June 5, 2025 • 24 mins
What happens when a lifetime of theological wisdom gets transmitted from one generation to the next? Mark Ross and Emily Woodard's podcast "I Ask My Dad" offers a compelling answer—and a model for families seeking deeper spiritual connections.
The father-daughter duo never intended to create a podcast. As Emily explains, friends had long suggested that her father's biblical teaching should be recorded, but it wasn't until she needed content for a Bible reading group that the idea took root. What began as a modest plan for "10-minute episodes" quickly evolved into a weekly commitment that has now produced over 75 episodes exploring Scripture chronologically and tackling systematic theology.
Their conversation reveals the beautiful dynamic at the heart of intergenerational faith transmission. Emily's thoughtful questions—often drawn from her experience teaching women at church—push her father to explore Scripture from fresh angles. Mark, drawing on 40 years of pastoral teaching experience, provides insights that satisfy both intellectual curiosity and spiritual hunger. Both admit they've grown through the experience, with Mark noting, "It's been a delight to be pushed in ways that I wouldn't have been pushed had I been left to myself."
For listeners feeling disconnected or intimidated by Scripture, they offer practical wisdom gained from experience. Mark points to the Psalms as evidence that periods of spiritual disconnection are normal, not necessarily signs of failure. Emily encourages those intimidated by Bible reading to remember that even teachers once had to learn, suggesting resources like Bible Project videos alongside trusted mentors. Both emphasize the importance of community in spiritual growth—reaching out to others who might feel equally disconnected often becomes the path to renewed connection.
What started as biblical teaching has unexpectedly modeled how families can discuss faith across generations. As Emily puts it, "I hope it is an example of people being able to talk within their family about faith, doctrine, and how theology impacts what we believe and how we live together." Their closing thought captures the enduring value of Scripture engagement: "The Word of God doesn't return void, so any effort put forth will reap benefits."
Wondering how to deepen theological conversations in your own family? Listen to "I Ask My Dad" on all major podcast platforms and discover how cross-generational dialogue transforms both understanding and faith.
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Erin Kay (00:01):
Alright.
So we are back with one of ourepisodes for our summer series.
We have Mark Ross with us andEmily Woodard, and why don't you
guys just share a little bitabout who you are and how you
are connected to the Ben Lippencommunity?
Emily Ross Woodard (00:17):
So I am Emily Ross Woodard.
I'm a graduate of the class of1999 from Ben Lippen School and
a parent of a graduate from 2023and 2025.
And I'm currently serving onthe Ben Lippen School Board.
Mark Ross (00:34):
And I'm her Dad, and I'm the parent of a graduate and
a grandparent About to be twograduates.
Erin Kay (00:40):
So we are recording a podcast here today.
However, you two have a podcastof your own, so what inspired
you two to start a podcast?
Emily Ross Woodard (00:51):
You know, I think, well, I think it's, I
mean it's you because a lot ofpeople have wanted to have more
of your teaching, I think kindof on record and on demand, as
it were.
And so I think people haveposed the idea of a podcast to
my dad a number of times overthe last number of years and
he's I mean he's always beensuper busy and not super
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interested in that.
Mark Ross (01:14):
Not technologically inclined.
Emily Ross Woodard (01:16):
Yes, but my husband, Robby, had started a
podcast of his own and then kindof got into the podcast
producing space and,providentially, we also then
began living with my parents.
So we were all in the samehouse and I had done a Bible
reading plan with a group offriends in 2023.
And we were nearing the end ofthe year and kind of texting and
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deciding whether we were goingto do it again, and I had a few
friends that said, well, I'dlove to do the reading again.
I don't know if I'm going tolisten to the podcast that went
along with it, and I was sittingat the table we were
remembering this yesterday, butsitting at the table with my
husband and my dad and I askedmy dad if he would be interested
in just recording a little bitof content about a Bible reading
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plan if we read it over.
Actually, I looked back at theGroupMe message and I initially
told my friends that we weregoing to do a 10-minute podcast.
Oh, you did, yeah, which didn'thappen.
But I think the funny thingabout all of that is this
occurred on December the 29th,which was a Friday, and so we
recorded the next episode onDecember the 30th, a Saturday,
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and that became the first.
We've now done 75 episodes, sowe've released an episode every
Saturday since then.
So we did a year ofchronological reading through
the scriptures and then thisyear we've been doing a topical
study in systematic theology.
Erin Kay (02:39):
Now you mentioned that part of the intent was to
capture the teaching voice ofMark over here.
Emily Ross Woodard (02:46):
Yeah.
Erin Kay (02:47):
So tell me a little bit about that teaching.
You must be a teacher somewhere.
Mark Ross (02:52):
Well, I was 20 years a pastor and most of my work in
the church.
I was not a senior pastor, Iwas mainly a teacher, and so I
did lots of Bible studies.
I'm, in fact, doing a men'sBible study that's now in its
40th year meeting at the samehome, etc.
So I've done a lot of teachingand the church has recorded a
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lot of things.
This itself began because shealready had a group of ladies
that wanted to read through theBible day by day, you know,
through the whole Bible on achronological plan that they had
followed the year before.
They had been listening to ateacher, and they just wanted to
do something a little differentthis time around, not just go
back over the same curriculumthey already had.
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And so they told me I should dothis.
Well, it wasn't my idea of whatI thought I ought to be
devoting myself to, but as wegot into it more and more, I
finally relented and we decidedto do it.
After that, it was just catchingup to having thrown your hat
over the wall.
We never really had theopportunity in that first year
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to work ahead, and there were acouple of times when she was in
Florida and I was in SouthCarolina and we had to do it
over Zoom and things like that.
We didn't have the benefit ofRobbie every week, but I suppose
we only were without Robbiethree or four times out of the
52.
So there was already a smallaudience there and I was happy
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to help these ladies along.
I love to teach the Bible andI'd done Bible survey in the
church for 10 years, but I'dnever done it on a calendar year
.
My last time through I'd donesix years and I was eager to do
something that was a bit moreconcise, that might be a bit
more digestible to most people.
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So that's how we got started.
Erin Kay (04:43):
And what's the name of your podcast?
Emily Ross Woodard (04:46):
I Ask my Dad .
I have done some teaching atour church as well, in Sunday
schools, and that kind of becamea phrase that I would use over
and over again, because, as Iwould prepare for a study or
some kind of seminar orsomething, I would always call
my dad the night before and askhim all the questions I had
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about the Bible or differentdoctrines or that passage in
particular.
And so, as the idea came up andwe were batting things around,
that seemed to be the one thatkind of stuck.
Mark Ross (05:20):
That was the attractive thing for me.
I just loved those times ofsitting with her.
She would have already done alot of study, had questions, she
was eager to tie thingstogether, et cetera.
I just loved that interactionwith her, and so doing that on a
weekly basis was veryattractive to me.
To work with my daughter mydaughter being a very eager
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student of the Bible as well asa very competent teacher of the
Bible it's just a great joy.
Emily Ross Woodard (05:50):
Well, yeah, I think in the pilot episode or
maybe I don't know if it wasmaybe a trailer or something,
but I mentioned kind of wantingto share my favorite theological
resource with people, which wasmy dad, and so you know, being
able to kind of ask him eitherquestions that I had already
asked him years ago that meant alot to me when he answered them
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or new questions that came up.
Being able to kind of havethose and then share with
friends was great as well.
Erin Kay (06:19):
Is there a particular episode that really stood out to
you so far, one that you hopethat listeners will not miss?
Emily Ross Woodard (06:27):
I asked him that yesterday he said well, I
don't listen to them.
Actually, I do have a couplethat I think have just stuck out
to me One from thechronological plan which was in
2024.
And I think it was week 33 ofthe plan, which covered a good
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bit of Jeremiah.
And so just hearing my dad kindof talk through really just
kind of the overarching picturebehind Jeremiah and what that
prophet is called to go throughand then how he kind of related
it to struggles that we face andthe promises that the Lord
gives us through those, I thinkthat was a really meaningful one
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from that season.
And then, along the same vein,I think my favorite one we've
done so far this year was partfour in the doctrine of God, god
, where we talked about God'sprovidence and we spent a lot of
time in Job of trial andsuffering.
To have that wisdom andexperience, to kind of explain
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what Scripture is teaching us inthose spots, has been really
helpful.
So that was one that stuck outto me this year that I kind of
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shared outside of the normal waythat we post it and stuff.
Erin Kay (08:01):
Now, Emily, have you learned anything new or have any
new appreciations for your dadthrough doing this podcast?
Emily Ross Woodard (08:08):
Yeah, oh yeah, of course I mean Scripture
, you know, is an unending placeto mine treasure, and so I
think I've definitely learnednew things.
I think I've relearned thingsthat I thought I knew before,
and then to come across themagain and ask the same question
again.
And you know, just rememberthat we're our fallen minds
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can't contain everything that welearn.
And yeah, and I think, justlearning too to kind of see how
my dad will organize histhoughts and we do kind of a
run-through before we approachan episode, so that's been
helpful as well, just to kind ofsee what the highlights are,
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especially this year, I think,as we're doing doctrines and
systems in theology, to see,okay, what are the main points
in this that people should knowabout, and that's been really
helpful for me.
What about you?
Mark Ross (09:08):
Well, as I said, she comes with very good questions
by the time we sit down to talkthrough an episode.
She has really worked over thepassage quite a bit, and so I'm
sometimes struck by the factthat she's asking a question
that I might not have beenasking had I been, you know,
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starting in on the task and Ihadn't been thinking along that
line.
But you know she comes out ofher experience, especially
teaching in a women's context.
It's been a delight to bepushed in ways that I wouldn't
have been pushed had I been leftto myself.
Erin Kay (09:49):
Yes, I love that and thinking about how, no matter
what season we are in our lives,we always have room to continue
to grow and grow in ourunderstanding of the living word
.
So what encouragement would yougive to students who may feel
disconnected or uncertain intheir faith journey?
Mark Ross (10:12):
Well, first of all, there's many causes as to why
students might feel disconnected, and some are feeling
disconnected because they are.
They haven't really putthemselves into the place where
they can connect.
They've held back, maybe theydon't attend regularly, etc.
So to be connected they've gotto be coming and putting it in.
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But at the same time, the bookof Psalms would let us know that
there are oftentimes people ofGod don't feel connected to God
or to others round about them.
We have many, many Psalms thatspeak of the struggles of the
faith, and I think one of thelessons that you learn from the
book of Psalms and readingthrough the book of Psalms is
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that those times do come.
They're not always anindication that you've messed up
in some way and you haveyourself to blame.
God may be taking you into thatterritory quite deliberately to
teach you new things.
So the second thing is topersevere.
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You trust God.
You trust God.
He tells you that, inconnectedness with other
Christians, he will be at workbecause they bring gifts into
your life, as you bring a giftor two into their lives, and
it's only, as Paul says inEphesians, chapter 4, when each
part of the body of Christ doesits part that the body is able
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to build itself up in love.
So it's important for us to beconnected, to be connected to
other Christians in the life ofthe church, and if we're not
feeling that, then, in trustbefore God, we continue to
persevere after that, givingourselves to it, prayerfully,
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approaching it and looking forit.
And sometimes one of the bestways to make a connection with a
body that we are feelingdisconnected from is to look
very closely, because there'sprobably other people who are
feeling in the same way.
And if you reach out to makesomebody else feel connected,
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who seems to have been pushed tothe side, you'll often find
times that that's the way thatGod begins to connect you is
reaching out to meet the need ofanother, rather than always
sitting back and thinking thatyour need is not being met.
Look for someone else's need tomeet.
Emily Ross Woodard (12:45):
Yeah, I think I would add too and
thinking specifically of BenLippen's students to lean into
the training and the educationthat they've gotten, about the
importance of being in the Wordand reading their Bibles and
going through with the spiritualdisciplines.
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I mean, my daughter was in aclass this year a Bible class
that walked through thespiritual disciplines, and I
think a lot of the students canunderstand, I mean, exactly what
you were talking about, dad,with just continuing to do the
things that the Lord has set outfor us to do, to feel connected
to the body of Christ infellowship and prayer and
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reading scripture.
And you know, our faith iscertainly not only an academic
exercise or, you know, anintellectual ascent to doctrines
, but it is also that, and so Ithink our students have been
trained really well and whereour feelings and our emotions
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may vary and change, you know tocontinue walking in the path
that has been shown to them bytheir parents and their pastors
and their teachers here.
You know that can reap benefitswhen we discipline ourselves,
and so I think that's really oneof the benefits of kids coming
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here and having not only Bibleclasses but teachers that
reinforce that in any disciplineas well.
I think it's important forstudents to remember to do what
they've been taught and, whilethey may not feel the same
excitement all the time abouttheir faith journey, when they
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stay in the Word, when they'repraying, when they're
fellowshipping with others, whenthey're attending worship, that
feeling will come question howwould you encourage a student or
a group of students who theyfeel intimidated by reading the
Scripture, whether it's in itsentirety, or they get to the big
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section with all the names andthe lineage and they can't
pronounce the people's names andthey just get lost.
Erin Kay (15:00):
What would be your encouragement to that student?
Mark Ross (15:03):
Well, I think being a part of a group in study helps
that quite a bit.
I think that's God's intent forus.
He has some people in the bodyof Christ who are more gifted at
teaching the Bible, helpingothers to understand the Bible,
than others.
Others have other gifts andtheirs are just as important to
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the body of Christ, but Godintends us to learn and to grow
corporately, so to get involvedin a good Bible study, to be in
a good Bible class here atBentlip, and my wife and I have
just been very thankful to God.
We had the opportunity forEmily to come here and now for
our grandchildren to come here.
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We have seen great fruit intheir lives for that.
I think, frankly, the need forChristian students to be in a
place like this is probably moreurgent now than it was.
I mean, emily was eager to gethere to get out of the public
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school that she was in at thetime and we're thankful to God.
A board member here took aspecial interest in us, was a
member of our church and madethat possible for us to make
that move.
But I think the culturalclimate, the spiritual warfare
that's going on, I think it'smuch more intense today we're
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just worlds apart between theChristian church and where the
world is, and that shows up inpublic education etc.
So I think it's criticallyimportant to have our kids in a
place where they can be nurturedin their faith, where what is
being taught in the home will bereinforced in the school and
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they'll have the opportunity toparticipate in athletic teams or
drama events or things likethat with kids who come from the
families that are alsocommitted to that same thing.
There's infinite variety in thebody of Christ.
Not everybody is cut from acookie cutter that is here, but
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that's part of the beauty of thechurch and the body of Christ.
But it's wonderful to have aunity in Christ, that there's a
common ground upon which we arebuilding as we try to raise our
children together.
Emily Ross Woodard (17:23):
I think for students that are intimidated
too and certainly I mean we allrun across this, whether it's
somebody that shows up at churchthat doesn't have a church
background, or students thatcome here and really haven't
been exposed to a lot of whatthey're going to learn in their
Bible classes and that kind ofthing I mean I think maybe it's
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more of an encouragement for therest of us to remember that we
all had to learn that too.
You know, I think just thinkingback to our podcast, the first
few episodes, I think I wasreally unsteady because I kept
thinking well, I don't wantpeople to think I'm asking this
question for the first time, Iknow this, but I'm asking this
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question.
But then I thought but I didask this question at the first
time, I know this, but I'masking this question, but I did
ask this question at some point.
And we all have had to learn,whatever it is we know about
Scripture, and the more we learn, the more we want other people
to enjoy that knowledge as well.
And so I think for studentsthat are intimidated, I mean you
just have to ask and if youcome across somebody that you
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really admire what they knowabout the Bible, maybe ask them
how they learned it.
Plus, I think there's so manywonderful tools out there now
like podcasts or even like theBible Project video.
I mean, that's something we'veboth used in preparation before,
and so there's so many greatthings out there that can be
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helpful.
There's also so many things outthere that are not helpful, so
that might be another directionto kind of talk to a trusted
teacher or a friend or a parent.
What's your favorite resource?
What's a commentary that wouldhelp me with this, or where can
I find an answer to thisquestion?
So lots of options.
Erin Kay (19:10):
So I'm hearing a theme here of connection points and
not doing things alone andhaving that unity which is very
important.
And you're exactly right, thebody of Christ.
We're all created different.
We all have different gifts andtalents, but together it just
makes this beautiful symphony.
So, yeah, All right.
So how has reading the Bibletogether as a father and
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daughter, shaped yourunderstanding of discipleship
across generations?
Mark Ross (19:39):
Well, I think one.
The reading through the Biblesteadily puts you in contact
with the story of the Bible.
And as you're reading the storyof the Bible, as has been
mentioned, you're discoveringthere are many points of contact
between what's going on in yourpersonal story and in your life
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that are coming out of the HolyScriptures.
You're able to find yourself init.
There's a man who taught atPrinceton Theological Seminary
for many years he's featured inone of the books I require in my
theology class now and that manwas an atheist and he had grown
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up with no exposure to theBible.
He'd never seen a Bible buthostility to the Christian faith
.
But he went through a war, hehad seen many of his friends
killed, etc.
He had studied philosophy.
He was trying to build aworldview that made sense of the
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world that he was experiencing.
But increasingly over time thatwas just falling apart.
And then one day his wifebrought a Bible home just out of
the blue, and he had justfinished trying to put together
the book that he was trying towrite and make by clipping
pieces out of here, there andelsewhere.
It just didn't come together.
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Out of here, there andelsewhere, it just didn't come
together and finally he openedthe Bible just spontaneously and
fell on the Sermon, on theMount and on the Beatitudes, and
he described it then as,finally, a book that understands
me.
A book that understands me.
So I think, as we've read ittogether, as we've studied
together, as people interactwith us who are listening to the
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podcast a number of them at ourchurch and talking to us about
it I think you just get a freshsense, over and over and over
again, that God is at work inthese things.
We're not just reading aboutwhat God did at one point in
time.
We're living through it rightnow.
Emily Ross Woodard (21:52):
God is still doing these things and God is
still drawing people to himself.
Yeah, I've really enjoyedtalking through things with my
dad that maybe we talked through10 or 15 years ago or even more
, but now kind of knowing himfrom a different gleaned from
Scripture, over his history withit and seeing how that has
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impacted his life and hisministry, and that's been neat.
And going back to what you weresaying about people at the
church too, I think something Ididn't consider when we started
the podcast was people hearingus as father and daughter talk.
I mean, of course it's called IAsked my Dad but for me it was
more about sharing someone withgreat biblical knowledge that I
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had personal access to and justsharing that resource.
But a lot of people havecommented to me like, oh, this
has really been an encouragementto me about how to talk to my
kids or how to talk to myparents and I never really
thought about that.
So that's been kind of a sweet,just bit of feedback that we've
gotten and so I hope that it isan example of people being able
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to talk within their family,within generations, and just
have that conversation of faithand doctrine and life and how
theology impacts what we believeand how we live and how we live
together in community.
Erin Kay (23:24):
Emily, have you found it to impact your conversations
with your children?
Emily Ross Woodard (23:28):
Yeah, I think I don't know that either
of my kids have listened verymuch to the podcast, but they
may in the future, which wouldbe great, just so they can hear
more of their granddad.
But they definitely.
I mean we talk about it atdinner, we talk about what
episode we're doing next, wetalk about high points to hit,
and so they've definitely beeninvolved in some of that.
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And yeah, I mean, I think everyconversation I have with my own
dad kind of reinforces thingsthat are important to pass on to
my children, whether it comesup that day or five, ten years
from now when they may be facingsomething different in life.
But it helps me to kind of havesomebody that's taught personal
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application of Scripture andthen to be able to live that out
and hold on to those things toshare with my kids and grandkids
.
I guess maybe at some pointCome sooner than you think.
Erin Kay (24:25):
How can schools help nurture this kind of spiritual
connection that you're speakingof, whether it's a school like
Ben Lippen, where we're able toopenly talk about our love of
Christ and how he works in ourlives, or in a public school,
where that voice is dampened alittle bit more?
Mark Ross (24:47):
Well, I think any school ought to keep in mind
that the primary tool for theequipping of the younger
generation to take their placein the world, you know, as a
functioning adult the primaryway is actually through the
family and not through theschool, and the schools ought to
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seek to build on that.
I think you know I've seenEmily working with her children
in the home as they haveassignments, particularly
assignments on the Bible, whereshe herself has been a teacher
of the Bible and is teaching theBible now, but even on the
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other things.
So when schools giveassignments that kind of require
that interaction with theparents, it can bring about
conversations that might nototherwise come about.
You know, when a part of theassignment is you got to talk to
your parents, that helps open adoor that might otherwise be a
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little hard to open for onereason or another.
In this that and the otherfamily, emily's older brother.
He would come home from schooland I'd say, well, how was your
day today?
Erin Kay (26:10):
Fine.
Mark Ross (26:10):
You know anything happen today?
No, and that you know that wastypical.
And then there came a yearwhere he went off to a new
school and so, particularlyearly on in the year, well, how
was school today, anythinginteresting happen?
And then one day he stopped me.
He said oh yeah, he said therewas something that was
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interesting today.
He said did you know that Godmaking the world was a myth?
I said, no, I didn't know that.
Tell me more about that.
And suddenly we had somethingto talk about.
Yeah, to see what was going onthere, and led to a conversation
with a principal later on.
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And so I really think schoolsought to try to make that
connection as much as they can.
And you know, I happen to thinkI'm involved in educating
ministers right now and one ofthe challenges we're going
through as we evaluate ourcurriculum and we're trying to
redesign it for the future, asmore and more of our students
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are online, they're not inresidence, etc.
We've lost a place in theirlives where we can actively
shape them, you know, by livingtogether, eating together and
things like that.
We meet on Zoom calls andthings like that.
So we're trying to find ways toconnect more with the churches
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in the education and preparationof their students to serve
churches.
But the churches themselveswill need help to know how to
help their students becomeministers.
So we can't just say, well, whydon't you do this.
We've got to find a way to helpthe church to do that.
So the students aren't justgiven jobs to do, they're given
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training, they're given helpalong the way.
So I think trying to createcloser partnerships between the
home and the school is the wayin which the schools can build
upon the providence of God,which makes families to be the
chief shaping instrument for thegrowth of students into
adulthood.
Emily Ross Woodard (28:21):
I mean I agree with that.
I do feel like schools have avery important I mean they do
spend so much time with thestudents that are there, and so
to have that idea ofintentionally partnering with
the family and I think BenLippen does that really well
intentionally partnering withthe family, and I think Ben
Lippen does that really well.
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Certainly it's a difficult taskas students aren't coming from
equal playing fields in terms oftheir family situations and
what they have at home, and so Iknow schools have to kind of
figure out who may need moreattention in that area or
something.
But yeah, I've really enjoyedthe assignments my daughter had
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back to the class where she hadspiritual disciplines.
Every time they went through adiscipline then they had to
explain it to someone on video,and so she did that with me a
number of times, and so that wasneat just to hear her kind of
summarize something she hadlearned and for me to get an
insight into that class as well.
You know, I think as my kidshave gotten older I've spent
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less time kind of looking at theassignments and the syllabus
and, you know, just trustingthat the kids will come if they
have questions and so butanything that, yeah, that kind
of encourages interaction withyour parents or your
grandparents or whatever it is,is helpful.
Erin Kay (29:42):
I have two children in the middle school this year,
one in fifth grade and one insixth grade and something this
young does is requires thestudents to interview a member
of their family that is onegeneration removed.
So my children have had to goand interview someone and learn
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about them, learn about theirlife, learn about how the Lord
came into their lives.
So I agree with what you'resaying Ben Lippen does present
those opportunities for that,and in the lower school, with
Grandparents Day and how theyincorporate those sorts of
things.
I know this year, the secondgrade, one of their projects or
their service projects this yearwas collecting names of family
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members who are veterans, and sothey spent the year mailing
letters, mailing art, mailingscripture to different veterans
that are connected as familymembers to our community.
So those are just a few otherexamples of how this idea, it
transcends high school all theway down to the lower school
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here at Ben Lippen.
Yeah, so, as we wrap this up,are there any closing thoughts
that you have for our listeners,whether it's about your podcast
or about diving into theScripture or challenges they
might be going through?
Mark Ross (31:03):
Well, the Scriptures are living and active.
Sharper than any two-edgedsword, they're able to discern
the thoughts and intents of theheart.
There's just nothing that willever take the place of an active
engagement in reading andstudying the Scripture, and
doing it not just personally butcorporately in our churches,
sitting under the preaching eachweek, attending Bible studies,
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et cetera.
This is the bread of life.
Emily Ross Woodard (31:31):
And the Word of God doesn't return void, so
any effort that's put forth willreap benefits.
I think I don't know that wehave any other words to add.
Erin Kay (31:44):
Those are wonderful words, so thank you both for
being here with us today, and ifpeople want to listen to your
podcast, they just go to any oftheir favorite players.
Emily Ross Woodard (31:54):
Yeah, I think we're on all the platforms
.
I Asked my Dad, I Asked my Dad.
Erin Kay (31:59):
It's a great podcast.
Y'all should check it out.
All right, Thanks everyone.
We'll see you on our nextepisode of the Ben Lippen
Podcast.
Alright.
So we are back with one of ourepisodes for our summer series.
We have Mark Ross with us andEmily Woodard, and why don't you
guys just share a little bitabout who you are and how you
are connected to the Ben Lippencommunity?
Emily Ross Woodard (00:17):
So I am Emily Ross Woodard.
I'm a graduate of the class of1999 from Ben Lippen School and
a parent of a graduate from 2023and 2025.
And I'm currently serving onthe Ben Lippen School Board.
Mark Ross (00:34):
And I'm her Dad, and I'm the parent of a graduate and
a grandparent About to be twograduates.
Erin Kay (00:40):
So we are recording a podcast here today.
However, you two have a podcastof your own, so what inspired
you two to start a podcast?
Emily Ross Woodard (00:51):
You know, I think, well, I think it's, I
mean it's you because a lot ofpeople have wanted to have more
of your teaching, I think kindof on record and on demand, as
it were.
And so I think people haveposed the idea of a podcast to
my dad a number of times overthe last number of years and
he's I mean he's always beensuper busy and not super
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interested in that.
Mark Ross (01:14):
Not technologically inclined.
Emily Ross Woodard (01:16):
Yes, but my husband, Robby, had started a
podcast of his own and then kindof got into the podcast
producing space and,providentially, we also then
began living with my parents.
So we were all in the samehouse and I had done a Bible
reading plan with a group offriends in 2023.
And we were nearing the end ofthe year and kind of texting and
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deciding whether we were goingto do it again, and I had a few
friends that said, well, I'dlove to do the reading again.
I don't know if I'm going tolisten to the podcast that went
along with it, and I was sittingat the table we were
remembering this yesterday, butsitting at the table with my
husband and my dad and I askedmy dad if he would be interested
in just recording a little bitof content about a Bible reading
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plan if we read it over.
Actually, I looked back at theGroupMe message and I initially
told my friends that we weregoing to do a 10-minute podcast.
Oh, you did, yeah, which didn'thappen.
But I think the funny thingabout all of that is this
occurred on December the 29th,which was a Friday, and so we
recorded the next episode onDecember the 30th, a Saturday,
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and that became the first.
We've now done 75 episodes, sowe've released an episode every
Saturday since then.
So we did a year ofchronological reading through
the scriptures and then thisyear we've been doing a topical
study in systematic theology.
Erin Kay (02:39):
Now you mentioned that part of the intent was to
capture the teaching voice ofMark over here.
Emily Ross Woodard (02:46):
Yeah.
Erin Kay (02:47):
So tell me a little bit about that teaching.
You must be a teacher somewhere.
Mark Ross (02:52):
Well, I was 20 years a pastor and most of my work in
the church.
I was not a senior pastor, Iwas mainly a teacher, and so I
did lots of Bible studies.
I'm, in fact, doing a men'sBible study that's now in its
40th year meeting at the samehome, etc.
So I've done a lot of teachingand the church has recorded a
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lot of things.
This itself began because shealready had a group of ladies
that wanted to read through theBible day by day, you know,
through the whole Bible on achronological plan that they had
followed the year before.
They had been listening to ateacher, and they just wanted to
do something a little differentthis time around, not just go
back over the same curriculumthey already had.
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And so they told me I should dothis.
Well, it wasn't my idea of whatI thought I ought to be
devoting myself to, but as wegot into it more and more, I
finally relented and we decidedto do it.
After that, it was just catchingup to having thrown your hat
over the wall.
We never really had theopportunity in that first year
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to work ahead, and there were acouple of times when she was in
Florida and I was in SouthCarolina and we had to do it
over Zoom and things like that.
We didn't have the benefit ofRobbie every week, but I suppose
we only were without Robbiethree or four times out of the
52.
So there was already a smallaudience there and I was happy
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to help these ladies along.
I love to teach the Bible andI'd done Bible survey in the
church for 10 years, but I'dnever done it on a calendar year
.
My last time through I'd donesix years and I was eager to do
something that was a bit moreconcise, that might be a bit
more digestible to most people.
(04:41):
So that's how we got started.
Erin Kay (04:43):
And what's the name of your podcast?
Emily Ross Woodard (04:46):
I Ask my Dad .
I have done some teaching atour church as well, in Sunday
schools, and that kind of becamea phrase that I would use over
and over again, because, as Iwould prepare for a study or
some kind of seminar orsomething, I would always call
my dad the night before and askhim all the questions I had
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about the Bible or differentdoctrines or that passage in
particular.
And so, as the idea came up andwe were batting things around,
that seemed to be the one thatkind of stuck.
Mark Ross (05:20):
That was the attractive thing for me.
I just loved those times ofsitting with her.
She would have already done alot of study, had questions, she
was eager to tie thingstogether, et cetera.
I just loved that interactionwith her, and so doing that on a
weekly basis was veryattractive to me.
To work with my daughter mydaughter being a very eager
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student of the Bible as well asa very competent teacher of the
Bible it's just a great joy.
Emily Ross Woodard (05:50):
Well, yeah, I think in the pilot episode or
maybe I don't know if it wasmaybe a trailer or something,
but I mentioned kind of wantingto share my favorite theological
resource with people, which wasmy dad, and so you know, being
able to kind of ask him eitherquestions that I had already
asked him years ago that meant alot to me when he answered them
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or new questions that came up.
Being able to kind of havethose and then share with
friends was great as well.
Erin Kay (06:19):
Is there a particular episode that really stood out to
you so far, one that you hopethat listeners will not miss?
Emily Ross Woodard (06:27):
I asked him that yesterday he said well, I
don't listen to them.
Actually, I do have a couplethat I think have just stuck out
to me One from thechronological plan which was in
2024.
And I think it was week 33 ofthe plan, which covered a good
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bit of Jeremiah.
And so just hearing my dad kindof talk through really just
kind of the overarching picturebehind Jeremiah and what that
prophet is called to go throughand then how he kind of related
it to struggles that we face andthe promises that the Lord
gives us through those, I thinkthat was a really meaningful one
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from that season.
And then, along the same vein,I think my favorite one we've
done so far this year was partfour in the doctrine of God, god
, where we talked about God'sprovidence and we spent a lot of
time in Job of trial andsuffering.
To have that wisdom andexperience, to kind of explain
(07:33):
what Scripture is teaching us inthose spots, has been really
helpful.
So that was one that stuck outto me this year that I kind of
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shared outside of the normal waythat we post it and stuff.
Erin Kay (08:01):
Now, Emily, have you learned anything new or have any
new appreciations for your dadthrough doing this podcast?
Emily Ross Woodard (08:08):
Yeah, oh yeah, of course I mean Scripture
, you know, is an unending placeto mine treasure, and so I
think I've definitely learnednew things.
I think I've relearned thingsthat I thought I knew before,
and then to come across themagain and ask the same question
again.
And you know, just rememberthat we're our fallen minds
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can't contain everything that welearn.
And yeah, and I think, justlearning too to kind of see how
my dad will organize histhoughts and we do kind of a
run-through before we approachan episode, so that's been
helpful as well, just to kind ofsee what the highlights are,
(08:54):
especially this year, I think,as we're doing doctrines and
systems in theology, to see,okay, what are the main points
in this that people should knowabout, and that's been really
helpful for me.
What about you?
Mark Ross (09:08):
Well, as I said, she comes with very good questions
by the time we sit down to talkthrough an episode.
She has really worked over thepassage quite a bit, and so I'm
sometimes struck by the factthat she's asking a question
that I might not have beenasking had I been, you know,
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starting in on the task and Ihadn't been thinking along that
line.
But you know she comes out ofher experience, especially
teaching in a women's context.
It's been a delight to bepushed in ways that I wouldn't
have been pushed had I been leftto myself.
Erin Kay (09:49):
Yes, I love that and thinking about how, no matter
what season we are in our lives,we always have room to continue
to grow and grow in ourunderstanding of the living word
.
So what encouragement would yougive to students who may feel
disconnected or uncertain intheir faith journey?
Mark Ross (10:12):
Well, first of all, there's many causes as to why
students might feel disconnected, and some are feeling
disconnected because they are.
They haven't really putthemselves into the place where
they can connect.
They've held back, maybe theydon't attend regularly, etc.
So to be connected they've gotto be coming and putting it in.
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But at the same time, the bookof Psalms would let us know that
there are oftentimes people ofGod don't feel connected to God
or to others round about them.
We have many, many Psalms thatspeak of the struggles of the
faith, and I think one of thelessons that you learn from the
book of Psalms and readingthrough the book of Psalms is
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that those times do come.
They're not always anindication that you've messed up
in some way and you haveyourself to blame.
God may be taking you into thatterritory quite deliberately to
teach you new things.
So the second thing is topersevere.
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You trust God.
You trust God.
He tells you that, inconnectedness with other
Christians, he will be at workbecause they bring gifts into
your life, as you bring a giftor two into their lives, and
it's only, as Paul says inEphesians, chapter 4, when each
part of the body of Christ doesits part that the body is able
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to build itself up in love.
So it's important for us to beconnected, to be connected to
other Christians in the life ofthe church, and if we're not
feeling that, then, in trustbefore God, we continue to
persevere after that, givingourselves to it, prayerfully,
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approaching it and looking forit.
And sometimes one of the bestways to make a connection with a
body that we are feelingdisconnected from is to look
very closely, because there'sprobably other people who are
feeling in the same way.
And if you reach out to makesomebody else feel connected,
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who seems to have been pushed tothe side, you'll often find
times that that's the way thatGod begins to connect you is
reaching out to meet the need ofanother, rather than always
sitting back and thinking thatyour need is not being met.
Look for someone else's need tomeet.
Emily Ross Woodard (12:45):
Yeah, I think I would add too and
thinking specifically of BenLippen's students to lean into
the training and the educationthat they've gotten, about the
importance of being in the Wordand reading their Bibles and
going through with the spiritualdisciplines.
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I mean, my daughter was in aclass this year a Bible class
that walked through thespiritual disciplines, and I
think a lot of the students canunderstand, I mean, exactly what
you were talking about, dad,with just continuing to do the
things that the Lord has set outfor us to do, to feel connected
to the body of Christ infellowship and prayer and
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reading scripture.
And you know, our faith iscertainly not only an academic
exercise or, you know, anintellectual ascent to doctrines
, but it is also that, and so Ithink our students have been
trained really well and whereour feelings and our emotions
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may vary and change, you know tocontinue walking in the path
that has been shown to them bytheir parents and their pastors
and their teachers here.
You know that can reap benefitswhen we discipline ourselves,
and so I think that's really oneof the benefits of kids coming
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here and having not only Bibleclasses but teachers that
reinforce that in any disciplineas well.
I think it's important forstudents to remember to do what
they've been taught and, whilethey may not feel the same
excitement all the time abouttheir faith journey, when they
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stay in the Word, when they'repraying, when they're
fellowshipping with others, whenthey're attending worship, that
feeling will come question howwould you encourage a student or
a group of students who theyfeel intimidated by reading the
Scripture, whether it's in itsentirety, or they get to the big
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section with all the names andthe lineage and they can't
pronounce the people's names andthey just get lost.
Erin Kay (15:00):
What would be your encouragement to that student?
Mark Ross (15:03):
Well, I think being a part of a group in study helps
that quite a bit.
I think that's God's intent forus.
He has some people in the bodyof Christ who are more gifted at
teaching the Bible, helpingothers to understand the Bible,
than others.
Others have other gifts andtheirs are just as important to
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the body of Christ, but Godintends us to learn and to grow
corporately, so to get involvedin a good Bible study, to be in
a good Bible class here atBentlip, and my wife and I have
just been very thankful to God.
We had the opportunity forEmily to come here and now for
our grandchildren to come here.
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We have seen great fruit intheir lives for that.
I think, frankly, the need forChristian students to be in a
place like this is probably moreurgent now than it was.
I mean, emily was eager to gethere to get out of the public
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school that she was in at thetime and we're thankful to God.
A board member here took aspecial interest in us, was a
member of our church and madethat possible for us to make
that move.
But I think the culturalclimate, the spiritual warfare
that's going on, I think it'smuch more intense today we're
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just worlds apart between theChristian church and where the
world is, and that shows up inpublic education etc.
So I think it's criticallyimportant to have our kids in a
place where they can be nurturedin their faith, where what is
being taught in the home will bereinforced in the school and
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they'll have the opportunity toparticipate in athletic teams or
drama events or things likethat with kids who come from the
families that are alsocommitted to that same thing.
There's infinite variety in thebody of Christ.
Not everybody is cut from acookie cutter that is here, but
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that's part of the beauty of thechurch and the body of Christ.
But it's wonderful to have aunity in Christ, that there's a
common ground upon which we arebuilding as we try to raise our
children together.
Emily Ross Woodard (17:23):
I think for students that are intimidated
too and certainly I mean we allrun across this, whether it's
somebody that shows up at churchthat doesn't have a church
background, or students thatcome here and really haven't
been exposed to a lot of whatthey're going to learn in their
Bible classes and that kind ofthing I mean I think maybe it's
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more of an encouragement for therest of us to remember that we
all had to learn that too.
You know, I think just thinkingback to our podcast, the first
few episodes, I think I wasreally unsteady because I kept
thinking well, I don't wantpeople to think I'm asking this
question for the first time, Iknow this, but I'm asking this
(18:06):
question.
But then I thought but I didask this question at the first
time, I know this, but I'masking this question, but I did
ask this question at some point.
And we all have had to learn,whatever it is we know about
Scripture, and the more we learn, the more we want other people
to enjoy that knowledge as well.
And so I think for studentsthat are intimidated, I mean you
just have to ask and if youcome across somebody that you
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really admire what they knowabout the Bible, maybe ask them
how they learned it.
Plus, I think there's so manywonderful tools out there now
like podcasts or even like theBible Project video.
I mean, that's something we'veboth used in preparation before,
and so there's so many greatthings out there that can be
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helpful.
There's also so many things outthere that are not helpful, so
that might be another directionto kind of talk to a trusted
teacher or a friend or a parent.
What's your favorite resource?
What's a commentary that wouldhelp me with this, or where can
I find an answer to thisquestion?
So lots of options.
Erin Kay (19:10):
So I'm hearing a theme here of connection points and
not doing things alone andhaving that unity which is very
important.
And you're exactly right, thebody of Christ.
We're all created different.
We all have different gifts andtalents, but together it just
makes this beautiful symphony.
So, yeah, All right.
So how has reading the Bibletogether as a father and
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daughter, shaped yourunderstanding of discipleship
across generations?
Mark Ross (19:39):
Well, I think one.
The reading through the Biblesteadily puts you in contact
with the story of the Bible.
And as you're reading the storyof the Bible, as has been
mentioned, you're discoveringthere are many points of contact
between what's going on in yourpersonal story and in your life
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that are coming out of the HolyScriptures.
You're able to find yourself init.
There's a man who taught atPrinceton Theological Seminary
for many years he's featured inone of the books I require in my
theology class now and that manwas an atheist and he had grown
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up with no exposure to theBible.
He'd never seen a Bible buthostility to the Christian faith
.
But he went through a war, hehad seen many of his friends
killed, etc.
He had studied philosophy.
He was trying to build aworldview that made sense of the
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world that he was experiencing.
But increasingly over time thatwas just falling apart.
And then one day his wifebrought a Bible home just out of
the blue, and he had justfinished trying to put together
the book that he was trying towrite and make by clipping
pieces out of here, there andelsewhere.
It just didn't come together.
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Out of here, there andelsewhere, it just didn't come
together and finally he openedthe Bible just spontaneously and
fell on the Sermon, on theMount and on the Beatitudes, and
he described it then as,finally, a book that understands
me.
A book that understands me.
So I think, as we've read ittogether, as we've studied
together, as people interactwith us who are listening to the
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podcast a number of them at ourchurch and talking to us about
it I think you just get a freshsense, over and over and over
again, that God is at work inthese things.
We're not just reading aboutwhat God did at one point in
time.
We're living through it rightnow.
Emily Ross Woodard (21:52):
God is still doing these things and God is
still drawing people to himself.
Yeah, I've really enjoyedtalking through things with my
dad that maybe we talked through10 or 15 years ago or even more
, but now kind of knowing himfrom a different gleaned from
Scripture, over his history withit and seeing how that has
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impacted his life and hisministry, and that's been neat.
And going back to what you weresaying about people at the
church too, I think something Ididn't consider when we started
the podcast was people hearingus as father and daughter talk.
I mean, of course it's called IAsked my Dad but for me it was
more about sharing someone withgreat biblical knowledge that I
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had personal access to and justsharing that resource.
But a lot of people havecommented to me like, oh, this
has really been an encouragementto me about how to talk to my
kids or how to talk to myparents and I never really
thought about that.
So that's been kind of a sweet,just bit of feedback that we've
gotten and so I hope that it isan example of people being able
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to talk within their family,within generations, and just
have that conversation of faithand doctrine and life and how
theology impacts what we believeand how we live and how we live
together in community.
Erin Kay (23:24):
Emily, have you found it to impact your conversations
with your children?
Emily Ross Woodard (23:28):
Yeah, I think I don't know that either
of my kids have listened verymuch to the podcast, but they
may in the future, which wouldbe great, just so they can hear
more of their granddad.
But they definitely.
I mean we talk about it atdinner, we talk about what
episode we're doing next, wetalk about high points to hit,
and so they've definitely beeninvolved in some of that.
(23:49):
And yeah, I mean, I think everyconversation I have with my own
dad kind of reinforces thingsthat are important to pass on to
my children, whether it comesup that day or five, ten years
from now when they may be facingsomething different in life.
But it helps me to kind of havesomebody that's taught personal
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application of Scripture andthen to be able to live that out
and hold on to those things toshare with my kids and grandkids
.
I guess maybe at some pointCome sooner than you think.
Erin Kay (24:25):
How can schools help nurture this kind of spiritual
connection that you're speakingof, whether it's a school like
Ben Lippen, where we're able toopenly talk about our love of
Christ and how he works in ourlives, or in a public school,
where that voice is dampened alittle bit more?
Mark Ross (24:47):
Well, I think any school ought to keep in mind
that the primary tool for theequipping of the younger
generation to take their placein the world, you know, as a
functioning adult the primaryway is actually through the
family and not through theschool, and the schools ought to
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seek to build on that.
I think you know I've seenEmily working with her children
in the home as they haveassignments, particularly
assignments on the Bible, whereshe herself has been a teacher
of the Bible and is teaching theBible now, but even on the
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other things.
So when schools giveassignments that kind of require
that interaction with theparents, it can bring about
conversations that might nototherwise come about.
You know, when a part of theassignment is you got to talk to
your parents, that helps open adoor that might otherwise be a
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little hard to open for onereason or another.
In this that and the otherfamily, emily's older brother.
He would come home from schooland I'd say, well, how was your
day today?
Erin Kay (26:10):
Fine.
Mark Ross (26:10):
You know anything happen today?
No, and that you know that wastypical.
And then there came a yearwhere he went off to a new
school and so, particularlyearly on in the year, well, how
was school today, anythinginteresting happen?
And then one day he stopped me.
He said oh yeah, he said therewas something that was
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interesting today.
He said did you know that Godmaking the world was a myth?
I said, no, I didn't know that.
Tell me more about that.
And suddenly we had somethingto talk about.
Yeah, to see what was going onthere, and led to a conversation
with a principal later on.
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And so I really think schoolsought to try to make that
connection as much as they can.
And you know, I happen to thinkI'm involved in educating
ministers right now and one ofthe challenges we're going
through as we evaluate ourcurriculum and we're trying to
redesign it for the future, asmore and more of our students
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are online, they're not inresidence, etc.
We've lost a place in theirlives where we can actively
shape them, you know, by livingtogether, eating together and
things like that.
We meet on Zoom calls andthings like that.
So we're trying to find ways toconnect more with the churches
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in the education and preparationof their students to serve
churches.
But the churches themselveswill need help to know how to
help their students becomeministers.
So we can't just say, well, whydon't you do this.
We've got to find a way to helpthe church to do that.
So the students aren't justgiven jobs to do, they're given
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training, they're given helpalong the way.
So I think trying to createcloser partnerships between the
home and the school is the wayin which the schools can build
upon the providence of God,which makes families to be the
chief shaping instrument for thegrowth of students into
adulthood.
Emily Ross Woodard (28:21):
I mean I agree with that.
I do feel like schools have avery important I mean they do
spend so much time with thestudents that are there, and so
to have that idea ofintentionally partnering with
the family and I think BenLippen does that really well
intentionally partnering withthe family, and I think Ben
Lippen does that really well.
(28:41):
Certainly it's a difficult taskas students aren't coming from
equal playing fields in terms oftheir family situations and
what they have at home, and so Iknow schools have to kind of
figure out who may need moreattention in that area or
something.
But yeah, I've really enjoyedthe assignments my daughter had
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back to the class where she hadspiritual disciplines.
Every time they went through adiscipline then they had to
explain it to someone on video,and so she did that with me a
number of times, and so that wasneat just to hear her kind of
summarize something she hadlearned and for me to get an
insight into that class as well.
You know, I think as my kidshave gotten older I've spent
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less time kind of looking at theassignments and the syllabus
and, you know, just trustingthat the kids will come if they
have questions and so butanything that, yeah, that kind
of encourages interaction withyour parents or your
grandparents or whatever it is,is helpful.
Erin Kay (29:42):
I have two children in the middle school this year,
one in fifth grade and one insixth grade and something this
young does is requires thestudents to interview a member
of their family that is onegeneration removed.
So my children have had to goand interview someone and learn
(30:02):
about them, learn about theirlife, learn about how the Lord
came into their lives.
So I agree with what you'resaying Ben Lippen does present
those opportunities for that,and in the lower school, with
Grandparents Day and how theyincorporate those sorts of
things.
I know this year, the secondgrade, one of their projects or
their service projects this yearwas collecting names of family
(30:27):
members who are veterans, and sothey spent the year mailing
letters, mailing art, mailingscripture to different veterans
that are connected as familymembers to our community.
So those are just a few otherexamples of how this idea, it
transcends high school all theway down to the lower school
(30:48):
here at Ben Lippen.
Yeah, so, as we wrap this up,are there any closing thoughts
that you have for our listeners,whether it's about your podcast
or about diving into theScripture or challenges they
might be going through?
Mark Ross (31:03):
Well, the Scriptures are living and active.
Sharper than any two-edgedsword, they're able to discern
the thoughts and intents of theheart.
There's just nothing that willever take the place of an active
engagement in reading andstudying the Scripture, and
doing it not just personally butcorporately in our churches,
sitting under the preaching eachweek, attending Bible studies,
(31:26):
et cetera.
This is the bread of life.
Emily Ross Woodard (31:31):
And the Word of God doesn't return void, so
any effort that's put forth willreap benefits.
I think I don't know that wehave any other words to add.
Erin Kay (31:44):
Those are wonderful words, so thank you both for
being here with us today, and ifpeople want to listen to your
podcast, they just go to any oftheir favorite players.
Emily Ross Woodard (31:54):
Yeah, I think we're on all the platforms
.
I Asked my Dad, I Asked my Dad.
Erin Kay (31:59):
It's a great podcast.
Y'all should check it out.
All right, Thanks everyone.
We'll see you on our nextepisode of the Ben Lippen
Podcast.
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