksgiving or Christmas I

(44:09):
can't remember what it was, buteverybody's at the house.
So we go to town and there'sthis guy pushing a shopping cart
.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Down the road.

Zack (44:19):
Down the road and I always used to pick up hitchhikers and
take them past the farm so theydon't walk down there.
It's close enough to thehighway that people tend to.
If they break down they'll comedown to the house, whatever.
So I took him past right, sothat's what I did normally.
So I went to town, got what Iwas coming back, and coming back
it was pouring rain by the timewe were coming back and this

(44:39):
dude he's made it about 200yards maybe, and now he's got
his shirt tied around his head.
I mean, I'm talking, it's notraining a little bit, it's
raining a bunch.
Cats and dogs do so.
Zoe is like two years old,maybe three, sitting, of course,

(44:59):
you know, not in a chair,sitting standing up on the
console, you know that type ofshit.
But anyway.
So I pull over because he'slike right before the road.
I'm like I gotta get this dudepast the farm, everybody's down
there.
So I said hold on and on and Igot out of the vehicle and this
shopping cart dude.
I said okay.
I said I'll give you a ride.
My intentions were give him aride to Vernon, drop him off and

(45:21):
turn around and come back, youknow.
So jump out in the rain.
He unloads some shit out of hisshopping cart.
We drop the tailgate, put theshopping cart.
We dropped the tailgate, putthe shopping cart back there and
there's this satchel thatfolded up.
It's a leather thing thatfolded up.
And I reached down there topick that up, dude, and it it
stopped me.
It was that heavy, whatever thehell it was.

(45:41):
I don't know what it was,didn't look, but I mean talking
heavy, heavy and uh.
So he said he said I got that,I got that.
He picked it up, puts it in thedeal.
He gets, gets in and we'reriding.
He's soaking ass, wet dude.
We're unwrapping the shirt fromhis head.
My three-year-old daughter issitting right here.
I slid her over to me, you know, and I said where are you

(46:02):
coming from?
He said Amarillo.
I said where are you going?
He said I said what he said.
I said okay.
So I picked Zoe up and I movedher to the, you know, the door,
the driver's side door betweenme and the door, and this dude
is soaking wet dude.
And he looks up, he looksstraight out the window and he

(46:31):
starts shaking his head like adog and then he takes his hand
and slaps himself harder thanyou.
Watch them contest on on, youknow tiktok with a slapping
contest.
That's how hard he hit himselfand zoe looked at me and said
why he do that and I said Idon't know.
And then he did it to the otherand he slapped himself in the

(46:53):
ear.
Bro, I'm talking about gettingthe water out of his head, bro.
That's what he was doing.
He was shaking, turning and hehit himself in the ear.
I mean, like you don't want toget like a mule kicks a barn,
bro, like pow, his eyes got thisbig, so why you do that?
I was like I don't know.
I moved him over here, Ireached down and I grabbed it.
I always carried a buck knife,had a hole in it and I pulled it

(47:14):
up out of the sheath and I hadit right there.
And he slaps himself on theother side of the head towards
the glass, hits his head on theglass and looks straight back up
and goes should I, should I,should I kill him?
That just came out of thisguy's mouth.
That just slapped himselfharder than I damn sure don't
want to be slapped.
You know what I'm saying?

(47:35):
And so what did I do?
I punched it and he's sittingthere looking staring off.
I'm getting up to the rest area.
And he goes he goes no really,should I kill him Staring out
the windshield Boy?

(47:55):
I hit that exit and locked itdown.
I said get the fuck out, getout right now.
And I reached down there and Igrabbed that knife and I stuck
that knife in the damn ceilingof my truck.
I said I don't know, should you, should you kill us?
You know, get out of my truckright now, get the fuck out.
As soon as he stepped out, Itook the keys out, locked the
doors, closed the doors, droppedthat damn tailgate and I

(48:17):
guarantee you, I Hercules thatson of a bitch.
I grabbed a hold of that damnshopping cart and threw it a
good 20 foot and it hit and shitwent everywhere.
And he goes oh man, is the rideover?
I'm like, oh man, is the rideover?
I'm like, yeah, motherfucker,the ride is over.
So I called the sheriff and Isaid hey, this is what just

(48:42):
happened.
He said, okay, thank you, youknow they picked him up, took
him to the other county line,the other side, but anyway,
that's the last time I picked upa hitchhiker.
He slapped himself and thenlooked straight ahead and said
should I kill them?
And I've got my three-year-oldbeside me.
The message is here do not pickup a hitchhiker, Well at least
not with your three-year-oldyeah.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Proceed with caution.

Zack (49:04):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
This ain't no party like a PEDiddy party.
That's just crazy, man.
When Steve Harvey flees thecountry when Family Feud guy
leaves the country because hedon't want to be Family Feuding.
That's crazy dude.
This shit, that's going on, hey, hey, hey, you know, I figured

(49:24):
it out.
Hey, I figured it out.
I thought about this the otherday, you know.
I said how could a person beable to use that influence to do
this shit like he did?
Then I got to thinking man,wait a second, this has been
going on forever, bro.
Hey, meet me at the crossroads,baby.
He's the dude that meets you atthe crossroads.
So this is what you need to doSign your soul away.

(49:46):
Boom.
There it is, bro.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
That's what he is now .
He's the one dude that gotcaught he's bellsabob.
You know what I'm saying I mean, we think we don't know.
About what do we not know?

Zack (49:55):
yeah, oh, ones that don't know, used to be used to be a
joke a long time that if youwere going to be a male actor in
hollywood and make it famousthat you had a suck a dude.
Yeah, I mean, I thought thatwas just it.
Just you know that rumor wasgoing around and it's gone
around forever.
You know what I'm saying andI'm like that's crazy.
I'm not acting, shit and youhad to play as a woman well then
, all that shit happened.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Right thing that harvey weinstein oh, it was for
real.
He was making everybody say allthe common comedians, and uh
had to play a woman.

Zack (50:23):
All the comedians.
You had to be a woman in amovie and make a movie as a
woman.
Oh, mrs doubtfire, right allthat that's craziness think
about how many comedians didthat?

Speaker 2 (50:34):
so you know, robin williams, lady gaga, murphy you
know, lady gaga came out.

Zack (50:39):
I mean how?
Could how famous do you havelady gaga bipedity?
She got sexually assaulted bythem, oh yeah, you know it's
nuts dude, and the bad thingabout it is I don't know who the
fuck I can listen to anymore.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
You know, can you?

Zack (50:54):
snore, kelly.
You know, feel bad about it,like damn it.
What is he talking about?

Speaker 2 (50:58):
What Hard not to have a thought in your head.

Zack (51:01):
All right, hold up Can't not remember that it's the
remixing.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
It's some damn ghost.

Zack (51:07):
It's some damn devil, devil mama rolling that body got
every man in here you know themghosts, some of them are devils
.
Yeah, I don't know.
Oh, hey, most of them are.
I'm gonna tell you right now.
Hey, I don't.
Spirit of fear, you know.
But you know the angel of light, which is what the devil will
appear to be when he comes totalk to your ass.
He will fool you.

(51:27):
He can appear to be the angelof light.
You know he's the angel oflight.
He can, he can be whatever youneed at that point in time.
That goes back to KennethCopeland.
I tell you that story, kennethCopeland, the guy that he what's
it called when you go under,and he was his mentor.
Yeah, he got cancer, real badwhen he's old.
He started this chemo and stuff.

(51:50):
Kenneth Copeland's huge, he'slike man, blah, blah, blah, blah
, blah.
And next thing, you know, he'slike man.
I hadn't been to see him in along time.
I need to go see him.
So he went to go see him.
The preacher that showed him howto do what he does one of the
most famous people, preachersever.
And he said how are you doing?
He said I'm doing good, I'mdoing great.
He said how's your treatmentgoing?

(52:10):
He said I quit.
He said what he said, that'ssaving your life.
What do you mean?
You quit?
He said I quit because let metell you what happened the other
night.
God sent an angel.
He came down, he set the footof my bed and said hey, and he
said his name.
He said hey, you've done yourjob.

(52:36):
You brought many souls to God.
It's time for you to go toheaven and sit by me.
And he said so, hey, I quitdoing my treatment.
You know, you know, he told meI was good.
You know, and he kind of comesin.
Are you stupid.
You know he will appear to bewhatever you need at this time.
How do you know?
That's what that was?
That's just something.
Because the treatments hurt, soyou really don't want to do
them anyway.
So this is where the devildresses up as an angel and comes

(52:58):
down and says, hey, hell yeah,you're good, bro, you don't got
to do this, no more.
Hell, yeah, go ahead and die.
You know why?
Because the devil wantsanything that has value,
anything.
So if you're ever going throughsome terrible times terrible,
just think about this it couldbe because there's value in you

(53:20):
that you don't even see yet andthe devil wants anything of
value.
Maybe god has a plan in storefor me or for you or for
whatever.
That is huge, that if wereached that point, if we make
it far, that we could just blowhis world up.
You know, this podcast could gocrazy and we could just end up
having millions of people startgoing to church.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
You know what I'm saying.

Zack (53:43):
And finding God.
So we don't know that, we don'tsee that, but maybe the devil
does.
So all the bad things that'sgoing on in your life.
You might be able to contributethat to the devil, because
there's a plan in store for youthat you just don't know about
yet.
Yeah he's trying to ruin it andhe wants anything of value.
Yeah, that's how you got tobuild strength out of that

(54:06):
struggle, a guy by the name ofBill Richards.
He was the Texas Artist of theDecade and lived in Chillicothe,
texas.
He had a man, it was a shaman,it was a witch from way down
South America, had long hair, hewas dressed, it was spooky I'm
talking spooky-looking shit, I'mtalking that.
I mean he died and he left itto me, to me.

(54:37):
He died and uh, he didn't, heleft it to me or he.
He left a way for them to knowthat that was going to me right,
and I went by, he passed awayand I went over there and
there's two lawnmowers he hadand anyway he left it to, uh,
his ex-son, and I mean that hewas married to his mom a long
time ago.
So he left everything he hadnot to his own kids long time
ago.
So he left everything he hadnot to his own kids to this guy
which happened to be a highwaypatrolman.
So I get out and I go to talkto him.
I said what are you going to dowith them lawnmowers?

(54:58):
He said you want them, you canhave them.
He said I worked on them somuch about two hours.
You can start them up, you canhave them.
I fired them both up about and,uh, he got.
I said what'd you do with thatold, wooded, wooden man?
He said that freaky looking sonof a bitch.
Matter of fact, what's yourname?
I said exactly.
He said here it's yours, thereyou go.

(55:20):
So I take it to the house.
I'm talking, it's freakylooking dude.
There's not a, it's, it's a,it's a like a gargoyle, wooden
gargoyle, and it sits like thisand in indian no, cross-legged,
I've got a picture of it.
Freak you out, I mean.
And I took it and I I took ithome.
And before I took it home, uh,I went to spanish people.

(55:41):
They don't, uh, beatrice, uh,anyway, I won't say the name, so
her daddy doesn't hardly speakenglish.
I took this over there and Iwanted to ask him what it was,
because nobody could tell mewhat it was.
And I said would you come lookat something?
I bid a and he went over thereand I popped the back of that
hatchback on that Ford Explorer.

(56:02):
He said, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no and just
started walking backwards asfast as he could, went into his
house and shut the door.
I'm like, okay, okay, what doesthat got here.
So I took it from there, put iton the trailer, strapped it down
and took it to to vernon totalk to another person.
And uh, I took it to a friendof mine and I said, hey, man, I

(56:22):
want you to tell me what this is.
And he comes out and he sees it.
He said, oh, god bless.
He said where'd you get that at?
I said, man, I left it to me.
He said, oh, man, that's notgood.
I said what's it called?
He said, man, I can't rememberthe name, but if my mama was
here she would be slapping you.
And uh, what it was is theyused to put that up around
places that they didn't wantpeople to go around it.

(56:43):
I mean everybody, I meanspanish people, were scared to
death of this thing.
I mean, like, so bad a semiwouldn't even pass me.
Save it 100 yards past behindme.
I'm serious dude so uh and hesaid I said so you're scared of?
He said no, I'm not scared ofit.
And he had a little bitty sonabout three.
We're sitting there talking.
His son comes outside, jumps upon that trailer and he heard

(57:04):
him, he heard something on thetrailer.
Turn around, look, he's fixingto touch that thing.
He goes to screaming like adamn somebody going I mean like
a banshee no, no, don't touch it, don't touch it, don't touch it
.
I said I thought george k saiddon't touch it.
So I was like damn he said man,you gotta go, so time to go.
So I took that home, of course,and uh, I put it on top of the

(57:25):
girls clubhouse.
You know that treehouse I built, drilled it right there and uh,
my mom said you need to getthat, you need to get I don't
know what that.
Uh, my mom said you need to getthis, you need to get I don't
know what that is, but that'snot right, you can get it out of
here.
I said, man, that's just a damngargoyle, you know.
And uh, I, I said I set thedamn demon up there on top of my
house sitting there watchingeverything found.
The found the true, hardest waythat I mean the one thing that

(57:55):
could hurt me.
He found.
But he was sitting therewatching me for years.
And after the fact, the girls,I thought you know what, and I
had.
I thought of that and I got somad, dude, I went up there and I
took a, I took a sledgehammerup there and I hit that thing
two or three good times to knockit off the deal.
I didn't dent it fell off, hitthe ground, didn't break it.
I loaded it up, took it outthere to that road that cuts

(58:17):
between 91 and the Bald Arisesold house.
You know that road that's gotthe bridge out there, the nice
bridge on the dirt road.
Got out there, sit in themiddle of that bridge, me and
one of the twins, five gallonsof gasoline.
Five gallons of gasoline, bro.
You ever seen what five gallonsof gasoline will do?
Hey, poured five.

(58:37):
Well, about two gallons.
I was like I didn't want to getcarried away.
Then made a little trail to the,to the, to the dirt, about 15
foot, lit that bitch on fire,maybe 20 foot.
I got it on my phone video ofit.
Hey, lights up, dude, I swearto god he smiles.
Hey, doesn't turn black,doesn't burn, can't burn it.
I put all five gallons of gason that, so much it wouldn't
even char it.
I grabbed a hold of that afterit.

(58:59):
Wouldn't, hey, reach down.
After it just went out, nothingburned.
I reached down there.
I grabbed a hold of that, somuch, not hot.
Spun around in a circle and,superman, that hoe out in the
middle of that damn creek.
You know I was like fuck this,fuck this.
You know I was mad.
Yeah, came back the next day.
Guess what it's not.
In the fucking creek that sonof a bitch grew a pair of legs.
I mean, he undid his legs andwalked to fucking somebody

(59:20):
else's house, and you know, I'mnot even slightly exaggerating.
I mean, wouldn't burn Peoplescared to death of it.
But, I decided I want to put iton top of the girl's clothes.
He didn't know.
I'm just saying Be careful.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
Where we're from, you never know you never know what
you're going to get a hold of.
Oh my God, take a break, he'sgot to go pee, pee, pee.

Zack (59:44):
B-E-Z-P.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
This is the G.

Zack (59:48):
To the B, to the E, to the Z and he to the B, to the E, to
the Z, and you gotta pee.
Tonight we're gonna say goodbyefor the Be Easy podcast and we
will be talking to you soon, butuntil then, I'm Lucky, I'm Earl
, I'm Zach, we are the Be Easypodcast and we will see you

(01:00:12):
later.
I did write this one.
Well, the sun was bright ashell this morning when I opened

(01:00:45):
up the door, I looked back andglanced at the bed we once
shared, but we ain't sharing itanymore.
So I broke another seal to helpthis way I feel.

(01:01:06):
But the whiskey ain't working,no more.
Ain't working, no more.
So what can I do?
I can't drink away these blues.
I can't do this all on my own.

(01:01:26):
So I tried to count the reasonsfor her to stay, but can't get
past the reasons she wants, andher ring still lays on the
dresser to this day, a constantreminder she's gone.

(01:01:49):
So I popped another pill tohelp this way I feel.
But the pills just ain'thelping, no more.
So what can I do?
I can't drug away my blues.
I can't do this all on my own,my own.

(01:02:13):
So my mind keeps praying, causemy heart keeps breaking every
time it hears a slam of a door.
And they say in time,everything will be fine.
But the minutes go by so slow.

(01:02:34):
I said these minutes go by soslow.
Yeah, they do.
Well, there's nothing I can useTo forget the words she used

(01:03:03):
when she walked out my door,cause she looked me in the eye
and she began to cry and saidI'm sorry, I was not the drug to
keep you high and numb.

(01:03:26):
That's why my mind keepspraying and my heart keeps
breaking every time here's aslam of a door.
And they say in time,everything will be fine.
But the minutes go by so slow.

(01:03:49):
I said these minutes go by soslow.
Yes, they do, lord, they do.
Well, there's nothing I can useTo get over you.

(01:04:16):
I can't do this all on my own.
There's nothing I can use Toget over you.
I can't do this all on my own.