January 21, 2025 • 34 mins
In this episode, the discussion revolves around the challenging dynamics of family interactions shaped by political beliefs, particularly in the context of the divisive American political landscape. The host recounts a personal story of a charged conversation with a cousin, which delved into topics like "wokeness," Trump's presidency, and broader societal issues. The episode explores how political affiliations can strain family relationships and the struggles of navigating these conversations with empathy and understanding. The narrative also touches on the broader implications of such divisions on societal cohesion and the quest for mutual respect amidst differing viewpoints. Guests: Andrea and Chiquita
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Hey listeners, we are back.
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Thanks for tuning back into the political portion of the podcast.
Really appreciate that.
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As you all know, a couple of weeks ago on the pod, I discussed a family encounter that
I had unexpectedly and I didn't really feel comfortable the way I handled it.
But anyway, just to the new guests, they might not have heard about it.
I was out of town visiting my uncle, my senior uncle.
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He's just about early stages of Alzheimer's, so I wanted to see him before.
This disease could go faster, it could go slow, nobody knows.
But anyway, I wanted to spend some time with him.
I grew up with his son, my cousin.
We lived in the neighborhood, so through our informative years, certainly high school
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days and everything.
So we were really tight, so really close.
But anyway, I was sitting there with my aunt and we were actually at the pool hanging out
and then we were going to have dinner with my uncle.
So my cousin called to say hi and just check in.
And so she passed me the phone and he sounded a little bit bummed or whatnot.
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Just wasn't his typical self.
But anyway, I just kind of went with it and tried to be cheery.
I was just my normal self.
Anyway, he got dark, he got really dark and he's just started going into this spiel about
woke and these effin' woke people.
It's ruining our culture and I'm the last of the man's man and you can't find a man
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like this.
And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
I'm like, first of all, I'm like, what do you mean by woke?
Before I comment or say something, what do you mean by woke?
What is that?
It was really off, I got caught off guard, but I didn't want to respond until I knew exactly,
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I wasn't sure what he meant.
I mean, in a general sense, I know what it means.
But anyway, he got frustrated because I was asking him and I was like, just say it.
What do you mean by that?
And he's like, I voted for fucking Trump.
Blah, blah, blah.
He just goes off on this, I'm a Trumper and I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
I'm like, okay, you know, I mean, so then he got my nerve up, of course.
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So that's why I didn't handle it as well as I wanted to handle it.
But I went to my corner and he went to his corner and I was just swinging.
I'm like, first of all, I'm like, when did you become a billionaire?
Are you a billionaire?
Is that why you like Trump?
You want those tax cuts, but that's for the billionaires and blah, blah, blah.
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So we kind of engaged.
And then I went into the abortion issue with him and what they're doing, they took the
rights away and all this.
And then I went into J6, January 6th.
I mean, this is appalling.
This is an insurrection.
This is treason.
And it was just horrific.
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And then finally, my aunt's like trying to grab the phone and then she's like, okay.
He's like, okay, you know, because I love you, I love you.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
Whatever.
And it was just like, blah.
But it was unbelievable.
So I come to find out.
So I started looking up woke.
What's the origins of woke?
And that certainly came from slavery and just like, enlighten people, understanding the
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nature of the gravity of the situation.
Or being empathetic to others.
You don't have to experience it.
It's not just understanding and being considerate of others.
Exactly.
Exactly.
No more than that.
You don't need to take it anywhere else, but just, you know, just extending that olive
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branch and under empathy.
Empathy.
Exactly.
And, you know, we just don't have that in our society right now with a lot of people,
a lot of citizens, unfortunately, and we need to return back to civility in that regard.
But anyway, I just, you know, I saw, you know, it seems like the right took over this word
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woke and turned it into this like super negative charged, anti-liberal, you know, that's, they
own the word now.
It's like, it's just, they have this whole vocabulary.
Half the time you don't understand what they're talking about.
It's just, it's really, and that's sad because we need to be communicating and solving some
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of our most pressing challenges as a society, as a, you know, as a human being, I mean,
with climate and all these other things.
And we're wasting all this time on, you know, just, I don't want to say nonsense, but I
do want to say nonsense.
Anyway, so, you know, I'd like to hear, you know, what you have to say in regards to experiences.
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And you know, it doesn't have to be family, it could be friends, and I know people who,
who stop talking because of the different, you know, sides of the, of the political spectrum,
unfortunately, and it shouldn't be like that.
But, you know, anyway, what's your experience with this?
You know, it's interesting because I went back to where I grew up in Midwest and Michigan
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a few weeks ago, and this topic has been very difficult for my family ever since I'd probably
say, I mean, during the Obama years, you know, I was riding on a high, obviously, living
in Chicago, I was in the Obama bubble.
But then once Trump was elected, it really caused a lot of issues for myself and then
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within my family with my one sister.
And so we discussed a little bit of politics and just our social differences, I should
say.
And you know, I think a lot of us who, who have, who know somebody, you know, we have
this struggle with whatever you want to call it, a Trump or, or red hat or conservative
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in your life, you know, we all kind of have the same experiences.
But what I found that we, we, we walked away from both of us is that the next day after
we spoke about it all night, we both said, we're so frustrated, disappointed and disgusted
that we don't believe each other.
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We don't believe the information.
If I were to say something to my sister, or when I did, there was a pause and it was,
well, I don't know if that's true.
And then it was where she can look for the information and she doesn't trust the news
source.
She doesn't trust a way to confirm or deny that information.
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So that is a huge problem.
Now, obviously I believe that came from Trump, you know, it came from, you know, the beginning
of his presidency with, you know, alternative facts.
And when they disputed the actual size of, you know, people who are there for his inauguration
and they told us what we were seeing and experiencing wasn't true.
So, and I put a lot of it towards that.
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But now with the emergence of, of AI and how they could doctor photos and videos and how
do you find the truth?
How do you, even when you want to, when you want to have a conversation with somebody
who you don't agree with, how do you move forward?
I don't know, I don't know the answer, but I know that, you know, I know that was the
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creation of this, the point of your podcast.
So I thank you for doing this because we want to be able to get together and actually have
a conversation.
It used to just be, don't talk politics, don't talk, you know, don't just don't discuss
religion, but that's not, it's not life.
We need to talk about it.
And so how do we do that?
Where do we, what source of information do we believe it?
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Yeah.
Team as the source.
Where is it going to be?
Is it going to be a school setting, education?
Is that, are we going to draw the line there?
It should be the universities.
If there's no reality around the facts, like what, what is truth, what's not?
So I'm, I'm totally fine with people that have a different opinion and mindset and all
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of it, but like, but if you can't have any, if they don't believe what you're saying and
vice versa, cause there's no fact checking or blah, blah, it's very frustrating.
Yeah.
You can't move anything.
You can't move.
There's no debate.
No, there's no, there's no nothing.
It's just, you make up a story, you make up this, if they're saying that's not true
and you can't prove it and, but it is true, but they just won't.
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I mean, it's, how do you prove the truth?
I mean, if, and so I, I was thinking after we had this conversation, the next, that
night and then the next morning I thought, okay, well, what if my sister and I were to
take a class together, like a college class at a community college and we would, even
if it was just like modern American history or, or let's just say it was, I don't even
care science.
I don't even care what it was.
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At what point, where's the line where she's going to not believe it?
Because she thinks everything is, you know, when I asked her how Trump did in the, in
the debate against Kamala, she wanted to say, well, he should have got some more zings and
he should have gone after her.
And I was like, no, no, no, no, no.
How do you think he did?
Was he able to get his point across?
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Was he able to address his, his plan?
Did he, did he explain what he wants to do and all it was was he should have went after
her more.
I mean, no, it's not, it's not a debate.
It's a debate isn't making fun of somebody else.
It's not getting a zing in there.
It's, was he able to convey what his, what he wants to do, his truth, his plan.
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And she couldn't even, I don't think she could even see that.
That's what something that we were supposed, that we're supposed to be doing.
What is her education level?
You know, she, it's unfortunate.
She, no, she went, graduated Michigan State University just like myself.
She worked, you know, in, in corporate America for a couple of years and until she was, you
started staying home with the kids.
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But you know, I,
So this is not uneducated.
No.
That's, I, I just, I, I, I, I want to hear that.
But you know what she is, but I, she's a woman of that I remember trying to figure out when
Trump was elected.
She was, she's part of that group.
She's part of that group where it's like you, you stand behind your man and you're, and
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you don't want to look, you want your man to be like your man.
Yeah.
And the man, she won't, won't admit this, but it's like the man wants her to look
a certain way and, and she wants to fly into that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Cause you know, there's other topics that we get into and, and even knowing that, that
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I'm gay, her sister, even that she, she still is out of the point of like, well, we have
our, we have our difference of opinions.
Like she doesn't even, it's like still with that, you know, like as if it's a quality,
you know, that's saying, well, like, you know, like a quality.
They say it's like pie.
It's not pie.
If you give somebody more rights that you don't get less, it's not that chocolate pie.
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Yeah.
Right.
I don't know what, I don't know.
I'm hoping we, there's some kind of answer.
We'll, we figure it out here.
Well, let me ask you this.
Does she, are these her thoughts or are these dictated from her husband?
Cause you're giving a scene with that way.
You're, you know what I mean?
Is it just blind?
There's plenty of women that just go with my husband.
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Okay.
No, I, I think it's that.
Okay.
All right.
So I think it is that I think it's, I, you know, she, she'll, she'll say a lot of things
like the boat.
Yeah.
She says a lot of things.
She'll, I've heard, she'll say, I've heard or I've seen and when I really dig it comes
down to, you know, it's Fox news or it's now X, but it's, she multiplies it and it's just
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like, I also think that they, those people that are in that middle America where they
politics hasn't hit them because they're not on the, like we're, we're gay.
So like, yeah, politics hits us.
I couldn't get married 20 years ago.
Right.
I've children, my children, I couldn't get legal right.
My name was not on the birth certificate.
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So there's things that other people just take from granted.
Yeah.
And they're not a marginalized group.
Yeah, every right we fight for, like it means something.
Sure.
Absolutely.
And so, but there's, I think there's a lot of women educated like myself, like all of
us who don't worry about things because they never had the policies have never hit them.
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It's bliss.
Hit them.
Sure.
Point where like we need to think about this.
So you know what, guess what they need to think about it now.
Like, because you don't, you don't think about it now because it's women's rights.
It's just, yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a four alarm fire here, man.
They don't think of it that way because it's like the man in the high castle when you don't,
if you're in a high enough position, you know, I, I, I hear you.
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Okay.
So I believe that and I believe, like you said, there's a lot of women that just kind
of are not in touch with politics.
They're like, Oh, well he is my husband has strong view.
I'll just, you know, or they don't vote.
Okay.
Or they don't.
They want to be in that position.
Oh, they like that.
But okay.
So this is, this is my hope is that there is a quiet woman's boat.
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Just for this, they're not going to be talking there, but when they go in that boat, in that
boating booth and pull that lever, you know, check that box.
Yeah.
It's like, I think you're going to, there's a quiet, a large, quiet woman's boat that's
going to come through.
Absolutely.
And then there's a vice president Harris over the finish line.
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That's, that's kind of what my thought is.
So I hope so.
So all right.
There's many out there.
They've had abortions in college.
They've had that like, they know people and I feel like it's glossed over.
They hide it, whatever.
Oh yeah.
They don't want to talk about that.
No, no.
So it's, and it, and even that's disrespectful.
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It's like, you know, I'd like to see if, you know, they got a right taken away with their
bodily function.
That's another topic for another time.
So well, well, thank you so much.
We're going to continue to talk about this because it is in everybody's family, you know,
friends, and the only way to get through that is to just talk about it.
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So we will stay on topic there.
The next discussion, what I'd like to touch on and just get feedback from the guests with
the subject of transgender.
I, you know, I must admit for myself, it's not something, you know, that I'm really tuned
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into.
I'm like, live and let live if it's, you know, if you're happy, you know, that's your search
for happiness and your true self.
I'm all about finding your true self and if that's what you need and under the doctor's
guidance and family and whatever, that's your own business.
Go for it.
But again, you know, not really, I haven't been tuned into the sensitivities of it.
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You know, I've been hearing, you know, like at the Olympics, you know, with the, with
the trans athletes, that was a really big issue there, you know, and I'm like, wow, this
is bubbling up and then the far right, I mean, this is like a serious issue.
I mean, they are so worried about those bathrooms in the schools, you know, like letting, you
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know, transgender go in there and then, you know, they're in an uproar about, you know,
if a family seeks a doctor's advice and the kid should have an elective surgery, then
again, once again, that's your personal decision, you know, you have control over your kid,
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your family, you, you know, you got to do what you got to do.
I'm like, again, live and let live.
I don't really think of it, but they go really on and on.
They're like, oh my God, this kid is just a child and how dare they, they're going to
switch his sexuality and, you know, maybe later in life, the guy is going to be, you
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know, they're, of course, it was in the man's situation.
So there's all kind of, you know, and I'm just trying to, again, I'm trying to see it
from their perspective that like, why are they so in an uproar about this?
But this is what it comes down to when you have a conversation or at least I did with
a family member.
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And this was the perspective.
And again, looking at, you know, sources back to the truth, you know, on their feeds, their,
you know, their, uh, TikTok and, you know, this is where they're getting their information.
And we all know that some of those can be really cesspools for really negative, um, energy
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on that.
But so anyway, so, and then, you know, the next, you know, level was this whole she, she,
they, them, you know, that, that really, you know, again, for me, I'm like, I'm not really,
you know, it doesn't really touch me, you know, on an everyday basis.
If it does come up, I understand what it is and whatnot, but they really went off the
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deep end on that.
I mean, it's just like, this was like a huge issue.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Did, did we move too fast as a society?
I mean, look how long it took the gays to finally get gay marriage.
I'm not, and I'm, again, I'm not, you know, I'm going to get, I'm going to probably get
a lot of listener, uh, male on this.
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Again, I'm just trying to talk about this and, uh, to learn, learn from, you know, my
guests of course and, and the listeners.
But anyway, I kind of feel like I went off on a rant.
Sorry about that.
But I just, you know, I just want to hear what you guys like, what do you, what do you
have to say about it?
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Well, I think I, and I could be completely wrong.
I mean, I'm lesbian, you know, I mean, I grew up where it was straight or gay or bisexual
and bisexual was only a way to being gay, you know, it was like the precursor.
I think it's just, you know, I've been to a few different cities or states that are,
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you know, there's swing.
I mean, it's been Arizona.
I went to Arizona to Las Vegas and Nevada and I was down in San Diego, even though it's
for California blue, but I noticed these ads and, you know, it was these huge, the words
they, them, you know, Kamala is for they, them, not you.
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And I was like, what is the, what is the big deal?
And I think it's because it's so, it strikes like such like a, like at the manly core and
it's so extreme in their minds that that's where they do it because really again, it
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goes back to that pie.
Like, why does it matter?
Why does it matter so much?
You know, and I always find it interesting is that not saying everybody who's conservative
or Republican is religious by any means or I should say Christian, but I do feel like
a lot of them are.
And I find it very interesting because I, I, I couldn't feel further away from any kind
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of organized religion yet.
I care about all species, whether they're humans or animals or whatever it may be.
And I find it interesting for those that quote the Bible the most or my family members who
go to church on a weekly basis, they're the ones who are not accepting of others.
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And it's just really about acceptance.
It really comes down to that.
Why does it really matter?
I, that's it.
I don't understand.
I don't understand either.
Like that's to me, just mind your own fucking business.
It doesn't affect you mind your own business.
And the children, like so my kids 18 and 21.
And since they're 10, 12 years ago, whatever grade, they're so open, like it's about, oh,
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this one is, they don't, the younger generation, which is beautiful and I hope this stays this
way.
They don't care.
They're like gender fluid.
They're they, they're this, they're she, they're he, it's wonderful.
They, I mean, it's doesn't matter who you are.
Like that's the point of it is like no one gets, you don't choose.
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Like you are like you, whatever you feel.
So the judgment that comes from adults and all these people like, why does it matter
to your point?
It's not taking away anyone's life.
If someone says if they were a she, another he, why does it matter?
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And I met the most beautiful little child at one of my daughter's birthday parties.
Probably, probably five year old birthday party.
And his name was Grayson, like my son.
And now he's Grace.
He was wearing a tutu, just like the rest of the girls.
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He was participating like just the rest of the girls.
And his mother said to me, he's the happiest he's ever been.
He's five years old.
She's like, that's who he needs to be.
That's him.
That's Grace.
I'm like, nothing better.
She's like, he was unhappy.
Like the dresser was a boy.
Of course, yeah.
He's five years old.
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He is now with a group of girls.
I'm like, that's the most beautiful thing.
Wow.
You've seen that with your own eyes.
No, lived it.
Yes.
All the time.
Yes.
What a beautiful story.
And the fact that his name's Grayson, which was my son's Grayson, but he's now Grace.
He's now Grace.
Now Grace, he's wearing the tutu.
They all have these tutus on.
He was so happy.
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So beautiful.
And she's like, he can express himself.
Like he's, he's, wow.
Yeah.
He's before he was just not that.
So like, you know what?
You just want people to be happy.
That's really what it is.
Live and let live.
Well, you know what's interesting.
That's how I grew up.
Live and let live.
You know what I find interesting?
What?
Which takes it to a whole other level, which I don't even know if this pod has enough
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room for it right now.
But it's sad.
What?
You know, the whole idea of genderfying anything, whether it's genderfying clothing or genderfying
words, you know, tutu for us right here on this panel, we're going to say that's female
girls would wear.
And so if somebody wants to wear a tutu, that must mean that they are a female or they want
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to be a female.
But in actuality, why do we even put gender on the tutu?
Tutu and it just is a tutu and whoever wears it wears it, whether that's makeup or that's
nails or that's certain words we use.
And that's, I'm hoping we're able to see that in our life where things, when you're, once
you remove the gender from, from things that don't shouldn't be genderfied, obviously gets
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a little weird and our mind gets kind of a little bit thrown off, but really then you
don't need to worry about anything else.
There's no, there's nothing because you're just yourself.
And if you wear something or do something or like something, that's as you liked it.
It doesn't define you.
Eyeliner doesn't mean that you're a female or you're feminine or you're a lesbian or
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you're straight or you're girly.
It just means you like your eyes.
I didn't want to wear a dress by age four and my parents were like, no problem.
And I want to dress like my brother wore the football shirts, the baseball shirts, but they
got it.
They were like, and of course they didn't know I was gay then, but they're literally like,
wear whatever you want to wear.
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Which is amazing to have that and to progress over your time.
We're talking way back.
Yeah, that was the sixties.
Yeah.
100%.
My mom's like, sure, baby, you go, where, where that?
My mom tried to fight me with it and I'm like, absolutely not wearing the dress.
I am going to climb over you and playing baseball at the birthday party.
So I cannot wear a dress.
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How old were you when you started saying that?
I would have to be like six or seven.
And both of you, Bravo for both of you because that's, I rejected it.
It's the time where people didn't support that.
It's not functional for me.
You don't understand.
Hey, you were in your beginning stages of lesbianism, which is in fashion function over
fashion, baby.
The tomboy thing.
Yeah, yeah.
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Exactly.
Exactly.
My father, he passed away in 2019, but a couple of years before that he was saying, like,
we'd talk because I have kids, like, so I was getting advice on my kids and so forth.
And he's like, you know, like, he's like, once you just said you didn't want to wear
a dress, he's just realized, he's like, he's like, that was important that you don't wear
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the dress.
He didn't know it was gay, but obviously it was four or five.
But he's like, he's like, I accepted that.
He's like, then I realized, like, that's just not you.
So I never questioned it again.
It was very much like, which is amazing.
She told you, you know, like, yeah, you told them, like, and they was like, yeah, which
is beautiful.
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And my mom being like, don't wear the dress.
No, no need.
Yeah.
Which I don't think a lot of people have.
I don't think a lot of people have that.
And I, you know, we have society impacts us and our family impacts us traditions impact
us.
But going back to the transgender and the movement through the society, do you think
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we pushed too far though?
You know what I mean?
It's like, you could say that about everything.
I mean, I think Obama, Obama pushed us, I think a lot further than we expected.
In terms of what?
I mean, in a lot of areas, but what?
I think everything with everything.
I don't think it wasn't a big deal.
I mean, even though I'm like, of course I'm in Chicago.
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I'm like, I mean, I loved Obama.
We got gay marriage.
But I was like, oh my God, a black man.
But then like, I don't think I realized how bad the, the right, the, the white powerful
man was not ready for that, especially two terms for the freak out.
The whole everybody progressiveness that came along with that.
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And not only was he, it was intelligent black man.
He was younger, black man.
He was like, it was a whole thing.
And then they were like, wait, two terms of this.
So the pendulum swung way too far to the left.
It's a backlash.
It's a backlash.
Right.
And so for Obama, right.
What's interesting is that my sister said to me, she believes that he started the race
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war, not Trump, but that Obama getting into office and pushing it in our face, which ironically
is the same thing she says to me when I was to wear equality, women, sorry, marriage equality
t-shirts, I was wearing those, which is like so crazy to think that we already have marriage.
But I wore those back and I think that was like, when I was at 2008, 2009, I worked our
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family reunion, I wore that t-shirt and she's like, you're pushing it, you're shoving it
down our throats.
And I'm like, all I'm doing is wearing a t-shirt, but that's shoving it in your face, which
they felt like Obama was because he was making saying, Hey, we're going to be equal.
You're going to be equal black, white, whatever you are, you're going to be equal, gay, straight.
That was shoving it.
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So the trends when you say is it too far?
It's how do you slow the, how do you slow the progression down?
Yeah.
Because there's, you know what?
There's a lot of kids who are younger than us who don't think that we're progressing
enough.
They don't think Kamala is progressive enough.
Yeah.
No, well, she's playing to the center to get.
Well, what are you going to, who's progressive enough?
Cause you know, I mean, I understand that you, you know, a society, I mean, it's as a whole,
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it's hard to like move them, you know, it's, it's really hard.
So we're in California.
It's very, very hard.
Yeah.
And we don't, in our vote, doesn't matter.
Yeah.
I just think it's hard to understand the, where I grew up in Vermont, the whole trans,
it didn't, I don't know, none of it really mattered.
It was so, it was so progressive.
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People in high school that were cross-dressing seriously in high school and it just never,
in my family, there's never issues with, first of all, being gay, trans or different.
It's really hard for me to understand where these people come from, where they're.
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It's bothering them so much.
Yeah.
I don't understand it.
I can't.
So again, hear me out.
It's like, so you used Obama, the backlash, which is natural.
So this transgender pushing the she, he, they and, and just, you know, and then the athletes
and, you know, the bathrooms.
Yeah, the bathrooms and the athletes.
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So, you know, the backlash to that, to transgender is that they're like removing books from the
children's library, from the public libraries and the schools.
They're removing the books.
And not even just trans.
It's also, oh no, it's just catcher of the rise.
Right.
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It's like catcher of the rise.
Oh my God.
Don't teach, don't teach the history of the horror of what we did.
Yeah, slavery.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah, of the American, you know, the civil war, man.
I mean, it's like, so that's a serious backlash.
So, and I do think people need to talk about it.
I mean, because you have to understand, you know, I'm trying, I'm really trying really
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hard to understand that, you know, the, how much it bothers them is just, I can't.
And why it bothers them?
I think though, I feel like, you know, I need to talk to one of them and find out.
I feel like more of its talking points though.
It was a day, is it just the, the, the, the God, you know, like religion, I'm sure that
I just think, I assume that it's all religious based.
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I think it's the, I think it's the outrage.
It's something that they could, they could unite everybody on and, and get people activated.
It's that red, and they want that red meat to throw to the base that makes them outraged.
And who doesn't want to, who doesn't want to yell and scream at some, that they think
is like, oh, some, you know, they're going to say like Tranny, you know, whatever, emasculated
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man or some, you know, butch in their mind, female that they could make it.
I don't, I don't think it's always a talk.
I feel like there's, there's fear of like the unknown for those people.
So it's like, like immigrants, people are different, people in different color, people
are gay, trans, they're just, aren't accepting of anything different.
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All they know, they grew up in the same place.
They live in the same place and they don't want anything to change and that this is how
it should be.
And it's too much?
There's, yeah, and then you've got people coming from different countries, you have
people who are, it's a sad fact that they just, they're scared.
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And then Trump, Trump just feeds that.
The fear.
It's fear of everything.
There's no validity to any of it.
There's no truth to it.
No drag queen is going to take your job.
It's not, your child is not going to be like, I now want to be gay because I want to get
a drag queen.
I want to be a drag queen.
Yeah, but the thing is, you all, it's a, it's a, it's a tale as all this time, you know,
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is, it's the playbook of Hitler, which he, you know, he got the playbook from America
with blacks is you always put down somebody else.
And no matter how low you are and how poor you are and how bad you have it, you, you
blame it on someone else, whether it was the Jews, the dirty Jews or it's a black people.
I mean, I'm Irish.
My wife came over and all of us.
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All of us are, all of us are from that.
But if you can, you can be in a horrible position, but there's always somebody who has it worse.
And opposed to being those same people who go to church on Sunday and helping out that
leper or that unemployed person, they're the first ones to point out they're dirty and
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nasty and they, they have 14 kids on welfare, but don't have an abortion, but don't take
care of them.
All right.
People, I'm, I'm reeling you guys in here.
Any final thoughts or predictions before we say goodbye and sign off until next week.
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Final thoughts are like just think positive.
Like everyone should be themselves and embrace yourself, be who you are.
That's all.
Sounds great.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, thank you listeners.
I'm just so happy you could help out and we had some fun until next time.
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Cheers.
Bye
Hey listeners, we are back.
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Thanks for tuning back into the political portion of the podcast.
Really appreciate that.
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As you all know, a couple of weeks ago on the pod, I discussed a family encounter that
I had unexpectedly and I didn't really feel comfortable the way I handled it.
But anyway, just to the new guests, they might not have heard about it.
I was out of town visiting my uncle, my senior uncle.
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He's just about early stages of Alzheimer's, so I wanted to see him before.
This disease could go faster, it could go slow, nobody knows.
But anyway, I wanted to spend some time with him.
I grew up with his son, my cousin.
We lived in the neighborhood, so through our informative years, certainly high school
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days and everything.
So we were really tight, so really close.
But anyway, I was sitting there with my aunt and we were actually at the pool hanging out
and then we were going to have dinner with my uncle.
So my cousin called to say hi and just check in.
And so she passed me the phone and he sounded a little bit bummed or whatnot.
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Just wasn't his typical self.
But anyway, I just kind of went with it and tried to be cheery.
I was just my normal self.
Anyway, he got dark, he got really dark and he's just started going into this spiel about
woke and these effin' woke people.
It's ruining our culture and I'm the last of the man's man and you can't find a man
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like this.
And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
I'm like, first of all, I'm like, what do you mean by woke?
Before I comment or say something, what do you mean by woke?
What is that?
It was really off, I got caught off guard, but I didn't want to respond until I knew exactly,
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I wasn't sure what he meant.
I mean, in a general sense, I know what it means.
But anyway, he got frustrated because I was asking him and I was like, just say it.
What do you mean by that?
And he's like, I voted for fucking Trump.
Blah, blah, blah.
He just goes off on this, I'm a Trumper and I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
I'm like, okay, you know, I mean, so then he got my nerve up, of course.
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So that's why I didn't handle it as well as I wanted to handle it.
But I went to my corner and he went to his corner and I was just swinging.
I'm like, first of all, I'm like, when did you become a billionaire?
Are you a billionaire?
Is that why you like Trump?
You want those tax cuts, but that's for the billionaires and blah, blah, blah.
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So we kind of engaged.
And then I went into the abortion issue with him and what they're doing, they took the
rights away and all this.
And then I went into J6, January 6th.
I mean, this is appalling.
This is an insurrection.
This is treason.
And it was just horrific.
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And then finally, my aunt's like trying to grab the phone and then she's like, okay.
He's like, okay, you know, because I love you, I love you.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
Whatever.
And it was just like, blah.
But it was unbelievable.
So I come to find out.
So I started looking up woke.
What's the origins of woke?
And that certainly came from slavery and just like, enlighten people, understanding the
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nature of the gravity of the situation.
Or being empathetic to others.
You don't have to experience it.
It's not just understanding and being considerate of others.
Exactly.
Exactly.
No more than that.
You don't need to take it anywhere else, but just, you know, just extending that olive
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branch and under empathy.
Empathy.
Exactly.
And, you know, we just don't have that in our society right now with a lot of people,
a lot of citizens, unfortunately, and we need to return back to civility in that regard.
But anyway, I just, you know, I saw, you know, it seems like the right took over this word
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woke and turned it into this like super negative charged, anti-liberal, you know, that's, they
own the word now.
It's like, it's just, they have this whole vocabulary.
Half the time you don't understand what they're talking about.
It's just, it's really, and that's sad because we need to be communicating and solving some
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of our most pressing challenges as a society, as a, you know, as a human being, I mean,
with climate and all these other things.
And we're wasting all this time on, you know, just, I don't want to say nonsense, but I
do want to say nonsense.
Anyway, so, you know, I'd like to hear, you know, what you have to say in regards to experiences.
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And you know, it doesn't have to be family, it could be friends, and I know people who,
who stop talking because of the different, you know, sides of the, of the political spectrum,
unfortunately, and it shouldn't be like that.
But, you know, anyway, what's your experience with this?
You know, it's interesting because I went back to where I grew up in Midwest and Michigan
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a few weeks ago, and this topic has been very difficult for my family ever since I'd probably
say, I mean, during the Obama years, you know, I was riding on a high, obviously, living
in Chicago, I was in the Obama bubble.
But then once Trump was elected, it really caused a lot of issues for myself and then
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within my family with my one sister.
And so we discussed a little bit of politics and just our social differences, I should
say.
And you know, I think a lot of us who, who have, who know somebody, you know, we have
this struggle with whatever you want to call it, a Trump or, or red hat or conservative
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in your life, you know, we all kind of have the same experiences.
But what I found that we, we, we walked away from both of us is that the next day after
we spoke about it all night, we both said, we're so frustrated, disappointed and disgusted
that we don't believe each other.
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We don't believe the information.
If I were to say something to my sister, or when I did, there was a pause and it was,
well, I don't know if that's true.
And then it was where she can look for the information and she doesn't trust the news
source.
She doesn't trust a way to confirm or deny that information.
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So that is a huge problem.
Now, obviously I believe that came from Trump, you know, it came from, you know, the beginning
of his presidency with, you know, alternative facts.
And when they disputed the actual size of, you know, people who are there for his inauguration
and they told us what we were seeing and experiencing wasn't true.
So, and I put a lot of it towards that.
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But now with the emergence of, of AI and how they could doctor photos and videos and how
do you find the truth?
How do you, even when you want to, when you want to have a conversation with somebody
who you don't agree with, how do you move forward?
I don't know, I don't know the answer, but I know that, you know, I know that was the
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creation of this, the point of your podcast.
So I thank you for doing this because we want to be able to get together and actually have
a conversation.
It used to just be, don't talk politics, don't talk, you know, don't just don't discuss
religion, but that's not, it's not life.
We need to talk about it.
And so how do we do that?
Where do we, what source of information do we believe it?
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Yeah.
Team as the source.
Where is it going to be?
Is it going to be a school setting, education?
Is that, are we going to draw the line there?
It should be the universities.
If there's no reality around the facts, like what, what is truth, what's not?
So I'm, I'm totally fine with people that have a different opinion and mindset and all
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of it, but like, but if you can't have any, if they don't believe what you're saying and
vice versa, cause there's no fact checking or blah, blah, it's very frustrating.
Yeah.
You can't move anything.
You can't move.
There's no debate.
No, there's no, there's no nothing.
It's just, you make up a story, you make up this, if they're saying that's not true
and you can't prove it and, but it is true, but they just won't.
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I mean, it's, how do you prove the truth?
I mean, if, and so I, I was thinking after we had this conversation, the next, that
night and then the next morning I thought, okay, well, what if my sister and I were to
take a class together, like a college class at a community college and we would, even
if it was just like modern American history or, or let's just say it was, I don't even
care science.
I don't even care what it was.
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At what point, where's the line where she's going to not believe it?
Because she thinks everything is, you know, when I asked her how Trump did in the, in
the debate against Kamala, she wanted to say, well, he should have got some more zings and
he should have gone after her.
And I was like, no, no, no, no, no.
How do you think he did?
Was he able to get his point across?
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Was he able to address his, his plan?
Did he, did he explain what he wants to do and all it was was he should have went after
her more.
I mean, no, it's not, it's not a debate.
It's a debate isn't making fun of somebody else.
It's not getting a zing in there.
It's, was he able to convey what his, what he wants to do, his truth, his plan.
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And she couldn't even, I don't think she could even see that.
That's what something that we were supposed, that we're supposed to be doing.
What is her education level?
You know, she, it's unfortunate.
She, no, she went, graduated Michigan State University just like myself.
She worked, you know, in, in corporate America for a couple of years and until she was, you
started staying home with the kids.
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But you know, I,
So this is not uneducated.
No.
That's, I, I just, I, I, I, I want to hear that.
But you know what she is, but I, she's a woman of that I remember trying to figure out when
Trump was elected.
She was, she's part of that group.
She's part of that group where it's like you, you stand behind your man and you're, and
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you don't want to look, you want your man to be like your man.
Yeah.
And the man, she won't, won't admit this, but it's like the man wants her to look
a certain way and, and she wants to fly into that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Cause you know, there's other topics that we get into and, and even knowing that, that
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I'm gay, her sister, even that she, she still is out of the point of like, well, we have
our, we have our difference of opinions.
Like she doesn't even, it's like still with that, you know, like as if it's a quality,
you know, that's saying, well, like, you know, like a quality.
They say it's like pie.
It's not pie.
If you give somebody more rights that you don't get less, it's not that chocolate pie.
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Yeah.
Right.
I don't know what, I don't know.
I'm hoping we, there's some kind of answer.
We'll, we figure it out here.
Well, let me ask you this.
Does she, are these her thoughts or are these dictated from her husband?
Cause you're giving a scene with that way.
You're, you know what I mean?
Is it just blind?
There's plenty of women that just go with my husband.
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Okay.
No, I, I think it's that.
Okay.
All right.
So I think it is that I think it's, I, you know, she, she'll, she'll say a lot of things
like the boat.
Yeah.
She says a lot of things.
She'll, I've heard, she'll say, I've heard or I've seen and when I really dig it comes
down to, you know, it's Fox news or it's now X, but it's, she multiplies it and it's just
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like, I also think that they, those people that are in that middle America where they
politics hasn't hit them because they're not on the, like we're, we're gay.
So like, yeah, politics hits us.
I couldn't get married 20 years ago.
Right.
I've children, my children, I couldn't get legal right.
My name was not on the birth certificate.
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So there's things that other people just take from granted.
Yeah.
And they're not a marginalized group.
Yeah, every right we fight for, like it means something.
Sure.
Absolutely.
And so, but there's, I think there's a lot of women educated like myself, like all of
us who don't worry about things because they never had the policies have never hit them.
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It's bliss.
Hit them.
Sure.
Point where like we need to think about this.
So you know what, guess what they need to think about it now.
Like, because you don't, you don't think about it now because it's women's rights.
It's just, yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a four alarm fire here, man.
They don't think of it that way because it's like the man in the high castle when you don't,
if you're in a high enough position, you know, I, I, I hear you.
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Okay.
So I believe that and I believe, like you said, there's a lot of women that just kind
of are not in touch with politics.
They're like, Oh, well he is my husband has strong view.
I'll just, you know, or they don't vote.
Okay.
Or they don't.
They want to be in that position.
Oh, they like that.
But okay.
So this is, this is my hope is that there is a quiet woman's boat.
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Just for this, they're not going to be talking there, but when they go in that boat, in that
boating booth and pull that lever, you know, check that box.
Yeah.
It's like, I think you're going to, there's a quiet, a large, quiet woman's boat that's
going to come through.
Absolutely.
And then there's a vice president Harris over the finish line.
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That's, that's kind of what my thought is.
So I hope so.
So all right.
There's many out there.
They've had abortions in college.
They've had that like, they know people and I feel like it's glossed over.
They hide it, whatever.
Oh yeah.
They don't want to talk about that.
No, no.
So it's, and it, and even that's disrespectful.
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It's like, you know, I'd like to see if, you know, they got a right taken away with their
bodily function.
That's another topic for another time.
So well, well, thank you so much.
We're going to continue to talk about this because it is in everybody's family, you know,
friends, and the only way to get through that is to just talk about it.
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So we will stay on topic there.
The next discussion, what I'd like to touch on and just get feedback from the guests with
the subject of transgender.
I, you know, I must admit for myself, it's not something, you know, that I'm really tuned
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into.
I'm like, live and let live if it's, you know, if you're happy, you know, that's your search
for happiness and your true self.
I'm all about finding your true self and if that's what you need and under the doctor's
guidance and family and whatever, that's your own business.
Go for it.
But again, you know, not really, I haven't been tuned into the sensitivities of it.
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You know, I've been hearing, you know, like at the Olympics, you know, with the, with
the trans athletes, that was a really big issue there, you know, and I'm like, wow, this
is bubbling up and then the far right, I mean, this is like a serious issue.
I mean, they are so worried about those bathrooms in the schools, you know, like letting, you
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know, transgender go in there and then, you know, they're in an uproar about, you know,
if a family seeks a doctor's advice and the kid should have an elective surgery, then
again, once again, that's your personal decision, you know, you have control over your kid,
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your family, you, you know, you got to do what you got to do.
I'm like, again, live and let live.
I don't really think of it, but they go really on and on.
They're like, oh my God, this kid is just a child and how dare they, they're going to
switch his sexuality and, you know, maybe later in life, the guy is going to be, you
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know, they're, of course, it was in the man's situation.
So there's all kind of, you know, and I'm just trying to, again, I'm trying to see it
from their perspective that like, why are they so in an uproar about this?
But this is what it comes down to when you have a conversation or at least I did with
a family member.
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And this was the perspective.
And again, looking at, you know, sources back to the truth, you know, on their feeds, their,
you know, their, uh, TikTok and, you know, this is where they're getting their information.
And we all know that some of those can be really cesspools for really negative, um, energy
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on that.
But so anyway, so, and then, you know, the next, you know, level was this whole she, she,
they, them, you know, that, that really, you know, again, for me, I'm like, I'm not really,
you know, it doesn't really touch me, you know, on an everyday basis.
If it does come up, I understand what it is and whatnot, but they really went off the
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deep end on that.
I mean, it's just like, this was like a huge issue.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Did, did we move too fast as a society?
I mean, look how long it took the gays to finally get gay marriage.
I'm not, and I'm, again, I'm not, you know, I'm going to get, I'm going to probably get
a lot of listener, uh, male on this.
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Again, I'm just trying to talk about this and, uh, to learn, learn from, you know, my
guests of course and, and the listeners.
But anyway, I kind of feel like I went off on a rant.
Sorry about that.
But I just, you know, I just want to hear what you guys like, what do you, what do you
have to say about it?
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Well, I think I, and I could be completely wrong.
I mean, I'm lesbian, you know, I mean, I grew up where it was straight or gay or bisexual
and bisexual was only a way to being gay, you know, it was like the precursor.
I think it's just, you know, I've been to a few different cities or states that are,
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you know, there's swing.
I mean, it's been Arizona.
I went to Arizona to Las Vegas and Nevada and I was down in San Diego, even though it's
for California blue, but I noticed these ads and, you know, it was these huge, the words
they, them, you know, Kamala is for they, them, not you.
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And I was like, what is the, what is the big deal?
And I think it's because it's so, it strikes like such like a, like at the manly core and
it's so extreme in their minds that that's where they do it because really again, it
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goes back to that pie.
Like, why does it matter?
Why does it matter so much?
You know, and I always find it interesting is that not saying everybody who's conservative
or Republican is religious by any means or I should say Christian, but I do feel like
a lot of them are.
And I find it very interesting because I, I, I couldn't feel further away from any kind
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of organized religion yet.
I care about all species, whether they're humans or animals or whatever it may be.
And I find it interesting for those that quote the Bible the most or my family members who
go to church on a weekly basis, they're the ones who are not accepting of others.
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And it's just really about acceptance.
It really comes down to that.
Why does it really matter?
I, that's it.
I don't understand.
I don't understand either.
Like that's to me, just mind your own fucking business.
It doesn't affect you mind your own business.
And the children, like so my kids 18 and 21.
And since they're 10, 12 years ago, whatever grade, they're so open, like it's about, oh,
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this one is, they don't, the younger generation, which is beautiful and I hope this stays this
way.
They don't care.
They're like gender fluid.
They're they, they're this, they're she, they're he, it's wonderful.
They, I mean, it's doesn't matter who you are.
Like that's the point of it is like no one gets, you don't choose.
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Like you are like you, whatever you feel.
So the judgment that comes from adults and all these people like, why does it matter
to your point?
It's not taking away anyone's life.
If someone says if they were a she, another he, why does it matter?
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And I met the most beautiful little child at one of my daughter's birthday parties.
Probably, probably five year old birthday party.
And his name was Grayson, like my son.
And now he's Grace.
He was wearing a tutu, just like the rest of the girls.
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He was participating like just the rest of the girls.
And his mother said to me, he's the happiest he's ever been.
He's five years old.
She's like, that's who he needs to be.
That's him.
That's Grace.
I'm like, nothing better.
She's like, he was unhappy.
Like the dresser was a boy.
Of course, yeah.
He's five years old.
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He is now with a group of girls.
I'm like, that's the most beautiful thing.
Wow.
You've seen that with your own eyes.
No, lived it.
Yes.
All the time.
Yes.
What a beautiful story.
And the fact that his name's Grayson, which was my son's Grayson, but he's now Grace.
He's now Grace.
Now Grace, he's wearing the tutu.
They all have these tutus on.
He was so happy.
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So beautiful.
And she's like, he can express himself.
Like he's, he's, wow.
Yeah.
He's before he was just not that.
So like, you know what?
You just want people to be happy.
That's really what it is.
Live and let live.
Well, you know what's interesting.
That's how I grew up.
Live and let live.
You know what I find interesting?
What?
Which takes it to a whole other level, which I don't even know if this pod has enough
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room for it right now.
But it's sad.
What?
You know, the whole idea of genderfying anything, whether it's genderfying clothing or genderfying
words, you know, tutu for us right here on this panel, we're going to say that's female
girls would wear.
And so if somebody wants to wear a tutu, that must mean that they are a female or they want
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to be a female.
But in actuality, why do we even put gender on the tutu?
Tutu and it just is a tutu and whoever wears it wears it, whether that's makeup or that's
nails or that's certain words we use.
And that's, I'm hoping we're able to see that in our life where things, when you're, once
you remove the gender from, from things that don't shouldn't be genderfied, obviously gets
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a little weird and our mind gets kind of a little bit thrown off, but really then you
don't need to worry about anything else.
There's no, there's nothing because you're just yourself.
And if you wear something or do something or like something, that's as you liked it.
It doesn't define you.
Eyeliner doesn't mean that you're a female or you're feminine or you're a lesbian or
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you're straight or you're girly.
It just means you like your eyes.
I didn't want to wear a dress by age four and my parents were like, no problem.
And I want to dress like my brother wore the football shirts, the baseball shirts, but they
got it.
They were like, and of course they didn't know I was gay then, but they're literally like,
wear whatever you want to wear.
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Which is amazing to have that and to progress over your time.
We're talking way back.
Yeah, that was the sixties.
Yeah.
100%.
My mom's like, sure, baby, you go, where, where that?
My mom tried to fight me with it and I'm like, absolutely not wearing the dress.
I am going to climb over you and playing baseball at the birthday party.
So I cannot wear a dress.
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How old were you when you started saying that?
I would have to be like six or seven.
And both of you, Bravo for both of you because that's, I rejected it.
It's the time where people didn't support that.
It's not functional for me.
You don't understand.
Hey, you were in your beginning stages of lesbianism, which is in fashion function over
fashion, baby.
The tomboy thing.
Yeah, yeah.
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Exactly.
Exactly.
My father, he passed away in 2019, but a couple of years before that he was saying, like,
we'd talk because I have kids, like, so I was getting advice on my kids and so forth.
And he's like, you know, like, he's like, once you just said you didn't want to wear
a dress, he's just realized, he's like, he's like, that was important that you don't wear
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the dress.
He didn't know it was gay, but obviously it was four or five.
But he's like, he's like, I accepted that.
He's like, then I realized, like, that's just not you.
So I never questioned it again.
It was very much like, which is amazing.
She told you, you know, like, yeah, you told them, like, and they was like, yeah, which
is beautiful.
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And my mom being like, don't wear the dress.
No, no need.
Yeah.
Which I don't think a lot of people have.
I don't think a lot of people have that.
And I, you know, we have society impacts us and our family impacts us traditions impact
us.
But going back to the transgender and the movement through the society, do you think
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we pushed too far though?
You know what I mean?
It's like, you could say that about everything.
I mean, I think Obama, Obama pushed us, I think a lot further than we expected.
In terms of what?
I mean, in a lot of areas, but what?
I think everything with everything.
I don't think it wasn't a big deal.
I mean, even though I'm like, of course I'm in Chicago.
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I'm like, I mean, I loved Obama.
We got gay marriage.
But I was like, oh my God, a black man.
But then like, I don't think I realized how bad the, the right, the, the white powerful
man was not ready for that, especially two terms for the freak out.
The whole everybody progressiveness that came along with that.
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And not only was he, it was intelligent black man.
He was younger, black man.
He was like, it was a whole thing.
And then they were like, wait, two terms of this.
So the pendulum swung way too far to the left.
It's a backlash.
It's a backlash.
Right.
And so for Obama, right.
What's interesting is that my sister said to me, she believes that he started the race
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war, not Trump, but that Obama getting into office and pushing it in our face, which ironically
is the same thing she says to me when I was to wear equality, women, sorry, marriage equality
t-shirts, I was wearing those, which is like so crazy to think that we already have marriage.
But I wore those back and I think that was like, when I was at 2008, 2009, I worked our
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family reunion, I wore that t-shirt and she's like, you're pushing it, you're shoving it
down our throats.
And I'm like, all I'm doing is wearing a t-shirt, but that's shoving it in your face, which
they felt like Obama was because he was making saying, Hey, we're going to be equal.
You're going to be equal black, white, whatever you are, you're going to be equal, gay, straight.
That was shoving it.
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So the trends when you say is it too far?
It's how do you slow the, how do you slow the progression down?
Yeah.
Because there's, you know what?
There's a lot of kids who are younger than us who don't think that we're progressing
enough.
They don't think Kamala is progressive enough.
Yeah.
No, well, she's playing to the center to get.
Well, what are you going to, who's progressive enough?
Cause you know, I mean, I understand that you, you know, a society, I mean, it's as a whole,
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it's hard to like move them, you know, it's, it's really hard.
So we're in California.
It's very, very hard.
Yeah.
And we don't, in our vote, doesn't matter.
Yeah.
I just think it's hard to understand the, where I grew up in Vermont, the whole trans,
it didn't, I don't know, none of it really mattered.
It was so, it was so progressive.
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People in high school that were cross-dressing seriously in high school and it just never,
in my family, there's never issues with, first of all, being gay, trans or different.
It's really hard for me to understand where these people come from, where they're.
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It's bothering them so much.
Yeah.
I don't understand it.
I can't.
So again, hear me out.
It's like, so you used Obama, the backlash, which is natural.
So this transgender pushing the she, he, they and, and just, you know, and then the athletes
and, you know, the bathrooms.
Yeah, the bathrooms and the athletes.
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So, you know, the backlash to that, to transgender is that they're like removing books from the
children's library, from the public libraries and the schools.
They're removing the books.
And not even just trans.
It's also, oh no, it's just catcher of the rise.
Right.
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It's like catcher of the rise.
Oh my God.
Don't teach, don't teach the history of the horror of what we did.
Yeah, slavery.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah, of the American, you know, the civil war, man.
I mean, it's like, so that's a serious backlash.
So, and I do think people need to talk about it.
I mean, because you have to understand, you know, I'm trying, I'm really trying really
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hard to understand that, you know, the, how much it bothers them is just, I can't.
And why it bothers them?
I think though, I feel like, you know, I need to talk to one of them and find out.
I feel like more of its talking points though.
It was a day, is it just the, the, the, the God, you know, like religion, I'm sure that
I just think, I assume that it's all religious based.
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I think it's the, I think it's the outrage.
It's something that they could, they could unite everybody on and, and get people activated.
It's that red, and they want that red meat to throw to the base that makes them outraged.
And who doesn't want to, who doesn't want to yell and scream at some, that they think
is like, oh, some, you know, they're going to say like Tranny, you know, whatever, emasculated
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man or some, you know, butch in their mind, female that they could make it.
I don't, I don't think it's always a talk.
I feel like there's, there's fear of like the unknown for those people.
So it's like, like immigrants, people are different, people in different color, people
are gay, trans, they're just, aren't accepting of anything different.
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All they know, they grew up in the same place.
They live in the same place and they don't want anything to change and that this is how
it should be.
And it's too much?
There's, yeah, and then you've got people coming from different countries, you have
people who are, it's a sad fact that they just, they're scared.
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And then Trump, Trump just feeds that.
The fear.
It's fear of everything.
There's no validity to any of it.
There's no truth to it.
No drag queen is going to take your job.
It's not, your child is not going to be like, I now want to be gay because I want to get
a drag queen.
I want to be a drag queen.
Yeah, but the thing is, you all, it's a, it's a, it's a tale as all this time, you know,
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is, it's the playbook of Hitler, which he, you know, he got the playbook from America
with blacks is you always put down somebody else.
And no matter how low you are and how poor you are and how bad you have it, you, you
blame it on someone else, whether it was the Jews, the dirty Jews or it's a black people.
I mean, I'm Irish.
My wife came over and all of us.
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All of us are, all of us are from that.
But if you can, you can be in a horrible position, but there's always somebody who has it worse.
And opposed to being those same people who go to church on Sunday and helping out that
leper or that unemployed person, they're the first ones to point out they're dirty and
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nasty and they, they have 14 kids on welfare, but don't have an abortion, but don't take
care of them.
All right.
People, I'm, I'm reeling you guys in here.
Any final thoughts or predictions before we say goodbye and sign off until next week.
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Final thoughts are like just think positive.
Like everyone should be themselves and embrace yourself, be who you are.
That's all.
Sounds great.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, thank you listeners.
I'm just so happy you could help out and we had some fun until next time.
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Cheers.
Bye
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