July 27, 2025 • 35 mins
Actor and author Braden Sorbo shares his personal journey from evangelical roots to embracing the Catholic faith amidst backlash in Hollywood. At just 23, Sorbo discusses growing up with famous parents, homeschooling, and entering the acting world by his own merit. He opens up about the challenges of being outspoken about his conservative, Christian, and Catholic beliefs in today’s entertainment industry, including facing harsh criticism and threats. Braden also reflects on the theological reasons behind his conversion to Catholicism and the importance of living out faith through works, not just belief. This episode offers an insightful look into navigating personal faith and career in a complex cultural landscape.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:00):
With my Catholic and political stances, I fear that
Hollywood doesn't necessarilywant to work with me nearly as
much anymore because of who I amand what it means to be
Christian, to be Catholic, andto be conservative.
SPEAKER_00 (00:11):
Do you really feel like you've gotten backlash for
being a conservative?
SPEAKER_01 (00:15):
I have death threats.
I have all these things.
On top of me posting just somecomments such as, you know, egg
prices going down or bordercrossings down 93%, I'll be
getting comments like, this isthe brainwashed cult.
I mean, that's what most of mycomment section is.
Catholics in particular, evenamong Christian groups, are the
most attacked group ofChristians.
I mean, I've been raisedevangelical, non-denominational
my whole life, and the day thatI announced that I was looking
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into Catholicism, I receivedmultiple texts from Protestant
friends of mine saying, don't godown this path, you're following
the devil, like, you're gonna goto hell.
SPEAKER_00 (00:47):
We're here today in Palm Beach with Braden Sorbo,
Beyond Saint, and we are goingto talk about his career, his
journey into the Catholic faith.
You've done a lot in your short23 years.
You're an actor, author.
Tell me a little bit aboutgrowing up, Sorbo.
SPEAKER_01 (01:11):
You know, it's funny because Whenever I go anywhere
with my parents and they findout who my parents are, they
always ask me, well, what was itlike growing up with famous
parents?
And to me, it was normal becauseI have no other point of
reference.
I don't have something else togauge it on.
And so I grew up in ThousandOaks, California, a small town
about 40 miles north of LAitself.
And I was homeschooled fromsecond grade all the way through
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graduation.
We traveled a lot because my dadwas an actor.
And so my mom had a rule.
Anytime there was a movie beingfilmed that he was part of, if
he were going to be gone for twoor more weeks, he would bring us
along for at least a couple ofweeks.
couple days during that trip,kind of so that we could see our
dad, you know, spend some timewith him, time with family,
because it's always important.
And so my mom decided it wouldbe the best case scenario to
homeschool us.
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And so I grew up on sets inHollywood.
I grew up behind the scenes,friends with all the crafts and
caterers and the PAs and, youknow, the director, just
watching from afar as my dad wasin front of the lights and the
cameras having a blast doingwhat he loves to do.
And when I was about 11 yearsold, I told my dad, I was like,
you know, dad, I think I want tobe an actor like you.
And his first reaction was,please, God, no, don't do it.
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Because he knows how terribleHollywood is.
And so he tried to persuade meaway from it, but I obviously
didn't budge.
And so he signed me up foracting classes.
I went to Antonio Sabato Jr.''sacting class out in Westlake
Village, just a town next overfrom me.
And I took classes there forabout three years.
And on my 14th kind ofbirthday-ish, I booked a movie,
my first movie.
It was a audition for, becausein their words, it's not our
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money, we're not funding it, youhave to earn it, which I
appreciated because it gave me asense of accomplishment, not
that I was just given somethingfor the sake of being given it,
but that I'd actually workedhard and deserved it.
And so I turned 15 while we werefilming that, and ever since
then, I've roughly done aboutone movie a year, and my latest
film is called I Feel Fine, it'snow on Amazon and Paramount,
it's a heavy movie, deals withsuicide and OCD and depression
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and stuff like that, so it's apretty dark film, but we were
just up for a film festival inParis, I can't remember the name
of.
So it's been a blast doing that,although with my Catholic and
political stances, I fear thatHollywood doesn't necessarily
want to work with me nearly asmuch anymore because I've
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started with this online, notpersona, but just more being
outspoken in who I am and whatit means to be Christian, to be
Catholic, and to beconservative.
SPEAKER_00 (03:28):
Do you really feel like you've gotten backlash for
being a conservative?
SPEAKER_01 (03:33):
Oh, yeah.
I can show you my comments onInstagram.
I have death threats.
I have, you know, everything.
I made a joke because they castthe chick from the Wicked movie,
the girl who plays the witch,the black, bald, queer actress.
They cast her to play JesusChrist Superstar in the play
Jesus Christ Superstar.
And so I said, when are theygoing to cast a queer, black,
bald woman to play Muhammad?
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And I got people giving me deaththreats saying, how dare you
insult our prophet?
Do you want to die?
It's like Allah will smite youand all these things.
On top of me posting just somecomments such as, you know, egg
prices going down or bordercrossings down 93%, I'll be
getting comments like, this isthe brainwashed cult.
I mean, that's what most of mycomment section is.
It's a little bit funny at thispoint because I've made videos
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responding with cited evidencefrom leftist news sources that
back up what I'm saying, butpeople refuse to listen to the
truth even if it's dangled infront of their eyes.
SPEAKER_00 (04:25):
It's weird because we are the only religious that I
feel like can get attacked withno repercussion.
Because like you said, ifsomebody was to attack the
Prophet Muhammad, it wouldactually be death.
I think there was a bounty onhis head.
Was it Salman Rushdie?
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I think so, the
SPEAKER_01 (04:48):
artist?
SPEAKER_00 (04:48):
No, he was an author that spoke against the Muslim
religion.
there were like people werelooking for him to kill him
SPEAKER_01 (04:57):
yeah well we had a lady about a year or two after
god's not dead came out we had alady come up to us in the
airport we were in salt lakecity and this woman uh islamic
woman came up with her child andshe told my parents she said i
watched your movie god's notdead and i left islam and i had
to flee with my kid because myhusband tried to kill us both
SPEAKER_00 (05:15):
So
SPEAKER_01 (05:16):
we have real experiences from people who are
actually living this.
It's not just some sort of fake,you know, some people think it's
online.
It's going, oh, well, it's, youknow, it's not that bad in real
life.
It's actually worse in reallife.
And there's a reason whyCatholics in particular, even
among Christian groups, are themost attacked group of
Christians.
I mean, I've been raisedevangelical non-denominational
my whole life.
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And the day that I announcedthat I was looking into
Catholicism, I received multipletexts from Protestant friends of
mine saying, don't go down thispath.
you're following the devil,you're going to go to hell, idol
worshiper, all of these things.
Whereas my entire life as anon-denominational Christian,
not a single Catholic persontold me that I was condemned to
hell.
Not a single Catholic friend ofmine said, you're going down the
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wrong path, you need to becomecloser to Jesus, you need to do
all this stuff.
SPEAKER_00 (06:02):
What made you, because I spoke to your mother
about this, and we were atlunch, and I was obviously, I'm
a devout Catholic, and she toldme your father belongs to a
church called...
SPEAKER_01 (06:15):
He was raised Lutheran.
SPEAKER_00 (06:17):
Lutheran, but there's another church he
belongs to.
It starts with a C.
I can't remember
SPEAKER_01 (06:21):
the name.
Oh, Calvary Chapel.
SPEAKER_00 (06:22):
Calvary Chapel.
They were in the Calvary Chapel,and they're evangelical.
And she said, but my son isconverting.
And then I was like...
would you ever consider it?
I'm like, it's pretty amazing.
She goes, yes.
SPEAKER_01 (06:35):
I've been working on it.
I'm working on it.
SPEAKER_00 (06:37):
But what made you decide to convert from
evangelical to Catholicism?
I
SPEAKER_01 (06:46):
have always been Not a confrontational, but a person
who loves apologetics anddebate.
I never excelled in math andchemistry and the sciences and
stuff like that.
The numbers, once they startedadding letters to the numbers, I
got lost and I just sort of gaveup.
But I was great with thewriting, the history, the
debating.
Those were my strong suits.
I loved them.
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Even at 14 years old during the2016 election, I remember
debating people.
There was one time I was on anairplane where I debated a
history professor fromPepperdine who didn't know who
Saul Alinsky was, which is theman who wrote the play Olia
dedicated to Lucifer himselfthat Hillary Clinton did her
senior thesis on in college, andhe was supporting Hillary
Clinton during this election,and I, as a 14-year-old, am
telling him this, and he'sgoing, oh, you know.
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I have one of my best friends isa Seventh-day Adventist.
And I remember just out of theblue, he brings up how the
Catholic Church is theAntichrist and they're the whore
of Babylon from the Book ofRevelation.
He's giving me, well, it saysthat you'll be clothed in
scarlet and they wear purple.
And I was like, okay, you know,I've always known Catholics are
kind of like, you know, weird.
They pray to saints and theydrink wine and they have all
that.
But I never looked into it.
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And when he made these crazyunsubstantiated claims, it kind
of forced my hand.
It made me go, all right, I needto actually check this out.
And so I started looking intoit.
And I started with apostolicsuccession, with St.
Peter being given the keys tothe kingdom.
And then I went down the path ofMary's perpetual virginity and
life of sinlessness.
And I eventually got to theEucharist and the Eucharist
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actually transforming into thebody and blood of Christ.
And once I had that, once I hadstarted going down that path, it
was too late.
I was like, all right, well nowI have to be committed because
this is very clearly the onechurch that Christ founded.
This isn't a church founded byman.
This isn't a church that'sdecided what they want for their
own benefit.
This is a church of martyrs whohave all been killed for the
faith when they were foundingit.
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I actually just this morningcame to the conclusion that if
we truly believe in faith alone,then the martyrs died for
nothing.
Because if all you need is faithand you don't need any sort of
work or any sort of proof ofthat faith to live your life a
certain way, then you can dowhatever you want.
And as long as you say, well,God's my best friend, then
you're guaranteed heaven.
And if I were the devil, that'sexactly what I would tell
people.
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Because that is the best way tokeep people away from heaven.
The devil knows Christ betterthan anyone.
He knows scripture.
He quoted it during Jesus's 40days in the wilderness.
But he misquoted it on purpose.
And that's what happens topeople today.
I mean, we look at Everythinggoing on.
My mom and sister went to adifferent church.
I still go to Mass, obviously.
But my mom and sister went toanother church this past Sunday.
And the sermon essentially was,once saved, always saved.
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There's no way for you to fallaway as long as Jesus is your
friend.
And that's a cop-out.
That's me going, well, you know,I'm saved, but I still have
premarital sex.
I'm saved, but, you know, Ismoke, I drink, I eat in excess.
I do all these things, but I'mstill saved.
It's like, well, you're stillgoing to be judged, just like in
1 Corinthians says, by yourworks.
A man's works, Paul writes, willbe tested by fire, whether
they're built with hay, straw,or wood, or iron, diamonds, or
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stone.
The fire will consume, otherwiseknown as purgatory, and cleanse,
and those works will be testedagainst him, and he'll be led
into heaven.
SPEAKER_00 (09:44):
What did you give up for Lent?
SPEAKER_01 (09:45):
Me, I gave up a lot of social media.
I still use it for postingbecause that's what I do for a
living, but I would find myselfoften getting distracted where I
would just scroll for 30minutes, 20 minutes,
SPEAKER_00 (09:56):
and I would go do something else.
It's so satisfying.
SPEAKER_01 (09:58):
I know, and I would go right back.
So satisfying.
And so I put a time limit on myYouTube to stop me from doing
that.
SPEAKER_00 (10:03):
That's good, that's good.
I gave up alcohol and soda, andI'm telling you, It's not been
easy.
SPEAKER_01 (10:10):
I could give up soda, but I don't drink soda, so
I feel like that'd be cheating.
SPEAKER_00 (10:13):
Yeah, I know.
You have to give up somethingyou love.
So for me, it was a glass ofwine.
For me, it was a Coke once aday.
I was like, oh, I can't handlethis.
But I'm trucking through it.
How was it being homeschooled?
SPEAKER_01 (10:27):
It was great.
I loved it.
You did?
I was the popular kid back inpublic school, first and second
grade.
I was always on the basketballcourt.
My parents said that I waspreparing to be a bully because
I was one of the popular kids.
But when I became homeschooled,I sort of lost all my
competitive drive because as anextrovert, I love being around
people and I love competing withother people.
And so when I becamehomeschooled, I started eating
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popcorn every night with candy,watching a movie, you know, not
working out, not taking care ofmyself.
And I became a chubby kid.
And so by like 14, 15, I startedgrowing.
So I started stretching out alittle bit, thinning out that
way.
But by 16 is when I kind ofhopped in the gym and that
definitely changed my life.
But the homeschooling aspect ofit was great because I could
wake up at, you know, 5 a.m.,get all my work done before 8,
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and then I had the whole dayfree, and that was really fun.
SPEAKER_00 (11:13):
That's really cool, actually.
But I feel like it would be alittle isolating.
SPEAKER_01 (11:18):
It really depends on how people go about it.
There's plenty of homeschoolcurriculums and programs and
co-ops that people are now doingthat have that social aspect.
I mean, like I said, I couldn'tdebate myself.
My favorite subject was debate.
I had to be part of something.
And so we joined a co-op calledClassical Conversations, which
is Lee Bortons.
Robert Bortons is the CEO now.
He's the son.
And it is a classicalcurriculum, Latin math, science,
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chemistry, history, theology,debate, writing, all the
different curricular activitiesthat you would need.
And you meet once a week at abuilding typically it's a church
that lends their facilities forthe day kind of thing and
everyone goes over the work forthe week they go over what they
went what last week what they'regoing through the next week and
then you disperse and then youhave the whole week to do the
work that you talked about andyou meet right back up so once a
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week you're getting that socialengagement and more if you want
to
SPEAKER_00 (12:04):
so it was a good experience for you
SPEAKER_01 (12:06):
without a doubt I'll be doing it with my kids
SPEAKER_00 (12:08):
oh oh your mom's a big proponent of homeschooling
how did growing up in Hollywoodthe Hollywood environment affect
your perspective on faith andpolitics, really?
SPEAKER_01 (12:21):
It was definitely interesting because when I'm
eight years old, I don't reallyhave an idea of any of that.
I don't necessarily understandhow any of it works.
And so by the time I was oldenough to really get a grasp on
it, my dad had fully oustedhimself as a conservative and
had begun working moreindependently than in Hollywood.
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And so I never really got to seefirsthand how the Hollywood
scene was.
If it was anything like any ofthe independent movies that we
were part of, the majority ofthe cast and crew were on the
same side.
They were just less vocal.
SPEAKER_00 (12:54):
Who's your favorite saint?
SPEAKER_01 (12:56):
So I love St.
Michael the Archangel justbecause I love the aspect of
stabbing Satan through the head.
I have a poster of it in my backroom of my podcast studio that I
built.
But my personal patron saintthat I've chosen is St.
Justin Martyr, who was one ofthe first apologists for the
church, wrote numerous letters.
His first apology is actually...
A highly recommended read.
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The paragraphs 60 through 65cover the Eucharist in great
detail.
And it not only proves thevalidity of the Eucharist, but
the fact that it's been aroundsince the first apostles.
Because this is something thatwas written, you know, a couple,
it was like 120 AD, I believe,maybe 200 AD.
And so St.
Justin Martyr was killed forthis.
He was executed.
And so his symbols are an axefor his execution and a quill
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because of what he wrote.
And I, as wanting to be anapologist, figured he would be
the perfect guy.
SPEAKER_00 (13:45):
You're 23 years old and I think Carlo Acutis is
being canonized on the 27th ofApril.
Can you relate to him beinglike, you guys are somewhat
similar ages?
Is
SPEAKER_01 (14:01):
that the kid from South America, the 15 or 16 year
old?
I
SPEAKER_00 (14:05):
think they lived in Italy.
but I think...
He's the
SPEAKER_01 (14:08):
newest saint, right?
The newest saint, yeah, yeah,yeah.
The younger kid, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (14:11):
Do you know anything about him?
He talks a lot about, he talkeda lot about Eucharistic miracles
and...
SPEAKER_01 (14:15):
Yes, so he was also big on social media and that
component, that was
SPEAKER_00 (14:19):
what...
He's the patron saint of social,yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (14:21):
Yes, so I love that.
I didn't pick him as my patronsaint and it could have been
just because I felt weirdpicking someone who lived at the
same time as I did, but I'm notentirely sure why I didn't.
I mean, I love Justin Martyr'sapologia in general and I think
it still applies to socialmedia, which is where I plan on
using it.
I didn't pick Carlos just forthat reason, I suppose.
SPEAKER_00 (14:42):
What's your favorite prayer?
SPEAKER_01 (14:44):
Hmm.
Oh, favorite prayer is tough.
My favorite prayer is JesusChrist, Son of God, have mercy
on me, a sinner.
That is the prayer that puts youin the proper headspace to enter
into that kind of relationshipwith God, is to enter into the
throne room, to kneel at thefoot of the chair and to be
there present.
It is something that you can sitand repeat in your head or
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repeat out loud for as manytimes as you need.
And it's not a vain, repetitiousprayer unless you make it mean
nothing.
But it's supposed to put you inthat space of Jesus Christ, Son
of God, have mercy on me, asinner.
It puts you exactly where youneed to be.
SPEAKER_00 (15:22):
Gets you straight.
You wrote two books, and one ofthem is on masculinity.
SPEAKER_01 (15:28):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (15:29):
There's so much banter around the word
masculinity.
Talk to me a little bit abouthow you define masculinity and
what that means to you.
SPEAKER_01 (15:38):
Well, masculinity is obviously exemplified through
Jesus more than anyone elsepossibly could, but from a human
perspective, from a solely humanperspective, something that's
achievable, masculinity isresponsibility.
Masculinity is taking charge andcaring for those that you
otherwise don't necessarily haveto care for.
I mean, my dad didn't have tomarry my mom and take care of
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her, but he did.
He didn't have to have kids andtake care of us, but he does.
So masculinity is this tenet ofbeing able to take care of
others and then choosing to dothat.
Now, I will say, not everyone isworth taking care of.
I mean, you have plenty ofpeople who are going out and
saying things like, well, whereare all the good men?
And a lot of people have pushedthem away simply because they
don't understand whatmasculinity is.
I mean, what we've What we'vedone is society's taken true
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masculinity, the essence of it,which are comfort,
responsibility, protection,provision, and they've replaced
it so that we think masculinitynow is dominance, overbearing,
destructive, controlling.
We have all of these negativeconnotations around masculinity,
and so we push away any man thatcould resemble a protector,
provider, because he is a bigguy who wants to take care.
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And part of that wanting to takecare means taking
responsibility.
And if I'm dating someone, I'mtaking responsibility for them.
to be cautious of how they areacting because how they are
acting and what they are doingdoes reflect on me as the guy
who is supposed to be leadingthe relationship.
And so it's this give and takewhere we don't understand what
masculinity is because we'vealso forgotten what femininity
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is.
All the waves of feminism havegone from every single stage
until now.
It's basically at this point menare women.
It used to be we want to beequal to men and now it's men
are women.
We've lost the
SPEAKER_00 (17:16):
thread.
I can't even go down that rabbithole because I am...
old, probably your mother's age,and I can't even wrap my head
around that stuff.
I respect you however you chooseto live your life.
I respect that.
I think they should have thesame rights.
I don't believe indiscrimination for anything.
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But the minute we're debatingwhat a man and a woman is,
that's where I just get checkedout.
SPEAKER_01 (17:43):
Real man is someone who is not afraid to go against
the status quo.
That is the truth inmasculinity.
A man who is not able to defendhimself physically, should the
need arise, is not someone who'swilling to speak up and stand
out because he's not able todefend himself.
SPEAKER_00 (18:02):
You mean just vocally, not physically?
SPEAKER_01 (18:05):
No, I mean both.
I mean, if you do not pose athreat...
SPEAKER_00 (18:09):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (18:10):
in any way, shape or form, you are immediately a
target.
There was a famous childpredator guy had abducted plenty
of kids and they asked him, whatdo you look for?
He goes, I look for a weakfather or no father at all.
SPEAKER_00 (18:21):
I read that too.
That's so sad.
As a
SPEAKER_01 (18:24):
man, you need to be, if you are not capable of
violence, then you are not tame,you're just weak.
That's basically the entireaspect.
SPEAKER_00 (18:33):
Got it.
Got it.
Do you have a girlfriend?
SPEAKER_01 (18:38):
I don't.
Not currently.
SPEAKER_00 (18:40):
Why do you think you don't have a girlfriend?
I mean, you're super young.
That's one part.
SPEAKER_01 (18:43):
I've dated people before, but I don't see a point
in dating unless it's to marry.
And if I don't see myselfmarrying that person, or if I
did and I no longer do, then Idon't see the relationship going
any further and I end it.
I'm very logical with that.
I love the idea of beingcomfortable with somebody, but
if I don't see a future with it,I'm not going to waste their
time or waste mine.
And that's...
what I've been doing my entirelife.
SPEAKER_00 (19:04):
You're very much an exception.
I mean, you really arepracticing, I guess, I don't
want to be presumptuous, butabstinence and I guess you're
celibate?
SPEAKER_01 (19:20):
I am, yes.
SPEAKER_00 (19:21):
And I don't want to assume, but it just feels like
from how you're speaking thatyou're really trying to
follow...
the steps of Christ.
SPEAKER_01 (19:28):
Yeah, I didn't always, unfortunately, because
of how I was raised, the wholeidea of evangelical, like when
you have faith, you're all good.
I took that literally and said,oh, as long as I apologize to
Jesus after I do X, Y, or Z,everything's okay.
And obviously that's not thecase.
But I mean, I could tell you mytestimony if you would like, if
we have time.
SPEAKER_00 (19:48):
Would love to hear your testimony.
SPEAKER_01 (19:50):
All right.
So at eight years old, Idiscovered pornography.
through a virus on my computer.
I was just watching YouTubevideos and I clicked a link in
someone's description and thereit was.
And at eight years old, thatreally absorbs.
Now the average age for a boydiscovering porn in the United
States today is 10 to 11.
Back when I discovered it, eightwas 15 years ago now.
I gotta think the age might havebeen a little bit higher, 14,
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15.
But through my entire formativeyears, that was what I was
addicted to.
I'd seen every single thingimaginable and I went through
that addiction for about 12years and at 20 years old and I
would always you know go oh Godforgive me I feel so bad and
then then I would do that everynight when I watched and then it
became every week or maybe oncea month I would apologize and
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then it became once a year on mybirthdays I would have this big
emotional oh I'm gonna stop thisyear God just forgive me and
I'll be better and obviously youcan't do that that's not how
addiction works people peopledon't seem to realize that the
devil's favorite word is neverbecause he takes it as a
challenge so if I say oh neverdo this again, the devil goes,
really, you want to bet?
And then you end up doing itagain.
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The only way people can doanything is if they allow God to
do that.
And so at 20 years old, I said,okay, God, I'm done with this.
I can't do it anymore becauseall it does is hurt my
relationship with you.
I need you to take it away fromme.
And just over three years ago, Iquit a 12-year addiction cold
turkey.
And I say I quit, but obviouslyGod did for me.
And so it's been just over threeyears for me now, but that
12-year crippling addiction thatdestroyed my psyche ever since I
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was a child has been gone.
SPEAKER_00 (21:20):
That's insane to get addicted to porn at eight years
old.
SPEAKER_01 (21:23):
Yeah, I wrote a little bit about it.
in my book, Embrace Masculinity,it's a chapter called The Sex
Talk.
And I discuss pornography.
I discuss the crippling effectsand how it destroys not only
your body and your mind, but italso destroys your soul, it
corrodes your soul.
Every single chapter has a quoteon it.
And I quoted Phil Voilette fromBlack Violet, I think, and he
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says, I've looked at so muchporn, every single woman looks
vaguely familiar.
UNKNOWN (21:50):
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (21:51):
It's insane.
I read that people who have pornaddictions, when you put their
brains under an MRI, the brainlights up differently than a
healthy male brain.
SPEAKER_01 (22:00):
Yes, it does.
And the problem is we'vesubsidized porn and capitalized
on it.
What
SPEAKER_00 (22:06):
do you mean subsidized?
SPEAKER_01 (22:07):
We've made it accessible for everyone.
Softcore to hardcore.
Hollywood promotes it in movies.
Music promotes it with whatthey're speaking, with what
they're singing.
And we have a generation ofyoung men who are paying for
OnlyFans because...
they think it's good.
We have a generation of younggirls who are selling their
bodies on OnlyFans because theythink it's empowering.
All of this is pornography.
Whether or not it's clothes on,clothes off, you know,
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silhouettes, all of it's thesame because it leads to the
same goal.
It leads to destruction anddevaluation and there's a reason
for that.
The people who founded the pornindustry hate Christ.
Alvin Goldstein, who was knownas the father of hardcore
pornography, did an interviewwith Ford Magazine and he's
quoted as saying, we're inpornography Because we hate
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Christ, and we hate Hischildren, and we want to rip
them apart, essentially.
SPEAKER_00 (22:54):
Any professional or personal milestones that you
want to talk about that you'dlike to achieve?
SPEAKER_01 (23:00):
That I would like to, that I haven't achieved yet?
Yes.
Get married and have kids.
It comes with time, but getmarried and have kids.
What
SPEAKER_00 (23:07):
does your perfect wife look like?
Physically and spiritually.
That's
SPEAKER_01 (23:12):
tough.
Tall, athletic.
I'm an athletic person.
I like someone who is able tokeep up with me in that same
sense, someone who takes care oftheir body.
Because if you can be dedicatedto taking care of yourself, then
you can be dedicated to takingcare of a relationship.
So tall and athletic.
And then spiritually, Catholic.
Don't want to be unequallyyoked.
I want someone who is...
It
SPEAKER_00 (23:33):
would be tough, I think.
SPEAKER_01 (23:34):
It would be very, very hard.
I would have to be either not agood Christian or...
Or she would have to be betterthan me, basically, for it to
work in that sense.
And so someone who's Catholic,athletic, takes care of
themselves.
Tall is great because of theheight for the babies, having
strong NBA, Division I children.
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Yes, I want a lot of kids.
Non-negotiables arehomeschooling, needs to
homeschool.
SPEAKER_00 (24:00):
Wow.
Because
SPEAKER_01 (24:01):
this isn't just a me thing.
I'm not going to be sittingthere homeschooling the kids by
myself.
The father being the spiritualleader in the house is the most
important thing to a child'sdevelopment, but the mother also
needs to be there.
And if I'm supposed to beworking, then what are you going
to be doing with your spare timeif not helping take care of the
kids with me?
So homeschooling, taking care ofa household, someone who knows
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how to be tender, nurturing,loving, submissive.
I mean, I always say, there's somany guys who go, I just want a
submissive wife who's gonna dowhat I tell them.
And I go, great, so what are youdoing to be worthy of that
submission?
What steps are you taking wherea woman is gonna look at you and
be like, that's someone that Iwould follow.
That's someone that I wouldtrust to lead me.
You're not.
You're not worth submitting to.
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You are not a man.
That's all it is.
Now granted, In 2025, it isextraordinarily difficult to
find a woman who is worth beinga man for kind of thing, right?
Unfortunately, so many younggirls have been usurped by this
power that tells them, like,OnlyFans is good and to go,
spring break is coming up.
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I was down on Miami or FortLauderdale Beach last year with
a friend of mine interviewinggirls and a couple of the people
that we talked to, one girlstood out, she said, my goal is
to sleep with five people.
And we said, really?
And she said, yes, today.
And we said, what?
And so her goal was to have sexwith five different strangers
every single day down in FortLauderdale for a week straight.
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And she was serious.
She was a little bitintoxicated, so She was speaking
her mind, but she wasn't joking.
She wasn't laughing it off like,ha,
SPEAKER_00 (25:29):
ha, ha.
There's like this weirdmovement.
I play on social media a lot.
And this girl, Bonnie Blue.
SPEAKER_01 (25:39):
Yes, Bonnie Blue and Lily Phillips.
SPEAKER_00 (25:41):
Yeah.
Both of them.
So their whole goal in life isto, I think Bonnie Blue slept
with a thousand men.
SPEAKER_01 (25:48):
Yes.
And got pregnant and a coupleSTDs and things like that.
Yeah, that's.
SPEAKER_00 (25:53):
I mean, like why, like what, like how broken are
you that you have to want tosleep with a thousand men in a
day?
SPEAKER_01 (25:59):
So bad fathers make broken daughters.
SPEAKER_00 (26:01):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (26:01):
That's,
SPEAKER_00 (26:02):
that's all it is.
It has to be the mother in thereand cousins too.
Like a lot of, that's a lot of,that's a lot of, either you're
like a raging narcissist whereyou need unlimited supplies of
attention, like something'sgoing on.
I mean, and then there's like,there's a movement with these
women that want unlimitedpartners.
I don't get it.
SPEAKER_01 (26:22):
Because they see online other women who have
unlimited partners and they seeit as beneficial.
The problem is young women areexceptionally impressionable.
Because historically speaking,it used to be you find a girl,
you get married, you settledown, and you have a family.
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The average age for gettingmarried back in the 70s, I
think, was 27.
or 25 for men, 22 or 21 forwomen.
Like it was pretty young.
The average age today is over 30for men and just under 30 for
women.
And so we have this extra gapand people are calling it
finding yourself, but all you'redoing is setting yourself up for
failure.
When these men would getmarried, back in the 70s and
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these women would get married,what they would do is they would
build a life together.
And so the women would learn howto be women and the men would
learn how to be men and theywould start this life and they
would build it together.
Now, you have people learningapart from each other, building
two separate things and thentrying to mash it together and
that just breaks both pieces.
SPEAKER_00 (27:21):
I read that A large percentage of women now are not
interested in marriage.
SPEAKER_01 (27:27):
I don't know if it's necessarily not interested, but
they can't get married, and sothey say they're not interested.
We're going to see somethinglike 45% of women by the year
2030 that are going to be singleinto their 30s.
And that's terrible.
I feel bad for those kinds ofpeople because they have this
idea of, well, I don't need anyman and I'm a girl boss and I
can do whatever I want.
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But they end up lonely.
They end up lonely andmiserable.
And the same goes for guys.
We're supposed to need eachother.
SPEAKER_00 (27:54):
But you know what?
I'm going to play devil'sadvocate for a minute.
SPEAKER_01 (27:56):
Please.
SPEAKER_00 (27:57):
I think it's a result of men that women have
been hyperly masculated andtaking on more masculine roles.
I think it's not justsubmissiveness and all this
stuff because men pre-socialmedia, pre-dating websites and
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apps, you had to go and have alittle bit of a game about you
to approach a woman and ask forher number and ask her out on a
date.
Now it's like swipe.
sends like a fire emoji and thegirl's supposed to write back
it's like i think i'm i thinkthat men are i think we're
having this weirdness in ourrelationships because men have
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become more feminine and it inturn makes women have to step up
and do a lot more of the men'sjobs and in a way it's like okay
then what do i need you for Soit's kind of like this vicious
circle.
SPEAKER_01 (29:01):
No, you're not playing devil's advocate.
I wholeheartedly agree.
Can I tell you why that is?
SPEAKER_00 (29:05):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (29:08):
Men grew up because they needed to.
They grew up because they had tobecome men to take care of their
families because they had a wifeand potentially children who
would depend on them.
After the 20th century turned,When we get into the 1900s, you
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start seeing this shift indynamics where women are slowly,
you have the waves of feminismthat go, we can do everything
men can do.
And as the 1900s progress, youhave this, well, we don't need
men, we don't need men.
So men slowly stopped growing upbecause the demand to be a man
wasn't there anymore.
And so it is on the men.
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Because at the time of The 19thAmendment passing in the states,
only 4% of women wanted itbecause the way that the voting
system worked was the householdwould vote as one conglomerate,
one unit.
And so the husband wasresponsible for his entire
family and would vote for thefamily as one unit, and the
government went, well, okay,we're missing half of the
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population, we can't tax them,what are we gonna do?
Well, we'll tell them they needto be independent, they need to
do their own thing, and thenwe'll get the kids, because
we'll get the kids in school,and we can indoctrinate them how
we want, and we'll split them,we'll cause this division, we'll
have couples fighting with eachother, whereas it used to be one
unit, and the burden ofresponsibility was still placed
on the man, but everyone's voicewas heard, respected, and loved,
and cherished, because if I justhave a group of yes men around
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me, that's miserable, I don'twant that, I want to be
challenged, I want people tospeak up, because there are
things things that I can saythat I don't see the full
picture of, but that if I'mmarried, my wife will see a full
picture of, or at least adifferent angle and can give me
a great perspective on it.
It's supposed to be that unison.
But when we started losing thatunison through the divide, men
stopped growing up because theydidn't need to anymore.
Like you said, they could swipeon dating apps and send a fire
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emoji now.
And women took theresponsibility of growing up and
becoming the men because theythere were no men.
And so they said, fine, we'lljust do it ourselves.
And so unfortunately, like yousaid, it is a cycle.
The men are seeing the women whoare masculine.
They're like, oh, I don't wantto do that.
And the women are seeing the menwho are in Neverland, the Peter
Pan lost boys, you know, they'rerefusing to grow up and they're
going, what are these punylittle weak men?
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And we're going back and forthand back and forth and there's
no growth.
It's only going to stop,unfortunately, when the men
decide to grow up.
That is the only outcome for itbecause We can't sit here and
go, well, then women, you needto learn to be submissive and
quiet and loving and nurturingand all that stuff.
And then they do, but thenthere's a vacuum because there's
no masculinity.
There's going to need to besomething to fill that vacuum
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before it's even created.
And so the men are going to haveto grow up if they want the
wives that they're claiming toactually want.
If they want a biblical, if theywant a Christian, if they want a
loving...
tender wife?
SPEAKER_00 (31:49):
Maybe I'm sinning.
I don't think I'm thatsubmissive.
SPEAKER_01 (31:53):
It's not a matter of just being yes or no or yes,
yes, yes all the time,obviously.
It's a matter of respectingopinions.
That's
SPEAKER_00 (31:59):
pretty much it.
No, of course I respect myhusband's opinion most of the
time.
SPEAKER_01 (32:04):
Yeah, well, the thing is you married him.
He's the head of the householdin the same way that my mom and
dad will have disagreements.
She still respects his decisionat the end of the day.
She'll voice her opinion andhe'll listen.
And if he sees a reason tochange his opinion, he will.
And if he doesn't, he He won'tand whether or not it ends well
or not is on him entirelybecause he made that decision.
So he has to take everythinginto account.
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I have a friend of mine who's apastor who told me, he said he
had a dream where if he investedwith this guy, the company that
he would invest in would makehundreds of millions of dollars.
And God was saying, if you dothat, this is the outcome.
So he's going, I'm going toinvest.
His wife said, no, the guy'sgoing to take the money from
you.
He goes, God just told me it'sgoing to make money.
The wife said, okay.
She voiced her opinion.
What happened?
The company made money and thenthe guy took it.
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So the wife had the extraopinion there, but she still
respected her husband saying,I'm going to do this.
She still voiced her opinion.
He still heard it.
His disregard was at his owndemise to his own detriment, but
the dynamic was not affected ina negative way because they
still love each other.
It was just essentially provingthat God uses both parties in
the relationship to communicate.
SPEAKER_00 (33:07):
I also think that the masculinization of women,
which I'm not totally against, Ithink is a function of financial
issues because you can no longerhave one person bringing in
income and expect to buy a home.
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It's just impossible.
No, it
SPEAKER_01 (33:30):
is, and it's terrible.
SPEAKER_00 (33:31):
Without two people working full time,
SPEAKER_01 (33:35):
Yeah, I lamented it in literally the first chapter.
I called it The America YourParents Knew Is Dead.
And so in 1959, According to theTreasury, a college graduate
would earn a salary of justabout$10,000 a year, which was
equivalent today to$120,000.
SPEAKER_00 (33:49):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (33:51):
Today, a college graduate is making$80,000 a
year.
That's a third of the price ortwo thirds.
And how do you buy a house?
You can't.
Homeschool your children likeyou want to.
Inflation has, there's no way todo it.
I 100% agree.
And so it's not black and white,like, well, the people need to
do this and then this and thenthis.
It almost is.
We could start with men growingup, men taking responsibility
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men deciding you know what it'smay not get married but let me
just let me just do this becauseI don't need it you know anyone
else kind of thing andeventually things will follow
but we have to take that firststep
SPEAKER_00 (34:23):
Brayden tell me where we can find your book and
the title and if it's availablein audio or
SPEAKER_01 (34:31):
I'm working on an audio book right now okay I'll
be reading it in my voice mysoothing tranquil um it's
available on sorbostudios.comPeople want to go there.
We have the shop where they canget a signed copy.
And if they don't want to dothat and they would rather
support Amazon, it is there,although I don't know why they
would choose that.
SPEAKER_00 (34:47):
What's the name of the book?
SPEAKER_01 (34:48):
The book is called Embrace Masculinity.
SPEAKER_00 (34:50):
Okay, great.
Thank you, Brayden, for comingto speak to us today.
Do you have a social mediahandle?
SPEAKER_01 (34:56):
I do.
It's just Brayden Sorbo.
Just all platforms anywhere andeverywhere.
IG, Facebook, Twitter.
IG, Facebook, Instagram, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (35:02):
All right, great.
Thank you.
With my Catholic and political stances, I fear that
Hollywood doesn't necessarilywant to work with me nearly as
much anymore because of who I amand what it means to be
Christian, to be Catholic, andto be conservative.
SPEAKER_00 (00:11):
Do you really feel like you've gotten backlash for
being a conservative?
SPEAKER_01 (00:15):
I have death threats.
I have all these things.
On top of me posting just somecomments such as, you know, egg
prices going down or bordercrossings down 93%, I'll be
getting comments like, this isthe brainwashed cult.
I mean, that's what most of mycomment section is.
Catholics in particular, evenamong Christian groups, are the
most attacked group ofChristians.
I mean, I've been raisedevangelical, non-denominational
my whole life, and the day thatI announced that I was looking
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into Catholicism, I receivedmultiple texts from Protestant
friends of mine saying, don't godown this path, you're following
the devil, like, you're gonna goto hell.
SPEAKER_00 (00:47):
We're here today in Palm Beach with Braden Sorbo,
Beyond Saint, and we are goingto talk about his career, his
journey into the Catholic faith.
You've done a lot in your short23 years.
You're an actor, author.
Tell me a little bit aboutgrowing up, Sorbo.
SPEAKER_01 (01:11):
You know, it's funny because Whenever I go anywhere
with my parents and they findout who my parents are, they
always ask me, well, what was itlike growing up with famous
parents?
And to me, it was normal becauseI have no other point of
reference.
I don't have something else togauge it on.
And so I grew up in ThousandOaks, California, a small town
about 40 miles north of LAitself.
And I was homeschooled fromsecond grade all the way through
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graduation.
We traveled a lot because my dadwas an actor.
And so my mom had a rule.
Anytime there was a movie beingfilmed that he was part of, if
he were going to be gone for twoor more weeks, he would bring us
along for at least a couple ofweeks.
couple days during that trip,kind of so that we could see our
dad, you know, spend some timewith him, time with family,
because it's always important.
And so my mom decided it wouldbe the best case scenario to
homeschool us.
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And so I grew up on sets inHollywood.
I grew up behind the scenes,friends with all the crafts and
caterers and the PAs and, youknow, the director, just
watching from afar as my dad wasin front of the lights and the
cameras having a blast doingwhat he loves to do.
And when I was about 11 yearsold, I told my dad, I was like,
you know, dad, I think I want tobe an actor like you.
And his first reaction was,please, God, no, don't do it.
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Because he knows how terribleHollywood is.
And so he tried to persuade meaway from it, but I obviously
didn't budge.
And so he signed me up foracting classes.
I went to Antonio Sabato Jr.''sacting class out in Westlake
Village, just a town next overfrom me.
And I took classes there forabout three years.
And on my 14th kind ofbirthday-ish, I booked a movie,
my first movie.
It was a audition for, becausein their words, it's not our
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money, we're not funding it, youhave to earn it, which I
appreciated because it gave me asense of accomplishment, not
that I was just given somethingfor the sake of being given it,
but that I'd actually workedhard and deserved it.
And so I turned 15 while we werefilming that, and ever since
then, I've roughly done aboutone movie a year, and my latest
film is called I Feel Fine, it'snow on Amazon and Paramount,
it's a heavy movie, deals withsuicide and OCD and depression
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and stuff like that, so it's apretty dark film, but we were
just up for a film festival inParis, I can't remember the name
of.
So it's been a blast doing that,although with my Catholic and
political stances, I fear thatHollywood doesn't necessarily
want to work with me nearly asmuch anymore because I've
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started with this online, notpersona, but just more being
outspoken in who I am and whatit means to be Christian, to be
Catholic, and to beconservative.
SPEAKER_00 (03:28):
Do you really feel like you've gotten backlash for
being a conservative?
SPEAKER_01 (03:33):
Oh, yeah.
I can show you my comments onInstagram.
I have death threats.
I have, you know, everything.
I made a joke because they castthe chick from the Wicked movie,
the girl who plays the witch,the black, bald, queer actress.
They cast her to play JesusChrist Superstar in the play
Jesus Christ Superstar.
And so I said, when are theygoing to cast a queer, black,
bald woman to play Muhammad?
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And I got people giving me deaththreats saying, how dare you
insult our prophet?
Do you want to die?
It's like Allah will smite youand all these things.
On top of me posting just somecomments such as, you know, egg
prices going down or bordercrossings down 93%, I'll be
getting comments like, this isthe brainwashed cult.
I mean, that's what most of mycomment section is.
It's a little bit funny at thispoint because I've made videos
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responding with cited evidencefrom leftist news sources that
back up what I'm saying, butpeople refuse to listen to the
truth even if it's dangled infront of their eyes.
SPEAKER_00 (04:25):
It's weird because we are the only religious that I
feel like can get attacked withno repercussion.
Because like you said, ifsomebody was to attack the
Prophet Muhammad, it wouldactually be death.
I think there was a bounty onhis head.
Was it Salman Rushdie?
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I think so, the
SPEAKER_01 (04:48):
artist?
SPEAKER_00 (04:48):
No, he was an author that spoke against the Muslim
religion.
there were like people werelooking for him to kill him
SPEAKER_01 (04:57):
yeah well we had a lady about a year or two after
god's not dead came out we had alady come up to us in the
airport we were in salt lakecity and this woman uh islamic
woman came up with her child andshe told my parents she said i
watched your movie god's notdead and i left islam and i had
to flee with my kid because myhusband tried to kill us both
SPEAKER_00 (05:15):
So
SPEAKER_01 (05:16):
we have real experiences from people who are
actually living this.
It's not just some sort of fake,you know, some people think it's
online.
It's going, oh, well, it's, youknow, it's not that bad in real
life.
It's actually worse in reallife.
And there's a reason whyCatholics in particular, even
among Christian groups, are themost attacked group of
Christians.
I mean, I've been raisedevangelical non-denominational
my whole life.
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And the day that I announcedthat I was looking into
Catholicism, I received multipletexts from Protestant friends of
mine saying, don't go down thispath.
you're following the devil,you're going to go to hell, idol
worshiper, all of these things.
Whereas my entire life as anon-denominational Christian,
not a single Catholic persontold me that I was condemned to
hell.
Not a single Catholic friend ofmine said, you're going down the
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wrong path, you need to becomecloser to Jesus, you need to do
all this stuff.
SPEAKER_00 (06:02):
What made you, because I spoke to your mother
about this, and we were atlunch, and I was obviously, I'm
a devout Catholic, and she toldme your father belongs to a
church called...
SPEAKER_01 (06:15):
He was raised Lutheran.
SPEAKER_00 (06:17):
Lutheran, but there's another church he
belongs to.
It starts with a C.
I can't remember
SPEAKER_01 (06:21):
the name.
Oh, Calvary Chapel.
SPEAKER_00 (06:22):
Calvary Chapel.
They were in the Calvary Chapel,and they're evangelical.
And she said, but my son isconverting.
And then I was like...
would you ever consider it?
I'm like, it's pretty amazing.
She goes, yes.
SPEAKER_01 (06:35):
I've been working on it.
I'm working on it.
SPEAKER_00 (06:37):
But what made you decide to convert from
evangelical to Catholicism?
I
SPEAKER_01 (06:46):
have always been Not a confrontational, but a person
who loves apologetics anddebate.
I never excelled in math andchemistry and the sciences and
stuff like that.
The numbers, once they startedadding letters to the numbers, I
got lost and I just sort of gaveup.
But I was great with thewriting, the history, the
debating.
Those were my strong suits.
I loved them.
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Even at 14 years old during the2016 election, I remember
debating people.
There was one time I was on anairplane where I debated a
history professor fromPepperdine who didn't know who
Saul Alinsky was, which is theman who wrote the play Olia
dedicated to Lucifer himselfthat Hillary Clinton did her
senior thesis on in college, andhe was supporting Hillary
Clinton during this election,and I, as a 14-year-old, am
telling him this, and he'sgoing, oh, you know.
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I have one of my best friends isa Seventh-day Adventist.
And I remember just out of theblue, he brings up how the
Catholic Church is theAntichrist and they're the whore
of Babylon from the Book ofRevelation.
He's giving me, well, it saysthat you'll be clothed in
scarlet and they wear purple.
And I was like, okay, you know,I've always known Catholics are
kind of like, you know, weird.
They pray to saints and theydrink wine and they have all
that.
But I never looked into it.
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And when he made these crazyunsubstantiated claims, it kind
of forced my hand.
It made me go, all right, I needto actually check this out.
And so I started looking intoit.
And I started with apostolicsuccession, with St.
Peter being given the keys tothe kingdom.
And then I went down the path ofMary's perpetual virginity and
life of sinlessness.
And I eventually got to theEucharist and the Eucharist
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actually transforming into thebody and blood of Christ.
And once I had that, once I hadstarted going down that path, it
was too late.
I was like, all right, well nowI have to be committed because
this is very clearly the onechurch that Christ founded.
This isn't a church founded byman.
This isn't a church that'sdecided what they want for their
own benefit.
This is a church of martyrs whohave all been killed for the
faith when they were foundingit.
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I actually just this morningcame to the conclusion that if
we truly believe in faith alone,then the martyrs died for
nothing.
Because if all you need is faithand you don't need any sort of
work or any sort of proof ofthat faith to live your life a
certain way, then you can dowhatever you want.
And as long as you say, well,God's my best friend, then
you're guaranteed heaven.
And if I were the devil, that'sexactly what I would tell
people.
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Because that is the best way tokeep people away from heaven.
The devil knows Christ betterthan anyone.
He knows scripture.
He quoted it during Jesus's 40days in the wilderness.
But he misquoted it on purpose.
And that's what happens topeople today.
I mean, we look at Everythinggoing on.
My mom and sister went to adifferent church.
I still go to Mass, obviously.
But my mom and sister went toanother church this past Sunday.
And the sermon essentially was,once saved, always saved.
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There's no way for you to fallaway as long as Jesus is your
friend.
And that's a cop-out.
That's me going, well, you know,I'm saved, but I still have
premarital sex.
I'm saved, but, you know, Ismoke, I drink, I eat in excess.
I do all these things, but I'mstill saved.
It's like, well, you're stillgoing to be judged, just like in
1 Corinthians says, by yourworks.
A man's works, Paul writes, willbe tested by fire, whether
they're built with hay, straw,or wood, or iron, diamonds, or
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stone.
The fire will consume, otherwiseknown as purgatory, and cleanse,
and those works will be testedagainst him, and he'll be led
into heaven.
SPEAKER_00 (09:44):
What did you give up for Lent?
SPEAKER_01 (09:45):
Me, I gave up a lot of social media.
I still use it for postingbecause that's what I do for a
living, but I would find myselfoften getting distracted where I
would just scroll for 30minutes, 20 minutes,
SPEAKER_00 (09:56):
and I would go do something else.
It's so satisfying.
SPEAKER_01 (09:58):
I know, and I would go right back.
So satisfying.
And so I put a time limit on myYouTube to stop me from doing
that.
SPEAKER_00 (10:03):
That's good, that's good.
I gave up alcohol and soda, andI'm telling you, It's not been
easy.
SPEAKER_01 (10:10):
I could give up soda, but I don't drink soda, so
I feel like that'd be cheating.
SPEAKER_00 (10:13):
Yeah, I know.
You have to give up somethingyou love.
So for me, it was a glass ofwine.
For me, it was a Coke once aday.
I was like, oh, I can't handlethis.
But I'm trucking through it.
How was it being homeschooled?
SPEAKER_01 (10:27):
It was great.
I loved it.
You did?
I was the popular kid back inpublic school, first and second
grade.
I was always on the basketballcourt.
My parents said that I waspreparing to be a bully because
I was one of the popular kids.
But when I became homeschooled,I sort of lost all my
competitive drive because as anextrovert, I love being around
people and I love competing withother people.
And so when I becamehomeschooled, I started eating
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popcorn every night with candy,watching a movie, you know, not
working out, not taking care ofmyself.
And I became a chubby kid.
And so by like 14, 15, I startedgrowing.
So I started stretching out alittle bit, thinning out that
way.
But by 16 is when I kind ofhopped in the gym and that
definitely changed my life.
But the homeschooling aspect ofit was great because I could
wake up at, you know, 5 a.m.,get all my work done before 8,
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and then I had the whole dayfree, and that was really fun.
SPEAKER_00 (11:13):
That's really cool, actually.
But I feel like it would be alittle isolating.
SPEAKER_01 (11:18):
It really depends on how people go about it.
There's plenty of homeschoolcurriculums and programs and
co-ops that people are now doingthat have that social aspect.
I mean, like I said, I couldn'tdebate myself.
My favorite subject was debate.
I had to be part of something.
And so we joined a co-op calledClassical Conversations, which
is Lee Bortons.
Robert Bortons is the CEO now.
He's the son.
And it is a classicalcurriculum, Latin math, science,
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chemistry, history, theology,debate, writing, all the
different curricular activitiesthat you would need.
And you meet once a week at abuilding typically it's a church
that lends their facilities forthe day kind of thing and
everyone goes over the work forthe week they go over what they
went what last week what they'regoing through the next week and
then you disperse and then youhave the whole week to do the
work that you talked about andyou meet right back up so once a
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week you're getting that socialengagement and more if you want
to
SPEAKER_00 (12:04):
so it was a good experience for you
SPEAKER_01 (12:06):
without a doubt I'll be doing it with my kids
SPEAKER_00 (12:08):
oh oh your mom's a big proponent of homeschooling
how did growing up in Hollywoodthe Hollywood environment affect
your perspective on faith andpolitics, really?
SPEAKER_01 (12:21):
It was definitely interesting because when I'm
eight years old, I don't reallyhave an idea of any of that.
I don't necessarily understandhow any of it works.
And so by the time I was oldenough to really get a grasp on
it, my dad had fully oustedhimself as a conservative and
had begun working moreindependently than in Hollywood.
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And so I never really got to seefirsthand how the Hollywood
scene was.
If it was anything like any ofthe independent movies that we
were part of, the majority ofthe cast and crew were on the
same side.
They were just less vocal.
SPEAKER_00 (12:54):
Who's your favorite saint?
SPEAKER_01 (12:56):
So I love St.
Michael the Archangel justbecause I love the aspect of
stabbing Satan through the head.
I have a poster of it in my backroom of my podcast studio that I
built.
But my personal patron saintthat I've chosen is St.
Justin Martyr, who was one ofthe first apologists for the
church, wrote numerous letters.
His first apology is actually...
A highly recommended read.
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The paragraphs 60 through 65cover the Eucharist in great
detail.
And it not only proves thevalidity of the Eucharist, but
the fact that it's been aroundsince the first apostles.
Because this is something thatwas written, you know, a couple,
it was like 120 AD, I believe,maybe 200 AD.
And so St.
Justin Martyr was killed forthis.
He was executed.
And so his symbols are an axefor his execution and a quill
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because of what he wrote.
And I, as wanting to be anapologist, figured he would be
the perfect guy.
SPEAKER_00 (13:45):
You're 23 years old and I think Carlo Acutis is
being canonized on the 27th ofApril.
Can you relate to him beinglike, you guys are somewhat
similar ages?
Is
SPEAKER_01 (14:01):
that the kid from South America, the 15 or 16 year
old?
I
SPEAKER_00 (14:05):
think they lived in Italy.
but I think...
He's the
SPEAKER_01 (14:08):
newest saint, right?
The newest saint, yeah, yeah,yeah.
The younger kid, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (14:11):
Do you know anything about him?
He talks a lot about, he talkeda lot about Eucharistic miracles
and...
SPEAKER_01 (14:15):
Yes, so he was also big on social media and that
component, that was
SPEAKER_00 (14:19):
what...
He's the patron saint of social,yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (14:21):
Yes, so I love that.
I didn't pick him as my patronsaint and it could have been
just because I felt weirdpicking someone who lived at the
same time as I did, but I'm notentirely sure why I didn't.
I mean, I love Justin Martyr'sapologia in general and I think
it still applies to socialmedia, which is where I plan on
using it.
I didn't pick Carlos just forthat reason, I suppose.
SPEAKER_00 (14:42):
What's your favorite prayer?
SPEAKER_01 (14:44):
Hmm.
Oh, favorite prayer is tough.
My favorite prayer is JesusChrist, Son of God, have mercy
on me, a sinner.
That is the prayer that puts youin the proper headspace to enter
into that kind of relationshipwith God, is to enter into the
throne room, to kneel at thefoot of the chair and to be
there present.
It is something that you can sitand repeat in your head or
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repeat out loud for as manytimes as you need.
And it's not a vain, repetitiousprayer unless you make it mean
nothing.
But it's supposed to put you inthat space of Jesus Christ, Son
of God, have mercy on me, asinner.
It puts you exactly where youneed to be.
SPEAKER_00 (15:22):
Gets you straight.
You wrote two books, and one ofthem is on masculinity.
SPEAKER_01 (15:28):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (15:29):
There's so much banter around the word
masculinity.
Talk to me a little bit abouthow you define masculinity and
what that means to you.
SPEAKER_01 (15:38):
Well, masculinity is obviously exemplified through
Jesus more than anyone elsepossibly could, but from a human
perspective, from a solely humanperspective, something that's
achievable, masculinity isresponsibility.
Masculinity is taking charge andcaring for those that you
otherwise don't necessarily haveto care for.
I mean, my dad didn't have tomarry my mom and take care of
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her, but he did.
He didn't have to have kids andtake care of us, but he does.
So masculinity is this tenet ofbeing able to take care of
others and then choosing to dothat.
Now, I will say, not everyone isworth taking care of.
I mean, you have plenty ofpeople who are going out and
saying things like, well, whereare all the good men?
And a lot of people have pushedthem away simply because they
don't understand whatmasculinity is.
I mean, what we've What we'vedone is society's taken true
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masculinity, the essence of it,which are comfort,
responsibility, protection,provision, and they've replaced
it so that we think masculinitynow is dominance, overbearing,
destructive, controlling.
We have all of these negativeconnotations around masculinity,
and so we push away any man thatcould resemble a protector,
provider, because he is a bigguy who wants to take care.
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And part of that wanting to takecare means taking
responsibility.
And if I'm dating someone, I'mtaking responsibility for them.
to be cautious of how they areacting because how they are
acting and what they are doingdoes reflect on me as the guy
who is supposed to be leadingthe relationship.
And so it's this give and takewhere we don't understand what
masculinity is because we'vealso forgotten what femininity
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is.
All the waves of feminism havegone from every single stage
until now.
It's basically at this point menare women.
It used to be we want to beequal to men and now it's men
are women.
We've lost the
SPEAKER_00 (17:16):
thread.
I can't even go down that rabbithole because I am...
old, probably your mother's age,and I can't even wrap my head
around that stuff.
I respect you however you chooseto live your life.
I respect that.
I think they should have thesame rights.
I don't believe indiscrimination for anything.
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But the minute we're debatingwhat a man and a woman is,
that's where I just get checkedout.
SPEAKER_01 (17:43):
Real man is someone who is not afraid to go against
the status quo.
That is the truth inmasculinity.
A man who is not able to defendhimself physically, should the
need arise, is not someone who'swilling to speak up and stand
out because he's not able todefend himself.
SPEAKER_00 (18:02):
You mean just vocally, not physically?
SPEAKER_01 (18:05):
No, I mean both.
I mean, if you do not pose athreat...
SPEAKER_00 (18:09):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (18:10):
in any way, shape or form, you are immediately a
target.
There was a famous childpredator guy had abducted plenty
of kids and they asked him, whatdo you look for?
He goes, I look for a weakfather or no father at all.
SPEAKER_00 (18:21):
I read that too.
That's so sad.
As a
SPEAKER_01 (18:24):
man, you need to be, if you are not capable of
violence, then you are not tame,you're just weak.
That's basically the entireaspect.
SPEAKER_00 (18:33):
Got it.
Got it.
Do you have a girlfriend?
SPEAKER_01 (18:38):
I don't.
Not currently.
SPEAKER_00 (18:40):
Why do you think you don't have a girlfriend?
I mean, you're super young.
That's one part.
SPEAKER_01 (18:43):
I've dated people before, but I don't see a point
in dating unless it's to marry.
And if I don't see myselfmarrying that person, or if I
did and I no longer do, then Idon't see the relationship going
any further and I end it.
I'm very logical with that.
I love the idea of beingcomfortable with somebody, but
if I don't see a future with it,I'm not going to waste their
time or waste mine.
And that's...
what I've been doing my entirelife.
SPEAKER_00 (19:04):
You're very much an exception.
I mean, you really arepracticing, I guess, I don't
want to be presumptuous, butabstinence and I guess you're
celibate?
SPEAKER_01 (19:20):
I am, yes.
SPEAKER_00 (19:21):
And I don't want to assume, but it just feels like
from how you're speaking thatyou're really trying to
follow...
the steps of Christ.
SPEAKER_01 (19:28):
Yeah, I didn't always, unfortunately, because
of how I was raised, the wholeidea of evangelical, like when
you have faith, you're all good.
I took that literally and said,oh, as long as I apologize to
Jesus after I do X, Y, or Z,everything's okay.
And obviously that's not thecase.
But I mean, I could tell you mytestimony if you would like, if
we have time.
SPEAKER_00 (19:48):
Would love to hear your testimony.
SPEAKER_01 (19:50):
All right.
So at eight years old, Idiscovered pornography.
through a virus on my computer.
I was just watching YouTubevideos and I clicked a link in
someone's description and thereit was.
And at eight years old, thatreally absorbs.
Now the average age for a boydiscovering porn in the United
States today is 10 to 11.
Back when I discovered it, eightwas 15 years ago now.
I gotta think the age might havebeen a little bit higher, 14,
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15.
But through my entire formativeyears, that was what I was
addicted to.
I'd seen every single thingimaginable and I went through
that addiction for about 12years and at 20 years old and I
would always you know go oh Godforgive me I feel so bad and
then then I would do that everynight when I watched and then it
became every week or maybe oncea month I would apologize and
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then it became once a year on mybirthdays I would have this big
emotional oh I'm gonna stop thisyear God just forgive me and
I'll be better and obviously youcan't do that that's not how
addiction works people peopledon't seem to realize that the
devil's favorite word is neverbecause he takes it as a
challenge so if I say oh neverdo this again, the devil goes,
really, you want to bet?
And then you end up doing itagain.
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The only way people can doanything is if they allow God to
do that.
And so at 20 years old, I said,okay, God, I'm done with this.
I can't do it anymore becauseall it does is hurt my
relationship with you.
I need you to take it away fromme.
And just over three years ago, Iquit a 12-year addiction cold
turkey.
And I say I quit, but obviouslyGod did for me.
And so it's been just over threeyears for me now, but that
12-year crippling addiction thatdestroyed my psyche ever since I
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was a child has been gone.
SPEAKER_00 (21:20):
That's insane to get addicted to porn at eight years
old.
SPEAKER_01 (21:23):
Yeah, I wrote a little bit about it.
in my book, Embrace Masculinity,it's a chapter called The Sex
Talk.
And I discuss pornography.
I discuss the crippling effectsand how it destroys not only
your body and your mind, but italso destroys your soul, it
corrodes your soul.
Every single chapter has a quoteon it.
And I quoted Phil Voilette fromBlack Violet, I think, and he
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says, I've looked at so muchporn, every single woman looks
vaguely familiar.
UNKNOWN (21:50):
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (21:51):
It's insane.
I read that people who have pornaddictions, when you put their
brains under an MRI, the brainlights up differently than a
healthy male brain.
SPEAKER_01 (22:00):
Yes, it does.
And the problem is we'vesubsidized porn and capitalized
on it.
What
SPEAKER_00 (22:06):
do you mean subsidized?
SPEAKER_01 (22:07):
We've made it accessible for everyone.
Softcore to hardcore.
Hollywood promotes it in movies.
Music promotes it with whatthey're speaking, with what
they're singing.
And we have a generation ofyoung men who are paying for
OnlyFans because...
they think it's good.
We have a generation of younggirls who are selling their
bodies on OnlyFans because theythink it's empowering.
All of this is pornography.
Whether or not it's clothes on,clothes off, you know,
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silhouettes, all of it's thesame because it leads to the
same goal.
It leads to destruction anddevaluation and there's a reason
for that.
The people who founded the pornindustry hate Christ.
Alvin Goldstein, who was knownas the father of hardcore
pornography, did an interviewwith Ford Magazine and he's
quoted as saying, we're inpornography Because we hate
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Christ, and we hate Hischildren, and we want to rip
them apart, essentially.
SPEAKER_00 (22:54):
Any professional or personal milestones that you
want to talk about that you'dlike to achieve?
SPEAKER_01 (23:00):
That I would like to, that I haven't achieved yet?
Yes.
Get married and have kids.
It comes with time, but getmarried and have kids.
What
SPEAKER_00 (23:07):
does your perfect wife look like?
Physically and spiritually.
That's
SPEAKER_01 (23:12):
tough.
Tall, athletic.
I'm an athletic person.
I like someone who is able tokeep up with me in that same
sense, someone who takes care oftheir body.
Because if you can be dedicatedto taking care of yourself, then
you can be dedicated to takingcare of a relationship.
So tall and athletic.
And then spiritually, Catholic.
Don't want to be unequallyyoked.
I want someone who is...
It
SPEAKER_00 (23:33):
would be tough, I think.
SPEAKER_01 (23:34):
It would be very, very hard.
I would have to be either not agood Christian or...
Or she would have to be betterthan me, basically, for it to
work in that sense.
And so someone who's Catholic,athletic, takes care of
themselves.
Tall is great because of theheight for the babies, having
strong NBA, Division I children.
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Yes, I want a lot of kids.
Non-negotiables arehomeschooling, needs to
homeschool.
SPEAKER_00 (24:00):
Wow.
Because
SPEAKER_01 (24:01):
this isn't just a me thing.
I'm not going to be sittingthere homeschooling the kids by
myself.
The father being the spiritualleader in the house is the most
important thing to a child'sdevelopment, but the mother also
needs to be there.
And if I'm supposed to beworking, then what are you going
to be doing with your spare timeif not helping take care of the
kids with me?
So homeschooling, taking care ofa household, someone who knows
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how to be tender, nurturing,loving, submissive.
I mean, I always say, there's somany guys who go, I just want a
submissive wife who's gonna dowhat I tell them.
And I go, great, so what are youdoing to be worthy of that
submission?
What steps are you taking wherea woman is gonna look at you and
be like, that's someone that Iwould follow.
That's someone that I wouldtrust to lead me.
You're not.
You're not worth submitting to.
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You are not a man.
That's all it is.
Now granted, In 2025, it isextraordinarily difficult to
find a woman who is worth beinga man for kind of thing, right?
Unfortunately, so many younggirls have been usurped by this
power that tells them, like,OnlyFans is good and to go,
spring break is coming up.
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I was down on Miami or FortLauderdale Beach last year with
a friend of mine interviewinggirls and a couple of the people
that we talked to, one girlstood out, she said, my goal is
to sleep with five people.
And we said, really?
And she said, yes, today.
And we said, what?
And so her goal was to have sexwith five different strangers
every single day down in FortLauderdale for a week straight.
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And she was serious.
She was a little bitintoxicated, so She was speaking
her mind, but she wasn't joking.
She wasn't laughing it off like,ha,
SPEAKER_00 (25:29):
ha, ha.
There's like this weirdmovement.
I play on social media a lot.
And this girl, Bonnie Blue.
SPEAKER_01 (25:39):
Yes, Bonnie Blue and Lily Phillips.
SPEAKER_00 (25:41):
Yeah.
Both of them.
So their whole goal in life isto, I think Bonnie Blue slept
with a thousand men.
SPEAKER_01 (25:48):
Yes.
And got pregnant and a coupleSTDs and things like that.
Yeah, that's.
SPEAKER_00 (25:53):
I mean, like why, like what, like how broken are
you that you have to want tosleep with a thousand men in a
day?
SPEAKER_01 (25:59):
So bad fathers make broken daughters.
SPEAKER_00 (26:01):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (26:01):
That's,
SPEAKER_00 (26:02):
that's all it is.
It has to be the mother in thereand cousins too.
Like a lot of, that's a lot of,that's a lot of, either you're
like a raging narcissist whereyou need unlimited supplies of
attention, like something'sgoing on.
I mean, and then there's like,there's a movement with these
women that want unlimitedpartners.
I don't get it.
SPEAKER_01 (26:22):
Because they see online other women who have
unlimited partners and they seeit as beneficial.
The problem is young women areexceptionally impressionable.
Because historically speaking,it used to be you find a girl,
you get married, you settledown, and you have a family.
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The average age for gettingmarried back in the 70s, I
think, was 27.
or 25 for men, 22 or 21 forwomen.
Like it was pretty young.
The average age today is over 30for men and just under 30 for
women.
And so we have this extra gapand people are calling it
finding yourself, but all you'redoing is setting yourself up for
failure.
When these men would getmarried, back in the 70s and
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these women would get married,what they would do is they would
build a life together.
And so the women would learn howto be women and the men would
learn how to be men and theywould start this life and they
would build it together.
Now, you have people learningapart from each other, building
two separate things and thentrying to mash it together and
that just breaks both pieces.
SPEAKER_00 (27:21):
I read that A large percentage of women now are not
interested in marriage.
SPEAKER_01 (27:27):
I don't know if it's necessarily not interested, but
they can't get married, and sothey say they're not interested.
We're going to see somethinglike 45% of women by the year
2030 that are going to be singleinto their 30s.
And that's terrible.
I feel bad for those kinds ofpeople because they have this
idea of, well, I don't need anyman and I'm a girl boss and I
can do whatever I want.
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But they end up lonely.
They end up lonely andmiserable.
And the same goes for guys.
We're supposed to need eachother.
SPEAKER_00 (27:54):
But you know what?
I'm going to play devil'sadvocate for a minute.
SPEAKER_01 (27:56):
Please.
SPEAKER_00 (27:57):
I think it's a result of men that women have
been hyperly masculated andtaking on more masculine roles.
I think it's not justsubmissiveness and all this
stuff because men pre-socialmedia, pre-dating websites and
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apps, you had to go and have alittle bit of a game about you
to approach a woman and ask forher number and ask her out on a
date.
Now it's like swipe.
sends like a fire emoji and thegirl's supposed to write back
it's like i think i'm i thinkthat men are i think we're
having this weirdness in ourrelationships because men have
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become more feminine and it inturn makes women have to step up
and do a lot more of the men'sjobs and in a way it's like okay
then what do i need you for Soit's kind of like this vicious
circle.
SPEAKER_01 (29:01):
No, you're not playing devil's advocate.
I wholeheartedly agree.
Can I tell you why that is?
SPEAKER_00 (29:05):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (29:08):
Men grew up because they needed to.
They grew up because they had tobecome men to take care of their
families because they had a wifeand potentially children who
would depend on them.
After the 20th century turned,When we get into the 1900s, you
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start seeing this shift indynamics where women are slowly,
you have the waves of feminismthat go, we can do everything
men can do.
And as the 1900s progress, youhave this, well, we don't need
men, we don't need men.
So men slowly stopped growing upbecause the demand to be a man
wasn't there anymore.
And so it is on the men.
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Because at the time of The 19thAmendment passing in the states,
only 4% of women wanted itbecause the way that the voting
system worked was the householdwould vote as one conglomerate,
one unit.
And so the husband wasresponsible for his entire
family and would vote for thefamily as one unit, and the
government went, well, okay,we're missing half of the
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population, we can't tax them,what are we gonna do?
Well, we'll tell them they needto be independent, they need to
do their own thing, and thenwe'll get the kids, because
we'll get the kids in school,and we can indoctrinate them how
we want, and we'll split them,we'll cause this division, we'll
have couples fighting with eachother, whereas it used to be one
unit, and the burden ofresponsibility was still placed
on the man, but everyone's voicewas heard, respected, and loved,
and cherished, because if I justhave a group of yes men around
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me, that's miserable, I don'twant that, I want to be
challenged, I want people tospeak up, because there are
things things that I can saythat I don't see the full
picture of, but that if I'mmarried, my wife will see a full
picture of, or at least adifferent angle and can give me
a great perspective on it.
It's supposed to be that unison.
But when we started losing thatunison through the divide, men
stopped growing up because theydidn't need to anymore.
Like you said, they could swipeon dating apps and send a fire
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emoji now.
And women took theresponsibility of growing up and
becoming the men because theythere were no men.
And so they said, fine, we'lljust do it ourselves.
And so unfortunately, like yousaid, it is a cycle.
The men are seeing the women whoare masculine.
They're like, oh, I don't wantto do that.
And the women are seeing the menwho are in Neverland, the Peter
Pan lost boys, you know, they'rerefusing to grow up and they're
going, what are these punylittle weak men?
(31:17):
And we're going back and forthand back and forth and there's
no growth.
It's only going to stop,unfortunately, when the men
decide to grow up.
That is the only outcome for itbecause We can't sit here and
go, well, then women, you needto learn to be submissive and
quiet and loving and nurturingand all that stuff.
And then they do, but thenthere's a vacuum because there's
no masculinity.
There's going to need to besomething to fill that vacuum
(31:38):
before it's even created.
And so the men are going to haveto grow up if they want the
wives that they're claiming toactually want.
If they want a biblical, if theywant a Christian, if they want a
loving...
tender wife?
SPEAKER_00 (31:49):
Maybe I'm sinning.
I don't think I'm thatsubmissive.
SPEAKER_01 (31:53):
It's not a matter of just being yes or no or yes,
yes, yes all the time,obviously.
It's a matter of respectingopinions.
That's
SPEAKER_00 (31:59):
pretty much it.
No, of course I respect myhusband's opinion most of the
time.
SPEAKER_01 (32:04):
Yeah, well, the thing is you married him.
He's the head of the householdin the same way that my mom and
dad will have disagreements.
She still respects his decisionat the end of the day.
She'll voice her opinion andhe'll listen.
And if he sees a reason tochange his opinion, he will.
And if he doesn't, he He won'tand whether or not it ends well
or not is on him entirelybecause he made that decision.
So he has to take everythinginto account.
(32:25):
I have a friend of mine who's apastor who told me, he said he
had a dream where if he investedwith this guy, the company that
he would invest in would makehundreds of millions of dollars.
And God was saying, if you dothat, this is the outcome.
So he's going, I'm going toinvest.
His wife said, no, the guy'sgoing to take the money from
you.
He goes, God just told me it'sgoing to make money.
The wife said, okay.
She voiced her opinion.
What happened?
The company made money and thenthe guy took it.
(32:45):
So the wife had the extraopinion there, but she still
respected her husband saying,I'm going to do this.
She still voiced her opinion.
He still heard it.
His disregard was at his owndemise to his own detriment, but
the dynamic was not affected ina negative way because they
still love each other.
It was just essentially provingthat God uses both parties in
the relationship to communicate.
SPEAKER_00 (33:07):
I also think that the masculinization of women,
which I'm not totally against, Ithink is a function of financial
issues because you can no longerhave one person bringing in
income and expect to buy a home.
(33:29):
It's just impossible.
No, it
SPEAKER_01 (33:30):
is, and it's terrible.
SPEAKER_00 (33:31):
Without two people working full time,
SPEAKER_01 (33:35):
Yeah, I lamented it in literally the first chapter.
I called it The America YourParents Knew Is Dead.
And so in 1959, According to theTreasury, a college graduate
would earn a salary of justabout$10,000 a year, which was
equivalent today to$120,000.
SPEAKER_00 (33:49):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (33:51):
Today, a college graduate is making$80,000 a
year.
That's a third of the price ortwo thirds.
And how do you buy a house?
You can't.
Homeschool your children likeyou want to.
Inflation has, there's no way todo it.
I 100% agree.
And so it's not black and white,like, well, the people need to
do this and then this and thenthis.
It almost is.
We could start with men growingup, men taking responsibility
(34:13):
men deciding you know what it'smay not get married but let me
just let me just do this becauseI don't need it you know anyone
else kind of thing andeventually things will follow
but we have to take that firststep
SPEAKER_00 (34:23):
Brayden tell me where we can find your book and
the title and if it's availablein audio or
SPEAKER_01 (34:31):
I'm working on an audio book right now okay I'll
be reading it in my voice mysoothing tranquil um it's
available on sorbostudios.comPeople want to go there.
We have the shop where they canget a signed copy.
And if they don't want to dothat and they would rather
support Amazon, it is there,although I don't know why they
would choose that.
SPEAKER_00 (34:47):
What's the name of the book?
SPEAKER_01 (34:48):
The book is called Embrace Masculinity.
SPEAKER_00 (34:50):
Okay, great.
Thank you, Brayden, for comingto speak to us today.
Do you have a social mediahandle?
SPEAKER_01 (34:56):
I do.
It's just Brayden Sorbo.
Just all platforms anywhere andeverywhere.
IG, Facebook, Twitter.
IG, Facebook, Instagram, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (35:02):
All right, great.
Thank you.
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