E-8-Small Town Stories: JT's Deportation & His Return to Texas

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ZACK Flynn (00:01):
And with those baby blue eyes and that smile that's
mine.
This year, well, she turnedthree.
You better grab a hold ofsomething close up.
Grab your hold of you and don'task a question if you can't

(00:22):
take the truth, Cause it mightbe a reflection of you.
I said it might be a reflectionOf you.

BUCKY (00:40):
Alright, coming to you live from the old, abandoned
Chillicothe Hospital,chillicothe, texas.
This is the B to the E to the Z, and that is Be Easy.
Be easy, baby, that's whatwe're here for.
When he came here what do youremember?
Yeah, just.
Chillicothe.
When did he move here?

(01:00):
I'm going to say he's aboutfifth grade or sixth grade?
No, no, no, he wasn't here inelementary like a year or two.
I'm pretty sure I remember himcoming that right in fifth or
sixth dude so we're gonna askhim about coming to school with
chelsea.
But how much of that do we wantto hit on before we just go to?
great.
Well, a little bit, just kindof introduce him did he play
football?
no, no, he never played.

ZACK (01:21):
No sport I think he got here in junior high, maybe I
swear, I remember him coming inelementary, I don't remember him
in sixth grade Because hetalked real funny.

BUCKY (01:27):
No me, neither.

ZACK (01:28):
I don't remember him in sixth grade man, I even thought
it was fifth.
For some reason we can ask himhey, you fat bastard.

BUCKY (01:35):
I remember him talking about.
He called it primary.
He was still in primary.
I'm watching the answer now hegot drunk.

ZACK Flynn (01:46):
It's nighttime there .

JT (01:48):
No he wasn't before, but now he did probably Hello, hello,
you drunk bastard.
Who am I speaking with?

ZACK (01:57):
Not yet, not yet.

ZACK Flynn (01:58):
Not yet you working on it.

ZACK (01:59):
What time is it there Not yet Six hours in front of us
Quarter to nine.

JT (02:06):
Okay yeah, quarter to nine.
I thought you were six hoursbehind me, but it's only five.
Probably we ain't sprung.
Well, it's due to the daylightsaving time, right now.

ZACK (02:15):
That's the only reason.

JT (02:16):
Right.

ZACK (02:16):
We are six hours sometimes .

BUCKY (02:18):
Yeah, yeah.
There you go.
That good.

JT (02:27):
Yeah, good, yeah, it's better you hear us.

BUCKY (02:28):
Okay, jt, yeah, yeah, I can hear you, you all there now.

JT (02:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and you're jt I guess about you already,
but justin bamforth thompson,that's right introduce yourself,
jt, and everybody know whowe're talking to yeah, you can't
give my full name, though wedon't need people tracking me
down.

ZACK (02:45):
No, it's too late now.

JT (02:48):
People don't need my middle names.

ZACK (02:49):
Well, I didn't throw your last name in there, so it's like
you know it would be five.
So what year did you get herein Chillicothe?
What year did you move toChillicothe, texas?
What grade were you in I?

JT (03:03):
got there in 85.

ZACK (03:05):
Fifth grade Uh-oh Earl's right, I would have lost that
bet.

BUCKY (03:10):
We talked about that before you came on and Earl was
like fifth grade, we're like no,I don't think so.

ZACK (03:14):
I was like a junior high.
Yeah, you didn't notice him.

JT (03:17):
When did you think I got there?

ZACK (03:18):
I thought seventh grade that's great.

BUCKY (03:23):
I don't think he's.
I was off by a mere two yearshe didn't speak English until
seventh grade is what it was isthat what it was he?

ZACK (03:29):
spoke, he spoke he spoke real English until yeah, he
spoke old English yeah nobodyunderstood me for like a year
yeah there's gonna be people outthere right now that's gonna
say they don't understand youright now.
So speak as texan, as you can,you're probably right yeah,
you're probably lucky.

BUCKY (03:48):
He's been to texas this recent.
He has got a little yeah, thevisit to texas.
How long had you been beforeyou've been over in the states?

JT (03:59):
how long have you been since what?

BUCKY (04:00):
you've been in the States .
When the last time you came tovisit.

ZACK (04:03):
What year did you leave?

JT (04:04):
Oh well, I left just after 9-11.
What was it 2000.

ZACK (04:15):
I can't remember 2001.
One or two 2001.
, yeah 2001,.

BUCKY (04:20):
yeah, you got rounded up in that 9-11 shit.
It was after what.

JT (04:26):
Yeah, it wasn't too long after the Twin Towers went down.

BUCKY (04:30):
Yeah, that's the reason.
Yeah, that has something to dowith it, doesn't?

JT (04:34):
it.
I mean no correlation,obviously.

BUCKY (04:36):
Yeah, not that way no absolutely.

ZACK (04:39):
not Only Twin Towers he took down with some tombstones.

ZACK Flynn (04:42):
Only twin tires.
He took down with sometombstones.

ZACK (04:49):
That's a story for the later part of the story, the
Volvo.

JT (04:53):
Later part yeah.

BUCKY (04:55):
Yeah.

JT (04:57):
Yeah.
So, what's up, you boys hittingJoe Rogan numbers yet, or what?
Oh yeah.

ZACK (05:00):
We're getting there.
We just did.
We're climbing, baby.
We're climbing the charts.

BUCKY (05:02):
We're on pace for that.
That's what we're getting there.
We're climbing baby.
We're climbing the charts.
We're on pace for that, that'swhat we're working on.

JT (05:08):
There's more interest in Joe Rogan.
No one's just spoutingpseudoscience, bullshit anyway.

BUCKY (05:14):
Oh, not yet.
We haven't released all theconspiracy theory.

ZACK (05:22):
I'm one second away from getting started on this episode,
so watch out.

BUCKY (05:26):
It's an easy distraction.
No, but we was having you on JTbecause as part of a second
episode or a joining episodeit's not even the second one
when we were talking about Drape.
It'd be part three actually,yeah just as we were talking
about.

JT (05:43):
Yeah, part three.
Yeah, be part three actually.
Yeah, just as we were talkingabout you know, yeah, part three
.
Yeah, yeah, I did.
I listened to the first two.

BUCKY (05:54):
Yeah, cool the first two about drape.
But listen yeah they're good.

JT (05:55):
I mean, that was two of the four.
There's so many.
There's so so many stories youcould tell about drape.
I don't even know where youstart.

ZACK (06:00):
Obviously you get a sense of some of this well, well, you
know we pretty much decided thatwe're not going to take any
cuss words out unless we superdrop the F-bomb.

BUCKY (06:07):
Yeah, he said Zach, tell me no more Super, drop the
F-bomb.
Yeah, but we're not trying toseed it with that either.

ZACK (06:12):
It happens I've had lots of people say that we shouldn't
cut the cuss words out, man,because you got Call of Duty.
Every kid in the world plays.
It says in the game, so it'snot nothing that they ain't
heard.
No, it's not that.
We're just trying to be therespectable and prominent and

(06:38):
trying to communicate and loyaland honest people.
We are, yeah, yeah.

JT (06:44):
To be honest with you, it's been good to hear you guys, you
know, getting on with it well,that's why we was talking about
me and errol's like.

BUCKY (06:51):
This is what we do when we hang out.
Now we just record it yeah, it'sa reason to get together too.
And it's a reason to gettogether too.
Yeah, like I said, we juststarted recording, otherwise we
didn't hang out already at all,really, I mean know, maybe
randomly.
Yeah, not on a real routine.

JT (07:06):
Yeah, it's a good excuse, isn't it?

BUCKY (07:08):
Exactly yeah.

ZACK (07:10):
And I'm the only one drinking, so it's not for that.

BUCKY (07:13):
You're not going to be drinking that thing over there,
you're going to spill your drinkagain, or you didn't spill it
last time?
Yeah, I wish he was here with us, JT.

JT (07:22):
If it makes you feel any better.
I'm drinking a Bud Light rightnow.

BUCKY (07:24):
Okay, there goes that.

ZACK (07:25):
I'm drinking Deep Eddie's vodka.

BUCKY (07:28):
Yeah, he's going hard, jack's going hard.
Well, I'm having my sofa.

JT (07:31):
You're on the body.

ZACK (07:32):
We can talk about a vodka story.
I think JT knows all aboutgetting drunk on vodka, don't
you?
Oh?

JT (07:40):
Yeah, I might know a little something about it.

ZACK (07:41):
You remember when you popped the top?

JT (07:43):
out.
We were in high school, when Idid what?

ZACK (07:46):
Pop the top out the mixer part, whatever it's called, oh
yeah, yeah, that slows the pouryeah.

BUCKY (07:53):
There's a reason for that .

ZACK (07:55):
I'm pretty sure it was called on the tennis court in
Chilicothe, texas, yeah, thatbecame a routine after that,
Like I didn't know you could dothat yeah after that.

BUCKY (08:02):
I didn't know you could do that.
Yeah, like what.
How did you do that?
The plastic bottles.

JT (08:08):
Yeah, that's how you know you got some good.
I remember getting.
I mean, I don't remember, but Igot real drunk the first time I
ever drank vodka and stole myown car from.
What's his name?
Shelly?

ZACK (08:20):
Mike.

JT (08:20):
Shelly.

ZACK (08:21):
Stole your old car.

JT (08:23):
Mike Shelly, yeah, Stole my own car.
Yeah, he was trying to drive mehome because I was too drunk
and I talked him into going intoAllsup's to get me some Cheetos
.
And when he did, I jumped inhis driver's seat and took off.
I know that Allegedly.

BUCKY (08:39):
Allegedly.
Oh, this is all forentertainment purposes.

JT (08:42):
Allegedly.
Allegedly yeah.
I could either confirm it ordeny it, because I don't
remember any of it.

BUCKY (08:47):
Yeah, that's a good alibi .
Somebody had to tell you aboutit.
Right right, Remember the beststory when somebody has to tell
you like, hey, you remember lastnight?
Nope.

ZACK (08:55):
Or remind you about it.
Oh yeah, I like the ones whenyou get told about it the next
day.
Do you remember walking intoAustin with panties on your head
?

BUCKY (09:03):
No.

ZACK (09:04):
Why would I do that?
Whose were they, you know?
No, that really happened toChris.
I'm just kidding, it was me.
Yeah, just a joke, allentertainment purposes only.

BUCKY (09:15):
All bad jokes and having a good time.
None of this is true?
Yeah, well, it's all fairytales that we like to tell each
other.
They're just the stories wetell Well.

JT (09:27):
It's like you were saying, though it's good that you're
doing it, because my memory isterrible, so I forget half of
this stuff.

BUCKY (09:34):
Right.
Well, that's kind of one of themain reasons we kind of did it
too, because we're having toremind each other we didn't
realize how bad our memory wasuntil we tried to to remember
some of that shit.
We're like what?

ZACK (09:46):
yeah, we're having to remind each other a few things.
I can remember vividly, likethe first time I ever stayed at
your house when I was a kid.
We got to wrestling and decidedwe're going to hit each other
with pillows.
And I went to hit him with thepillow and I knocked the damn
light off the damn ceiling faninto the aquarium which busted
the aquarium which busted theaquarium.

JT (10:05):
So who got mad?
Walter, I was going to say itwasn't.

BUCKY (10:08):
Jane, it was probably Walter.

JT (10:09):
Yeah, we had to come up with some really ridiculous excuse.

ZACK (10:13):
I can't remember what the excuse was.

JT (10:15):
I think we made some shit up like Zach swung his arm up and
he was saying goodbye and thelight flew off.

BUCKY (10:21):
He was saying goodbye, it was a terrible.

ZACK (10:26):
I don't young.
Terrible experience.

BUCKY (10:28):
That was probably seventh grade yeah that was probably
junior high age.
That's when y'all y'all werehung out a lot at one time.

ZACK (10:34):
For years yeah.

BUCKY (10:36):
Well, I mean for yeah, then through high school?

ZACK (10:50):
probably no two, three years after high school yeah,
that's what I mean like throughfive, six years, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, well, yeah, for sure, and then that's part of well,
that's part of talking about jtand chill back to the red
lobster days boys.

JT (10:55):
Oh yeah, red love I know how to make them biscuits.
Oh, I know you do good at thatfried mushroom mushroom.

ZACK (11:04):
Yep JT had to carry me up the stairs.

JT (11:05):
I don't eat black seafood.

ZACK (11:08):
I do.
I see food and I eat it thesedays, did you?

BUCKY (11:11):
like being a waiter.
Well, jt was a pizza deliverydude too.
Remember you drove thatdelivering pizza, driving that
old brown car.

ZACK (11:20):
I'm trying to think what that car was.

JT (11:22):
Yeah.

ZACK (11:22):
Right.

JT (11:24):
I used to deliver pizza in that car.
Tony Bradley sold me.

ZACK (11:29):
You're right.

JT (11:30):
That red one.

BUCKY (11:31):
Oh yeah.

ZACK Flynn (11:33):
What was that?
Pontiac, pontiac, yeah.

BUCKY (11:36):
Yeah.

JT (11:37):
Yeah, yeah, I used to deliver pizza to nothing.
What was?

BUCKY (11:41):
that tan car.

JT (11:42):
The tan one, wasn't it?
It was a Camry.
Yeah, I was going.
Yeah, since it's toyota.
Yeah, I used to have a camry,but it it broke down when I
lived at the motel and never ranagain yeah, you drove that in
lubbock I don't know me, me anddrake were in a snowstorm and
something went bang in theengine and they just never ran
again benny had benny at thetoes back to the uh, toes back

(12:02):
to the motel never.

BUCKY (12:04):
Yeah, he lived out there with Drake.
That's when Drake lived theretoo.
So, jt, tell us about what youremember, like hanging out with
Drake, or you know, like whenyou moved here did you hang out
with him at all, up from fifthgrade to junior high.

JT (12:19):
Not so much.
I think there was a couple oftimes I tried to get him to like
come over, like during thesummer, but I don't think his
parents were that keen.

BUCKY (12:29):
Right, but they didn't.

JT (12:30):
we were new to the town.

ZACK (12:30):
They didn't really know who we were, oh them, scottish
bastards.
You know how that is.

JT (12:34):
Yeah, yeah, they're weirdos.

BUCKY (12:37):
Yeah, I don't think anybody hung out with Drake,
that I don't remember either.
No, even junior high.
No, not really.
He really was prettyfamily-oriented.

JT (12:45):
Not really younger, yeah.

BUCKY (12:46):
I mean I was friends with him as little kids, kind of
Like I said we played like GIJoes and shit when we were
little bitty and then I didn'tlike hang out with him again
until after junior high, no yeah.

JT (12:55):
Yeah, no, he didn't really seem to like to come and hang
out.

BUCKY (12:59):
Wow.

JT (13:01):
Like you know, fifth, sixth, grade.

BUCKY (13:05):
They were all guarded, I'd say, I'd say all of them,
like Sharon Benny, his sister,all of them.
They were kind of guarded, youknow, like from the world, kind
of.
They were skeptical of peopleFor more good reasons.

JT (13:16):
You see, now, at the time we just probably thought, eh, you
know, but anyway, I mean I knewhis sister before I knew him
because I used to have thatlittle job at the drugstore.

BUCKY (13:27):
Oh yeah, Go on and do that a little bit.
I better remember that.

JT (13:30):
And Kurt is drug, and that's where Tamara worked.

BUCKY (13:36):
Oh, okay, interesting, I forgot about that.
See, you're just telling mesomething.
I forgot about Totally.
I know Forget about things likethat.
The drugstore.
What year was that had to?

JT (13:44):
be what?
90?
, 80?
That was probably like 80.
80-something, 80-something,probably 86, 87 when I was
working there.
No, no, I don't know if it wasjunior high, I think it was
maybe like sixth grade.

BUCKY (13:54):
Like what'd you do?
Maybe seven?
What'd you do?
Like sweet and clean up.

JT (14:06):
Yeah, weren't back there counting pills.
You weren't looking at playboyswere you?
Well not.
While people were looking, Ihad a couple of men in the back,
maybe that's before they putthem in plastic it is tamra.
Tamra was like doing the drinksand you know they're doing a
soda ice cream yeah yeah yeah,yeah, yeah.

BUCKY (14:22):
That's crazy that they still did that.

ZACK (14:25):
They did For a good while.
That was pretty cool.
I used to go there and get asuicide fool, which is
everything they had mixedtogether, oh wow.

BUCKY (14:32):
Or kamikaze they call it yeah it was good, wasn't it.

ZACK (14:34):
Yeah, absolutely, that was a good place.

JT (14:36):
I remember my mom used to make pies and sell them up there
okay, I remember when your momhad that restaurant too.
Y'all remember that.

ZACK (14:42):
Yeah, the deli.

BUCKY (14:44):
Yeah yeah, jane's Deli or something Little Deli, oh,
that's right, was that overthere by downtown?
It's tore down now.
It was yeah, Over there by likewhere.
My grandpa was over there Likewhatever the movie theater used
to be.
Yeah, by the park Back aroundwhen that gazebo park is.
That wind messed it up Too bad.
What that building?

(15:04):
Yeah, the ones that are stillthere.

ZACK (15:07):
Okay, the one with the mural on it, yeah.

BUCKY (15:10):
It's messed up.
Oh, the front of it's just likecaved in Collapsed in About to.

ZACK (15:13):
I told them it was going to happen.

JT (15:16):
That must have been like our junior senior year, Right Was
it when she had that.

BUCKY (15:21):
Yeah, we were in high school.
I don't think so.
I don't remember it that muchyeah because I remember being in
high school and going up thereand eating I don't know yeah
because I remember that.
It was like a different optionfor lunch for a while.

ZACK (15:29):
Yeah, because I ate at your house every day.

BUCKY (15:34):
For I think what grade was that I'm trying to think Was
that my junior high?

ZACK (15:40):
wasn't that I was like it's when you broke your arm.
When you broke your arm, whatyear was that?
It was before you broke yourarm, actually?

BUCKY (15:51):
was that before or after?
Pj's cooler you remember pj'scooler?
I forgot about phyllis and jane.
Had the old nursing home.
Yeah, had like a club for kids.
Yeah, it did like had couches,and there you go in.
There have rooms with videogames and rooms with the dance
was like a pool table yeah,there was all kinds of shit it
was badass.
Yeah, the eagles nest, yeah kindof, but it had a little more,

(16:14):
like I said, because that hadrooms.
You know, like there was a roomsomebody was just you could
just chill.
There was like rooms, justsitting asbestos station, right
surrounded asbestos.
That'll be the tie that bindsyeah.

ZACK (16:28):
It was PJ's.

BUCKY (16:29):
Yeah, that was before Jane's.
Yeah, wasn't it?
Yeah, that was probably juniorhigh yeah because Phyllis was
that her and Sammy.

ZACK (16:38):
Dawn and Phyllis got divorced when Tommy was still in
high school.

BUCKY (16:41):
Yeah, it was probably like when we were eighth grade
or something no-transcript.

ZACK (16:48):
Yeah, Tommy moved when he was an eighth grader it probably
was eighth grade, yeah.

BUCKY (16:53):
Wait, Tommy Nichols, he played freshman year.
No, he didn't.
No, he didn't?

ZACK (16:58):
He broke his neck.
Oh, he did break his neck, yeahhe broke his neck, but he
didn't even know it until hemoved to Iowa Park.
Yeah, I do remember that now ohyeah, yeah, he must have got
crack-backed yeah he did.

BUCKY (17:10):
I think, so.

JT (17:11):
Crack-backed.
Must have had Tony Perez duringpractice.

BUCKY (17:15):
No, I seen Anthony Jackson hit him so hard one time
.
That's probably it, anthony man.
Yeah, yeah, because this isn'tthe whole story, but I'm gonna
go ahead and tell it because youdidn't start it, yeah.
So, uh, yeah, glenn metham'sour coach, and so we practiced
before the sun came up early inthe uh grass right in front of

(17:38):
the old gym, right.
So, uh, metham, had you knowwe'd hit like we hit like head
up like boom.

ZACK (17:49):
Up and Adams.

BUCKY (17:50):
Yeah.
And so he took the guys thathit the hardest and put them in
the side and said this is thehitter's club.
If you want to get in, you gotto let one of these guys hit you
and I remember this one old boysaid I want to be in there and
he said okay, and Methen saidAnthony Jackson, get up there.
Anthony Jackson hit him so hardthat when he got up he told the

(18:13):
coach.
He said Coach, I don't think Iwant to be in this club, no more
.
And the coach said all right,you go over here.
He also puts you in kind oflittle grudges.
You work out little grudges thatway too, like throw somebody
kind of luck.
Man, that was a pretty goodlesson learned that day, yeah.

JT (18:30):
I remember when Martinez did that with Jason Miller and
Anthony as well.

BUCKY (18:34):
Yeah, oh yeah.

JT (18:35):
When Jason Miller moved over , he had a bit of an attitude
that he didn't really likeAnthony.

ZACK (18:39):
Anthony and Bobby Briggs.

JT (18:41):
He put them in the field.

BUCKY (18:45):
He just made them hit each other and so they gave up.
Yeah, but Jason Miller waspretty tough too, though he
would take the hit.
He didn't care.
Yeah, yeah.

JT (18:53):
They were over there hitting for quite a while.

BUCKY (18:55):
Yeah, that's a good thing about football.
You can always solvedifferences like that pretty
quick, yeah, yeah, it all getsover.

JT (19:01):
Mm-hmm, jason Miller's.
It gets over jason miller's nolonger with.

BUCKY (19:06):
Yeah, I don't think I know that's another reason.
I don't think there was anyissues after that episode on
that.
Yes, jt, you know that.
You know that, jt, right, jasonmiller passed away, right
what's that?
do you know about jason miller?

JT (19:15):
passed away probably a year ago now, huh oh, yeah, yeah, no,
I did hear that too.
Like facebook a couple of yearsago, yeah, yeah, it's been a
couple years.

BUCKY (19:24):
I don't know if I had that.
I don't know how old we were?
We weren't, I guess40-something.
We're 50 now.
No, I think he was 50.
Was he 50?
Yeah, and it happened.

ZACK (19:33):
Was he.

BUCKY (19:34):
He was doing really good.

JT (19:34):
We're all getting old now.

ZACK (19:35):
He was doing really good.

BUCKY (19:47):
Yeah, he'd like a story for another day.
Yeah, yeah, he got out rightafter high school and like got a
job yeah that's what he'd beendoing for a while.

JT (19:52):
Yeah, yeah, he did a smart thing, unlike me yeah, he went
and got a job.
I just got I just got drunk forabout 10 years right and forgot
a lot.

BUCKY (20:01):
No, everybody's path is different.
Yeah.

JT (20:08):
Yeah yeah, exactly that's it , isn't it?
People always ask you whatwould you do if you could do it
all over again?
But a lot of the times youain't going to be where you are
if you do anything different.

BUCKY (20:18):
Yeah, yeah, you'd be somewhere different.
It might not be the same, itmight be better, it might be
worse.

ZACK (20:26):
Yeah, but maybe I wouldn't have bit somebody and pissed in
the cooler in the icebox at onetime.
You remember that.

BUCKY (20:30):
Dave.

ZACK (20:31):
Yeah.

ZACK Flynn (20:32):
Tell that story.

ZACK (20:34):
I was a little bit drunk.
I believe it was my 21stbirthday and I went out with all
the guys from work and I hadlike 21 shots dude.

BUCKY (20:42):
Oh, I think you had mentioned that, yeah.

ZACK (20:46):
But by the time the end of the night was over we got to
the house jt and david or jt,and somebody had to come down
there and help carry me up thestairs.
Pretty sure I bit jt then.
Then they told me that I pissedyeah, I think so and then I
pissed in the cooler.
I went to that guy got up andsaid I had to go to the bathroom
, walked in the open the damnice box, pulled out the cooler,
the bottom drawer for thevegetables, and peed in it.

(21:06):
I don't know.

JT (21:07):
I don't remember.
Yeah but not only that.
So you were told I was asleepon the floor and you kind of
went in there and just startedpissing and turned around in a
circle like a sprinkler.
Like a sprinkler, I knew it wassomething.

ZACK Flynn (21:23):
Wait a minute, I knew it was something.

BUCKY (21:26):
I knew it was something, so wait a minute.

ZACK (21:27):
I knew it was something crazy.
You know what?

BUCKY (21:30):
you was.
You was doing an original PDDparty, or what?

ZACK (21:33):
correct him on that.

BUCKY (21:35):
Pdd didn't have shit on me, yeah this is oh my god, yeah
, that's R Kelly that's rightyeah that's many moons ahead of
his time.

JT (21:46):
Oh my God, yeah, no, we went and picked Zach up from that
pool place and we were drivinghim back in his truck and he
crawled out of the truck andinto the bed where we were like
driving down the highway.
He was proper mashed.

ZACK (22:03):
I don't remember if that was my birthday or not.
Now that I'm thinking about it,I don't know it might not have
had to be.
He was acting like he was forsure.
I also rode down the MidwesternParkway or Kemp.
I got up to pee right there atBest Buy out of the back of the
pickup.
I was in the back of the pickup, I stood up, I started to pee
on the car that was behind us.
Somebody slammed on the carthat was behind us and somebody

(22:28):
slammed on the brakes and ofcourse, I went backwards.
I believe that's the same nightthat Justin, maybe the same
night that Justin got kicked outand got arrested and then came
back.
I don't know if that's the samestory or not whatever that is.

JT (22:40):
He's the only few people I've seen get kicked out of
Maximus.
Well, I don't think we gotkicked out.
Me and Dave were sitting in thecar and Dave just turned up a
beer right next to a cop.
Yeah, the police and I had awarrant out for something.

BUCKY (23:01):
Oh, so he took me in.
So they took me to the policestation.

JT (23:04):
Yeah, they took me in and I went in with my pockets chock
full of beer.
I paid my warrant, then walkedback to Maximus drinking beer.

ZACK (23:15):
Not even of age, Not even close to being of age right.

JT (23:19):
Nope.

BUCKY (23:19):
Not at all, and how they didn't check your pockets.

ZACK (23:23):
That was a walk too.

BUCKY (23:25):
Yeah, that's a couple miles ain't it.
Yeah Well, it's through town.
Yeah, that's a walk.

JT (23:31):
Yeah, I got no idea what.
They searched my pockets.

BUCKY (23:33):
I know, I remember that he just had them like loose in
his pockets, cans of beer.

JT (23:40):
Uh-uh, I mean it might have been one of those things.
I mean it might have been oneof those things.
Maybe I was old enough, butthey wasn't.

ZACK (23:44):
Maybe that's what it was.

JT (23:45):
So I took all the beer I can't remember.

BUCKY (23:49):
Oh, they had y'all pour it out then, or something, or
something.
If you're underage, you pour itout.
They used to pour it out infront of them, Well remember JT.
That happened when we went toour senior party.
Remember the cops came we had.
Remember the cops came and wehad to pour all our beer out in
the parking lot.

JT (24:04):
Oh, what at Cheyenne's?

BUCKY (24:05):
Yeah, Cheyenne's.
It was Cheyenne's CheyenneCattle Company.
I can't think of the name of theplace, yeah, and I think he was
out there and the reason thecops came in the first place.
I think JT never got in, didn'the not have an ID and couldn't
get in, so you stayed in the.
I think something like that,yeah, or?

JT (24:23):
somebody.
I might have been too drunk toget into Cheyenne's when we got
there because I turned awaythree of them big three of them,
big bottles of Crazy Horse yep,that's exactly what it was.

BUCKY (24:32):
You couldn't even get in.
It was Crazy.

ZACK (24:33):
Horse.
It wasn't called Big Chief, itwas called Crazy Horse it had
the Indian face on.

BUCKY (24:39):
Stay in the car.

ZACK (24:41):
You throw up red shit.

ZACK Flynn (24:42):
Yeah man yeah.

ZACK (24:43):
Well, some stout shit.
They quit making that shitbecause it was killing people
from Chilli Gatling.
Well, next thing, you know, youjumped on a train you know what
I'm saying?
Had horse piss in it, didthinking the train was going to
stop, but that train didn't stop, did it James?
They jumped off at Iowa Park,moving Him and Larry.
They jumped off at Iowa Park,moving Him and Larry.

(25:04):
That's crazy.
Yeah, they decided they didn'twant to go all the way to Dallas
, fort Worth.

BUCKY (25:10):
Wasn't stopping.

ZACK (25:11):
Did not stop, for shit boy , didn't even slow down.

BUCKY (25:14):
No, I don't know how fast it was going.

ZACK (25:17):
They had so much rash on them.
Both of them were fucked up,man.
Oh God, Crazy days.

JT (25:26):
There were some crazy days.

ZACK (25:29):
You couldn't do that shit now, boy?

JT (25:30):
I don't even know how I made it this far Right, I know.

ZACK (25:33):
It would be documented, wouldn't it?
Hell yeah.

BUCKY (25:36):
Yeah, it already went viral.
Oh yeah, we did.

ZACK (25:41):
Oh hell.
Yeah, you know my cousin.
He was a bouncer on 6th Streetwhen he was right out of high
school and he got hit in thehead with a tire tool after
kicking somebody out.
He actually threw out a coupleDallas Cowboys players before
and he got hit in the head witha tire tool.
I guess that's the price hepaid.

(26:01):
He worked in Austin on 6thStreet, that big jet, yeah.
And he came back down here andhe had a Mohawk because you know
, they had to cut that side ofhis head where he got hit, yeah.
So he just went ahead and madeit a full Mohawk and he had fire
engine red hair boy.
And we're all sitting up therelike we did all the time.

(26:22):
Sat there at the new gym at theparking lot.
An old cop pulls up.
He's drinking that beer.
We kind of hit ours.
He didn't hide his and he'sdrinking his beer and he turned
that thing up.
He said got a beer in your hand.
He said I don't know, crushedit on his head, then threw it on

(26:42):
top of the gym.
He said is it?
You have to go see.
You know, climb your ass upthere and see.
And old cop said who in thehell are you?
And I had to tell him who hewas.
We didn't get no trouble forthat.
I've seen the cop car get takenin jillicothe, texas, and drove
around the block and slide backup to the cop.

JT (27:01):
Oh, you remember that yeah, that did happen, I remember.

ZACK (27:06):
Yeah, I can't remember who it was I can tell you exactly
who it was, but yeah, I rememberit.
He did cop was so mad he go.
Hey, you can tell you can tellus, was it chris just cut it out
yeah, yeah, it was like I don'tremember he jumped in, he
jumped into mark william that'sit and he went around the block.
He came back around the otherside of the block with the

(27:27):
lights on and slid up to him.

BUCKY (27:33):
What did he do when he came back?
He was pissed dude he got hismad.

ZACK (27:37):
He's just so mad.
He got in his car and left.
That's all he did.

ZACK Flynn (27:41):
Yeah.

ZACK (27:45):
Remember when they stole all that Back in those days.
No, Remember on fireworks, July4th or whatever, when they
stayed in the apartment rightacross from David's house, you
know, when he stayed over thereThen me it was me.
Dave, wasn't it you, weren'tyou involved in that.
I may be For sure, and maybe Idon't know, but I got so drunk I

(28:09):
passed out early so I got tomiss all that part.
But I, when I woke up, dude, Iwas surrounded by ice chest.
I mean, just like stacked sixfoot tall dude, ice chest
everywhere bro in that thatupstairs apartment.
And I was like what thehappened here?
Boy, that's like stealing ahorse in Texas.

(28:29):
Boy, you're stealing an icechest.
That was not good, I know, butwe got away with that too, not
we.
I was no part of that.

BUCKY (28:37):
Yeah, you just got surrounded by them.

ZACK (28:40):
I was implicated, for sure .

JT (28:44):
Hey, I'll tell you who didn't get away with that.
They kept well, a couple ofthem kept stealing beers from
the Marquarts.

ZACK (28:52):
Oh yeah.

JT (28:52):
Oh, Marquart, he downed all the beers and filled them up
with piss.
Put them back in the cooler.

ZACK (28:58):
Yeah.

JT (28:58):
Yeah.

ZACK (29:00):
Yep and they drank them.

JT (29:03):
They stole them and found out real quick.
Oh my god cold piss.

ZACK (29:09):
But you know, you know that, you know they didn't as
soon as they popped that theywere fucking celebrating yeah,
they thought they were onto awinner weiner is what it was.
They were were on to a wiener Awiener yeah.
Oh man, you know he didn't keephis old two or three inches

(29:34):
from the top of the bottle.

ZACK Flynn (29:35):
You know, he stuck it all over his arm.

ZACK (29:38):
You know he did.
You know he did.
Kind of lifted a little.

BUCKY (29:41):
Got a little more than they were expecting.

ZACK (29:44):
They knew him a whole lot better after that.

BUCKY (29:46):
They were a lot closer yeah a lot closer.
Oh boy, Remember the day.

ZACK (29:53):
Is he still?

BUCKY (29:53):
alive Mark Ward.
Yeah, he is, but yeah, gary, ishe yeah?

ZACK (29:59):
I thought he'd been gone before her.

BUCKY (30:01):
He's still like president of the damn railroad or
something.
Yeah, he still has some job upin there.
President of the railroad.
I mean, he's like way up there.

ZACK (30:07):
Yeah, man, that's a good paying job too, boy.

BUCKY (30:10):
I mean, I ain't going to say I don't know.

ZACK (30:11):
That is the only that's one of the only ungoverned
things in the United States ofAmerica.
Railroad, yes.

BUCKY (30:17):
Yeah, I called about a situation one time.
Well, they have a union.
Yeah, I talked to the guy.

ZACK (30:27):
But it's under government.
They can raise their prices ifthey want to and I asked him.

BUCKY (30:30):
I said is there any regulations on this certain
thing he's like?

JT (30:34):
no.

BUCKY (30:35):
I was like what he's like it is not regulated by the
government.
It's basically the government,yeah, no it's not regulated by
less than the companies theyjust like consolidate.
Right, right, it's what builtthe country.

ZACK (30:47):
Yeah, absolutely.
I used to know a dude by thename of nick nichols that when
he pulled up on the scene thatuh the uh on the plant or old
rig or whatever it was ever,there wasn't no oxygen to
breathe because everybody wentoh it's railroad commission.

BUCKY (31:00):
Yeah, the railroad commission I should say is in
charge of like oil and gas hewas like the head pinkerton.

ZACK (31:04):
He was like yeah the pinkertons have way more power
than any regular you know,regular, I don't texas rangers
or anything.

BUCKY (31:13):
They got it all, but I mean the they even.
It's not even really aboutrailroads.
The railroad commission, yeah,has control of other, that's
right.
Yeah, which is the railroad?
Yeah, it's on yeah it's thegovernment.

ZACK (31:22):
Yeah.

BUCKY (31:23):
It's the government, so like.

ZACK (31:24):
A division.
I know that, I know, for I knowthe story of Somebody was
building some track so theycould load cars.
Anyway, he made them mad andthe price when they called him
the next time was like $40,000more Just because he pissed them

(31:46):
off.

BUCKY (31:46):
Yeah, they just do whatever they want.
Yeah, anyway, yeah, that's aOkay.
We get off the subjectsometimes, jt.

ZACK (31:55):
Well, it's on the subject.
It was part of it, yeah.

ZACK Flynn (31:58):
It ties in Part of it.
We tie it in.

BUCKY (32:01):
Okay, so tell us a little bit about.

JT (32:03):
Drape we don't know.

BUCKY (32:04):
About when you used to hang out with Drape or the first
time you remember kind ofhanging out or partying with him
.
How would you describe him?

JT (32:15):
I don't know.
You know, I honestly can'tremember the first time.

BUCKY (32:19):
Yeah.

JT (32:19):
When we hung out and partied , so obviously he started
partying with you first.

BUCKY (32:25):
Yeah.

JT (32:27):
I remember that and I don't know.
Was he there that time when wewent out onto your land down by
the river?
Yes, we camped out, had a fireand then, when we were coming
home the next day, the axle justdropped off your car.

BUCKY (32:41):
Yep, yep, sharon even talked about that, I think.
We tried to push the car out ofthere, axle, just dropped off
your car.
Yep, yep.
Sharon even talked about that.
I think.
Yes, sir, we like tried to pushthe car out of there and yeah,
yeah, real drunk.
I think we had to walk all theway to town, didn't we?
Or something stupid.

JT (32:55):
I think we walked back to your house.

BUCKY (32:58):
It was far enough to your house.

JT (33:00):
We were miles away from your house yeah.

BUCKY (33:03):
Zach, were you with us that time, you know?
There was only however many fitin that damn car of yours.
So it was me, earl Drake.
I remember that you broke a tirerod or something.
Remember who else was it?
Vargo, vargo yeah.
There was a Vargo there.
Whoever fit in that damnfour-door car at least Was it
even a four-door car at leastWas it even a four-door car yeah

(33:25):
it was a four-door car.
Silver looking.
Yeah, it was a four-door car.
Yeah.

JT (33:30):
The whole back axle fell off .

BUCKY (33:32):
Yeah, I do remember that.
I think that's what happenedanyway, anthony might have been
with us, was he?
There was probably like six oreight of us.
There probably was about eightpeople piled in that car.
Yeah, I think there was probably.

JT (33:47):
Wait a minute, wasn't Ed Urban?
There too, everyone else hadhot dogs.

BUCKY (33:50):
That was a different one.

JT (33:52):
Ed Urban brought steak.

BUCKY (33:53):
That was a different one he made them, give him some.
That was different.
That was a different one.
Hey, that's also the timeBecause Ed.
Urban didn't come until we wereolder.
Yeah, that's also the time whenwe all went camping and I don't
know if he was there with us, jt, I don't think he was, but I
had brought a joint and I saidwho wants to smoke this with me?
And Drake's like I will.

ZACK Flynn (34:12):
And I said okay.

BUCKY (34:14):
And then I said Draper, you can't smoke that Hell.
No, get over here.
And so Drake's like he's likeokay, he didn't smoke it.
And so Drape's like he's likeokay, he didn't smoke it.
So I sat there in the tent andsmoked the m****** by myself,
all by myself, and everybodywatching.

JT (34:33):
Yeah, outcast Rebel.

BUCKY (34:34):
Yeah, he wouldn't let nobody smoke it.
Like no, you can't smoke itDrape.

JT (34:38):
No, but I mean, I do remember that time when we were
out there all of us and Drapewas there that he was the only
one that ended up half naked inthe river.

BUCKY (34:48):
That is true, we got real drunk.
What was we drinking?
I don't even remember.
Yeah, beer, probably.

JT (34:54):
I think it was just beer.
Yeah, maybe, yeah we'd just godown there and camp.

BUCKY (35:00):
Somebody may have had some vodka and just drink, and
then swim and yeah, man, thatwas fun right there.

JT (35:06):
He was always the first dude to be half naked.

BUCKY (35:09):
Yeah, we discussed that.
Yeah, I think he just downedbeers.
He wouldn't take a drink, hewould just down it.

JT (35:16):
Yeah.

BUCKY (35:18):
Right away.

JT (35:19):
Anything beer vodka.
Well, I think it's his faultwhen we were talking about me
stealing my own car.
I think that might havesomething to do with Drake,
because we had these two gallonbottles of vodka and we ran out
of mixers, so everyone else wentinto town and they left me and
Drake with a gallon bottle.

(35:40):
Yeah, to finish off, so wedrank it by the time they got
back, and that's how things wentdownhill yeah, you drank a
little too much that night.

BUCKY (35:50):
Yeah, just a wee bit, oh man, yeah, I mean, the bottles
were just so cheap, man, youcouldn't I mean like 10 bucks
you get.
I think it was less than that.
Yeah, it was like seven out offive, I think yeah.
A plastic gallon of vodka.

(36:11):
Yeah yeah, oh man.

JT (36:16):
We thought we'd be doing well with a 12-pack of natural
light for $5,.
So you figured out, you can geta gallon of vodka for $10.
Yeah, yep, you can get a gallonof vodka for $10.

BUCKY (36:24):
Yeah, yep it just.
It was an either-or it wasdifferent.
getting drunk on vodka though,because you could not you black
out, yeah.
Well, there was times.

JT (36:39):
Yeah, I had a few of those.

BUCKY (36:40):
Pass out, but Vodka you just black out and just don't
remember nothing yeah, if youwere having a party and a number
of people, for sure your dollarwas better spent on vodka cheap
vodka than it was for, like,getting even a keg or anything
else easily way easier makebasically trash can punch.
I don't think we even called ittrash can punch then did we

(37:01):
just made a punch or something,but it was just like whatever
the f**king whatever alcohol red, it was like red punch or
something.
We just had like, we'll make itwhatever color real drunk oh
yeah, because everybody drink it.
You just made it whereeverybody taste it and drink it.
Girls, whatever you know yeah,it was the idea yeah, so jt, you

(37:23):
basically don't remember livingin america.

JT (37:25):
Huh from drinking as a lot of it I don't yeah, alcohol do
that.

BUCKY (37:33):
Hey, I had some good times oh, yeah, yeah I had some
good times.

JT (37:39):
I mean, from what?
From what I don't remember?
People tell me I had some goodtimes.

BUCKY (37:43):
Right.

JT (37:45):
Oh yeah, that's good, but I mean as far as Drake you know,
after he lived in Lubbock and hecame back to Chillicothe, I
think after the other dudes wentto MSU.
It was just me, drake, tonyBradley, yeah, I think was
really the only ones living inChillicothe.

(38:06):
Yeah, and I was.
Drake was living at his stayingwith his sister, I think.
Oh, that's right.

BUCKY (38:11):
Later.

JT (38:12):
Well, he, yeah, and he just kind of crashed at my house most
nights.

BUCKY (38:16):
so Is that when you?

JT (38:21):
was living at the apartments over there.

BUCKY (38:23):
Yeah where was you working at then, jt?

JT (38:27):
oh, dairy, queen okay yeah, yeah yeah, I don't forget.
When I was, I was the uh shiftmanager had the keys the peak of
my exist, peak of my existence.
There had the key what are yougonna?

BUCKY (38:41):
it's hot life in chillicothe.
If you had the keys to thatbuilding.
That is pretty nice, ain't it?
Well, Bucky's living that dream.
He's got a restaurant.
Now he could go up there andfix us something if we wanted.
Yeah, definitely Off menu.

JT (38:55):
Unfortunately.
But if you're doing it, Bucky,you're stealing from yourself,
though.

BUCKY (39:01):
Right.
Yeah, it's not just fun, no,it's just access it just happens
to be access.
Yeah, it's not as fun.

JT (39:08):
I was stealing from the man.

BUCKY (39:10):
Yeah.

JT (39:11):
I used to cook the books there in Oswards, allegedly.

BUCKY (39:13):
Yeah, allegedly yeah.

JT (39:18):
Well, that's what's his name .
I can't even remember thedude's name.
That manager, I think that washis name.
He used to make me do all thebooks and all of his work, so I
just used to and I doctor him alittle bit Make it work.
Yeah, make it work For theextra pay that I wasn't getting
from him.

BUCKY (39:38):
Got tips.

JT (39:39):
Yeah, but like you boys say, this is entertainment purposes,
oh yeah.
To be true, that didn't happen.

BUCKY (39:46):
We entertain each other with these stories.
Yeah, these stories are just sofun and funny.
Oh yeah, me and Drake used towork there together.
So fun and funny.

JT (39:53):
Oh yeah, so me and Drake used to work there together oh
that's right, man.
I forgot, yeah, bro.

BUCKY (40:01):
Yeah.
Drake yeah yeah.
Oh yeah, I remember Drakeworking there, and then JT too.
We talked about that.
I thought hey, where'd yourdeal go, bro?
Knocked it off.
Yeah, yeah, nah, go go bro heknocked it off.

JT (40:13):
Yeah, nah, we had a good time working there.
Me and Dre both used to kindacook so what year was that?
97, 98 somewhere in there uh,yeah, must have been around
there somewhere had to be causehe.
The crash was in 99 rightAugust 99 yeah, so I I mean I

(40:34):
was working at GQ up August 99.
Yeah, so I I mean I was workingat DQ up to about Like maybe 6
months, 7 months, before I wentto uh, which town was that?

BUCKY (40:47):
Right, so what year was that you think?

JT (40:49):
Zach, I can't remember what year did you move, zach?

ZACK (40:52):
Uh see, I went to work Cryback in 95.
So it's when, david.
What year did you move, zach?
See, I went to work at Crybackin 95.
So it's when David, he finishedhis two years there, so 97.
Yeah, I was living in Wichitaat 97.

JT (41:07):
Yeah, yeah, sounds about right, huh.

ZACK (41:09):
Yeah, pretty sure, because he did his two years or
whatever.

JT (41:13):
So, that's when you moved there, JT, about 97?
Yeah, I moved up there whenthey moved from the one flat
that they had with Willie andRaymond.

ZACK (41:21):
Willie, we didn't have no flat with Willie.

JT (41:22):
Yeah, we moved to the other place.

ZACK (41:25):
Yeah, we didn't have a flat with Willie.

JT (41:26):
I came back.

ZACK (41:27):
He just moved in.

BUCKY (41:29):
He just made his way in, or what?
Yeah, yeah.

ZACK (41:31):
Yeah, that was, yeah, yeah , uh, that was uh.
We went from uh down what werethose called?
Then we moved to taftapartments.

JT (41:42):
I can't remember what the first apartment I forgot all
about that apartment being adifferent apartment, geez yeah,
yeah, I can't remember because,uh, I, I lived there after that
as well, in my own apartment.
Yeah, it had, it had to be.

ZACK (41:54):
I got married in 98, so it would have had to have been 96.

JT (42:00):
Yeah.

ZACK (42:01):
Yeah, something like that.

BUCKY (42:04):
So when you moved, Drake was still working at Dairy Queen
.

ZACK (42:10):
No, when I moved, when we moved.
Yeah, maybe he just started.
It's when he first got hisapartment in there.

JT (42:18):
He might have been at L&M.

ZACK (42:20):
Right.
Matter of fact, it was wellbefore that, because it had to
be 96.
It had to be 96 when I moved 96.
Maybe David only did a year.
Did David only do a year atTech?
Yeah, yeah, so it was 96.

ZACK Flynn (42:36):
Yeah, I think it was a year 95, 96, yeah.

BUCKY (42:40):
We're always asking whenever JT moved to Wichita,
was Drake still working at DairyQueen?
When he moved Because he wasworking at Watts, oh, at the
very end.
He had worked at United beforethat.

ZACK (42:58):
No, he lived with Paul.
He lived with.

BUCKY (42:59):
Paul.

JT (43:02):
He worked at L&M for a long time after Dairy Queen.
Oh, okay, okay.
Well, before and after, didn't?

ZACK (43:06):
he.
Well, we say a long time.

JT (43:07):
Yeah, because when I lived in Wichita and I used to go back
to Chillicothe, I would spendthe night at Drake's and he
worked at L&M at that point.

BUCKY (43:16):
Right, I think he did it one time and then came back
there.
Yeah, he did come back.
Went there more than once.
Because yeah, he also I guess,right out of high school he went
to work Him and Paul lived inVernon, right behind.

JT (43:34):
United, yeah, yeah.

ZACK (43:36):
That's where the very first time I ever smoked weed
was and I pretty much paralyzedme.
I was laying out and underneaththe tree outside in an ant bed
and they came over there.
They said man, you're laying inthe ant bed.
I said I know it, they'rebiting me.
I just still couldn't move.
Yeah, right in the middle of ared ant bed.

BUCKY (43:50):
Man, that ain't bad man Toasted boy, it happens back in
the day.

ZACK (43:59):
Back in the day.

BUCKY (43:59):
That was it.
That's why you remember it.
Yeah, that's the only part youremember, huh.

JT (44:04):
That's the only part I choose to yeah, man, we had some
good fun being dry.
Tony Bradley, we got out tosome nonsense people probably
don't know about.

BUCKY (44:15):
Oh yeah, I already know tony badly skulking around in
the country.

JT (44:20):
I remember tony badly stealing like a tractor once and
chasing me and draping it oh mygod, I believe that yeah, and I
was like well, I tried, it waslike a digger, oh, you know I
can't, I can't write, you know.
You know that back, you knowthat back road that you uh go
towards joe bob's house yeah,dirt road, the sandy road yeah,

(44:41):
yeah, that dirt road and rightwhen you cross the railway lines
there's, like some I don't knowif they're old grain elevators
or whatever on the left handside we were digging around
there one

ZACK (44:51):
night at the time.
No, this boy green, wasn't itno, probably, I don't know
that's when Joe Bob lived overthere.

JT (44:59):
I remember the lights coming on and the engines firing up
and the digger coming out yeah,it may have been county shit
yeah, tony liked to, he likedthe trouble.

BUCKY (45:14):
Kind of found him quite often.
Well, that was kind of one ofthose I forgot about that.
And it's always the cops coming.
Man, I'm like dude.
Every time I'm with you, I getthe cops called on me for
something.
Like always, I moved down here,maybe, huh.

ZACK (45:29):
What state was it?
Iowa, iowa, yeah it could havebeen.

JT (45:33):
Iowa.
Yeah, I don't know what kind oftrouble he was in up there, but
he was always in some kind ofDodge City, wasn't it?

BUCKY (45:39):
or what was it called Fort Dodge, fort Dodge, yeah.

ZACK (45:42):
You got it.
Your mind is amazing Parts ofit.
I can't remember that shit atall.

BUCKY (45:48):
I do remember that, but I did not know he was in the.
But that makes sense nowbecause, dude, every time I was
with him, the cops got involvedin what we was doing yeah, I
think he did mostly worse shit.
I think whatever he was in therefor was like some bullshit,
almost, like it was likeshoplifting or something he got
in trouble for before, but thenyeah.
I don't know, he wasn't thateven serious he was just in
trouble a couple of times yeah,it was like some bullshit the

(46:10):
guy Bullshit.
They got to make a boy sign.
Yeah, they try to.
Yeah, they don't take much.

JT (46:16):
Nah, not really.

BUCKY (46:18):
Yeah, I think that's I forgot about that too, but I
think I remember that I neverwent to jail with him, but we
got close several times.

ZACK (46:26):
Yeah, he ain't never been to jail, have you?

BUCKY (46:30):
That was one of the questions we know.
Jt has.
He already talked about it.

ZACK (46:33):
JT has he already talked about it, jt.
Well, he didn't.
Yeah, I've been.

ZACK Flynn (46:36):
Yeah maybe once or twice you spent the night in
jail with me.

JT (46:42):
Yeah, yeah, most times you do.
Now let's clarify I've neverbeen to prison yeah, yeah, yeah
in jail yeah that's different?

ZACK (46:51):
well, I don't.
I didn't remember you spendingthe night in jail.

BUCKY (46:55):
It's hard to not to.

JT (46:56):
Yeah, yeah, no but.

BUCKY (46:57):
I've done both.

JT (46:59):
No, I got Prison and jail.

BUCKY (47:01):
No, it got out before you spend the night, I mean.

JT (47:05):
I went like at 5 am.
No, I did it twice.
The time I spent the most injail was when I got done for
evading arrest.
Oh, I don't know if any ofy'all were at that party.

BUCKY (47:19):
Remember some uh, which party was that I had?

JT (47:21):
uh, I can't remember.
We were at some random dude'sapartment.
I left to go and get somethingthat was going to take my car
and this cop car pulled upbehind mine and this dude and
like shorts and t-shirt got outand he was asking for my id what
town was this?
I was drunk, I was in wichitaokay and I was drunk, obviously,

(47:41):
and I'm like you man, show mean id.
You got shorts and t-shirt onand he's like ain't the cop car
enough?
So I was like well, I'm prettysure you give me a couple of
hours, I can get you a cop carthat don't mean nothing right so
.
So he was like right, you staythere, I'm, I can call him this
in.
So I just closed my car door,start walking back, start
walking back to the party, anddumped a bag of weed that I had

(48:04):
the bushes and uh, shit, man,about 30 seconds, 45 seconds
later, there's about four copcars pulled in.
They said they were looking outthe window and all they could
see were flashlights bouncing inthe dark and then a big
collision.
Yeah, but I got done withevading arrest, but I didn't get

(48:25):
done with anything else.

ZACK (48:26):
Evading arrest on foot.
That was a misdemeanor, yeah.

JT (48:30):
Yeah, but I wasn't even running, I was just walking away
from it.

BUCKY (48:34):
He just refused to go.
It's a misdemeanor.
No, I'm not going.

ZACK (48:37):
For y'all that do not know that, if you ever want to run
from the cops make sure it's onfoot.
That's good information.
It is a misdemeanor.

JT (48:42):
Yeah, that's good information yeah, it's a good
job.
I'm a white dude.
They might have just kept itthere.
Well, you know what the policeare like, especially in that day
and age.

BUCKY (49:03):
Not all of them, yeah.

JT (49:05):
But they did, they choked the shit out of me.

BUCKY (49:07):
I know several different types of police.
Well, that was before body camsand dash cams.
Yeah, they did a little bit moreextra.
Yeah.
Yeah, they cams and dash camsand yeah, they did a little bit
more extra.
Yeah, yeah, they could.
Yeah, they get away with it.
Yeah, yeah, there was officerdiscretion both ways.
Yeah, that's about the time whencops came out, they started
putting on video and they'relike, oh shit because it's

(49:29):
entertaining god, I mean.
You know what the hell well,we're sitting here talking about
it, just I know if I say like,yeah, he got taken down in the
flurry of flashlights in wichitafalls, texas.

ZACK (49:38):
I got uh, almost taken to jail.
The cops said okay, here's yourlucky day, maybe we're gonna
flip a quarter oh I use the olduh, coach metham thing.
Thank you, tails.
Of course you know I won Neverlost.
It's never lost it never didthat year either it damn sure

(50:00):
didn't, and I try to tell peoplethat they think it's a joke,
and they won every game thatyear.
They lost one, yeah, and by thetime I looked and saw that it
was on tails.

BUCKY (50:14):
they were done gone.
Yeah, they were done gone.
Yeah, they were done gone.
Oh, Wichita County, Maybe theywere full it wasn't.

ZACK (50:19):
it wasn't Wichita County.
It was Wichita but it wasn'tthe county.
Ah, it's back in the day.

BUCKY (50:30):
So, Back in the day Back in the day.

JT (50:32):
Crazy shit back in the day.
Yeah we did a bunch of stupidy'all but you know, hey, that's
what country folk do.

ZACK (50:46):
Yeah, you're right, that is kind of a country boy kind of
way.

JT (50:47):
Yeah, I'm sure didn't realize what damn didn't realize
what we were doing in thecountry you you know we did not
realize what we were off into.

ZACK (50:54):
For damn sure you know, we did not realize what we were
off into for damn sure.

BUCKY (50:56):
No, it was different world.
Oh yeah, I got some seriousstories.
Besides it being a differenttime, there's serious stories on
that that never be told.

ZACK (51:03):
Yeah, I mean, I got some really good stories on that shit
I'm telling you right now, butyou know it is what it is yeah
yeah something's best leftunsaid right.
I mean, they would be veryentertaining, I promise.
Uh, people would be like awhole lot, oh no that explains a

(51:24):
lot of shit.
Maybe you write a book.
Yeah, I already have the titlefor it.
It's called uh, the right waysto do the wrong things.
It will be a new york timesbestseller.
The right ways to do the wrongthings.
Yeah I've had that title forthat for a long time.

BUCKY (51:41):
Of course you know it was only the right ways for so long
right well, I said differenttime, different, almost like a
different place, kind of youknow talking about how things
were wild times for a whilebefore cameras and cell phones,
yeah, before cell phones theywere cell phones, but they were

(52:01):
flipped, yeah you get a fuzzypicture yeah, yeah they were
flipped right.

ZACK (52:08):
I mean, they were when we first the very first cell phone.
Well, the second cell phonethat I had which was badass,
that no one probably remembersbut me is a Motorola.
It's called a Home and Away,and if you got within so many
feet of your house it hooked toyour landline and didn't charge
your cell phone.
But at that time I carriedthree cell phones, yeah.

BUCKY (52:30):
Can you explain?

ZACK (52:32):
why, Well, reception sucked Well you see, there's
always the one phone that youdidn't want anybody to know that
you had, but yeah.

BUCKY (52:46):
Depends on who's calling.

ZACK (52:49):
The thing is is when you turn your two phones off and
they call you on that thirdphone, that's when you begin to
wonder how they figured that oneout.
But yeah, that was a day.
I mean, that's a story all initself, right there, I mean,
that is really, and I've beendebating whether or not I'm
going to talk about that episodeor not.
I'll let you know.

BUCKY (53:09):
What episode is that?
Let me write it down.

ZACK (53:11):
That's a crazy.

JT (53:14):
The third phone probably the craziest day three phones I've
ever had being ahead of the lawexactly I mean, I think you
should I think you should havean episode just dedicated to
like just zach's crazy shit yeah, yeah there's one whole episode
when you tell stories from zach.

ZACK (53:33):
When you tell them, them on the phone, when they tell you
that this is the shit's done,hit the fan and you're in the
middle of it and you tell themback if you can't tell them
about three steps ahead of you.
They don't like that shit atall.

BUCKY (53:48):
At all but yeah anyway, yeah.
Yeah, what you was at thatanyway.
Yeah, yeah.
What year was that that had alaw?

ZACK (53:59):
Oh well, that ain't happening.
But I don't know if that everhappened.
I just remember that 1998, inSeptember of 1998, all drug
charges went to be the statuteof limitations got taken off
drug charges to be the statuteof limitations got taken off
drug charges.
So everything before 1998, ifyou had not have been arrested
for it before, then, they couldnot arrest you for it.

(54:20):
It is like a clean slate.
In the month of August, I think, I hid the whole month.
You know I was not to be found,I promise you.
So yeah, that's a true story.
Yeah, wild times.

BUCKY (54:42):
So that was 98.
And so Drake passed in 99.
Yeah.

JT (54:49):
Yeah.

BUCKY (54:51):
So you was in Wichita.

JT (54:52):
Yeah, because I saw y'all came up.
I was in Wichita for four yearsY'all came up to a party yeah,
you and Drake Bucky came up to aparty.
That place I was staying.

BUCKY (55:03):
What Not?

JT (55:04):
long before he passed away anyway.

BUCKY (55:07):
I do not remember that at all.

JT (55:10):
It was like a Halloween, like a fancy dress party.

BUCKY (55:13):
Huh, man, no, you don't remember it, I do not.
No Long time ago it was.
There's a lot of things I don'tremember.

ZACK (55:23):
Do you remember me having to hit two bullseyes there at
Clicks to win the money from?
Do you remember that?
I know you and Dave were thererooting me on, like my, I had my
own group rooting me on Seveno'clock in the morning.
We're out, we're over theredrunk, or whatever it is,
because that's the time that Igot off work.

BUCKY (55:42):
Oh yeah, you cry that yeah.

ZACK (55:45):
Yeah, crazy time.
That's back when John.

BUCKY (55:50):
Madden first came out.
The Madden game yeah.

ZACK (55:55):
That was probably 96.

BUCKY (55:59):
Yeah, I think that is right yeah.

JT (56:00):
Yeah, that was the first dude we knew that had a
PlayStation.
Yeah, I thought I was big time.

ZACK (56:08):
I was rich.
He was buying all that shit.
Cry back.
You know why did I need to goto college?
Shit, I was making more thanyou coach.
You know shit like that.

JT (56:16):
Yeah.

ZACK (56:17):
But yeah.

JT (56:18):
Yeah, I thought I was making that good money.
Had a fancy truck had aPlayStation All the man needs.

ZACK (56:25):
That's right, pizza Every day.
It's one of the only.
You know you come to ourapartment back then.
You're.
You know you come to ourapartment back then.

BUCKY (56:41):
they were not scared to ask the pizza man delivery guy
if he wanted to smoke some weed.
So JT lived with y'all.
Zach, yeah, yeah, I don'tremember coming down visiting
much at all.

ZACK (56:50):
No, I don't remember you much there either.
Eric was there quite a bit.

BUCKY (56:53):
Because my kids were real young then.

ZACK (56:59):
Eric went to school down there.
Right, yeah, right yeah for,yeah, a year or two or something
like there was some funny timesabout that shit two or three
semesters.

JT (57:04):
Yeah, yeah, that's some funny shit I've had earl, you
remember that day you kepttrying to turn off the
refrigerator because it wasmaking too much noise yeah,
everything was uh is that thesame day he locked himself in
the closet.

ZACK (57:14):
Yeah, yeah yeah yeah, I've had some wild calls man, yeah,
hey hey, I got a telephone call.
Hey, hey, what I said why areyou whispering, man?
The cops are outside.
I said okay, so what's up?
Uh, what do I do?
What I do?
I said just I do.
I said just don't answer thedoor.

(57:35):
Man, just don't answer the door.
That's when they sent therunner over the damn balcony.

BUCKY (57:46):
That was crazy, crazy Like getting ready to tie bed
sheets together and go out thewindow.

ZACK (57:51):
No, he just jumped in.
I know he just jumped in, itshould have.
Yeah, oh, corey just jumped in,it should have.
Yeah, oh, cory just jumped itright.
Yeah, he wasn't hung down anddropped yeah, craziness man,
funny as shit remember that Ihad that dog, that, uh, I had a
mini pin and that dude wildestdog man and, if he get, the door

(58:13):
was open.
It was gone, dude.
I came home, man, and thatcouches were tore up and shit.
I just opened the door hell yes, gone.
What god dang.
That dog jumped so high hecould look through the peephole
looking at you, bro.
When you come home he'd bejumping.
You can see him in the throughthe windows of the door jumping.
Wow, that dog, dude.
That dog was evil, tore.

(58:36):
All my shit up, dude.

BUCKY (58:37):
Whose dog was it?

ZACK (58:39):
It was a mini-pen.
I can't remember where I got it, where I got it from.
Oh, your dog, yeah, yeah, thatdog.
I had to open the door.
That dog was gone.
Stay gone, good.

BUCKY (58:57):
Be gone.
Yeah, yeah, man, I got someserious stories and shit, but
that was another time andanother place.
Yeah, so that was 95 to 98.
Yeah, what about JT?

ZACK (59:05):
What about when you lived in?

BUCKY (59:06):
the hood in Lubbock.
Remember you used to live overthere, across from us.
In the hood.
Yeah.
Yeah, he lived in Lubbock for awhile.
Yeah, yeah.
He moved by the time we did, buthe didn't live with us.
It was before Dave, even.
No, it was even.

ZACK (59:20):
It was before Drave at first you worked at IHOP right,
he moved up there.

BUCKY (59:24):
When GB moved there and stuff.
But you're going to school upthere.
He had probably.

JT (59:26):
No, I worked.
No, I worked at a couple ofdifferent places.
I worked at United for a coupleof days.
That's right.
That's right.

BUCKY (59:34):
He was selling plasma.
He didn't have no job for awhile.
Remember, you were sellingplasma when you passed out at a
job interview.

JT (59:41):
Yeah, I was selling plasma twice.
You passed out at a jobinterview.

BUCKY (59:45):
I was selling it twice a week.
Remember that Twice a week?
Yeah, it was like more.
He had two accounts.
They wouldn't let him donate asmuch as he was, because you
built up, you got like $25, $50.

ZACK (59:56):
You got a certain amount.
Somebody needs some blood.

BUCKY (59:58):
He went in for some job interview.
He had a good chance of gettingit, but then he passed out at
the job interview.

ZACK (01:00:04):
They're like what's wrong with that?

JT (01:00:04):
I've been donating People needing some blood and love it.

BUCKY (01:00:12):
Wake up drunk after getting the blood they would if
they'd have mine.

JT (01:00:15):
I just remember that, because all I all I did was,
when I got the money was uh, I'dgo over to dave and earl's and
we'd go get a bottle of old crownow on sixth street.

BUCKY (01:00:23):
That was a crow, that was back when it was the strip yeah
, yeah, yeah.
You had to go way out.
There it was sixth street?
it was.
Uh.
No, it was the tohoka highwayin lubbock.
I thought the strip was onsixth street, is that?
No, I was out in the country.
It's before.

ZACK (01:00:32):
That's awesome, yeah it was the Tohoka Highway in
Lubbock.
I thought the strip was on 6thStreet.

BUCKY (01:00:35):
No, it was out in the country that's Austin.
Yeah, it was all the way out oftown, dude.
It was before Lubbock was dry.
I remember where it's at.

ZACK (01:00:41):
It was dry, it looked like .

BUCKY (01:00:43):
Little Vegas.

ZACK (01:00:44):
All the neon signs.
That's where Townes Van Zandtwas walking down the hill and
the Eagles dude picked him up.
Man bars and liquor stores.

BUCKY (01:00:52):
That was like the first place.
They had big liquor stores likeyou drive through, like you
drive up and drive through Beerbarns yeah, first place I've
seen those.
They had them lined up.
Like I said, there was a coupleof titty bars.
It was out of town.
They didn't sell it nowhere,like in a little shop anywhere
except for a bar, unless youwent in for a drink at a bar.

ZACK (01:01:10):
I wouldn't know nothing about no titty bars.

BUCKY (01:01:13):
They had them out there.
I remember just them beingthere.
I never went in, mm-mm.
Not me, no titty bars.
Well, they still had them intown, but they were different.
I guess I don't know why theywere out there.
Who?

ZACK (01:01:28):
do we got in the background?
Hold on, hold on hold onSomebody's coughing in the
background.
Who do we got in?

JT (01:01:37):
the background there, Mr Thompson?
Nah, nobody here.

BUCKY (01:01:39):
Nobody that was him coughing, I think.

JT (01:01:41):
Oh man.

BUCKY (01:01:42):
No, no one's talking Coughing.

ZACK (01:01:44):
Coughing, you didn't cough .

JT (01:01:47):
That's a whole other episode right there Choked, I know you
heard that that's a whole otherepisode.

ZACK (01:01:51):
I did too.
I thought it was him.
I did too.
I thought it was a female.
I thought that I heard that itwas a female.

BUCKY (01:01:55):
Somebody else was listening.

ZACK (01:01:59):
I knew I should have never told any of them stories.
Check that WhatsApp.
Okay, so the haunting isactually.

BUCKY (01:02:07):
Who knows?
Unexplainable.
I mean I hear some birdschirping too.
It was a call, straight call, Iknow.
Yeah, are you sitting outside,jt, or where are you at?
No, no, I'm in the bedroom.

ZACK (01:02:20):
Are you on your boat?

BUCKY (01:02:22):
It sounds like.
Don't you hear birds chirping?
I thought I did a while ago.
I don't know what that is.

JT (01:02:26):
We hear like birds chirping or something you hear, geese.
Didn't you?
Yeah, I lived on a boat forabout a year.

ZACK (01:02:36):
Yeah, oh, really, yeah, when he was over there, like one
of them, long ones a narrowboat in london yeah, huh, yeah.

JT (01:02:40):
You can hear the birds, you can hear the geese outside okay,
it wasn't a it was a cough.

ZACK (01:02:44):
I'm turning around I heard that.

BUCKY (01:02:46):
I did hear that cough.
We can go back and play that.

ZACK (01:02:48):
Yeah, I'll have to listen to the you know what's that
place down there where theyactually pick the boats up and
they put them into the nextabove river, whatever.
It's only way they can do it tomove what is that to the locks
yeah?

JT (01:03:00):
that's badass yeah, it's quite cool to drive in, close
the gates and fill it up yeah,so uh, we, we have another.

ZACK (01:03:14):
How come you got deported?

BUCKY (01:03:17):
Well, like you said, 9-11 .
The Twin Towers came down.

ZACK (01:03:19):
I know, but I couldn't remember the exact reason why,
what the trouble was that he gotdeported.

BUCKY (01:03:23):
He already had a warrant, like parking shit, wasn't it?
Like he never paid some parkingtickets and he had some crazy
shit, Wasn't it?

JT (01:03:30):
No, no, no, no, no, it was a DUI.
No, no, no, no, no, it was aDUI.

BUCKY (01:03:32):
Oh, a DUI, there you go.
Well, that's driving.

JT (01:03:37):
Yeah, yeah, nah.
So it was kind of one of thosethings where I had the DUI and
before I could go, to court forit somehow.
My car caught on fire and kindof burned to a husk Somehow.

(01:03:58):
No true story.
True story no, honestly.
I was in bed and my flatmateroommate Charlie, came through
and she was like dude, yourcar's on fire.
I'm like what I ran outsidewith like a cup full of water.
I was expecting some smoke, youknow.
No, that shit was engulfed inflames like the whole thing.
I just poured the water out,went back inside nothing could

(01:04:20):
be done that was in yeah, therewas nothing to be done I forgot
about charlie yeah yeah yeah sothat's what, that's what
happened there, and then I justhad a choice to make.
I was like, well shit.

BUCKY (01:04:34):
Which car was that?

JT (01:04:35):
Where I was working, that was that Pontiac Grand Parisian,
the one I got for Ray.
Oh, big, long four-door, it wasa big boat.

BUCKY (01:04:50):
He walked out there with a cup of water to put it out.
Yeah, yeah I did.

JT (01:04:57):
I just thought she meant something was smoking.
I didn't know.
The whole thing was going to bein flames.

BUCKY (01:05:02):
What caused it to go?
I mean just overheated or no,somebody set it ablaze, I don't
know, I don't know.

JT (01:05:08):
I think someone set it on fire.

BUCKY (01:05:09):
Yeah, oh.

JT (01:05:17):
Somebody was really trying to get rid of it.
Something on the other side ofthe damn apartment complex was
going down.
Yeah well, they think it mighthave been a dude that used to
hang around with Dave, and Samcalled.

ZACK (01:05:28):
Juan, because his girlfriend was friends with
Charlie Right.
Oh, a little jealousy.

JT (01:05:31):
Juan was a bit of a Juan ended up being a bit of a
psychopath, yeah.

BUCKY (01:05:37):
Was there a window cracked or something?
They throw something inside.
It started inside the car?
Well, he probably never lockedthe door or didn't lock the door
.

JT (01:05:43):
Yeah, no, I never locked the doors, because and who would
want to steal?

BUCKY (01:05:46):
it.
Yeah, yeah, hope somebody tookit.

ZACK (01:05:48):
I've had a few rides like that.

BUCKY (01:05:53):
So that had to be what.
What year was that?
2000?

ZACK (01:05:57):
he burned the evidence in the dui.

JT (01:05:58):
That's what happened exactly , yeah, exactly, hey.
You know what?
The dui wasn't even my fault.
So I went to uh, well, I kindof was, but it wasn't well, yeah
obviously I was.
I was a bit drunk, but anyway Ididn't drive there.
This girl took me to a bar andshe got so drunk she could

(01:06:22):
barely walk, so I had to driveher car home and we passed the
cop and she stuck her head outthe window and threw up of
course, yeah.
So then we got pulled over likeLike.

BUCKY (01:06:32):
Thank you, honey.
Right Nobody went to jail, butbesides you, right, did she even
go to jail.

JT (01:06:39):
Yep, that's it.
Yeah, I didn't think so I callher a ride, Yep yep, just me Yep
.
Boy in Tarrant County huh, yeah, I got stung with it.

ZACK (01:06:48):
Tarrant County.
Yep Woo, not only have you beenin jail, you've been to the
jail in the toughest fuckingjail in the United States of
America.
You know it's one of them.
Damn sure is.
You weren't nobody's bitch thatnight.

JT (01:07:04):
I'm just kidding.
Well, I was pretty drunk when Iwent in, but I don't think so.
Yeah, you probably never madeit out of the drunk tank.
It's pretty rough there.

ZACK (01:07:13):
Yeah, you wouldn never made it out of the drunk tank.
It's pretty rough there.
Yeah, you would never plusanybody who knows?
Who JT was.
He would never be anybody'sbench.
That was just a joke, Allentertainment purposes only.

JT (01:07:24):
No, they didn't put me in the drunk tank in that one.
They put me in with the propercells, holy shit.
Yeah, yeah, like you would makeit out of there with some
tattoos and shit.
I had like my own cell.

BUCKY (01:07:41):
It felt like Oz Passing shit around the corner.

JT (01:07:44):
Without the rapings.

BUCKY (01:07:46):
That's good.

ZACK (01:07:47):
How many guys were you there?

JT (01:07:51):
Was that?
I think I was just there for aday.
I just got someone to come downto bail me out.
Damn, I think I was just therefor a day, I just got someone to
come down to bail me out.
Damn.
So it wasn't that bad.

ZACK (01:08:01):
I wouldn't want to go to Tarrant County Shit and I've
been to a bunch.

BUCKY (01:08:06):
I didn't want.

ZACK (01:08:07):
Nobody wants to go to Tarrant.

ZACK Flynn (01:08:08):
County.

BUCKY (01:08:09):
He didn't want to go.

ZACK (01:08:11):
Yeah, there's a difference .

BUCKY (01:08:13):
Damn it.
I was forced to go.

JT (01:08:17):
Yeah, the story's just kind of a line for me enough, yeah,
yeah as it turns out yeah, likehe wasn't getting the choices
were made paths were taken, wowno, of all the times I've been
an irresponsible driver growingup you were trying to get.

ZACK (01:08:34):
Yeah, I can think of a bunch of times you were
irresponsible, yeah.

JT (01:08:37):
You know what I mean, but the one time I'm actually just
trying to help someone else outis when I get done.

BUCKY (01:08:43):
Yeah, yeah, that's about right.
That sounds like what happens.

ZACK (01:08:49):
Karma Wild times.

BUCKY (01:08:52):
So that was about the end for you.
So then you had to decide topay all that money or go back
home, or what.

JT (01:09:00):
Well, no, I was just going to.
I just lost my job as well,because I was working for that
travel agency and the September11th thing had happened.

BUCKY (01:09:08):
Right.

JT (01:09:08):
And our travel agency got put out of business.

ZACK (01:09:10):
Shit, all of them did.

JT (01:09:13):
So I didn't have no car, I didn't have no job.

BUCKY (01:09:15):
It's Friday, that's it to do that's it to do.

JT (01:09:19):
It's Friday yeah.

ZACK (01:09:22):
Right.

JT (01:09:23):
So I thought I'll just go back to the UK.
Ain't nothing happening here.
Then after I moved over, theywouldn't let me back in for ages
, because I had that warrantthat's what it was, not that you
had to go back.

ZACK (01:09:35):
You went back on your own.

JT (01:09:36):
They wouldn't let you come back, yeah stuck in the middle
yeah, yeah, I tried to get itsorted for years.
I got a lawyer but they wantedme to come over and like do
probation over there.
And I was like, well, I can'tdo that.
I don't live there.
I'm going to university in adifferent country.
I can't just come and sit anddo probation for six months.
Well, it don't be fucking weirdwhat?

BUCKY (01:09:58):
was that Altarant County too?

JT (01:10:01):
yeah, I think they just eventually gave up?

ZACK (01:10:04):
Yeah, you don't even.
It's like they wrote it off thebooks, you know.

ZACK Flynn (01:10:10):
It's just so many years.

ZACK (01:10:11):
After seven years, there's statute of limitations on that.
Yeah, seven years, it's what itis Just waiting out like
something like that yeah.
It takes, however long it takesto get one off your record
seven years.

BUCKY (01:10:23):
What about when you came back and visited?
Did you have to go throughanything then?

JT (01:10:30):
Like you know, there's nothing on there like keeping
the first time when, when I cameback, when my uh, when my dad
died, when I came back through,they pulled me up and they were
like, oh, you get a warrant outfor your fight and uh, they,
they put me in the holding cellat the airport and they called
over to tarrant county and andTarrant County's.
Like man, it's Saturday night.
We got bigger things to do.

ZACK (01:10:49):
I can come get this?

JT (01:10:50):
guy, so they just let me go, oh nice.

ZACK (01:10:53):
They didn't want to come get you.
They should have ran right thenand never left.

ZACK Flynn (01:10:55):
No.

JT (01:10:57):
So yeah, so I got away with that one.
Well, shit you, probably shityour pants and finally they just
gave up A little bit.
We were going to Red River thenext day.

BUCKY (01:11:08):
Yeah, so I mean it's fucking up your plans.
I mean you weren't expectingthat, huh.
I'm tapped.

JT (01:11:15):
Yeah, my phone is tapped, Absolutely so what do you do for
a living now, Justin?
I work offshore on a deep-seadiving boat.

BUCKY (01:11:27):
Yeah, you're the arian, basically yeah, you like watch
this decompress I'm a I'm a lifesupport technician like life
support keep chambers, yeah yeah, basically I gotta keep it I
gotta keep the

JT (01:11:41):
guy a pressure that's equivalent with the depth of
their diving yeah they kind oflive in there for a month.

BUCKY (01:11:47):
They've been down there like undersea welding, ain't
they Like?
They're like welders and shitor what.

JT (01:11:53):
Yeah, yeah.

BUCKY (01:11:54):
Like they're working underwater.

ZACK (01:11:54):
Some of them are welders, I mean, some of them are
searching for gold.
Basically they Pirate treasure.

JT (01:11:58):
They do welding, underwater construction like that, but they
, they live on the boats and we,we put gas, we put oxygen and
helium in I bet those you're ona hey you're not.

BUCKY (01:12:11):
So you're like on a platform, like an offshore rig,
or what are you like on a boat?

JT (01:12:15):
no, no, no, I'm on a boat you ever had anybody die hope
not nope, not there in thehospital.

ZACK (01:12:23):
Yeah, that's good, not there right, right, oh, but yeah
, but what it was caused frombeing too deep or what getting
hurt or something well, yeah, itcould be, you could you get
hurt.

JT (01:12:35):
I mean, people have had, uh, heart attacks in the water or
stuff okay, I'm just, I'mlooking for job.

ZACK (01:12:41):
You know, possible jobs.
You know, I bet they get, know,I bet they get paid.
Well, I guarantee they get paid.

BUCKY (01:12:47):
Well, super paid.
He's like on half the time.
We do like 30 days out thereand then 30 days home.

ZACK (01:12:52):
I want to be the diver though.

BUCKY (01:12:55):
Oh yeah.

JT (01:12:55):
Yeah.

BUCKY (01:12:56):
Do that?
Undersea welding, welding thepipelines and shit.

ZACK Flynn (01:13:05):
I can't weld.

JT (01:13:06):
Zach could end up punching someone if he was a diver Do
what now?
Zach could end up punchingsomeone if he was a diver.
He can be locked in the 10-camwith someone for 30 days with
six people in there that youdon't like.

ZACK (01:13:19):
Oh hell, no, Well, I've did that for years.
Hold on, I've done that foryears already.

BUCKY (01:13:28):
That does sound like a they didn't pay as well, oh hell
no hell of a vacation neededsome time off, didn't you?
so you spend half your time on aboat out there.
That's all your work time isn'tright and you're like 30 on, 30
off JT.

JT (01:13:49):
Well, sometimes I'm three weeks on, sometimes I'm three
weeks on three weeks off, orfour weeks on four weeks off.
It depends on whether I'mworking here or Norway.
That's Norway, I got differentrules for how long you can stay
on.

ZACK (01:14:01):
Yeah, you're in Norway right now.

JT (01:14:03):
Yeah, I've been there.
No, I'm not in Norway.
No, I'm outside of Aberdeen now.

ZACK (01:14:08):
Have you come across any Vikings yet?
I'm just saying Any Vikings.

JT (01:14:13):
Well, I work with a few Norwegians.
I think they're Vikings.
I bet yeah, we keep tellingthem they're not.
We're like oh, the Vikings left.

BUCKY (01:14:25):
You're the farmers that stay behind.

JT (01:14:27):
They don't like that I bet they don't like it.
No, they don't like it.
No, I've worked all over.
I've worked in the Congo,Angola, Vietnam.

BUCKY (01:14:38):
Damn.

JT (01:14:39):
It's been alright.

ZACK (01:14:40):
You've seen the world, I've gone around a bit.
Do you ever get to go to theshore?

JT (01:14:46):
Yeah, I did in Africa and Vietnam.
I was only there for a day inVietnam, on shore.

ZACK (01:14:52):
I made the most of it.
Yeah, I bet you did.

JT (01:15:00):
I made the most of it.
Some pretty good stories aboutAfrica as well, but I can't
really say them on a podcast.

ZACK (01:15:06):
Yeah, you sure you can't Congo.
That's not just anywhere inAfrica we won't cut them out,
but we can.

ZACK Flynn (01:15:14):
I'm just kidding.

ZACK (01:15:14):
I'm just playing.
You don't have to.

BUCKY (01:15:17):
You don't have to depends on how bad they are.
Well, we're going to have apersonal edit, a real, a
personal reel.
Oh, a real, a personal reel.

ZACK (01:15:29):
Oh yeah.

BUCKY (01:15:30):
Unedited version.

JT (01:15:32):
Yeah, yeah, that's what my girlfriend, when she was
laughing about it because it wason bed one night, I was like,
yeah, you know this.
One time I accidentally smokedcrack in Africa that we got from
a prostitute.
How do you?

ZACK Flynn (01:15:51):
accidentally smoke crack, though.

BUCKY (01:15:53):
I'm just wondering how do you accidentally smoke crack
Like smoke this joint?

JT (01:15:57):
We thought it was speed.
Yeah, we thought it was speed.
Then she took a giant shit inmy toilet.
It was a very weird night.

BUCKY (01:16:08):
That sounds pretty crazy.

ZACK (01:16:10):
I think I've heard enough, yeah.

JT (01:16:15):
They're wild over there.
They just wait for the offshorepeople.
They just wait for the offshorepeople to arrive.
They call them night fighters,these prostitutes, and it's like
someone at the hotel rings likethe head woman, and they all
just descend on the right at thehotel.
You got to fight them off.
You got to fight them off.

BUCKY (01:16:35):
You got to fight through them.
I'm trying to get to my room,miss Like.
No, you got to go.
Smoke this.

ZACK (01:16:42):
They come knocking on your door right.

JT (01:16:45):
Yeah, they follow you up to your room.

ZACK (01:16:47):
I bet that's some good shit You're going to get rid of
them.

BUCKY (01:16:51):
You don't got to Most I mean, you know.

ZACK (01:16:54):
I mean, how long is it before you get rid of them?

BUCKY (01:16:56):
Yeah, that's what we're trying to ask.
Yeah, after two hours you'relike got to go man.

ZACK (01:17:00):
Shit, they're lying.

BUCKY (01:17:07):
Don to him say two hours.
I'm sure they're great.
Two minutes, that's the onetime in my life, right, it's
been a long time since it's beenthat time.

ZACK (01:17:11):
I promise.
Oh man, we're accepting calls.
Now Go ahead and call aboutthis subject, If you have a
story about prostitutes andinternational crack deals.
Right, that's hilarious.

BUCKY (01:17:30):
That is very good.

JT (01:17:32):
It was an accident.

BUCKY (01:17:33):
Yeah, you didn't know what happened.
You're the first person I'veever met.
Didn't plan on that.
It just turned out that way.

ZACK (01:17:38):
Accidentally Exactly let's just play on word when you said
you smoked crack, you couldhave smoked the crack.

JT (01:17:44):
Accidentally.
What was that?

ZACK (01:17:48):
I think crack.
You could have smoked the crackaccidentally.
It was that.
Yeah, I think there's twototally different ways you smoke
crack and smoke speed.
I mean, you weren't outsidebreaking antennas off and shit
were you, wasn't what.
Outside breaking antennas offvehicles were you, you know no,
that was in the Congo, you sayyeah, that one was in the Congo.

(01:18:10):
Yeah, wow that's where that wasalright that's where Walter
worked.
A bunch was down around Africaand stuff, wasn't it?

JT (01:18:20):
yeah, he worked in Africa.
Sometimes he was in Syria for awhile, in China in the Middle.

BUCKY (01:18:24):
East.
He was all over the place inthe Middle East a lot, wasn't he
yeah?

JT (01:18:29):
Yeah.

ZACK (01:18:29):
I just remember him saying that I remember when he worked
in Syria.

JT (01:18:32):
You had to take a bulletproof vest with him to
work.

BUCKY (01:18:33):
Yeah, that don't sound like fun.
He worked for the old companies,so he got that paycheck.
Yeah, With that yeah.

JT (01:18:43):
Yeah yeah, yeah well, I mean allegedly got that paycheck.
We didn't see very much heclaims I made money he hid that
shit putting it away yeah, hedid yeah, oh yeah, absolutely I
like to tell people by the timeI like to tell people by the

(01:19:04):
time that do take me to get newshoes.
When my mom was living backover in the uk, they split up
time that I do take me to getnew shoes.
My mom was living back over inthe UK.
They split up for a while.
He took me to Payless shoestores to get shoes, which is
one thing, but he made me choosethem from the bargain bucket.
Now these shoes were not thesame shoe.

ZACK (01:19:23):
They looked similar.
Wow.

JT (01:19:30):
Tight ass motherfucker.
They looked similar but theywere not the same shoe.
It's like agent orange.

BUCKY (01:19:32):
I took a hat coveralls from work at home.

JT (01:19:34):
Remember when he worked in the yard, he wore his work
clothes, yeah, yeah, agentorange that's why we called him
agent orange wasn't that missdonahue that told us he was a
spy?

BUCKY (01:19:45):
I don't know yeah, I think.
So, I think she.

JT (01:19:49):
She told one of the classes he was a spy anyway you're
definitely not alone.

ZACK (01:19:53):
I think somebody's lying to us here.
Definitely something going onin the background there, right?

JT (01:19:59):
yeah, oh no, my, my girlfriend just kind of came in
the door went back out now.

ZACK (01:20:07):
Why'd you try to make me think it was a ghost while ago?

BUCKY (01:20:10):
No, it was like a weird phone delay.
That's pretty weird.
Yeah, we started picking upsome voices on here.

ZACK (01:20:20):
Well, you start talking about smoking crack in the Congo
ain't no telling what's goingto happen.

JT (01:20:26):
There's got to be some disproven ghosts in the house.

ZACK (01:20:29):
That's the CK story.

BUCKY (01:20:31):
Yeah, there's definitely some ghosts around here, yeah.

JT (01:20:37):
Y'all going to camp out over there one night and see what
you can see.

ZACK (01:20:41):
Oh yeah, that's when we're big-timing on video though.

BUCKY (01:20:45):
I've stayed the night in here a couple times already.
Not on that side, though Notjust out in the hospital.
No, hell, no.

ZACK (01:20:51):
I would.
I'd go in there and just have agood time.

BUCKY (01:20:54):
Sleep in one of them.
Beds, hospital beds.
Yeah, why not?

ZACK (01:20:58):
I would I don't know, we'd have to pick a day.
But, I mean I ain't scared, Iain't saying I ain't yeah, it's
a possibility that when I get inthere, I might be scared I have
to be a badass ghost, all Iknow.

BUCKY (01:21:14):
Yeah, well, I don't know.
I ain't scared of it.

ZACK Flynn (01:21:16):
I mean, I'd be anxious.
There is no such thing asghosts.
I'm not saying that, what?

BUCKY (01:21:19):
the fuck do you mean?
But they tried to interact withme.
I'd say yeah right, right right.
But no, I'd do it.
I'd do it With full knowledge.
I think it'd be something Iwould no I ain't going to say
we're not going over therehaving a seance or anything.

ZACK (01:21:38):
We're going to have a special episode for JT to come
back and then that's when we'regoing to do it, when JT comes
back.
Or yeah, that'd be a reason tocome back.
I think, yeah, I'll come backspend that note.

BUCKY (01:21:52):
I would love for you to come back now.

JT (01:21:53):
What are you thinking about sometime visiting jt, uh I was
kind of hoping to come backlater in the year there you go.

ZACK (01:22:02):
Oh hell, really, hell.
Yeah, that'd be great Like nextfall again Like homecoming
again.

JT (01:22:11):
Yeah, yeah, something like that.
I'm going to try and spend moretime in Jalakand this time.
I only got down for like onenight last time.

ZACK (01:22:16):
Right when it's not so freaking hot.

BUCKY (01:22:18):
And that'd probably be a good time to see folks you know.
Yeah.
Some people are around, I'll gettogether, earl, some people are
around.
I'll get together.

JT (01:22:26):
Earl's kid almost shot me.

BUCKY (01:22:28):
Yeah, you're lucky, you didn't at that point.
Yeah, it just so happened thatI think the weapons were removed
from my house at that time.
Right, I ain't shitting you.
He showed up at my house atlike 4 am.
Hey, man Came in the door.
Oh, he came in.
Nobody answered the door.
Somebody came in Because nobodyanswered the door, so he came
in.

ZACK (01:22:46):
He just walked in your house, jt, yeah.

BUCKY (01:22:49):
And RJ was still here, then RJ would have shot his ass.

ZACK (01:22:51):
I didn't know.
He just walked in though.
Yeah, there's no way he knewwho Justin was you know.

BUCKY (01:22:55):
No, he didn't, he still didn't.

JT (01:23:12):
That's why he came out in the street, because he was like
don't, don't, don't, and jtcomes like under the door yeah,
they left my house.
Yeah, yeah, it's like 4 am yeah, three, four, yeah yeah, they
said don't, don't, don't, buthe's the one that stopped the
truck outside.
Well, yeah, he, he took youover.

BUCKY (01:23:17):
Yeah, I wasn't driving he wasn't gonna knock on the door,
yeah yeah that's when we were.
Yeah, oh hell, I didn'trecognize now when I first came
in the door, it's just some bigdude in the door I had.
No, he fucking had a beard andcrazy hair and shit.
Took me a minute because evenwhen he's talking to me he's
talking even more cockney thanthat sounded like.

(01:23:38):
I was like wait a minute.
Oh yeah, he was telling me whohe was like three times probably
.
How many times you tell me whoyou were before I got?
Well, I mean, he wasn't afucking sleep at three, four in
the morning too but yeah, no, Iwon't forget that.
That's a memory jt made yeah,and not that long ago.

ZACK (01:23:56):
No, yeah, the cool thing is everybody stayed up with with
him after that yeah, we did.

BUCKY (01:24:00):
We stayed up till about 5 , 30 or 6, so yeah drinking in
the yard.

JT (01:24:06):
I mean obviously my memory.
My memory just flashed back to94-95 where you could just go
and do that, go knock onsomeone's house, oh, yeah,
absolutely oh yeah, you had noqualms.

BUCKY (01:24:16):
I mean it's been.

ZACK (01:24:18):
It's been a couple times.
David's come all the way out tothe farm and slept with the
dogs.

BUCKY (01:24:21):
You know him and him and Duke out there fucking camped
out in the front yard.
He just walks up and comes inlike he'd been there the other
day, you know.

ZACK (01:24:33):
Yeah, like it was five minutes ago.
Hold on, I left my phone inside.
Yeah, like he left something.

BUCKY (01:24:37):
Just comes on in.

ZACK (01:24:40):
In the kitchen cooking.

BUCKY (01:24:42):
It was somebody else's house from last, you knew, huh.

ZACK (01:24:45):
I thought Christy still lived here.

BUCKY (01:24:49):
He was looking for Leland and Cinny.
Yeah, like I said, I barelyrecognize him, much less anybody
else knew who the hell this wasat my house, anyway, yeah.
Yeah.

JT (01:25:08):
That's how things go Well we just left Zach's as well.
Yeah, I think I'd already beentrying to go to sleep in Zach's
house.
So Zach's like nah, you can'tcome in, man, my dog will eat
you.

ZACK (01:25:16):
That's a fact.
That's the bad thing about myhouse.
If you don't belong there, ifyou ain't me or my wife, your
ass is in trouble, the dog willeat your ass yes, she sure will
dare you.
Oh, that's a good dog, notfriendly.
Still stuck your window, stillstuck your hand in the window,
didn't you?
You know who I'm talking about.
You still stuck your hand inthe window, didn't you pull that

(01:25:39):
hand back?
Oh, that is a good dog, that'swhat I told you she's.
It's an emotional support dogfor me, but for anybody else
she's a fucking nightmare.
She ain't a big dog, she's alittle dog.

BUCKY (01:25:54):
I've seen her.

JT (01:25:55):
As long as she works for you .

BUCKY (01:25:58):
All right, JT, I think we're about to what I think
Zach's got to go right.
Yes, I do, Zach's got to go.

JT (01:26:04):
We got to go.
I don't even know if we'veactually talked about Drake, but
A little.

ZACK (01:26:10):
That's another phone call.

BUCKY (01:26:12):
We'll have to try again yeah, we can make it.
Yeah, we'll get together againsometime and put it together.
We've proved this.
Yeah yeah, this isn'timpossible.
We've proved we can you.

ZACK (01:26:21):
You know pretty much that we've just you know I've decided
that.
You know we've got a decent fanbase out there that just wants
to hear some funny shit.
So you know, and quit cuttingout cuss words yeah well, we
just try to take it and just letit go.
They're like I want to hear onea week.
I'm like we've got like a yearand a half worth of shit.

(01:26:43):
We could actually you know,that's how we do it.
Yeah, a year and a half worthof shit, we could actually, you
know, but yeah, I think you'reright, man.

JT (01:26:48):
I think people just kind of want to be entertained.
They like the it's surprising.

ZACK (01:26:52):
Yeah, it was surprising, yeah.

BUCKY (01:26:54):
Well, and we have a connection to the Chilicothe
people.
It's funny how far that goesjust to knock us crossing over
years and people.

ZACK (01:27:00):
Yeah, it's just people, and it's the people that's not
from Chillicothe, the ones thathave been talking to me because
it's different place, differenttime it is you know and that's
the crazy.
You know you get to thinkingabout.
You know how the differencebetween us and our parents are.
You know it's insane.

BUCKY (01:27:21):
You're not going back to either world anymore.
You know what?

ZACK (01:27:23):
never, nope, nope.
Things will never be the sameback to either world anymore.
You know what?
Never, nope, nope, nope.

BUCKY (01:27:32):
Things will never be the same.
All right, jt got deported.
Things will never be the same.
That'll be the name of thisepisode, right?

ZACK (01:27:37):
Deportation yeah.

BUCKY (01:27:39):
Deported, but not forgotten.

ZACK (01:27:41):
Were they called ISIS.

BUCKY (01:27:41):
Yeah, 9-11.
Got all started.

ZACK (01:27:48):
Self-deportation.
I mean, I understand why yougot deported.
Now we're talking aboutcracking the Congo.
Isn't that the crack we werethinking about when you said the
Philippines?

JT (01:28:02):
There's more stories.
When I came from.

ZACK (01:28:04):
I know there is.
I want to hear them too.
To be honest with you.

BUCKY (01:28:07):
Ah shit, we'll call you again.
Uh, jt for sure.
Yeah, you know your name.
Your name will be brought upquite a bit.
Damn every episode so far.

ZACK (01:28:17):
you know I love you, so take care yeah man, I love you
boys, All right man, I likehearing you on the podcast.

BUCKY (01:28:26):
Yeah, keep it up, keep listening and sharing to whoever
you can.

ZACK (01:28:29):
We're going to do a podcast in the nude.
We're just waiting for this.
It's called the.
Nudist Podcast.
That's just for entertainmentpurposes oh yeah, we're not
going to be the one in the nude.

BUCKY (01:28:43):
Wait a second.
I don't know why you took itthat way more congo stories.

JT (01:28:46):
Give me a call back oh, we're definitely gonna oh, we're
gonna be calling you.

BUCKY (01:28:49):
Yeah, we'll call you back , jt for sure you can uh explain
them in more detail we'll comesee us, dude, come see us.
Make that plan to come, actuallybecause, like oh, yeah, we'll
have you live.
Yeah, we can have live yeah,we'll sit in, do one yeah wait a
second, that'd be good.
Yeah, definitely, definitely,what'd you say?

JT (01:29:05):
it's recording you can feed, you can feed me a 12 pack of
natural light.
Everyone can see the real menatural light I know that's
right back with $7.30 a case.

ZACK (01:29:16):
sometimes we need to see the real you.

BUCKY (01:29:18):
Yeah, alright, jt.
Well, I appreciate the call,man, and uh, we'll be getting
back, take care of yourself.

ZACK (01:29:25):
This is the.
This is the.

BUCKY (01:29:27):
This is the B and the E.
And the.
Z with the JT yeah.

ZACK Flynn (01:29:32):
Be easy JT.

JT (01:29:34):
Yeah, Be easy boys.

ZACK Flynn (01:29:36):
All right, all right , all right, I mean, that looks

(01:30:01):
good.
And with a cry in his voice anda tear in his eyes.

ZACK (01:30:10):
I heard every word the man had to say.

ZACK Flynn (01:30:18):
He said I lost my wife and I couldn't stop getting
high and the lies caught upwith me.
And when she left, she took theonly thing that meant anything

(01:30:39):
to me, and with those baby blueeyes and that smile, that smile,
this year she turned three.
You better grab a hold ofsomething, something to grab a
hold of you, and don't ask aquestion if you can't take the

(01:31:03):
truth, because I'm just areflection of you.
He said I'm just a reflectionOf you.
Oh Lord, oh Lord.

(01:31:27):
Well, I could see thedesperation in his eyes.
Each deep breath it took forhim to breathe and every word he
said hit home with me.
I felt like a blind man couldnow see.

(01:31:50):
And then, the more I stared,the more I realized that the man
standing there in front of me,hell, he was just a reflection
of me.
I said just a reflection of me.

(01:32:14):
You see, I lost my wife.
I couldn't stop getting high andthe lights caught up with me
and when she left she took theonly thing that meant anything

(01:32:42):
to me, to me, and with thosebaby blue eyes and that smile
that's mine.
This year she turned three.
You better grab a hold ofsomething close.
I'll grab a hold of you.
Don't ask a question if youcan't take the truth, cause it

(01:33:07):
might be a question.
If you can't take the truth,cause it might be a reflection
of you.
I said it might be a reflectionOf you, of you.
I love you, oh, I love you, yousee.

(01:33:32):
I looked at myself in the mirrorFor the first time in a long
time today and I had to take astep back Cause I swear.

ZACK (01:33:50):
I didn't recognize my own fate.
Guitar solo.