July 16, 2025 • 54 mins
Dick Lucas isn’t running a typical campaign. In this episode, the Assembly candidate for California’s 51st District joins to talk about housing, energy, and why California needs to rediscover its appetite for building growth. An entrepreneur turned political insurgent, Lucas argues for CEQA reform, nuclear revival, and making space for brand-new cities. We talk about California's stagnation, his viral launch video, and what it means to be the most pro-tech politician in the state.
00:00 – Intro
04:51 – Dick's Entrance to Politics
09:01 – Who is Dick Lucas?
15:53 – Technology Equals Progress
22:39 – California Needs Growth – Stasis is Death
28:35 – We Desperately Need More Housing
34:20 – Build More Housing, Build More of Everything
37:59 – The Problem with California's Politicians
42:30 – Growth and Immigration
49:20 – How You Too Can Become a Dick
Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVNumolJuKvqJScBEnhe8hQ
Keywords: Dick Lucas California Assembly, Santa Monica politics, California political candidates 2025, pro-tech politician, CEQA reform, new cities California, California housing crisis, nuclear energy, housing reform, permitting crisis, tech, environmental policy, zoning reform, infrastructure, California dream, California exodus, growth vs stasis, political outsiders, abundance agenda, make no small plans, techno-optimism, tech and policy, political reform California, viral political campaigns, future of California
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Technology and progress are one in the same.
There is no difference. In the OG days, like founding
fathers, like early on in our country, it was people would do
public service. Like they would do epic stuff in
the real world and then they would go do a stint of public
service. It'd be like, yo bro, we need
you, you're smart, you got to come get back to the country.
If we're fighting over a growingpie, everyone can get behind
that. But if the pie is fixed or
growing imperceptible slowly, that's when people stop looking
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up, look at the stars and be hopeful.
They start looking to their leftand right and say, hold on this,
this person does this, this person does this.
Like if you are not growing, you're you're dead.
Hello everyone and welcome back to the California Future Society
podcast. So I'm on X yesterday and I see
this video, someone I follow andI recognize their face, beard,
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long hair, standing there in a suit in front of charred burnt
remains in the Palisades that have yet to be cleared.
And the first line of the video is can anyone tell us what the
fuck is going on with California?
That was immediately hooked. I had to watch the whole
announcement and it was today's guest, Dick Lucas announcing his
bid for the 51st Assembly District of California.
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Now look, Dick will be the firstto tell you he is not a
conventional candidate. He described himself as neither
right nor left. He hasn't even picked which
party he's going to be running on.
But the issues that he raises are actually things that I think
will resonate with a lot of Californians.
I was looking at some polling data and recently here's how
Californians say they feel abouttheir state government. 54% say
that they feel the state is headed in the wrong direction.
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And if you ask them what their top concerns and priorities are,
it's inflation in the economy, housing costs and issues around
the environment and fires. And these are all things that
Dick raises, he prioritizes, andhe argues that the current
options being offered to Californians by the established
parties, right and left, are insufficient.
They're not meeting the needs. We are not growing fast enough.
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We're not embracing growth. And as Dick describes in our
conversation, he's all about growth.
He's all about making the futuremore dynamic, more innovative.
He's all about being pro technology.
I had a lot of fun just talking to Dick, really dynamic, has a
lot of fun sound bites. And I think you'll have a lot of
fun listening to him as well, hearing about his background,
why he decided to make the take the plunge and run for state
assembly and what his core beliefs are.
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So without further ado, the one,the only candidate, Dick Lucas.
Dick, I'm so excited for this. My whole podcast and a lot of my
work is premised on this idea that I think there's a lot of
political discontent in California and an interest in
seeing something innovative, something new.
So when I saw your video announcing your candidacy for
assembly is very fresh, it was very distinct.
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So I'm really excited to talk toyou today and to get to know you
more and learn more about your vision.
So to start off, can you introduce yourself and explain
your connection to California? Yes, awesome.
Thank you for having me, Jerry. Yeah, you and the technology
brothers reached out and was like, OK, I'll I'll take
anything I can get right now. So I'm saying I'm saying yes,
and I really appreciate you taking the time to to do this
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and and shortly I just said let's do today and you're like
boom, let's do it. So I appreciate it.
I'm Dick Lucas. I connection to California born
and raised here. I say in the video, I'm a 6th
generation. It was funny.
I was like, I kept, I asked my parents.
I was like, how long have we been here?
My sister filled out a, a housing like a real estate
application previously. And in her little blurb she
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said, Oh, I'm a third generation.
I'm like, oh, I've never thoughtabout that.
She's like, I'm a third generation California.
And then I was like, wait. Then she did more research and
then it turns out we're 4th. And it was that my mom came in
over the top was like, no, hold on.
We're actually we're 6. So I had it kept updating the
site before I launched because we kept learning that it
actually goes back further. So deep history in California.
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Yeah, like I said in the in the video, 6th generation
California. My great, great, great
grandfather came here to cover wagon train.
And yeah, been in LA, been in LAmost of my life.
I grew up in Glendale, Glendale,CA went to Notre Dame High
School, went to Holy Redeemer Elementary school in in Montrose
right by Glendale. Then I went to Boston College
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and I've been in a few differentplaces.
I was in SF for a year and a half and it's so interesting
because I think about the time Iwas in SFI didn't I was so
disengaged with even what was that 28 like 2018 ish.
I was like, I would walk throughpeople would try to sell me
drugs. Like when I'm walking from the
library, I'd see like and it wasso funny that that time I didn't
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make the I wasn't like, damn, weshould.
Obviously I wasn't saying this is awesome, but I also wasn't
like who is my state assembly person?
Like who's on City Council? Who, who?
I didn't, I think I was just, yeah, I was younger.
I don't, I don't know. But it's crazy to think back.
And now I, I have such an avert when I see something done
that's, you know, I don't think it's great.
(04:41):
I'm, I have a version to it. So now I'm, I'm fired up and
I'm, yeah, I'm trying to get in the arena, put my, put my hat in
the ring and we'll see what we'll see what I can do.
Well, tell us about the moment that you decided I'm going to
make this a thing and actually go for it.
Cause a lot of people gripe about politics.
A lot of people say if I had power, here's XYZ what I'd like
to do what when was the moment for?
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You yes, so it's it's it's it itfeels like it's a big
intellectual journey for for me,I started I had a podcast like
like yourself. I tried to have, you know, I'd
have people on and I remember explicitly, it wasn't a, it
wasn't a political podcast. I would just have people on and
we'd riff like mostly like, oh, what are you doing?
(05:23):
Like, you know, what's this thing you're working on?
OK, you're an actor, you're a golfer, whatever.
And then I started, I started itshifted to where, OK, I actually
think I want to talk more about politics.
It was called No Gradient and I haven't published on there in
three years, but I, it was, it was like then explicitly started
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talking about more political stuff, mostly still about
technology. But then it finally I was like,
even even in those moments, I had a few tweets sometimes that
they didn't go viral, not like what I have now, but they would
do OK. And then at the end of it, I'd
be, Oh, this is super cool. But then it's like, nothing
would, nothing would happen. Like, OK, I, you know, part of a
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huge part of politics is cultureand getting the message out.
And obviously that is a, that isprobably, I mean, that's
probably the biggest part of it.But the other part is like, you
actually have to run and do something.
So I felt like talking into a mic and just like going on like
especially talk about things that I could maybe have an
impact on. I've been thinking about it for
a while. And then I was doing these voter
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guides. And so I'd go through every
single thing on the ballot in Los Angeles and for California
voters, I'd read every single proposition and really try to
understand every issue. And dude, going through that
exercise, I realized, dude, there's no like help isn't
coming like these the, the people on there.
And the line I always say is if I would vote basic, most of my
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friends, I'm not going to point out the ones I wouldn't vote.
Most of my friends, I think are,you know, generally smart
people. I think they can take in
information. I think they want to do good
things. I think they would be better
politicians than than than what we have in a lot of these,
especially these local races. Well, at federal levels, hold
another bag, bag, bag of Donuts.But at the local levels, dude,
these people are not they're notlike accomplished people like
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that. You think that, Oh, this person,
a lot of them have are, you know, they've worked in the
community, which I, I still don't know what that means.
Or they've, they've been lawyersfor a while or they've done
things that are like, they have never created a job.
They've never built something from the ground up.
They've been part of the political machine and that's
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what they know. And then they run for office and
it's like, it's funny in the OG days, like founding fathers,
like early on in our country, itwas people would do public
service. Like they would do epic stuff in
the real world. And then they would go do a
stint of public service. It'd be like, yo, bro, we need
you, You're smart. You got to come get back to the
country. And it almost seems like now it
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that doesn't really exist. You're like a politician is a
job which feels which feels gross.
Not every lifetime, you know, lifelong politician is bad, but
I'm just like, I think we need more.
We need more. If one thing I was talking to
homie, I was like, if one thing comes out of this campaign, if
the only thing that that happensfrom it is I encourage other
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people to run like more, more candidates, more energy towards
hold on, let's actually do that.Then it will be I that will be a
success. That's like my that would be
awesome. If it's not hard to run too.
It's like you have to fill, you know, there's forms, you get a
website, you got to get a video.Yeah.
And you got, you know, you got to have free time.
(08:38):
Yeah. But yeah, so I, I just finally
was like, OK, I just need to do something.
And I think the fires really pushed me over the edge
recently. Yeah, Palisades fire and eaten
fire. And I was like, OK, let's it's
time. Yeah, I want to dig into some of
your, you know, your platform, your policy beliefs.
Before we do that, though, I, you know who is Dick Lucas.
Tell us about your background. Tell us about some of the, like
(09:00):
you were saying earlier, the epic stuff you've been doing
that, yeah, preceded this venture into public service.
I, I, I appreciate it. I, I've been a run.
I, I was a runner. I've been a runner.
So I've since racing and I'd race my teachers in preschool.
I remember I've always loved running.
So I competed in high school cross country track.
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I competed in college. That was a big part of my, that
was a big part of who I was, youknow, playing sports, that type
of stuff. Not nothing crazy in terms of,
you know, the, the, the, the growing up.
I'd say a big shift was when I first got my first laptop.
It was an HP DV6000 or somethinglike that.
In, in high school, My, my folksgot it for me and I got into
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dig.com and I got into like learning about and in the OG
dig.com days, there's like, oh, it was like, you know, that's
like the, that's where the internet's happening in a lot of
ways. Obviously there's 4 Chan and
Reddit existed, but dig was a huge, that was a huge part And I
was just learning. I got really into technology.
I wasn't into technology before that.
Like like I, I just specificallyit was software at that point.
(10:09):
Like it was just really cool to see these networks being built
up. I had a lot of like, oh, and
Google, I remember seeing an ad for Google like I think it was a
60 minutes piece or something like about how their work
culture was like I was like, Oh my God, like there's these new
companies doing all these cool things.
I got really into that. And then in college I studied
computer science. My line there is, I always
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thought, you know, I thought CS was for smart people.
So I didn't declare my major till sophomore year.
Like I was like, oh, I can't do this.
Like it's, you know, it's reallyhard.
And I, so I, I gritted through it.
I was an Android developer for several years.
I so I was building the Android apps.
I was working at an agency in Boston, Ray's Labs, which was an
amazing place. And then after that, I hiked the
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Pacific Crest Trail with my sister in 2019.
So that that's in my video whereI say I'm the only politician
that's hiked the entire state. I don't even know if that's
true. I think it probably is.
I haven't, you know, I'm sure there's a politician that's, I
don't know, but probably not hiked from Mexico to Canada.
It was five months, you know, doing like a marathon a day
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basically. And that was a really, really
cool experience. And then I came back and then
started before I left for that Sawyer my who I, who I initially
started full send with. He, he was like, yo, we should
do this thing. We should we, we were working
agency. He was like, we should start our
own because he was freelancing on the side and was like, yo, we
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should just do this. I was like, OK, let me go hike
the trail. And when I come back, like, if I
still want to do it, let's RIP it.
So props to him. And then soon after we hired, we
call him Goo Alex Goo street name Goo and he he came on.
So it's been us through just building this thing.
And then I recently got back, got married last June, so about
a year ago and then I traveled. Congrats for thank you.
(11:55):
I appreciate it. I appreciate it.
I traveled for like 5 1/2 monthswith my with my wife and we
were, I wasn't working as much. I kind of took a back seat on
that. And I think a big inspiration
there too is you just, I was, wevisited 29 countries and you'd
really see what the power of governance like the difference
between Singapore converting from a mud pit into one of the
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foremost hubs in the world. It's, you know, I don't want to
give politicians all the credit and they definitely don't
deserve all the credit. But it, it, it's just simple
common sense governance stuff like, OK, property rights, OK,
let's have, let's, let's allow people to start companies.
Let's have a judicial system that people can trust.
If you have these things in place, humanity's natural
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inclination is to just is to flourish.
So they people will hustle if given if the if the if the
canvas is there, people will create magic stuff.
So I, you know, a lot of countries have it's just
straight up bad governance, bad and corrupt.
And you know, a lot of things people, no country's ever gotten
from third world or developing to a first world nation due to
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some other country saying, Hey, we're going to give you all this
money, we're going to help you develop.
We're going to, I think some of those things could be, could be
helpful, but a country needs to have a good governance system
and have people that are, are good stewards of that system.
And that is extremely powerful. So you're going from country to
country. And I'm like, so I came back
that that that had a big impact on me.
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I'm like I said, the voter guides and I was like, let's RIP
it. But other than that, I As for
me, yeah, really into technologystuff, hardware stuff.
Like I love, I love what new companies are doing.
I'm all about Mars. Like let's go to Mars.
Let's let's, let's keep California, the aerospace
capital, the world. Like, let's, let's invest in
technology, let's create an Internet or an energy abundant
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future. Like all these things.
I'm just, I'm just so all in on and all these people.
I'm so inspired by all these startup founders.
Sometimes some of them will be nice enough to get coffee with
me. Like in the goon, do I reach out
to somebody? Yo, dude, let me just get coffee
because I just want to like be in your aura.
And and it's been epic. And like, I have a lot of
respect for those guys. And I'm like, damn, I want to
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have big impact too. So I think this is a high
leverage thing. Also, Yeah, I surf a bit.
I've run a little. I'm not training for anything
right now. I I I I'm our kid.
We have a kid due in November. My wife's pregnant.
So exciting. Congrats.
Yeah. Thank you.
So I'm I, I don't. Yeah.
Like my, my hobbies. I read about technology.
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I I don't know. I don't know.
I just like. Yeah.
No, Yeah, that I feel like it's a good, good picture.
And I'm curious, when you were on the trail, did you have a do
you have a trail name? I know I had a buddy who did it.
I did motorboat. He was Mozart.
Motorboat Mozart of that. Yeah, I was motorboat and yeah,
I got that a couple days. There's not really a cool story
there. I mean, and it is what you
expect. It is.
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It's I, I, there's not really a crazy story there.
But I remember the first time I used my trail name because the
first time you use it, it's really, you don't have to accept
it. Someone can say, yo, you're
this. And it's like, OK, well, no,
I'll just wait. But I was like 3 days in and
this European girl was crying. Her waters exploded, her
backpacks, like it just came here all the way from, I forget
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where somewhere and somewhere inEurope.
And she was on the side of the trail.
She was just like, and I'm like,like you'll be OK.
Like, yeah, like you can do this.
Like she was just overwhelmed. And she's like, oh, and thank
you and what's your name? And I just go motorboat.
And that was the first time I used it.
And I was like, OK, now that I've used it in that beautiful
situation, I don't know if she finished, but I don't.
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I never saw her again. But yeah, I yeah.
So Mozart that that's yeah, that's a that's a good trail
name, too. I didn't meet him.
What year did your friend do it?That's a good question.
I think it was around 18/20/2018I want to say.
Yeah, OK. I mean I was 2019 so.
Maybe some overlap? Yeah, he did 20.
Yeah. Epic.
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Well. Anyways, we could we go on about
the PCT, but let's get into it. Let's get into the meat and
potatoes of it. You know, your a lot of your
identity you've already talked about it is around technology.
You know, references to EAC movement and techno optimism.
Tell us more about that, and tell us why you think that
California needs more politicians who are excited
about the future of technology. Yeah, so EAC movement with Beth
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Jayzos, Bayes Lore, all those guys, that was a that was a,
that was definitely a big inspiration.
I think a lot of the American dynamism stuff is, is super
cool. Just people building things.
Technology is fundamentally is the only way that we get more
for less. It's the only lever that we
have, You know, the classic Steve Jobs, the bicycle, the
mind thing where where, you know, we're not efficient.
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We can't move more efficiently than a Condor.
But if we have a bicycle, we blow everyone out of the water.
So it's like we're tool makers and tools are the means by which
we increase prosperity and opportunity.
So to me, it's like I have this such, this deep belief that that
technology is, I mean that technology and progress are one
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in the same. There is no difference that is.
And it, it blows my mind how much I think your average person
doesn't really fully like internalize like that.
It's, you know, something I liketo think about is like when
people say, oh, when you're in nature, like, oh, in the, in the
wild or where you're in, when, you know, when you're in nature
camping or something like that. It's funny if you, if you think
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about it like in a city, we are in nature like it's crazy.
We just, we just built all this amazing stuff to make it
extremely comfortable. So then we could focus on
whatever we wanted. We could be musicians, we could,
you know, build a start up. We could do, we could become an
artist. We could do all these cool
things because everything is like we are in the wild.
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There's no such thing as city like we are in the wild and it's
just hard working people that have built all the stuff around
you that makes it so it's so it's comfortable.
So I, I don't obviously good policy plays a, a role in that.
You know, you need to have good,you know, stuff that I already,
you know, riffed on you to have court systems, people trust you
to have rule of law, things likethat.
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Of course, that's absolutely fundamental, but like if you
look at the March of, of nationsand how they've expanded or been
left behind or self destructed, like it's technology is, is I
mean, World War 2, I mean, it's,it's technology World War One,
that's tech. It's all technology, technology
and capacity, right? Like if you can invent one
thing, but you can't build a tonof it, then it doesn't that
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doesn't mean much. But if you can do both, which I
think it's the making stuff thatthe US is, can do better at.
I mean, I think we're still second in the world for
manufacturing, but where we havesuch a chip on our shoulder with
everything that I think people are like, OK, well, we should
China and obviously they've blown us out of the water in a
lot of ways, but we can do, we can do a lot better there.
So I think the second part of your question was California
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specifically. Yeah, I, I, I think that
California's obviously the, I think it's the, it's now the
fourth biggest economy in the world.
And so we obviously have a lot, you know, the technology
industry is obviously it's, you know, it's, it's Silicon Valley,
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it's California. A lot of aerospace and a lot of
cool military tech has come out of here.
I think it's funny, California, especially Los Angeles, people
think about entertainment. Oh, entertainment.
It's like, well, no, hold on. It's aerospace and defence.
LA is the aerospace and defence capital of the world in my
opinion. Like it's like it's, it's
unbelievable the amount of epic stuff that's starting here.
And obviously Silicon Valley up north has its own, has its own
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game, But like our prosperity has been a lot of our, I forget
what the percent of the budget is, but a lot of it is we have a
decently high, we have a high capital gains rate.
So when these companies like have liquidity events, NVIDIA, a
lot of people sold their shares NVIDIA and it's like been a huge
boon to California's budget. And Newsom I think is OK on the
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tech stuff. But the fact it's interesting,
what's interesting to me is likeit's not like a full throated in
support of like obviously we technology company should be
held account. And when I say technology, I
don't mean like, you know, Instagram.
I think technology got Co opted by people think of tech as like
a website and you know, that stuff is cool too, but it's
also, you know, it's also about building things.
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It's about, you know, it's aboutthe world of atoms as well,
which I think people lost. People lost that for a while,
but now it's fully back. Everyone, the vibe, the vibe is
completely shifted. So but yeah, I think, I mean,
California's done pretty good onthe tech stuff.
We were just talking about before the before the start.
It was the AI that AI bill that they were going to pass at
(20:36):
Newsome vetoed, which I'm 47. Last year, yeah.
Scott Weiner's bill, Yeah. Yeah, Scott Weiner and Scott
Weiner, I don't agree. He, he's got some I, I think I
agree with him on a lot of housing stuff.
His tech stuff I think is totally off.
If you pass this stuff, it's just going to leave the state.
Like AI is just going to leave the state.
It's going to burden our burden,our AI companies and China's
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just going to kick our ass. So I think that a lot of a lot
of what like a lot of the tech policy stuff is just kind of the
do no harm thing. Like I don't think we need to
like we already have a lot of cool start-ups here.
I think we what will help us more is like lower the cost of
housing. Certainly permitting is a big
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part of that. Like let's make it easy to build
all types of housing everywhere.Let's make the permitting
process easier to build new factories.
And I mean the, the, the, the thing that I think really
punched me in the face more thananything was when I found out
this was a couple years ago thatTexas passed us in solar power
utility scale generation. And that to me was a huge, it
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was even a wake up moment for mewhere I'm like, damn, we, we
Texas doesn't care about climatechange.
What they do care about though, is they care about building and
they make it easy to build. So it's like we, the fact that
they're beating us at that, I think is going to break a lot of
people on the left's brain, lower the cost of housing.
Certainly permitting is a big part of that.
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Like let's make it easy to buildall types of housing everywhere.
Let's make the permitting process easier to build new
factories. And I mean, the, the, the thing
that I think really punched me in the face more than anything
was when I found out this was a couple years ago that Texas
passed us in solar power utilityscale generation.
And that to me was a huge, it was even a wake up moment for me
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where I'm like, damn, we, we Texas doesn't care about climate
change. What they do care about, though,
is they care about building and they make it easy to build.
So it's like we the fact that they're beating us at that I
think is going to break a lot ofpeople on the left's brains.
It's like, dude, we need and Obama just came out with
something I think today where he, you know, used time or
(22:44):
yesterday, just time out, Yo. We need to like, I don't care
what your politics are. If you literally can't allow new
housing to be built. Like if you all the and all the
blue states are losing, dude, like they're losing population.
I mean, if you, if you, you knowthat when the census comes up
next year, dude, the House of Reps we're going to get the blue
states are going to get our asses kicked.
More people are moving to, more people are moving to red states.
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And I'm not a left or right guy,but I am saying like if these,
if you are, yeah, if a lot, a lot of people are like, oh,
it's, you know, people should like, I hate like the biggest
thing people do is like, oh, I wish, you know, California's
already too crowded or like, youknow, we have too many people
here. It's like, well, two things on
that front. One, that's fine.
If you think it's too, if you think it's too crowded, fine,
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but we're going to lose. We're going to have even less
say in our federal government. A lot of the same people that
say that are like, you know, wouldn't be happy about us
having fewer representatives in in Congress.
And the other thing, it's like, dude, we need to have an
environment. If people aren't moving here,
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our population went down in 2021for the first time in our
state's history. It's like, like, where do you
think, what do you think's goingto happen?
Like we need to have a place where people can move.
We it, it, it's the whole thing is like stasis.
Stasis is a myth. Societies either crumble or
flourish. There's no like, oh, well, we
can just hang out. Like put it, Europe is hanging
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out and hanging out means that you're dying because hanging out
means that same pot of resources, except we're fighting
over a fixed pot. If we're fighting over a growing
pie, everyone can kind of everyone can get behind that.
But if the pie is fixed or growing imperceptible slowly,
that's when people stop looking up, look at the stars and be
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hopeful. They start looking to their left
and right and say, hold on, thisperson has this, this person has
this, like if you are not growing, you're you're you're
dead. So we need to do everything like
we need to do everything we can.So I think the housing thing is
a big is a huge thing nuclear and we have the Diablo plant
that credit to Newsom, he didn'tdidn't shut it down as of course
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it's super expensive to keep running.
But like that's like the the classic thing like nuclear, the
people being which this vibe is shifting as well.
And then I got a I'm going to stop my rant for a second, but
nuclear energy. No, you're going to rant.
Yeah. Yeah, I know.
Of course you know nuclear is and you know all this stuff.
Dude, I'm preach. I saw what you you.
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I'm. Yeah, I love for you to to like,
you know, push back and then go for it.
I have no problem with that. But like nuclear is the
cleanest, safest form of energy there is that we know of.
It's like it's science fiction and the fact that we stopped
building those, you know, Nixon had the, that whole plan to
build a was it 1000 nuclear reactors by the year 2000 or
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something? And then, and also the Nuclear
Regulatory Commission was created and then not like, like
it basically stopped that they didn't approve one new design or
it didn't prove anything for several decades.
And it's like, I think what we're really a lot of the
question comes down to a lot of the, the it's not like left or
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right. I actually think that's a false
dichotomy in a lot of ways. It's a the single best question
you can ask someone, I think, tounderstand where they where they
lie on their view of the world is, is growth good?
Like is because some people, they a lot of people don't they
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think of growth as pollution. They think of growth as traffic.
They think of growth as, you know, using more resources.
It's like, dude, we have infinite, we have the universe,
we have infinite number of resources.
Resources are not an issue. Obviously climate change, we
have to, you know, I'm not, I'm,I'm not a deniest on that, on
that stuff, but it's like we or people don't want humanity to
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grow. They're like, oh, you know, Jane
Goodall had her quote from a couple years back.
She's like, I think 400 million people is the good.
And this is the monkey lady. Everyone knows, you know, she
did good work with the monkeys and she's like, I think 400
million people is the right amount of people on on Earth.
And it's funny because that sounds like, Oh, she just wants
it. But dude, in that in that saying
that is like any that is basically, I mean, that's
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basically saying you want humanity to disappear.
You want less opportunity, You want to pull the rug out.
A lot of thinking and policies are downstream of I don't want
there to be more growth. Like housing is 1.
Like if you don't want to be more growth, it makes a lot of
sense why a lot of these policies get passed.
It makes sense why permitting isa pain in the ass because you
don't view abundant energy is asa categorical good.
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So it's like I that to me is really where I, that's where the
rubber hits the road for me. No, I actually think I'm I'm
aligned on that being the core issue and something that I think
is the defining question of the moment that we're in and the
future of the state. Like you're saying, if you look
at California's history, I just did this this episode on it last
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week, kind of the evolution of the California dream and growth
was one of the defining characteristics of the state.
Like you're saying, just incredible growth up until, you
know, 2020 and but the movement started before that, the anti
growth movement. Yes.
I don't know if you're familiar with Virginia posture.
I pull out her book. It's actually holding up my
microphone right now. The future and its enemies.
But she argues that this is written 30 years ago.
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I interviewed her a couple weeksago.
She's yeah, it's interview. You know, she has great
interviews and stuff like summary.
Awesome. One of the things is like her,
the key dividing line in politics and her view is it it's
not so much about left or right.It's about dynamism versus
stasis, A willingness to embracechange and evolution and a more
dynamic future versus being a little bit more stagnant.
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And I think in California in particular, ever since that anti
growth movement of the 60s seventies took off and defined a
lot of the systems that we have today of slowing down growth and
whatnot. I, I, I think you're on to
something there. So you mentioned housing a lot.
You know, I mean, I guess one question I'm sure people would
ask is Newsom himself now is trumpeting, you know, this year
there's a big YIMBY win of getting sequa reform pass for
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multifamily infill. And he and, you know, Senator
Weiner and other people would argue like, hey, we're making
movement, we're making progress on that.
What would you say to that? What are your views on some of
those recent changes? I'm all for any improvement.
So I think and then they did just pass something.
I think like July 3rd, right before the 4th, they pass
something. And Jared, I tried to read and I
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ultimately tweeted, I was like, OK, this is cool.
Like, you know, anything, any March in towards progress, OK,
I'm going to support. I'm not just going to dunk on
Newsom because, you know, I don't if it is a good idea, it's
a good idea. But dude, I tried to read the
like, I tried to read the bill and I'm like, I, I cannot.
It's 30 pages and it's like there's all these carve outs and
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there's all these things. So at first I was like, OK, this
is awesome. And it does feel like it's an
improvement, but it's, it's a lot of, I feel like we could do
a whole lot better now. It's an interesting question
though, because I basically like, I love New York City, for
example. I think that I love humanity.
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I love a lot of humans. You know, the amalgamation
effects of people being close together.
Magic just happens when you put a lot of humans together.
Businesses get built, culture gets created, everything.
That's, that's where a lot happens.
Obviously I'm not, you know, people that aren't in a big
city. Mad respect for you as well.
I but I do love, you know, I do love cities.
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So I love building high. I love skyscrapers.
I, I mean, New York City's population is lower than it was
like 100 years ago. And it's like, holy, that is,
that is extremely alarming to me.
So yeah, some of this housing stuff.
My, my ethos is we just, we needto allow, we need to build just
more. We need to make it far easier to
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build and we need to build up and we need to build more.
I don't know. There, there's some things you
can do at the state level, but alot of this is the local level.
And, and, and Newsome, to his credit, they pass some stuff
where basically if if you didn'tapprove a certain housing
project or something, or it would like, the state would come
and be like, OK, boom, this justauto approved.
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Like if there was a, there's a time to lay on it or something
like that. They've done stuff like that
where the state does have some power.
But a lot of this, it's an interesting, it's an interesting
dynamic because what you really,if you want this movement to
win, I really feel like you haveto convince people that that
growth and, and, and there beingmore people around is a good
thing. Because on one hand, yes, people
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have the right to vote in their communities and determine how
those communities, what happens in those communities.
Like do we want high rises here?Do we?
Do we not? Do we?
But we've gone way too far in the in the direction of no, I
don't want this housing project get built.
I want my not only do I want my that's the scary thing.
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I want my property values to stay high.
So why would I add supply? I also want, I want less
traffic. I want like, I want to keep
everything the same. So if we're going to win, we
have to convince these people. We need to convince these people
that if, if we're, if we keep going on the track we're on like
our, we're just going to, we, weneed growth or we are going to
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die. Like we need to allow people, I
mean, the classic thing in SF, most liberal city in the world,
the percent of black people thatlive there, I think it used to
be 20 years ago, I forget it was20% or something.
And it just keeps dive bombing. And the reason is, is because
black people tend to be lower income and they can't afford to
live there. So it the most liberal place in
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the world claims to be for, you know, for minorities and for but
their policies like, and I thinka lot of people aren't, they're
obviously not doing this on purpose.
So it's a, it's a, it's a, you know, it's part of what you're
doing with, with the future society.
Like you, we need to convince people because everyone gets to
vote. So it's like, no, we need to
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allow this, this laundromat thatyou say is historical, that
can't be touched for the next 10,000 years because you know
what? We need to convince them no,
hey, we need to make, we need tomake this an apartment building
or we need to make, we need to build it high so that this helps
lower income people. Like this is the big thing here.
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If a lot of these rich communities, it's like a lot of
people want to help, especially on the left.
They, they want to be the peopleof, of the poor and the working
class. That's a good mission.
I'm all for that. To do that, they have to be able
to live. They have to be able to afford
to live in, you know, in cities,especially in cities, because
that's where a lot of the opportunity is.
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That's lower. The economic dynamism is that's
where some of the best jobs are.That's where they're going to
have happenstance run into people that can help them.
Like, you know, that can be the conversation that changed their
life and somehow they get a new job or they join a completely
new network. They wouldn't have.
So it's like, I just, it blows it.
It just blows my mind. And I think housing is I, I, I
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at first in my campaign website,I had the economy first because
there's the classic James Carville.
It's the economy stupid. I think that was him with the
Clinton campaign. And I think of course, the
economy when you look at the polling in the last presidential
election, at least, you know, I think economy was damn near one
of the one of the top thing or inflation I think was the top.
But it's always about the economy.
But I think what hits harder right now is the housing thing.
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Everyone, everyone feels like, damn, rent is so expensive, it
keeps going up. So no, that's why I think you're
right, yeah. Yeah, no, I think it's I mean,
it's the number one reason people cite when they leave the
state. And there's a lot of people for
all the successes or recent victories, you know, like I know
yon ceramic of California forever, he often points out
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like he's the one trying to build that new city up in Solano
County. He's like for all these unity
reforms, like where are the homes?
Where are the units where like we talk about these reforms, but
where are the cranes? I, and that's on my website too
by my 5th priority, build new cities and obviously governments
don't just build new cities, right, but the ethos there is
California forever project floods, flood Solana county.
Like they're like, let me the salon, like what is it?
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Lake Salon, I think, or something like that.
Or no that. Excuse me, what's the one?
Salton, the Salton Sea. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah. Fine if you don't, if you don't
want there to be high rises in Santa Monica, which Santa Monica
has done an OK job. I always think we can do better.
Of course. I mean, I think we can do a lot
better. But like, fine, if you don't
want to allow that, please gives.
We have a lot of land in California.
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Like let's give people an opportunity to put some common
sense zoning some put some epic stuff in the city's charter that
says yes, build and let's just let that happen.
Let's support that. I'm sure the federal government,
even in this administration, dude, with Trump and California
don't get along. If we say the federal
government, hey, here's what we're going to do, give us this
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land. You know, the presidio people
talk about this, that's federal land.
Make it like if you say, hey, we're going to build a bunch of
you know, obviously I'm not about in nature like public
party. We have a ton of land here that
you know what I like to say, dude, like to say if if the US
had a billion people, we would be less dense still than
Germany. Like, yeah, we have so much
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space here. And I love nature.
I mean, I hike the PCT dude. Like I get all this stuff, which
is why I also want to build up like, but like, let people just
let people build it. Let's build new things.
It's so funny the concept, it shows how broken our brains are
today, dude, that the concept ofa new city, it almost it doesn't
even compute with me. That's how brainwashed up.
And I'm like, oh, you can't justbuild a new city.
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Like that doesn't work. But it's like, dude, every,
every city was a startup at one point.
And, you know, they blew up for reason, you know, Hudson Bay and
stuff. And I get all in, you know,
Chicago, dude, Bill Burnham. It was not Bill Burnham.
Who's Daniel Burnham who built the architect Burnham.
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Yeah, yes. Chicago, World's fair, Devil in
the White City. I read that in high school.
I just reread it, dude. It's just like, it just, it just
gets the blood. Dude.
His quote about make no, make nosmall plans.
They have no magic to stir men'sblood like you, just like it's
just that type of thinking, especially from people in the
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government. It's just completely dead.
It's like it's I don't even dude, the things these people
tweet, dude, I'm telling you at the local level, like I fall, I
try to understand what these people are talking about.
Like I try to stay informed withmy state senator, my state
assemblyman, and I'm like, bro, what are you doing?
If you if you're not tweeting about homelessness, the economy
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or housing, like anything else, anything else, just just just
stop. Like I don't want to hear about
anything else because nothing else matters if we can't, if we
can't handle those things and the economy is doing well in
California, I think it'd be a hell of a lot better.
You know it. But like I said, I think there's
no reason we can't be the secondbiggest economy in the world
behind the USI just don't. I just don't see, I don't see
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why we can't. And it's funny.
Newsome, he's very good at this dude, because I follow dude the
the politician. They have this down to a science
dude. I follow his his newsletter.
I mean, I encourage you to do that.
If you don't, you probably already do.
But he, he puts out like a pressrelease almost two or three
times a day. And he'll say these things and
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it's like, yo, California's the fourth biggest economy in the
world. And and he'll say like, you
know, we're we're this and we'rethat, which in a in, in a, in a
vacuum, that's awesome. That's true.
And yes, I think our, our economy is still doing well.
There's still a lot of start-upshere.
I think. I'm not, I'm not saying, oh,
we're completely screwed, but ifyou dude, what's the
competition? Europe is disappearing.
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Japan's been staggered. They're coming back a little
bit. But it's like, dude, there's
there is there's no everything every the West is disappearing
right now, like all, everyone's just stagnating to death.
Except it's like we have China, which they obviously have
problems, but we have the US andobviously, you know, they're in
Southeast Asia. We got some countries growing
there and they're hustlers. Dude.
I was in Thailand and Vietnam, dude, they're all just all just
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hustling over there. But like it's not we're beating
like, oh, we passed Germany, dude, Germany shut down all
their nuclear reactors and they're burning 10,000 year old
forests. Like the we, there is no
competition right now. That's what's the scariest part.
It's like it's, it's so scary that that, that, that another
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thing dude, his he'll, he'll confirm, he'll compare gas
prices. So this is the last example I'll
give it compare. Oh, look, gas prices don't
listen to everyone. This is gas prices are high or
whatever. And he won't lie.
He'll say, listen, gas prices are down 15% compared to July of
last year. Like as we're going to the July
4th weekend. And I'm like, yes, you're right.
But dude, they're the most expensive in the country and we
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are top 8 oil producing state. So it's like, and I get he needs
to he I get it, you need to convince people you're in power.
I get it. I'm not saying that, but it's
like, This is why dude, these guys are slippery dude, Because
it's like don't look, I think people zoom in too much.
They zoom in way too much. It's like the question isn't
where were gas prices yesterday or where is homelessness?
Like are we better than a year ago?
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The question is, the question isblank slate.
Where are we compared to the where are we compared to the
other states? And if you do it, which is I
think the only metric that matters.
US in comparison to other statesit's, it's, it's just it's not
good homelessness is not good we're like the worst in the
country. Gas prices are way too high and
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it's funny the gas prices thing gas prices OK, this is this will
be the last thing and then we'llthe The funny thing with gas
prices is it's it the poor people are the ones that spend a
larger percentage of their income on fuel.
Our utility electricity cost is 50% above the national dude
Newsom, he just put out this clean energy thing.
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I'm sure you saw that Californiawas powered 2/3 of clean energy,
blah blah, blah like we are. Yes, we've made progress there.
Why are our utility rates 50% higher than the national
average? Don't tell a poor person, Don't
tell someone that's spending a larger percent of their income
on, on energy, on electricity than you.
That oh, isn't it so great that we have clean energy?
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Dude, they are trying to grow a family.
They're trying to feed them. They're trying to save money for
Christmas presents. We are shoving the the the green
thing down people's throat and I'm all for it.
Solar's a great technology. We need to let's build more.
Let's do it, but we need we needto lower the cost of energy as
well. We need to lower the gas is the
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same way, dude, gas utility coming into your house is 100%
the national average and it's like this hurts.
Why are these are kitchen table issues, dude, Like why are we?
And another thing, I'll, I'll gohere.
I dude, I love fine, you know, ILove Actually running for like
actually doing this and talking to you right now is I'm always
told like, oh, this isn't reallythe setting to talk about this.
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Like, you know, I stopped talking politics basically with
like a lot of people leading up to this because I was like, I'm
just going to run. I'm so tired of people saying,
you know, at dinner tables, no one wants to hear politics.
I get it. But like, yeah, it's never a
time and place it like it everyone always this isn't the
time is I've torpedoed dinner parties, dude.
I've had some horrible performances like like on some
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of this abundant stuff and I'm like, dude, we need to grow and
growth is good. And people like a German guy
telling me, dude, what do you his eyes were he's like, what do
you mean? We need to grow like this?
He, you know, he viewed it as evil.
And I'm like, and I I've just, I've just given up.
So I if I run, I feel like no one can say, hey, man, this
isn't the time. Like, you know, you shouldn't
really. It was like, OK, hold on.
If I'm actually running, then let me let me go there.
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Talking about things that are under attack, I think, I think
what you just said will resonatewith a lot of people.
But at the same time, I know a lot of people, you know,
immigration obviously is such a hot topic and ICE raids
happening in California. And I want to talk about your
what you'll be running as and your party position later on.
I know you've already said you're not left or right, but
immigration issue, it's a hot one.
What's your view on on on immigration right now?
These ICE raids happening in LA?Yeah, if you look at a lot of
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the stuff is 8020 issues. So I think most people, most
people want a secure border. Most people, if you are a
criminal and you are an illegal immigrant, you most people think
it's reasonable you should get deported.
That doesn't like if you're hereillegally and you're you're
gone. I'm sorry, like we most people
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and look at the polling like it's out.
It's you know, it sounds mean, but it's like that's just a
reasonable thing. People want to feel like they're
bore scare. And then another piece of this
is no one's talking about the fentanyl.
No one's talking about the fentanyl stuff.
The biggest cause of death from 18 to 45 year olds is is drug
overdose. And it blows my mind that Trump
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I, I, I don't, I think he, you know, he's heavy-handed a lot of
the ways he does things. It is interesting.
Why, why, why didn't Biden talk about this stuff?
Like people? I know someone that, that, that,
that died of overdose. These are real issues that
really get to the heart. People see their communities.
I mean, even in Santa Monica, richest, like one of the richest
cities in the world, you see this stuff everywhere.
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It's like, why is it crazy? And it's so funny because the
counter, the counter was sometimes you, oh, well,
fentanyl pills are small and it's really hard to secure.
It's like, dude, what? Like, OK, yes, we should have
reasonable we shouldn't spend itlike a trillion dollars on the
border and like try to make prevent every single pill and
like throw every. It's like, no, we shouldn't do
that, But it's like no one. The Atlantic wrote a great piece
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a while back and they said if ifDemocrats don't secure the
border, fascists will. And you know, I'm not here
calling Trump a fascist, but what I am saying is if you leave
these issues to, if these commonsense issues like of securing
the border to the, to the other party, like it's, it's, it's not
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going to be a good thing. Like I think that both the left
and the right are completely cooked in a lot of ways.
And As for the ICE raid, specifically in Los Angeles, I
think that I think the emphasis should absolutely be on
criminals. I think that people that are
here illegally that haven't doneanything wrong, I don't think
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those people should be targeted.I think that a lot of what the,
a lot of what the Trump campaignhas done is is it they've
targeted criminals. Seems like there's the big, big
dragnet, like in the, in the way, the way they tweet about
it, dude, it's like, like they're really happy when they
deport someone. It's like, no, I don't want to
be happy when a criminal gets deported.
Like let's not, let's just, we just want a secure city.
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We just want to, you know, we, we, we don't need to show off
about it. But I think that, yeah, I think
that it's tough because there's double edged sword.
There's a lot of, you know, you talked a lot of second
generation, you know, third generation Mexicans.
A lot of these people want a secure border too.
And also people that came here through the system that came
here legally. What are you supposed to say to
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them when you know, they waited several years before they could
finally get over here and they did it right?
And it's like, no, or you could just cross the border and get a
job and you could just do it that way and you'd be totally
fine. It's like, we need to have it.
We need to have a balance here. Obama deported a hell of a lot
of people and he didn't, but I think he was.
Don't make it like you should say, yo, we're obscuring the
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border. But don't make it like, I think
there's a way to do it. I mean, these people's lives are
talking about people that are haven't done anything wrong and
getting deported. We need to be sensitive to that,
but we also need to be sensitiveto the system.
We need to be a country of laws.As for, As for like the left or
the right, what I'm running as Idon't, I don't know my plan yet,
to be honest. There's I have talked to some
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folks. We'll we'll see in the way the,
the, the primaries in June. So we've got like 11 months.
I have to file paperwork before that, but I'm pretty sure you
can change your party up until pretty, pretty close.
So I think the, the, the, the, the paperwork filings in March,
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but it's a top 2 vote getters move on.
So you have, it doesn't matter what party you're part of.
It's just the top 2 vote getters.
So if you're a Democrat, if two Democrats could go on to the
general, 2 Republicans could. That'll never happen here.
But what you see is in, especially in my district,
extremely left-leaning, I think what 90 percent, 90% Kamala, 10%
Trump is these are low information voters.
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A lot of people. No one even knows what a state
assembly person is like. I, I do because I'm running for
this, but it's like or state senator.
Very few people know who's representing them.
If you see if you want change, you'll probably vote R and you
won't even look up the person who just, oh, this persons are
boom, vote for them. If you're kind of down with the
left or whatever, you're findingthings are fine.
You're just going to vote D. You're like the Republicans are
crazy and they're crazy in a lotof ways.
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You're just going to vote D Likethese people aren't going to my
website and like trying to figure me out and stuff like
that. So there's some game theory
stuff here and there's a right answer.
Like if I run as a Republican, Imaybe I stay as an independent,
but an NPP a no party preference.
I think no one with NPP has everwon in California State Assembly
in history. If I go as a Republican and and
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compete against a Dem, like there's no chance I'll win the
general. Almost certainly.
I mean, there's there's. There's like a 50 point gap last
last there's a 50 in the assembly 51st.
Yeah, Yeah, there's a chance if I run as a Dem, it's possible
that that I don't get the. I won't get the.
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It's possible I don't get the party establishment like
endorsement because I think there's some things here that
that I'm saying that they're notdown for the other person gets
it. And then I'm a Dem versus versus
an established Dem. I lose out and then people just
vote. They are.
So there's interesting stuff here.
I don't know. I don't know what I'm going to
do yet. I'm really just trying to focus
on talk about the issues. Let's hear what people are
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saying. Let's get fired up.
I'm going to go do I'm going to start going now.
I have the website up, the videoup.
I got to start going door to door.
I want to talk to people and just see the question I want to
ask is what are your two biggestissues?
They're like, what's the most important thing to you?
I actually, you know, I want to hear now I'm curious what people
actually, I'm sure homelessness can be up there, but we'll see.
I want to talk to people. I want to see.
And you know, if I say I don't know what I'm running as yet,
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you know, and we'll kind of talkit out.
We'll kind of see what the see what the deal is.
And I'm not raising money right now.
I just have full, full flexibility right now.
We'll we'll see. I mean, I literally just
launched it today. So we'll see.
We'll see what yeah, we'll see what happens.
But it's it's exciting. Well, I know we're getting a
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time here. Where can people learn more if
they want to follow what you're going to be up to?
And then if you could leave people with just one message,
what would that be? Yeah, so Dick C Lucas on Twitter
also Dick lucas.com go there. I have a sub stack you Click to
become a Dick button you get takes you to sub stack
subscribe. I haven't done anything yet with
it. I'm just collecting emails right
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now and yeah, that I'm on Instagram too, but my main
following is on X Yeah, So DixieLuke and I'm Dixie Lucas on
Instagram. I'm not on TikTok.
And that, yeah, that's another thing, dude, that yeah, talk
about rule of law, like Congressand Supreme Court, like, yo, you
need to ban this. And Trump just he's like, no,
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we're going to make a deal. It's like, dude, that's insane
to me. It's like that I wanted to
TikTok ban you anyway. My, my, my single message to
lead people with I'd say is, is,is seriously ask yourself, cause
a lot of things I'm talking about it's, it's, it's growth,
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it's about more, it's about taller buildings, it's about
more energy production. And, and I want you to, I want
you to feel that these are, these are good positive, these
are good positive things are going to help more people.
They're going to help you and they're also going to help more
people growth humanity flourishing.
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Going to the stars is a good thing because the alternative is
the alternative is death. We are done if we don't, if we
don't do it, I mean, we're, we are 100% chance we're going to
die off if we don't go to another.
Like there's not even a debate. At some point Earth's going to
get blown away. Like so something I wrote a
piece on this, but it's like Mother Nature's only hope, at
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least this Mother Nature on Earth is humanity because we
can, we can save every species on here, Noah's ark style,
because we can take them to another planet at some point.
Earth's gone. If we don't, we don't keep
growing. We are done.
We are 100% done. And I think some people are OK
with that. Some people are like, oh, that's
OK. Humanity doesn't, it's like, but
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most people are not even the people that aren't like pro
growth or is like, no, I think it's, I think it's OK to have
humans around. I think it's a good thing.
So it's like, OK, well, if you think that that's a good thing.
We don't have, you know, classicthing.
Oh, we have problems here. We can't go to Mars, dude.
We solve the problems here by going to Mars.
You don't solve. You don't solve problems by, you
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know, make no small plans. They have no magic disturbance.
But the only way, like the only way we get, yeah, the only way
we get to Mars is like the only way we can solve the problems
here. The only we got to the moon and
a lot of that technology we use down here like we have to be, we
have to be positive. We have to think.
We have to think about the future.
We have to think big or we're orwe're completely done.
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So I I think that allowing an apartment building to be built
that's over 10 stories in your backyard is the same thing as
going to Mars. I view all these things as one.
It's just the same question. So yeah, let's that, that
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that's, that's the message. Growth is good.
Well. Dick, I appreciate your time and
if everyone wants to follow along, go to the sub stack
become a Dick, I appreciate you and best of luck in this
upcoming election. Awesome.
Thank you so much, Jarrett. Really appreciate it.
Thanks for having me on. None.
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Music.
Technology and progress are one in the same.
There is no difference. In the OG days, like founding
fathers, like early on in our country, it was people would do
public service. Like they would do epic stuff in
the real world and then they would go do a stint of public
service. It'd be like, yo bro, we need
you, you're smart, you got to come get back to the country.
If we're fighting over a growingpie, everyone can get behind
that. But if the pie is fixed or
growing imperceptible slowly, that's when people stop looking
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up, look at the stars and be hopeful.
They start looking to their leftand right and say, hold on this,
this person does this, this person does this.
Like if you are not growing, you're you're dead.
Hello everyone and welcome back to the California Future Society
podcast. So I'm on X yesterday and I see
this video, someone I follow andI recognize their face, beard,
(00:45):
long hair, standing there in a suit in front of charred burnt
remains in the Palisades that have yet to be cleared.
And the first line of the video is can anyone tell us what the
fuck is going on with California?
That was immediately hooked. I had to watch the whole
announcement and it was today's guest, Dick Lucas announcing his
bid for the 51st Assembly District of California.
(01:07):
Now look, Dick will be the firstto tell you he is not a
conventional candidate. He described himself as neither
right nor left. He hasn't even picked which
party he's going to be running on.
But the issues that he raises are actually things that I think
will resonate with a lot of Californians.
I was looking at some polling data and recently here's how
Californians say they feel abouttheir state government. 54% say
that they feel the state is headed in the wrong direction.
(01:29):
And if you ask them what their top concerns and priorities are,
it's inflation in the economy, housing costs and issues around
the environment and fires. And these are all things that
Dick raises, he prioritizes, andhe argues that the current
options being offered to Californians by the established
parties, right and left, are insufficient.
They're not meeting the needs. We are not growing fast enough.
(01:50):
We're not embracing growth. And as Dick describes in our
conversation, he's all about growth.
He's all about making the futuremore dynamic, more innovative.
He's all about being pro technology.
I had a lot of fun just talking to Dick, really dynamic, has a
lot of fun sound bites. And I think you'll have a lot of
fun listening to him as well, hearing about his background,
why he decided to make the take the plunge and run for state
assembly and what his core beliefs are.
(02:13):
So without further ado, the one,the only candidate, Dick Lucas.
Dick, I'm so excited for this. My whole podcast and a lot of my
work is premised on this idea that I think there's a lot of
political discontent in California and an interest in
seeing something innovative, something new.
So when I saw your video announcing your candidacy for
assembly is very fresh, it was very distinct.
(02:34):
So I'm really excited to talk toyou today and to get to know you
more and learn more about your vision.
So to start off, can you introduce yourself and explain
your connection to California? Yes, awesome.
Thank you for having me, Jerry. Yeah, you and the technology
brothers reached out and was like, OK, I'll I'll take
anything I can get right now. So I'm saying I'm saying yes,
and I really appreciate you taking the time to to do this
(02:55):
and and shortly I just said let's do today and you're like
boom, let's do it. So I appreciate it.
I'm Dick Lucas. I connection to California born
and raised here. I say in the video, I'm a 6th
generation. It was funny.
I was like, I kept, I asked my parents.
I was like, how long have we been here?
My sister filled out a, a housing like a real estate
application previously. And in her little blurb she
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said, Oh, I'm a third generation.
I'm like, oh, I've never thoughtabout that.
She's like, I'm a third generation California.
And then I was like, wait. Then she did more research and
then it turns out we're 4th. And it was that my mom came in
over the top was like, no, hold on.
We're actually we're 6. So I had it kept updating the
site before I launched because we kept learning that it
actually goes back further. So deep history in California.
(03:37):
Yeah, like I said in the in the video, 6th generation
California. My great, great, great
grandfather came here to cover wagon train.
And yeah, been in LA, been in LAmost of my life.
I grew up in Glendale, Glendale,CA went to Notre Dame High
School, went to Holy Redeemer Elementary school in in Montrose
right by Glendale. Then I went to Boston College
(03:58):
and I've been in a few differentplaces.
I was in SF for a year and a half and it's so interesting
because I think about the time Iwas in SFI didn't I was so
disengaged with even what was that 28 like 2018 ish.
I was like, I would walk throughpeople would try to sell me
drugs. Like when I'm walking from the
library, I'd see like and it wasso funny that that time I didn't
(04:20):
make the I wasn't like, damn, weshould.
Obviously I wasn't saying this is awesome, but I also wasn't
like who is my state assembly person?
Like who's on City Council? Who, who?
I didn't, I think I was just, yeah, I was younger.
I don't, I don't know. But it's crazy to think back.
And now I, I have such an avert when I see something done
that's, you know, I don't think it's great.
(04:41):
I'm, I have a version to it. So now I'm, I'm fired up and
I'm, yeah, I'm trying to get in the arena, put my, put my hat in
the ring and we'll see what we'll see what I can do.
Well, tell us about the moment that you decided I'm going to
make this a thing and actually go for it.
Cause a lot of people gripe about politics.
A lot of people say if I had power, here's XYZ what I'd like
to do what when was the moment for?
(05:01):
You yes, so it's it's it's it itfeels like it's a big
intellectual journey for for me,I started I had a podcast like
like yourself. I tried to have, you know, I'd
have people on and I remember explicitly, it wasn't a, it
wasn't a political podcast. I would just have people on and
we'd riff like mostly like, oh, what are you doing?
(05:23):
Like, you know, what's this thing you're working on?
OK, you're an actor, you're a golfer, whatever.
And then I started, I started itshifted to where, OK, I actually
think I want to talk more about politics.
It was called No Gradient and I haven't published on there in
three years, but I, it was, it was like then explicitly started
(05:44):
talking about more political stuff, mostly still about
technology. But then it finally I was like,
even even in those moments, I had a few tweets sometimes that
they didn't go viral, not like what I have now, but they would
do OK. And then at the end of it, I'd
be, Oh, this is super cool. But then it's like, nothing
would, nothing would happen. Like, OK, I, you know, part of a
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huge part of politics is cultureand getting the message out.
And obviously that is a, that isprobably, I mean, that's
probably the biggest part of it.But the other part is like, you
actually have to run and do something.
So I felt like talking into a mic and just like going on like
especially talk about things that I could maybe have an
impact on. I've been thinking about it for
a while. And then I was doing these voter
(06:29):
guides. And so I'd go through every
single thing on the ballot in Los Angeles and for California
voters, I'd read every single proposition and really try to
understand every issue. And dude, going through that
exercise, I realized, dude, there's no like help isn't
coming like these the, the people on there.
And the line I always say is if I would vote basic, most of my
(06:50):
friends, I'm not going to point out the ones I wouldn't vote.
Most of my friends, I think are,you know, generally smart
people. I think they can take in
information. I think they want to do good
things. I think they would be better
politicians than than than what we have in a lot of these,
especially these local races. Well, at federal levels, hold
another bag, bag, bag of Donuts.But at the local levels, dude,
these people are not they're notlike accomplished people like
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that. You think that, Oh, this person,
a lot of them have are, you know, they've worked in the
community, which I, I still don't know what that means.
Or they've, they've been lawyersfor a while or they've done
things that are like, they have never created a job.
They've never built something from the ground up.
They've been part of the political machine and that's
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what they know. And then they run for office and
it's like, it's funny in the OG days, like founding fathers,
like early on in our country, itwas people would do public
service. Like they would do epic stuff in
the real world. And then they would go do a
stint of public service. It'd be like, yo, bro, we need
you, You're smart. You got to come get back to the
country. And it almost seems like now it
(07:57):
that doesn't really exist. You're like a politician is a
job which feels which feels gross.
Not every lifetime, you know, lifelong politician is bad, but
I'm just like, I think we need more.
We need more. If one thing I was talking to
homie, I was like, if one thing comes out of this campaign, if
the only thing that that happensfrom it is I encourage other
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people to run like more, more candidates, more energy towards
hold on, let's actually do that.Then it will be I that will be a
success. That's like my that would be
awesome. If it's not hard to run too.
It's like you have to fill, you know, there's forms, you get a
website, you got to get a video.Yeah.
And you got, you know, you got to have free time.
(08:38):
Yeah. But yeah, so I, I just finally
was like, OK, I just need to do something.
And I think the fires really pushed me over the edge
recently. Yeah, Palisades fire and eaten
fire. And I was like, OK, let's it's
time. Yeah, I want to dig into some of
your, you know, your platform, your policy beliefs.
Before we do that, though, I, you know who is Dick Lucas.
Tell us about your background. Tell us about some of the, like
(09:00):
you were saying earlier, the epic stuff you've been doing
that, yeah, preceded this venture into public service.
I, I, I appreciate it. I, I've been a run.
I, I was a runner. I've been a runner.
So I've since racing and I'd race my teachers in preschool.
I remember I've always loved running.
So I competed in high school cross country track.
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I competed in college. That was a big part of my, that
was a big part of who I was, youknow, playing sports, that type
of stuff. Not nothing crazy in terms of,
you know, the, the, the, the growing up.
I'd say a big shift was when I first got my first laptop.
It was an HP DV6000 or somethinglike that.
In, in high school, My, my folksgot it for me and I got into
(09:47):
dig.com and I got into like learning about and in the OG
dig.com days, there's like, oh, it was like, you know, that's
like the, that's where the internet's happening in a lot of
ways. Obviously there's 4 Chan and
Reddit existed, but dig was a huge, that was a huge part And I
was just learning. I got really into technology.
I wasn't into technology before that.
Like like I, I just specificallyit was software at that point.
(10:09):
Like it was just really cool to see these networks being built
up. I had a lot of like, oh, and
Google, I remember seeing an ad for Google like I think it was a
60 minutes piece or something like about how their work
culture was like I was like, Oh my God, like there's these new
companies doing all these cool things.
I got really into that. And then in college I studied
computer science. My line there is, I always
(10:29):
thought, you know, I thought CS was for smart people.
So I didn't declare my major till sophomore year.
Like I was like, oh, I can't do this.
Like it's, you know, it's reallyhard.
And I, so I, I gritted through it.
I was an Android developer for several years.
I so I was building the Android apps.
I was working at an agency in Boston, Ray's Labs, which was an
amazing place. And then after that, I hiked the
(10:52):
Pacific Crest Trail with my sister in 2019.
So that that's in my video whereI say I'm the only politician
that's hiked the entire state. I don't even know if that's
true. I think it probably is.
I haven't, you know, I'm sure there's a politician that's, I
don't know, but probably not hiked from Mexico to Canada.
It was five months, you know, doing like a marathon a day
(11:13):
basically. And that was a really, really
cool experience. And then I came back and then
started before I left for that Sawyer my who I, who I initially
started full send with. He, he was like, yo, we should
do this thing. We should we, we were working
agency. He was like, we should start our
own because he was freelancing on the side and was like, yo, we
(11:33):
should just do this. I was like, OK, let me go hike
the trail. And when I come back, like, if I
still want to do it, let's RIP it.
So props to him. And then soon after we hired, we
call him Goo Alex Goo street name Goo and he he came on.
So it's been us through just building this thing.
And then I recently got back, got married last June, so about
a year ago and then I traveled. Congrats for thank you.
(11:55):
I appreciate it. I appreciate it.
I traveled for like 5 1/2 monthswith my with my wife and we
were, I wasn't working as much. I kind of took a back seat on
that. And I think a big inspiration
there too is you just, I was, wevisited 29 countries and you'd
really see what the power of governance like the difference
between Singapore converting from a mud pit into one of the
(12:16):
foremost hubs in the world. It's, you know, I don't want to
give politicians all the credit and they definitely don't
deserve all the credit. But it, it, it's just simple
common sense governance stuff like, OK, property rights, OK,
let's have, let's, let's allow people to start companies.
Let's have a judicial system that people can trust.
If you have these things in place, humanity's natural
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inclination is to just is to flourish.
So they people will hustle if given if the if the if the
canvas is there, people will create magic stuff.
So I, you know, a lot of countries have it's just
straight up bad governance, bad and corrupt.
And you know, a lot of things people, no country's ever gotten
from third world or developing to a first world nation due to
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some other country saying, Hey, we're going to give you all this
money, we're going to help you develop.
We're going to, I think some of those things could be, could be
helpful, but a country needs to have a good governance system
and have people that are, are good stewards of that system.
And that is extremely powerful. So you're going from country to
country. And I'm like, so I came back
that that that had a big impact on me.
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I'm like I said, the voter guides and I was like, let's RIP
it. But other than that, I As for
me, yeah, really into technologystuff, hardware stuff.
Like I love, I love what new companies are doing.
I'm all about Mars. Like let's go to Mars.
Let's let's, let's keep California, the aerospace
capital, the world. Like, let's, let's invest in
technology, let's create an Internet or an energy abundant
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future. Like all these things.
I'm just, I'm just so all in on and all these people.
I'm so inspired by all these startup founders.
Sometimes some of them will be nice enough to get coffee with
me. Like in the goon, do I reach out
to somebody? Yo, dude, let me just get coffee
because I just want to like be in your aura.
And and it's been epic. And like, I have a lot of
respect for those guys. And I'm like, damn, I want to
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have big impact too. So I think this is a high
leverage thing. Also, Yeah, I surf a bit.
I've run a little. I'm not training for anything
right now. I I I I'm our kid.
We have a kid due in November. My wife's pregnant.
So exciting. Congrats.
Yeah. Thank you.
So I'm I, I don't. Yeah.
Like my, my hobbies. I read about technology.
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I I don't know. I don't know.
I just like. Yeah.
No, Yeah, that I feel like it's a good, good picture.
And I'm curious, when you were on the trail, did you have a do
you have a trail name? I know I had a buddy who did it.
I did motorboat. He was Mozart.
Motorboat Mozart of that. Yeah, I was motorboat and yeah,
I got that a couple days. There's not really a cool story
there. I mean, and it is what you
expect. It is.
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It's I, I, there's not really a crazy story there.
But I remember the first time I used my trail name because the
first time you use it, it's really, you don't have to accept
it. Someone can say, yo, you're
this. And it's like, OK, well, no,
I'll just wait. But I was like 3 days in and
this European girl was crying. Her waters exploded, her
backpacks, like it just came here all the way from, I forget
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where somewhere and somewhere inEurope.
And she was on the side of the trail.
She was just like, and I'm like,like you'll be OK.
Like, yeah, like you can do this.
Like she was just overwhelmed. And she's like, oh, and thank
you and what's your name? And I just go motorboat.
And that was the first time I used it.
And I was like, OK, now that I've used it in that beautiful
situation, I don't know if she finished, but I don't.
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I never saw her again. But yeah, I yeah.
So Mozart that that's yeah, that's a that's a good trail
name, too. I didn't meet him.
What year did your friend do it?That's a good question.
I think it was around 18/20/2018I want to say.
Yeah, OK. I mean I was 2019 so.
Maybe some overlap? Yeah, he did 20.
Yeah. Epic.
(15:50):
Well. Anyways, we could we go on about
the PCT, but let's get into it. Let's get into the meat and
potatoes of it. You know, your a lot of your
identity you've already talked about it is around technology.
You know, references to EAC movement and techno optimism.
Tell us more about that, and tell us why you think that
California needs more politicians who are excited
about the future of technology. Yeah, so EAC movement with Beth
(16:13):
Jayzos, Bayes Lore, all those guys, that was a that was a,
that was definitely a big inspiration.
I think a lot of the American dynamism stuff is, is super
cool. Just people building things.
Technology is fundamentally is the only way that we get more
for less. It's the only lever that we
have, You know, the classic Steve Jobs, the bicycle, the
mind thing where where, you know, we're not efficient.
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We can't move more efficiently than a Condor.
But if we have a bicycle, we blow everyone out of the water.
So it's like we're tool makers and tools are the means by which
we increase prosperity and opportunity.
So to me, it's like I have this such, this deep belief that that
technology is, I mean that technology and progress are one
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in the same. There is no difference that is.
And it, it blows my mind how much I think your average person
doesn't really fully like internalize like that.
It's, you know, something I liketo think about is like when
people say, oh, when you're in nature, like, oh, in the, in the
wild or where you're in, when, you know, when you're in nature
camping or something like that. It's funny if you, if you think
(17:23):
about it like in a city, we are in nature like it's crazy.
We just, we just built all this amazing stuff to make it
extremely comfortable. So then we could focus on
whatever we wanted. We could be musicians, we could,
you know, build a start up. We could do, we could become an
artist. We could do all these cool
things because everything is like we are in the wild.
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There's no such thing as city like we are in the wild and it's
just hard working people that have built all the stuff around
you that makes it so it's so it's comfortable.
So I, I don't obviously good policy plays a, a role in that.
You know, you need to have good,you know, stuff that I already,
you know, riffed on you to have court systems, people trust you
to have rule of law, things likethat.
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Of course, that's absolutely fundamental, but like if you
look at the March of, of nationsand how they've expanded or been
left behind or self destructed, like it's technology is, is I
mean, World War 2, I mean, it's,it's technology World War One,
that's tech. It's all technology, technology
and capacity, right? Like if you can invent one
thing, but you can't build a tonof it, then it doesn't that
(18:29):
doesn't mean much. But if you can do both, which I
think it's the making stuff thatthe US is, can do better at.
I mean, I think we're still second in the world for
manufacturing, but where we havesuch a chip on our shoulder with
everything that I think people are like, OK, well, we should
China and obviously they've blown us out of the water in a
lot of ways, but we can do, we can do a lot better there.
So I think the second part of your question was California
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specifically. Yeah, I, I, I think that
California's obviously the, I think it's the, it's now the
fourth biggest economy in the world.
And so we obviously have a lot, you know, the technology
industry is obviously it's, you know, it's, it's Silicon Valley,
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it's California. A lot of aerospace and a lot of
cool military tech has come out of here.
I think it's funny, California, especially Los Angeles, people
think about entertainment. Oh, entertainment.
It's like, well, no, hold on. It's aerospace and defence.
LA is the aerospace and defence capital of the world in my
opinion. Like it's like it's, it's
unbelievable the amount of epic stuff that's starting here.
And obviously Silicon Valley up north has its own, has its own
(19:32):
game, But like our prosperity has been a lot of our, I forget
what the percent of the budget is, but a lot of it is we have a
decently high, we have a high capital gains rate.
So when these companies like have liquidity events, NVIDIA, a
lot of people sold their shares NVIDIA and it's like been a huge
boon to California's budget. And Newsom I think is OK on the
(19:54):
tech stuff. But the fact it's interesting,
what's interesting to me is likeit's not like a full throated in
support of like obviously we technology company should be
held account. And when I say technology, I
don't mean like, you know, Instagram.
I think technology got Co opted by people think of tech as like
a website and you know, that stuff is cool too, but it's
also, you know, it's also about building things.
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It's about, you know, it's aboutthe world of atoms as well,
which I think people lost. People lost that for a while,
but now it's fully back. Everyone, the vibe, the vibe is
completely shifted. So but yeah, I think, I mean,
California's done pretty good onthe tech stuff.
We were just talking about before the before the start.
It was the AI that AI bill that they were going to pass at
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Newsome vetoed, which I'm 47. Last year, yeah.
Scott Weiner's bill, Yeah. Yeah, Scott Weiner and Scott
Weiner, I don't agree. He, he's got some I, I think I
agree with him on a lot of housing stuff.
His tech stuff I think is totally off.
If you pass this stuff, it's just going to leave the state.
Like AI is just going to leave the state.
It's going to burden our burden,our AI companies and China's
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just going to kick our ass. So I think that a lot of a lot
of what like a lot of the tech policy stuff is just kind of the
do no harm thing. Like I don't think we need to
like we already have a lot of cool start-ups here.
I think we what will help us more is like lower the cost of
housing. Certainly permitting is a big
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part of that. Like let's make it easy to build
all types of housing everywhere.Let's make the permitting
process easier to build new factories.
And I mean the, the, the, the thing that I think really
punched me in the face more thananything was when I found out
this was a couple years ago thatTexas passed us in solar power
utility scale generation. And that to me was a huge, it
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was even a wake up moment for mewhere I'm like, damn, we, we
Texas doesn't care about climatechange.
What they do care about though, is they care about building and
they make it easy to build. So it's like we, the fact that
they're beating us at that, I think is going to break a lot of
people on the left's brain, lower the cost of housing.
Certainly permitting is a big part of that.
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Like let's make it easy to buildall types of housing everywhere.
Let's make the permitting process easier to build new
factories. And I mean, the, the, the thing
that I think really punched me in the face more than anything
was when I found out this was a couple years ago that Texas
passed us in solar power utilityscale generation.
And that to me was a huge, it was even a wake up moment for me
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where I'm like, damn, we, we Texas doesn't care about climate
change. What they do care about, though,
is they care about building and they make it easy to build.
So it's like we the fact that they're beating us at that I
think is going to break a lot ofpeople on the left's brains.
It's like, dude, we need and Obama just came out with
something I think today where he, you know, used time or
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yesterday, just time out, Yo. We need to like, I don't care
what your politics are. If you literally can't allow new
housing to be built. Like if you all the and all the
blue states are losing, dude, like they're losing population.
I mean, if you, if you, you knowthat when the census comes up
next year, dude, the House of Reps we're going to get the blue
states are going to get our asses kicked.
More people are moving to, more people are moving to red states.
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And I'm not a left or right guy,but I am saying like if these,
if you are, yeah, if a lot, a lot of people are like, oh,
it's, you know, people should like, I hate like the biggest
thing people do is like, oh, I wish, you know, California's
already too crowded or like, youknow, we have too many people
here. It's like, well, two things on
that front. One, that's fine.
If you think it's too, if you think it's too crowded, fine,
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but we're going to lose. We're going to have even less
say in our federal government. A lot of the same people that
say that are like, you know, wouldn't be happy about us
having fewer representatives in in Congress.
And the other thing, it's like, dude, we need to have an
environment. If people aren't moving here,
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our population went down in 2021for the first time in our
state's history. It's like, like, where do you
think, what do you think's goingto happen?
Like we need to have a place where people can move.
We it, it, it's the whole thing is like stasis.
Stasis is a myth. Societies either crumble or
flourish. There's no like, oh, well, we
can just hang out. Like put it, Europe is hanging
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out and hanging out means that you're dying because hanging out
means that same pot of resources, except we're fighting
over a fixed pot. If we're fighting over a growing
pie, everyone can kind of everyone can get behind that.
But if the pie is fixed or growing imperceptible slowly,
that's when people stop looking up, look at the stars and be
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hopeful. They start looking to their left
and right and say, hold on, thisperson has this, this person has
this, like if you are not growing, you're you're you're
dead. So we need to do everything like
we need to do everything we can.So I think the housing thing is
a big is a huge thing nuclear and we have the Diablo plant
that credit to Newsom, he didn'tdidn't shut it down as of course
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it's super expensive to keep running.
But like that's like the the classic thing like nuclear, the
people being which this vibe is shifting as well.
And then I got a I'm going to stop my rant for a second, but
nuclear energy. No, you're going to rant.
Yeah. Yeah, I know.
Of course you know nuclear is and you know all this stuff.
Dude, I'm preach. I saw what you you.
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I'm. Yeah, I love for you to to like,
you know, push back and then go for it.
I have no problem with that. But like nuclear is the
cleanest, safest form of energy there is that we know of.
It's like it's science fiction and the fact that we stopped
building those, you know, Nixon had the, that whole plan to
build a was it 1000 nuclear reactors by the year 2000 or
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something? And then, and also the Nuclear
Regulatory Commission was created and then not like, like
it basically stopped that they didn't approve one new design or
it didn't prove anything for several decades.
And it's like, I think what we're really a lot of the
question comes down to a lot of the, the it's not like left or
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right. I actually think that's a false
dichotomy in a lot of ways. It's a the single best question
you can ask someone, I think, tounderstand where they where they
lie on their view of the world is, is growth good?
Like is because some people, they a lot of people don't they
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think of growth as pollution. They think of growth as traffic.
They think of growth as, you know, using more resources.
It's like, dude, we have infinite, we have the universe,
we have infinite number of resources.
Resources are not an issue. Obviously climate change, we
have to, you know, I'm not, I'm,I'm not a deniest on that, on
that stuff, but it's like we or people don't want humanity to
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grow. They're like, oh, you know, Jane
Goodall had her quote from a couple years back.
She's like, I think 400 million people is the good.
And this is the monkey lady. Everyone knows, you know, she
did good work with the monkeys and she's like, I think 400
million people is the right amount of people on on Earth.
And it's funny because that sounds like, Oh, she just wants
it. But dude, in that in that saying
that is like any that is basically, I mean, that's
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basically saying you want humanity to disappear.
You want less opportunity, You want to pull the rug out.
A lot of thinking and policies are downstream of I don't want
there to be more growth. Like housing is 1.
Like if you don't want to be more growth, it makes a lot of
sense why a lot of these policies get passed.
It makes sense why permitting isa pain in the ass because you
don't view abundant energy is asa categorical good.
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So it's like I that to me is really where I, that's where the
rubber hits the road for me. No, I actually think I'm I'm
aligned on that being the core issue and something that I think
is the defining question of the moment that we're in and the
future of the state. Like you're saying, if you look
at California's history, I just did this this episode on it last
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week, kind of the evolution of the California dream and growth
was one of the defining characteristics of the state.
Like you're saying, just incredible growth up until, you
know, 2020 and but the movement started before that, the anti
growth movement. Yes.
I don't know if you're familiar with Virginia posture.
I pull out her book. It's actually holding up my
microphone right now. The future and its enemies.
But she argues that this is written 30 years ago.
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I interviewed her a couple weeksago.
She's yeah, it's interview. You know, she has great
interviews and stuff like summary.
Awesome. One of the things is like her,
the key dividing line in politics and her view is it it's
not so much about left or right.It's about dynamism versus
stasis, A willingness to embracechange and evolution and a more
dynamic future versus being a little bit more stagnant.
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And I think in California in particular, ever since that anti
growth movement of the 60s seventies took off and defined a
lot of the systems that we have today of slowing down growth and
whatnot. I, I, I think you're on to
something there. So you mentioned housing a lot.
You know, I mean, I guess one question I'm sure people would
ask is Newsom himself now is trumpeting, you know, this year
there's a big YIMBY win of getting sequa reform pass for
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multifamily infill. And he and, you know, Senator
Weiner and other people would argue like, hey, we're making
movement, we're making progress on that.
What would you say to that? What are your views on some of
those recent changes? I'm all for any improvement.
So I think and then they did just pass something.
I think like July 3rd, right before the 4th, they pass
something. And Jared, I tried to read and I
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ultimately tweeted, I was like, OK, this is cool.
Like, you know, anything, any March in towards progress, OK,
I'm going to support. I'm not just going to dunk on
Newsom because, you know, I don't if it is a good idea, it's
a good idea. But dude, I tried to read the
like, I tried to read the bill and I'm like, I, I cannot.
It's 30 pages and it's like there's all these carve outs and
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there's all these things. So at first I was like, OK, this
is awesome. And it does feel like it's an
improvement, but it's, it's a lot of, I feel like we could do
a whole lot better now. It's an interesting question
though, because I basically like, I love New York City, for
example. I think that I love humanity.
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I love a lot of humans. You know, the amalgamation
effects of people being close together.
Magic just happens when you put a lot of humans together.
Businesses get built, culture gets created, everything.
That's, that's where a lot happens.
Obviously I'm not, you know, people that aren't in a big
city. Mad respect for you as well.
I but I do love, you know, I do love cities.
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So I love building high. I love skyscrapers.
I, I mean, New York City's population is lower than it was
like 100 years ago. And it's like, holy, that is,
that is extremely alarming to me.
So yeah, some of this housing stuff.
My, my ethos is we just, we needto allow, we need to build just
more. We need to make it far easier to
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build and we need to build up and we need to build more.
I don't know. There, there's some things you
can do at the state level, but alot of this is the local level.
And, and, and Newsome, to his credit, they pass some stuff
where basically if if you didn'tapprove a certain housing
project or something, or it would like, the state would come
and be like, OK, boom, this justauto approved.
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Like if there was a, there's a time to lay on it or something
like that. They've done stuff like that
where the state does have some power.
But a lot of this, it's an interesting, it's an interesting
dynamic because what you really,if you want this movement to
win, I really feel like you haveto convince people that that
growth and, and, and there beingmore people around is a good
thing. Because on one hand, yes, people
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have the right to vote in their communities and determine how
those communities, what happens in those communities.
Like do we want high rises here?Do we?
Do we not? Do we?
But we've gone way too far in the in the direction of no, I
don't want this housing project get built.
I want my not only do I want my that's the scary thing.
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I want my property values to stay high.
So why would I add supply? I also want, I want less
traffic. I want like, I want to keep
everything the same. So if we're going to win, we
have to convince these people. We need to convince these people
that if, if we're, if we keep going on the track we're on like
our, we're just going to, we, weneed growth or we are going to
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die. Like we need to allow people, I
mean, the classic thing in SF, most liberal city in the world,
the percent of black people thatlive there, I think it used to
be 20 years ago, I forget it was20% or something.
And it just keeps dive bombing. And the reason is, is because
black people tend to be lower income and they can't afford to
live there. So it the most liberal place in
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the world claims to be for, you know, for minorities and for but
their policies like, and I thinka lot of people aren't, they're
obviously not doing this on purpose.
So it's a, it's a, it's a, you know, it's part of what you're
doing with, with the future society.
Like you, we need to convince people because everyone gets to
vote. So it's like, no, we need to
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allow this, this laundromat thatyou say is historical, that
can't be touched for the next 10,000 years because you know
what? We need to convince them no,
hey, we need to make, we need tomake this an apartment building
or we need to make, we need to build it high so that this helps
lower income people. Like this is the big thing here.
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If a lot of these rich communities, it's like a lot of
people want to help, especially on the left.
They, they want to be the peopleof, of the poor and the working
class. That's a good mission.
I'm all for that. To do that, they have to be able
to live. They have to be able to afford
to live in, you know, in cities,especially in cities, because
that's where a lot of the opportunity is.
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That's lower. The economic dynamism is that's
where some of the best jobs are.That's where they're going to
have happenstance run into people that can help them.
Like, you know, that can be the conversation that changed their
life and somehow they get a new job or they join a completely
new network. They wouldn't have.
So it's like, I just, it blows it.
It just blows my mind. And I think housing is I, I, I
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at first in my campaign website,I had the economy first because
there's the classic James Carville.
It's the economy stupid. I think that was him with the
Clinton campaign. And I think of course, the
economy when you look at the polling in the last presidential
election, at least, you know, I think economy was damn near one
of the one of the top thing or inflation I think was the top.
But it's always about the economy.
But I think what hits harder right now is the housing thing.
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Everyone, everyone feels like, damn, rent is so expensive, it
keeps going up. So no, that's why I think you're
right, yeah. Yeah, no, I think it's I mean,
it's the number one reason people cite when they leave the
state. And there's a lot of people for
all the successes or recent victories, you know, like I know
yon ceramic of California forever, he often points out
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like he's the one trying to build that new city up in Solano
County. He's like for all these unity
reforms, like where are the homes?
Where are the units where like we talk about these reforms, but
where are the cranes? I, and that's on my website too
by my 5th priority, build new cities and obviously governments
don't just build new cities, right, but the ethos there is
California forever project floods, flood Solana county.
Like they're like, let me the salon, like what is it?
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Lake Salon, I think, or something like that.
Or no that. Excuse me, what's the one?
Salton, the Salton Sea. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah. Fine if you don't, if you don't
want there to be high rises in Santa Monica, which Santa Monica
has done an OK job. I always think we can do better.
Of course. I mean, I think we can do a lot
better. But like, fine, if you don't
want to allow that, please gives.
We have a lot of land in California.
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Like let's give people an opportunity to put some common
sense zoning some put some epic stuff in the city's charter that
says yes, build and let's just let that happen.
Let's support that. I'm sure the federal government,
even in this administration, dude, with Trump and California
don't get along. If we say the federal
government, hey, here's what we're going to do, give us this
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land. You know, the presidio people
talk about this, that's federal land.
Make it like if you say, hey, we're going to build a bunch of
you know, obviously I'm not about in nature like public
party. We have a ton of land here that
you know what I like to say, dude, like to say if if the US
had a billion people, we would be less dense still than
Germany. Like, yeah, we have so much
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space here. And I love nature.
I mean, I hike the PCT dude. Like I get all this stuff, which
is why I also want to build up like, but like, let people just
let people build it. Let's build new things.
It's so funny the concept, it shows how broken our brains are
today, dude, that the concept ofa new city, it almost it doesn't
even compute with me. That's how brainwashed up.
And I'm like, oh, you can't justbuild a new city.
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Like that doesn't work. But it's like, dude, every,
every city was a startup at one point.
And, you know, they blew up for reason, you know, Hudson Bay and
stuff. And I get all in, you know,
Chicago, dude, Bill Burnham. It was not Bill Burnham.
Who's Daniel Burnham who built the architect Burnham.
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Yeah, yes. Chicago, World's fair, Devil in
the White City. I read that in high school.
I just reread it, dude. It's just like, it just, it just
gets the blood. Dude.
His quote about make no, make nosmall plans.
They have no magic to stir men'sblood like you, just like it's
just that type of thinking, especially from people in the
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government. It's just completely dead.
It's like it's I don't even dude, the things these people
tweet, dude, I'm telling you at the local level, like I fall, I
try to understand what these people are talking about.
Like I try to stay informed withmy state senator, my state
assemblyman, and I'm like, bro, what are you doing?
If you if you're not tweeting about homelessness, the economy
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or housing, like anything else, anything else, just just just
stop. Like I don't want to hear about
anything else because nothing else matters if we can't, if we
can't handle those things and the economy is doing well in
California, I think it'd be a hell of a lot better.
You know it. But like I said, I think there's
no reason we can't be the secondbiggest economy in the world
behind the USI just don't. I just don't see, I don't see
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why we can't. And it's funny.
Newsome, he's very good at this dude, because I follow dude the
the politician. They have this down to a science
dude. I follow his his newsletter.
I mean, I encourage you to do that.
If you don't, you probably already do.
But he, he puts out like a pressrelease almost two or three
times a day. And he'll say these things and
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it's like, yo, California's the fourth biggest economy in the
world. And and he'll say like, you
know, we're we're this and we'rethat, which in a in, in a, in a
vacuum, that's awesome. That's true.
And yes, I think our, our economy is still doing well.
There's still a lot of start-upshere.
I think. I'm not, I'm not saying, oh,
we're completely screwed, but ifyou dude, what's the
competition? Europe is disappearing.
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Japan's been staggered. They're coming back a little
bit. But it's like, dude, there's
there is there's no everything every the West is disappearing
right now, like all, everyone's just stagnating to death.
Except it's like we have China, which they obviously have
problems, but we have the US andobviously, you know, they're in
Southeast Asia. We got some countries growing
there and they're hustlers. Dude.
I was in Thailand and Vietnam, dude, they're all just all just
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hustling over there. But like it's not we're beating
like, oh, we passed Germany, dude, Germany shut down all
their nuclear reactors and they're burning 10,000 year old
forests. Like the we, there is no
competition right now. That's what's the scariest part.
It's like it's, it's so scary that that, that, that another
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thing dude, his he'll, he'll confirm, he'll compare gas
prices. So this is the last example I'll
give it compare. Oh, look, gas prices don't
listen to everyone. This is gas prices are high or
whatever. And he won't lie.
He'll say, listen, gas prices are down 15% compared to July of
last year. Like as we're going to the July
4th weekend. And I'm like, yes, you're right.
But dude, they're the most expensive in the country and we
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are top 8 oil producing state. So it's like, and I get he needs
to he I get it, you need to convince people you're in power.
I get it. I'm not saying that, but it's
like, This is why dude, these guys are slippery dude, Because
it's like don't look, I think people zoom in too much.
They zoom in way too much. It's like the question isn't
where were gas prices yesterday or where is homelessness?
Like are we better than a year ago?
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The question is, the question isblank slate.
Where are we compared to the where are we compared to the
other states? And if you do it, which is I
think the only metric that matters.
US in comparison to other statesit's, it's, it's just it's not
good homelessness is not good we're like the worst in the
country. Gas prices are way too high and
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it's funny the gas prices thing gas prices OK, this is this will
be the last thing and then we'llthe The funny thing with gas
prices is it's it the poor people are the ones that spend a
larger percentage of their income on fuel.
Our utility electricity cost is 50% above the national dude
Newsom, he just put out this clean energy thing.
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I'm sure you saw that Californiawas powered 2/3 of clean energy,
blah blah, blah like we are. Yes, we've made progress there.
Why are our utility rates 50% higher than the national
average? Don't tell a poor person, Don't
tell someone that's spending a larger percent of their income
on, on energy, on electricity than you.
That oh, isn't it so great that we have clean energy?
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Dude, they are trying to grow a family.
They're trying to feed them. They're trying to save money for
Christmas presents. We are shoving the the the green
thing down people's throat and I'm all for it.
Solar's a great technology. We need to let's build more.
Let's do it, but we need we needto lower the cost of energy as
well. We need to lower the gas is the
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same way, dude, gas utility coming into your house is 100%
the national average and it's like this hurts.
Why are these are kitchen table issues, dude, Like why are we?
And another thing, I'll, I'll gohere.
I dude, I love fine, you know, ILove Actually running for like
actually doing this and talking to you right now is I'm always
told like, oh, this isn't reallythe setting to talk about this.
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Like, you know, I stopped talking politics basically with
like a lot of people leading up to this because I was like, I'm
just going to run. I'm so tired of people saying,
you know, at dinner tables, no one wants to hear politics.
I get it. But like, yeah, it's never a
time and place it like it everyone always this isn't the
time is I've torpedoed dinner parties, dude.
I've had some horrible performances like like on some
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of this abundant stuff and I'm like, dude, we need to grow and
growth is good. And people like a German guy
telling me, dude, what do you his eyes were he's like, what do
you mean? We need to grow like this?
He, you know, he viewed it as evil.
And I'm like, and I I've just, I've just given up.
So I if I run, I feel like no one can say, hey, man, this
isn't the time. Like, you know, you shouldn't
really. It was like, OK, hold on.
If I'm actually running, then let me let me go there.
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Talking about things that are under attack, I think, I think
what you just said will resonatewith a lot of people.
But at the same time, I know a lot of people, you know,
immigration obviously is such a hot topic and ICE raids
happening in California. And I want to talk about your
what you'll be running as and your party position later on.
I know you've already said you're not left or right, but
immigration issue, it's a hot one.
What's your view on on on immigration right now?
These ICE raids happening in LA?Yeah, if you look at a lot of
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the stuff is 8020 issues. So I think most people, most
people want a secure border. Most people, if you are a
criminal and you are an illegal immigrant, you most people think
it's reasonable you should get deported.
That doesn't like if you're hereillegally and you're you're
gone. I'm sorry, like we most people
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and look at the polling like it's out.
It's you know, it sounds mean, but it's like that's just a
reasonable thing. People want to feel like they're
bore scare. And then another piece of this
is no one's talking about the fentanyl.
No one's talking about the fentanyl stuff.
The biggest cause of death from 18 to 45 year olds is is drug
overdose. And it blows my mind that Trump
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I, I, I don't, I think he, you know, he's heavy-handed a lot of
the ways he does things. It is interesting.
Why, why, why didn't Biden talk about this stuff?
Like people? I know someone that, that, that,
that died of overdose. These are real issues that
really get to the heart. People see their communities.
I mean, even in Santa Monica, richest, like one of the richest
cities in the world, you see this stuff everywhere.
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It's like, why is it crazy? And it's so funny because the
counter, the counter was sometimes you, oh, well,
fentanyl pills are small and it's really hard to secure.
It's like, dude, what? Like, OK, yes, we should have
reasonable we shouldn't spend itlike a trillion dollars on the
border and like try to make prevent every single pill and
like throw every. It's like, no, we shouldn't do
that, But it's like no one. The Atlantic wrote a great piece
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a while back and they said if ifDemocrats don't secure the
border, fascists will. And you know, I'm not here
calling Trump a fascist, but what I am saying is if you leave
these issues to, if these commonsense issues like of securing
the border to the, to the other party, like it's, it's, it's not
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going to be a good thing. Like I think that both the left
and the right are completely cooked in a lot of ways.
And As for the ICE raid, specifically in Los Angeles, I
think that I think the emphasis should absolutely be on
criminals. I think that people that are
here illegally that haven't doneanything wrong, I don't think
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those people should be targeted.I think that a lot of what the,
a lot of what the Trump campaignhas done is is it they've
targeted criminals. Seems like there's the big, big
dragnet, like in the, in the way, the way they tweet about
it, dude, it's like, like they're really happy when they
deport someone. It's like, no, I don't want to
be happy when a criminal gets deported.
Like let's not, let's just, we just want a secure city.
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We just want to, you know, we, we, we don't need to show off
about it. But I think that, yeah, I think
that it's tough because there's double edged sword.
There's a lot of, you know, you talked a lot of second
generation, you know, third generation Mexicans.
A lot of these people want a secure border too.
And also people that came here through the system that came
here legally. What are you supposed to say to
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them when you know, they waited several years before they could
finally get over here and they did it right?
And it's like, no, or you could just cross the border and get a
job and you could just do it that way and you'd be totally
fine. It's like, we need to have it.
We need to have a balance here. Obama deported a hell of a lot
of people and he didn't, but I think he was.
Don't make it like you should say, yo, we're obscuring the
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border. But don't make it like, I think
there's a way to do it. I mean, these people's lives are
talking about people that are haven't done anything wrong and
getting deported. We need to be sensitive to that,
but we also need to be sensitiveto the system.
We need to be a country of laws.As for, As for like the left or
the right, what I'm running as Idon't, I don't know my plan yet,
to be honest. There's I have talked to some
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folks. We'll we'll see in the way the,
the, the primaries in June. So we've got like 11 months.
I have to file paperwork before that, but I'm pretty sure you
can change your party up until pretty, pretty close.
So I think the, the, the, the, the paperwork filings in March,
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but it's a top 2 vote getters move on.
So you have, it doesn't matter what party you're part of.
It's just the top 2 vote getters.
So if you're a Democrat, if two Democrats could go on to the
general, 2 Republicans could. That'll never happen here.
But what you see is in, especially in my district,
extremely left-leaning, I think what 90 percent, 90% Kamala, 10%
Trump is these are low information voters.
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A lot of people. No one even knows what a state
assembly person is like. I, I do because I'm running for
this, but it's like or state senator.
Very few people know who's representing them.
If you see if you want change, you'll probably vote R and you
won't even look up the person who just, oh, this persons are
boom, vote for them. If you're kind of down with the
left or whatever, you're findingthings are fine.
You're just going to vote D. You're like the Republicans are
crazy and they're crazy in a lotof ways.
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You're just going to vote D Likethese people aren't going to my
website and like trying to figure me out and stuff like
that. So there's some game theory
stuff here and there's a right answer.
Like if I run as a Republican, Imaybe I stay as an independent,
but an NPP a no party preference.
I think no one with NPP has everwon in California State Assembly
in history. If I go as a Republican and and
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compete against a Dem, like there's no chance I'll win the
general. Almost certainly.
I mean, there's there's. There's like a 50 point gap last
last there's a 50 in the assembly 51st.
Yeah, Yeah, there's a chance if I run as a Dem, it's possible
that that I don't get the. I won't get the.
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It's possible I don't get the party establishment like
endorsement because I think there's some things here that
that I'm saying that they're notdown for the other person gets
it. And then I'm a Dem versus versus
an established Dem. I lose out and then people just
vote. They are.
So there's interesting stuff here.
I don't know. I don't know what I'm going to
do yet. I'm really just trying to focus
on talk about the issues. Let's hear what people are
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saying. Let's get fired up.
I'm going to go do I'm going to start going now.
I have the website up, the videoup.
I got to start going door to door.
I want to talk to people and just see the question I want to
ask is what are your two biggestissues?
They're like, what's the most important thing to you?
I actually, you know, I want to hear now I'm curious what people
actually, I'm sure homelessness can be up there, but we'll see.
I want to talk to people. I want to see.
And you know, if I say I don't know what I'm running as yet,
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you know, and we'll kind of talkit out.
We'll kind of see what the see what the deal is.
And I'm not raising money right now.
I just have full, full flexibility right now.
We'll we'll see. I mean, I literally just
launched it today. So we'll see.
We'll see what yeah, we'll see what happens.
But it's it's exciting. Well, I know we're getting a
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time here. Where can people learn more if
they want to follow what you're going to be up to?
And then if you could leave people with just one message,
what would that be? Yeah, so Dick C Lucas on Twitter
also Dick lucas.com go there. I have a sub stack you Click to
become a Dick button you get takes you to sub stack
subscribe. I haven't done anything yet with
it. I'm just collecting emails right
(49:42):
now and yeah, that I'm on Instagram too, but my main
following is on X Yeah, So DixieLuke and I'm Dixie Lucas on
Instagram. I'm not on TikTok.
And that, yeah, that's another thing, dude, that yeah, talk
about rule of law, like Congressand Supreme Court, like, yo, you
need to ban this. And Trump just he's like, no,
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we're going to make a deal. It's like, dude, that's insane
to me. It's like that I wanted to
TikTok ban you anyway. My, my, my single message to
lead people with I'd say is, is,is seriously ask yourself, cause
a lot of things I'm talking about it's, it's, it's growth,
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it's about more, it's about taller buildings, it's about
more energy production. And, and I want you to, I want
you to feel that these are, these are good positive, these
are good positive things are going to help more people.
They're going to help you and they're also going to help more
people growth humanity flourishing.
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Going to the stars is a good thing because the alternative is
the alternative is death. We are done if we don't, if we
don't do it, I mean, we're, we are 100% chance we're going to
die off if we don't go to another.
Like there's not even a debate. At some point Earth's going to
get blown away. Like so something I wrote a
piece on this, but it's like Mother Nature's only hope, at
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least this Mother Nature on Earth is humanity because we
can, we can save every species on here, Noah's ark style,
because we can take them to another planet at some point.
Earth's gone. If we don't, we don't keep
growing. We are done.
We are 100% done. And I think some people are OK
with that. Some people are like, oh, that's
OK. Humanity doesn't, it's like, but
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most people are not even the people that aren't like pro
growth or is like, no, I think it's, I think it's OK to have
humans around. I think it's a good thing.
So it's like, OK, well, if you think that that's a good thing.
We don't have, you know, classicthing.
Oh, we have problems here. We can't go to Mars, dude.
We solve the problems here by going to Mars.
You don't solve. You don't solve problems by, you
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know, make no small plans. They have no magic disturbance.
But the only way, like the only way we get, yeah, the only way
we get to Mars is like the only way we can solve the problems
here. The only we got to the moon and
a lot of that technology we use down here like we have to be, we
have to be positive. We have to think.
We have to think about the future.
We have to think big or we're orwe're completely done.
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So I I think that allowing an apartment building to be built
that's over 10 stories in your backyard is the same thing as
going to Mars. I view all these things as one.
It's just the same question. So yeah, let's that, that
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that's, that's the message. Growth is good.
Well. Dick, I appreciate your time and
if everyone wants to follow along, go to the sub stack
become a Dick, I appreciate you and best of luck in this
upcoming election. Awesome.
Thank you so much, Jarrett. Really appreciate it.
Thanks for having me on. None.
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