Here Comes the Pain

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
welcome guys to another episode of the big
brothers of destruction podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
It's the masako and it's your boy.
Double jb swag switch in thebuilding.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
You know what it is so, uh, I'm trying to be very
formal with the microphone setup now.
I'm trying to be very broadcastheavy, coming in with the news,
and we got some crazy things totalk about today.
But one thing I'm reallylooking forward to is seeing
what's me and Swag Switch's topfive wrestling games of all time

(00:41):
.
And again, when we're sayingthat topic of wrestling games,
it can be from any genre.
It can be from WWE, aew, ecw,it doesn't matter where, but
it's in the category ofwrestling game.
That is the main thing.
It has to be a wrestling gameof some sort.
Hold on.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
It was supposed to be top five.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
Top ten, excuse me, top ten, top ten, my bad Top ten
.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
That was a clinical error for be top 10, top 10, my
bad top 10.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
That was, uh, okay, aware of me?
Yep, I was about to say I waslike, because that means I
overachieved once again.
No, no, no, that's supposed tobe top 10, top 10 and um.
So, with the idea of top 10wrestling games of all time, it
could be from anywhere, but aswe go into the episode, we're
gonna go into the wild world ofwrestling segment that is Swag
Switcher.
Please tell me what is the wildand crazy things you've seen in

(01:31):
the wrestling world this week?

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Well, to kind of do a little backtrack here on things
that have been going on inwrestling, I personally had to
do some soul searching because,as we all know, the pipe bomb
that happened with John Cena,everybody has been saying, oh,

(01:55):
it's the greatest thing sincesliced bread.
It's this, it's that, it's thenthe other.
And I don't think and I don'tthink and I still don't think it
is.
I even went back to watch it tosee is there something that I'm
missing?
And no, I didn't miss anything.
It is out of all the people whoI went back because I thought I

(02:22):
was the problem, and maybe Istill am.
But with all the people who Iwent back to, like, I thought I
was the problem and maybe Istill am.
But, like with all the peoplewho I went back to go watch them
do their version of this pipebomb and stuff like, or their
see their views on it.
I do believe I think theirWrestleTalk.
The two English guys, yeah,yeah, yeah.
I think.
Out of everyone who I listen to,I think they align the most

(02:46):
with my views on the pipe bomband it's the fact that, no, it
is not the greatest promo ever.
It's not even the greatest promothat has happened this year
across the board, okay, okay, itit wasn't.
Listen, I will argue it tillI'm blue in the face Hangman,

(03:07):
adam Page and Will Ospreay forthe number one contenders match
and also for the Owen HartChallenge title.
That promo that they had goinginto that match flawless, it was
flawless, it was perfection.

(03:27):
That was the standard forpromos this year and no one is
meeting that, or at least no onehas been able to meet that yet
and I don't think anyone will asfar as this year goes.
But what they said, they reallyhit the nail on the head.

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And it's the fact that it wasmeant to be John Cena poking fun
at CM Punk, because it's JohnCena saying like, hey, you did
this pipe bomb thing, look, Ican do it too and I can make
people like it just as much asthey liked it when you did it.
It's the whole, it's because itreally peers into their whole

(04:12):
situation that they had, wherethe roles are reversed.
Yeah.
You know, as WWE has been put inthis whole yin yang situation,
and so with that, I feel as if,like, out of everyone, like
they're the ones that I thinkthey kind of like they align
with my feelings, though theyactually still thought it was

(04:35):
good, I thought it was meh.
You know what I'm sayingbecause like and another man.
Okay, oh, and the other thingwas, which they also touched on,
is the fact that because I alsoagree is not only is the fact
that, like cena did not reallysay anything very pipe bomb
worthy nah, he didn't drop nolike dirty laundry or anything

(05:01):
like that but I think the otherpiece which, like, as they said,
I'm like I think I fall intothat category Since the very
first pipe bombs, right Sincethe very first pipe bomb that he
dropped over 10 years ago, howmany pipe bombs have we had
since then?
Supposed pipe bombs We've hadplenty.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
I don't know if carrying cross is technically.
You know that promo had sincethen Supposed pipe bombs.
We've had plenty.
I don't know if carrying crossis technically.
You know that promo he didrecently, but people call it a
pipe bomb.
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, becausehe said fuck Jungle Boy dropped
a pipe.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Jungle Boy dropped a pipe bomb.
Yeah, the Bucks have droppedtheir own pipe.
These pipe bombs you know, whatis considered definition wise
exactly so it's like ever sinceCM Punk's pipe bomb.
There's been several pipe bombsthat have happened since then,

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where if you're gonna drop apipe bomb, it actually needs to
explode.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
I think that's the thing about wrestling is
everybody wants the next drama,the next thing that gets people
talking, and so you kind of pushthings in pipe bomb territory
just for the sake of calling ita pipe bomb, because there have
been multiple shoot interviewsfrom people like Simon Gotch I
think it was Simon Gotch, theone, the guy from what was that

(06:33):
tag team where it was like backin the Stone Age Wow, they were
in Stone Age.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
You're talking about the Vaudevillians.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah, vaudevillians, but yes, you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Simon Gotch.
So vod villains?
Yeah, homie, but yes, you'retalking about simon gosh.
Yeah, so I was right okay, so Iwas right.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Um, but yeah, but everybody considers that shoot
promo on him on enzo amore aslike a very strong shoot in.
In all reality that's theequivalent of a pipe bomb.
You're shooting really hard onsomething and exposing the
business or exposing that thingthat's going on in the business.
So it's like that to me, youknow is a level of a pipe bomb,

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but nobody calls it a pipe bomb,because a pipe bomb, I guess,
to people is when you're onstage in front of people, you're
saying the things, you'rebreaking the fourth wall, you're
exposing the business in realtime in front of people.
There's no person that can cutyour mind, cut your fee, because
you're saying too much.
And and that's where JohnCena's failed, because even when

(07:38):
he said yo, they didn't turnoff my mic.
It's like because you're notsaying anything, you're not
saying anything.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
There was a.
There was a bit like when hesaid that part, there was
actually a very small commentthat he made that I did not
catch the first time.
That was kind of funny becausehe was all like because he did,
you know, we did the.
Are y'all gonna come to this?
Like?
Because, like he's like didy'all cut my mic?
You know they obviously didn't.
And then he was like of course,did y'all cut my mic?
You know, it's like theyobviously didn't.
And then he was like, of coursethey're not gonna cut my mic

(08:08):
off.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
It was like I was like oh okay, I missed that dig
yeah, that's why I was wonderingif you saw that too, because,
um, that was a a dig at, uh,just the whole nature of the
pipe bomb itself, because it'slike, yeah, it's Cena they cut
off CM Punk, but they're notgonna cut me off.

(08:30):
I'm John motherfucking Cenathat is a big thing but, yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
I just wanted to touch back on that, the fact
that I did go back.
I thought I was crazy after Iwatched Busted Open the whole
pipe bomb situation.
I was crazy After I watchedBusted Open.
They're just like the wholepipe bomb situation.
I was like, oh my God, did Iwatch the same thing?
Because Mark Henry Bubba Rayout here greatest thing ever.

(08:57):
Call me if you think otherwise.
I wanted to.
I'm like geez.
Yeah they were definitelyglazing it.
There was more than glaze fam.
That shit was Krispy Kremeworthy, my guy.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
They were gargling everything.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Like it was Rhea's bathwater, brother, like it was
Rhea's bathwater, it was goinghard.
I was just like which was which?
Then I had to like.
Then I watched a couple ofother videos and like, yeah, no,
everyone thought it was themost beautiful thing they've
ever seen.

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Now, speaking of thatparticular thought process, I
need to get your opinion becausemaybe I'm missing and I know
you're, probably.
I think you're a bit aboutaligned, as I am, with this
thought process, but since whendid Sasha Banks, mercedes Monet,

(09:58):
become in the top two forgreatest women's wrestlers in
the universe right now?
Who the fuck said that?
Shit?
Everybody, brother.
I don't understand why there'sso many people who are like CEO
is the greatest wrestler of alltime, right?

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Nope, greatest female wrestler of all time, almost
sharing the spotlight with IoShirai, is what they're saying
here's the thing Charlotte Flairis gonna be considered a better
candidate for that before Sashaever even put in the category.

(10:40):
I'm sorry as much as we don'tlike.
Well, you obviously is thequeen to you, um, but everybody
else will probably consider heras greatest of all time before
even sasha's, even in theconversation.
Okay, sasha, it's honestly Iwon't say a lackey, but if

(11:04):
charlotte is on the throne, uh,sasha is definitely one of the
seconds in command, or somepeople that's nearby as an
attack dog.
You know, like I could not.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
I would have put bailey before sasha banks hell
fucking.
Yes, hell yes, like no, no, shestill beats Becky Lynch, in my
opinion, though I'm not evengonna try, I'm sorry, okay, okay
okay, real quick, real quick,because we're gonna talk about
this.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
If we're talking about the four horsemen category
, alright.
Now, if we're talking about thefour horsewomen, I'm
specifically just talking aboutthe four horsewomen.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
I'm specifically just talking about the four
horsewomen.
Okay, Because, I'm not bringingin people like Asuka and stuff
like that.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
If we're doing that right now Charlotte is still on
top it's going to be Bayley, andI'm sorry, I will put Becky
over over sasha.
Right, I will put becky oversasha.
Yeah, you can look at me thatway all you want to.
I'm putting becky over sashabecause, here's the thing, at

(12:16):
least becky had characterdevelopment.
Sasha is the same fuckingcharacter.
There's no development in her.
All right, can we?
Can we at least agree on that?
Like, because becky, yeah, shebecame the man and then at least
, when she left that and shebecame, um, the, the hollywood
version of her, like, she atleast changed, she at least

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developed.
And even now, on this run, eventhough she's intercontinental
champion there is a story thereCEO is still doing that dumb ass
dance Like I loved it when shewas first doing it as the boss,
but now, as she's doing it asCEO, it's starting to piss me
off, because it's like, bro,like why are you dancing?

Speaker 2 (13:01):
An interesting observation I've seen people
make about with uh, with herright, because, as is being said
, she left the wwe outside ofthere.
Was that one issue that causedher and um naomi to dip, yeah,
but aside from that, she feltlike as if she was not getting

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the opportunities she wanted.
You know, there was that wholething where I guess they felt
she felt like as if she was notgetting the opportunities she
wanted.
You know, there was that wholething where I guess they felt
she felt that people were sayingthat she was feeling like uh,
you know, like charlotte flairwas getting all of the attention
and getting all of the titlesand the opportunities and people
like her wasn't gettinganywhere, and so she left now.

(13:46):
And she left because she wantedto get, she wanted to have
better opportunities and these,you know, wanted to bring and
make women's wrestling better.
However, she's not doing that.
Which I can I easily can agreewith this is the fact that in
her push to try and get thesebetter opportunities, she has

(14:11):
made herself no better thanearly Charlotte Flair,
comparably speaking.
I mean yeah, yeah, yeah, lookout, Tell me.
Well, I won't say tell me, butI am going to say this to you is
the fact that when you look atthe AEW women's division, right,

(14:31):
tony Khan, aew has put sopowerful of a focus on Mercedes
Monet that the rest of thewomen's division has become an
afterthought, a full onafterthought.

(14:54):
It's literally Tony or nothing,and the problem is they've kind
of worked themselves into a bitof a shoe, because when you look
at this match right now,outside of the fact that they're
doing a horrible job ofpromoting it right, and the fact
that I will say on AEW, sashagave, comparatively speaking, a
good promo, was not great.

(15:16):
Still, give me Monet.
Oh, yeah, monet.
Sorry, I was like when you saidSasha.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
I was just trying to confirm.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
CEO.
She gave probably one of herbetter promos on AEW, or no?
Or was that AEW?
No, I think that was actuallyon Collision when she had that
little promo.
But the only problem is thefact that I feel as if she's
doing this a little too late inthis feud, because at this point

(15:45):
it's who cares, which isunfortunately a lot of stuff
going on with AEW right now.
It's like who's really caring,but it's like Mercedes has
Mercedes because apparently,from what I've heard through the
grapevine of looking at acouple of videos, apparently
Mercedes Monet listen she's inher Hulk Hogan era right now,

(16:09):
like she has creative controlover what she's doing right now.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
I will agree, and I also feel like it's Kurt Angle
with all the belts at one pointtoo, because she has all the
belts.
But Kurt Angle had, like the XDivision, the World Heavyweight,
the tag like he had all thebelts but there's a way to do it
.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
There's a way to do it where, instead of literally
burying all of the talent on AEWwhich she has effectively done,
so you know there's a way tomake it at least credible, where
some of these other girls likemean something because, like
right now, with the way thatthis match goes, there's tony

(16:54):
storm and then there's her.
Now, unless on this next show,mercedes drops that tbs title,
which would be crazy, I don'tthink that's going to happen.
But unless she drops this tbstitle, it's like what's what are
we?
What's what happens with thismatch?

(17:16):
Because either mercedes beatstony storm and now mercedes is,
has effectively become the finalboss, as she has, you know, a
thousand and two belts now andso, like, obviously nobody can
beat her or year with her,they're going to just flush it

(17:43):
down the toilet so that TonyStorm gets a W.
That, in a tactical sense,doesn't do anything for her so
Tony doesn't need the win, butneither does Monet.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
I mean, this is the thing about this match is the
unfortunate that Monet is goingto win?
I feel that because I don'tknow what story they're going to
tell if she doesn't, becausethis will be like what?
Her first loss?
Because she hasn't lostanything.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
This will be her first actual pinfall lose
Because she did lose about oneof her many titles.
She did lose one becausesomebody else got pinned in the
match.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
So with that creative control.
Thing one of those creativecontrol things that I guess is
fucking it up is she's nevertaken a pin.
And then she's definitely onher Hulk Hgan era because it's
like yo, brother, I'm not takinga pin, brother, I'm not doing
this, I'm not doing that andthat, but it hurts the business
and it hurts her legacy, becausethat's what charlotte is doing

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is.
That's what charlotte isexperiencing right now well,
well, charlotte was in that.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
That's the thing, though, because I can't say that
Charlotte was burying thefemale talent in WWE, but then
again, you know, I got therose-colored glasses on.
I don't see what other peoplesee when it comes to Charlotte,
because they also still buildher as still being beatable.
So it's like she was not.

(19:23):
She was not.
Uh, she was built very stronglyas a female competitor, but she
was not built in a way where itseemed like nobody could win
against her it was more so thefact.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
It was more so the fact that in every scenario
where it was like, okay,charlotte was gone and gone and
Charlotte would come back, shewas immediately put on a title
picture and she was immediatelygiven the belt.
It was like as if um, also, atthe same time, charlotte never
had any character development.
She's never really experiencedanything that would make her a

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relatable character or acharacter who's grown like
perfect example.
Look at hangman Adam pagecharacter or a character who's
grown like perfect example.
Look at hangman adam page.
Hangman adam page was prettymuch a cookie cut.
I'm the baby face of thiscompany, right.
And then they put him in thedark order.
That situation made him havecharacter development.
The situation with him in omega, where they were friends, and

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you know the whole glass of milkwe all know that that's his
thing like just small littleincrements that help you
understand the character that ishangman.
And then his dissension,dissension to madness, uh, with
the whole uh, swerve situation.
Like there's characterdevelopment.
Name me one thing charlotte haswent through.
That's given me characterdevelopment.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
Oh, I'm glad you gave me that opportunity to retort
because when charlotte has wentthrough, that's given me
character development.
So I'm glad you gave me thatopportunity to retort, because
when charlotte flair was in nxtright before she became what she
is now, or even close to itright there was she kind of had
like there was.
She started out as like withthis little kind of like girl
squad type situation, which iswhere her and sasha banks were

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actually, you know, originallyfriends and I do believe uh, uh,
summer, adams or summer waspart of that squad as well, that
thing.
But charlotte used to be like abeautiful, white, white cheat
baby face.
Yeah, okay, she was a baby facethen, right, and that was

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before she became as where sheis now.
She was, you know, the white,hot baby face, you know, doing
it for the fans, high-fivingpeople signing autographs and
all this other stuff.
She was that baby face, right.
But she went through this arcof discovering that she's like

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I'm good to, no, I'm damn good.
She went from if you're goingto do it, do it with Flair, to
I'm the child of Ric Flair, whois the greatest of all time, so
I should be the greatest of alltime.
So I should be the greatest ofall time too, and she had that
small little area where it waslike she was with her dad, who

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was her manager and just anyother.
And then she had that morewhere she's like oh I'm, I don't
need my dad anymore, I, I canbe the, I could be a flair on my
own.
And then it was at that pointwhere she began her ascension to
queenhood, which is where she'sat right now.

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She has gone through herascension to queenhood.
Now, where she's currently atis the fact of she's in this
space, where she's realizingthat, after being gone for that
long, she's come back, she's,she has fallen from her
queenhood and she's having ahard time wrapping her brain

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around that fact, which is, Ithink, what this whole situation
with Alexa Bliss that'shappening right now, because
Alexa Bliss is all likeCharlotte, you need some fucking
help.
And Charlotte's like no, no, no, no, no, I'm a queen, I got
this when she does it kind ofthing.
And right now we're in theprocess of starting to see this

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interesting switch with her andAlexa Bliss right now, which
we're waiting to see wherethat's going to end up turning
out later on.
But, like you know, but that isher change and it's like one of
those things where herdevelopment that she had she was
that young kid that was anupstart at NXT who became

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undeniably great.
And then she went to the pointshe became so great that she
realized that I don't needanybody else's help because I'm
so great.
I am a queen type thing, likeshe did have that point where
she had her jester, which wasgoddamn Dana Brooks, for a hot

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minute but she dropped her aftera bit and she's like, yeah, no,
I'm, I'm, I'm the shit.
You know what I'm saying.
And that's her space right now.
Her character development washer finding her way to be the
queen that she now claims thatshe is.
And now she's in a space whereshe still sees herself as that

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queen.
But the playing field haschanged and now has changed and
now she's trying to figure herway through that because she
still sees herself as a queen,but she has not proven that
statement just yet.
And so that's where thatparticular bit is.
Now, with what you were sayingabout with the character
development and everything, it'slike not all character

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development means they gottacompletely change who they are.
Look at Stone Cold, steveAustin.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
You know what I'm saying he's also had character
development though that that,before you go into that, I
wanted I wanted to get into thefact that we can go back to
Stone Cold, but I want you torealize, in that time frame that
you just gave with CharlotteFlair, you basically have told
that she's a nepto baby who onegrew up to.

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Okay, I'm Charlotte Flair'sdaughter.
Let me showcase that.
Okay, I'm Charlotte Flair'sdaughter.
Now, all right, I'm actuallywinning titles.
Oh, yeah, I'm Charlotte Flair.
I'm Rick Flair's daughter.
I have him with me now and, oh,I don't need my dad anymore.
Okay, I'm charlotte flair.
There wasn't, there was more soa trajectory of her being

(25:31):
basically, uh, um, basicallylike her dad and then making her
own lane.
But what I'm talking about withfans and and, like myself, want
to see is where are her flaws?
She has no flaws and that's thething that makes fans annoyed
by.
She doesn't have any characterflaws that showcase she's human.

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She's just this, and every timeshe comes back or any situation
that involves a title match,she just wins.
And people get annoyed by that,because you're now at a point
where any time Charlotte's gonefor any reason, she comes back
and she's immediately thrown inthe title picture and there's no

(26:18):
.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Are you expecting her to come back and be thrown in
the mid-card?

Speaker 1 (26:24):
No, no, no, we're not saying that, but we're talking
about when we say title pictureis we're talking about
immediately.
like her coming back she is, butshe's not getting a chance to
grind for it.
You know how, with stone cole,he at least grinds for getting
the title back.
If he loses it, like he mighthave to do a royal rumble, he

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might have to go through agauntlet, he might have to do
something that gives him a grind.
Charlotte flair comes back.
She spares somebody and she'sin the next pay-per-view match
in the heavyweight title picture, like that's.
That's the difference betweenhers, and so fans don't get to
see her rise.
It's just you come back, you'reimmediately in the next match,

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you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
That's because those fans did not watch her in NXT.
She had to rise in NXT and it'sone of those things correct
notice how you're saying it's inNXT.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
When she gets to main roster, anytime she steps down
for two seconds.
It's never to do something else.
It's like, okay, she gotinjured, she's gone, but if she
comes back, she comes back andis immediately in front of
whoever's champion and it's likewell, you got my belt, so I'm
going to get it back now, andliterally all she does is get it

(27:44):
back, and then literally allshe does is get it back, and
then, when she loses, she goesinto high heels and comes back
and get it back.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Now I can also defend that particular bit, being the
fact that back in those timesthat was all that there was.
There was only that title.
There's several titles now,kind of thing.
Now, sure, she came back andshe was able to get herself into
the main event slot in the mainevent picture, I mean,

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technically, the royal rumble isa grind per se, but she lost
and now she's in a space whereshe is grinding at this point.
But it's one of those thingswhere, when she, because of the
fact and I would say this foranyone who is a main event
player per se- whether if welike it or not, because this

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same kind of thing goes withJohn Cena is like when you're as
good as what Charlotte Flair is, it's like of course you're
going to come back and be putright in the main event scene.
Like because you're greatness,you're that damn good.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
And that's the same thing with John Cena too.
So remember how you didn't atone point like John Cena,
because he's like oh, John Cenalulz.
It's the same thing withCharlotte.
But why is it okay if Charlottedoes it, but Cena can't?

Speaker 2 (29:14):
I don't think I've ever said that John Cena can't.
I just said that.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
I didn't like the fact that John Cena did okay,
but that's what the fans are atright now with Charlotte, but
you're like, but that'sgreatness, you see what I'm
saying like it's okay, charlottecan do it, but Cena can't.
Charlotte can do it, but Sinacan't not necessarily.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
I mean sure, I guess you can say that if that's how
you want to go with it.
But it's like with what youwere saying with the whole
character development typesituation.
I can't agree with you at thefact that she has not had
development with her characterwhat are some of charlotte's

(29:50):
flaws then?

Speaker 1 (29:51):
what is charlotte's flaws as a human, besides her
being constantly a championbecause, like her, biggest flaw
is the fact she sees herself asbeing that great.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
When you see yourself as being this queen and what
not, of course that goesstraight to your head.
Now, of course, if it's asituation of, as my Dolph
Ziggler shirt says, it's not,you know, if you can back it up,
it's not called bragging Thenat that point I guess it just

(30:29):
sucks us up that you're not abetter wrestler than Charlotte
Flair, is that thing?
Or in other cases, it justsucks to suck that you're not
being booked like CharlotteFlair.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
So a perfect example of that too could be the whole
title switch thing between herand Becky and like throwing the
belt at each other, like it.
The flaw is, like you're saying, like I am a queen, you should
respect me as a queen.
But I will agree that right nowwe could be potentially seeing
that development in her, of hercoming back and realizing that

(31:03):
the playing field has changed.
You know, I'm saying she's not,um, she's not as glorified as
she was, because we have newpeople to glorify.
Like obviously, the tiffy, thetiffy charlotte flair match was
really hyped for me because it'slike wow, this is charlotte
being now put down into apedestal of you are not as queen

(31:25):
as you used to be.
There's a new queen or there's anew thing here and and I hate
to do this, but it's literallythat it's it's the old hotness
being being faced with the newhotness, because tiffany is
technically that new hot.
Yeah, it's, that's, that's that.
That was that's what I'm saying.

(31:46):
That's the story of thatWrestlemania match.
To me that made it greatbecause that was the development
of realizing you are not thathotness anymore against the new
hotness but the fact that yougot it get and it's like.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Once again, I can understand why people hated it,
but at the end of the day,charlotte Flair, not only was
that hotness, but like shelooked, like she should be.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
Yeah, and I think with the build-up of that match
is like where the shift changedfor me, because when first
Charlotte came and got thatRoyal Rumble win, fans were
pissed.
But then whenever we got thatTiffy and Charlotte Flair
buildup, that became the matchof the fucking pay-per-view.

(32:34):
You had to see that shitbecause you were like yo, the
buildup was crazy.
I mean, I remember calling youand saying yo, bro, did you see
the fight Like yo, did you seethat Like crazy fight between
the two?
Because that shit felt real.
And that's the thing I thinkwhat wrestling fans, as we enjoy
storytelling, we enjoy.
Okay, obviously, you give usthis monster baby face, this

(32:57):
monster heel, like we understandthe program that is wrestling.
And then there's those momentsin wrestling that you want to be
real, you want it to berelatable, you want it to be
where I can feel what's going on, like Johnny Wrestling.
Whenever in NXT you felt thosemoments and this Charlotte and

(33:18):
Tiffy moment was felt.
But in every program beforethat with Charlotte you couldn't
feel that.
It was just like Cena lull,charlotte lull.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
And I think that's I don't agree with that completely
, because I don't.
For me, with Charlotte Flair itdid not.
Maybe the only reasons why Iwould say that people probably
felt like it was a certain wayis because after a while it
almost felt like there was apattern.
But then, as soon as there wasa certain ways because after a
while it almost felt like therewas a pattern, but then as soon
as there was a pattern, shewould lose the belt once again.

(33:53):
She did not hold the belt allthose time for a super duper
long time.
She dropped it plenty.
It's passed around differentpeople, but the thing was is the
fact that, comparably speaking,which when it came to John Cena
and Charlotte Flair, to me JohnCena felt purposely predictable

(34:17):
okay, purposely predictable,like it actually felt like oh,
john Cena, lol, of course he'sgonna win so you didn't feel
that way with Charlotte.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
Sometimes, though, you didn't feel that was
predictable.
Sometimes with Charlotte.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
No, I didn't, because with the women that they had at
that time, to me it seemed like, well, it seemed like there'd
be more times where I would havefigured that she would.
I thought Charlotte was goingto lose more times than she won,
the only reasons why I everwould be like, oh yeah, of
course Charlotte's going to win,because number one, charlotte's

(34:53):
my girl.
Plus, I like stirring the pot.
I ain't going to lie to you.
I like to you know, especiallywhen it's somebody's favorite
person.
But at the same time I was assurprised as everybody else when
Charlotte would win, type thing.
I'm gonna disagree with that onewas gonna beat Asuka, I

(35:16):
would've never thought that shitthat.
I would've never thought.
But then, at the same time,though, when some of the matches
that she had, and it's all likeyou know, it's like I feel it
could go either way, but I feellike Charlotte's going to win.
At that point, for me, to acertain degree, it's like she's

(35:41):
going to win because Charlotte'sjust that good and it's not
like she did not have fantasticmatches where it looked like at
least they made it seem like shewas going to lose.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
I'm like with like john cena's it was like you know
john cena formula, you knowwhat I'm saying like this is why
I love about us, because we canhave these debates and like it
could be completely like,because, like, our views on
wrestling is different.
Like I mean, we are wrestlingfans.
What we see in the product isgoing to be one way and what we

(36:12):
see as in our vision ofwrestling is going to be
completely different.
Like, I enjoy death, deathmatch wrestling.
You're not really a super hugefan of it.
Uh, there are certaincharacters that we like.
There's certain characters thatwe love.
That's the beautiful thing aboutwrestling, and and I don't one
of the reasons why I made uscreate this podcast because it's
shit like that but I come tosay this is that you, you are

(36:33):
absolutely, you, absolutelycorrect with the greatness
standpoint of Charlotte.
That was one of the reasons whyshe was my queen too.
I enjoyed the fact that she wasjust that damn good in the ring
.
It was just her match buildupsjust didn't, didn't hit like.
But the thing I want to get at,to kind of conclude it, because

(36:54):
we completely derailed.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
We completely derailed you did it, not me.
I feel, you should know that,like, if you're going to come at
someone who is like my peoples,you need to have fucking time
stamps, dates like Availability.
Like you need to come hard ifyou're going to try and denounce
someone who is the name thatI'm very Like, I wish you

(37:19):
weren't coming here.
I'm denouncing it.
Like talk some Any slight, illwill Try coming here and do some
shit like that with kane oh no,nigga, I can't.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
I mean same thing with pensa.
It's same thing as well.
I mean we it's, we're good.
That's what I'm saying.
That's the beautiful thingabout wrestling.
We will debate the shit that weare passionate about, the
characters that we love, thethings that we see, because they
mean something to us.
And that's why I always bringwhen you brought the general
public thing about sasha,because it all stemmed from a
sasha conversation.

(37:52):
It's the the level of how wecan start a conversation about
sasha and exposing certainthings and all of a sudden we're
here about charlotte.
Like that's the beauty behind,uh, being passionate about
something like wrestling is.
There's so much lore, there'sso much history, there's so much
connection to what we see asthe thing that is wrestling.

(38:16):
We all have a view of whatwrestling should be.
To conclude, I am excited aboutseeing what this development
with her and Alexa Bliss isgoing to be.
Sasha should not even be in thecategory of.
I would say top, she's like intop 20 maybe.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Top 20.
Yeah, top 20.
Yeah.
I agree, yeah, I don't knowwhere in top 20, but not top
five right now, not top 5 whichis which people are putting are
higher like yeah, like you said,top 2 like literally people
want to say that Sasha Banks andEO Sky are number 1 and number
2 and they're apparentlyinterchangeable and no man,

(39:06):
that's a.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
You know what that's.
That would be a good topic forthe next episode is who are our
top 10 favorite women wrestlersof all time?
I feel like that would be agood, because I'm curious to
hear yours now, because Iwouldn't say our top 10 women's
wrestler of all time.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
I would say the better question is as of the as
it currently stands, who do wethink is the best women's
wrestler?
Okay, okay, at the current, Ithink that would be a because,
that's what people are sayingthat right now well, I mean,
they, they are kind of saying ofall time, but like.
But at the same time I'm likeall time, all time.

(39:48):
And just looking at the women'swrestling scape as it is at
this very moment, who is thebest currently?
who is the best currently, andthey're putting Sasha Banks and
Io Sky at the top tippy top.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
Io Sky is a wrestler.
I'm just going to leave it atthis.
Io Sky is a great wrestler,great person.
I've met her a couple of timesbut we'll definitely dive into
that.
I feel like that's going to bea whole episode conversation.
We're not even going to have aweek of wrestling.
Let's just save that shit.
Save that shit.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Yeah, we will parking lot brawl that one there.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Yeah, parking lot brawl.
What was it?
What was that match?
It was with Ken Shamrock versusSteve Blackman.
It was the.
They were fighting in thatparking lot with the cars and
shit.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
I mean, those were usually called parking lot brawl
matches.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Yeah, but it was a specific name for that one.
I can't remember what it was.
I'm gonna come back.
There's a parking lot brawl, Idon't know it but I want to say
it's lions dinner, some shitlike that.
Anyway, besides point um, yeah,that's different.
Let's, let's, let's go into theuh, next portion of what the
wild week of wrestling is.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Uh, what is going on so, outside what we just got
done, talking about I'm a, I'm alightly skim over the uh like
smackdown raw nxt was actuallyum, from what I remember was
kind of sort of uh, it wasactually a little uh, lackluster
hold on hold, on, hold, on.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
I'm sorry to interrupt you with this now, but
I'm curious what did you thinkabout that punk segment at
SmackDown?

Speaker 2 (41:37):
It was better than the pipe bomb.
I'll give it that Goddamn rightit was, it was.
It was fun when the pipe bombcame off, very hokey-pokey and
annoying this.
This was fun.
Cm Punk getting his lip back.

(41:59):
Cm Punk going in and doing thefull John Cena rapping at him
and everything doing his littlebow rap thing.
That was.
I ain't gonna lie, that wassolid.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
Can we talk about his fucking fit, though?
The fit was fire.
The fit was fucking fire.
You can't tell me you would notrock that fit.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
I mean, if I really wanted to, I could, because I
actually got some baseball.
As a matter of fact, I have aCubs baseball jersey.
So like I could do a new.
I could do the new versionbecause like I have like the new
, like the red, white and blueCubs baseball button-up, so like

(42:44):
hell I could do it with the newjersey.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
I still got my baseball jerseys too.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
Well, these ones I got from the old spot that I
used to work at, but I alsorecently bought myself a, which
now I have to start watching it.
Now that I own this piece ofmerchandise, because I'm a
really big pretender of if I'mgoing to buy the merchandise, I
got to know about what it isthat I'm wearing.
Sports is a little.

(43:10):
Sports is a slight exception.
I used to work for a sportscompany and so I used to wear
the sports stuff that they wouldjust give us because they just
had it lying around, kind ofthing.
But I got a straw hat.
Crew baseball jersey.
Oh, okay.

(43:32):
So it's got the straw hat symboland everything.
It's got a picture of Luffy onit and I think it says Luffy on
the back and it's got doublezeros, or something.
But it's a really cool shirt,so I was all like hell.
Yeah, I actually those whofollow me on Instagram, which is
Swag Switcher.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Swag.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Switcher.
That's Swag Switcher.
You'll actually see me wearingit.
But yeah, I know I thought itwas like I said it was better
than the Pipe Bomb and becauseof what he was doing, it's like,
okay, it feels more betterexecuted Because he is now, in

(44:19):
return, giving John Cena thereceipt of saying oh so you
think you're seeing Punk doing apipe bomb?
Well, I'm going to be John Cenaand I'm going to spit some bars
.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
My nigga had bars though, bro, the X line, he's
like yo.
I'd be a little pissed off ifmy job hired my ex too.
Nigga, I said, oh shit.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
And his ending line where he say I'm Kendrick and
I'm going to make you my Drake.
What?
Yes, I said oh, nigga who.
His ending line where he sayI'm Kendrick and I'm gonna make
you my Drake.
What?

Speaker 1 (44:48):
Yes, I said, oh, did it be who wrote these bars?
Though I wanna know who wrotethese bars, cause some of them
were really good.
I was like it couldn't havebeen Cena.
I mean, I don't know.
I was just like who wrote thesebars?

Speaker 2 (45:02):
It was, yeah, it was some good stuff with that one.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Yeah, and since we're talking about he did stumble a
little bit but yeah, which, yeah, but I let it slide.
Yeah, I let it slide.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
It was his first time I let it slide, I was like I
let it slide, but I'm very upsetabout what they did to the
White Six.
The whole tag team division hadto come out there and screw up
the tag team match against theStreet Profits.
I'm like that's crazy.
However, that being said, I didfuck with that.

(45:38):
I want to give a shout out tothe SmackDown tag team division
and I think they're beingcompletely disrespected right
now because the Raw tag TeamDivision is absolutely ass.
The SmackDown Tag Team Divisionis absolutely fire and nobody
wants to treat them with therespect they should have been in

(46:02):
the Saudi Arabia pay-per-viewdoing something.
They should have been at theWrestleMania pay-per-view doing
something.
They should have been at theWrestleMania pay-per-view doing
something.
The fact that they had, insteadof being on WrestleMania that
was a two-night affair, might wesay and they couldn't find a
way to put the other tag teamtitles on that match and the

(46:25):
fact that instead they decidedto have a TLC match on free TV
Let him cook now that TLC matchwith the Prophets DIY and the
Machine Guns.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
I said let him cook Bro.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
That match would have beat out WrestleMania period.
That would have stole theWrestleMania show if they would
have put it on WrestleMania.
And maybe that's why they did,because they didn't want the
boys to get that shine.
But the Street Profits needs tohave better respect put on

(47:08):
their name.
I'm just saying they are outhere squandering with them.
I mean sure, I guess it's coolif y'all just want them to be
great on SmackDown even thoughthey have pay-per-view worthy
matches all the time.
Hell this match that they had onSmackDown, where the whole
locker room came out there andinterfered.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
That's pay-per-view worthy can we find out who is
the producer for those shits?
Cause, like, depending on whothat producer is cause obviously
they produce a segment theyneed to just do everything.
Tag team division cause, yeah,like you said before, raw, raw
tag team division is ass.
I mean shit.
They're literally about to putthe Usos back together just to

(47:49):
revive the Tag Team Division inRaw, because I don't even think
the Usos can fix that.
War Raiders no New Day Alpha.
Academy.
They're not doing anything.
Who else is there?
Those are the only fucking thattells you how bad that division
is, because you don't know thefuck who else is there.
Those are the only Fucking thattells you how bad that division

(48:11):
is, because you don't know thefuck.
Phantasmo, they got the AAAbelts, bro.
Oh my God it is right now.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
And they're not even Raw tag team.
They was originally a tag teamon SmackDown.
Smackdown is the place wheretag team wrestling is doing the
thing, but El Fantasmo is alllike hey, tna all over again.
Damn TNA all over again bro.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Where TNA was non-stop action, smackdown's tag
division is non-stop action.
I mean that man cooked, hecooked, though you know what I'm
saying he's fat, he's fat.
I'm going to have to put downthe no mercy.
Know, your rule is cooking.
Because that was a cookingsegment, bro Listen.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
I'm just, it bothers me.
And you know because whenListen, I'm just, it bothers me.
And you know because whensomeone needs to do better, I'm
not going to discriminate.
It's just too bad that it'salways AEW who really needs to
do better Segment-wise.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
Wrestling, like you told me recently, was good.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Listen, this past AEW has some of the best wrestling
I've seen in a minute, but fuckthe segments.
Like, like fuck the segments.
But that's why I wasn't evenreally even gonna talk about it.
Like I mean great wrestling,freaking mercedes out here
putting her boyfriend overgetting them in these main event
matches can we talk about?

Speaker 1 (49:47):
uh I want to talk about this again because I have
brought it up to matt uh, howabout adam pierce's bad
parenting techniques?
He rewarded bad behavior again,which brought the saudi match
between raquel and, uh, rheaRipley.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Well, now I will say I can't say I mean yes, but at
least this time it wasn't RheaRipley, who, because he likes to
favor her, he still kind ofdoes give her whatever she asks.
He's got to be drinking thebathwater, because he definitely
gives her.
You're saying no to Rhea Ripley, though Am I saying no to?

(50:30):
That's not what's up fordiscussion right now.
What I'm saying is what.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
I'm saying is, I'm just saying, though, if Rhea
Ripley says I don't know if youlike the phrase, tati, but if
she comes up to you and be likeI want something and you know
it's Rhea Ripley, is you reallysaying no to Rhea Ripley, though
You'd be like, alright, youknow what, let me make it happen
for you, baby.
Let me make it happen for you.
I look at the black lipstick.

(51:00):
She hits me with that smile.
I'm cooked.
It's like damn, you know what.
I can't really say no to mybaby.
She don't know we boyfriend andgirlfriend, but we is together
Completely fried.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
We trying to Completely fried, oh my.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
God and you ain't saying no to that woman.
I'm sorry, bro.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
I cannot.
I mean, you're right but stilllike, nah, damn like don't, I'm
trying to make a point.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
I'm trying to make a point, I get it, I get it.
But in this particular case,though, at least Rhea was in the
right this time, because,number one, it was Raquel who
came out there and was all likehey, like you know, cause they
all started first like theyscrewed.
They screwed Rhea, then Rheascrewed them, and then she

(51:51):
called Rhea out excuse me, shecalled Rhea out and then they
throw hands, and then Roxannegets in there and gets her put
through a table.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
A slip jam table Roxanne but um, but yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
And also when it came to Roth, the other thing that I
did want to also put in thereGunther comes out and he gives
his promo, his retort towardsGoldberg, goldberg, and I really
hope that he's not giving usfalse promises again, because he
came out there and you knowhe's got his chest out and you

(52:31):
know I'm gonna, he's gonna, I'mgonna do this, I'm gonna do that
.
You know you better hug yourfamily and kiss your wife and
all this.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
Then the other Are we now classifying this as a Jey
Uso promo?
Did he hit you with a Jey Usopromo to you?
Are we now classifying this asa JO Usul promo?
Is he?
Did he hit you?

Speaker 2 (52:50):
with a JO Usul promo to you.
Jeez, I don't want to call itthat.
That's kind of weird.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
We're going to start calling him that, cause that are
you.
Did he pull a J?
Did he give you false promises?

Speaker 2 (53:00):
Well, we're going to find out, cause I mean, he came
out there like nah, I am on,we're on Gunther time right now,
fam, i'ma stomp you out andI'ma choke you out and I'ma send
you back home, regardless ofhow old you are.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
He's Gunther, though, like he's not playing about
that shit.
Okay, I hope he's not.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Because, you know, Gunther said this before shit.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
Okay, I hope he's not , because you know Hunter said
this before.
Hey yo, after what he did toJimmy, I don't believe anything
that motherfucker says bro.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
But that's the thing, though.
He did what he did to Jimmy,right, and then, after he did
that, he talked that big ish toPat McAfee, and then he leaves
Pat McAfee with a.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
But he is sports analyst.
He ain't really a wrestler, mynigga.
Like let's be real, bro.
Like you got to give Pat McAfeesome credit, though.
Like I get it what you'resaying.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
I don't care about how good Pat McAfee did in that
match.
All right, sure, he held hisown, but Gunther made it sound
like he's going to put him sixfeet under and instead he took
him out for ice cream okay I getit, I get it it's just like I
just hate it when someone talksthe big game and then does not

(54:21):
follow it up if that's theselling, go out there but but
see in the past.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
I know, I know, I know I, I know, I know, I know
Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
Sorry, sorry, sorry.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Oh no, I was just saying in the past people would
say I'm gonna do this to you andI'm gonna do that to you, and
then they do it, or they getjumped and they get beat, and
that's why they can't do it.
There's no excuse why Guntherhas not been able to do the
things that he says that he saidhe was going to do because he's
been winning.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
That's going back to the beautiful era that is the
attitude era, because when StoneCold said, I'm going to stomp a
mud hole in your ass, I'm goingto walk it dry or I'm going to
run you over with my fuckingtruck or whatever, that nigga
did that shit.
That nigga stood by everyfucking thing.
He said okay he meant, meantwhat he said yeah, nigga you,

(55:13):
you was getting that shit.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
He was going to attempt to follow through with
it as much as possible yes Imean, but now we out here, we
just saying like, oh, it'd beone thing if they was like the
shit eating hill, where you knowthey're like oh, I'm gonna I'm
gonna beat you till the sun goesdown and back and blah, blah,
blah.
But then, like when the matchhappens, you know they, they run

(55:37):
and cower, but even they havesome people on the back and
who's going to come in, likewhat seth rollins has with his
goons, and at least they'regoing to attempt to beat the
shit out of you.
You know what I'm saying likeit'd be better if he attempted
as opposed to.
It'd be better if he said itand attempted, as opposed to
saying it and then completelyfalling short and that's, I get

(56:00):
it.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
I get it.
It's one of them situationswhere you, you want homie to
stand on business.
But it's also Goldberg thenigga, 59 almost now.
Like let it be real, he can'treally destroy that nigga the
way you want him to.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
I wish he would.
As far as I'm concerned,motherfucker he better, or
Goldberg's walking out of therewith the belt.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
Goddamn oh boy, night of Champions.
Yes, tongaloa.
Sorry, I went ahead.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
You bring up what you want, I like that Night of
Champions.
Tongaloa, you, alright, youalright.
Listen my roommate wasexplaining to me almost verbatim
what happened in thepay-per-view and I was like, but

(57:00):
why would they do that?
It doesn't make it.
And then it happened and I waslike, oh okay, maybe I guess it
does, because literally we wastalking about.
It's funny because, like Ididn't know, maybe he knew a
little bit better then again, healso, he, he literally knows
these people, so it's like he'swrestling with them while they
were on the indies.
But it's like I'm over here,I'm just like I didn't see it.

(57:25):
I'm like why would they justnow, why do I?
Would they want to bring him upnow out of nowhere?
Type deal.
And he explained it to me and Iwas like, I don't know, that's
a bit of a stretch, becausethere's been like no reason, no
lead up, and then boom, ithappens.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
And I'm like alright, I guess I'll sit back.
So what I hate is why can theynot just keep it at?
Hikaleo, bro, like everybodyhas to have a Tonga, like all
right, I get it, family shit.
But I remember I called youafter it happened because me and
Matt, we were literally me andMatt, we were literally sitting

(58:02):
here.
We just brought up Hikaleo.
I swear to God, we literallyjust brought up Hikaleo.
I swear to God, we literallyjust brought up Hikaleo because
we were watching the match and Iremember saying something about
like Jacob looks so much likeHaku, that fucking.
I was like sometimes I havemoments of like that's not Haku,
that's Jacob, like he'sliterally that nigga.

(58:24):
And then how, the fact that Ithought this was going to be
easy dub for Jacob.
Then also you got these peoplecoming in.
You got JC, who's also Filipino, by the way.
You got JC, and then you havewhich?
Tonga came back.
It was the bigger one.

(58:48):
Can't remember his name rightnow, but he shows up.
And then you have Hikaleo, who'swhich Russell Talk made a joke
about.
It is because he's tall as hell.
Tonga or Tonga, no, tonga isthe other one.
It's Tala, tala, tonga, I thinkit's what they call him,

(59:10):
because he's tall as hell.
It's a tall.
That's what they were saying.
Right, it was like he's tall ashell, um, so it's taller,
taller, tanga.
Um, because he's tall as shit.
So because he's like seven,like seven one maybe, I don't
know, he's tall as hell.
And I called you and I said yo,you, this is proven, that jacob

(59:33):
is brawley level.
Threat to the family.
Because in some to thewrestling community, we are
aware that samoans are some ofthe toughest motherfuckers in
the wrestling business.
You do not headbutt a Samoan,only Samoans do.
Samoan drops.
So we are aware that Samoansare a different breed in

(59:56):
wrestling.
So you're telling me it tookfour Samoans to take down one
Samoan.
That is fucking brawly level ofpower.
Okay, brawly level of power,okay, brawly level.
And one of them was 7 feetniggas.
So it's brawly level categoryof takedown.

(01:00:19):
That should tell you Jacob, isthat motherfucking guy?

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
alright, you don't play with Jacob, doc yeah, no,
he's, uh, he really is gettingwhere he fit.
You know what I mean also fourletters.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
One word uh, stop.
I'm sorry I never get over that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
I actually did find it interesting that he
absolutely was not there, just alittle bit, yeah, honestly he
didn't have a reason to be there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
Unless he was interfering in that match.
But continue on.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
I interrupted again, which he definitely wasn't.
Nah, I mean, there's really nota whole lot to really like talk
with my champions, like I mean,storm cody, cody rose is the
king.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
Uh, storm beat oscar like oh my god, jay cargill is
so goddamn.
We could already agree.
She's so goddamn fine, but it'scrazy how she's still so
goddamn fine after wrestling themakeup still holding up.
She's so goddamn fine, but it'scrazy how she's still so
goddamn fine after wrestling themakeup still holding up.
She's still just like what inthe how is you this goddamn fine
?
I mean can we agree that weprobably.

(01:01:44):
I don't know if you marked outto the storm entrance, but it
was just like marvel.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
You see this right, marvel, you see this right, just
go ahead, make it happen I meanI did like this, I did like it,
I did like her whole storm getup.
The storm get up was cool, butlike, like, so I was, I was in a
.
I was in an unfortunate spacebecause it's like before I knew

(01:02:13):
who I was going to be here.
I already knew Jade was winningthis.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Oh yeah, we knew that I unfortunately for Asuka.
Asuka literally does her hermove, which is the butt bomb,
and that's literally a setup fora fan.
And she was like all right,cool, whatever.
And that's literally a setupfor her.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
and she was like, alright, cool, whatever but it
was like watching Asuka have todo the job to Jade.
It hurt a little bit yeah,cause she just came back, cause
I'm over here watching this andit's like, because she's been
gone for so long, I forgot howmuch I like Asuka.

(01:02:48):
And then like, as I'm watchingher, I'm just like damn, why do
they have to do this to me likethis.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
But it is what it?
Is.
Asuka is truly wifey.
I don't care, as fine aseverybody is, asuka is wifey.
You can say queen, whateverthat is wifey.
Hands say queen, whatever youcan say whatever that is wifey
nobody's right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
No one's ready for Asuka and no one should be, but
apparently Jade was.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
I'm gonna probably make you do just a fuck with you
.
I'm gonna have to do a marrykill thing with the.
Do a marry kill thing with theroster, just to see where you at
.
I want to know now.
I want to see where you at.
I'm going to do it in thefuture, though.

(01:03:40):
I'm going to do it in thefuture, though.
It's a terrible game, but Iwant to see how it'd be good
content just to just to fuckwith each other.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
Who who's real wins the street fight.
I actually did not realize fromthe story that they told, like
how deep her and like those twowere with each other.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
I didn't know that either.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
Yeah, that was a very interesting thing to see, like
how close they was and how howdeep the friendship was, and now
they're about to rip each otherapart because of.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
He should have been a Wrestlemania match with that.
I really feel like it couldhave been a Mania match if you
had that much history.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
The only reason.
I mean as much as it would be.
Raquel Rodriguez has not doneanything.
Wrestlemania worthy per seshe's getting closer and I will
agree for them to like go allout and, you know, give this
back story about like how deeptheir friendship runs.
I'm like y'all could have savedthat for something bigger than

(01:04:44):
Saudi Arabia, which sounds crazyfor me to say, but let's be
honest, you should have savedthat for the states yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, a lot of things.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
We're getting arab money out here but, um, I really
feel there was a lot of things.
Even the fucking uh showing ofpaula should have been saved in
the states, because people wouldhave known who the fuck that
was.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
I agree, the Sami Zayn and Karrion Kross match was
a match.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
You should be an ambassador.
You should have let him speak,but go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
It was a match, nothing too crazy here with that
.
The John Cena match now andI'll be honest, I don't want to
spend a whole lot of timetalking about and, I'll be
honest, I don't want to spend awhole lot of time talking about
it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
I'll have to roast my nigga Penta, though, but go
ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
Gotta roast my nigga Penta.
The match itself was.
The match itself was good.
The finish was crazy.
Like the finish felt like theywere trying to successfully like
do a whole bunch of crazythings at one time.
I wouldn't say it felt flat,but like it was crazy and I like

(01:06:03):
I don't.
It's like I hated the fact thatthey're starting to do this
thing now, where it's like andboy, michael Cole, he was really
playing it up too when they didthe whole.
Oh wait, john Cena, he's notgood at hitting him in the head
with the belt.
Is John Cena having a change ofheart?
Have the fans started tofinally get to him?

(01:06:26):
Is he seeing the error of hisways.
Yeah, nah, I'm just like, oh,come on, so is this how we're
doing?
Alright, listen, low-key.
I'm kind of over this wholeJohn Smith thing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
Nah nigga you ain't about to do that.
Nah nigga you ain't about to dothat no, nigga ain't about to
do that, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
It has been enough.
It has this.
John cena heel turn has been aflop.
It has.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
It has a whole, it's flop but the thing about it is,
I'm gonna still enjoy this tour,because if you're telling me
this is the last time I'm seeinghim, I'm just gonna let it cook
.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
Listen, I think at this point I feel I think this
whole thing would have beenbetter if he was a babyface at
this point.
Like sure, there's been somefun moments Okay, it's been,
there's been some small intrigue, but it's like, at the end of

(01:07:31):
the day, john Cena's not beingbooed, he's getting cheered, no
one cares that he's trying to bethis.
Oh you guys, it's like a badrelationship.
Blah, blah, blah.
Woe is me.
I'm gonna do what I want now.
Screw the fans.
I don't care about you guysanymore.
Like all of that stuff.

(01:07:52):
Like it's crazy to say it feelsfake.
It's not.
It's.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
It's so forced, it's so processed, it's just I think
the way it's interesting to menow.
It's like because now theconversation is who is going to
dethrone cena?
Who is going to take the beltfrom him?
And I don't feel like it'sgoing to be cody at summer slam.

(01:08:21):
It's not because he still haswhat's oh, our truth.
Is our truth going to becomeour champion?
A no, because nigga, no.
What's who, who, who, who?

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
R-Truth Is R-Truth gonna become our champion.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
A no, because nigga no, Like I love R-Killix but
nigga no.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
Because now we're completely ignoring the fact
that he wants John Cena and he'sin a program in a whole
situation with Aleister Black,apparently, and he's in a
program in a whole situationwith Aleister Black.
Apparently that was a one-off.
A one-off.
Did you not watch SmackDownwhen Aleister Black came out
there and kicked his fuckinghead in?

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
But did you not see Damian Priest now inject himself
in?
So it's definitely going to bea program between Damian Priest
and him which is two goth niggas, One's bisexual, one's a taker.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
Sure, they're probably going to have a match,
but R-Truth is also going to gethis lick back for getting
kicked in the fucking head.
He's driving now, ron, killinghis drivers.
So you really think the man whowas saying put respect on my
name is going to let another mancome into the ring and kick him
in the head and not follow up?

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
with a receipt.
I think it would be short-lived, because here's the thing Maybe
this is just because wedefinitely need to get into the
next part.
I feel like if they do that,that's literally just making him
a joke character again, becausethe whole kick in the face
thing literally made him a jokecharacter again, because it was

(01:09:48):
in the face thing literally madehim a joke character again
because it was just like yo,john Cena, come out here and he
turns around and gets kicked inthe face.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
now you're making him a joke, you're not taking him
seriously now what if I told youdon't do it nigga listen, he's
about, as a joke character asGoldberg winning the heavyweight
title at the next show.
That's about goldberg so, soyeah, but I mean I will say I

(01:10:23):
did enjoy all of the, the screwy, screwy,
flippityity-dippity-dooeverybody coming out.
You know it's the Avengersendgame all over again and stuff
like that.
And John Cena, he's still gonnabe, he's still a heel and he's
still the champion, and CM Punklost.
And now we're getting back intoCM Punk and CM Punk and goddamn

(01:10:49):
uh CM Punk and uh uh goddamn.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
Seth Rollins oh yeah, that program.
Yeah, Triple H loves thatprogram apparently.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
I mean it's.
I mean it's good, I like it, Iprefer it.
You know what I'm saying?
Like I, I'm over here at this,like I just need Cody to go
ahead and go to Survivor orSummerSlam and just take this
goddamn belt.
Let's move on.
Let's move on.
It's not gonna happen the heelturn is garbage, not gonna

(01:11:21):
happen so you really think thatJohn Cena is gonna leave out of
here with the belt?

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
I, kinda low-key, want it to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
But what does your heart tell you, what does your
wrestling mind tell you?
My wrestling mind tells me whatis your inner Booker?

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
telling you, right now, my inner booker is telling
me let Cena do it, cause, like apart of me knowing WWE may just
make a new belt.
I know, I know, I know, butit's just like alright.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
So what's your video games?
Cause, obviously you drinkingsome crazy ass Kool-Aid right
now.
You know you should be gladthat the way you got this set up
.
I can't see you cause lordknows you're probably doing some
crazy filthy ass shit.
Let's get into these games, bro.
Let's get into the games,because let's get into it.

(01:12:40):
You out here, you sound likesomebody who says CEO, oh, you
must the ceo dance with the wayyou talking nigga, I just told
you, I don't do that shit.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
I don't like that shit.
Get the fuck out of here, um,but it's just me being a cena
fan.
Come on, bro you.
You know that.
Uh, I still gotta roast mynigga.
Penta, penta, uh, real quick.
Why the fuck was you struttingdown the fucking ramp?
What was you doing, bro?
Get to the business.
Anyway, wait a time, bro, youjust gotta get shit in.
We're saying this more and moreand more and more nowadays and

(01:13:19):
I hate it.
So, since we're gonna top itoff the show with the games, not
as much of Since we're going totop it off the show with the
games, not as much of a pause asJey Uso saying go through,
coming behind me in the whole NYstate.
You saw that shit, I sent youright.

(01:13:39):
Yeah, everybody said pause onthat nigga.
You can't not say pause to that.
Come on my nigga.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
Come on, listen, listen.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
sometimes you just walk into it on accident ayo,
pause, so alright, so we'regonna go 10 and I wanna actually
, I'm gonna even actually do athing is what you think my 10 is
, and I'm going to see what your10 is.

(01:14:10):
Just spitballing, because Ifeel like it's just funny.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
I couldn't even begin to say what your 10 might be.
Your 10 probably might be oneof the SmackDown versus Raw's
Nope.

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
It's not, that's what I'm saying.
That's where the beauty comesin, bro, saying that's where the
beauty comes in, bro, that'swhere the beauty comes in.
So, uh, you're 10, I'm gonnajust spitball and this is.
I'm not gonna go in too farinto it, just guess I want to
say you're 10.
Is Wrestlemania 2000?

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
nope, didn't even make a list.
Damn for real that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
Okay, go ahead, spitball what you think my 10 is
.
Wcw versus NWO.
Never played that game, so noteven on the list you never
played that game so not evencrazy, you never played that I
never.
I never really played it,played it like I.

(01:15:13):
I obviously played it, but Inever played it to the magnitude
of no mercy type shit.
You feel me so?

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
so that game, because of the fact that it was
literally just the wcw versionof what, like, yeah, literally
this stuff was.
What I enjoyed doing was Iwould.
I would go, because I never hadit.
The only time I would play iswhen I would go to other
people's houses and they'd haveyeah, yeah, no mercy yeah, and
so I always found it fun goingthere and like beating their ass

(01:15:46):
in that game and they'd be alllike how are you so good this
game?

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
you said you don't even have it and it's like cause
there's no mercy.
Oh man, so your top 10?
What's your number 10?

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
well, my number 10 is Smackdown vs Raw 2007.
Wow, that's crazy cause.
That is a higher number for me,alright uh, only because number
one there's, because there was,just there were better ones
okay, um, so that's your number10.

Speaker 1 (01:16:25):
Do you?
Do you have anything that?
Because I'm gonna have to talkabout my eyes.
My eyes were talking about.
Well, when I talk about 07, Imight as well talk about 07.
Now, one of the biggest thingsthat I loved about 07 is I
missed.

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
When you bring up somebody to a hazard, like the
steel steps and you and you canjust slam them yeah, you have
that just time, that shit causelike you can bring them real
high and boom or you can justsit there.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
Yes, and that's how you play.
Any like you specifically Iknow you like mind gaming
somebody because you used to do.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
When we play here comes the pain, yeah, yeah so
that's the only way you're goingto get them.
W's you gotta like, you have tobreak the status quo of
wrestling, and when you're, whenyou're uh playing arcade style
like, like I mean that game was,it was good.

(01:17:31):
Um, it's just the fact thatthere were, like literally just
because there were othersmackDown versus Raw's that were
better, and it became very hardfor me to figure out what.
Because, like, there was a lot,because I had damn near all of
the Smackdown versus ross whenthey just became like the 2k uh,
2k 11, 2k 13, it's like I kindof those kind of sort of like uh

(01:18:04):
, they kind of get clumpedtogether, those particular ones,
because, like it's just, it'sbecause for a while it was like
same game, new characters, Ilike the menu for seven, though
it had the shorties dancing onthe menu.

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
That was the top tier shit and you had to spend your
Smackdown money.
You can make them even, I think, in the lingerie too, like as a
kid.

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
You can buy the newer things.
You can buy the female loadscreens and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
Yeah, I was saying as a a kid, you shouldn't be
getting that shit had like coollocker room shit and stuff like
that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
This one definitely made the list because, like, I
played that game a lot, a lotmotherfucker like I, to the
point where I was like I wasgood at that game.
It had GM mode but it didn'thave, but it wasn't as good of a

(01:19:08):
GM mode but it did have some.
But this was when it was likethis one.
This game was almost peak,creative wrestling almost.
Um, that's, that's my number 10so number 10, you're not.

Speaker 1 (01:19:30):
I don't know if you actually remember this one, um,
ultimate muscle, I do, but I hadnever played it, though you
watch me played it.
I think it was Ultimate Muscle.
I do.
I had never played it, thoughyou watched me play it.
I think it was Ultimate MuscleLegends and New Generation, and
I remember I had this when Iused to live in I think it was

(01:19:52):
Oviedo.
Yeah, it was Oviedo, yeah, itwas Oviedo, because I remember
that time I had here comes thepain and the game broke and I
had to walk four hours to a gamestop just to get it and it was
so bad that I was walking to theuh, the game stop and then I

(01:20:16):
was walking home.
Finally a couple saw me.
It was like, bro, we saw youlike from back fort, do you need
a ride home?
And I was like, yeah, and Ishouldn't have gotten the car
with strangers, but I did, butit was.
It was a couple, so they droveme back to the house.
It was a different time.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
Yeah, it was a different time you can actually
trust people to give you a ride,yeah, so I had both had both
those games.

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
Here Comes the Pain and Ultimate Muscle.
And Ultimate Muscle was so funto me as a kid.

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
I remember it being cool, freaking that goddamn hook
Mexican stretch buster, mexicanstretch buster.

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
Yes, that was a good part of my childhood.
I never got to really get goodat that game.
It was really, really tough forme, but I could always put it
down as one of my favorites.
It was top 10, so I had to putthat in there.
So top 10, that was ultimatemuscle for me.
Um, what is number?

(01:21:13):
Nine Rumble Roses oh my god,what am I doing?

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
oh, here we go.
No, here we go.
I knew it was gonna happen.
I knew it was gonna happen toyou first too.
I don't know why, but I knew itwas coming yo Rumble Roses.
What happened to you first too?

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
I don't know why, but I knew it was coming Yo, no,
you gotta be kidding me.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
Now your list isn't even valid, no more, oh shit.

Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
No, oh man.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
Freaking what Listen from how you can hear him sound
right now and whatnot.
And how I can hear him soundright now and whatnot, and how I
can only imagine listen RumbleRoses was such a game all female
wrestlers some of these, somefantastically unique Dr Cutter,
anastasia Dixie, like.

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
Dixie Clements.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
Yeah like Rika, like god damn, and and then the dope
interests but yeah, theinterests, the, the wonderful
theme songs that they had, likethat game was solid for me.
I'm so grateful it's all myfault.

(01:22:36):
That's a goddamn Anastasia.
I see you.
I say this literally.
I say this to this day,especially since I work at a
hospital.
Every time I walk past, I'mlike I see you and I see you.

Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
Oh, come on oh my god , yeah, I fumbled, I fumbled
fumbled the bag.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
You got to do your list over.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
Fumbled the bag, I fumbled.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
Fumbled the bag.
Fumbled the bag.
It was like, and the thing wasthe way that the wrestling with
Kaz worked, it was like itplayed like SmackDown versus Raw
.
It really did, and here comesthe pain it really did.

Speaker 1 (01:23:20):
Like versus raw and it really did pain, it really
like it was, it was solid it was, and then the humiliation
matches too.
Uh, yeah, yes, yeah, yes, itwas great game, fuck I.
I definitely fumbled um.
Mine was wrestlemania 19 godit's okay, because I used to
love.
I used to love that segmentwhere you was like wrestling in

(01:23:42):
the mall, you're wrestling inthe harvard, all that shit, like
I love that game mode becauseit wasn't like your normal
wrestling that mode and enjoyingthe gamecube version of how

(01:24:02):
literally.

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
yeah, I remember that you, because I I never had
wrestlemania 19, I would, Iwould, but I played it at your
spot and that was the first gamewhere, like, if you cheated the
system, you can make femalesbleed.
Yes, you can bust women open.
There was like some weird thingthat you could do and you can
bust women open.

Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
Like that game was like the kind of sort of like
had a better, like the way youcan create entrances on that
game were crazy oh that actuallywas where I think it kind of
started for now games nowadaysbecause, yes, the entrance
capability which I've also had amoment of thinking about if I

(01:24:47):
ever made a wrestling game orsomething like that but yes, the
entrance capability was toptier, the createability was top
tier.
I just always missed wheneveryou got a special and you just
burst out in the special, youhad a time limit of you could
just hit any fucking special asmany times as you wanted to.

(01:25:08):
I love that format of specialsbecause, oh, I'm going to hit
you with the face fronting one.
I'm going to hit you with thepeople's elbow.
Now I'm going to hit you withthe fucking top row one one.
I'm going to hit you with thepeople's elbow.
Now I'm going to hit you withthe fucking top row one.
I can hit you with whatever thefuck I wanted to when that
special happened, because youhad the moment to do it.
And that's where no Mercy wassuch a good fucking game

(01:25:31):
because— yeah, it had that bittoo.
Yeah, because it's just—thatshould be be how wrestling is.
If you have a stored one, okay,maybe one store one, but like
in a moment where a clotheslineout of uh, clothesline from hell
out of nowhere.
Uh, could be good as a storedspecial, but just like I'm, I'm

(01:25:52):
hyped.
Now everything should be comingout.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
That's why that was one of the reasons why I liked
uh and another thing, anotherthing that I like about the
wrestlemania games, because Iknow 19 also could do it was the
fact that, like you, can doyour moves into other people oh,
yes, you can hit other people.

Speaker 1 (01:26:09):
So if I hit you with uh, you can interrupt a move you
can save, I hated that shit.

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
Save someone, you can save someone from getting a
special.

Speaker 1 (01:26:16):
I hated that shit, bro.
Oh my god for arcade play.
It was annoying as shit.
You playing against like threeof your homies and you're like,
oh man, you gonna hit thepedigree on me.

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
Nah, nigga spear or even worse, you hit your special
.

Speaker 1 (01:26:33):
If the other person's too close, they get hit by the
special too or if you're tryingto hit a jack hammer and I see
you doing, I could just hit one,just punch and just stop it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
That's like oh you dick yeah, oh, or if I was
playing with someone like crocand I just do a close line from
hell I hit everybody in the ring.
Yes, yes, however, that alsoused to backfire on me because I
expect like in a table I've Ihave lost table matches because
I did a clothesline from hell orI did a spear and I went

(01:27:07):
through the table myself becauseI just dismissed and so that
was WrestleMania.

Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
was that 18?
That was 18 one where you thereally weird, the really weird,
the really weird one.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
So WrestleMania 18 is actually my next one.

Speaker 1 (01:27:25):
No way, that's your 9?
.

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
No, no, no, my 9 was Rumble Roses.

Speaker 1 (01:27:31):
Oh yeah, sorry, 8.
8, number 8.

Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
9 was Rumble Roses.
Wrestlemania 18 is my, is mynumber 8, which, because we
already talked about it, mynumber 7 is Wrestlemania 19, ah
ok, I fucks with you.

Speaker 1 (01:27:49):
I didn't know it was that high of a category for you.
I didn't know it was that highof a category for you.
That's really great.
I didn't know introducing thatgame was that good for you.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
I liked that game and I wanted it.
I just couldn't get my hands onit.
I would have easily jumped towrestlemania 19 after getting
wrestlemania 18, but I justmoney wasn't working the way
that we wanted it to back asyeah, as a kid, yeah, and so it
was like I just played theabsolute hell out of

(01:28:21):
WrestleMania 18.

Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
Yeah, but you played the fuck out of that shit.
I ain't gonna lie, bro, thatwas your year.
Oh yeah, that was another oneof those games where, like here
Comes the Pain was one, 18 wasone.
That was just like, oh, we'reall gonna play a wrestling game
together as a group and we'reall doing not tag matches, we're
doing free-for-alls.
It was like, fuck, I got to goagainst Jay.
God damn it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:44):
Listen, me and my boy , Kyle, used to play that game
like crazy.
Every Friday, almost everyFriday.
We'd get out of school, go tohis grandma's house where they
have just the nicest, cleanestgame room, and we would just
WrestleMania 18 and AnimalCrossing and yeah, that was.

(01:29:04):
That was the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
So since you technically gave two, you said
seven and eight.

Speaker 2 (01:29:11):
So yeah, 18 was my, was my eight Number, seven was
19.

Speaker 1 (01:29:17):
2000.
Wrestlemania 2000 was my eight.
Number seven was 19.
Uh 2000.
Wrestlemania 2000 was my numbereight mainly because I used to
love the theme songs.
The theme, the way the titantronand theme songs were like I'd
still to this day I have aplaylist on youtube just of the
wrestlemania theme songs becauseI just loved how yeah, I just
loved how they play back in theday.
I would.

(01:29:38):
There were times I would justsit there and sometimes just
watch the Titan Tron, especiallythe rocks, like the the rock
Titan Tron and just how therepetitiveness of it.
I like repetitive things.
I found out that I don't knowwhat it's called, but I have a
habit of if I like something somuch I will listen to it all day
and it's the song of the day,like, uh, a perfect example.

(01:30:02):
I remember when joe g came outwith glimpse of us, that song,
that song when it first came out, two days straight it was the
only thing I listened to.
I swear to god it was on arepeat and I do the same thing,
same thing happened with meyesterday with swerve
strickland's theme song.

(01:30:22):
Everything I did was top rope,catch him, vibe, catch him.
Like that was me all dayyesterday nigga, everywhere I
went, everything I did.
I even did it on snapchat,where it was a moment.
I pulled up to a boba shop.
I had to do the the fuckingthing where he puts his, his
hand on his head, his forehead,and I just just, it was just hit

(01:30:43):
.
Everything was just hitting,swirled, and that's what the
wrestlemania themes were for methe titan trance.
For me, the game itself wasokay, fucking, playing his
career mode, sucked dick becauseeverybody was hard as fuck they
really were so tough, sodifficult to go against, and

(01:31:04):
playing certain matches it'slike, oh, I'm going against test
.
Even going in somebody like testvisceral was like yo fuck, why
is this hard?
So I love the nature of thatgame and it's music.
Number 7 was smackdown one okaysmackdown one.

(01:31:26):
Uh, mainly because of the menumusic, love the menu music, love
the career mode and still tothis day, the fucking cut scene
song forever will be one of thebest cut scene songs and it will
stay in my head the anytimeyou're walking like that.
One cannot.
That shit chokehold nigga.

(01:31:47):
That shit is a chokehold on mefor the rest of my life.
I will never let that song go.
I it was to the point where ifyou search anything SmackDown 1
related music, background music,that song in any playlist on
YouTube does not exist.
I have to literally findgameplay footage, find a loop,

(01:32:12):
make the loop and make it areality.
That's how much that song wasfor me.
I needed it that much.
I had to make it a reality.
That's how much that song wasfor me.
I needed it that much I had tomake it for myself and that's
how bad it was, so that thatclip I made for you, like I um,
whenever I was really popping ontiktok, I had started those

(01:32:32):
like cutscene moments, Iliterally had to create the loop
you had to create just to have.

Speaker 2 (01:32:37):
Yes just to have.
That's great.
I've kind of let go.
But it's also interesting that,like that it was, that it did
not that, which which just meansthe fact that you're the
problem, you're like the onlyone, unless you just randomly
post it on youtube and just seewhat people say.

(01:32:57):
You know what.
And then find out that there'slike a small subsect of people
who've been like.
I've been looking for this forso long.

Speaker 1 (01:33:08):
The thing about it is the song actually has more than
just that loop.
There are moments where if you,I guess, if there's a backstage
segment that allows it there'san extra part to it, and that's
the part I've yet to hear.
So it's a full song.
It's not just that loop,there's something else to it and

(01:33:28):
I've heard it and I'm like Iwant to hear the full fucking
song, just like the sa rio'stheme song back in the day.
Remember how sa SA Rios youcould find it on YouTube and it
was like da-dum, da-da-dum andit would cut there and it would
just be a trash loop every time.
So, but now the song doesn'thave the trash loop anymore.

(01:33:51):
You can go on Spotify, you hearthe whole fucking song now.
But a part of me stillremembers the loop and you're
like wait, the loop's not thereanymore.
Oh, this is different.
I hear I hear the whole songnow.
So I don't know if a part of meis like, if I ever hear the
full song, would I actually besatisfied?
But I'd be like oh, actuallythe loop is okay.

(01:34:12):
Yes yeah at that point I guessyou gotta find Smackdown we
don't know who knows where thatgame's at now.
Oh yeah, so number six.
Let me guess what your numbersix is.
Real quick, I'm hoping it'sprobably.

(01:34:34):
Is it WWF Attitude?

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
no it is not damn.
What is it?

Speaker 1 (01:34:40):
I'm hoping it's probably Is it WWF Attitude.
No, it is not.
Damn what is it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:48):
It's SmackDown vs Raw 2010.
That's a good one.
Smackdown vs Raw 2010 was To me, when it came to that lineup,
that was peak.
The only thing it was missingwas if it would have actually
had GM mode.
But at this point I think GMmode was gone.

(01:35:14):
But in 2010, that was when youdidn't have to go online and do
the cawcom, which I used to lovethat site oh man the this was
oh my god, that website was toptier bro.

Speaker 1 (01:35:26):
Top tier website here , golly bro, this was this was?

Speaker 2 (01:35:32):
this was that?
This was when you the firsttime you could actually download
created wrestlers was yeah, for2010.
2010 was like peak createdwrestler stuff.
Like that was when they gaveyou like I think it was.
I want to say, it was actuallymore than 50 like it was in like

(01:35:53):
2010, or maybe it might havebeen the next one because the
previous slots were only 25 forthe longest.
For a very long time and then itjumped to 30.
And then it went to 50 for alittle while, but it was like
but this was also when you couldcreate a logo, or if you wanted

(01:36:13):
, you could create a logo orcreate your own tattoos and all
this other stuff.
So people create a report,wasn't there?

Speaker 1 (01:36:22):
one where you could also create your own taunt.
There was one.
You could create a taunt.

Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
Yes, yeah, you could create a taunt, you can create
your finishing move, you can doa.
You can create an off-the-toprope finishing move.
People jump in freaking peoplejump in the, jump up and
exorcist in the middle of theair and some of the weird,
weirdest, jankiest shit I'veever seen, like I'm just looking

(01:36:47):
at the gameplay on it, I'm like, I'm trying to remember, like
wasn't it the first to doslow-mo too?

Speaker 1 (01:36:52):
no, yeah, it was the first to do slow-mo.
Yo, actually I remember thatbecause, remember you, it wasn't
the spin ones, but like youcould slow-mo and the the lights
.
The lights would dim and thenboom, you hit this.

Speaker 2 (01:37:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah , yeah, yeah, okay, okay, yeah,
smackdown versus raw 2010 was avery special time and that was
honestly when vtcw was created,like officially, because I think
, although I think in the gamespreceding it, that was when you
could then create your own arenastuff and that's when it really

(01:37:31):
got cooking.
I could not find which one wasthe one that I I want to say it
might have been Smackdown vs Raw2013, where, like, making a
federation was like hitting itspeak before it did its
unfortunate fall off intofoolishness.

(01:37:52):
But yeah, that's my one rightthough.

Speaker 1 (01:37:57):
Well, mine was attitude, but yeah, that's my
one right there.
Well, mine was attitude, wwfattitude.
A lot of this was more sonostalgic for me.
It was something about like itwasn't great gameplay, it wasn't
like the best gameplay ever,but it was something about back
in the day when we used to playthat game.
Did I ever tell you I actuallyhad an absolute fear for one of

(01:38:22):
the theme songs?
Like, like, as a child Iactually was terrified of the,
the, the, the, the, the, the,the, the, the, the, the, the,
the, the, the, the, the, myknees.
For some reason, that song backin my childhood terrified me.
Looking back at it, I'm likewhat was so terrifying about it?

(01:38:47):
And I don't know if it was likeyou know, good old christian
boy terrified type shit.
I don't know what it was, butit was something about.
It was like I couldn't hear it.
I couldn't hear that.
I just couldn't do it and Ilistened to it.
Now it's like, oh, shit on yourknees, yeah, what's up popping?
Let's get it going.

Speaker 2 (01:39:07):
I remember that game being kind of cool but, like at
that time I was really bad atdoing like the button mash
commands so it's like I couldn'tI never could do any moves Like
I never did.

Speaker 1 (01:39:19):
I mean, that's why I'm good at fighting games,
cause I did all that shit.

Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
No problem, all that shit was no problem.
Yeah it, it wasn't.
It didn't work for me too great.
I just would.

Speaker 1 (01:39:32):
I would just fill up my brother's creative slots with
with, uh, the cane universe Iwill also say another reason why
I enjoyed it is because of theentrances having talking
capabilities like dilo browns,you're the one who sucks punk,
not me, and it does the dumb assneck walk and shit like that
was good.

(01:39:52):
Jerry king's fucking entrancewas good because he would just
roast the entire fuckingaudience.
Love that we had Head as aplayable character.
What the fuck it was.
Just that game was wacky.
It was so interesting and verywacky.

(01:40:13):
Somehow they still made thefucking Gangrel entrance dope.
It was just.
It was very nostalgic for me.
The childhood in me loved thatgame.
Um, even though it wasn't thatgreat of a game, it was still
like man the remember.
The blood mechanics on thatgame was stupid too.
Like.
Well, it was stupid as in.
Like it was realistic too.

(01:40:34):
Like if I hit you in the armwith a barbed wire bat, blood
was on.

Speaker 2 (01:40:36):
Yeah, you were like like you in the arm with a
barbed wire bat blood was onyour arm too.
You could actually bleed inrandom spots on your body, your
arm.

Speaker 1 (01:40:44):
Ankle leg.

Speaker 2 (01:40:46):
Bloody your leg.
It was really fun, someinteresting things, really
really fun.
I remember as a kid I couldnever get a grasp on that game,
that attitude and Warzone Like Inever was able to get a good.
I could never get a good graspon the game to like Like I could

(01:41:07):
play it enough where I can, youknow, get a little far in like
the actual, like the story modeand stuff like that.
But there was a point like yeah, I never won a belt.
You know what I'm saying, so Iwould just sit there.
However, outside of the rainbowcolors of canes that I used to

(01:41:30):
make, just because that outfitwas there, I actually did create
my first ever character whosename was there.
I actually I did create myfirst ever character whose name
was Killer.
That was my first createdcharacter.

Speaker 1 (01:41:43):
History lore Getting good loot here from Swag
Switcher.
Okay, so what was your numberfive In fact?
Let me guess real quickly.
Actually, no, I'm not gonnaguess.
That's tough.

Speaker 2 (01:42:02):
that's tough, go ahead so my number five was
straight up Smackdown vs Raw theoriginal, okay, the original
there you go, the more thatyou're thinking that was the
thinking.

Speaker 1 (01:42:16):
Yeah, that wasn't, that was.
That was the, that intro tothat game.
Like I miss good intros towrestling games because those
would be like, man, you pop thegame in, you see the intro and
if that shit didn't make youfucking want to play it, throw
it in the garbage this one likethis game was.

Speaker 2 (01:42:38):
this game was great because like, which is funny,
because like for the reasons whypeople didn't like it are the
exact reasons why I loved itLike cause, like SmackDown
versus Raw.

Speaker 1 (01:42:49):
What was it?
What was about it?

Speaker 2 (01:42:52):
People did not like the fact that they kind of
slowed down the game, sloweddown the pace of the game, and
I'm like no that that made itbetter.
I like the slower pace becauseit felt more real kind of thing,
and so, like I love the, I lovethat it slowed down.
They slowed the pace down a bit.
Um, this was when you firstcould actually create your own

(01:43:15):
belts and everything like these.
Like there were certain qualityof life things I like.
And this was also like at thispoint we're getting, we're
getting more refined on creativewrestler, because during this
time of era of wrestling game, Iwas hooked on creating

(01:43:39):
wrestlers Same, same and it waslike going from here comes to
pain, where the creativewrestlers were really goofy and
stuff like that.
So now versus Raw if I'm notmistaken, I think it was like
the beginning introductions oflike you have your entrance gear

(01:44:00):
and you have oh yeah, yeah, Ithink that was.

Speaker 1 (01:44:04):
Yeah, you didn't always just wore the same shit,
yeah, so like that started, thatbecame a thing.

Speaker 2 (01:44:10):
So it's like now my wrestler, now my creative
wrestlers, are starting to getmore personality and stuff like
that, and and and.
Now at this point, because fora long time, for a long time I
just did not create myself onthe wrestling game.
I just I didn't want, I didn'tlike it yeah, at least I never
liked how it looked like I didnot create myself, like after no

(01:44:32):
mercy.
I did not create myself on awrestling game until, like, here
comes the pain, here comes thepain was like the first time I
really started like creatingmyself as a wrestler.
I think at the very tail end ofshut your mouth, I did but like

(01:44:56):
, but that was like.
I think at the very tail end ofshut your mouth, I did yeah,
yeah, yeah, but like, but thatwas like as we were
transitioning to, here comes thepain, here comes the pain with
what I finally was when Ifinally started actually
creating myself, type thing.
But I know what was I about tosay?

(01:45:16):
Oh no, actually, that's, that'sactually, that's that's later
on, never mind no, so yeah,that's my that's my my number
five.

Speaker 1 (01:45:25):
You, once I tell you you're gonna be like, yeah,
saturday night slam masters okay.
Yeah, that's a given for me,because that is literally the
game that I grew up on.
I remember that.
If you remember the arcade thatI grew up on, I remember that.
If you remember the arcade thatwas nearby my house where,
interestingly enough, antoniolives in that same area now, so

(01:45:51):
where Antonio lives rememberthat arcade that we used to go
to where they had the 50 centhot dogs.
Oh, that's a deep cut.
Yeah, that's a deep cut.
Yeah, that's a deep cut.
So that arcade was, I think,where that skating rink at and
there was a Hooters there.
I lived in that complex next toit.
So it's like whenever, when Iwent to Antonio's house and I
was like, oh shit, this is aflashback for me because this is

(01:46:14):
where that arcade was and Ilived in that complex in the
back, so that's where I firstgot introduced.
I barely remember that becauseit was very, very brief.
It was very brief, very briefum like ooh, like it's so fuzzy,
but I do, I can recall actuallythe reason why is because mom

(01:46:39):
lived there when I was stillliving in North Carolina, so I
never technically lived there.
I was visiting mom that summerand that summer you came over to
hang out.
We would go to the arcade, sowe weren't really in the house.

Speaker 2 (01:46:55):
Now, is that the place that had the?
Is that the spot that had thelong, long ass stairway to get
to the?

Speaker 1 (01:47:02):
Yeah, to her, to her apartment.

Speaker 2 (01:47:04):
Yeah, Like you would walk in and then you have to go
up like like a 20 flight stairsto get to the top floor.

Speaker 1 (01:47:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was that was it
.
Damn Wow, that was it.
That was it.
Damn wow.
That was really fuzzy in myhead for a second.
Yeah, that was it, because wehad to walk everywhere with that
, so I had to walk.
I would ask my mom to take meto the arcade.
She's like no, you can fuckingwalk there, being a fat ass at
the time, not one walk, stillfat ass anyway.
But um, so she, she, we wouldwalk there and she would give me

(01:47:33):
like I think she gave me like20, maybe like 30 bucks.
I would go play all the games.
I would get all the hot dogsand shit that I wanted, or
whatever fuck.
And uh, that was also where Igot introduced to tech and five.
Um, and my journey with techingbecame two.
But that arcade itself was theintroduction to saturday night
slam masters and I was like wait, street fighter and fucking

(01:47:55):
wrestling, where the fuck wasthis at?
So you knew me as a streetfighter kid.
That was just my shit.
So now you introduce this gameto me in the game.
It didn't have a lot to it.
It didn't have a huge story, itwas just the idea of taking two
of my favorite worlds togetherand just making it a game, and
that's where I started growinginto that desire of like why is

(01:48:18):
this not a thing now?
Why is Capcom not making this athing now?
Why have we not made anotherone of these?
And that's where the SaturdayNight Slam Masters show for me
came to fruition with the CAdubs, yep, ca dubs, yep, yep,
yep, yep.
So that was five for me, um,four for you so now we're

(01:48:44):
getting to the nitty grittystuff here uh number four um,
which was a hard choice tofigure, but number four ended up
being.

Speaker 2 (01:48:54):
Here comes the pain no fucking way.

Speaker 1 (01:49:03):
Holy shit, this is throwing me off.

Speaker 2 (01:49:04):
Now I'm ready to hear these number ones here and and
we've talked about here comesthe pain, and everything about
here comes to pain absolutely isfantastic and great, and but as
well as things where the one,the game that comes up as my
number three, there's a veryspecific, key reason why it

(01:49:28):
became number three over.
Here comes to pain okay butyeah, all right, we don't have
to.
I don't even have to, we, theworld knows why.

Speaker 1 (01:49:39):
Here Comes the Pain is one of the greatest wrestling
games we all know that we don'tgotta fucking talk about that
shit.

Speaker 2 (01:49:43):
We don't gotta talk about that shit.
I don't gotta, I don't gottabeat the dead horse, no, no that
is dead, but I'm, I'm gonna be.

Speaker 1 (01:49:50):
I'm gonna be curious if it's my number four.
I'm actually glad it's.

Speaker 2 (01:50:03):
I'm glad it's in your list because I question if it
should have been in my list itis I'm about to say niggas it's
in there.

Speaker 1 (01:50:15):
The thing about it is , I was very debating on if it
was number three, because mynumber three and for anybody who
doesn't know, def jam fight fornew york.
You're living in a fucking rock, get the fuck up, um, but def
jam fight for new york it wasreally pushing it for three or

(01:50:35):
two.
For me it's really pushing itbecause number three for me was
smackdown versus raw seven.
That was my number three andmainly because of the thing we
were just talking about whatmade it such a wrestling game.
But the only thing that made itbetter for me is because it was
still wwe.
So it was still that theechelon of the wrestling game

(01:51:01):
that we know.
But fight for new york was itwas hood, it was hood, it's fuck
and uh, 100.
I just wish it had more to itafterwards, like, yeah, you
played the story mode, it didnot have great replay value

(01:51:25):
that's what I'm saying like itwould have made it unfortunate.
It would have made number threeor almost two if it had great
replay value and which is fair.
But uh, that was my three andfour, so you can go ahead with
your three then so my three issmackdown versus raw 06 and the

(01:51:48):
reason why 06 GM mode wasperfect.

Speaker 2 (01:51:59):
06 GM mode was so perfect In 07, they tried to add
these extra elements to it that, to me, kind of made it lose
some of its feeling.
It made it feel like it was tooman, what the it?

(01:52:21):
It felt more railroaded, likeyou know, if you do this and
then you do this, this is whatyour result's going to be, as
where with the other one, itjust felt more unpredictable
kind of oh yeah, this was thereally hard gm mode.

Speaker 1 (01:52:35):
Yeah, this was the really hard one.

Speaker 2 (01:52:38):
Oh, yeah, it felt more, it was more challenging
and like it, and it felt like itgot more crazier, as were the
other one.
It got too structured and it'sone of those things like with 06
, as like the like, as far aslike graphics wise and the
gameplay wise, 06 and 07 arealmost interchangeable, outside

(01:52:59):
of the fact that, like you know,as the as the games went on, it
got better money cost for yo.

Speaker 1 (01:53:08):
Yeah, you know honestly, you, you swag.
You've always been that and I'msurprised as much as you gotten
into wrestling or stuff likethat.
Why have you never thoughtabout getting into booking?

Speaker 2 (01:53:23):
because I have to find a way into wrestling and,
as of right now, the only way Ican get into wrestling is
becoming a wrestler.
In my mind, I have not foundthe door.
I haven't found the bookingdoor.
I would love to be a booker.
That'd be great.
I feel like as much as you play.

Speaker 1 (01:53:40):
GM mode.
And as much as you talk aboutGM mode, I feel like if you hey,
I'm not going to say who yourconnection is, but you know what
your connection is I feel likeif you hung around that
connection enough to be aroundthat echelon of people and see
how can you get your foot in, Ifelt like dude you'd be, you'd
be really like detailed intothat, like that would be like

(01:54:02):
your lane and plus, as a bookeryou have so much longevity in
the industry because, say, yeah,you're 34 now I mean you could
be doing this shit in your 50s.
You know I'm saying so like,yeah, you really just gotta get
your foot in the door, dude, youreally, I just I have not.

Speaker 2 (01:54:18):
I gotta find the door .
That's where I'm at when itcomes to that, because I would.
I think it's because we don'tknow.

Speaker 1 (01:54:26):
I think we don't know who to start Because, like the
world of wrestling, you knowwhat it takes to do it, but,
like because there's no, likejob applications or blah, blah,
blah, like you do it withinright.
So you just don't know how tostart because, like even for us,
it's a who you know kind ofbusiness yeah, it really is,

(01:54:48):
really is.
So I feel like that's a deepdive for another day, but number
and number one.

Speaker 2 (01:54:55):
So Well, I'll tell you what my number two is.

Speaker 3 (01:55:09):
And my number two was Def Jam, specifically Fight for
New.

Speaker 2 (01:55:11):
York.
My number two was Fight for NewYork, because what?

(01:55:31):
wrestling could not give me defjam did, and that was the.
The attire like I literally ondef jam made me like I, like I
look like myself, I had thejewelry, like the visual of it
all was spot on as far as, likemy created character.

(01:55:53):
I would just replay the game andjust fight people over and over
and over again because I lovedseeing my freaking, blinged out
self in these wild ass movesthat you could do on that game.
Yeah, and once again, it alwaysgoes down to that.
I love the swag and I love thecool factor and if I can make

(01:56:17):
myself look as cool and as swagas I can, the game is a dub, and
def jam did that for me almostmore than any wrestling game
until we started getting intolike the later wrestling games,
but with that, though, just theoverall presentation, the music,
the, and then like the story inand itself in the game was also

(01:56:41):
fantastic and fun like it was.
It is one of those games thatit had no flaws and then they
made the new one and they put awhole bunch of flaws into it and
, like you, had the formularight Get this real quick.

Speaker 1 (01:57:02):
They lost the foundation.

Speaker 2 (01:57:09):
Yeah, solid.

Speaker 1 (01:57:13):
Just imagining to opening up your game, because it
always was this for me, becauseI made that playlist.

Speaker 2 (01:57:18):
It was always that me Cause.

Speaker 1 (01:57:19):
I made that playlist.
Yeah, you always open it.

Speaker 2 (01:57:23):
You just open the game Then.
I'd be another song, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:57:27):
Every time, but that was the opening track.
Sticky fingers, by the way, guys, for anybody who doesn't know
sticky fingers man up.
That was the song.
It's still to this day.
It we your fingers man up.
That was the song.
It's still to this day.
It we used to at one point justshout that shit out, just the
foundation, and randomly anymoment, um.
So number two for me actuallywas here comes the pain, here

(01:57:47):
comes the pain was number twofor me.
I feel like I don't know who in.
I feel like obviously it wasyou that introduced it to me.
But whereas, uh, no mercy, no,wrestlemania 2000 was introduced
to be my friend of mine namedkeith, back in the day here
comes, here comes the pain wasthe game.
That was like it was both of us, because we've had games where,

(01:58:11):
okay, you played, uh, I playedday of reckoning.
I know I played day ofreckoning.
You didn't played Day ofReckoning.
You didn't play Day ofReckoning that much.
You didn't play WrestleMania 19that much, because you didn't
really have it and you had 18.
I didn't have 18.
So there were certain gamesthat where one of us was
dominant in the other areabecause we both either had the

(01:58:32):
game ourselves here Comes thePain was the game that we both
had it at the same time at thesame place and we were both in
that playing field of playingthe fuck out of it.
So that's why it was number twofor me so many hours put into

(01:58:52):
that game like, if steam, ifsteam was a thing back in the
day and it could show how manyhours we put in it because you
know probably, probably.

(01:59:14):
Oh so uh, I already know whatour number one is, so we might
as well.
I was wondering how manyhandshakes we would get in this,
but it's already known whatwe're gonna say number one is,
and if your number one is notthis, I think we might have to
end the friendship right here.
Just cut this shit off.
Sorry podcast is done, guys.

(01:59:34):
Last episode we could both sayit's no mercy.
Rumble Roses XX.
I will kick you in your fuckingchest, nigga.
Don't play with me bro.
Don't play with me, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:59:47):
I swear to god legends of your number one's,
not legends of wrestling likewhat bitch ass motherfucker,
don't play with me, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:59:57):
All star, all stars wrestling like what bitch ass
all-star stars.
Actually good one, though notnumber one, was he, but you know
, no, no, no, it was good one,though it was actually one of my
if we did the whole likenominations, you know runner-ups
, or whatever, wrestlefest wasdefinitely on there.

(02:00:18):
And then WWF, we did the wholelike, uh, nominations, you know
runner-ups, or whatever.
Uh, wrestle fest was definitelyon there.
And then, uh, wwf, raw and allthe snes games.
But, hands down, no mercy.
I don't think.
I don't think there's anywrestling fan from coming up
from the 90s that would not putListen.

Speaker 2 (02:00:35):
No Mercy is so great that you could turn on no Mercy
right now and, from a creativestandpoint, you could make all
the wrestlers who are on noMercy look like what they look
like right now.
Right now, like the last time Iplayed, I know I had uh, I had

(02:01:03):
unmasked kane on there.
Which unmasking kane on thatgame was fun because he just had
this black face.
Yes, no on wrestleman 2000.

Speaker 1 (02:01:10):
He had the black face oh yeah, no, he had a blank
face where it was like he had,like this weird like yeah, this
weird meshed out face typesituation.

Speaker 2 (02:01:20):
But I know if I put my no Mercy in right now, I know
I have.
I got House of Pain Mark Henryon there because I gave him the
braids.
Let me see who else.
I think I got Tank Top Kane onthere but no mask, I changed a

(02:01:41):
couple of people and I alsothink in the coolest thing I've,
that I remember we discoveredthe beginning of the like when
you play the intro like you know, cause games don't have intros
anymore but when you do that,when you watch the intro, of no
mercy if you go into the gameand change what those people are

(02:02:01):
wearing in the intro, it wouldreflect, and so I remember we
completely edited.
Our no Mercy where it was justour creative wrestlers.

Speaker 1 (02:02:12):
Yes, oh, my God, yes, I remember that now.
Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, Itotally remember that now.
Okay, okay, okay, I totallyremember that shit now cause.

Speaker 2 (02:02:21):
We had Sonic and Tails and they were the Hardy
Boys.
Or Sonic and Knuckles was theHardy Boys, we had Tails.
He was Chris Jericho.

Speaker 1 (02:02:30):
Yeah, you we had TJ and TM we had TJ and TM on there
too.

Speaker 2 (02:02:40):
I know I took the rocks place, but like you, there
was a time where you was TripleH and I think later on but I
think later on you switched tobeing taking Stone.

Speaker 1 (02:02:54):
Cold.
No, no, no, I was definitelyStone Cold first in Triple H,
because that's when I startedmaking the pedigree my signature
for every game.
Okay, that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (02:03:05):
But yeah, because the intro was so fun, it was so
great, it's funny because Ithink now I want to find my no
Mercy to see what the introlooks like, because I know I
changed people.
I want to find my no mercy tosee, like, what the intro looks
like, because I know I likechanged people, so I want to I
want to put down that how nomercy is such.

Speaker 1 (02:03:25):
It is literally the best wrestling game of all time.
It is a game that is stillbeing modified to this day.
They modify it for every roster, on the main roster.
To this day there's still modsgoing on where people are Roman
Reigns now People are fuckingCody Rhodes.
They're even doing an oldFederation version.

(02:03:46):
There is a mod where it'sliterally old school WWF but no
mercy mechanics.
It is the only wrestling gamethat's still being done to this
day, and Matt will tell you whyit's such a good game.
Shit, aew, aew literally triedto make a game based on the

(02:04:09):
mechanics of that game andfailed because it's that good of
a fucking game.
Yeah man we don't talk aboutthat.
It's very difficult to come outwith game.
Actually, I found out thatAEW's game is actually in a
video of the worst wrestlinggames of all time.
I was like, damn nigga, is itthat bad?
I didn't even play it, but damn.

(02:04:30):
So we earned it's all I can sayon that.
You and your AEW hate money, Iswear to God.
Anyway, guys, what are your top10 wrestling games of all time?
We would love to hear it in thecomment section.
Thank you again for tuning into the Big Brothers of
Destruction podcast.

(02:04:50):
If you haven't yet, pleasewatch us or listen to us on all
streaming platforms.
We are on Spotify, uh, applemusic, youtube, wherever you're
getting your daily podcast.
Guys, we are here where thering is sacred, the questions
are difficult, but thedestruction is always guaranteed

(02:05:10):
.
Any final thoughts, swagswitcher, before we head out to
this uh, lovely, lovely eveningand and come up to the next
episode um, no, the only,actually.

Speaker 2 (02:05:22):
I do have one final thought, and that is I really
need AEW to make me want tospend money to watch this
fucking pay-per-view me and Mattare actually doing that.

Speaker 1 (02:05:32):
If you want to come over, we're going to split the
pay-per-view and we just go andwatch it on that Sunday oh, I
might actually take you up onthat, because I do want to see
it but at the same time, it'slike they have not made me want
it, so I need them.

Speaker 2 (02:05:49):
They need to do something this week that's going
to be like boom, because ifthis is what they consider, the
Wrestlemania lead up to theirwrestlemania of shows ass.

Speaker 1 (02:06:02):
So I fucked up and I'm actually doing a friend
thing on the day of thepay-per-view, which, matt was
like you're doing a friend'sgathering on that night and I
was like, oh shit, it is on allin, what a shame well, I guess.
Uh, it's not that important tome.
So we said Sunday, the next day, we were going to cook up

(02:06:24):
something and watch it then.

Speaker 2 (02:06:25):
So we just got to make sure we don't watch Twitter
.
Good luck.
Well, I mean, you don't have toworry about the wrestling, you
don't have to worry about thewrestling chat, because I don't
give a fuck about the AEW, buthey, it is what it is it is what
it is, but yeah if you want todo that sunday well, I, what
should we do?

Speaker 1 (02:06:44):
should we do a podcast?
We should do the episode livethere, because I'll have.
What I'll do is I'll even dothe setup that we've been
originally talking about.
We just sit on the couch andjust shoot the shit and watch
the uh, watch the pay-per-viewSure I mean we can give it a
shot.

Speaker 2 (02:07:00):
We can give it a shot , Although let me also make sure
I'm not overbooking.

Speaker 1 (02:07:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right, we'll get
back to it.
I'm very spontaneous, like thatI mean shit.
After this I'm going to becooking up a storm.
Final thoughts again.
Guys, thank you so much forwatching, if you haven't yet.
Choke, slam that like button.
And tombstone that subscribebutton, shit.
You can do both of them.
I'm trying to do the thingsthat everybody else do.

(02:07:27):
They be saying super kicks.
They be saying slam, fuck thatshit.
Choke, slam that shit.
One hand show slam, all right.

Speaker 2 (02:07:33):
Choke choke slam to subscribe and tombstone that
what was the?
Chokeslam the like andtombstone to subscribe.
I like it.

Speaker 1 (02:07:44):
I actually like that one, alright until next time,
guys, have a good one.
We will see you on the nextepisode.
Goodbye, goodbye.

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