February 28, 2025 • 49 mins
In this insightful episode, the host returns to the airwaves with a detailed analysis of recent political events since the election results and the implications of the impending Trump administration. Joined by political commentator Patty Paynton, the discussion spans a range of topics from immigration policies to the role of media in shaping public opinion. The episode aims to foster a civil dialogue on navigating political differences, emphasizing the need for understanding and cooperation in addressing national challenges. Through engaging conversation, the episode explores the dynamics of change in leadership and the ongoing efforts to bring civility back into political discourse.
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Alright, here we are, Breaking Bread and Napa listeners.
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It's been a while since we've come back to the podcast, so we've got a big show today.
We're going to discuss with the days politics.
Certainly we're going to talk about the election results.
We haven't had a time to chat through that where we're at today with the new incoming
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administration, the Trump administration.
I'm excited today.
I have a friend of the podcast here, Patty Paynton.
Thank you, Patty, for coming back and jumping on the podcast with me.
We're happy to have you today.
We love your perspective.
I want to say hey to the viewers there, the listeners.
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Hey there.
I hope you guys all had a great holidays and looking forward to a happy new year.
And good to be back.
Thank you very much, Tyreen, for bringing me back.
Awesome, awesome, awesome.
So again, today we're going to keep it a little bit light, a little bit of the spirit of the
holiday season here.
We're just going to kind of touch on the election results, maybe dive into some of the key new
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administration's policies, immigration.
We want to touch on immigration.
Maybe touch a little bit about diversity.
We're going to definitely have a deeper, deeper dive on DEI and that whole situation and what's
happening there on a later podcast.
But we are going to definitely touch upon that.
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So I'm going to kick it off here as a registered Democrat.
I think my listeners are pretty comfortable with that perspective.
But I really want to talk about the feelings of how the election went.
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Certainly I voted for Kamala and wanted to see her win and continue with the direction
that we were going.
But that's obviously not what the country voted for.
The country wanted change and demanded change and obviously made that decision at the ballot
box and me being an American.
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And we agree to disagree, but we move on in the light of democracy and you won and that's
it.
You've got the reins.
You've got the control.
You know, that's how we do it here.
We understand that and we definitely move forward as a country.
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And we're going to have our opinions and disagreements and we are going to discuss those in a very
civil manner because that is really the scope and the core of this podcast is what we're
trying to bring back to politics and the days politics of where we find ourselves into civility
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and to try to come to an agreement of what we need to do to solve some of these huge
problems that the country faces, the world faces for that matter.
And I really think that by and large, at least that's my sense, that that's really what the
country wants.
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They want us more working together to solve these problems.
They don't want us to go in our corner and hate and just tear people down and oh, we
won.
We got won over you.
I mean, how do you get ahead?
I mean, how do you solve problems if you're constantly pitted against each other in the
rawest way?
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It just, I don't know.
I just don't think that's the right temperament and the right approach to solving some of
our biggest, deepest problems here.
I really think that we need to get perspectives from both sides, which is bringing it all
back, which is why I have Patty here today, because she brings that perspective of the
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other side.
Half the stuff, if we're in a vacuum and we're constantly surrounding ourselves with like,
like people, we're never going to get that other perspective and it's going to be this
us and them thing and it's going to continue and I'm done with it.
I mean, my whole family votes for Trump.
So I mean, it doesn't get any more, you know, I have to look at myself.
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I have to look at, you know, what it is and I have to understand it.
And it's interesting because Patty and I spent a couple of days together and, you know, we,
obviously we're here in wine country, we dove into some of Napa's finest and we had some
really interesting conversations just at random.
We're not even podcasting.
It was like, that's what they mean by that.
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You know, I think so.
My point here, listeners, is that I really think that what is being set out there or
how we're observing it or how we're taking it in, it might be wrong.
It might not be.
That's not what they're articulate, trying to articulate.
We might be misinterpreting and taking it the wrong way and with some discussion and
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open-mindedness, maybe we could get that perspective like, oh, okay, that's what you mean.
And honestly, I think it really, we find out that we have more similarities and we're more
in the center than we really think that we are and we're reacting to all these different
messages and it's really, you know, obviously making us all run to the other corner there.
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And that's definitely not what we want to get out of this.
And that's not the true core of this podcast.
We really want to get at that.
What do we agree on?
What can we do to solve some problems and move forward and not hate each other so much?
So with that tea up, how do I feel about the Trump administration?
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What is my biggest fear?
What is my biggest fear of the Trump administration?
I mean, that's what it comes down to.
I mean, and it's a fear, you know, is it a real fear?
Is it irrational fear?
Yeah, maybe it could be.
I don't know.
But because of all of the vitriol, you know, it breeds that, you know, and I don't know,
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that's not healthy either.
And I don't think that the majority of the Trump voters want to like, I mean, there's,
again, you've got your crazy, you know, far left, far right out there.
And I think there's driving some of this, you know, because they get off on that.
They want to put you in your corner.
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Exactly.
And, you know, so they're succeeding in that.
And I don't think that's where the majority of our population is, honestly.
I know it's not.
I know it's not.
There's no way.
And we're letting the fringes dictate that.
And I think that's really where the problem is and what needs to be worked through.
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So back to my biggest fear anyway, I digressed a little bit, but I'm very, very concerned
about the immigration, you know, I mean, and again, what, what, I mean, was the Biden administration
perfect? Did they get to the border late to address the situation?
I think so.
I'm going to, I'm going to say it right out.
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I'm going to call it out.
I mean, clearly, you know, there wasn't enough, you know, manpower on those borders and, you
know, to deal with the onslaught of those migrants coming across the border.
Do I think they were all criminals and rapists?
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No.
Was there a percentage?
No.
I'll give you that.
I mean, there's cartels on the border and everything else that, you know, we read about
and hear about of going on.
But the majority of those people, I mean, look at some of those countries.
I mean, they're running for their lives.
They're running with the clothes on their backs, women and children.
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Those are not rapists.
Those are not cartel.
Those are innocent human beings who had to flee their country because it was being overtaken
by cartels or corruption.
I mean, if you look at where the people had to come from, those countries, although, I
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mean, half of them, I'm not half of them.
Again, I don't know the actual statistics.
They die.
I mean, they die coming to our country for a possible chance at a life, at freedom, and
to make a living for their family.
So we need to sort through that.
I think that really, you know, again, I don't want criminals.
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I don't want rapists.
I don't want M16 or whatever that cartel, that really heinous cartel group is, and that
should be stopped.
It's a difficult conversation.
I mean, Patty, where are you at?
I know you're full on immigration policy, and where are you at with this?
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I feel like they're setting up concentration camps.
From what I've read and what I've heard, that this is the direction that they're going
in, that they're preparing.
They're having subcontractors build these camps so that they could house all these people,
that they're going to round them up and put them in a detention camp of sorts and ship
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them out.
I mean, I don't know.
I mean, that's, so there's my biggest fear.
I just can't accept that.
I can't accept that for this nation who is founded on immigrants.
We're all immigrants, whether we like it or European immigrant, Latin American immigrant,
I mean, Asian immigrant.
I mean, we're all immigrants at some point, and I mean, Patty, over to you.
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Help address that for us.
Okay, I'm happy to.
First of all, I'd like to say where Tyreen started off with the election and the vitriol
and all that.
On the morning of November 6th, I breathed a tremendously long sigh and happy sigh of
relief in the sense that it wasn't we won, we annihilated you, we did it, we showed you
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in your face type of thing.
No, it was a long sigh of relief because I honestly, in my heart of hearts, felt like,
okay, finally, the country has spoken and we can get this country back on track again.
And of course, one of the big issues is the immigration and what's what had deteriorated
over the course of the last four years under the Biden administration regarding illegal
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immigration.
At the end of the day, it is illegal.
These people coming across the country without a system to request permission to be citizens
and all this, we are nation of laws and coming across the border illegally is in violation
of the law.
No matter how you rationalize it, it is the law.
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Okay.
And that, we are a country of immigrants.
We take the hungry, the poor, the weak and the children and all that.
That is our nature as a nation, our nature as a people.
I get that.
I totally get that.
And I embrace that.
The problem is when you don't do it under a structure of a system that tracks who's coming
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in and where they're coming in from and why they're coming in and whatnot, you have not
only chaos for the country, the United States, but it's chaos for those individuals too because
now they subject themselves because they are completely vulnerable to any sort of evil
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that would take over to under the guise of protection and getting them into this country.
And I'm talking human trafficking.
I'm talking drugs.
I'm talking everything that comes in.
I'm talking terrorists that come from other countries that aren't even on our borders
that are coming through those, are seeping through, like through the sieve in the name
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of taking advantage of the poorest borders.
So it's not a system just opening up our borders to anybody and allowing them in because they
want to come in here because they're persecuted because, whatever reason it is.
But Patty, we need to know what the percentages, and that's on me to get that percentage.
Again, going back, you see a lot of women and children dragging three kids, mother,
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father.
I hear a lot about them getting pulled away from their parents and putting into human
trafficking and they're carted into a back of a big old...
It's horrible.
And they're traipsed across this country in deplorable situation.
Half of them get out, they might not even be alive by the time they get to the destination.
So I mean, that's got to stop.
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We can't...
And it's an all or nothing situation.
You can't just say, this guy looks like...
You've got to have a system that is androgynous to who's coming through and why they're coming
through.
And then once you've got that system in place, you accommodate the true people who have a
need to come into this country and want to be here and contribute to society as citizens.
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Exactly.
Okay.
So we got to be careful about the press.
I'm sorry.
We've got access to information 24 seven from three bazillion different sources of information
and nobody's out there fact checking anybody.
So you've got to be very careful about the information.
The information I watch, I believe is...
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And I'm going to tell you a lot of it's Fox News, a lot of it's News Nation, a lot of it's
not so much News Max, but it could be.
But when I constantly see reports and I see the reports with the video of people being
terrorized by illegal immigrants, all the innocent women taking a walk in the park.
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I don't know that the rest of the world sees that on these other stations, but it's broadcasted
quite a bit when an illegal immigrant is killed, murdered, raped or whatever, a US citizen
trying to do the right thing, being doing innocent things.
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So I understand that a lot of this is antagonized by the press, depending on which side and
what you watch and what you listen to.
So if you take that out, if you get rid of all that noise, what's fact checked, what's
not fact checked.
So I take it out of the equation, we need to have a way to close off the border, set
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the system straight and that's going to start with cleaning out what came in.
And to your point about the concentration, they're not going to be concentration camp.
Those people are probably going to get better treatment in one of these camps while they're
trying to figure out what their status is and if they have a legitimate claim to come
into the country.
And if they're clean, if they're not terrorists or drug cartels or associated, and oh by the
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way, they will be protected from being funneled into the human trafficking situation, which
is terrible in this country.
And we shouldn't be taught, that's the crime of the country is to allow that.
That's our problem.
We are guilty of human trafficking because we've allowed it to happen.
We've got to fix that.
And to me, that's the most egregious, that and the drugs, the fentanyl coming into the
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country.
Well, let's put guns in there because all of the criminals, the guns, they come from
the U.S. manufacturers.
That's where they're getting the guns.
Oh, they're coming from everywhere.
They can get them from China.
China.
Yeah, I mean, but there is a lot of guns that are being used against our American border
people to try to protect these innocents or immigrant migrants.
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But the only way you're going to get this shoot.
The only way you're going to clean it up is you've got to clean the slate that exists
right now.
And we've got to clean that up before we can actually put in a system that's going to
work.
Let's put a pin in that because you're making a very valid point because we are a nation
of laws.
We are a nation of laws.
And there are laws on the books.
They're just overwhelmed.
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They don't have the legal capacity on the border.
They don't even have judges to make these decisions like, okay, is this person really
running for their life or are they just trying to traffic some human trafficking or supporting
the cartel or what have you?
So then they're there for months and months and months and the system is broken.
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Are we in agreement that the current immigration and who starts with the system?
It's Congress.
It's Congress.
It's Tom Holman and Helmlin security.
We've got to clean it up.
We've got to establish a baseline until we clean up the mess that we've got right now.
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We're not going to be able to, you know, we're not going to be able to ensure that we don't
have another mess on our hands.
Right?
You've got to clean up this mess, set up controls, and now we figure out, okay, how do we make
this right for everybody?
But you've got to clean up the mess.
We just can't leave a porous border.
Where anybody...
No, nobody wants to leave a porous border.
I don't think anybody...
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Well, that's the first line.
You get the line strong.
You figure out who...
How many millions are we talking right now?
It's three times what it was.
I don't even know the statistics.
I don't want to misquote.
But it's significantly higher and they're spread out all over this country.
What are you going to do?
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What are you going to do?
Just let them be there.
But I know, but Patty, what are you going to do?
I mean, these people are going to knock on somebody's door.
All right.
Where's your passport?
Where's your immigration status?
Oh, let's pull the cleaning lady out of this household until we establish...
I don't see it.
That's not the priority.
The priority is getting to the criminals.
You don't see it getting to that level.
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But how do you get to the criminal without going through that?
You have to determine, all right, this guy's definitely bad news or this woman's bad news.
Or this one's just trying to survive and put food on the table.
How is that?
How are you going to prioritize the criminals without disrupting all these immigrant families
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who have been here, who are their children, our citizens because they were born here?
I don't think that's who we're after.
We're after the influence over the last four years.
But I'm saying how do you get to the criminals without disrupting stable families in that?
Fine.
Fair enough.
But that's how you get the states and the cities cooperation.
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This sanctuary city crap is going to do nothing to solve this problem.
It only antagonizes the situation because the system needs to be fixed.
But you've got to right size the ship first.
Sorry for a hackneyed expression.
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The only way you're going to do that is to get the states and the cities cooperation.
Sanctuary city is illegal.
It's an illegal act by a city to do this.
Getting that fixed is going to be a big step forward in order to be able to figure out
where these conclaves of illegals who are criminals, that's where you got to start.
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This is the priority, is the criminals, the drug traffickers and the terrorists.
They've said nothing about going into a family's home and disrupting their way of life that
they've established for the last 10 years with children.
That's not where they're going.
I hope with the fear that I have in my heart over this, I hope you're right.
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I don't see it.
I don't hear that.
I do hear that.
No, we're not going for them.
We're going for the criminal search.
But how do you get to the criminals without rampaging through?
They're going to need support.
If you truly want to be a citizen of, you came over here illegally, let's say.
The system is broke.
And you are trying to do the right thing.
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The system is broke.
I know a law is a law and they should have been a buy-in by the law.
But if somebody comes to you and says, hey, we're looking for the guy who, can you help
us here?
Guess what?
I guarantee you that's going to give you points in your application for citizenship when the
time comes.
And they've said that.
We get cooperation.
Yes, you've broken the law.
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You've done something wrong.
You're going to have to account for that.
But in the accounting process, we will take this into consideration.
And all I'm saying is, let's be clear.
What is this accounting process?
It needs to be established.
The man needs to get in power first.
I mean, he's not there yet.
Yeah, but you have plans.
You can't discuss that.
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We don't know what those are.
And that's the fear.
So once we know how this is going to work, maybe you'll get more cooperation.
There's more cooperation from the cities and the states.
I mean, going back a couple of, it might have been last summer or the summer before, actually,
where New York was getting onslaughted.
Chicago, they were, the Texas, I think it was the Texas governor, Greg Abbott, where
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he started putting them on in Florida, in New York.
DeSantis, they were just loading them on planes and lining them in the Marseille vineyard.
Why not?
And just dumping them off there.
Why not?
Why aren't all these mayors coming together and having a discussion?
Look, we're getting onslaughted.
Maybe you should take a 300 and just prepare.
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They tried.
And Biden would not listen to that.
Abbott was trying to work with Biden and say, hey, if you're not going to listen to me.
The governors, the state governors, I think you need to go to the city mayors and say,
look, I agree.
I mean, I think that was wrong to make the border states absorb that and be responsible.
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So I don't blame for extreme, like they were in extreme situation.
How extreme?
I'm not so sure, but I think there could have been some discussion and preparing like, look,
we have all these people and I just think that there should have been more cooperation.
So I reached out to Biden so many times.
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And finally, when he wasn't getting any response, he said, this is the only solution I have.
Let's send them to the cities that are not.
Well, I again, I just I find that really like just a generalization that the Biden and I
mean, just go to directly to the mayor of New York or the mayor of Chicago or the governor
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and just say, look, this is where we're at here.
We're overwhelmed on this border.
But for anybody, it's not right.
It's not right to overwhelm the border states with this problem.
I mean, we can't open their eyes.
They did that because they knew it would send a signal.
But it was it was eyeopening and it's had a very impactful effect.
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I would agree with you on that 100%.
100%.
I would I would absolutely agree with you.
I was like, how can we can't come together and say, look, people, we've got how many
millions coming across the border were overran.
And we need to like we can't we can't each state on the border can't absorb the the the
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the amount of these people.
And I think that there should have been, you know, some discussion and some certainly some
negotiation and each city state do their part as an American to that's what we're going
to do.
If we were going to go through all that, we should have sent them back.
But I mean, how generous was it that we didn't just turn around and send them back?
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Why didn't we send them back?
Why did we allow them to come across because they were running for their lives?
I have some very really dark and dangerous situations.
And I think that that's part of it.
But I think there's I mean, there's so many other facets that that took advantage of that
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situation, and I would say in big numbers, big numbers, because we've not had the level
of crime, the level of drugs, and the level of problems in this country ever since that
the borders became so poor.
So you've got to know a good numbers coming through and they're and these cartels are had
they have infused themselves into our non border state cities quite deeply.
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I mean, how is it that they're able to operate in Chicago and in Minneapolis like they are
right now?
I mean, it's just that's pretty deep.
That's deep.
So that's got to get cleaned up.
And I don't know how you clean it up without cutting off the border and looking for the
cancer inside and getting rid of it.
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And you're going to need a lot of support from other illegal citizens and legal citizens
and city governments, county governments, the police force, the FBI, there's going to
it's going to have to be an all out effort.
And I honestly don't believe I've never seen Trump and his administration treat anybody
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like their prisoners.
And so this concept of being in concentration detention camps, that's an easy term to use
because we all affiliate it with the Holocaust and things like that.
But in his first administration, kids were in cages on the border.
They were in cages in Obama's administration.
Okay, okay.
But I guarantee you they were safer.
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They were safer there than they were anywhere else.
I mean, think of that concept.
I mean, what we're talking about human beings in cages, children, half of them.
When you've got the numbers, what are you going to do?
I know.
Get them in a field and let them play out there.
Okay, so don't say that this notion that is a floating of a concentration camp or detention
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call it a detention camp.
Make you feel it.
It's not detention.
Detention implies that you're being you're being held.
You are.
You prove if you're worthy to be okay, get into the system and be an American or you got to
get deported.
You're no good.
We don't want you when you took when you came into this country illegally.
You are safer in a detention camp right now, figuring out what your disposition is going
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to be than you are being picked up in a human trafficking channel or a drug cartel or our
son, you're a child getting shot up with fentanyl so you can have an addiction that ends up
being your pariah for the rest of your life.
You are safer being handled by God fearing.
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I'd like to say there's a lot of rapist.
It's going on and I mean, don't I mean, you want it?
Okay, okay.
All right.
So the upstairs oversight.
No, I'm thinking there's a better way.
Okay.
I'm thinking there's a better way than there's this detention.
Hotels, letting them in our schools, letting them in.
I know.
Don't forget we have a citizenship here and I don't mean that facetiously.
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I should rephrase that.
This is impacting your safety.
The citizens, the law-abiding citizens of this nation.
So there needs to be the first priority is to pretend and Tyreen, I understand you have
a heart, a very giving heart and I, I, I, we should all be so sympathetic to, to those
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in need.
And I think it's a beautiful thing, but we have to be, we have to protect the U.S. citizen
is job number one.
Agreed, agreed, agreed.
And upholding what this country stands for, which is bring in your huddled masses, you're
hungry, you're poor.
We are that country, but we've got to do it and protect job one first.
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Humanely.
Exactly.
Humane.
And a detention camp to me tells me this much.
They're going to be safe for the most part.
If you've got U.S. soldiers and U.S.
Well, wait a minute, that's another discussion.
U.S. soldiers.
National guard.
You can use the national guard.
When you've got, when you've got people who are under a pyramid of leadership that is
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held responsible and accountable, chances are they're going to be safe.
You know they're going to be fed and you know they're going to be clothed.
I think on all three counts, they're better off than otherwise.
But those are the people coming immediately across the border.
They're talking about purging.
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So you're going to be, you're going to be pulling people.
Well, I mean, you got to get to the bad apples.
You got to go through.
You're not purging.
You're going to go be looking, you're searching for, you're investigating, you're, you're
gathering, okay, gathering the people.
I don't know how about you.
You're going to knock on the door and you got an ICE, ICE, you know, officer at your
door wanting to look in your closets and I mean, I know that's a bit of an extreme picture.
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They have to have a warrant to do that.
They do.
They're completely, no, no, you're the Trump administration.
One, they will have their warrants.
Obviously they own the Justice Department.
So I, well, not yet, but I mean, again, you know, it'll be, I mean, I'm like, I'm strapping
in, you know, I'm strapping in.
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What can I do to help support and foster?
Um, because I do think our immigration system is broken in and needs fixing and how we go
about that, that's going to be what we need to work on and discuss and communicate because
there is an awful lot of fear on the other side of, of what that means and what that
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entails.
But it's not a kumbaya process.
No, it's a very, it's got to be a very rigid process, but compassionate.
Compassion, we, I think we as a people understand that, I mean, I can't imagine Americans by
their very nature are compassionate people.
You get soldiers or, or police and FBI people who are surrounded by people in desperate
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situation, nine times out of 10, compassion will overrule.
And that's why I don't think that we're going to have problems with gathering these people
up, getting them there.
And you're optimistic.
I am optimistic because I have hope in the American people because the American people
want change.
They want to make this country better.
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And I agree.
100%.
And most of them will probably, you know, where the American citizen is involved in
this process.
I'm not quite sure other than, but we need to be involved.
We do, we do, but I'm talking at the physical man.
Yes.
Yes.
And we're not on the border taking care of monitoring these detention camps and, and
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managing them.
That needs to be, you know, I guarantee you, Trump will be down there more often than not,
making sure it's done right.
He's a hands, he's on the ground.
You will be there.
And he, or if he's not there, his, his people will be there.
Well, what's this, uh, how to homeland security.
It's moment.
He's, he's, he's ruthless, but he gets, okay, we, we agree on, he's ruthless.
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But he needs to be.
You need somebody like that because, because he's going after the criminals.
And when you go after, you know, somebody that's has no problem, you know, knocking
you off and sending you into the other world, you've got to come across with a show of force.
I'm sorry.
That's just the way.
No, you don't have to be sorry.
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You're going to take a few victims in the process.
The true criminals are definitely ruthless.
And that's what he's after job number one.
And, and, and again, and we agree on that.
We definitely agree on that the criminals need to be eradicated.
It's the process of how they go about doing that and what that all entails.
And that's, you know, stay tuned.
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You know, I, I, again, I'm just, you know, the, the American people have spoken.
This is the direction they want to take the country.
This is just one issue of a whole slew of issues that we're going to be discussing on
the podcast together.
But I really, really hope that it's not as severe as, you know, a lot of people are thinking
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that this is going to go down because that that's not the, that's not the America that
I certainly grew up with at all.
And what I want future generations to experience, rather they be, you know, whatever stripe
they are, if they're American, or they want to become American and contribute to our society
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and be brilliant and, and, you know, recognize their unique contributions to our society.
I mean, that's what makes America great.
That's what makes America great.
I guarantee you, Trump knows that.
He knows that intimately.
I, I just, you're, I just see that in him.
See, Tyreen, what other purpose would a man who, who has the world in this, in the palm
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of his hand, want to give up all that potential continuation of that life to, it is only,
is I honestly believe his only purpose in life is to turn this country around and make
it great again.
I, I know that sounds acne, but I look in his eyes.
Why else would a man give up what he's giving up to do this?
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You can't call it power.
What's that power?
Yeah, he's going to be the most powerful man in the world.
I get that, but he's over that.
I think that that assassination attempt has, he's a converted man.
I mean, he is, he is, it's not about the power.
It's about his ability to turn things around for this country.
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And I think that's his driver.
What did former President Bush say when he looked into the eyes of Putin?
Do you remember that?
When he met with Putin and he said that he was going to be definitely, I saw his soul
and his soul was good and everything.
I really, that hit a nerve with me that you're looking at Trump and those eyes that he's
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beyond, beyond, he wants to be the next Putin.
He wants to own his country.
Are you, what the oligarchs are already in there?
You got Elon, you got all the billionaires running it.
They're not, and they're not getting.
Do you understand what a oligarch society, Putin and the Russians and those people?
They are merely advisors.
That's it.
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No, that's, wouldn't you want the best in bryus?
Do you think that, do you honestly think, I just don't think they need to be in government.
I think they could advise outside of a government.
I think it's dangerous.
I think it's so dangerous to have billionaires.
They're not in government.
They're not getting a paycheck.
They're not in the retirement system.
They are advisors.
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When they have the power to change a vote on the US Congress for not, he stopped it.
Come on, we just had that vote.
He shut it down.
He did not want, he did not, I'm telling you.
He stopped what?
Elon Musk has that power to go to the head of the Congress.
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They already agreed on a bill.
This just happened last week.
We almost, we, the government's almost got shut down.
He's an influencer, no doubt.
Because he had the power.
Therein lies my fear of that.
It's no different than anybody else influencing.
I'm going to have.
Who's been influencing Biden for the last four years.
It hasn't been Biden.
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I don't know who's been speaking into his right ear, but I guarantee you he's not been
running this country for the last four years.
There's no difference between that kind of.
He only had billionaires at his house.
Oh, I guarantee you.
At his house.
They had Soros.
Soros was doing something.
You know, we need to, you know, this Soros has become this right wing, like boogie man.
I don't even hear about Soros at the time.
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He's in Greece.
You know, I mean, and so what?
You guys.
He's funding the, he's funding a lot in influencing how the government and how Biden was influenced.
I mean, you can see the people who are tied to Soros.
For every Soros, I think you have 10 others on the, I mean, I would come on.
Look at the heritage society.
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Look at those guys.
They got the Supreme Court.
They bought the sub button paid the Supreme Court.
I mean, come on.
I don't see Soros.
It was a very fair process.
Oh my God.
Come on.
Come on.
The Supreme Court.
They own it.
You know, they own it.
They own it.
They bought paid for through the heritage foundation.
Oh, come on.
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Clarence Thomas.
Well, that's a case.
You know, this guy's waving like anti-patriotic flags at his house.
His wife is fighting with neighbors.
I mean, I mean, come on.
I mean, really, I mean, is that okay?
I mean, that a Supreme Court is owned.
I can, I can see that you and I are completely differently influenced by the media.
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Because I don't.
Okay.
Excellent point.
I do not, I do not see this, this vitriol quite honestly.
I do not see that's the agenda.
The agenda that you are, it's clearly mimicking what is being.
Okay.
Come across on these other media and I, it's fair.
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It's a fair point.
It's a fair point.
So what I suggest we're coming up at the 40 minute mark here.
This has been an amazing conversation and I want to continue it at a later stage.
I want to bring some statistics in because we are, we are going to talk about diversity
and DEI.
I mean, where are you at?
Well, that's another issue that I have with this whole woke culture.
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I don't really understand it from your perspective, from the right rights perspective.
So I'd like to come back with some concrete statistics and address that, but I'm going
to put an assignment on you and to myself, which right wing TV and publication should
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I listen to because I want to be informed and I want to understand where you're coming
from.
And I would ask the same of you to listen to two of my sources for, you know, when we,
let's get a date to dive this in and then I want you and I'm going to do as well.
What show on Fox do you recommend that I listen to?
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I mean, the Sunday morning talk show is always good.
Fox News Sunday.
Okay.
That's a good one.
And I think it's very fair and balanced.
I'm trying to get something that is not based on opinion.
So the Fox News Sunday is always very balanced.
And then I would say anything that reports the news is what I would advocate, but I've
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got to figure out what those are.
Okay.
Okay.
And then I will give you my source.
I mean, just the top of mind that I obviously not obvious, but I really like Nicole Wallace.
She's a MSNBC.
She was a Republican, never Trump.
She's probably my number one talk show host, you know, news.
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I mean, she does, I think she's brilliant.
So she's in the one o'clock Pacific time zone.
So four o'clock East Coast time.
I really think that she adds a lot of value to both sides of the equation.
And I got to tell you, I love Joe Scarborough.
I mean, you know, I really do.
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Mika and Joe, I don't know if you I've seen them.
Okay.
But anyway, let's let's let's let's give that some more thought.
This was kind of a random assignment.
But when we come back, when we get get get this back on the calendar and we we put an
agenda and we look up the statistics, because I really think that you have to look at statistics
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and see what percentage are we looking at of the rapists and this, you know, this what
percentage of the illegal immigration population is of criminal of nature.
And I think I mean, would you agree that you have to put the appropriate you can't like
onslaught, there's only like 0.001% of the, you know, and then put an army on top of that.
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That's excessive.
So I think you have to put your resources where, you know, if there's a lot of it, if
it's 0.001% or if it's challenging, and they're causing, okay, 50% of the problem.
Okay, okay.
All right.
So we need to look at that too.
So let's find out what is that population?
What is the what are those statistics of the quote unquote, truly criminal portion of immigration?
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I think we it definitely warrants, I mean, this has been going on for so long and so
long and so long that I mean, it's coming to a head now and unfortunately, because we
didn't it seemed like Congress kicked the can, you know, they never wanted to come do an
agreement with a working immigration policy.
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So we got the benefit right now is whether it's on one side of the house or the aisle
or the other, you've got one side that's in control.
And that's better than it's been in centuries.
Okay, a couple decades, let's just say, and that may prove more progress than anything
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else.
But at least things can get done, and you may agree with them or you may not agree with
them, but at least that's not going to be this kick in the can down the road for four
years.
He's got two years to make this happen.
If he doesn't make this happen in two years, the mid cycles will flip it.
I agree with you.
And so I agree with you 100.
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That administration has only one job and only one job to do it and to do it right.
If they don't do it right in my world, we're back to square one again.
And here we go again.
And my fear and concern is that they're going to try to get it done.
And it's not going to get done because we really need more cooperation, more understanding.
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And we're already, I mean, state of California Gavin Newsom already said he's building up
his legal.
They're going to, you know what I mean?
So that's, you know, what I mean?
Clearly the California is not as the nation this time, which is a good thing because I,
you know, California tends to be weighted on the left side quite a bit.
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And I think the nation has, there's a lot more right than left in California, but there
is a majority left.
Exactly.
But I mean, as far as its policies, and it's, it's, it's, I think the country has said,
hey, California, time out.
Take a breather.
Come back.
Let's, let's see if you can come back to the center a little better.
100%.
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100%.
I, I, I absolutely, I love this conversation.
We need to have more of this conversation with our fellow citizens, whatever stripe they
are.
So can we agree that we're going to get on the calendar?
We're going to come back here.
We're going to bring some statistics.
We're going to take some time to do a little bit of research and homework because I do
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want to know your two sources because I need to start listening to that.
And I want you to listen to two of my sources as well so that we have a little bit more
of a balanced understanding, influence, understanding of two sides.
And this is, this is what I'm doing to try to help this situation for, for my country.
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This is, this is what I'm doing.
This is what I'm going to try to do.
I want to talk to as many people from different stripes to, to really, because I think there's
a lot more in the middle than this fringe, crazy type of vitriol that we're all being
succumbed to.
But I think it's being antagonized by the media.
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I'll be honest.
I think, I think we've got to clear, we've got to think for ourselves and not be, I'm
not, that's not directed to anybody in particular.
No, no, I understand.
But we as a society need to think for ourselves.
It's called critical thinking people, critical thinking, which is, you know, what happened
to critical thinking, thinking through a problem and the implications of a decision and where
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it's going to end us.
And that brings us at the education system.
That's another hot topic that I would love to deep dive into too.
But okay, great podcast listeners.
Hope you followed us along.
Interested to get feedback from everybody.
Patty, thank you so much for your time and generosity.
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We appreciate your, your, your perspective and, and helping out the pod.
And hopefully we can stir the conversation and move forward as a society, as all Americans,
as all Americans.
All right.
Listeners, hey, this might be our last show before the new year.
I wish everybody a happy, healthy new year and look forward to, to talking more in the
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new year.
And as we move forward with the, the new administration and, and we will be trying some amazing wines
of the next show.
So stay tuned for, for certainly some deep dived and some of amazing Napa California
wines.
And I hear we have a little bit of a French wine that we're going to absolutely do a taste
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test on that.
Patty, you want to just give a little teaser on that French wine that we're going to pop
the next time we get together?
Sure.
I recently did a river cruise in the Rhone Valley from Lyon to Avignon and then spent
a few days on the French Riviera.
And in doing so, we, my friend and I, we went to a winery that produces Chateau Nifte Pop.
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And I was pleasantly surprised by the Chateau Nifte Pop because I've had in my head for
years, you know, the French wines are very driven by the terroir.
And that tends to be the first thing I taste when I, I drink a well, well ingrained terroir
influenced French wine.
And I was pleasantly surprised by the Chateau Nifte Pop, which in this case is a combination
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of three different grapes, the Grenache, the Syrah and the Morvera.
And I wanted to do a side by side with, can I mention that?
Yeah.
100%.
I would say the Fayette vineyard, where I understand the brothers spent a lot of time
in the Rhone region learning the finesse, how to finesse the Chateau Nifte Pop.
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So I have a bottle of that from 2007 that I'd like to do a side by side with, with the
Chateau Nifte Pop that I brought back from France.
So it'll be interesting.
Yeah.
There's a little bit of a vintage difference between the two, but we'll put that into the
equation.
We'll definitely work it out.
Yes.
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Again, listeners, it's one of our family-owned vineyards that we've been reporting on, the
Fayette brothers.
It's amazing.
It's out on Silverado Trail.
We'll bring you some more statistics on that, but it's definitely one of my charming favorite
wineries.
So we'll deep dive into that.
But really interested in then checking out some French wine next time.
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So with that, keep on, keep on.
Look at some of that beautiful, delicious wine out there celebrating the New Year safely.
Of course, and we'll catch you on the other end.
Thanks so much.
Take care.
Bye.
Alright, here we are, Breaking Bread and Napa listeners.
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It's been a while since we've come back to the podcast, so we've got a big show today.
We're going to discuss with the days politics.
Certainly we're going to talk about the election results.
We haven't had a time to chat through that where we're at today with the new incoming
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administration, the Trump administration.
I'm excited today.
I have a friend of the podcast here, Patty Paynton.
Thank you, Patty, for coming back and jumping on the podcast with me.
We're happy to have you today.
We love your perspective.
I want to say hey to the viewers there, the listeners.
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Hey there.
I hope you guys all had a great holidays and looking forward to a happy new year.
And good to be back.
Thank you very much, Tyreen, for bringing me back.
Awesome, awesome, awesome.
So again, today we're going to keep it a little bit light, a little bit of the spirit of the
holiday season here.
We're just going to kind of touch on the election results, maybe dive into some of the key new
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administration's policies, immigration.
We want to touch on immigration.
Maybe touch a little bit about diversity.
We're going to definitely have a deeper, deeper dive on DEI and that whole situation and what's
happening there on a later podcast.
But we are going to definitely touch upon that.
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So I'm going to kick it off here as a registered Democrat.
I think my listeners are pretty comfortable with that perspective.
But I really want to talk about the feelings of how the election went.
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Certainly I voted for Kamala and wanted to see her win and continue with the direction
that we were going.
But that's obviously not what the country voted for.
The country wanted change and demanded change and obviously made that decision at the ballot
box and me being an American.
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And we agree to disagree, but we move on in the light of democracy and you won and that's
it.
You've got the reins.
You've got the control.
You know, that's how we do it here.
We understand that and we definitely move forward as a country.
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And we're going to have our opinions and disagreements and we are going to discuss those in a very
civil manner because that is really the scope and the core of this podcast is what we're
trying to bring back to politics and the days politics of where we find ourselves into civility
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and to try to come to an agreement of what we need to do to solve some of these huge
problems that the country faces, the world faces for that matter.
And I really think that by and large, at least that's my sense, that that's really what the
country wants.
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They want us more working together to solve these problems.
They don't want us to go in our corner and hate and just tear people down and oh, we
won.
We got won over you.
I mean, how do you get ahead?
I mean, how do you solve problems if you're constantly pitted against each other in the
rawest way?
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It just, I don't know.
I just don't think that's the right temperament and the right approach to solving some of
our biggest, deepest problems here.
I really think that we need to get perspectives from both sides, which is bringing it all
back, which is why I have Patty here today, because she brings that perspective of the
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other side.
Half the stuff, if we're in a vacuum and we're constantly surrounding ourselves with like,
like people, we're never going to get that other perspective and it's going to be this
us and them thing and it's going to continue and I'm done with it.
I mean, my whole family votes for Trump.
So I mean, it doesn't get any more, you know, I have to look at myself.
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I have to look at, you know, what it is and I have to understand it.
And it's interesting because Patty and I spent a couple of days together and, you know, we,
obviously we're here in wine country, we dove into some of Napa's finest and we had some
really interesting conversations just at random.
We're not even podcasting.
It was like, that's what they mean by that.
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You know, I think so.
My point here, listeners, is that I really think that what is being set out there or
how we're observing it or how we're taking it in, it might be wrong.
It might not be.
That's not what they're articulate, trying to articulate.
We might be misinterpreting and taking it the wrong way and with some discussion and
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open-mindedness, maybe we could get that perspective like, oh, okay, that's what you mean.
And honestly, I think it really, we find out that we have more similarities and we're more
in the center than we really think that we are and we're reacting to all these different
messages and it's really, you know, obviously making us all run to the other corner there.
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And that's definitely not what we want to get out of this.
And that's not the true core of this podcast.
We really want to get at that.
What do we agree on?
What can we do to solve some problems and move forward and not hate each other so much?
So with that tea up, how do I feel about the Trump administration?
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What is my biggest fear?
What is my biggest fear of the Trump administration?
I mean, that's what it comes down to.
I mean, and it's a fear, you know, is it a real fear?
Is it irrational fear?
Yeah, maybe it could be.
I don't know.
But because of all of the vitriol, you know, it breeds that, you know, and I don't know,
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that's not healthy either.
And I don't think that the majority of the Trump voters want to like, I mean, there's,
again, you've got your crazy, you know, far left, far right out there.
And I think there's driving some of this, you know, because they get off on that.
They want to put you in your corner.
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Exactly.
And, you know, so they're succeeding in that.
And I don't think that's where the majority of our population is, honestly.
I know it's not.
I know it's not.
There's no way.
And we're letting the fringes dictate that.
And I think that's really where the problem is and what needs to be worked through.
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So back to my biggest fear anyway, I digressed a little bit, but I'm very, very concerned
about the immigration, you know, I mean, and again, what, what, I mean, was the Biden administration
perfect? Did they get to the border late to address the situation?
I think so.
I'm going to, I'm going to say it right out.
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I'm going to call it out.
I mean, clearly, you know, there wasn't enough, you know, manpower on those borders and, you
know, to deal with the onslaught of those migrants coming across the border.
Do I think they were all criminals and rapists?
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No.
Was there a percentage?
No.
I'll give you that.
I mean, there's cartels on the border and everything else that, you know, we read about
and hear about of going on.
But the majority of those people, I mean, look at some of those countries.
I mean, they're running for their lives.
They're running with the clothes on their backs, women and children.
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Those are not rapists.
Those are not cartel.
Those are innocent human beings who had to flee their country because it was being overtaken
by cartels or corruption.
I mean, if you look at where the people had to come from, those countries, although, I
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mean, half of them, I'm not half of them.
Again, I don't know the actual statistics.
They die.
I mean, they die coming to our country for a possible chance at a life, at freedom, and
to make a living for their family.
So we need to sort through that.
I think that really, you know, again, I don't want criminals.
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I don't want rapists.
I don't want M16 or whatever that cartel, that really heinous cartel group is, and that
should be stopped.
It's a difficult conversation.
I mean, Patty, where are you at?
I know you're full on immigration policy, and where are you at with this?
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I feel like they're setting up concentration camps.
From what I've read and what I've heard, that this is the direction that they're going
in, that they're preparing.
They're having subcontractors build these camps so that they could house all these people,
that they're going to round them up and put them in a detention camp of sorts and ship
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them out.
I mean, I don't know.
I mean, that's, so there's my biggest fear.
I just can't accept that.
I can't accept that for this nation who is founded on immigrants.
We're all immigrants, whether we like it or European immigrant, Latin American immigrant,
I mean, Asian immigrant.
I mean, we're all immigrants at some point, and I mean, Patty, over to you.
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Help address that for us.
Okay, I'm happy to.
First of all, I'd like to say where Tyreen started off with the election and the vitriol
and all that.
On the morning of November 6th, I breathed a tremendously long sigh and happy sigh of
relief in the sense that it wasn't we won, we annihilated you, we did it, we showed you
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in your face type of thing.
No, it was a long sigh of relief because I honestly, in my heart of hearts, felt like,
okay, finally, the country has spoken and we can get this country back on track again.
And of course, one of the big issues is the immigration and what's what had deteriorated
over the course of the last four years under the Biden administration regarding illegal
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immigration.
At the end of the day, it is illegal.
These people coming across the country without a system to request permission to be citizens
and all this, we are nation of laws and coming across the border illegally is in violation
of the law.
No matter how you rationalize it, it is the law.
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Okay.
And that, we are a country of immigrants.
We take the hungry, the poor, the weak and the children and all that.
That is our nature as a nation, our nature as a people.
I get that.
I totally get that.
And I embrace that.
The problem is when you don't do it under a structure of a system that tracks who's coming
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in and where they're coming in from and why they're coming in and whatnot, you have not
only chaos for the country, the United States, but it's chaos for those individuals too because
now they subject themselves because they are completely vulnerable to any sort of evil
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that would take over to under the guise of protection and getting them into this country.
And I'm talking human trafficking.
I'm talking drugs.
I'm talking everything that comes in.
I'm talking terrorists that come from other countries that aren't even on our borders
that are coming through those, are seeping through, like through the sieve in the name
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of taking advantage of the poorest borders.
So it's not a system just opening up our borders to anybody and allowing them in because they
want to come in here because they're persecuted because, whatever reason it is.
But Patty, we need to know what the percentages, and that's on me to get that percentage.
Again, going back, you see a lot of women and children dragging three kids, mother,
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father.
I hear a lot about them getting pulled away from their parents and putting into human
trafficking and they're carted into a back of a big old...
It's horrible.
And they're traipsed across this country in deplorable situation.
Half of them get out, they might not even be alive by the time they get to the destination.
So I mean, that's got to stop.
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We can't...
And it's an all or nothing situation.
You can't just say, this guy looks like...
You've got to have a system that is androgynous to who's coming through and why they're coming
through.
And then once you've got that system in place, you accommodate the true people who have a
need to come into this country and want to be here and contribute to society as citizens.
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Exactly.
Okay.
So we got to be careful about the press.
I'm sorry.
We've got access to information 24 seven from three bazillion different sources of information
and nobody's out there fact checking anybody.
So you've got to be very careful about the information.
The information I watch, I believe is...
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And I'm going to tell you a lot of it's Fox News, a lot of it's News Nation, a lot of it's
not so much News Max, but it could be.
But when I constantly see reports and I see the reports with the video of people being
terrorized by illegal immigrants, all the innocent women taking a walk in the park.
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I don't know that the rest of the world sees that on these other stations, but it's broadcasted
quite a bit when an illegal immigrant is killed, murdered, raped or whatever, a US citizen
trying to do the right thing, being doing innocent things.
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So I understand that a lot of this is antagonized by the press, depending on which side and
what you watch and what you listen to.
So if you take that out, if you get rid of all that noise, what's fact checked, what's
not fact checked.
So I take it out of the equation, we need to have a way to close off the border, set
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the system straight and that's going to start with cleaning out what came in.
And to your point about the concentration, they're not going to be concentration camp.
Those people are probably going to get better treatment in one of these camps while they're
trying to figure out what their status is and if they have a legitimate claim to come
into the country.
And if they're clean, if they're not terrorists or drug cartels or associated, and oh by the
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way, they will be protected from being funneled into the human trafficking situation, which
is terrible in this country.
And we shouldn't be taught, that's the crime of the country is to allow that.
That's our problem.
We are guilty of human trafficking because we've allowed it to happen.
We've got to fix that.
And to me, that's the most egregious, that and the drugs, the fentanyl coming into the
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country.
Well, let's put guns in there because all of the criminals, the guns, they come from
the U.S. manufacturers.
That's where they're getting the guns.
Oh, they're coming from everywhere.
They can get them from China.
China.
Yeah, I mean, but there is a lot of guns that are being used against our American border
people to try to protect these innocents or immigrant migrants.
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But the only way you're going to get this shoot.
The only way you're going to clean it up is you've got to clean the slate that exists
right now.
And we've got to clean that up before we can actually put in a system that's going to
work.
Let's put a pin in that because you're making a very valid point because we are a nation
of laws.
We are a nation of laws.
And there are laws on the books.
They're just overwhelmed.
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They don't have the legal capacity on the border.
They don't even have judges to make these decisions like, okay, is this person really
running for their life or are they just trying to traffic some human trafficking or supporting
the cartel or what have you?
So then they're there for months and months and months and the system is broken.
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Are we in agreement that the current immigration and who starts with the system?
It's Congress.
It's Congress.
It's Tom Holman and Helmlin security.
We've got to clean it up.
We've got to establish a baseline until we clean up the mess that we've got right now.
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We're not going to be able to, you know, we're not going to be able to ensure that we don't
have another mess on our hands.
Right?
You've got to clean up this mess, set up controls, and now we figure out, okay, how do we make
this right for everybody?
But you've got to clean up the mess.
We just can't leave a porous border.
Where anybody...
No, nobody wants to leave a porous border.
I don't think anybody...
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Well, that's the first line.
You get the line strong.
You figure out who...
How many millions are we talking right now?
It's three times what it was.
I don't even know the statistics.
I don't want to misquote.
But it's significantly higher and they're spread out all over this country.
What are you going to do?
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What are you going to do?
Just let them be there.
But I know, but Patty, what are you going to do?
I mean, these people are going to knock on somebody's door.
All right.
Where's your passport?
Where's your immigration status?
Oh, let's pull the cleaning lady out of this household until we establish...
I don't see it.
That's not the priority.
The priority is getting to the criminals.
You don't see it getting to that level.
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But how do you get to the criminal without going through that?
You have to determine, all right, this guy's definitely bad news or this woman's bad news.
Or this one's just trying to survive and put food on the table.
How is that?
How are you going to prioritize the criminals without disrupting all these immigrant families
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who have been here, who are their children, our citizens because they were born here?
I don't think that's who we're after.
We're after the influence over the last four years.
But I'm saying how do you get to the criminals without disrupting stable families in that?
Fine.
Fair enough.
But that's how you get the states and the cities cooperation.
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This sanctuary city crap is going to do nothing to solve this problem.
It only antagonizes the situation because the system needs to be fixed.
But you've got to right size the ship first.
Sorry for a hackneyed expression.
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The only way you're going to do that is to get the states and the cities cooperation.
Sanctuary city is illegal.
It's an illegal act by a city to do this.
Getting that fixed is going to be a big step forward in order to be able to figure out
where these conclaves of illegals who are criminals, that's where you got to start.
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This is the priority, is the criminals, the drug traffickers and the terrorists.
They've said nothing about going into a family's home and disrupting their way of life that
they've established for the last 10 years with children.
That's not where they're going.
I hope with the fear that I have in my heart over this, I hope you're right.
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I don't see it.
I don't hear that.
I do hear that.
No, we're not going for them.
We're going for the criminal search.
But how do you get to the criminals without rampaging through?
They're going to need support.
If you truly want to be a citizen of, you came over here illegally, let's say.
The system is broke.
And you are trying to do the right thing.
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The system is broke.
I know a law is a law and they should have been a buy-in by the law.
But if somebody comes to you and says, hey, we're looking for the guy who, can you help
us here?
Guess what?
I guarantee you that's going to give you points in your application for citizenship when the
time comes.
And they've said that.
We get cooperation.
Yes, you've broken the law.
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You've done something wrong.
You're going to have to account for that.
But in the accounting process, we will take this into consideration.
And all I'm saying is, let's be clear.
What is this accounting process?
It needs to be established.
The man needs to get in power first.
I mean, he's not there yet.
Yeah, but you have plans.
You can't discuss that.
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We don't know what those are.
And that's the fear.
So once we know how this is going to work, maybe you'll get more cooperation.
There's more cooperation from the cities and the states.
I mean, going back a couple of, it might have been last summer or the summer before, actually,
where New York was getting onslaughted.
Chicago, they were, the Texas, I think it was the Texas governor, Greg Abbott, where
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he started putting them on in Florida, in New York.
DeSantis, they were just loading them on planes and lining them in the Marseille vineyard.
Why not?
And just dumping them off there.
Why not?
Why aren't all these mayors coming together and having a discussion?
Look, we're getting onslaughted.
Maybe you should take a 300 and just prepare.
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They tried.
And Biden would not listen to that.
Abbott was trying to work with Biden and say, hey, if you're not going to listen to me.
The governors, the state governors, I think you need to go to the city mayors and say,
look, I agree.
I mean, I think that was wrong to make the border states absorb that and be responsible.
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So I don't blame for extreme, like they were in extreme situation.
How extreme?
I'm not so sure, but I think there could have been some discussion and preparing like, look,
we have all these people and I just think that there should have been more cooperation.
So I reached out to Biden so many times.
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And finally, when he wasn't getting any response, he said, this is the only solution I have.
Let's send them to the cities that are not.
Well, I again, I just I find that really like just a generalization that the Biden and I
mean, just go to directly to the mayor of New York or the mayor of Chicago or the governor
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and just say, look, this is where we're at here.
We're overwhelmed on this border.
But for anybody, it's not right.
It's not right to overwhelm the border states with this problem.
I mean, we can't open their eyes.
They did that because they knew it would send a signal.
But it was it was eyeopening and it's had a very impactful effect.
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I would agree with you on that 100%.
100%.
I would I would absolutely agree with you.
I was like, how can we can't come together and say, look, people, we've got how many
millions coming across the border were overran.
And we need to like we can't we can't each state on the border can't absorb the the the
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the amount of these people.
And I think that there should have been, you know, some discussion and some certainly some
negotiation and each city state do their part as an American to that's what we're going
to do.
If we were going to go through all that, we should have sent them back.
But I mean, how generous was it that we didn't just turn around and send them back?
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Why didn't we send them back?
Why did we allow them to come across because they were running for their lives?
I have some very really dark and dangerous situations.
And I think that that's part of it.
But I think there's I mean, there's so many other facets that that took advantage of that
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situation, and I would say in big numbers, big numbers, because we've not had the level
of crime, the level of drugs, and the level of problems in this country ever since that
the borders became so poor.
So you've got to know a good numbers coming through and they're and these cartels are had
they have infused themselves into our non border state cities quite deeply.
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I mean, how is it that they're able to operate in Chicago and in Minneapolis like they are
right now?
I mean, it's just that's pretty deep.
That's deep.
So that's got to get cleaned up.
And I don't know how you clean it up without cutting off the border and looking for the
cancer inside and getting rid of it.
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And you're going to need a lot of support from other illegal citizens and legal citizens
and city governments, county governments, the police force, the FBI, there's going to
it's going to have to be an all out effort.
And I honestly don't believe I've never seen Trump and his administration treat anybody
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like their prisoners.
And so this concept of being in concentration detention camps, that's an easy term to use
because we all affiliate it with the Holocaust and things like that.
But in his first administration, kids were in cages on the border.
They were in cages in Obama's administration.
Okay, okay.
But I guarantee you they were safer.
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They were safer there than they were anywhere else.
I mean, think of that concept.
I mean, what we're talking about human beings in cages, children, half of them.
When you've got the numbers, what are you going to do?
I know.
Get them in a field and let them play out there.
Okay, so don't say that this notion that is a floating of a concentration camp or detention
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call it a detention camp.
Make you feel it.
It's not detention.
Detention implies that you're being you're being held.
You are.
You prove if you're worthy to be okay, get into the system and be an American or you got to
get deported.
You're no good.
We don't want you when you took when you came into this country illegally.
You are safer in a detention camp right now, figuring out what your disposition is going
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to be than you are being picked up in a human trafficking channel or a drug cartel or our
son, you're a child getting shot up with fentanyl so you can have an addiction that ends up
being your pariah for the rest of your life.
You are safer being handled by God fearing.
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I'd like to say there's a lot of rapist.
It's going on and I mean, don't I mean, you want it?
Okay, okay.
All right.
So the upstairs oversight.
No, I'm thinking there's a better way.
Okay.
I'm thinking there's a better way than there's this detention.
Hotels, letting them in our schools, letting them in.
I know.
Don't forget we have a citizenship here and I don't mean that facetiously.
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I should rephrase that.
This is impacting your safety.
The citizens, the law-abiding citizens of this nation.
So there needs to be the first priority is to pretend and Tyreen, I understand you have
a heart, a very giving heart and I, I, I, we should all be so sympathetic to, to those
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in need.
And I think it's a beautiful thing, but we have to be, we have to protect the U.S. citizen
is job number one.
Agreed, agreed, agreed.
And upholding what this country stands for, which is bring in your huddled masses, you're
hungry, you're poor.
We are that country, but we've got to do it and protect job one first.
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Humanely.
Exactly.
Humane.
And a detention camp to me tells me this much.
They're going to be safe for the most part.
If you've got U.S. soldiers and U.S.
Well, wait a minute, that's another discussion.
U.S. soldiers.
National guard.
You can use the national guard.
When you've got, when you've got people who are under a pyramid of leadership that is
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held responsible and accountable, chances are they're going to be safe.
You know they're going to be fed and you know they're going to be clothed.
I think on all three counts, they're better off than otherwise.
But those are the people coming immediately across the border.
They're talking about purging.
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So you're going to be, you're going to be pulling people.
Well, I mean, you got to get to the bad apples.
You got to go through.
You're not purging.
You're going to go be looking, you're searching for, you're investigating, you're, you're
gathering, okay, gathering the people.
I don't know how about you.
You're going to knock on the door and you got an ICE, ICE, you know, officer at your
door wanting to look in your closets and I mean, I know that's a bit of an extreme picture.
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They have to have a warrant to do that.
They do.
They're completely, no, no, you're the Trump administration.
One, they will have their warrants.
Obviously they own the Justice Department.
So I, well, not yet, but I mean, again, you know, it'll be, I mean, I'm like, I'm strapping
in, you know, I'm strapping in.
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What can I do to help support and foster?
Um, because I do think our immigration system is broken in and needs fixing and how we go
about that, that's going to be what we need to work on and discuss and communicate because
there is an awful lot of fear on the other side of, of what that means and what that
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entails.
But it's not a kumbaya process.
No, it's a very, it's got to be a very rigid process, but compassionate.
Compassion, we, I think we as a people understand that, I mean, I can't imagine Americans by
their very nature are compassionate people.
You get soldiers or, or police and FBI people who are surrounded by people in desperate
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situation, nine times out of 10, compassion will overrule.
And that's why I don't think that we're going to have problems with gathering these people
up, getting them there.
And you're optimistic.
I am optimistic because I have hope in the American people because the American people
want change.
They want to make this country better.
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And I agree.
100%.
And most of them will probably, you know, where the American citizen is involved in
this process.
I'm not quite sure other than, but we need to be involved.
We do, we do, but I'm talking at the physical man.
Yes.
Yes.
And we're not on the border taking care of monitoring these detention camps and, and
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managing them.
That needs to be, you know, I guarantee you, Trump will be down there more often than not,
making sure it's done right.
He's a hands, he's on the ground.
You will be there.
And he, or if he's not there, his, his people will be there.
Well, what's this, uh, how to homeland security.
It's moment.
He's, he's, he's ruthless, but he gets, okay, we, we agree on, he's ruthless.
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But he needs to be.
You need somebody like that because, because he's going after the criminals.
And when you go after, you know, somebody that's has no problem, you know, knocking
you off and sending you into the other world, you've got to come across with a show of force.
I'm sorry.
That's just the way.
No, you don't have to be sorry.
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You're going to take a few victims in the process.
The true criminals are definitely ruthless.
And that's what he's after job number one.
And, and, and again, and we agree on that.
We definitely agree on that the criminals need to be eradicated.
It's the process of how they go about doing that and what that all entails.
And that's, you know, stay tuned.
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You know, I, I, again, I'm just, you know, the, the American people have spoken.
This is the direction they want to take the country.
This is just one issue of a whole slew of issues that we're going to be discussing on
the podcast together.
But I really, really hope that it's not as severe as, you know, a lot of people are thinking
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that this is going to go down because that that's not the, that's not the America that
I certainly grew up with at all.
And what I want future generations to experience, rather they be, you know, whatever stripe
they are, if they're American, or they want to become American and contribute to our society
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and be brilliant and, and, you know, recognize their unique contributions to our society.
I mean, that's what makes America great.
That's what makes America great.
I guarantee you, Trump knows that.
He knows that intimately.
I, I just, you're, I just see that in him.
See, Tyreen, what other purpose would a man who, who has the world in this, in the palm
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of his hand, want to give up all that potential continuation of that life to, it is only,
is I honestly believe his only purpose in life is to turn this country around and make
it great again.
I, I know that sounds acne, but I look in his eyes.
Why else would a man give up what he's giving up to do this?
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You can't call it power.
What's that power?
Yeah, he's going to be the most powerful man in the world.
I get that, but he's over that.
I think that that assassination attempt has, he's a converted man.
I mean, he is, he is, it's not about the power.
It's about his ability to turn things around for this country.
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And I think that's his driver.
What did former President Bush say when he looked into the eyes of Putin?
Do you remember that?
When he met with Putin and he said that he was going to be definitely, I saw his soul
and his soul was good and everything.
I really, that hit a nerve with me that you're looking at Trump and those eyes that he's
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beyond, beyond, he wants to be the next Putin.
He wants to own his country.
Are you, what the oligarchs are already in there?
You got Elon, you got all the billionaires running it.
They're not, and they're not getting.
Do you understand what a oligarch society, Putin and the Russians and those people?
They are merely advisors.
That's it.
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No, that's, wouldn't you want the best in bryus?
Do you think that, do you honestly think, I just don't think they need to be in government.
I think they could advise outside of a government.
I think it's dangerous.
I think it's so dangerous to have billionaires.
They're not in government.
They're not getting a paycheck.
They're not in the retirement system.
They are advisors.
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When they have the power to change a vote on the US Congress for not, he stopped it.
Come on, we just had that vote.
He shut it down.
He did not want, he did not, I'm telling you.
He stopped what?
Elon Musk has that power to go to the head of the Congress.
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They already agreed on a bill.
This just happened last week.
We almost, we, the government's almost got shut down.
He's an influencer, no doubt.
Because he had the power.
Therein lies my fear of that.
It's no different than anybody else influencing.
I'm going to have.
Who's been influencing Biden for the last four years.
It hasn't been Biden.
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I don't know who's been speaking into his right ear, but I guarantee you he's not been
running this country for the last four years.
There's no difference between that kind of.
He only had billionaires at his house.
Oh, I guarantee you.
At his house.
They had Soros.
Soros was doing something.
You know, we need to, you know, this Soros has become this right wing, like boogie man.
I don't even hear about Soros at the time.
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He's in Greece.
You know, I mean, and so what?
You guys.
He's funding the, he's funding a lot in influencing how the government and how Biden was influenced.
I mean, you can see the people who are tied to Soros.
For every Soros, I think you have 10 others on the, I mean, I would come on.
Look at the heritage society.
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Look at those guys.
They got the Supreme Court.
They bought the sub button paid the Supreme Court.
I mean, come on.
I don't see Soros.
It was a very fair process.
Oh my God.
Come on.
Come on.
The Supreme Court.
They own it.
You know, they own it.
They own it.
They bought paid for through the heritage foundation.
Oh, come on.
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Clarence Thomas.
Well, that's a case.
You know, this guy's waving like anti-patriotic flags at his house.
His wife is fighting with neighbors.
I mean, I mean, come on.
I mean, really, I mean, is that okay?
I mean, that a Supreme Court is owned.
I can, I can see that you and I are completely differently influenced by the media.
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Because I don't.
Okay.
Excellent point.
I do not, I do not see this, this vitriol quite honestly.
I do not see that's the agenda.
The agenda that you are, it's clearly mimicking what is being.
Okay.
Come across on these other media and I, it's fair.
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It's a fair point.
It's a fair point.
So what I suggest we're coming up at the 40 minute mark here.
This has been an amazing conversation and I want to continue it at a later stage.
I want to bring some statistics in because we are, we are going to talk about diversity
and DEI.
I mean, where are you at?
Well, that's another issue that I have with this whole woke culture.
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I don't really understand it from your perspective, from the right rights perspective.
So I'd like to come back with some concrete statistics and address that, but I'm going
to put an assignment on you and to myself, which right wing TV and publication should
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I listen to because I want to be informed and I want to understand where you're coming
from.
And I would ask the same of you to listen to two of my sources for, you know, when we,
let's get a date to dive this in and then I want you and I'm going to do as well.
What show on Fox do you recommend that I listen to?
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I mean, the Sunday morning talk show is always good.
Fox News Sunday.
Okay.
That's a good one.
And I think it's very fair and balanced.
I'm trying to get something that is not based on opinion.
So the Fox News Sunday is always very balanced.
And then I would say anything that reports the news is what I would advocate, but I've
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got to figure out what those are.
Okay.
Okay.
And then I will give you my source.
I mean, just the top of mind that I obviously not obvious, but I really like Nicole Wallace.
She's a MSNBC.
She was a Republican, never Trump.
She's probably my number one talk show host, you know, news.
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I mean, she does, I think she's brilliant.
So she's in the one o'clock Pacific time zone.
So four o'clock East Coast time.
I really think that she adds a lot of value to both sides of the equation.
And I got to tell you, I love Joe Scarborough.
I mean, you know, I really do.
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Mika and Joe, I don't know if you I've seen them.
Okay.
But anyway, let's let's let's let's give that some more thought.
This was kind of a random assignment.
But when we come back, when we get get get this back on the calendar and we we put an
agenda and we look up the statistics, because I really think that you have to look at statistics
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and see what percentage are we looking at of the rapists and this, you know, this what
percentage of the illegal immigration population is of criminal of nature.
And I think I mean, would you agree that you have to put the appropriate you can't like
onslaught, there's only like 0.001% of the, you know, and then put an army on top of that.
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That's excessive.
So I think you have to put your resources where, you know, if there's a lot of it, if
it's 0.001% or if it's challenging, and they're causing, okay, 50% of the problem.
Okay, okay.
All right.
So we need to look at that too.
So let's find out what is that population?
What is the what are those statistics of the quote unquote, truly criminal portion of immigration?
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I think we it definitely warrants, I mean, this has been going on for so long and so
long and so long that I mean, it's coming to a head now and unfortunately, because we
didn't it seemed like Congress kicked the can, you know, they never wanted to come do an
agreement with a working immigration policy.
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So we got the benefit right now is whether it's on one side of the house or the aisle
or the other, you've got one side that's in control.
And that's better than it's been in centuries.
Okay, a couple decades, let's just say, and that may prove more progress than anything
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else.
But at least things can get done, and you may agree with them or you may not agree with
them, but at least that's not going to be this kick in the can down the road for four
years.
He's got two years to make this happen.
If he doesn't make this happen in two years, the mid cycles will flip it.
I agree with you.
And so I agree with you 100.
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That administration has only one job and only one job to do it and to do it right.
If they don't do it right in my world, we're back to square one again.
And here we go again.
And my fear and concern is that they're going to try to get it done.
And it's not going to get done because we really need more cooperation, more understanding.
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And we're already, I mean, state of California Gavin Newsom already said he's building up
his legal.
They're going to, you know what I mean?
So that's, you know, what I mean?
Clearly the California is not as the nation this time, which is a good thing because I,
you know, California tends to be weighted on the left side quite a bit.
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And I think the nation has, there's a lot more right than left in California, but there
is a majority left.
Exactly.
But I mean, as far as its policies, and it's, it's, it's, I think the country has said,
hey, California, time out.
Take a breather.
Come back.
Let's, let's see if you can come back to the center a little better.
100%.
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100%.
I, I, I absolutely, I love this conversation.
We need to have more of this conversation with our fellow citizens, whatever stripe they
are.
So can we agree that we're going to get on the calendar?
We're going to come back here.
We're going to bring some statistics.
We're going to take some time to do a little bit of research and homework because I do
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want to know your two sources because I need to start listening to that.
And I want you to listen to two of my sources as well so that we have a little bit more
of a balanced understanding, influence, understanding of two sides.
And this is, this is what I'm doing to try to help this situation for, for my country.
(45:17):
This is, this is what I'm doing.
This is what I'm going to try to do.
I want to talk to as many people from different stripes to, to really, because I think there's
a lot more in the middle than this fringe, crazy type of vitriol that we're all being
succumbed to.
But I think it's being antagonized by the media.
(45:39):
I'll be honest.
I think, I think we've got to clear, we've got to think for ourselves and not be, I'm
not, that's not directed to anybody in particular.
No, no, I understand.
But we as a society need to think for ourselves.
It's called critical thinking people, critical thinking, which is, you know, what happened
to critical thinking, thinking through a problem and the implications of a decision and where
(46:02):
it's going to end us.
And that brings us at the education system.
That's another hot topic that I would love to deep dive into too.
But okay, great podcast listeners.
Hope you followed us along.
Interested to get feedback from everybody.
Patty, thank you so much for your time and generosity.
(46:24):
We appreciate your, your, your perspective and, and helping out the pod.
And hopefully we can stir the conversation and move forward as a society, as all Americans,
as all Americans.
All right.
Listeners, hey, this might be our last show before the new year.
I wish everybody a happy, healthy new year and look forward to, to talking more in the
(46:51):
new year.
And as we move forward with the, the new administration and, and we will be trying some amazing wines
of the next show.
So stay tuned for, for certainly some deep dived and some of amazing Napa California
wines.
And I hear we have a little bit of a French wine that we're going to absolutely do a taste
(47:14):
test on that.
Patty, you want to just give a little teaser on that French wine that we're going to pop
the next time we get together?
Sure.
I recently did a river cruise in the Rhone Valley from Lyon to Avignon and then spent
a few days on the French Riviera.
And in doing so, we, my friend and I, we went to a winery that produces Chateau Nifte Pop.
(47:42):
And I was pleasantly surprised by the Chateau Nifte Pop because I've had in my head for
years, you know, the French wines are very driven by the terroir.
And that tends to be the first thing I taste when I, I drink a well, well ingrained terroir
influenced French wine.
And I was pleasantly surprised by the Chateau Nifte Pop, which in this case is a combination
(48:06):
of three different grapes, the Grenache, the Syrah and the Morvera.
And I wanted to do a side by side with, can I mention that?
Yeah.
100%.
I would say the Fayette vineyard, where I understand the brothers spent a lot of time
in the Rhone region learning the finesse, how to finesse the Chateau Nifte Pop.
(48:29):
So I have a bottle of that from 2007 that I'd like to do a side by side with, with the
Chateau Nifte Pop that I brought back from France.
So it'll be interesting.
Yeah.
There's a little bit of a vintage difference between the two, but we'll put that into the
equation.
We'll definitely work it out.
Yes.
(48:50):
Again, listeners, it's one of our family-owned vineyards that we've been reporting on, the
Fayette brothers.
It's amazing.
It's out on Silverado Trail.
We'll bring you some more statistics on that, but it's definitely one of my charming favorite
wineries.
So we'll deep dive into that.
But really interested in then checking out some French wine next time.
(49:11):
So with that, keep on, keep on.
Look at some of that beautiful, delicious wine out there celebrating the New Year safely.
Of course, and we'll catch you on the other end.
Thanks so much.
Take care.
Bye.
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