June 13, 2025 • 32 mins
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What happens when our hosts step out of the studio and into the frontlines of political activism? Zack Plair and David Chism brave the rain to spend time with anti-Trump protesters gathered outside the Columbus-Lowndes Public Library in downtown Columbus.
The conversations they capture reveal a fascinating tapestry of perspectives, concerns, and motivations. From passionate declarations about perceived threats to civil liberties to nuanced discussions about policy disagreements, these protesters—roughly twenty strong despite threatening weather—paint a picture of grassroots activism in a predominantly conservative area. Many express finding community through these demonstrations, realizing they aren't alone in their political viewpoints within a region that voted heavily for Trump.
What makes this episode particularly valuable is the willingness of both sides to engage respectfully across political divides. Several protesters acknowledge points of agreement with certain Trump policies while maintaining their overall opposition. This complexity challenges simplistic political narratives and reminds listeners that behind every protest sign stands a person with multifaceted beliefs and genuine concerns.
The hosts also explore parallels between these demonstrations and the Tea Party protests from roughly a decade ago, examining how political movements often follow cyclical patterns. They reflect on the danger of inconsistent principles—how viewing identical actions differently depending on who's performing them transforms principles into prejudices.
Whether you're politically engaged or simply curious about what drives your neighbors to stand on street corners with protest signs, this episode offers an enlightening window into contemporary civic discourse at the local level. Listen as we go beyond the headlines to find the human stories that make up our community's political landscape.
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Today, zach and I visited theprotest in front of the library,
the Chibby Bateman Library.
Is that what they call it?
Chibi?
Chibi, that's how you say it.
Zach and I change gears alittle bit.
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We go out in the rain and we'vegot some audio.
Don't know how good it is, butwe'll put it out there.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Apologies if it's not very good.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
But it was windy and it was not too bad hot and it
was a festive occasion, if Iwill say.
Here are some snippets fromZach and from myself.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Okay, I'm thinking that President Trump is acting
like a Nazi, not givingAmericans their rights, and I'm
out here protesting that this isAmerica, we're not Nazis.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
So that said, are there smart Republicans out
there?
Speaker 4 (03:24):
I believe there are yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
I believe they're being misguided and I don't
think they have any guts rightnow in Congress.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Lots of people coming by honking and I'm assuming
that that's one reaction y'allget.
I'm assuming maybe some othersdon't agree so much.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Well, very few.
Last week we only had two, uh,negative indications, I'll say
that.
And but last week we had a realuptick in honks and and thumbs
up and all that stuff.
So it may be taking, takinghold, hopefully, hope so I see
you've got some supporters outthere um.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Y'all said any cars on fire today?
Not, not yet.
No, we will.
Speaker 6 (04:05):
Hopefully not mine, Obviously you were opposed to
the parade tomorrow.
Oh my golly.
I kind of wish that some guywith a couple of shopping bags
would go out there and stand infront of the tanks, except
they'd probably send him to ElSalvador to El Salvador.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Do you think he's made any progress with, like the
United Arab Emirates and someof those other countries that,
like Obama, did not care to govisit?
Speaker 6 (04:30):
He has not made an impression on any foreign
country.
They see right through him,they know what he stands for,
they know what he's trying to do, just like we do.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
I pay my taxes, I'm a productive member of society
and I see that our rights arebeing infringed on daily with
the Trump administration.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Okay, which rights specifically if you don't mind
my asking do you feel areinfringed?
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Trans rights, gay rights, women's rights, brown
and black rights, anythingthat's not a white male.
I believe we're going.
Speaker 7 (05:07):
Our rights are in jeopardy at this point tell me a
little bit about, uh, whyyou're here, why you're feeling
the way you're feeling um, well,it's a lot of different things,
for when I have, um, I havefamily, that is um sort of every
, every facet of life, you know,like every different.
Everything they're saying no tois probably a family member of
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mine or my friend, and I'm thetype of person I just don't, I
don't, no, okay.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
I don't know what.
Speaker 7 (05:37):
I'm here for.
I'm here for freedom.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Well, what do you think about the parade tomorrow
that is planned?
Speaker 5 (05:43):
I'm going to the protest over in Starkville.
Okay, it's outrageous.
I mean, if he wants to spendmoney $45 million on something,
give it to the vets.
Speaker 6 (05:52):
Here's what I will say that Trump has lied to us
from the beginning, and thefolks that vote for him take him
at his word and don't evencheck what he says.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Full disclosure I'm a Trump supporter, but I'm not
like one of those that justsupports him blindly.
There are certain things abouthim that I like and certain
things that I really don't.
Speaker 8 (06:11):
Well, guess what.
There are a few things that Iagree with as well, Such as, if
you don't mind, so one, Ibelieve there is fraud.
I don't think it is widespread.
You said what do I support?
I support finding fraud.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
What do you think of Doge and Big Balls and folks
like that going into the systemand trying to eliminate?
Speaker 8 (06:33):
That was one of the things I would have been for.
If you had systematically goneinto a department and looked to
see who we can cut and not tearthe agency apart, I was all for
it.
But to go down and fireeverybody and then shut down the
agency and then have to go backand rehire them, that is not
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good.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Your sign today says dump Trump, I guess, and no
kings okay.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
Because they have a dictator in charge of things now
and that's not in the Americanway at all.
I'm a vet, I wouldn't work forhim and I have trouble seeing
where he's coming from.
Speaker 8 (07:15):
Putin invaded Ukraine .
He needs to leave and we needto support Ukraine.
The second thing is I believein due process.
Speaker 7 (07:26):
I don't, I don't.
Well, I didn't support himbecause of all the you know, all
the sexual assault charges andstuff.
I, you know I'm I am a survivorof domestic abuse, so I've been
at the hand of patriarchy and Ijust this is not for me, you
know, and this is not where Iwant to leave my daughters, my
granddaughters.
You know, it's just, it's atravesty.
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I don't want to see anybodyhurt.
I don't.
I love people, I love allhumans.
I think we all have a right tobe here.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Debbie, I'm going to shake your hand if you're okay
with it.
It was nice to meet you today.
You know what?
See we?
We can talk.
That's what it's all about.
Speaker 9 (08:02):
When you put out there misinformation about the
accuracy and effectiveness ofvaccines, then you get people
who are not protected againstthese diseases.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
How have you seen the change in how you guys are
regarded over time?
Speaker 9 (08:23):
I'm hearing a lot of people driving by honking.
I think people are beginning torealize that protests do work,
and we're doing our own littlebit of protesting down here too.
Speaker 6 (08:33):
To demonstrate at least that a number of people
are educated enough in thiscountry that we know what he is
and who he is and what he standsfor and what he's trying to do.
He's trying to eliminate theConstitution.
He has not done anything.
That was he has not doneanything, not the first thing
that I consider to have been inthe best interest of this
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country.
Can you name one?
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Well, there are, as you know, 80 million people,
including myself, who did votefor Trump.
Do you think that all of us arein the same category or do you
think there's some middle ground?
I'd like to know how deep thebut, how deep the disdain for
the whole Trump nation is forpeople out here like yourself
doing a peaceful demonstration.
(09:18):
Pretty deep, Pretty deep.
How many cars burning is anacceptable number?
How many cars burning is anacceptable number?
Speaker 6 (09:24):
If they're Republican , cars no limit.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I appreciate your spirit.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Yes, sir, about 20 people there in total, would you
say I think it would have beenmore if it hadn't been for the
um, you know, the oncoming stormthat we got caught in a little
bit.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
It was, um, it was not terribly hot.
I was worried when, when I hadlearned about this assignment,
that we were just going to goout there and get roasted.
But it was nice and cloudy andit rained on us a little bit,
but you know, we didn't, um, gettotally drenched.
Your curls are a little bit outof whack today, but nothing
happens Nothing terriblydisturbing.
What did you?
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Did you learn anythingdifferent?
I mean, was it, was it all justkind of as expected?
Speaker 1 (10:08):
I mean yeah to me.
I mean we've been coveringthese protests on and off since
they since they started I guesswhat, two, three months ago.
And a lot of those folks outthere today mentioned that they
were going to be in startletomorrow for the no kings mass
protest as a nationwide movement.
But uh, the one locally will bein startle.
Uh, it's going to be uh fromnoon to 1 30 uh tomorrow outside
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the uh hub on north jacksonstreet and east main street or
at north jackson street and eastmain street in startle.
That's the uh old cadence bank,that uh hub on North Jackson
Street and East Main Street, orat North Jackson Street and East
Main Street in Starkville.
That's the old Cadence Bank.
That now is the workspace, Ithink, that Michael Guest's
office.
He keeps an office in thatbuilding.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Michael Guest is going to allow for that.
Well, I guess if he rents thebuilding he doesn't really have
a choice, though it'sinteresting to me.
I wonder who sponsors this?
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Indivisible, which is a group that has a lot of
chapters nationwide.
It's a left-leaning group andthere's a local chapter that's
sponsoring.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Let me ask you this what was your response?
Were they like kick rocks?
Or Were they like kick rocks orwere they like let's talk?
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Well, I had about half and half that wanted to
talk.
Even the ones who declined didso friendly and usually
explained the reasons why.
But you know a lot of folks.
I just asked them what was ontheir sign, or read what was on
their sign, asked them why thatwas what they uh chose to chose
to present during the protest.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
How long they've been coming out it's kind of like
college game day out there alittle bit, yeah, yeah without
the, without the helmets youknow, without the elephant
helmet or a donkey helmet.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
One thing that's been the takeaway of that protest
since it started was one it'sbeen growing and the layers of
it have been getting different.
Different people are coming outthere protesting different
things, not necessarilydifferent principles, but
different parts of you know whatthey see to be a problem with
the administration.
They're doing so peacefully.
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They're, you know, behavingthemselves and they're standing
by their sides, they're talkingabout their issues and they're,
uh, real new.
They're very nuanced, they'relayered um and they're they're
out there.
I talked to this, uh, one personthat I asked.
I said you make a lot offriends out here since, uh,
since you started coming, andher response was you know, not
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only was she meeting more people, but and and we've heard this
before there are a lot of peoplewho, in the conservative South,
you know, in a county that wentfor Trump, in a state that very
heavily went for Trump, theyfeel very much like maybe
they're the only one, or maybeone of very few, who feels the
way that they do about aparticular issue, and they're
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finding out through exerciseslike this that that's not true,
and I don't think that that's abad thing, regardless of what
your position is on a subject Ican certainly appreciate anybody
that is peacefully exercisingtheir First Amendment.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Let me ask you this Do you think anybody was out
there really intent on changingsomeone's mind as they passed by
, or is it just?
I mean, I just have to questionwhen you stand in protest of
something that 80 million peoplevoted on the other side of
right, what is your end goal inthat?
Speaker 1 (13:34):
right, I mean because , obviously, let me respond to
your question with this questiondavid, who won the 2020
election?
Speaker 3 (13:41):
well, joe biden did according to the uh most people.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
You know I'm not an election denier, but okay, there
are a lot of election deniersout there and you and and those
people were very loud for fouryears and very passionately
believed and wanted everyoneelse to believe what they had to
say and they had the right toexpress it.
I rolled my eyes at it, justvery similarly to how you
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probably rolled your eyes atsome of the things that were
being protested today, but ithappened.
You seem to be implying herethat the majority rules the
narrative.
The majority rules the system.
That's true and I believe inthat.
That's a democratic process.
I'm certainly not going to denythat Donald Trump won the 2024
election and that is what it isand the policies that come from
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it do, because the systemrewards the majority vote.
It just does.
The system rewards the majorityvote it just does.
But the majority vote does notdictate the narrative and it
does not.
You know, we don't live in1984's Ingsoc, so a person's
ability and willingness to goout and protest and to dissent
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and to do so peacefully, I thinkis important, and you know, I
know a lot of people in between2020 and 2024 who were Trump
supporters who thought it wasvery important.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
One thing that came up more than once as a challenge
to me was the January 6thprotests.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Right.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Right and to their surprise, I was actually the
insurrection, if you want tocall it that.
I, to their surprise, wasactually on board saying you
know that was a bad day foreverybody, and for Republicans,
because I'm sitting here acrossfrom you.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I condemn violence regardless of who it is, and
that was a violent day, and ifit had been the supporters of
Obama doing that, I would havecondemned it then too.
It was violence is violence.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
I think when you look at what's happening in Los
Angeles, I mean, we're here inthe friendly city of Columbus
and we only know what thenational media or the people on
X tell us.
But regardless, when you lookat stuff like that, it's like
holy cow.
You know how do you processthat level of anger, that level
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of rage, without just steppingback and saying, hey, this is
just flat wrong.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Here's what I'm going to say about that and I want to
use a couple of local examples,and one of them is deeply
personal.
Last fall the city drops $5,000on a parade for CMSD.
They are celebrating their Baccountability rating.
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They wanted to have a parade.
The school district went to thecity, asked for $5,000.
They were given that $5,000,and that was egregious.
You know whether you agree withthe need for the parade
celebrate the kids, that's fine.
That cost was high.
The optics were terrible.
There were other ways for thecity to support that parade and
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it still be done right.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
If you speak out against that kind of thing, it
makes you look bad yeah, yeah,yeah, which I'm getting to that,
but it seemed wasteful.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
I believed it at the time and the people who didn't
want to listen to how wastefulit was.
But lots of, you know, lots offolks felt the way that I did
about the cD parade, that it waswasteful.
But they have no problem withour dear leaders.
$45 million birthday partytomorrow with tanks and you know
whatever.
And you know, putting aside thevery Soviet Nicaraguan optics
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of this planned parade,nicaraguan yeah, I'm going to
have to look that one up.
How do the people, how arepeople not jumping up and down?
How are the same people incolumbus, just say in columbus,
how are the same people incolumbus, uh, who jumped up and
down about cmsd's parade, notlooking at that 45 million
dollar parade tomorrow and going, uh, no yeah why?
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why would we do?
Because you gotta remember, youknow we're just coming off a
doge and we're coming off of theswath of federal employee
layoffs that you know, becauseof all of the waste that you
know.
Studies have shown that dogedidn't really save all that much
money, if any.
But Trump supporters are notgoing to acknowledge that.
A lot of Trump supporters arenot going to acknowledge that
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I'm not going to characterizeall of them.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
A secret, real quick.
Not everybody that voted forTrump believes that he is a
conservative.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Well, I mean there's that too, because I think
there's a lot of value inconservative politics and I
don't think that there's nearlyas much value in blind loyalty
to a person, regardless of whothey are.
But you know Trump supportersin Columbus a lot of them are
not going to acknowledge that.
You know, the CMSD parade waswaste and this is waste too for
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the same reason, just adifferent scope, scope, scale,
it's different, but theprinciple is the same, and you
know there's.
I'm going to give you anotherpersonal example and I spent a
well-documented three and a halfyears in the misdemeanor court
system here on trumped upcharges that were eventually
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dismissed.
Democratic City Administrationhad me handcuffed and perp
walked out of my place, out ofthe place where I work, in front
of people that I worked with.
And they did that because Itook a photo of a public record
that showed the administrationthe Democratic administration
had colluded with a Democraticcity council person to use
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city-owned facilities forpersonal reasons at a discount.
I was doing my job and I wasjailed for it by a Democratic
administration.
Most everybody saw that forwhat it was and I appreciated a
lot of the well wishes I got forthat, but it was an attempt to
skirt transparency, put downdissent.
That's what it was skirttransparency, put down dissent.
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You know that sameadministration you know sent us
a cease and desist letter duringthe 2021 campaign.
It was telling us to stopreporting on the city's mounting
debt because you know it was aproblem for the campaign.
I remember that I see thoseefforts you know, that affected
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me on a personal level as thesame brand of nonsense, again
accounting for scope and scale,as Trump and some of his
supporters do all the time.
But somehow, you know thesepeople.
They yell and scream aboutdemocratic corruption and
particularly you know those whoare aggressively critical of
Columbus politics, but theydon't have that same opinion
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when Trump sends the military toquell a protest in LA or when a
US senator gets arrested in anevent for simply, you know, for
dissent.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Well, to your point, there was one lady that was not
long winded, she was actuallyjust ready to talk.
Anyway, she said to me thatthat that she actually is with
trump on the um issue of fraudand wanting to get rid of it,
right.
I don't think any reasonableperson doesn't want to get rid
of well that's what she said,and she said that the part that
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she didn't appreciate it was theum degree at which he
aggressively went into, allowedelon and big balls right, all
these people to go in fire.
Everybody hire them back, andso that actually looked to be
somewhat of a point of agreement.
I didn't get to say this to her, but to me the problem is we've
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tried the congenial approachfor years and years and years.
One of the themes that came upseveral times was that Trump
lies, he lies, he lies, he lies.
And how do we believe what hesaid?
And my response to a couple ofthese guys was well, I feel like
most of the people in DC lie.
You know, like whoever wasrunning the White House last
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time the auto pen lies right wasrunning the White House last
time the auto pen lies right.
So is there anybody out therethat you met?
That was like, yeah, I trustthe Democrats when they're in
power, I trust most people whenthey're in power, and as long as
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they don't have orange hair, Itrust them.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I don't think that that was what they were trying
to say either.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Yeah, so do you think they were anti-Trump or
anti-Republican or a mix of both.
Well, I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
I don't really want to speak for them in that
situation.
I mean, they spoke forthemselves.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Well, they were mad as hell about something.
I mean, they weren't incendiary, but they were.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Their signs were pretty specific to certain
issues and certain consequencesthat they felt were being levied
by this administration.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
One particular sign had a big fat swastika on it and
she says we don't want kingshere, we want to keep our
freedom.
We don't want Nazis here.
I said OK, one, includingmyself, would certainly agree
with that tenet.
But who are the Nazis?
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And then she said that ourfreedoms are being infringed
upon, and she had a list women,people of color, trans people,
right.
But I felt that she was alittle lacking as to the
specifics of how, the how therights of said people were being
infringed upon.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
I would encourage you to go talk to women, minorities
and trans people and ask them.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Fair enough, but do you think that you know, there's
actually.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
And I don't mean that to be to be sarcastic, oh,
you're fine.
I mean that because, you know,I'm not a female, I'm not a
minority.
I'm not a female, I'm not aminority, I'm not a trans person
.
So I don't feel qualified tosay one way or the other, that
that this is how, that theirreality is being affected.
I can see what their argumentis, but I don't want to make it
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for them because I don't think,I don't feel qualified to do
that, but neither are you a.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Nazi right Well certainly not, and I guess what
I'm saying to you is.
Within public discourse.
There is this phenomenon knownas Godwin's Law, and that is, if
you talk about one subject forlong enough, hitler is just
going to make his way into theconversation, and das just the
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way.
It is OK.
And when you've got somebodywho has such a huge personality,
believe me, as Donald Trump,and everybody talks about him 24
seven, you can't get his faceoff the news.
Well, eventually, the rhetoricis going to make its way toward
Nazi Germany, just because thatis like the epitome of the worst
of the worst, and they justhate him.
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Therefore, he's a Nazi.
Therefore, who else is a Nazi?
The people that follow himblindly.
Man, what a day you arelistening to Between the
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So we're back and we're talkingabout the protests here in
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columbus.
You know, zach, this kind ofreminds me of the tea party
protests that happened.
What would that be about 12years ago, or something to that?
Speaker 1 (26:06):
effect.
Let's say, yeah, 12 or 15 yearsago.
I actually wasn't here for that, but I was in Paragould,
arkansas, home of Joe MaxHiggins, when the guy who played
the mailman on Cheers wasriding the bus.
This was going to be 2012-ishand he was riding the bus all
(26:29):
over the country and yellingabout being taxed.
Enough already.
And yeah yeah, perigold was oneof the stops on Cliff Clavin's
bus tour.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Yeah, castle Jasper, tennessee, and Castle, tennessee
, are the two stops that I madejust to look around and I
remember that there was agathering, a healthy gathering.
Their signs not to make fun ofthem, but they were kind of
misspelled.
And I don't think that the TeaParty movement really was
(27:02):
unfortunate, it just didn'treally do anything.
And you don't think?
No, I just you know there's alot of people that say that the
advent of Trump is kind of adescendant of the Tea Party.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
But I don't think so Definitely a step on the way
there?
Speaker 3 (27:18):
yeah, Maybe so, but the thing is, the Tea Party
movement was a legitconservative movement and that's
what I liked about it, WhereasTrump, you know, as I said
earlier, he likes to spend somemoney, dude.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
He does Like not all the big beautiful bill, it's
ballooning the national debt.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Oh my goodness, look, listen, I don't believe.
I'll say this on the record Idon't believe that there should
be such a thing as a big,beautiful bill or a big ugly
bill Like the word omnibus.
That should not even be a thing.
Split that thing into littlepieces and make those
congressmen and make thosesenators vote on individual
(27:56):
issues.
Not this big, massive packagewhere all the pork and all the
spending just kind of squeaksthrough there unbeknownst to
everybody, because nobody canread something that large.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Nobody ever does Right.
Well, I think I really do thinkthat right now in our discourse.
I think that a lot of timesright now, and especially with
personalities like Trump and theanger that people are feeling
for different reasons and thiscan happen on the right, this
can happen on the left and I'veseen it happen on both sides but
(28:29):
the problem in the discourse isthat you know the principle
changes when the person changesand when you can look at the
same information or the sameacts or the same types of acts
and you can view themdifferently depending on who's
doing them.
I don't think it's a principleanymore.
(28:49):
I think it's a prejudice now,whatever, I'm not saying
prejudice any particular way,that's between that person and
God but it's not a principleanymore if you look at the same
thing and view it differently,and I think that there's a lot
of that going on with Trumpism.
I think there's a lot of thatthat goes on on the left, but I
(29:11):
think right now, with Trump inpower, there are a lot of people
Big, beautiful, bill being anexample, some other things being
an example, this paradetomorrow being an example.
These people are doing thiseither out of fear or because
they think that somehow they'regoing to benefit from, you know,
loyalty, or whatever the casemay be, loyalty to a person,
loyalty to a party, whatever,and to that, and if you don't
(29:32):
hear anything else I say today,I want to say this it's a JFK
quote from a long time ago thatI think is very relevant to that
, and it's those who foolishlysought power by riding the back
of the tiger, ended up inside.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Well, I don't think Trump is going to eat us.
I think he's looking out forour best interest To your point.
There was Biden derangementsyndrome.
Now, I think part of that wasby simple fact that we never saw
him.
We rarely saw him and we onlyknew what they told us about him
, except for when he would comeout on occasion.
(30:08):
That was a problem, and nowwe've got kind of the opposite
thing.
We've got Trump derangementsyndrome.
You hear about that a lot.
I did see some of that outthere on the street today.
I saw.
I will use foreign policy as anexample.
I thought it was well knownthat Trump just had a pretty
amazing trip to the Middle East,one of the big stops being the
(30:34):
United Arab Emirates, where theyabsolutely threw a parade for
him and danced and sung hispraises.
Well, the one guy that I spokewith wasn't even aware of that,
and to me that was just kind of.
You know, you only see what youwant to see sometimes when you
vilify somebody, and I thinkthat's unfortunate.
Well, if that's it, we'll callit a day.
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We don't always talk aboutnational issues, because there's
plenty of that in other newsoutlets, but we thought we'd
change the rhetoric todaybecause there are people in
Columbus that wanted to talkabout national issues.
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Today, zach and I visited theprotest in front of the library,
the Chibby Bateman Library.
Is that what they call it?
Chibi?
Chibi, that's how you say it.
Zach and I change gears alittle bit.
(02:51):
We go out in the rain and we'vegot some audio.
Don't know how good it is, butwe'll put it out there.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Apologies if it's not very good.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
But it was windy and it was not too bad hot and it
was a festive occasion, if Iwill say.
Here are some snippets fromZach and from myself.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Okay, I'm thinking that President Trump is acting
like a Nazi, not givingAmericans their rights, and I'm
out here protesting that this isAmerica, we're not Nazis.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
So that said, are there smart Republicans out
there?
Speaker 4 (03:24):
I believe there are yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
I believe they're being misguided and I don't
think they have any guts rightnow in Congress.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Lots of people coming by honking and I'm assuming
that that's one reaction y'allget.
I'm assuming maybe some othersdon't agree so much.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Well, very few.
Last week we only had two, uh,negative indications, I'll say
that.
And but last week we had a realuptick in honks and and thumbs
up and all that stuff.
So it may be taking, takinghold, hopefully, hope so I see
you've got some supporters outthere um.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Y'all said any cars on fire today?
Not, not yet.
No, we will.
Speaker 6 (04:05):
Hopefully not mine, Obviously you were opposed to
the parade tomorrow.
Oh my golly.
I kind of wish that some guywith a couple of shopping bags
would go out there and stand infront of the tanks, except
they'd probably send him to ElSalvador to El Salvador.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Do you think he's made any progress with, like the
United Arab Emirates and someof those other countries that,
like Obama, did not care to govisit?
Speaker 6 (04:30):
He has not made an impression on any foreign
country.
They see right through him,they know what he stands for,
they know what he's trying to do, just like we do.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
I pay my taxes, I'm a productive member of society
and I see that our rights arebeing infringed on daily with
the Trump administration.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Okay, which rights specifically if you don't mind
my asking do you feel areinfringed?
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Trans rights, gay rights, women's rights, brown
and black rights, anythingthat's not a white male.
I believe we're going.
Speaker 7 (05:07):
Our rights are in jeopardy at this point tell me a
little bit about, uh, whyyou're here, why you're feeling
the way you're feeling um, well,it's a lot of different things,
for when I have, um, I havefamily, that is um sort of every
, every facet of life, you know,like every different.
Everything they're saying no tois probably a family member of
(05:29):
mine or my friend, and I'm thetype of person I just don't, I
don't, no, okay.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
I don't know what.
Speaker 7 (05:37):
I'm here for.
I'm here for freedom.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Well, what do you think about the parade tomorrow
that is planned?
Speaker 5 (05:43):
I'm going to the protest over in Starkville.
Okay, it's outrageous.
I mean, if he wants to spendmoney $45 million on something,
give it to the vets.
Speaker 6 (05:52):
Here's what I will say that Trump has lied to us
from the beginning, and thefolks that vote for him take him
at his word and don't evencheck what he says.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Full disclosure I'm a Trump supporter, but I'm not
like one of those that justsupports him blindly.
There are certain things abouthim that I like and certain
things that I really don't.
Speaker 8 (06:11):
Well, guess what.
There are a few things that Iagree with as well, Such as, if
you don't mind, so one, Ibelieve there is fraud.
I don't think it is widespread.
You said what do I support?
I support finding fraud.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
What do you think of Doge and Big Balls and folks
like that going into the systemand trying to eliminate?
Speaker 8 (06:33):
That was one of the things I would have been for.
If you had systematically goneinto a department and looked to
see who we can cut and not tearthe agency apart, I was all for
it.
But to go down and fireeverybody and then shut down the
agency and then have to go backand rehire them, that is not
(06:56):
good.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Your sign today says dump Trump, I guess, and no
kings okay.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
Because they have a dictator in charge of things now
and that's not in the Americanway at all.
I'm a vet, I wouldn't work forhim and I have trouble seeing
where he's coming from.
Speaker 8 (07:15):
Putin invaded Ukraine .
He needs to leave and we needto support Ukraine.
The second thing is I believein due process.
Speaker 7 (07:26):
I don't, I don't.
Well, I didn't support himbecause of all the you know, all
the sexual assault charges andstuff.
I, you know I'm I am a survivorof domestic abuse, so I've been
at the hand of patriarchy and Ijust this is not for me, you
know, and this is not where Iwant to leave my daughters, my
granddaughters.
You know, it's just, it's atravesty.
(07:49):
I don't want to see anybodyhurt.
I don't.
I love people, I love allhumans.
I think we all have a right tobe here.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Debbie, I'm going to shake your hand if you're okay
with it.
It was nice to meet you today.
You know what?
See we?
We can talk.
That's what it's all about.
Speaker 9 (08:02):
When you put out there misinformation about the
accuracy and effectiveness ofvaccines, then you get people
who are not protected againstthese diseases.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
How have you seen the change in how you guys are
regarded over time?
Speaker 9 (08:23):
I'm hearing a lot of people driving by honking.
I think people are beginning torealize that protests do work,
and we're doing our own littlebit of protesting down here too.
Speaker 6 (08:33):
To demonstrate at least that a number of people
are educated enough in thiscountry that we know what he is
and who he is and what he standsfor and what he's trying to do.
He's trying to eliminate theConstitution.
He has not done anything.
That was he has not doneanything, not the first thing
that I consider to have been inthe best interest of this
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country.
Can you name one?
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Well, there are, as you know, 80 million people,
including myself, who did votefor Trump.
Do you think that all of us arein the same category or do you
think there's some middle ground?
I'd like to know how deep thebut, how deep the disdain for
the whole Trump nation is forpeople out here like yourself
doing a peaceful demonstration.
(09:18):
Pretty deep, Pretty deep.
How many cars burning is anacceptable number?
How many cars burning is anacceptable number?
Speaker 6 (09:24):
If they're Republican , cars no limit.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I appreciate your spirit.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Yes, sir, about 20 people there in total, would you
say I think it would have beenmore if it hadn't been for the
um, you know, the oncoming stormthat we got caught in a little
bit.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
It was, um, it was not terribly hot.
I was worried when, when I hadlearned about this assignment,
that we were just going to goout there and get roasted.
But it was nice and cloudy andit rained on us a little bit,
but you know, we didn't, um, gettotally drenched.
Your curls are a little bit outof whack today, but nothing
happens Nothing terriblydisturbing.
What did you?
(10:03):
Did you learn anythingdifferent?
I mean, was it, was it all justkind of as expected?
Speaker 1 (10:08):
I mean yeah to me.
I mean we've been coveringthese protests on and off since
they since they started I guesswhat, two, three months ago.
And a lot of those folks outthere today mentioned that they
were going to be in startletomorrow for the no kings mass
protest as a nationwide movement.
But uh, the one locally will bein startle.
Uh, it's going to be uh fromnoon to 1 30 uh tomorrow outside
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the uh hub on north jacksonstreet and east main street or
at north jackson street and eastmain street in startle.
That's the uh old cadence bank,that uh hub on North Jackson
Street and East Main Street, orat North Jackson Street and East
Main Street in Starkville.
That's the old Cadence Bank.
That now is the workspace, Ithink, that Michael Guest's
office.
He keeps an office in thatbuilding.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Michael Guest is going to allow for that.
Well, I guess if he rents thebuilding he doesn't really have
a choice, though it'sinteresting to me.
I wonder who sponsors this?
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Indivisible, which is a group that has a lot of
chapters nationwide.
It's a left-leaning group andthere's a local chapter that's
sponsoring.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Let me ask you this what was your response?
Were they like kick rocks?
Or Were they like kick rocks orwere they like let's talk?
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Well, I had about half and half that wanted to
talk.
Even the ones who declined didso friendly and usually
explained the reasons why.
But you know a lot of folks.
I just asked them what was ontheir sign, or read what was on
their sign, asked them why thatwas what they uh chose to chose
to present during the protest.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
How long they've been coming out it's kind of like
college game day out there alittle bit, yeah, yeah without
the, without the helmets youknow, without the elephant
helmet or a donkey helmet.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
One thing that's been the takeaway of that protest
since it started was one it'sbeen growing and the layers of
it have been getting different.
Different people are coming outthere protesting different
things, not necessarilydifferent principles, but
different parts of you know whatthey see to be a problem with
the administration.
They're doing so peacefully.
(12:10):
They're, you know, behavingthemselves and they're standing
by their sides, they're talkingabout their issues and they're,
uh, real new.
They're very nuanced, they'relayered um and they're they're
out there.
I talked to this, uh, one personthat I asked.
I said you make a lot offriends out here since, uh,
since you started coming, andher response was you know, not
(12:34):
only was she meeting more people, but and and we've heard this
before there are a lot of peoplewho, in the conservative South,
you know, in a county that wentfor Trump, in a state that very
heavily went for Trump, theyfeel very much like maybe
they're the only one, or maybeone of very few, who feels the
way that they do about aparticular issue, and they're
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finding out through exerciseslike this that that's not true,
and I don't think that that's abad thing, regardless of what
your position is on a subject Ican certainly appreciate anybody
that is peacefully exercisingtheir First Amendment.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Let me ask you this Do you think anybody was out
there really intent on changingsomeone's mind as they passed by
, or is it just?
I mean, I just have to questionwhen you stand in protest of
something that 80 million peoplevoted on the other side of
right, what is your end goal inthat?
Speaker 1 (13:34):
right, I mean because , obviously, let me respond to
your question with this questiondavid, who won the 2020
election?
Speaker 3 (13:41):
well, joe biden did according to the uh most people.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
You know I'm not an election denier, but okay, there
are a lot of election deniersout there and you and and those
people were very loud for fouryears and very passionately
believed and wanted everyoneelse to believe what they had to
say and they had the right toexpress it.
I rolled my eyes at it, justvery similarly to how you
(14:07):
probably rolled your eyes atsome of the things that were
being protested today, but ithappened.
You seem to be implying herethat the majority rules the
narrative.
The majority rules the system.
That's true and I believe inthat.
That's a democratic process.
I'm certainly not going to denythat Donald Trump won the 2024
election and that is what it isand the policies that come from
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it do, because the systemrewards the majority vote.
It just does.
The system rewards the majorityvote it just does.
But the majority vote does notdictate the narrative and it
does not.
You know, we don't live in1984's Ingsoc, so a person's
ability and willingness to goout and protest and to dissent
(14:51):
and to do so peacefully, I thinkis important, and you know, I
know a lot of people in between2020 and 2024 who were Trump
supporters who thought it wasvery important.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
One thing that came up more than once as a challenge
to me was the January 6thprotests.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Right.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Right and to their surprise, I was actually the
insurrection, if you want tocall it that.
I, to their surprise, wasactually on board saying you
know that was a bad day foreverybody, and for Republicans,
because I'm sitting here acrossfrom you.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I condemn violence regardless of who it is, and
that was a violent day, and ifit had been the supporters of
Obama doing that, I would havecondemned it then too.
It was violence is violence.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
I think when you look at what's happening in Los
Angeles, I mean, we're here inthe friendly city of Columbus
and we only know what thenational media or the people on
X tell us.
But regardless, when you lookat stuff like that, it's like
holy cow.
You know how do you processthat level of anger, that level
(16:07):
of rage, without just steppingback and saying, hey, this is
just flat wrong.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Here's what I'm going to say about that and I want to
use a couple of local examples,and one of them is deeply
personal.
Last fall the city drops $5,000on a parade for CMSD.
They are celebrating their Baccountability rating.
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They wanted to have a parade.
The school district went to thecity, asked for $5,000.
They were given that $5,000,and that was egregious.
You know whether you agree withthe need for the parade
celebrate the kids, that's fine.
That cost was high.
The optics were terrible.
There were other ways for thecity to support that parade and
(16:58):
it still be done right.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
If you speak out against that kind of thing, it
makes you look bad yeah, yeah,yeah, which I'm getting to that,
but it seemed wasteful.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
I believed it at the time and the people who didn't
want to listen to how wastefulit was.
But lots of, you know, lots offolks felt the way that I did
about the cD parade, that it waswasteful.
But they have no problem withour dear leaders.
$45 million birthday partytomorrow with tanks and you know
whatever.
And you know, putting aside thevery Soviet Nicaraguan optics
(17:31):
of this planned parade,nicaraguan yeah, I'm going to
have to look that one up.
How do the people, how arepeople not jumping up and down?
How are the same people incolumbus, just say in columbus,
how are the same people incolumbus, uh, who jumped up and
down about cmsd's parade, notlooking at that 45 million
dollar parade tomorrow and going, uh, no yeah why?
(17:53):
why would we do?
Because you gotta remember, youknow we're just coming off a
doge and we're coming off of theswath of federal employee
layoffs that you know, becauseof all of the waste that you
know.
Studies have shown that dogedidn't really save all that much
money, if any.
But Trump supporters are notgoing to acknowledge that.
A lot of Trump supporters arenot going to acknowledge that
(18:14):
I'm not going to characterizeall of them.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
A secret, real quick.
Not everybody that voted forTrump believes that he is a
conservative.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Well, I mean there's that too, because I think
there's a lot of value inconservative politics and I
don't think that there's nearlyas much value in blind loyalty
to a person, regardless of whothey are.
But you know Trump supportersin Columbus a lot of them are
not going to acknowledge that.
You know, the CMSD parade waswaste and this is waste too for
(18:44):
the same reason, just adifferent scope, scope, scale,
it's different, but theprinciple is the same, and you
know there's.
I'm going to give you anotherpersonal example and I spent a
well-documented three and a halfyears in the misdemeanor court
system here on trumped upcharges that were eventually
(19:05):
dismissed.
Democratic City Administrationhad me handcuffed and perp
walked out of my place, out ofthe place where I work, in front
of people that I worked with.
And they did that because Itook a photo of a public record
that showed the administrationthe Democratic administration
had colluded with a Democraticcity council person to use
(19:26):
city-owned facilities forpersonal reasons at a discount.
I was doing my job and I wasjailed for it by a Democratic
administration.
Most everybody saw that forwhat it was and I appreciated a
lot of the well wishes I got forthat, but it was an attempt to
skirt transparency, put downdissent.
That's what it was skirttransparency, put down dissent.
(19:49):
You know that sameadministration you know sent us
a cease and desist letter duringthe 2021 campaign.
It was telling us to stopreporting on the city's mounting
debt because you know it was aproblem for the campaign.
I remember that I see thoseefforts you know, that affected
(20:11):
me on a personal level as thesame brand of nonsense, again
accounting for scope and scale,as Trump and some of his
supporters do all the time.
But somehow, you know thesepeople.
They yell and scream aboutdemocratic corruption and
particularly you know those whoare aggressively critical of
Columbus politics, but theydon't have that same opinion
(20:33):
when Trump sends the military toquell a protest in LA or when a
US senator gets arrested in anevent for simply, you know, for
dissent.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Well, to your point, there was one lady that was not
long winded, she was actuallyjust ready to talk.
Anyway, she said to me thatthat that she actually is with
trump on the um issue of fraudand wanting to get rid of it,
right.
I don't think any reasonableperson doesn't want to get rid
of well that's what she said,and she said that the part that
(21:07):
she didn't appreciate it was theum degree at which he
aggressively went into, allowedelon and big balls right, all
these people to go in fire.
Everybody hire them back, andso that actually looked to be
somewhat of a point of agreement.
I didn't get to say this to her, but to me the problem is we've
(21:30):
tried the congenial approachfor years and years and years.
One of the themes that came upseveral times was that Trump
lies, he lies, he lies, he lies.
And how do we believe what hesaid?
And my response to a couple ofthese guys was well, I feel like
most of the people in DC lie.
You know, like whoever wasrunning the White House last
(21:51):
time the auto pen lies right wasrunning the White House last
time the auto pen lies right.
So is there anybody out therethat you met?
That was like, yeah, I trustthe Democrats when they're in
power, I trust most people whenthey're in power, and as long as
(22:11):
they don't have orange hair, Itrust them.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I don't think that that was what they were trying
to say either.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Yeah, so do you think they were anti-Trump or
anti-Republican or a mix of both.
Well, I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
I don't really want to speak for them in that
situation.
I mean, they spoke forthemselves.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Well, they were mad as hell about something.
I mean, they weren't incendiary, but they were.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Their signs were pretty specific to certain
issues and certain consequencesthat they felt were being levied
by this administration.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
One particular sign had a big fat swastika on it and
she says we don't want kingshere, we want to keep our
freedom.
We don't want Nazis here.
I said OK, one, includingmyself, would certainly agree
with that tenet.
But who are the Nazis?
(23:12):
And then she said that ourfreedoms are being infringed
upon, and she had a list women,people of color, trans people,
right.
But I felt that she was alittle lacking as to the
specifics of how, the how therights of said people were being
infringed upon.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
I would encourage you to go talk to women, minorities
and trans people and ask them.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Fair enough, but do you think that you know, there's
actually.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
And I don't mean that to be to be sarcastic, oh,
you're fine.
I mean that because, you know,I'm not a female, I'm not a
minority.
I'm not a female, I'm not aminority, I'm not a trans person
.
So I don't feel qualified tosay one way or the other, that
that this is how, that theirreality is being affected.
I can see what their argumentis, but I don't want to make it
(24:02):
for them because I don't think,I don't feel qualified to do
that, but neither are you a.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Nazi right Well certainly not, and I guess what
I'm saying to you is.
Within public discourse.
There is this phenomenon knownas Godwin's Law, and that is, if
you talk about one subject forlong enough, hitler is just
going to make his way into theconversation, and das just the
(24:30):
way.
It is OK.
And when you've got somebodywho has such a huge personality,
believe me, as Donald Trump,and everybody talks about him 24
seven, you can't get his faceoff the news.
Well, eventually, the rhetoricis going to make its way toward
Nazi Germany, just because thatis like the epitome of the worst
of the worst, and they justhate him.
(24:51):
Therefore, he's a Nazi.
Therefore, who else is a Nazi?
The people that follow himblindly.
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So we're back and we're talkingabout the protests here in
(25:57):
columbus.
You know, zach, this kind ofreminds me of the tea party
protests that happened.
What would that be about 12years ago, or something to that?
Speaker 1 (26:06):
effect.
Let's say, yeah, 12 or 15 yearsago.
I actually wasn't here for that, but I was in Paragould,
arkansas, home of Joe MaxHiggins, when the guy who played
the mailman on Cheers wasriding the bus.
This was going to be 2012-ishand he was riding the bus all
(26:29):
over the country and yellingabout being taxed.
Enough already.
And yeah yeah, perigold was oneof the stops on Cliff Clavin's
bus tour.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Yeah, castle Jasper, tennessee, and Castle, tennessee
, are the two stops that I madejust to look around and I
remember that there was agathering, a healthy gathering.
Their signs not to make fun ofthem, but they were kind of
misspelled.
And I don't think that the TeaParty movement really was
(27:02):
unfortunate, it just didn'treally do anything.
And you don't think?
No, I just you know there's alot of people that say that the
advent of Trump is kind of adescendant of the Tea Party.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
But I don't think so Definitely a step on the way
there?
Speaker 3 (27:18):
yeah, Maybe so, but the thing is, the Tea Party
movement was a legitconservative movement and that's
what I liked about it, WhereasTrump, you know, as I said
earlier, he likes to spend somemoney, dude.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
He does Like not all the big beautiful bill, it's
ballooning the national debt.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Oh my goodness, look, listen, I don't believe.
I'll say this on the record Idon't believe that there should
be such a thing as a big,beautiful bill or a big ugly
bill Like the word omnibus.
That should not even be a thing.
Split that thing into littlepieces and make those
congressmen and make thosesenators vote on individual
(27:56):
issues.
Not this big, massive packagewhere all the pork and all the
spending just kind of squeaksthrough there unbeknownst to
everybody, because nobody canread something that large.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Nobody ever does Right.
Well, I think I really do thinkthat right now in our discourse.
I think that a lot of timesright now, and especially with
personalities like Trump and theanger that people are feeling
for different reasons and thiscan happen on the right, this
can happen on the left and I'veseen it happen on both sides but
(28:29):
the problem in the discourse isthat you know the principle
changes when the person changesand when you can look at the
same information or the sameacts or the same types of acts
and you can view themdifferently depending on who's
doing them.
I don't think it's a principleanymore.
(28:49):
I think it's a prejudice now,whatever, I'm not saying
prejudice any particular way,that's between that person and
God but it's not a principleanymore if you look at the same
thing and view it differently,and I think that there's a lot
of that going on with Trumpism.
I think there's a lot of thatthat goes on on the left, but I
(29:11):
think right now, with Trump inpower, there are a lot of people
Big, beautiful, bill being anexample, some other things being
an example, this paradetomorrow being an example.
These people are doing thiseither out of fear or because
they think that somehow they'regoing to benefit from, you know,
loyalty, or whatever the casemay be, loyalty to a person,
loyalty to a party, whatever,and to that, and if you don't
(29:32):
hear anything else I say today,I want to say this it's a JFK
quote from a long time ago thatI think is very relevant to that
, and it's those who foolishlysought power by riding the back
of the tiger, ended up inside.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Well, I don't think Trump is going to eat us.
I think he's looking out forour best interest To your point.
There was Biden derangementsyndrome.
Now, I think part of that wasby simple fact that we never saw
him.
We rarely saw him and we onlyknew what they told us about him
, except for when he would comeout on occasion.
(30:08):
That was a problem, and nowwe've got kind of the opposite
thing.
We've got Trump derangementsyndrome.
You hear about that a lot.
I did see some of that outthere on the street today.
I saw.
I will use foreign policy as anexample.
I thought it was well knownthat Trump just had a pretty
amazing trip to the Middle East,one of the big stops being the
(30:34):
United Arab Emirates, where theyabsolutely threw a parade for
him and danced and sung hispraises.
Well, the one guy that I spokewith wasn't even aware of that,
and to me that was just kind of.
You know, you only see what youwant to see sometimes when you
vilify somebody, and I thinkthat's unfortunate.
Well, if that's it, we'll callit a day.
(30:56):
I thank you guys for listeningto us and for joining us.
We don't always talk aboutnational issues, because there's
plenty of that in other newsoutlets, but we thought we'd
change the rhetoric todaybecause there are people in
Columbus that wanted to talkabout national issues.
So we went there and we'd liketo hear your comments about it.
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Y'all keep it friendly andwe'll keep it real.
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