November 20, 2025 • 41 mins
Michael and Mélissa talk about weight and race discrimination at work, and interview body positivity activist Anna Snapp.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
My husband and I we went through the credit card
bill this weekend. I almost got a divorce, Like I
actually was, Like it might be easier out in these
fucking streets, like redownload the apps get grinder, Like, let's
get the grinder back on the show, Like Brief Recess
after Dark, We're going to do speed dating for me
because that annexed bill.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
What are you buying? Michael?
Speaker 1 (00:18):
There were too many zeros after the coup. Welcome to
Brief Recess. I'm Michael Foot, I'm Melissa Albra. Today we're
going to be talking about Melissa's quest to buy a
new car, gasoline panties. We have a special guest and
a snab, and she's going to talk about the bank
she has that I don't have. We're gonna talk about
(00:39):
body image issues, discrimination lawsuits, and all your questions from
the DM So stick around. Oh wait, finally invite a
little party. Knew that I wasn't going to go, but
that I did, and that is what you wanted.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
That's what I wanted, I know, but but I mean,
you knew that I wasn't going to come. What did
I do this weekend? I have to complain about?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Okay, Yeah, get on the record, and I'm going.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
To complain about this these two things, knowing, knowing that
I am in a place of privilege, right, I'm super lucky,
very blessed.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Yes, I know that's nice. Give me the fucking complaint.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
I bought a new car. I bought a new car.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
This is like a really privileged Okay, I said. I
thought it was going to be like no, no, no,
I sent back my entree. No, no, no, It's like
I invested in a huge automobile. I mean it hundreds
of thousands and it's a g wagon.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
It is No, it's not. It's the rim spin that
spend that kind of money on.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Oh I would I love a little large ass, a
little disposed of income. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
No, anyway, I'm disgusting.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I'm an American, I'm from Long Island.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I'm sorry to hear that. I don't know what to
say to you.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I don't have like a fun cultural background like you.
I'm just a white boy.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I need to understand, and I really want somebody who
is in the know to get back to me on this.
I need to unders and why it takes so fucking
long to buy a car. I got to the dealership
Oh my god o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Can we just order it on seamless? This is actually
any and I'm sorry anyone who's broke listening to this,
but it is actually a nightmare.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I mean, I think it doesn't even matter how much
money you're right, if you're into buy a car, you're buying.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
A car, right, Why can't we just call forward and
be like, Hi, I want a car? Now, No, you
have to go to some guy on a lot. They're
all in the four different guy It is actually wild,
and all of them gave you a different price in
an answer and everything.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Now, no, no, no, that's not what it was. But
it was like everybody at every different level, right, I
got so first I had my salesperson, okay, fine, Then
I met like every fucking level of manager. It took
all day, and I gotta tell you, I mean.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
I would have charged them for a meet and greet,
not to.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Like toot my own horn, but like I got a
good credit score and I had the money, right, so like, what's.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
The what's the old boys?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah, no, eight o'clock in the morning. I think I
started really looking at like nine because I was there
to get my regular car. Serviced. I did not walk
out of that lot with a car until three o'clock
in the afternoon, Michael, and I.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Was, I'm sorry, life is sure? That is that is
so I would have liked I couldn't.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
At the end of it, I was like shaking, Oh.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
My god, no, so mad, No, I would have that
was that's crazy, egregious and like you're buying a car
you wanted to be like a fun, joyous.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
No, it was I'm pissed off with the car again.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yeah. And then I was reading a thing because I
was trying to buy a car and Carbana or like
one of those as I thought it would be, but
it wasn't and I ended up not doing it. And
then I read a report that those prices were wrong
and that they're maybe being sued. I don't know. Fact
check me. Someone comment below if you bought something from
one of those, but I really like car website.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Somebody, either you own a car dealership or you're a
car salesperson, put me on so that I can avoid
this movie.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Yeah yeah, Or if you're a car company and wants
to the show, please let us know because this is
it's egregious.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
The other thing, now, this is I was really thinking
about this because I'm thinking about people who are going
into a new month without benefits and the cost of
how much it costs to eat healthy. Right, So, again,
understanding that I'm coming at this from a place of privilege.
I was going through a farmer's market and I decided
(04:15):
that I was going to buy an apple. One apple.
How much did that apple cost me?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Michael A couple bucks?
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I bet four dollars.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Oh my god, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
And I bought it.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
And I spend money on the stupidest shit. I'm like, oh,
a fifty dollars delivery, Yeah, that's fine. I'm like, and
I really mow through money. I set it on fire.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
What are you buying?
Speaker 1 (04:38):
That's the problem is I don't know what I'm buying.
I'm just like top top every everywhere I go, I'm tapping.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yeah, you know what. I think. This used to happen
to me a lot. But you sort of go out
and you spend you know you've spent money, but all
you have to show for it is like a pack.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Of gums regret.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, no pack a gum and a cost Yeah, I say.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Like, wake up in New York. It costs like one
hundred dollars just to wake up. And it's death by
a thousand paper cuts because it's like, oh, thirty dollars here,
thirty dollars there, twenty nine ninety nine for this. Everything
is thirty to forty dollars now and before you know,
buying four of them a day. Yeah, and then another thing,
and then like, oh I need a special treat. I
always have to get a special treat. Melissa saw me
(05:20):
drinking a coke when I came in here. She was like,
what are you doing? And I was like, once a month.
The little demon that lives inside me says, you have
to drink a coke in order to feel bad, and
it's great. I love it. If you're getting a migraine, Oh, coke, coke,
a Coca cola.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
And either saltine, pretzels, pretzelsze pretzels.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
That is the only thing. No migraine medication works. I
just do that and it's great.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
A coke and some pretzels.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yeah, Okay, Well let's go into a sidebar because something
crazy happen to me. This is sidebar.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
I don't have rona, do you No, I'm like, I'm fine,
don't give me that man, I'll be so much I
will probably stop talking to you.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
I've had COVID so many times. I'm like a superbug.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Okay, I don't want it.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Yeah, I don't have it.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
All right.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
If I get it, it's because he gave it to me.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
If I had a dollar for every time a man
said that to me, I would actually I would be
able to pay my fucking AMEX bill.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
You still haven't told me what you bought.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I mean a lot of it is like flights. I'm like, okay,
So I am at that point in my life where
I have set standards and pract best practices for myself.
I don't sit in anything but business class anymore. And
that is like and I've worked hard to get here. Also,
we've talked about dry cleaning bills that one hundred dollars
a week easily just wearing the shirt to the show today,
(06:45):
this is going to be eight dollars to dry clean.
Just to clean it, I had to pay for the shirt,
and now every time I wear it, I pay too.
Oh wait, last episode, we promised the world that we
would talk about your dad on a jury, and because
we ran out of time, we didn't get to it.
You have to tell the story of your father. Sorry,
non sequitur, just diving in here.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Here's the thing about people being on juries that I
think we have to sort of be aware of. Like
sometimes you will get a man like my father, who
we missed very much. But I remember my dad was
on a jury and I said to him, how's it going,
And he was just like, he did it. And I
was like, who he's like, no, Missay, he did it.
(07:29):
And I was like, how do you know that he
did it? And he said it was two o'clock in
the morning. What was he doing out if he good?
And I remember me and my brother looking at each
other and I said.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Pop in the morning.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
He was like, does not mean And he was like
and he said to me, has anything good ever happened
at two o'clock in the morning. And I gotta tell you,
he kind of got you with That got me so
beware of people like my dad on a tree who's
like it was two luck in the morning, or they
were wearing those pants or whatever.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
This is a criminal defense lawyer's greatest nightmare is that
Joel is on the jury. I've spent a year building
a fucking defense for this person, and We've got Joel
on the jury who's got his glasses on like this, mm,
can we drop a picture of my dad? I don't, Yeah,
drop in a photo drone not doing a good impression. Uh,
(08:30):
he was out at two in the morning. It's clearly guilty.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Guilty as hell.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Oh my god, and my capital punishment for me?
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Then my dad meant that shit, did we convict? I
don't remember what happened a long time ago. It was
a long time ago, but I remember, and I remember
trying to say to my father, that's not a good
enough reason. Yeah it is.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
It sounds like he did. I think we know what happened.
It sounds like he was not swayed by the other
And my mom.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Was like co sligning. She was like, sure, but this
is a lady who was yelling on her windows through
that woman's hit her kids.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Well, this is the other thing is I'm like, Brad,
you're married to a defense attorney. He was on a
jury once and and he was the foreman.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
But I feel like Brad was listening really carefully.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
And he ended up convicting. I was like, I can't
believe you're invicted.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Did the guy deserve it?
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Wow? Microaggression. Guy. Women can be guilty too if they can,
but yeah, it was a guy. It's mostly men who
are guilty.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
I'm going to say it's not all.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Not all men, but most of them and no women
and no women. All right, Well, I'm excited we have
Anna Snaps in the studio today.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Wait to meet her.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
She's so excited.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I can't wait to meet her.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
So she's going to be joining us for under Oath,
where we're going to be talking about some interesting like
fat discrimination lawsuits and the law behind it. It gets
kind of weird and I feel like we'll probably got
derailed big time.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
But the best intentions conversation that.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
The road to hell is paved with good intentions and
we're going straight, so we'll be right back.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Gasoline Pani.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
You're listening to brief Did you say gasoline panties? Is
that a saying? I say that that's a great fashion
line that is no monetize that. This segment is called
under Oath. I'm here with my good friend, demonic, evil
man hating wench Anna Snap. I love her so much.
(10:22):
Please welcome her. The briefs that she looks scandalized ancestors.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Very much.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
They speak a myth of her.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
I've never heard that sentence.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
They speak. She's iconic. I know her from all over
the internet. Ana, welcome. We wanted to talk about all
sorts of.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Mean Yeah, don't you speak for you apparently, I'm a
man hating wench.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
And You're in good company.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
You're seriously, you are not alone.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Everyone clock in, you are not alone.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
I am here with you.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Hi, I'm Anna.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
We're meeting for the first time in person.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Oh my god, iconic for so long.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I'm so excited to meet you in person.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
I know it's so I'm We've been talking without you. Wait, well,
it was a whole ship list. I dm her, I said,
I thank I'm so much.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
I'm so mad. Those are just listening. Who didn't see
Anna is doing this thing with her hair, with her
bangs that is I am so mad. I can't do it.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Thank you so much. Clocking doesn't mean you can't.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Just delusional bitch.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Added to the list.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Yes, well, thank you for joining us, Adam. We really
wanted to talk about I mean, you are so vocal
online about all sorts of issues that fat people face,
that plus size actors face. You and I have talked
about this extensively as well to gather there. So I
thought it'd be great to have you on because we
cover all sorts of different lawsuits here on the show,
and there have been a lot of really interesting discrimination
(12:03):
cases around, like fat people, plus size people, whatever the
vertacular is that you use and prefer. But also Melissa
and I have like some really interesting personal experiences in
this space. I don't know if you want to speak
to that, I can speak to mine, which I was
a really fat kid and I've been on a diet
since I was like in the nineties.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
So died in the nineties. It's shocking.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
I've never heard of that many way and many snack wells.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Yeah, and I also was a fat kid, a fadolescent,
a fat young woman also had been on a diet.
I remember being in the first grade going to my
pediatrician that's a schwartz who's no longer with us, and
it was the worst. It was the worst kind of
thing to give to a kid, right, So it was
like a hamburger, patty, no bunt, a scoop of cottage cheese.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
That's actually that is not the.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Cottage. It was wor Oh my god. So you're an
actor I am. I am not a paid crisis actor,
but you have you've been doing a one woman show.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
I think I have two one woman shows. Actually the
woman heard that's what we've been doing about.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
No.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Two one woman shows. One is autobiographical and I've been
performing it for like a decade international, and it's about
my experiences with chronic illness, a passive eating disorder PTSD,
mental illness, just a little concoction so a really light
hearted goodeeling is partially comedy, is mostly drama. But what's
(13:35):
funny is that I randomly got picked up by the
medical community, so I'll perform for like doctors and students
and stuff. So that's been like a awesome but yeah,
it's been cool. I perform it, like performed off Broadway,
I performed at Edinburgh. Friend, I performederforming for the medical community,
like what what are you doing? So I do the
(13:56):
show and then there's often like a talk back or
like a panel discussion to like let especially like med
students ask questions because obviously they're taught the science, but
they're not always taught like the empathy in the bedside
manner and kind of the human side of medicine. Yeah,
it's definitely ties into.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
This sort of like discrimination and.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
The fatness and being a bigger body, especially as it
relates to like eating disorders or just being in a
bigger body, and how it relates to even like chronic
illness and stuff. And then my other one woman show
I did, I created over Lockdown. I interviewed like over
four hundred people about their experience battling and eating disorder,
and then I created something called a verbatim theater piece
where you basically recreate their voice on stage, so like
if they have an accent, if they pause, if they
(14:32):
say oh, if they haven't whatever, it is cut down
their interview into like a monologue. So I performed ten
different characters, including my own stories.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
So that's so.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
I just had my autobiographical show in Philly like a
few weeks ago. I'm trying to do it again next year.
I'm trying to bring it back to New York.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
So okay, so if you're launching this, and if you're
a producer, policere sas at exactly right Media dot com
and we'll put you in touch with snacks. We do
dream making here at exactly Right we are. I thought
it would be cool to kind of talk about this,
(15:13):
Like there's this discrimination lawsuit that's currently like making its
way through the New York system. It's called Harris by
New York, and it was a civil servant applicant who
was trying to become a civil servant to become a
probation officer. So I do with probation officers like all
the time as a criminal defense lawyer, and they basically
denied her because of her size. So it's really interesting.
(15:34):
Fat is not like a protected class under any US
federal law, so you technically can't sue under federal law
for like fat discrimination. So there are some like interesting
workarounds that I found that, like people sometimes will sue
under the American Disabilities Act the ADA, which is like
very established federal law that people sue under, but most
(15:55):
courts have held that, like obesity isn't a disability that
and that is the argument that plaintiffs make right when
they've been discriminated against because of their size, they then
argue that under the ADA, they're being discriminated against because
of their weight. One of the interesting things that people
have been able to do is like if it is
connected to like a medical issue, So if you say,
(16:16):
like this medical issue equals my body being a different size,
then I'm able to You're able to sort of find
relief under the ada.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
You know what that sounds like. I mean, I know
it's not exactly the same thing, but it's I've had
two aunts who had been flight attendants, and you used
to have to do weight check in order to be
a flight attendant and it was like five to two
to five nine and no more than one hundred and
thirty five pounds. And it has nothing to do with
(16:45):
being able to do the job. It was all about
the aesthetics. So you need it to be no glasses, unblemished, unmarried,
no kids, white.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
That is actually the criteria when we were casting this show.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
So and look at what happened.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Joked, It's okay, I'll go fuck myself anyway, least continue
flight attendance.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
But yeah, it just had to do with aesthetics, right,
So nothing to actually having.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
To do that on Emirates on I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
About Emirates, but the last time that they were actually
doing that still in the United States was nineteen ninety five,
which is really just about crazy.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Which is when I was on Weight Watchers. Yeah, like
it was like around that time. Yeah, wow, yeah, that's extraordinary.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Like we're todd that that's the aesthetic, you know what
I mean, it's not even like that. That's like like
hundreds of years ago, if you were fat, you were
worshiped because it meant you had money, Right, do I
have money?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
No? But it should be she's self producing woman around
the world. Hey, Michael and Melissa, what's it like being.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Poor porn worshiped?
Speaker 1 (18:05):
So basically, I mean, we really don't need to cover
the case. It's like you wanted to just keep talking,
but you were. You were talking a little bit about
the airlines.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Yeah, well I was, and just again it's it was
all about the aesthetic. It had absolutely nothing to do
with how well you could do the job or whether
or not you could do the job. But for them
to be a flight attendant a stewardess as they were
called back in the day, is that you needed to
be approachable but also glamorized. Right, So like okay, so
(18:35):
that's why you had to be a certain weight and
if you and if you gained weight, you were fired.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
What it was, and this was the airline your aunt
worked for.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Yees, So I had an aunt who worked for pan
Am and we still think that the reason why she
got that job, because it was back in the sixties
was she was very fair skin and white presenting. Right.
She used to be on weight check all the time.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I mean speak of like discriminate in the work and
like casting people for like jobs Abercrombie and Fitch.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Do you remember that, Yeah, well no, it's burned in
my memory.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
They were constantly and they got I think they got
sued and they were like, yeah, we did it like
they did and even yes, yeah, yeah absolutely. It was
like only white people too, Like black people were given stock.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yes, did you see that documentary by Yeah, where they
had like the fat black people in the back who
were like what, they had no idea what was going on.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
I've been in social situations where people have put me
in the back of the picture because they don't want
I ruined the aesthetic this was I was younger, like,
this is not not people I surround myself with now.
But like people will be like, oh, you're the tallest.
I'm like, there's a bitch of six two the tallest.
I'm the gods like me, and people will put you
like that is an aesthetic thing. And you you'll see
(19:54):
it where you see like groups of people who don't
have a single friend that's like above a size six
or something in your there that's like a that's like
if you don't have any friends that are in a
bigger body or queer or like a person of color.
I'm like, yeah, what's going on here? What's what's going
on here?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
What's going on in? You know what?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
That's really interesting about that, like people sort of asking
you to sort of sit in the back because you
don't fit the aesthetic, I can tell you. And I
think this is and I was saying this the other
day when we were talking to Karen and Georgia. Right,
it's like, Yeah, I wish so badly that when I
was growing up there was this body positivity movement that
(20:32):
I feel like I wish so badly that I had
been able to take advantage of, because I grew up
in this place of self loathing, right, like a lot
of people who and people who loved me, right, who
did who would say things to me like such a
pretty face, if only right? And so I think what
ended up happening to me was not so much that
(20:53):
people were putting me in the back I was putting
myself in the back because I have pictures of myself,
and it's something that I only really saw after I
lost weight, was how I was sort of like hunching
over and like sort of wearing like extra baggy clothes,
trying really hard to not be seen at all, totally
(21:13):
putting myself in the back more than people actually doing that.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
It was like a self selecting.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yeah, really really, but it's so like I would hope
that there's somebody who's like studying that because I was
fucked up for a really long time.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Yea.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
It's like the way we treat ourselves as almost like we're.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Oh, it's so evident. I mean when I like, my
body has changed a lot over the years due to
just like health conditions, and when I was actually thinner
and I thought fat was a bad word and I
hated my body. Now that I'm not afraid to like
be seen, it's it translates so differently. It's like now
that I'm just like whatever, Like I love myself, I
(21:49):
think I'm hot, and I don't think fat is a
bad word, which obviously there's a lot of like fat
is ugly, fat is lazy, fat is in cert sort
of negative term here, but like I didn't I was
closed off with my body language and stuff when I
was slightly thinner, like I didn't want to be seen
or take up space. And now that I'm bigger and
I actually want to take up space, I get the
most attention from like men that I ever have.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Like you're non self conscious, yeah, and like you especially
like energetically when you're open to the world, like that,
the world really does meet you where you are, yes
to the time. So like if you are not, if
you're closing yourself up, you're self selecting or putting yourself
in the back. Right, Like the subversive messaging I was
receiving when I was fat was like the less of you,
the better, Like we are only happy when there's less
(22:33):
of you, like and that is like for a twelve
year old like gay kid to like receive that message
from authority, like you listen to authority when you're a kid,
like when you're coming up and like you're you're trying
to just like follow the rules, so like kind of
getting that notion that like you should be the toned
down version of yourself.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
And also when it's again when it's somebody who is
supposed to love you, right, a parent, you know, a
good friend, a relative, and they're telling you be less
of you. If we would love you more, that's the
message you're hearing, right, we would love you more if
there was less of you, if you were not as big,
if you were quieter, more reserved, if you sort of
(23:13):
like staying in your place, like all these things that
we get.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
And it's like, especially back then, like in the nineties,
it's like fat was equal to really bad health, awful
things are going to happen to you. So like parents
at the time were like, oh, we're just trying to
like keep our kids safe, like they're just trying to
like it.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Started as good intentions, but like with everything that's come out,
it's kind of like, well, you have to like a
lot more. And also like I was always told I
was too much like personality wise too, but also like
I think obviously the world wants women to be smaller.
So and this sort of like you know skinny Apocalypse
ozethic era where it's like less of women both like
(23:51):
metaphorically and physically is better better like in quotation, but yeah,
it's like I mean I have people in my life
who I love dearly, and they make comments that I clock,
or they like reels on Instagram that I see where
like it's not you saying fat people are awful, but
it's it's like the microaggression of like, oh, that's a joke,
that that's your internalized stuff. And I'm someone to where
(24:13):
I'm like, I never want a friend to feel like
they can't talk to me about body image stuff because
we're all victims to it. It's like we're all in
this system.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
It's not like just fat, but it's also like.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
It's internalized stuff, and so that's everyone's journey, and I'm
grateful that I'm on a different level of that journey
where I'm like, I don't hate myself, but it's like
crazy like I'll do like modeling or like boudoir shoots
and the photographers photographers will say to me, like I
have like really skinny women come in who like do
not want to show their stomach, and they're like you're in.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Here being like, oh my god, it's like it's just like.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
An energy thing. But I feel so bad that like
so many people that being told that they're like too much,
and they're like not.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
You don't have to be fat to hate your body. Yeah, right,
like a lot of skinny people are self conscious. Yeah,
it really is like you're saying like an energy thing.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
It's you know, the you know, as somebody who's going
through perimenopause. I'm getting older and like today I was
looking at myself. I was going to do I'm going
to record myself and do like a TikTok, and I
was looking at my face and I was like.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Do you know I mean crazy by the way, because
you're like striking, But do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Though, It's like and and so what what have I
been listening to? What? What is the message that I
have been getting that, like there is something wrong with
getting older?
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Oh my god, right, there's.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Something wrong with getting older. There's something wrong with having
like extra skin or being flabby, or being fat, or
being too short or being like there are all these
things that we hear and you have to be very
very careful and super self aware to not give in
to that, right, And it's and it takes a long
time to unlearn those things. And I keep on going
(25:50):
back to it, like I wish so badly that I
had heard that I was okay the way that I was,
and that it you know, if you want to lose weight,
that's fine. If you don't, that's fine. Also, I had
this conversation with a family member who was trying to
get me to get another family member to have weight
loss surgery because I had had it right, you should
(26:11):
tell them that they should do it, and I was like,
I'm not gonna tell them shit, Like, they can do
it if they want to. But there's nothing wrong with
this person. They could stay the way that they are.
They are smart and beautiful and all the things that
one should spa But for that.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
I'm like, why do people feel like it's okay to
tell other people how their lives should be lived? That is?
It really boils down to that, Like but at the
end of the day, it's like, why do you feel
like it's okay to like and I see this where
it's like, oh, well, I'm just trying to help them
be healthy, and it's like, well, I'm just trying to
get you to not sound like a fucking idiot, like
(26:45):
don't put your foot in your mouth like that where
you're I.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Really really think that there are people who truly believe yeah,
they are saying that they're helping, they're trying to help,
and it is coming from a place of love, but
they don't understand.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
They don't understand the nuance. And there's more. It's more
than just like fat equals bad and unhealthy, right, Yeah,
I have skinny friends who popeyes eight times a week, like,
and you know, like, and people don't understand that you can,
like I exercise not with the intent of losing weight,
but with the intent of taking care of my body. Yes,
and I like sometimes my weight fluctuates and sometimes it doesn't.
But people that's like, why wouldn't you want to lose weight?
(27:20):
And I'm like, I actually like my body, Like I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Troy Listen cressedat I stopped playing myself like I exercise,
like and I'm very active, but I just completely stopped
weighing myself because I was like, this is not an
indicator of success or failure or health, like, this is because.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
You are the epicenter this, you know, weigh yourself anymore.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Because it would send me into a fucking tail spin.
I'd be like, oh my god, I'm doing all this
work and I'm gaining weight or I'm doing none of
this I'm losing, Like yeah, and it was just like
and I was just like, at no point. My friend
in her bathroom has a scale where when you step
on it, it just gives you a compliment. It doesn't
everyone number. And it's like, I weigh myself every time
I'm out her fucking house because I'm like, I'm.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Giving you when that says you are the episode you look.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Great, and it's just like it was. It's just like
it's cute and goofy, but it's it's a reminder that like, yeah,
this doesn't fucking matter. This is just Earth's gravity pulling
you down to the Earth, and what that actual like equates.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Also, different weights look different on different people. Like I
was with. I was at Plus Brooklyn, which is like
a really awesome It's New York City's like only like
consignment shop for plus sized people.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
May like Vintage Plus Brooklyn.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
It's amazing. I'm there all the time, and they it's
a really safe space for like bigger bodies to find
fashion in a brick and mortar store, which you can't do.
You can't just like walk into them all and find
an outfit as a plus size bro. You can't and
I was with someone and we were talking about like
just like our sizes and we have two very different
bodies and wear the same size, and like you can't.
I'm sure we're different weights, but like you just can't
(28:54):
ever tell. You just can't.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
So like, yeah, waite settles in on somebody, and a
lot of different ways to genetic I mean, there's a
lot that comes into it. I used to do this
really fucked up thing where I would I got on
the scale every day. I would take a picture of it,
and I had a folder in my phone with my
you know, and I finally was like, that's weird, Melissa,
(29:17):
you should stop doing that. I started to realize it
was really bad for me because, like Michael said, depending
on what the number said, it would send.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Me of what you whether you had a good day.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Or yeah, it would determine that my good day or not.
And I was a much I realized that I was
a much happier person when I got rid of it.
I believe in them all and I don't do it anymore.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
This case was super interesting. Basically like the Departmental Probation
sided Medical Fitness, but they couldn't show up policy or
standard behind it, which really boils down to like.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
We just don't like this.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
And also like I see this all the time of
lawsuits where it's like a thing happens, a person gets fired,
there was no policy that they did it, they shouldn't
have been doing it, and then they get sued and
they're like, oh, well we have some policy, but they
like they can't back it up and they know they
fucked up, so we know how it ended for that.
So this is still ongoing.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Well, the article, it's like, hasn't it been going on
for years?
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Two? Yeah, And it's also like there's gonna be a settlement.
There's got to be a settlement or something like. This
is ongoing. But in the.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Meantime, this poor person, they're like their life is at
I mean not at a standstill, but there's something that
they were trying to do.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Yeah, where's my fucking job. I was trying to get
a paycheck. Like it wasn't like you're.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
And now I'm I don't know, dumping all my money
into this stupid Okay.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Doubling down is crazy, Like yeah, you're a point where
you can just be like, hey.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
That's not cool.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
I should be on learning this this stuff and like,
I'm really sorry, here's money, Like you could get out
of this so easily.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
I was. I was flying this is Actually I was
flying this weekend and a fat person sat next to
me and I turned to him and I was like,
I'm six four almost six y five, and I was like,
I don't fit on this like he was. He was
like sorry, sorry, and I was like I don't fit
on this plane either, man, Like I'm I can't stand
(31:10):
up in the bathroom. This is this plane wasn't made
for people, like this wasn't made for us. I'm wearing
like business class, but.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Neither of us is more comfortable.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
It's the organization, it's the institution. Right.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Well, I was.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Telling someone today at Plus Brooklyn that weird time about
how me and this other girl had both been stuck
at one point in the emergency like isle and you're
not allowed to be in it if you're a certain size.
So like one time I was on the plane and
they were like actually they sat in front of the
whole packed plane. They were like, you have to You're
too big to be in this seat. You need to move.
(31:45):
And so then I had to like go around and
like ask different people to move and people wouldn't move.
So it was just like this like scene in front
of the plane, and like it was It's one of
those things where like I don't feel ashamed by how
I look. I actually think I'm beautiful, but like when
you're in a position like that where you know what
other people think and you're just sort of like it's
delaying the taking off and stuff, and this happened. This
happens a lot to people.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Because super.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
About that. That is really fucked up. It's fine, you
don't want me to sit in this seat because you
think that I'm too big? Fine, how dare you make
me go around asking people to make something? Sorry, I
can't even talk about like that is no, that's outrageous though, honestly,
like the idea, the audacity to make you do that job.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
I'm like I could say, people.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Like you think.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
I'm to be like, let's throw you in the water.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
I will tell you.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
So.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
My dad, my dad. I used to make travel amazements
for my father, and as my father was getting older,
I started to feel like, Dad, you really shouldn't be
in that seat because you can't help anybody do anything.
He's like, I'm not helping ship I don't like, I
don't care.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
I'm not helping you.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
You do anything. He's like, but I want the extra
leg room or whatever.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
It was like, okay, honestly fair though, what if I
said that to the flight attendant. They're like, you need
to move your two fat and I'm like, well I
need what are you going to cost me to one? A?
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Well?
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Anna, thank you for joining us. This has been so glad,
this is great.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Yeah, tell us your socials and let everybody know what
you're going to be taking your show on the road again.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
This is your camera, so straight to can all your
socials flip it?
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Okay, I'm anna snap hm and my my socials are
the Anna snap t A G A N N A
s N A p P. There are two p's in snaps.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
And when we're talking about, you know, opening yourself up
to the world, what sort of messages are you looking
to receive and from whom?
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Oh, thank you so much for your work and your words.
I here's what I'm moving to. Okay. I love compliments,
I love praise. Yeah, period, it's kidding. Yes to my dms.
I'm single, love it, love it.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
And also both Michael and I are following Anna, so
if you find.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Yeah, you can find.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
And I have no followers, so you'll be really easy,
but not for life.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
In real life.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Oh my god, we have to do it again.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
This is tales from the DMS, where you guys send
me the weirdest, craziest, nuttiest, freakiest things you find on
the Internet and you send them to me in the
form of a question, and I answer it as a lawyer.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
But remember, friends, like I always tell you what Michael
is a lawyer. He is not your lawyer.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
All right, So this is our first question.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
First question.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
I had a best friend for about eight years. Maybe
they were a very wealthy family. I was there like
personal assistant whatnot, and I did a lot of tasks
for them and they couldn't They didn't pay me in cash.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
They said they were like lo.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
On gosh, so they would pay me with like old
designer bags.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Okay, stop stop.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
First of all.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
First of all, first of all, beautiful voice.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Next whatever. But I was already annoyed when I heard that.
He was like, well, you know, I was my best friend,
but I was working for them for no money. What
they were taking advantage.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Sir, Yes, yeah, that have some self respect something. I mean,
I mean, way to victim blame Michael, right.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Yeah, we don't actually we don't understand.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Show him on the family, right.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Yeah, game on the family. And it is too bad
that you were I mean, I'm assuming in a situation
where you felt like you had to do this, but
I already don't like this.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
It sounds like this okay, So the question, really, the
crux of the question really is that, like he was
arrested for selling these bags given to him as payment.
It was no big deal. In college, this friend was
a roommate. They this this lived in his friend's house
as a roommate and paid rent. Moved to a city,
(36:00):
accuser of stealing stop by the police had a warrant
for my arrest for theft considered state jail felony theft. Okay,
so these were like beat up designer bags. They accused
him of stealing the bags from this house. But it
sounds like they couldn't pay him in cash originally. So
this is.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Like like almost like a barter.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Yeah, but also like if they couldn't pay you originally,
that's the first sign that they're broke. And now they're
trying to operation repo the fucking bags. Like that's messed up.
I'm sorry, excuse me, pay a fucking employee. You then
paid them in goods, and then you were like give
me that bag.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
But not even like good goods, beat up goods. This
is all of this is sitting very wrong with me,
sleeping a bad taste in the mouth.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
So insofar as like the law, the fact that there's
a warrant out for your arrest, I know you haven't
heard in a while, like that is concerning to me.
Like warrants don't expire, they're just not enforced. So I
would A felony arrest can't be ignored. It's not just
gonna like go away on its own, So I would.
I would contact like the court or a clerk somehow
(37:04):
wherever it was issued and try and find out, like
if it's still an active warrant.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Should this person see a lawyer that.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Oh, definitely like speaking find a lawyer, friends, Yeah, because
waiting six months to resolve a warrant like ken, I
did not like.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
This for you at all.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Actually, I hate questions like this because now it's gonna
what's gonna happen to me? Is like I'm going to
be thinking about this.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Yes. Well, the other thing is, don't fucking talk to
that roommate. Don't communicate with the accuser because anything you're saying,
they're compiling evidence, and you should be compiling evidence too.
So like any comms they send you, any emails, you
have receipts, like you were given the bags as payment,
and that's technically like a legal transfer, not theft. You're
just gonna have to like prove that somehow. So if
(37:45):
there you'll have to like show services rendered. I know
they didn't give you a receipt for the bags, but
I would want you to sort of dig and show
that like you did do work and there there was
some sort of like exchange for this rather than theft.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
I mean, you tell me, Michael, like see if there
are any emails or text messages to like like living
there in.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Like work you're going to do. Yeah, everything done verbally
like that is what I would really dig in. If
this were my client, I would do around that.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Please if you can go see an attorney. I'm very
worried about you.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
I really like that's I mean, that's very sweet of you. Yeah, definitely, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
But I hate I hate bullies. I hate shit like this.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Yeah, and like the fact that they were trying to
take them back and they also do pay you also
just fucking pay the part like that is so weird.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
I don't like anything.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Something's not adding up, something's wrong. Anyway, this has been
tales from the d MS. Feel free to send us
your questions anything, any weird legal questions do you have
on your mind? Send them our way. Y'all asked me
about driverless cars and I was in a driverless driverless
car last week and it was really fun to Yeah,
I loved it.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Was it weird?
Speaker 1 (38:53):
I prefer it?
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Is it because you don't want to be spoken to,
because I don't if I.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
Don't want to be perceived by the internet as someone
who don't make eye contact with me. But I did
love not having to chat and there it was immaculate.
It was so clean. It was so clean, and it
kind of drove like a messy bitch, like it drove
like a taxi driver, like it was not like super robotic.
I was like, oh, you almost killed her. Yeah, it
(39:24):
was really like driving as if it were like you
and I were driving where it's like pulls up and
like slams on the brakes or like right on red
Like there was all sorts of stuff where it was like,
oh wow, this is like a real person. I thought
it was going to be like you know, the fucking
airport trolley. H yeah. Yeah, it goes really really slow
and it's like right, but pretty fuch.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
I would like something like that, is because I don't
love endless chatter when I'm in a car. I don't
mind it saying hi, obviously, I love that, but like
the constant chattering while I'm in a cab or something
just kind.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Of I'm like that with a massage too.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Oh I prefer a silent massage.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Yeah, and I'll tell them up up top. Thank you
so much. I'm probably gonna fall asleep. Yeah, so feel
free to not.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
My massage jaff is great and I'll wave if I
need you.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, this has been brief recess. Thank you
so much for joining us. I'm Michael Foot, I'm Melissa
malbranch I'll see you in court. This has been an
exactly right production recorded at iHeart Studios, hosted by me
Michael Foot.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
And me Melissa albranch Our. Producer is CJ.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Ferroni This episode was edited by Nicholas Galucci.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Our associate producer is Christina Chamberlain, and our guest booker
is Patria Cottner.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Our theme song was composed by Tom Bridevogel with artwork
from Charlotte Delarue and Vanessa Lilac, with photography by Brad Obono.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Brief Recess is executive produced by Karen Kilgareth Georgia hart Stark,
and Danielle Kramer.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
You can find me on Instagram at Department of Redundancy
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Speaker 2 (00:51):
That's what I wanted, I know, but but I mean,
you knew that I wasn't going to come. What did
I do this weekend? I have to complain about?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Okay, Yeah, get on the record, and I'm going.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
To complain about this these two things, knowing, knowing that
I am in a place of privilege, right, I'm super lucky,
very blessed.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Yes, I know that's nice. Give me the fucking complaint.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
I bought a new car. I bought a new car.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
This is like a really privileged Okay, I said. I
thought it was going to be like no, no, no,
I sent back my entree. No, no, no, It's like
I invested in a huge automobile. I mean it hundreds
of thousands and it's a g wagon.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
It is No, it's not. It's the rim spin that
spend that kind of money on.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Oh I would I love a little large ass, a
little disposed of income. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
No, anyway, I'm disgusting.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I'm an American, I'm from Long Island.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I'm sorry to hear that. I don't know what to
say to you.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I don't have like a fun cultural background like you.
I'm just a white boy.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I need to understand, and I really want somebody who
is in the know to get back to me on this.
I need to unders and why it takes so fucking
long to buy a car. I got to the dealership
Oh my god o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Can we just order it on seamless? This is actually
any and I'm sorry anyone who's broke listening to this,
but it is actually a nightmare.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I mean, I think it doesn't even matter how much
money you're right, if you're into buy a car, you're buying.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
A car, right, Why can't we just call forward and
be like, Hi, I want a car? Now, No, you
have to go to some guy on a lot. They're
all in the four different guy It is actually wild,
and all of them gave you a different price in
an answer and everything.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Now, no, no, no, that's not what it was. But
it was like everybody at every different level, right, I
got so first I had my salesperson, okay, fine, Then
I met like every fucking level of manager. It took
all day, and I gotta tell you, I mean.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
I would have charged them for a meet and greet,
not to.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Like toot my own horn, but like I got a
good credit score and I had the money, right, so like, what's.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
The what's the old boys?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah, no, eight o'clock in the morning. I think I
started really looking at like nine because I was there
to get my regular car. Serviced. I did not walk
out of that lot with a car until three o'clock
in the afternoon, Michael, and I.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Was, I'm sorry, life is sure? That is that is
so I would have liked I couldn't.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
At the end of it, I was like shaking, Oh.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
My god, no, so mad, No, I would have that
was that's crazy, egregious and like you're buying a car
you wanted to be like a fun, joyous.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
No, it was I'm pissed off with the car again.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yeah. And then I was reading a thing because I
was trying to buy a car and Carbana or like
one of those as I thought it would be, but
it wasn't and I ended up not doing it. And
then I read a report that those prices were wrong
and that they're maybe being sued. I don't know. Fact
check me. Someone comment below if you bought something from
one of those, but I really like car website.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Somebody, either you own a car dealership or you're a
car salesperson, put me on so that I can avoid
this movie.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Yeah yeah, Or if you're a car company and wants
to the show, please let us know because this is
it's egregious.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
The other thing, now, this is I was really thinking
about this because I'm thinking about people who are going
into a new month without benefits and the cost of
how much it costs to eat healthy. Right, So, again,
understanding that I'm coming at this from a place of privilege.
I was going through a farmer's market and I decided
(04:15):
that I was going to buy an apple. One apple.
How much did that apple cost me?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Michael A couple bucks?
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I bet four dollars.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Oh my god, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
And I bought it.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
And I spend money on the stupidest shit. I'm like, oh,
a fifty dollars delivery, Yeah, that's fine. I'm like, and
I really mow through money. I set it on fire.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
What are you buying?
Speaker 1 (04:38):
That's the problem is I don't know what I'm buying.
I'm just like top top every everywhere I go, I'm tapping.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yeah, you know what. I think. This used to happen
to me a lot. But you sort of go out
and you spend you know you've spent money, but all
you have to show for it is like a pack.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Of gums regret.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, no pack a gum and a cost Yeah, I say.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Like, wake up in New York. It costs like one
hundred dollars just to wake up. And it's death by
a thousand paper cuts because it's like, oh, thirty dollars here,
thirty dollars there, twenty nine ninety nine for this. Everything
is thirty to forty dollars now and before you know,
buying four of them a day. Yeah, and then another thing,
and then like, oh I need a special treat. I
always have to get a special treat. Melissa saw me
(05:20):
drinking a coke when I came in here. She was like,
what are you doing? And I was like, once a month.
The little demon that lives inside me says, you have
to drink a coke in order to feel bad, and
it's great. I love it. If you're getting a migraine, Oh, coke, coke,
a Coca cola.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
And either saltine, pretzels, pretzelsze pretzels.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
That is the only thing. No migraine medication works. I
just do that and it's great.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
A coke and some pretzels.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yeah, Okay, Well let's go into a sidebar because something
crazy happen to me. This is sidebar.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
I don't have rona, do you No, I'm like, I'm fine,
don't give me that man, I'll be so much I
will probably stop talking to you.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
I've had COVID so many times. I'm like a superbug.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Okay, I don't want it.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Yeah, I don't have it.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
All right.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
If I get it, it's because he gave it to me.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
If I had a dollar for every time a man
said that to me, I would actually I would be
able to pay my fucking AMEX bill.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
You still haven't told me what you bought.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I mean a lot of it is like flights. I'm like, okay,
So I am at that point in my life where
I have set standards and pract best practices for myself.
I don't sit in anything but business class anymore. And
that is like and I've worked hard to get here. Also,
we've talked about dry cleaning bills that one hundred dollars
a week easily just wearing the shirt to the show today,
(06:45):
this is going to be eight dollars to dry clean.
Just to clean it, I had to pay for the shirt,
and now every time I wear it, I pay too.
Oh wait, last episode, we promised the world that we
would talk about your dad on a jury, and because
we ran out of time, we didn't get to it.
You have to tell the story of your father. Sorry,
non sequitur, just diving in here.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Here's the thing about people being on juries that I
think we have to sort of be aware of. Like
sometimes you will get a man like my father, who
we missed very much. But I remember my dad was
on a jury and I said to him, how's it going,
And he was just like, he did it. And I
was like, who he's like, no, Missay, he did it.
(07:29):
And I was like, how do you know that he
did it? And he said it was two o'clock in
the morning. What was he doing out if he good?
And I remember me and my brother looking at each
other and I said.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Pop in the morning.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
He was like, does not mean And he was like
and he said to me, has anything good ever happened
at two o'clock in the morning. And I gotta tell you,
he kind of got you with That got me so
beware of people like my dad on a tree who's
like it was two luck in the morning, or they
were wearing those pants or whatever.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
This is a criminal defense lawyer's greatest nightmare is that
Joel is on the jury. I've spent a year building
a fucking defense for this person, and We've got Joel
on the jury who's got his glasses on like this, mm,
can we drop a picture of my dad? I don't, Yeah,
drop in a photo drone not doing a good impression. Uh,
(08:30):
he was out at two in the morning. It's clearly guilty.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Guilty as hell.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Oh my god, and my capital punishment for me?
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Then my dad meant that shit, did we convict? I
don't remember what happened a long time ago. It was
a long time ago, but I remember, and I remember
trying to say to my father, that's not a good
enough reason. Yeah it is.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
It sounds like he did. I think we know what happened.
It sounds like he was not swayed by the other
And my mom.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Was like co sligning. She was like, sure, but this
is a lady who was yelling on her windows through
that woman's hit her kids.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Well, this is the other thing is I'm like, Brad,
you're married to a defense attorney. He was on a
jury once and and he was the foreman.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
But I feel like Brad was listening really carefully.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
And he ended up convicting. I was like, I can't
believe you're invicted.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Did the guy deserve it?
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Wow? Microaggression. Guy. Women can be guilty too if they can,
but yeah, it was a guy. It's mostly men who
are guilty.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
I'm going to say it's not all.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Not all men, but most of them and no women
and no women. All right, Well, I'm excited we have
Anna Snaps in the studio today.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Wait to meet her.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
She's so excited.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I can't wait to meet her.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
So she's going to be joining us for under Oath,
where we're going to be talking about some interesting like
fat discrimination lawsuits and the law behind it. It gets
kind of weird and I feel like we'll probably got
derailed big time.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
But the best intentions conversation that.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
The road to hell is paved with good intentions and
we're going straight, so we'll be right back.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Gasoline Pani.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
You're listening to brief Did you say gasoline panties? Is
that a saying? I say that that's a great fashion
line that is no monetize that. This segment is called
under Oath. I'm here with my good friend, demonic, evil
man hating wench Anna Snap. I love her so much.
(10:22):
Please welcome her. The briefs that she looks scandalized ancestors.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Very much.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
They speak a myth of her.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
I've never heard that sentence.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
They speak. She's iconic. I know her from all over
the internet. Ana, welcome. We wanted to talk about all
sorts of.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Mean Yeah, don't you speak for you apparently, I'm a
man hating wench.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
And You're in good company.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
You're seriously, you are not alone.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Everyone clock in, you are not alone.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
I am here with you.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Hi, I'm Anna.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
We're meeting for the first time in person.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Oh my god, iconic for so long.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I'm so excited to meet you in person.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
I know it's so I'm We've been talking without you. Wait, well,
it was a whole ship list. I dm her, I said,
I thank I'm so much.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
I'm so mad. Those are just listening. Who didn't see
Anna is doing this thing with her hair, with her
bangs that is I am so mad. I can't do it.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Thank you so much. Clocking doesn't mean you can't.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Just delusional bitch.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Added to the list.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Yes, well, thank you for joining us, Adam. We really
wanted to talk about I mean, you are so vocal
online about all sorts of issues that fat people face,
that plus size actors face. You and I have talked
about this extensively as well to gather there. So I
thought it'd be great to have you on because we
cover all sorts of different lawsuits here on the show,
and there have been a lot of really interesting discrimination
(12:03):
cases around, like fat people, plus size people, whatever the
vertacular is that you use and prefer. But also Melissa
and I have like some really interesting personal experiences in
this space. I don't know if you want to speak
to that, I can speak to mine, which I was
a really fat kid and I've been on a diet
since I was like in the nineties.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
So died in the nineties. It's shocking.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
I've never heard of that many way and many snack wells.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Yeah, and I also was a fat kid, a fadolescent,
a fat young woman also had been on a diet.
I remember being in the first grade going to my
pediatrician that's a schwartz who's no longer with us, and
it was the worst. It was the worst kind of
thing to give to a kid, right, So it was
like a hamburger, patty, no bunt, a scoop of cottage cheese.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
That's actually that is not the.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Cottage. It was wor Oh my god. So you're an
actor I am. I am not a paid crisis actor,
but you have you've been doing a one woman show.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
I think I have two one woman shows. Actually the
woman heard that's what we've been doing about.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
No.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Two one woman shows. One is autobiographical and I've been
performing it for like a decade international, and it's about
my experiences with chronic illness, a passive eating disorder PTSD,
mental illness, just a little concoction so a really light
hearted goodeeling is partially comedy, is mostly drama. But what's
(13:35):
funny is that I randomly got picked up by the
medical community, so I'll perform for like doctors and students
and stuff. So that's been like a awesome but yeah,
it's been cool. I perform it, like performed off Broadway,
I performed at Edinburgh. Friend, I performederforming for the medical community,
like what what are you doing? So I do the
(13:56):
show and then there's often like a talk back or
like a panel discussion to like let especially like med
students ask questions because obviously they're taught the science, but
they're not always taught like the empathy in the bedside
manner and kind of the human side of medicine. Yeah,
it's definitely ties into.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
This sort of like discrimination and.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
The fatness and being a bigger body, especially as it
relates to like eating disorders or just being in a
bigger body, and how it relates to even like chronic
illness and stuff. And then my other one woman show
I did, I created over Lockdown. I interviewed like over
four hundred people about their experience battling and eating disorder,
and then I created something called a verbatim theater piece
where you basically recreate their voice on stage, so like
if they have an accent, if they pause, if they
(14:32):
say oh, if they haven't whatever, it is cut down
their interview into like a monologue. So I performed ten
different characters, including my own stories.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
So that's so.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
I just had my autobiographical show in Philly like a
few weeks ago. I'm trying to do it again next year.
I'm trying to bring it back to New York.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
So okay, so if you're launching this, and if you're
a producer, policere sas at exactly right Media dot com
and we'll put you in touch with snacks. We do
dream making here at exactly Right we are. I thought
it would be cool to kind of talk about this,
(15:13):
Like there's this discrimination lawsuit that's currently like making its
way through the New York system. It's called Harris by
New York, and it was a civil servant applicant who
was trying to become a civil servant to become a
probation officer. So I do with probation officers like all
the time as a criminal defense lawyer, and they basically
denied her because of her size. So it's really interesting.
(15:34):
Fat is not like a protected class under any US
federal law, so you technically can't sue under federal law
for like fat discrimination. So there are some like interesting
workarounds that I found that, like people sometimes will sue
under the American Disabilities Act the ADA, which is like
very established federal law that people sue under, but most
(15:55):
courts have held that, like obesity isn't a disability that
and that is the argument that plaintiffs make right when
they've been discriminated against because of their size, they then
argue that under the ADA, they're being discriminated against because
of their weight. One of the interesting things that people
have been able to do is like if it is
connected to like a medical issue, So if you say,
(16:16):
like this medical issue equals my body being a different size,
then I'm able to You're able to sort of find
relief under the ada.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
You know what that sounds like. I mean, I know
it's not exactly the same thing, but it's I've had
two aunts who had been flight attendants, and you used
to have to do weight check in order to be
a flight attendant and it was like five to two
to five nine and no more than one hundred and
thirty five pounds. And it has nothing to do with
(16:45):
being able to do the job. It was all about
the aesthetics. So you need it to be no glasses, unblemished, unmarried,
no kids, white.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
That is actually the criteria when we were casting this show.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
So and look at what happened.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Joked, It's okay, I'll go fuck myself anyway, least continue
flight attendance.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
But yeah, it just had to do with aesthetics, right,
So nothing to actually having.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
To do that on Emirates on I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
About Emirates, but the last time that they were actually
doing that still in the United States was nineteen ninety five,
which is really just about crazy.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Which is when I was on Weight Watchers. Yeah, like
it was like around that time. Yeah, wow, yeah, that's extraordinary.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Like we're todd that that's the aesthetic, you know what
I mean, it's not even like that. That's like like
hundreds of years ago, if you were fat, you were
worshiped because it meant you had money, Right, do I
have money?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
No? But it should be she's self producing woman around
the world. Hey, Michael and Melissa, what's it like being.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Poor porn worshiped?
Speaker 1 (18:05):
So basically, I mean, we really don't need to cover
the case. It's like you wanted to just keep talking,
but you were. You were talking a little bit about
the airlines.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Yeah, well I was, and just again it's it was
all about the aesthetic. It had absolutely nothing to do
with how well you could do the job or whether
or not you could do the job. But for them
to be a flight attendant a stewardess as they were
called back in the day, is that you needed to
be approachable but also glamorized. Right, So like okay, so
(18:35):
that's why you had to be a certain weight and
if you and if you gained weight, you were fired.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
What it was, and this was the airline your aunt
worked for.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Yees, So I had an aunt who worked for pan
Am and we still think that the reason why she
got that job, because it was back in the sixties
was she was very fair skin and white presenting. Right.
She used to be on weight check all the time.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I mean speak of like discriminate in the work and
like casting people for like jobs Abercrombie and Fitch.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Do you remember that, Yeah, well no, it's burned in
my memory.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
They were constantly and they got I think they got
sued and they were like, yeah, we did it like
they did and even yes, yeah, yeah absolutely. It was
like only white people too, Like black people were given stock.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yes, did you see that documentary by Yeah, where they
had like the fat black people in the back who
were like what, they had no idea what was going on.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
I've been in social situations where people have put me
in the back of the picture because they don't want
I ruined the aesthetic this was I was younger, like,
this is not not people I surround myself with now.
But like people will be like, oh, you're the tallest.
I'm like, there's a bitch of six two the tallest.
I'm the gods like me, and people will put you
like that is an aesthetic thing. And you you'll see
(19:54):
it where you see like groups of people who don't
have a single friend that's like above a size six
or something in your there that's like a that's like
if you don't have any friends that are in a
bigger body or queer or like a person of color.
I'm like, yeah, what's going on here? What's what's going
on here?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
What's going on in? You know what?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
That's really interesting about that, like people sort of asking
you to sort of sit in the back because you
don't fit the aesthetic, I can tell you. And I
think this is and I was saying this the other
day when we were talking to Karen and Georgia. Right,
it's like, Yeah, I wish so badly that when I
was growing up there was this body positivity movement that
(20:32):
I feel like I wish so badly that I had
been able to take advantage of, because I grew up
in this place of self loathing, right, like a lot
of people who and people who loved me, right, who
did who would say things to me like such a
pretty face, if only right? And so I think what
ended up happening to me was not so much that
(20:53):
people were putting me in the back I was putting
myself in the back because I have pictures of myself,
and it's something that I only really saw after I
lost weight, was how I was sort of like hunching
over and like sort of wearing like extra baggy clothes,
trying really hard to not be seen at all, totally
(21:13):
putting myself in the back more than people actually doing that.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
It was like a self selecting.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yeah, really really, but it's so like I would hope
that there's somebody who's like studying that because I was
fucked up for a really long time.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Yea.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
It's like the way we treat ourselves as almost like we're.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Oh, it's so evident. I mean when I like, my
body has changed a lot over the years due to
just like health conditions, and when I was actually thinner
and I thought fat was a bad word and I
hated my body. Now that I'm not afraid to like
be seen, it's it translates so differently. It's like now
that I'm just like whatever, Like I love myself, I
(21:49):
think I'm hot, and I don't think fat is a
bad word, which obviously there's a lot of like fat
is ugly, fat is lazy, fat is in cert sort
of negative term here, but like I didn't I was
closed off with my body language and stuff when I
was slightly thinner, like I didn't want to be seen
or take up space. And now that I'm bigger and
I actually want to take up space, I get the
most attention from like men that I ever have.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Like you're non self conscious, yeah, and like you especially
like energetically when you're open to the world, like that,
the world really does meet you where you are, yes
to the time. So like if you are not, if
you're closing yourself up, you're self selecting or putting yourself
in the back. Right, Like the subversive messaging I was
receiving when I was fat was like the less of you,
the better, Like we are only happy when there's less
(22:33):
of you, like and that is like for a twelve
year old like gay kid to like receive that message
from authority, like you listen to authority when you're a kid,
like when you're coming up and like you're you're trying
to just like follow the rules, so like kind of
getting that notion that like you should be the toned
down version of yourself.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
And also when it's again when it's somebody who is
supposed to love you, right, a parent, you know, a
good friend, a relative, and they're telling you be less
of you. If we would love you more, that's the
message you're hearing, right, we would love you more if
there was less of you, if you were not as big,
if you were quieter, more reserved, if you sort of
(23:13):
like staying in your place, like all these things that
we get.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
And it's like, especially back then, like in the nineties,
it's like fat was equal to really bad health, awful
things are going to happen to you. So like parents
at the time were like, oh, we're just trying to
like keep our kids safe, like they're just trying to
like it.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Started as good intentions, but like with everything that's come out,
it's kind of like, well, you have to like a
lot more. And also like I was always told I
was too much like personality wise too, but also like
I think obviously the world wants women to be smaller.
So and this sort of like you know skinny Apocalypse
ozethic era where it's like less of women both like
(23:51):
metaphorically and physically is better better like in quotation, but yeah,
it's like I mean I have people in my life
who I love dearly, and they make comments that I clock,
or they like reels on Instagram that I see where
like it's not you saying fat people are awful, but
it's it's like the microaggression of like, oh, that's a joke,
that that's your internalized stuff. And I'm someone to where
(24:13):
I'm like, I never want a friend to feel like
they can't talk to me about body image stuff because
we're all victims to it. It's like we're all in
this system.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
It's not like just fat, but it's also like.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
It's internalized stuff, and so that's everyone's journey, and I'm
grateful that I'm on a different level of that journey
where I'm like, I don't hate myself, but it's like
crazy like I'll do like modeling or like boudoir shoots
and the photographers photographers will say to me, like I
have like really skinny women come in who like do
not want to show their stomach, and they're like you're in.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Here being like, oh my god, it's like it's just like.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
An energy thing. But I feel so bad that like
so many people that being told that they're like too much,
and they're like not.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
You don't have to be fat to hate your body. Yeah, right,
like a lot of skinny people are self conscious. Yeah,
it really is like you're saying like an energy thing.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
It's you know, the you know, as somebody who's going
through perimenopause. I'm getting older and like today I was
looking at myself. I was going to do I'm going
to record myself and do like a TikTok, and I
was looking at my face and I was like.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Do you know I mean crazy by the way, because
you're like striking, But do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Though, It's like and and so what what have I
been listening to? What? What is the message that I
have been getting that, like there is something wrong with
getting older?
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Oh my god, right, there's.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Something wrong with getting older. There's something wrong with having
like extra skin or being flabby, or being fat, or
being too short or being like there are all these
things that we hear and you have to be very
very careful and super self aware to not give in
to that, right, And it's and it takes a long
time to unlearn those things. And I keep on going
(25:50):
back to it, like I wish so badly that I
had heard that I was okay the way that I was,
and that it you know, if you want to lose weight,
that's fine. If you don't, that's fine. Also, I had
this conversation with a family member who was trying to
get me to get another family member to have weight
loss surgery because I had had it right, you should
(26:11):
tell them that they should do it, and I was like,
I'm not gonna tell them shit, Like, they can do
it if they want to. But there's nothing wrong with
this person. They could stay the way that they are.
They are smart and beautiful and all the things that
one should spa But for that.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
I'm like, why do people feel like it's okay to
tell other people how their lives should be lived? That is?
It really boils down to that, Like but at the
end of the day, it's like, why do you feel
like it's okay to like and I see this where
it's like, oh, well, I'm just trying to help them
be healthy, and it's like, well, I'm just trying to
get you to not sound like a fucking idiot, like
(26:45):
don't put your foot in your mouth like that where
you're I.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Really really think that there are people who truly believe yeah,
they are saying that they're helping, they're trying to help,
and it is coming from a place of love, but
they don't understand.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
They don't understand the nuance. And there's more. It's more
than just like fat equals bad and unhealthy, right, Yeah,
I have skinny friends who popeyes eight times a week, like,
and you know, like, and people don't understand that you can,
like I exercise not with the intent of losing weight,
but with the intent of taking care of my body. Yes,
and I like sometimes my weight fluctuates and sometimes it doesn't.
But people that's like, why wouldn't you want to lose weight?
(27:20):
And I'm like, I actually like my body, Like I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Troy Listen cressedat I stopped playing myself like I exercise,
like and I'm very active, but I just completely stopped
weighing myself because I was like, this is not an
indicator of success or failure or health, like, this is because.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
You are the epicenter this, you know, weigh yourself anymore.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Because it would send me into a fucking tail spin.
I'd be like, oh my god, I'm doing all this
work and I'm gaining weight or I'm doing none of
this I'm losing, Like yeah, and it was just like
and I was just like, at no point. My friend
in her bathroom has a scale where when you step
on it, it just gives you a compliment. It doesn't
everyone number. And it's like, I weigh myself every time
I'm out her fucking house because I'm like, I'm.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Giving you when that says you are the episode you look.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Great, and it's just like it was. It's just like
it's cute and goofy, but it's it's a reminder that like, yeah,
this doesn't fucking matter. This is just Earth's gravity pulling
you down to the Earth, and what that actual like equates.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Also, different weights look different on different people. Like I
was with. I was at Plus Brooklyn, which is like
a really awesome It's New York City's like only like
consignment shop for plus sized people.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
May like Vintage Plus Brooklyn.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
It's amazing. I'm there all the time, and they it's
a really safe space for like bigger bodies to find
fashion in a brick and mortar store, which you can't do.
You can't just like walk into them all and find
an outfit as a plus size bro. You can't and
I was with someone and we were talking about like
just like our sizes and we have two very different
bodies and wear the same size, and like you can't.
I'm sure we're different weights, but like you just can't
(28:54):
ever tell. You just can't.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
So like, yeah, waite settles in on somebody, and a
lot of different ways to genetic I mean, there's a
lot that comes into it. I used to do this
really fucked up thing where I would I got on
the scale every day. I would take a picture of it,
and I had a folder in my phone with my
you know, and I finally was like, that's weird, Melissa,
(29:17):
you should stop doing that. I started to realize it
was really bad for me because, like Michael said, depending
on what the number said, it would send.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Me of what you whether you had a good day.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Or yeah, it would determine that my good day or not.
And I was a much I realized that I was
a much happier person when I got rid of it.
I believe in them all and I don't do it anymore.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
This case was super interesting. Basically like the Departmental Probation
sided Medical Fitness, but they couldn't show up policy or
standard behind it, which really boils down to like.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
We just don't like this.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
And also like I see this all the time of
lawsuits where it's like a thing happens, a person gets fired,
there was no policy that they did it, they shouldn't
have been doing it, and then they get sued and
they're like, oh, well we have some policy, but they
like they can't back it up and they know they
fucked up, so we know how it ended for that.
So this is still ongoing.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Well, the article, it's like, hasn't it been going on
for years?
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Two? Yeah, And it's also like there's gonna be a settlement.
There's got to be a settlement or something like. This
is ongoing. But in the.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Meantime, this poor person, they're like their life is at
I mean not at a standstill, but there's something that
they were trying to do.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Yeah, where's my fucking job. I was trying to get
a paycheck. Like it wasn't like you're.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
And now I'm I don't know, dumping all my money
into this stupid Okay.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Doubling down is crazy, Like yeah, you're a point where
you can just be like, hey.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
That's not cool.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
I should be on learning this this stuff and like,
I'm really sorry, here's money, Like you could get out
of this so easily.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
I was. I was flying this is Actually I was
flying this weekend and a fat person sat next to
me and I turned to him and I was like,
I'm six four almost six y five, and I was like,
I don't fit on this like he was. He was
like sorry, sorry, and I was like I don't fit
on this plane either, man, Like I'm I can't stand
(31:10):
up in the bathroom. This is this plane wasn't made
for people, like this wasn't made for us. I'm wearing
like business class, but.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Neither of us is more comfortable.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
It's the organization, it's the institution. Right.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Well, I was.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Telling someone today at Plus Brooklyn that weird time about
how me and this other girl had both been stuck
at one point in the emergency like isle and you're
not allowed to be in it if you're a certain size.
So like one time I was on the plane and
they were like actually they sat in front of the
whole packed plane. They were like, you have to You're
too big to be in this seat. You need to move.
(31:45):
And so then I had to like go around and
like ask different people to move and people wouldn't move.
So it was just like this like scene in front
of the plane, and like it was It's one of
those things where like I don't feel ashamed by how
I look. I actually think I'm beautiful, but like when
you're in a position like that where you know what
other people think and you're just sort of like it's
delaying the taking off and stuff, and this happened. This
happens a lot to people.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Because super.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
About that. That is really fucked up. It's fine, you
don't want me to sit in this seat because you
think that I'm too big? Fine, how dare you make
me go around asking people to make something? Sorry, I
can't even talk about like that is no, that's outrageous though, honestly,
like the idea, the audacity to make you do that job.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
I'm like I could say, people.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Like you think.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
I'm to be like, let's throw you in the water.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
I will tell you.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
So.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
My dad, my dad. I used to make travel amazements
for my father, and as my father was getting older,
I started to feel like, Dad, you really shouldn't be
in that seat because you can't help anybody do anything.
He's like, I'm not helping ship I don't like, I
don't care.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
I'm not helping you.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
You do anything. He's like, but I want the extra
leg room or whatever.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
It was like, okay, honestly fair though, what if I
said that to the flight attendant. They're like, you need
to move your two fat and I'm like, well I
need what are you going to cost me to one? A?
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Well?
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Anna, thank you for joining us. This has been so glad,
this is great.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Yeah, tell us your socials and let everybody know what
you're going to be taking your show on the road again.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
This is your camera, so straight to can all your
socials flip it?
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Okay, I'm anna snap hm and my my socials are
the Anna snap t A G A N N A
s N A p P. There are two p's in snaps.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
And when we're talking about, you know, opening yourself up
to the world, what sort of messages are you looking
to receive and from whom?
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Oh, thank you so much for your work and your words.
I here's what I'm moving to. Okay. I love compliments,
I love praise. Yeah, period, it's kidding. Yes to my dms.
I'm single, love it, love it.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
And also both Michael and I are following Anna, so
if you find.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Yeah, you can find.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
And I have no followers, so you'll be really easy,
but not for life.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
In real life.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Oh my god, we have to do it again.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
This is tales from the DMS, where you guys send
me the weirdest, craziest, nuttiest, freakiest things you find on
the Internet and you send them to me in the
form of a question, and I answer it as a lawyer.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
But remember, friends, like I always tell you what Michael
is a lawyer. He is not your lawyer.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
All right, So this is our first question.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
First question.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
I had a best friend for about eight years. Maybe
they were a very wealthy family. I was there like
personal assistant whatnot, and I did a lot of tasks
for them and they couldn't They didn't pay me in cash.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
They said they were like lo.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
On gosh, so they would pay me with like old
designer bags.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Okay, stop stop.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
First of all.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
First of all, first of all, beautiful voice.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Next whatever. But I was already annoyed when I heard that.
He was like, well, you know, I was my best friend,
but I was working for them for no money. What
they were taking advantage.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Sir, Yes, yeah, that have some self respect something. I mean,
I mean, way to victim blame Michael, right.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Yeah, we don't actually we don't understand.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Show him on the family, right.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Yeah, game on the family. And it is too bad
that you were I mean, I'm assuming in a situation
where you felt like you had to do this, but
I already don't like this.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
It sounds like this okay, So the question, really, the
crux of the question really is that, like he was
arrested for selling these bags given to him as payment.
It was no big deal. In college, this friend was
a roommate. They this this lived in his friend's house
as a roommate and paid rent. Moved to a city,
(36:00):
accuser of stealing stop by the police had a warrant
for my arrest for theft considered state jail felony theft. Okay,
so these were like beat up designer bags. They accused
him of stealing the bags from this house. But it
sounds like they couldn't pay him in cash originally. So
this is.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Like like almost like a barter.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Yeah, but also like if they couldn't pay you originally,
that's the first sign that they're broke. And now they're
trying to operation repo the fucking bags. Like that's messed up.
I'm sorry, excuse me, pay a fucking employee. You then
paid them in goods, and then you were like give
me that bag.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
But not even like good goods, beat up goods. This
is all of this is sitting very wrong with me,
sleeping a bad taste in the mouth.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
So insofar as like the law, the fact that there's
a warrant out for your arrest, I know you haven't
heard in a while, like that is concerning to me.
Like warrants don't expire, they're just not enforced. So I
would A felony arrest can't be ignored. It's not just
gonna like go away on its own, So I would.
I would contact like the court or a clerk somehow
(37:04):
wherever it was issued and try and find out, like
if it's still an active warrant.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Should this person see a lawyer that.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Oh, definitely like speaking find a lawyer, friends, Yeah, because
waiting six months to resolve a warrant like ken, I
did not like.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
This for you at all.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Actually, I hate questions like this because now it's gonna
what's gonna happen to me? Is like I'm going to
be thinking about this.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Yes. Well, the other thing is, don't fucking talk to
that roommate. Don't communicate with the accuser because anything you're saying,
they're compiling evidence, and you should be compiling evidence too.
So like any comms they send you, any emails, you
have receipts, like you were given the bags as payment,
and that's technically like a legal transfer, not theft. You're
just gonna have to like prove that somehow. So if
(37:45):
there you'll have to like show services rendered. I know
they didn't give you a receipt for the bags, but
I would want you to sort of dig and show
that like you did do work and there there was
some sort of like exchange for this rather than theft.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
I mean, you tell me, Michael, like see if there
are any emails or text messages to like like living
there in.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Like work you're going to do. Yeah, everything done verbally
like that is what I would really dig in. If
this were my client, I would do around that.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Please if you can go see an attorney. I'm very
worried about you.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
I really like that's I mean, that's very sweet of you. Yeah, definitely, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
But I hate I hate bullies. I hate shit like this.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Yeah, and like the fact that they were trying to
take them back and they also do pay you also
just fucking pay the part like that is so weird.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
I don't like anything.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Something's not adding up, something's wrong. Anyway, this has been
tales from the d MS. Feel free to send us
your questions anything, any weird legal questions do you have
on your mind? Send them our way. Y'all asked me
about driverless cars and I was in a driverless driverless
car last week and it was really fun to Yeah,
I loved it.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Was it weird?
Speaker 1 (38:53):
I prefer it?
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Is it because you don't want to be spoken to,
because I don't if I.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
Don't want to be perceived by the internet as someone
who don't make eye contact with me. But I did
love not having to chat and there it was immaculate.
It was so clean. It was so clean, and it
kind of drove like a messy bitch, like it drove
like a taxi driver, like it was not like super robotic.
I was like, oh, you almost killed her. Yeah, it
(39:24):
was really like driving as if it were like you
and I were driving where it's like pulls up and
like slams on the brakes or like right on red
Like there was all sorts of stuff where it was like,
oh wow, this is like a real person. I thought
it was going to be like you know, the fucking
airport trolley. H yeah. Yeah, it goes really really slow
and it's like right, but pretty fuch.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
I would like something like that, is because I don't
love endless chatter when I'm in a car. I don't
mind it saying hi, obviously, I love that, but like
the constant chattering while I'm in a cab or something
just kind.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Of I'm like that with a massage too.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Oh I prefer a silent massage.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Yeah, and I'll tell them up up top. Thank you
so much. I'm probably gonna fall asleep. Yeah, so feel
free to not.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
My massage jaff is great and I'll wave if I
need you.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, this has been brief recess. Thank you
so much for joining us. I'm Michael Foot, I'm Melissa
malbranch I'll see you in court. This has been an
exactly right production recorded at iHeart Studios, hosted by me
Michael Foot.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
And me Melissa albranch Our. Producer is CJ.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Ferroni This episode was edited by Nicholas Galucci.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Our associate producer is Christina Chamberlain, and our guest booker
is Patria Cottner.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Our theme song was composed by Tom Bridevogel with artwork
from Charlotte Delarue and Vanessa Lilac, with photography by Brad Obono.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Brief Recess is executive produced by Karen Kilgareth Georgia hart Stark,
and Danielle Kramer.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
You can find me on Instagram at Department of Redundancy
Department or on TikTok at Michael foot.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
And I'm on both Instagram and TikTok as Melissa Malbranch.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Got legal questions, reach out at brief Recess at exactlyrightmedia
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