Episode 34 - Recapping the World Series, Reflecting the Blue Jays Season, and a Heavy Trade Rumor

The Blue Jays had one of the best seasons in Blue Jays history. We recapped the World Series and breaking down the series on what went down, reflecting the 2025 season and it's success and how it went well and what changed, breaking down the Mark Shapiro/Ross Atkins press conference, Mattingly's tenure as a bench coach, a heavy trade rumor what we were told, and many more!

Episode Transcript

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Welcome to another edition of the Blue Jays Ave. podcast.
This is the end of the season episode and there's so much to
dive into. And unfortunately, the outcome
of the World Series went the other way.
But I, I mean, it was a hell of a ride for the for the Blue
Jays. And Rob talk about the World
Series. What were your thoughts?
How devastated were you? And to wrap it up, like how much

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of A run they made, like how historic of a run did the Jays
made this year, especially in the postseason?
First of all, it sucked. I mean, I mean, the run was
great, don't get me wrong, but Imean, man, I'll I'll describe it
for you, man. I went out, sat in my living

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room. I had my flag, my my Blue Jays
flag out there and there were two outs left in the game, Man,
I was ready to rock, man, I was ready to party.
I was ready to fucking let loose.
And what happens? Fucking gives up a home run to
freaking Rojas, man. I mean, you let a guy like that

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beat you and it just it broke every heart of every Canadian,
every Blue Jays fan, every you know, and there were so many
people along for ride who didn'teven watch baseball.
Like it was such I think it was so great for the country.
Matt Remind it reminded me like 2015 like better like amplified
because we actually made the World Series.

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But the run you talk about the run.
I I mean there is a good portionof the week where I just didn't
wanna hear any of it. I didn't want to hear it was a
good season. It was this it was that Oh, you
guys would be back. It was a good run.
You know, like I don't I don't care about any of that.

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We lost man, we went home. We we blew it, man.
We blew the chance. We had two chances to beat them
and we blew it. You know, it pissed me off and
I'm still pissed off about it. But you know what it was a great
run and it did a lot for this for this sport in this country.

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It did a lot for the for the Blue Jays across baseball, the
perception of them. I think it's totally changed
with, you know, people got to see what Toronto is like in a
World Series atmosphere, something that hasn't been seen
in in in 32 years. So my thoughts on it, I, I mean,

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it hurts, man. It's still freaking hurts.
I mean, no matter, you know, we're all going to sit here.
We're all going to just what if,what if, what if, what if, you
know, like I had plans to go to the parade in Toronto, man.
Like, I was ready to go. Like I was bumped, man.
Yeah, you're bummed. Everybody's bombed, man.
It sucks. I mean, but it was a great

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season. You know, nobody expects us to
be here. If you had told me that we were
going to play at game seven in extra innings of a World Series
game this season before the season began, ohe, I told you
you're crazy, man. Well, that's a lot lot there,

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but I mean. Yeah.
It's been a long time since the Jays made the World Series.
We were really young and we've had our moments and this was one
of the best runs in Jay's history.
And like I said, unfortunately, the outcome didn't go their way.
But I mean, the Dodgers came up in clutch moments and they ended

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up winning the World Series. They been through it there
repeat champions when they get once again.
But we'll talk about the. World Series team though.
We were the fucking better team,man, and you know it.
Well, we'll dive into all that and what went wrong and why
didn't they come through and clutch moments.
We'll talk about all that. But first, first thing, let's

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talk about the positives of thisteam.
And the first thing we want to talk about is the offence.
The offence was great for the J throughout the most part.
And if you look at the way they put up a fight to all these
starting pitchers, and if you goback to the Yankees, get a
Mariners to the Dodgers, I mean,their pathway of getting to

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World Series wasn't easy. And they faced some really good
pitching and and they outplayed their starting pitching.
I mean that that especially Seattles, right?
So there was. The was the toughest man, it was
the toughest Rd. to to to the World Series.
Anybody like if they were going to win the championship this
year, it was going to have to beat by beating some really good

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teams and they beat some really good teams along the way and
they and they came within two outs of beating the dodgers.
You know, like the the the WorldSeries champs, man.
So I mean from a year ago. So in the current freaking
champs, like, you know, it's just, it's like they're a good
team, man. And you know, when it comes down
to it, the only pitcher that really gave us issues was

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Yamamoto, man. Yeah, you gotta get, get.
There's a reason why the MVP of the series.
I mean, he pitched in three games and he won all three of
them and he was shut down. I mean, they compared him to
what Madison Bumgarner did in 2014 in the World Series and he
was it was very similar, the performances and you know, and

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it just shows you that Yamamoto is one of the best pictures in
the sport. He's probably considered top
five in the game now. Like absolutely.
And that's why they the Dodgers gave him all that money.
So, but let let's let's look at the Jays perspective and and who
would you say overall like was big factors, you know, in those
lineups when they were scoring runs and winning games at that

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time? A hearty Clement man earning
Clement was great in this postseason.
You know, he broke a record mosthits in a in a postseason man
ever. I mean, Ernie holds that solo
man. So I mean that's that's a hell
of an accomplishment for a guy playing his first postseason

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late bloomer. You know, you never really
thought of Ernie's really much of anything when you acquired
them and he turned out being oneof the I think he's one of the
best players on this team man. Like he is just so intricate to
success. It's Toronto Blue Jays had this
year with me earn Ernies right up there.

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I would like #1 you know, I thought, I thought Addison
Barger had a great playoff, great World Series.
You know, he, he struggled, you know, a little bit in the first,
you know, I, I'd say, you know, for about 6 games there between
the Yankees and the, and the first couple games and the

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barriers and he took off, He got, he got his mojo back right
on into the World Series. He was great.
I thought Kirk was really good in the World Series.
You know, a lot of guys were good in the World Series, man,
like that. Offensively, we were much better
than they were. You know, we just had some
really bad mistakes on the basesand and that came back to really

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bite us in the end. Well, like you said, timely
hitting is so key. Where do you want to come
through and clutch moments in time And yeah, I look at Addison
Barger stats is actually he probably was the best hitter in
this series. Bad at 480 OBP was 5536,

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slugging with 68 Opus was 12/16.That's insane.
And Vlad probably comes second after that.
But let me talk about Boba Ship for one second here.
And I think this is a a pivotal point.
We're gonna talk about him in a separate conversation when it
comes to free agency, what I think is going to happen.

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But him coming back, what? What a warrior and he wasn't
100%. He was basically playing with
one leg and the fact that he played the way he did.
I wanna know what healthy Bulba shirt would look like.
And as same thing goes with Springer.
Guy batted 348 in this World Series and he had a 923 OPS.

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Insane and. Sane through on top.
Of it, yeah. Yeah.
And he had four walks, six RBI'sand one home run in this series
and eight hits overall. And so, yes, and he sacrificed
his body. He was willing to do what it
takes to place second base and Iknow there's a lot of pride with

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him playing shortstop for him and I think that's also a factor
for him moving forward. But Jimenez putting a shortstop
is defence is so elite and I think it's important that during
those playoff runs, he was such a big part of that defence and
both his bat is so hard to replace and he came through in

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so many moments. And you know, the Jays wearing
100% health wise. I mean, George Springer's
another story. He was banged up throughout the
playoffs as well. Like his oblique was going
through issues, his knee was going through issues, his wrist
was going through issues like and and who knows what else.

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But I mean, there was a lot going on with George fingers are
all overall. But if you look at this lineup
and you look at the factors and you look at the way this offence
was, it was really good. But I felt like the issue to me
with this team, they were lacking a bit of power.
And the reason why I say that isbecause if you look at the

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Dodgers in Game 7, how did they score their runs?
And I get it, their solo shots, but those should shot also home
runs. Cost of the game.
Max Muncy hit a home run out forTracy.
You Savage. Miguel Rojas hit a home run off
of Jeff Hoffman and Will Smith hit a home run off of Shane
Bieber. And I think that's going to be
something that she's going to have to address.

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And look, they did hit for powerhere and there and they did hit
a I like to see a little bit more power with this team moving
forward. But how would you look at the
pitching overall? Because we looked at the Dodgers
pitching, they said they had four aces and they get, they get
paid like aces. That's fine.
But the Jays actually matched uppretty well if you look at it.

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I mean, God's bin was great. And you know what's unfortunate
part was no, I mean, we'll get to your savage, but Rosman
didn't get run support in those two games and that affected him.
I've I've noticed that he never got much run support besides the
first game of the LDS. But beyond that, like what?

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Like he didn't get much run support overall in the playoffs.
Like even against the Mariners, he didn't get run support.
And I think they lost both gamesas well.
So that's a lot of bad luck for Gosman over there.
You gotta be lucky in the playoffs.
I mean, a little bit of luck is needed when, when you're
winning. So when when you're doing stuff.

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I thought they got a lot of I I thought the Blue Jays had some
luck along the way with certain things.
They were unlucky with others and they were really unlucky.
I think in the last series. There were a lot of things like
even in that final, you know, game, like you know where, where
they had in Game 7 when like even like just take him and his

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at bat. For example, late in the game,
they had a runner on third base.I think it was the runner on 3rd
or runner on 2nd. Any, any you know, he was going
to bunt the ball. He pulls it back.
It's a line drive rate to freaking hard, too real hard man
rate up Max Muncie and Muncie made an amazing play on the ball
to catch it, you know, and it was just like they were just

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little things like that, balls that were smoked so that were
just hitting the wrong spot. You know, like it's just little
things. Base running errors.
I mean, errors are errors. They're on the player.
But you know, there was just a lot of bad luck in the World
Series for the Blue Jays and they still on the which took it
to a game seven, you know what Imean?

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So I mean, good job on them I guess, right?
Well, the problem, well, I mean,the Blue Jays pitching held it
down. I mean, we talk about.
Yeah. Game one, I mean, they played
they they, they put a crooked number.
They scored eleven runs. I mean, Barges grandson, I mean,

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turned that team upside down. And then Game 2, they weren't
able to score runs. That was all pitching matchup
between Yamamoto and Gosman and they scored five runs.
I mean, there was a little bit of bad luck there too, right,
With the errors and the wild pitches and all that stuff.
Yeah. But game three?
Game 3 was the longest game I'veprobably watched.

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Well, I mean, you could compare it to the 1818 Red Sox Dodgers,
right? So that's that's the only other
game you can compare it to. Yeah, that's the only game we
could compare it to. And you know, The thing is like,
it's it's like you look at how that game went down and shout

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out to Eric Lauer, by the way, what a game he pitched and he
wasn't even stretched out and heplayed clean and he didn't give
up any runs. And it went like.
Get back to him. Man, like he had a hell of a
game and and look, he saved thatteam to the very end.
And I said in the last episode or what, when we did our ALCS

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recap, that I don't think Brandon Little should have
pitched in the World Series. I mean, why did you use him
instead of you, Mario Rodriguez?That to me is a bigger question.
But overall, you got to look at it this way.
I think the pitching was good enough.
But the only other problem but the Jays is that they gave up
too many home runs in that series.

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They give up Freddie Freeman a home run.
They gave Will Smith home runs, they gave him Muncie home runs.
Like that was a problem. And then game four they held it
down with their pitching. And think about this.
They beat Blake Snell twice in that series, they beat Otani in
that series, and they beat Glasnow until they lost.
The extras, they beat a plethoraof good pitches in the playoffs.

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I mean, they didn't really. Like I said, the only starting
pitcher that really gave them anissue was Yamamoto.
And you look at the like you mentioned about game three with
the long game there and little and all this and ever.
I thought, you know, everybody really pitched well and there
was a pitcher on like I thought that, you know, John Schneider,

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great year. I think you should win manager
of the year. But that game, I think he
managed like a freaking regular season game.
He took all our guys out. That was showed his inexperience
of of playing extra inning ball in the playoffs, in my opinion,
because our lineup was so depleted at the end of that

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game. We couldn't hit a lick, man,
even if we even if we tried, like and they did try and they
couldn't hit nothing. Like, I mean, you had your miles
straws and and and Tyler Heinen's and like, you know,
like it was just like you're I KF and your and your you know,
you're David Schneider's, you know, at the end against

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righties and stuff. Like, I, I mean, it's just, it
was just so yeah, I thought it was just a managed poorly.
You didn't see you didn't see Dave Roberts doing that because
he knows, man. He knows like how how these
games can go in the playoffs. And he's been involved in one of
these games before. So he was prepared for that

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scenario, whereas John SchneiderI don't think was.
So that would be the only, the only criticism I had with with
John in the whole entire World Series was was with with that.
And he was forced to use little at the end because, I mean, you
couldn't ask Eric lawyer to do anymore than he already did in

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that game. So, you know, he was at his, he
was at his, his, his end. So it was just unfortunate the
way the game ended. I thought we played better than
them. We just didn't have the
offensive talent on the field inthe lineup to to to match, you
know, they still held them down for 18 for for for two complete

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full. Games, you have to look at it
this way, the fact that it came to a point like it got tactical
right. John Schneider, there was
moments that he made a couple ofmistakes in certain situations
when it comes to where where youhave to play or pitch certain

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guys. And I get it, you're savage
could have continued to pitch. I would have done is use Hoffman
in the 8th inning or the 7th inning and then go to your
Savage you closeout the series. Maybe that would have been a
mistake because you're savage was virtually unstoppable
throughout the most part, right.And then you have a backup plan.
But I mean it, it's tough and I I think this is what I think the

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moment it's average gave up a home run to Max Muncie.
I think that it costed them. I think it it got he got scared
and he pulled him and he used the main guys.
But you need a you need a trust you're starting pitchers.
I wish Jane Bieber could have pitched.
I don't know where Gosman stuck stood out of all this.
That's my other thing bought him.

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Was he available by any means and in Game 7 or maybe he was
just arm was overused. I know he pitched twice, but and
he's a little bit older, but I mean, we'll never know about
that. But overall, I think that's
something we're gonna talk aboutthe bullpen and stuff and I
think that has to be a need. I was just surprised that Yurio
Rodriguez wasn't on the roster at all.
Right. So yeah, and they and I, I told

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you Brandon Little shouldn't be here and I told him he was never
going to be used. And used that was trust.
I think they just, he was on theroster just because of, you
know, the guy got us to where wewere and bring us.
Well, I think it's also the left-handed player.
I think it's more to do. With the left-handed pitching,
yeah, I. Think you have to think about
it. You got Ohtani like you got
Freeman, you got Muncie. Those those are three pivotal

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left-handed hitters. Tommy Edmonds, a switch hitter.
But you had better right-handed.That's the problem, right?
That's why. That's why when the offseason
they need to go and get a power lefty man, yeah, that should be
one of their top priorities in my opinion.
Next to obviously Bo is #1 you know, left-handed, maybe a
left-handed starting pitcher, 2 left-handed starting pitcher and

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A and a left-handed power arm tocome out of the bullpen.
Those are two important things, man.
I think they need to go after a lot of people are crying for a
bat. I get that.
But I still think that the left-handed power arm and the
bullpens more important, but. That that's something they're
gonna address about that. I think that.

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For left-handed starter too. Right.
And The thing is that they love hopping.
They overuse these relievers allyear, man.
And we're gonna talk then. They use little.
They use barling. Little I don't blame little,
man. I played Schneider for over
using them. Not just Schneider, P Walker.
Whoever's involved in those decisions, man.
Yeah. I mean, The thing is that you

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got to look at it this way as well as like you have to make
sure that you throw the right pitches.
Because sometimes when I look atthe way they pitch up, all these
guys hit the fastball really well.
You gotta throw their second pitches.
You gotta throw their pitches away.
And look, I get it. If it's not effective, then
where you going to go through the fastball?
And I think that that was probably another reason why that

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they had to go through this whole whole plan.
So I think overall, I mean, this, this is something they're
going to have to figure it out in the offseason how they're
going to upgrade this team because there's a rumor that we
heard about, I heard about todayand we're gonna dive into it and
I couldn't believe it, but we'llwe'll get into that later.

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But let's reflect on the season overall.
How magical what this was, this run is, and we could reflect on
the previous years, how these playoffs runs, how great
baseball is. Where would you rank all time
when it comes to best playoff moments or best seasons?

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I mean, you could talk about 92,you could talk about 93.
If you're old enough to talk about 89, you could go ahead and
talk about it. But where would you rank this
run of Book 2025 Blue Jays Baseball All Time on your list?
Well, it have to be #3. Yeah.

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It would have to be because you got the two, the two of the
finishing World Series. You can't put that ahead of them
like we want. We want titles, so.
But this, this one is you know what?
I put those up against those. Yeah, this one.
Yeah. The the way it was like we went
to we went to we, we went to game seven against Seattle,

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right? Yes, yeah, yeah, we did right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we went to we went to two
game sevens in this, in this playoff, you know, and and a
Game 6 or yeah, it was a game. Yeah, it was a game.
That was a Game 5. Sorry.

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Or was it 4 against the Yankees?I forgive.
I forget man, I've I've blocked out this stuff so much this
week. Well, the figures I looked at
this way, I look at, I look at that September run and I was a

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bit worried about if this team was going to hold down the
division. And they went through adversity
a lot this year and they overcame adversity all year and
they held their ground. And it's, it's important that
you look at how this team is overall.

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Like there's a lot of versatility, there's a lot of
resilience, there's a lot of perseverance in this squad.
And lot of people had skepticismabout the Blue Jays taking this
team to the World Series. And I was a believer at the
moment. I saw that that run in July,
when they did, they had to take over against the Yankees to take

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over first place and they never looked back.
And it's important to look at the fact that the Jays run in
that 10 game-winning streak and then just holding it down all
the way through, showing me out a lot of power that this team
had something special going on and they had a special team all
year. Man, this team has been great,
right? So, and overall, you gotta look

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at it this way. How, how would you look at your
moments? We like.
What would you say was your mostdefying moment for the for the
Jays this year? It was the Yankees series to me,
Sorry one probably when George hit that home run.
But to me, I mean, and then George did it again against

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Seattle. I mean, that was defining too,
right, you know, to get us to the World Series broke their
hearts, you know, and then our hearts get broken in the same
way. It's like, it's like it's, it's
fucked, man. Baseball's fucked when you think
about it. It's a fucking cruel fucking
sport, man. You know, at the end of the day,

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it's cruel as shit, you know, and it can humble you real
quick, man, You know, you just it's, you know, we break their
hearts by, you know, that and then we get ours broken and
almost the same way, man. There's like it's just, I mean,
but yeah, I would put those two home runs there, you know, right

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up there. I think those are two.
I think that George home run in the playoffs is the second
biggest home run next to Joe Carters and and and history of
and then you gotta put barges ofWorld Series Grand Slam up
there. That's pretty freaking bad.
Probably #3 for me in the history like that's that's a big

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one. There was a big.
Yeah, I mean, Vlad's Grand Slam.I was in awe against the Yankees
when Will Warren was pitching and I was like, Oh my God, I had
a feeling about that. That moment was a defining
moment. Trey Savage is 11 strikeouts or
is it 1211 or 12 against the Yankees was another defined

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Dillaha hit. The Dodgers won.
He matched that, too, which is insane to think like a rookie
pitcher about 14 endings pitchedin the regular season, getting
called up in the middle of September to do something like
that. It's unprecedented.
You don't see these moments likethat.
I can't recall a moment. And when Trey Savage had 12

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strikeouts against the Dodgers in the World Series while Sandy
Kofax was witnessing that. I'm wondering his mind what kind
of a player he is and how important he is and what kind of
a star he is. And it's it's, it's the fact
that he was only drafted last year and he did all that was
imaginable, like it's the unthinkable that happened,

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right? So it's it's important to look
at the fact that there's so manymoments.
I mean, let me ask you this, where would you rank George
Springer's go ahead. Three run shot against the
Seattle Mariners. All time on your list.
Yeah, that's what I said #2 yeah#2 next Joe Carter, it's gotta
be. Would you say, I mean Roberto

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Alomar's home run against DennisEckersley was a go ahead home
run at that probably captured a series, right so.
Alright, yeah, but this one, this one elevate us into the
World Series. Yeah, that's that's, that's
true. That's the that's the bigger
thing. I put that one three, yeah,
maybe 3 and then barges Grand Slam 4 I'd put yeah, that's

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probably. That's grand slams up there.
Too with lads. Grand slams up there for sure
too. Yeah.
For sure. I mean, I mean it's the only
Grand Slam in World Series history pinch hit Grand Slam.
So that's, you know, that's justthe historical significance of
it. Would I think I'd put it ahead
of lads just the way he came in and fucking I mean, it's hard to

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come off the bench and hit a hita Grand Slam, hit a home run
that alone within that position.So burgers, burgers gonna be a
superstar one day, man. Like he's he's, we're watching
it, we're watching it happen. So.
I think it's just that he playeda full season.
He's gonna always gonna have hisupside ups and downs, right?

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So. Yeah.
I think it's, it's the question is like, is he ready to, to to
take over next step? I do, and we'll talk about that
and, and let let me ask you this.
Shane Bieber acquired at the trade deadline and giving up Cal

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Stephen, who is a significant prospect that and thinking that
it was a bit of a gamble. He was coming off from Tommy
John surgery and you ask you howimportant was he as a starting
pitcher? I think he was important,
especially on a culture aspect that knowing the familiarity of
how people Walker works with pitchers, he's one of the best
in the game and the question is,now that he's going to be part

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of this team next year, how important is that?
Yeah, man, it's, it's super important.
It's, it's, you know, it's, it's, it's incredibly important.
No doubt about it, huh? Yeah.
I mean, this is the way I look at it, man, you got the like, as

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long as they can keep this team together, man, I think this team
can do great things, man, you know, and there's a lot of a lot
of there's a lot of positives that you take away from, you
know, it's funny, they're just showing this bubble front on the
TV right now 5 but I'll probablybecause they're talking about
the presser. But man, that wasn't that a
great moment. Like I mean, just to see him do

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that and that spot, you know, give us that 3 nothing lead.
I think it was 3 nothing. It was a three one.
And at that point, it might havebeen 3-1.
But yeah, it was, you know, it was something to see, man, you
know, and getting him under contract is the most important
thing for this franchise. I saw an article today, there

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was a video or some on on Sportsnet.
It said is he, is he like the linchpin that's holding this
thing together? Like could, could it, could it
go the other way if we lose BobaShep?
And it's a valid, valid point, valid argument to think about
because he's so important to histeam.

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So I think keeping him is so important.
So we'll see if they get it done.
Well, the thing about bow and what I think, I think bowl is
gonna stay, but we'll get into all that.
I think it's important the fact that do you have to keep this
core together and will it let's let's let's let's get into the

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whole Mark Shapiro, Ross Atkins press conference today and that
went down today. And what were the key elements
that you saw that either one, ifyou want to start with Shapiro
or Atkins, it's up to you, but Ihave a lot to lot of things I
want to talk about. What was the first thing you saw

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in mind? He started out talking about
just how he would kind of just see everywhere he went, he saw
support for the Blue Jays and hekind of just didn't.
It wasn't something that he thought about, you know?
It wasn't like, like it didn't pop into his head like he didn't
like, what's the word I'm looking for?

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Like he didn't, he didn't realize what was going on before
his eyes. Like, you know, the the support
and you know everybody, you know, like you did, you know,
you weren't seeing like hockey, hockey, hockey, like, you know,
cab. It was all support for the Blue
Jays baseball, You know, Jayce flags out front of their houses,

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signs, fucking everything, right.
So it was, you know, I thought that that was that was cool that
he started out like that. But, you know, there were some
things when they asked about, you know, about Schneider or
about Mark Shapiro, who's in thefinal year of his contract.
You know, I guess they they put that on hold during the

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postseason run. But it's likely something that's
gonna be done soon, so it soundslike Mark Shapiro's gonna be
here for a while. Ohk, I think, I think he's gonna
be here for for a really long time, in my opinion.
Yeah. Well, the one sad part I, I
hate, I hate to say this, that is that his wife passed away and

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he went through that process, right?
That's a lot of resilience. Right for it yeah, he did say
that too. And and he was you know, and
that's that's tough. That's a tough thing to go
through, man. Yeah.
You know, she wasn't here to be able to, you know, see that, you
know, like, that's gotta know. He's gotta be feeling that too,
right? So.

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Yeah, I mean, I mean, but one thing I I took away with one of
his his comments is that he doesn't see the payroll going
down. That to me telling me that the
payroll is going up and they're going to keep spending and I
think they're going to do something.
Well, that's important too, because if you look at it and
you could talk about you could talk about Richard Griffin and

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you could talk about how about Richard Griffin and and he asked
about Bo. And The thing is like, to me, I
think that there this is what I think.
I think this team is about to gonuclear.
And I was telling people they might be the George Steinbrenner
of this modern era in the AL East.
And I told the Yankees, Yankees fans.

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And they were like, I wish that we had we had hell that would
act like George, it'll never happen.
But Edward wants to win men. And you saw that whole process
in his mind, he's thinking like,OK, you gotta do this.
And The thing is like, you have to remember one thing about Mark
Shapiro. He's not going to rush to market
right away. Him and Mark Ross Akin and the

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fact that with Mark you want winning baseball man and he
compared this World Series. Yeah, to 90. 1997 I remember
that when the Cleveland Indians placed the Marlins.
So right, right. Yeah, and you looked at how they
can like how they lost. They lost.

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They almost the same way. Like yeah, and extra innings,
right so. Yeah, they lost in extra
innings, yeah. And he was, I think he was an
amateur scout assistant GM at that time.
So I believe John Hart with the GM for the Indians in those 90s
and those in 90s seems like whatcould have been in Mark Shapiro

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came here for a reason is to spend to try to win, try to get
this team to go over the top in a big market team and and
conquer the AL and beyond and the World Series.
That's the whole plan, and I think that's important.
He checked a lot of those boxes on this run, though, except for
except for winning it all. I mean, he checked off a lot of

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those boxes that you just mentioned, you know, aside just
from from, you know, getting it done.
But I mean, that's not on the end, man.
Like like he did. I thought he did great and it's
amazing, you know, before the season and I really the last few
years people have just shit on the front office and ourselves

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included. Like we're no different, you
know, but we, we sit here and welook at back at those days and,
and even last year, people are shitting on them.
We're shitting on them, you know, and things aren't getting
done. And we're same old Blue Jays and
we sold last year. They made one of the most

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miraculous turnarounds for a front office, I think in one
season that I've ever seen. Like it's just, it's incredible
what they did in one year And, and they've really saved their
jobs this year. They really did.
Like I think it goes above and beyond that.
I think for them to get to the playoffs and try to have a

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little run is one thing about this run is the third best run
of all time. Yeah, right.
That's my point. Like they really saved their
bacon on this one on, you know, and I wonder, like they had to
win a playoff series. In the playoffs, they won two,
you know, like I think just to in order for them to keep their

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jobs, they would have had to winone series.
You know, especially after I think, well, sorry, them winning
the division probably did it, but in the playoffs they needed
to get a win, which they haven'tgotten in their tenure until
this year. They finally got it.
They got 2 series wins and came within two outs of winning it

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all against one of the biggest juggernauts in baseball.
Like Bravo, man, you guys, you guys did a hell of a job, man.
Lifetime contracts. I'm fine with man.
Like I, I'm serious, man. Like I get like, you know,
losing that World Series was noton the front office, you know

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what I mean? It was just, it just, it's
baseball, you know, like it sucks.
We're sitting here, we're dealing with it, you know,
we're, we're trying to cope, thought this whole thing.
But at the end of the day, the job they did, man, was
phenomenal. My opinion?
Yeah. Because The thing is like, give

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credit to Edward Rogers here. Yeah, give credit to him.
Yeah, give credit to him and he was patient enough to hold these
guys and give him another opportunity.
John Schneider has been with this organization for 23 years.
And give credit where it's due. And Ross Atkins said that John

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Schneider got his contract option.
So he's he's he's, he's back for26.
But I do think they're gonna, they're gonna work work.
They're gonna work on an extension.
Yeah, well, he needs to get extended.
So I mean, he's that's why I said him and Shapiro need their

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their jobs. They, you know, they need, they
need to get those guys locked upfor the for the long haul, so.
Right. So, and the fact that and the
fact that they did that and now they're gonna do some work.
And before we get to the Ross Atkins stuff, what were your
thoughts about Don Mattingly leaving the Blue Jays

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organization? And you saw the report that he's
probably being considered to be the next Phillies bench coach
with the Rob Thompson. And I think it's a lot to do
with culture, familiarity and seniority and history, right?
So. Is that the?
Is that the reason why he left his?
Because I think he wanted because his son's GM presenting

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maddeningly and I think that's abig reason why they they wanna
stable culture. I think Don Magic called old
school minded to you know. Yeah, if you wants to be a bench
coach, then, yeah, then there was a better opportunity than
what he was doing here. Yeah.
I mean, and obviously he was gonna get that opportunity

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somewhere from another team after this run, man, you know,
and after the offending people see the Blue Jays offence
change, maybe they want maybe you know, how much was he a part
of that? I think he was.
I think he had a a role in that too.
I think it was just David Popkins, man.
I think there was a few guys on the hitting stuff that really

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helped change things. So maybe they wanted to, maybe
they want to implement some of his philosophies and their
offence to because you look at the way Blue Jays offence is,
they don't strike out a lot. They take a lot of pictures.
They they, you know, they allow themselves to, to, to see what

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pictures have because they take so many pictures.
They have great approaches to play, you know, and they want a
world and, and you know, they can win games without hitting
home runs, man. And that's seems to be almost
like a lost art in baseball, man.
Like not too many teams, let alone make game seven of the

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World Series with the way the Blue Jays play baseball.
So, you know, it's an old schoolway of playing baseball, right?
But it worked, you know. I'm gonna I'm gonna steal a
quote from our body of ours. Jesse Burl.
He said something about Kirmayershould be the next bench coach.
And I was thinking about this. And shout out to Jesse Burrell,

(40:40):
by the way, a friend of our showand he considered about Kirmayer
being a bench coach and a culture guy in the clubhouse guy
and being around with these players and have familiarity.
Was thinking about it. I was like, it does make sense.
And I could see that happening. And I'm curious to see if they
wanna go that direction because they still have Demarlo Hale is
the associate managers as well. So where where do they wanna go?

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I don't know. But like they could go in
different ways about what they want to do.
They also have David Bell in thefront office.
That could be the next, next bench coach as well.
He has managerial experience andhe has familiarity coping with
players as well. So there's some options out
there. Let's get to the whole Raza
Askin at Ross Atkins thing. And there's a lot of key

(41:24):
elements he's already said aboutthe Jays, what they're planning
to do in this offseason. And the one thing that caught my
mind is that that he's already in the trade market for a
starting pitcher thinking about,OK, the free agent market just
started today. Where does this whole Trade Ave.

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begin with? Because there's a whole bunch of
names and I won't mention it about a certain player and we're
gonna dive deep into that and what will it cost?
But if you look at a realistic perspective of a trade target
for a starting pitcher, who would you have in mind that you
would think that I'm not? I'm not gonna mention the name
that I'm I I've heard about the rumor.

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But if it really unrealistic perspective, who would you say
would have would make sense for the Blue Jays?
If you're looking at term control fit culture, who would
you say? It is like the free it would
have to be on the trade market. And the trade market, because
that's what Ross Atkins quoted today, that he's already looking

(42:30):
for a starting pitcher in the trade market.
Right. I mean, off the top of my head,
I really have to look. I mean, you got me, Joe Ryan,
you got. I got what?
I got one guy in mind, but you know, it it it'd be, it'd be

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that, it'd be the guy in Detroit, but.
Well, I mean, we could talk about that, but like, what about
Joel Ryan? What about?
Joe Ryan would make sure I want a left-handed guy though.
That's the thing. I think a left-handed starter
would be good. That's why I think to me, if
they're gonna go like they go free agency, got Ranger Suarez

(43:12):
and and Framer Foldes, right? Those are two guys that come to
mind. But those guys are free agents.
So I'm just trying to think about on, on, on that, on that
scale. I mean, Joe Ryan's a free agent
too this year, too. Right.
No, Joe Ryan is too. Sorry, sorry, not your Ryan.
Zach Galen. I mean, he'd be another another

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guy. He had a rough year last year,
so I don't know what his market is is, but he's he might be a
guy that's, you know, coveted ona short term deal.
Well, right now, if you look at the pictures that are available,
it's a deep starting pitching class.
But in the trade market, let's let's get right to the point.

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What the hell? So what I was told today and I
couldn't believe it. He's and I was talking to a
friend of ours and he was talking about oht you.
He's like what time you're recording?
We're gonna do it tonight. We got 2 recordings and we're
like, what if I told you school board is a blue Jay or they're
working on a tray to try to get him?

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I was like, no way. It's like, it's like it's gonna
cost you something. I was like, absolutely.
I think screwball is the best picture if not one A1B.
How? However you want to rank Paul
Skins in tariff school, left-handed pitcher H stuff, 4

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nasty pitches and he has one year left on his contract and
his final year of arbitration. It's gonna cost you a lot to go
get a guy like him, and getting a guy like Skubal is a big
swing. But what are you giving up to go

(44:58):
get him? That to me is the bigger
question because it's not gonna be a cheap ticket.
It's gonna cost you so much and it might cost you guys on the
main roster. And that's something that you
have to really consider yourselfthinking that what are you
giving up for school and Rob, are you willing to do what it

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takes to go get a guy like School Ball?
I think it's gonna cost you Ricky Seidman least, right?
It's gonna cost you Ricky Tiderman.
It's gonna it's gonna cost you amaybe a gauge stand over too.
It's gonna cost you Victor AriasArgentina, one of the three

(45:43):
young kids between Juan Sanchez,Arjun Amala and JoJo Parker.
JoJo Parker would be the player to be named later.
And I think one of them has to be in that package deal and it's
going to cost you a low Perfeitoand or maybe a Lucas or I do not
want to trade or any Clement, but they might ask for him.
Like there. That's the package you're going
to have to give up because how many teams are willing to go get

(46:06):
a guy like Scoble? I don't think the Dodgers will
because they already got 4 elitepitchers already under contract
and they got guys in their system they can go.
The Mets potentially could, but the problem about the Mets is
that David Stern doesn't operatethat way.
And I think he's gonna go internally and he's gonna go do

(46:27):
what he Boston. They already have Crochet and I
don't know if John Henry's willing to pony up and give the
capital to go get him for just arental, but with Toronto it
makes sense. But are they willing to do it?

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Because I haven't seen this front office swing for the
fences like that ever. But knowing that coming off a
World Series appearance came down to the last game of the
season and went the distance andbeyond.
They had two extra inning games.And you know that pitching, you
can never have enough pitching. You could strengthen your
pitching all you want. I mean, school board will take

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this team to the top with this rotation because let's just say
hypothetically speaking with school ball, you have school
ball, Gausman, you're Savage, Bieber and Burials.
I mean, that's one of the best fives, but you are depleting a
lot in the system and you're gonna have to scratch and claw
and look to see who else you're willing to give up and finding

(47:32):
the system. That's the thing, right?
It's a risk factor and I was thinking about this today when I
was told about this rumor and I said to myself, he's a rental.
The Jays have all the flexibility in the world after
26. We don't know what's a certainty

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about what's going on with the CBA agreement, how long that's
gonna sustain and if there's gonna be a lockout, which is
very likely that's gonna happen.But that's a that's a move that
you are going for. It's like A1 Sodo to the Yankees
type of deal. Or I mean, David Cohen going to

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the Blue Jays in 92 or Ricky Henderson going to the Jays in
93. Like that's the type of move
that you go. That's that's, that's a that's a
strong and look, the Jays can afford them.
They have so much money coming off the books after 26.
They got Varsha as a free agent.They got Springer as a free
agent. They got Gausman, Bieber, Jimmy

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Garcia, Nick Sandlin, the list goes on and on anyhow, But like,
man, it's crazy to think that ifthey go gets Google, I mean, how
would you how would you look at them as a as in the staff, like
like in the rotation overall, like would you rank them as top

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three, top five, top ten, numberone?
Man, what school? He'd be a number.
He'd be a nice man. Yeah.
I mean, would you bring the rotation, the rotation?
Would you? Ration as a whole, I mean the
ale E we're talking about. In the in baseball In baseball.

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I mean, it's hard. It's hard to like that, that
rotation that the Dodgers have when they're healthy, they're
still really good. I put them probably God, man,
number one or two. It would have to be like those.
Those two would be the two when they're healthy, I guess, right?
Yeah, it just, if that's the case, if it's true that they're

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swinging big, that means this team is going to be extremely
busy this offseason. And I do think that this team is
gonna end up being a coin tax team this this year, this coming
year. It just shows the resilience and
there's a lot of guys are under control for substantial amount
of time or any comments and under control for four years.
Battison barges under control for four years.

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Hernandez is under control for three years.
I mean, Santander, I don't know where he fits in this all this,
but he's still under contract for three.
So and then Vlad, of course, Vlad Kirk, I mean, you're
savage. Those guys are under control for
a long, long time and the bullpen is pretty much intact
unless they wanna reshift and try to improve and trade some
guys. They're pretty much the guys who

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has one year left with Jimmy Garcia.
And I wonder what they do with their anti Dominguez because it
doesn't. And another key element, what
Ross Atkins said, is that Jeff Hoffman is not married to be in
the closer world, telling me that they're gonna go get a
closer. And realistically, who would you
want as a closer if it's true? I mean, Edwin Diaz would make

(50:55):
sense. I like him.
I would take him now. There's a free agent ring so he
is experiencing close games. Really at the top of my head.
I mean really don't know what's available either.
I haven't really looked at the free agent stuff.
I mean, I mean, we're already infree agency seasoned, right?
So I mean, that's the thing, right.

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Like, I think that's also a factor to when you look at the
fact that we look at teams that are in on closures, I mean,
Edwin Diaz is probably the creamof the crop, right?
You would have to say a Glacias is another guy, that's a factor,
but he gives up home run so thatI don't think that the Jays

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would be in on him. So where would you go?
Will you go? You go trademark it, perhaps.
I mean, who is available? It's a good question.
That I mean, I don't know. Mark Marlins have a whole bunch
of believers out there, so they have guys they could trade away
if they choose to, right we're. Talking about a closer.

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Yeah, Robert. I mean, Robert Suarez is a free
agent. Would you take A chance on him?
I don't. Know I I like, I like Suarez.
With this team, they need power,they need swinging miss guys.
They can't have guys that give us home runs.
Louis Varland should be one of the high leverage guys.

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Would you bring back Sir AnthonyDominguez?
Yeah, I liked him. Yeah, I wouldn't bring him back.
Brayden Fisher, he was a good pick up.
Yeah, I think so too. I think they have to reshift
this whole bullpen overall, in my opinion, because like, you
have to look at how some of these guys are gonna fit into
this bullpen because there's a lot of arms in this team and

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they have more, I think, in the system, but they're not close to
being ready yet. So yeah, I think it just dwells
down to how you wanna get guys and how you want to use guys,
right. So I think that's important.
So what are your thoughts? What are your thoughts on this
team and where do you think theystand and what what's your

(53:04):
outcome and what do you what's your predictions?
II Overall the guy I have my predictions.
I think, I think we. Start with start with Bo, start
with Bo and and and go from there.
Well, you're talking about like players like.
Yeah, like guy doesn't come backor does he sign?
Elsewhere comes back, yeah, I, Ithink, I think that's, I think

(53:26):
that's a priority for this team is to bring him back.
So yeah, I think it comes back. Are you talking about prediction
for next year too? Like what?
You think for 2026, what do you who do you think?
Well, in the offseason, what do you think?
How busy are they going to be? Humble, Yeah.

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I think they're gonna be real busy and adding guys.
I think that they're going to look at a lot of players both on
the trade market and free agency.
They made a lot of money in the postseason.
Not that that I don't know if that matters much in the grand
scheme of whether they'd spend or whether they don't, but I
think the perception across baseball has changed regarding

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the Blue Jays. You know, it it, like I said at
the beginning of the episode, itopened up a lot of eyes across
baseball to what this city couldbe in the playoffs and and and
what this team, just what this team is, man.
Do you think you're like, for example, you look at a guy like
Max Scherzer, you don't sit hereand think that his decision to

(54:33):
come here was one of the best decisions he's made.
Like probably like for sure, right.
Like, I mean, guys see that, right?
And and guys talk, you know, players are across the league
talk to each other, man. So you know, a guy like back
shares is gonna tell people Toronto's the place to be, man.
Like, you know what I mean? Like guys talk.

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So I think that's a that's a thing that gets overlooked too.
These players, they all know each other, they're friends with
each other. They talk man, so.
I I do think both comes back. I think yeah, it's just, it's
just that. And this is a quote that that
Ross Atkins mentioned earlier inthe press conference.

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And this is what made me think that.
OK, yeah, he's he's coming back on the Blue Jays shortstop
position for 23 Ross Atkins Tyler, it's a clubs option.
The versatility and and this is from Mitch Banning, by the way,
who's who's a friend of our showtoo, asked if Jimenez could be
long term short stop. I think he's proven that that's

(55:38):
a fine option for it seems like it's like a it's like, OK, I
think he can push. Yeah, he does play shorts up,
but to his turning point that he's not a long term guy, it
seems like asked if Bo wanted toplay shortstop, would that be
open in Toronto for Beau? He said yes.
And that to me I think is a significant difference of Robo
being a short self. It's team than anything else.

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How many teams in a short stuff?There's only a limited market
firm to play shortstop and the Jays will give him every
opportunity. Because if you think about this,
what's important to me is that ever since he's been drafted
with this team, they gave every opportunity for Beau to be the
shortstop of this organization as a franchise player.

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Every other team you've heard maybe Atlanta, but I don't know
if Atlanta is going to give him 200 million because they tried,
because with the Danbury Swanson, they gave him 102, said
no. God sent 177 with the Cubs.
They tried with Adamus got 180. He said no um, I mean they
didn't want to give him that money.
They gave him the signing bonus and then and then Bo.

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I mean defensively, I mean flawed, but the Jays that can
afford both to play shortstop because they got a great
defender and Ernie great defender.
Hammond as in a great defender and Vlad Vlad, Vlad is going to
be a consensus goal Glover for years to come in the AL So and
Kirk, another Gold Glove candidate should have won a Gold
Glove. But I'd I just don't understand

(57:06):
why you didn't win it. But anyhow.
But overall, I think for him it makes too much sense for both if
you want to stay fit with the Jays with the infield defence,
because he's the only flawed defender in that defence.
Any other team that has that, they don't have that privilege.
And the Jays can afford that because they have they have

(57:30):
elite defenders in this team. Bar shows another elite
defender, Barshaw. Barger is an elite defender.
Lucas plays really good defence.And we could talk about what
else they could do because there's also speculation there.
They're probably looking for another bat.
And I know that Kyle Tucker is another name out there, but I
just don't really see the fit inKyle Tucker in this team unless

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they go trade someone significant, like for examples,
Anthony Santander. He's not tradeable right now.
He's gonna play with this team next year and he's gonna
probably play more of a DH most likely.
Yeah, I think so. Barbara, I think, gets a lot of
right field next year, I really do.
I think Santander's gonna play some left field, maybe some

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right occasionally when George gets his days off.
Then you got Farshaw, who's under contract for one more
year. I think his name is gonna get
circulated in trade talk, and I know he's a great defender.
It's for power. But my problem with Varsho, he

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cannot swing at the highball pitches.
He's easy to strike out in that category.
And on top of that, he hits too many ground balls and and credit
to David Pumpkins. By the way, shout out to David
Popkins, Hunter Manson, Lou Ineti for for re vigorating this

(58:59):
this offence in so many ways. It's possible.
And I do think the Jays need to add some sort of pop in that
team and maybe Santander gets anopportunity without question.
But at the same time, you gotta have to find other players
elsewhere and be creative. And one more thing I want to say
here is they got a lot of guys. They're going to be Rule 5

(59:19):
eligible and there's a deadline I think in around late November.
And could you see guys in the minor leagues like the classes,
the Penagos, the Shreks, the Arias, the Josh Riveras, Josh
Kasevich is there's so much depth.

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Could you see any of those get traded?
Absolutely. I don't think everybody's on the
table, man. I think everybody's on the
table. That's not, you know, like, you
know, core, core talent, you know what I mean?
Yeah, everybody, everybody. And I don't, I don't think
there's any. Don't even think Ricky's

(01:00:01):
untouchable, though. And.
I don't think he's untouchable. I'm with you there.
I think Gage Jennifer is a little bit more untouchable.
Jake Bloss is not. I mean, Jake Bloss will have to
figure out because he's still a work in progress with them,
right, that the Jays like him. So we'll see where Bloss is at.
But overall, you got to look at this way.
It's like you just got to understand how this team

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operates. They love the pitching, they
have the pitching. They drafted pitching in this
past year's draft. So they're gonna continue to
build a tree. So it was a prime example of
what teams can do and to collegepitchers are going to be a high
demand in in drafts now moving forward.
I mean, those guys are under control.
They're already built ready, they're already well structured.
So I think that's important. May I ask you one more question

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here? We'll wrap this up because
there's a whatever so much to dive in, but do you think Chris
Bassett comes back on a maybe like a one or two year deal on a
hybrid situation with the Jays or do you think he ends up
signing? Elsewhere, I would want that to
happen. I don't know if he does, but I
think, man, what you saw from him in the playoffs, the

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versatility to come out of the bullpen, he was fantastic.
I really, I really like Chris Basset a lot, man.
Like it would suck to lose him. I just think he has so much
value to this team and I get thepitch.
Yeah, you can't have enough pitching, in my opinion.
So I I think the possibility is there to bring him back.

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Do they? I don't know.
I don't know what's on their priority when it comes to
keeping these guys, especially after Shane Bieber signed.
But what I love to see him back.Yes, There's no question about I
want Chris Basic back as a Blue Jay.
No doubt about it. Man, losing a guy like that,
that would suck. I think they're gonna find a way

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to bring him back. Just a gut feeling.
And the reason why is when you look at the end of the press
conference, he wants to be part of this team and a lot of these
guys want to be part of this team.
And I think the culture has changed drastically and how
important this team is and you can find a way.
You can never have enough victory because injuries are
always going to be a thing. And we'll see how this team is

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built up this coming year. Man, this is gonna be a very,
very fascinating few weeks in inthis off season, and we're gonna
find out what this Jays team's gonna do.
I think they're gonna be, I think, I think this team is
gonna be aggressive than ever. I think during their ten years

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being in this front office. I think that they're gonna, this
is going to be the most aggressive time for this
organization more than ever. And I really believe that
knowing that Edward Rogers wantsto win and he saw that outcome,
I think this team is going to beextremely motivated, more

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motivated ever. And I think we're going to see,
I think we're going to see a shock trade.
I'm not saying it's Skubal, eventhough I heard that report and
it's still a possibility, but I think we're going to get a shock
trade for the Jays. I think they're going to finally
do something uncomfortable for the first time this offseason
and we're going to continue to hear reports in these coming

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days and weeks. But, uh, Rob, do you have any
final thoughts before we wrap wewrap it?
Up. I think it was a great season.
We should yeah. You know, I hate the bullshit
and all the stuff about to a good team and this and that.
Like I said in the beginning of the episode, you know, it sucks
that we lost, but I mean, do I believe that we could come back?

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Yeah, I do. I think this team is a good
team. I think we've we've we've really
set up ourselves nicely to do whatever we want this offseason.
And I think it was a great year,man, It was a great year.
We should be proud of this team.The way they played, you know,
the the the guys, everybody laidit on the line.

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You know, you didn't you know that that's the the heart on
this team. You can't teach that.
So hope everybody comes, you know, every within reason, like
I hope they bring these guys back.
I hope we can run it back with mostly the same group of guys,
you know, maybe a couple additions, you know, in key
areas. But All in all, it was a great

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season and there's nothing to beashamed about.
We, you know, it sucks, but but yeah, I think, I think we can
definitely be back in and you just, you gotta be proud of what
this team did, man, that's all. I think we're gonna have we're
gonna get some big names with sausage.
I mean, besides Ball. I think we're gonna get another

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big name in this team. I just don't know who.
I think they're gonna get a big name and I think witnessing what
the Jays done this run is for this franchise is just the
beginning. Looking at the age depth you got
Kirk, he's only 26, just turned 27 I believe Flat is 26, Barger

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is 25, just commenced 30 with four years of control.
I mean, Lucas Schneider, they got so many guys coming in, the
Miners like they keep playing guys and you got your Savage
with more picture coming into the system.
So this team can build like whatthey did between 85 and 95.

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I could see a run like this. And now the question is where?
What they need, what do they need to do to get over the hump?
And that's going to be somethingthey're gonna have to figure out
in the offseason. But till next time, take care,
be kind to each other signing out from the Blue Jays Ave.
Podcast and let's hope for an incredible offseason and see

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where things go on well Friday, November 7th, 2025.

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Yeah.