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Speaker 1 (00:08):
welcome to another episode of the big brothers of
destruction podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Man, it is the maziku it's your boy swag switcher in
the building I almost took it onaccident that time.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
I realized I paused midway and I almost said your
boy, and I stopped.
But it's devosaku and we gotswags with you here with another
episode.
Man, it's the crazy week ofwrestling that we have going on.
Man, wrestlemania just ended.
We got the finish of thecentury that no wrestling fan
wanted.

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We we have, for some reason,travis Scott coming out to help
John Cena when there is no finalboss present.
The final boss was thecenterpiece of this.
He made this all about sellingyour soul.
John Cena apparently sold hissoul, but we don't know what he
sold his soul for, and it lookslike maybe he sold his soul for
Travis Scott.
That's what it looks like.

(01:04):
That's what we got.
And, uh, we got what I reallywanted from Mania and that was
Cena winning the title and,interestingly enough, he has now
created the, the ticking clock.
That is, I have this belt andeither somebody takes it from me

(01:28):
or I'm going to be the lastremaining champion or this title
, and we're going to go intothat promo in a second.
But I kinda I'm kinda gladwe're getting this, but mania
side most I mean it's're gettingthis but mania side.
What does that mean Going backinto mania.
What were your thoughts frommania and how the whole Travis

(01:52):
Scott situation imploded?

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Stupid, there's no other way to put it.
It's stupid.
Listen, I have probablyabsorbed, ingested, digested,
eaten, slept, drank such a largeamount of wrestling this week

(02:23):
from Saturday Actually I won'teven include Saturday From last
Sunday to right now, when we'redoing this recording, which is
on Sundays, posting on Mondaysthe amount of wrestling that I
have just been eating this week.
I don't think I've everingested so much wrestling

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information ever in all of mytimes of enjoying wrestling, and
it's mostly just been becauseof the fact of the absolute
tomfoolery that happened atWrestleMania absolute tomfoolery

(03:09):
that happened at wrestlemania.
I have because and there'salmost a part of me that's like
I almost might have like dug toodeep and found out more
information than I needed to, tothe point where I'm like damn,
am I putting the tinfoil hat ontoo?
Am I like?
Am I like buying into some ofthis extra, extra?
And I'll explain myself BeforeI do.

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Have you seen or heard the PatMcAfee show with Dwayne Johnson?

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yes, the bullshit that the Rock said about why he
didn't want to do the thing atMania.
He was like, oh man, I feellike the final boss doesn't want
to do the thing at mania.
He was like, oh man, I feellike the final boss doesn't need
to be here anymore.
You guys go for it.
You got it.
What wait?
What do you mean?

Speaker 2 (03:53):
you made this about you 100 and in the in this whole
process, because I, you know,we have the group chat that we
always bring up, which, for allintents and purposes, the reason
why this has even kind of begun, and so it's like I see the
things in the group chat, I talkto some of my more level-headed

(04:14):
friends that are into wrestlingand how they feel about certain
things and it's, and then Ialso went out and explored the
wild blue yonder of wrestlingpodcast stuff and let me just
say, in more ways than one, thisweek has been crash out week,

(04:35):
fam.
Literally.
People have been crashing outhard.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Literally.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
From busted open.
Yes, things like David BamCrash out season is among us.
There's this one guy I thinkhe's like his.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
It's like john, something I know you're talking
about he has like just like,yeah, he has like a new york
city background or somethinglike that.
He is the complete crash outbecause, like when he talks
about aw, the way he talkedabout this, it's like oh, I I
look at us as a podcast and I'mlike I think we're tame bros
very tame, oh very, but nowherenear like.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
I may get passionate about certain things, like the
horrible parenting skills of ourraw general manager and why
certain people shouldn't be inmatches or we should not reward
bad behavior, but I don't getthat crazy.
I might talk my shit about aw,but I'm not about to go full
crash out season on how badtheir collision might have been

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and how it didn't furthernothing but and we're, and we're
not saying it is bad, we're notsaying it is bad at all.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
What we're saying is there is a level of passion that
we're okay, I think I don'twant to say because we're in an
older like bracket of wrestlingfans, because these guys are
older than us.
It's just I guess we don't like, we don't get as upset, we'll
be like all right, so what areyou about to do with this?

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Like I'm mad, but what are youabout to do to fix this?
Because you gotta fix it,otherwise it's bad.
So we'll like it's like we'llfall off the ride for a second,
oh okay, but we'll get back on,like, okay, we'll, we ride it
out.
And some people are just notwanting to ride it out.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Listen, there are.
And then there are also somepeople who are just like who
will do the thing?
Where it's all like man, thisis trash.
Oh well, this is like how areyou just?
All right, I mean, if that'show you nonchalantly react to it
.
But get back to the whole thingwith the Rock.

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One of the things and I knowfor a good bit of it was just
because I'm like, am I the onlyone who's thinking this way?
And it's just because there's alot of people who are all like
I'm glad the Rock wasn't thereand I'm like I can understand
you not wanting Dwayne Johnsonin your soup.
All right, because you know theRock's kind of sort of kind of

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been a little recently.
But in regards to the situationthat's going on For it to make
sense, how can you sit here andbe all like thank God, the Rock
wasn't there, he was a?
key ingredient to the dish thatwas that match, and it's one of

(07:33):
those deals where there's a partof me that feels that, because
they could have easily justwritten off the Rock, all they
had to say, all John Cena neededto do was be like I used the
rock to get at cody rhodes.
The real reason why I'm doingthis is because of, and then

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move forward with everythingthat he has said thus far he
could.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
He could have even did a.
Um, I did it so that way I cancatch Cody being vulnerable
Because, like you know,something of that nature, right,
that would have made more sense.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Because then at that point we're like oh so the Rock
actually did not have anythingto do with it.
The Rock was just a small trickto set this whole thing
trickling down the lane.
All right, cool, that's fine.
But could you imagine we couldhave accepted that?

Speaker 1 (08:27):
But could you imagine , though like as much as Cena
was talking all that smack aboutthe Rock years ago for Mania
match, and like just the backand forth constantly picking at
him about you know, writing hispromo on his arm and all that
kind of stuff to them be the newHollywood power trip?
Like we as fans wanted that sobad.

(08:49):
We were supposed to get that.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
I won't even say, that's what we needed that's oh
no, that's what we needed.
We needed that so when it comesto that, I would say because,
only because the Rock madehimself relevant to the story is

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the only reasons why we neededit.
We did not actually need theRock period.
No, because take the Rock outof this situation honestly.
Everything, everything thathappened, especially with the
way that everything happened, ifif you just what is it?
what's that google phone thatthey got?

(09:33):
Now you use that google phoneto erase the rock in the travis
scott picture, kind of thing.
From elimination chamber allthe way to wrestlemania,
everything could have happenedexactly the same, like I mean,

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almost down to the t.
You know, like cody rose couldhave came out there to celebrate
with, with uh, with, with um,with john cena.
They're celebrating,celebrating Pyro goes off,
they're going for the hug andstuff like that.
John Cena's like kick him inthe nuts and then John Cena

(10:14):
beats the hell out of him in themiddle of the ring by himself.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
Apparently, from what Cena said, this turn wasn't
supposed to happen at well fromCena and Rock.
Apparently this turn wasn'tsupposed to happen at
Elimination Chamber.
This was supposed to happen atwell from Cena and Rock.
Apparently this turn wasn'tsupposed to happen at
Elimination Chamber.
This was supposed to happen atMania.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Oh, I'm going to get to that piece in a moment.
I'm just saying how everythingcould have happened the exact
same way that it did all the wayup to WrestleMania, with how
they currently did it.
With that, because, if youlisten out of all those little
presidential debate promos thatcody rhodes and john cena had,

(10:52):
cody rhodes only one time, onlyone time, brought up the fact
that he sold his soul to therock once, and then you know
what john cena did in responseto it?
He, no, sold it and completelyignored the whole.
I sold my soul to the rockthing.

(11:13):
All right.
So if, if they, if, if theywould not have brought it up
that time and then kept on goingforward, it would have been as
if the rock never happened.
But because the rock was there,and maybe, maybe you and I are
just weird people and with theway that we think, because, like

(11:36):
, there are people who I knowand there's especially some of
the people are like in our, inour wrestling chat, there are
just kind of like, yeah, no, I'mpretty cool with the fact that
the Rock did not show up not onetime throughout that whole
situation.
For the most part, they're alllike the.
They're like, the less DwayneJohnson on my TV, the better,
and I'm just like but, but, butthat doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
Well, I think I understand where they're coming
from because, as a fan of whothe Rock was, because as a fan
of who the rock was, I'm a fanof who the rock was.
This current rock, I'm not afan of it.
I'm kind of honestly over it.
So I can see where they'recoming from from that angle.
That angle of just seeing duanein general is like you're not
who you used to be and it's notlike in a.

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He can't be himself.
It's just the electricity.
He's a battery.
That battery is dying bro.
That electricity is.
It's not as electric as it wasbefore.
Right now it's like a staticshock or a dying battery.
It's just.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
It's just no more energy, bro I think a lot of
that, and especially with thestuff that I've been hearing and
seeing with these other peoplesand the tinfoil hat
conspiracies and what not,because a lot of people are out
here saying the fact that theybelieve that there's a power
trip going on between the Rockand Triple H because when he did

(13:02):
that interview, right, how hewas just kind of saying, like
you know, like a lot of peoplewere saying the fact that his
little H because when he didthat interview, right, how he
was just kind of saying, likeyou know, like a lot of people
were saying, the fact that hislittle cleanup was his, the
cleanup that he was doing wasalmost like a way of him being
all like, hey, listen, what allthat stuff that happened?
That wasn't my idea, that wastriple H and all them that's
that's just.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
That's just the rock being the rock and he's done as
much.
I think he's done this threetimes now because they've
apparently for somebody hadpointed out this is like the
third time the rock has had tocome on and interview some sort
and explain what he has donewrong about mania, like how he
has fucked up mania.
And I remember it was the oneum no, actually it was three

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times in a sense of a scenario.
So it was the, the Codysituation where he robbed Cody
of the match.
So he had to come on andexplain that.
And then the outcome of, um,something else.
I think it was at mania.
He had to explain that andthat's why we got that
documentary of the breakdown formania.
And then now he had to do itagain to explain what the hell

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was that dude like you just wantto show up the mania just to be
a part of it and like well, Idon't really actually want to be
a part of it, I just wanted tohelp make the magic and it's
like okay, but you as a wrestlerknow that storytelling is very
key to selling us to a match.
You have now inserted yourselfin a person.
We want no parts of ourwrestling because you know, we

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only got we only got one musicartist in the wrestling industry
that I know of that could be areally good wrestling.
That's Bad Bunny.
Ok, Bad Bunny was good.
Give that man some credit.
He was good.
He's not.
And I hate to's not, and I hateto say this, I hate to say this
.
Do not crucify me.

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He is not Logan Paul good, Imean.
I stand by that if we're talkingabout celebrities coming into
it that's fair.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
However, I believe Logan Paul has.
I mean no, no, no, you're right, I'll let it be.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
That's what I'm saying.
It's like one of those.
You may not like the dude, he'sdone some really bad stuff, but
man, if he was just a wrestlerright now, I low-key be like
expunged.
Expunged Some of of it, not allof it, but expunged.
Why some of that clean keepdoing this?
It's just like how people inmusic are there.

(15:33):
There are certain artists whohave done some very crazy things
, but when they drop an album,well all is forgiven.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
I mean you're not wrong.
Listen, if, if, if we canforgive and and still dance with
chris brown, then sure we canturn.
Turn a blind eye a little bitto the past.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
That is paul logan paul and we can talk about with
R Kelly.
You know, allegedly wheneverthat whole film came out and he
made step, step, side to sideand everybody completely forgot
that shit like.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
I mean listen everyone when it came to R Kelly
and even right now like peopleare doing the thing where it's
all like separate the art fromthe artist even right now,
people are doing the thing whereit's all like Separate the art
from the artist.
Honestly, that's where they'reat with that.
I'm on it too.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
I'm sorry, but trapped in the closet.
Trapped in the closet, bro.
He made AJ nothing but a number, even though it's a wild topic.
Butiyah made that song, thattoo, so it's like uh like I mean

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.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
I mean, you know, a lot of famous people piss on
other people.
I'm dead allegedly well, notwell, oh yeah, I don't know I
don't, I don't remember, I don'tremember it.
So I'm just saying allegedly,just in case I'm gonna say I
mean he's in jail right now, sohe did something he, oh yeah, he
, yeah, he did something.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
It was just he got a, he got uh, he was pled not
guilty for the first one.
That's why I'm saying, if it'sstill you got to still say
allegedly, because I don't thinkyou can double Jeopardy with
that one.
I think he could if he, if itwould be anything, would be
defamation, but like I ain't gotno money.
Yeah, I mean, his character isalready destroyed.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
but what two wrestling fan-negros gonna do to
hell.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
But getting back to the point at hand, this week of
wrestling man John Cena, dudeMichael Cole is calling him the
goat for a reason because, man,when it comes to talking, there
is no top and cena man.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
and this week was a proven fact because when john
cena's had to do damage control,literally like he.
And I have to say, even thoughI'm like maybe, maybe because
I'm bitter and I just haven'tlet it go just yet, but like,
like, it's almost like, likewith everything especially that

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has happened this week, it'salmost as if, like he's like hey
, forget about WrestleMania.
Put that all the way back there, just like it happened.
But but hey, john Cena ran theOrton.

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That's literally what it is.
Hey, paul Heyman is now withBronathan hey, that's fire.
Though that was fire hey, youknow how we picked the wrong tag
team titles to be in the mainevent of WrestleMania.
Main event on SmackDown Look atthat.

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T TLC.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
That TLC match?
Oh my God, can we not talkabout Tommaso Ciampa and shaving
his beard?
Oh no, bro, that was crazy.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
You literally opened up the bottom of his fucking
chin like bro, what are youdoing, oh?
Did you not have you seen thephoto?
Yeah, like he opened up to themeat and meat.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
Like you know, it was just crazy to see him shaved.
It was like what's going onhere?
But john cena man, um, I knowwe're technically going ahead,
but I just got to talk about it,man, because that promo with
him and Orton the first or thesecond one the second one.
The first one it wasn't reallythat much of a promo.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
It was more so like he came out of no, like Cena did
the promo, but like Orton justcame up, rko on Monday Night did
the promo but like Orton justcame up, rko On Monday Night Raw

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, the promo that John Cena didlike after, not even like after
hearing it and then like becausethen, like the next day was
when I like took this deep diveinto, like all of this
foolishness with the Rock.
But it's like after hearing it,then talking to some people,
and then hearing it again, I'mlike, oh, I see why this promo.
This promo was to try its bestin cleaning up the mess that was
WrestleMania.
Up the mess that wasWrestlemania.
Pretty much trying to.
It was John Cena's way of beinglike, hey, um, ignore the final

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boss garbage.
Uh, ignore that soul shit.
This is all about me getting my17 and ruining wrestling, which
he said all that the weeksprior, but there was still the
soul-snatching final boss stufflingering over.
Now that WrestleMania hashappened and now we know that

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the soul stuff is garbage andthe final boss apparently had
nothing to do with it, when weknow good and damn well that it
did.
It's just something happened inthe higher ups that we'll
probably never know and discoverand hear oh no, apparently the
the untold is coming out at somepoint, so we'll see.

(21:35):
Um listen I'm with the way thatI I've almost been convinced,
but with the way thateverything's kind of played out
with this, the things that I'veheard and then I've seen, and
then just kind of looking atlike the overallness of like the
stuff that has played outleading up to wrestlemania, at
wrestlemania, in thiswrestlemania, fallout like from

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triple h being defensive aboutyou know, like hey, just just
shut up and enjoy the ride, andthen the rock coming out here
saying like oh, this was alltriple h's idea, so you know,
I'm gonna let them do that theirthing.
I mean, I would have made acouple of changes myself
creatively, but you know, buthey, they listen.

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So that's, that's what I need.
I need Triple H because TripleH is not a GM.
I need Triple H and the finalboss as actual GMs.
Make it happen.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
That actually would be dope, I'd pay for that, I
already had a game and I'd tryit.
But here's the thing Since youbrought up the Mondayay promo, I
will say the monday promo wasjust as good, but the friday,
the friday one, that was justlike like okay.
So the when I brought up in thebeginning of the pod, I was

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talking about how stinabasically put a ticking time
clock or, you know, put a prettymuch a high alert of hey, you
have this many more dates, andafter that, if I still got this
belt, I'm gone and the belt goeswith me and I retire the belt.
So for him to pull it up on thetitantron of like you had 36

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dates and look what you've donesince that timeframe boom, boom,
boom and it's the day startdropping.
I was like, damn it, cena, Ilike what you're doing here and
it puts that sense of urgency,if not to the locker room, but
people who want to keep theprestige level of this title and

(23:41):
keep it going.
Because, yeah, as he goes intothe promo on friday, if he
leaves with this belt, randyorton's family, he, he can never
continue.
His it stops there at 14.
So any other person within thatyou know lineage or legacy.

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They all stop with cena in.
A new belt gets created.
Same thing with the worldheavyweight title.
That's a new belt.
That's not well.
Is it technically still thesame as the the big gold?
I don't think it's the same asthe big gold is it so?

Speaker 2 (24:16):
um, as far as its lineage, I think, goes, it is
supposed to be considered likethe, the upgrade and the next up
from the big gold.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
So yeah, so it has its own reign.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yeah, so it has its own reign which, from what I've
also think, I've come tounderstand I'll have to look it
up but it's like the WorldHeavyweight title, the one
that's in WWE, I think,technically is not connected to
wcw.
I don't think it is.

(24:50):
It's so, it's like.
So, like wc, the wcwheavyweight title is.
It still has its own entity andit has and it's, and it's, you
know, over there now and thenrecreated in its image, is the
World Heavyweight title.
And the World Heavyweighttitle's lineage has continued on

(25:11):
to up and to the point wherewe're at right now.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
And so.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Well, yeah, because, like, obviously, the regular,
the universal title is supposedto be the WWF or the WWE title,
and you remember the big goldwas the SmackDown title.
So I'm like, is this worldheavyweight title just another
variation of that?
Because, um, okay, so that'swhat I'm talking about.
So, if I don't think, there'snever been anybody who's retired

(25:39):
with the belt the worldheavyweight title the, not the
world heavyweight title, but theWWE, the WWE title or the
undisputed title.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
I don't think there's anybody's ever retired with um,
I'd have to do some research,because usually what ends up
happening for the wwe title?
No one has had the belt andthen retired with it and because
and even then the closest tosuch is someone will have the

(26:08):
belt and they would get hurt andthey have to relinquish, and it
becomes, uh, then the vacantchampion takes place, and so
which that's one of my favorite,like twitters uh, uh, where
it's the vacant is the person'sname.

(26:28):
Ah, yes, yeah, yeah yeah, that'sa fun Twitter to watch.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I loved how Cena did that.
I love how Cena did that.
It made me like it makes everyappearance now like bro,
somebody gotta get this belt offhim.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
It makes every appearance now feel like it
matters even more, and it alsoonce again does a great job of
making you forget everythingthat just got done, happening
because it was absolutely stupid.
But, of course, people like meare going to continue
remembering and talking about itbecause we're bitter.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
I mean, I'm bitter to an extent.
I'm bitter because the Rockagain does some bullshit, but
I'm happy with the outcomebecause Cena, as Carrick Cross
said, you got to be a goodsoldier.
I think it was Goldberg whotold him that, or whatever and

(27:31):
Cena said I think Bailey evensaid like something about Cena
saying you got to be a goodsoldier, taking something that
they give you and making itmagic.
Cena was given something, hesomehow made it magic, and the
magic to me was completely in myface, like the trick he's doing
.
The trick on Monday, friday washim revealing it.
And that was when Orton was likeyo man, I see what's wrong, you

(27:55):
need to have some damn kids.
And he was like you try to comeout here and make me feel some
type of way and then yourparents shame me.
Great job, buddy, buddy.
And then he just goes in oneverything.
He's like you know why I don'thave kids?
Because I've been taking careof these motherfuckers for the
last 25 years.

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And look at how they turned out.
And I was like cinema, cinema,right here it's.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
This John Cena Hill turn is very interesting to me
because like it is the classicsituation of when the good
superhero just has enough andsays, fucking, I'm not going to
be all superhero anymore.
And then it's like it is thatsituation where it's all like,

(28:50):
you know, people will be alllike, no, john cena, it's it's,
it's not like that.
And then in the middle ofsaying no, it's not like that,
then john cena sees somethingand it's all like oh, it's not
like that.
Huh, yeah, like when it.
Yeah, it's not like that.
Uh, yeah, like when it.
Yeah, it's not like that.
But but I can see it right,plain as day in front of my face

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.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
It's exactly like that and the, the fans keep
doing it too.
He'll be like man yo.
How is it that I was supposedto be this one person that
everybody wants me to be?
But then, for all these years,I keep hearing let's go, cena,
cena, suck chance.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
And then, immediately after that, they'll do it, and
it's just like bruh, it's um,it's one of those deals where
it's like which I believe healso kind of has made the
statement where it's likebecause the crowd it's like what

(29:47):
.
It's one of those deals whereit's like when you're trying to
get the crowd to do something,but the way you get the crowd to
do it is by making them feel asif it's their idea to do it,
even though you're completelyworking them into doing it.
You know, it's like one thingwhere it's all like hey, jump
off the cliff.
And it's like I'm not going tojump off the cliff and then it's
all like, hmm, man, onlypussies wouldn't jump off this

(30:11):
cliff.
I ain't no pussy Watch.
It's like one of those kind ofthings and that's literally what
John Cena's been doing thiswhole time.
And it's one of those dealswhere I'm just like, I guess
just for it, because at the endof the day, which is another
thing I've discovered this weekwell, I don't say I've
discovered, but that has beenmade very apparent to me this

(30:33):
week is that it's always aboutthe money Spider-Man.
It's always about the moneySpider-Man Because John Cena
could have easily turned heeland, honestly, looking at how
this is, john Cena turning heelwould have been a cakewalk.

(30:56):
They just didn't want to do it.
Why?
Because of the money.
But now they got all the moneythey can ever ask for.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
So they're just like, yeah, if we can do that, we can
run that I love also, cenacoming out to a new shirt every
week.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Every week.
It's funny.
Yeah, he comes out to a newshirt every week after he's all
like there ain't gonna be no newshirts.
Alright, Maybe there will benew shirts.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
And they're always themed to the city he's in or
the state.
In Vegas, sure he had a UKshirt.
Now he had a.
Where were they?
At St Louis?
Yeah, there you go.
They had it in their font andstuff like that.
So it's like it's marketing andhe can play.

(31:46):
It says you know why I came outwith a new shirt every week is
because this is the last realshirt you ever get from a
champion, something like that.
I feel like he can explain that.
But um, the one thing I don'tlike about this whole thing with
cena is like he keeps gettingdropped in every one of these
scenarios.
I don't like it Like he talksbig shit and then every time

(32:11):
every encounter with Codycrossroads, every encounter with
Orton RKO it's like, bro, canCena look good at the end of
these plays?
Can we not have him on his backafter saying this really strong
promo and then get flayed outflat?

Speaker 2 (32:30):
it gives me Bray, wyatt feels you know but, unlike
Bray, wyatt Cena can take thatshit on the chin.
You know why?
Cause he's John fucking Cena.
You're right, he doesn't listen, he could.
Number one, he's a heel Alright, he's a bad guy.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
And if he really wanted to to a certain degree.
Honestly, I would really likeit if he was, but he could be
one of those shit-eating badguys, you know.
But the thing is he's too goodof a wrestling character to
actually do that.
But, like all the rest of JohnCena's matches, he could, for

(33:10):
all intents and purposes, spendthem getting his ass kicked and
then kick somebody in nuts, hithim with the belt and get the
win Every single time.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
I wouldn't have no problem with that I'm just
talking about in these promos.
He has to have some moments ofhim at least triumphing.
You know what I'm saying?
Like having something.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
So the reasons why that he does not need that is
because when he comes out there,sam, he is taking a big cow pie
dookie on the whole crowd, abig one Steaming Okay, and

(33:53):
you're trying to say you want toget, you want John Cena to come
out there and shit on everybodyfor 10 minutes and walk away
unscathed.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
At least one time.
I don't need it every time,just one.
I want him to be able to raisethe bell and it be just like
boos, like you know how someheels do.
What happened I?

Speaker 2 (34:13):
don't know what he's supposed to do.
Is he's supposed to take that?
Or he just leaves the ring,like he did with Cody, and then
later on that would work, thatwould work too.
Or he just leaves the ring,like he did with Cody, and then
later on that would work too,and then maybe later on he
attacks him from behind and dothe heel thing.
But it's like that's not.

(34:37):
No, there's got to be someretribution for those harsh and
rude and mean words that Mr JohnCena has said.
You can't let that, you can'tlet him do that, and especially
considering the way that thiswhole layout is right now.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
No, no, can't do that Again, just like how you had
wishful thinking with Gunter.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
let me have my wishful thinking about Cena in
that sense pause, ooh, speakingof Gunther, though, when I was
saying that it was crash houseseason, brother, everybody is
crashing out hard right now,gunther being one of them

(35:28):
individuals and you know what,once again trying to, which it
was very interesting to me goingback and listening to all these
things I've ingested and heardthis weekend people actually
giving that match between thetwo of them, praise.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Wait, you talking about J J Uso and Gunther.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
You're not about to.
No, you gaslighting me?
No, you ain't about to do that.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
You ain't about to do that there are folks who are
out there who have actuallygiven the match praise, which is
crazy to me.
The one particular person whogave it praise I was actually
very surprised that they gave itpraise, but it's one of those
things, I think, because hehimself is a wrestler like he

(36:24):
saw it in a very different light, which was Stephen Richards.
He actually said that he thoughtthis match was good, like he
liked it, which his his spin onit and I heard someone else put
the spin on it as well was thefact that it's like, and it's

(36:46):
one of those deals where I feelas if I think they're looking at
it as a match in itself, notpaying attention to all the
outside stuff.
But in the match, you know, Jay,he did the thing where, or at
least the way that he was tryingto infer it and how he digested

(37:07):
, it was the fact that Jay wentin there and he used his arsenal
against him of mind play thathe kind of sort of put against
Gunther in that match, which hedid do that because he went in

(37:30):
there and he did the Gunther'spowerbomb and he finished him
with Gunther's neck chokeout,and he was saying the fact that
to him it made perfect sense whyGunther would tap out so
quickly, because Gunther's notused to being put in his own

(37:51):
attacks and put in his own moves, and so I guess the way that he
digested was like you know,when he put him in that
chokehold, gunther panickedbecause like, oh, no one chokes
me out what's happening and blah, blah, blah.
So I was like so kind of likehow Chris Benoit and Kurt Angle

(38:14):
would immediately tap out theirsubmissions in that submission
match to save their limbs yeah,kind of like a sort of thing
like that, almost to a certaindegree like I don't want to get
choked out yeah, and so it waslike that, that particular idea,
and there was one other personwho also kind of had that same

(38:36):
idea and thought and I'm justlike that's a very interesting
way to look at it, and maybejust because I'm, to a certain
degree, such a casual fan that Iwouldn't see it.
But when you look at everythingelse and the buildup

(38:58):
sacrificing the brother, beatinghim bloody, licking his blood
and rubbing it on your bodytranslating to other beating him
bloody, licking his blood andrubbing it on your body,
translating to I panicked so Itapped out Nah, I can't, I can't
get rid of it.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
There's no explanation somebody can give me
.
That's what I'm saying.
Somebody gaslit you Out to me,stephen Richard, gaslit you and
say, no, it was a good match.
Think about it.
No, you're not about to do that.
You're not about to do that.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
You're not about to do that at all.
But one thing that was also saidwas the fact that if Gunther
was going to take a loss in sucha way like that, especially
with it being so well, I don'twant to call it squeaky clean,

(39:46):
but jay did beat him clean.
There was no cheating involvedon either parts.
And so, considering the factthat he lost like that because
in my mind I'm like, damn,gunther's image is going to get
shot, but how do you keep some?
How do you keep a big bad man'simage from being shot?

(40:08):
You make him go out there anddo big bad things.
And what better way thanthreaten michael cole, attempt
to choke him out and insteadchoke out pat mack yo, did you
see that video?

Speaker 1 (40:24):
It was a video somebody did where it was like
the minute he smacks the headsetoff him and he closes his eyes
and it shows the dog.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Like he just knew.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Yes, yes, I'm almost positive.
I saw that and I shared it onone of our pages because that
shit had me because it took me asecond to get it.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
I was like he's, like he knew he was cooked.
Are you talking about Pat?
And then I looked at it asecond time, but I see Michael
Colton that's what it was myColton's like.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Well, today's the day today's the day he knew it was
over he didn't fight.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
It's just crazy, but that like I'm.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
I'm glad that that happened, because in my mind,
funny enough, because it wasStephen Richards who said that,
and then it happened.
I'm like, oh he's right,because, boy, we was really
about to have Gunther out herelooking like a bitch and tap it
out the way he did.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
I was like but to then beat up I mean obviously
that is a very heelish thing todo is beat up somebody like an
announcer, but it's just one ofthose like man.
Could it not have been?

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Crash out season dog.
He just needed to get his handson somebody and beat their ass.
And that it was Michael ColeAlso, because Michael Cole also
did say some shit.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
Although it's kind of funny.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Yeah, he said he got choked out.
Yeah, Well, it's kind of funnybecause of the fact, like I know
it's not, it's definitely not,but like AEW just got done,
doing this angle, I'll explain.
Last week FTR was it last week,Maybe it was two weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
Are you talking about the Edge?
Thing?

Speaker 2 (42:27):
Well, so on Dynamite, one of the Dynamites last week.
I'm pretty certain it was lastweek.
No, it was Collision.
It was Collision because it hadJesus.
Why do I blank on this dude'sname, but the British guy that's
usually with Nigel?

(42:47):
Oh he did the apology.
Ftr was out there and then theycalled in the other announced
guy to come into the ringbecause they're buddies or
whatever.
He's all like hey, so FTR wasall like so, like you were

(43:09):
talking about some stuff, sayingabout my daughter and how she
would be disappointed in whatI've done, and yeah, no, you
should probably keep my family'sname out of your mouth, so I'm
gonna need you to apologize.
And home was all like well, I'mnot sorry for what I said, I
stand by it.
Like what you guys did was badand it was wrong, and like I

(43:33):
just felt that, like you know, Ifeel as if that she would
probably be disappointed in theway that you acted.
And then they scooped homie upand was about to do like a spike
power driver to him in themiddle of the ring.
But Nigel jumped up on theapron and was all like you put
him down, leave him alone.
And that's when Danny Garciacame out there and all the other

(43:54):
stuff and Danny's boys came outthere to stop him.
And then they had that match atthe end where Danny Garcia's
homies got the shit beat out ofthem and all this blah, blah.
So like that happened there andthen now Wrestlemania passed.
This Monday this happens, butthe difference was the fact that

(44:21):
I mean slight differencebecause no one extra came out
there, but Pat McAfee did comein there to try and help him,
but Gunther actually pulled thetrigger and choked out Pat
McAfee.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
I think that's when Hunter was like I saw that angle
hold my beer.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
I mean I doubt it.
I think that's what Hunter waslike.
Oh, I saw that angle.
Hold my beer.
I mean I doubt it, but it wasjust like a comparison.
I was like this looks familiar.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
And man, you even say to yourself there's no original
ideas in wrestling.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Boy, let me tell you.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
You said it, yo damn so.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
I wasn't expecting just to see it so quickly.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
You know we're not going to question basically how
that kind of stuff goes down,but I know what we can do
because we've been talking aboutthe crazy wacky world of
wrestling this week.
I know we got some questionsourselves that we need to finish
because we've been dancingaround these questions for our
last couple of episodes.
We got some questions ourselvesthat we need to finish because
we've been, um, we've beendancing around these questions

(45:22):
for our last couple of episodes.
I think we're finishing it offtoday.
So you got three well,technically three of them,
that's, you had two, but thethird one I remember it was
supposed to be us about thegimmick, right, or is that one
of them?

Speaker 2 (45:35):
No, it was.
It was just okay to be us aboutthe gimmick, right, or is that
one of them?

Speaker 1 (45:38):
no, it was, it was just okay.
I thought it was that in thegame.
Okay, I thought it was three.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
I'm sorry so, so the we're gonna go straight to
questions.
The first thing, that's the the.
The first one, which I feel isa easier thing to wrap your
brain around, is what is itabout wrestling that does it for
is?
What is it about wrestling thatdoes it for you?
What is it about wrestling thatkeeps you coming back?

(46:02):
Why are we here?

Speaker 1 (46:08):
It's, obviously it's.
I stutter when I say this realquick because it's like it's a
very difficult thing to explainto somebody who doesn't consume
the product the way I'm about tosay it, but it's something
about the story itself thatwrestling creates Somehow.

(46:28):
I know, obviously, that youknow it can be given to be
rigged on that kind of stuff.
But there is these stories thatyou're telling me that draw me
in, that build me up for thesecharacters and say I need to see
that match.
I think Jim Cornette did a, a,a thing where he explained about
uh, you see, this guy who getsbullied by this other guy, uh,

(46:51):
on the side of the road, oh no,excuse me, oh no, excuse me.
He's getting bullied by thisreally big guy.
He's doing really mean thingsto him, calling him mean things,
pour a bucket of water over hishead, just picking on him, and
stuff like that.
You, he watch it and you'rejust like man, I want that dude
to just get his comeback moment,just like, knock him the hell
out.
And you keep seeing it forweeks and weeks and weeks.
And then suddenly you see them.

(47:13):
You're driving down the roadand that same guy is getting
picked on by him, but you'repassing by and you're like I
want, I want to see him get helpor whatever.
And somehow that guy says youknow what?
I had enough.
I'm going to see him at the bar, I'm going to go there.
And you're like man, I see thatit's.

(47:33):
It's the story of like youseeing the underdog story.
You're seeing the compellingstory of how somebody is trying
to make it out or trying to dowhat they do, and you want to be
on that journey with them.
You kind of feel connected tothem, like I don't even like you
know, but you do.
And the story is one part thatdraws me back in.

(47:54):
But the biggest part is theathletic spectacle that is
wrestling.
They're so like man, these guysare training and they're doing
some of the most crazy shit thatyou see in wrestling.
I think undertaker said.
Undertaker said to himself whenhe was looking at logan paul
and that backflip he did atmania.

(48:15):
He he says, bro, that's videogame shit.
Like what the fuck?
What do you?
What do you mean?
You did that.
And Logan was like I don't, Idon't ever want to do that one
again, cause I was so terrifiedI missed that spot.
But um, a part of it also isnostalgic for me because, you

(48:35):
know, or tradition, becausesince I've been since I was like
what?
Maybe four, I was at 13,something, maybe 12 I've been
watching this like as a familytradition.
You know, I don't I, I got myfriends, I got the people who
watch it with me or, like youknow, watch it together.

(48:57):
But it's such a evolving doorto think that this product is
365.
There's no breaks, there's noseason, it just keeps going.
And I feel like, for a lot offans, you can rely on the fact
that every Monday, for the last,how how many years has Raw been

(49:18):
going on?
Raw's been going on for maybe50 years almost.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
No no.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Like 40-some shit.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Well, wrestlemania has been going on for 41 years.
If you're talking about Rawspecifically I don't know the
exact number, me neither allcame out like, and I think the
first episode of raw was likesomewhere in like like 94, 95.
I mean we have as, as uh, chrisflanvey says, we, we have the

(49:52):
world's information in the palmof our hands so, uh no, I
apparently need to get thisshirt because it says why do I
need Google?

Speaker 1 (49:59):
My wife knows every fucking thing, because my wife
sometimes is literally goddamnGoogle, but in a sense no.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
What does that mean you?

Speaker 1 (50:08):
might know.
Hell, no, that motherfuckerdon't know this shit.
But either way, the thing aboutthe thing about what human
nature is that we are very weare used to routines, right, and
there's something about theroutine of every Monday.

(50:30):
You can come to this, you cancome to the show, you can come
to this thing and they're goingto tell you a story.
They're going to draw you in.
You're going to be connectedwith multiple people who also
enjoy this thing.
You're going to tell you astory.
They're going to draw you in.
You're going to be connectedwith multiple people who also
enjoy this thing.
You're drinking alcohol, you're.
You're shouting your favoritecharacter's name.
There's something about thattribalism, almost, and that that
routine of constantly doingthat.

(50:51):
You just can't stop it.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
That's by January 11th 1993.
That was the first one.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
But I feel that I see where you're coming from Very
deep.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
You asked me a deep-ass question.
Pause.
You asked me a question thatwas very deep to me.
Yes, 32 years, by the way.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
And so uh damn, that's like.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
That's like literally .
Besides two years, that'sliterally my whole life.
Okay, like 32.
That's like literally my wholelife.
All right, bro, so that's.
I've been watching it for years.
But continue, go ahead, go withyou.
Sorry, I mean you're correct.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
I mean because I'm the same way, if anything in
comparison.
I've actually been watching itprobably since 1993.
I don't have a whole lot ofmemories from 1993.
I was only two years old at thetime, but I also know wrestling
was always on in this house.

(52:04):
And so because, as I said prior, my grandmother used to watch
wrestling with her stepdad, mymom watched it with her granddad
, my brother watched it with mymom and I came out the womb
watching it with her granddad,my brother watched it with my
mom and I came out the wombwatching it with them, and so
it's, uh, it's.

(52:25):
It's always been there and it'slike, literally, as you said,
when it comes to that routine,it's.
It's also always been bakedinto my routine throughout my
life, and so I know for me, thething that I think keeps me
coming is just, it is.

(52:45):
I enjoy.
I enjoy the spectacle that iswrestling.
I love watching it.
I love the fighting.
I like fighting of all kinds,but the easiest to get to
fighting for me has always beenwrestling.

(53:05):
I'll watch some UFC when I can,but UFC is never just put in
your face like how wrestling is.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
Yeah, you got to be on Twitter for that shit, for,
like, the back and forth forthose, for those fighters.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
Yeah, and I'm I'm lazy, all right, I'll, easily
I'll.
I'll tell you straight up whenit comes for me getting my
entertainment, I am very lazy.
I I need it to be put into myface.
I need it to be put in a spotwhere I now have to mentally

(53:46):
make time to watch it, or I'mjust not going to end up seeing
it or I'm missing, and wrestlingright now is the only thing
that does that for me.
Like because, let it be known,sure it's on Netflix, you can
watch the replay, but the replayis never as good as seeing it,

(54:11):
as it's exactly happening.
And that's with anything that Iwatch.
When it comes to anime, I lovewatching anime, but number one
anime does not come on at 8, 30,you know, at 8, 30, 9, 30
eastern anymore, and it comes onwhenever you make time to watch

(54:33):
it kind of thing.
And I'm very much a person whoI don't like them.
I don't, I can't quite maketime to watch.
I can't make time to watchanime If anime has not given me
a time to watch it.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
So you don't.
You don't like binging, youlike the fact that it's, it's
raw, it's in the moment, like,if episode comes out this day,
it puts you in a position whenyou have to be like, okay, I
gotta make time to watch itbecause you gave me a time, you
gave me a place where I need towatch it and I will have to be
there if I need to see itcorrect.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
I was a big believer in them times where they'll be
all like hey yo, the newest,never before seen episode of
this particular thing comes onat 9 o'clock.
When that happens, I will doeverything within my power of

(55:29):
duty in life to make surenothing is going to stop me from
watching this premiere episodeat nine o'clock.
But now, with the way thatstreaming works and stuff like
that, it's like we're on on july8th.

(55:49):
We're just going to give youthe full season of this show.
Oh, okay.
Well, if the whole season isout eventually, I guess I'll see
it.
There's nothing that is givingme the urgency to just want to
go and watch it right then andthere.
Now, to a certain degree,depending on how good the show

(56:15):
is or considering how manypeople are watching it that I
know of who are watching itright now, like something like
game of thrones, like no, I'mbecause I know game of thrones
drops at nine o'clock on onsundays because of the urgency
of needing to see that show.
Yes, I will make the time towatch it when it drops,

(56:37):
specifically then, because thenthere is that factor which
bringing it back around here.
There is that factor that if Idon't watch it right then, and
there I'm going to miss out orsomeone's going to.
I'm not going to have a chanceto talk to somebody about what

(56:59):
happened when certain thingshappened in that show.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
Do you remember back in the 90s when we couldn't film
anything?
So if you missed it, you missedit.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
Exactly, and there are very, very few shows of any
kind that gives me that sense ofurgency to want to see it, like
wrestling does Consistently.
Now I will say I've had timeswhere I've fallen off from

(57:33):
wrestling.
Yeah, like it happens to anywrestling fan, but those very
few times where I would fall offlike, especially like this last
particular time, I stoppedwatching wrestling because I was
sad and I was depressed becauseit was reminding me of
something that I couldn't haveat the time and so, like because

(57:54):
it was so attached to somethingthat I couldn't have, it was
like I don't want to see thisbecause it's just going to
remind me of that thing that'snow missing, type deal.
But since then I'm you know,it's like when Monday night raw
comes on, I'm watching it rightthen and there Cause cause with

(58:14):
wrestling.
For me still it's like.
It's like that whole like ifyou don't watch, if you don't
watch it when it first comes on,you're missing out.
And sometimes you do becausewhen you're watching it live,
sometimes when you watchsomething live, they now they go
back and they like edit shitand take it out and tweak and

(58:38):
fix, and so I don't know whyBack in the day when you'd see
something and all of a suddensomeone grabbed the wrong part
and all of a sudden it's like,oops, their ass ended up being
shown on the camera because ofthe quick wardrobe fuck up or

(59:01):
whatever it's like nowadays.
If that happened the next timeyou watch it over, that whole
piece will be gone.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
Yeah, like remember when Mae Young in 2000,.
Like Royal Rumble 2000, whereshe actually flashed the
audience.
If you watch that live, oh, yousaw that.
If you go get the tape it's noton there, but you saw that.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
And that's something that is loved and cherished when
it comes to wrestling, andthat's part of the reasons why
it keeps me coming back becausethere's always something within
the content of wrestling andthis is across all wrestling
aboard where there is, if notall of it's, for me, at least

(59:55):
there's like one bit that's inthere that I'm just like all
right, I want to see this, Iwant to see where this goes, I
want to see what happens with it.
And because of the fact, youknow, with the way that we know,
because we all, we all knowit's a work, as as as Dwayne has
made that very clear to us, youknow it has made that very
clear to us.

(01:00:15):
You know it's a work.
We're all being worked here,and so I enjoy the work, even at
this point in the game, whereit's like so much of wrestling
is like you know, we are nowactually getting to see the

(01:00:37):
people who are writing thescripts.
We know the fact that before amatch, there is a match agent.
That's like all right, so whenyou go out there, you're going
to do this, this, this, this,this, this, this, this and this.
All right, don't deviate fromthe plan.
Do everything that I say, andmatch ends cool, as opposed to
knowing that they're going outthere and they're just like
going having a banger and youknow I mean we know it still

(01:01:00):
happens to a certain degree.
You know where they'rediscussing what's happening in
the match or you know the flowor whatever.
But it's like, even with likeeverything, you know the the
wool kind of pulled back.
You know it's there's still apart of it that is still very
fun to watch, very entertaining,is like now it's all like oh,

(01:01:23):
so these are the crazy thingsthat are going on behind the
scene.
Now it's like, okay, so I seewhat they're happening behind.
That's what's happening behindthe scene.
But how is it gonna getpresented when they put it on TV
?
Now there's like this weird newlayer of wrestling that has now
developed with this now showingwhat's happening in the

(01:01:48):
background versus the front kindof thing, because before it was
all like man, I wonder whatthey're doing back there.
Now it's all like man, I seewhat they're doing back there.
So what's going to happen ontonight's tv?
It's like it's almost as if itgot reversed now, but it's like
it's that particular bit thatkeeps me wanting to come back

(01:02:10):
because I want to know what'sgoing to happen and, unlike game
Game of Thrones, it takes Gameof Thrones two to three years
before I can get my next nineepisodes, as opposed to it's
only going to take seven daysfor me to get my Not even seven

(01:02:30):
days.
Seven days for me to get mynext episode of Raw, but only
four more days for me to get mynext episode of SmackDown, and
even sooner.
I got some NXT and AEW and TNAin the middle of it to fill up
my time while I'm waiting forwhat I really want to see on

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SmackDown.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
It keeps you going.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
Keeps me going At this point point because there
is so much time for me to needto watch, and want to watch
wrestling.
It's like, uh, I have to reallyfigure out when I'm going to
watch anime, because, becausewrestling is happening right now

(01:03:16):
, as opposed to like anime isalready now happened, so I'm not
waiting for new episodes, kindof thing.
So it's like, as the episodesbuild up, I'm like, well, I mean
, eventually I guess I can watchit, as opposed to that urge and
that need to want to go see itright then and there when it
happens.
But we don't get that no morewith current tv and the only

(01:03:40):
thing that still gives me thatis wrestling.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
Yep, I get that.
I get that again.
It's that tribalism, is thatroutine that also comes with it
as well.
Like you said before, you'vebeen watching this since you've
been out the womb.
Why, if it's still here and itstill gives me that same feeling
, it still keeps pulling me backin?
Why, why do I stop watching it?

(01:04:06):
I'm not gonna stop watching it.
Then it's gonna keep going and,especially, you're gonna tell
me new stories.
You're gonna keep pulling me in.
And it's always because, as asany wrestling fan, you're gonna
have a moment where you'rewatching it and there's
something about wrestling that'slike man.
It's always because, as anywrestling fan, you're going to
have a moment where you'rewatching it and there's
something about wrestling that'slike man, it's freaking, sucks,
man, I can't stand it.
And then it pulls you rightback in.
You're like.
You know, I was done with you,but now you got me back in

(01:04:31):
because, like the Seth Rollinsthing, with Braun coming in, it
was like oh man, this wholething is going to be stupid,
this, this.
Coming in, it was like oh man,this whole thing is going to be
stupid, this, this.
And it's boom.
You get Braun coming in.
It's like, oh, now the whole,now the whole world is like the
shield photos with Braun and uh,paul Heyman and Seth Rollins

(01:04:51):
and new evolution.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
That's just hilarious .
I've seen the the the photos oflike they attack the faces on
them, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
So like Paul Heyman's on Roman Reigns, which is funny
, but it's like those things,it's like that also.
Just the community that iswrestling just keeps pulling you
back in, and it's like the manyyou want like, alright, let me
get out the pool, let me get outthe pool.
And it's like, oh nah, let mego ahead and get back in.
And it's like the many you wantlike, alright, let me get out
the pool, let me get out thepool.
And it's like, oh nah, let mego ahead and get back in.

(01:05:21):
And it just keeps pulling youback in every time, every time.
So I think, yeah, it does notstop, and I think that's the
thing about wrestling that keepsme going and I think you could
agree, that's the thing thatkeeps you going 100% there's I
don't know, and I think youcould agree that's the thing
that keeps you going 100%, 100%.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
I don't know what wrestling would have to do to
make me, full on, just be likeI'm not going to watch it.
Because the only reason why Istopped watching because I've
only ever stopped watchingwrestling once and the reasons
why I stopped watching it hadnothing to do with the product

(01:06:03):
itself.
It was outside of my personalshit that made me stop watching
wrestling, and so the only othertime I had a time where I
stopped watching wrestling wasbecause I just physically
couldn't, because I didn't havethe cable.
Now I've stopped watchingwrestling to a certain degree

(01:06:28):
where I might not watch one ofthe shows.
There was a very long timewhere I did not watch SmackDown.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
Yeah, I would just watch the YouTube highlights and
stuff.
Yeah, I didn't watch SmackDown.
Yeah, I would just watch theYouTube highlights and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Yeah, I didn't watch SmackDown, I didn't even watch
the YouTube highlights.
I just, on Raw, I watched theSmackDown rewind that they would
do when they would do, like,hey, by the way, this is what
happened on SmackDown last weekand I'll look at that and then,
and I'd keep week and I'll lookat that and then and I'd keep

(01:06:59):
pushing and I would just watchit all.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
Same thing with WrestleTalk.
There are times where I'm likeman, I don't feel like watching
this and I'll just letWrestleTalk tell me what
happened, and they're like oh,that's crazy.
Alright, see you next week, Seeyou tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
Alright, listen.
I know a lot of people whoactually still do that now, like
they won't actually watch theshows, but they will watch the
reviews of the shows which to acertain degree, is like it kind
of confuses me.
I'm like, so you don't want towatch the actual show, but you

(01:07:36):
still keep up by watching thewhy?
Why do you not just watch theshow?
But at that point it evenfurther goes to show you the
fact that, like the story soimportant because on the review
they're not giving you theplay-by-play of what happened in
the match.
Like all right, so he kickedhim and then he did this and he
didn't know there was like sothey fought and was his name

(01:08:01):
lost, but at the end of thematch he grabbed the microphone
and he said this, did that, andthen he jumped and beat him up
and blah, blah, blah and youknow, and that's, and that's the
part that we like the wrestling, as they always say.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
It's just a plus and I agree depending on, yeah,
depending on the map, the likethe wrestling, as they always
say, it's just a plus and Iagree, depending on yeah,
depending on the map, the like,the, the wrestlers themselves,
like, there are certainwrestlers that we're gonna like
oh man, you're in that match,that shit about the fire.
There's some people that's like,uh, I guess well.
And then all of a suddenthere's a plot or a story like
like, like I said before, youremember, you remember me, my in

(01:08:37):
my, my dislikes of the Miz,right, remember, I said I'm not
really a huge fan of the Miz,this, this and that.
But whenever he did that promoon Daniel Bryan, I said all
right, miz, I'm locked in whatyou got going on, bro, I'm here
for it.
Now I'm here, and that is thebeauty behind like wrestling,
it's.
You may not be a fan ofsomething, you may not like

(01:09:00):
something at one point, but it'sgoing to be something.
That's going to be some magicalmoment that just pulls you in.
And even though that was on asmack talk, well, I was watching
SmackDown that next weekendbecause I wanted to see if they
were going to continue with that.
Or was that just a moment?

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
It's wrestling, it really is wrestling and,
honestly, especially when itcomes to on that particular
level of the moments and thethings that keep drawing you in,
I definitely harp on themoments and the things that keep
drawing you in, like, Idefinitely harp on the fact of
like the story, because, likewrestling's storytelling, um,

(01:09:49):
the way that they, the way thatthey present things and they
show it, and the way that likewraps you in, like gets you so
involved sometimes more involvedthan you even realize that you
are kind of thing like that thatspecific bit about wrestling is

(01:10:11):
what I know for certain is thething that keeps me coming back
every single time, because like,especially, like, especially
when they do it right.
There was a time and it's funnybecause, like, there was a time
where WWE was not doing it right, and you know what I did?
I started watching TNA instead,and, and so even when I wasn't

(01:10:38):
watching WWE, I was stillwatching wrestling, just in a
different outlet, because theywas giving me that nourishment
that I needed for story andmatch that follows it and the
build and the payoffs and allthis other good stuff Like it's.

(01:10:58):
It keeps me locked in.
It also makes me enjoywrestling even more.
Because then, going from when Iwas a kid to even now, I then
play the wrestling games and Imake up my own goddamn stories.

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
I mean, that's the whole point of GMO.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
Listen when I play GMO'd on the game right now,
even though there's no realquote-unquote story per se.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
But you create it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
But in my head you know there is one, even though I
know there's not an actualstory and whether it because,
like GMO, like you can make arivalry happen and you know you
can keep that rivalry going onfor a number of weeks, kind of
thing, but it's like there's nosaying.

(01:11:53):
All right, so what this?
What was this rivalry about?
Why did they?
But my head cannon kicks in.
Which then now I'm like, yeah,I'm making, what was this
rivalry about?
Why did they?
But my head cannon kicks in.
Which then now I'm like, yeah,I'm making Cody Rhodes and the
Undertaker face each otherbecause of because he interfered
in a match and he has the belt,and Undertaker doesn't like him

(01:12:15):
because of this and the other.
And I'm just like, yeah, yeah,this is great, yep, and I'm
gonna make them fight and let'ssee who wins.
And then I go from there.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
It's just, it's fine it's, it's a lovely thing.
It is a a lovely thing that iswrestling.
And you know, since we'retalking about exactly what pulls
us in, you know, say, if we gotto the point where we got
pulled in so deep that we said,hey, what if I actually became a

(01:12:45):
wrestler, what would that looklike?
And I think that's your nextquestion, am I correct?
It is so just for the audiencesake.
Did I word it the right way, orlike no?

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
not necessarily.
I mean I got, I have toactually look at myself.
I mean, that is the question it.
The way that I specificallywrote it out was what is pretty
much just like what is yourwrestling name and gimmick?

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
if you are an actual wrestler so do I just give you
the gimmick and the name andthat's it?
How far do you want me to gointo it?

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
give me whatever you got like.
What's your uh, your wrestlingpersona?
What's your gimmick?
I mean, if you want to includeyour finish, that's.
That's cool too, like sobecause I took.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
I took so much influence from taz and like jo,
um, a little bit of Penta, withlike the, the style and
everything and that nature.
Um, I came up with the namecage, came up with the name cage
and I and I and I sat here, myname was very difficult.
The name, the name part wasjust, uh, it was the toughest

(01:14:16):
part because, you know, I seemyself as the Mazaku and that's
just who I am and to be like.
Well, I mean, that would be adifficult character to make as a
wrestling character and mainlybecause, remember, we had the
conversation of Monster and youknow what that is.

(01:14:39):
It's basically category to mewith a name like that.
It categorized me in thatmonster area.
It's what I felt.
It's what I felt I don't knowwell.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
I mean so I believe you've said it before but what
is mazuku?

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
uh, the mazuku is basically a demon, it's.
It's a different form of demons, a different form of a japanese
demon.
Whereas akuma is demon, themazuku is a demon, just a
different type of demon.
But, uh, the influence camefrom yu yu hakusho and yu y Yu
Hakusho.
And Yu Yu Hakusho, yusukeUrameshi.
He dies for the second time.

(01:15:22):
There's no spoiler alert forthis.
This anime came out in the 90s,so if you didn't see, you
didn't see it.
The second time he dies, hebecomes the Maziku and it's an
ancestral demon that was passeddown through his genetics and he
becomes this beast of some sort.

(01:15:43):
Where he is, his hair grows out, he gets tattoos and he just
gets really aggressive as hell.
It it breathes monster.
So a name like the Maziku to meit breathes, my it breathes
monster.
Even when I did content on liketiktok with the name, like that

(01:16:04):
was kind of like the samuraicharacter.
I mean, he was a monster.
So that's why I made chugi, andchugi was my softer side.
So, uh, he was the comp, he wasthe comic relief, he was the
comic character, whereas themasuku was militant.
He, he was very, you know,cutthroat and that's just what
it was.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
So he's.
I was the one who, uh, you knowmore so was, like you know, a
drink from the Gore.

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
Yeah, yeah, that that was him.
Yeah, so it's more funnier side.
You know what I'm saying.
It's the goofier side, whereasthe Moscow he came up, he was
very, like I said, straight,cutthroat and straight to the
point, and I think I evenshowcased a little bit of that
when I first started doing theTekken intros.
There was one where I did twodifferent intros.

(01:16:50):
I did like the stern, you knowcold character and I did the
cocky character.
That's basically the origins ofthe Masako, and Chugi, like the
show-off character, wastechnically how chugi was.
Chugi didn't come out until, um, well, I say come out, since
it's the second personality, but, like as as a character, he
didn't truly show up until Istarted doing the mortal combat

(01:17:12):
videos and I was like, oh, letme do a version of johnny cage,
but we call him gauge, and whatother character could I do to to
do a mashup with?
And but we call him Gage, andwhat other character could I do
to do a mashup with?
And I was like, okay, whatabout a comical character who's
all about drinking his gourd andhe gets power from his gourd,
but he's having a good time, youknow, and that's where Chugi

(01:17:32):
came from.
But that's me, though I likedrinking my sake, I like hanging
out, I like having a good timeand I like shooting the shit.
But like the Masako, there'snone of that, it's straight I'm
here, I am the OP character in acity, like any battle situation
.
That's what the Masako was.
So that's why I felt like if Icame in wrestling with that name

(01:17:55):
and even even with my characterin my wrestling promotion, the
Masiku.
He is a monster.
He's just a monster who cannever elevate to the heavyweight
title because the company he'sunder is like you don't go for
that belt ever.
Only this guy goes for the belt.
So the Maziku is basically I ama brute for hire in the highest

(01:18:18):
level I could ever go to as anicy title Like that's who he is.
So it basically I am a brutefor hire and the highest level I
could ever go to is an icytitle like that's who he is.
So it's just like to do that.
Currently as who I am, I'm, Ireally love doing promos.
I love doing very compelling,very like pull you in promos,
like new jack did.
New jack back in the day whenhe did his promos.

(01:18:38):
He was raw, he was uncut, hepulled you in.
One of my favorite wrestlers isJake the Snake, because he
pulled you in with his promosand whenever I started doing
that stuff on TikTok with Ican't forget.
I can't remember his name rightnow and I feel so bad because
we did some back and forthpromos and they were really good
for this match we had on Tekkenand I was pulling out this.

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This character was Goro Mazuku,but like it was the more
flashier side of me or whatever,like the rock pretty much, you
know, and those promos I had somuch fun with it.
I'm pulling you in, I'm I'mshowcasing my style and I feel
like with the character cage itwould make more sense.
I can be that, I can do thosepromos and still be a badass,

(01:19:27):
but you know, whereas the masakois supposed to be a monster and
, if I recall, that's thecharacter you would like to be,
whereas me I kind of want topull the people in, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
But yeah, when it comes to that, which one thing I
was thinking, I wouldn't.
Don't get mad at me for makingthe comparison, because I know
how you feel about this guyright now, but you could do a
Finn Balor type situation whereyou're always on your back

(01:20:04):
taking the.
I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

Speaker 1 (01:20:08):
Hey yo, that's crazy and that's the last thing the
Moscow needs to be doing.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
On his back taking pins.
Yeah, I feel that, but no, Iwas about to say that like, for
instance and this would bespecifically more so for, like
the Maziku, and I think you saidit was- Goro Maziku and so it's
like Goro is the main character.
However, when you push him toofar, then he becomes the Maziku

(01:20:40):
Type thing.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
You know that isn't a bad idea.
That isn't Kind of like howwith Mankind and Katniss Jack.
You know it's funny.
I just showcased that match tomy people not too long ago, the
Royal Rumble 2000 match withKatniss Jack and Triple H, and
that's one of my favoritematches of all time.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
Only because of the build-up of like mankind having
to morphosize, uh to katnissjack and that's literally the
same thing he had to get toanother level of crazy which is
which, back in the day, justgoing off of that quick tangent,
I I never realized the fact howlike it wasn't, until like in

(01:21:31):
the later times where I was like, wow, so because like, because
before cactus jack always waslike, almost like a myth, and
then when it finally happened,it's all like.
So what you're trying to tellme is that cactus jack is
actually crazier than mankind.
Is that the narrative that youguys are pushing?
And it's like for a moment Ididn't get how, but then, like

(01:21:54):
after seeing, it's like becausemankind though he's mankind is,
but can take a lot of damage.
Cactus Jack is crazy, can takea lot of damage and will take a
lot of damage, doing damage toyou as well, type thing.
Chaotic as fuck Like he is.

(01:22:16):
He's true chaotic evil.
Bringing it to the d&d terms,but um, but like, uh, and it's
for, for, for the thing that youwere talking about, like, like.
It's not so much that it's likegoro has like this mental
switch to maziku, it's more likea goro if he needed like, if

(01:22:42):
you put him in a position wherehe has to like, okay, you're
crossing the line, and if you'regonna cross the line, so will I
.
And that's when he taps intothe true maziku mentality and
and then those beast mode typething where it's like you're,

(01:23:02):
it's just, you'd still beyourself that being goro, but
it's your, but whatever, it'slike when you get pushed to that
limit.
Now you have to go full demonon somebody.

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
Okay I like, I like how, I like how you.
You completely try, youcompletely uno reverse on me.
It's like you know what Ididn't say.
I had doubts of the idea andthe concept, but it's like you
made it make more sense, andthat is also another thing.
That is beautiful aboutwrestling is where you can go.
Well, this is kind of adiscolory in a sense, but you

(01:23:40):
can go at it one way and thinkthat's probably the way it goes,
but then somebody puts it inanother perspective in front of
you and says you know what thatmakes sense now yeah, it's all
about in in the in the good.

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
The thing that makes good wrestling is when it does
make sense.
And actually, because I wasjust actually at a wrestling
show yesterday and one of thethings because I'm listening to
the guys they're going overtheir match and one of the guys

(01:24:16):
they were talking about a spotthey were going to do.
I don't know if it'suniversally called this, but
they call it the Tower of Doomand the Tower of Doom is Okay,
so that is just universally whatthey call it.
I didn't know.
So they were going to do aTower of Doom spot and so it
would have been like the two tagteams were originally going to

(01:24:38):
suplex him off the top rope, butthen Ray Zeon would come in and
he would kind of sort of grabthem and, you know, powerbomb,
while they did the suplex, andthough very small detail and not
one that people would evenreally think about, but he was
like people would even reallythink about.
But he was like and this is theother tag partner, he goes his

(01:25:04):
name, he goes by Bobby, and hewas like he's like I don't know,
can we change it a little bitlike where, instead of me being
facing I have my back to youguys and we do like a back
suplex.
And at first everyone's alllike why would you want to do a

(01:25:28):
back suplex as opposed to aregular suplex?
And he's like well, when youthink about it, I'm sitting here
and I see everything that'shappening, sitting here and I
see everything that's happening.
If my tag partner is trying tocome in and save me, would it

(01:25:50):
not make sense for him to wantto even like do that if he knows
that they're going to suplex me, kind of thing, because I could
see him, he could see me, andso if they are, you know, if
he's going to pull them off,kind of thing, it wouldn't make
sense for me to still getsuplexed.
But instead, if I have my backto him, my partner being Ray

(01:26:13):
Zeon, would still think I'm it,will still think that he's
coming in to save me.
And so he would come in andhe'd grab and, as he's trying to
do the suplex, you know,thinking that I might try to,
you know that I would be fine,because you know they're not
going to be able to hold on tome, you know.
And but what ends up happeningis, as you guys are, as he's

(01:26:37):
still trying to, you know,suplex, you guys, guys, y'all
grab me anyway, and then I getsuplexed as well.
So it looks more like it was anaccident that he did a double
power bomb to these guys off ofthe turnbuckle while they were
still holding on to me, becausehe figured that they wouldn't

(01:26:58):
have been able to hold on to mewhenever he did that as where he
sees me getting suplexed so andthey'd be holding on to me at
that moment.
so why would he want to stillfollow through with that doing
the double power bomb?
If he knows I'm gonna getsuplexed with it and it's like

(01:27:18):
it was a very small thing, butit made sense as to why he would
want to just slightly tweakthat and it's like, at the end
of the day, I don't think anyonein the crowd would have paid it
too too much attention or wouldhave read into it.
But at the same time, for thatone super smart mark in the back

(01:27:42):
who's all like well, why wouldthey do that if he's?
Oh, because his back was turnedand and then they did the thing
where it's like, when he wastrying to like suplex him, they
were like trying to hold on andat the last moment they still
they grabbed bobby, which iswhen they actually got the whole
.
Did the tower do?
It made sense and it stillhelped tell the story kind of

(01:28:07):
thing.
That whole bit of when thingsmake sense in wrestling, even
when it's super small and minutelike that, or even with this,
it's like it helps.
It helps in the long runbecause a lot of us folks are
very into, like you knowcontinuity and you know thing,

(01:28:32):
like I it.
It makes when it makes sense,it helps, it makes you feel
better, kind of thing.
Now, greg, you would think thatI wouldn't care about that,
considering all the dragon ballz shit I got in the background
because boy oh boy, do they notknow how to do the continuity
shit very well, but I digress.
But when it comes to my which,yes, I so I am big into the

(01:29:01):
monster-type characters.
However, I never saw my buildas being worthy of a
monster-type personality orcharacter, and because of that,
I've never actually thought ofmyself in a monster type format.

(01:29:22):
And so the character,especially in more recent times,
the character that I would divecome up with, is actually based
off of a character who wasquote, unquoteunquote trained by
my actual character in thewrestling game, and so I would

(01:29:46):
call myself plat diesel is thename I decided to stick with.
I think plat diesel sounds cooland it looks good.
I would would still considermyself the platinum King.
So I wear these, I wear thejewelry, I wear this flashy
stuff and everything like that,um, and I would carry myself in

(01:30:09):
a very flashy, uh, um, verygloating kind of are we talking
like Ric Flair?

Speaker 1 (01:30:18):
flashy Like, how flashy are we talking like Ric
Flair?
Flashy, like, how flashy are wetalking?

Speaker 2 (01:30:22):
very.
I mean you could say Ric Flairflashy, but Ric Flair flashy,
but nigga.
If that makes sense, it's thebest way I can.
It's the best way I can put itso, carmelo Hayes, that's a

(01:30:45):
flashy nigga.
If I were to piece it togetherusing current wrestlers right
now Carmelo Hayes, Carmelo HayesDolph Ziggler and Carmelo Hayes

(01:31:08):
Dolph Ziggler.
With a little, Actually, Iwon't even say a little bit, so
I would just say with, uh, witha good dose of um, the Messiah
Seth Rollins.

Speaker 1 (01:31:28):
I thought you meant the Messiah from CZW and I was
like how the fuck you know whothat is cause I don't yeah,
that's why I was confused asfuck.
I was like but okay, but so soto the pope.

Speaker 2 (01:31:45):
So the pope whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
I don't want to talk about itright now, but like we can't, we
can't be.
The Pope is a weirdconversation I've come to learn
in more recent times, like it'sit's something you're talking

(01:32:11):
about, d'angelo De Niro, right,okay.

Speaker 1 (01:32:14):
So what's wrong with that?
That's literally it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
I have to explain to you when the camera's off.
When it comes to that.
Okay, okay, okay, but visuallyspeaking I guess you could say
that, but the overall arc of thething is, you know, like Platt
Diesel sees himself as beingthat guy.
Like, he is the epitome ofstyle.

(01:32:40):
His chains and his jewelryshine the brightest.
That's that.
What is it?
The slogan that I have for himis the mark of perfection with a
platinum complexion.
You know what I'm saying.
That's where his head space is,type deal.

(01:33:02):
Now, funny enough, which is alsothe weird thing, because, like,
I've never, really I never seemyself as a heel, but that
particular character would makea very good heel, would make a

(01:33:24):
very good heel kind of thing.
Very, very, very self-absorbed,very into himself, very, I see
myself as the tippy top, andanyone who says they're up there
aren't actually up there,because that's where I am.
You can't get on my level, mylevel can't be found, and so, on
my level, my level can't befound, and so that's, that's the
main, that's my main character.
So Platt Diesel another namethat I've thought of would be

(01:33:54):
like if Platt Diesel was thenickname.
The actual wrestling name isJohn Cosmo, and so there is.
So that's like the.
That's my number one pick for ifI was to be jumping into the
indie scene right now.
Now, I do have a secondarycharacter that I've come up with
, which is definitely a bad guy,and his name is actually based

(01:34:18):
off a friend of mine.
And his name is actually basedoff a friend of mine which is uh
, but uh, the, the.
The name would be he.
His name would be dextermaurice jones, but he's very
commonly referred to as dirtbagI remember that character
correct.
And and dirtbag is exactly whatthe name says and it's to a

(01:34:44):
level of I don't care how I getit or what I do to get it, I'm
just going to receive what Iwant to receive and that's
Dirtbag's whole MO Fool cheaternever does anything the straight

(01:35:06):
way.
He always lies.
He can't be trusted at all andif even then.
I would say I don't know,because MJF is he's a scumbag,
yeah, scumbag he is a truescumbag.

(01:35:31):
Like, honestly, him and MJF,they would actually probably
work very well together, butit's like, but then they'd
always be at those odds whereit's all like, all right, so
which one of us is actuallygoing to betray each other?
And the answer would be as soonas this is no longer beneficial
between the two, and so which,as long as?
So, it's like as long as wekeep making profit, is as long

(01:35:54):
as we can still keep hanging out, but, uh, money incorporated,
that's like.
That's, that's like the secondone.
But I do have a third idea, andthis third idea is one that I
would kind of similar to how Iwas saying with, like goro and

(01:36:15):
maziku.
I would plant this one with,like my, my, my plat diesel
character and the and, but itwould only be through like story
, and the idea of it would be isthe fact that, like, if plat

(01:36:36):
diesel got to a point where hegot everything that he wanted,
he's on top, and then there'sthe full crash out where you
lose everything and and nothingis, and like, and everything is
just gone to the wayside.
Then there's this, then there'sthat, uh, there's that breaking

(01:36:57):
point moment where it's like mycharacter would lose himself
completely and kind of sort ofgo on, and this is kind of sort
of like where the whole monsterkind of idea would come into
play.
This is like the only timewhere I'd kind of sort of become

(01:37:20):
like that monster typepersonality but not so much
monster, more like psychopathwhere you just kind of lost
yourself and so and and the.
The title that I would then, uh, give myself is the advocate of
chaos.

Speaker 1 (01:37:42):
Isn't that very similar to Killer Croc or Killer
?
From the promotion.

Speaker 2 (01:37:52):
No, actually.
Nah, Killer and Croc areliterally just my.
Killer and Croc are literallyjust my reincarnations of
Undertaker and Kane.

Speaker 1 (01:38:05):
Okay, because I remember the oh, no, no, okay.
So now I remember, because youhad to add the chaos because of
your other character.
Okay, now I see what it was,because I remember I had it in
the game.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah, Okay, okay, okay, like you
got.

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
It's funny because I got that name.
I actually got that name fromsomebody.
Actually, it was from the groupchat.
One of the guys in the groupchat was where I think I Was
where that name really came from, because I was also definitely
the person that would.
I was an advocate for chaos inthe group chat and that's what,

(01:38:38):
and my friend he also wassomeone who liked to just say
crazy things in the chat and beall like fam, that is the most
outrageous and outlandish stuff.
But then I would add to it andso and that's where the advocate
of chaos kind of sort of camefrom.
And that's far as the name goes.

(01:38:59):
But as far as my character wouldgo, it's like he would.
It's pretty much like he wouldlose himself and he'd become
this, this supposed advocate ofchaos.
But he would refer to chaos asif it's somebody who, as if it's
an actual person who he'strying to please now, and so he
would come out and he's singingthe praises of chaos you know

(01:39:20):
talking about, and he talks aschaos, as if chaos is an actual
entity that he is trying to pavethe way for type situation.
But in reality there is noactual chaos person, or maybe
there is, there could be, butlike that, that's his whole,

(01:39:42):
that's pretty much his wholestick.
So he'll go out there and, youknow, like a scenario type
situation, go out there and jumpsomebody who had nothing to do
with anything that he was doingprior or before, and it's like
why?
Why did you go out there andbloody up this dude?
Like, why did you do that?
It's like because I was toldthat was needed to happen, that

(01:40:04):
needed, that needed to go downand and as the advocate, I am
here to please and serve chaosin whichever way possible.
And he deemed this necessary.
And you know, one of those,literally on that type of shit,
where it's like this nigga losthis mind.

Speaker 1 (01:40:22):
He's absolutely I fucks with it, I fucks with it.
It almost gives Jake the Snake.
Trust me, vibes.
Trust me.
Trust me, god, I love that.
Oh my God, I used to love thatshit.
It's like what's gonna happen.
Trust me, I used to love thatshit.

Speaker 2 (01:40:41):
It's like what's gonna happen, trust me?
I used to love that shit.
I was very indifferent when itcame to the whole Trust Me era
of Jake the Snake.
I think I liked it, but thetheme song I play that shit all
day.

Speaker 1 (01:41:01):
That shit is on repeat.
My God, I'll probably play itafter we end this.
It's so good, especially theFederation, the Super
WrestleMania version, becausethey made it on there.
Yeah, so if you go back toWrestleMania or whatever, and
the one where it has the bluescreen and it has the

(01:41:22):
character's face and if youhover over their face, it plays
their theme song.
Go back, listen to it.
It's the trust me theme andthat's where it started for me,
because it's just somethingabout.
It's just so.
It's not like an intro to abeat and you're just waiting for

(01:41:44):
the drop.
It's fire.
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:49):
See, I like his other one when it's like the original
one I think I guess that's hisoriginal thing, something with
the.

Speaker 1 (01:41:59):
Yeah, that really fast one.
I like it.
Don't get it twisted, it's agood one, but the trust me one,
bro, I feel anytime I song hereand I like walk through, cause I
got this, like, uh, I have this, uh, this, uh, cherry blossom
stuff going over to my bathroomarea.
So if I saw a pop subject actlike I'm going through a curtain

(01:42:22):
, you get that slow walk.
It just hits every time man.
Oh my God, I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:30):
We're talking about this Because I've been trying to
pinpoint.
What is it that it makes me?
Why is it reminding me ofsomething?
And I'm like Liv Morkenstein,like watch me, yes, like I've
been like every time I heardtheme song.
When it comes on, it's like I'mlike why does it remind me of

(01:42:52):
something?
Laughing, laughing, laughing,laughing.
But it that's what it was like,cause I've been trying, like
you know how it's all.
Like man, I hear this andthere's something else in my
brain.
That's also.
That's like trying to break outof this box of being all like

(01:43:12):
hey, this reminds you of this.
I just could put my finger onit.

Speaker 1 (01:43:17):
And now that we're talking about it, just like how
Dean Ambrose used to remind usof the Power Ranger Turbo intro.

Speaker 2 (01:43:25):
Still does.

Speaker 1 (01:43:25):
Yeah, still does, no matter what.
Okay, well, I have to say youhad three, I had one and I felt
like I underprepared Because Ihad sat down, I had that concept
in my head of what I was goingto do, cause I remember before I
mentioned definitely want tohave very Taz vibes, you know

(01:43:48):
suplex machine type thing.
So it was kind of like thebiggest portion to my gimmick,
but I would.
I want to.
Now that we had theconversation about themes, I
want to make a question.
I kind of think we should dothis at the end of every episode
, do a question that can lead itto the next episode.

(01:44:09):
And now I'm curious what areyour top five wrestling themes
of all time?
These are the go-to jams.
I already know one of them, butand the fact I see you cooking,
your brain is cooking, it'scooking right now, but I already
know one of them and it's handsdown.
I know it's one of them, butsave it for the next episode Of

(01:44:32):
all time yeah.
Of all time.

Speaker 2 (01:44:34):
It's funny because there's only five, because I
know I could probably end uphooking up more than five, but
Okay, you want to make it ten,we can make it ten.

Speaker 1 (01:44:45):
Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Ten actually gives you a chanceto, not Because you know how,
that moment where you're like,oh, but this, you know what I'm
saying.
So if, how about this?
You do five, top 10?
.
Okay, top 10.

Speaker 2 (01:45:04):
Top 10.
It is, I'm cool with top 10.
Because, then this also allowsme to really think about, like
other promotions.

Speaker 1 (01:45:15):
Yeah, because, oh my God, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:45:17):
Yes, so this will give me that.
Oh, it's tough, explore likefull-on explore and branch all
the way out with what I want tothink and say for for those,
because, like I have, like my,my surface, my surface thought
ones, like those all popped uplike immediately and I'm just

(01:45:38):
like, oh okay, okay, all right,all right, okay, that's a lot
yeah, because I know we had theconversation on like what's our
favorite one, but like it waslike one but like a top 10.

Speaker 1 (01:45:49):
I feel like that would be a a good, a good way to
continue to deep dive of thatone.
So, um, I, I really would.
I really would look forward tothis question and hearing the
like what the fuck you take thatone.
I'm so hyped for this shit.
I'm so hyped for it and,honestly, I'm hyped that

(01:46:11):
everybody sat here and listenedto us rant and passionately talk
about wrestling.
Appreciate you guys coming hereevery mond to do this, whether
if you're getting in the morning, whether you're getting in the
evening, just like, oh, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:46:25):
Oh, I Sorry, I'm doing weird shit with my hands.

Speaker 1 (01:46:29):
Oh, I thought you was getting ready to say something,
but we appreciate you guyscoming up every morning,
whatever.
If you're like swagging, you'relike yo, every morning at nine,
I'm here.
Or if you're like, at somepoint in the day, I got to
listen to it.
We appreciate you.
We are now actually onbuzzsprout, so all our episodes
are on buzzsprout.
So actually we're on a lot ofpodcasts, uh, uh, networks.

(01:46:52):
Now we just recently got onbuzzsprout, so we're on
streaming services.
I need to actually check ifwe're on spotify now and apple
music and oh, we are okay.
Boom does it show our photo andeverything.
I need a good chance to checkit out too.
Um, okay, so we're on spotify,we're on apple music.
Uh, we're on pretty much I do.

(01:47:12):
What's the uh?

Speaker 2 (01:47:14):
all-inclusive thing that they normally say uh, we're
on all streaming streamingplatforms yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
.

Speaker 1 (01:47:22):
Um, now I gotta look it up because, uh, I forgot to
check that out a while back.
Um, but yeah, we're on allstreaming platforms.

Speaker 2 (01:47:29):
And, of course, if you want to listen to us but
also see our facial reactions,we're always gonna be here on
youtube y'all, y'all, we allhere, let let's go.

Speaker 1 (01:47:39):
We all here, photos and everything Nice.
Alright, we'll have to hit itwith the follow now.
So if you haven't yet hit uswith the follow, we're again on
Spotify, all streaming platforms.
Check us out in our episodesagain.

Speaker 2 (01:47:54):
And we're also on all social medias.
I've definitely been trying toget those cracking Super active
on Facebook.
Cracking super active onfacebook, definitely active on
instagram.
I'm working on the twitter.

Speaker 1 (01:48:05):
We're getting twitter you got, yeah, you got to do
twitter, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:48:08):
Twitter, I can't get with it bro my problem with
twitter is the fact that like,uh, because of the way that
twitter is designed and whatnot,it's like in comparison to
everything else, twitter is likeshouting out into a void and
seeing if you're going to get anecho back, as where with
Instagram and Facebook and evena little bit with TikTok, it's

(01:48:33):
like when I put something outthere, I get instant
gratification to a certaindegree.
So it's like the gratificationto a certain degree.
So it was like there the echois the echo comes back a lot
faster.

Speaker 1 (01:48:44):
There are times that, yes, with with with Twitter,
you can say something andnothing happens.
Absolutely, absolutely.
And that's the one thing I didnot like on Twitter.
I had stopped doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:48:54):
but um, that being, said so if you got Twitter, uh,
Um, that being said, so if yougot Twitter.

Speaker 1 (01:49:00):
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It's under uh podcast.
Yeah, everything's saying, andwhatever I post it, just just
let me know that you heard me,or something there you go and if
you haven't yet, like youalways say, please be sure to
like and subscribe on theYouTube and as well as all the
other social medias that we have.
We definitely appreciate youguys.
As we continue to grow, yougrow with us, but as this

(01:49:21):
podcast is built for destruction, we are always going to destroy
it.
When it comes to get us beingon this mic, whether if it's
criticism, whether if it's justhouse having a good time, we're
going to always make sure we getproviding you the the best of
wrestling content that we can.
So until next Monday, we willsee you guys.
Soon, from me, it's the Masako.

Speaker 2 (01:49:46):
And it's your boy Swag Switcher.
No crash out today, but staytuned.

Speaker 1 (01:49:51):
And I'm with the V1.
He with the V1.
V1, V1, V1.
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