Cashing out and Selling

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
welcome everyone to another episode of the big
brothers of destruction podcast.
Guys, it's your whoa.
Excuse me, excuse me, I almostdid it.
It's the masako it's your boy.
Swag switch in the building hereand boy do we have a crazy week
of wrestling to talk about.

(00:30):
But before we kind of get intoall that, I just want to give
you guys the idea of the topic.
Today episode is cashing outand selling.
See, swag switcher at the lastepisode wanted to kind of bring
up a topic of selling andwrestling and how selling is not
as important as it used to beanymore and the frustrations

(00:52):
behind it.
But also, since it kind offeeds onto the catching or the
money in the bank stipulation,that was also part of it as well
.
So it's kind of that nicelittle balance you got cash and
out, you got selling.
So as we kind of look into thecrazy wild week of wrestling,
let's kind of get into it realquick.

(01:13):
Let's talk about money in thebank.
Okay, money in the bank, manswag, what were your thoughts
about it?
Give it to me pause.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
So so, okay, so real quick, because I do want to get
into the Money in the Bank,because Money in the Bank, for
all intents and purposes, is themain thing that all the shows
have been leading up to, notincluding TNA, not TNA, not
including NXT.

(01:42):
However, nxt was its own can ofworms and.
TNA as well.
Like I messed up and I did notwatch their pay per view, so I
can't give you the deets on that.
So I actually I have no ideawhat has happened with the pay
per view yet because Elijahslash Elias, uh was supposed to

(02:07):
be fighting Swerve for the titleand because I guess I'm the
only person that watches TNAliterally no one has informed me
and I also have not beenlooking at the social medias to
see who has won that.
So literally, after thispodcast, I'm probably going to
actually watch that pay-per-view, because I think that

(02:29):
pay-per-view was probably betterthan what Money?
in the Bank was no, it wasFriday.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
I thought it was the last week.
I remember there was apay-per-view that happened not
too long ago, but before the onethat happened on Friday.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Wow, so they did.
Listen, happened not too longago, but before the one that
happened on Friday.
But wow, you also said it was.
Oh listen, tna and NXT.
This week took the cake for meas far as keeping me interested
in anything that's been going onin wrestling, because all I'm

(03:03):
going to say about AEW is thatthey dropped the ball this week
and it was boring as fuck.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
AEW was boring as it was four hours long, yeah bro,
listen four hours long.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
There is so many things they could have done in
four hours to progress.
You realize their WrestleManiais next month.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Oh no, we, we totally know, I totally get it.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
I'm not saying WrestleMania is next month and
what they do their first fourhour special have a bunch of
good, good but meaninglessmatches Toni Storm trying to
kiss old girl in the ring,Mercedes out there eating this
dry-ass steak that she actuallynever took a bite of, Like it

(04:03):
was four hours that I'm notgoing to get back.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Waste of time.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Luckily for me, while that four hours was happening
on, like the last two and a halfhours, I started streaming.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Oh yeah, I did notice you were streaming for the last
two recent streams and stuff.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, I'm trying to get back into the streaming
thing again.
I miss doing it and I reallylike it.
So, for those who are watching,go to Twitch Swag Switcher is
the name, and I be playingdifferent games.
Currently I'm playing the gameKenshi Little plug there, but
it's like so that's all.
I'm not even going to dwell onAEW.

(04:40):
They didn't earn it this week.
So with this to start at thetop, r-truth okay, the world.
This week I have never seensuch a and I don't think anyone

(05:02):
has ever seen such an outcry fora wrestler than they have for
our truth, this week.
You would have thought the mandied literally, though literally
it was like you would havethought our truth passed away.
Like I scroll on instagram andlike, will you remember wings of

(05:25):
an angel?
Like I'm like what is happening?
What is?
What are these ovos right nowfor our truth?

Speaker 1 (05:35):
it's, it was real bad .

Speaker 2 (05:36):
It's real bad.
I'm listen you our truth beingreleased and there's a reason
why I'm throwing the quotationson it R-Truth being released
this week.
Actually, no, it was, was itthis week?

Speaker 1 (05:51):
It was, yeah, it was literally, it was last Sunday.
Yeah, last Sunday.
Yeah, it was last Sunday.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
So it was like R-Truth being released last
Sunday, right, it almost feltlike when CM Punk got fired and
released, where there's thingshappening in the middle of the
women's match.
We want R-Truth.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
CM Punk, cm Punk.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yeah, literally.
Cm Punk came out to the ring,was giving a promo and he got
R-Truth instead, which is crazy.
Okay, absolute bonkers, allright.
And then fast forward to thepay-per-view and probably one of

(06:39):
the very, very few cool thingsabout Money in the bank R-Truth
coming out there and interfering, costing John Cena and them the
match in a very spectacular way, and I'm hearing and I'm seeing
buzz around the internet sayingthat, like him coming back, he

(07:02):
has changed his name fromR-Truth to Ron.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Killings and so.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
I'm just like, hmm, but like, the only thing that
did kind of take me out of it alittle bit was at the press
conference when someone askedthat question about like hey, so
like, was this a work?
And I'm just all like, come on,guys, just let it, let it be
like, no, they will not, I don't, I like, I don't want to think

(07:32):
about whether if it's a work ornot, like, because it was
actually a very pleasantsurprise.
And, of course, triple h, hewas just like did we entertain
you?
Did we like are you along forthe ride?

(07:53):
Okay, then I was just likeTripp, don't do that.
Don't do that, bro.
No, let me be that kid again.
Let me just see this for theface value of what it is.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Did we entertain?

Speaker 2 (08:08):
but let me see it for the face value of what it is.
However, looking at it from theface value, that was kind of
crazy.
No, when it happened I'mwatching the show.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
I'm watching the show with my wife and you know she's
laying up on me, she's on herphone, not even paying any mind,
you know.
And so I remember I sawsomebody in the audience come
out and tackle truth.
So I was like who the fuck isthat?
And I was like no, there yo,it's truth.

(08:43):
What the.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
By the way, I just want, like your wife, hearing
and seeing her reactions towrestling is so pure.
Yes, it's so pure because,unlike us, she has not been
muddied and de-cleaned of themagic that is wrestling.

(09:13):
We know how to put the goggleson and be all like all right,
let's watch this because this isall real.
But at the back of our minds,we also know that it's a work
when watching them see it andtheir reactions is like their

(09:36):
reactions are so pure, almost asif they're watching it as it is
real kind of thing.
It's just like this is causeone of the clips that you sent
me.
I don't know what was going on,but I could hear your wife in
the background like popping oversomething that was happening.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, we were talking aboutsomething that was going on
during the pay review and yes,oh it was Lyra, it was Lyra, it
was the Lyra match, becauseyou're really going in.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
I was all like and so , since we brought that out,
talking about the pay-per-viewhere, number one, I know how you
feel about it, but I hate it.
I.
I did not.

(10:25):
I don't need Becky Lynch withthe Intercontinental title, I
can understand.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
I understand where you're coming from.
I understand it.
My issue was it was like okayif they would have gave Becky
maybe a couple of wins everyonce in a while, like the first
one she lost, the second onemaybe she won by technicality,
like a false finish or somethinglike that, and then the last
one for the title was the onethat solidified and ended.

(10:56):
I would have been okay withValkyrie winning, but I was like
three wins straight,technically clean but not really
clean, like it just reallydiminishes to me her character,
and so I was just like how?

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Becky Lynch is at a level where she can't be
diminished Like she don't needit, like it's hindsight 2020.
No, you're right, she doesn'tneed it.
Like in hindsight, she doesn'tneed the belt.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
No, you're right, she doesn't need the belt.
I just felt like she at leastneeded the win.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Like I still beg to differ, in the sense where I'm
just like, especially with thefact of like us trying to build
Lyra right now.
Now, once again, when I put theHeinz, oh, my little message
stick, when I put my promoterglasses on and take my heart out

(11:58):
of it, it's like I guess itdoes business, because now that
she has the title, now Lyra hasto chase her for it and you know
, babyface chase for the bell,blah, blah, blah, all this other
stuff.
I'm like, okay, sure, butbecause I also know where this
is probably going to go, becauseLyra well, see, that's the

(12:22):
thing and this also goes into itthere is no need for a rubber
match.
You're pretty familiar withfighting games, yeah, and when
you're playing with the normalsettings kind of thing not so
much the tournament settings,but when you're playing normal
settings, if you win two matchesin a row, that's it, you're

(12:47):
done.
Hell, sometimes, if you changethe settings a little bit, you
win two matches, because I knowsometimes they have the you have
to win three times or whatever,but it's like she's won twice.
So she's really already beatenBecky Lynch.
Okay, like their squabble isdone, but now Becky Lynch has

(13:13):
gotten this one up on her, butit doesn't make Becky Lynch
better than her right now,because Becky Lynch still lost
twice as opposed to now gettingthis one.
But I'm just like I she doesn'tneed it twice as opposed to now
getting this one, I'm just like.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
She doesn't need it.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
I don't need her with this belt.
It's not like you're going to,they're not going to.
I don't think Becky Lynch,having the belt does anything
for the title.
It does as we're saying.
Becky Lynch doesn't need itbecause it'd be like if Roman

(13:50):
Reigns came back and decided tobecome the United States
champion.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Yeah, why that is completely valid.
That is absolutely validBecause when you put in that
sense of like you've technicallyalready have won multiple
heavyweight championships, likeyou doing, this doesn't make

(14:15):
sense, like it doesn't validatewhat you're trying to do.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
But, alas, that's actually kind of a funny pun,
because Becky Lynch used to bethe last kicker.
But um, but uh, but yeah, I,I'm just, I'm just upset, I'm
butthurt, I guess, because screwBecky, I don't care screw Becky

(14:41):
is crazy that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
I said I wouldn't say screw her.
I mean I just I again I didn'tfeel like she needed the title,
but I feel like what they'retrying to do is still elevate
Valkyria, because they'realready saying that she's going
to get another match with heragainst her from the outcome of
the match and they're going tonext pay-per-view, go against
her for the title again and thenBecky will lose, giving

(15:08):
Valkyria a new reign and it'skind of like refreshing her with
the belt.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Somebody said maybe but there's a part of me that
feels that what's going to endup happening because what you
said is what I wish would happenwhat I think is going to happen
is becky lynch is going to havethis belt and then valkyria is
going to fight and she's goingto lose again for the title.

(15:37):
And when she loses again forthe title, she's going to go to
the back of the line and andthen becky lynch is just gonna
have the title and she's goingto do the thing that all the
title holders are doing nowadays, because that's just because
that's like the famous thing todo, which is, you know, it's

(16:00):
like we, once you become achampion, it's like you become a
part-time.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
A champion, yeah, you become a champion it's like you
become a part-timer orsomething.
A champion you become achampion.
You don't show up every weekwith the title.
That's literally why they hadto make two belts.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
But even then, it's like everyone's a part-timer
right now.
Let me talk about this wholething with the belts and
everything.
I just want you to take a lookat money in the bank.
Okay, yeah, and how?
To me, I feel, money in a bankwas trash, which is actually the
reason why I have not actuallyactively watched it.

(16:34):
So I, me, and my roommate whois also a wrestler, ray zion, we
had a conversation talkingabout Money in the Bank and
there were just and justpointing out some of the points
about Money in the Bank.
Notice how, in Money in theBank number one, there were,

(16:56):
aside from that,intercontinental title match,
and I think didn't they makeanother Intercontinental title
match?
Yeah, they made bothIntercontinental titles they
just threw Dom in there at thelast minute because they
realized that money and bank wasonly four matches yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
No, they threw that in there because of the
connection to world.
I see why they did it.
It's so that way people have togo back and watch worlds
collide and see what was theconfrontation that made him say
like yo, I need to have thismatch because some people didn't
know about Worlds Collide, somepeople don't care about Worlds
Collide.
Those are those Like, if younotice, when you watch Worlds

(17:33):
Collide, a lot of everything wasin Spanish, as it should have
been.
Like the ring announcer spokeonly in Spanish and it would
translate in English what theywere saying.
So when they would announcesomebody who is an American,
they'll say everything inSpanish and then you will
obviously identify.
They say something likeCanadian, american, et cetera,

(17:56):
but they did everything inSpanish.
Promos were cut in Spanish,except what's this faction?
El Fantasmo?
They spoke it in English butthey finished it in Spanish.
So it's like they try to keepit as rooted to as much Mexican
luchador as possible.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
I mean because it is also the promotion.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Yeah, so to have Dom on there.
He was in the crowd, he had thesituation Octagon, which
confused me for a second Causeit's literally Pentagon's mask.
It's literally and and so I waslike, does Pentagon have a son?
Cause I know he has a daughterwho he's wrestled with before
and I'm like, is this a son?

(18:38):
And no, this is octagon.
Okay, and I know there'sobviously an octagon.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Okay, and I know there's obviously an octagon.
I remember seeing octagon,pentagon and hectagon junior.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
Uh yeah, they have a whole yeah, they have a whole
thing penta octa hector, yeah,like wow, yeah, they have a
whole thing, the whole thing.
The whole reason why penta evenuses zero fear is because the
curse of pentagon um, which Idon't know if you've seen that
in the things they were tryingto tell about his story or
whatever.
But uh, there was literally acurse.
They would.
They would kind of say on thepentagon character that I think

(19:17):
the last one died right orsomething bad really happened to
him.
And then he took the mantle ofjunior and they were like, oh,
bad things are supposed tohappen to this guy because he
took the mantle of junior.
And they were like, oh, badthings are supposed to happen to
this guy because he's a heel,he's evil, whatever.
So he put up the zero fearsbecause when he started going
out into different territories,different lands, they were like,
look, bad things are gonnahappen to you.

(19:37):
He says I don't give a fuck,I'm gonna do it with zero fear,
and that's where the monikerzero fear came from.
But that's besides the point.
Going back into everything else, that's what I feel like they
put that in there for Dom to goout there and do what he did,
and so that way people can haveeyes on World's End now and be
like yo if they didn't watch itnow, if you want to figure out

(20:00):
why that happened.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
you go back to see it , okay, which that's fair, but I
mean they also had that tie-inbecause of Stephanie Fuck here.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yeah, she had three matches, that fucking weekend.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yeah, so she was pulling triple duty Triple time
yeah.
Which I think Penta actuallywas pulling double duty he
pulled double too, yeah.
Not.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Phoenix he only had one match.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
Yeah, and so it was like, but like when I look at
money in the bank, like before Iwatched it and the reasons why
I didn't watch it is because Ihad a conversation once again
with the you know, my rent, myroommate wrestler, and we was
kind of sort of like giving ouras we call our disc at Lariat
when it comes to how thispay-per-view was going to work

(20:47):
out.
Now I originally was all likegive the money in the bank to
Stephanie and then as soon asshe gets it, she cashes that
bitch in like ASAP type thing.
But the reason but that thatcouldn't happen because there
was no woman's title matches atall there was nothing.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
and then I even said that too because, uh, um, excuse
me, paul, paul, I quit callinghunter.
All the time paul avek was evenlike yo, um, I don't like
having two briefcases going onright now, I don't like having
so, for the last couple of mealways had somebody cash in one
of them at the pay-per-view toonly minimize the amount of

(21:30):
storyline he has to build forboth briefcases.
So he was like okay, cool,eliminate one and we can just
generally focus on the briefcasehunt for the next person.
Right, so you have no women'smatch.
You're not going to cash in oncena, you're not doing it.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Yeah, there's that pit too.
So it's like even if we wantedto have someone cash in tonight,
how there was, because therewas no woman's match to possibly
tease a cash in.
And then it was like the mainevent match was so stacked and
all this other stuff where it'sit's a tag team, with one tag

(22:08):
team being the heavyweightchampion, the other tag team
being the WWE champion, and Iwas like, as soon as that match
got called, I was like I don'tcare, I don't care about this
match.
And then to kind of branch offfrom that particular bit.
Not only did I not care aboutthis match, and then to kind of
branch off from that particularbit.
Not only did I not care aboutthat match, but it's not like

(22:30):
they did a good job of promotingit this week either.
Nope, freaking.
What was it the um going backto when Cody Rhodes and Jey Uso

(22:52):
when they had that standoffbetween John Cena and Logan Paul
?
I needed that but it wassquandered and spoiled because
Jey Uso can't cut a promo likeI've lost all hope in his promo
scheme at this point.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
I do like that shit.
I ain't gonna lie.
I do like that shit.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
But which is dope.
He has a dope ending but hedoesn't say anything to lead up
to it, to make it worthwhileabsolutely not.
He just goes out there, has adope ending, but he doesn't say
anything to lead up to it, tomake it worthwhile Absolutely
not.
He just goes out there runningback so we can yeet some more,
to take up some more of thetalking time.
And then he goes out there andhe's just like you know, I'm the

(23:36):
champ.
Y'all should you know.
I'm tired of being talked downto, you know.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
It makes me wonder if Jimmy would have did better.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Yes, yes, he would have.
It should have been him.
Jimmy is the better twin, goddamn it.
The only reason why Jimmy iswhere he's at right now Listen
Bro, look at the past stuff, allright.
Reason why Jimmy is where he'sat right now Listen bro, look at
the past stuff, alright, lookback when they was doing the Uso

(24:11):
penitentiary.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Who was on the mic?

Speaker 2 (24:13):
talking Big Jim.
Big Jim, and you know what hedid After he got done talking
his stuff.
He would pass it to his brotherand you know what his brother
would say.
And remember, it's not paranoia.
When them hands are staying onthe back of your neck, it's the

(24:33):
Usos.
That's his line.
If Big Jim is the road dog, jayis Billy Gunn when he says and
if we're not down with that.
We got two words for you.
That that's all.
That is all billy's gonna haveto do.

(24:55):
Big jim is the ladies andgentlemen, boys and girls, two
of all ages, you know, he, hedoes all the hard stuff.
And the other one says thecatchphrase that's how it's
always been.
And now that they're alone,jimmy, big J, I should say Big J

(25:17):
.
He's suffering because which isanother thing to get into here
Big J is suffering because he's,he's in his position where
there's nothing for him to do.
No, they said, they said oncommentary how he's like, you
know, he's like kind ofsquandering, trying to trying to

(25:38):
figure out his place andeverything.
And it's like, yes, he'ssquandering, trying to figure
out his place and everythingbecause there's no place for him
, like, which is another reasonwhy the money in the bank was so
predictable.
Let's, I will break it downhere.
We'll start with the guys,since we're talking about the
boys right now yep you saw the.

(26:00):
You remember the lineup for themen's money in the bank yes you
want me to say it?
No, no, you don't have to.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Okay, but like andrade, yep, hell, no,
absolutely not.
Yeah, no, it's funny, russelltalk even did that they would
talk about like every wrestler,like okay, penta, he's rising
and this isn't that.
And then and then then he waslike and then Andrade, no, in

(26:28):
all seriousness, andrade is agreat wrestler.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
He's a great wrestler , but when you look at the long
term of everything rightEspecially with where I was
looking at it Because you knowGrant they can cash in on either
brand.
But when you look at who arethe champions On Smackdown and
Raw, and then you look at thepeople who are in the money in

(26:55):
the bank, Like Andrade, does nothave enough star power to even
breathe the same air that JohnCena breathed.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
God damn.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
And for him to think about going for the world title.
Seeing him in the world titlepicture is completely unheard of
because there is so much storyand so much shenanigans going on
in that world title picturethere's.
There's no way for him to crackinto that penta.

(27:36):
He's got too much el grandeamericano problems and he has
his own story.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
That's going on and he has not made the cross into
main eventer just yet, and soand that's the thing that's
pissing me off too, because,like a lot of pentagon or
penta's career is when he's putin a match where a world title
or something of that caliber isin it.
The thing that wrestlingbookers always try to put in

(28:04):
perspective is when you put thebelt on somebody, it's supposed
to elevate them, or they elevatethe belt in some way, shape or
form.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Penta is over so much he doesn't need it, so they
never justify putting a belt onhim in any scenario because he
doesn't need it but see, eventhen, right, so like, sure you
can say he's over, and the factthat, like he's so over that he
does not need a belt.

(28:34):
But then there's also because,like, but then because then that
also would end up when he getsa belt.
You almost get a slightsituation of what we're having
with Jay.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
Oh no, I agree.
But here's the thing.
Pitta has been world championin multiple promotions.
It's no biggie for him.
My thing is more so anytime Isee him in a match that involves
a stipulation where he eitherwins the title or he gets a
stipulation to win the title.
They always put him in aposition where OK, no, actually

(29:09):
it makes sense for this personto win, like going into the
match the only person that couldhave won with Seth, it was
literally the only person LAKnight, as much as he has a hot
buzz right now.
Now they're not putting it onhim because they've already done
it and he didn't win the title.
So it's like you've done italready.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
one time he hasn't got, he hasn't gotten the money.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
I think it's the one he's gotten it before no, that's
no, he was no no, no, no, no,no.
He was in the other money inthe bank.
Excuse me, he was in like twoof them.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
This was his third one, yeah, there was there was
specifically a moment onsmackdown where he was talked by
and he heard someone in thecrowd and he's like what was
that?
You just said there, thirdtime's charm, and maybe third
time is the charm.
But and I'm glad that youbrought la night up, because the
problem with the reason whythis money in the Bank to me was

(30:03):
so predictable especially forthe guys right is because when
you look at who was in the matchand you think about where they
are currently in terms of likethere's placement on the card,
there was, everybody weremid-carders and Seth Rollins was

(30:25):
the only main eventer in thatmatch, the only main eventer,
and he's also the only person inthat match who actually has a
story that's worth a damn to doanything with.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
Also to add, he had his backup, even though
what's-his-name had thebloodline.
Solo had the bloodline.
It only made sense with Seth,but continue.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
Which I will say on SmackDown, I did like when they
had the bloodline versus SethRollins' future.
They had that little standoff.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
Have they named it?

Speaker 2 (31:02):
the future Did they name it the future.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
No, that's just what I'm calling it right now,
because, actually, actually, thefuture would kind of be kind of
cold though.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Well, because, he keeps talking about his future.
That's and that's that's whyI've just called it seth
rollins's future, and so oh, so,so so, sr future.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
I'm just trying to think of it as a faction name,
like I just think, if it wasjust called the future, like
that is the faction name.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
I think that would be kind of cool it would be, but
and the only and, like I said,the reason why I call is because
every time he comes out therehe keeps talking about my vision
, my future for this industry isthat I am the future.
That so I'm like.
All right, so I'm just going tocall seth ron's future to make
it easy, just to have them sorry, but like it came from but it's

(31:58):
like um, but yeah, it's likeseth ross was the only one.
And it's one of those thingswhere, when you look at the
title spots right now, whichsucks is the fact that for
people like LA Knight, he shouldhave won the Money in the Bank

(32:19):
a while ago Facts a while ago,but facts we.
But the problem is that everytime he should have been a
position where he would win themoney in the bank, the upper
card is so heavily stacked thatit it he can't put, he can't
stick himself in there.
When he the first time that wesaw he should win the money in

(32:41):
the bank, who was he dealingwith?
Roman Reigns.
There was no way they weregoing to let him beat Roman
Reigns.
And as we saw they didn't lethim beat Roman Reigns, he got
bloodlined out and we're like no, no, no, no, there's no room
for you up here in the uppercard.

(33:02):
Stay in mid-card land the secondtime.
Stay in mid-card land thesecond time around.
Mid-card land is crazy.
Cody rhodes oh, am I getting aphone call?
I'll have to claim that.
But um, it's like the secondtime cody rhodes, right, was
champion.
There's no room for LA Knightin that.

(33:24):
Last year while Cody Rhodes waschampion to be in the main
event, la Knight has no room.
And now this year, think aboutwho the main event players are.
Right now, okay, we have CodyRhodes, john Cena, seth Rollins.

(33:45):
In the future, randy Orton,logan Paul.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
I like how you're crediting Logan Paul as a good
contender.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
He's not a contender, he is a main eventer.
He fills up main event spots.
All right, look at it like heis.
They push him as a main eventer.
He fights main event people inupper mid I won't say upper mid
guards he fights main eventersand, like I don't know what the

(34:22):
turn, I guess I could say likeupper, maybe baby baby uh main
inventors, baby main inventorsmaybe semi, I will say semi main
inventors, all right, becauseunfortunately aj styles is a
semi main inventor right nowhe's on his last, he's like on
his last run or some shit, yeahyeah, like like sammy zane, he's

(34:43):
a semi-main eventer.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Yeah, goddamn like he could put acid.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
He could put acids and seats, you know oh, and the
other person I almost forgot tomention, mostly just because
he's not there roman reigns.
Yeah, so you see all thosenames I named out.
Where, when and where would LAKnight fit into this Big 6?

Speaker 1 (35:08):
The Big 6 is yeah, that is basically what it is.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Notice how I didn't say Jey Uso Smackdown 6.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
Smackdown 6.
But no, you did not say Jey Uso.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Yeah, that's the new smackdown 6 kind of sorta, but
also that's just becausesmackdown is currently the a
show.
So you know, smackdown is theraw right now technically.
But like you look at all that,it's like la night.
There's no room for him.
And even if he got the money inthe bank, like they're gonna

(35:44):
have him cash it on John Cena,la Knight's chance to shine may
be able to happen, maybe nextyear, maybe because by that time
John Cena's out of the picture.
Roman Reigns, I don't know,maybe he won't even be there

(36:05):
anymore because they're tryingto like shorten his contract and
shit, and so oh, oh, if youhave not heard, oh, no, I heard
about that with all these paycuts now, of course this is a
legend, no, I don't think anyoneis like specifically says you
know how people be saying butcan you imagine being roman
reigns and then and they come upto you and be like hey, so you

(36:28):
know how we're paying you, like,all of that money?
Um, we're gonna like not payyou all that money anymore, but
like and we also want you toactually do more after we, not
pay you all that money.
Is that cool?
Basically?

(36:49):
pay you for your time prettymuch, but not really if that is
true, it's not going to end welland we might see Lee Aki listen
.
I was like because I've beensaying in the group chat like if
it, if that happens, not onlyis it not going to end well, but
we might be seeing Lee Akibeing all the Lee.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
Robbie, damn that motherfucker.
No, no.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Listen, bro.
We are in an interesting timewhere history is repeating
itself to a certain degree.
W Let me try it again.
Tko is looking a lot like WCWback in its heyday, alright,

(37:36):
while AEW is looking like WWFtrying to get their fucking shit
straight, because notice howTKO was looking like WWF trying
to get their fucking shitstraight, because notice how TKO
keeps buying their wrestlers,mariah, but she always wanted to
go to WWE though.
Which is true, but like, butit's like one of those things

(38:00):
where it's like damn, becausenotice how they squandered the
hell out of that.
To think that Mariah Mae wasthe women's champion this year,
mm-hmm.
And now she literally had herwomen's title match.
She dropped the belt, and thenext time you see her after she

(38:22):
drops the belt is an nxt wild,crazy work.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
It is definitely crazy work.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
I ain't gonna lie, ko is.
Tko is over here freakinglooking at uh, uh, aew, like how
wcw was looking at WWE and waslike, hey, I'm going to take
your Hulk Hogan, I'm going totake your Razor Ramon.
Ooh, I'm going to take yourKevin Nash as well, I'm going to

(38:52):
take your Rick Roode as well.
They're just like pluckingthese big names out of AEW and
adding them to their roster andthen making them look amazing.
And AEW and adding them totheir roster and then making
them look amazing.
And AEW is blowing their loadon fucking boring ass.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Four hours of of TV time and so it's crazy they want
to seem like a competitor butthey're not really actually
being a competitor.
No, they're not really actuallybeing a competitor?

Speaker 2 (39:24):
No, they're not, and the problem is they should start
acting like they are.
So AEW and WWE constantly saythe fact that we're not fighting
each other.
However, you look at thisgroundwork and you know AEW's
pay-per-view weekend is about tobe stomped out by Great

(39:46):
American Bash and Saturday NightMain Event and all this other
stuff, and it's like it's crazy.
However, there's a part of methat feels just like what
happened with WCW.
They're about to TKO is overhere getting way too big for

(40:07):
their britches and they're aboutto start making some terrible
and ugly and stupid mistakes,like oh, you mean, they haven't
already?
You right.
You right Because, going backinto this very predictable
pay-per-view when it came to thewomen's match, it's like, and

(40:29):
I'll go ahead and I'll lay downthis groundwork, because, I will
say Hold on, hold on.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
It was an NXT and Raw Money in the Bank because you
noticed three of them wereformer NXT ladies.
But even with that, that, thething that's really interesting
about that um that match is youkind of did go into it thinking
that probably stephanie wouldwin, you know, or you know,

(40:59):
maybe roxanne, I really I reallykind of feel like roxanne have
won that, maybe, like Roxanneholding that would have been
pretty tight.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
I think Roxanne.
I wanted Stephanie Valquier towin.
I felt like that would havebeen better.
However, Roxanne for a long runwould have been great.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
Yeah, I feel like.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
Oh no, I was about to say going into the conversation
I had with Ray.
Zeon this is what we'vepredicted for the next three
months when it comes to thewomen's title and wrestling and
all this other stuff, and I wantto see how close this is going
to happen.
So what started all this is thefact that the Queen of the Ring

(41:46):
is happening.
Right, we already know Queen ofthe Ring is going to come down
to Jade Cargill and CharlotteFlair.
Now, because of the fact weknew that Queen of the Ring was
going to come down to JadeCargill and Charlotte Flair, it

(42:10):
only made sense that Naomi wasgoing to win the money in the
bank, because now that putsNaomi directly in the crosshairs
of Jade Cargill Mm-hmm, putsnaomi directly in the crosshairs
of jane cargo.
Now, now that this has alreadyhappened because we said this
before, we saw money in the bank, we had this conversation and

(42:31):
so it's like that has happenedwhat has now really solidified
the fact that I think this isexactly what's going to happen
is because in the pre-show, theyasked her it's like hey, so
like, are you done with jane?
And she's like nah, once you,once you start something with me
.
That shit goes on forever.
And it's like okay, so thatconfirms the fact that she's

(42:51):
going to be trying to screw overjade cargill somewhere down in
the long run.
And so now there are there'sthree avenues we can go with
here.
I think it was three.
First avenue, which sounds likeprobably the main one, is the
fact that Jade is going to go onand they're going to let her

(43:15):
beat Charlotte.
Jade is then going to go on tofight the women's champion, and
Jade's going to win, and Jade'sgoing to win, and Jade's going
to win, and she's going to getcashed in on.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
Yep, that's actually a funny thing.
I saw a YouTube video wheresomebody brought that up.
That is the game plan.
The game plan is to make herwin the tournament, to then
fight.
Say they say that she's goingto go against Tiffany and she's
going to go against Tiffany.
Say she's going to go againstTiffany and she's going to win,

(43:48):
and then, as that happens,cash-in happens.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Cash-in's going to happen Now.
That's the most probable Now.
The second option would be thefact where, in that match Jade
versus Charlotte Charlotte winsbecause Naomi screws over Jade,
which will reignite and makethose two fight each other,

(44:15):
while on the back end of thathappening, bianca comes back and
fights Tiffany for the titleand then Bianca beats Tiffany
and then Naomi cash-ins there,which would then kind of sort of

(44:37):
give more of the backlash ofwhat just recently happened on
SmackDown, where Bianca was outthere and we find out the fact
that, oh, yeah, uh, proceed withcaution.
She'd be out here just doinghome invasions yeah, and it's
completely okay.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
We're gonna act like it's just part of storyline
we're just.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
We're just gonna like breeze past if I like.
You know that's a felony list,but hey, listen, randy orton
hasn't been tried for arson yetso I mean, and also hunter in
home invasion too.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
So but at least he got arrested for that.
You know what he did.
He did, he did austin.
Did austin get arrested?

Speaker 2 (45:19):
I don't know because he well, I figured it was like
yo, he, you had a gun pulled onyou.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
I don't, I don't know .
I figured it was like yo, youhad a gun pulled on you.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
I don't think he did, but Brian Pillman did pull the
blicky out on Austin.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
That's what I'm saying.
I think the cops would havebeen like look, he upped it on
you and that should have scaredyou enough.
So we're going to let you offwith a foul.
You could have died tonight.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
You could've died tonight.
You could've died now.
See, let that have been likeMark Henry or D'Lo Brown who did
that.
Oh, they putting that niggaunder the jail.
I'm so dead I'm so dead theylet the white man walk.
I can't, even broski, I can'teven so, like that third option

(46:10):
is where, like, Jade still winsand beats Charlotte, but then
Bianca gets the belt and nowthere's the Jade versus Bianca
situation, and that's when Naomicomes in and fucks everything
up.
So those are the three avenuesI'm looking at.
However, that first one, Ithink, is the most probable and

(46:32):
at first I was all like nah, butlike, as Ray Z on was telling
me, I'm like.
And then we started like how Iconnecting the dots that are
already being set up with thewhole Charlotte and Jade?

Speaker 1 (46:48):
And Jay having them bump into each other and stuff
like that.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
I don't got to watch wrestling for the next three
months.
I'm dead.
I already booked it, it'salready been booked.
I already know what's going tohappen.
Booked it, it's already beenbooked.
I already know what's going tohappen.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
Nah, it's already been booked.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Listen, that's where I'm at right now.
But at the end of the day,money in the Bank was mid as
fuck Money in the Bank.
I haven't even watched it, butjust from the stuff that has
happened and the fact that I wasable even watched it but just
from the stuff that has happenedand the fact that I was able to
predict it so heavily barelymade it actually.

(47:31):
No, I'm not going to give it anE, but it gets a D in my book
because there was and notice,you didn't even talk about the
Dom match.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
You did, but you didn't because that match didn't
.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
But you didn't Because that match didn't matter
.
It didn't matter, it didn't.
You know how much it mattered.
It was thrown on there at theabsolute last minute Facts Just
to make it so that people whopaid for this pay-per-view
aren't paying for four fuckingmatches.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Peacock is $10, but yeah.
Listen, there are people whodon't want, for whatever reason,
just won't get Peacock.
Somebody out there spent $60 towatch Money in the Bank for
five matches.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
Hey man, look If they don't value their wallet.
I guess so.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
What if I told you WWE, don't either.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
I know, because apparently they're going back to
Las Vegas again.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
As a matter of fact.
Yes, they did actually bring upthe they.
I don't.
I don't remember it beingofficial, but triple H said,
yeah, we're going back to LasVegas.
Because of that I'm like, oh,so we really is going back.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Oh, and they did.
They did the cut, they theypromoted or whatever.
Excuse me.
They did the ad showcasing andsay oh well, sometimes you do
something once, sometimes yougotta do it twice.
We're going back to Vegas.
Oh, so there was a promo for it.
Oh yeah, they openly showed thenew logo is WrestleMania.
It looks like a carnival orsome shit like that.

(49:16):
It's going to Vegas, so 42 isin Vegas.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Yeah and it's oh boy, but to give some props to tna
real quick here we go, your,your promotion.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
I love how your promotion's still living and
mine is is no longer Both of mypromotions.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
What.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
ECW and Lucha Underground.
Those were my promotions that Ilive and breathe.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
That's wild, because that means you got nothing to
look forward to.
Nope, both of those have beendead for a very long time now,
very, very long time.
Like, bro, like, try and watch.
I'm kidding, don't.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
It was, at one point, new Japan too.
Then it became New Japan, andthen now New Japan is a shell of
what it used to be.
I remember I used to start.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
At least maybe give New Japan Japan another try this
week because of the fact thatAEW was so trash, I was all like
, well, let me see what Ring ofHonor is doing.
Ring of Honor is just SundayNight Heat, but under the AEW
brand, bro the only cool thing.

(50:42):
The only cool thing thathappened on Ring of Honor this
past week was that Persephoneand Thunder Rosa went up against
Layla Gray and Dulce Tormenta,and because I'm a fan, I do and

(51:04):
because I'm a fan, I do, andbecause I do, I enjoyed that
match.
It was also a good match.
Don't get me wrong.
All of the matches on Ring ofHonor were good matches, but,
like Ring of Honor is justSunday Night Heat behind a

(51:24):
paywall, alright but if yougotta pay for it, it's crazy,
crazy absolutely crazy.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
GCW does give me a fix.
I do love deathmatch wrestling.
I love deathmatch wrestling andyou know it's funny speaking of
deathmatch, know it's funnyspeaking of death match
wrestling, it's.
It's such an art form that Ienjoy that maybe one of the
wrestlers who enjoys that artform so much doesn't know how to
sell to you and that's JonMoxley great.

(52:03):
Segue.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
I mean, yeah, and that's Jon Moxley Great segue, I
mean, yeah, but before I segue,because I did want to at least
get my little bit in about.
TNA real fast oh yeah, you'reright, wasn't too much.
But number one Santino Marella,because once again I gotta
watch the pay-per-view.
Santino Marella has a match onthe pay-per-view.
Santino Morella, because onceagain I gotta watch the

(52:24):
pay-per-view.
Santino Morella has a match onthe pay-per-view.
Bam Santino promo'd his assholethat night, Talking about how
much he cares about T and A andhow he's like because he's
technically stepping down fromhis position to have this match
and all this other like I mean,listen, I felt what Santino was

(52:46):
talking about.
I'm like alright, santino, likecause you never hear Santino
talk like with such bravado andlike freaking passion and be so
serious, like serious.
Santino was a nice breath offresh air also, which is crazy
to think about.
Sirius Santino was a nicebreath of fresh air Also, which

(53:11):
is crazy to think about,especially with how long TNA's
been around.
That night on TNA they hadtheir 60th Monsters Ball match.
60th, 60th, crazy, right, what?
60th Monsters Ball.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
That don't make sense .

Speaker 2 (53:39):
I don't even remember that many Monsters Balls going
down.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
Hey, I also was like wait, really, that's, that's a
lot that is absolutely a lie andI did not know that was the
case.
So you saying that is is veryinteresting, as in a uh, promote

(54:04):
a promotion.
To keep doing that, sorry, goahead and and the 60th monsters
ball match was had by females.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Uh, zaya brookside versus rosemary, which which I
was like okay, I know Rosemary'sin that bitch, yep.
But I was like for them to havehad 60 Monsters Balls.
I'm like number one, and Iactually, because I never looked
it up, but it's like I pulledit up on the Wikipedia here and

(54:38):
fam, I'm like damn.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Abyss.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Oh, it was literally his match, so like yeah, yeah so
just to do a quick go on itreal quick, talking about it.
Well, let me see, was a month.
It was monty brown there was.
The first one was monty brown,raven and abyss.
Second one was rhino, abyss,sabu and jeff hardy.

(55:07):
The third one, samoa.
Joe, abyss and rhino, like holdon now I'm checking here, I
want to.
It looks like the first, thefirst seven had abyss in them
and then, after the first seven,the eighth one I lied abyss was

(55:30):
in that too.
So let me keep counting,because it was like females,
taylor wilde versus daphne, butdaphne was with abyss beacon of
wish.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
Saw taylor wilde on uh dark side of the ring.
She's doing good man.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
She was doing good, it's good I need to catch up on
dark side right, they went overdaphne and muhammad assad
interesting, I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
Yeah season finale was muhammad assan okay, fam,
abyss has been it's.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
I want to say like the first 52, I think like the
first 52.
No, no, no, there's actuallyone here.
Number 47 had Rosemary going upagainst Jade.
So I think the first 46 of themLet me double check here, all

(56:28):
right.
No, no, no, I'll go up one 45.
So I think the first 44 MonsterBalls match had the first 44,
had Abyss in it and I think theperson who has been them the
second most is Jeff Hardy yes,which I did not realize Jeff

(56:53):
Hardy was in so many of them.
But yeah, literally the first44 of these were with Abyss and
most of them Abyss lost.
But yeah, yeah, 60 Monsters ballmatches.

(57:15):
And it's funny because I'mlooking, it's like you can see,
and because they've had them,they would have several of them
a year, but like that's crazy.
But yeah, so that Monsters Ballthing, and also you know how we
was talking about, how I guessit was mostly me talking about

(57:36):
how I didn't think Trick wasreally into his character, kind
of thing, like he's kind of sortof like.
Let me tell you how.
Like Elijah, aka Elias,literally in his promo, said
those exact words that I saidWait, what do you mean.

(58:01):
So elias is fighting him forthe title, right, yeah, or is
supposed to fight him for attheir uh pay-per-view and he was
cutting his promo, talkingabout how, like you know, pretty
much he was saying the factthat trick you're fake and lame,
like in layman's terms hepretty much like trick you're
fake, you're just.
You're just trying to put upthis front because you're

(58:23):
desperate for the attention andall this other stuff.
But it was like the things thathe said I literally said at the
last one like damn.
I feel so validated you was likehold on hold on a on.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
Elijah was listening to you, bro.
He was walking with you, listen.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
I mean, there's no secret, I've always walked with
Elias or Elijah.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
Either way.
How about his brother?
Were you cool with his brother?

Speaker 2 (58:58):
I mean he was all right.
Okay, that's cool.
However, I do like in thatpromo he actually like he
brought up all of that, like hementioned it.
So he was like whether, if youknow me as elijah, elias, or um,
I forget what or, or or samsonyeah you're e, yeah, ezekiel,
yeah, yeah, which, as I'm sayingthis out loud, I'm, like you

(59:20):
know, wonder, because, like allthose are very biblical names
and I've come to find out thathe is an extreme.
He is a God fearing man.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
So he's very big.
He's big, ok, big man of faith,ok.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Oh yeah, like I, okay , big man of faith, okay, oh
yeah, like, I'm talking like he,literally, even now.
Sometimes, if you find his uhtiktok, he'll be.
He'll be live with the bible inhis hand, talking to everybody
and giving the word and all thisother stuff.
It's funny.
I actually had a chance to askhim one on one of his lives and
he acknowledged me because Iasked I was like, how long have

(59:55):
you been?
Because I didn't know he wassuper religious, like that.
Yeah, and he told me the factthat at this point, this would
have been 2023.
I think it was yeah, this wouldhave been 2023, because I was
still in tampa as I asked him.
He said at that time he waslike five years ago, somebody
showed me something and and and,and, uh, and pretty much they,

(01:00:21):
they preached the word to me andI was like, hmm, and it made me
curious, and so I bought abible and I looked into it and I
never looked back and I waslike, okay, all right, it's real
, it's real, it's real genuine,and like he's.
So I'm just like that's okay,alright, I see it now at one

(01:00:46):
point.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
At one point I wasn't too sure, if you know, when you
say that some people get reallyinvolved with their characters
and I'm saying I'm not sayinganything against his faith or
something like that but therehave been a lot of people who
are method actors, who reallyget involved into their
character, and maybe a part ofthat was getting involved with
walking with Elias, what thatmeans to him and everything.

(01:01:07):
So maybe he kind of picked itup.
You know what I'm saying.
So a part of me was like Hmm,yeah.
Like a part of me was like hmm,yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
Like a part of me was like, hmm, what if that was a
thing, you know, and so and so,because of that, like when I
look back on some of his stuffwhen he was in wwe, like you can
kind of see it with the waythat he would carry himself,
especially like when he was likea baby face, like you could see
it.
So but, um, now that I got mypiece in about tna because they

(01:01:34):
deserve to be talked about thisweek, unlike AEW here we go, but
we're about to start talkingabout them.
The integrity of finishingmoves, fam, it's bad right now,
it's really bad.
Talk about it, as you Actually.

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Yes, because also not just theintegrity of finishing moves,
but then, like what is being afinishing move, fam?
We see what Trick William lookslike.
Why ain't he dropping stuff?
Why ain't he?

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We see what?

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
Trick William looks like why ain't he dropping stuff
?
Why ain't he?
Why is he?
Why?
Also, not even that like thetrick shot to me.
It don't feel like it should behis move, it's no the to me the
the what.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
the trick shot to me is like I couldn't think of
anything else to do, so I'mgoing to just do like this
running knee move and it's likevery rarely does anyone sell it
where it looks great.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
Yeah, it just always looks floppy.
Whenever he did it in the lastmatch he like tried like the
dude I guess I can't rememberwho it was who was in a match
against he was.
I think it was a.
I want to say, was it JoeHendry, maybe?
But like he didn't realize, hey, the finish is happening.
So his back is turned, he'slike wobbly and so trick was
like fucking, I'm just gonna hitit.

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And he hits in the back of hishead.
Then it's like he says yo doingthe finish, comes back and then
does the trick shot again,hitting him in the face and
finishing, and it was like andit still looked, it still looked
like.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
It looks like ass every time but then and it's
like we have someone as big asas as trick williams, but but
joe henry's the one that doesthe big, pick them up, slam down
to the ground, move and it'sall like what that look like.
What does that look like andunfortunately AEW is the biggest

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offender of it about theno-selling and just making
finishing moves ass.
But like what you was talkingabout with the pay-per-view.
How many AAs happened in thatmatch?

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
Like five, I think.
I know it was like at one pointhe AAC'd Cody, got a pin, got
out of it.
That's like a perfect example,not even just the AAs.
The fact that the man slamhappened off the second rope.
That should have been one anddone like if you're doing your
finisher in an elevated state,it should be donezo, because

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that's like doing your movetimes two yes, always has been
that way.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
No one gets back up after a choke slam off the top
rope.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
No, or at least you shouldn't, always has been that
way.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
No one gets back up after a choke.
Slam off the top rope, no, or?

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
at least you shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Now there are certain benefits of the doubt that I
can get and kind of understand,like, as it used to be called,
the champion's resiliency.
You know that gets applied to amatch when you're the champion
and you have a title, so youshould be able to take at least
one of someone's finisher.
That's understandable.

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We get that bit and maybe maybeyou get two.
But then that's when theselling comes into play, which,
as much as Ricochet and DolphZiggler, aka Nick Nemeth, used
to promote it, it's become aweirdly lost art, because back

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then, back in the day, if I hityou with my finish and you
kicked out right, match goes on.
I hit you with my finish againand you somehow kicked out.
You kicked out because youkicked out, because of sure will

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, but you're not awake yet.
You're still laid out, you'restill dazed like you're.
You're trying to figure outwhat's going on.
You know when people used tokick out and they just be laid
out on the ground, I think, andlike the crowd's going crazy,
they're just all like the personwho just got the finish,
they're still not, they're noteven moving yet, like they're

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still donezo, like and and youknow jr's going crazy, like I
can't believe the intestinalfortitude.
He's getting beat out like agovernment mule but he's still
going.
He's still kicked out.
I can't believe it.
Like you know, just they don'tdo that shit, no more.
Nope, they'll kick out, and AEWis real good for this one.

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They'll kick out after doingthat big finish, right.
And then the person who put thefinish on it is like nah, now
they're picking you up andthey're trying to like they want
to go and do their finish againand all of a sudden you just
I'm okay again.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
And then you pick them up and do a didgeridoo in
the fucking air and drop the guyDidgeridoo Whoa what the what A
didgeridoo in the fucking airand drop the guy Didgeridoo Whoa
what the what A what.
What was that?

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
Listen, a didgeridoo is.
Remember when we used to play.
When you play Crash Bandicootand you get blown up by the
nitro, yeah.
And he likes, and he's flyingup with the angel wings and he's
like blowing that long big asspipe boss likes.
And he's flying up with theangel wings and he's like
blowing that long big ass pipeboss yeah that's the didgeridoo,
but that's hilarious, but uh,but it's like you know they'll

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just like they'll john moxley,and just snap out of it like you
didn't just hit them with likeyour biggest finish of all time,
and then paradigm shift, pinyou and that's it, and then he's
just like this, like nothinghappened, like he's not
stumbling because he just gothit with your biggest finish of

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all time.
You know, he's standing tall,straight, chest out usually a
bloody mess, which also doesn'tmake sense, because you're not
selling the blood on your faceor anything.
It's like, oh, that's, it'sjust red sweat to you, kind of
thing.
And so it's like no integrityto the finish anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
And and fuck selling, he feels very primal in the
nature of like the blood.
You know how those people thatsay the crimson mask makes you,
um, it enhances you, it makesyou, you know, kind of more guxy
or whatever it's like in thosesituations, and I'm not trying

(01:08:34):
to defend it, but it's like asif it's a second win.
But the second win is like hewas red and now he's green in
his body, like his.
Like his body was red and nowGuerrero was bleeding like crazy
.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Do you remember how Eddie Guerrero was selling that
shit?
Oh yeah, Also, he was kind offucked up, but still if that's
the case, remember when I thinkit was Bret Hart and Stone Cold
faced each other.
And Stone Cold got busted openand shit.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
You remember how he sold that?
Oh, he sold the fuck out of it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Yeah, yeah yeah, when was the last time you saw
someone sell being busted openlike those two?
I have, I haven't, you have not,have, not, have, not selling is

(01:09:54):
a dying art and I think themain problem about it is the
fact of this whole aspect of Ineed to get my shit in culture
that's kind of going around,which, once again, aw promotes
it a lot.
Mostly it aw promotes it a lotand you see it a lot with them,

(01:10:16):
mostly just because of the addedfact that they still bleed like
crazy over there.
But it's like when you bleedlike crazy over there, it
doesn't matter, it doesn't meananything, it doesn't do anything
Like and it's I mean sure,death matches are cool.

(01:10:39):
You know what I'm saying.
But, like I also feel,especially with the way that
death matches are used in AEWkind of thing, versus how
hardcore matches used to be kindof done and used in WWE, I

(01:11:00):
honestly think that deathmatches are kind of ruining the
art of selling to a certaindegree, because it's like in my
brain, okay, if I can sit hereand watch you get staples put on
your tongue and in your headand on your eyeballs and through
your fingers and on your dick,like if I can watch you get the.

(01:11:24):
You saw it.
You know what I'm talking about.
Don't act stupid.
Don't give me that look.
But if I can watch you, but it'slike, if I can watch you get
all those things done to youfreaking be bashed in the head
with whatever, legitimately gethung by a rope, freaking getting
put through center blocks it'slike what more can you do after

(01:11:53):
that If you go through all ofthat and then you still have
enough in you to just stand upand act like nothing freaking
happened.
It's like, bro, what?
At that point it's all like aregular wrestling match doesn't
mean anything.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
I mean you're not lying.
Here's the thing I don't feellike deathmatch wrestling is
doing that.
I feel like Jon Moxley, as acharacter, is doing that Because
deathmatch wrestling is just athing that AEW does, because
again, we got to remember Tonyis a fan.
He is a fan.
He wants to see certain thingsconstantly happening in every

(01:12:36):
promotion.
He wants to make AEW New Japan.
He literally wants that, andNew Japan is very big on strong
style, making their characterstronger than life.
They should be coming back fromthe craziest situations
constantly, right?
But Jon Moxley is also acharacter where, yes, he's came
up from deathmatch wrestling,but he's supposed to be this

(01:12:58):
complete badass and that's justwhat he's supposed to be.
It's.
That's why I say to me it's notdeathmatch wrestling, it is
literally moxley.
It's moxley that's causing thatissue.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
Which I mean I wholeheartedly agree.
But it's like when it comes tothat deathmatch because with the
little bit of like outside ofAEW deathmatch wrestling that I
see and stuff like that likeeven they sell things- you know
what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
Deathmatch sells shit .
That's what I'm saying.
It's not Deathmatch.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
But it's like AEW does not know how to properly
Deathmatch.
You know what I'm saying?
That when you think of like aperson, like when it comes to
people who Mick Foley all right,mick Foley and his matches when
you see Mick Foley get beat,the dog piss out of with weapons

(01:14:03):
and stuff like that, the way hesells it, the way he reacts to
it after it's happened and theway he continues to, and I think
that's the piece that's reallymissing when it comes to people
selling stuff and what is alsodiminishing the value of the
finishing move.
People get hit with these movesand they forget it happened.

(01:14:23):
Jon Moxley got stabbed in theback with a 2x4 filled with
nails.
It got jabbed so deep into hisback that they had to

(01:14:44):
legitimately pry it out of hishuman skin and he proceeded
through the rest of the matchlike that never happened,
therefore making it meanabsolutely nothing.

(01:15:04):
However.
Paradigm shift on Edge and it'sover.
Oh, yeah, yeah but once again Isay all this shit, wwe, they're
not.
They're in hot water for it too.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
5aa's remember back in the day with Super Cena with
Super Cena.
Yes, super Cena himself was thebig reason why it was that
freaking normal.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
It was normalized remember when they used to
protect the aa.
Remember when they rememberwhen they used to protect the
arcade yep, jinx, you owe me afucking soda bitch Like that's.

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
We said the same shit .

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
The most dangerous letters in sports entertainment.
The RKO and John Cena took likegoddamn ten of them on a
pay-per-view and still.
Not only still got up.
And then but John Cenadelivered four, delivered four,
five, six of them to randy ortonradio, or kicked out of every

(01:16:22):
single one of them.
At least we protect the titlebelt to the head I think that oh
yeah no, once you get hit inthe head with it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
Yeah, it's supposed to be be done.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
Yeah, the title is probably the last protected move
, the last protected weapon insports entertainment, that
throughout the years leading upuntil now, when you get hit with
the title belt, you do not getback up, unless you're Super

(01:16:57):
Cena.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
Then yes, or unless you get R-Truth to come in and
smack you with the belt, whichled you to lose as well, which
technically still protects itbecause he was hit with the belt
, yep still protected.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
It is the most protected weapon and it is the
most protected maneuver Tidalbelt to the face and it is the
most protective maneuver titlebelt to the face.
But then you look at the factlike, because I know we talked
about a little bit before.
You know, tony Storm's runninghip attack puts bitches out for
the 1-2-3 but Storm.

(01:17:31):
Zero motherfuckers, kick out of.
I don't understand, I don't getit I mean that ass, that ass
don't call steve.
Austin's career was almost endedfrom a storm zero brother yes,

(01:17:53):
basically yes but as to the face, we will put you down for the 1
, 2, 3.

Speaker 1 (01:17:59):
That's just this culture.
Nowadays, bro, Like ass iseverything.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
The tombstone put people down for what?
20, 30 years?
But now a spiked tombstone,niggas, is kicking out of Make
it make sense.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
Hey, listen here, brother, I'm not disagreeing
with you.
I'm not disagreeing with you inthe slightest.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
Like with the way things are going, I feel, Baron
Corbin, he got a game just intime.
He got a game just in time.
He got a game just in timebecause at this point his
finishing move End of days, Endof days.
I do believe only one personhas ever kicked out of end of

(01:18:55):
days.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
Wasn't it never.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
I don't remember.
No, it wasn't ever.
I don't remember.
Actually, let me double check.
There was a part of me thatwanted to say it was John Cena,
though for some reason Hold on.

Speaker 1 (01:19:06):
No, it wasn't.
It was somebody that was reallyclose to him.
Okay, it was definitelysomebody who was kind of close
to him let me, let me justdouble check.

Speaker 2 (01:19:23):
I uh oh, apparently it was drew mcintyre there we go
.
Somebody that drew mcintyre hesaid, drew mcintyre is the only
one to have kicked out of baroncorbin's end of days finishing
move, which is apparently asignificant event in WWE history

(01:19:43):
, according to Chris VanVleet.
But it's like that used to bethe thing that gets people over
like, granted, baron Corbin'sgone now and stuff like that but
it's like isn't he booked with?

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
but and stuff like that.
But it's like he's currently,isn't he booked with like MLW
and shit like that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
I don't know, I don't have.
I haven't followed him reallysince he's left.

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
Wasn't he one of?

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
your guys.
Not necessarily Like he wasokay, Like he was cool, but I he
was cool.
But at the same time, after awhile I was one of those people
who was at NXT that was like hey, you're a bum, Baron Corbin's a
bum.
I was that guy, I did that shit.

Speaker 1 (01:20:29):
Where's Austin Theory and Wilder at bro, he's on that
caliber, because he's on thatcaliber of them Like a talent,
who you could put him in anysituation, like Baron.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
Corbett, those two, they just got done getting beat
up by Sheamus.
They just didn't show up onanything.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
this week, the reason why I was originally thinking
about him.
It's like I was like, whydoesn't wwe keep him?
He's that kind of wrestlerwhere it's like the ms, where
you put him in any situation.
Yeah, you put him in anysituation and he could put
somebody over.
He's not.
He doesn't have to get overhimself.
He could be completely finewith being the fall guy, but

(01:21:17):
you're gonna hate him every time.
He's gonna have heat.
He'll heat every time.

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
Well, so like barry corbin was actually getting over
as a baby face before he leftreally, yeah, and he was, but he
and he was like randomlyteaming up with, uh, with apollo
cruz, and like I was I wasn'tsure where they was going with
it, but like they would havelike the like right before he
left.
I where they was going with it,but like they would have like
the like right before he left.

(01:21:42):
I remember they had like thesesegments where it was like him
and Apollo Crews were like atlike a barbershop, like talking
or something like that Like he'strying to be cool with the
homie.
That's what it seemed like, butthen, like I think, apollo Crews
got hurt, which is why wehaven't heard from him since,
and they let Baron Corbin go,and this is after he had that

(01:22:02):
fantastic run in NXT with uh,with Bronathan and so, but, like
I, I really wish and it'sunfortunate, I really wish and
it's unfortunate the fact thatthese good finishing moves, like

(01:22:26):
they're being whitewashed.
They're no longer finishersanymore.
Finishing moves are justbecoming signature moves.
There's no such thing as afinishing move anymore, because
finishing moves aren't finishing.
I mean, that's what I callbecoming signature moves.

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
There's no such thing as a finishing move anymore,
because finishing moves aren'tfinishing.
I mean, that's what I callsignatures, that's what I
normally call signatures.

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
Well, but that's the thing.
You've played the wrestlinggame.
There are signature moves andthen you have your finishers.
I know, but in most of the time, signature move is the.
In the wrestling game, mysignature move is usually the

(01:23:06):
shooting star press and the uh,um, the uh sharpshooter.
My finish is the swag switcher,which is the people's elbow,
and then the wild style, whichis the rock bottom.

Speaker 1 (01:23:28):
I'm not disagreeing with you.
What I'm saying is that to them, is the ideal of what the
finishers are for them right now, currently oh no, that's what
they've been demoted to.

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
Yes, yes, yes, but that's that's not what it was.
No, never that.
And it's like WWE has a reallybad habit right now of taking
AEW's really bad habits and justusing them because they work,

(01:24:06):
and that's why you get DrewMcIntyre versus CM Punk no, it
was Drew McIntyre versus uh.
No, it was CM Punk versus SethRollins and a thousand GTSs a

(01:24:27):
thousand, uh, uh curve stomps aGTS followed up with a curve
stomp, a curve stomp followed upwith a GTS.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
And everyone is still kicking out we do a super curve
stomp, a super GTS like they'retrying to get crowd pops when
they don't really need to,because also, the audience is
the kind of people nowadayswhere, well, you gotta top that.
How are you gonna top the nextsection situation?

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
that's the problem, you don't, but for some reason
they have brainwashed,intoxified their minds to think
that, like.
It's one of those things where,as someone who has been trained
as a wrestler, the one thingthat your wrestling trainers
always would teach is that lessis more.

(01:25:15):
They always always say you know, if you slow down and if you
think you're going slow, goslower.

Speaker 1 (01:25:25):
All right.
Funny thing you say that isbecause a lot of people are
feeling that way when it comesto Van Kingo.
I think I pronounced it wrong,I feel like I butchered it.
But the guy from AAA who hasthe mega champion right now,
they're saying his bump card,which, if you obviously you have
training so you understand whatthe bump card is His bump card
is going to get shorter andshorter every year because of

(01:25:48):
some of the things he was doingbefore he made it to WWE.
He would do pay-per-view spotsevery night and they're just
like yo.
Luchas was like yo.
You might want to chill thefuck out because you're doing
too much and your buff card isgoing to get shorter and shorter
every time.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
I've been going to a lot of indie promotions recently
watching these matches andstuff like that and Ray Zeon
doing stuff with him at thepromotions and I see these
matches and I watch his match.
He had a match.
It was a main event match,right, it was a triple threat.

(01:26:32):
They had the crowd in the palmof their hands, hands just
eating off of everything thatthey was doing.
Ray zion did not.
Ray zion took one bump thewhole match.
He took one bump one and thatwas at the very end.

(01:26:57):
That was the finish of thematch and the crowd loved it.
There wasn't a whole lot offlippy shit, it was a good,
straight match.
But the problem that people aredoing nowadays it's like the
flippy shit is nice but, as youconstantly hear, you can only be

(01:27:17):
so flippy, you can only flippyso muchippy, you can only flippy
so much and you can only flippyfor so long.
People are so busy doing thesespots where there's crowd work.
You could.
I have seen cause these matchesstill happen in the indie scene

(01:27:38):
where a match would start.
They'll lock up, they'll breakthe lock up and then the heel
will leave the ring.
He'll walk around the ringthree times, cussing at the
people around the ring sidedoing all of this while the
babyface is like waiting for himto come in.

(01:27:59):
I don't know if you sawSmackDown, because I feel Mateo
fills this spot very well as faras how wrestling could be, and
if you know how to work it, youdon't have to work so goddamn
hard.
The match started with Mateo.

(01:28:21):
He rolled out the ring, talkingshit to the people.
You know, talking shit to theguy in the ring.
He acts like he's gonna get inthe ring, rolls back out the
ring, goes and talks to Solo andthis and the other and then,
like when he's fighting in thering, he's slow and methodical,

(01:28:43):
but he makes every movement andhit matter count, as opposed to
doing a thousand throwaway spotsand 200 false finishes.

Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
Well, I feel like I know we could talk about this
kind of a lot in depth and howyou, we, how selling is such an
important craft when it comes towrestling, but I think it kind
of boils down to is what do youfeel like could be the solution
for what people are doing,because obviously this is a a

(01:29:18):
ongoing thing.
It's not going to stop.
So what would you feel like isthe solution that people could
do, what wrestlers couldpotentially do to to make
selling important again?

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
I feel the thing, the thing that would need to happen
, is the thing that no one isgoing to do and WWE tries to,
but then when they try to do it,people like Ricochet get mad

(01:29:49):
and they leave so that they cando it somewhere else.
And it's the fact that you haveto tone those things down and
then you have to do it where itcounts, where it makes sense.
You have to stop doing theflippy for a little bit so that

(01:30:14):
when you do the flippy it gets abig pop, but when you do the
flipping it gets a big pop.
But when you have people likeand we love them to death, but
our resident Billy Goat and likeAR Fox, where they'll go in
there and they're just boing,boing, boing, boing, boing,

(01:30:36):
boing, boing, boing, boing,boing, boing, boing, boing,
boing, boing, boing, boing,boing, boing, boing, boing, like
when they're doing all of thatin a match non-stop, it's like
all right, well, I guess this isall right.
Cool, cool, cool, whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:30:49):
Whatever the sad part about it is for someone like um
, someone like uh, like someonelike Ricochet.
That's his whole thing andthat's the issue.
Yeah, and that's his wholething.
He only started being able tocut promos recently.

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
When you have people like Ricochet now, granted, well
, ospreay gets let off the hookbecause, after seeing his match
with Hangman, I know he alsoknows how to wrestle.
Because, let it be known forthose who are just watching and
did not know, my introduction toWill Ospreay is AEW.

(01:31:37):
I'd never followed him prior, Ihave not.
I've been like I love him andI've been like let me just keep
watching, let me make sure I'mnot looking like a bandwagon guy
and whatnot.
But it's like he proved himselfto me with that match with Will
Ospreay and I'm like, oh, he ismore than just flippy shit, but

(01:32:03):
that's a strong suit.
And it's like, unfortunately,when you just have so much
flippy shit people, and it'slike with this new generation of
as I think undertaker would saythese video game wrestlers yes,
wholers who just do flippy shitnon-stop, it's one of those
things it's like because there'sso much of it, niggas like

(01:32:27):
Gunther get pushed to thewayside because no one's doing
that old school stuff anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:32:35):
I feel like because of who Gunther is, a lot of
people also really appreciatehim a lot more.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
Correct, and they do, but there's not enough of him.
And then, on top of that, Ifeel there's been.
Remember back in the day theycalled it the land of the giants
.
We don't got big dudes likethat anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:33:05):
I think that's because they're kind of wanting
to get out of that mindset ofthe land of the giants but when
you do that, that it's likedoing killing off giants.

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
To a certain degree is why we're at right now,
because because there's nogiants anymore to just pick
people up and throw them down tothe ground, which used to be
what wrestling was.
Choke slams, power bombs, powerslams.
You choke slams, power bombs,power slams.
You know sidewalk slams, blackhole slams, tiger bombs,

(01:33:47):
suplexes those are beingreplaced with chops, molly whops
, hidden blades, you know, heyman, look, the hidden blade is
fire though.
Chops, molly wops, hidden bladesyou know and look, the hidden
blade is fire though Knees Likethose big man moves are no

(01:34:10):
longer happening and all we'regetting is flippy shit.
And it's one of those thingswhere maybe because, since we
know, when it comes to wrestling, history repeats itself maybe
next generation will bring backthe giants and make giants great
again and start power bombingand tossing people and body

(01:34:35):
slamming and, you know, doingthose things again, Because it's
like the people who look likethey should be doing that are
just kicking and punching andkicking out from tombstones.

Speaker 1 (01:34:51):
You know and again kind of going back into what
you're saying is a lot of thoseflippy shits, a lot of those
moments kind of go intostipulations, storyline moments
that make it prominent to whythey're doing that.
And I feel like that could beanother thing we can talk about
next week is what are ourfavorite match stipulations?
What are our favorite momentsthat kind of create the

(01:35:12):
atmosphere of why those flippyshit moments are important, why
those things are?
Because, like you said before,it's fitting where it's needed
and we all got our matches.
We just talked about MonstersBall not too long ago.
Right, my favorite match ofit's always been either the
Buried Alive or the Casket Match.
But like I feel like that'sgoing into detail, like some of

(01:35:33):
those matches where moments likethat are important.
That's a great segue for nextweek and I wanted to make sure,
before we kind of end off theepisode, do you have any final
touches, final moments or thingsof that nature?

Speaker 2 (01:35:46):
uh, before we kind of wrap things up, no, no, I think
I've uh did my old man rant forthe day out here, out here
sound like these old cats whereit's like back in my day where
rasslin?
Was this when rasslin was real,you know, and it wasn't all the
work.
You know, you hit me, you putyou think you're gonna get a pin

(01:36:10):
off of me from just doing aquick chop against my, against
my chest.
Nah, fam, you're gonna workyourself into a shoot with that.
It's not gonna work for me,brother, and with that I'll be
damned if you bounce off of therope and just do a running chop
to my chest.
I'm gonna lay down for a threecount Boy.

(01:36:32):
You better pick me up and slamme down.
I don't like.

Speaker 1 (01:36:37):
And with that, guys, I want to thank you so much for
watching.
If you haven't yet, pleasefollow us on all social media
and platforms.
Again, with the YouTube,definitely subscribe and like
the channel.
We'll be coming up with newepisodes and content shortly,
but it's the Masako.

Speaker 2 (01:36:53):
And it's your boy, Swag Switch.

Speaker 1 (01:36:56):
NW, and that is going to be another episode of the
Big Brothers of Destructionpodcast.
Guys, until next time, we'llsee you around.

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