Extreme Moments

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
hey guys, is the big brothers of destruction back
with another episode.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
It's the masako it's your boy swag switcher in the
building.
Please don't mind me.
I, uh, I didn't eat today.
Please don't mind me, I didn'teat today.

(00:46):
It's been a very dreary andrainy day and kind of fits the
mood a little, someone who Iknow Near and dear to your heart
, considering the fact that youare indeed an ECW main.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Yeah, I appreciate you immediately starting off
with that, because that was oneof the first things I wanted to
do is pay respects to Sabu, thehomicidal, genocidal,
death-defying Sabu.
He does have a near-dear placein my heart as a wrestling fan.
One of those people, that manhe definitely passed at the age

(01:14):
of 60.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
It's one of those people you just didn't expect it
to happen, but you know, lifeis life and it comes for us all,
just wasn't expecting it today,Because I literally saw a post
that was saying the fact that hewhich just goes to show like if
you could say that his way oflife and his way of wrestling

(01:38):
was what he lived for, damn it.
That's exactly what he did,Because I think they said that
he literally, like a week ago,retired actually, he had his
last match just the other night.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Yeah in a white suit and everything went through a
barbed wire table, barbed wireropes.
He lived it and he breathed itfor it to happen.
You know, in this way, you knowhe, he went out the way he came
in.
So we have to give him thatmuch.

(02:13):
We have to again say thank you,sabu, for everything you've
done for the wrestling business.
And you know I've heard a lotof stories about like you know
things he turned down from WWEand you know what he could have
been doing and all that kind ofstuff and to understand that he
had so many opportunities thatwas given to him.

(02:35):
He wasn't a man that neededthem, he was a man of little
words, but he let his body dothe talking.
He let his body do thestorytelling.
So again, thank you to Sabu.
I will say my best moment andI'm going to leave it at this my
best moment from Sabu and youwill know this one it's well,
two of them actually.
It's the Taz and Sabu feud thatmade Taz who he is today and it

(03:01):
is that tag team match with himand Rob Van Dam.
I will never forget thatfucking match in my life with
him.
Hayabusa and I do apologize forthe other individual.
He was basically Japan'sUndertaker.
That's how I remember him,that's how he was.
He was literally Japan'sUndertaker and boy, definitely

(03:23):
heavy heart.
But I don't know if you haveany memorable moments for
yourself.
I know I've shown you many ofclips, many of things of sabu
and the craziness that is him so, like I've watched sabu by
proxy for the most part, I'veseen little small tidbits of him
.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
One of the things I loved about sabu right
especially one of those like itit was the thing that, like when
I finally got to really see him, I was like this is not what I
expected, because, like withsabu he, when people talk about
him they talk about like all ofthese crazy things that he would

(04:05):
do and how wild he was and atthis day and the other.
It was like when I finally hadmy chance to see him because for
a while he was just a name youknow, and and and legendarily
spoken of and, and then when Isaw him, I was all like this is

(04:25):
Sabu, and I was thrown off atfirst, and then, once I finally
got to see him, and then Iwatched what he would do kind of
thing, and I was like man, okay, it makes sense, I get it.
Now I see this Sabu character.

(04:48):
But one of those things how youwas talking about, how you know
he had all these differentopportunities and he turned them
down and stuff like that.
That's probably the one thing Icould say when I could respect
to high heaven and back aboutsabu, and that's the fact that
Sabu could not be swayed bymoney or fame.

(05:10):
No, no, no, no.
Sabu said if you want me, yougot to take all of this and what
I do.
You're not going to change me.
I'm not going to let you changeme.
There's no amount of money thatyou can pay me that will change
me, because at the end of theday, I'm going to be this, and

(05:31):
if you want this, then you payfor it, otherwise I'll take my
business elsewhere.
And that's exactly what he did.
I feel like a lot of.
I feel like a lot of wrestlers,and I know a lot of.
I feel like a lot of wrestlersand I know a lot of wrestlers
wouldn't do that.
Hell, I know I myself wouldn'tdo that, because a lot of us

(05:54):
would be all like well, I kindof want that paycheck though.
So I mean, if I gotta wear theshort shorts and the pink top,
then sure.
I mean, it's only gonna be fora minute type thing.
Sad Movie's like nah man, Icome in there with barbed wire
sticking in, and if I can't,I'll take it somewhere else, and

(06:15):
that is something you have torespect about.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Same thing I said about New.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Jack and you said he had a match like last night.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
It was like the other week.
It was a couple of days orsomething like that but it was
just recent, it was just okayokay, that's okay.
So then maybe it might have beenthat match you were talking
about, because you said like aweek ago, but I just noticed it
was like literally a couple ofdays ago.
He just uh, he just wasannounced that iron chic, his

(06:44):
uncle, is the next episode ofdark side of the ring.
So this is like the second timean ecw wrestler has done a dark
side of the ring and grantednew jack.
His was made before his passing.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
It was like new jack had his episode.
By the time it aired he hadliterally just passed oh no, it
was.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
It was something else he was involved in and then he
filmed that one and then hepassed.
But his original one he was upand able to watch it still exist
, do his thing.
And then whenever he filmed,the next one is after his
passing.
I'm asking um, whenever thatone was posted, it was after his
passing.
I mean, whenever that one wasposted it was after his passing.
So same thing with Sabu.

(07:29):
It's literally we got theannouncement.
It's literally this Tuesday.
He's not even able to watch it.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
It's okay, he lived it.
At least he left a little Atleast.
Since that that would probablybe our, I guess in a sense that
would be like our true last timeseeing him in any kind of uh
setting and him speaking butfreaking definitely a legend,
one gone, not forgotten.
Never will be forgotten as longas ecw's name will be chanted

(08:01):
like Sabu is ECW.
I would almost say Sabu is ECWas much as Andre the Giant is.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
WWE.
He's definitely in the MountRushmore.
That is absolutely for sure,definitely.
If there was an ECW MountRushmore, he is on that.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Oh, absolutely 100%.
Sabu is ECW.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
If we go real quick, quick talk about Mount Rushmore,
I can say it off the rip, andif anybody has an argument we
can have a conversation.
Ecw, mount Rushmore, sabu, taz,rob Van Dam, and this one is a
hit or miss.
Some people may say ShaneDouglas, some people may say, um
, his name is drawing a blankright now, cause you can't

(08:47):
really put the Dudley Boys.
Honestly, the Dudley Boys hasto be on that, but it can't.
It has to be like a singleperson.
So, taz, sabu, rob Van Dam, Iwant to say Jerry Lynn.
I'm going to say Jerry Lynnbecause him and him and Rob Van
Dam's matches, bro, those are.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
So not, tommy Dreamer , damn.
You're right not not sayingthat's who was it?

Speaker 1 (09:12):
that's who?

Speaker 2 (09:14):
all right, let's let's, I will not do that now.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
We're not doing that, all right I will have a serious
conflict with myself, but I sayall that sadly.
Thank you so much for you,everything you've done, and, uh,
we hope that hardcore wrestlingwrestling like that in general
still goes on in your memory.
So thank you so much for that.
But, um, going along with thisweek of wrestling, we got a lot

(09:40):
of things we can talk about.
We got we going to briefly tryto go over the week of wrestling
Some of the things we noticedRaw, smackdown, aew collision
and Backlash just happened.
So, yeah, real quick Swag.
What are your thoughts aboutthis week, because I know you've
been deep diving into a lot ofthese things.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
So actually, funny enough, this week has been a bit
off for me, I'll agree.
Same here.
Funny enough, this week hasbeen a bit off for me, I'll
agree.
I did manage to watch what Icould.
Normally I'll watch and I'lltake notes, but with the way
that this week has been, I havenot been able to watch and take

(10:18):
notes like I usually do.
Now, just sit balling it andgoing it off the top of my head.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
Number one um, let me just give aew its props right
now oh wait, is it gonna be likehow was gluck, gluck and john
cena?
Like you just said a fuckingfew minutes ago, it's gonna be
on that level I'm not, I'm notpulling out, I'm just tapping.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
I'm just patting them on the head real.
I'm just patting them on thehead real quick.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
You've been patting them on the head for a couple of
weeks now.
You might as well just go aheadand at least grope them.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Listen, okay, aew has they have been doing, they've
been doing things and once again, because, going all the way
back to prior, we were sayingthe fact like how AEW, they're
kind of in their, they're goingthrough their WrestleMania,

(11:17):
build up which is for them, it'swhat is it?

Speaker 1 (11:26):
apparently so.
Here's the weird thing because,like google says it's double or
nothing and then, likewrestling fans are saying it's
all in.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
So I'm like I could have sworn it was double or
nothing, but I'm going from whatthe wrestling public is saying
it's apparently all in but it Ido think it's a little weird
almost, because it's likecompared to like before that
last pay-per-view, and then nowit's almost as if they're
they're like they're completelymoving differently, okay, like

(11:54):
with the way that they've been,and maybe it's because they're
in this weird bit where they'retrying to like they're
rebuilding stories or what haveyou, although it's also been
funny to me how, like how WWEand AEW have been kind of biting
at each other a little bit.
A little bit FTR, alright, andas well as things where

(12:18):
technically it would almost feelas if like can I say that it's
really close because Cause it'slike, like it almost feels like
WWE is biting on AEW a littlebit with certain things, like,
for instance, the wholesituation going on with FTR and
and Tony Schiavone andeverything with the you know,

(12:40):
and they're like see, apparentlythat happened after Gunther in
that situation, so I don't knowwhat really to say to that.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
Okay, so it, so that did happen, for I was trying to
think gunther and pat mcafeehappened before that happened.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
However, wait, no, no , wait, if you think about it,
because the only reason why theydid well, well, it's very,
actually, no, it's very similarto them, it's just that, ooh,
see, it's kind of a photo finish, because the situation is the
fact that Raw comes on firstbefore AEW, yeah, and the weekly

(13:20):
lineup and the weekly lineup,but at the same time, you know,
it was all because of somethingthat either michael cole or uh
shimani said about therespective wrestlers, and then
so, after it, after it was said,which I think, considering the
time, I want to say it was said.

(13:42):
I want to say that what he saidwas was related to collision.
I want to say it was said.
I want to say that what he saidwas related to Collision.
I want to say which would havebeen Saturday.
But then however it might be,they've been biting on each
other because of that storylineand there's one other storyline.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
Javon, you don't want to get into the real shit, like
with Javon Evans and Ricochet.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
You don't want to talk about that the young OG
where?

Speaker 1 (14:16):
where he said brother .
When he said Ricochet saidbrother, I was learning from
Shawn Michaels when oh no,excuse me, this was Javon Evans
saying this to Ricochet.
Brother, I was learning fromShawn Michaels when you was 12.
Uh, wait, was it?

(14:37):
Oh, no, excuse me, my apology,it is Ricochet.
So, brother, I've been learningfrom Shawn Michaels since you
was 12, then went to be amulti-time champion.
Let me know when you win thisone little boy.
And then Javon said our word.
So, um, you learned from HBKwhen I was 12 and became a
multi-time champion.

(14:58):
Now you're wrestling in frontof 2000 people, oh, every week
for crackhead.
Uh, talk about an upgrade, am Iright?
The young OG?

Speaker 2 (15:09):
Listen, I um, I feel I've seen so many like
outlandish things.
People have said none of itI've been able to confirm, but
one of the ones I saw was alllike man.
Someone made a tweet says likeman, the young og just made t,

(15:30):
just made nxt have to go throughheavy um, um, heavy social
media training or something likethat.
I'm like that'd be funny truth,but here I don't.
I don't know why.
Why, why, why do that like?
Why?
The response are we period,just just the whole, like I.

(15:54):
I don't see why he had to tryand go after ricochet,
especially right now.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
Well, ricochet firing on all cylinders I believe
ricochet uh, okay, ricochet wasresponding.
It says sounds like mr khanisn't giving you enough
attention so you had to come fora successful youngin.
You're giving me the most viewsmy posts have ever had, finally
helping to get you someattention you've ever had.

(16:20):
And it was like wink wink emoji.
And then Ricochet responded.
So Javon Evans was kind of theone that started it and I don't
get it.
It's a thing I don't get like.
I know as wrestlers they kindof have a little.
We as wrestling fans havetribalism.
It looks like the workers havetribalism too by saying man,

(16:43):
fuck the other side and it's onsome gang shit, like literally
it's gang shit.
It looks like the workers havetribalism too by saying man,
fuck the other side and it's onsome gang shit, like literally
it's gang shit and it's crazyit's, but that's how it always
is.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
It always has been that way, like, and it's one of
those things where it that way.
It's one of those things where,in WWE, they've been dealing
with it forever because they'vealways been the ones on top and
even when they weren't on top,they were dealing with it One of

(17:21):
the things I love about WWE.
Normally, however, young OGkind of stepping on the line on
this one, but it's like WWE doesthe thing where it's like they
don't talk, they just flexMm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
A lot of the times too, and the thing about AEW is
like the times too and the thingabout.
Aew is like a.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Oh, absolutely, and it's like of all people to want
to come after trying to do thiswith Ricochet right now.
I mean, granted, if it wasbecause you just wanted to get
eyes on yourself, then sure Okay.
However, ricochet, he's on oneright now and he's looking for a

(18:09):
reason.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
I don't know, man, he's, uh, his heel persona,
everybody's loving his heelpersona.
So I'm not too sure like, whywould he be on one like that?
I think Ricochet, it's more sobecause he's in veteran status.
He's like 30, almost 38?
, 36, 37?
.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
I have to get better at knowing the ages of these
people.
Well, Ricochet has definitelybeen doing it for a while
they're immortal until theyretire from wrestling, and then
they start getting old.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yeah, I mean certain people you can kind of just tell
, like I remember they'restarting to tell us certain
things.
Like you know, this match was20 years ago and it's like bro,
chill, like what are you doing?
Like I'm I'm still trying to beyouthful and you over here
reminding me that, oh, this,this right, like the whole john
cena and randy orner, oh youknow, this has been going on for
like 20 plus years, right?

(19:07):
Oh man, don't remind me of that, dude.
What's going on?
What are you doing?

Speaker 2 (19:12):
There are certain things that actually feel like
it's been that long, and thenthere are other things that's
like it's really been that long.
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
That's crazy.
I think I was uh watchingsomething else when it was
talking about, like anotherthing.
That was like almost that manyyears ago.
I can't wait we get to speak up.
I can't wait to get to thisfreaking backlash.
Uh, talking about this realquick, because I I had posted
something on facebook and I feellike it's freaking hilarious

(19:45):
now, since we're talking aboutage and differences, uh.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
But before we get off , let's, let's go back to your
aew comments and how you want topat them on the head no,
because like so, as far as like,progression of the stories and
just the overall quality of theshow that they've been giving
recently has been good I won'tsay top notch, but it's been

(20:15):
doing it for me compared toprevious times.
Now I will say I'm with thestories that they kind of have
going on and stuff and some ofthe things that are happening.
I'm like I'm I'm trying tofigure out where they're trying
to go with this because, like I,I like seeing the matches, but
I feel like they're spinningwheels with this whole situation

(20:37):
with the evps, young bucks andthey just want to stop it like
it's because it's like I what'sthe story?
and it's like they keep you knowthey're they're trying to all
you from it.
Like it's because it's like Iwhat's the story?
And it's like they keep youknow they're.
They're trying to allude to thefact that you know they're on
john moxley's side, or there'slike something going on with
them and john moxley, but it'slike what is it?

(20:58):
What are we doing with thatpart?

Speaker 1 (21:01):
so we're getting the same equivalent of John Cena and
what was selling his soul.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Which that's not the part that we pat on the back
about, but no, I'm just sayinglike the equivalent of that.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Alright, so give us the reason why, and then they
never give us the reason why,just like how John Cena never
gave us the reason why.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Now I also won't say it's that bad.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
It's not, but I'm saying it's the equivalent of
that Of like you jumped in asituation we don't know why and
you don't want to tell us why.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Like if two plus two is four, then the whole thing
with John Cena and DwayneJohnson, that's like five times
five.
You know what I'm saying?
Like it's minuscule incomparison, Okay, absolutely
minuscule in comparison to theabsolutely minuscule.
Minuscule because thoughthey're kind of sort of like.

(21:52):
It's kind of like hanging outthe dry, it's not gone because
all of the players are stillplaying in this and it's like oh
, and then this interestingchange of heart with um hangman
oh, yeah, he's turning baby facenow that that whole, like the

(22:16):
way he did it and in the fact ofjust, I just really enjoyed the
fact of him acknowledging thefact that, yes, all that shit
that happened prior with me andSwerve yes, that happened.
I legitimately tried to killthat man and the fact that him

(22:38):
and Swerve though like thetension is still there they've
both put themselves in this spot.
They're both in a space wherethey're all like, hey, that shit
happened.
But my bad, not sorry, just myfault.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Being accountable, being accountable, that's the
perfect thing to say I may havecalled you a fuck nigga in the
back.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, you know what.
I will hold myself responsiblefor what has happened and,
though there's not gonna be Anyforgiveness in all of this, just
know I'm going to attempt Tomove past and just let it be it.

(23:43):
But when Osprey came, and it'sso weird because it's like past
and just let it be it.
But when Osprey came, and it'sso weird because it's like, well
, osprey isn't a heel, so it'salmost like a heel.
It's almost as if, like hangman, being the heel, is trying to
be babyface.

(24:03):
But then Ospreay came out thereand was like no, no, no, no, no
, bruv, shut the fuck up and bethis fucking heel, because, fuck
you, he.
Just Ospreay was like no, no,you don't get to come out here
and give this whole song anddance and then be all like okay,

(24:24):
I'm done being a fuckinglunatic and losing my mind.
I'm gonna take my spot back.
No, no, I've been doing allthat stuff while you've been out
here, having this existentialcrisis of your mind and whatnot.
You don't just, you don't getto come back.
No, ain't happening here, I'mjust it's so.

(24:47):
And I'm also glad that, likefreaking, we're finally moving
and doing some things withOsprey, like things are starting
to move in AEW cause they wereass and then they were stale for
a hot minute.
But now they're like okay, okay, okay, we're gonna try this

(25:09):
again and let's see if we can doit right.
And I think they're starting.
They are in the right directionas far as I'm concerned.
On that, I tilt my hat off toAEW.
Right now they're doing it, wweoddly so they're in this weird

(25:30):
space where they're just tryinglike they're in this, they're
fixing things.
They're trying to fix stuff andmake you forget about what
happened before.
That's what WWE's doing and Ithink, honestly, I want to say
that Backlash kind of fixed it.

(25:50):
Like kind of Backlash has donea good job of being all like hey
, just look at this as the thestart and move forward, as
opposed to all the dumb shitfrom Wrestlemania and some in

(26:11):
like the week and a half afterWrestlemania because a lot of
fixing had to be done.
But they're doing it, they'redoing it.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
You know what I'm saying are you talking about how
they may backlash a goodwrestling pay-per-view maybe not
story driven, but at least agood wrestling pay-per-view
correct.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yes, they're trying to make you forget and sometimes
or at least funny enough, kindof taking a page out of aW's
book here when the story isasked, make the wrestling really
, really good.
And so, hey, AEW, that's theirMO baby when they start crashing

(27:01):
and burning, going into apay-per-view.
That's why they throw 20matches in 4 hours of wrestling.
So it's all like see howamazing this wrestling is.
Who cares about whatever we wasdoing on those prior shows and
story and stuff?
What story you know?

(27:22):
I will say this much story andstuff.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
What story?
You know I will say this muchthis much I will say.
Toni Storm, good as hell, asalways, cutting promos, that's
all I care about.
Was her promo on Collision,because Dynamite was like meh,
outside of MJF, finally hurtingsomeone that I cared about.
I cared about that, but then Ialso hate when it was like Bobby

(27:48):
was like I'll answer you nextweek, and it's like bro, are you
fucking kidding me?
It's the one trope in wrestlingI can't stand.
It's like he's literally infront of you.
Do it now.
I gotta wait next week.
It's annoying as fuck.

(28:09):
But outside of AEW, since wewere kind of briefly going into
backlash, what are your thoughtsabout it?
Matter of fact, if you want togive me a lightning round of
what you thought about everymatch at the pay per view, just
lightning round, spit out youthought about every match at the
pay-per-view, just lightninground, Spit out your highlights
for each match, and then we'llkind of both do that that way as

(28:31):
well.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Let me see if I remember each match that
happened.
There wasn't a whole bunch.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
If you like, I'll go first.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Well, if we're going in order, the Fatal 4-Way match
number one, drew McIntyre isabsolutely valid in everything
that he says.
I don't know why it had to be aFatal 4-Way, like, like, but
nonetheless, honestly, the matchwas okay.
Oh, that's no bigs Damn.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
That's how you feel it was like nah, you didn't see
the promo.
He did no, I missed that thenoh yeah, nah, motherfucker, drew
back entire face.
We did the oh, there's nobreaks.
And he looked like eyes.
Bro, I posted it to facebook.
Oh, he was clowning.
Yes, oh yeah, I posted it toFacebook.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Oh, he was clowning.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
I'll send it to you in a second.
The first match was okay,especially going into it with
everything that's kind of goingon and stuff like that
Everybody's cool.
I feel as if.
What's that man's name?
Goddamn damien priest?
I feel like is like in thisweird space where it's just like
he is unfortunately living upto the name of being a main

(29:57):
event jobber right now.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
like he's I love his intro to his fucking thing.
That shit's like cold bloody.
I'm like, bro, this is therawest motherfucker.
This is the rawest motherfuckercoming outside and then you see
the lights and it's like, oh,it's Damien Priest damn he is.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
His entrance is a combination of Kanan Undertaker.
He's got the fire and stufflike that in the beginning and
then he goes with a little bitof the purple and stuff.
But it's like he's, so I don'tknow.
I like him, don't get me wrong.
I like Damien Priest but I feellike Damien Priest has not

(30:37):
found his place.
He's like in this weird limboof spots.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
How about Drew McIntyre almost set la night on
fire?

Speaker 2 (30:48):
yeah, no, that was I fucks with it like yeah, wow
hell.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
Yeah, I love how uh la night is trying to be stone
cold with how he cuts.
Let me talk to you're notsaying that that phrase is up,
but like how he be just hisverbal debates or his verbal
giving his opponent the shit.
It's very Stone Cold.
Ask, and I'm like I see whatyou're doing there.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
I mean, listen, we've all known that he's been on
this kind of like.
See, you kind of got this StoneCold slash, do the rock, you
know cadence, but the thing isit's good he's actually good
with it.
It's one of those things likeit's a comparison, but at heart

(31:35):
he's not that.
Yeah, but yeah overall and thenthem bringing in this.
What's his name?

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Oh, that's Jeff Cobb and I.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
then I was like wait, jeff Cobb is Filipino, he's not
fucking Samoan no, but him andhim and Jacob got history, so
like a lot of history like helooked like it was an
ex-boyfriend.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
He meant like what the fuck you doing here, bro?
I used to be that.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
I'm not that anymore I mean apparently speaking like,
as far as like the look and the, the, the reference, kind of,
because, like I said, him andjacob, they, they go deep.
What I've come to see and learn, yeah, yeah, they do.
But at the same time also I'mlike, but why?

Speaker 1 (32:34):
But that whole match, that whole bit was a whole lot
of but why's?
For me, yeah, it showed.
Because with the whole spotwith Drew and Damien, it got
them off screen, because it madeeverybody else focus on Jeff
Cobb.
And then two one of them mighthave got injured we don't know
fully who it is yet, but one ofthem might have got injured from
that spot.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
So there's that.
I think the match after thatwas the females match.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Yeah, Becky and Valkyrie.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Yo Valkyrie was fighting her ass off last night.
Fighting her ass off, she wasfighting for her effing life,
man, and it paid off.
And considering what,considering how this feud
started because it started offvery weak, in my opinion the

(33:26):
turn made her made it.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
It threw me off because how she was.
Oh, what are you doing?
And it's like bro, like okay,sell it.
Like you're not selling it,like, what are you doing?

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Yeah, ms was fine, but this in comparison where the
story was, the match made thestory be like alright.
I guess it was fine for it tobe asked.
However, it's not over, sowe're going to see where it goes
, but overall that was a reallygood match.

(33:58):
Good shit, I will admit.
Now, after that, what was it?
Pat McAfee and Gunther was thatthe next one?
Or was it IntercontinentalMagic?
I mean regardless the goal, ifI'm going out of order.
Yeah, it don't matter butregardless of going out of order

(34:22):
, gunther and Pat McAfee, Ihated it really.
I hated it for what it kind of.
I hated it for what it showed.
The wrestling was fun, itwasn't bad.
Pat McAfee wrestled his ass offand put on a good show, but
that's not what I expected,that's not what I wanted.
Then Michael Cole got involved.

(34:43):
I'm like okay, alright.
And it was like michael colegot involved.
I'm like okay, all right.
And it was like if michael colegot involved, pack mcafee
should have just fucking won atthat point when they did the
grab the legs and yeah, thatpart did piss me off.
It was kind of like normallywhen you do that spot it's done,
yeah yeah, yeah, but but itdidn't happen.
And then for it to end withGunther choking him, and then we

(35:09):
waiting for Pat McAfee to getback to his feet and Gunther
just be all like, not bad, andthen leave.
What are y'all doing?

Speaker 1 (35:22):
I will admit, I did kind of mark out a little bit
whenever he was in the sleeperand he started getting up, I
said, oh shit, we still got moreof get.
I did kind of mark out a littlebit whenever he was in the
sleeper and he started gettingoh.
I said, oh shit, we still gotmore of this match.
We still got probably five moreminutes.
You know I'm winning.
Come on Pat, come on Pat.
And then he put his ass backdown.
I was like, ah, what was thatfor?
Then he could have just blackedout.
Why did you do that?

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Running Absolute trap .
We are really out here.
This is the ring general.
This is one of those.
Remember how Gunther was alllike?
You have my attention now.
I'm going to beat you very,very, very badly.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
it really should have been bringing doing the whole
thing.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
It's like you got a daughter and a wife just had a
birthday and all this otherstuff.
Like why we bring up thesethings and make it sound like
we're going to do some somegoddamn Hangman, adam Page,
esque, shit in the ring anddon't deliver.

(36:33):
Like like Gunther went outthere and looked like Pat McAfee
was almost, was almost, evenlymatched like, yeah, I was gonna

(36:54):
say it should have been a squash.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
It really should have been a squash, absolutely what
are we doing with Gunther?

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Gunther is a monster of a man.
I don't know man he might.
What are we doing with Gunther?
Gunther is a monster of amonster of a man.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
I don't know man, just like how we used to have
the monster among men here andnow he gone.
Don't put monster next tomotherfuckers now, cause
apparently monsters are gettingdropped wow, we really out here
killing monsters.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
Huh, we really out here killing monsters yeah, bro,
they're kaiju killers, they'repower rangers oh god, kaiju fam,
that is such a you saying thatand putting and putting it next
to power rangers, like, damn,that's really what they was,

(37:39):
though they really was kaijukillers.
For the greater good, though,but still.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
I'm not lying though.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Fucking kaiju killers .
I love it, I love that, but Ijust feel I don't like what
they're doing to Gunther rightnow.
I don't know if we're trying tohumanize Gunther so he can like
.
I feel like as if, like,gunther was in the main event

(38:12):
and then they've now like thismatch, like in my like, putting
it like in a like in one ofthose like fighting game
perspectives, he dropped tworanks.
In my opinion, this is theranking system okay yeah, even
though he won the match, becausehe did win he, he lost, he lost

(38:39):
xp, he lost points for this,because, like he's, it's like
they're trying to push him intothe main card scene now, like
they brought him up and they'relike, let me see how he looks
here and I feel like someone's,like I don't like it.
It can't know a US title.
Just keep him down there,please.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
Put him back in the mid-card range.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Yeah, you range.
Yeah, let's let him get beat byDominic Mysterio or something
that's crazy.
I know it fucking is going intothat match.
However, that was a good match.
That was great, dominic.
Mysterio and Penta won yes,dominic Mysterio andPenta one.

(39:25):
Yes, dominic Mysterio and Penta.
Everything about that match wasperfect.
Everything fits, everythingmade sense, unlike the last
match I was talking about.
And Penta's still strong andDominic is still a dirtbag.
Still strong, and Dominic isstill a dirtbag, and so I'm.

(39:45):
And then we also got the bigAmericans, so it's like we got
everything, which, to me, pissedme off.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
I was like what the fuck are you doing here?

Speaker 2 (39:55):
remember, the big American wants to expose these
luchadors, these, these matchedvigilantes.
Okay, so I was about to say,when you say luchadors, these
masked vigilantes when you sayluchador, technically Damien is
not Damien.
Excuse me, dominic is a luchadoryes, he is a luchador, but he

(40:17):
is on the right side of history,as they say.
And so I'm interested to see.
Because now I do know, becausewhen you, uh, when we was on
early he was asking what was onmy phone, adam pierce was
talking and uh, apparently pentaand the big american are going
to be facing each other on raw.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
So all over again.
It's like his debut match again.
Oh wait, no, that was with ChadGable yeah, similar, but
different people?
Yeah, apparently.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
And then finally we got main event time so I've had
the privilege of watching thismatch three times now not on
purpose.
So I watched Backlash.

(41:14):
I was actually at a wrestlingevent I'll post pictures of it
later yesterday but I was at awrestling event and then, once
the wrestling event was over, Iturned on the phone and I was
watching Backlash.
So when I got back home, wejust continued watching Backlash
and then, as we're watching themain event, some of the
wrestlers from the event werelike hey, you want to come

(41:35):
through and watch the rest ofBacklash with us.
We just started it over andwe're all like sure we'll come
through.
And so by the time we got there,however, we watched the main
event with them as well, becausewe're all like we're just there
to hang out.
We don't need to watch the showper se all over again.
So we watched the main eventagain, and then afterwards,

(41:59):
because I did not see the firstmatch, when I came home and I
was just doing stuff, you know,till the wee hours of the night,
I put the show on again becauseI still didn't see the first
match, which was with jacob fatuand all them and so I watched
that, but I didn't turn it off,so I let it play through the

(42:22):
whole show again.
Therefore, I ended up watchingthe main event one more time.
Now, I did not watch it allthose times because I just loved
it so much, if that's what youwas thinking.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
Hold up, but it was a good fucking match, but it was
a good match.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
It was a good match, but it was a good match.
It was a good match.
And then, unlike all of thematches prior, with an exception
of the Intercontinental titlematch and everything, uh, okay,
you said the IC title was thematch of the night no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, not by along shot so who was match of

(43:01):
the night to you then match ofthe Night to you, then Match of
the Night, ooh.
On a pure wrestling perspective,I'd actually have to give it to
the Intercontinental titlematch, because Lyra Valkyria was
fighting her ass off.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
Oh, you mean the women's Intercontinental title
match.
Okay, you got to make sure it'stwo different ones on the same
card.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
So when you said icy title, yeah, oh yeah, icy title
Like Lyra Valkyria fighting herass off.
But the thing that I wasgetting at was, unlike all the
other matches with the exceptionof dominic's match, the
build-up and the story leadingto it everyone else's were

(43:50):
pretty garbage, except for dom's.
And then going into the mainevent, the build-up for this one
great, like the story that waskind of told and what they're,
what they've now forced into ourbrains, pushing out the Dwayne
Johnson narrative.
Like with the story that theytold and then the match that we

(44:14):
got, I think we're finally wherewe need to be with John Cena.
And now I know I personally canreally start watching and just
enjoying it and not feelingbitter.
I'm a bitter ass, nigga.
I'll be honest with you.
That whole Dwayne Johnson shit,like as I, because I keep

(44:36):
bringing it up you can tell like, no, I'm still mad about it.
I'm still mad about it, you andeverybody else, but I'm getting
over it slowly but surely.
We're else, but I'm gettingover it Slowly but surely we're
getting over it.
I'm building the bridge.
I got enough material Afterthis last match.
I got enough materials.
We have the funding to pay forthe workers.
We can build this bridge and wecan finally get over it, and so

(45:00):
this match.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
I feel like you had that stored up and saved for
just the rainy day, when thatsituation is convenient for you
to bring that up.
I feel like you stored thatshit.
No, not completely.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
Not completely.
I'm pretty fast with itsometimes.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
Okay.
But um you like that shit,right Good promo stuff.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
I've been working on it, but, um, the actual match.
In regards to what, john, itwas really interesting with this
John Cena versus Randy Orton,this bad John Cena versus the, I
would say, the pseudo goodRandy Orton, because, at the end
of the day and I love how theydid this Randy Orton is-good
Randy Orton because, at the endof the day and I love how they

(45:44):
did this Randy Orton is stillfucking Randy Orton Alright.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
Yes, he's not RKU.
No matter who you are Like he.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
There was a point where it was like I think John
Cena, yeah, in the verybeginning of the match, john
Cena had thumbed him in the eyeand Randy Orton was like Bitch
Jesus, that Bitch, that tickledme.
It's not like right.
It was like yeah, no, no, no,you don't get to play those
games with me.
I'm not Cody, I'll kick you inthe skull, fuck you nuts.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
Yeah, I kick him in the dick, that's a dick, hey.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
And so now here's where.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
The bullshit comes.
Alright, yeah, because that'swhat I'm about to hear, because
that was a good fucking matchoverall.
But just go ahead, give it tome Pause.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Because I'm not blind to it and after seeing it two
times the first time I feltdifferently, but after watching
it a second time, I'm like, okay, guys, finishers don't mean

(46:59):
shit anymore.
No, they really don't.
No, no, and it saddens me.
Yeah, these false finishes andI'm talking like john cena, I
think, on three, three or fourseparate literally gave him the

(47:24):
attitude adjustment and pinnedhim immediately Three different
times and he kicks out at two Toproceed through the rest of the
match.
I'm just like come on toproceed through the rest of the

(47:46):
match.
I'm just like, come on.
Like come on.
And it's not like they were,like there was no rhyme or
reason.
No, like yay, nay, it justhappened.
It's just kick out it.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
Kick out it.
You do have to remember that AAis a fisherman carry.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Yes, but when?
But just because listen, don'tdo that.
I mean, that's not a reversefoul driver.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
If anything, rko.
He RKO'd him like what?
Four times in that match.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Yes, yes.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
And didn't he?
And it's an issue.
I'm like Orton, weren't yougone forever for a while because
you kept doing the RKO so muchand you had to get back surgery
stuff done and you just?

Speaker 2 (48:45):
See, that's not even the part that I'm thinking about
, no, no, no, the part that I'mlike the two most.
I'm sorry, forgive me, I can'tspell the three most devastating
letters in sports entertainment, the most deadliest three
letters to be right next to eachother and John Cena kicked out

(49:06):
of them like they were justswinging neck breakers Like
breath.
If they're deadly, either JohnCena has built up an immunity to
your venom, or maybe they'rejust not as deadly as they
should be, and I hate it.

(49:27):
Now one could argue thatstatement for both of them.
They've been attitude adjustingand RKOing each other for what
was it?
23 years now?

Speaker 1 (49:44):
Bro, you was not going to slide by this Venom
crime.
Hit, bro, that was a good one.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
And maybe I need to talk to a wrestler who believes
in these false finishes to helpit make sense to me.
It's not being made sense to meright now and let it be known,
prior to this, at first Ithought, after watching it the

(50:17):
first time, I felt like thesefalse finishes were justified.
Okay, that was me watching itwith the rose-colored glasses of
seeing a really good RandyOrton and John Cena match, all
right.
Then watching it the secondtime and then watching it that

(50:40):
second time under the influencebecause we was partying, and
it's like.
This is like the third time.
He did that to him and he wentstraight for the pin.
It's a normal move, I feel in mymind, the only thing that would

(51:02):
make it okay, which I can givesome of the guys in AEW credit
for, when we be doing thesefalse finishes at least some of
those guys, one of the famousones that come to mind being the
neighborhood Billy Goat himselfat least he's got like four

(51:25):
different finishers that he cando where it's all like he does
one Damn, that didn't work.
He does another one Well, damn,that didn't work.
Well, I guess it's time totiger drive him through the mat.
There we go.
That one did it and you know,at least we have that.

(51:48):
But it's like we're just RKOingand just attitude adjusting.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
And then I was like how dare you?

Speaker 2 (52:01):
I don't even want to talk about it, no more.
But aside from the falsefinishes and the fact that WWE
is like biting AEW, even thoughthey're not competition, but now
we're going to just start doingstuff like AEW, because they're

(52:22):
actually competition, but wewant to see if we could do it
better, which there's no doingfault multiple false, 15 false
finishes is not doing it better.
That's doing it just like thepeople who are not as good as
you.
Okay, but that's just me.
But overall it was a solid Bpick.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
Lightning round.
For me I could definitely sayJacob Fatu match Really good
start, a really great opening,high energy, great spots.
I liked Damien and Drew's spotand again Jeff Cobb coming in.
I was just like you.
Better not tell me he's part ofthe bloodline, because fans

(53:04):
will immediately be and we don'twant to make this a racial
thing or anything like that, oran ethnicity thing.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
No, no, no, it's okay , because the bloodline is
everybody unless Jeff Cobbs ismarried into the family.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
He's not, he's nothing, he's not connected to
the family.
None, exactly, he's not, he'snothing, he's not connected to
the family none exactly.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
That's why it's like it's okay, because what was it
um sammy?
Good example, that's not a goodexample.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
I mean he was brought into the family.
Stop it not sammy.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
I'm talking Naomi.
All right, blood wise.
No, she's not Samoan.
However, she is acknowledged asbeing part of the family
because she's married into it,okay.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Who is she married?
Who is he married to Jacob?
What the fuck?
Who the fuck?
I don't know.
There's nobody, nobody.
Who's married to?
Who is Jeff married to?

Speaker 2 (54:03):
No, no, nobody was married to.
Who is Jeff married to?
No, no, where you gonna bebusted right yo yo yo nah flag
on the plane.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
bro nah flag.
Flag on the play.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
bro Nah Flag on the play oh nah, bro, I'm gonna need
you to take your foot off thegas and apply brakes real quick.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Nah, you're not me, that's crazy damn all I was.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
I was not saying that he was part of the bloodline at
all.
The point that I was trying tomake is the fact that, unless
they was going to prove that hewas a part of it, the fact that,
unless they was going to provethat he was a part of it, the
only thing that I'm seeing ishappening right now.
Oh gosh, you almost completelythrew off my while I was trying

(55:13):
to explain with that, with thatspew of words that you just did.
We did not.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
You didn't say it, that was you.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
No, no, because you're over.
I'm going off the fact of whenI'm talking about the you know
cause.
You're all like how is he inthe bloodline, who is he married
to?
And like the three names thatyou rattled off were dudes.
I'm like what are you trying tosay?
I only said one.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
I said who is it?
Is it Jekyll?
Like who the fuck is?
Because when you said that, I'mthinking like, okay, who is he
married to in the family?
Because to my knowledge Ididn't.
Anyway, let's move past that.
We had the moment, get to whatyou were trying to say at the
end of the day.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
What I was saying is the fact that, like cause going
off the whole deal with him,whether if he's being a part of
the family I don't think he's apart of the family.
If anything, I think he's aboutto be a hired gun to take out
Jacob, because Solo's tired ofJacob doing what Jacob's been
doing, cause, you know, jacob'sbeen very defiant to the old.

(56:22):
Yeah, I can say that he loveshim, though Jacob's been doing
Because you know Jacob's beenvery defiant to the old.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
Yeah, I can say that he said he loves him, though he
said I love you, jacob.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
So he knows you too.
Though he says that he alsosays the fact that, listen, I'm
doing me right now and I don'tneed none of y'all's help, like
they've been, which that thatwhole storyline has been a
little weird and wishy-washy,but it's like they've been
slowly, like jacob's, been likefalling out of the fold here I

(56:55):
don't like that, though, becauseit's like not saying he needs
them, but it's like him solo isjust another brawn hold on now.
I don't think that that's a.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
It's a pretty heavy statement what I'm saying in a
sense is like a big man outthere.
You know, unless you go put himin the title picture, which
he's not gonna be cena and he'snot gonna be jay right now.
So it's like why separate him?

Speaker 2 (57:25):
separating because he ?
Because because it ultimatelydoesn't need him.
He doesn't need him.
It doesn't need the bloodlinehe's.
He's bad on his own.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
They need him because without Jacob, who is the
bloodline, it damn sure ain'tsolo right now, solo ain't got
no fucking wins.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
He's taking the pins that's why we got Cobbs anyway.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
So match was okay, match was okay.
Becky Lynch she's always been agreat wrestler to me.
She grows on me the more andmore I watch her.
And Valkyria, apparently Ithink she cracked her nose at
the end or something like that,so she toughed that one out.
Pure cinema, that match fightfor her life pure cinema Gunther

(58:20):
, Pat.
I enjoyed the match.
I did not like how Pat got upfrom the sleeper to break out,
to not continue the match.
I was like, oh cool, let's seewhat happens.
But I want this last fewminutes to be like a gunther be
like and just go like in, likereally hurt pat.
I want it to be like pat likehe like thumped him in the eye

(58:43):
and that just like turnedGunther into the Hulk and he
just violates that motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
And that was actually another thing, because they had
like this super extended thingat the end where they're
standing there and they're alllooking at each other and
Michael Cole is standing next toPat, like he's curling next to
Goku, he's curling and with nextto goku and and then what's his
name is all like you're fine.

(59:09):
And they stand the other, like,and then he leaves and then we
focus on pat and michael coleand the ring just fucking diddle
daddling, standing aroundbecause it's not like he won.
But we focus so much on PatMcAfee and we watch Pat McAfee
walk up the ramp and all thisother stuff and it's just like,

(59:30):
but why like?
And then it was like that wasit.
We didn't even get Gunther toeven explain his shit in the
goddamn like after show.
He's gone, like in my mind, I'mlike because what I'm sitting
here, I'm like all right, andand okay, pat mcafee turned

(59:53):
around and gunther's going toattack now.
No, no, okay, all right.
So pat mcafee's rocking up theuh, the ramp and gunther
blindsides him.
No, that doesn't happen.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
None of that Jey Uso type shit where he leaves the
arena and it comebacks andsmacks him outside the head.
None of that at all Listen.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
I'm with Listen all the way.
I even stayed up extra late towatch, like the the freaking
after show thing I'm likealright.
Maybe like, while they're doingtheir little after show stuff
and talking, they're gonna checkon Pat McAfee and then
Gunther's gonna get him.
Oh, the show went off, sonothing's happened, so nothing

(01:00:36):
happens.
Nothing happens.
Gunther just lets it Aftertalking all that shit, not the
Gunther just lets it aftertalking all that shit.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
Not the arms folded by guy, not the arms folded bro
over here pouting and shit, goodmatch, stupid outcome.
That's what I'm gonna say.
Good match, stupid outcome.
Um, that's what I'm gonna say.
Good match, stupid outcome.
Penta and the Dominic.

(01:01:10):
Uh, it's Penta all day, nomatter what that blue, that blue
, that blue was cold icydripping.
I don't need rock blue like that, but I was like I'm gonna need
that blue mask, I'm gonna needthat.
So the match was great, goofy,outcome still kept everybody

(01:01:33):
strong, made sense to the story.
And then you get the John Cenaand Orton match.
I had a blast, honestly, out ofthe the dumpster fires of
matches they've had previousyears.
This was one of the best ones,as much as the dumb finishes,

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the usage of the supers and thefinishing moves.
I really enjoyed this match,really enjoyed it.
I was definitely taking on theride.
I was kind of mad, though.
I kind of felt like at the endof the match when Cena was on
the turnbuckle it was just goingto show his next opponent.
He was like and there's no onethat's better than me, or

(01:02:16):
something like that.
He pulls up the belt.
I'm thinking like somebody'smusic's about to hit I might
rock lesnar or something likesomething and then like nope.
So where you felt with thegunther situation that was me
here, I was like so why did youdo that, john?
Did you just like wanted to getin your character a little bit

(01:02:38):
more, or like I'm thinking?

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
I think, with the whole stopping the music and
stuff like that Listen, with himstopping the music, like that
listen.
I'm waiting for John Cena tocome out there with just no
music.
That's what I'm waiting for.
Like he come out there as themusic starts to play and then
he's like cut the music and thenhe walks out with no music,

(01:03:05):
type thing.
Now, granted, he'd be bitingoff my boy, Dolph Ziggler, a
little bit, because DolphZiggler did that shit, but you
know, it's all good.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
You remember that cat-dog thing that you stay here
forever.
I just cut it, cut the music.
But overall, backlash was a funride for me and how crazy my
yesterday was To watch that atthe end of it all.

(01:03:37):
It was a great spectacle,enjoyed myself and we'll see
what happens next pay-per-view,but we've gone an hour deep in.
I really want to dive into theactual questions that we
normally have, because we'lltalk about the wild weekend of
wrestling and we probably missedsome topics, in particular Some
of the juicy ones.
But I do want to also revisitcertain topics we did from last

(01:04:02):
week, so as of this week.
I know you said you had to goback and re-advise your list did
you change it?

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
did you update it?

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
I sure did okay, so what is it now?

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
only only a little bit, just because, like because
because I I went and I listenedto a couple songs.
I even tried to see if I couldfind out if there was anything
else that I was missing.
That should have been.
And so, going from top tobottom, yeah, going from top to
bottom, it's Kane Brood and thenShinsuke Beer, money being

(01:04:40):
fourth place.
But now my new fifth place is dmalenko's wwe theme and then
after d malenko's wwe thing ismatt hardy v1.
Okay, okay, those definitely hadto be there.
Okay, okay, and so chris vanwaal, os, oscar Goldust, big

(01:05:03):
Show, christian Cage.
And then wait, what's that?

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
That's 11.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
Oh, okay, so then yeah, so no, that's the top 10.
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
Minus Christian Cage yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
Yes, I think yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
Christian Cage would be 11.
Yeah, yes, I think yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
Yeah, christian Cage, okay Okay.
Yeah, that's because, because,because once again he was 10,
but then those changes, and soit was like Yokozuna did get in
there, but then Did you put itback in a 10?
.
No, he got bumped down Becauseyeah, damn.

(01:05:48):
Wait, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.
So, yeah, because of thoseother additions that I ended up
putting in there, christian Cagegot bumped down and Big Show
barely made it himself, so like.

(01:06:08):
Because because originally to tofinish off like the last little
bit.
At least it would have beenChristian Cage, then Ember Moon,
then Yokozuna and then Test atthe very bottom there, and so,
but I think I think this, nowhow it is is, is the more solid

(01:06:29):
like I don't think it gets.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
I don't think it changes from here sticking to
the topic of music real quick,all right.
And this technically isconnecting me.
It's technically not who'stitantron growing up outside of
kane, because I know, I knowwhat the fuck he's about to say.
Who's titantron to you was likeyo, that shit's fire kane's was

(01:06:54):
legitimate fire, you knowthat's.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
That's a weird, that's a odd thing because, like
I didn't pay a whole lot oflike because titantrons, as time
went on, like stopped beingcool and creative.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
I I'm only go ahead, sorry the most recent cool titan
tron that I noticed and saw wasbrunson reed.
Like, when brunson reed cameback, is like he, because, like,
like his titan tron is likeit's him walking through a city
on some king kong or godzillatype shit.
I'm like that's dope, that's,that is solid yeah, but like the

(01:07:37):
reason.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
the reason why I brought that up is because the
Titan Tron is a is a lost relicof wrestling.
You can look at a Titan Tronfor a wrestler and it could tell
you everything about themwithout having to tell your
person, because God forbid.
Now, if I go to a wrestlingshow Javon Evans, his name,

(01:08:00):
that's it.
So then a person who doesn'twatch wrestling and you take
them with you, they'll be likewho the fuck is?
Javon Evans, his name, that'sit.
So then a person who doesn'twatch wrestling, you take them
with you and they'll be like whothe fuck is Javon Evans?
The titantron will tell youeverything you need to know,
everything.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
It does.
It did Because number one in atitantron.
Usually you got a clear imageof what the character looks like
and kind of like them acting intheir character.
You would get their name andthen you would also kind of get
an idea of kind of like theirtheme, kind of like what they're

(01:08:35):
about, what they do, and thenyou got clips of them doing
their finishes and theirsignature moves.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
So you know when it happens in a fucking match,
because half the people youdon't know Boy like AEW could
really benefit from some goodtitantrons.
Bruh.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Because, lord knows, but yeah, no, I really can't
think.
I mean honestly, if it ain'tking favorite titantron might go
to gold dust, because but thething is, titantrons and the
theme songs back then they wenthand in hand, that's what I
saying.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
I also just again wanted to go to a little bit of
a nostalgia trip because that'sjust me, but I think the Titan
Tron started becoming a relicafter I want to say, the reality
era.
I think the reality era is whenthey started kind of going with
just the name.
Think, because did Daniel Bryanstill have one?

(01:09:42):
He did.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
Because, anybody knew after that I think anybody knew
, coming from this, like now,what is because what is the
reality era considered is thatwhen daniel bryan won the.
Okay, so that time frame, themid in between 2011 and 2018.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
It's kind of when NXT started getting good Gotcha.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
Okay, so like 2014.
2013-2014.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
I can't.
No, yeah, no, yeah okay, solike 2014.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
2013, 2014, Henry, Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, Ugh, I can't
think of.
Actually, when you say that,that actually really kind of
puts a pin on it because, like,I'm thinking of people from that
time and like trying toremember what their titantrons
looked like and it's like theydidn't have Like.
Because, like now in my mind,remember what their titantrons
looked like and it's like theydidn't have like.
Cause, like now in my mind, I'mthinking about other people's

(01:10:47):
titantrons that I do remember.
Like I remember Bobby Lashleyhad a dope titantron and clothes
lining dropping dudes and allthis other stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:10:58):
Like, he's been doing that for years.
I give him that he's neverstopped that time listen, it's
stuck to it, so that's that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
You got God do that.
But like yeah, like Hmm,because titantrons now are kind
of boring, I would say.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
One of them that was goaded was the hardy boys always
oh, always, always, like you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
You said that and I'm like looking at my top 10 list
and trying.
I'm looking at my top 10 list.
I'm trying to remember thetitantrons that went with them
and some of them are like, likeshinsuke nakamura, that there
was no titant tron, like therewas no clips of him doing his
finish or anything like that.
No beer, money.
Titan tron was okay, from whatI can remember yeah, it was dope

(01:11:45):
d malinkos was dope because Ihad the bitch in the club it had
, no, it had no.
D malinko, it's just bitches youwould have like quick flashes
of his face.
And there was, there is oneclip of D Malenko like in a suit
at the club in the video, andthat was another thing, because
it was like the time Tron usedto give wrestlers that extra bit

(01:12:10):
of personality that it givesthat extra bit of personality
that sometimes you don't't, youdon't get to see like going back
to like evolutions, titantronright, it was like you know the
clips of them walking down theroad with the suits on and stuff
like that.
They're getting out the planes,coming out the limo, and this

(01:12:32):
than the other, and it's likethe titantrons used to tell a
story, used to used to quicklytell a story that you don't have
enough time sometimes to tellin the ring yeah and that and
that is the dying art.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
That is it, unfortunately.
But as, just like we was makingthese lists, I was looking at
something Titanron, like testTitanron was dope.
You know, big boss man'sTitanron was dope.
To me it's kind of one of thereasons why I even did that
trend for a little bit, where Iwas doing the Smackdown like
Smackdown 2 entrances where Iwould walk just like them behind

(01:13:14):
the green screen.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
I had so much fun doing those shits.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
It was like angle from angle from angle.
I was like I gotta get the sameexact walk.
And because they all did thesame walk, Smackdown 2.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Oh man, I wanted to do more of them.
Smackdown 2 oh man I wanted todo more of them.
Smackdown 2 was such a coolgame and then, like the story
mode for smackdown 2, I wouldwish to go back to play
smackdown 2 and do the storymode because it was like it felt

(01:13:56):
like smackdown 2 the way 2 anddo the story mode because it was
like it felt smack likesmackdown 2 the way that it
played the story mode.
It played the story mode likeyou was watching episodes of
wrestling that, and alsosomewhat gmo too somewhat
because there'd be times,because, like actually, yeah, a
little bit, because there'd betimes where you'll play, because
, like damn Magic really saidthat it kind of did have that it

(01:14:17):
had a small element of it, justbecause of the fact that, if
you wanted to, you could playthe other matches and you can
simulate them, which is alwaysthe.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
You see the bar moving and shit like who the?

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
fuck is gonna win.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
I've been trying to know that it'd be like it'd be
like the rock versus like bullyray or something like that
bubble ray, dudley, and you'relike you know, fucking way to
rock by the loose, oh shit thatmess would be wild.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
Yes, oh man, that I forgot about that piece yeah,
man that took me, that one tookme back cause oh damn, ah see,
oh gosh, that was a good, thatwas a fun game yeah, it was man
it was.
It's honestly not did that tome.

(01:15:15):
Now I'm like now I'm about toturn on my PlayStation 5 and
play the rest of the game.

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
I might actually watch somebody play the
Smackdown.
I might actually watch somebodyplay the Smackdown versus
Smackdown 2 story mode ingeneral, because the best thing
we always remember you stompingtheir ass out, just random.
Stomping their ass out justrandom, just stomp out, just

(01:15:42):
stomping them the fuck out.
You know what's funny?

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
because, like they're very so.
Whenever I used to play, Ialways I'd always play as Kane
on the game, but it was like,when I think back to like the
story modes, when I said thefact that like it almost felt
like he was playing and watchinglike a real episode of like

(01:16:04):
smackdown or something, becausethere'd be times where your
character won't be on the cardfor that night and your
character won't have somethingor your character will have a
match but there's no story foryour character and because of
you know the times back then,like because there was no

(01:16:27):
talking in the game yeah, likeso when they would do a promo,
and it'd be just like thatbackground music like the rock
is cutting a promo, just likethat background music Like the
Rock is cutting a promo.

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
And I will just be in your imagination.
What was it?

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
Bro, we just did that on time.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
oh my god oh, let me see, let me see let me see if I
can find that shit?
Oh my God.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
Oh man, yup, smackdown 2.
Oh man, good stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
Absolutely, absolutely but yes we say all
that because, again, theoriginal conversation was Titan
Tron.
Oh, also remember wheneversomebody would get mad oh this,
what?

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
the fuck is this?

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
Fam those graphics back then.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
Undefeated, Absolutely Undefeated, with the
movements and everything.
Oh man, Goes to show how muchwe goddamn played that shit
right.
Hold on, wait, wait wait.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
I that shit right.
Hold on, wait, wait, wait.
I think I think I follow it.
Hold on, I think I follow it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
It's whenever they have a conversation oh, oh yeah,
with the backstage conversationyeah, and because the thing
that I did that was likewhenever they be on the mic and
when they finished it hold on,wait, I see.

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
I see Jeff Hardy's doing a promo right now.
Huh huh, yo yeah, oh, wait, no.
And then all of a sudden,somebody will run up to the
ropes and get on the rope oh mygod, yes, yes, peak wrestling

(01:18:45):
right there, and I hate to bethat nostalgic about it, but,
man, it was just something aboutlike they would take the
storylines that's already goingthrough and make you play
through them again, which werereally cool, because now you get
to do it the way you wanted todo it again.
That's why I say it feels likeGMO, because you, while you have

(01:19:09):
this narrative of what thestory is, the triple A's did it.
What about you, bitch um?
You had those moments where youcould kind of change this, the
story like, okay, stone coldsupposed to be coming, yes, but
there was a title match andtechnically, you're, you're,

(01:19:30):
you're you're.
Your opponent is going to beharder because you're not
supposed to win.
But if you won, it was like, ohshit, you actually did it.
Good fucking job.
The story will alternate alittle bit.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
We're still going to stay on program.
That was actually you saying.
That makes me actually go to nomercy, no mercy.
I loved how.

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
No mercy kind of did that where you know.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
But it get bad and shit.
But like no Mercy, because it'sfunny, because I feel as if,
like probably to this day Idon't think I've probably ever
seen like all of the possibledifferent endings for different
stories in no Mercy, becausethere were certain tracks where
it'd be like you'll have a matchand it'll literally say you can

(01:20:26):
win or lose this match,depending on what happens when
you win or lose will depend onthis motherfucker right now.
That motherfucker too cool bro,that's so goofy.
I swear I messed up on my gearthere you go.

(01:20:49):
Depending on certain matches,depending on whether you win or
lose will depend on which waythe story goes.
And then there are also certainmatches where it's like,
depending on whether if you winor lose will depend on which way
the story goes.
And then there are also certainspots where it will be like,
depending on if you say yes tothis person or no to this person
, will depend on how the storygoes, kind of thing.

(01:21:10):
And I know back when I wasplaying the game playing the
game it never registered to meabout the fact, like huh, what
the alternate ending choicewould look like.
Now, sometimes they still ledto the same goal type thing.
But it was like there's certainparts where it's like you can go
this way or this way and then,depending on how you did or how

(01:21:34):
it moved or how it changed, willdepend on if you even get the
title match or if the titlematch changes.
And just thinking on that, oneof the most memorable matches to
me and hopefully I'm notfogging it up too badly, but
it's a match that you have towin, and I also think this

(01:21:56):
particular match, I want to saylike when you fight this match
that you have to win, and I alsothink this particular match.
I want to say like when youfight this match, you unlock the
character too, but you have tofight freaking cactus jack oh
yeah, bro, because he keptreversing everything like you
would grab him fuck off me.
bitch Fail, cactus Jack, in thatcage match.

(01:22:17):
I vividly remember passing thecontroller back and forth,
trying to beat them, becausethat's how we used to do things.
If we were playing a singleplayer game and both of us
wanted to play, we would play upto a point where one gets stuck

(01:22:38):
and it's like, if you lose,pass control to the other person
, see if they can beat them.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
if they can't beat them, that's that's another,
that is another relic of gaming.
That is no longer a possibilitynow, because at the same time
you know back in the day youused to hang out with your homie
you'd be at the house.
You spend the whole day doingthat shit.
Doing that now is somultiplayer.
There's so many options of like, well, you on your other screen

(01:23:06):
, or this, like there's the theland capability of playing a
game like that, like even sonicadventures battle 2.
Now I can just literally giveyou my Parsec and you can play
from here.
Alright, we're taking control.
It's your turn.
Go for me.
It's not that nature of passingthe controller and you know

(01:23:30):
being in the same space, butyeah, it is a.
It is a forgotten you bringingup.

Speaker 2 (01:23:38):
Bringing that up reminded me how there was a time
where which actually, I think Ihonestly think and it's only
just because I have not wentback and played the game, but I
think to this day I personallyhave never beaten Crazy Gadget
no, you had to, it was never.

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
Always just me.
I personally have never beatenCrazy Gadget.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
No, you had to, it was never always just me so well
, because I've never gone backto try and play it.
I think actually would be thebetter thing to say Because,
like once, you beat it because Ialways had it was always an
E-rank.
Say because, like once, youbeat it because I I always had
it was always an e-rank, becauseI remember you beat it and

(01:24:23):
figured it out.
And you actually you beat itand figured it out when I I
literally I was going to sundayschool and you weren't going,
and so when I came back fromSunday because the night prior
we were stuck and we couldn'tfigure it out, and by the time I
came back home from Sundayschool you was all like, bro, I

(01:24:43):
figured it out and I beat it andwe was able to progress through
the rest of the game.
But because I always had thatsaved memory card, anytime I
would play the game, I justdidn't have to worry about it.
I just I just didn't have toplay it and the and because,
like then, after it was like the, the second thing you had to do

(01:25:03):
was you have to do you have therings, get a hundred rings, and
then it was save the chow,which, when you have to save the
chow.
When you get to that very lastpart of the level where it's the
weird puzzle, shit right, youdon't have to do the puzzle, you
just go to where the mysticalmelody box was and you would get

(01:25:24):
it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
and then, after the save the child, there was like
the time trial was it time youhad to beat it, you have to beat
it in a certain time frame andthen after that it's very hard
mode and I I don't rememberdoing.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
I think I remember trying to do the time trial and
I and I couldn't do it and I waslike you know what?
We're gonna save crazy gadgetfor last.
There's so many other thingsthat I could be doing and so I
literally went and played therest of the game and I never
ended up getting all a's becauseI I just never consistently

(01:26:04):
played it.
Now, unfortunately, that memorycard is gone.
But yeah, like I, I never.

Speaker 1 (01:26:09):
I've personally never beat crazy gadget, because
that's crazy maybe now it ispossible that I may have, but
I've only done it once if thatwas the case, because we we've
done it a lot in our years whereis we'll play a game or like
watch the other person play thegame?

(01:26:30):
Because it's just sometimesjust being in the, just hanging
out with your homie.
You know, I'm saying like theseare still moments like you see
me play chrono trigger so manyfucking times now.
It's damn near you damn nearknow how to play the game and
you've never played the game.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
That's how you see me play that shit.
Peak gaming can't seem likethat no, not anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:26:54):
Unfortunately, that's your streaming.
Going back to the originaltopic, are you just going with
Hardy Wars or are you going withjust Goldust?

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
I think, honestly, goldust is the only one that
really sticks out, just becauseof the theatrics of it all and
all the things that you wouldsee and how it looked and
everything.
Theatrics of it all and all thethings that you were seeing,
how it looked, and everythingLike cause.
I mean, brock Lesnar was alsokind of cool, just which version

(01:27:27):
, Because you got the when hefirst came in he, where he just
the whole time and shit.

Speaker 1 (01:27:38):
Well, that was in there, but it was mostly him
clotheslining the shit out ofpeople or powerbombing the fuck
out of Spike Dudley, whichanother?
That is another conversationI'm going to have before we
close it today.
But Spike Dudley man, I thinkwe had a brief conversation
about this like Spike Dudley vsMick Foley, who is the crazier

(01:28:00):
son of a bitch in the sense ofhey, listen, I want you to like
literally throw me on concretewhich they've both done.
Like it's hard to say me onconcrete which they've both done
, They've both done Like.

Speaker 2 (01:28:19):
it's hard to say, but the thing is, I feel as if that
they're probably both equallycrazy.
Actually I would.
I think Mick Foley is equallycrazy, but Spike Dudley it just
looks like it hurts more.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
Yeah, it looks, because he ain't got no body, he
just stick.
Yeah, it's like Spike, Spike.

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
Wow, oh God, sam Shit .
Oh Lord Bro, calm down Anyway.
But Spike, he like Spike, spikeDudley.
He's like a pre-adolescentteenager is what he looks like

(01:29:04):
even now, just with more facialhair.
But it's like he looks like asmall teenage kid, like a small
teenage skater boy who just justto watch him be ragdolled is it
just looks so bad and honestly,it might not even.

(01:29:25):
It might just look worse thanwhat it may actually feel
sometimes.

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
I don't know, man, that un-American moment.
Where was it?
Laurie Zinsalz, where they takeSpike and they try to throw him
on a fucking table but the backof his head hits the fucking
table.
That shit, bro.
That's an annoying ass pain,like out of everything else,
mick Foley, being thrown off afucking cell, you know, being

(01:29:53):
thrown on taxes.
The back of your fucking skull,that's an annoying ass pain.
While this is all consensual,even though we consensual to
that, we gonna fight in the back.
We fighting in the back Because, bro, how did you miss that
whole fucking table, whole asstable.

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
It looks he makes the person who is following his
footsteps in that particularlight and even then, yes, but
Spike Dudley still makes it looklike it hurts.
Spike Dudley's just and I stillthink, because he's smaller

(01:30:35):
than Darby Allen is Darby.
He's smaller than Darby.
Allin is Like Darby.
He's small but like he's got alittle more meat to him, as
where Spike was literally madtiny, like tossing a teenage
child all around, but it's likeDarby's trying to catch up, like
he's trying.

(01:30:56):
He's gone down that Mick Foley,that Mick Foley route type
thing, but like I feel, I thinkI personally think Mick Foley, I
think, has done worse or things, but because he's a whole lot
of man like it as well as things, like you know, it hurts, but

(01:31:17):
because he's just so big and hecan take so much damage, it's
hard to see it as where spikedudley do the same thing to
spike do the same thing.
Imagine spike dudley gettingtossed off the cage by the
Undertaker.
That would look so much moredeadly.

Speaker 1 (01:31:38):
I think he would actually flew in the crowd.

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
Honestly because of how light he is.

Speaker 1 (01:31:46):
Like Mick, being a heavy guy actually probably
saved his life Because heprobably as he was being thrown
like oh hell, no.

Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
Like Spike because he probably, as he was being
thrown, like oh hell, no, likeSpike Dudley, because of the
type of how small he is, whichis also the thing, is the main
deal with him because he's sosmall and he's like probably
like 150 pounds.
These 200 300 pound dudes cantoss that like it's nothing, so
they have to.
Actually 200, 300 pound dudescan toss that like it's nothing,

(01:32:20):
so they have to actually holdback when it comes to throwing
somebody like him.
Otherwise you get themsituations where you see them,
they just and Spike misses thefucking table and lands.

Speaker 1 (01:32:31):
He probably land on the fucking barricade, for God's
sakes.
And he probably would be likefucking barricade, for God's
sakes.
And he probably would be like,oh my God, broken in half, guess
what Spikes would probably do.
Ah, ooh, get up.
What the fuck?

Speaker 2 (01:32:48):
But there's also that fact where it's like because
he's so small and he's not soheavy like you know how, how,
like when you throw, like whenyou drop heavier things, they
hit the ground harder yes so Ifeel as if it might be the same
for him, where it's like he justlooks like it hurts him more,

(01:33:09):
but like maybe he's not hittingthe ground as hard, since he
doesn't gravity does not pull onhim as hard as everybody else.
Or maybe I'm just talkingstupid, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:33:20):
But damn, that spike dudley makes it hurt yes, um,
but I asked all that titantronwise because to me the best
titantron was stone coldattitude era, like with the, the
, the skeleton middle finger.

(01:33:40):
You get the sergeant slaughterstunner where he flips and shit
like all.
All of that best goddamntitantron ever rousting strike
and everything yes, everythingabout that titantron is pure
fucking gold.
Remember what we were justtalking about.
If you want to understand awrestler, you look at that

(01:34:01):
fucking titantron of Austin.
All you're seeing is carnage.
It's to the point where wealready know the fucking song
itself.
The glass breaks.
You know, it's your ass.
You hear the glass, that's yourass.
It's to the point now that myADHD, having ass brain, it might
be the tism too.
I don't know what it is, but ifI have any glass item in my

(01:34:23):
hand, my what's those thoughts,the inclusive or intrusive
thought is immediately because Iwant to hear that glass shot.

Speaker 2 (01:34:38):
See, going straight to destruction isn't what I do,
but whenever I do hear, wheneverI hear something, something
shattering whether if it's someceramic from the kitchen while
I'm sitting at a restaurant formy food, or if it's just like I

(01:34:58):
drive by and I run over someglass which happens from time to
time and I hate it because I'mthinking I'm about to mess my
tire up, but nonetheless,anytime I just hear it
immediately is dun, dun, dun dun.
That's the first thing I do,and only the real ones who I'm
sitting with.
They'll be all like see whatyou did there.

(01:35:22):
Nah, it's also a good way tomake new wrestling friends cause
, like, if you're just somewherein, like there is the sound of
like glass breaking and you justdo that, those first few chords
of a stone cold steam song.
Many times I've had people turnaround like did you just?

(01:35:45):
Did you just?
Stone cold, steve austin?

Speaker 1 (01:35:47):
I'm like my god that's how memorable that song
is and how wrestling music usedto be.
And I can't stand constantlydoing that right now because I
don't want to feel like I'mliving in the past constantly.
But what I'm saying is there'sjust certain things that were

(01:36:09):
really effective in wrestlingand I don't know if the
production crew or somebody justsaid, hey, can we just stop
putting too much energy in thesethings?
Or like I don't know.
It just makes the wrestler lookover more than it's supposed to.
Just put his fucking name up,man, it's just his fucking name
should be good I don't thinkit's that, I think it's just

(01:36:29):
more so.

Speaker 2 (01:36:30):
I feel there's a small hint of laziness.
And then something that I'veseen, or I've it's kind of sort
of been like an ongoing thingwhen it comes to certain
wrestling, is the fact, like thepeople who are putting
everything together, they alwayshave this consensus of all,
like they don't care about thatno more, or they don't remember

(01:36:55):
that or they don't want to seethat.
There's so much of that thathappens in the background that
we don't be seeing.
Because what was, I think, agood example of that was the
thing that we all wanted StoneCold versus Sting.

(01:37:15):
I'm sorry, not Stone Coldversus Sting, however, that
would have been a good matchStone Cold versus Sting.
I'm sorry, not Stone Coldversus Sting, however, that
would have been a good match.
Undertaker versus Sting.
When Sting came into the WWE,it has been famously noted the
fact that both of them was alllike hey, so can we run this
with Taker, can I run this withSting?
And Vince was all like no onewants to see that dumb shit and

(01:37:36):
it's like fuck, you mean, no onewants to see.
That's literally what we'vebeen wanting to see for since
they both showed up on theirseparate brands Like that's all
we wanted.
Actually, we didn't want TripleH.

Speaker 1 (01:37:53):
We didn't want Seth Rollins, not in the slightest.

Speaker 2 (01:37:57):
We wanted the Deadman versus the Stinger and honestly
, especially at the time, theywould have still had an absolute
banger of a match.

Speaker 1 (01:38:12):
It would have been great.
But no, I'm also looking backat certain titantrons.
Now I don't know he's showingin my glasses, I can see, but
looking at like things like JohnCena's fucking old titantrons,
and I just remember there'salways.
It's the one that every time itused to hit for me is when it
shows his necklace and it moves.

(01:38:34):
Bro, when that shit came on, myGod Woo.

Speaker 2 (01:38:41):
I don't have to actually go through and re-look
at titantrons, but I also haveto be careful, because sometimes
I'll be looking at titantronsor I'll be listening to a theme
song and I'm looking at atitantron like wait a second,
it's not what it is, Becausesometimes people be like making
titantrons on.
Youtube and they act all like,yeah, this is Shinsuke

(01:39:05):
Nakamura's theme song with thetitantron.
I'm like, okay, this wasn't thetitantron.
Don't lie to me.
Nope, don't lie to me.
Stop that, stop Stop.

Speaker 1 (01:39:17):
Yeah, don't lie to me , stop that.
Yeah, nah, that was definitelya thing.
But outside of titantrons alone, music alone, the big, other
big questions is I kind ofwanted to lead this into next
week stuff who let me pull thequestion back up is this Rudy
Pooh, I'm sorry which era hadthe best mid card or underrated

(01:39:44):
stars?

Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
the best, mmm, mmm, off the top of my head,
literally just off the top of myhead.
I want to say, like theruthless aggression going into
the PG era, I want to say I canrespect the ruthless aggression.
I can respect that they hadsubmit cards, that or you could

(01:40:17):
honestly say the whole SmackDownroster during the PG era.

Speaker 1 (01:40:26):
Because they were all mid Ooh.

Speaker 2 (01:40:31):
Yes, not because they were mid, but that's SmackDown.
Was the mid card?
Not because they were mid, butthat's just Smackdown.
Was the mid card back in thosedays.
I don't like it, trust me,because that's where all this
this slander about the big goldcomes from and what not.

(01:40:55):
That I will not have any oftalking down about.
The big gold comes from andwhatnot.
That I will not have any oftalking down about.
The making it sound, making thebig goal sound like no one
cared about it.
No, they did they did.

Speaker 1 (01:41:08):
But so you would say you particularly say that era
yeah I'd probably say that one.

Speaker 2 (01:41:15):
It's a toss up.

Speaker 1 (01:41:16):
It's a toss up to Roofless and Attitude.
I want to immediately sayAttitude because you know that's
me, but Roofless did have somegreat mid card.
It did have a good mid card,especially because that was I
think that was when V1 era MattHardy was and man, the computer
screen, that's another titan.

(01:41:36):
That's fucking fire, by the way, matt Hardy, matt Hardy with
the Matt Facts, bro, the MattFacts was everything.
Oh man, matt Facts was fire umhim and Shannon Moore.

Speaker 2 (01:41:56):
Uh, and then also Crash.

Speaker 1 (01:41:56):
Holly, which that was an era I do not remember.
I think that facts were fire.
I wish him and Shannon Moore,and then also Crash Holly, which
that was an era I do notremember.
I think that was around thetime I wasn't able to watch
wrestling because of my myparents I was staying with at
the time.

Speaker 2 (01:42:09):
Crash Holly's theme song is underrated.

Speaker 1 (01:42:12):
I mean, it is hardcore Holly's Unless you're
talking about when he was in V1,cause he well no.

Speaker 2 (01:42:21):
I'm more so thinking about like when Hardcore Holly
and Crash Holly were together,and then I guess you could also
say technically, when HardcoreHolly kinda like branched out,
like that whole um, I that wasalmost on my top 10, because I
love that fucking thing, brolester, I'm gonna break your

(01:42:48):
neck one thing that really gotme too with that song is I
remember, there you were thattime that you hear like certain
WWE theme songs in likecommercials.

Speaker 1 (01:42:58):
Did you ever hear that?

Speaker 2 (01:42:59):
oh yeah the party boys theme song crash sometimes.

Speaker 1 (01:43:04):
Who's the other one?

Speaker 2 (01:43:05):
um, yes, steve Blackman yes, steve, it's funny
because, like all those I would,I would hear those theme songs
like on, like Cartoon Network,when I'm watching WB yeah, it
was on with yugioh one time andI was like the fuck which goes
to show the fact that, like, Iactually want to have to look it

(01:43:26):
up because, like I don't thinkjim johnson made those, but I
think those were.
like sometimes wwe would used todo the thing where they would
just find, like these tracksthat are just like out there,
these free use, these free usetracks that are just out there,
these free use tracks that areout there in the open.

Speaker 1 (01:43:41):
Like the Cactus Jack.

Speaker 2 (01:43:43):
one Damn I wasn't going to bring it up.
Man and I hate that onewrestling game.

Speaker 1 (01:43:50):
we did not have the Cactus Jack theme song because
they were like oh, it was PGR,Alright, so we know where that
song is really from.

Speaker 2 (01:43:59):
We didn't know that, which makes me wonder if that's
truly where it's from, or justso happily they used it.
Or maybe they used that first.

Speaker 1 (01:44:10):
I don't know and I don't care.
I remember actually watching itand I was like bro, this is,
this is stuff that you would seein playboy, so what's wrong
with it?

Speaker 2 (01:44:21):
and used to super advertised playboy so just only
because we were bouncing, we'rebouncing around on it, but like
I don't even know from, oh, Iain't bouncing on shit but go
ahead.
Wow, I'm pausing.

Speaker 1 (01:44:40):
So the Cactus.

Speaker 2 (01:44:41):
Jack theme song is oddly connected and I did not
realize how like well-known itwas connected to this Like cause
, especially going way back whenwhen we were kids and you.
You know we're fucking aroundon the internet and we're
fucking around on the internetin spots where we're not

(01:45:02):
supposed to be fucking around on, and then you find yourself on
these websites and you're alllike I'm not supposed to be
looking at this but like that'sall, because for me it was like
a.
It was one of those ones whereit's like I stumbled upon it.
I watched Mostly just because Iwas baffled at the fact that

(01:45:26):
his song was playing.
And then in my mind I'm likewhy did?
Why did they use Cactus Jack'stheme song for this?
And, of course, at that time myability to do research was piss
poor, so it was like I couldn'tfind out why.
Even today, I actually havenever looked back to see.

Speaker 1 (01:45:46):
Nobody really knows, bro.
I don't think it's one of thosethings that somebody tells you
like oh yeah, we used it becausewe fucking can.

Speaker 2 (01:45:57):
That's what I feel, and then, of course, at the time
of when I'm sure most of usdiscovered this, it's like.
It's not like we can just gosomewhere and talk to our
friends about it, be like.
Hey, so like.
So I was sneaking aroundwatching the other night on the
on the family computer, you meancorn you eating corn, yes, corn

(01:46:18):
and uh, I found this video ofthis chick, you know, doing
things and it was playing cactusjack's theme song like yeah,
you would probably getconsidered lame or weirdo for
bringing up the conversationwith your boys correct.
Therefore, it's like.
It's not until like the morerecent times, like in the like

(01:46:40):
as you get older.
It's all like.

Speaker 1 (01:46:42):
So I'm not the only one who saw that too, and then
the final basketball controversyon it the issue is WWE effed up
by letting it be known becauseI don't.
I never knew that, I never knewit.
Don't think I ever stumbledupon it.
Nobody knew it.
If you knew it and said, hey,we're not gonna use this theme

(01:47:03):
song in this game because wefound that it was this.

Speaker 2 (01:47:06):
And it was like fans like wait, what we didn't know,
oh, it is well thank you forletting us know it's funny
because that's one of thosethings where it's all like WWE
found out about it and then theyhad to make a big deal about it
.

Speaker 1 (01:47:21):
Yep snitched on themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:47:23):
And then it's like people like me, who knew about
it for years, were all like okay, now it's alright to come out
and say oh yeah, I've seen that,I've been through that, that's
old news, dawg, what are you?

Speaker 1 (01:47:39):
talking about Yo, not you, being like, oh y'all
didn't know Literally, so y'alldidn't know.

Speaker 2 (01:47:47):
I got the video saved .

Speaker 1 (01:47:49):
The video saved is crazy.
The video saved.

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
I don't.
However, I have thought aboutgoing back trying to find it to
save it.
Just because of the fact ofwhat it is, oh, as a lost relic
as I bring up again, listenthere are things that are slowly
disappearing on the internetnowadays.

(01:48:17):
They're slowly deleting theinternet.
That's just me.
Listen, it's the truth.
Listen, I might sound a littletinfoil hattie on that one, but
I got homies and I got friendswho can back me up on the fact
that there are things that usedto exist, that are slowly no

(01:48:39):
longer existing and becominglost media so give me a, give me
an example before we head outwell, like, like certain
cartoons and stuff like that orthat or or like old youtube
videos from the golden age ofYouTube have been like, slowly
disappearing.

(01:48:59):
Like of like old, you know, ofold memes, before memes was
given the name you know what I'msaying, like your shoot the
whoops your, uh, I ain't know wehad seeing the mean toe crunch.
I ain't know we had, you couldsay stuff like that, but that's
also a little bit more niche,but like on a brand on a grander

(01:49:22):
scale like your uh, yourYouTube poops, your over 9,000.

Speaker 1 (01:49:27):
Oh, my God man.

Speaker 2 (01:49:29):
This is Sparta remixes.
Uh, are we allowed to talkabout the bear?
Because, you know, sincethere's certain words, the other
P word oh no.

(01:49:49):
Yeah, that one's gone.
Yeah, However, it's funnythinking back on that because
one of those things was like man, that was just such a different
time because it was a joke tohave that brown bear with the
black eyes.
People used to put it on theircars.
I've seen bumper stickers ofthis bear, like, but it was

(01:50:22):
funny to watch at the.
I mean, yeah, it was funny towatch at the time when they were
just like making the bear runas like, yes, that those kind of
those kind of things are takenoff of youtube apparently, like
they're slowly like justdisappearing where you can't
find them.

Speaker 1 (01:50:36):
It's crazy I literally looked it up right now
listen.

Speaker 2 (01:50:44):
Youtube poop was a was a great time to be alive
like it's a.
It was a very particular typeof, and it's just interesting to
see how internet humor hasevolved in that particular sense
in an all-around bit.

Speaker 1 (01:51:09):
I'm sorry, man, I'm like few seconds in and I'm like
watching the clip.
This random segue, oh man butwe're just talking about in
general, just the, the thingsthat we are familiar with from
back in the day, and originallythe conversation was supposedly
about the mid-car who's, who'sthe under the underrated

(01:51:31):
mid-card that we are familiarwith, because next week I want
to kind of dive into wrestlersthat you know, we feel like
we're underrated, not reallyrecognized as much, but they
were really holding down thefreaking fort, uh, just like how
the same team malenko earlier II know all about that, all

(01:51:52):
about that kind of stuff which,just just just as showing
another one of my DZ shirts thatI've had here, I'm going
through the lineup right now, soI'm probably going to wear my
blue one.
Bring it on, but I can't darewhat you want to.
That, to me, is a better themesong.

(01:52:12):
So, guys, if you've been hereall of the episode, we
definitely appreciate you asalways, as just two guys who
shoot the shit, talk aboutwrestling the things that we
love, the things that we enjoy,and I should just give you
pieces of us, but with everyepisode had me out here talking
so hard I forgot I was eatingthis burrito damn um, but with

(01:52:36):
every episode there is alwaysgoing to be destruction, because
it is the Big Brothers ofDestruction podcast.
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(01:52:59):
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Speaker 2 (01:53:02):
Oh yes, anytime someone's.
I actually really love the factthat people know how much I
love Abyss.
So there will be times whereI'll just be doing something and
I'll just get randomly taggedin an Abyss video.
I'm like thank you so much andI'll just get randomly tagged in
an abyss video.
I'm like.

Speaker 1 (01:53:17):
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Speaker 2 (01:53:35):
It's your boy Swag Switch about to get down on this
burrito Pause.

Speaker 1 (01:53:40):
Nah, that's okay.
That's okay, we're out, guys.
Peace.

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