E-7-When the Devil Whispers, God Speaks Louder

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Zack Flynn (00:01):
And with those baby blue eyes and that smile that's
mine.
This year, well, she turnedthree.
You better grab a hold ofsomething.
Hold something, grab a hold ofyou and don't ask a question if
you can't take the truth, causeit might be a reflection of you.

(00:27):
I said it might be a reflectionOf you.

Bucky (00:40):
Alright, coming to you live from the old, abandoned
Chillicothe Hospital,chillicothe, texas.
This is the B to the E to the Zand that is Be Easy, be easy,
baby.
That's what we're here for.

Earl (00:58):
Where we're at.

Bucky (00:59):
Okay, so we're back.
So we don't know what episodewe're on, but we still don't
know what we're doing.
Three or four, we still don'teven have a name.

Zack (01:11):
BEZ was pretty cool.
You know, be easy, that'spretty cool.

Earl (01:13):
I don't know that's catchy .
I got that somebody knocking onit.

Zack (01:17):
That's pretty catchy bro.

Bucky (01:18):
That was pretty catchy.
I was like what?

Zack (01:21):
Yeah, all right, stop.

Bucky (01:22):
Collaborate and listen.
Reasons to breathe Well, that'swhy we started this, yeah.

Earl (01:27):
I know it was the first.
It was said Be easy.

Zack (01:30):
Be easy Reasons to breathe .

Bucky (01:34):
Very nice hey.

Earl (01:38):
Breezy Boyd.

Bucky (01:42):
Yeah, I don't think it has to be just be easy, be easy.
Reasons to breathe that'spretty catchy.
Be easy.
I don't think it has to be justB-E-Z, b-e-z, that's pretty
catchy.

Zack (01:48):
B-E-Z reasons to breathe.

Bucky (01:49):
But yeah, branding We've got to make sure that we have
something easy to brand.

Zack (01:53):
B-E-Z is pretty easy.
That's pretty easy right there,bro, and you can catch us every
Tuesday afternoon at 5 o'clockat Love's Steakhouse.

Bucky (02:04):
Eating your finest.

Earl (02:04):
Today's Tuesday?
Ain't it Tuesday afternoon at 5o'clock?

Zack (02:07):
at Love's Steakhouse Eating your finest appetizers.
Joe, yeah, I say it's Monday,awesome Steaks the place.
You can't beat their meat.

Earl (02:10):
I don't know how to do it.
Wow, is that applause or rain.

Zack (02:13):
It's an applause, but it's just so loud you can't tell.

Bucky (02:16):
I thought I could turn that down.

Zack (02:17):
I thought it was raining.
Well, these things will makeyou go deaf.
I promise you That'll lose yourhearing right there.

Earl (02:24):
That's that real loud thing, that was real loud,
really Hell yeah, what if thatwas mine?
It was just like that, yeah,but you already have hearing
problems.

Bucky (02:32):
Okay, so Trying not to get.
Okay yeah, so yeah, I hadsomebody say something today
about how hard it was to be abasically just to be a man these
days.
The struggles, it's a prettygood song too.

Earl (02:51):
What like modern Me.

Bucky (02:52):
Too, stuff.
Well, that's why a lot of musicwas made because of the
struggles of man.

Zack (02:57):
Have you seen the video?
To Be a man?
No Be a man.

Bucky (03:01):
Oh, it's badass, I've got to look at that.
Be a man.
Yo, it's badass, I've got tolook at that.
Be a man.
It's like super awesome, thedude's badass, who's thing's
that?

Zack (03:06):
I'm just going to look it up for you.

Bucky (03:08):
Okay, yeah, yeah, we should have the phone.
So yeah, it's just because,like we talked about before,
about growing up, you know,being a man Rub dirt on it yeah.
You're supposed to be tough andrugged and we are.

Earl (03:31):
I mean, but in different.
Well, I don't know.
People expect you to be thatSometimes we're cut off.

Bucky (03:37):
Okay, yeah, cut off yeah.

Zack (03:41):
I used to say you know we're not going to say any names
here, but I used to say, youknow, their heart didn't pump
blood.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, we kind of numb ourselvesto things we want to numb
ourselves to that goes back tohow something becomes an
addiction.

Bucky (04:00):
You're right, she's addicted.
Yeah, oh yeah, women are veryaddicted.
I mean definitely some morethan others well, there's some
better than others.

Zack (04:15):
You know some, some are addicted to, to the violence I
mean.
Some are addicted to.

Earl (04:19):
That's right, there's different things to be addicted
to.
You could be addicted toanything.

Bucky (04:24):
Anything that consumes a lot of time.

Earl (04:26):
Girls a lot of times are addicted.
What'd?
you say they're addicted toAnything you do in abundance.

Bucky (04:30):
Abundance yeah.

Earl (04:31):
Well.

Bucky (04:31):
If you overdo anything, it's probably.

Earl (04:33):
And it can't.
It could be like drama.

Zack (04:35):
Okay, so this is Just to see, oh.

Zack Flynn (04:40):
I just hope I can explain what it's like to be a
man.

Bucky (04:46):
Oh, I have heard that song.
It's a lonely.

Zack Flynn (04:48):
Yeah, I have heard that Kind of fits, and they
don't care about what you know.

Bucky (04:54):
Maybe that's why everybody's going soft.

Zack Flynn (04:55):
It's not about how you feel.
It's not about that.

Earl (04:58):
Snowflakes are soft.
Well, they're easily offended,or they're soft, they're like
not taking it well he's talkingabout the.

Zack (05:07):
There's such a high rate of suicide in men.

Bucky (05:10):
Ah yeah I that's, and I I don't know.
I know we can find plenty ofpeople that we could talk to
that, about that and how theydealt with it, or if they did
it's a common yeah, I know somepeople right now that it's a
fatal side effect.
I know a couple people that ithappened to recently.
Not real well, but yeah, wellenough.

Zack (05:33):
So I mean just to be honest with you.
Last night I woke up about 3o'clock, which I'm almost always
3.33?
.
I'm almost always awake between3 and 4.
3.33.
But I went to the bathroom andused the bathroom and just sat
there for a second smoking acigarette and it just in my head

(05:54):
, just popped in my head whykeep going?
What's left?
You know what I'm saying, so Iunderstand that's PTSD part of
it.
You know you'd be sitting thereand you smoke a cigarette Next
thing, you know you see flashesof the wreck and shit.

(06:16):
And so then you start tellingyourself you know what is there
to look forward to.

Earl (06:22):
Yeah, Well, there's kind of an ocd thing there, right, it
just happens.
If you can't help it, it'sobsessive, it happens.
Yeah, oh, yeah, regularly, uh,but you gotta careful about the
compulsive part.
There is a compulsive nature tothat With the PTSD, right, you

(06:47):
know.

Zack (06:49):
I've had everything to bring tonight, but I just didn't
bring it because I reallydidn't want to get on this
subject.
So much.
But everything that I do on anightly basis, dude, I do the
same thing.
I have stacks of drawings, dude, that are probably and it's
just their names over and over,I don't know.

Bucky (07:10):
That was OCD, but that's what you're doing to help.
It's a different focus.
Deal with that.

Zack (07:16):
It takes my mind.

Bucky (07:18):
It's just I don't know yeah it's kind of Well, it's
good, it makes ADD and OCD.
It's better than playingRussian roulette or something
like that you know, but yeahyeah, but uh, uh, yeah, it's
that.
That's the thing with theaddictions is how you deal with
them yeah, well yeah and howwell you know what the same

(07:42):
thing.

Earl (07:42):
you know what there's something thing.
You know what there's somethingabout both.
Just anything that you're about, or addictions, and it's about
yourself, and you know what itis.
It's acceptance.
You've got to accept Everythingabout it.
You've just got to accept shit.
Sometimes I don't want to.

Bucky (08:00):
You've got to accept things about yourself.

Earl (08:02):
That's right.
You don't want to you gottaaccept things about yourself.
That's right.
You don't want to, you don'taccept things about yourself
with each individual littleaspect.
I don't expect except you wantto accept reality.
Yeah, there's, there's a lot of.
That's what you know.
Acceptance is a key right ondifferent levels, I mean, but I
mean I.

Zack (08:20):
The thing is that is, I'm smart enough to know that
everything I'm doing is well,you know, is what I'm doing.

Bucky (08:25):
A distraction.

Zack (08:26):
It's like.
I know I need to accept it's alittle thing.
I know I need to move on.
There's no such thing.

Bucky (08:34):
I know.

Zack (08:36):
I know I need to probably talk to somebody besides myself.

Earl (08:39):
You know what I'm saying that's one of the reasons why
we're here.
Ain't nothing going to fix itRight now, like you said, yeah,
sharon, that day, like, does itget better?
No, no, probably becomes anykind of grief comes in waves.
Yes, it'll get new again.

Zack (09:01):
That's what the PTSD is.
Then you have the resentmentsthat flow in on your brain, the
doubt, your regrets and guilt.
Yeah, all that, that's the deal.

Earl (09:13):
What you could have done, what I should have done.
Those creep in, how do you letthem?

Zack (09:17):
take hold, creeps in like this chair, yeah you know, we
stayed out there at the farm.
I did it on purpose.
I didn't get a house in townbecause I took care of a person
here in town and I thought, wow,going to buy a house when
that's what's supposed to becoming up.
But in doing so, my kids shouldhave stayed.

(09:45):
In my head, you know my kids,which they would have never
complained, they had nothing tocomplain about, they loved the
farm, but in my head it was notgood enough.
No, shit, no, and that's a hugeresentment.
You know, Then, finally, youknow, I see the light of day and
I get the house that I'm in now.

(10:05):
They never spent not one singlenight in it.

Bucky (10:11):
Yeah, that's crazy.
Like I say, we try to do forour family.
We try to give them things,maybe that we didn't have, or
maybe things that we wanted.

Zack (10:23):
It's what you're supposed to.
Yeah, as a father, you onlywant to give your kids better
than what you had Better thanwhat you had Exactly.

Bucky (10:30):
Sometimes, no matter what you do, you don't think it's
good enough.

Earl (10:35):
Right, we live in a tough time, for that.

Bucky (10:38):
You look at your buddy or somebody you know, maybe
somebody you don't like, andthey're doing better man.
Or somebody you know, maybesomebody you don't like and
they're doing better man.
They're doing all this stuff,that's all it is.
Their kids look like they'rejust happy and flourishing and
got everything they ever wanted.
And you think I want to be likethem, Because, as a man, that's
what you want.
Or you compare yourself to it.

Earl (10:59):
However, you compete with it.

Bucky (11:03):
It's a man thing.
I mean it's a man thing.
I mean it says, it says it's ait's a father thing.

Zack (11:06):
It's.
I mean, that's what it is youalways want.
You don't want anybody to be,you don't want anyone's kids to
be better off than your kids,and it's just, it's just like
with with a truck or a vehiclelike as a man.

Bucky (11:17):
You want the shiniest rims, biggest tires right, most
jacked up truck.
Like, as men, we try to outdoyou.
I want, I want mine to be justa little bit taller than you.

Earl (11:29):
Yeah, try to outdo, I want mine shinier than yours, earl,
I know yeah, well, I may not bethe shiniest, I'm into the
outdoing, I mean that is?

Bucky (11:38):
is that is that taught to us?

Earl (11:40):
no, it's, it's a competitive nature there's a
competitive society yeah, forsure society don't help.

Bucky (11:46):
I mean, it's the same thing with when you get on
social media and facebookkeeping up with the joneses you
see all these videos.

Earl (11:52):
It's a competitive nature.
Uh, I'm gonna do more.

Bucky (11:56):
I'm gonna get more I'm gonna men and women showing off
their perfect bodies and and uh,you know trying to say that
that's the way you're supposedto look.
And of course, that brings awhole other chapter to
addictions.

Earl (12:13):
It gives certain people absolutely.

Zack (12:15):
It gives both to both types, to the type that is
overweight and out of shape, andthey start focusing on that.

Earl (12:22):
They have categories.
You know, are you stuck in one?
And they start focusing on that.
They have categories, are you?

Zack (12:24):
stuck in one.
You know it's everything.
Our society as a whole ispretty messed up.
Oh yeah, I mean especially nowbecause you know we'd have never
thought, as when we were inschool, to having, you know,
gender-friendly bathrooms andwhatever you know, yeah.

Earl (12:40):
That's the problem of the day, but it's always been messed
up.

Zack (12:43):
That's the world here's the problem of the day, but it's
always been messed up.
That's the world, here's thedeal.
There's a fine line of tote onthat, you know, because you know
I'm not prejudiced to any race,color, sexuality.
You know, I'm really not.
But do I believe that thereshould be male turned into
females in sports in schools?

Bucky (13:08):
No, absolutely not.
Or want them in the bathroomswith your family.
Yeah, going to the women'sbathroom and to me it's no
obvious.

Earl (13:12):
I don't know, I don't know it's.
To me it is, but it'scontroversial to society right
now.
I mean it's the problem of theday it's the problem of the day
no, there's no problems.

Zack Flynn (13:23):
Oh right, how about how it's gotten out?

Earl (13:25):
it's bad, oh yeah, you just can't foresee the problems
of today and what they'll betomorrow uh, there's been.

Bucky (13:33):
It'll be a prejudice against something else.

Earl (13:35):
At least it's not slavery, or you know, there's been right
, there's racism.
Now it's like the echoes ofslavery it could be taxation
without representation.

Zack (13:46):
Maybe it's turning around there's been reasons to do a lot
of things.
I mean swapping sides, you knowfor what?
Uh, racism, you know it's justgoing to be, it's good, it's
crazy, it's crazy, it's justlike you know.

Earl (13:59):
Yeah, times are it's a more modern thing.
Last the last 20, 30, 100 years.

Bucky (14:04):
Well, because in the past 10 years dramatically the
population of our country ischanging Absolutely 100%,
because you know I'm not reallypolitical and I don't keep up
with all the stuff going on.
But you know what I have hereand read about at the border is
pretty alarming.
Oh, ridiculous Current.
All the people come in.
Yeah, trying to keep up toomany current events.

Zack (14:26):
Two months ago, last month , they had 30,000 men of
military age, all these Chinese,like 8,000 or 10,000 Chinese
guys, and all these countriesthat are communist, and there
was no females, no kids, andthey were all of age military
age.
Yeah.

Bucky (14:47):
They're coming in slowly just to get us going.

Zack (14:49):
Well, just think about it, man, you already got 30,000
people here.

Earl (14:53):
Man, there was some time back they were coming in, and
then you have the EasternEuropeans.

Bucky (14:56):
Hey, you have all these men now that are women in the
country.

Zack (15:01):
Hey, where do you think these Chinese illegal immigrants
?

Earl (15:05):
are going.

Zack (15:06):
They're going to up in Oklahoma where the land that
they bought the Chinese peoplehave bought.

Bucky (15:10):
Yeah, I've read about that and that's where they're
staying.
But I did see that some I readthis and this is a true story.
It might be in this book righthere.
Some states are now making itwhere you cannot sell, cannot
sell land that's good to toforeign right yeah, that's
waiting.
It should be now, but there'sways around that.

Zack (15:32):
But I mean I mean, I'm talking mass amounts.
Yes, I know what you're talkingabout like I believe that no,
we should not sell mass amountsof farmland to anybody, because
we need that shit.

Bucky (15:42):
There ought to be that shit on a lot they did so there
is laws against that now, so,but anyway, that's a whole
nother.
How did we get on the borderwall?

Zack (15:51):
That was you, Chris.

Bucky (15:54):
Current events, but the thing is it all, it's it all,
but our country is changing.
We were talking about racism.
Our lives are changing.

Earl (16:01):
Talk about the world, the them, our lives are changing.
Uh, the world I talk about.
The world talking about.
Hey, that's you know talkingabout going back you know, go
back to the bible.
I read every day um the worldman, the world of god.
You know, the world man.
That's what it's about.
It's about our system.
Yeah, they tell you to believe,you know if?

Zack (16:18):
we just go by the law and everything, but the law is a man
I mean, if we want to getfigured by the threats that the
bible tells us, that's alreadyoccurred.
Yeah, the million man army, the, uh, when currency becomes one
and worked, you know, under oneprophecy already fulfilled
there's no that's old there'sold prophecy fulfilled.

Earl (16:35):
They were prophesying the coming of jesus and stuff and it
came true, surviving the samepeople.

Zack (16:40):
They prophesied stuff you're talking about we're we're
we kind of we kind of jumpingsubjects here, but I know, yeah,
but we're gonna have to put, doa show completely dedicated to
that, for sure, yeah you're notwrong though yeah, you're right
on for real the world to methat's.

Earl (16:55):
Hey, I'll tell you what it comes into me daily to make the
distinction between who thoughtthis shit up.
That's the whole reason thoughtthis up or did?

Zack (17:03):
is this the way the I mean that's the whole reason that I
wanted to start a podcast anywaya long time ago.
I mean because a friend of minesaid you know what you ought to
start one about.
You know religion, you know heyit's hard for me to keep it out
.

Bucky (17:16):
Get this shit Anymore.
You probably remember this.
You remember Channel 2.
That used to be here in town.

Earl (17:22):
Yeah, absolutely Okay.
So I was talking, Isn't thatstill?

Bucky (17:24):
here.
Well, I don't know.

Zack (17:26):
It was not long ago.
We're talking that satelliteTwo, three, no, that satellite's
been gone for 15 or so.
I was talking to my mom.

Earl (17:33):
I think he's making VHS tapes still, Zach.

Bucky (17:35):
And she said it's recording every service that
back in the day that her, yourmom and Darla Sherman made a
weekly Bible study that theyplayed on Channel 2.
I think so.
Yes, ask your mom about it.
My grandmother hey maybe wecould get them on to talk about

(17:57):
that.
Even called Darla, but you knowwhat my mom told me what she
said you're just carrying onsomething we started.

Earl (18:03):
Family tradition.

Zack (18:12):
I was like I mean really, that's well, we should come up
with the country, because thecookbook are just country
cousins again, completely no,well, the kkk.

Earl (18:17):
The country, that was the shit bro.
Country cousins was the shitbro I've watched.

Bucky (18:21):
You know there's videos of that.
I would love to see one.

Zack (18:25):
I bet you, james Graham's, got one.

Bucky (18:27):
Gloria Graham, I'm gonna ask her.
Yeah, you know what?

Earl (18:29):
oh, probably so.
I bet there's something around.

Bucky (18:31):
I always thought that was like coolest thing ever to go
watch that?
Yeah, of course I watchedpractice and all right, because
my mom just brought me with her.

Zack (18:41):
You know they used to call our mothers Bible thumpers.

Bucky (18:44):
She told me a little bit about that.

Zack (18:48):
Yeah.

Bucky (18:50):
What's that.
Bible thumpers yeah.

Earl (18:54):
Pushing religion on you.

Zack (18:57):
But I grew up with my mom sitting beside me at nighttime
reading the Bible.
So I mean that's the good.
I couldn't thank my mom, chrisLove's mom, susan Hopkins, you
know God rest her soul.
Lou DeGann, you know I couldn'tthank them people more because
then, you know, I wouldn't knowGod like I know Glenda Hall, I

(19:18):
wouldn't know God like I knowand wouldn't have known God like
they do.

Bucky (19:27):
There you go, there you go.

Zack (19:28):
So we may have to have them on and talk about that Shit
.
I'm down for it, Because thatwas like a podcast before the
podcast man.

Bucky (19:32):
When I was a kid I used to think Darla Sherman was hot
hey you think it?

Zack (19:34):
No, right, no, you think it, and she had a twin.

Earl (19:45):
Yeah, that's what I thought was hotter, by the way.

Bucky (19:47):
Who Richard Her husband?

Earl (19:48):
Oh man, the sister's husband looked just like Pete
Rose bro.
I don't know if I remember him.

Bucky (19:50):
No, yeah, but anyway, yeah, that was a.
She told me that she's likeMike.
That was a podcast before thepodcast.

Earl (19:59):
Well, it's an inspiration for the podcast the original.

Zack Flynn (20:02):
Right, oh geez.

Bucky (20:02):
I didn't even tell her anything about it just not that
long ago.
Oh, your mom's good people.
She was telling me about someof the stuff she dealt with here
in Chilicothe, so we'redefinitely going to have her on
about that, absolutely.
She still says people.

Earl (20:21):
In Chilicothe or a lot of places.

Bucky (20:22):
See her and just.

Earl (20:24):
Well, yeah, okay, she still sees, still give her a lot
of places see her.
And just well, yeah, okay, shestill give her a hard time,
people, she's still saying,because she was so religious
they don't say shit, but man,that's just how you know what I
mean.

Bucky (20:33):
Look at you funny.

Zack (20:33):
Yeah, there you go let me find out who that is you know,
that's what matters, I mean, butit does to me.
You know it's it shouldn't, itshould matter.
But you know, when it comes toyour mom, your mom it doesn't
matter if it's your mom, yourmom or my mom, If somebody
messes with our mothers.
They're in trouble.
I swear to God, some of themare probably crazy.

Earl (20:52):
Hey, I'll tell you a story .
I was at United in Vernon so Iworked over there and there was
two or three managers there orwhatever.
And I mean sometimes you dealwith bullshit, like some dude
talks to a girl, that's a highschool girl, that's you know
sack, or something not, and theycome in, say hey, that dude was
creepy, he asked for my numberor something or try to give me
this, and you have to go outlike hey, dude, hey, you can't

(21:15):
do that shit no more.
Just if you still want to comehere, don't do that shit no more
, or we'll have to call the copsand have you, I can have you.
You banned, don't make me youknow, shit like that.
Anyway, so one day, broaddaylight, regular weekday, and
my mom's in there, she comes,you know, like once a week when
I was in Vernon easy, and saysthis dude creeped me out.

(21:37):
He comes up behind me and saysyou know, it was a pleasure
walking in behind you ma'am Wow.
Yeah, walking in behind you,ma'am, and all you know.
Wow, yeah, so that's your mom.
Yeah, so I have to saysomething.
Yeah, I and I do.
Yeah, I'm a little more madthan I would just be like, dude,
you can't do that.
I'm like, hey, did you saysomething to a lady on the way

(21:59):
in here?
Yeah, I had to say I was likeyou know, you can't do that and
I was fucking pissed.
It's like you can't do thatanymore and you're like do you
ever think that might besomething?
I've got three daughters.

Zack (22:11):
You know what that was my mom, but his look changed I mean
, let me throw this in but letme throw this in on top of what
you're saying now.
Think about this what do youthink mr bird would have done?

Earl (22:24):
he, might have been hotter , you think so?

Zack (22:27):
Or do you think well, that's what I've been thinking
for years.
You know, I don't know what mydad would do.
My dad would say well, you know, hey.
Yeah, some people take it morepersonal than others and it was
already something like somebodycomes to you and takes it.

Earl (22:41):
You know what, when you're in the store, you're already
going to take a complaint andpeople expect you to do
something, but your mom said itcreeped her out.
That's when she came.
Like I said yes, there was moreto it.
Like I said, it was already.

Zack (22:52):
There was more to it.
She should have laughed it off.
She said you should have heardwhat he said, Then it would have
been different and it was acreepy little old dude.

Bucky (23:00):
So we may have our moms on at some point too, that's
cool yeah, for different reasons.
I don't think they discuss ouraddictions?

Earl (23:07):
Maybe not that.

Zack (23:08):
I mean, I've heard it all my mom.
She didn't bite her tongueabout when it came to addictions
.
She's like you know if you gota little more sleep, or you know
yeah she'll tell you straightup she has stories too.
I mean, these are forentertainment purposes only only
only yeah, yeah, some storiesthat I don't know.

Earl (23:28):
They remember shit you don't or I don't know a
different way making the biblestudy deal.

Bucky (23:33):
I kind of do, but I was you had to be.

Zack (23:36):
You remember all the bible studies and stuff we did with
andy hurst, right, yeah, andkent.
What was his name?
Kent or Ken?
The guy that lived over therein my grandpa, our house which
is across the tracks which he,my grandpa, gave to the Perez's.

Bucky (23:50):
The two story with the basement remember he stayed in
the basement yeah, ken the bigdude, he was a big, he was the
youth minister, big dude, yeah,that was right before Andy Hurst
, I believe, which Andy Hurstchanged Chillicothe.

Zack (24:03):
Yeah, he did.
I mean he did, he brought abunch of kids in.
He brought.

Bucky (24:09):
He did it with basketball .

Zack (24:11):
Yeah, and football no, he did.

Bucky (24:12):
Like he got us together and he'd play, like we'd play.
He'd be right there in themiddle, oh, and he was a good
athlete.
He was damn good, oh he got andwe played at the church a lot.
Oh yeah, that's how he got ustogether.

Zack (24:25):
Oh man, I remember we were in.

Bucky (24:27):
Remember when we went to Colorado Springs, mm-hmm,
colorado City, I don't rememberwhere One of the two I just
remember it was badass we wentwhite, we went Whitewater
rafting.

Zack (24:36):
Was that me?
Was that us that jumped in atthe end?
It so cold.
We begged the whole time dude,and we were stunned for like 40
yards, bro, like this Frozen.

Bucky (24:46):
He said I told you you don't want to jump in so cold
man.
Oh, but it was hot outside,though.

Zack (24:51):
That was a good time, it was fun, it was very fun, but we
were playing football.
Remember, we were playingfootball out there, and I can't
remember exactly who it wasCraig Tidmore one of the big
kids, craig, was there.

Bucky (25:04):
I do remember that.

Zack (25:05):
And he lined up across from me.
We were just, you know, doingflag and he came up and he hit
me and knocked me up off my feetonto my back and Andy Hurst
liked to have lost it.
Oh oh, he lined.
He grabbed Craig and lined himback up, bro.
He said now do that to me ohyeah, yeah, he was very upset.
Of course you know me and Andyhave been friends for a long

(25:26):
time.

Bucky (25:26):
We still are.

Zack (25:26):
Andy was cool as hell.

Bucky (25:28):
I always loved him.

Zack (25:29):
Yeah, you know, Andy was the preacher that I was telling
you about.

Bucky (25:33):
Yeah, I know that's the first time I'd seen him at the
funeral.

Zack (25:36):
You know what?
And I wrote a prayer down forhim because he said he he was
going to officiate it but he hadto be in Louisiana.
So he flew back and came inright then, I didn't know that.
But I wrote a prayer down forhim to say and I never gave it
to him and what he said was justdamn near exactly what I was

(25:58):
going to say anyway.
The point of the whole thing wasthe whole reason that I wanted
everyone there like it was wasbecause if we could get, or if
this accident could get just onekid or one parent to start

(26:19):
talking to their kids about Godand you get one person to
believe, it could be a dominoeffect or just save that one
person.
So that was the whole point ofthe service.
That's what the whole point wasabout.
And there was like 2 000 peoplethere.
Yeah, there was.

(26:39):
I had guest books right signingbooks, two full signing books.
So how many pages are insigning books?
There was over 1500 people forsure.
Yeah, it was crazy.
Did you go you?
were there were you there?
Yeah, no, there's a bunch ofpeople that didn't go a bit that
I I thought I'd see

Bucky (27:00):
yeah, you're right, a lot of people didn't a lot of
people couldn't take that like Isaid, we started from the very
first.
It's how you deal with things.
Sometimes we don't deal withthings.

Zack (27:09):
But yeah, it was a be easy ride.

Bucky (27:11):
I'm just telling you Fishing rod.

Zack (27:13):
There's all sorts of things that could go with it,
you know we have kind of we are,so we jump from topic to topic.

Bucky (27:22):
That's why you got to edit, nah, I don't even know
about editing.
I don't know either.
Maybe some names here and there.

Zack (27:30):
Oh yeah, Maybe not.
We started this aboutaddictions and now we're on to
God, but it's all intertwined.
It is all Exactly.

Earl (27:41):
If you have an addiction.

Bucky (27:42):
You better find God.
Yeah you're right, because Goddon't, he's not in control of
them addictions.
Oh, no, no, no.
So if you don't find him, bro,you're going down the dark, dark
path.
Remember the path, bro?
You wasn't here that day.
Me and Zach talked about thepath and how God leads us down
the path, the brick, nice,lighted path.

(28:06):
But there's always another paththat goes off to the side that's
dark and you don't see it thatway but yeah, you know, it's
like that book that you know youdon't see it because you're
like what's down that path, likeyou're just curious, as we're
curious people probably soeverybody, you know some people.

Zack (28:19):
One of the most aggravating things that I've
heard, and I've always felt thisway, is that, okay, so my
girl's got in a wreck and theyboth died.
Is someone to come up to me andsay that was God's will?
That's such bullshit.
That's not God's will at all,that God did not intend.
God did not want them to die.
But the thing is, god knowsyour beginning and your ending

(28:40):
date.
Yes, we know this, and he didall sorts of things months in
advance to help us with what wasgoing to happen, and I'll tell
you that later.
But uh, but the thing is is, isnot?
You know?
They say god giveth and godtaketh away.
That's bullshit.
God giveth and the devil takethaway, or you throw it away, but
uh, it's.
There's no such thing.
God gives you your own mind tomake decisions of whether or not

(29:05):
you want to believe in him, thepath you want to take and what
you want to do.
He gives you your own will, andeverything that we choose in
our life leads to the end of ourstory.

Bucky (29:15):
Yes, so it's like that he knows your end.

Zack (29:18):
It's like the book back in the day.
You know, we used to have booksin school that we could read
and it had four or fivedifferent endings.
You just had to pick one.
You remember those.

Earl (29:27):
There's some point before you get to the end and that's
what it is, bro.

Zack (29:31):
God gives you your own will and he gives you paths you
can take.
You choose which path you wantto take.
It could be the dark one, itcould be the bright one.

Earl (29:39):
Or it could be in between.
You don't know.
You're arrogant to think youknow God's will for you,
whatever it is for those youthought.

Bucky (29:50):
Well, the key is to stay on the path, the righteous path.

Earl (29:53):
The right path.
That's what's hard.
That's what's hard.
No, the righteous path is whatit's more than hard.
What's the path of therighteous man?
I could look that up.
I know what that is, but it'sbeset on what I wrote, a.
You know what?
The passage, ezekiel.
Look that up, it's beset onwhat is it who does evil?

(30:17):
Evil in the world is what.
Who is it from?
You know what evil is.
No, what is evil?

Zack (30:23):
Evil, evil is.

Earl (30:28):
Only done by man.

Zack (30:30):
Not only done by man.

Earl (30:31):
It's influenced.
Who does evil?

Zack (30:35):
It's not only done by man.
Animals do evil.
Do what Do animals have theintent to do?
Evil, certainly.

Earl (30:42):
I don't know.
It's like a rabid dog.

Zack (30:45):
Yeah, what the intent.

Earl (30:47):
You're not entirely.
I think I know it's theirinstinct.

Zack (30:50):
Yes, but I think people have that intent.

Earl (30:53):
There's like malignance or neglect.

Bucky (30:56):
Intent and neglect are two different things, you think.
When they're hunting people,they're like I just want to kill
them.

Zack (31:01):
They're like I just want to kill them.
They just want to kill them, orI'm hungry.
No, they just want to kill them, absolutely.

Earl (31:05):
I don't know.

Zack (31:06):
There are times.

Earl (31:08):
Really.
You're right, there are timesanimals do, so that's evil.

Zack (31:13):
Okay, so here's the deal.
I don't know.
You know, here's the thingright here.
I wouldn't claim that.
The devil can use anything thathe wants.

Earl (31:21):
Sure, you're right, the devil okay, Animals yeah.

Zack (31:24):
So the devil?
People picture the devil asthis ugly dude with horns on his
head.
You know red and bullshit likethat, no, but Beelzebub, you
know the devil.

Earl (31:35):
He was the most beautiful angel.
He was the angel of music.

Zack (31:39):
He was vain because he was the most beautiful angel.
He supposedly had pipesprotruding from his body that
played music.
But here's the deal when hecomes to you people, here's what
y'all need to know.
Everyone needs to know this.
When he comes to you, he comesto you as what they say is the
angel of light, which meanswhatever that you need in that

(31:59):
second is what he's going toappear to be.
And don't let him confuse you,because, okay, there's a story
about one of the most famouspreachers.
I'm going to leave names out ofit.
The guy that got him startedinto preaching was obviously a
badass, because this is one ofthe most famous people there is,
and he had gotten cancer andwas taking radiation treatment

(32:20):
back in the day and he thoughtto himself right after preaching
.
One day he said I need to goand see this guy because I need
to check up on him and see howhe's doing.
So he does, and when he getsthere, he asked him how he's
doing.
He said oh, I'm doing great.
He said how's your treatmentscoming?
He said I'm not takingtreatments, no more.

(32:42):
He said why?
He said well, you know, a weekago not in a dream, but a week
ago, god sent an angel andvisited me and told me that I
don't need to be taking mytreatments.
I have brought enough souls tothe Lord that God is ready for
me to be by his side.
So just go ahead and stoptaking my treatments and just

(33:03):
let you know.
Nature take effect.
And the guy said immediately hesaid are you stupid?
He said you know, you're theone that taught me.
You know that the devil willcome to you as anything.
You need the angel of light.
So do you really think that wasan angel sitting at the foot of
your bed telling you to goahead and die, yeah, or do you

(33:24):
think that was the devil?
Because the devil sees anythingof value he wants.
You know it's a whole we canstart talking about the story of
Job and all that good stuff.
You know that's the war betweenworlds.
You know That's— the warbetween worlds.
You know I've been between twoworlds.
That's the best part of the.

(33:44):
You know, job, god and the sonsof God are sitting there
waiting for Beelzebub to getback from wherever he's at and
when he walks in.
Basically, this is how I see itin my head.
You know, when he walks in, godlooks at him and says when have
you been?

(34:04):
He said I've been between twoworlds trying to destroy man, so
evil is everywhere.
It's in the world of man.
The devil will do anything ittakes.
If he sees value to God in you,he will try to destroy you.

Bucky (34:21):
So, now that we're doing this podcast and we're trying to
help people, whether that beemotionally, spiritually,
physically I don't know if wecan help people physically,
you're right.
I mean, I don't know the thingsthat destroy people.

Earl (34:36):
Like you said, addiction, those things that destroy people
loss yeah trauma trauma,addiction, all that destroys
people destroys you

Zack (34:48):
yeah, destroys people it does from the inside out.
Yeah, yeah and you betterbelieve that he's going to jump
on your shoulder when you have aloss like mine, when he's not
going to let up but also when,when he gets you to your lowest
point, he thinks he's got you,but then when you get to a good
point that's when he really islike okay, I've got to knock him

(35:09):
down.
You know, I've discovered that Idon't know that I've reached my
lowest point yet.
Well, maybe not, maybe not, Ihope not Because, man, if I
started telling the story that'sa whole other show man, but
it's very important for me totell that.
Oh, that's going to get there,but yes, yes.
But the devil jumps on you.

(35:30):
I don't think you're ready forthat yet.
And he stays on you and hewhispers in your ear hey, man,
she's hot, or hey, you ought tohire her.
She's hot, you know, you knowwhat I'm saying or, or you know,
or to me, you know, or it's thesame thing.
Oh man, man, don't you thinkthat you should?

(35:50):
Just you know, if you did somedrugs, you might just be able to
forget all this you know it's.

Bucky (35:55):
Yeah, you drink that whole bottle of vodka.

Zack (35:58):
Oh, he's remember he's almost got me there.

Bucky (36:00):
You know, I mean I'm not lying to you, but I mean hey, he
uses whatever you will, andthat's the thing that day.
I had to tell him.

Zack (36:07):
last night, you got to do it again the next day and that's
why I started when I startedearlier, when I said I sit there
about three o'clock in themorning and I was sitting there
thinking why keep going and sitthere?
And I started to cry.
Of course you know which.

(36:27):
That's a normal thing.
I cry all the time now.
But I sit there and I turnedand looked at myself in the
mirror and I said to myself youknow what Devil?
Get away from me.
You're not welcome in my house.
I am the son of God.
You know I am one of hischildren.
You have no power over me andI've said this same thing for
years.
You know, if I'm in a situationwhere I feel like it's out of
control and I need it to be gone, I mean you can make it go away

(36:50):
.
You can make the things in yourhouse stop making noise.
You know you can make thethings, the shadows you see, the
things you hear.
There's lots of power that Godgives you that you don't know
about, probably.
You know, if you tell them toleave, they have to leave and
people don't believe that.
And I can tell you stories wherea good friend of mine, roger

(37:14):
Smithson he don't care if I usehis name or not, he said when I
first went over there.
He said man, I'm going to warnyou.
He said man, weird thingshappen around here, he said,
especially at 333.
I said you know what?
That is right.
He said well, what's that?
He said.
I said that's the witching hour, bro.

(37:36):
He's like what I was like.
Yeah, man.
He said man, he's had pictures.
Pictures used to slide out ofthe frame and land and stay
stood up, and one was a pictureof his friend that committed
suicide and he used to hearthings.
And he told me about this.
We started a band, we wereplaying music and one night,

(37:57):
dude, it was late, bro, and itsounded like somebody.
You think I kidding?
I'm not kidding, I'm notlaughing, but I know, I'm just
saying yeah hey man, it soundedlike somebody took a boat chain,
bro, and threw it over the topof that house then started to
pull it off.
I mean talking, the floormoving, bro.
You think I'm joking, I'm not.
And I'd immediately.

(38:17):
I immediately turned and lookedat the clock and it was 333.
And I told him, I said, roger,you can make this stop.
And I told him what to do andwhat to say, what to pray and
what to tell Make them leave.
But let me warn you, if youopen that door again, they come
back sevenfold, seven timesstronger than they were.

(38:38):
So say, if there's one, youkick him out.
Next time you open that door,seven, okay, then you kick them
out next time you open that door.
Seven, what's seven times seven?
What's seven times 49, 500?
And what?
521, five, whatever it is.
What is seven times that?
Yeah, that's only four times.

(38:59):
See what I'm saying.
So people like us that all ourlives we've been around religion
and we know this and I'vekicked many out.
So we're at, they're cominglike in groves, bro, you're
right.
So they don't like us as it is.
They don't like our parents.
Uh, I don't know.

(39:22):
This is how I believe and to methis is the only way there is.
So I'm sorry if you havedifferent beliefs, but uh, man,
the devil is dangerous, bro, andthe best thing that he's ever
done is make people believe thathe does not exist, because if
he he doesn't exist, then Goddoesn't exist.
Yeah Right, I mean you got theshow Lucifer, where he's good

(39:44):
looking and he's really cool andhe's trying to make himself
better.
That's bullshit.

Earl (39:50):
Yeah.

Zack (39:50):
You know the devil wants his name yelled high up mountain
, just like they yell God's name.

Bucky (39:55):
Yeah, that's where we're at right now.
We're trying to take God out ofeverything we do.
They took over our schools.

Earl (40:02):
They took over that's why this society will crash.

Zack Flynn (40:06):
That's why we're going down.

Earl (40:06):
That's why, even after that, I don't know.

Zack (40:10):
I mean, that's why addictions are worse.

Earl (40:11):
I mean it's getting down.
Well, it's not like there'smore of them.

Bucky (40:14):
People are worse, like maybe there is.

Earl (40:16):
That's why people are worse because, just think about
you know.

Zack (40:20):
You hear about the kids.
You hear about the kid thatescaped after being held
underneath the bed for like 18years, or in a hole in the house
, and just think about that onceyou think about this.
That's just the ones you heardof.

Earl (40:32):
Imagine how many there really are they uh, today on the
news there was something aboutin chicago, no, in chic.
They went in this house wherethey found somebody that died,
an old man, and they startedfinding all this other shit in
his basement once he died and hewas like a weirdo.
That was to himself andsuspicious.

Zack (40:51):
He'd been collecting folks in the basement.
A couple years ago, that girlwas literally held underneath a
bed for 18 years.

Earl (40:58):
Yeah.

Bucky (40:59):
And she finally escaped.
That's just crazy.
Underneath a bed for 18 years,yeah, and she finally escaped.

Zack (41:01):
That's just crazy.
Under the bed, bro, not under,like.
I'm not talking about in thebasement under the bed, I'm
talking about under the bed bro.

Bucky (41:07):
People are.
Hey, yeah, people are crazy too, and that's you know.
Sometimes men will, maybe theydon't know what they're doing.
I don't know.

Zack (41:17):
And that's why do you think God cleansed the world
once already?

Earl (41:20):
Yeah, like I said, that's society.
Hey, there's still like a.
Okay, this is where we go.
There was a whatever.
There's been societies before.

Zack (41:30):
Yeah absolutely hey, just because you're talking about,
because the.

Earl (41:34):
Bible says God made.

Zack (41:35):
Adam Okay.
Because the Bible says God madeAdam okay does not mean that he
was the first thing that Godmade.
It said God made Adam as inlikeness of himself.
Okay, we already know just byreading the Bible.
When Cain killed Abel, he toldCain to go to the land of Nod.
And you will survive there, youwill prosper, but if you stay

(41:56):
here you'll die.
There was already people there,bro.

Earl (42:00):
And.

Bucky (42:00):
Cain was one of.

Zack (42:01):
Adam's kids, bro.
So you see what I'm saying.

Earl (42:02):
Yeah, there was other people there was already other
people here.

Zack (42:05):
There was the seven ancient wonders of the world,
you better believe were made bythe Nephilim, which the Nehaba
Elohim, you know, the watchers,that is, the angels that got
cast to the face of the earth.
All the seven ancient wondersof the world the statue of Zeus
over the bay, the lighthouse,all the seven ancient wonders

(42:28):
you better believe those werebuilt by angels that were cast
to the face of the earth.
Greek mythology, they call itmythology, but people back then
didn't have news, they didn'thave radio, they didn't have
radio, they didn't have comicbooks, facebook.
What they believed in isbecause that was seen, they saw
that.
So you better believe thatGreek mythology holds true, not

(42:51):
all of it, but parts of it.
You better believe theyworshiped those people because
they saw that.
They didn't just make it upbecause they needed somebody to
worship.

Earl (43:01):
Right believe they worshipped those people because
they saw that they didn't justmake it up because they needed
somebody to worship.
Yeah, there's stories thatcarried on before written
language.
People told these storiesbefore they ever wrote them down
.
The Zeuses, the.

Zack (43:10):
Poseidons, all that.
You better believe that theyexisted at one point in time,
and that's the ones that isgoing to be either the Nephilim.
That's going to be the Genesischapter verse 6.
I'm pretty sure that's what itis.
It says that the Nehobah,elohim, could not resist the
daughters of the sons of man.
Therefore, they went into them,and what came from that were
the great warriors of old,that's your Hercules, that's all

(43:35):
the giants that walked theearth.
They were offspring of angelsand females, because god gave
them the domain so they couldmarry anybody they wanted.
You know, they said that's it's.
It's a deep story, yeah yeah,there's, you better believe.
Giants walked the face of theearth 2014.
An 18-foot skeleton was foundin seymour, texas.

(43:56):
Man there was more giants thanthose yeah.

Earl (44:01):
You were talking about watchers and things like that.
The watchers, that's what theycall the angels.

Zack (44:06):
Angels and demons and things like that.
They're chained to the face ofthe earth.
They'll never die, so youbetter believe they're still
here.

Earl (44:13):
Yeah, you're right, there's times they're more seen
than others.
All of them are.
Yeah, hey, you know what?
we're talking about and there'sa final talking about.

Zack (44:22):
The final thing is the light versus dark that's it like
this what the war that's goingon, it's good versus evil.

Earl (44:29):
That's what it says.

Zack (44:30):
There's light versus dark, but you know, it's a man I I
believe, and the thing is I'm somad at God but if I could start
talking about God, I'd getexcited.
Yeah, but I'm still getting madat God.
That's the devil saying.
Hey, you should be mad at Godbecause this is what he did.

Bucky (44:49):
Because you're actually showing some progress.
That's what he did.

Earl (44:53):
He dragged you back down.

Bucky (44:55):
They want you to get back up there, closer to God.

Zack (44:57):
I mean shit, the stuff that's happened where the girls
had the wreck, then the guy, thehitchhiker we're getting over
it.
Then the hitchhiker decided hewanted to commit suicide.
He goes and looks at thecrosses and just steps out in
front of a semi right there.
You know, shit like that justdon't happen.
That's not coincidence, no, youbelieve that's coincidence.
You're insane as the dude thatstepped stepped out in front of
the sun.

Bucky (45:17):
He thought that was a good idea.

Zack Flynn (45:19):
But you know, you know what it was.

Bucky (45:21):
Life's pressures was on him.
We don't know what they were,how bad they were, obviously.

Zack (45:27):
You know, he was going to commit suicide and the devil
said hey, I got a perfect placefor you.
I want you to walk 15 miles, oractually 10 miles, it's like
then do it.

Earl (45:35):
Snudge them off the curb.
They're going to step outanyway.
You're going to do it anyway.
Let's just tell you where to doit this guy's getting a little
too.

Zack (45:44):
He's starting to make his way back up.
There's too many things thathe's seeing that you know.
That goes back to the value ofthings that the devil wants.
Who knows what God has in planfor you?
Chris, you know, you, earl orme how do you get there?
How do you get there?
The plan may be so huge that wenot even see it yet.
You don't.

Earl (46:05):
Yeah you don't see it usually.

Bucky (46:06):
I feel it.

Zack (46:06):
I felt it for years.
I asked for him to give me asign and he gave me a sign
within 30 seconds.
How many times in your lifehave you asked God for something
and he answered immediately?
Not ever, ever, very rare.
I asked him to.
I said just give me a sign,make a candle flicker and.
And what happened?
Right after I asked that, I wasin church and what happened?
But as soon as I said that, thetelephone starts ringing behind

(46:29):
me and I turn around andeverybody's looking, everybody
like whose phone's that?
and I said I said to myself.
I said, no, god, that's just acoincidence.
But I just said, just give me asign, make the candles flicker.
And I turned around and Ilooked and I just lit these
candles because you know, it'sthe service of the Christmas Eve
service and the top candle thatrepresents Jesus was going.
And then it just stopped.

(46:53):
I mean that's what I asked for,yeah, but what did I do?

Earl (46:58):
The nod.
I didn't do what I asked for,yeah, but what did I do?
Denied?

Zack (47:02):
I didn't do what I was supposed to do.
But I don't know exactly whatthat is, but I know what it is.
I do that's what I'm saying.

Earl (47:11):
You denied it, but I didn't do it.

Zack (47:13):
You don't never, ever not listen to God when he tells you
to do something.
You do it.

Bucky (47:21):
I feel like he tells me to do stuff.
That maybe Because I've beenpraying for many years now to
just lead me to where I need tobe.
That was my prayer.
I didn't ask for specifics, Ididn't ask for things.
I just't ask for things.
I just said, God, I'm lost andI need some direction.

(47:46):
So lead me to where I need tobe.
Strengthen the wisdom.

Earl (47:51):
Well, you need the strength to get there and the
wisdom to know what it is.

Bucky (47:55):
I'm where I'm at right now.
This is where I'm at Right Now,phil.

Zack (48:02):
He's led me to this abandoned hospital all back well
, you don't see, like I don'tsee the things that our mamas
were trying to do?

Earl (48:09):
you don't see the path, you don't see the path.

Bucky (48:11):
No, I didn't ask to see.

Earl (48:12):
Yeah you don't see the path, I guess I should ask, say
along the way, show me the path.

Zack (48:17):
I don't know, know Do you already have the feeling of what
it is right now, what it isthat he's trying to get you to
do.

Earl (48:23):
Well, no.

Zack (48:25):
No, but you feel you're on a path.
Why'd you decide to do apodcast?

Bucky (48:29):
To help my fellow brothers, okay.

Earl (48:33):
We're never going to see the path we're on, you know.

Zack (48:38):
I don't know that I believe in that why?

Earl (48:40):
you're never gonna see the path we're on.
It's always your path you're.
Maybe that's me.
I see a lot of other paths do.

Bucky (48:48):
You don't see my own.
You're supposed to go past thatone do you know what you're
supposed to be doing?

Zack (48:52):
do you know what you're supposed to be?
Doing feel it really do.

Bucky (48:55):
You know, I'm not saying that you do it, but do you know
what you should do?

Zack (48:58):
I feel like I should be bringing people closer to yeah
you're right, and that's athat's a big part of my life.
I mean, even during myaddiction, that's a bit was a
big part of my life.
I mean just saying I mean I'venever stopped 100%,
wholeheartedly believing God.

Bucky (49:14):
Ultimately, I mean, that's what he tells us.

Zack (49:16):
Yeah, ultimately, when the candles blew or was flickering,
my brother said I told mybrother about it.
I said I got to tell you thison the way out.
I told him.
He said many are called.
If you're chosen, You're right,you know what that means.
Yeah, Many hear the calling.

Bucky (49:30):
But they don't but few people are actually chosen for
the calling.

Earl (49:35):
That's easy numbers, Like that's easy numbers like we were
talking about in the world.
What do people believe and howmany people live by?

Zack (49:43):
that.

Bucky (49:43):
That's why he chose.

Zack (49:44):
Moses.
You know he chose Moses for areason.
Moses was a Jew that was foundin the river when they were
killing our firstborn by whatthey called, say, the Pharaoh's
daughter, knowing that he couldgo and say hey, I want you to
set my people free.

(50:04):
And the pharaoh just wouldn'tkill him because he was one of
his daughter's kids, becausethey raised him as his own, so
they knew he couldn't just dothat, you know, and people argue
about which pharaoh it was.
You know, some people say itwas the uh Ramsey's, the great
Ramsey's, the second, somepeople say it's another one, but
uh.
But here's the thing.

(50:25):
It happened.
God chose him.
God told him when he went to,when God went to him, he told
him.
He said hey, Moses, you're,you're supposed to be doing
bigger things than what you'redoing right now.
He said this is what I want youto do.
He said but I'm just a mereshepherd.
He said I want you to take yourstaff, throw it on the ground.
So he did.
It became a snake and scaredthe shit out of him and he ran

(50:49):
from it.
He said I want you to pick itback up.
He said no.
He said I'm just a shepherd.
He said no.
He said I'm just a shepherd.
He said pick it back up.
So when he finally got thefaith to pick it back up and he
did it became a staff again, andthat was one of the things that
he told.
When he went and told thePharaoh to let his people go, he

(51:10):
took his staff.
He said I want you to take yourstaff After you tell him this.
I want you to throw it in themiddle of the floor.
And when you throw it in themiddle of the floor it's going
to become a snake.
So that's what he did.
He threw that staff in themiddle of the floor.
You know what the Pharaoh'spriest did?
He threw their staff in themiddle of the floor too.
Guess what they did?
Turned to snakes too.
You know they were alreadykilling firstborn thousands of

(51:38):
years before Jesus ever even gothere.
Yeah, because they knew theMessiah was coming.
So the same people that toldthem that the Messiah was coming
to kill all your firstborn isthe same people that gave those
priests the power to turn theirstaffs into snakes.
You know it wasn't God.
Yeah, god didn't warn them that.
You know my son's going to beborn here, you know.

(51:58):
So let's you know it was thedevil.
I mean, he was told.
You know the devil, just thedevil.
All the problems, all ouraddictions, all of it.
Okay, you're just a man andthat's what men do.
That's how men feel they'redriven.
It's their nature.

Bucky (52:19):
nature, you know, it's uh yeah all that all that we know
what to do what not to do?

Zack (52:28):
but the people that fucking.
When the person that says hey,do this anyway, let's do this
anyway, that looks like fun,take that smoke, that drink that
.
That looks like Taste that.
Look how much fun that is, lookhow good times they're having.
You know, do that, do that, dothat.
You know, she's never going toknow.
Do that, do that, do that.

(52:48):
You know that's the devil, bro.

Bucky (52:53):
Yeah, and it's not an excuse to do the thing sometimes
.

Zack (52:56):
Absolutely not, bro.

Bucky (52:57):
You can't blame it on the devil excuse to do the things
sometimes absolutely not, bro.

Zack (53:01):
You can't blame it on the devil, I mean you can't I mean,
but it's the truth, yeah, yeah,yes, it is the truth but you
can't use that as your excuse,because god also says on the
other side, he also says hey,you know, you're not supposed to
be doing that that's temptation.

Bucky (53:11):
He gives you all the signs too.
It's the deceit, and that's ohit's, it's the eating the apple,
bro.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
We were destined.

Earl (53:21):
This is the difference between deceit and knowledge,
it's how it's how he made us,and you know, do you know?

Bucky (53:30):
he made it so hard.

Zack (53:31):
Yeah, you know, you're just you're just babbling, chris
, you're just babbling.
You know where babbling camefrom, babylon bro.
You know why babbling came fromabout was because the, the king
at the time, decided he wasgoing to be able to stairway to
heaven.
And he was getting higher andhigher and higher, and and he
was just cocky and he was vainand god says, okay, hey, you

(53:54):
went one brick too far and hesmited them, confusing them all,
breaking them into differentlanguages.
They couldn't understand eachother, and the ones that could
understand each other broke offand got with each other because
they couldn't understand it.
So it became, you know that'swhere yeah, different tribes
separate separate.
That's where babbling comesfrom and do you think the the

(54:16):
term babbling they couldn'tcommunicate?

Earl (54:18):
do you't communicate?
Do you think that?

Zack (54:20):
came from a story from the Bible.
Oh, you're just babbling.
Somebody just made that up.

Earl (54:24):
It's complicated, it's not complicated, but it's a little
more than that we choose ourkids media chooses for us,
whoever it may be.

Zack (54:32):
They cover our eyes, they put the wool over our heads.
They don't want you to seewhat's really there and what's
not really there.
And the thing is is they havegiven us distractions, so many
distractions to keep us fromrighteousness that we see daily,
constantly that everything isto stop you from sin Right the

(54:56):
real ending.
You know this is a merestepping stone.

Earl (55:00):
Yeah, you know the righteous man, it's a path.
That he don't want you to see.
No, it's beset.

Zack (55:10):
And he'll use anything to keep you from seeing it from
grief.

Earl (55:12):
Selfish man, the selfish man, the greed of the world.

Bucky (55:15):
The world yeah.

Earl (55:17):
That's where that's.
One of the big parts of theworld is the man's greed.

Zack (55:22):
I'm not going to lie to you.
He blinded me for a fair amountof years.

Earl (55:27):
Oh yeah.

Bucky (55:32):
But yeah, I mean, he does every day, sometimes me maybe.

Earl (55:36):
That's human nature.
They say the selfishness of Idon't drink water, bro.
He's trying to blind me all thetime, you know Well, wow,
that's human nature they say,the selfishness of I don't drink
water, bro.

Zack (55:41):
He's trying to blind me all the time, you know.

Earl (55:43):
Well.

Zack (55:44):
I mean really, just think about it, it all amounts to the
same goal.

Earl (55:50):
Don't make the addiction and selfishness annoying.

Zack (55:52):
Everything that's hurt me amounts to the same goal he wins
.

Earl (55:56):
Well, you're right.
You know what that's part of.
The answer to addiction isreleasing yourself.

Zack (56:03):
God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot
change and the courage to changethe things I can't.

Earl (56:08):
You've got to accept there's a power greater than
yourself because, you cannot,you cannot, but you can by God,
by God Through.

Bucky (56:17):
God.

Earl (56:19):
All of it.

Bucky (56:19):
Yeah, that's the only way I've ever kicked anything.

Earl (56:22):
I don't know man.

Bucky (56:25):
I mean cigarettes, was one of the toughest things.

Zack (56:28):
Man, I can think of tougher.
No, yes, but I'm just sayingyeah, but for real though I mean
tough.

Bucky (56:34):
There's just so many.

Earl (56:35):
Yeah, not that he helped me do it.

Bucky (56:36):
Well, situations, there's , temptations, things are
terrible, but it's like, yeah,there's so many.
But that looks like fun manyeah that cigarette should taste
good.

Zack (56:49):
No, they don't.

Bucky (56:50):
It don't taste good, you know.

Zack (56:52):
I'm going to smoke them anyway, right, exactly.

Bucky (56:56):
I mean that's just a power and it's just a damn.
I mean it's tobacco.
Come on, it's a thing, it'sanother thing.
Yeah, man, it kind of takesyour mind off

Earl (57:08):
of things.
It could be a tool.
It could be a tool temporarily,Overall it's going to do this
to you.

Zack (57:13):
You know, the story of Job is a bet.
It's a bet.
It's a bet between God and thedevil.
Yeah, If you took the hedgeaway from his soul, then I will
have him cussing you for thedays up.
He said I will take the hedgeaway from his heart, but I will
not take the hedge away from hissoul.
Or is it the other way around?

(57:35):
One or two, so he allowed him tohurt.
He didn't allow him to hurt Jobbefore then.
So Job was like the mostpatient, the most one.
That was Job was like hisfavorite, you know cause he did
what he was supposed to be doing, you know.
So he did that, dropped thathedge.
He used to be all talking andfarming.
You know, first thing he did todestroy all the crops, have

(57:55):
nothing to eat.
Then destroyed Nothing to eat,then destroyed all the cattle,
you know.
Then destroyed his kids.

Earl (58:01):
Yeah.

Zack (58:02):
You know, Destroyed everything he had.
In the end of the story is Joblays down naked in a fetal
position, pulling his own hairout.
But did he cuss God like?
He said no, he didn't.
But the ending of Job is notlike a good ending to me.
You know that's not cool.

Bucky (58:18):
Yeah, but that's how far he'll take you, that's right,
he'll take you to your lowestpoint and try to destroy you,
but you just got to keep thefaith, faith.

Zack (58:28):
Remember, earl, because in the end I'm glad you said that
Because in the end, in the end,when it's all said and done,
when this life is over, bro,this life ain't nothing, and
that's the only thing that keptme alive to this point.

Bucky (58:42):
Yeah, at that point when he told you that, like that was
faith that you would know thatthat would happen, you know, you
have faith that that is howthat's going to happen.
That is, that is I know it.

Earl (58:53):
Yeah.

Zack (58:57):
You know, and the thing is , the devil knows that he can't
hurt me and that's so he used mychildren.
You know, I firmly believe inthat.
So then, even though I knowthat I'll see him again, I'll
come back.
I'm working on my fence to makethis house and spend every
dollar I have on this house,because that's what the girls
wanted.
They wanted this house to stay.
And I'm sitting there thinkingof Zoe, and Zoe was baptized
after the wreck.

(59:18):
Well, I know she believed inGod, but she was baptized after
the wreck.
So there's another little doubt.
The devil would jump on yourshoulders and start saying hey,
is that good enough?
So I'm like man, she wasn'tbaptized.
So you know, is she in heaven?
Well, I know she's in heaven,but the devil's saying no, she's
not in heaven.
So I'm sitting there welding onmy and literally someone came

(59:41):
up behind me and gave me a hugand I raised my hood up and I
looked down and my shirt waseven pulled back where their
arms would be and I said, devil,get away from me, because if my
daughter was here on earthgiving me a hug, she's not in
heaven see.

Earl (01:00:04):
That's just one more way.
Yeah, you're right, but I tellyou what I've felt, more than
I've seen or heard.
Understand, you know what Imean.
Yeah, I know what you felt youknow I can understand people's.

Zack (01:00:18):
You know how could he let this happen to me?
That's, that's that, that's thedeal, you know how, why?
I can't believe it.
It makes me so mad.
Why would he do this to me?
The anger just builds up andbuilds up and builds up.
It's still there, even though Iknow that he didn't do it.
But I'm still mad and I'll soonlet go of that.
And that chris is probablychris is probably actually I'm

(01:00:39):
not.
I'm telling you the truth.
Chris is probably the reasonthat I'll soon let go of this,
because after I told him, I saidfinding reasons to breathe, and
he called me let's start doingthis.
The only time that I'm not madabout those situations is when
I'm talking about God.
There you go.

Bucky (01:01:00):
So maybe we do know what we're doing.
That's why I say I mean we do,but we don't.
Does that make sense?

Zack (01:01:09):
We do know what we're doing.
You wanted to start a podcast.
You felt I needed it.

Earl (01:01:15):
Or we needed it, or whatever.
No, yeah, you're right.

Bucky (01:01:16):
Not just you, bro, for myself too.

Zack (01:01:19):
Yeah, then there's always the good thing.
What helps is have y'all everheard of Loves?
Loves has the best steak thereis.
You know what I'm saying?
I'm just saying I mean, but forreal that's true.
I got to thank my friend oneway or another for starting this
and saving my life.

Bucky (01:01:37):
No, hey, I mean don't think that you didn't.

Zack (01:01:40):
Hey, don't think that you're not helping.
Don't never think that no, Idon't know.

Bucky (01:01:46):
You know what?

Zack (01:01:46):
I'm telling you, I feel like.

Bucky (01:01:48):
I'm not helping at all, so I'm going to keep doing it.
You're helping.

Zack (01:01:57):
I'm just going to keep doing yeah, no, I believe that.

Bucky (01:02:00):
Yeah, people will.
Yeah, that's right, and so thisway, never forget, but we're
good, we're good.

Zack (01:02:07):
I'm glad we're doing this.
You know what I mean.
I hope that people are gladwe're doing this.
I hope that someone listens tothis, hey, and it helps someone
and they help somebody else, andall we talked about is if it
helps one person, that's all itmatters.

Bucky (01:02:18):
Even if it was just ourselves, Right, Like if it
just helps me, you and Earl, orif it just helps one of us,
that's one person, Be easy,that's one person that we've
helped.
But if we can help anybody else, it's just bonus man, and hey,
I got to.
I mean, I think we probablycould on this subject.
Just, I mean mean, the list ofpeople we know that need to talk

(01:02:43):
about some of that stuff isprobably a whole monthly episode
.
So I don't know how we're goingto deal with that.
We'll see.

Zack (01:02:52):
One of these days we'll be able to say hey, listeners, if
any of y'all out there canempathize, or something like
this has happened to y'all, why?

Bucky (01:03:01):
don't y'all give us a call, we may get to that point.

Zack (01:03:04):
Lord, I hope so.

Bucky (01:03:06):
That'd be awesome.
Call in.

Zack (01:03:08):
Yeah, because I firmly believe that there's a message
to be told here, and we're hereto tell the message.

Earl (01:03:14):
I think we're getting there Same ways you don't know
in the past To do that.

Bucky (01:03:17):
Same way as not knowing the path.
To do that, we'll have to belive.

Zack (01:03:19):
No, we won't have to be live.
All right, yeah, no, we'rerecording.
They can still call us.

Earl (01:03:23):
Or well, to a certain group you could be like on a
whatever circuit, but anywayyeah you're talking about a path
and not knowing you ain'tsupposed to know the path.
It's like knowing what God'swill is.
You'd be arrogant to know.

Zack (01:03:38):
If you knew the day you were going to end, you'd be
crazy.

Earl (01:03:43):
Yeah, and you'd be arrogant to know the path you've
got to take, because life is astruggle, Life is pain.
Those are all things they say.
Those are things they say andthat's why he went through pain
and the struggle and the samething.
You know, those are allsomewhat a cliche, not untrue.

Zack (01:03:58):
You know Eric comes by and checks on me quite often.
Man, I meant to tell you thankyou for that.
That's a yeah but he'll come tomy house.

Bucky (01:04:06):
I know I do.

Zack (01:04:07):
I do it differently you send me texts, I mean it's just
different ways, different folksyeah but no

Bucky (01:04:16):
like I say that day when you text me that something just
came over me.
I don't know what it was, but,like I say, I've been praying to
lead me, show me, and here I am, don't know it felt different

(01:04:39):
that day.

Earl (01:04:40):
Yes, sir, I know what that was.
It felt different that day.
Yes, sir, I know what that was.

Bucky (01:04:43):
They call that something yeah you know what that is right
what do they call it the HolySpirit?
There you go, absolutely itcomes over you ah so you know, I
didn't.
I didn't.
I mean, I did think I was likea podcast, what the who's gonna
listen to me, you know, oh,maybe, I mean, I did think I was
like a podcast, what the who'sgoing to listen to me.
You know Maybe thousands, Idon't know.

Earl (01:05:08):
Like you said, that's not what your hope is.

Bucky (01:05:11):
No, but I don't even think any of that came to me.
It just came to me like, justcall him and tell him we're
doing a podcast.

Zack (01:05:16):
I'm like all right so.

Bucky (01:05:20):
I almost got ran over that same day.

Zack (01:05:22):
I almost died.

Bucky (01:05:23):
I could have died that day, but you didn't that would
have been.

Zack (01:05:26):
That's the devil trying to get you.
I said look, there's the value.
Hey, wait a second.
This is one step closer towhere they need to be fuck that
that's crazy.

Bucky (01:05:35):
That's what made you think a little more like hey,
yeah, that's what made you thinka little more like hey, yeah,
let's.

Earl (01:05:38):
Well, it makes you think a little more.

Zack (01:05:40):
Everything you think is coincidence.
You know, there just happens tobe this man search and I
happened to text that man.
Everything is already there,everything's mathematical
Everything, wow.
But you know, everything iswhere it's supposed to be, when
it's supposed to be.

(01:06:01):
You may not like it, it may bethe worst thing that ever
happened to you, but it may allbe for something.
It is going to be for somethingI promise you.

Bucky (01:06:15):
Yeah, so yeah, we're hoping to help people.
It's going to First.
First it's going to and thenalong the way.
We're just going to pick upsome people along the way and
just say, hey, well, it's apiece of things that they need
to come along for the ride too.

Earl (01:06:32):
Yeah, well let people listen to it and if it connects
them to something else, it'slike man, I'm sorry I didn't
come Friday, man, I was.
I wanted to a lot of ways, butfor a lot and I wanted crystal
to come, and you know what Imean, but and it may be a step
somewhere else in the path- yeahbut I mean, real life is still
here and right.

Zack (01:06:53):
Yes, stuff happens like we all have obligations and we
have duties that we have to takecare of being married.

Bucky (01:07:03):
Yeah, absolutely.

Zack (01:07:07):
And sometimes why you got to get so close what.
What my good friend over thereB he may crack me up but he
cracks me up, but I understandEverything's going good.

Bucky (01:07:23):
We have obligations as men to ourselves to our wives
because we were marriedAbsolutely and so we have to
take care of that.

Zack (01:07:37):
He got a bigger hug than she got, I promise you.
That's why I was like what thehell?
But I hug people that come outto support me.
I was giving her a hug, askingher how she was doing.
I mean, really just to see howy'all were doing.
You know what I'm saying.
Y'all were there.
Y'all were doing good.
Everything looks like it'ssupposed to.

(01:07:57):
It's looking good.
Yes, sir, it's looking good,yes, sir, it was looking good.
But everything, yeah, you know,just be very aware of your
surroundings and don't everthink that anything that's bad
is happening to you just bychance.

Bucky (01:08:16):
Yeah.

Zack (01:08:16):
You either brought it upon yourself or somebody brought it
upon you.
Well, just being aware you'reso slick you can't slide.

Bucky (01:08:26):
That's a good term there you go so this I think this
might have to be a two partepisode what time is it?

Zack (01:08:36):
it's like 8 yeah but I want to say this to both y'all I
greatly appreciate the, the,the strength, the help.
You know, for real, it's hardfor me to say such things, you
know, but I, you know, I reallyappreciate what y'all have done,
as in friends, because, youknow, chris told me something.
I just realized I hadn't beenas good as friends I should have

(01:08:57):
been.
I mean, and you've been,there's so many out there that
hadn't even said anything.
Wow, yeah, but you know I, I andyou know we've been friends a
long long time, yeah, and youknow I would be upset if
something happened to y'all, andso in the same, so in the same
sense, that means you know Ilove both y'all, so I appreciate

(01:09:17):
it.

Earl (01:09:18):
But uh, thanks for the support yeah, well, it's as
simple as that.
It's a tough, it's a big thing,but you know what it's like.
Hey, I don't know what to sayto you, but says I love you
brother, and I don't know whatelse.

Bucky (01:09:31):
There's nothing we can say to make it better, so go
through in my mind I don't knowhow can I help him without?
I mean, you know, like I don'tknow what to say.
I help him without.
I mean, you know, like I don'tknow what to say.

Zack (01:09:40):
Yeah, but we were real good friends a long time ago.
Oh yeah, yeah.
Then we kind of went severalways.

Bucky (01:09:44):
Oh yeah, we had life happen, bro, that's right, I
mean them past like you wentthis way I went this way for a
while.
Maybe we met along the way.

Zack (01:09:56):
I mean, as long as you know, if you don't have any
ulterior motives to somethingthat you're doing for someone,
that's good.
I mean that's what my wife usedto get so mad at me for help,
because I'll help anybody,anyone, and she's like why are

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you helping them, why are yougiving them a second chance?

Earl (01:10:22):
I said because that's what I'm supposed to be doing.
Somebody might give me onesometime, or something.
I might need one.

Bucky (01:10:27):
There's different yeah, I might need that second chance.

Earl (01:10:29):
I've been on that, I've been there or I've already been
sometimes.

Bucky (01:10:36):
I stop Like say we talked about our addiction and we can
sit here for an hour each.

Earl (01:10:43):
That's what I like to support groups and stuff for,
because somebody's been therebefore.
You're not the only one.
Somebody's been there before.
It's all true, right?

Zack (01:10:56):
Yes, sir, I just don't want nobody to have to do it.
There's nothing worse that youcould do to an enemy.

Earl (01:11:03):
No, that's why there's all kinds of different support
groups.
We're talking about addiction.

Zack Flynn (01:11:09):
She's addicted All kinds of things.

Earl (01:11:14):
That's not the only thing to get through.
Addiction is just one of thosethings to get through.
One of those things?

Zack (01:11:19):
yeah, it's one of those things that can get you Sit
alone in a four-corner roomstaring at Ken.

Bucky (01:11:24):
Yeah, it can get you If you let it.

Zack (01:11:28):
I'm not going to let it.

Bucky (01:11:29):
Well.

Zack (01:11:29):
I actually feel good.
I actually feel good First time.

Bucky (01:11:31):
I feel good in a while To me this is like our personal
support group.

Earl (01:11:39):
Yeah, it is.
It's a group.
That's how group works.

Bucky (01:11:43):
Yeah.

Zack (01:11:46):
You talk it out.
It's a lot better to talk itout with y'all and these
listeners that don't have youthan it is to talk about it with
a complete stranger.

Earl (01:11:54):
Yeah, but sometimes you've got to do that too.

Bucky (01:11:56):
Well, I'm learning that there's different forms of
therapy.

Earl (01:12:00):
It's different for different people.
That's just like sometimes theytalk about you've got to write
it out or you've got to giveyour problems to God, like
you've either got to say it outor write it down and give it to
God.
There's some truth in all that,and more so to different
extents to different people.

Zack (01:12:23):
That's what they gotta do.
But you know, uh, you're fixingit, there you go.
So this is this probablyconcludes.

Earl (01:12:27):
Or yeah, no, not just yet.
Yeah, I got to pee, real badtoo.
Yeah, go ahead, let's end it.
What?

Zack (01:12:31):
and then so go ahead and I'll talk it out.

Earl (01:12:35):
I'll talk it out.
Go use your instrument for it.
No he's in there right now.

Zack (01:12:39):
Oh, but I go outside.
Merle, I'm from Newark.
Yeah, I'm still country.

Earl (01:12:43):
I may live in the city but I still act like I live at the
farm I pee, smoke a cigarette.

Zack (01:12:49):
It's an event.
It's an event.

Earl (01:12:51):
If I go pee it's outside.

Zack (01:12:53):
I have a firm belief in that I have to.
It's not that I have to, it'snot that I have to.
It's just that I believe thatthere's a path that I'm on and
that I'll soon be doing.
But man, I got lots of thingsthat I got to beat.
Before I get there, I say Icuss way too much.
Can you see me up there talkingabout God?
I'll be, like you know, in thismother—.

Earl (01:13:16):
At the time?
I don't know man.

Zack (01:13:18):
That's how each of us man you don't know man, that's how
each of us man, you don't callthe time and there's a time we
go.

Earl (01:13:24):
That's right, that's like I said exactly Our path is the
hardest to see and that's thewhole point.
You don't know your end forsure, and that's how you got to
live your life, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Zack (01:13:46):
That's I mean as today, maybe the last I keep saying I
know exactly what I'm supposedto be doing.
I will let y'all know what thatis before too long.
So you just have to keeplistening, because I know what
it is I do.
I know wholeheartedly what I'msupposed to be doing.
I just don't know how I'msupposed to be doing it, but I
know what I'm supposed to bedoing.

Bucky (01:14:03):
Well, yeah.

Earl (01:14:06):
Yeah.

Bucky (01:14:07):
Well, sometimes I think I know what we're doing with this
podcast and the next thing Iknow I don't.

Zack (01:14:12):
Yeah, man but it's good.
It's going to be good.
I don't care if it's good ornot.
It's therapeutic but it is.

Earl (01:14:22):
We'll have more listeners than you think it doesn't matter
if we have one, as long as it'snot our wives.
Wow, I almost went too long.
What was it?
The Monday before it's beenjust over a week.
We went, didn't it feel toolong?

Bucky (01:14:33):
Yeah.

Earl (01:14:33):
Yes, it did yeah absolutely.

Bucky (01:14:36):
We need to get him or your dad on early maybe, like on
a Monday morning, maybe havecoffee.

Earl (01:14:41):
It'd be great.

Zack (01:14:42):
That would be great.
10 o'clock.

Bucky (01:14:44):
I have a coffee machine in there, A Keurig.
It'll make like 10 cups.
Hell yeah, right there we couldhave coffee in here and talk.

Earl (01:14:50):
We got to get away from the seriousness some you know
yes you're right, differentstuff and like same thing as
having us three versus havingsomebody else.
Here too, can't always have aguest.
Let's do some of these inbetween.

Bucky (01:15:01):
yes exactly, exactly because we can't talk about the
same things in front of people,just because every day we'll
lose lots, not that we don'ttalk in front of listeners or
whoever might listen, but it'sdifferent when somebody's in the
room you know jerry flan isgoing to have stories about your
grandpa and your dad that thatare that are funnier and shit.

Earl (01:15:18):
Yeah, I probably never, it's gonna be probably I
probably never told you, eventhough he's gonna be news to you
though and but my, my dad, isone of those people that
remember every single thingthat's ever my dad has a lot of
stories about it.

Bucky (01:15:28):
Your dad.

Zack (01:15:29):
Oh yeah, probably most.
Mostly about being drunk, I'msure, hey, but hey, they're
still funny, that's right,they're hilarious.
That's what happened, it was me.
That's what happened, it was me.

Earl (01:15:37):
That's what happened Me.

Zack (01:15:40):
I think and I don't know Carl, little girls and a couple
of guys.
You know, we pull up at thefarm.
My dad just, it's like 530.
My dad had gone in and taken ashower and probably already
drinking a six pack or 12 pack,you know, because he never drank
.
He'd never drank until five,but he would drink a case before

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, like eight o'clock okay, butanyway.
So he's outside watering thegrass.
He's got a towel over hisshoulder, that's it.
I pull up.
He's outside naked.
He's looking hey, how are y'alldoing?
Okay?

Earl (01:16:13):
you know he just turned around.

Zack (01:16:14):
He used his way back in the head, didn't?

Bucky (01:16:16):
not faze him a bit?
I might not remember that story, but you do.
Yeah, I was like oh, you thinkyou should put some clothes on.
So yeah, I've got so manystories.

Zack (01:16:29):
Different things, my daddy's the greatest.

Earl (01:16:31):
That's what we ought to do .
Like I said, mix it up rightnow.
We ought to get that Back andforth.

Bucky (01:16:36):
Yeah, and if we can get two people in a row.

Earl (01:16:41):
More often.
Fourth, yeah, uh, and if we can, get two people in a row more
often and then we'd come backthis more often, even jerry bird
I'm saying, oh well easily onhole three and quana.

Zack (01:16:45):
We used to have bet all the time if we could hit the who
could get closest to the holeyou?

Earl (01:16:49):
know golf.

Zack (01:16:50):
I hit the flag I hit the flag one time I drove.
It's gonna drive way over.
I hit the flag.
It wrapped up in the flag andfell straight down bro.

Earl (01:16:56):
Well, there's several stories involving jerry bear and
the country club yeah, but butif you're just a golf, coach,
just much less whatever.
There's the principal stories,there's ag teacher stories y'all
want to hear these stories.

Zack (01:17:09):
Y'all going to tune in as others to it.

Earl (01:17:11):
Come back next.
We'll get there.

Bucky (01:17:12):
We'll get there and it won't always be serious.
So and uh, yeah, it's gonna beserious.
Yeah, it's just, you know whatthat's right.

Earl (01:17:20):
You know what that's like scheduling.
We should probably likeschedule, just like we'll get up
on saturday and talk shit oh,so, so so we know something like
that we need to get it.

Zack (01:17:31):
We need to get down to the ending it needs to be.
We need to have some freeing.
You know, like uh, keep youreyes up and stay focused and
stay steady and uh be easy, youknow what I'm saying.

Earl (01:17:40):
Hey, yeah, you know what?

Zack (01:17:43):
I tell you that's the lick right.
I think that's it.
I think I sold on that dude.

Bucky (01:17:46):
You know what?
I don't know.
I think I sold on that.
There was a point Out of leftfield on that one there was a
point no there was a point whenI was up the River.
Hey, that'll be the name ofthat.

Zack (01:17:58):
Yeah name of the episode Up the River.

Earl (01:18:00):
You're right, because I could talk a lot about when I
was up the river.
Yeah, we'll get there, and theygot.
Hey, there was a lot.
We can go back to my notes andbooks about be easy easy.

Zack Flynn (01:18:10):
Does it take it?

Earl (01:18:11):
easy.
Oh, that's right, there's a lotof easy, you remember when I
came back.
I do remember that about justgive it a minute, take it easy,
calm down Me, be easy, be easy.

Bucky (01:18:23):
Yeah, right.

Earl (01:18:24):
Wow, so you're striking a chord with me, right, right.
Okay, so that's it then, right,you remember.

Zack (01:18:31):
No, I do remember, you remember, yeah, so until then,
keep your eyes up and believe inGod or something.

Earl (01:18:36):
Well.

Zack (01:18:37):
Be easy, however, you want to end it, hey, take it easy,
no, be easy.

Earl (01:18:41):
Be, easy, because that's who we are.

Zack (01:18:43):
Bucky, earl and Zach yeah that's it, so be easy.
It's just good play.

Earl (01:18:49):
Damn it is.
Hey, let's end it with that,because I've got to pee so bad.

Zack (01:18:52):
Okay, go pee and we'll be easy.

Earl (01:18:54):
Yeah, go pee, I'll be much easier and we'll see you next
week and stay tuned.
Hey, let's do it biweekly, isthat what it?

Bucky (01:19:03):
is Tonight.
We're going to say goodbye forthe Be Easy podcast and we will
be talking to you soon, butuntil then, I'm Bucky, this is
Earl, I'm Zach, we are the BeEasy podcast and we will see you
later.

Zack Flynn (01:19:21):
We'll make it in grace.
How sweet the sound that saveda wretch like me.

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I once was lost, but now I'mfound.
And I was blind, but now well,I see that taught my heart To

(01:20:23):
fear and grace, my fear relieved.
How precious did that graceappear the hour I first believed

(01:20:58):
.
My chains are gone and I'vebeen set free.
My Lord, my Savior, he'sransomed me Like a flood.

(01:21:27):
His mercy rains.
Unending love, amazing grace.
And when we've been there tenthousand years, bright, shining

(01:22:07):
as the sun, there's no less daysto sing God's praise than when

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we first begun.
As my chains are gone and I'vebeen set free, lord, my Savior,

(01:22:55):
he's ransomed me Like a flood.
His mercy reigns.
Unending love, amazing graceand light the floor.

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His mercy reigns, unending love, amazing grace, amazing grace,
amazing grace, amazing grace.

(01:23:53):
How sweet the sound.