Inside the Life of an Exorcist: Father Dan Reehil on Faith and Deliverance

Join Father Dan Reehil, a world-renowned exorcist and priest, as he shares his unique journey from Wall Street banker to spiritual deliverance ministry. Discover his experiences confronting evil, the path to priesthood, and insights on Marian apparitions in Lourdes, Medjugorje, and beyond. Father Dan discusses the challenges facing the modern Church, the importance of confession without judgment, and the powerful messages of peace and prayer that Our Lady delivers through apparitions worldwide. This episode offers a rare glimpse into the intersection of faith, deliverance, and hope in today's complex world.

Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Do priests judge when we confess those type of
embarrassing sins?

SPEAKER_02 (00:05):
There's nothing I haven't heard.
Okay, that's interesting.
I mean, murder.
Wait, what?
Murder.
You know, an actual murder of agrown person.
There's the greatest attack ontruth, I think, ever in the
history of the world, whereeverybody just makes up whatever
they want and say, this is mytruth.
That's not

SPEAKER_00 (00:19):
how

SPEAKER_02 (00:19):
truth

SPEAKER_00 (00:19):
works.
I feel like we've become aculture of normalizing bad
things.
Yes, we are.
There's a bit of selective ragegoing on in this country.

SPEAKER_02 (00:28):
I'm only interested in pleasing God.
I don't care what everybody elsehas to say or think about it,
because if your opinion opposeshis opinion, I don't want your
opinion.

SPEAKER_00 (00:37):
We're here today with Father Dan Rehill.
He's from Tennessee, and he is,I think, a world-renowned
exorcist.
I know you've done this like athousand times before, but can
you give us a little backgroundinto what made you get into the
priesthood and specifically thisdeliverance ministry?

SPEAKER_02 (00:54):
Sure.
Well, thank you for having mehere.
There's a couple of...
Just the way that you phrasedthe question is what a lot of
people think is like...
priests go looking to do this.
And it's quite the opposite.
The bishop assigns the man to bethe exorcist, and it's usually
somebody who is not obsessedwith supernatural things.

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So in my case, I came up, thefirst time I encountered evil
was actually at Lord's, a linein the baths, going into the
bath, and this possessed womanstarted manifesting.
It was probably around the year99, 2000.
And that's the first time Ireally saw anybody behaving that

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way.
And I wasn't sure what was goingon until I locked eyes with her.
And I felt the evil coming atme.
And it scared me a lot.
I hid behind one of the pillarsso it wouldn't see me.
I mean, this is my reaction.
So I've come a long way.
But from there, you know, Ididn't want to be a priest.

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I worked on Wall Street.
I was a banker.
I ran a corporate communicationsPR firm for a few years, the
sales division.
So this was not on my radar.
And then in Bosnia Herzegovina,I had a conversion where I came
back to the church after 22years.
And then that's when I startedpraying, asking the Lord if he

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wanted me to do something elsewith my life.
And about almost two years lateron November 5th of 2000, I heard
a voice audibly say, come followme right after a communion at an
early Sunday morning mass.
And I turned around to see whowas talking to me and there was
nobody there.
So I realized, oh, you'reanswering me after all this

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time.
So that was my call for me to gointo the priesthood.
Of course, from there, there's agradual disengaging with the
world.
So I took Monday off to pray.
Tuesday, I called in.
I went in to tell my boss I wasleaving to do this.
I gave her like two monthsnotice to find a replacement.

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And then just started really...
researching where do we go,because it's not as easy.
A hundred years ago, youbasically went to your local
church, and they guided you intowhatever diocese you were, or
your local religious order, theFranciscans or the Dominicans,
whoever was in your region.

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But given that we are so mobilenow, really all the options are
open.
So my ability to manage thingswas still pretty...
embedded in me.
So I put up spreadsheets allover my apartment with all the
religious orders and theircharisms and their locations.

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And most importantly, how manyyears did it take to be a
priest?
You know, my first choice wasthe legionaries because I
thought they were like the NavySeals of religious communities.
And they took one look at me andsaid, no, no, no, you're not
called here because I didn'tlook really the part.
At that time, I had a big bushybeard and kind of wild hair.
And they're a very clean cutlooking order.

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I'm not saying that's the reasonthey didn't want me, but I
really didn't mesh that well,apparently.
So that didn't work out.
And then I kept doing this.
And after a while, I went backto my spiritual director and
said, you know, nobody's reallywanting me to join.
So he says, OK, well, tell mewhat happens.
And I started telling him, well,I fly to these places and I meet

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with these people.
And I start asking themquestions about their order and
what's their long-term visionfor the order and how are they
gonna, what's the plan for thenew evangelism, all these
questions.
And he goes, are youinterviewing them?
And I said, yes.
He goes, no, you're going to beinterviewed.
You're probably coming off likean arrogant New Yorker.

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That's why they're not likingyou.
So he said, from now on, justshow up and don't say anything.
Just listen, respond like you'reon trial, as short answer as
possible, and try that that way.
switch gears, I start doingthis.
Eventually I entered, 9-11happened, and I left New York
and went up to Boston for ayear.

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And from there I went into HolyApostles in Connecticut, got my
philosophy done, and then wentinto theology back in New York.
So the path was a little bitwindy, not the typical path, but
you eventually get throughseminary, you get ordained.
And Now you're given usually aparochial vicar.
So you're not the pastor rightaway.

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You have another couple of yearsto learn how things work in that
diocese and their policies andhow to minister the sacraments
properly.
And you're kind of mentoringunder the pastor.
Usually.
I mean, in some dioceses rightnow, I know guys that get
ordained and they're going rightinto being pastors because they
have so few priests.

SPEAKER_01 (05:53):
Oh.

SPEAKER_02 (05:54):
There's also a few places, not so few actually,
where some priests have three,four parishes.
And they spend Sunday justdriving around, having mass in
all these places.
So we're in a little bit of

SPEAKER_00 (06:04):
a...
That's a heavy lift.

SPEAKER_02 (06:05):
A tight spot.
Yeah.
Right now, the vocations are notcovering the number of priests
who are dying and retiring.
So something has to change.
But anyway...
back to deliverance.
Somewhere in that process, I wasa contemplative hermit for five
years in a religious communityin Nebraska, and part of their

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ministry was deliverance.
And my superior was the exorcistof Omaha.
So as we had these people comein for liberation, I was usually
one of the guys picked to helpon the team, because I'm a
little bit bigger, I'm a largerAmerican, to restrain these
people.
And so that was when I startedgetting a really detailed look

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at how this works.
Also in Boston, that priest Ilived with for a year, He was
doing deliverance ministry.
So it was kind of all around me.

SPEAKER_00 (06:52):
It kind of picked you.

SPEAKER_02 (06:53):
Yes, and then when I got to Nashville, the bishop
there asked if me and one otherpriest would do the deliverance
for the diocese.
We said, of course, whatever youneed.
And when he died and wasreplaced, the new bishop said to
me, are you the exorcist?
I said, no, we don't have one.
And he says, well, I think youshould go to Rome and get
trained.
And so he sent me, and that'show that happened.

SPEAKER_00 (07:16):
Very interesting.
Father Dan, you mentioned bothLourdes and Magigore when you
mentioned Herzegovina.
A lot of people, Catholics andnon-Catholics, don't know about
Marian apparitions.
Do you want to explain to peoplea little bit about what Marian
apparitions are?

SPEAKER_02 (07:35):
Sure.
So for a very long time, youknow, thousands of years,
there's been many places wherepeople have received kind of a
meeting with Our Lady where shewould appear to them and have a
special particular message togive at that time for whatever
was going on.
And a lot of them are not evendocumented well.

(07:59):
But the most famous wouldprobably be Guadalupe, which we
just celebrated a little bitago, where she appeared in
Mexico to the Aztec peoples,particularly Juan Diego, with
this message of mercy that I amyour mother and my son Jesus is

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really the one you know and theimagery she appeared on this the
mantle of this man which is sortof like a poncho made of fibers
of almost like corn husk orsomething

SPEAKER_00 (08:33):
yeah and

SPEAKER_02 (08:35):
it It sent a message because they were praying to the
sun and moon gods.
And here she is with the sun isbehind her, so she's in front of
it.
And the moon is under her feet,so she was sending a message
like, I come to tell you thatI'm stronger than these, but
then I'm in a prayer positionpraying to somebody else.

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So I'm not God, but I'm prayingto him.
And there's other great ones,the Lords, France, where she
appeared...
to little Bernadette Subaru andasked that a church be built
there and this spring would popup where she dug and this
miraculous water still flowsthere today with many miraculous
healings have occurred.

(09:18):
Fatima is another big one, about100 years ago plus in Portugal.
And then this most latest one inMedjugorje for about 44 years.
Our lady's been appearing daily,which is really unique.
We're talking about over 10,000apparitions.
So what does it mean?
Well, usually she comes to givea message to the world that

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you're straying and you're goingdown the wrong road and come
back to my son.
That's the basic message.
Pray, pray for peace, engage myson, deepen your prayer life
with him and turn away fromevil.
I mean, this is nothing new.
This is the message of thegospel.
But sometimes we need to hear itover and over.

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You know, when you have a motherhow many times does she tell you
clean up your room clean up yourroom or come over here do your
homework it's usually two threefour five six seven times right
before we finally do it andshe's no different this is an
important message to return togod the the days we live in are
filled with diabolical problemsAnd I would say even many

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earthly problems.
We have wars happening aroundthe planet.
There's different diseases keeppopping up, natural disasters.
The flooding all over Europe isinsane right now.
So she's saying, come back to myson today.
This is the way.
If you're listening to this,today's the day.
Today's the day.
Don't wait another day.

SPEAKER_00 (10:46):
I actually traveled to Magigory a few months ago,
and I'm a type A, alpha, superhigh-stress, anxiety person.
The minute I landed in Magigory,there was a vibration that I
never felt before.
I was completely calm,completely unbothered.

(11:06):
I just wanted to...
At first, when I got there, Iwas like...
I stayed actually, I guess youwould describe them as a hostel.
The visionaries and theirfamilies run these very basic,
very humble, kind of hostelslash hotel type places.
And I stayed there, I mean,super simple.
And I met this man, his name wasRocco.

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And I was like, I don't reallyneed to be here more than a day,
but this is kind of cool.
And I asked Rocco, I go, howlong are you here, Rocco?
He's like, I come here everyyear for 10 days.
And I thought to myself, WHAT?
is he going to do here for 10days?
And I went to confession, I wentto mass, and it was like so
life-changing for me.

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And then at the end of it, Ididn't want to leave actually.
And I kind of knew why Roccowanted to be there, but I
couldn't actually explain it inwords.
It was just like a feeling.
When we were in Magigore, therewere basically confession stands
all over the place.
And I had to go to confessionface to face, like no veil, no
mass, nothing.
And I found it really awkward.

SPEAKER_02 (12:10):
Yeah.
It can be.
And it's important that werealize that the priest has
heard every sin possible.
We do not judge you.
We want you leaving therecompletely free and pure, that
your soul is sparkling in theeyes of God.
And people have to know,Catholics have to know, if you
purposely withhold a sin becauseyou're embarrassed, it

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invalidates the confession.
And then there was no point ineven going in because you didn't
get absolved.
Even if the priest prays thewords, it It actually doesn't
affect your soul if you've heldback a sin because you're
embarrassed.
Having said that, go anonymouslybecause then you don't have to
have the awkward moment with thepriest.

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I find most people, when they docommit a sin that is somewhat
embarrassing, they don't likegoing to their parish priest and
they'll go to the next parishover because- I've

SPEAKER_01 (13:04):
done that too.

SPEAKER_02 (13:04):
For that confession, they're like, I want to go to
somebody that doesn't know me.
I get that.
I unfortunately can't usually goto an anonymous confession
because I don't have a priestreally near me.
So I'm usually grabbing a priestwhen I see him and say, hey, can
you hear my confession?
Because you're passing throughmy town.
It's easier for me to just do itwith you.
But this is a great gift of Godfor his people.

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And it's much better to get yoursoul cleansed, no matter how bad
the sin is, than to retain itand then potentially end your
life in a state where you're notworthy to get to heaven.

SPEAKER_00 (13:38):
Do priests judge us when we kind of confess those
type of embarrassing sins?

SPEAKER_02 (13:45):
No, not at all.
There's nothing I haven't heard.

SPEAKER_00 (13:49):
Really?

SPEAKER_02 (13:49):
Okay,

SPEAKER_00 (13:50):
that's interesting.
Murder.
Wait, what?

SPEAKER_02 (13:53):
Murder, you know, an actual murder of a grown person.
I've heard that in confession.

SPEAKER_00 (13:58):
Do you have to report that?
No.

SPEAKER_02 (14:01):
I can't report it.

SPEAKER_00 (14:03):
Interesting.
I didn't know that.
I thought you had a legalobligation to report

SPEAKER_02 (14:08):
that.
No, if I report it, I'mexcommunicated.

SPEAKER_00 (14:10):
Oh, wow.
That's really interesting.
I just learned that today.
Yeah.
That's good.
That's

SPEAKER_02 (14:17):
how serious the church takes that sacrament.

SPEAKER_00 (14:20):
Wow.

SPEAKER_02 (14:20):
That seal cannot be broken.

SPEAKER_00 (14:22):
Has that happened before?
Has

SPEAKER_02 (14:24):
it been broken?

SPEAKER_00 (14:25):
Has like a priest turned in...
Yeah, broken in that way.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_02 (14:29):
it's happened.

SPEAKER_00 (14:30):
It has.

SPEAKER_02 (14:31):
Yeah, it's very difficult, particularly in the
modern days we live.
We have face-to-faceconfessions.
I'm not a fan of it.
So in my confessional, oneperson enters this side through
a door.
I come in another side.
There's a screen.
I can't see you.
I don't know who you are.

SPEAKER_00 (14:44):
I prefer that too.

SPEAKER_02 (14:45):
I think everybody should.
I

SPEAKER_00 (14:47):
know.

SPEAKER_02 (14:47):
Because I don't want to know who you are, and I don't
want to accidentally revealanything about you.
So if I don't know you, and bythe way, right now in two states
in America...
I think New Hampshire is one ofthem.
I can't remember.
Maybe Oregon is the other.
They're trying to break thatseal so that the police can
question priests about crimes.
And if they don't answer thequestions, they can be thrown in

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jail and fined.
There's bills trying to bepassed through their courts to
do that.
That would be a terribletravesty.
But again, if all the priestswould go back to anonymous
confession, we don't have toworry.

SPEAKER_00 (15:22):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 (15:22):
Because I don't know who you are.
But anything revealed, so forexample, this happened to me one
day.
Some guy came in and he did hiswhole confession.
They said, hey, Father, it'sJohn Doe.
Tonight's my wife Julie'sbirthday party.
Come by the house.
And I said, okay, so if I showup at your house and you told me

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this in the confession, I'vejust broken the seal and I get
excommunicated.
You can't do that.
And he wasn't trying to get mein trouble, but people don't
know.
Stick to your confession in theconfessional, and then outside
the confessional, have yourprivate conversation about
whatever you want to talk toFather about.
So I said to him, if you want meto come tonight, you have to
come up to me outside theconfessional, and once again,

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invite me to your house whenit's not under the seal, and
then I can show up.
But see how easy it would be tojust...

SPEAKER_00 (16:15):
Yes, no, I 100% agree.
Like I said, I prefer theanonymous confession because...
Kind of like you're talking toGod.

SPEAKER_02 (16:24):
You are talking to God.
You are talking to God.
I'm just the middle man, so tospeak.
But let me tell you, in theearly church, maybe fourth,
fifth centuries after we hadsort of building churches, the
first three centuries, therewere no buildings because they
were killing the Christians.
And if you put up a building andsaid, here's where we are, they
would come and capture them,throw them into the Colosseum
and kill them.

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So the first actual brickbuildings happened when
Constantine the Great, emperor,started protecting the
Catholics, and then thebuildings started becoming...
So in the early church,confession was a bit different.
You had to confess your sinspublicly on the steps of the
church to the whole congregationand the priest.
Can you imagine how hard thatwould be?

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To

SPEAKER_00 (17:06):
the public humiliation.
Today,

SPEAKER_02 (17:07):
when people say, oh, it's so difficult, I go, you
have no idea how easy you haveit compared to the old days when
you had to publicly do that.
So when we do our penitentialrite before Mass, I confess to
Almighty God and to you, mybrothers and sisters, that I
have greatly sinned in my faultsand in my deeds, what I have
done and failed to do.

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So we still do it, but we don'tname the sins, which is easier.
But we are proclaiming we'resinners.
And then we ask for God's mercy.
And at that point in the mass,there's an absolution given for
all of your venial sins.
So if you told a little whitelie, stole a pack of gum, all
these things are forgiven atthat point so that you can
receive communion completely ina state of grace.

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If you have a mortal sin, youstill have to go to the
confessional.
And in that case, you should notcome up for communion.

SPEAKER_00 (17:57):
Also, I have a background in psychology.
I also find confession, if youjust take the religious heaven
component out of it, I find itvery therapeutic.

SPEAKER_03 (18:08):
It is.

SPEAKER_00 (18:09):
Just from a psychological perspective, I
feel lighter.

SPEAKER_02 (18:13):
Well, could be other things too.
Because when we sin, demonsattach to us.

SPEAKER_01 (18:19):
Wow.

SPEAKER_02 (18:20):
And the longer you go before you go to confession,
the more they're building upbecause they invite their
friends in.
And if you've ever been, knowsomebody who's been 5, 10, 15,
20 years and they finally go toconfession, they say, I felt as
light as a feather coming out ofthere.
I just can't believe I feel thisgood.
Well, yeah, because all thedemons get broken off you in the

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confessional.
When the absolution takes root,they have to go.
And they know they have to.
They're lawyers.
They know they have to go.
And then you're suddenly setfree.
And so that's a tangible feelingthat you can experience when it
could also be psychological.
But imagine now that you areunencumbered and you have a free
pipeline of grace andreceptivity coming to you from

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heaven with nothing stoppingthat or limiting it.
It changes everything.
And that's how people can reallyexperience the truth of Jesus
Christ in their heart, wherewhen they hear something, they
immediately know that's notright, that doesn't sound right.
There's the greatest attack ontruth, I think, ever in the

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history of the world, whereeverybody just makes up whatever
they want and say, this is mytruth.
That's not how truth works.
Truth is that which is in accordwith reality.
And there's only one truth atany given set of circumstances.
There can't be options for othertruths.
So there's just the fact of thatas a philosophical level, but

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then there's also religiousimplications.
If Jesus said that he is the wayand the truth and the life, he
is truth incarnate.
When we attack truth, we'reattacking him.
Have you thought about that?
Think about that.
But all the attacks againsttruth that are going on in this
world, he's the truth.
So it's, The demons know that.
So this is bigger than just whatwe see at eye level in this

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realm.

SPEAKER_00 (20:13):
100%.
And I think a quote I heard onetime, and I always go back to
it, you're entitled to your ownopinions, but you're not
entitled to your own facts.

SPEAKER_02 (20:22):
Perfect.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_00 (20:23):
true.
I want to go back to Magigori 1for a minute.
While I was there, one of thevisionaries' friends told me
that the Virgin brought thevisionaries and gave them a
glimpse into both heaven andhell.
And heaven was exactly how youwould envision it.
Pure bliss, felt every goodfeeling, smells everything that

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you could think of.
And then when she gave them aglimpse into hell, it was half
beast, half human bodies on anocean where that was on fire.
Do you think that she showedthat vision of hell to children
because that's what they couldrelate to, or do you think

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that's a universal vision ofhell?

SPEAKER_02 (21:12):
No, I think when she shows people hell, it's a
warning to let people know thisis real.
She did the same thing for theFatima children.
I mean, think about that.
They were seven, maybe seven,eight, and 10.
These are little kids that gotto see this horror.
Right.
And when they came back fromthat, They were completely

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transformed and they took upevery penance possible to save
souls from going there.
Like it changed their entirelife.
And I think for Medjugorje, itwas similar.
In fact, it was a little bit ofa funny story because, you know,
the little guy

SPEAKER_00 (21:46):
Ivan?

SPEAKER_02 (21:47):
No.
Ivan's pretty big.
He's my size.

SPEAKER_00 (21:50):
Okay.
Yakov.
Yakov.
Yeah, yeah.
He was the youngest one, right?
Okay.
He was seven.
I think he's

SPEAKER_02 (21:54):
also an only child.

SPEAKER_00 (21:56):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (21:56):
And when she says, you know, now I'm going to take
you to hell, he said, no, no,no, no.
Don't take me.
Take her.
Because I'm an only child.

SPEAKER_00 (22:04):
Oh, that's so sweet.
I guess he thought they weregoing

SPEAKER_02 (22:06):
permanently or something.
But she said, no, no, don'tworry.
You're coming back.
Something to that effect.
But yeah, he was a little bitfrightened.
As you should be.
You know, this is...
It's a horrible place.
And just like someone involvedwith fragrance and scent is a
big part of your life withcandles and perfume and all the
other products, there are scentsin heaven that we have not

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smelled here on earth that arebeyond.
There are colors we haven't seenyet.
I mean, it's a whole differentrealm.
And similarly, on the flip side,there are horrible smells and
odors in hell and horriblelooking things in hell that we
haven't experienced in thislife.
It's more real, the spiritrealm, than the corporal realm.

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People go, we can't comprehendbecause this is all we know.
But for people who've gone thereand come back, they have a very
clear, clear message, thoughthis is a very one-dimensional
existence compared to heaven.
or hell so like the bestdescription I heard was if you
pick if you imagine somebodysomebody you love and they're

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the most beautiful person inyour eyes and you can see the
whole three-dimensional aspectof their smile and their
character and their face andtheir eyes and the different
colors and that's heaven andthen if you look at a shadow of
that same person on the sidewalkthe flat gray there's no
definition at all that's earthBut we don't know that.

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And so we treat this life aseverything.
And we often to the point ofmissing the big picture of this
is the goal here.
Don't miss.
You know, I was a lifeguardgrowing up on Long Island.
And even when I was away fromGod, one day I went down to the
beach early before the sun wascoming up, and I was just

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sitting on the sand looking atthe ocean, and a voice spoke to
me in my mind, not out here, andsaid, it was very odd, he said,
pick up a grain of sand.
So if you've ever tried to pickup a grain of sand, you can't.
It's like 20 grains.
But I tried, and I'm looking atit, and the voice said, that's
your life on earth.

SPEAKER_01 (24:20):
Wow.

SPEAKER_02 (24:21):
Now look at the rest of the beach, which goes for
miles of sand.
That's eternity.
Don't lose the beach for the onegrain of sand.
And it really made an impact onme because I was looking, you
can't even comprehend the amountof sand that's on a beach.
It's impossible.
And yet many people live justfor that little grain of sand in

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this life.
And you should live your lifefull, but not to the extent
extent of cutting out youropportunity for heaven.
That always has to be, whenyou're making decisions about
your life, that has to be in theforefront.
Is this moving me closer to mygoal or is this moving me away
from my goal?

SPEAKER_00 (25:02):
Interesting.
Why do you think she alwaysappears to children?

SPEAKER_02 (25:08):
Probably because children are innocent, more
innocent.
This is why the devil attackschildren.

SPEAKER_00 (25:14):
Interesting.
I didn't know

SPEAKER_02 (25:15):
that.
Look at the children are alwaysunder attack, even in our own
culture.
Yes.
What's happening?
It's the children.

SPEAKER_01 (25:21):
Interesting.
I didn't think about it thatway.
Guadalupe.

SPEAKER_02 (25:24):
What was happening in Guadalupe?
They were offering theirchildren human sacrifice to the
sun and moon god.
When she intervened, theystopped.

SPEAKER_00 (25:33):
That's very, very interesting.

SPEAKER_02 (25:35):
Herod went after the children to kill all the
children, the boys, when Jesuswas there.
I mean, throughout history, evenbefore, the Jewish people, They
were worshiping Malik.
Malik was this big god who isactually a demon.
And they crafted a big moltenstatue out of this thing.
It looked human with like a bullhead.

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It had outstretched arms.
And they would heat it till itglowed bright red.
It was so hot.
And then they would place theirbabies in the arms of this
molten thing.
And they would sizzle to death.
So sad.
And God would say, stopworshiping these pagan idols.
That's what he's talking about.
They're killing their kids.

SPEAKER_00 (26:15):
Let's go over just the basics of getting possessed.

SPEAKER_02 (26:18):
Okay, the very scary part is one mortal sin is enough
to open the door for the devilto have access to you.
That rarely happens.
Okay, good to know.
But that's all it takes, okay?
So the more we reject God andembrace God things that are
contrary to God, like satanicpractices, witchcraft, psychics,

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Ouija boards, all these sort ofthings that engage demons,
you're at risk.

SPEAKER_00 (26:50):
Father Steve said making a deal with the devil was
high on his list.

SPEAKER_03 (26:57):
Well, of course.

SPEAKER_00 (26:59):
Of course.
I mean, obviously it's ano-brainer.
That's a gimme, right?

SPEAKER_02 (27:03):
Yeah, the funny thing is the devil will give you
what you want for a time.

SPEAKER_00 (27:07):
And it

SPEAKER_02 (27:07):
might seem like you got over on the devil and then
the day comes to pay up and thenyou're in big trouble.

SPEAKER_00 (27:13):
I really struggle with that one because who in
their right mind would make adeal with the devil?
Who thinks he's going to keephis end of the bargain?
I

SPEAKER_02 (27:24):
think a lot of people are.
Again, we go back to truth.
If you don't know what realtruth is and you're just
floating through the least pathof resistance in life and
absorbing all this, put my...
what do they call them,storyboards, or my vision board
out into the universe, and theuniverse will reward me.

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Like, who do you think you'redealing with?
You're saying, this isn't God,it's the universe.
No, the universe is created.
So you're talking, again, backto a demon.
I think a lot of these peopledo.
You hear about it all the timewith the Hollywood celebrities.
Oh, yeah.
Talking about all these thingsthey do.
Some of them have even said...

(28:04):
said she's a practicing witch.
Ariana

SPEAKER_00 (28:08):
Grande said she's a practicing witch.
Okay, good to know.
I'm pretty sure most of herLatin family is probably of
Catholic background.

SPEAKER_02 (28:16):
I don't know, but, you know, once you go down these
roads, a lot of musicians areinto the occult.

SPEAKER_00 (28:23):
And I also heard that...
Her ex-husband just came out andsaid that she was practicing
Santeria, where you cut chickensand bathe in their blood.

SPEAKER_02 (28:31):
Nothing would surprise me anymore.

SPEAKER_00 (28:34):
Father, what kind of people come to you for help and
ask to be bailed out?

SPEAKER_02 (28:38):
So they pretty much stretches the gamut of a lot of
different religions.
Where I live is mostly Baptists,so we predominantly have Baptist
people coming for help, but someCatholics.
And what usually is theprecedent is they've done
something that's invited a demoninto their life.

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So in a very basic instruction,there was a bus driver.
And one day at the end of hisroute, everybody got off the
bus, and there was a Ouija boardon the bus.
And if...
Nobody claims it in 24 hours.
You can take it home and keepit.
So he brought it home to hiskids.
It showed him how to play it.
It started doing its own thing.
Nobody's touching the littledisc, and it's going six, six,

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six, and then would pause and doit again with nobody moving it.
So the kids start screaming.
The dad comes down.
He's like, what's going on?
And then he watches it and says,oh, well, that doesn't look
good.
And he throws it out.
But they engaged.
They took the thing out of thebox, they played it, and then it
started up.

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That night, they all had nightterrors.
Within a few days, some of thekids have suicidal thoughts.
The final straw was a very crazything.
The dad had carved up a chickenfor dinner.
It was cooked, cooked chicken,

SPEAKER_00 (30:00):
roast chicken.
He's carving like

SPEAKER_02 (30:03):
Thanksgiving turkey sort of thing.
And he leaves all the bones onthe cutting board and they're
eating the dinner and the bonesflew up in the air and across
the room and impaled through hispants into his thigh.
And he went to the hospital andone of the nurses was Catholic
and says, you don't need adoctor, you need a Catholic
priest.
Call the church.
And that's how they got to me.

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And so I came and did the wholedeliverance of the house.
Next day I called follow up.
Everybody was good.
Everybody slept well.
Peace is restored.
Great.
Amen.
A couple days later, he finisheshis route, and he goes around
the bus.
On the back of the bus was abrand new Ouija board.

SPEAKER_00 (30:43):
Oh, no.
And he said, this thing's after

SPEAKER_02 (30:46):
me now.
What do I do?
And I said, take it home, blessit in holy water, and then burn
it.
And he did that, and that wasit.
It was over.

SPEAKER_00 (30:54):
That's awesome that it was over that quickly.
But

SPEAKER_02 (30:56):
you see how we have to do something that invites
them in, even if we're notknowingly doing it.
Some people think that's just agame.

SPEAKER_00 (31:04):
I...
I used, before I came back tothe church, I guess reversion,
would you call it a reversion?
I used to see psychicsregularly, and I ended up
becoming friendly with one.
And I wanted to kind of get youropinion.
I no longer go to see her aslike a guide, but I was

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wondering, can I still stayfriendly with her?

SPEAKER_02 (31:31):
She's a child of God, so yes.
Okay.
But be careful of any influenceshe might have.

SPEAKER_00 (31:37):
No, I'm pretty prayed up, and I renounced it,
denounced it, all the prayersthat we've said.
You

SPEAKER_02 (31:42):
don't want to participate in anything she's
doing in that regard.
Here's the big problem withpsychics that most people don't
understand, because this happensall the time.
So right now, we've got aboutone, two, three, there's five of
us in the room here.
That means there's at least fiveguardian angels, probably a few
more, and then probably as manydemons.
watching.
They're taking notes.

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They're recording everythingbecause they want to accuse us
before God at the end of ourlives.
So let's say there's a personwho is in the room with their
mother and she's dying inhospice and it's just the two of
them.
And the mother says to thechild, you know, I want to share
this secret with you.
I've never told anybody, blah,blah, blah.
Shares the secret.
Mom dies and this person's nevertold anybody.

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And then they go to the psychicand says to the psychic, I want
to talk to my mom.
And she died a month ago.
And the psychic starts doingtheir thing.
And the demon shows up.
and feeds the line, the mother'ssecret to the psychic.
The psychic regurgitates thesecret back to the kid.
And the kid says, only my mothercould know that.

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It was just the two of us.
Because they're not thinking inspirit realm.
And so they instantly believeit's their mother.
And they're hooked now.
They're in.
It wasn't the mother.
It's a demon.
If the mother's in heaven, shehas no desire to come back.
If she's in purgatory, she needsour prayers and she can't speak
to us unless God gives them withvery special, very limited

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access to come and ask forprayers.
And if she's in hell, she's notgetting out.
So it's not the dead relative.
Right.
Even though they can produceknowledge that can't be...
It's supernatural knowledge thatnobody would know.
That's one of the three callingcards of a possessed person.

SPEAKER_00 (33:23):
And you know what?
That's what had me hooked onpsychics for a long time because
they would give me informationthat otherwise no one would
know.
And one time...
It's very effective.
One time my phone was down andmy phone was just going like
this, moving...
in circles just like this, and Ijust got freaked out.
I got so freaked out, I threw myphone out.

(33:44):
And that was kind of like thebeginning of the end for
psychics for me.
But you talked about guardianangels.
People usually kind of equatethem with their loved ones.
Oh, I know my mom was watchingover me.
Are guardian angels people wemight know?
Okay, that's what I want to askyou.

SPEAKER_02 (34:01):
No, no, no.
So before the universe wascreated, God started by creating
the spirit realm.
And he made all the angels in aninstant.
That's it.
They were made all at once andthere was never any more made,
nor can they reproduce.
So they were all made and thenhe created everything else.
And those angels, we believeabout a third of them rebelled

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against God and went against himand fell and we call the fallen
angels demons now.
They still retain their powerand they retain their
intelligence.
But they think they're workingagainst God.
God can use everything for hisgood, but they're working
against us.
We are the number one enemy nowbecause they can't hurt God, but

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they can hurt God's children.
So when somebody says, oh, nowyou have another angel in
heaven, I smile and go, no, buthopefully your mother's there.
But she's going to still be yourmother.
She's not going to have wingsand fly around.
She's still a person.
And our belief is...
that after Jesus' final comingand reconciling everything back

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to his Father, those who havebeen deemed worthy of spending
eternity with him will be thengiven glorified bodies to
re-engage their soul and willforever be with him in a new
heaven and a new earth.
So the only two bodies in heavenright now are Jesus and Mary.
Everybody else is there inspirit form.

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And I would say they're probablystill pretty happy, but they're
not going to have this amazingfullness of the breath of
happiness until everything'sreconciled and we're all given a
glorified body, just like Jesusreceived at his resurrection.
And as St.
Paul says, we don't really knowwhat it's going to be like, but
we know it's going to be great.

SPEAKER_00 (35:51):
Father, what does it mean to be in a state of grace?
A

SPEAKER_02 (35:56):
state of grace means that you are in...
You have no sin acting as abarrier between you and God.

SPEAKER_00 (36:04):
Has anyone in a state of grace been possessed?

SPEAKER_02 (36:08):
Yes, but not in the way you would think.
Okay, so when you do somethingthat invites the demon in, then
you could become possessed, butpossessed people are not
possessed 24-7.
The demon kind of moves in andout, takes front position, back
position.
And if you were in a state wherethe demon was letting you do

(36:29):
what you need to be doing, andyou went to confession,
confessed the thing that openedthe door, you could now be in a
state of grace, but still underthe power of the demon.

SPEAKER_00 (36:38):
Interesting.
I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_02 (36:39):
Yeah.
So the number one tactic of thedemons is through their ordinary
work, which is temptation.
It's not sexy.
You don't make movies about it.
But that's the way you wind upin hell is by giving in to
temptation and doing the sin.
The extraordinary way theymanifest is through obsession

(37:02):
and oppression and vexations andpossession.
But those things necessarilydon't put you in hell.
The door that opened to thosethings could, but being
possessed doesn't make you gointo hell.

UNKNOWN (37:16):
Hmm.

SPEAKER_01 (37:17):
Interesting.

SPEAKER_02 (37:18):
But the guy who's sinning up and down, you know,
Vegas for hours on end and daysand days of whatever they're
doing, that guy's in jeopardy,you know, because he's
committing all these big sinsand doesn't really have a care
in the world.

SPEAKER_00 (37:34):
Has any person of the cloth been possessed?

SPEAKER_02 (37:38):
Yes, there's actually a story about a priest
up in Boston.
It's been documented in a bookcalled Hostage to the Devil.

SPEAKER_00 (37:45):
Hostage to the Devil.
Which was

SPEAKER_02 (37:46):
written by Father Malachi Martin, who died of
suspicious causes.
Allegedly, he got the secretfrom Fatima and then had a
tragic death soon thereafter.
But who knows?
It's all very cloak and dagger.
But he documented four cases andproduced this book.
It's a very interesting book.
I'd love to read it.
Because it's the real deal andthe details.

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And one of them was a priest.
The way they knew he waspossessed was more and more he
didn't want to be in the church.
He would get uncomfortable beingin the church.
So he would stop celebratingmass or he'd be busy doing other
things.
And then one day he had to dothis wedding.
So he says to this couple, let'sgo down to the beach and get

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married on the beach.
How do you like that?
Of course, most people are like,okay, that's great.
Not knowing you really shouldn'tdo that.
It's a sacrament that needs tobe in a church.
But anyway, they go down thereand halfway through the marriage
celebration, he picks up thebride and throws her into the
water and starts choking herunder the water.

SPEAKER_00 (38:48):
What?
Oh my God, that sounds insane.

SPEAKER_02 (38:50):
That was the signal that father has a problem.
And when the diocese was alertedto this, they investigated him,
and it turns out he waspossessed.

SPEAKER_00 (38:59):
Interesting.
Does the devil discriminate bysex, race, or...?
No.

SPEAKER_02 (39:10):
That's not to say that I don't have more cases.
Most cases are women.
But it's not because he's afterwomen.
I think most people, most womenare more receptive to the spirit
world, both good and bad.
Because women are naturallypredisposed to be more open.
Men are more closed up andthey're not so willing to
like...
engage in things they can't see.

(39:33):
You know what I mean?
Not all guys, but guys are morelike, show me the science.
More concrete.
Give me the science.

SPEAKER_00 (39:38):
When I used to see psychics, my husband always used
to say, that's not real.
She's just making it up.
So maybe that's, maybe

SPEAKER_02 (39:45):
something like that.
Well, she might not be making itup, but it's not what you think
it is.

SPEAKER_00 (39:49):
No, I know, but he never bought into it.
Maybe that's why.

SPEAKER_02 (39:53):
But I'll tell you who the target is.
So in the last line from thebook of Revelation chapter 12,
it says, he went off to wage waragainst the woman and her
offspring, those who keep God'scommands and are witness to
Jesus.
That's his number one target.
So if that's you, whichhopefully it is because you want

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to be in that group, that's whohe's going after.
So the Catholics who don't go tochurch, the Catholics who
believe abortion is fine, he'snot interested in them.
He's already got them in hisback pocket.
He's looking for the ones whoare actual true disciples of
Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_00 (40:29):
Got it.
And you kind of touched on it.
What are things we do to notinvite the devil in or the
demons in?

SPEAKER_02 (40:37):
Keep yourself protected by having a deep
relationship with the Trinity.
If you're Catholic, engage inthe sacraments as much as
possible.
I always tell people, we have,it's like if you've ever been on
a fancy cruise ship, you know,the smorgasbord buffet, that's
what we have.
And a lot of people are in thelifeboat eating a crusty

(40:58):
five-day piece of bread, andthat's all they're partaking of
when this is all available, butthat's all they're taking
because they don't know better.
They don't want to do all thesethings.
They don't want to learn aboutthe faith.
They don't want to come andreceive the Blessed Sacrament.
They don't want to go toiteration.
They don't go to confession.
They're not praying the rosary.
They don't have a scapula.
It's like they're just passingon everything.

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But it's all there.
I

SPEAKER_00 (41:22):
agree.
Can you explain the differencebetween obsession, oppression,
and possession?

SPEAKER_02 (41:29):
Yeah, and you know, different exorcists have
different words they use to dothese things, but in a very
basic way, you can understandthis.
When there's a supernaturalattack against your mind, your
thoughts, and that can be aplague of blasphemies going
through your head orpornographic movies playing in
your head that you can't stop,or screaming in your head from

(41:51):
these voices that won't stop,that's obsession.

SPEAKER_00 (41:56):
Obsession.

SPEAKER_02 (41:57):
It's almost like the word.
I'm obsessed with thesethoughts.
They can't stop.
Oppression is physical attacksagainst the body.
So I had a case where a guy wholived alone would wake up in the
morning and have bite marks allover his body, including his
back.
You can't bite your back.
Also physical illnesses thatwere unexplained and doctors

(42:19):
can't diagnose.
And then possession is when theytake full control of the body.
So you no longer have thecapacity to will your body to do
what you want it to do.

SPEAKER_00 (42:29):
One night after praying the rosary, I had a an
episode of sleep paralysis whereI couldn't even move and I
literally it was exactly what itsounded like and I never had
dreams like that before in mylife and I never had sleep
paralysis in my life and Iliterally I had the rosary next
to me and I grabbed it finallyit went away but I saw this like

(42:51):
vision of this person dressedall in black when I tell you it
was the most vivid dream I'veever had and I thought It was
all black.
It was so scary.
I couldn't even look in theperson's direction.
And do you think that was maybea spiritual attack?

SPEAKER_02 (43:05):
Of course.
Yes, it was.
About a year ago, I was having ademon.
I'd wake up and I'd be paralyzedand suffocating.
It was choking me out.
And I couldn't do anything.
And I would finally just screamthe name Jesus in my mind.
And it would leave.
But it came back a few nightslater.

(43:26):
It kept happening.
And I was getting tired of it.
I'm like, what's going on here?
I'm not doing anything.
What gave it authority to behere?
Never really figured out.
It could have just beenretaliation against the work I
was doing.
I don't know.
But one day I decided I'm takingthe rosary in the bed and I'm
keeping

SPEAKER_00 (43:45):
it in the bed.
That's what I did.

SPEAKER_02 (43:46):
Never came back.
So then I'm at a conference acouple of months after this and
I bump into Monsignor Rossettifrom D.C.
And out of the blue, he tells methe same story, that this
happened to him.
And I go, that is exactly whathappened to me.
And the same thing, he took therosary, never came back.

SPEAKER_00 (44:03):
Isn't it interesting we all went for our rosaries?
I started saying the Hail Mary.
And do you know what was the...
I say, probably, when I do therosary...
150 and when otherwise probably20 a day I was saying the Hail
Mary and I couldn't remember thesequence of it and that's when I
got really freaked out I'm likedo I have Alzheimer's what's

(44:25):
going on like I can't rememberthe prayer I say a hundred
thousand times a day no they

SPEAKER_02 (44:30):
can confuse you the spirit of confusion spirit of
blockage games all of it theycan interfere with your thoughts
and they can interfere with yourpassions with your emotions and
when they can put those togetherit can create scenarios that you
don't even understand what'shappening.
Like suddenly you could have agreat morning where you had a
great cup of coffee, sunrise,beautiful day, and then all of a

(44:52):
sudden you feel rage and you'relike, what is this?
Where is this coming from?
I have nothing to be mad at.
If it's not consistent with yourpersonality or the moment you're
living in, pause and ask theLord, what is this?
And then wait for him torespond.
And if you feel like this isn'tmy emotion, I don't know whose
it is, take authority overwhatever it feels like, rage,

(45:16):
anger, despair, and then in thename of Jesus, cast it out of
you and to his feet for him todispose of.

SPEAKER_00 (45:24):
Father, I read somewhere that the demons,
somebody who has a demonicattachment cannot say the Hail
Mary.

SPEAKER_02 (45:31):
That could be the case for somebody, but it's not
across the board.

SPEAKER_00 (45:35):
Okay.
Is there one particular prayerthat they're like heebie-jeebies
from?

SPEAKER_02 (45:42):
Actually, it depends really on each case because I've
had some cases where they'recompletely, as you're going
through the rite of exorcism,there's a litany of saints and
it's a pretty exhaustive list.
It goes on for quite a bit.
And there's certain saints whenyou say them that like this
person will react, the demonwill react in this person one

(46:03):
way and in a case a week later,it's a different saints that
seem to trigger it and make itvery annoyed.
So it's a subjective thing.
It's not a science because weare all very different, even
though we're all human, made inGod's image and likeness.
Your growing up experience is adifferent mine.
And then the other factor that'svery unique is that the demons

(46:28):
are angels, remember.
And Aquinas says that the angelsare so unique that every angel
is its own species in one way oranother.
Think about that.
So when you're combining thiswhole subset with this whole
subset of us, and we're all verydifferent and they have
differences, you're going to geta new equation almost every
time.
It's like a snowflake.
Every snowflake comes outlooking a little bit different

(46:50):
than the one next to it becauseit's a unique experience of
these factors matching up withthese factors in that one case.

SPEAKER_00 (46:58):
When you cast out a demon, where is that, or have
you ever...
Does the devil himself ever comeand possess a person?
Yes.
Why the devil himself and nothis partners or friends, demons?

SPEAKER_02 (47:11):
Well, there's usually a whole team.
It's rare that there's onedemon.
In fact, I don't know if I'veever seen just one demon.
They have a totem pole ofranking and hierarchy, and the
highest one up is usually thequietest.
And the lower ones do a lot ofthe babble in the beginning.
And as one by one they getbooted out, you eventually make
your way up to the kingpin.

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And that's the final one you gotto get out.

SPEAKER_00 (47:35):
Was there a particular circumstance that the
devil chose this person?
Can you talk about that case orno?

SPEAKER_02 (47:42):
Yeah, well, it's always a circumstance, yeah.
So I had one guy who wasCatholic up in Nashville in his
mid-20s.
The bars were closing and hesaid, you know, does anybody
know any place we can get somedrugs?
And one of his friends said, Iknow a house.
So imagine 2.30 in the morninggoing up to a house and knocking

(48:04):
on the door of somebody youdon't know.
So right away I said to thisguy, I go, Who does that?
Like, who goes to somebody'srandom house in the middle of
the night knocking on a door?
And he said, well, I opened thedoor.
It was kind of dark and lit bycandle.
And there were pentagrams on thewall and upside-down crucifixes
scattered around the house.

SPEAKER_00 (48:23):
That should have been his first

SPEAKER_02 (48:25):
clue.
Right.
I said, you have absolutely noself-preservation senses

SPEAKER_00 (48:28):
in you whatsoever.

SPEAKER_02 (48:30):
Like, nothing.

SPEAKER_00 (48:30):
It's like in the scary movie, Don't Go to the
Basement.
He went to the

SPEAKER_02 (48:33):
basement.
Exactly.
And they bought their drugs.
I think their drug of choice wascrack.
And he said the minute he smokedit, he felt the demon enter him.

SPEAKER_00 (48:42):
Wow.
He physically felt it.

SPEAKER_02 (48:43):
Felt it.
And then after a little bit, hedoesn't remember anything, but
woke up a few hours later with awitch having sex with him on top
of him.
And she was doing all sorts ofincantations as well.
So this guy, he had like thetriple threat of everything you
could do wrong, he did wrong.
And he was instantly under thedomain of Lucifer.

SPEAKER_00 (49:08):
Wow.
And how long did that take towork out for you?

SPEAKER_02 (49:12):
It took about, I think, three or four sessions.
And then he was completely free.
But he really wanted to be free.
I mean, he really chose.
One, he repented immediately.
He was begging God, please don'thold this against me.
I didn't realize this was evenan option.
I shouldn't have done the drugs,you're right, but please set me
free.
And so he was actively workingto get this thing out of him,

(49:37):
which is good because we have awill.
But a lot of time they beat downthe person so much that they
give up and they don't have astrong will.
This guy had a very strong will.

SPEAKER_00 (49:45):
A woman I sat next to on an airplane, I mean, as
soon as I tell people Ibasically own a prayer candle
company, they start, I don'tknow, it's like confession time
with me, and one woman told meon an airplane once that she
took an edible, and a medical,like medical grade, not like
illegal drugs or anything, shesaid immediately, she felt like

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what you were saying, somebodyenter her body, she became
paranoid, she became notherself, and she went to a
priest, and after so muchprayer, it finally went away,
but it took weeks, she said.
She did not feel like herself,and I wouldn't think something
sold on a medical level ortherapeutic level would do that

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to somebody.

SPEAKER_02 (50:34):
Well, the question is though, was it really?
Like, where did she get it?

SPEAKER_00 (50:39):
She said it was an edible, like a blueberry, she
called it.

SPEAKER_02 (50:42):
Okay, but, you know, some of these...
What do they call these placesthat sell this stuff?

SPEAKER_00 (50:49):
I guess dispensaries.

SPEAKER_02 (50:51):
Some of the dispensaries are also dabbling
in these dark arts.
So maybe it was just an ediblethat was harmless or neutral
until somebody's putting maybesome kind of little spell over
it saying, may all who eat thesebecome addicted to them so they
can come back and buy more.
Who knows?
I know in the record industryback in the 80s, In the 70s,

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some of these bands wereconsecrating their albums to
Satan with black masses.

SPEAKER_00 (51:23):
I remember, like the heavy metal bands.

SPEAKER_02 (51:25):
Remember Father John Carapi?
Yes.
He went to one of them and sawit, so we know this happened.
They can do the same thing withdrugs, edibles.

SPEAKER_00 (51:35):
Tattoos?

SPEAKER_02 (51:36):
Anytime your body's being touched or manipulated by
somebody, you better know theirspirituality.

SPEAKER_00 (51:44):
Interesting, okay.
Massage is okay.

SPEAKER_02 (51:48):
Well, is it?
What if it's a witch?

SPEAKER_00 (51:51):
Okay, so if you're in a state of grace, you're
getting a massage, how does thedemon get onto you?

SPEAKER_02 (51:55):
Well, the person could be doing all sorts of
their prayers to open yourselfup to them.
Yeah, but you never want peopletouching you that you don't know
who they are.
I mean, it's a good rule ofthumb anyway, but...

SPEAKER_00 (52:08):
How about if we make them say the Hail Mary first?
And the Our Father.

SPEAKER_02 (52:13):
I don't know.
I mean, do a little backgroundon your people you're going to.
Like, I go to a Catholic doctor.
He's very Catholic.
So when he examines me, I knowI'm not getting any kind of
third-party information.
analysis from something.

SPEAKER_00 (52:28):
Got it.
Okay.
And I know people are going to

SPEAKER_02 (52:30):
hear this and go, well, that seems ridiculous.
I mean, we have to go throughlife.
Yes, we do.
But this is on the rise.
Witchcraft is one of the fastestgrowing religions right now in
America.
And more and more of thesepeople are popping up and you
just, you really don't, once yousee somebody that has to go
through all the trouble ofgetting rid of the problem, just
don't open the door.

SPEAKER_00 (52:51):
Yoga?

SPEAKER_02 (52:52):
No.

SPEAKER_00 (52:53):
No.

SPEAKER_02 (52:54):
The poses?
No.
are a signal to that particulardemon attached to the pose.

SPEAKER_00 (53:00):
I heard Kundalini yoga is...
Ten times worse.
Ten times worse.
I had a friend who used to...
You're inviting a

SPEAKER_02 (53:07):
serpent into your spine.

SPEAKER_00 (53:08):
I'm good on that.
Come on.
I'm good.
I'm good.
No.
It's like

SPEAKER_02 (53:11):
sending a bat signal up, you know?
When you do the pose, oh,there's the signal.
Let's go.

SPEAKER_00 (53:15):
Father Dan, are there any misconceptions about
what you do?

SPEAKER_02 (53:20):
Probably a lot.
Yeah.
Many people think if I just getto that priest, it's like
putting a quarter in a gumballmachine and now give me what I
need and I'm on my way.
We do not do exorcism on demand.
Because the other side of thecoin of deliverance is healing.
There's usually an open woundthat needs to be closed before

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the demon can be cast out.
That's what a lot of peopledon't understand.
There's something in you that...
in some way invited this in andthat open door has to be shut.
And it's often a wound fromsomething in childhood or
something, a trauma or anexperience that caused them
tremendous pain or grief orabuse.

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That's the first thing.
The second thing is this isabout a relationship with Jesus
Christ.
So you now have to reconnectwith him.
So if you're an atheist, thatmeans you have to go find him.
You can't just go back to yourlife of being an atheist.
So I actually won't do thedeliverance if the person tells
me I have no interest in seekingout God.

SPEAKER_00 (54:29):
It's not really even a possession if you have no
interest in seeking out God,right?
If you don't believe in God,then you don't believe in the
devil.

SPEAKER_02 (54:37):
It doesn't matter.
The devil believes in you.

SPEAKER_00 (54:38):
No, but what I'm saying is what's the point of
even...
deliverance if you don't.

SPEAKER_02 (54:42):
Because they don't want the pain.

SPEAKER_00 (54:44):
Oh, I see.
They just want to be put out oftheir misery.
Does anyone enjoy being in astate of possession?

SPEAKER_02 (54:53):
According to some actresses in Hollywood, yes.
There was an actress not toolong ago that said she enjoyed
having sex with demons.

SPEAKER_00 (55:01):
She's just saying that for attention.
Have you encountered it yourselfwhere someone's like, I'm
possessed.
This works for me.
I'm good.

SPEAKER_02 (55:10):
No, but there is a spirit that can mimic
intercourse.

SPEAKER_00 (55:13):
That's just really weird.

SPEAKER_02 (55:15):
It is weird.
But for the people that it'shappened to, the first time it
comes in, they need aninvitation again.
They can't just do this to you.
And oddly enough, there was awoman who was a widow.
And she woke up one night andshe saw what she thought was her
husband standing in the room.
Sort of like...
Like you, not physically likeyou and me here, but more of

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like an image of

SPEAKER_00 (55:39):
him.
Hologram.

SPEAKER_02 (55:41):
And he said, can I lie down with you?
And she said, of course, comein.
Ah, there's the invitation.

SPEAKER_00 (55:47):
Oh, I see, because that could never be...
How about in a dream, if it wasin the form of a dream?

SPEAKER_02 (55:52):
Dreams, we don't have a full will always.
It's more, we're living throughit.
So it would depend on how muchyour will is involved.
But...
The state of twilight betweenawake and asleep, very dangerous
state to give a consent.
Don't give a consent toanything.
But anyway, that night he windsup, in her words, making love to
me.

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And she said it was very muchlike my husband.

SPEAKER_01 (56:16):
Wow.

SPEAKER_02 (56:17):
And the second night he came back, and this night he
did not ask permission and justcame into the bed and had sex
with her.
She said it was not like makinglove.
And the third night he wasraping her.

SPEAKER_01 (56:27):
That is so creepy.
And that's when she

SPEAKER_02 (56:29):
called, and I met with her, and she told me the
whole story.
And I said, let's be clear.
You did watch your husband getput into the ground in a box,
correct?
And she said, yes.
I go, why did you think he cameback?
Because it looked just like him.
And she was probably lonely.
Yes.
Missing him.

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This is what I mean.
They're very manipulative.
They know what you're...
Triggers are.
Exactly.
So you have to be on guard.

SPEAKER_00 (56:59):
Last night, I had a friend called me and say, my
house is possessed, or my houseis haunted.
How do they get into your housebut not into you?
Or do you believe in a hauntedhouse?

SPEAKER_02 (57:14):
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
I do more of those than people.
Oh, you do?
Interesting.
Evil acts committed in thehouse.
Oh, and then they don't leave.
Or on the property prior to yougetting to the house.
Interesting.

SPEAKER_00 (57:27):
And then you need a Catholic priest, obviously, to
exercise the house completely?

SPEAKER_02 (57:32):
That's what I would say, yes.
But I'm sure there's people whodo their own thing.
The people, oftentimes, they'llgo get the sage and burn the
sage in the house.
And then they say, that madethings worse.
Yeah, because that's not doinganything.
That's like a joke to them.
And it's almost like, just toshow you how silly that is,

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they're going to come now evenharder at you.
But yeah, horrible thingscommitted in houses.

SPEAKER_00 (57:59):
Murder, molestation, something like that.

SPEAKER_02 (58:02):
Yes, all sorts of things.
Trafficking of people.
There's a place up in Nashvillethat it was discovered.
They were having a lot ofproblems.
It was a large property.
And they did a little researchon the history.
It turns out that land is whereabout 300 people Americans were

(58:23):
scalped by Indians and killed onthe property.
So we had to go do a lot of workto get rid of all that, the
spirit of death and murder andall that.

SPEAKER_00 (58:33):
Father, do you take any, aside from what we spoke
about, do you take any specialsafeguards before doing the work
that you do?

SPEAKER_02 (58:42):
Always, yeah.
We go to confession before westep into a deliverance.
We have mass, usually set forthe victim before the rite of
exorcism.
There's a lot of preparatoryprayers before we begin.
There's...
teams of backup praying outsidethe space.
There's a team that gets prayedup in the space that's praying

(59:04):
while I'm doing the exorcism.
And then after that, it'sfinished.
Then we do, there's prayersagainst retaliation from demonic
spirits.
So there's a whole protocol,which is why we, when I hear of
Protestants trying to do thisand I ask them a few questions,
they're not doing any of thesethings.
And I go, you're kind of puttingyourself in a scary position if

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you're not protecting you andyour team.
So We want people to getcompletely free and liberated,
but we need to make sure thatwe're not putting our own people
in jeopardy in the process,because these are angry spirits.

SPEAKER_00 (59:40):
Father, I used to work in a therapeutic setting,
in a psychological therapeuticsetting, before I discovered St.
Candles, or started St.
Candles.
Do you think there's adifference between someone who's
evil and then...
I don't know how I'm trying tobasically articulate this, but I

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feel like I've worked with evilpeople that were not possessed
or had demonic attachments oroppressed or anything like that.
They were just inherently evil,and I didn't think it could be
real, but I used to work withchildren, like I said, in a
therapeutic setting, and I usedto...
Most kids, you know, badbehavior, but not bad people,

(01:00:22):
but there was a couple of...
kids that I came across likewhen another child would be sad
or hurt or upset like you couldsee like a smile coming across
their face and I was just likewhy why does this make you happy
and I used to ask them why doesthis make you happy like Tommy's
crying was it he goes it makesme feel good when I see him

(01:00:42):
crying and I used to I just feltlike there was like an evil in
him

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:47):
well there could that could have been a spirit

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:48):
spirit you think

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:49):
absolutely we also know you know

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:53):
um

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:55):
When psychologists evaluate people, the very worst
end of the spectrum are thesepeople who have no remorse.
It's almost like they have noconscience.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:06):
Exactly.
That's what it felt like.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:09):
That's a thing.
I don't know how that happens,but I would imagine if you beat
and tortured a child through itsfirst years of its life
constantly, it would create inthat child such a state of...
being torn apart emotionally onthe level of their soul, being

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rejected by the people that areactually supposed to love them,
that it would create a break intheir mind that would basically
close them down to the pointwhere they could feel nothing.
And then they're now a giantopen target for demonic activity
because they're so broken.
It's not their fault either.
That's the hardest part.

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Somebody that's been torturedlike that But these are the
people who become like homicidalmurderers.
Yeah.
And all the calling cards,torturing animals.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:00):
Yes.
And he had been torturinganimals then.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:04):
Yeah, that's all.
It's a cry for help.
But oftentimes they get thepsychological help, but they
don't get the demon problemhelp.
because demons hide under mentalillness.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:18):
Father, I was in Puerto Rico last weekend and I
heard the priest say that thepride, that pride, the sin of
pride is at the root of allother sins.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:28):
Of course.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:29):
Can you explain that?
Because I kind of had a hardtime with it because pride in
itself doesn't seem like...
that bad, but I guess it'sreally bad.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:37):
Okay.
Well, we have to differentiate.
So there's a healthy pride, likein your country, in your family,
in your accomplishments, yourkid got into the honor society.
I'm very proud of my kid.
That's not so bad.
The pride that we're talkingabout is the capital sin of
pride, which means my way isbetter than God's way.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:58):
Oh, I see.
Okay.
And the reason I choose to sin

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:01):
is because I know better.
So I'm going to do this.
I'm going to do that.
I'm going to lie because it'sgoing to be better for me.
I'm going to go have sex withthat person because it's going
to feel good for me.
All the sins are stemming fromme, me, me, me, me.
Me first, what I want.
And disregarding what's best forGod and his people.

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In that way, pride is the motherof all sins.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:26):
I feel like there's like a...
there's like a real desperationin people to want like some sort
of a spiritual connection.
And I feel like people gravitatetowards zodiac, crystals,
alchemy, goddesses.
And I feel like when you maybesay, how about Jesus?

(01:03:48):
They're like, oh, that's maybenot real, there's no proof of
it, but he's the most documentedperson, I guess, in all of
history.
Why do you think it's likepeople gravitate towards this
thing that has absolutely noresearch, it's basically a
little bit of hocus pocus, andthen the thing that's so well
documented, that's so wellstudied, that's documented even

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in other religions, people justkind of be like, okay, never
mind that one.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:14):
Being a Catholic is not easy.
if you're actually going to beCatholic, for one.
There's nothing particularlyindulgent about it that meshes
with the worldly standards thatmost people hold themselves to.
So if you ask most people, whatare your goals in this life?
They're gonna talk about thenext big home, or the next big

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purchase, or the next big car,or the next big promotion.
They're very worldly goals.
And Catholicism doesn'tnecessarily promote that sort of
thing directly.
Byproduct, yes, but notdirectly.
Directly, number one is I'mgoing to be a disciple of Jesus,

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and one of my commands I wasgiven was pick up my cross daily
and follow him.
That's not sexy, carrying yourcross.
People are like, I don't reallywant a cross, I don't think.
No, that sounds like pain andsuffering, I don't want it.
But the witchcraft is promisingme, if I do this spell, that guy
I like is gonna love me and thenI can have him.

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So it's a direct payoffimmediately coming from these
false religions, whereas thisreligion's promising eternity
with God At the end.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:30):
It's a no-brainer for me.
I just don't understand how it'snot a no-brainer for somebody
else.
No, no, but this is

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:34):
reality.
A lot of people, we've becomevery complacent and a very lazy
culture.
I mean, I have this discussionoften with, when I meet with
other priests, particularlythose who are working with the
youth, what would happen if wesuddenly were in a world war
tomorrow and they instituted thedraft?

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How would that work for thisculture we live in?

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:57):
How about this generation?

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:58):
That's what I'm talking about.
It would be 18 to 24-year-olds.
Not everybody, but this wouldnot go down the way it did in
World War I or II.
No.
People would just not show up.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:09):
Self-sacrifice versus sacrifice of others.
I mean, it's...

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:14):
No, and I'm not faulting the kids because they
were raised...
pretty much this way becausethey indulge too much in the
culture.
I'm not blaming the parents inparticular.
I really would probably blamethe priests.
We didn't speak up enough.
We didn't stand our ground andwe kind of let the world come in
too far.
What's the phrase?

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The horse is out of the barn.
It's very hard to put back in.
So what do we do now?
Well, what we're seeing is is ithink a work of the holy spirit
i see it all over the worldeverywhere i go there's these
groups of people rising upreturning to the core values of
jesus christ and it's really nothappening because of the church

(01:06:55):
the church is present to it butit's happening in just the the
spirit is moving you know i'mseeing a lot with men how
suddenly men are really engagingtheir faith in a very serious
way and All the aspects of thefaith that they find attractive.
Look, there's a rescue componentinvolved here.

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There's a protection componentinvolved here.
There's an evangelization, whichis like adventure for guys.
Go out.
Go do this.
It's exciting.
When you can take all thoseboxes in a guy in his life,
that's exciting.
You know, it's time to make ourfaith exciting because it is

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exciting.
Look at the lives of the saints.
Look at the life of theapostles.
Look at the life of the holyfamily.
It was an amazing witness to theworld of what God can do.
And he doesn't want to end withthem.
He wants to continue through us.
And the same goes for women, butI'm just speaking that I'm
seeing more than ever before allthese guys are rising up to
engage their faith, tosacrifice, to prayer, fasting,

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penances, self-imposed penances,cold showers, you know, for the
benefit of their families.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:05):
On the Sean Ryan show, you said that there was an
attack on the truth.
And I feel like on the flip sideof that, or maybe a continuation
of that is, I feel like we'relike, normalizing evil.
We have become a culture of likenormalizing bad things.
Yes, we are.
And I wanted to kind of give youa few examples and I wanted to

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get your feedback on what youwould say as a response to
these.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:32):
Sure.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:33):
So there's this girl on, I'm not allowed to say
OnlyFans, probably on Instagramor whatever, but OnlyFans.
that makes spicy content.
She's in her 20s.
She made$43 million last year,and I'm paraphrasing now.
She said, this doesn't conflictwith my Christian values, and

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God put me here, and he's veryforgiving.
So basically justifying herapproach to, I don't know, I
haven't seen her visuals, butI'm assuming they have something
to do with pornography orsomething very spicy.

UNKNOWN (01:09:10):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:10):
What would you say to that?

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:12):
Well, right away she said, with my Christian values.
We don't get to define theChristian values.
Jesus did.
So I don't know what herChristian values are, but
they're not his.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:23):
And I'm paraphrasing.
Yeah, but no, I saw the article.
So you saw it?
Yeah,

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:27):
yeah, yeah.
No, even in the pictures theyposted of her, they're very
immodest at best.
Yes.
And she's making money byexposing her body to men to make
$43 million.
She must be exposing more thanher fingernails and her toes.
Exactly.
No, I'm sorry.
The model of perfection andbeauty is the Blessed Virgin

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Mary.
You would never see her do that.
So that woman is going to have aproblem at the end of her life
when she stands before Jesus andtries to explain, I thought this
was okay.
No, it isn't.
It's not okay.
If you want to be a truedisciple, then you're going to
live the virtues that God hasgiven us, and purity and modesty

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are two of them.
The other thing that'sdisturbing about that is those
people are influencers, andthere's a bunch of tween girls
that are watching that, orpicking up that ad, not
literally going on the site, butlooking at that article and
thinking, wow,$43 million.
That's a lot of money.
And I can still be a Christian.

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He's merciful, but guess what hesaid to the woman caught in
adultery?
Your sins are forgiven, but sinno more.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:41):
Sin no more.
Interesting.
What happens, Father, if youkeep doing the same sin over and
over again, but you're trulysorry for it, and you confess?

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:54):
Yeah, well,

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:57):
again, it's a very subjective question, so it would
depend on all these factors thatgo into it, but...
if you're putting yourself inthe near occasion of sin, that
could be your problem.
So like, I can't stop drinking,but I'm going to go confess it
again this Saturday.
But you're not telling thepriest is that you work in a bar

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and every night at closing,everybody has 10 drinks and gets
bombed.
You have to remove yourself.
Remember Jesus said, if your eyecauses you sin, cut it, pull it
out.
If your hand causes you sin, cutit off.
He wasn't being literal thatway.
But what he's saying is, If thisthing is causing you to sin,
then don't go there anymore.
Stop going to the bar.

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If you have a problem withpornography, get something on
your phone which prevents youfrom...

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:44):
Like a blocker.
Put a

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:44):
blocker.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:45):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:45):
Like you have to be a little engaged in your own
participation in the grace God'sgiving you.
But there is one case I know ofthat's kind of interesting.
Okay.
A Chinese doctor back in the1800s.
His name is now St.
Mark G.
Ching Chang.
Okay.
And St.

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Mark G.
got sick and at some pointself-prescribed drugs for his
own use, like morphine-leveldrugs, and got addicted very
quickly.
and couldn't get off them.
And he kept going back toconfession saying he was
addicted.
And the priest at the timedidn't realize that addiction is

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actually a disease, not just asin.
And he banned him from thesacraments and said, you can no
longer receive communion or cometo confession until you give
this up.
And years went on and he wasaway from the sacraments all
these years and kept praying andpraying and praying.
And he finally realized, I'mjust not getting the grace that
I need.

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And so I'm gonna change the wayI pray.
Now, Lord, please make me amartyr.
That's my last chance for heavenbecause the martyrs go to
heaven.
And I'm not recommending anybodydo this at home.
You should wanna get to heaven,even if it takes martyrdom, but
if you have an addiction, seekhelp.
So there happened to be somekind of revolution in China

(01:13:10):
where they were going after theChristians and they rounded up
his whole family.
one day and his grandson said tohim, where are they taking us?
And he said to him, we're goinghome, meaning heaven, but didn't
tell the boy.
And he asked to be the last oneexecuted so he could be in the
room with his family so nobodyhad to die alone.
And he died.

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I

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:32):
read about this.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:33):
Praying prayers and Psalms.
And it was canonized.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:37):
That's very cool.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:40):
Yeah, God works through the sacraments.
with the most power, it's thefastest and most direct way to
heaven, but he can do anything.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:48):
I can't believe I'm actually saying this out loud,
but I guess there are satanicabortion clinics now opening up
around the country.
How does that happen in ourJudeo-Christian culture?
And then Cosmopolitan, which isa mainstream magazine, reported
on it like it was somethingnormal.

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This is what we're talkingabout.
Is this like...
Opposite day?
How is this allowed?

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:18):
Well, it goes back to influence.
And Satan has influence in allof the industries that control
information.
Television, Hollywood, news,Madison Avenue.
the fashion world, all of it.
And people don't like hearingthat because they feel like,
well, I can still like this orthat, and it's fine.

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Yeah, but I'm not saying it'severything.
But primarily, his message isgoing out through these various
forms, and it has influence.
And so we've become a culturethat just coexists with
everything.
Maybe you're not a Satanist, butlet the Satanist be.
Well, I'm sorry, but theSatanists are bringing evil into

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the world that are affectingeverybody.
So we really can't just tolerateeverything.
They're murdering babies.
We have to tolerate that?
I don't understand how that'sokay.
What if it was one-year-olds?
Would we tolerate that?
What if that's the next step?
You can murder everybody up tothe age of one.
Oh, I guess it's okay.
Everybody wants it.
No, enough is enough.

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So the reason they do this isbecause they're offering those
babies to the devil for power.
So they're doing human sacrificeunder the guise of abortion, and
they do it to gain more power.
This is how it's been going onsince back the days of Malik.
I wish people had eyes to see,but...
The way we fight against this,as Paul says, our battle is not

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against flesh and blood, butagainst powers and
principalities.
We press into God and the morewe conform ourselves to Jesus
Christ, the more power will flowthrough us from him into the
world.
And it's through that way thatwe can crush the devil.
Pray your rosaries as a family.
Go to church and engage in themass.

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Don't just sit theredaydreaming.
Engage in the mass.
And Like I said, you know, thepower of God is infinite.
He started this church with 12guys.
And they were not particularlyhigh-end overachievers.
You know, they were kind of, asmy former spiritual director,

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Father Grishel, says, a bunch ofsweaty fishermen.
This started the church.
But they conformed themselves toJesus.
They listened and learned fromhim.
And when he ascended to theFather, they went out and they
did their work.
And now we have a billion and ahalf Catholics on the planet.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:45):
Father, can you be politically pro-choice,
personally pro-life, and stillconsider yourself a Catholic?

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:55):
You can consider yourself a Catholic.
You can consider a lot ofthings.
I don't know how you can rectifythat.
Because once you don't havelife, you can't choose all these
other things that are on themenu.
Like...
Whatever, pick anything.
I can't choose to be a teacheror a doctor.
I don't get to choose to go toschool.

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I don't get to choose to have afamily when I grow up.
How can that?
They say that there shouldn't beone issue that's the deciding
issue.
Life is the deciding issue.
If you don't have life, you havenothing.
No options left.
And you know, God said, I placebefore you the blessing and the
curse.

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Life and death, choose life.
It came out of God's own mouth.
To Moses, to the people.
So this, he is a God of life.
He's the one who made life.
When people say it's apolitical, that's political,
it's not religious, that's alie.
Life is not a political thing.
Life is a God thing.

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He gives life, not politicians.
And nobody should be able to saywho gets to have life and who
doesn't.
Nobody.
Listen, if you've put yourselfin a situation where you are now
holding a baby in your womb,then that baby has a right to at

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least get everything it needs toget out of the womb properly.
Even if you were forced in arape or something, why should
the child suffer?
I know it might be a hard, longnine months, and most people
cannot understand that, butthere were worse things
happening than having a baby inyour womb for nine months.
And actually, a lot of womenadmit after the fact, once they

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have the abortion, the trauma ofthat knowing is devastating.
And what the devil does is,after you have the abortion,
which he's been coaxing youinto, he turns on you and says,
you killed your baby.
And he comes at you every daywith those words, you killed
your baby.
And a lot of women go into majoraddiction because of that.

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because they can't, how can theyrectify that?
So if you're listening andthat's you, the Lord does want
you to be set free from thatsin.
You just go to confession, askfor God's mercy, and you will be
forgiven, and that'll be thebeginning of your restoration
and your peace.
You don't have to live carryingall that guilt around.

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Everybody is entitled to God'smercy and peace, including you.
people who've had abortions.

SPEAKER_00 (01:19:27):
Father, I feel like our religion, Catholicism, is
under attack right now.
Do you feel the same?

SPEAKER_02 (01:19:34):
Always has been.

SPEAKER_00 (01:19:35):
Always has been?

SPEAKER_02 (01:19:36):
From the beginning.

SPEAKER_00 (01:19:37):
OK, I'm going to give you some examples that I
felt like, well, it is underattack.
And I wanted to get your kind ofresponse and opinion to these
examples.
Vanity Fair just wrote anarticle called Bad Faith.
Did you read it?
It's basically, the wholepremise of the article is
basically these cancelled celebslike Candace Owens and a few

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others that have done reallyegregious things have turned to
Catholicism basically to justifytheir discriminatory statements
or beliefs.
And I felt like calling thearticle bad faith and just
attacking the religion like thatwas just so uncalled for.

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And then there were some, Iguess the football player made
some comment.
There was a football player thatmade some comments about women.

SPEAKER_02 (01:20:31):
Harrison

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:33):
Buckner?
Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 (01:20:34):
Yes, he was speaking to a very orthodox, conservative
Catholic crowd.
and said, basically he was justsaying, for many of you, the
greatest moment of your lifewill be the day you get married
and the day you have kids.
And when I speak to mostmothers, they would say their
kids are the greatestachievement of their life.

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So he wasn't off base.
And if you don't like what hesaid, move on.

SPEAKER_01 (01:21:00):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 (01:21:01):
This is America.
You get to express your opinion.
You don't have to listen to it,but then why do you even write?
You retweet it and write aboutit.
Why?
Why are you making a big thingout of somebody else's opinion
when I hear opinions all overthe place on the left that are
grossly attacking life, gender,which is God-given, and all

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sorts of other things.
And that just is completelyokay.
I'll bring it up in response tothis argument, but if I don't
like what you have to say andyou're not part of my flock,
I'll pray for you.
But I'm moving on.
I have other people I need tominister to.
And I don't understand whysomebody, if you hate a certain
thing, stop watching it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:21:44):
Exactly.
And by the way, it's okay towant to be a wife and a mother.
Of course.
Even if you go to Harvard orwhatever, or you become an
attorney, like if that's yourgoal in life, there's nothing
wrong with that.
I find it actually veryhonorable.

SPEAKER_01 (01:21:58):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:21:59):
So yeah, I found that that was like pretty
pathetic attempt of belittlingour religion, calling the
article bad faith, and thenmaking it seem like...
It's basically the new rehab.
You know, when like celebritiesused to do something bad, they
would check into rehab.
Now it's under the guise ofCatholicism.

SPEAKER_02 (01:22:18):
Well, they're making a lot of broad judgments there
in understanding what's going onin the mind and heart of these
people.
I mean, how do they know?
Most people don't understandtheir own heart, let alone
somebody else's.
So, you know, stop.
It's virtue signaling.
I'm going to say this, but infact, I'm trying to belittle

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these people in the process.
There's nothing healthy there.
If that's how you want to sellmagazines, good luck.
Your magazines are basicallydying off.

SPEAKER_01 (01:22:46):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 (01:22:47):
Number one book selling right now in the world,
I believe, is the Bible, up 22%over last year.
Number one show being broadcaston television is The Chosen.
So both are about Jesus.
Get on board, people, becausethis is the train that's
happening right now.

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:05):
I saw an instance where they were mocking the
Eucharist, a Michiganpolitician.
She was feeding a Dorito.
You saw this?

SPEAKER_02 (01:23:12):
Yeah, the governor.

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:13):
Yeah, the governor of Michigan.
Whitmer.
Yeah, I found that veryoffensive.
I don't know why I'm so offendedby it, but I am.
Why do you find it offensive?

SPEAKER_02 (01:23:23):
This is the core of our beliefs about our faith.
This is Jesus incarnate, body,blood, soul, divinity in the
Eucharist.
Please don't mock it by feedingsomebody a Dorito chip.

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:33):
Exactly.
There's like a bit of selectiverage going on in this country
where it's like some things youcan be angry about, but the
rules don't like apply to somepeople and they apply to others.
So if your rage is the same asmine, then thumbs up.
But if you're angry, If you lookdifferent than I do, then it

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doesn't apply.
Or if you think differently thanI do, it doesn't apply to you.
And it just kind of bothers me.
I feel like we're going from amulticultural society to a mono
society, you know?

SPEAKER_02 (01:24:07):
Yeah, well, the way that my life works is I'm only
interested in pleasing God.
And at the end of the day, I putmy head down on my pillow and I
feel like today was a good day.
I feel like I did a lot of goodwork for the Lord.
I don't care what everybody elsehas to say or think about it.
It doesn't matter to me.
I think it's a good way to livebecause there's too many voices

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that are just shouting at youand you make one statement and
all the thumbs go out with thetext.
I don't really care what youhave to say.
I care about your soul, but youropinion means nothing to me.
Because if your opinion opposeshis opinion, I don't want your
opinion.

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:47):
You can

SPEAKER_02 (01:24:48):
state it, but I'm not buying it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:50):
You're very brave also because of what you've
dedicated your life to, which isGod.
But a lot of people are scaredto be canceled, so they just
kind of keep quiet, you know?

SPEAKER_02 (01:24:59):
I'm afraid of being canceled out of heaven.
That's the only cancellation I'mworried about.
And I think if people wouldfocus on that being canceled,
the whole world could betransformed.
Love God, love your neighbor.

SPEAKER_00 (01:25:13):
Fortunately for me, it's like not one of the fears I
have.
I'm afraid of flying, but notgetting canceled.

SPEAKER_02 (01:25:19):
You know, it's funny you say that because I'm, I
figured out what I'm really, Iused to think I was afraid of
flying.
I'm not afraid of flying.
I'm afraid of flying over largebodies of water.

SPEAKER_00 (01:25:28):
Me too.
And I'm afraid of turbulence.

SPEAKER_02 (01:25:29):
Once you go off Nova Scotia, going towards Europe, I
am watching that plane everyfive seconds.
Me too, me too.
Until it gets over the UnitedKingdom and then I'm like, okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:25:39):
As if the result's going to be different.
Like if I

SPEAKER_02 (01:25:41):
crash over land, maybe I'm going to live.
My fear is I'll crash in theocean and live and then be eaten
by sharks.
That's the fear.

SPEAKER_00 (01:25:50):
You're not scared of the devil.
You're not scared of demons.
Sharks.
But you're scared of sharks.
Okay, makes a lot of sense.

SPEAKER_02 (01:25:55):
Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_00 (01:25:56):
I'm in the mix, I guess.
I'm adjacent to like a celebritylifestyle.
I'm not in it, but I'm like veryclose to it, like right next to
it.
So, and I'm pretty vocal aboutmy Catholicism and my beliefs
and like I said, pretty vocalabout it and I get challenged
all the time.
And a few things I getchallenged on all the time are

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why Catholics pray to saints,because they always say, you're
worshiping false idols.
I got this.
I'm like, we're not praying tosaints.
We're asking them to intercedeon behalf of us.
We're asking them to pray forus, just like you would ask
someone to pray for you.
And then I also, you have amiddleman analogy, which the
priest is the middleman.
I always say, think of it, maybeI'm wrong in this, and correct

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me if I'm wrong.
I always say, Think of like thesaints and Jesus and Mary as
like a corporation.
We have the CEO up top, which isJesus God.
Then you have VP, which is Mary.
And then I look at the saints askind of like middlemen.
I'm like, that's how I view it.
The second thing I getchallenged on all the time is

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abortion, to the point where onewoman told me that abortion was
in the Bible, and I said, no,it's not.
Where?
She actually sent me thepassage, but I think she took it
out of context, and it wasprobably, if I have to look
back, some woman who wasprobably bleeding out to death
or something.
But I said that, like, I tellher, like, to me, life starts at

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conception.
Those two things I have undercontrol.
But the one thing that I alwaysget stumped on and I wanted to
ask you about is you said inyour interview with Sean Ryan
that you were molested by aCatholic priest.
And that's one of the thingsthat come up for me all the
time.
How about the priest?
They're always getting caughtmolesting children.

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And I never really know how toanswer people.

SPEAKER_02 (01:27:47):
It's a terrible crime.

SPEAKER_00 (01:27:48):
It's a terrible crime, but how did it not
destroy you to the point whereyou not only didn't abandon your
religion permanently, but youcame full circle and embraced
it?
Well,

SPEAKER_02 (01:27:57):
that is just the work of God.
I did leave for 22 years, sothere was an impact there.
But truth be known, that's avery small percentage of the
priest population, like lessthan 2%.
When you look at public schoolteachers, it's like five times
that.
California schools, through theroof.

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Go look at the studies.
They're published.
I like this.
They're never reported on.
They're never reported on.
And I think the Chicago schooldistrict was even worse,
something like 30-somethingpercent.
So find those.
And then to ask me, Do you stillsend your kids to school?
You sure do.

SPEAKER_01 (01:28:34):
You

SPEAKER_02 (01:28:34):
didn't leave the school system, but you left the
church.
So maybe you took thatseriously, or maybe it was just
a cop-out that you tookadvantage of.
I don't know.
But the truth of the matter is,Jesus is fully present in his
church.
And he said, do this in memoryof me when he instituted the
mass at the Last Supper.
That's what he asked us to do.

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That's the way he wants to beworshiped and adored and
thanked.
And so pray for those priests.
They're going to need a lot ofprayers to get their life back
in order and get to heaven.
But don't hurt yourself byremoving yourself from the
sacraments in the process.
It really is.
It's not a rational thing to do.

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When Jesus was speaking to hisfriends, one of the most famous
quotes he said was, I have comethat you may have life and have
it to the fullest.
Period.
It came out of his own lips.
So then where do you get offkilling people before they even
get a chance?
There's no rational way to putthese two things together, and

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yet people still try.
What it boils down, I just sawabout a month ago, there were
many women who were having,being sterilized, knowing that
Trump is coming into office,saying that I can't risk getting
pregnant, so I will just have mywhole uterus removed.

SPEAKER_00 (01:30:04):
Sounds logical.

SPEAKER_02 (01:30:05):
It makes no sense.
It makes no sense.
Like, there is somewhat of atruth to this derangement
syndrome.
But I would say it's more of ademonic element of all sorts of
lies and spirits of confusionand all things like that.
But not everything is the devil.
Sometimes people just givethemselves over to these weird
ways of thinking and think thisis a good thing.

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I don't know.
But I'll tell you, there is noway we can reconcile...
God and killing anybody ofinnocence.
And the most innocent, as Imentioned before, were the
children in the womb.
They've done nothing to anybody.
So I feel like this has beenbeat to death.
There's nothing left to say.

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You can keep your opinion likeyou said before, but the truth
of the matter is you can't thenstand before God at the end of
your life and say, I reallythought you were okay with
abortion.
because he's going to give you abig heads up.
No, I made that person.
I made them.
I gave them life, and you tookit.

SPEAKER_00 (01:31:09):
Right.

SPEAKER_02 (01:31:10):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:31:10):
Interesting.
Yeah, like I said, two of thethree that I get challenged on
all the time, I haven't covered,but the third one I get stumped
on is, I wanted to ask you backwith the exorcism discussions,
do the saints come to yourexorcisms and do?
Yes.
Which ones?

SPEAKER_02 (01:31:31):
Again, it depends on who's being exercised that day,
but you know, there's a fewthat, Our Lady seems to show up
at all of them, at least theones I've done.
She's very powerful.
They can't be in her presence.
They almost immediately flee orare under tremendous pain.
Padre Pio has been another one.
St.
John Paul II, for me.

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There's one, one of the peopleon the team brought a relic of
St.
Gemma.
And we felt like her presencewas at that particular
deliverance session.
So it really depends.
And of course

SPEAKER_00 (01:32:08):
you have- I heard Maria Goretti comes to some too.

SPEAKER_02 (01:32:11):
I wouldn't doubt it.
I think they all can play a rolebecause God likes his whole
family engaged in this processof healing and liberating his
people.
But the angels too have a hugerole, you know, particularly
Michael.

SPEAKER_00 (01:32:24):
Yeah, sure.
Archangels.

SPEAKER_02 (01:32:25):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:32:27):
One thing I noticed, Father, is I live in Rome part
of the year, and a lot ofRomans, even though Rome is a
Catholic playground, literallythere's a relic here, there's a
church here, the Vatican, St.
Peter's Basilica, I find a lotof Romans are not religious or
practicing Catholics.
Why do you think?

SPEAKER_02 (01:32:46):
You know, my own personal opinion is that The
birthplace of the church and itsthings is going to be a target
for the enemy.
And I hate to keep going back tothe enemy, but the truth of the
matter is this.
Because Rome is theheadquarters, that's going to
have the biggest target on itsback.

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And I think there's a lot ofdemonic influence in Rome, even
in the church.
You're seeing Israel in constantturmoil.
constant ever since it was givenback its land you know last
century uh they don't like thatplace because that's where he
was born and lived and died sothat's always under attack and

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we know armageddon is going tobe in the the place of megiddo
which is in israel so the finalconflict the final battle will
be right there uh but you lookat other things like

SPEAKER_03 (01:33:42):
freedom

SPEAKER_02 (01:33:45):
and all America basically born out of New
England.
Boston was a big hub for thechurch for many years.
And that's where the big attackcame with the pedophile priests.
These things are notcoincidental.
There's always, if you look deepenough, there's gonna be a
correlation.
Why there?

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Why did that happen there?
And I think as you look at a lotof the things that happen,
particularly when we have theeyes of the next life to look
back on things that occurred,we're gonna see that there
really were no coincidences atall, that everything was
orchestrated.
Like I said, these spirits cansee things we can't see.
They target things for a reasonthat's not random.

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There's nothing random about anangelic creature, even when it's
fallen.

SPEAKER_03 (01:34:32):
Interesting.

SPEAKER_02 (01:34:33):
They take marching orders from their leader.
It's not just, go out and findsomebody to harass today.
No, they're very directed.

SPEAKER_00 (01:34:41):
I'm going to ask you a really super basic question
that I think people want theanswers to.
I asked another priest, and Ithink I know the answer, but I
wanted to get your take on it.
If God is so powerful and can doanything...
why does he allow bad things tohappen to like children like sex
trafficking or like tortured andkilled like why doesn't he

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intercede for something likethat

SPEAKER_02 (01:35:10):
well the simple answer is free will which he
abides by his own laws so whenhe instituted his divine
providence over all of creation,which would include things like
gravity.
So when you drop something, itfalls to the floor because he
made gravity part of the divineprovidence that runs this world.
But so too in the spiritualrealm, but also the most

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important one would be freewill.
So when he created the universeand everything in it, everything
he created really for the stagewhere man could meet God.
And then he created his crownjewels of creation, which was
man, Adam and Eve.
And they were given dominionover everything.
Everything was given to them.

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But they were made for him, forGod.
And he said, this is the onething, do not touch, is the tree
in the center of the garden, thetree of the knowledge of good
and evil.
Because...
this tree will be the way that,he didn't say this, I'm
paraphrasing the reason for it,but it was basically, I have to
have something that you can't doin order to show me that you

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love me by obeying me.
That was it.
Everything else was provided.
They didn't have to work.
They didn't have to cultivatefood.
It was all just naturallyproviding.
But the serpent knew this, andso he tricks Eve, who tricked
Adam, or got Adam's buy-in totake the fruit.
And then that's the first sinbecause that was the one thing

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that they had to do to provethat they were going to be
obedient to God.
And so we have the same abilityto choose the good or to choose
the evil.
When we choose the good, we'reacting out of obedience and love
of God.
When we choose the evil, we'regoing in disobedience to God.
And this is the only way we canprove we actually love him.

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You know, it's like kids withparents, you know, please don't
Touch that because that's notgoing to be good for you.
The kid touches it anyway andburns his hand on the stove.
The rules were given to us notto infringe on our freedom, but
to give us the ability to growhigher in love, to be living in
the divine life of God.

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So he has to honor this now thatthis is the way things have been
set up.
And the more that people deviatefrom God's plan, the more evil
is committed and the morehorrible things happen to
people, including childtrafficking.
Does he want that?
Of course not.
He's not choosing for that tohappen.
He permits people to choose evilbecause he gave them free will.
But there will be a divinejustice for that.

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And those children that suffer,Lord knows, I'm sure there's a
special place in heaven forthem.

SPEAKER_01 (01:37:47):
And I'm

SPEAKER_02 (01:37:47):
sure there are angels that do things for them
that we don't know about andcalm their nerves and give them
some sort of interior peace orsomething.
I don't know how it works, butI'm pretty sure that he's moving
in ways that he can and stillallow free will.
Then there are people like,given the example, Josephine

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Bikita.
In the Sudan in the 1800s, whenshe was seven years old, she was
captured by slave traders anddragged into slavery, and her
first torture was walking acrossthe 600-mile desert barefoot in
the blazing heat with the sandburning her feet.

(01:38:30):
She was sold into differenthouses of people who were not
Christian who horribly torturedher.
One family, this is a seven yearold, broke so many bones she
couldn't move for a month.
Another family carved 150 deepcarvings into her flesh and then
poured salt in them just forextra added pain.

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This went on for years.
Finally, she's traded to aCatholic family and they use her
as a nanny and take her to Italyto watch the kids while they're
going to school classes inItaly, where she meets a bunch
of nuns and the nuns tell herabout Jesus.
And she's finally told the truthabout who God really is.
And she was so amazed when shelearned that there is a God that

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he would suffer and die so thatwe could be free.
All she knew was pain andsuffering and slavery.
So when she heard this, shesaid, I have to be part of this
God's life.
I want to be part of thisreligion.
How do I do it?
And so she became, got baptized.
The nuns investigated herslavery, realized that she was

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taken a slave after slavery wasrepealed.
So she was a free woman.
She joined the order and sheworked the rest of her life as a
nun in a convent with a smileear to ear.
And this is her famous line.
She said, I was created by loveand love sustains me and has
sustained me.
And love awaits my return.

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And therefore, I'm good.
No matter what's happening to mehere, I'm good.
Because this God died so I couldbe with him in heaven.
And so her eye was always on theprize of heaven from the day she
got baptized.
And she even said, I thank Godfor the men who kidnapped me.
Because had I not beenkidnapped, I would have never

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met Jesus.

SPEAKER_00 (01:40:17):
Wow.

SPEAKER_02 (01:40:18):
Wow.

SPEAKER_00 (01:40:18):
That's a big wow.

SPEAKER_02 (01:40:19):
Yeah.
tremendous, right?
But God can bring good out ofanything.

SPEAKER_00 (01:40:25):
Yeah, I think so too.
Father, thank you so much forspeaking with us.
I know most people kind of lookto you as an exorcist resource
or an exorcism resource, but Ifeel like you have so much more
rich knowledge to kind of sharewith the world.
Well, thank you.
It was a pleasure

SPEAKER_02 (01:40:42):
to be here.
Yeah, I can get boxed into thatsection on deliverance and
exorcism because there's not alot of exorcists out there, even
fewer that talk publicly aboutthe whole demonic world.
But the truth is, God is so muchbigger than the devil and all of
his minions.
God made you because he lovesyou.

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If you're watching this, knowthat.
He made you out of love for you.
Look at Jesus on the cross.
His arms are wide open waitingto grab you and take you back
into his embrace.
So if you've been away for awhile or maybe you never even
had interest in God, make todaythe day to get on your knees and
say, if you exist, Lord, I needto know the truth.
Please speak to my heart.

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Forgive me of my sins and leadme on the path back to you.
And he'll do it because he wantsyou back more than you do.