What happens when the healthcare system stops working—for both the patient and the doctor?
Dr. Ken Ota quit the insurance grind and now runs a small, personal practice. Dr. Azmi Nasser works in the traditional system but adds a private care touch when patients need more.
In this episode, we talk about:
🔹 Why more people are paying out-of-pocket to skip the wait
🔹 How being a doctor has changed—and why it’s not always good
🔹 What it really looks like when you give patients your cell number
🔹 How jiu-jitsu helps them manage stress and avoid burnout
🔹 The simple routines they use to stay grounded as doctors and dads
We also get into their backstories—punk rock bands, immigrant parents, and how they found meaning in medicine.
If you’ve ever felt rushed at the doctor’s office or wondered what better care could look like, this one’s worth your time.
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