August 12, 2024 • 50 mins
Chat out of Hell 2: Chat into Hell kicks off here.
We finally learn who won the cheeky bat mascot contest, Sam gets too involved in learning about A1 Sauce's "Sing For Your Beef" and we do get around to answering a few questions about I'd Do Anything For Love (But I Won't Do That). Questions like:
Why does nobody know what "that" is when it's explained in the song?
Who directed this ridiculous music video?
Which famous retired Special Forces soldier cites this song as his inspiration for signing up?
CooH is back on its fortnightly release schedule so we'll see you on Monday 26th August to talk about Hulk Hogan's Theme and Out of the Frying Pan and into the Fire.
The Meat Loaf ads discussed on this episode are:
Frankie and Benny's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxS0kXUPLDI
A1 Sauce https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSAa9FgTBSg
AT&T GoPhone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHCk4mWtqCs
We also discussed his ad for ST1 Petrol Stations but had to cut it for time. It's an incredible visual feast though https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVbFS5mYnEw
Keep your comments, reviews and arguments flying in to chatoutofhell@gmail.com
Chat out of Hell is a is a review podcast: all music extracts are used for review/illustrative purposes. To hear the songs in full please buy them from your local record shop or streaming platform. Don't do a piracy.
Music extracts on this episode:
I'd Do Anything for Love (But I Won't Do That) by Meat Loaf from the album Bat out of Hell 2: Back into Hell (1993)
Rapping for my Beef by Big White Seth (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBvK26ogkwI)
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
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Sam (00:00):
Emma, what is this?
Emma (00:01):
This is Chat Out of Hell, the only fortnightly podcast
dedicated to Meat Loaf and JimSteinman.
Sam (00:07):
Who is Meat Loaf?
Emma (00:09):
Meat Loaf is a singer, actor, performer and star of the
1997 film Spiceworld.
Who's Jim Steinman?
Sam (00:17):
The self proclaimed Lord of Excess, who once wore the same
pair of contact lenses for 17years Uh Also, they both made
music, who are we?
Emma (00:28):
I'm Emma Crossland and you're Sam Wilkinson.
We are, I don't know, comediansor something?
Writers?
Tossers?
Sam (00:35):
Yeah, that all sounds about right!
Emma (00:37):
Welcome to Chat out of Hell
Sam (00:38):
Bow now, now, now!
Emma (00:41):
We're back?
Sam (00:42):
What was it like not thinking about Meat Loaf for six
weeks?
Emma (00:45):
Calm.
Sam (00:46):
Yeah,
Emma (00:47):
I did have a Meat Loaf incident while I was out and
about cause although I've beentrying to exist on a diet of non
Meat Loaf music it did creep inon my shuffle playlist while I
was driving home from a gig.
I was driving home from a gig inWakefield and it was a Friday
night.
And, Bad For Good came onshuffle on my phone.
And, As it was kicking off andgetting to the good bits a bloke
(01:11):
on a motorbike rode past me andin his hand was a can of special
brew.
And that's the most rock androll thing that's happened to me
in a long time.
Sam (01:20):
Oh, that man was bad
Emma (01:22):
Oh, for good.
Sam (01:23):
And so was his choice of lager.
Emma (01:27):
Yeah.
I've never drunk special brewbefore, but somebody told me
that it was like drinking twocans of lager at the same time..
Sam (01:34):
Ha! I don't remember if we've talked about this on
podcast or not before, butSpecial Brew was invented for
Winston Churchill.
Emma (01:43):
It is an efficient way of getting
Sam (01:45):
getting drunk.
Yeah, and if there's one thingWinston Churchill liked, it's
getting drunk and droppingapocryphal bons mot.
that story of the woman saying,Mr.
Churchill, I believe you aredrunk.
And him saying, ah, madam, youare ugly, but in the morning I
will be sober.
It really takes on a differenttone when you consider that he's
(02:05):
holding a a can of special brew.
Lovely
Emma (02:08):
special.
That lovely golden can
Sam (02:12):
Today's podcast is brought to you by.
Emma (02:15):
Special brew if the people at Carlsberg are listening we'd
love a case
Sam (02:19):
Yes, please do.
I've never drunk special brew.
I think we need to.
Yeah, and a whole case will killus.
Either if you work for Carlsbergor you just to end the podcast?
do send us a case of specialbrew.
Emma (02:34):
Some might say it's the kindest thing.
Ha ha
Sam (02:37):
we've had some messages while we've been away.
We've had quite a few, actually.
Would you like to listen to theone you know about, the one you
kind of know about, or the brandnew one?
Emma (02:46):
Ooh, I'd like to listen to the brand new
Sam (02:48):
This is just a bit of a comment on Film Club.
This is from Eddy
Emma (02:53):
Huh.
Hi, Eddy.
Sam (02:54):
Longtime listener, regular messenger.
He appreciated my comparisonbetween Streets of Fire and that
episode of Star Trek Deep SpaceNine, 9.
Emma (03:03):
Nerds
Sam (03:03):
to the extent that he now wants to watch Streets of Fire.
So based on that one piece offeedback, our film club was a
complete failure.
That wasn't what we were doingthis for We watch these films so
you don't have have to! If itcomes on film four on a Saturday
(03:24):
afternoon.
Yeah.
That's the only time I wouldwarrant watching
Emma (03:30):
And you've done literally everything else there is to do.
Sam (03:33):
We've had some names in for our cheeky bat mascot.
I have mentioned these to youbefore but I'll run them by you
on the pod.
See which you like.
We put out a competition at thevery start, of series one.
For somebody to come up with aname for the cheeky purple bat
that adorns our podcast art thatEmma we've got two names that
have come in.
(03:53):
Marvelous.
We could either have That the
Emma (03:56):
bat.
That the bat.
Sam (03:58):
Or, Batloaf, the bat.
So I'll put it over to you Emma.
this is a competition with aprize.
There will be a badge wingingits way to
Emma (04:07):
I see what you did there with the bat and the winging.
Sam (04:09):
I really didn't intend to.
Emma (04:11):
I like That the bat.
Sam (04:12):
That the bat.
Congratulations to Tom Furnivalfrom Cambridge who sent that
suggestion.
And commiserations to
Emma (04:20):
Tom Furnival from Cambridge,
Sam (04:23):
who suggested Batloaf.
Emma (04:25):
Sometimes it feels like we're podcasting into the void.
Sam (04:29):
No, Tom's listening.
Emma (04:31):
From the void.
Yeah.
Sam (04:33):
One more then.
We have an email that has comein while we're on our summer
break.
This is a message that came fromTom, I think Wuffenden, maybe
Wuffenden, sorry.
Emma (04:45):
Tom, write in and let us know.
Sam (04:47):
Yeah, why
Emma (04:47):
We're the only people that listen to our podcast called
Tom.
Sam (04:50):
listen to our podcast called Tom.
We are a Tom heavy podcast,yeah.
Yeah, we have more listenerscalled Tom than, I, I imagine,
women listeners.
It's
Emma (05:00):
It's just me and my mum.
Sam (05:02):
count as a
Emma (05:03):
I know.
On the stats I
Sam (05:05):
your mum doesn't listen.
It's she just says
Emma (05:08):
fessed up.
She said, oh, I keep meaning to.
Yeah, OK.
Sam (05:12):
yeah, keep meaning to isn't clicks.
Anyway, Tom says, Tom says, Hifolks! I properly discovered
Meat Loaf last year when I sawthe Bat Out of Hell musical.
I then started looking into JimSteinman.
And may I say, we're both veryexcited to go see the Bat Out of
Hell musical next
Emma (05:29):
yes.
Sam (05:32):
Tom continues, The guy is a legend, an incredible body of
songs, but I must say, thoughthe podcast is a Meat Loaf
jukebox.
And thank you for telling uswhat kind of podcast we have,
Tom, because I do struggle tosort of explain the point of
this
Emma (05:46):
and I think
Sam (05:48):
And I think that's what, we're a jukebox podcast.
point
Emma (05:50):
Yeah, we're a Meat Loaf jukebox podcast.
That still doesn't explain thepoint of it, but at least it's
some words to use.
Sam (05:58):
I'd love you to include songs from Steinman's only
record, Bad For Good, the albummade for Meat Loaf but he was so
drugged and fucked up by then hecouldn't sing.
So Steinman, who can't singanyway, stepped in to do an
album, and he was so bad hedrafted in Rory Dodd to sing a
few songs on the record, bestknown for being the guy in Total
Eclipse of the Heart who singsturn around bright eyes.
Emma (06:21):
rendition there, Sam.
Sam (06:22):
you.
way out of my register.
Emma (06:26):
Register!
Sam (06:27):
Turn around, bright eyes.
Me and Tom Waits, we're likethat.
Emma (06:32):
There's
Sam (06:33):
and Tom Waits were like that.
Emma (06:34):
a
Sam (06:35):
There's a YouTube video of Steinman singing the track
Rock'n'Roll Dreams Come Throughon some German TV show, but he's
miming and Rory Dodd is the onesinging.
It's hilarious.
Though I will say, that is agreat song.
Agreed.
Emma (06:47):
Absolutely.
Sam (06:48):
People who don't know that song, I think you'll hear it at
some point on this series.
It's
Emma (06:51):
likely.
Sam (06:53):
Dance In My Pants would be a great one for you guys to
cover.
It's mental.
Agreed on both points, that onewill be coming up very
Emma (07:00):
soon.
Sam (07:01):
Ah ha.
Also, Steinman wrote the lyricsto the musical Whistle Down the
Wind, with music by none otherthan Andrew Lloyd Webber.
How on earth did that happen?
What a bizarre combo.
Steinman was previously asked byALW Are
Emma (07:14):
we on board with No.
Sam (07:16):
It
Emma (07:17):
It takes It's harder to say than Andrew Lloyd Webber.
It's
Sam (07:20):
like w w w for World Wide Web.
Do lyrics for Phantom of theOpera.
Which makes way more sense.
But he was too busy with BonnieTyler doing Faster than the
Speed of Sound.
Though Steinman said what astupid idea it obviously was to
have turned down Phantom.
Okay, I agree, Steinman shouldhave done Phantom, because,
Emma (07:38):
It would have been amazing.
Sam (07:39):
Jim Steinman is the phantom of the Opera.
in all possible ways.
We are going to talk about thelife he lived, outside of work,
I think, on this series.
But also, uh, Faster than thespeed of sound's a really good
record, actually.
And I am going to bring somesongs off that.
Thanks, guys.
I'm so glad this podcast exists.
I know! All the best, Tom.
(08:00):
And I would just like toreiterate that Tom is a real
person
Emma (08:02):
exists.
It's not just you writing to
Sam (08:04):
It's not just me! A real person that neither of us have
met is glad this podcast existsShall we have a little bit of a
recap before we go into
Emma (08:11):
I think we probably should.
The idea was that we wouldanalyse in, as I've said many
times before, punishing detailthe songs of Meat Loaf and Jim
Steinman, with a view toeventually, at a point TBC
writing our own Meat Loaf esqueepic.
(08:31):
And so this is basically a studyin preparation for that.
A study.
I know.
Yeah.
Sam (08:37):
a jukebox and a
Emma (08:39):
It's a jukebox and it's a study, which I think makes it an
academic body of work.
Sam (08:43):
Holy shit, we're professors.
Emma (08:44):
I think this is our PhD.
I'm definitely putting a lotmore work into this than I ever
did my actual degree.
Sam (08:51):
Oh shit, me too yeah, yeah.
2 2 in philosophy, if anybody's
Emma (08:55):
Ah, 2 1 in television production, which has served me
very well indeed.
Sam (08:59):
Normally on this podcast, Emma, we both bring a Meat Loaf
or Jim Steinman written slashperformed slash something song
for us to kick about togetherand talk about and then rate on
our patented scales.
This episode, we're openingseries two with their best
biggest song in sales terms incultural impact terms and in
(09:22):
literal size So we've decided tojust do this one song between us
and that song is I'd Do AnythingFor Love,(But I Won't Do That)
so listeners, go away, find I'dDo Anything For Love But I Won't
Do That on YouTube, Spotify,wherever you get your music.
Mine comes off CD.
Emma (09:39):
Aww.
Sam (09:43):
you! You could try the video, the music video is
fantastic.
Many of you will have seen it,but it's only the seven minute
edit, whereas the full versionof the song is 12 minutes long,
so We won't judge you if youdon't want to listen to all of
that.
Go away, listen to it.
We're gonna play a clip of itnow and we'll see you after
this.
Music (10:00):
as the wheels are turning As long as the fires are burning
As long as your prayers arecoming true You'd better believe
it That I would do anything forlove And you know it's true and
that's a fact I would doanything for love, and there'll
(10:25):
never be no turning back.
Sam (10:31):
That was nice, wasn't it?
It Yeah, we didn't make youlisten to some shite this time.
Emma (10:36):
It's a true classic.
Sam (10:38):
Emma, tell us about this.
Emma (10:39):
I'd do anything for love, but I won't do that, was
released on August the 31st,1993.
It's from Bat Out of Hell 2,Back Into Hell.
The singers on that song were,of course, Meat Loaf, but also
Lorraine Crosby sang the part ofthe woman and was credited on
the album as Mrs.
Loud, rather than, an actualproper credit.
Sam (11:02):
British.
Oh,
Emma (11:07):
Oh, wait a minute.
Aye, she was credited properlyfor her other performances on
the album.
So I've got a few facts aboutLorraine Crosby.
She wasn't paid for the role onthis track as she originally
recorded the vocals as a guidefor Meat Loaf so on the album
note, she's credited as Mrs.
Loud she did release.
Music and an album under thattitle in later years as well
(11:31):
Cher, Melissa Etheridge andBonnie Tyler had all been
considered for the role.
Bonnie Tyler, who describedCrosby as a great friend of mine
from Newcastle, said"Meat Loafwas naughty, really.
He gave her no acknowledgementon the album.
But I think her part really madethat song".
From bits and pieces I've read.
(11:51):
She does still receive PRSroyalties for the thing,
Sam (11:54):
Probably.
A cheque made out to Mrs.
Loud arrives every six months.
Emma (11:59):
One final fact is that she appeared in the first round of
BBC second series.
of The Voice on the 6th of Aprilin 2013 and she failed to
progress when she was rejectedby all four of the coaches,
which I think is ridiculous
Sam (12:13):
That just proves that The Voice is horse piss.
Emma (12:17):
Yes, indeed..
This song reached number one in28 countries, which is pretty
epic.
Meat Loaf won his one and onlyGrammy for the song, taking the
trophy for best rock soloperformance.
The album version is 12 minutesand one second long.
The video version is sevenminutes, 48.
(12:37):
And there were loads of otherversions produced to fit
different markets around theworld and different airplay and
things.
And Jim Steinman was very bitterabout all of that.
Sam (12:47):
Oh, of course he was He wanted 12 minutes or nothing
Emma (12:50):
I'd do anything for love, but I won't do that.
Started out at 15 minutes long.
Sam (12:57):
Okay.
long.
Now I love this song.
I know you do as well.
Loads of people
Emma (13:02):
song.
Yeah, it's a good song.
Sam (13:03):
It's one of my favorite songs ever.
It's one of their unequivocallygood songs.
But it's a bit much as it is.
fifteen minutes.
Emma (13:12):
Fifteen minutes
Sam (13:13):
What other things are in that fifteen minute version that
he won't do for love?
That's what I would like toknow.
Emma (13:20):
maybe this is where the misogynistic edit is.
So I
Sam (13:23):
I
Emma (13:23):
do the washing up.
I won't help you around thehouse.
I won't help look after thekids.
Sam (13:29):
I won't consider your emotional needs.
Emma (13:32):
That's probably better than it hit the cutting room
floor.
So yeah, it was supposed to be15 minutes long and Alan Kovac
told Jim Steinman, you've got tocut nine minutes, Jim.
This is never going to getplayed on radio.
And Jim was apparentlyinconsolable about it, crying in
front of everybody.
It's my baby.
You're butchering my baby.
Sam (13:53):
That needs
Emma (13:53):
That came from Meat Loaf's autobiography.
And apparently, every timesomebody tries to get him to
shave even a few seconds off ofit, to make it more suitable for
radio, Jim Steinman just said,Yeah, but what about Bohemian
Rhapsody?
Which just made him sound like apetulant child, and also,
Bohemian Rhapsody was only fiveminutes and fifty five seconds
long.
Sam (14:13):
And the thing about Bohemian Rhapsody is that it's
12 songs crammed into one fiveminute song.
Emma (14:18):
This is definitely just one song.
I mean it's a classic Meat LoafSteinman effort in that there
are several acts to it.
Yes.
Which is a trope that we need toremember when we write our own
Sam (14:29):
It's a multi part narrative.
Yeah.
Emma (14:34):
This comes from Jim Steinman." I started off this
whole album with an image ofMeat Loaf on stage.
For some reason, I started offwith a live show imageI'd Do
Anything For Love(But I Won't DoThat) was the first song I wrote
for Bat 2.
And it was definitely a Beautyand the Beast kind of story,
which you can really see in thevideo, which we'll come on to
later on.
What he won't do is said aboutsix times in the song, very
(14:57):
specifically.
It's a little puzzle and I guessIt goes by, but they're all
great things." I won't stopdoing beautiful things and I
won't do bad things.
It's very noble.
I'm very proud of that songbecause it's very much out of
the world of Excalibur.
To me, it's like Sir Lancelot orsomething.
Very noble and chivalrous.
That's my favorite song on therecord.
(15:18):
It's very ambitious." Just JimSteinman being very modest
again.
Sam (15:22):
Yeah.
If there's one thing you can sayfor Jim Steinman, he doesn't
like to blow his own horn.
Emma (15:28):
Meat Loaf on the same topic said, when we were
recording it, Jim brings up thething.
He says,'people aren't going toknow what that is'.
I said,'of course they are, howcan they not know?' He goes,
'they're not gonna'." So that'sJim contradicting himself there,
a bit.
If
Sam (15:45):
only got that 15 minute version.
Emma (15:48):
Where he specifically lays out what that is
Sam (15:50):
and that, I mean to to say, is the washing up.
Emma (15:57):
Clearing up what that is, Meat Loaf himself explained,
It's the line before everychorus.
There's nine of them, I think.
The problem lies because Jimmylikes to write.
So you forget what the line isbefore you get to, I won't do
that.
Sam (16:13):
Do you know what?
It's rare I'll say this, butMeat Loaf has been very
insightful
Emma (16:16):
yes
Sam (16:17):
Because, what makes Jim Steinman's good stuff good is
his incredible Baroque language.
And you're taking it one line ata time of the sort of, Fucking
what?
Okay, brilliant.
And you do forget what you'vejust heard, because of the next
shovel full of
Emma (16:35):
Yeah.
your way.
Shovel full of nonsense.
Is a beautiful way of puttingit,
Sam (16:41):
The things Meat Loaf won't do include lying to you and
that's a fact
Emma (16:45):
Mm hmm.
Sam (16:45):
forgetting the way you feel right now.
Oh no, no way.
Forgiving myself if we don't goall the tonight.
Emma (16:54):
That's such a teenage boy thing.
Oh goodness.
Come on, we should go all theway, oh my god, we'll never
forgive ourselves if we don't goall the way tonight.
Sam (17:01):
not even we.
Emma (17:01):
I've heard that before.
I'll
Sam (17:03):
never forgive myself if you don't get my magical
Emma (17:07):
if Just touch it, please, just touch it.
Meat Loaf has said that wheneverhe performs songs, he takes on
different characters for thosesongs.
And on this one, according to a1993 Rolling Stone interview,
Meat Loaf took on the characterof a 15 year old boy, which
Sam (17:26):
Ew can
Emma (17:27):
I can see it, but yeah, ew.
Sam (17:29):
This is an album by 40 something men about the teenage
experience
Emma (17:32):
Yeah.
Sam (17:33):
My notes like the whole album, this song does have real
divorce dad energy.
I would do anything for love, soplease don't take the kids your
mum's.
That's the underlying pleathroughout the whole song.
I would, I'd do anything forlove, please don't leave me.
I'll never stop dreaming of youevery night of my life.
(17:56):
I'll never do it better than Ido it with you.
Emma (18:01):
Which is pretty horrible.
Sam (18:02):
I'll never bother to learn what makes another woman
satisfied in bed.
That's the line there.
Emma (18:09):
Is that noble?
Sam (18:10):
I don't want to start again.
I look bad in a leather jacketand a sports car.
Please don't do this to me,Sandra.
Emma (18:17):
I just can't be bothered to learn what another woman
likes.
Sam (18:20):
it took you a long time to train me.
No other woman will have thepatience that you do.
Emma (18:27):
This old dog can't learn new tricks.
Sam (18:30):
There's an image.
Emma (18:34):
Everyone's favorite piss drinking adventurer, Bear
Grylls, cites this song as hisinspiration to apply for
selection to the SAS.
He said,"enthusiasm anddetermination count for so much
more than skills, brains orqualifications", which is
genuinely worrying.
all this expressed itself to methrough Meat Loaf's song."
Sam (18:55):
Yeah, you're right, I want my SAS to be qualified, not just
really up for it.
Emma (19:01):
Yeah, Because you meet people who are really up for it,
and often they're lovely, butfuck me
Sam (19:06):
never watched it, but I've seen the trailers for Celebrity
SAS Training, whatever it'scalled.
The trailers in no way implythat the whole of SAS training
is corralling a bunch of guysand"Alright guys, who really
wants to be in the SAS?""Oh, me
Emma (19:20):
me, sir,
Sam (19:20):
me, me!" me!"Come on in, Grylls.
Emma (19:24):
What's your
Sam (19:24):
song, by the way?""I'd do anythi""Brilliant, yeah, mine is
Touch my Bum by the CheekyGirls." I would like to know
what inspired other famous exSpecial Forces people.
Like, What song inspired ChrisRyan to join the And why was it
Scatman Brackets Scabop dee babop by the Scatman?
(19:47):
John!
Emma (19:49):
Good yeah, I'm glad you managed to squeeze that in
Sam (19:51):
That's one we're doing this series Emma.
Emma (19:53):
Yep.
Thought it might be.
Good.
It is nice to have a break fromthe logical song.
So a couple of extra bits then.
Sam (20:00):
I've got a review of it actually.
The album sold really well.
It was very well receivedgenerally.
It did make both of them richmen But, they're not the fun
reviews, so I'm going to readyou this review of the album
from the Los Angeles Daily BatOut of Hell 2, Back Into Hell,
again by Steinman, is a dreadfuldescent into a listening hell
(20:22):
full of overblown, overlong,oversung, and plain awful lyrics
that read like passages from ateen's diary.
As a songwriter, Steinman hasnever found a cliche he couldn't
overuse.
You cannot argue with any ofthat.
Emma (20:37):
completely true.
it's all completely
Sam (20:38):
true but, it's fucking amazing.
Yes.
Emma (20:44):
that's what you want in a song.
Sam (20:45):
Thank you, LA Daily news.
How much does it annoy you thatthe song is called, I'd do
anything for love, but I won'tdo that?
Oh, massively, because, yeah ifyou listen back to the previous
episodes where I trailed this, Icalled it I Would Do anything
for love.
And
Emma (21:01):
it's not, it's, I'd do anything for love.
Sam (21:03):
I'm furious at Jim Steinman Why is he all about shortening
things in the title?
Emma (21:11):
Shortening it like that, using the I'd instead of I would
is almost taking the piss
Sam (21:16):
I'm honestly baffled that Fiona Apple still holds the
title of longest song title inthe world when Jim Steinman has
been around.
for so long.
Emma (21:23):
Laughter
Sam (21:23):
Oh no,
Emma (21:24):
that
Sam (21:24):
was an album.
Tits.
Emma (21:26):
Oh, we'll have to cut that.
Sam (21:27):
Sorry to all Apple heads out there.
Emma (21:32):
I've done a bit of a list of adverts that the songs
featured in.
Most recently it was in Marksand Spencer's Christmas
campaign.
It was for 2023.
Yeah.
It's also been in a recent Petsat home campaign.
Yeah.
Dr Pepper have used itMcDonald's have used it.
M& M's have used it.
A1 Sauce, which is a, anAmerican condiment.
(21:54):
they've used it.
ST1 Nordic Petrol Stations haveused it.
Sam (21:58):
Shout out to ST1 Nordic Petrol Stations.
Emma (22:01):
And Frankie and Benny's used it.
In an advert that I'm going toshow you now.
Sam (22:05):
okay.
Laptop (22:06):
It's time to see Yo, Mr.
Meat, I'm Hugo, your newmanager.
Where the hell's Taylor?
Loving the sounds.
Classic loaf.
So, Mr.
Meat.
No! Not Mr.
Meat.
Meat.
Sure.
Mr.
Meat, we've been thinking, Beefis out.
(22:28):
Beetroot is in.
Sausages are out.
Soy is in.
With that in mind, how about yougo vegan?
Vegloaf.
Ah, it's PR genius! No, it'snot.
I like your enthusiasm, and Iwas thinking you could do a
collab with Frankie and Benny's.
Who the hell's Frankie andJenny?
(22:48):
You could be the face of theirvegan menu.
I don't think so, man.
What about less guitar shreddingand more tearing and sharing of
the garlic pizza bread?
What the hell?
With vegan mozzarella.
What?
I sense you're not a fan ofgarlic bread, so how about the
Viva La Vegan burger with vegancheese fries?
(23:10):
Then the no cheese cheesecake.
You don't want to start, do you?
How about it?
Veg Loaf.
I'm not changing my name.
I thought you'd do anything forveg.
Yeah, but He won't do that.
Sam (23:40):
I'm baffled, Emma.
Emma (23:42):
So we've just watched the Frankie and Benny's ad..
I'm gonna put you're going toput the link and the time code?
I'm gonna put the link andtimecode in.
I'm also, Frankie and Bennies,you can fucking sue me.
If you want, over this.
I'm gonna put some of thataudio, a lot of that audio in,
because It's just awful, isn'tit?
So this I'm not sure what yearthat came out but looks like,
(24:04):
towards the end of Meat Loaf'scareer.
And it's a painfully awkwardadvert.
Sam (24:09):
the year was 2020.
got the press release here ifyou'd like.
go on.
Musician Meat Loaf is goingvegan for Veganuary and
partnered with United Kingdombased chain Frankie Benny's to
promote its vegan options.
The 72 year old singer who'sfamous for singing the lyrics, I
will do anything for love, but Iwon't do that.
No, he's not.
It's for singing the lyrics, Iwould do anything for love, but
(24:29):
I won't do was previouslyvegetarian for 11 years, but
recently returned to eating meatWhen Frankie and Benny's first
approached me to rebrand toVegloaf, I said, no way in hell,
I won't do that.
But I'd do anything for ourplanet, and dropping meat for
veg, even for just one day aweek, can make a huge
difference."'We wanted toencourage diners to swap meat
(24:50):
for veg this January, so whobetter to sign up than one of
the most recognized artists onthe planet?
Elisa Ashe, Director of Strategyand Brand for Frankie and
Benny's said.
Who is into Meat Loaf?
Divorced dads.
What's the number one restaurantfor divorced dads to take their
kids to at the weekend?
Frankie and benny's.
It's the perfect collab.
Emma (25:09):
I suppose so.
Yeah.
Oh, that's a depressing one.
Would you like a slightly moreupbeat advert?
(25:41):
singforyourbeef.
com
Sam (25:43):
singforyourbeef.com Emma, what was that
Emma (25:45):
So that was for A1 sauce which is an American condiment
that I've never tried before.
You said it was a bit
Sam (25:51):
Oh yeah, I've had it it's, a blander version of brown sauce
is how I'd advertise it.
That's not how I'd advertise it!
Emma (25:59):
the best I can come up with! Your job as an advertising
executive! The advert itselffeatures Meat Loaf in his
luxurious,
Sam (26:10):
Meat Loaf Manor
Emma (26:11):
Meat Loaf manor.
Yeah.
Yeah.
it is a
Sam (26:13):
McMansion!
Emma (26:14):
It is a McMansion.
Sam (26:15):
Meat Loaf hanging out by the pool in his McMansion.
He realises his meatloaf, thefoodstuff, is ready.
Emma (26:22):
When he goes to the oven to collect it, he is wearing
bunny slippers, which is myfavorite part of the whole ad.
Sam (26:26):
Yes.
He gets his meatloaf out of theoven, As an aside, can we agree
that meatloaf the food productlooks absolutely vile?
Emma (26:34):
It doesn't, that didn't look yummy.
Sam (26:36):
I think I might have had it once in a diner, but
Emma (26:39):
it, just looked like a slab of pressed meat.
It also looked reallyovercooked.
Sam (26:44):
Oh yeah,
Emma (26:45):
it looks burnt
Sam (26:45):
as fuck and that's why he got a six foot tall bottle of A1
sauce to then pour some on itand sing
Emma (26:51):
I would do anything for love and I always do this, as he
slathers the overcooked meatwith the brown sauce
Sam (26:58):
A1 makes your overcooked bland meat taste of something.
Emma (27:03):
Oh yeah.
Sam (27:05):
So there was a link on that to singforyourbeef.
com and that URL is dead.
But I did
Emma (27:10):
did
Sam (27:11):
have a quick search for singforyourbeef and it was
linked to some sort ofcompetition.
Emma (27:16):
Oh.
Sam (27:16):
So I've got a couple of videos that people's entries to
the singforyourbeef
Emma (27:20):
oh my God.
Contest.
Sam (27:22):
I'm just gonna Click on this one.
This is Rapping for my Beef byBig White Seth.
Emma (27:28):
Hi, Big White Seth.
Laptop (27:29):
My rhymes flow tight just like the bottle cap might
When your steak sauce shop andit's love at first sight Red and
white label, a brand youshouldn't miss Accept that
invite if you're able, feel somebarbecued bliss Breakfast,
lunch, and dinner, A1's known topersist First choice for my
meat, on this I must insistDismiss the thought of other
sauce for meat eating delightSecond to none in taste tests,
think I'll have some tonight,cause Nothing's better with meat
(27:52):
than A1
Sam (27:53):
That was Big White Seth wrapping for his beef.
Emma (27:58):
I wonder who won.
Sam (27:59):
I will try and find out more about this Sing For Your
Beef contest, and if I findanything good, we'll put it on
our our socials and possiblycome back to
Emma (28:05):
it this going to be another one of the Wilkinson
mysteries?
Sam (28:08):
Yeah, I
Emma (28:11):
you like another advert,
Sam (28:12):
I'd love another advert Emma
Emma (28:14):
so there is one more advert on this, magical reel
that I found.
It's not related to, I'd doanything for love, but it's too
good to pass up.
And it's related to a song wehave already covered.
Sam (28:25):
have
Laptop (28:25):
Shh, Shh Hey dad, I want a GoPhone Let me sleep on it It
has unlimited talk and text Letme sleep on it And no surprise
bill I can't take it any longerSon, I'm crazed you ask about
the GoPhone every night and dayAs long as there's no surprise
bills to pay We're gonna go andget you a GoPhone today Cause
(28:46):
I'll love you till the end oftime I swear I'll love you I'll
be till the end of time.
So we'll go and get you aGoPhone tonight.
And we'll see paradise by theGoPhone light.
Yeah! Never felt so good, neverfelt so right, we'll go get our
(29:06):
son a GoPhone tonight.
Sam (29:25):
I don't know about you, but I could do with a
Emma (29:30):
I would very much like a GoPhone that's incredible, it's
the best advert by far.
Yeah?
Sam (29:34):
Thanks.
What the heck is a GoPhone?
So that was weird.
Emma (29:41):
That was a parody of Paradise by the Dashboard Light,
wasn't it?
Sam (29:43):
Yes, of course The song about teenage horniness
Emma (29:47):
eah.
Sam (29:48):
transmuted into a lovely song about a son and dad who
love each other very much andthe dad buys his son the phone
that he
Emma (29:56):
wants.
Yeah.
Sam (29:58):
That's nice.
is.
It's very wholesome.
Yeah.
That's the problem though, isn'tit?
Because if you hear that tune,you are thinking about two teens
boning in a car.
Yep.
You are not thinking about dadand
Emma (30:10):
teenage son.
Sam (30:11):
son.
You should these.
Listeners, yeah, they're in theshow notes.
I'll put the links in and stuff.
Do check those adverts outbecause they are bizarre.
Weird windows into a world
Emma (30:24):
Into a world of questionable advertising
decisions.
Sam (30:27):
The Frankie and Benny's one was early 2020 and they rapidly
had other things to worry aboutin marketing terms But I don't
think that would have shiftedthe needle very
Emma (30:37):
much on their
Sam (30:38):
vegan food sales
Emma (30:40):
Oh shit Meat Loaf's gone vegan.
I'm gonna go vegan.
Said no one.
Sam (30:45):
GoPhones.
If I had a son, I'd buy him agoPhone.
Emma (30:49):
Yeah.
Sam (30:50):
And the advert for A1 Sauce just made me sad about American
food And I know some Americansthink that our food is bad and
they are fucking idiots.
shall we talk about the videothen,
Emma (31:04):
We should talk about the video because, ooh, what a
Sam (31:06):
What a video.
Meat Loaf Memories
Emma (31:10):
Memories.
So my mum was a Meat Loaf fan,like from the seventies.
She had the albums has thealbums.
But I hadn't been introduced toMr Loaf formally by the time
this came out.
Sam (31:24):
At a dance.
At a dance at Lord Barthingdon'splace.
Oh Miss Crosland, you simplymust meet Mr Loaf.
He'd be absolutely charmed.
Sorry.
Sorry.
So I first heard it at the sametime.
And I liked it.
(31:44):
It was like my first propermusic got into.
So I must've been about nine.
I think I was nine at the timewhen this came out.
And my parents noticed that Iliked it.
And mum got the album forChristmas that year and we
listened to it loads.
And then when the tour.
came out she took me to see him.
by that point I was 10, and soMeat Loaf was my first concert,
(32:05):
and it was big and scary, andthere was an inflatable bat.
that was my introduction to livemusic.
That's a hell of anintroduction.
Emma (32:14):
Yeah, going to see smaller bands after that.
Sam (32:18):
Where's your bat?
Where's your massive bat?
Emma (32:23):
What's going on?
Where's your numerous guitarsand somebody to bring you a
fresh one when you're bored ofthis one?
Sam (32:31):
So let's talk the video
Emma (32:32):
then.
Yes.
Sam (32:34):
by Michael Bay mad, You say it's mad but mad,
Emma (32:41):
so.
Sam (32:41):
yeah, the minute you hear that, you think, Oh yes, of
course, that makes perfectsense.
Because it has too manyhelicopters and police cars and
explosions.
The video tells a sort of Beautyand the Beast type fable right?
Meat Loaf plays a hideous beastmonster who's being chased by
the cops early on, on amotorbike, and then he goes and
hides in a mausoleum.
(33:03):
And accidentally runs over somecops on his motorbike while
escaping.
And then he spies on a prettylady having a bath in a river.
Emma (33:11):
It's a bit of a Herbal Essences moment isn't it
Sam (33:13):
loaf's bit of the video is tinged blue and horrible and an
evil forest.
And then she's bathing
Emma (33:19):
in sunlight
Sam (33:21):
sunlight, with singing birds around her.
Flicking her hair around Yeah.
And despite that being a creepyand illegal activity, the lady
is actually quite into beingspied on.
Because she is aware.
Emma (33:34):
We don't kink shame on this podcast.
But.
But, Yes, always check.
Please don't spy on the prettyladies.
Sam (33:44):
If there's one thing you should take away from this
podcast, it's don't spy on anyladies in the
Emma (33:50):
bath, Yep.
Sam (33:52):
otherwise.
So my notes say this, he spendsfive minutes in his magical
house spying on a hot girl withmagic, knowing that he's too
uggo to talk to her.
he creeps on her as she has abath.
Now that's a second bath, wehave to say.
For some reason, she has a bathin the river, follows him to his
house, and then immediately hasanother bath.
Emma (34:12):
Yeah, but I'll leap to her defence on this, because I like
a bath.
I can happily sit in a bath forup to three hours while reading
or staring into space.
I love a good bath.
And there have been some timesin the depths of winter when
I've had a lovely bath, and thenI've reached the end of the day
and thought, I could really dowith a bath.
So I can relate to it.
(34:34):
I have to say, I have never hada two bath day, but I've come
very close.
Sam (34:38):
Do Do you know what, Emma?
Let's practice self care.
Have a two bath day this week.
Listeners!
Emma (34:45):
it's, no, it's the wrong time of year for a two bath day.
In the winter, I will have a twobath day,
Sam (34:50):
Okay, so when
Emma (34:51):
That's weird, isn't it?
Sam (34:52):
Yeah!
Emma (34:54):
I'll be taking, hey, Sam, off in
Sam (34:57):
Bath two! It's going alright.
Don't know if he's spying on meyet, I'll let you know.
Well, this fervent bath addicthas one bath in the river, goes
for a walk, finds a house,thinks to herself, you know know
what, bath time.
Second bath and then she justfinds a bed and goes to sleep in
(35:20):
it, Goldilocks style, at whichpoint she's suddenly seduced by
three hot ladies in a scene thatreferences The Brides of
dracula.
question here.
This is Meat Loaf's magicalcastle?
why doesn't Meat Loaf just bonethose hot ladies?
Why does he have to lure afourth hot lady into his
Emma (35:38):
Because she's the one that he'd do anything for.
Sam (35:41):
Oh Oh.
Emma (35:42):
And he wouldn't do that, and that in this case refers to
the other women.
Sam (35:46):
Bit of a shame for them, innit?
Emma (35:48):
Is it?
Sam (35:51):
They are clearly sex starved.
Emma (35:53):
Is this like the Rocky Horror Picture Show?
Are these sex people?
Sam (35:56):
This is a house full of sex people.
you're right.
Emma (35:58):
sex people.
Sam (35:59):
Oh my god, Meat Loaf is Frank N.
Furter.
It's come full circle.
He's spying on people, there'squestionable consent issues,
there's a weird transformativemagic.
He's not
Emma (36:14):
made a monster yet though, or a man.
Sam (36:17):
He is the man and the monster.
deeper than
Emma (36:20):
Horror.
This is getting deep.
Yeah,
Sam (36:21):
man.
Deeper than
Emma (36:22):
Rocky Horror.
Sam (36:23):
There's a
Emma (36:26):
There's a quote for the poster.
Sam (36:28):
Michael Bay.
Deeper than Rocky Horror.
Meat Loaf spies on her, boningthe hot babes, and then my note
says, Fuck! The cops have sent atough detective guy.
He's got round wire framedglasses, so you know he's going
to be ruthlessly efficient.
Cutes.
He looks like a discount versionof Assistant Director Skinner
from The X Files.
(36:49):
I looked up the guy who playsthe detective.
He's been a nothing of any note.
Upsetting, really.
There we go.
The cops break into Meat Loaf'scastle and instantly all the
magic gets dismissed.
The lady finds Meat Loaf anddoesn't mind that he's a hideous
beast.
Her love transforms him into,well, not a hottie, normal
normal Meat Loaf.
(37:10):
Which actually is better sothat, I think we've talked about
this before as well, the DisneyBeauty and the Beast cartoon.
Beast, much hotter than The
Emma (37:20):
The Prince, yeah.
at the end.
And I'm glad that this is ageneral consensus and not just a
me thing.
'cause I've always thought thatright from when I first saw the
Disney's Beauty and the Beast,that I would much rather hang
out with Beast than the Princethat he eventually became.
But then, I'm quite fond of thefox version of Robin Hood that
Disney created, I
Sam (37:39):
Sexy Fox, robin Hood.
Yeah, and if you step outsideDisney, you've got the Dogtanian
cartoon, which had a sexy catspy called Milady..
Emma (37:49):
hee hee hee hee hee that one of your awakenings?
Sam (37:52):
that's one for the 40 something men.
Ha Ha Oh, it's a weird worldthat we inhabit isn't it?
just?
Meet Lo from The Girl, vanish,and ride off on a bike.
Brum brum.
So that's a quick summary of theplot of the film.
Do you want to talk aboutacting?
Emma (38:08):
If it can be called that.
Sam (38:09):
Jim Steinman described Meat Loaf generally.
as"a gargoyle beast withelements of Jackie Gleason and
Homer Simpson." Because, and Iwant to make this absolutely
clear, Jim Steinman was an awfulprick to his best friend.
I need to find out how to put itinto the podcast at some point
(38:30):
in this
Emma (38:30):
series.
Sam (38:31):
Jim Steinman tells a very funny anecdote about something
really awful that happens toMeat
Emma (38:37):
Loaf.
Oh god.
Sam (38:38):
And it's, I want to share it with so many caveats about
what an awful person he is toshare
Emma (38:45):
this, Yeah.
So funny.
Sam (38:47):
But
Emma (38:49):
Oh, we need to find a way of shoehorning
Sam (38:50):
Next time we discuss the breakdown in their relationship,
I think it goes in there.
Meat Loaf described himself asThe Robert De Niro of rock in a
1993 interview with RollingStone
Emma (39:00):
stone.
Robert
Sam (39:02):
Robert De Niro of rock?
No,
Emma (39:08):
No.
Sam (39:10):
Jim Belushi of rock?
Emma (39:13):
Maybe.
Sam (39:14):
Dan Aykroyd of rock.
Emma (39:15):
Dan aykroyd of rock.
Sam (39:17):
Flowers, isn't it?
Emma (39:18):
this happens, isn't it?
Aykroyd
Sam (39:22):
is actually probably quite silly, over the top, only a
couple of successful hits.
Utterly fucking batshit crazy inlater life.
yeah, there's Dan Aykroyd ofrock,
Emma (39:31):
of
Sam (39:31):
was Meat Loaf.
Emma, would you like a quiz?
Yes! This quiz is about thecinematographer on this film,
who is a man called DanielPearl.
Emma (39:40):
He's
Sam (39:40):
most famous for being a cinematographer on Texas
Chainsaw Massacre, the originalone.
And he's also famous formassacring the English
languageAs I will you now.
But which of these is not agenuine quote from Daniel Pearl?
Is it A, The video for I'd DoAnything for Love is one of my
personal all time favouriteprojects.
(40:02):
I think the cinematography ispure and it tells a story about
the song.
Emma (40:06):
Okay.
Sam (40:07):
That's it, that's all he's got to say about his all time
favourite project.
Is it B?
I grew up listening to music andwhen I heard a song often
enough, I could sing the wordsalong with the melody.
During the 1980s and 90s, youngpeople mainly watched the music
in addition to hearing it.
I wonder, do they now visualiseimages when they hear music?
(40:29):
Or was it C?
I think this track will go on tobe an evergreen because it's so
catchy and original.
A real wordsmith
Emma (40:37):
Yeah.
Which one of these
Sam (40:38):
did he not say?
Emma (40:41):
I've no idea, they're all incredibly bland
Sam (40:44):
Yes!
Emma (40:45):
Yeah,
Sam (40:45):
I read a whole interview with him and by god he's not an
interesting man to talk to.
Emma (40:49):
let's pick one at random, let's pick B.
Sam (40:51):
B.
I grew up listening to music andwhen I heard a song often
enough, I could sing the wordsalong.
Yes.
He did say that.
He did
Emma (40:58):
say that.
Sam (40:58):
Didn't say.
I think this track, will go onto be an evergreen because it's
so catchy and that?
was a man called Tony Catania,
Emma (41:06):
Okay.
Sam (41:07):
who was the producer of Scatman, brackets, skibabop
badop bop, scatman talking aboutthe song's future prospects.
Emma (41:14):
Ugh!
Sam (41:17):
And do you think that song did go on to be an evergreen,
Emma?
Emma (41:20):
I think possibly in your world it did.
Sam (41:24):
Ba Ba bada bum.
We talked about Michael Bay wasthe director on this film.
It was originally slated to beDavid Fincher, who went on to
direct Meat Loaf in Fight Club.
He left because they wouldn'tapprove his budget of 1.
7 million.
Emma (41:38):
uh,
Sam (41:39):
Michael Bay took it over for 750, 000, Which, to put in
context, an unnamed record labelexec claimed that this had the
budget of four weddings and afuneral
Emma (41:50):
Wow.
Sam (41:51):
so you can have seven minutes of Meat Loaf driving up
and down on a motorbike or 90minutes of Hugh Grant going blah
blah blah And being cruel FourWeddings is quite a good film.
It's before richard Curtisdisappears up his own arsehole
Michael Bay is also responsiblefor visuals connected to the
likes of Tina Turner, LionelRichie, and even the Divinyls'
(42:14):
signature smash I Touch Myselfbecause of course he did, the
horny little beast.
As always, I have gone ontoYouTube to find some comments.
We'll start with UndisclosedFemale.
Am I weird for finding him sogorgeous in that makeup?
Emma (42:30):
Yes, you are.
Moving on.
that's,
Sam (42:32):
Undisclosed female.
I thought we were kink positive.
Emma (42:37):
each to their own.
Beauty is in the eye of thebeholder, but
Sam (42:40):
Beast is in the eye of the beholder.
Emma (42:42):
hey.
Hey, hey.
hey.
Sam (42:44):
just high fived myself, listeners.
Emma (42:46):
I don't want to like it, but I do.
Sam (42:47):
Just like Undisclosed female.
Ha ha ha Father Timex.
I don't know if that's FatherTimex, he looks
Emma (42:58):
Yeah.
Sam (42:58):
or Father Time and then a little
Emma (43:00):
Aww.
Time.
Sam (43:02):
Aw.
this video has everything youcould want.
You got your monster man, yougot a cop who kills himself, you
have a hot girl who then hasghost lesbian sex, a hard boiled
detective out to get the copkiller.
It's all great until the end,and then they just teleport out,
and he's normal.
Emma (43:20):
I do like the listing there.
You got this, you got that.
I
Sam (43:23):
don't know why I wasted 10 minutes describing what was in
the
Emma (43:26):
video, That does it
Sam (43:27):
just gone to file the Timex, yeah.
And then here's a bit of a chatthread that, I'll read out the
thread to you.
It starts with at d e c 0 d e m3.
And I know what you want me tosay there, but I'm not saying
it.
Use letters.
When I was a baby, this song wasthe only thing that would put me
right to sleep.
(43:47):
So obviously my mom went out andbought the cassette.
Now, 27 years later, I'm stilllistening to this song.
R.
I.
P.
It's nice, isn't it?
It's lovely.
And then somebody calledAlexLi77 replies.
They said, Oh, come on! Therewere CDs in 1993!
Emma (44:05):
I had a CD player back then!
Sam (44:10):
To which dEC0DEM3 says, alright, cool.
Good on ya.
And then other people startchipping in, telling AlexLi77 to
fuck off.
SaltyBow776 says, I still listento tapes.
P.
S.
No need to be an a hole.
(44:30):
Plenty of people were usingtapes in the 90s.
I remember seeing them in storesstill in 2004 to 2008.
Emma (44:36):
In fairness, in certain hipster stores.
Urban Outfitters, I'm looking atyou.
can still buy cassettes now
Sam (44:42):
LD7 just says, be respectful.
Emma (44:44):
Oh, the voice of reason.
Sam (44:46):
AlexLi77 comes back to say, To those people who think this
comment is rude, it was notmeant that way.
But the fact that people took itthere really shows that we have
some super sensitive peoplethese days.
That's a you problem and I can'tfix that.
Emma (44:59):
Oh, the internet.
Sam (45:02):
Yeah! And then there's one more somebody called Stacey with
two y's, StaceyE100, justreplies with a sort of frowny
And AlexLi77 says, What doesthis even mean?
I crossed over and wouldn'tremember.
Honey, I was in my mid teens in1993.
I can assure you I had a CDplayer back then.
(45:24):
What is happening?
The
Emma (45:26):
internet is awful.
We're making the mistake ofreading below.
want
Sam (45:32):
to know what happened in Li Alex Li 77 Oh no, this is going
to another Sam Wilkinson
Emma (45:38):
Mystery Bowl.
A very specific mystery.
Sam (45:43):
What the fuck is wrong
Emma (45:44):
with that?
What's wrong?
Sam (45:48):
So if you know what the fuck is wrong with Alex077,
Emma (45:49):
with that, do
Sam (45:50):
email email us in, chatoutofhellatgmail.
com
Emma (45:53):
Make sure you put in the subject heading, The Wilkinson
Mysteries.
Sam (45:56):
As always Emma, we have to rate this song on our patented
Meat Loaf and Jim Steinman songrating scales.
this song was written by JimSteinman, so we used the Jim
Steinman scale, which runs fromJim Steinman at the top, to Jim
Fineman in the middle, all theway down to Jim Declineman.
Emma (46:14):
That's right.
Sam (46:15):
What's this song for you?
Emma (46:16):
It's obviously a massive Jim Steinman.
Sam (46:20):
Obviously a massive Jim steinman steinman,
Emma (46:24):
Oh, that echo effect you've got is really good.
Sam (46:27):
you.
Thank So that was Chat Out ofHell, we're back.
If you have enjoyed thispodcast, do let us know, just
like Tom did earlier,chatoutofhellatgmail.
com.
Let us know what you thoughtabout the song.
Did we miss something obvious?
Do you hate it?
I imagine most people don't,otherwise you wouldn't have made
it this far, but please do letme know, chatoutofhellatgmail.
(46:48):
com, or give us your opinions onour songs for next time.
Emma, what are you bringing tonext time?
Emma (46:52):
time?
Next time I'm bringing one of myall time favourites and a really
daft song.
it's going to be Out of theFrying Pan and Into the Fire.
Ooh, and that also appears onthe Bat Out of Hell 2 album.
Yes.
Sam (47:04):
Okay, that was me having a conversation, but you just
looked at me as if to say It'squite alright.
And I am bringing a challengefor you next time because I am
bringing something that JimSteinman wrote for somebody else
in the mid eighties.
I'm bringing Hulk Hogan's Theme.
God.
Yeah, so you can definitely findthat on YouTube.
(47:26):
I'm not sure if it's on anythingelse.
But yeah, if you just look upHulk Hogan's theme, you'll find
the wrestling album colon WWFall stars Hulk Hogan's theme.
Listeners, give those a listenif you want, or wait until next
time, up to you.
As always, keep your generalMeat Loaf thoughts and anecdotes
flying in.
Did you catch Meat Loaf beingconfused by an Ai Weiwei exhibit
(47:46):
at the Tate Modern?
Write
Emma (47:48):
and let us know, Chat out of hell at gmail.
com.
Sorry, that was really Yeah, Ido like that one?
You know what, we'll do that one
Sam (47:55):
this time.
Okay, cool.
Emma (47:59):
Emma, Sam!
Sam (48:01):
should we plug some other shit that we do?
Emma (48:02):
do?
We probably should.
Sam (48:03):
Yeah we are performing at the Nottingham Comedy festival.
exciting.
It is very exciting.
Emma (48:09):
you looking up the date?
Yes, I am.
Yeah, when we're not doing this,we do other things.
Sam (48:15):
We perform under the moniker of Crossland and
Wilkinson, we have a show calledMean Business coming to the
Nottingham Comedy Festival onthe 10th of November, 6.
30pm at the Navigation Inn.
Emma, why don't you tell ourlisteners about our show?
Emma (48:28):
It's been described as a capitalist fever dream, hasn't
it?
It has.
We would like to welcome you toCrossland and Wilkinson, which
is the funniest mega corporationon the footsie 100.
and, Our agenda for this meetingin Nottingham will include
hypnosis, secret codes, puppets,monkeys, murder, you know, all
(48:48):
the usual things that you'd needcovering on your first day in a
new job.
There is a possibility ofmoustaches.
It's a one hour comedy showtaking the form of an induction
session at a huge and Definitelynot evil and weird mega
corporation.
And it is fantastic.
Even if I do say so myself.
Sam (49:07):
Yes you do.
And so do i!
Emma (49:10):
Is
Sam (49:10):
very good fun.
Audiences have enjoyed it aswe've been running it out and
testing it so far, So if youwanted to come see us in
Nottingham, that would be
Emma (49:17):
We'd love to see you
Sam (49:18):
you also run a fantastic monthly comedy night in Leeds.
Emma (49:21):
I do! Here in Leeds, I run Big Duck Energy on the third
Wednesday of every month at theBridge End Social.
You can find us on the Facebooksif you look for Big Duck Energy
Comedy, and we are a female andnon binary specific comedy
night.
Everyone is welcome in ouraudience.
We have incredible lineups.
(49:42):
We have a tat raffle, which isbecoming famous.
Now we raise money for charity.
We do loads of lovely things,but most important, we are
fucking hilarious.
Sam (49:51):
Oh, it is a really good night.
I've enjoyed it every time I'vegone.
And you can tell it's a goodnight because even though I'm
not eligible to be booked, I'm
Emma (49:59):
saying it's good.
And that comes from one of themen.
I am One
Sam (50:04):
I am One of the men
Emma (50:06):
the mens.
of! us.
So yeah, come to it.
It's amazing.
We have so much fun.
And it's a really warm,friendly, welcoming night.
Sam (50:16):
night.
Marvellous! Any other business?
Emma (50:18):
I don't think so.
Oh, you
Sam (50:19):
cool! Alright thank you all very much for listening to
Series 2 of Chat Out of
Emma (50:23):
Hell.
Sam (50:23):
And we'll see you all again in two weeks time.
Bye!
Emma, what is this?
Emma (00:01):
This is Chat Out of Hell, the only fortnightly podcast
dedicated to Meat Loaf and JimSteinman.
Sam (00:07):
Who is Meat Loaf?
Emma (00:09):
Meat Loaf is a singer, actor, performer and star of the
1997 film Spiceworld.
Who's Jim Steinman?
Sam (00:17):
The self proclaimed Lord of Excess, who once wore the same
pair of contact lenses for 17years Uh Also, they both made
music, who are we?
Emma (00:28):
I'm Emma Crossland and you're Sam Wilkinson.
We are, I don't know, comediansor something?
Writers?
Tossers?
Sam (00:35):
Yeah, that all sounds about right!
Emma (00:37):
Welcome to Chat out of Hell
Sam (00:38):
Bow now, now, now!
Emma (00:41):
We're back?
Sam (00:42):
What was it like not thinking about Meat Loaf for six
weeks?
Emma (00:45):
Calm.
Sam (00:46):
Yeah,
Emma (00:47):
I did have a Meat Loaf incident while I was out and
about cause although I've beentrying to exist on a diet of non
Meat Loaf music it did creep inon my shuffle playlist while I
was driving home from a gig.
I was driving home from a gig inWakefield and it was a Friday
night.
And, Bad For Good came onshuffle on my phone.
And, As it was kicking off andgetting to the good bits a bloke
(01:11):
on a motorbike rode past me andin his hand was a can of special
brew.
And that's the most rock androll thing that's happened to me
in a long time.
Sam (01:20):
Oh, that man was bad
Emma (01:22):
Oh, for good.
Sam (01:23):
And so was his choice of lager.
Emma (01:27):
Yeah.
I've never drunk special brewbefore, but somebody told me
that it was like drinking twocans of lager at the same time..
Sam (01:34):
Ha! I don't remember if we've talked about this on
podcast or not before, butSpecial Brew was invented for
Winston Churchill.
Emma (01:43):
It is an efficient way of getting
Sam (01:45):
getting drunk.
Yeah, and if there's one thingWinston Churchill liked, it's
getting drunk and droppingapocryphal bons mot.
that story of the woman saying,Mr.
Churchill, I believe you aredrunk.
And him saying, ah, madam, youare ugly, but in the morning I
will be sober.
It really takes on a differenttone when you consider that he's
(02:05):
holding a a can of special brew.
Lovely
Emma (02:08):
special.
That lovely golden can
Sam (02:12):
Today's podcast is brought to you by.
Emma (02:15):
Special brew if the people at Carlsberg are listening we'd
love a case
Sam (02:19):
Yes, please do.
I've never drunk special brew.
I think we need to.
Yeah, and a whole case will killus.
Either if you work for Carlsbergor you just to end the podcast?
do send us a case of specialbrew.
Emma (02:34):
Some might say it's the kindest thing.
Ha ha
Sam (02:37):
we've had some messages while we've been away.
We've had quite a few, actually.
Would you like to listen to theone you know about, the one you
kind of know about, or the brandnew one?
Emma (02:46):
Ooh, I'd like to listen to the brand new
Sam (02:48):
This is just a bit of a comment on Film Club.
This is from Eddy
Emma (02:53):
Huh.
Hi, Eddy.
Sam (02:54):
Longtime listener, regular messenger.
He appreciated my comparisonbetween Streets of Fire and that
episode of Star Trek Deep SpaceNine, 9.
Emma (03:03):
Nerds
Sam (03:03):
to the extent that he now wants to watch Streets of Fire.
So based on that one piece offeedback, our film club was a
complete failure.
That wasn't what we were doingthis for We watch these films so
you don't have have to! If itcomes on film four on a Saturday
(03:24):
afternoon.
Yeah.
That's the only time I wouldwarrant watching
Emma (03:30):
And you've done literally everything else there is to do.
Sam (03:33):
We've had some names in for our cheeky bat mascot.
I have mentioned these to youbefore but I'll run them by you
on the pod.
See which you like.
We put out a competition at thevery start, of series one.
For somebody to come up with aname for the cheeky purple bat
that adorns our podcast art thatEmma we've got two names that
have come in.
(03:53):
Marvelous.
We could either have That the
Emma (03:56):
bat.
That the bat.
Sam (03:58):
Or, Batloaf, the bat.
So I'll put it over to you Emma.
this is a competition with aprize.
There will be a badge wingingits way to
Emma (04:07):
I see what you did there with the bat and the winging.
Sam (04:09):
I really didn't intend to.
Emma (04:11):
I like That the bat.
Sam (04:12):
That the bat.
Congratulations to Tom Furnivalfrom Cambridge who sent that
suggestion.
And commiserations to
Emma (04:20):
Tom Furnival from Cambridge,
Sam (04:23):
who suggested Batloaf.
Emma (04:25):
Sometimes it feels like we're podcasting into the void.
Sam (04:29):
No, Tom's listening.
Emma (04:31):
From the void.
Yeah.
Sam (04:33):
One more then.
We have an email that has comein while we're on our summer
break.
This is a message that came fromTom, I think Wuffenden, maybe
Wuffenden, sorry.
Emma (04:45):
Tom, write in and let us know.
Sam (04:47):
Yeah, why
Emma (04:47):
We're the only people that listen to our podcast called
Tom.
Sam (04:50):
listen to our podcast called Tom.
We are a Tom heavy podcast,yeah.
Yeah, we have more listenerscalled Tom than, I, I imagine,
women listeners.
It's
Emma (05:00):
It's just me and my mum.
Sam (05:02):
count as a
Emma (05:03):
I know.
On the stats I
Sam (05:05):
your mum doesn't listen.
It's she just says
Emma (05:08):
fessed up.
She said, oh, I keep meaning to.
Yeah, OK.
Sam (05:12):
yeah, keep meaning to isn't clicks.
Anyway, Tom says, Tom says, Hifolks! I properly discovered
Meat Loaf last year when I sawthe Bat Out of Hell musical.
I then started looking into JimSteinman.
And may I say, we're both veryexcited to go see the Bat Out of
Hell musical next
Emma (05:29):
yes.
Sam (05:32):
Tom continues, The guy is a legend, an incredible body of
songs, but I must say, thoughthe podcast is a Meat Loaf
jukebox.
And thank you for telling uswhat kind of podcast we have,
Tom, because I do struggle tosort of explain the point of
this
Emma (05:46):
and I think
Sam (05:48):
And I think that's what, we're a jukebox podcast.
point
Emma (05:50):
Yeah, we're a Meat Loaf jukebox podcast.
That still doesn't explain thepoint of it, but at least it's
some words to use.
Sam (05:58):
I'd love you to include songs from Steinman's only
record, Bad For Good, the albummade for Meat Loaf but he was so
drugged and fucked up by then hecouldn't sing.
So Steinman, who can't singanyway, stepped in to do an
album, and he was so bad hedrafted in Rory Dodd to sing a
few songs on the record, bestknown for being the guy in Total
Eclipse of the Heart who singsturn around bright eyes.
Emma (06:21):
rendition there, Sam.
Sam (06:22):
you.
way out of my register.
Emma (06:26):
Register!
Sam (06:27):
Turn around, bright eyes.
Me and Tom Waits, we're likethat.
Emma (06:32):
There's
Sam (06:33):
and Tom Waits were like that.
Emma (06:34):
a
Sam (06:35):
There's a YouTube video of Steinman singing the track
Rock'n'Roll Dreams Come Throughon some German TV show, but he's
miming and Rory Dodd is the onesinging.
It's hilarious.
Though I will say, that is agreat song.
Agreed.
Emma (06:47):
Absolutely.
Sam (06:48):
People who don't know that song, I think you'll hear it at
some point on this series.
It's
Emma (06:51):
likely.
Sam (06:53):
Dance In My Pants would be a great one for you guys to
cover.
It's mental.
Agreed on both points, that onewill be coming up very
Emma (07:00):
soon.
Sam (07:01):
Ah ha.
Also, Steinman wrote the lyricsto the musical Whistle Down the
Wind, with music by none otherthan Andrew Lloyd Webber.
How on earth did that happen?
What a bizarre combo.
Steinman was previously asked byALW Are
Emma (07:14):
we on board with No.
Sam (07:16):
It
Emma (07:17):
It takes It's harder to say than Andrew Lloyd Webber.
It's
Sam (07:20):
like w w w for World Wide Web.
Do lyrics for Phantom of theOpera.
Which makes way more sense.
But he was too busy with BonnieTyler doing Faster than the
Speed of Sound.
Though Steinman said what astupid idea it obviously was to
have turned down Phantom.
Okay, I agree, Steinman shouldhave done Phantom, because,
Emma (07:38):
It would have been amazing.
Sam (07:39):
Jim Steinman is the phantom of the Opera.
in all possible ways.
We are going to talk about thelife he lived, outside of work,
I think, on this series.
But also, uh, Faster than thespeed of sound's a really good
record, actually.
And I am going to bring somesongs off that.
Thanks, guys.
I'm so glad this podcast exists.
I know! All the best, Tom.
(08:00):
And I would just like toreiterate that Tom is a real
person
Emma (08:02):
exists.
It's not just you writing to
Sam (08:04):
It's not just me! A real person that neither of us have
met is glad this podcast existsShall we have a little bit of a
recap before we go into
Emma (08:11):
I think we probably should.
The idea was that we wouldanalyse in, as I've said many
times before, punishing detailthe songs of Meat Loaf and Jim
Steinman, with a view toeventually, at a point TBC
writing our own Meat Loaf esqueepic.
(08:31):
And so this is basically a studyin preparation for that.
A study.
I know.
Yeah.
Sam (08:37):
a jukebox and a
Emma (08:39):
It's a jukebox and it's a study, which I think makes it an
academic body of work.
Sam (08:43):
Holy shit, we're professors.
Emma (08:44):
I think this is our PhD.
I'm definitely putting a lotmore work into this than I ever
did my actual degree.
Sam (08:51):
Oh shit, me too yeah, yeah.
2 2 in philosophy, if anybody's
Emma (08:55):
Ah, 2 1 in television production, which has served me
very well indeed.
Sam (08:59):
Normally on this podcast, Emma, we both bring a Meat Loaf
or Jim Steinman written slashperformed slash something song
for us to kick about togetherand talk about and then rate on
our patented scales.
This episode, we're openingseries two with their best
biggest song in sales terms incultural impact terms and in
(09:22):
literal size So we've decided tojust do this one song between us
and that song is I'd Do AnythingFor Love,(But I Won't Do That)
so listeners, go away, find I'dDo Anything For Love But I Won't
Do That on YouTube, Spotify,wherever you get your music.
Mine comes off CD.
Emma (09:39):
Aww.
Sam (09:43):
you! You could try the video, the music video is
fantastic.
Many of you will have seen it,but it's only the seven minute
edit, whereas the full versionof the song is 12 minutes long,
so We won't judge you if youdon't want to listen to all of
that.
Go away, listen to it.
We're gonna play a clip of itnow and we'll see you after
this.
Music (10:00):
as the wheels are turning As long as the fires are burning
As long as your prayers arecoming true You'd better believe
it That I would do anything forlove And you know it's true and
that's a fact I would doanything for love, and there'll
(10:25):
never be no turning back.
Sam (10:31):
That was nice, wasn't it?
It Yeah, we didn't make youlisten to some shite this time.
Emma (10:36):
It's a true classic.
Sam (10:38):
Emma, tell us about this.
Emma (10:39):
I'd do anything for love, but I won't do that, was
released on August the 31st,1993.
It's from Bat Out of Hell 2,Back Into Hell.
The singers on that song were,of course, Meat Loaf, but also
Lorraine Crosby sang the part ofthe woman and was credited on
the album as Mrs.
Loud, rather than, an actualproper credit.
Sam (11:02):
British.
Oh,
Emma (11:07):
Oh, wait a minute.
Aye, she was credited properlyfor her other performances on
the album.
So I've got a few facts aboutLorraine Crosby.
She wasn't paid for the role onthis track as she originally
recorded the vocals as a guidefor Meat Loaf so on the album
note, she's credited as Mrs.
Loud she did release.
Music and an album under thattitle in later years as well
(11:31):
Cher, Melissa Etheridge andBonnie Tyler had all been
considered for the role.
Bonnie Tyler, who describedCrosby as a great friend of mine
from Newcastle, said"Meat Loafwas naughty, really.
He gave her no acknowledgementon the album.
But I think her part really madethat song".
From bits and pieces I've read.
(11:51):
She does still receive PRSroyalties for the thing,
Sam (11:54):
Probably.
A cheque made out to Mrs.
Loud arrives every six months.
Emma (11:59):
One final fact is that she appeared in the first round of
BBC second series.
of The Voice on the 6th of Aprilin 2013 and she failed to
progress when she was rejectedby all four of the coaches,
which I think is ridiculous
Sam (12:13):
That just proves that The Voice is horse piss.
Emma (12:17):
Yes, indeed..
This song reached number one in28 countries, which is pretty
epic.
Meat Loaf won his one and onlyGrammy for the song, taking the
trophy for best rock soloperformance.
The album version is 12 minutesand one second long.
The video version is sevenminutes, 48.
(12:37):
And there were loads of otherversions produced to fit
different markets around theworld and different airplay and
things.
And Jim Steinman was very bitterabout all of that.
Sam (12:47):
Oh, of course he was He wanted 12 minutes or nothing
Emma (12:50):
I'd do anything for love, but I won't do that.
Started out at 15 minutes long.
Sam (12:57):
Okay.
long.
Now I love this song.
I know you do as well.
Loads of people
Emma (13:02):
song.
Yeah, it's a good song.
Sam (13:03):
It's one of my favorite songs ever.
It's one of their unequivocallygood songs.
But it's a bit much as it is.
fifteen minutes.
Emma (13:12):
Fifteen minutes
Sam (13:13):
What other things are in that fifteen minute version that
he won't do for love?
That's what I would like toknow.
Emma (13:20):
maybe this is where the misogynistic edit is.
So I
Sam (13:23):
I
Emma (13:23):
do the washing up.
I won't help you around thehouse.
I won't help look after thekids.
Sam (13:29):
I won't consider your emotional needs.
Emma (13:32):
That's probably better than it hit the cutting room
floor.
So yeah, it was supposed to be15 minutes long and Alan Kovac
told Jim Steinman, you've got tocut nine minutes, Jim.
This is never going to getplayed on radio.
And Jim was apparentlyinconsolable about it, crying in
front of everybody.
It's my baby.
You're butchering my baby.
Sam (13:53):
That needs
Emma (13:53):
That came from Meat Loaf's autobiography.
And apparently, every timesomebody tries to get him to
shave even a few seconds off ofit, to make it more suitable for
radio, Jim Steinman just said,Yeah, but what about Bohemian
Rhapsody?
Which just made him sound like apetulant child, and also,
Bohemian Rhapsody was only fiveminutes and fifty five seconds
long.
Sam (14:13):
And the thing about Bohemian Rhapsody is that it's
12 songs crammed into one fiveminute song.
Emma (14:18):
This is definitely just one song.
I mean it's a classic Meat LoafSteinman effort in that there
are several acts to it.
Yes.
Which is a trope that we need toremember when we write our own
Sam (14:29):
It's a multi part narrative.
Yeah.
Emma (14:34):
This comes from Jim Steinman." I started off this
whole album with an image ofMeat Loaf on stage.
For some reason, I started offwith a live show imageI'd Do
Anything For Love(But I Won't DoThat) was the first song I wrote
for Bat 2.
And it was definitely a Beautyand the Beast kind of story,
which you can really see in thevideo, which we'll come on to
later on.
What he won't do is said aboutsix times in the song, very
(14:57):
specifically.
It's a little puzzle and I guessIt goes by, but they're all
great things." I won't stopdoing beautiful things and I
won't do bad things.
It's very noble.
I'm very proud of that songbecause it's very much out of
the world of Excalibur.
To me, it's like Sir Lancelot orsomething.
Very noble and chivalrous.
That's my favorite song on therecord.
(15:18):
It's very ambitious." Just JimSteinman being very modest
again.
Sam (15:22):
Yeah.
If there's one thing you can sayfor Jim Steinman, he doesn't
like to blow his own horn.
Emma (15:28):
Meat Loaf on the same topic said, when we were
recording it, Jim brings up thething.
He says,'people aren't going toknow what that is'.
I said,'of course they are, howcan they not know?' He goes,
'they're not gonna'." So that'sJim contradicting himself there,
a bit.
If
Sam (15:45):
only got that 15 minute version.
Emma (15:48):
Where he specifically lays out what that is
Sam (15:50):
and that, I mean to to say, is the washing up.
Emma (15:57):
Clearing up what that is, Meat Loaf himself explained,
It's the line before everychorus.
There's nine of them, I think.
The problem lies because Jimmylikes to write.
So you forget what the line isbefore you get to, I won't do
that.
Sam (16:13):
Do you know what?
It's rare I'll say this, butMeat Loaf has been very
insightful
Emma (16:16):
yes
Sam (16:17):
Because, what makes Jim Steinman's good stuff good is
his incredible Baroque language.
And you're taking it one line ata time of the sort of, Fucking
what?
Okay, brilliant.
And you do forget what you'vejust heard, because of the next
shovel full of
Emma (16:35):
Yeah.
your way.
Shovel full of nonsense.
Is a beautiful way of puttingit,
Sam (16:41):
The things Meat Loaf won't do include lying to you and
that's a fact
Emma (16:45):
Mm hmm.
Sam (16:45):
forgetting the way you feel right now.
Oh no, no way.
Forgiving myself if we don't goall the tonight.
Emma (16:54):
That's such a teenage boy thing.
Oh goodness.
Come on, we should go all theway, oh my god, we'll never
forgive ourselves if we don't goall the way tonight.
Sam (17:01):
not even we.
Emma (17:01):
I've heard that before.
I'll
Sam (17:03):
never forgive myself if you don't get my magical
Emma (17:07):
if Just touch it, please, just touch it.
Meat Loaf has said that wheneverhe performs songs, he takes on
different characters for thosesongs.
And on this one, according to a1993 Rolling Stone interview,
Meat Loaf took on the characterof a 15 year old boy, which
Sam (17:26):
Ew can
Emma (17:27):
I can see it, but yeah, ew.
Sam (17:29):
This is an album by 40 something men about the teenage
experience
Emma (17:32):
Yeah.
Sam (17:33):
My notes like the whole album, this song does have real
divorce dad energy.
I would do anything for love, soplease don't take the kids your
mum's.
That's the underlying pleathroughout the whole song.
I would, I'd do anything forlove, please don't leave me.
I'll never stop dreaming of youevery night of my life.
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I'll never do it better than Ido it with you.
Emma (18:01):
Which is pretty horrible.
Sam (18:02):
I'll never bother to learn what makes another woman
satisfied in bed.
That's the line there.
Emma (18:09):
Is that noble?
Sam (18:10):
I don't want to start again.
I look bad in a leather jacketand a sports car.
Please don't do this to me,Sandra.
Emma (18:17):
I just can't be bothered to learn what another woman
likes.
Sam (18:20):
it took you a long time to train me.
No other woman will have thepatience that you do.
Emma (18:27):
This old dog can't learn new tricks.
Sam (18:30):
There's an image.
Emma (18:34):
Everyone's favorite piss drinking adventurer, Bear
Grylls, cites this song as hisinspiration to apply for
selection to the SAS.
He said,"enthusiasm anddetermination count for so much
more than skills, brains orqualifications", which is
genuinely worrying.
all this expressed itself to methrough Meat Loaf's song."
Sam (18:55):
Yeah, you're right, I want my SAS to be qualified, not just
really up for it.
Emma (19:01):
Yeah, Because you meet people who are really up for it,
and often they're lovely, butfuck me
Sam (19:06):
never watched it, but I've seen the trailers for Celebrity
SAS Training, whatever it'scalled.
The trailers in no way implythat the whole of SAS training
is corralling a bunch of guysand"Alright guys, who really
wants to be in the SAS?""Oh, me
Emma (19:20):
me, sir,
Sam (19:20):
me, me!" me!"Come on in, Grylls.
Emma (19:24):
What's your
Sam (19:24):
song, by the way?""I'd do anythi""Brilliant, yeah, mine is
Touch my Bum by the CheekyGirls." I would like to know
what inspired other famous exSpecial Forces people.
Like, What song inspired ChrisRyan to join the And why was it
Scatman Brackets Scabop dee babop by the Scatman?
(19:47):
John!
Emma (19:49):
Good yeah, I'm glad you managed to squeeze that in
Sam (19:51):
That's one we're doing this series Emma.
Emma (19:53):
Yep.
Thought it might be.
Good.
It is nice to have a break fromthe logical song.
So a couple of extra bits then.
Sam (20:00):
I've got a review of it actually.
The album sold really well.
It was very well receivedgenerally.
It did make both of them richmen But, they're not the fun
reviews, so I'm going to readyou this review of the album
from the Los Angeles Daily BatOut of Hell 2, Back Into Hell,
again by Steinman, is a dreadfuldescent into a listening hell
(20:22):
full of overblown, overlong,oversung, and plain awful lyrics
that read like passages from ateen's diary.
As a songwriter, Steinman hasnever found a cliche he couldn't
overuse.
You cannot argue with any ofthat.
Emma (20:37):
completely true.
it's all completely
Sam (20:38):
true but, it's fucking amazing.
Yes.
Emma (20:44):
that's what you want in a song.
Sam (20:45):
Thank you, LA Daily news.
How much does it annoy you thatthe song is called, I'd do
anything for love, but I won'tdo that?
Oh, massively, because, yeah ifyou listen back to the previous
episodes where I trailed this, Icalled it I Would Do anything
for love.
And
Emma (21:01):
it's not, it's, I'd do anything for love.
Sam (21:03):
I'm furious at Jim Steinman Why is he all about shortening
things in the title?
Emma (21:11):
Shortening it like that, using the I'd instead of I would
is almost taking the piss
Sam (21:16):
I'm honestly baffled that Fiona Apple still holds the
title of longest song title inthe world when Jim Steinman has
been around.
for so long.
Emma (21:23):
Laughter
Sam (21:23):
Oh no,
Emma (21:24):
that
Sam (21:24):
was an album.
Tits.
Emma (21:26):
Oh, we'll have to cut that.
Sam (21:27):
Sorry to all Apple heads out there.
Emma (21:32):
I've done a bit of a list of adverts that the songs
featured in.
Most recently it was in Marksand Spencer's Christmas
campaign.
It was for 2023.
Yeah.
It's also been in a recent Petsat home campaign.
Yeah.
Dr Pepper have used itMcDonald's have used it.
M& M's have used it.
A1 Sauce, which is a, anAmerican condiment.
(21:54):
they've used it.
ST1 Nordic Petrol Stations haveused it.
Sam (21:58):
Shout out to ST1 Nordic Petrol Stations.
Emma (22:01):
And Frankie and Benny's used it.
In an advert that I'm going toshow you now.
Sam (22:05):
okay.
Laptop (22:06):
It's time to see Yo, Mr.
Meat, I'm Hugo, your newmanager.
Where the hell's Taylor?
Loving the sounds.
Classic loaf.
So, Mr.
Meat.
No! Not Mr.
Meat.
Meat.
Sure.
Mr.
Meat, we've been thinking, Beefis out.
(22:28):
Beetroot is in.
Sausages are out.
Soy is in.
With that in mind, how about yougo vegan?
Vegloaf.
Ah, it's PR genius! No, it'snot.
I like your enthusiasm, and Iwas thinking you could do a
collab with Frankie and Benny's.
Who the hell's Frankie andJenny?
(22:48):
You could be the face of theirvegan menu.
I don't think so, man.
What about less guitar shreddingand more tearing and sharing of
the garlic pizza bread?
What the hell?
With vegan mozzarella.
What?
I sense you're not a fan ofgarlic bread, so how about the
Viva La Vegan burger with vegancheese fries?
(23:10):
Then the no cheese cheesecake.
You don't want to start, do you?
How about it?
Veg Loaf.
I'm not changing my name.
I thought you'd do anything forveg.
Yeah, but He won't do that.
Sam (23:40):
I'm baffled, Emma.
Emma (23:42):
So we've just watched the Frankie and Benny's ad..
I'm gonna put you're going toput the link and the time code?
I'm gonna put the link andtimecode in.
I'm also, Frankie and Bennies,you can fucking sue me.
If you want, over this.
I'm gonna put some of thataudio, a lot of that audio in,
because It's just awful, isn'tit?
So this I'm not sure what yearthat came out but looks like,
(24:04):
towards the end of Meat Loaf'scareer.
And it's a painfully awkwardadvert.
Sam (24:09):
the year was 2020.
got the press release here ifyou'd like.
go on.
Musician Meat Loaf is goingvegan for Veganuary and
partnered with United Kingdombased chain Frankie Benny's to
promote its vegan options.
The 72 year old singer who'sfamous for singing the lyrics, I
will do anything for love, but Iwon't do that.
No, he's not.
It's for singing the lyrics, Iwould do anything for love, but
(24:29):
I won't do was previouslyvegetarian for 11 years, but
recently returned to eating meatWhen Frankie and Benny's first
approached me to rebrand toVegloaf, I said, no way in hell,
I won't do that.
But I'd do anything for ourplanet, and dropping meat for
veg, even for just one day aweek, can make a huge
difference."'We wanted toencourage diners to swap meat
(24:50):
for veg this January, so whobetter to sign up than one of
the most recognized artists onthe planet?
Elisa Ashe, Director of Strategyand Brand for Frankie and
Benny's said.
Who is into Meat Loaf?
Divorced dads.
What's the number one restaurantfor divorced dads to take their
kids to at the weekend?
Frankie and benny's.
It's the perfect collab.
Emma (25:09):
I suppose so.
Yeah.
Oh, that's a depressing one.
Would you like a slightly moreupbeat advert?
(25:41):
singforyourbeef.
com
Sam (25:43):
singforyourbeef.com Emma, what was that
Emma (25:45):
So that was for A1 sauce which is an American condiment
that I've never tried before.
You said it was a bit
Sam (25:51):
Oh yeah, I've had it it's, a blander version of brown sauce
is how I'd advertise it.
That's not how I'd advertise it!
Emma (25:59):
the best I can come up with! Your job as an advertising
executive! The advert itselffeatures Meat Loaf in his
luxurious,
Sam (26:10):
Meat Loaf Manor
Emma (26:11):
Meat Loaf manor.
Yeah.
Yeah.
it is a
Sam (26:13):
McMansion!
Emma (26:14):
It is a McMansion.
Sam (26:15):
Meat Loaf hanging out by the pool in his McMansion.
He realises his meatloaf, thefoodstuff, is ready.
Emma (26:22):
When he goes to the oven to collect it, he is wearing
bunny slippers, which is myfavorite part of the whole ad.
Sam (26:26):
Yes.
He gets his meatloaf out of theoven, As an aside, can we agree
that meatloaf the food productlooks absolutely vile?
Emma (26:34):
It doesn't, that didn't look yummy.
Sam (26:36):
I think I might have had it once in a diner, but
Emma (26:39):
it, just looked like a slab of pressed meat.
It also looked reallyovercooked.
Sam (26:44):
Oh yeah,
Emma (26:45):
it looks burnt
Sam (26:45):
as fuck and that's why he got a six foot tall bottle of A1
sauce to then pour some on itand sing
Emma (26:51):
I would do anything for love and I always do this, as he
slathers the overcooked meatwith the brown sauce
Sam (26:58):
A1 makes your overcooked bland meat taste of something.
Emma (27:03):
Oh yeah.
Sam (27:05):
So there was a link on that to singforyourbeef.
com and that URL is dead.
But I did
Emma (27:10):
did
Sam (27:11):
have a quick search for singforyourbeef and it was
linked to some sort ofcompetition.
Emma (27:16):
Oh.
Sam (27:16):
So I've got a couple of videos that people's entries to
the singforyourbeef
Emma (27:20):
oh my God.
Contest.
Sam (27:22):
I'm just gonna Click on this one.
This is Rapping for my Beef byBig White Seth.
Emma (27:28):
Hi, Big White Seth.
Laptop (27:29):
My rhymes flow tight just like the bottle cap might
When your steak sauce shop andit's love at first sight Red and
white label, a brand youshouldn't miss Accept that
invite if you're able, feel somebarbecued bliss Breakfast,
lunch, and dinner, A1's known topersist First choice for my
meat, on this I must insistDismiss the thought of other
sauce for meat eating delightSecond to none in taste tests,
think I'll have some tonight,cause Nothing's better with meat
(27:52):
than A1
Sam (27:53):
That was Big White Seth wrapping for his beef.
Emma (27:58):
I wonder who won.
Sam (27:59):
I will try and find out more about this Sing For Your
Beef contest, and if I findanything good, we'll put it on
our our socials and possiblycome back to
Emma (28:05):
it this going to be another one of the Wilkinson
mysteries?
Sam (28:08):
Yeah, I
Emma (28:11):
you like another advert,
Sam (28:12):
I'd love another advert Emma
Emma (28:14):
so there is one more advert on this, magical reel
that I found.
It's not related to, I'd doanything for love, but it's too
good to pass up.
And it's related to a song wehave already covered.
Sam (28:25):
have
Laptop (28:25):
Shh, Shh Hey dad, I want a GoPhone Let me sleep on it It
has unlimited talk and text Letme sleep on it And no surprise
bill I can't take it any longerSon, I'm crazed you ask about
the GoPhone every night and dayAs long as there's no surprise
bills to pay We're gonna go andget you a GoPhone today Cause
(28:46):
I'll love you till the end oftime I swear I'll love you I'll
be till the end of time.
So we'll go and get you aGoPhone tonight.
And we'll see paradise by theGoPhone light.
Yeah! Never felt so good, neverfelt so right, we'll go get our
(29:06):
son a GoPhone tonight.
Sam (29:25):
I don't know about you, but I could do with a
Emma (29:30):
I would very much like a GoPhone that's incredible, it's
the best advert by far.
Yeah?
Sam (29:34):
Thanks.
What the heck is a GoPhone?
So that was weird.
Emma (29:41):
That was a parody of Paradise by the Dashboard Light,
wasn't it?
Sam (29:43):
Yes, of course The song about teenage horniness
Emma (29:47):
eah.
Sam (29:48):
transmuted into a lovely song about a son and dad who
love each other very much andthe dad buys his son the phone
that he
Emma (29:56):
wants.
Yeah.
Sam (29:58):
That's nice.
is.
It's very wholesome.
Yeah.
That's the problem though, isn'tit?
Because if you hear that tune,you are thinking about two teens
boning in a car.
Yep.
You are not thinking about dadand
Emma (30:10):
teenage son.
Sam (30:11):
son.
You should these.
Listeners, yeah, they're in theshow notes.
I'll put the links in and stuff.
Do check those adverts outbecause they are bizarre.
Weird windows into a world
Emma (30:24):
Into a world of questionable advertising
decisions.
Sam (30:27):
The Frankie and Benny's one was early 2020 and they rapidly
had other things to worry aboutin marketing terms But I don't
think that would have shiftedthe needle very
Emma (30:37):
much on their
Sam (30:38):
vegan food sales
Emma (30:40):
Oh shit Meat Loaf's gone vegan.
I'm gonna go vegan.
Said no one.
Sam (30:45):
GoPhones.
If I had a son, I'd buy him agoPhone.
Emma (30:49):
Yeah.
Sam (30:50):
And the advert for A1 Sauce just made me sad about American
food And I know some Americansthink that our food is bad and
they are fucking idiots.
shall we talk about the videothen,
Emma (31:04):
We should talk about the video because, ooh, what a
Sam (31:06):
What a video.
Meat Loaf Memories
Emma (31:10):
Memories.
So my mum was a Meat Loaf fan,like from the seventies.
She had the albums has thealbums.
But I hadn't been introduced toMr Loaf formally by the time
this came out.
Sam (31:24):
At a dance.
At a dance at Lord Barthingdon'splace.
Oh Miss Crosland, you simplymust meet Mr Loaf.
He'd be absolutely charmed.
Sorry.
Sorry.
So I first heard it at the sametime.
And I liked it.
(31:44):
It was like my first propermusic got into.
So I must've been about nine.
I think I was nine at the timewhen this came out.
And my parents noticed that Iliked it.
And mum got the album forChristmas that year and we
listened to it loads.
And then when the tour.
came out she took me to see him.
by that point I was 10, and soMeat Loaf was my first concert,
(32:05):
and it was big and scary, andthere was an inflatable bat.
that was my introduction to livemusic.
That's a hell of anintroduction.
Emma (32:14):
Yeah, going to see smaller bands after that.
Sam (32:18):
Where's your bat?
Where's your massive bat?
Emma (32:23):
What's going on?
Where's your numerous guitarsand somebody to bring you a
fresh one when you're bored ofthis one?
Sam (32:31):
So let's talk the video
Emma (32:32):
then.
Yes.
Sam (32:34):
by Michael Bay mad, You say it's mad but mad,
Emma (32:41):
so.
Sam (32:41):
yeah, the minute you hear that, you think, Oh yes, of
course, that makes perfectsense.
Because it has too manyhelicopters and police cars and
explosions.
The video tells a sort of Beautyand the Beast type fable right?
Meat Loaf plays a hideous beastmonster who's being chased by
the cops early on, on amotorbike, and then he goes and
hides in a mausoleum.
(33:03):
And accidentally runs over somecops on his motorbike while
escaping.
And then he spies on a prettylady having a bath in a river.
Emma (33:11):
It's a bit of a Herbal Essences moment isn't it
Sam (33:13):
loaf's bit of the video is tinged blue and horrible and an
evil forest.
And then she's bathing
Emma (33:19):
in sunlight
Sam (33:21):
sunlight, with singing birds around her.
Flicking her hair around Yeah.
And despite that being a creepyand illegal activity, the lady
is actually quite into beingspied on.
Because she is aware.
Emma (33:34):
We don't kink shame on this podcast.
But.
But, Yes, always check.
Please don't spy on the prettyladies.
Sam (33:44):
If there's one thing you should take away from this
podcast, it's don't spy on anyladies in the
Emma (33:50):
bath, Yep.
Sam (33:52):
otherwise.
So my notes say this, he spendsfive minutes in his magical
house spying on a hot girl withmagic, knowing that he's too
uggo to talk to her.
he creeps on her as she has abath.
Now that's a second bath, wehave to say.
For some reason, she has a bathin the river, follows him to his
house, and then immediately hasanother bath.
Emma (34:12):
Yeah, but I'll leap to her defence on this, because I like
a bath.
I can happily sit in a bath forup to three hours while reading
or staring into space.
I love a good bath.
And there have been some timesin the depths of winter when
I've had a lovely bath, and thenI've reached the end of the day
and thought, I could really dowith a bath.
So I can relate to it.
(34:34):
I have to say, I have never hada two bath day, but I've come
very close.
Sam (34:38):
Do Do you know what, Emma?
Let's practice self care.
Have a two bath day this week.
Listeners!
Emma (34:45):
it's, no, it's the wrong time of year for a two bath day.
In the winter, I will have a twobath day,
Sam (34:50):
Okay, so when
Emma (34:51):
That's weird, isn't it?
Sam (34:52):
Yeah!
Emma (34:54):
I'll be taking, hey, Sam, off in
Sam (34:57):
Bath two! It's going alright.
Don't know if he's spying on meyet, I'll let you know.
Well, this fervent bath addicthas one bath in the river, goes
for a walk, finds a house,thinks to herself, you know know
what, bath time.
Second bath and then she justfinds a bed and goes to sleep in
(35:20):
it, Goldilocks style, at whichpoint she's suddenly seduced by
three hot ladies in a scene thatreferences The Brides of
dracula.
question here.
This is Meat Loaf's magicalcastle?
why doesn't Meat Loaf just bonethose hot ladies?
Why does he have to lure afourth hot lady into his
Emma (35:38):
Because she's the one that he'd do anything for.
Sam (35:41):
Oh Oh.
Emma (35:42):
And he wouldn't do that, and that in this case refers to
the other women.
Sam (35:46):
Bit of a shame for them, innit?
Emma (35:48):
Is it?
Sam (35:51):
They are clearly sex starved.
Emma (35:53):
Is this like the Rocky Horror Picture Show?
Are these sex people?
Sam (35:56):
This is a house full of sex people.
you're right.
Emma (35:58):
sex people.
Sam (35:59):
Oh my god, Meat Loaf is Frank N.
Furter.
It's come full circle.
He's spying on people, there'squestionable consent issues,
there's a weird transformativemagic.
He's not
Emma (36:14):
made a monster yet though, or a man.
Sam (36:17):
He is the man and the monster.
deeper than
Emma (36:20):
Horror.
This is getting deep.
Yeah,
Sam (36:21):
man.
Deeper than
Emma (36:22):
Rocky Horror.
Sam (36:23):
There's a
Emma (36:26):
There's a quote for the poster.
Sam (36:28):
Michael Bay.
Deeper than Rocky Horror.
Meat Loaf spies on her, boningthe hot babes, and then my note
says, Fuck! The cops have sent atough detective guy.
He's got round wire framedglasses, so you know he's going
to be ruthlessly efficient.
Cutes.
He looks like a discount versionof Assistant Director Skinner
from The X Files.
(36:49):
I looked up the guy who playsthe detective.
He's been a nothing of any note.
Upsetting, really.
There we go.
The cops break into Meat Loaf'scastle and instantly all the
magic gets dismissed.
The lady finds Meat Loaf anddoesn't mind that he's a hideous
beast.
Her love transforms him into,well, not a hottie, normal
normal Meat Loaf.
(37:10):
Which actually is better sothat, I think we've talked about
this before as well, the DisneyBeauty and the Beast cartoon.
Beast, much hotter than The
Emma (37:20):
The Prince, yeah.
at the end.
And I'm glad that this is ageneral consensus and not just a
me thing.
'cause I've always thought thatright from when I first saw the
Disney's Beauty and the Beast,that I would much rather hang
out with Beast than the Princethat he eventually became.
But then, I'm quite fond of thefox version of Robin Hood that
Disney created, I
Sam (37:39):
Sexy Fox, robin Hood.
Yeah, and if you step outsideDisney, you've got the Dogtanian
cartoon, which had a sexy catspy called Milady..
Emma (37:49):
hee hee hee hee hee that one of your awakenings?
Sam (37:52):
that's one for the 40 something men.
Ha Ha Oh, it's a weird worldthat we inhabit isn't it?
just?
Meet Lo from The Girl, vanish,and ride off on a bike.
Brum brum.
So that's a quick summary of theplot of the film.
Do you want to talk aboutacting?
Emma (38:08):
If it can be called that.
Sam (38:09):
Jim Steinman described Meat Loaf generally.
as"a gargoyle beast withelements of Jackie Gleason and
Homer Simpson." Because, and Iwant to make this absolutely
clear, Jim Steinman was an awfulprick to his best friend.
I need to find out how to put itinto the podcast at some point
(38:30):
in this
Emma (38:30):
series.
Sam (38:31):
Jim Steinman tells a very funny anecdote about something
really awful that happens toMeat
Emma (38:37):
Loaf.
Oh god.
Sam (38:38):
And it's, I want to share it with so many caveats about
what an awful person he is toshare
Emma (38:45):
this, Yeah.
So funny.
Sam (38:47):
But
Emma (38:49):
Oh, we need to find a way of shoehorning
Sam (38:50):
Next time we discuss the breakdown in their relationship,
I think it goes in there.
Meat Loaf described himself asThe Robert De Niro of rock in a
1993 interview with RollingStone
Emma (39:00):
stone.
Robert
Sam (39:02):
Robert De Niro of rock?
No,
Emma (39:08):
No.
Sam (39:10):
Jim Belushi of rock?
Emma (39:13):
Maybe.
Sam (39:14):
Dan Aykroyd of rock.
Emma (39:15):
Dan aykroyd of rock.
Sam (39:17):
Flowers, isn't it?
Emma (39:18):
this happens, isn't it?
Aykroyd
Sam (39:22):
is actually probably quite silly, over the top, only a
couple of successful hits.
Utterly fucking batshit crazy inlater life.
yeah, there's Dan Aykroyd ofrock,
Emma (39:31):
of
Sam (39:31):
was Meat Loaf.
Emma, would you like a quiz?
Yes! This quiz is about thecinematographer on this film,
who is a man called DanielPearl.
Emma (39:40):
He's
Sam (39:40):
most famous for being a cinematographer on Texas
Chainsaw Massacre, the originalone.
And he's also famous formassacring the English
languageAs I will you now.
But which of these is not agenuine quote from Daniel Pearl?
Is it A, The video for I'd DoAnything for Love is one of my
personal all time favouriteprojects.
(40:02):
I think the cinematography ispure and it tells a story about
the song.
Emma (40:06):
Okay.
Sam (40:07):
That's it, that's all he's got to say about his all time
favourite project.
Is it B?
I grew up listening to music andwhen I heard a song often
enough, I could sing the wordsalong with the melody.
During the 1980s and 90s, youngpeople mainly watched the music
in addition to hearing it.
I wonder, do they now visualiseimages when they hear music?
(40:29):
Or was it C?
I think this track will go on tobe an evergreen because it's so
catchy and original.
A real wordsmith
Emma (40:37):
Yeah.
Which one of these
Sam (40:38):
did he not say?
Emma (40:41):
I've no idea, they're all incredibly bland
Sam (40:44):
Yes!
Emma (40:45):
Yeah,
Sam (40:45):
I read a whole interview with him and by god he's not an
interesting man to talk to.
Emma (40:49):
let's pick one at random, let's pick B.
Sam (40:51):
B.
I grew up listening to music andwhen I heard a song often
enough, I could sing the wordsalong.
Yes.
He did say that.
He did
Emma (40:58):
say that.
Sam (40:58):
Didn't say.
I think this track, will go onto be an evergreen because it's
so catchy and that?
was a man called Tony Catania,
Emma (41:06):
Okay.
Sam (41:07):
who was the producer of Scatman, brackets, skibabop
badop bop, scatman talking aboutthe song's future prospects.
Emma (41:14):
Ugh!
Sam (41:17):
And do you think that song did go on to be an evergreen,
Emma?
Emma (41:20):
I think possibly in your world it did.
Sam (41:24):
Ba Ba bada bum.
We talked about Michael Bay wasthe director on this film.
It was originally slated to beDavid Fincher, who went on to
direct Meat Loaf in Fight Club.
He left because they wouldn'tapprove his budget of 1.
7 million.
Emma (41:38):
uh,
Sam (41:39):
Michael Bay took it over for 750, 000, Which, to put in
context, an unnamed record labelexec claimed that this had the
budget of four weddings and afuneral
Emma (41:50):
Wow.
Sam (41:51):
so you can have seven minutes of Meat Loaf driving up
and down on a motorbike or 90minutes of Hugh Grant going blah
blah blah And being cruel FourWeddings is quite a good film.
It's before richard Curtisdisappears up his own arsehole
Michael Bay is also responsiblefor visuals connected to the
likes of Tina Turner, LionelRichie, and even the Divinyls'
(42:14):
signature smash I Touch Myselfbecause of course he did, the
horny little beast.
As always, I have gone ontoYouTube to find some comments.
We'll start with UndisclosedFemale.
Am I weird for finding him sogorgeous in that makeup?
Emma (42:30):
Yes, you are.
Moving on.
that's,
Sam (42:32):
Undisclosed female.
I thought we were kink positive.
Emma (42:37):
each to their own.
Beauty is in the eye of thebeholder, but
Sam (42:40):
Beast is in the eye of the beholder.
Emma (42:42):
hey.
Hey, hey.
hey.
Sam (42:44):
just high fived myself, listeners.
Emma (42:46):
I don't want to like it, but I do.
Sam (42:47):
Just like Undisclosed female.
Ha ha ha Father Timex.
I don't know if that's FatherTimex, he looks
Emma (42:58):
Yeah.
Sam (42:58):
or Father Time and then a little
Emma (43:00):
Aww.
Time.
Sam (43:02):
Aw.
this video has everything youcould want.
You got your monster man, yougot a cop who kills himself, you
have a hot girl who then hasghost lesbian sex, a hard boiled
detective out to get the copkiller.
It's all great until the end,and then they just teleport out,
and he's normal.
Emma (43:20):
I do like the listing there.
You got this, you got that.
I
Sam (43:23):
don't know why I wasted 10 minutes describing what was in
the
Emma (43:26):
video, That does it
Sam (43:27):
just gone to file the Timex, yeah.
And then here's a bit of a chatthread that, I'll read out the
thread to you.
It starts with at d e c 0 d e m3.
And I know what you want me tosay there, but I'm not saying
it.
Use letters.
When I was a baby, this song wasthe only thing that would put me
right to sleep.
(43:47):
So obviously my mom went out andbought the cassette.
Now, 27 years later, I'm stilllistening to this song.
R.
I.
P.
It's nice, isn't it?
It's lovely.
And then somebody calledAlexLi77 replies.
They said, Oh, come on! Therewere CDs in 1993!
Emma (44:05):
I had a CD player back then!
Sam (44:10):
To which dEC0DEM3 says, alright, cool.
Good on ya.
And then other people startchipping in, telling AlexLi77 to
fuck off.
SaltyBow776 says, I still listento tapes.
P.
S.
No need to be an a hole.
(44:30):
Plenty of people were usingtapes in the 90s.
I remember seeing them in storesstill in 2004 to 2008.
Emma (44:36):
In fairness, in certain hipster stores.
Urban Outfitters, I'm looking atyou.
can still buy cassettes now
Sam (44:42):
LD7 just says, be respectful.
Emma (44:44):
Oh, the voice of reason.
Sam (44:46):
AlexLi77 comes back to say, To those people who think this
comment is rude, it was notmeant that way.
But the fact that people took itthere really shows that we have
some super sensitive peoplethese days.
That's a you problem and I can'tfix that.
Emma (44:59):
Oh, the internet.
Sam (45:02):
Yeah! And then there's one more somebody called Stacey with
two y's, StaceyE100, justreplies with a sort of frowny
And AlexLi77 says, What doesthis even mean?
I crossed over and wouldn'tremember.
Honey, I was in my mid teens in1993.
I can assure you I had a CDplayer back then.
(45:24):
What is happening?
The
Emma (45:26):
internet is awful.
We're making the mistake ofreading below.
want
Sam (45:32):
to know what happened in Li Alex Li 77 Oh no, this is going
to another Sam Wilkinson
Emma (45:38):
Mystery Bowl.
A very specific mystery.
Sam (45:43):
What the fuck is wrong
Emma (45:44):
with that?
What's wrong?
Sam (45:48):
So if you know what the fuck is wrong with Alex077,
Emma (45:49):
with that, do
Sam (45:50):
email email us in, chatoutofhellatgmail.
com
Emma (45:53):
Make sure you put in the subject heading, The Wilkinson
Mysteries.
Sam (45:56):
As always Emma, we have to rate this song on our patented
Meat Loaf and Jim Steinman songrating scales.
this song was written by JimSteinman, so we used the Jim
Steinman scale, which runs fromJim Steinman at the top, to Jim
Fineman in the middle, all theway down to Jim Declineman.
Emma (46:14):
That's right.
Sam (46:15):
What's this song for you?
Emma (46:16):
It's obviously a massive Jim Steinman.
Sam (46:20):
Obviously a massive Jim steinman steinman,
Emma (46:24):
Oh, that echo effect you've got is really good.
Sam (46:27):
you.
Thank So that was Chat Out ofHell, we're back.
If you have enjoyed thispodcast, do let us know, just
like Tom did earlier,chatoutofhellatgmail.
com.
Let us know what you thoughtabout the song.
Did we miss something obvious?
Do you hate it?
I imagine most people don't,otherwise you wouldn't have made
it this far, but please do letme know, chatoutofhellatgmail.
(46:48):
com, or give us your opinions onour songs for next time.
Emma, what are you bringing tonext time?
Emma (46:52):
time?
Next time I'm bringing one of myall time favourites and a really
daft song.
it's going to be Out of theFrying Pan and Into the Fire.
Ooh, and that also appears onthe Bat Out of Hell 2 album.
Yes.
Sam (47:04):
Okay, that was me having a conversation, but you just
looked at me as if to say It'squite alright.
And I am bringing a challengefor you next time because I am
bringing something that JimSteinman wrote for somebody else
in the mid eighties.
I'm bringing Hulk Hogan's Theme.
God.
Yeah, so you can definitely findthat on YouTube.
(47:26):
I'm not sure if it's on anythingelse.
But yeah, if you just look upHulk Hogan's theme, you'll find
the wrestling album colon WWFall stars Hulk Hogan's theme.
Listeners, give those a listenif you want, or wait until next
time, up to you.
As always, keep your generalMeat Loaf thoughts and anecdotes
flying in.
Did you catch Meat Loaf beingconfused by an Ai Weiwei exhibit
(47:46):
at the Tate Modern?
Write
Emma (47:48):
and let us know, Chat out of hell at gmail.
com.
Sorry, that was really Yeah, Ido like that one?
You know what, we'll do that one
Sam (47:55):
this time.
Okay, cool.
Emma (47:59):
Emma, Sam!
Sam (48:01):
should we plug some other shit that we do?
Emma (48:02):
do?
We probably should.
Sam (48:03):
Yeah we are performing at the Nottingham Comedy festival.
exciting.
It is very exciting.
Emma (48:09):
you looking up the date?
Yes, I am.
Yeah, when we're not doing this,we do other things.
Sam (48:15):
We perform under the moniker of Crossland and
Wilkinson, we have a show calledMean Business coming to the
Nottingham Comedy Festival onthe 10th of November, 6.
30pm at the Navigation Inn.
Emma, why don't you tell ourlisteners about our show?
Emma (48:28):
It's been described as a capitalist fever dream, hasn't
it?
It has.
We would like to welcome you toCrossland and Wilkinson, which
is the funniest mega corporationon the footsie 100.
and, Our agenda for this meetingin Nottingham will include
hypnosis, secret codes, puppets,monkeys, murder, you know, all
(48:48):
the usual things that you'd needcovering on your first day in a
new job.
There is a possibility ofmoustaches.
It's a one hour comedy showtaking the form of an induction
session at a huge and Definitelynot evil and weird mega
corporation.
And it is fantastic.
Even if I do say so myself.
Sam (49:07):
Yes you do.
And so do i!
Emma (49:10):
Is
Sam (49:10):
very good fun.
Audiences have enjoyed it aswe've been running it out and
testing it so far, So if youwanted to come see us in
Nottingham, that would be
Emma (49:17):
We'd love to see you
Sam (49:18):
you also run a fantastic monthly comedy night in Leeds.
Emma (49:21):
I do! Here in Leeds, I run Big Duck Energy on the third
Wednesday of every month at theBridge End Social.
You can find us on the Facebooksif you look for Big Duck Energy
Comedy, and we are a female andnon binary specific comedy
night.
Everyone is welcome in ouraudience.
We have incredible lineups.
(49:42):
We have a tat raffle, which isbecoming famous.
Now we raise money for charity.
We do loads of lovely things,but most important, we are
fucking hilarious.
Sam (49:51):
Oh, it is a really good night.
I've enjoyed it every time I'vegone.
And you can tell it's a goodnight because even though I'm
not eligible to be booked, I'm
Emma (49:59):
saying it's good.
And that comes from one of themen.
I am One
Sam (50:04):
I am One of the men
Emma (50:06):
the mens.
of! us.
So yeah, come to it.
It's amazing.
We have so much fun.
And it's a really warm,friendly, welcoming night.
Sam (50:16):
night.
Marvellous! Any other business?
Emma (50:18):
I don't think so.
Oh, you
Sam (50:19):
cool! Alright thank you all very much for listening to
Series 2 of Chat Out of
Emma (50:23):
Hell.
Sam (50:23):
And we'll see you all again in two weeks time.
Bye!
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