Where Legends Walk

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Welcome to another episode of the Big Brothers of
Destruction podcast.
It's the Masako.
It's your boy.
Swag Switch in the building andboy, we in the building today
to talk about some wrestling.
But we're going to also goabout the stages that be in the
building today to talk aboutsome wrestling.
And uh, but we're going to alsogo about the stages that be in
the building, uh, when we're atwrestling events and we're going

(00:31):
to talk about some of the bestuh stages that we've seen
throughout the years of as beingwrestling fans.
But uh, before we kind of getinto our topic today, as usual,
swag always updates with thewild world of wrestling
information.
I try to do that withoutputting the wild world wrestling
, you know in there, but I mean,if it helps, you could just say

(00:55):
the www, you know.
I mean, but I gotta say it likethat, you know that I gotta, I
gotta do it, cause it just, itcomes with it.
You feel me?

Speaker 2 (01:05):
I'm just giving you an option you can stumble over
your words as you.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Look, Seth Rollins, I don't always have an option B,
okay.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
But you do.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
You're refusing to accept your option.
You're goddamn right, because Ido shit the way I do it anyway.
Uh, swag, hit us with that wwwsee how much easier that was.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Fuck off first, before I actually, before I get
into super meat and potatoes Ineed, now that it's happened and
you've had some time tomarinate, it's okay to come

(01:56):
clean.
John Cena's heel turn was ass,full ass, full ass.
Basuda Voodoooo.
It's okay.
You can take the rose coloredglasses off.
You can put your those circleones that you have that cancels

(02:17):
out that blue light that you betalking about, that you be
wearing.
Put those on.
See clearly.
Now fog and the rain is gone.
It wasn't that it wasn't good.
I won't even say that it wasn'tgood can we?

Speaker 1 (02:36):
can we at least agree on the promos, at least in the
beginning?
You're having a really hardtime no, you're telling me, the
promos and the moments he hadagainst certain people in promo
battles were not good.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
You're telling me those were ass those were okay,
because they were trying really,really hard to sell us on this
heel turn.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
And that's what I'm saying, like despite the heel
turn being trash, the only thingI feel like was at least good
was the promos.
That was it.
Like matches, no, the reasoning, no, but like the back and
forth in certain promos.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Fam.
Until you promo like WillOspreay versus Hangman Adam Page
for the Owens Cup Finals.
Until you promo like that,don't talk to me.

(03:50):
None of that, shit matters Noneof that, shit goes close.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
So you're telling me that's your favorite promo
currently this year that is thepromo of the year bro Okay.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Promo of the year Okay.
So you know whatomo of the year, Okay.
Right now nobody's beating thatyou know what, and I don't
think anyone will beat that.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
You know what.
You know what I'll.
Probably I will agree on thatone.
I will agree.
But now I feel like, justbecause of this conversation,
this is going to be next week'sepisode.
I want you to stand on it Now.
I want to hear what are yourfavorite promos of all time.
I'm putting that down now.
Favorite promos of all time.

(04:32):
It could be a back and forth,it could be a solo promo,
whatever.
But whatever promo that justmade you say, just like how you
said, that is the best promo ofthe year.
And if you cannot give mesomething like that, I'm not
sold.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Actually I know there's I think there's a couple
of them that actually just thatalready come to mind.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
I actually I'm actually have to think back on
some, because I feel like I haveso many different promotions
that I have to cycle through alot of them.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Oh yeah, no, there's a lot that would have to be
cycled through to, for certain,get like that one and I feel
like the only reason why I'mbringing that up and we go right
back into it.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
the only reason why I'm bringing that up is just for
our audience.
We are potentially starting upa wrestling promo show in the
future.
It's still in the works.
We're working on that and forme and we're going to also do
this on a Patreon thing too inthe future so right now we're in
the works of it.
But for me, one of my things asa wrestling fans I know how to

(05:48):
cut a promo, but I don't knowhow to book.
And for swag swag is the booker.
Swag that's just hischaracteristic, that's his trait
.
He loves gmo uh, we've beentalking about even doing gmo as
a patreon edition as well butfor swag, being a booker is his
thing.

(06:08):
That's just what he does.
He has an ability to seewrestling and say, okay, what
makes sense for the business andwhat keeps the character strong
All those characteristics youwould need as a booker.
I kind of need to know thisbecause if we're going to work
on this show, I want to also getinto the mind of Swag Switcher
when it comes to booking, whatbooks, the situation and

(06:32):
obviously, as a producer, mostof the time they have to cut the
promo.
They have to edit the promo,but it all comes within booking.
So I would like to see this inthe future, just to understand
the mindset of Swag Switcher.
My apologies for overtaking thespot.
Let's get back to what you weresaying before.
To get into the original part,I will admit, yes, the John Cena
heel turn was ass.

(06:53):
I'll admit it.
The whole situation I just saidbefore.
I just like certain.
I like the fact that they tried.
How about that?
It was not good.
I would give them the fact thatthey tried.
How about that?
It was not good.
I would give them the fact thatI like that.
They literally had a shitsandwich and they tried to at
least make it good.

(07:13):
Was it good?
No, but they tried, rather thanjust falling flat on his face
and then going back face thenext day.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
I think.
But well, it was, I think there.
Well, the add to that pieceabout them, you know, trying
they were in a position wherethey had no choice, but it's
like the way it looked like.
To me the way it almost cameoff was like they took an

(07:45):
extremely big bomb and theydropped it in the deepest part
of the ocean and let it blow up.
It made a big explosion and youcan see how big that explosion
was and how powerful of animpact it would have had.

(08:05):
But asides from killing acouple of fish, the bomb did
nothing and it was just a wasteof time, a waste of money and a
waste of space and honestly Ireally feel like it's it was.
It was more.
It was mostly just that wasteof time Because if you look back

(08:28):
now and look at everything thatJohn Cena has done up until
this point, he could have donethat exact same stuff as a
babyface and it'd be hotter thanever.
We could have easily had JohnCena go up against Randy Orton

(08:48):
the way he did and I think itwould have been so much better.
Now I will say the CM Punk onewould have been interesting how
to spin it, because you knowJohn Cena is good and CM Punk is
in his baby face run right now.
So it's like the John Cena,john Cena, cm Punk one would

(09:11):
have been a different, wouldhave been an interesting vibe
kind of thing to figure out, butI feel as if they dropped the
ball with that one, because ifthey're trying to you know, as
everyone calls play the greatesthits on it right, the more
intelligent thing would have tohave those two face each other

(09:34):
on TLC Instead of having thatcomplete throwaway match with
main event Uso and Cody and JohnCena and Logan Paul.
That was such a waste.
Then again, tlc was a big waste.
I don't even want to reopenthat game.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
We kind of have to.
Well, I mean yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
TLC was a complete waste.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Complete waste.
The last couple ofpay-per-views, if you want to be
real honest, have been a bit ofa waste of time.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
I'll be real, which, funny enough, that's kind of
sort of been like the theme ofthis week, a real waste of time,
like.
Let me just say I sat down andI watched SmackDown.
That was probably the mostboring episode of SmackDown I

(10:33):
have watched in a very long timeand, as I always say, I'm very
Paula Abdul when it comes tojudging, I just love everything.
Say, I'm very paula abdul whenit comes to judging, I just love
everything, but for it to boreme that badly for something to
be so, because what I findboring someone will find death

(10:57):
defyingly boring.
As a matter of fact, I, I, I'mnot.
I didn't watch it today becauseI usually watch these during
the week while I'm at work, or Ishould say I listen to them
freaking that like JD from NewYork with his podcast failed.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
I love how we both have like particular people.
We watch like you with him andI just watch WrestleTalk, so so
there's.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
So I watch JD, I do watch WrestleTalk and I think
the other shout outs to podcastsand the other podcasts I like
watching he's and he doesn't he.
Well, recently he's been doingthe podcast format a bit more,
but usually he'll do like, uh,you know, quick 15, 20 minute,
like you know, blurts aboutcertain situations that he sees,

(11:44):
and he's ooh, I'm blanking onhis name is it top 10?
no, it's not top 10, it's like.
It's like, it's like behind thelike, like before no, not
before the bell podcast, whichthey're not bad either, but um,

(12:04):
oh, man see, now I'm actually, Ihave to actually look at, um, I
don't want to butch, is it asolo dolo.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
It's a solo white dude.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Um, you're not talking about um off the mic
sports network is what?
There you go, it's his thing.
Yeah, it's uh off the it.
Well, he's off the mic sportsnetwork, but whenever he's doing
his like talking about becausehe talks about regular sports
too, but whenever he's nottalking about sports he talks
his uh, um, it's off the micsports, and then when it's

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wrestling it's off the top rope.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
So oh okay, yeah, I do off the top rope.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
and it's I think it's not anactual, it's like an actual news
, and then, every once in awhile, they'll do the off the
top rope, right.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Well, I only see his off the top rope stuff.
Okay, I remember Because Idon't know if he's part of like
a larger conglomerate, butspecifically it's just this one
guy and I'm like this man has alot of white t-shirts.
Cause, actually, I'm wrong?
Cause I just noticed, maybeevery once in a while, I mostly
notice that he's like alwayswearing like a white t-shirt,

(13:13):
but as soon as I said that hislast video, he's wearing a gray
t-shirt, just to shut me up hejust no, he just said y'all, I
just switched it up just to justto swag, just to tell me Shut
up swag.
You don't know shit, bro.
That's crazy.
But, um, but yeah, no, likeFreaking Jadie from New York, he

(13:34):
, I want to see him like Definethe actual, the actual
whatchamacallit Cause, like Iknow when he be talking His shit
.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
He be talking his shit, fam, he be going off, bro
he be talking his shit, he betalking his shit Fam he be going
off, bro, he be talking hisshit.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Which fam his crash outs are the best, or like the
song that plays.
I was saying best of the bestof the best, that's what his
crash outs are.
But it's like I like himbecause he is brutally,
unforgivingly right sometimesand he doesn't cut the bullshit

(14:18):
on it, and it's great.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
I thought you were going to say he was just honest.
A lot of us are honest, but youjust mean like no, no, say he
was just honest.
I mean a lot of us are honest,but you just mean like no, no,
he's just right.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Which, according to the community which I've come to
now understand, it's what theycall it, the IWC community.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
now, Internet Wrestling community.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yeah, that's apparently what the community
that we have put our dipped ourtoes into.
Now, yeah, and also anotherthing from this, watching these,
listening to these podcasts,I've now come to understand what
is that level beyond the mark,which is what they call, is a

(15:07):
sicko.
I don't know if you've heardthat term.
No, mostly referred to peoplewho watch AEW and glaze AEW even
though there's nothing to glaze.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
Oh, so he's saying like those people that do what
are sickos?

Speaker 2 (15:23):
So yes, like those people that do it are sickos.
So, yes, okay, so, from whatI've come to understand, sickos
are pretty much like those likesuper wrestling fans that like
have the absolute worst opinionsabout things.
Yeah, or they like stick, ormost of the time.
Mostly sickos are the ones thatare.
Most of them are AEW sickos.
Those are the worst onesbecause they're the ones that

(15:44):
are.
Most of them are AEW sickos.
Those are the worst onesbecause they're the ones that
are all like because what was itApparently like last week?
Somehow AEW actually had reallygood ratings for once and like
they actually beat like NXT,apparently, and it's all like.

(16:05):
You know, they were talkingabout how the sickos are going
to be all like.
Oh see, see, look at that, aewis up.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
We can work big things right now.
That dumb shit, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Sickos.
But um yeah, no, like SmackDownwas garbo dog Freight Basuda,
Absolute Poodoo, a Snoop.
If it wasn't for the fact thatI had just woke up from getting
eight hours of sleep, that shitwould have put me back to sleep

(16:42):
this morning.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
I ain't gonna lie.
I ain't gonna lie, that wholesegment of Cena coming out there
and then Cody coming to savehim.
Is it me?
I noticed that the internetcommunity also likes to make fun
of Cody's run.
In his walk he has that old manwalk where he's like bring your
ass back, that old man walk.

(17:04):
I never like bring your assback, that old man walk.
Uh, I've never noticed, yeah,but there's a.
There's literally a greenscreen video of him walking up
to the the throne and he doesthat anytime when he's trying to
approach somebody, he just doesthis particular walk and then
two when he runs, he always runslike he's trying to tiptoe on
one side, like only one side ofhis body has the momentum of

(17:27):
what he's doing, or I kind offeel like he's only doing it
because he's getting ready toposition himself to slide under
the ropes, like you know.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
I might have to like watch and see this now.
See this thing about CodyRhodes, because I've never
noticed it myself.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yeah, it's a funny thing, but go ahead, sorry.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Because, like so SmackDown, literally the only
things that I wrote down wasSamus showed up and he beat Solo
.
Alright, cool, whatever.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
Montreal.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
John Cena got beat up by Drew and Paul, paul London
or Logan, paul Jesus, and thenthey had their and then they had
the, the triple or, I'm sorry,they had the tag team match,
just to end in a DQ no contesttype situation.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
Because they don't want to sell the outcome here,
they're selling it at Clash ofParis.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
But at Clash of Paris it's not a tag team, it's Logan
Paul and John Cena and Drew andCody.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
Which is a dumbass setup.
I don't know what the fuck theywere doing there.
Wait so real quick.
You didn't like the.
Charlotte Flair and Alexa Bliss.
Charlotte Flair is getting backon my good side, all right.
She's getting back on my goodside with the.
We're not friends.
I will say she is popping thefuck off with these outfits Like

(19:04):
she normally is, but like it'slike her.
Popping the fuck off with theseoutfits Like she normally is,
but like it's like her poppingthe fuck off is.
I am queen, I am also thatbitch.
So she's always been here.
Just now she's like no, I'malso that bitch.
Let me start pulling out thatshit, right here she's always
been.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
You've just been blinded by her queendom because
you don't like it.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
That's what's happening I just said she, she,
her outfits be popping, butthese most recent ones, no, no
no, you, you said that's thething that.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
No, no, oh okay, no, the most recent ones.
Yeah sure they've been popping,because you've taken off those
glasses and you're seeing withyour true eyes.
Now, here we go, here we go,here we go, here we fucking go.
Where you say they just nowstarted popping, bro, they've
been popping, they've beenpopping this whole fucking time.

(19:59):
You were just too busy, blindedby hatred, over here embracing
the hate and shit.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
First off, I would call it hatred, Because I mean,
again, I've always said she wasthe queen.
I admit it, I think it was.
Only was it just me and you inthe chat at one point, For what?
I think it was a lot of peoplein the chat that weren't really
a fan of Charlotte at one pointand you was like nah, still the

(20:27):
queen.
And I know, every time I haveseen one of her matches I'm like
yo, Charlotte's the fuckingbest I've always done that.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Oh yeah, no, the group chat.
I don't think there's ever beena time where the group chat,
like I want to say, ever sinceCharlotte's been called up to
the main roster, 80% of thegroup chat's been on that.
Not fuck Charlotte, because shestomped out literally

(20:56):
everybody's main, which is whathappened.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
So it was like you were like Charlotte is here.
I was like, nah, you got togive it to Charlotte.
Charlotte's the fucking betterright.
I would do that, especially inher matches.
But yeah, like, was I a superduper, fucking Charlotte fan?

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Not really, but I could respect her and say she's
fucking amazing, which, at theend of the day, it's like I get
it, I can understand, and I getit, I can understand and I get
why.
Cause, once again, like if whenI settled full thrall in the

(21:35):
camp Charlotte and whatnot, it'slike and everyone has their own
camps at their end.
I don't think there is a pointwhere Charlotte has not walked
into somebody's campus, said hey, I live here and if you don't
like it, eat shit.
And then the person was like Idon't like it.
And then Charlotte proceeded toalright, open wide, eat this

(21:57):
shit.
And then now everyone's upset.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
What the fuck my nigga.
What the fuck was that?

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Charlotte feeding people shit.
That's what I'm saying Becausea good prime example of this and
this is the reason why mostpeople have so much heat towards
Charlotte when Asuka came upand she was out here doing the
thing.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Oh yeah, nigga.
I'm sorry I was on that manwagon too, nigga.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yeah, exactly, and you know what Charlotte told you
to do.
Alright, open wide.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
And you had to eat that shit bro.
Nah, bro, so you telling me itwas valid for Charlotte to end
Asuka's momentum?

Speaker 2 (22:41):
Was it?
I don't know, maybe.
So you're saying it was a goodcall for Charlotte to win that?

Speaker 1 (22:44):
match, was it?
I don't know.
Maybe I mean so you're sayingit was a good call for Charlotte
to win that match a good call.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
I actually can't really say if it was good or not
.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
Come on, my nigga, you take off the rose fucking
color glasses, bro.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Let's be real, man, let's be real but so I guess, in
that case then who Especiallyat that?

Speaker 1 (23:09):
time At Charlotte, okay, but at that time it wasn't
time for it to end yet.
It was not time for it to endyet because she literally just
came from NXT where she wasdominating, having that momentum
, and, yeah, maybe it probablywasn't a smart idea to put her
immediately in front ofCharlotte, but that's what they
did and it's like, well, I guessthat really wouldn't be a

(23:32):
Charlotte thing, that would be abooking thing.
That would be like, hey, asukais red hot right now.
We probably should put her,maybe against a couple other
people.
They're like, nah, let's puther in front of Charlotte.
And then, yeah, if you thinkabout how they're going to book
Charlotte, yeah, booking her towin nine times out of ten would
probably happen, but I justdon't feel like it should have

(23:54):
been done.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
I feel like it killed Asuka's momentum.
See, the only problem is andnow Grant, I'm not, I have to
look at the roster a little moreclearly, but if you look back
on there it's it's one of thoselike, if not her, then then who?
Because what?
It's one of those things whereI feel like they kind of sort of
uh, kind of like what what aewhas kind of done, where they
kind of booked themselves into abit of a shoot, because I would

(24:22):
say this is that's almost theequivalent of having Mercedes, a
thousand belts, monet going upagainst the current women's
champion in AEW, one in TonyStorm.
And then it's like okay, so wehave almost essentially this
undefeated woman over here andwe have the woman's champion who

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is top of the company over here, and it's like either they
cancel out or one's gonna burythe other.
And so it was like either A, welet Asuka cause, if they cause.
It was like either a, we letoscar, because if they, because
it's like either a, we let oscarstomp out charlotte, but then

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now, if charlotte was the bestof the best of the best right
now, and then we have her getstomped out by oscar, then it's
like now Asuka has already ranthrough and left a trail of
bodies in her own wake at thispoint, and so it's like they

(25:34):
don't know how to run monsterscorrectly.
They don't know how to runGoldbergs properly, and so it's
like, instead of easing her intoa loss, they just immediately

(25:54):
put her up against their topwoman who is doing some of the
best work possible and they'relike and then that happens, and
now Asuka is beautiful, AlthoughI don't.
I don't think I think at thetime it felt like it hurt Asuka
a whole bunch, but I don't thinkin a super long run it
completely killed her.
I mean because after that shestill became a champion again

(26:15):
later on, type thing, but itmade her beatable.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
But at the end of the day it's really hard for me to
say whether it was the rightcall, because that's like me
trying to say if brock lesnarbeaten undertaker for the streak
was the right call, kind ofthing, because you're pretty
much putting it in the sense oflike a monkey's paw situation,
like no matter what, even ifyeah, was it the right time, or

(26:40):
if it wasn't the right time Imean we got the cards we were
dealt, let's just do what we gotto do.
And I feel as if, whetherphil's going to be the right
time or if it wasn't the righttime I mean we got the cards we
were dealt, let's just do whatwe gotta do.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
And I feel as if, whether if it was gonna be the
right time or not, we wasprobably gonna be pissed off
with who it was gonna beafterwards, because, lord knows,
I'd be pissed off if it wasBecky Lynch, because you just
don't like Becky.
Yes, I don't like Becky, butthey would have done some dumb
shit like that.
At least they had oscar go upagainst somebody who at that

(27:10):
moment it looked believable forher to get that dub or to lose
dude, because if I, if you cantry and recall, could you put
anybody else in that spotbesides charlotte flair, if you
could think back that far to thewomen that we had no, I mean
there was nobody that could havedid it.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
It was.
I'm not saying that wasn't thecase like, oh, charlotte
shouldn't have done it, it wasmore.
So I didn't think they did it.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
They should have did it that early but I also feel
it's like, because at the timeit did feel like they probably
should have done it that early.
But then if they would have letCharlotte beat her, then
there's that weird spot of like,well, you can't turn around and
let Charlotte beat her again.
And then it's like if Charlotteespecially since Charlotte was

(28:01):
kind of sort of being booked aslike the top woman, it would
look crazy if she lost toCharlotte.
But like, especially sinceCharlotte was kind of sort of
being booked as like the topwoman, it would look crazy if
she lost to Charlotte.
But like, but Sasha.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Banks beat her, or Bayley beat her, or Natalya beat
her.
Oh God forbid, it better not beno, goddamn Natalya.
Then who, brother who?
I told you that we alreadyagreed on it.
But here's the thing.
What I'm trying to say is youliterally bring her up to the
roster, right, okay, your NXT.
The NXT roster is not supposedto be the equivalent of the main
roster.
Have her do some main rostermatches first.

(28:41):
Where she's winning, establishher that she, if not obviously
charlotte's first.
But where is oscar placed onthe totem pole?
But many, you do that again.
You showcase that she'sbeatable.
But I was just saying that,with that fact, if you can at
least give her some matches toestablish who she was in the
main roster and then if you wantto put her in front of

(29:03):
Charlotte, cool, do that.
But like to basically say thatNXT, yes, she blew over all
those women and in the mainroster she can't really create
that same magic, almost like aone hit wonder.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
I don't think so only because of the fact that they
let that streak carry over, likethey acknowledged her
undefeated streak when she cameover to the main roster, which
you know sometimes, because WWEdoes that thing where everything
counts until they don't feellike letting it count, no more

(29:46):
counts until everything counts,until they don't feel like
letting it count, no more.
So it's like sometimes theywill be like oh yeah, her, uh
yeah, the stuff that happened innxt did happen.
It's canon.
And sometimes they'll be alllike oh yeah, we're just going
to ignore that nxt run.
But they didn't ignore her nxtrun and I'm pretty certain I'll
have to look it up.
But I'm pretty certain I'llhave to look it up, but I'm
pretty certain she had a coupleof matches with other females

(30:08):
and put them in the placeleading up to Charlotte Flair,
so she didn't just come up andthen you know, it kind of felt
like it, like I said before, thewith the time span.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
It felt like it was just way too soon.
But, um, going back to the root, I mean cause I felt like we,
going from the the we're notfriends segment, went back into
the uh, the shark conversation.
Um, you didn't like thatsegment.
We're hurting Alexa, bliss.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
You didn't like that segment With her and Alexa Bliss
.
You didn't like that segment atall.
It didn't help.
Smackdown Like if I was to pickone thing that was fun yes,
that might have been, that wasthe funnest thing there but then
it was followed up with a Idon't care match.
So it was like it's like.
It's's like SmackDown did this.

(31:09):
John Cena came out Short Flashsegment.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
That was SmackDown.
I wish you'd have kept thatline on the screen.
I would have edited that.
But I get what you mean.
Where basically SmackDown.
I wish you'd have kept thatline on the screen, I would have
edited that.
But I get what you mean whenbasically SmackDown was not
appealing at all.
I also will say making RonKillings R-Truth again.
How did you feel about that?

(31:42):
Once again, the Smackdown wasabsolute garbage I am continuing
with what you want absoluteabsolute garbage.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Absolute garbage, like because once again they
dropped the ball, like all thissmackdown did was be all like,
alright, cool, number one.
Everything that happened thatdealt with the John Cena heel
turn is absolute trash.
R-truth was not supposed tocome back to work and they've

(32:20):
made that very clear.
And then, uh, made that veryclear, and then that's about it.
Really, nfts and we're notfriends.
You know just.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
I wish I could think that NFT thing is so stupid.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yeah, it's pretty bad .
This new, this new.
And then to go up from thatbecause once again, I haven't
watched Collision.
But seeing as how I have notseen any posts about Collision,
it must not have been that greatto start, but AEW was really no

(33:07):
better.
The only things that I reallynoted about AEW was Darby
Allin's coming for the DeathRiders.
Yeah, mjf is out of the HurtSyndicate.
Yeah, that was a big waste oftime.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
That was.
That really pissed me off,though I ain't going to lie,
that was a big waste of time.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
That was that really pissed me off, though I ain't
going to lie, like honestly Icould almost compare MJF's hurt
syndicate situation almostcomparably to like the John Cena
heel turn.
But I think the MJF one wasmore of a waste of time because
of the fact that we had thissuper big build up, week after

(33:49):
week, him trying to get in, himtrying to get in, he brings to,
he brings the car, he gives awaythe watch, he brings the hose,
like he does all this stuff, andthey're like alright, you know
what you're in.
And then he's there for like amonth and then all of a sudden

(34:09):
they're like you know what weactually don't want you in?
No more, you're out.
So alright, cool, cool, um,swerving, okada's happening.
Now, once that, all right, cool, cool, swerve and Okada's
happening.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Now, once that, I don't give a fuck about that
match, I don't fucking care.
I'm like these are twowrestlers I should never see in
a ring together.
And I'm sorry to say that,because a lot of people will say
, oh, these are dream matches.
What a dick.
These two niggas' styles clashso hard it's ridiculous.
Okay, so the fact that you eventhought it was a good idea to

(34:52):
put them in the ring together islike nigga.
You are literally theequivalent of us as kids picking
a toy out of a box and saying Iguess these two can fight.
What the fuck?
No, no, I literally felt likeTony Khan, as a wrestling fan,
was literally a kid with a bunchof toys, just picking up shit,

(35:14):
just going you know, what'scrazy is that 90% of the podcast
that I watch says that exactstatement.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
verbatim Is that Tony Khan is just a kid who just has
enough money to afford allthese wrestling toys and he's
just grabbing a couple out thebox and he's making the matches.
No fucking way.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
You gotta send me that, because I'm definitely
making that a clip now.
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Oh listen, jd from New York says the shit all the
time, freaking off the mic, offthe top rope all the time, like
these dudes religiously say thisif you can give me a clip of
one of them saying that I willliterally make this clip, I will
gladly but it's true, but it'strue, and it's true, though.

(36:08):
And another thing.
Now, once again, this iswithout me watching Collision
right now.
However, I do know the mainthing that was supposed to
happen in Collision is that KyleFletcher is supposed to fight
um um, I forget his name.
Japanese wrestler.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
But he's supposed to defend his title against him.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
No, not Koto, no, no, no, no, this is Takeshi.
No, they're on the same team.
They're part of the same family, bro, although I don't know
Takeshi Sabata From the Ops.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
This is not a main event guy.
No, I don't know Takeshika'sbeen Sabata From the Ops.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
This is not a main event guy.
This is like he's like theBulldog or something like that.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
Oh Stone, yeah, okay, I know what you're talking
about.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Stoneface, whatever.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
I know his name and his name, for some reason, out
of all Japanese wrestlers, isnot kicking in right now, but I
know his name and his name, forsome reason, out of all Japanese
wrestlers, I know, is notkicking in right now, but I know
who you're talking about theBulldog.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
yeah, yeah, yeah they're supposed to be fighting.
They were supposed to fight incollision, which I'll probably
watch that while I'm doing mything at work.
But like, yeah, no, it's likeAEW.
Aew has this pay-per-viewthat's called Forbidden Door oh
okay, go ahead, talk about it.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
AEW has this pay-per-view that's called
Forbidden Door.
Oh okay, go ahead and talkabout it.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Well, there's nothing really to talk about, because
there's nothing for the way Ican almost explain this
pay-per-view right now.
As it currently stands,forbidden Door looks like
Survivor Series when they don'thave a five-man or a ten-man tag
team match no when they don'thave a five-man tag team.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Remember how back in the day in the Federation years,
they actually made teams thathave significant names to them
and shit yes they did, and thenin the early 2000s, survivor
Series was just a pay-per-viewand they just stopped doing the
tag team thing.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
That's what Forbidden Door feels like.
Forbidden Door does not have alot of forbidden doors being
opened Like I think they'regoing to have Right now.
I think the only match that'sgot any kind of forbidden doors
being opened is the one forMercedes Monet's TBS title.

(38:30):
It's supposed to be like fromCMLL, someone from New Japan,
goddamn Billy Goat's wife, andthen Mercedes.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
I like how, at first, when you said Billy Goat's wife
, I was like nigga, daniel,brian, brian Daniels, or like,
wait, you're talking aboutfucking Will Ospreay.
No, no, no, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
No, no, it's just because they're both.
Just to clarify they're bothgoats.
Yes, yeah, just to clarify.
Brian Danielson, daniel Bryan.
He will always be referred toby his name, all right, willie
Ospreay, he is the Billy Goat,alright, always and forever will

(39:27):
be the Billy Goat.
So just to make thatclarification for all onlookers
the ladies is crazy, but alright, go ahead.
Paul, whoa, whoa whoa don'tgive me that crap.
Will Osprey is Will Osprey.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
I'm not saying he's not.
It was just like I said okay,like how you talk about, I used
to glaze John Cena.
It's like yo go ahead, glazehim, go ahead, like how you do
that.
I'm doing that to you right now.
Now you know how that feels, socontinue.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
But um, but, um, but um but it comes to a right now
see, I usually have one of thosefor, like, when I'm at work and
I usually have my other cuphere, but that has a lot of
liquor in it and I'm icing thatliquor for later and so I don't
want to get lit on the pod.

(40:23):
But uh, but yeah, like theother thing.
Now I will say, comparativelyspeaking, I think AEW kind of
had the slightly better night,or at least compared to
SmackDown, because AEW has somehigh points, like you know, who

(40:47):
do I want to bring up?
Like I really like what they'redoing with MJF and Briscoe.
Yeah, this whole thing with MJFand Briscoe, like it's starting
to cook for me, you know whatI'm saying.
It made me emote a little bitwhenever that match happened

(41:08):
because I was you know, I kindof popped for that a little bit
because I was like damn, that'scrazy.
But I will say a lot, thewrestling community, they are
not with any of these matchesgoing into Forbidden Door, and I
can understand because thebooking has been weird, because

(41:31):
we have two people withcontracts, kind of like Money in
the Bank, contracts.
Right, we have two people.
One of them is holding on tothe contract and is trying to
manipulate himself into a matchwith the champion without
cashing to the contract and istrying to manipulate himself
into a match with the championwithout catching the contract.
The other person has literallylaid out the champion twice and

(41:59):
has looked her in the face andbeen like I'm not going to catch
this in on you yet, even thoughyou are laid out in the middle
of this ring and it would makeso much more sense if I just
pinned your ass right now.
But you know what not do it.

(42:19):
Why, why, why, why would you dosomething so stupid?
And it was going to be evenworse for me, because at this

(42:42):
point she has no choice but toget this.
She has no choice but to win.
Because if she goes all the wayto forbidden door and she gets
into that ring and she loses,I'm gonna be mad, I'm gonna be

(43:04):
fired the fuck up.
I'm gonna be mad, i'ma be firedthe fuck up, i'ma crash out.
Probably I'ma hit a JD levelcrash out.
A JD level crash out dogdoesn't make any fucking sense
doesn't make any fucking sense.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
John Cena, she's John cena with the briefcase.
Bro, I'm gonna cash it in onthis day, but you know, but see
the difference with john cena,is he sure?

Speaker 2 (43:36):
he announced that I'm gonna cash it on this day and I
want you to be ready for thatmatch, cool.
But john cena didn't proceed tolike go into a match that who
the champion had and was like,hit him with an aa boom and then
, after he hits him with the aa,stands over him and holds the
briefcase up above the guy, asopposed to giving it to the

(43:59):
referee, who's still standing inthe ring.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
Yo, that shit happened in real time.
I was like oh my God, yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
You understand how stupid.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
I just look right now .

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Do you know how they got Athena out here?
They got Athena out herelooking like a dumb blonde right
oh my God, out here.
They got Athena out herelooking like a dumb blonde Right
.
Athena out here looking likeshe's so clever.
I got your number, tony Storm.
I hit you with the old facetwice and I stood over your
lifeless body with my contract.

(44:39):
It didn't cash in because I'mso confident at the pay-per-view
.
I'm going to beat you, eventhough I already laid you out
twice and no one was going tohelp, because we've already made
it clear the fact that you knowToni Storm doesn't have anyone
on her side right now that cantruly help her.
But you know we're going towait.

(45:01):
By the way, athena, she's theheel.
That's the other differencebetween her and John Cena.
John Cena was still a baby, soAthena's a heel, but we're gonna
wait.
Cash, we're gonna wait for abit.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
Anyway, wrong, wrong, however, hold on how the fuck
you gonna go, how the fuck yougonna go from SmackDown as you
went backwards in the fuckingweek.
My guy, what the fuck.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
Because irrelevancy and importance.
That's where it is.
Smackdown was barely worthtalking about.
Aew was, eh, some, there's somechoice, there's some booking
choices.
That were some fucking bookingchoices.
But, like you know, if you taketheir greatest wrestlers on the

(46:06):
earth thing away, like it wasvery it was meh.
Where SmackDown was just bad,aew was meh.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Or, as WrestleMania says, the good, the bad and the
downright ugly.
I mean SmackDown would be thedownright ugly, downright ugly,
downright ugly indeed.
So real, quick, but raw aboutwhat you got to say here um, one
of the reasons why I probablydid not watch Collision is cause

(46:40):
my nigga, you told me theending of Collision last week
was Dustin Rose puttingthumbtacks in a man's underwear
and kicking him in the dick.
And he still continues towrestle as if nothing fucking
happened.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
I mean, jon Moxley fell on a bed of nails and won
his title match, okay.
Jon Moxley took a spike boardto the back Okay, and walked out
of there as if he barely brokea sweat or something, okay, but

(47:23):
here's the difference, my nigga.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Okay, he got off that bed of nails and he got off
that board.
The spikes are still in yourdrawers, bro.
So any motion or anythingyou're doing until the match is
over, you got tacks on your nutsand them fucking Speedos ain't

(47:49):
fucking got no room, bro.
It's you and me.
At that point, it's metal on mewhat's the point you're trying
to make?
that's fucking insanity, bro.
You telling me I'm supposed tocontinue to have this man
believe that this man is stillcontinuing this match and your
first thought process is getthese fucking tacks out my
drawers and in two also two, twoDustin.

(48:13):
Dustin losing the fucking beltafter he just got the belt
became a transitional champion.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
That shit pissed me off and I was like alright, man,
probably ain't gonna watch thatshit but you're't gonna watch
that shit, but you're stillgonna watch these matches, these
death matches with Jon Moxley,where he'll then, after having
this blown-out death match, comeout there the next show like

(48:43):
the death match never happened.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
Nigga.
I watch death matches whereniggas actually do a fucking
brain buster off of a fuckingbuilding into a pile of tables
and light tubes.
Okay, that shit's normal for me.
Alright, ain't nothing that'sgonna be like?
Oh well, that's too crazy,nigga.
I've seen crazier things thanno promotions.
And then niggas come back thesame day too, and he's from that

(49:09):
era.
So in my brain that makes sense, because john moxley used to
wrestle for czw and that niggadid some crazy shit.
And this is supposed to be johnmoxley's character from the
indies.
Now, if this was Dean Ambrose,probably not, because Dean
Ambrose has never shown that,but as Jon Moxley, as my history

(49:31):
has shown, he's been doing shitlike that.
So for him to come back nextweek and be like, yeah, no, he
did just do this crazy ass matchone time and he came back the
next week.
So yeah, that's Moxley.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Maybe that's why you're not that great of a
booker.
That makes sense.
That makes sense.
But going back into Raw here,so for one apparently, Seth
Rollins' group is called theVision, which I'm kind of proud
of myself because I definitelycalled that name.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
I think you did say that, yeah, oh no, I definitely
did.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
I can now just call them Vision, but before this
I've just been referring to asSeth Rollins' Vision.
That's what I call it.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Oh, you said Seth Rollins' Vision.
That's what you said, yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
Which it's still what it is.
Just, I don't have to say it'sSeth Rollins' vision anymore.
I can now just call it a vision, I guess.
But um, For one, I love mytribal thief as he rocks his

(50:48):
shoe Apollo, I love him to death.
Brunson Reed is my guy.
Always has been hashtag tsunami.
That's all y'all really need toknow about Raw.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Oh him stealing shoes again that's all you careall
really need to know about Raw.
Oh, him stealing shoes again.
That's all you care.
So you're telling me thatsegment alone was what made Raw
For me.
Yeah, get the fuck out of here,man.
So you're telling me onesegment can make a show better,
but then, like the segment withCharlotte and Alexa, that can't

(51:27):
make a show for you.
But this can all right, so Iwant you I'm not, I'm just
trying to, I'm trying tounderstand.
I'm trying to understand in asense of a segment can save a
show.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Yes, a segment can save a show.
Yes, a segment can save a showto a certain degree.
Let me put it this way thething with Charlotte Flair yeah,
that segment was great, but itwasn't great enough to fucking
dig that garbage show out of ahole.
It couldn't.
That Charlotte Flair segment,with her and Alexa Bliss, was

(52:07):
not strong enough to make up for.
Oh, our truth is just our truthagain.
And oh, fucking garbage.
Finish to this tag team match.
Or oh, barely anything actuallyhappened on this show.
Oh, barely anything actuallyhappened on this show.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
So it's more so in a sense of a.
A single segment itself cannotsave a really shitty show.
But, like, since raw was decentwith the content, it had this
segment it's.
It technically makes the show.
Because that's what I wascurious about.
Are you saying like a segmentcan save a show if the rest of

(52:45):
the show?
Because that's what I wascurious about are you saying
like a segment can save a showif the rest of the show is trash
?
no, oh yeah, no no that's what Iwas trying to understand if
you're trying.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
No, for me, a segment can't save a show.
If the whole show is trash,okay segment.
If anything, all the segmentdoes is be all like it.
It makes the show memorable forsomething else other than
garbage okay, so just I'm tryingto understand your rating as
well oh well, number one, let mesay raw was good, raw was

(53:19):
actually good, going like thatwe act.
This this week was kind of sortof like a good, bad and the ugly
.
I just started with the uglyfirst and made my way up, but
it's like raw was actually good,like everything with the vision
was great from the, thebeginning shit.

(53:40):
And then the stuff that was atthe end, the vision was was
perfectly great for the show,kind of messed up that they cut
off naomi's promo, um.
And then of course there wasthe uh becky lynch and nikki
bella situation oh that, oh,yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
So now I'm curious what'd you think of it?

Speaker 2 (54:07):
I mean Becky Lynch did drop a bomb on Nikki Bella
and that's it actually.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
I feel like that bomb is actually better than the
pipe bomb, the John Cena pipebomb.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
I mean, there's a lot of things better than the John
Cena pipe bomb.
Brother, you're the one who'sgot the rose colored glasses on?
Nah, nah, nah.
You're the one who's got therose-colored glasses on?
Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.
You're the one who is stuck onJohn Cena.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
I said I only popped the fuck off.
I didn't say I didn't say Ithought it was great.
I said I popped the fuck offbecause I knew what was
happening.
That's what I said.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Well, I mean that's fine, it's fine You're allowed
to pop the fuck off.
But like there's John Cena'spipe bomb promo is not like even
in a top 20.
Or 30, for that matter, forthis year.
Hell, if we really want to getinto it.

(55:06):
John Cena's earlier promos weredefinitely earlier.
Heel turn promos weredefinitely better than the pipe.
So if we're going to rate someof John Cena's promos here, but
like literally everything aboutit's almost as if like the
wrestling week started out witha bang with Raw and then it just

(55:29):
slowly got shittier andshittier and shittier To the
point where I'm like man, I'malmost worried to watch
Collision, because if it isgoing that trail, if SmackDown
was ass, collision is diarrheaPresumably.
But I can't say I haven'twatched it.
But like Seth Rollins and LAKnight, that match and stuff

(55:51):
like that, which I almost kindof mapped that match because it
almost like undermine, it's alllike man, this big moment for LA
night and then it got shat onby CM Punk and Roman Reigns.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Yeah, I've been doing that with him for a while
though but not just with him.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
As a matter of fact, I don't know if you've been
noticing, but I feel as if, like, wwe is doing this weird thing
where they're repeating historyCause it's like they've been
doing some very early eightiesuh, uh booking where it's like,

(56:28):
hey, we're going to gonna haveour biggest stars in these
matches and, because this isn'ta pay-per-view match, these
matches are gonna win them.
Disqualifications, draws and nocontests.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
They've been doing that for years.
Yeah, it's a very annoyingthing.
They haven't been doing thatfor years.
I feel, as if I mean mean, theywill do it, but it hasn't been
what.
I mean, like it's a frequentyeah.
Yeah, I'm just saying they havedone it in general, but like
you were talking about, as asfree.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
I mean okay, everyone does it.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
In general it is a way of booking.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
But if you look at when you think about those old
days with Hogan and stuff likethat in the mid to late 80s and
how those matches would be,where you know a match would
happen and they'd be fightingand someone would interfere, but
it's like that happened all thetime.
That was every show and I meanevery Happened all the time.

(57:31):
That was Every show, and I meanEvery show.
It was almost happening everyshow and you wouldn't get a
clear, clean win Until thepay-per-view that's.
Wwe has kind of sort of beenfollowing that trend.
It's been Like every show.
There's almost been at least onewhere it ends in dq or it's a

(57:55):
no contest or someone interferesand you know like it ends like
that where it's like it's nottruly decided and so like that's
been like a.
That's been a thing.
That's been happening a lot andit's funny because some people
are starting it, which it'sslowly getting there for me too.

(58:17):
But it's like people arelooking at the vision, calling
it the Seth writers right now,which they're not wrong, and I
kind of agree a little bit andhonestly WWE's been doing this a
lot, like WWE's been reallybiting on the heels of AEW, like

(58:39):
, I think, my favorite thing sofar has been WWE doing these all
star 8 man tag team matches.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
You look confused.
No, no, I'm trying to hear therest of it.
I know what you're talkingabout, but are you saying
they're doing it as a poke atthem?
That's why I'm trying to letyou cook.
I'm just like okay, where areyou going with this?

Speaker 2 (59:06):
No, obviously, wwe never barely, no, what it it had
.
Obviously, hey, wwe neverbarely with these eight, eight
man tag matches, like as whereaw does them all the time that's
why I'm trying to find out likeare you just saying they're

(59:26):
doing it?

Speaker 1 (59:27):
poke at them, and if and?
If so, then like, but why?

Speaker 2 (59:31):
That's a good question.
Why?
I don't know why.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
I don't know why.
Hey, we're trying to show youwe can do a better type of thing
.
That's what I was confused with.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
That's what I can only guess.
I mean, you do know SurvivorSeries is going to be in Texas
at a baseball stadium, just likehow you see where I'm getting.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
Okay, that's why I was trying to find out the
source of that.
Okay, I see what you're talkingabout.
Yeah, yeah, yeah Because that'scoming up.
And then, of course, we have oh,like that one time they did
They've done recently in Orlando.
One time they even booked theAmway Center and it was a live

(01:00:14):
show, right, just WWE live, likefucking, um, what's the show
called?
What's the type of shows?
Lives, just live shows,whatever.
Yeah, house shows, house shows,um, they literally did a house
show in a amway center wherethis is supposed to be a aw

(01:00:40):
pay-per-view, that's next door,like it's like literally, I
think it's in a dr phillipscenter or something like that
really small ball room and it'ssupposed to be one of the top,
because I think they had it wasat it was in December.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
At UCF or in the UCF arena.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Yeah, it was in December.
My father-in-law got me ticketsand at first I was like man, I
really want to go to the AEWshow because some of the matches
there are going to be fuckingawesome.
And then I was like but fuckingawesome.
And then I was like but mywife's father, just my
father-in-law just gave metickets to go live and I'm like

(01:01:17):
I don't want to go watch a liveshow, I shit.
I mean like it's fun, but likeand it's the thing.
So it's just like.
They've done it a lot of timeswhere it's an aew pay-per-view
over here, we got some shit overhere just to show you.
We could do that shit too.
Even the Paris situation, Ithink, when AEW did All In and
then WWE said, ah, okay, so wecan start doing that shit, and

(01:01:40):
then we can also do that sameshit, same time.
Just see, like.
I've noticed that too.
I've noticed that too.
I don't know if you would justtalk about specifically those
matches.
So that's why I was also askingit.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
It's more so me just kind of sort of like just small
things that I'm picking up andhey, maybe they are just
coincidence.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
Maybe it is.
No, they're definitely notcoincidence.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
But at the same time I'm like you know, wwe had an
eight-man tag match in a longass time and then, literally
just as last week, aew had a10-man and an 8-man and all this
other stuff.
Wwe's like, hey, we're going tohave a.
What did they have?

(01:02:20):
First they did the six-manintergender match, so it was the
Ibuki Warriors with AJ Styles Afantastic team-up, absolutely.
And who did they go up against?
They went up against goddamnJudgment Day Mm and so like.

(01:02:42):
So it's just like.
And then later on they had that, that eight-man.
I swear they called it aneight-man all-star tag team
match.
And I was like, no, they lost.
They WWE, you're not any slickbro.
And funny enough, unfortunatelyfor AEW.

(01:03:03):
It was kind of better like, inmy opinion.
But hey, you know, all I say iswe put our ones up for our
tribal thief hashtag tsunami.
I will follow us gettingstronger every minute.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
How about this, bro?
Bro, this shit is so realbecause, like a lot of people, I
will see, like, why did he takeoff his shoes?
But like real niggas know howdisrespectful it is, everybody
else is just like that's funny,he's taking off his shoes.
Nah, that nigga, that mean hebeat his ass and he beat, he
bitched him in front ofeverybody, bro.

(01:03:40):
And then for him to be doingthat, and then my wife see it.
That shit, ghetto as fuck.
What.
That shit killed my ass, bro.
Like how the fuck, how the fuckyour German ass.

(01:04:03):
Know about knocking a nigga'sshoes?

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
That shit killed me, bro.
Listen, fam, there are somethings that are universal.
Oh my God, and and your kicksjacked.
And it's funny because I'vebeen looking at these videos of
Roman Reigns.
They're showing the videos ofRoman Reigns.
He's sitting there like he'sgotta walk back up the ramp in

(01:04:27):
his socks, actually, to anybodyelse that should.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
He's got to walk back up the ramp in his socks.
That actually to anybody elsethat should bury them.
I'm sorry but because it'sRoman it's like it's valid.
He can pick it back up.
He can get back up.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Yeah, fam, and the other bit.
The last little thing that Iwant to bring up is just the
fact that, um, um, starting nextWrestlemania $30, oh yeah, ESPN

(01:05:10):
$30 a month to watchpay-per-views which sucks.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
I think somebody said the equivalent of this now is
gonna be I think, to be awrestling fan you have to pay at
least $516 a year just to be awrestling fan.
Just to be a.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
Yeah or though we're not sponsored by any year, just
to be a wrestling fan, just tobe a yeah.
Or though we're not sponsoredby any, get yourself a VPN, call
it a fucking thing, because boy, oh boy, that's, it's crazy,
it's absolutely crazy.
Ain't.
No way, bro, like it'd be onething, because, like for the

(01:05:52):
ESPN thing, it'd be one thing ifI was a sports ball guy.
You know what I'm saying.
If I, like, truly lovedwatching sports ball of any kind
, I like how you call it asports ball and I'm like what
the fu?

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
Okay, basically any sport that includes a ball.
Continue, continue.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
Yeah, Because there's not a whole lot of puck balls.
But even then, I don't careabout those games.
I don't care about those either.
I get what you're saying, Icare, and so which?
That's a coin term from afriend.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
Can I say something that might be controversial?
Oh, okay, and this is my bulletroom hot take, and maybe you
know for all those people thatmight be like, but wrestling's
fake.
Why is watching, likebasketball, football, any of
those other sports, boring asfuck?
But like, watching wrestling isthe most entertaining thing

(01:06:48):
ever.
And think about it Like I'veplayed football.
I enjoyed the game football.
I can watch a football game andyou know, completely understand
what's going on, right?
But I, if I was put into asituation where I had to choose
what I wanted to watch, it'snever going to be football.

(01:07:10):
I don't care who team, I don'tcare what athlete.
There is nothing about it thatmakes me say, boom, I want to
watch this right Now.
Granted, boxing, mma, yeah, butthe idea of watching a sport
we're going to call it a fuckingsport.
But art that, while, while, yes, we do know the outcomes, we do

(01:07:33):
understand the back of the age,politics and things of that
nature.
But this product is so muchbetter to watch compared to
watching that.
And to know that I'm nowsubscribed, or going to be
subscribing, to something wherethere is only one thing I'm
getting out of it and it's only$30 and we just went from $10?

(01:07:54):
Fucking crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
And what's even funnier is the fact that with
that, it's like, because you'regetting a sports network, as
they're calling it, astraight-to-consumer whatever
that, but it's like you'regetting pretty much a sports
network thing that's only goingto have a pay-per-view on it,
roughly maybe once a month.

(01:08:17):
Yep, so you're paying.
So I mean, comparably speaking,it's almost like just buying,
pay buying a pay-per-view.

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
Pay-per-view again.
Yeah, I mean shit.
Fucking aew still makes you pay60 to 50 for a fucking
pay-per-view.
Pay-per-view again.
Yeah, I mean shit, Fucking AEWstill makes you pay $60 to $50
for a fucking pay-per-view,which to me fucking insane.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
Not for the product that they're giving.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
Not, absolutely not no.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
And it's like I will say, I think in the long run, I
think we've been spoiled justslightly Because of the WWE
Network and stuff like that,because we also used to have to
spend $60 a month.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
Nigga, I could only watch it at your house, bro, my
mom wasn't paying for it.
Fuck, nah, that was the onebenefit of you as a friend I
ain't gonna lie is I would belike Mom, I really want to watch
this pay-per-view $60?
Boy, that's your goddamn money.
But I knew, I knew your mom,she was going to pay that
fucking $60.

(01:09:16):
And I was like nah, so I justgo to the homie house and I'm
going to watch the pay-per-view,and that became our thing for a
very long time.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
For all intents and purposes, like with these, it
ain't $60 anymore and theoccasional $70 because
WrestleMania was always moreexpensive.
Could you imagine if we stilldidn't have these networks and
we had to pay, if they made youpay for both nights of

(01:09:49):
WrestleMania?

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
I'm going to tell you this right now.
Granted, I feel like, because ofthe network, that kind of
prevents friends from kind of Iwould say forcing themselves to
get together to watch a productBecause, like I said before, if
I didn't go to your house, Iwasn't seeing the pay-per-view
right and having you come overrecently, like the product's ten

(01:10:17):
dollars, you don't have to cometo my house.
You could be like yo.
Actually I don't really feellike going over there because I
got it 10 bucks.
I don't want to make the drive,but because it was 60 back in
the day, nigga, you had to getin that car and you had to go
because you knew it was eitherat the fucking wing house it was
at your spot, like no matterwhat you were gonna see it, but

(01:10:40):
it forced us to get together togo watch it because, remember,
we didn't have to even go to thewing zone, but we went to the
wing zone every fuckingpay-per-view.
One, because we were friendswho enjoy watching the product
together.
And two, nigga, I don't want topay all that goddamn money.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
Which is true, which, clearly speaking, especially
since, like because I know atthe time we just we didn't have
the, we didn't get the WWENetwork, and so at that time and
it was was like when we wouldgo to the wing house, we would
do the thing where because, like, where the pay-per-views were
still, like, you know, 40, 50,60 bucks.

(01:11:18):
Instead, you go to the winghouse and spend like $10 on like
an appetizer, or maybe $15 onan appetizer and a drink, and
you just sit there and watch thepay-per-view.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
You're good an appetizer and a drink and you
just sit there and watch thepay-per-view.
You're good, yeah, but I willsay it is good to be able to
like every once in a while, whenyou do come over.
It's very nostalgic for me.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
I agree, especially since, like I don't like, even
on my end, like I used to, orlike there was a good time where
we, we was still trying to likedo the whole everyone come
through and watch pay-per-views,but like now it's like you know
, our boy antonio, he uh,because he works the

(01:12:04):
pay-per-views now I wouldn't sayhis name, but yeah, you know,
oh it's safe.
We've already worked out thecontract on that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
Okay, okay, I'm making sure because I didn't
want to ever say something likeyou know, damn, somebody feels
like we got insider trade orinsider knowledge and shit like
that.
So no, I don't make sure thatOkay cool, I don't want to make
it lose a job bro.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
Nah, he ain't.
He's good, he is solid.
As a matter of fact, I'm prettycertain right now he is
actually.
I don't know if he's gone rightnow or if he's come back no,
he's still traveling right now.
I remember seeing him onsnapchat okay, he's been
hustling, bustling, but the onlything I can say is he is doing
amazing things.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
Okay, he's been hustling, bustling.
The only thing I can say is heis doing amazing things.
Honestly, if you could say itfrom the podcast standpoint, we
proud of our boy.
One of us was going to do itand he was the one.
Boom bam.
Yes, continue on.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
Oh no.
But yeah no, definitely VPNingthat shit.
I don't plan on buying spendingthe 30 bucks on that.
Unless there's something elsethat yeah, it's like I actually
have like a small VPN that comeswith Google.
I'm probably going to actuallymove forward and get like

(01:13:28):
fucking like Surfshark.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
I'm probably going to actually move forward and get
like fucking, like, like likesurf shark or they don't.
They're gonna switch that shitreal fast watch, because
everybody's gonna be doing.
The vpn ain't gonna get noscript.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
Fan, I'll be that boy .
Oh boy, the internet universeis going to lose their mind.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
No, no, no, no.
I'm calling it right nowbecause there's so many memes
about it, like, even though Iremember I show you I tagged you
in one of them, right, and itwas the watch bloop, bloop.
I'm not saying it because youknow the block is hot right now.
We do not need that website togo down, but that particular
website was.
Like the average casualwrestling fan buys the network.

(01:14:09):
The elitist is going to usethat website or, like our
homeboy said, using a VPN.
So it's like, how many of theuh mouth breathers are going to
buy the, the, the, the, thesubscription, whereas the
wrestling fan like me and youand the tech nerds that we are

(01:14:33):
are going to be like, nah, I'mjust going to use VPN bro listen
, it's funny enough.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
It's because of that stuff the reason why that WWE
don't cater to us no more.
They don't care about us littlepeon broke ass motherfuckers.
They out here looking at theupper echelon people.
They don't care about us littlepeon broke-ass motherfuckers.
They out here looking at theupper echelon people.
Who's going to actually putmoney in their pockets, aka the
people who aren't going to spend$30 on, you know, $30 to watch

(01:15:04):
their pay-per-views every month,as well?
As when we come to your city,you're going to drop a car
payment not a car payment, I'msorry, a down payment on a car
to sit in the nosebleed sectionof our venues to watch our
people Just to say that you werethere.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
Just said shit Because, as a wrestling fan,
it's such a flex to say I was atthe blank.
I was at this moment.
I was there when Sting poppedup out of nowhere and showed up
in WWE.
I was there.
Even though I was in thenosebleeds, I was there.

(01:15:46):
There's such a big flex as awrestling fan was there.
There's such a big flex as awrestling fan.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
I mean, listen, I was a nosebleed when Shawn Michaels
kicked Ric Flair in the face atWrestleMania.
I was there for that I wasthere when Kane beat Chavo
Guerrero for the ECW belt atthat WrestleMania.
I was there for the once in alifetime WrestleMania that

(01:16:10):
turned into a twice in alifetime, but we don't talk.
But, uh, since we're talkingabout these Pay-per-views and
everything, guess we should Goahead and get into that, uh,
that talk about these, uh.

Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
The titantrons.
So for those Titantrons.
Basically, guys, what we'regoing to talk about is what
stage really stood out to us allfor throughout the years, one
of our favorite stages.
The reason why we're havingthis conversation is because
while we're watching summer slamman, it was just three fucking
screens.
It, it was three fuckingscreens.

(01:16:49):
There is a thing aboutwrestling when Vince McMahon was
here and I know people willprobably get gushy or feeling
some type of way, but Vince, hemade stages and he made a story.
With every stage, everypay-per-view was themed, every
pay-per-view made sense and italso even added sometimes to the

(01:17:14):
fucking show.
So I wanted to talk about whatare some of the best stages that
maybe, if not WWE or whateverproduct that you've watched, was
like some of your favorite ones, because I feel like there's
just way too many to say top 10.
So it just kind of went in aspit ball conversation and swag

(01:17:35):
seems like he's hot, hot withwhat his first one is.
So I'm curious what's yourfirst one?

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
I did a pretty deep dive and when it comes to a top
10, like, I mean, it would bepossible to break it down to a
top 10.
Like I mean, it would bepossible to break it down to a
top 10.
It would take a much longertime than what we had to do so,
but the way you'd have to breakit down is first you have to get
a list of the pay-per-viewsthat exist.

(01:18:03):
That's the first part, which isa lot.
The first part, which is a lot,especially with the fact that
there are pay-per-views thatexist and then there are
pay-per-views that they haven'thad in a while, but then they'll
sometimes randomly bring themback up.
And there are somepay-per-views where they used to

(01:18:24):
have them all the time and thenthey stopped having them and
then they gave it to NXT as apay-per-view for them to like no
Mercy and things like that andGrand American Bash probably
have it too.
So, like all of those whichbecause I was not very pervious
to it but I actually found outoh, a couple of those Halloween

(01:18:50):
Havoc Bash at the Beast thosewere, and actually even War
Games in itself.
Those were all WCW paper.

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
I didn't know, you knew that.
Well, later on I did, but likeone of them that I really didn't
realize was one, especiallywhen they first came out with it
in WWE was Great American Bash.

Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
I didn't know Great.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
American Bash was a freaking WWE WCW, wcw, baby.
Yeah, that surprised me.
I was like, oh, I knewHalloween Havoc was a WCW, as
always.
I also knew Bash at the Beachwas kind of thing.
I had never heard of War Gamesuntil they they brought war
games, war games until theybrought it over, and so but like

(01:19:36):
um, but yeah, so it's likeyou'd have to.
It's one of those things likefirst you'd have to figure out
what is your favoritepay-per-view of that particular
pay-per-view line.
That's the first piece and thenonce you can figure that out
and you can figure out which onewas your favorite, then you
would line all those up and belike, all right, when I line

(01:19:57):
these all up, which ones theyline up with.
And it's a very, very, verylong process.
As a matter of fact, it's sucha long process that I didn't
even look at all pay-per-views.
I looked at the ones that Iknew I always liked, as time was

(01:20:19):
going on.
Which was my favoritepay-per-views were always not
because of the matches, justbecause the presentation that
the pay-per-view would alwaysbring was what made it my
favorite, and that would beBacklash, armageddon and
SummerSlam.
There was also Judgment Day andback when it was a pay-per-view

(01:20:44):
King of the Ring.
Those were some of my favoriteones as far as those, and so
it's like is it any particularone like?

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
okay, because I want to say I liked armageddon, but
my favorite armageddon um stagewas 2000, when triple h went
against vincent man so whenTriple H went against Vincent
Mann.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
So this was more so when you just by namesake okay,
not a specific one initially, orat least with what I'm saying
right now.
I'm just saying like I alwaysliked Backlash as a pay-per-view
.

Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
I always liked Armageddon Because of the two
hooks.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
Yes.
So aesthetic-wise, backlash wasalways the pay-per-view I liked
seeing.
Its aesthetic for Armageddon'saesthetic was always a favorite
of mine.
Its aesthetic for Armageddon'saesthetic was always a favorite
of mine.
Summerslam, I think for a longtime visually not even for a
long time, even like kind ofsort of now SummerSlam used to

(01:21:59):
be my favorite pay-per-viewperiod.
I just used to.
Summerslam was like, yeah,summerslam was my favorite one
that I just would always beready to look out for.
Because the presentation forSummerSlam was my favorite one
that I just would always beready to look out for.
Because the presentation forSummerSlam was always dope.
Now, whether or not there wasgood matches there, that's
another story and what not.

(01:22:21):
But I have a lot that I endedup writing down when it comes to
these.
Because there's, for example,with Backlash 2000 to 2002.
Capacities because, like,because I literally because
because there's, for example,with backlash 2000 to 2002.
That was when they had thehooks and I liked all of the
hooks, the swinging hooks thatthey would have.

(01:22:42):
But there's like, after thatthey kind of sort of went away
from the hooks, or at least theywent away from the swinging
hooks being close up and theyhad a big, a bit more of like a
bigger presenting stage, butlike most of them were not.
They were kind of for me andit's like the last two good

(01:23:03):
backlash stages to me was in2005 and 2006.
And so, but then after that andit's like in between 2006 and
2007,.
The common thing I noticedthrough all of these

(01:23:26):
pay-per-views is theintroduction to LED panels, and
we said it off here, but Ibelieve LED panels and we said
it off here, but like I believeLED panels is what killed
Pay-per-view stages, or I shouldsay Elaborate pay-per-view
stages, I'll agree.
Now, as time goes on, it's notfully LED panels, because, like,

(01:23:50):
wrestlemania nowadays Isnothing but LED panels, because,
like Wrestlemania nowadays isnothing but LED panels but they,
but there's so much extra tothe stage in the presentation
that allows it to be super dope,and there's, like, such a good
use of the LED panels, forexample, one of the ones that I

(01:24:10):
put down here for, like, when itcomes to like some of the LED
panels, for example, one of theones that I put down here for
when it comes to some of theWrestleMania stages.
Where is that?

Speaker 1 (01:24:16):
I feel like you're about to be biased on that one.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
Well, I would be because of the three
WrestleManias that I've gone to,I think, my first WrestleMania,
which was WrestleMania I thinkit was 24.
And then when it came back,which was WrestleMania 33, those

(01:24:40):
stages were amazing.
I mean freaking, top-notch,top-tier Blanche Epskis with the
rollercoaster and the big worldand everything.
And then the other one was justlike, like, like, literally
like a like florida skyscrapertype situation, like the tall
buildings with palm trees, likethose were great.

(01:25:01):
But I think one of my favoritewrestleman, one of my favorite
wrestlemanians talking aboutwith the led panels, was
Wrestlemania 20.
Cause Wrestlemania 20?
It had a pretty big stage, butit was literally just like full
LED panels and on the LED panelsit was just a picture of a city

(01:25:26):
, which I think was New York.
However, it was cool becausecertain people would come out
and the panels would react totheir entrances.
Ie, one of the dopest entrancesKane's ever had was when the
pyro goes off and then when hecomes out, those LED panels that

(01:25:49):
showed the city of New York,that show the city of New York
now shows the city of New Yorkon fire, which still one of the
dopest ones that he's ever doneas far as.
But it's like there's a lotthat I like I said I kind of
went a little overboard with mylist.

(01:26:11):
I ain't gonna lie to you.
I did a deep dive.

Speaker 1 (01:26:17):
I was more so hoping about hearing specific ones,
like I know you talked aboutbefore we even start the pod.
You was like man 2000 didn'tmiss.
And yes, royal Rumble slapped.
Survivor Series slapped Likeevery pay-per-view stage in the
2000 slap.
Okay, straight bangers.

(01:26:37):
I mean Wrestlemania.
That was LED screens, I thinkthey didn't.
Wrestlemania 2000 just hadthree big ass screens yeah,
that's what I'm saying, like bigass screens now.

Speaker 2 (01:26:51):
It's funny because when going through this list, it
was like where, most of theseyears, where I've had these good
pay-per-views, where they hadthese good pay-per-view screens
and whatnot, wrestlemania wasfalling short for a while.

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
Oh, you said.
It added Okay, I got you.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
Like Wrestlemania screens were like Wrestlemania
shows were falling short.

Speaker 1 (01:27:19):
Like when I was looking at my list, Like this
one where it was like threescreens pushing forward.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
Yeah, it was that, that one was that.
But like because, like, forinstance, like with my
Wrestlemania ones that I putlike, because like, for instance
, like with my wrestlemania onesthat I put like like because,
like I was going like I was justlike going down this lip down
about down the list, and it'slike, you know, one of my
original favorite wrestlemania'swas the caesar's palace.
I thought that was like such acool, dope looking venue, even

(01:27:48):
down to how people came down tothe ring and stuff like that.
But there's, like I know,wrestlemania 17.
That was like.

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
WrestleMania 17 was probably my original favorite,
wrestlemania titantron, becauseof just how big presenting it
had the two big Wrestlemania 17son the side and everything, and
it was oh, you don't rememberno, I'm trying to run it back

(01:28:22):
real quick because I think theone I'm thinking I think that
was 98 and that was when Austinwent against Shawn, so I don't
think it was that.
Listen, all those Wrestlemaniafor me, yates.
And that was when Austin wentagainst Sean.
So I don't think it was that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
Yeah, listen all those Wrestlemania, for me, god
damn it yeah, okay, sorry listen, it was the big ass eggs from
Wrestlemania.
From Wrestlemania 1 all the wayto like Wrestlemania 17.
All of those were ass.
From WrestleMania 1 all the wayto WrestleMania 17.

(01:28:52):
All of those were ass,Excluding WrestleMania 9, all of
those were ass.
Wrestlemania 9 is the onlyexception within that first 15
WrestleMania shows.
That was good.

Speaker 1 (01:29:12):
WrestleMania 9, that was fire.
That was fire.

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
Caesars Palace WrestleMania 9, though that
WrestleMania is often looked atas being one of the worst
WrestleManias.

Speaker 1 (01:29:22):
Oh yeah, that's fact.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
As far as matches-wise and show-wise and
the things that happened, itlooked beautiful.
Wrestlemania 17 was like thefirst time where it was all like
, yeah, now that's amotherfucking titantron.
Wrestlemania 18, with thefreaking scaffolding, look, and
all this other stuff, like itjust looked big and, granted,

(01:29:45):
like it's a very abstract artpiece, but like it was kind of
cool looking.
Still for WrestleMania 18.
And then the next one I havewas the WrestleMania 20.
Wrestlemania 19 was like eh,because it was in that weird
baseball stadium kind of thing.
But WrestleMania 20, that waswhen we're full, super deep in

(01:30:13):
the LED situations right now.

Speaker 1 (01:30:15):
Yeah, that was the wait.
20 was the two X's right.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
Yes, and that was in.
New York and they had, likethat city, skyline situation
going on.
Like I said, when Kane came outand he set all that shit on
fire, absolutely epic, but likeI think Armageddon after going
back to I think Armageddon wasthe one that probably had the

(01:30:42):
most consistently good rings ina titantron setup Like
Armageddon 2003, rings and liketitantron set up stages.
Yeah, like armageddon 2003,which was the one that I was at,
where it was like they had thewhole set up and they had.
That was when they first hadlike the, the steep they had,
like the steel art piece of theegg and it was lit on fire yeah,

(01:31:07):
yeah, I was at that one wait.

Speaker 1 (01:31:08):
That was did we go to that one Wait?
That was Did we go to that onetogether?

Speaker 2 (01:31:13):
I don't think we went together.
We had different seats, becauseif you went, we did not go
together.
I know I went with my mom, butwe both probably may have went,
Because I know I distinctlyremember that main event being
Goldberg, Kane and Triple H thatwas the main event.

Speaker 1 (01:31:32):
Also, man shout outs to my mom bro, she like she, I
mean she knew wrestling, butlike she took her kid to these
wrestling events where thetickets were crazy.
You know what I'm saying Forour finances at that time and to
still take me to that event andnot give a fuck about what's
going on.

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
But like I'm here for him that would be your mom, bro
, goddamn, I think I went withmy.
It was me, my brother, mysister, your mom, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:31:59):
She didn't go.
Well, I'm saying they werewrestling fans enough that they
can justify in their brainbuying a ticket.
But my mom, yeah, but my momthat bit yes, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:15):
But I went with my brother Like my first couple of
wrestling shows I ever went to.
It was my brother would alwaysdo, so it was like I went to
like one of my first draws Iwent to was right after was
right after the pay-per-view,where I think Austin like
dropped Triple H in the car fromoff of the little, the little

(01:32:38):
thing.

Speaker 1 (01:32:38):
Oh my god, oh my god, that was Survivor Series yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:43):
Yeah, sounds about right.
Yeah, survivor Series, and sowhich, even more specific, that
was the Raw episode when, uh,undertaker chokeslam kurt angle
off off the stage.

Speaker 1 (01:32:56):
Hold on one second.
Didn't triple h come back?
That next episode of raw afterafter being flipped over in a
car?

Speaker 2 (01:33:03):
no, I couldn't remember if he did no, he didn't
, as a matter of fact, like the.
At that time, kane and chrisjericho was feuding, and I think
the, the and and the rock andsomebody else was feuding, and,
like the one of the, I think,like the one of them, I think it
was the main.
The main event match was therock and chris jericho teaming

(01:33:24):
up to go against kane andwhoever the other person was
that the Rock was feuding with,and I remember being mad because
Kane fucking lost, but nah.
But the best part, though, wasUndertaker chokeslamming Kurt
Angle off the goddamn title.
But, yeah, going back into theArmageddon ones, because when I

(01:33:48):
wrote down which Armageddon onesI liked literally from 1999,
when it was like the war zonelooking one all the way down to
2006, where it was like itlooked like it was like a bunch
of crumpled up buildings thatwere standing there and

(01:34:08):
everything Like that one wasgreat.
But then, like they, I will sayArmageddon is one where they
got real lazy and they wouldactually like repeat the same
one a couple of times, and soit's like the one with the
crumpled up buildings.
They did that 2006, 2007, and2008.

(01:34:35):
They just made the stage alittle bit bigger.
A little bit bigger, a littlebit bigger, but after 2008,.
Led screens, and then I thinkthey actually stopped doing the
paper jar, if I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 1 (01:34:49):
I believe so, yeah, but it was around that 2008.
Which is a name?
That's only then, I think theyactually stopped doing the
pay-per-view arm again, if I'mnot mistaken.
I believe so, yeah, but likebut it was around that 2008.

Speaker 2 (01:34:54):
Which is a name?

Speaker 1 (01:34:54):
that's only fitting for certain matches, really
Agreed.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
No, but like literally 2008, almost across
the board.
When I looked at all of mythings, that was like the last
time pay-per-views looked reallygood, like when my SummerSlam
the last one that I put downhere that I liked was like was
2007 was when they had like allthe surfboards set up there and

(01:35:22):
everything, and I do believethat was the one that they used
to advertise with Tori Wilsonand Brock Lesnar, f5 and a
goddamn shark and all this otherstuff.
That was a fantastic lookingsummer slam.
Uh, titan tron, and then theydid the whole movie theater one

(01:35:43):
yeah, that was a royal, wasn'tthat royal rumble?
no, 2000, not now.
They did do that for royalrumble.
Yeah, the whole movie theaterthing.
But they also did like a wholemovie theater one because it was
the biggest summer blockbuster,like that was like their whole
little uh shtick that they wasgoing with at that time and that
was like the last.

(01:36:04):
To me that was like one of thelast best summer slams before we
went full LED.

Speaker 1 (01:36:12):
Bro, I mean eyes roll back.
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:36:15):
Bro LEDs killed the stage situation.
Bro Killed it In the worst way.

Speaker 1 (01:36:24):
I think we're starting to have where Raw is
the sign on Netflix and they canat least come out of the screen
like come out of the letters.
I could have sworn.

Speaker 2 (01:36:33):
I saw that recently no, I'm not sure what you mean.

Speaker 1 (01:36:39):
I'm out you know how they'll spell the word raw and
at one point they would come outfrom the A like they'll walk
out from the side of the A oh,but I mean, that's still just
straight LED screen, though.

Speaker 2 (01:36:52):
is the situation though?

Speaker 1 (01:36:54):
No, that wasn't that.

Speaker 2 (01:36:57):
No, that wasn't a bit , that was a big screen TV.

Speaker 1 (01:37:03):
Well then, deception, but I see exactly what you're
saying.
I feel like I'm a little biased.
While this is not a stage, Idid like the aesthetic of it
right, and I'm only saying thiscause I had to think back to
this promotion.
These niggas never had a.

(01:37:24):
These niggas never had a stage.
Every match, every pay per viewwas the same shit and that shit
was compelling enough to stillkeep watching.
Lucha Underground right hasnever had a stage.
Every match, every pay-per-viewwas the same shit and that shit
was compelling enough to stillkeep watching Lucha Underground
right.
They had no fucking stage atall, but something about coming
from the side curtain and goingdown these flight of steps I

(01:37:46):
don't know Something about thatwas very tribal and it made it
obviously because they talkabout the Aztecs and stuff in
there.
It felt very tribal and I likethat aesthetic.
Granted, it's not a stage, Ijust wanted to put that as an
honorable mention.
I like that aesthetic.

Speaker 2 (01:38:07):
Well, I mean, you're a simple person, so it makes
sense as a person who also likesECW.
They didn't have anythingspecial.
Oh, I'm not saying shit about.

Speaker 1 (01:38:16):
I'm not saying shit about ECW's stage.
I'm not gonna say like yo,their stage was great.
They had no fucking stage.
The only thing they had was theECW brick shit and like, yeah,
that's nostalgic, but I'm notgonna say that was the best
stage or a great stage, or if Iliked his aesthetic.
I think again, I'm a little bitbiased when it comes to Lucho,

(01:38:37):
but I just I saying I like thataesthetic of the tribal aspect,
while I am this a very simpleman, because I do, while I do
not.
You know the equivalent of boomrap.
You know boom equivalent ofboom rap.
You know boom rap, backpack rapOkay, like your boom rap, like

(01:38:59):
your Joey Badasses, your fuckingWest Side Guns.
You know not very popularrapper.
You're Kendrick Lamar, if you.
You know the rapping capability.
Like the rappity rap, yeah, no,you know the rapping capability
.
Like the rappity-rapping, yeah,no, I know what you're talking
about.
So internet wrestling isboom-bap rap, while consuming

(01:39:21):
things like WWE is kind of likeagain the mainstream product
right, again the mainstreamproduct right.
For me as a wrestling fan Ihave consumed so much media
outside of WWE I'm almost theequivalent of a boom bap rapper.

(01:39:46):
While I am a WWE loyalist,there are times where I will
kind of go undercover and put onmy hat and be like, yeah, I'm
actually one of youmotherfuckers too, but at the
same time sometimes y'allmotherfuckers be crazy.
But I do like watching thisshit.
And, yes, there are going to bemoments where I'm a very simple
man because, yes, I just enjoywrestling.
Even if you show me the dumbestshit, like I don't know mystery

(01:40:09):
guana, I'm going to still enjoythe wrestling no, no, no, it
checks.

Speaker 2 (01:40:16):
I mean cause, once again, you're the.
You are the local, uh, bloodand guts wrestler who loves
watching like, and it's likewhere, through the eyes of
watching AEW I ain't gonna lieto you, bro, like them old heads

(01:40:36):
kind of right, and AEW is kindof proving it right, like this
deathmatch, bullshit's kind ofkilling wrestling right now.

Speaker 1 (01:40:44):
I mean with the way they're doing it.
Yeah, that's why, likeliterally, I used to do it to
you.

Speaker 2 (01:40:49):
So the problem is, it's not even the way that
they're doing it.
Yeah, that's why, like,literally, I just agree with you
.
So the problem is, it's noteven the way that they're doing
it.
It's just like it's one ofthose things where I feel it's
like they're trying to do thething where they're taking
country music and rap andthey're trying to put it
together.
Yeah, what they're doing, andAEW with Deathmatch Wrestling.
It's what they're doing at AEWwith Deathmatch Wrestling.

(01:41:09):
But the problem is they don'thave a super great country
singer and they have somewhack-ass rapper that they're
trying to collaborate on thetrack and it's like no, it's
probably better if you keepDeathmatch Wrestling all the
fuck way over there, way overthat way.
Keep it over there, way overthat way.

(01:41:30):
Keep it over there Respectfullyand just focus on doing regular
wrestling, because you'rebotching it up.
Because I don't think, I reallydon't think Deathmatch
wrestling, that super hardcorestyle of wrestling In your
stereotypical what mostAmericans are used to Type of

(01:41:51):
wrestling, and yourstereotypical, what most
Americans are used to type ofwrestling can flow into each
other where it makes fuckingsense.

Speaker 1 (01:42:01):
For a mainstream product.

Speaker 2 (01:42:02):
No, not just for a mainstream, just period, like it
doesn't make sense, periodBecause, like storylines, all
this other stuff, and there's inthe way that wrestling has been
presented, in the way thatdeath match wrestling is so
different Cause death cause.

(01:42:23):
It's like why have death matchwrestling when you have the
greatest wrestlers in the worldon your, on your product?

Speaker 1 (01:42:33):
Okay, I see what you're saying, now why?

Speaker 2 (01:42:36):
have deathmatch wrestling when you have a Will
Ospreay who can wow the crowdwithout touching one weapon,
deathmatch wrestlers, deathmatch.
They don't have to do thewrestling.
The wrestling is not what makesa death match wrestler special

(01:42:58):
or interesting or cool.
It's what they do with thesedeadly weapons and what they do
as far as a death match, there'sonly so many death match moves.
There's only so many wrestlingmoves that people in a death
match wrestling match need toknow how to do, because you put

(01:43:19):
people through tables, chairs,light bulbs, lava lamps.
You put, you do those things tothose people with those
particular moves.
You don't have to be the bestwrestler in the world to do any
of that.
You don't even really know orneed to know how to do wrestling
to be a death match wrestlerfor all intents and purposes.

(01:43:40):
It helps if you know how towrestle, because that keeps some
of the wrestling integrity.
But then, but when you havepeople like swerve and and
moxley Because he can wrestlewhen he wants to Type situation
when you got this high Caliberof wrestling Wrestlers, why

(01:44:04):
waste that talent Trying to Dropthumbtacks Down their pants and
literally trying to put ascrewdriver through kneecaps?
It does not mix, you're right.
And if you're going to do it,because the other problem is is

(01:44:27):
the fact that in Americawrestling since the dawn of at
least the 70s maybe going intothe 60s as well, going all the
way back to the territory dayswrestling has always been about

(01:44:48):
moments and storytelling.
Okay, about moments andstorytelling.
Okay, you can tell stories, I'msure, in death match wrestling,
but you have to tell thosestories Consistently with the
death match wrestling.
When you're trying to tellthese regular stories that has

(01:45:12):
been Of the usual Deathatchwrestling does not.
It's like you're mixing twothings that can't mix because
the story doesn't make sense.

Speaker 1 (01:45:25):
I'm going to.
I'm going to give you somethingI want to see if it actually
may help with your thoughtprocess on this.
So let's say you enjoy cartoons, right.
You enjoy anime, you enjoymultiple forms of animation.
Right, there is some animationthat is absolute brain rot.

(01:45:48):
It's like there's no purpose,it's goofy, it's stupid, but for
some reason I like consuming it, right, say, robot chicken,
anything, adult swim brain rotmaterial like that's fucking
stupid.
I should like this, but it'ssomething about it that I like
about it.
Right, that is the equivalent ofwatching wrestling and

(01:46:11):
deathmatch wrestling isdeathmatch, wrestling is brain
rot because, yeah, a lot of thisshit doesn't make any fucking
sense.
But it's brain rot materialthat every once in a while we as
consumers like do again thinkof the cartoons that you enjoy,
the anime you enjoy that havegreat stories, great
storytelling, storytelling.
But you also like FLCL and thatis a complete dumpster fire of

(01:46:36):
a concept story, but it's agreat anime, but it's a concept
story you can enjoy, you can getwith and like, ah, she's kind
of goofy, but yeah, I'm here forit.
That is to me, I think, a way Ican explain as the differences
between the two and why someconsuming and find it fun and

(01:46:56):
why some consume and see it andbe like.
That's fucking stupid.
I more so think that a deathmatch wrestling is valid maybe
once or twice, but doing itevery other month or every other
week, that is stupid, like thedog collar match between Max and

(01:47:17):
CM Punk While that's not adeath match, but it's on the
equivalent of some of the crazyshit that they did.
Does that make sense?

Speaker 2 (01:47:27):
So that all makes sense.
And what I'm saying is when I'mwatching my Game of Thrones and
then, in the middle of anepisode of Game of Thrones, they
start doing some fully coolyshit.
That's the problem that I'msaying is how, and that's with

(01:47:50):
AEW.
Aew is how to think and that'swith AEW.
Aew is trying to and maybe it'sjust because AEW hasn't figured
it out yet, or whatever itmight be Because it's like
they're doing the thing where.
It's like they're like yo, we'retrying to present ourselves to
be looking like this Alright,cool, I'm trying to get behind

(01:48:14):
that.
I'm trying to present ourselvesto be looking like this Okay,
all right, cool, I'm trying toget behind that.
I'm trying to believe yourstory, I'm trying to believe
what you have.
But then they're putting theseelements into the story.
That is like why is that here?
That's not what you guys are,or is it?
That's not what you guys are,or is it.
And then when they do it,they'll do it and be like oh,

(01:48:38):
okay, so this is what you guysare going to be.
Oh, no, no, no, no, we're notthat.
And then they go back to thisover here.

Speaker 1 (01:48:47):
They flip-flop a lot.
They want to be the home ofprofessional wrestling, but then
they do death matches all thedamn time.

Speaker 2 (01:48:54):
Correct, but it's like because, once again, death
match wrestling is presented andconsumed in a very different
way than wrestling entertainment.
In all actuality and we've seenit, the hardcore matches that
we've seen in wwe when thatmatch happens, when you see that

(01:49:19):
person again, they're fucked up, they're limping, they are beat
.
The dog shit.
They're not having a matchtonight.
They just went through hell.
They just bled like a stuffedpig.
They just had thumbtack.
They just got done picking allthese thumbtacks out of their
body.
They're hurting, okay, that's,that is what the standard

(01:49:42):
wrestling is deathmatchwrestling.
You know, man, we piece orcutted your face off, we almost
cut off your nuts, we broke yourfingers and tied them in a knot
and then you come back the nextnight like it never happened.
That's deathmatch wrestling.
This goes into the biggestthing.

(01:50:03):
That's how it's been presented,and so it's like, if that's how
that is presented, when you'retrying to bring the sports
entertainment wrestling and thendeath match wrestling and put
it here, it doesn't make sensebecause it doesn't work it's
this the selling aspect for youis the fact that they do not
sell the after effects ofsomething like a death match

(01:50:28):
correct the selling which is thebiggest and the most important
almost probably the number onemost important thing about
wrestling it's the selling.
If you can't sell it to me, I'mnot buying is putting

(01:50:51):
themselves in this bind where,because they're trying to cater
to this to the sickos, as theysay with this death match
wrestling they're losing thesell and because they're not
selling, nobody's buying.
That's why when they had thatdeath match and they did all

(01:51:12):
that stuff and then hangman cameout there, which his first
mistake was trying to sell,because he came out there trying
to sell like he was in a deathmatch, just for him and john
moxley to have a match and notsell anything at all.

Speaker 1 (01:51:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:51:33):
Jon Moxley came out there, didn't sell anything at
all and he was the loser.
He did get hanged.
Freaking Our new TBS champion,kyle Fletcher.
He came out there, had hislittle death match.
Yeah, he was walking around andstrutting like his balls were

(01:51:56):
inert.

Speaker 1 (01:51:58):
The balls are inert.

Speaker 2 (01:52:04):
So I can't get down with it.
It's not so much I can't getdown with death match wrestling,
because it's not death matchwrestling, that's the problem.

Speaker 1 (01:52:13):
It's the selling.
That's what I'm saying, so I doapologize.
The way you kind of came intothe statement it was if you
don't like watching deathmatchwrestling, like you felt like
deathmatch wrestling is killingit, when in all reality it's not
the deathmatch wrestling, it'sthe selling.
The selling is the thing thatis killing it, because, yeah, we

(01:52:33):
can have a death match, but ifyou don't sell the ability, yeah
, and it's not only that andit's not only that, because it's
like you also.

Speaker 2 (01:52:43):
There's also a different mindset of when you're
watching death matches.
Yeah, then there is when you'rewatching your regular wrestling
entertainment.
You know what I'm saying, justlike how you're saying.
You know we have our shows thatwe watch, where we're super
into, and then we have our brainrot.
Okay, when I'm watching brainrot, I know I'm watching dumb

(01:53:04):
shit and I'm going to enjoy itas it is because I know that's
what it is.
So, when it comes to deathmatchwrestling, granted, I really
don't care for it, becausethere's still that aspect of the
whole thing of like the sellingis off for me.

(01:53:24):
When it comes to death matchwrestling, sure, I love watching
a person get themselves damnnear arm sawed off next to the
next guy and light bulbs andexplosions and bob wire and
stuff like that.
That's cool.
But of course, because there'sso much of that that's happening
, it's like I have to I, becauseI know what I'm watching the

(01:53:49):
realistic aspect of everythingis tossed out of the window,
going into a death match.
So I I know that this is thethat the selling that I'm seeing
is the way it has to be,because obviously you know
they're it's death.
You know what I'm saying?
That's just what it is, aswhere, when I'm watching

(01:54:11):
something like aew, or how it'spresented, it's like, well, damn
, because it.
Because when you have regularmatches, it makes me.
When you have regular matchesafter a death match, it does not
make me believe the fact thatanything that this man is going
to do to you is going to make adifference, because the last

(01:54:33):
time you two fought, the onlyway something made a difference
was after you literally stabbedhim in the forehead with a fork
ten times and dropped him on abed of nails.
You know what I'm saying?
Where deathmatch wrestling isevery time they're fighting in
that ring it's a bunch offoolish, crazy, wild,

(01:54:55):
death-defying, lovely bullshit.
And because they do that everynight or whenever it comes on,
but because it's happening everysingle time, I get it.
If I had to sit here and watchNick Gage and insert deathmatch

(01:55:19):
Nick Gage and Jon Moxley, thatmatch would last for an hour and
30 minutes.
If they're not using weaponsbecause their bodies are so
hardened by deathmatch wrestlingat least that's what I would
have to believe, because, no, anormal punch isn't going to do

(01:55:41):
nothing to a man who's beingstabbed in the forehead with a
fork, been raped across the facewith a pizza cutter.
Come on, don't play with methat way.

Speaker 1 (01:55:53):
So so so saying basically, because they don't
sell the effects of things ofthat nature, like, yeah, putting
in a situation, like you justsaid, john moxley, a normal move
of some sort, should be like,well, moxley's dealt with worse,
like why would that affect him?
Why would that matter?
It's, it's now you're trying totell me.

(01:56:14):
In this world of what's goingon here, there are these moments
where there's this outrageousshit that happens to a person
that for a normal human being ornormal situation, that person
should be either fucked up or soshowcase some effects of it,
and they basically said yeah,but then they push pause and
then hit respond and theireffects are all gone.

(01:56:34):
And they're said yeah, but thenthey push pause and then hit
respawn and their effects areall gone and they're back at it
the next second.
You're like wait, wait, wait,wait, whoa.
You're trying to tell me thisstory.
No, I'm not.
I'm not buying that, becausethat's basically like playing
god mode in a video game thatagain, like hunter says not,
hunter says um, undertaker saysit's video game.
Shit.
You play a match, even thoughyou just had a hell in a cell
and I fucking dropped you offyour neck and you fell on a bed

(01:56:58):
of tables.
When that match ends, I canreplay that shit again, yeah
that's what it is and that's theproblem with AEW.

Speaker 2 (01:57:10):
I'll never say there's a problem with death
match wrestling, that's.

Speaker 1 (01:57:17):
The way you came into it.
It sounded like it was.

Speaker 2 (01:57:20):
Oh yeah.
That's fair, because I would sayits existence does hurt that
and I can't.
Some people would say there's apart of me that almost feels
that way.
But then I also have to realizedeathmatch wrestling stays in
this pocket over here and so itis its own universe of wrestling

(01:57:45):
, not comparable to the regularuniverse of wrestling.
And so because of that, deathin my mind maybe as a one-off.
But if you're going to do aone-off because it doesn't
happen all the time or at leastit shouldn't happen all the time
it's got to mean something.

(01:58:06):
And in AEW deathmatch wrestlingdoes not mean anything.

Speaker 1 (01:58:13):
Or at least they don't make it seem like it does.
Yeah, there have been somematches where it did like I will
say the swerve and like.
This is why we always say and Idon't know if you agree with
this, but this is why I sayswerve and hangman is their
greatest storyline in AEW rightnow, because the matches that we
have seen were fuckingjustified and, yes, they did

(01:58:36):
sell.
What happened afterwards,especially hangman hangman went
from the goody two shoes, babyface to complete madness.
Okay for that opportunity toget his get back on swerve.
And when he finally did it andhe you know, he's on the stage
and he just gives out thatstreak of a laugh Like finally,
I did it, finally, and I cancare if I just landed on all

(01:58:59):
that shit, I'm letting out thisroar and I'm fainting, and he
faints like he does it and hejust collapsed for a second and
he gets back up finally and thenhe sells and walks off to the
ring.
So it's like justifiable stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:59:15):
Or maybe did you feel that way when it came to that
feud yes, they did present thatin a way where it made sense and
and their follow-up was onpoint with that, and that's
unfortunately, that is theminority, yes, yes, of how they

(01:59:36):
do it and how it's been done,because, granted that, they did
do that.
On the flip side, will Ospreayand Kyle Fletcher had a cage
match.

Speaker 1 (01:59:50):
Oh God.

Speaker 2 (01:59:51):
Where they.

Speaker 1 (01:59:51):
I don't want that one , but you see where I'm going
with.
But that was your Billy goat,though, and that was absolute
fucking video game.
Shit, spam.
Far off the fucking cell.
Mouth off the trust.

Speaker 2 (02:00:06):
Listen the Billy goat is not immune to this
foolishness, Just want to makesure.

Speaker 1 (02:00:14):
Oh, listen bro.

Speaker 2 (02:00:16):
Listen, I don't know why you feel as if that like, if
there's someone who I like whenthey do foul stupid shit, I'm
not going to call them out.

Speaker 1 (02:00:27):
Charlotte, nigga Charlotte.

Speaker 2 (02:00:29):
Charlotte hasn't done anything wrong?

Speaker 1 (02:00:32):
Oh my god, alright, we're not about to go back into
that.
I hasn't done anything wrong.
Oh my God, alright, we're notabout to go back into that.
I don't know why you keepfaking Because you do it for
Charlotte, because you do it forCharlotte.

Speaker 2 (02:00:43):
What has she done wrong, bro?
What has she?

Speaker 1 (02:00:45):
done wrong.
Royal Rumble nigga.

Speaker 2 (02:00:49):
How is that her fault , that she's just better than
everybody else?
Bro, I don't't understand.
I don't understand why you areso into this fact of that.
She's wrong because she's good,it's because she didn't need it
.

Speaker 1 (02:01:05):
You telling me.
You telling me, she needed thatroyal rumble win.
You telling me that right now,you, she deserves, she needed
that right there who else?

Speaker 2 (02:01:15):
why, why, why not her ?
Why not?
That's the better question whynot?

Speaker 1 (02:01:20):
because we have other people like as if you okay,
remember how I was making mystatement about becky lynch and
whatever?
And it says, okay, well, we'resupposed to push like valkyria.
There are other people they'resupposed to be pushing, but then
they just push char Charlotteback into the front.
They've done it so many timesbut it's like, but who's
supposed to be better than her?
If you're going with that logicin every situation, then how do

(02:01:43):
you build other people?

Speaker 2 (02:01:46):
I don't know, I don't .
Should ask Mercedes Monet aboutthat one, bro.

Speaker 1 (02:01:50):
Okay, we're not saying that she's fucking
justifiable.
I don't like her either, but mypoint is I agree with you on
the but the other thing betweenMercedes Monet and Charlotte
Flair is the fact that CharlotteFlair is believable.

Speaker 2 (02:02:06):
That's the major difference.

Speaker 1 (02:02:08):
I mean, how about this Monet was believable too
until she started doingridiculous stuff, because I mean
we all, this Monet wasbelievable too until she started
doing ridiculous stuff, becauseI mean we both agree Sasha
Banks is better than Monet andSasha Banks did a lot of things
that were believable.

Speaker 2 (02:02:23):
Yes, Sasha Banks did a lot of things that were
believable.
Mercedes Monet hasn't doneanything to make me believe she
did.

Speaker 1 (02:02:30):
Well, I'm just saying so you're saying okay with her
having that finisher, this newfinisher, like the first time
she even performed it on KyrieSingh.
Yeah, that was a fumble, yeah,um, yeah.
So you're right.
Yeah, I'll give you that one.
But I think here's the thing,the emotion that we knew her at
Charlotte it's not evenCharlotte, we knew her at Sasha

(02:02:52):
Banks and we're like, oh, we'rebeing presented at Monet.
Oh man, sasha Banks is going tobe good.
She fumbled that.

Speaker 2 (02:03:01):
That's exactly.

Speaker 1 (02:03:01):
Okay, baby, that's Ross, that's Ross, that's Ross.
And then she does it again.
It's like okay, wait, wait,sasha.
I mean Monet, what are youdoing?
Um you the boss, why I'mliterally having that same
moment, my queen, please, oh man, um any final thoughts?

Speaker 2 (02:03:30):
um LED screens killed titantrons.
Yes, just like deathmatch,wrestling is killing AEW right
now.

Speaker 1 (02:03:37):
It's, it's the worst you doing the game, so it works,
doing it well, okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, okay.
I see what you're saying now.

Speaker 2 (02:03:43):
Okay, you're saying deathmatch deathmatch because of
the cell?

Speaker 1 (02:03:45):
yes but I still think it's still selling in general
because they they don't justonly do it in deathmatch
wrestling, sometimes doing itregular matches too.
Oh, absolutely, I mean thatpart is general, because they
don't just only do it indeathmatch wrestling.
They sometimes do it in regularmatches too.

Speaker 2 (02:03:55):
Oh, absolutely, I mean that part is true.
But when you do things likethese texts, like the Texas
deathmatch and all this, whenyou do those things and you
don't treat them like they'respecial, that's when the
problems come, because now youhave to up the ante so high that

(02:04:16):
until someone's pulling a gunout and pistol whipping somebody
in the middle of the ring, atthat point no one's believing
anything anymore.
Yeah, I know, but it is what itis.

Speaker 1 (02:04:31):
No, I'm just thinking about other stuff, Like you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (02:04:34):
Someone pulling out a gun and pistol-whipping
somebody.

Speaker 1 (02:04:37):
Yeah, like actually seeing that happen and then the
gun go off or something likethat.
Or like yo man fuck this shitand shoots him in the leg Like
yo, just something wild, likeupping the ante, you know what.

Speaker 2 (02:04:49):
I'm saying yes, aew is putting themselves into that
caliber, where that's all thatcan happen.

Speaker 1 (02:04:57):
Because we have somebody stab somebody in the
leg with a fucking screwdriver.
What's next?

Speaker 2 (02:05:02):
Literally shanking a man I don't know, aew, and
you're all that we have rightnow that can quote unquote.
Make WWE do something betterthan having these absolute
shitty ass SmackDown shows.

Speaker 1 (02:05:18):
Can't even say TNA because they're partners.

Speaker 2 (02:05:20):
But yeah, yeah, no, yeah, exactly TNA.
They're drinking the Kool-Aidrespectfully because it's making
them better, but with.
What I'm saying is that they'rein bed with WWE.
So it's like if TNA becomesbetter than AEW, then AEW is a

(02:05:41):
lost cause.
Wwe wins.

Speaker 1 (02:05:44):
Fatality, wasn't it Airbischoff?
I think he made a comment thatArabischoff said that before I
talked about it last podcast.

Speaker 2 (02:05:58):
TNA keeps it up, they're going to be the number
two in the country.
Wait till they get that TV deal.

Speaker 1 (02:06:05):
Yeah, they can pop the fuck off.
Boy, oh boy, I can't wait.

Speaker 2 (02:06:11):
And maybe I can start paying attention to their
titantrons, because, though, Ididn't mention any oh SmackDown
titantrons SmackDown titantrons.

Speaker 1 (02:06:21):
Sorry, I never got a chance to pop off with that.
Smackdown titantrons werealways lit.

Speaker 2 (02:06:26):
Yes, and the TNA coming to the tones.
Yes, tna was always hit.
It's funny because AEW took theTones.
Yes, tna always hit.
It's funny because AEW took theTNA actually Good tunnel, bad
tunnel or I do believe, evenolder TNA where they had good

(02:06:46):
tunnel on this side and badtunnel on that.

Speaker 1 (02:06:49):
Yeah, that's because we had no choice, but we had to
see them because this was theformat.

Speaker 2 (02:06:56):
So but yeah, but this does make me want to have to
like actually, because, like Ithink I'm sleeping on some wcw
pay-per-views so I gotta watchthe one with goldberg won the
belt against diamond dollar pay.

Speaker 1 (02:07:12):
You know I'm saying that Halloween Havoc that one
was fire Halloween, havocStarrcade.

Speaker 2 (02:07:20):
Um, because I peeped some of their Great American
Bash ones and I'm like, ooh,those ones were a lot better
than the ones that we saw in, uh, in WWE, but you know
factamundo.

Speaker 1 (02:07:35):
But um, if I I'm gonna end off with my favorite
stage of all time because I knowI didn't really do a top 10,
but just one of my favorites wasthe OG Smackdown circle that I
always will love that titantronthat.
I fucking love that.
But again, that's nostalgic forme because I I love the circles

(02:07:58):
and then the side titantron, itwas something about that.
Yeah, I used to have that toy,I mean.
That's why I said it's verynostalgic for me but at the same
time I used to.
I used to love it, becausewhenever you know how wrestlers
would have that moment of likesomething's happening backstage
to them, like, say, if you know,a stone cold used to run over

(02:08:19):
somebody's car, and while, yeah,oftentimes would be like oh,
I'm in the ring saying this, butlike if they were on stage
seeing it, it's like over here,like it's a TV screen, like holy
shit, I'm watching this on TVtoo, over here, like it's a TV
screen, like holy shit, I'mwatching this on TV too, weird
thing.
But it was just like I don'tknow why.
I liked it when it pulled tothe side to see what's going on
and the audience could see ittoo.

(02:08:39):
It's like we're all watching ittogether.
But yeah, I used to like that.
And then seeing when Stone Coldreturned.

Speaker 2 (02:08:46):
I've never been to one of those Smackdowns.
I've only been to, I've onlybeen to the fifth Smackdown.

Speaker 1 (02:08:54):
I remember one Smackdown I went to and I had
this kid I used to hang out with.
He was very Jamaican, very,very Jamaican, and he was a bad
little boy, as we used to sayback in the day.
He was a bad little boy, so badthat he almost got us kicked
out twice at the fucking event.
How, just for being a fucking,a fucking rascal got us kicked

(02:09:14):
out twice at the fucking event.
How, just for being a fucking,a fucking rascal, he'll he'll
get on the guardrail and thenjust do Stone Cold's pose and
then security be like yo, getthe fuck down because he's a kid
.
So he's like nah, man, I'mgonna keep doing it.
And he's like yo, keep doing it, I'm like yo, if he gets us
kicked, the fuck out, my nigga,yo I'm.
I'm not gonna like this dude nomore.
I only went to two shows withhim and then I never hung out

(02:09:36):
with him again yikes like it wasthat bad.
the first time it was a raw andI was like, okay, he's kind of
cool, but this nigga kind ofwild bro, like a little too wild
.
And then that smackdown whereit happened, I think stone cold
came back from something and atthe end of the show it's Austin,
he's drinking it as we'retrying to leave, like luckily
he's doing it as we're leaving.

(02:09:57):
But security was like yo, youguys got to go.
And I was like man, what if hekeeps doing this shit and one
day gets me kicked the fuck out?
Because if he gets kicked outI'm going to be like I don't
know that, nigga, I don't knowthat nigga, know that nigga, I

(02:10:18):
don't know that shit.
I'm watching the show, nofucking way.

Speaker 2 (02:10:20):
but yeah, no um I love that stage I miss td
waterhouse rip.

Speaker 1 (02:10:23):
God man, td waterhouse man.
Anyway, guys, to my shows, hellyeah, anyway, guys, one of the
biggest things that we kind oftalked about today is the
selling, the thing that gets ushype, and it could be the
wrestling, it could be a lot ofthings, but it always starts
with a promo.

(02:10:45):
Man, I'm going to meet you atthis location, even though I'm
backstage with you, but legallyI can't fight you until we have
a contract signed and I meet youat this location, right, and
because of that, we as humans,we will pay money to go watch
these two motherfuckers fight,because they talk mad shit about

(02:11:06):
each other beforehand.
And as we all enjoy is twomotherfuckers talking shit and
one of them throwing hands orboth of them throwing hands.
But the art of wrestling, oneof the biggest arts of wrestling
, is how to cut a promo, how tosell to the audience why you
need to watch this.
And so tomorrow well, nextepisode we're going to go over

(02:11:29):
some of our favorite promos ofall time.
I don't want to make you doyearly.
I mean, I don't know, that's upto you If you feel like you
want to do year or just all time, because you're kind of on that
current pay-per-view of theyear situation.
I don't know if you always dothat or not.

Speaker 2 (02:11:48):
I mean, I don't normally when it comes to, like,
identifying a promo.
I don't normally when it comesto identifying a promo.
I don't normally.
I just know, specifically rightnow, nobody's promo has come
close to touching Hangman.

(02:12:10):
Adam Page and Ospreay goinginto their match for the Owen
Hart, for the Owen Harttournament, like because
watching that shit and WillOspreay saying like, listen, I
have to win, and he's rattlingoff all his reasons why and

(02:12:31):
stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (02:12:32):
It's the equivalent of Austin saying that to the
Rock.

Speaker 2 (02:12:37):
About what Having to win versus needing to win.

Speaker 1 (02:12:40):
Yeah, remember when Austin says, Rock, I need to
beat you, I need more thananything I need in my life, like
that WrestleMania 7 team matchwhere it's JR and the Rock says
the Rock is going to give youevery ounce of sweat, every
blood, like you know, the thatwhole thing.

Speaker 2 (02:12:57):
I remember that was one of the things that really
compelled us was that promosegment between those two uh,
yes, it was very much that andbut it's weird, where I could
feel Stone Cold's need, where Ican feel that Stone Cold was

(02:13:19):
like I felt his need for thatwin with Hangman, like I felt
his like his need, there was ahint of desperation in his need

(02:13:41):
as, whereas like Stone Cold'sall like man, I freaking need to
beat you, eggman was like Ineed to beat you and it's
because of that bit I was like,oh, oh, I'm fucking sold on that
.
That shit hit hard becausethere was the desperation in his

(02:14:08):
voice and in his face on howbadly he needed this to happen
and go his way.

Speaker 1 (02:14:16):
And so it was like that.

Speaker 2 (02:14:17):
And then with Osprey, there was, like you can hear
the desperation to a certaindegree, but it was instead of
desperation.
It was a very strongdetermination instead of
desperation.
It was a very strongdetermination.
And so in that particular case,stone coasty vodson, his need

(02:14:38):
was a strong determination ofneeding to beat the rock.

Speaker 1 (02:14:44):
It wasn't where, where?

Speaker 2 (02:14:46):
because neither one of them was desperate for that
match.
It's just that Stone Cold hehad His need was Was more of
that as opposed to where.
With these two guys there was asmall hint of desperation On
both sides, but Ospreay His wasNot so much the desperate, but

(02:15:13):
more so that, like I gotta getthat done, cause like cause.
If I cause once I can get thatdone, then I can get back to
doing what I know I can do.
Where hangman, he's out herelike nigga, I ain't got shit
left for myself right now and ifI don't win this I'm my hangman
out of page.
Like he's like one of thoseleft for myself right now and if

(02:15:33):
I don't win this I'm my hangmanout of page.
He's one of those typesituations.
That's how hard he needed it tohappen for himself.
That was crazy.
I mean, listen, it's not likehangman out of page.
Hasn't been hungman by fuckingSwerve?

Speaker 1 (02:15:50):
No, I mean, you're right, I know, that was crazy.

Speaker 2 (02:15:54):
But yeah, yeah, no, I'm definitely gotta look back
on some of these promos, becausethere's a couple of them that
I'm just seeing in my eyes rightnow, but I don't remember what
they said, so I have to lookback, okay.

Speaker 1 (02:16:10):
Well, as always, one of the biggest things we say
when it comes to this show dude,we try to give you the
unfiltered side of us, we try togive the best side of us and we
always say the ring is sacred,questions are real, but

(02:16:30):
destruction that is guaranteed.

Speaker 2 (02:16:34):
So until next time, it's the Masako it's your boy,
swax, which in the buildingthank you again for tuning in.

Speaker 1 (02:16:47):
We'll see you next week.
Please go ahead and chokeslamthat like button as well as hit
subscribe and we out Pedal.

Speaker 2 (02:16:58):
Mero, goddamn, right.

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