December 15, 2024 • 48 mins
Massive hair, massive covers and massive driving test errors, it's Chat out of Hell!
We finally get to the pinaccle of Jim's 80s output in Total Eclipse of the Heart, while Peel Out takes us to its exact middle. This time, we solve the big questions like:
- Who came up with all that nonsense in the Total Eclipse video?
- What if Bonnie Tyler ran a husky farm?
- What time does Meat Loaf's mum call him in for his tea?
PLUS an email to swell Sam's ego by proxy, some truly horrifying early lyrics from the Dream Engine (Dream Engine...Dreams...Engines...) and all the usual sundry nonsense.
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Chat out of Hell is a is a review podcast: all music extracts are used for review/illustrative purposes. To hear the songs in full please buy them from your local record shop or streaming platform. Don't do a piracy.
Music extracts on this episode:
Total Eclipse of the Heart by Bonnie Tyler from the album Faster than the Speed of Night (1983)
Total Eclipse of the Heart by Nicki French (1994)
Si Demain...(Turn Around) by Kareen Anton and Bonnie Tyler from the album Simply Believe (2003)
Peel Out by Meat Loaf from the album Dead Ringer (1981)
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Transcript
Episode Transcript
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Sam (00:00):
What is this?
Emma (00:01):
This is Chat Out of Hell, the only fortnightly podcast
dedicated to dissecting theworks of Meat Loaf and Jim
Steinman in more detail thanshould ever be necessary.
Sam (00:13):
Who is Meat Loaf?
Emma (00:15):
Meat Loaf is a musician who played his own superfan in a
film about himself.
Who's Jim Steinman?
Sam (00:24):
Jim Steinman is a record producer who described Bonnie
Tyler as a"Welsh dairymaid witha lusty body."
Emma (00:31):
Good grief.
Sam (00:32):
They were different times, Emma.
Emma (00:34):
Who are we?
Sam (00:35):
We are Emma Crossand and Sam Wilkinson, generic evil
business owners cursed to bevisited by the ghost of operatic
rock music past without evergetting to the bit where the
ghosts of operatic rock musicpresent and operatic rock music
future rock up and make uschange our ways.
It's
Emma (00:51):
We are recording this close to Christmas.
Yeah, this is
Sam (00:54):
episode, isn't it?
Welcome to Chat Out of Hell!Bow, now, now, now.
That gets more tuneless
Emma (01:04):
every time, doesn't It It really does.
Yeah, yeah.
How are you?
Sam (01:09):
I'm I'm alright as well.Good.
Does it ever feel weird to youthat We go to each other's
houses and we have half an hour,45 minutes of small talk before
we start
Emma (01:18):
And then we do more
Sam (01:19):
And then we pretend that we've only just walked into the
room and just, Oh, it's you! Howare you?
Emma (01:23):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It is weird.
Also, if I ever really told youhow I was, I think that would
be, socially unacceptable for apodcast.
Absolutely.
Sam (01:30):
And for a friendship.
Emma (01:34):
I'm fine.
Everything's fine.
Sam (01:35):
a man from the Victorian ages, Emma.
Emma (01:37):
It's okay, I'm not going to emote at you, it's fine.
You're safe.
Bantz over?
Sam (01:45):
I guess
Emma (01:46):
so.
Yeah, probably.
Sam (01:48):
So this is Chat Out of Hell and this is a podcast where two
comedians, what is us, talkabout the songs of Meat Loaf and
Jim Steinman, what is somemusicians from the past.
Every episode we both bring aMeat Loaf or Jim Steinman song
to dissect on our rock and rolllab table drop some facts about
(02:08):
it, listen to it, have a lovelytime, audience has a great time,
do the emails, go home.
Emma (02:16):
Rock and
Sam (02:17):
Sounds good,
Emma (02:18):
doesn't it?
Yeah, yeah.
It sounds great when you lay itout like
Sam (02:20):
It is, yeah, That's how I do agendas for meetings at work
as well.
Right lads, we're gonna do rockand roll, then we're gonna do
this, then it's mailbag.
There's always a mailbag
Emma (02:30):
Mailbag! Do you get fan mail at
Sam (02:33):
yeah, yeah, I Hey Sam, long time listener, first time
emailer.
Can you please get thatspreadsheet back to me by
Tuesday?
know you keep ignoring myemails.
Anyway.
that's what we're going to do.
So this episode I have broughtBonnie Tyler's incredible hit,
(02:53):
Total Eclipse of the Heart,which was written by Mr Jim
Steinman
Emma (02:58):
I have brought another song written by Mr.
Jim Steinman.
And it is the first track fromMeat Loaf's second album, dead
Ringer.
And that track is called Peel
Sam (03:08):
Out Peel Out.
So listeners, go away, findthose on YouTube, Spotify,
wherever you get your musicfrom.
Wait for a busker to play it inthe town centre.
Eventually they'll get there,
Emma (03:20):
I think it might take quite a long time for them to
get round to peel out.
Sam (03:23):
Yeah, maybe.
I reckon you'll get a lot ofTotal Eclipse of the Heart
buskers.
Ambitious, but possible.
But we're gonna listen to TotalEclipse of the Heart now.
If you've never seen the videofor this, do yourselves a
favour, find that on YouTube.
Otherwise, we've all heard thesong before, right?
Everyone knows it.
everybody knows this masterpieceWe'll see you all after this
(03:45):
very short clip.
Emma (04:13):
What was that
Sam (04:14):
listeners, Emma had never seen that video before.
I assumed that everyone had seenit loads because I thought
everyone was me.
Emma (04:26):
So this Bonnie Tyler thing, obviously since we've
started doing Chat Out of Hell,you've been digging more and
more into the various works ofJim Steinman, and you've rather
fallen for our lovely Bonnie.
Were you a fan beforehand, or isthis a new thing?
Sam (04:40):
We need a new jingle for this.
I don't know how it's gonnawork.
It's not a Meat Loaf Memories,it's a Bonnie Tyler
Emma (04:49):
Memories
Sam (04:52):
This is song that's always been with me and I have lots of
lovely memories of it from beinga student and singing karaoke
and
Emma (04:59):
It's a
Sam (05:01):
It's a great karaoke song and there are a couple of
friends that it always makes methink of
Emma (05:06):
of So
Sam (05:06):
get to see very much anymore.
So it's, it's really nice.
That's
Emma (05:09):
a really nice Bonnie Tyler memory.
Sam (05:11):
It is, thank you.
Emma (05:13):
welcome.
No, like, weird awkward teenagestuff to do with it then?
It's not a classic memory then?
is it?
Sam (05:18):
not classic me both memories, no.
It is a banger of a
Emma (05:21):
It is a banger I love it.
And I'm sure that there havebeen times in my life when I've
thought, this song's about
Sam (05:28):
Yeah.
Emma (05:29):
Probably quite drunk a bad night out in in my university
days.
Doing a bit of air clutchingwhile singing and
Sam (05:37):
have some killer lyrics in It really does.
Every now and then I get alittle bit nervous that the best
of all the years have gone
Emma (05:44):
I mean,
Sam (05:44):
God! Ow! Ow! Oh,
Emma (05:47):
that one, punches
Sam (05:49):
Yeah, but it's a lovely song.
let's start with the theme ofthe song.
What do you think that song isabout,
Emma (05:56):
Oh my God.
The video is
Sam (05:58):
is mad.
It is mad.
We'll come back to the video.
Yeah.
talk to me about themes.
Emma (06:05):
Once upon a time I was falling in love, now I'm only
falling apart.
It feels like a song aboutheartbreak.
Sam (06:10):
Wrong! It's about vampires.
Emma (06:14):
I should have known.
I should have known.
How is it about vampires?
Sam (06:21):
looks so disappointed, listeners.
Emma (06:25):
are bits of that song that touch my aching soul and now
it's about fucking
Sam (06:29):
vampires.
Jim was kicking it around for amusical based on Nosferatu, but
didn't happen.
It did end up going into Danceof the Vampires later.
So the sort of vampire y bits toit is loving in the dark.
Giving off sparks like vampiresdo.
Have
Emma (06:48):
you noticed that a lot of Jim's songs involve giving off
sparks?
Which is a theme that we need tobring into
Sam (06:54):
I was about to mention that.
because this is one of theearliest cases of Jim recycling
the shit out of things.
Here's your Total Eclipse facts.
This was the lead single fromBonnie's fifth album, Faster
Than The Speed Of Night, whichis her first collab with Jim
Steinman.
The single is four minutesthirty, the album version seven
minutes and two.
It's duet with the lovely RoryDodd.
(07:18):
Wonderful Rory.
This song stopped anotherSteinman work from getting to
number one.
Did it?
Yeah, Making Love Out of Nothingat All by Air Supply got to
number two.
Jim Steinman doesn't like airsupply so I think he's quite
happy with the outcome here.
As I've mentioned I thinkbefore, he called them"two
boring idiots from Australia".
American songwriter called thissong"a gloriously over the top
(07:40):
evocation of romantic torment"and"a garment rending, chest
beating, emotionally exhaustingballad".
right.
Yeah?
You were about to say that,weren't you?
That's
Emma (07:51):
pretty much what was on the tip of my Tongue?
Sam (07:54):
Tongue?
You can say it however you like,I just never knew you were a
Tongue guy.
Tongue?
Tongue.
Oh no, you're from that part ofthe world that's right on the
border and you're not sure.
Shit, sorry.
Emma (08:06):
Tung.
Sam (08:07):
Tongue.
Tongue.
Emma (08:09):
Tung.
Now I'm just really aware of myown tongue.
Tongue.
Tongue.
Sam (08:14):
Edit point.
I'll cut all this out.
Emma (08:17):
Um,
Sam (08:20):
So like everything Jim did after 1981, this was recycled
from various other things he'dalready done.
The melody came from thesoundtrack to the film A Small
Circle of Friends, which Jimtotally soundtracked.
I've not watched it, but it's asort of indie some people are in
love and now they're in lovewith somebody else and then
something else.
Film.
(08:40):
So I'm chucking that in for Film
Emma (08:42):
Yeah, is that going on film club Bonnie
Sam (08:44):
Tyler makes bank singing this every time a solar eclipse
happens and good on her.
Emma (08:48):
I'm pretty sure that in recent years I heard that she
was singing it on a cruiseduring a
Sam (08:53):
right, yes, there are clips of her on a cruise ship, sailing
through a solar eclipse.
It's one of these massive ships,with thousands and thousands of
people all watching her, andshe's on a stage at the front.
Her band are fucking awful.
Emma (09:08):
When I went on a cruise, which was a weird holiday I was
sat in one of the bars drinkingcocktails because we'd got a
drinks package.
So we thought we'd make the mostof it by being drunk for, I'd
say about 90 percent of ourwaking hours.
There was like a, pianistplaying lounge music, And then
all of a sudden I heard thelounge version of Radiohead's
(09:29):
Creep
Sam (09:29):
ha ha ha ha! ha!
Emma (09:32):
which was a really
Sam (09:33):
Oh my god, that sounds
Emma (09:35):
yeah, yeah, that was, quite
Sam (09:37):
awesome Da da ding, da ding, da ding.
That's a reverse John Lewis ad,isn't
Emma (09:42):
they?
Yeah.
I very much enjoyed that
Sam (09:45):
line giving off spark, that comes on the song Bad For Good,
from the album, Bad For Good.
See also Invocation andFormation of the Tribe, from The
Dream Engine.
Dreams Dreams can come true.
Look at me, babe.
I'm looking at engines.
(10:09):
Thank
Emma (10:09):
Thank you!
Sam (10:10):
So that song was later rejigged into a song called
Skull of a Country for MeatLoaf.
So we're not going to listen tothe whole thing here, but it is
the, very much the proto TotalEclipse of the Heart.
The lyrics are much weirderthough.
Emma, I'd like you to give mesome turnarounds and I'll give
you the lyric in Don't have tosing it, just give me a Rory
(10:30):
Dodd turnaround.
Emma (10:31):
Turnaround.
Sam (10:33):
It's a black day dawning,
Emma (10:36):
Turn around.
Sam (10:38):
there's a corpse in mourning,
Emma (10:40):
Turn around.
Sam (10:42):
To your tin can graveyard,
Emma (10:45):
Turn around.
Sam (10:46):
To your tin foil saviour,
Emma (10:49):
there more?
Sam (10:50):
around, bright eyes, turn around, bright eyes.
And then There's another verse.
Go.
Emma (10:55):
Turn around.
Sam (10:57):
There are napalm babies screaming.
Emma (11:01):
Turn around.
Sam (11:02):
There are rivers steaming.
Emma (11:05):
Turn around.
Sam (11:07):
Give us all that you have now.
Emma (11:10):
around.
Sam (11:12):
And stop feeling bad now.
Fucking hell, Jim.
Crikey.
Emma (11:19):
mean, Wow.
You've dug up some absolutegold.
It's, that is incredible.
Sam (11:27):
So listeners, if you all need a hug, please do podcast
and go find a loved one.
Thanks for listening.
Emma (11:31):
I'm just going to cuddle the cat
Sam (11:33):
the cat The album version has two verses that were
missing, and I think they'requite nice and touching.
Yeah.
So if you can give me someturnarounds, I'll bring us up
again.
Every now and then I know you'llnever be the boy you always
wanted to be.
Emma (11:50):
Turn around.
Sam (11:51):
Every now and then I know you'll always be the only boy
who wanted me the way that I am.
Emma (11:56):
Turn around.
Sam (11:57):
Every now and then I know there's no one in the universe
as magical and wondrous as you.
Emma (12:02):
Turn
Sam (12:04):
Every now and then I know there's nothing any better,
there's nothing that I justwouldn't Jim has turned it
around there.
I
Emma (12:13):
I prefer the bit about the Napalm baby.
Napalm Babies is the title of mynew band.
Sam (12:22):
Oh God.
Yeah, your ukulele folk band.
My ukulele
Emma (12:26):
funk band, Napalm Babies.
Sam (12:28):
Oh, lovely.
nice.
That's nice.
Emma.
Emma (12:31):
Yeah.
hey Sam, how did Jim and Bonniecome to work together?
Sam (12:36):
Oh, what a great prompt.
Thanks, Emma.
She first hits fame in 1978 witha song called It's a Heartache..
That does alright, it gets tolike number four ish in the UK,
slightly worse in the US.
But then disappears again.
She's just meh.
In 1981 she switched managementrecord companies and she asked
Jim to produce her.
Because she had seen the MeatLoaf performance on the Old Grey
(12:57):
Whistle Test.
And she was a massive mega fanof Meat Loaf.
Emma (13:01):
The old gray whistle test did a lot of good for
Sam (13:04):
didn't it?
It did, yeah.
It absolutely made both theircareers.
She says,"I didn't expect Jim tosay yes to producing me, I only
asked him because I'm a huge fanof his records, especially his
solo album".
Emma (13:16):
Aww.
Sam (13:17):
Yeah.
bless her.
Nobody is especially a fan ofhis solo album.
Especially when at the time theonly records we're talking about
are Bat Out of Hell and the
Emma (13:27):
Sun.
Sam (13:27):
album.
Bonnie Fact, she represented theUK in Eurovision in 2013,
Emma (13:34):
Did she?
unaware of
Sam (13:37):
She landed somewhere mid table and then sat in the green
room getting
Emma (13:42):
ha ha!
Sam (13:44):
Good on But what does Jim think about Bonnie?
Emma (13:47):
ha! ha ha this is going to go well.
Sam (13:50):
"I always thought she had a great voice", he says.
"She reminds me of CreedenceClearwater Revival's John
Fogarty, probably my favouritemale rock'n'roll singer." Is
that a compliment?
Emma (14:01):
Hard to say.
Sam (14:03):
Not only Jim, but a lot of people compare Bonnie to a
female Rod Stewart.
Emma (14:09):
I can see that with the gravelly
Sam (14:12):
Yeah, but it's also quite an unkind comparison.
This is interview with SmashRock Anthems for ITV.
"I think she had the perfectvoice for Total Eclipse.
It sounded so sensual but soravaged.
It sounded heroic that she couldsing at all." Does that sound
familiar to you?
Emma (14:30):
It rings a bell.
Sam (14:33):
Back when we were talking about Meat Loaf's last album,
Jim's press piece said,"MeatLoaf is absolutely heroic in his
ravaged voice."
Emma (14:41):
Not only does Jim recycle music and lyrics and themes, he
also recycles press releases.
Sam (14:51):
Just comments on people he knows.
Emma (14:53):
Amazing.
Sam (14:54):
"Her voice sounds like Rod Stewart in the middle of an
orgasm."
Emma (14:58):
What?
Yes.
Sam (15:01):
Somehow he meant that in a good way., they get on very
well.
Jim produced two albums forBonnie.
He wrote, I think, four or fivesongs for her one of which was
Ravishing, which I've alreadybrought to the table and
Emma (15:14):
you made me
Sam (15:16):
It's amazing, Emma.
I just think you are still underthe Hulk Hogan shadow.
This was produced at the powerstation in New York, where Jim
did a lot of his work in theearly 80s.
He worked with a couple ofengineers called Neil Dorfsmann
and John Janssen.
Neil recalls that Steinmanwasn't very experienced at the
(15:37):
time.
He says he's grateful that JohnJanssen was there to talk Jim
down from an idea like,"We needmore cannons in the bridge."
'Jim, we can't have any morecannons, Dorfsmann recounts,
adding that they were created onthe synth.
'Just like Todd Rundgren and themotorcycle.
Emma (15:55):
Did Jim want to wheel actual cannons in?
Sam (15:57):
cannons?
I believe so.
Rory Dodd gave a very technicaland detailed explanation about
how they did the backgroundvocals.
Complicated and difficult is thegist that I got from it, but
then he says,"It was 2am when wefinished recording a 10 hour
session during the backgrounds.
I thought we were done when Jimpiped in,'Hey Icy!" We all
(16:18):
recall that Rory Dodd is calledIcy.
Do you want to sing the duetparts now?' I wanna go home,
Jim.
But I acquiesced".
Because Icy's such a nice guy.
Emma (16:28):
is a nice guy.
Also
Sam (16:29):
We're often quite disparaging about Jim.
And he makes it very easy to beso.
but people do have nice thingsto say about him long days of
recordings that could have goneon for five to seven days.
But Jim was very supportive ofthe team.
He was constantly ordering giantpiles of food for everyone.
And people have said this abouthim in other points as well.
He was a very generous man tohis friends.
(16:50):
You'd go to a restaurant withJim, he would order the whole
menu and just have whatever,it's fine.
Sometimes I think we're a bittoo down on Jim because he says
incredibly stupid and cruelthings about his friends.
But he seems to be genuinelyliked by people in the industry
as shall we talk about the musicvideo now?
Yes.
Emma (17:09):
Yes.
Sam (17:09):
The video for this song features Bonnie Tyler in a sort
of dreamscape in a big
Emma (17:16):
it is a very sort of classic Jim
Sam (17:18):
video.
Yeah, there's lots of blowycurtains.
Bonnie has massive hair blowingin the wind everywhere.
There's candles streaming in thewind and then
Emma (17:28):
got a bit of a gothic
Sam (17:29):
it's got a very gothic vibe to it and then we get to a lot
of teenage boys who arealternately doing ballet or
backflips or fencing or justaround being shirtless or taking
the bright eyes thing incrediblyliterally because they all
suddenly have glowing eyes.
There's a choir of youngerteenage boys who sing Turn
(17:50):
Around Bright Eyes and then oneof them flies towards
Emma (17:53):
Yeah, that's quite is that being a vampire?
Sam (17:56):
I guess that's part of the being a vampire, yeah, it's the
Lost Boys thing.
then we cut to the coda scenewhere it's day and it's outside
of what is clearly a boardingschool.
And Bonnie, I think is beingintroduced as a new teacher to
the boys.
Emma (18:10):
She's looking very smart
Sam (18:11):
very smart in her black tie and suit, and she's shaking
hands with the boys, which is,that never happened when I met a
new
Emma (18:18):
teacher in high school.
Sam (18:20):
They never paraded, yes.
But as she shakes hands with oneof the boys, he has bright eyes
and sings, turn around brighteyes, which she finds a bit
shocking.
And then it happens again, andthe boys all push past her and
go into school.
Typical boys.
It's
Emma (18:39):
I assume that as she was then their new teacher, that
they systematically tried towork out her weak points and
destroyed her
Sam (18:46):
Undermined her from within.
Emma (18:48):
Yeah,
Sam (18:48):
Yeah,
Emma (18:48):
I enjoyed it when the boys were ballet ninjas.
Sam (18:51):
Yes, they were ninjas.
Here's a quote for you.
So this video is directed by ourold pal Russell Mulcahy, who
directed The Shadow.
Emma (18:59):
The Shadow.
Sam (18:59):
The Shadow.
with Alec Baldwin.
Alec so here's Russell'sremembrances.
"Jim is fabulously, fabulouslycrazy.
We would banter ideas over abottle of red wine.
I'd say, let's set it in aschool and have ninjas in one
(19:23):
And he'd say, let's have a choirboy with glowing eyeballs.
Emma (19:28):
God,
Sam (19:28):
We shot it in an old abandoned insane asylum in
London.
We had one sequence, which wasSteinman's idea, where a
shirtless young boy is holding adove and he throws it at the
camera in slow motion.
Bonnie came around the cornerand screamed in her Welsh
accent, YOU'RE NOTHING BUT AFUCKING Prevert
Emma (19:48):
Prevert?
Sam (19:48):
then she stormed off.
There was nothing perverseintended, the imagery was meant
to be pure.
Maybe slightly erotic and gothicand creepy, but pure.
Anyway, the video went to numberone and a year later, Bonnie's
people rang up and asked if Iwould direct her new video.
"And I told them to fuck off,because I was insulted about
(20:08):
being called a fucking pervert.
And I was a little mad becausepervert wasn't pronounced
correctly".
Yep.
absolutely Bonnie says"it's afantastic video, I don't like
the way I look in it with allthat curly hair, I look like a
bloody poodle".
(20:29):
Emma, would you like a quiz?
Emma (20:31):
Always.
Sam (20:31):
Bonnie Tyler is actually a stage name.
So which of these was the nameshe was born under?
Is it A.
Sannie Carlson?
Is it B.
Gaynor Hopkins?
Or is it C, Nicki French?
Emma (20:54):
I'm going to go with Gaynor.
Sam (20:56):
was Gaynor Hopkins, yeah.
There we go.
Do you recognise either of thosetwo other names?
Sannie Carlson is the real nameof Whigfield, singer of the
Emma (21:04):
the electric
Sam (21:06):
smash Saturday Night.
Emma (21:08):
okay, well done.
Sam (21:09):
Nicki French
Emma (21:10):
Yeah.
Sang this
Sam (21:10):
this
Emma (21:13):
this feels very 90s.
Music (21:21):
Every get a little bit lonely and you never come
around, turn around.
Every now and then I get alittle bit tired of listening to
the sound of my tears,
Sam (21:34):
Do you not remember that one from your raving days?
Sam
Emma (21:36):
just handed out the glow sticks.
ha ha ha!
Sam (21:40):
you remember that?
No.
That was 1994, and as I wasresearching this one, found it
and I played it and I had amassive like, fuck I do remember
this! I mean I was eight yearsold at the time, but I remember
this being on the radio.
the
Emma (21:53):
Oh my god.
Yeah.
Sam (21:55):
That went to number five in the UK, number two in the US.
Emma (21:57):
Crikey.
Sam (21:58):
There's a couple of other interesting covers that I'd like
to share with you.
now.
Okay.
We'll go back to Bonnie Tylerfirst.
She's re recorded this a lot oftimes.
As her voice has matured, itsounds a little bit better every
time.
But in 2003, she re recorded itas a bilingual duet with a
French singer, Karine Anton,under the name of Si Demain.
The song is alright, but thevideo is so diametrically
(22:21):
opposite to the video you'vejust seen that I have to share
it with you.
Emma (22:24):
Okie
Sam (22:24):
dokie.
Music (22:25):
Tu sais que quelquefois j'ai peur de toi.
Tu sais que quelquefois j'aipeur de moi.
J'ai tant besoin de toi.
Emma (22:36):
That video was that about two women that run away together
to go and raise
Sam (22:40):
huskies Yes it was! Much as the Nikki French version was so
90s, this was the most early2000s video you could get.
Emma (22:52):
I like the Husky Puppies,
Sam (22:53):
was good, it was, it was one of those, I don't know the
name of the genre.
An un rom com where Kareen Antonis in a not an abusive
relationship she just doesn'tlike her partner very much and
she leaves him and she movesBonnie Tyler in a cabin in the
snow
Emma (23:11):
where they Aww.
Sam (23:14):
I He's lovely!
Emma (23:14):
that is the dream, isn't it?
Yeah.
Sam (23:18):
That went to number one in Belgium, France and Poland.
Emma (23:20):
Did it?
Sam (23:22):
Loads of covers, most of which I will skip over.
Westlife did one.
Their version is boring.
But Jim produced one of theremixes.
Which the label didn't want, butthat remix has found its way to
the internet.
Most of it is still shit, butthe first 40 seconds are
absolutely killer.
so So check this out.
Emma (23:52):
heh, heh.
God.
(24:21):
Nothing they can do after thatintro is going to
Sam (24:24):
No, no.
Emma (24:25):
It's just, they are
Sam (24:29):
Yeah, yeah, that was real bat two Jim production
Emma (24:32):
It does remind me of A Kiss is a Terrible Thing to
Waste, which I know is alsoAround that
Sam (24:38):
Yeah, broadly.
when Bonnie asked to work withhim, Jim actually gives her a
test.
He invites her over and he playsher a couple of records.
And if she didn't like theserecords, they're not going to
work together.
It was a Credence record and Ican't remember what the other
one was, but they end upcovering them on that first
album.
But I can't picture.
(24:59):
What he did with West Life.
Emma (25:01):
Was that a stage where yeah, I'll just
Sam (25:02):
it.
Whatever.
Yeah, I
Emma (25:04):
Just give me the money
Sam (25:05):
now actually.
Emma (25:06):
need to like, I
Sam (25:07):
to like, I need to pay my choir
Emma (25:08):
I need to pay my choir and my restaurant bills are getting
ridiculous.
Sam (25:12):
That is almost it for covers.
I've got one more to brieflyplay for you.
In 2019, in the Canto Uma ParaMim segment on Brazilian
television programme AlertaAmazonas, this song was
performed by contestant PriscilaMunhoz, who did not know how to
speak English, and insteadsubstituted her own gibberish
lyrics.
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She was eliminated from theprogramme, but this video went
viral as a
Emma (25:54):
Lots of N's in there.
Yeah.
Sam (25:57):
I just love it because that is how English sounds to people
who don't speak English.
Yeah.
And it's, it's interestinghearing that because
Emma (26:04):
interesting.
Sam (26:06):
So yeah, she went totally viral and there's several clips
of her, singing her cover onlike big prime time Brazilian
shows., Bonnie Tyler video, overa billion views on YouTube.
And that is over 37 pence inYouTube ad revenue.
But Emma, what do the people ofthe internet think?
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I'd love to know.
Johnzed85, My aunt Jeanette usedto babysit me and play this over
and over again on the recordplayer.
She danced very drunkenly with aglass of cheap wine in her hand.
She'd always throw the glass atmy little brother and scream.
Her hair caught fire in thesummer of 89.
They say she fell asleep whilesmoking.
(26:47):
I can still smell her hairspray.
She used too much of that stuff.
Very flammable.
Emma (26:55):
Some people tell the internet things that should only
be spoken to a
Sam (26:59):
Yeah, like confessing to setting fire to their aunt's
hair.
Because that's definitely what
Emma (27:04):
Yeah, that's,
Sam (27:05):
that's, that's, Yeah thanks, Johnz85.
Yeah.
Is time to rate this song.
For those new to our podcast, wealways rate our songs on our
patented copyrighted trademarks.
organic, homegrown Jim SteinmanMeat Loaf song rating scales.
Today we're using our JimSteinman scale, so we go from
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Jim Steinman at the top, JimFineman in the middle, all the
way down to Jim Declineman atthe bottom.
I don't think there's anydiscussion It's
Emma (27:36):
absolutely a Jim Declineman.
Sam (27:39):
And that was chat out of hell, thank you for listening.
Emma (27:42):
the over forever.
I'm kidding, of course it's JimSteinman.
Sam (27:47):
Of course it's Jim Steinman! There we go, total
eclipse of the heart.
Emma, what was your song?
Emma (27:54):
We do have another Jim Steinman song, but it's perhaps
not as well known, despite beinga single, we're gonna have a
listen to Peel Out, which is thefirst track from the Dead Ringer
I'd recommend that you go andfind the video on YouTube, just
so that you can go, What?
Like Sam's about to.
Sam (28:13):
Brilliant.
I've not watched it yet.
Emma (28:14):
Enjoy.
That was Peel Out.
Sam, any thoughts?
Sam (28:31):
This song does rock more than I thought it would.
Emma (28:33):
Okay.
Sam (28:34):
It is a bit weedy still.
Yeah.
And I think some of that is toblame on the mix.
I would quite enjoy hearing it,I think,
Emma (28:41):
Mm.
Sam (28:42):
The mix feels a bit flat compared to some of the other
work that they do.
The song is alright.
it's not either of their bestwork.
It's the story of how Meat Loaffailed his driving
Emma (28:54):
It does seem to be, yes.
He wants to go on all
Sam (28:57):
colours.
All the colours, red and thegreen.
There is one pair of lines,which, when I was listening to
it yesterday, I picked up on asabsolute classic Steinman.
Go on.
My body's the car and my soul'sthe ignition.
Your love will be the key andwe'll jockey for position.
Yeah,
Emma (29:11):
It's stunning, isn't it?
Stunningly stupid.
Sam (29:14):
The rest of it is quite generic y 80s rock song.
Emma (29:17):
Yeah, it's the first track from Dead Ringer, which is the
album that we know that Jimdidn't really want to write.
He's not really involved in itbeyond writing the songs, so he
doesn't get involved in theproduction.
Sam (29:27):
okay.
That explains it..
Emma (29:28):
There is a line in here that is recycled elsewhere.
Tire tracks and broken hearts.
That's all we're leaving behind.
Which is used in A Kiss is aTerrible Thing to Waste as I
mentioned earlier So that linksall of these
Sam (29:41):
these songs together.
Look at Bonus points forCrossland! Thank
Emma (29:45):
you This is the first track and It feels like it's
trying to imitate the firsttrack on Bat Out of Hell.
Yeah.
With the motorbike noises thatdo sound more like a motorbike
than previous attempt.
And I suspect, I don't know,because there's so little
written about this album.
cares about it.
Jim gives zero fucks about AndMeat Loaf, in his own biography,
(30:09):
barely touches on it.
It mostly talks about variouslitigious bits and pieces
instead.
Sam (30:15):
I do find it funny that slates Jim's solo album for
trying to imitate Bat Out ofHell too much.
And then we just get theimitation
Emma (30:25):
imitation of there's an article written by whoever it is
that writes for Crowd Full ofPockets.
I don't know if you've comeacross this site before
Sam (30:34):
not off the top of my head.
Emma (30:35):
Most of what Jim did and has done are reworkings of The
Dream Engine, as we've talkedabout before.
Sam (30:42):
Sorry, do you mean?
Emma (30:44):
The Dream Engine.
Engine.
And engines.
Dreams.
Sam (30:52):
Dream Dream, Oh, I thought I wouldn't find one then
Emma (31:03):
yeah, so most of what he'd written was for said set piece.
I'm frightened of saying thewords in case I set you off
again.
and he kept trying to perfectthis, but, the stuff Bad for
Good was intended with that inmind as well.
Dead Ringer, he had to come tocompletely fresh.
Yeah.
Because it was just like pleasewrite Meat Loaf something for
his follow up album now thatyou've just used up all of the
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songs that you'd got planned forhim.
This is a quote from Crowd Fullof Pockets"On Dead Ringer, we're
not getting another set of songswritten with the Dream Engine in
mind, but rather a consciousrecreation of the album that
resulted from it last time.
It's sort of a copy of a copysituation, and that's how it
feels" I've listened to thewhole album many times cause I
(31:47):
discovered this when I was 12, Ithink?
Sam (31:51):
Meat Loaf Memories?
So I
Emma (31:56):
At the age of 12, I was desperate to find more music but
I didn't have any money.
So buying my own stuff and,discovering things is hard.
This is pre internet.
Yes.
So finding stuff is largelybased on the taste of your
parents or siblings in yourcase.
I have none.
And so I would go through myparents record collection
(32:17):
looking for things that Ithought might be exciting and
interesting.
I found this on vinyl in mymum's stash of records and gave
it a listen.
Because of course I loved BatOut of Hell 2, but didn't have
anything else to really workwith.
So this is quite early big musicfor me.
I was really excited to findanother Meat Loaf album in the
house.
(32:37):
And I listened to it, and I wasreally surprised by a number of
things.
But the thing that took me backmore than anything was his
voice.
Because you listen to MeatLoaf's voice on this album, and
it doesn't sound like him at anyother time.
Obviously it's partly to do withthe productionn, but this is
like after he's recovered fromlosing his voice, And he's not
(32:59):
there yet.
The vocal's strained, and Ithink he struggles through the
songs on this album.
Yeah.
Because he's just not at hisvocal best.
It just, it sounded really oddto me.
I thought that maybe this hadcome before Bat Out of Hell,
before I knew the difference.
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because in a way it sounds likea younger,
Sam (33:22):
less It does polished It does, doesn't it?
You're right.
If you had heard those twoalbums.
You would assume that
Emma (33:29):
Dead
Sam (33:29):
Dead Ringer was the prototype to what would become
Bat out of Hell.
Emma (33:34):
I could find hardly anything on Jim's own website
about it, apart from a fewarticles praising the album,
because, of course, those arethe only articles that he kept
You
Sam (33:44):
keep your bad reviews?
Emma (33:46):
Locked in my head forever.
Sam (33:48):
Yeah, but not on your website, surely.
Emma (33:50):
website, Sam?
Sam (33:51):
I maintain your website, Emma, and it's very out of date.
Emma (33:55):
Yeah, we really should put the gigs on there, shouldn't we?
Sounds Magazine, 1981 gives itfive stars out of five.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Which seems bold.
There's been a few interestingthings that I've found as a
result of looking into this.
We'll talk about the videofirst, I think.
Sam (34:15):
Yeah, that's weird, isn't it?
it's Meat Loaf in the way theNowhere Fast video is, which is
done a bit on the cheap.
Quite weird.
Emma (34:23):
video begins with city scenes while a motorbike revs.
Sam (34:27):
revs.
fame.
Emma (34:28):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Sam (34:29):
it's like early 80s New york.
It's
Emma (34:31):
early eighties.
This, this whole vibe, I'll cometo that in a minute.
So Meat Loaf gets out of a truckand runs into a house.
And then you cut to the band whoare playing on stage.
And what I've put here, one manhas lovely silky looking blonde
hair.
I wonder what conditioner heuses.
We cut between some dancing oldguy and some weirdly dressed
girls jigging along to themusic.
(34:52):
The girls don't feature again.
That's their bit.
Then suddenly Meat Loaf appearslooking wide eyed and open
mouthed at the door.
Next, some people in armysurplus combat gear are in an
office.
We don't see them again either.
They presumably are awaitingtheir time as rock and roll
Sam (35:11):
Yes.
Emma (35:12):
Meat Loaf runs downstairs, into a crowd that he can't get
through, so he hides in adifferent room, and all of this
is intercut with shots of theband playing, and this is just
the intro.
Meat Loaf starts singingaggressively into the face of a
man.
He has a short, sensiblehaircut, compared to Meat Loaf's
long hair.
I assume this means he is notjust a man, but THE
Sam (35:34):
man.
And
Emma (35:35):
meat Loaf intends to stick it to him, it grabs him by the
lapels and sings into his face.
Ooh, intimidating.
The next line of the song issung directly to the camera.
And Meat Loaf is angry.
The old bloke from earlier isshown in the background.
He's actually playing a banjoalong to the song.
Meat Loaf sings aggressivelyinto his face now.
Sam (35:54):
Yeah, that old bloke weird.
Emma (35:57):
a weird, weird thing.
Sam (36:00):
I guess he's dressed like one of the fancy doorman that
you get in New York.
Yeah.
He's in the kind of pseudomilitary
Emma (36:07):
But with his
Sam (36:09):
banjo?
But with a banjo as well.
Emma (36:11):
He runs outside now, still singing angrily, and he jumps
into the back of a red Fordpickup.
And sits awkwardly on it.
That must have hurt.
You can't sit comfortably like
Sam (36:20):
yeah, he's like astride the
Emma (36:22):
tailgate of the pickup.
Yes.
The pickup drives away with himstill sitting there.
The camera switches positions soit's in the pickup looking at
him still sat awkwardly.
With an
Sam (36:32):
an awful blue screen
Emma (36:33):
behind him.
It's not blue screen.
What?
Apparently, and I haven't seenit for real, but there are
photographs of that shoot takingplace where it is a real
Sam (36:42):
So just really low quality film?
Emma (36:44):
Just really low quality film.
Camera switches position, we seethe road disappearing behind
Meat Loaf as he continues tosing.
This shot is uncomfortably long.
And Meat Loaf does his best toham up the action, but I'm still
relieved when we cut back to theband.
This is bad GCSE drama stuff.
We keep cutting back to himstill sitting on the back of the
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truck while he sings abouttraffic lights.
And because this is a veryliteral video, when he sings
about traffic lights, we see thetraffic lights.
Finally, he climbs properly intothe back of the truck and I can
stop worrying that he's going tofall off into the road in a
grisly accident that will delayresponsible road users for
hours.
The truck stops and Meat getsoff and runs into the building.
(37:27):
He runs straight onto the stagewith all the other musicians.
Silly Meat Loaf, he's late forhis own gig.
He looks angry and confused.
I'm angry and confused by thispoint, too.
Now he joins the band for thesecond half of the song.
After a while We cut to amotorbike gang, because of
course we do.
They're riding down the road.
We're shown that Meat Loaf is inthe gang.
(37:48):
What the fuck?
The police try to block themotorbike gang, but one of them,
presumably Meat Loaf, jumps overthe cop car.
Sam (37:55):
That was so Blues Brothers,
Emma (37:57):
Yes, Yes, it was.
That was also the bit where youlooked up and said, I'm sorry,
have I like
Sam (38:02):
stopped your attention
Emma (38:03):
during this?
because suddenly it changesdirection.
So during the instrumental, MeatLoaf stalks the stage looking
furious, like the angry animalthat Jim Steinman wanted him to
be.
But he's wearing a brownwaistcoat which rather takes the
edge off the look.
Cut back to Meat Loaf and hisbiker gang, still tearing up the
road, and then for some reasonan aerial shot of some trucks on
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a road.
Then a sequence of Meat Loaf andother bikers on bikes in the
dark.
so up to this point.
All of the video has looked likea slightly overcast afternoon
then suddenly we're in the darkand it looks slightly damp as
well.
They take off into the night ontheir bikes and then it's
another daytime shot of themracing off, because continuity
doesn't exist in this world.
(38:44):
And then we're looking at thewheels of a truck for a bit.
Then a few other vehicles on theroad before finishing with the
bikes driving towards us in thedarkness again.
So what the fuck?
What?
Sam (38:57):
Don't look at me! What?
What?
I think when it goes fromovercast daytime to night time
What happened there is MeatLoaf's mum called him in for his
tea and they had to come backand finish the video afterwards.
Emma (39:13):
Yep.
So while, while digging around,I was surprised that I found a
video and this was only uploadedin 2020 by something that seems
to be a bit of a project ofrejigging some of the Dead
Ringer stuff, and there's allsorts there.
The project will be released asa big folder on some sort of
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Google drive or something.
Will include a remastered album.
movie.
Sam (39:40):
Hello, what?
Emma (39:42):
Yeah this is my submission for Film Club.
Do you remember at the beginningof today's show where I talked
about Meat Loaf playing his ownsuperfan in a film about him
Sam (39:52):
do remember that.
That is
Emma (39:53):
is this
Sam (39:54):
mackerel.
Emma (39:55):
Dead ringer the movie is on YouTube waiting for
Sam (39:59):
us So it's on YouTube, so that presumably means it sank at
the time.
Emma (40:03):
don't think it ever was released there's been the odd
screening, but I don't think itwas ever released properly but I
think we will have a screening.
Sam (40:10):
Oh, that's exciting got four more episodes in this
series, Emma.
Nobody had better mention anymore films, because we are
locked in.
Emma (40:21):
Do you want to hear what the people of the internet have
to say?
Sam (40:25):
Only if you say it more
Emma (40:26):
Do you want to hear what the people of the internet have
to say?
Most of the comments beneath thevideo were just Oh, Meat Loaf
was amazing.
Oh, I miss him.
R.
I.
P.
All of that sort of thing.
the only thing that piqued myinterest from at break fluid
last name, 2, 400.
ha
Sam (40:45):
ha!
Emma (40:47):
I passed my driving test the other day, and yesterday I
went out for a drive by myselffor the very first time.
Wasn't sure what song I wantedto listen to for the very first
drive, but I ended up settlingon Peel Out, which I'm very,
very happy with.
Brilliant tune.
And I just wanna know, when youpassed your test, what was the
first song you played?
Sam (41:07):
Okay, I'll tell you the first thing that came on the
radio.
which is slightly different.
So I, I passed my testrelatively late.
I was thirty, thirty one?
Okay.
Might have just been thirty,Either way though, driving my
first car home it was the lastday of Leeds Festival, traffic
was not moving, all the roadswere closed.
I was completely overwhelmed.
(41:28):
And I'd been driving in silence,because that's what I always did
on lessons.
Yeah.
And I put the radio on.
And it was Radio 4, 4, it wasyou! Yeah, so for listeners from
the US, it's like NPR but twiceas much.
but that relaxed me.
But then the first music Ilistened to was The Pipettes
first album.
Oh, nice?
Yeah,
Emma (41:49):
I quite liked the
Sam (41:50):
Yeah.
What about you?
Emma (41:52):
I passed my driving test when I was 20.
So I've been driving for 20years I can't believe they'd let
me have a car.
Me too.
I passed on my dad's
Sam (42:05):
nice.
So do you have to get each othercards every year then?
We have to
Emma (42:08):
get each other cars every so yeah I think I played, cause
I was a bit I played a trackcalled Hope from REM's Up
Sam (42:18):
My God!
Emma (42:19):
Yeah, I know.
Sam (42:21):
Listeners! Can you beat that?
What
Emma (42:24):
was
Sam (42:24):
first song that you listened to in your first car,
driving on your own?
Do let us know,chatoutofhellatgmail.
com Double points if it was MeatLoaf, but don't pretend it was
Meat Loaf if it wasn't, becausewe'll
Emma (42:40):
I have nothing else
Sam (42:41):
Okay, shall we rate this then?
Yes.
It's another Jim Steinman song,so that's back to our Jim
Steinman rating scale.
Jim Steinman at the top, JimDeclineman at the bottom.
Jim Fineman in the middle.
It's Jim Fineman,
Emma (42:55):
It It is a Jim Fineman.
Sam (42:57):
discussion there.
Emma (42:58):
it's not bad enough to be a declineman.
Sam (43:00):
it's a fun generic 80s rock song.
Emma (43:03):
be having it on the playlist in the car.
Sam (43:05):
After the pipettes and whatever it was by R.
E.
M.
Jim Fineman.
Jim isn't it?
Yeah.
Call it.
So that was Chat Out Of Hell,Series 3, Episode
Emma (43:18):
Gosh.
Sam (43:19):
Listeners, did you agree with us on those songs?
Do you have extra song facts toshare?
Would you like to ask us toreview a different Meat Loaf or
Jim Steinman song?
Drop us an email,chatoutofhellatgmail.
com,
Emma (43:30):
Speaking of emails, do we have any?
Sam (43:32):
We certainly do.
Emma, which one would you likefirst?
Mailbag Submission or JimSteinman's Sexy Voice?
Emma (43:39):
I would like Jim Steinman's sexy voice, please
and thank you.
Sam (43:42):
This is from Claire Muncaster.
Emma (43:44):
Hi Claire.
Sam (43:44):
Hi Claire.
It's a very short one.
Glad to hear, chat out of hellis back.
I think Jim Steinman had areally sexy voice.
Great impression of him by Sam.
Can't wait for your song,Claire.
Kiss kiss.
Thanks Claire.
By inference, I have a sexyvoice, Emma.
That's what I'm taking awaythere.
Emma (44:03):
I am disappointed that my voice hasn't been declared sexy.
It has in the past, when Iworked doing telesales for a
company once.
Sam (44:13):
Do you have a sexy voice?
Drop us an email gmail.
com.
Emma, who told you about yoursexy voice?
Emma (44:19):
Some really pervy guys I spoke to on the phone.
Did
Sam (44:21):
you make any sales?
Emma (44:22):
Yes.
If you've got it, use it.
Sorry.
If you've got it, use it.
Sam (44:29):
Hi.
Would you like to buy somedouble glazing?
I'm Jim Steinman.
Thanks Claire, it's lovely toknow you're listening.
Mailbag submission.
Emma (44:45):
please.
Sam (44:46):
This is from Stephanie, Love your show.
I'm a longtime Meat fan and hadthe good fortune to see him in
concert 13 times over the years.
Awesome.
I regret not seeing
Emma (44:57):
I saw him three
Sam (45:00):
I also appreciated that Meat never took himself too
seriously, even calling one ofhis late career tours the Guilty
Pleasure Tour.
always kinda in on the joke andwas truly a legend.
Listening to your wry take onhis songs has been a joy hearing
them for the first time.
I hope you guys are enjoyinghearing many of these for the
first time as well, even whenthe reaction has been
(45:21):
incredulous.
Yes we are.
We are, like,
Emma (45:25):
we're properly enjoying this.
We're
Sam (45:27):
enjoying this.
We often take Meat Loaf and Jimto task over sometimes silly
things, sometimes massivethings, but we wouldn't be here
if we weren't fans of theirstupid, brilliant work.
I haven't heard you talk aboutthis particular song yet, but
heard someone in the Mailbagsegment talk about the Hang Cool
Teddy Bear album, and itprompted me to write in.
Wanted to know if you guys wereaware yet of the song,
(45:50):
California Isn't Big Enough ForMe.
Emma (45:53):
No.
I haven't listened
Sam (45:54):
I know you guys appreciate, loose quotes, the over the top
lyrics you've come across, so Iwanted to point out that
includes the line, I can barelyfit my dick in my pants.
Emma (46:03):
pants.
Hhha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha ha Wooh!
Sam (46:13):
Not joking, I think you just have to listen to the song
to believe it exists.
This sounds amazing.
Thank you, Stephanie.
Keep up the good work.
If you ever come to LA, wouldlove to catch your comedy.
Emma (46:24):
to catch our
Sam (46:25):
catch our comedy in LA as well.
I'm just mentally adding up thecost of a flight to L.
A.
and wondering if it's not themost expensive a gig run will
do.
A return flight to L.
A.
will cost us less than anEdinburgh run, is And if
Stephanie's guaranteed to come,we'll probably sell more than
Emma (46:45):
ha ha ha However, do keep your eye out on
crosslandandwilkinson.com forfuture shows.
Sam (46:53):
So thank you Stephanie.
So That does bring us todeciding our songs next time.
So we've had a little chat andwe've had a few requests in.
So what we're gonna do for nexttime, we're gonna randomly draw
from our mailbag of requests andassign one of them each.
So Emma, would you like to rollfor me a standard four sided
dice?
Emma (47:12):
Oh yeah, here I go.
I have rolled the
Sam (47:18):
number two came out.
Emma (47:19):
and number two has come
Sam (47:22):
have drawn Los Angeloser.
Emma (47:24):
Oh no.
Sam (47:25):
Ha ha ha ha now if you'd like to roll for me a standard
D3 or sided dice, which, as allthe nerds who are listening will
know, doesn't exist.
Emma (47:35):
You have rolled a one.
Sam (47:37):
I've got more!
Emma (47:38):
More?
Sam (47:39):
the song he wrote for the Sisters of Mercy, which Meat
Loaf later did on his very shitlast album.
That sounds quite good, that!Yeah.
But Emma, when are wereturning?.
Emma (47:50):
A little bit of a break over Christmas, but don't worry,
there'll be some treats in yourstocking.
I hate myself.
Yeah.
Do
Sam (47:58):
Do you want to retake it?
No! Okay.
we should use it.
Alright, we're using it.
Yes, There'll be some weirdbonus Christmas content that
Charlie Etheridge Nunn forced tohave, so look out for that on
Christmas Day.
Don't do anything special tolisten to it on
Emma (48:13):
sake, don't listen to it with your
Sam (48:14):
listen to it with your family.
Oh the regular episode will beon Monday the 6th of Jan, you
airy.
I say Jan, because I'm in toomuch of a hurry.
Emma (48:25):
have got a lot to do.
Sam (48:26):
I have got a lot
Emma (48:27):
to do.
Sam (48:29):
As always, please keep your general Meat Loaf thoughts and
anecdotes flying in.
Did you see Meat Loaf atMcDonald's tucking into a big
box of nugs?
Let us know! ChatOutOfHell atgmail.
com or Hashtag DearMcDonalds,please send some of your nugs to
Sam and Emma from the reallygood podcast thank you all for
listening once again.
That's been Chat Out Of Hell.
(48:49):
See you next time.
Bye.
Bow now, now.
now.
What is this?
Emma (00:01):
This is Chat Out of Hell, the only fortnightly podcast
dedicated to dissecting theworks of Meat Loaf and Jim
Steinman in more detail thanshould ever be necessary.
Sam (00:13):
Who is Meat Loaf?
Emma (00:15):
Meat Loaf is a musician who played his own superfan in a
film about himself.
Who's Jim Steinman?
Sam (00:24):
Jim Steinman is a record producer who described Bonnie
Tyler as a"Welsh dairymaid witha lusty body."
Emma (00:31):
Good grief.
Sam (00:32):
They were different times, Emma.
Emma (00:34):
Who are we?
Sam (00:35):
We are Emma Crossand and Sam Wilkinson, generic evil
business owners cursed to bevisited by the ghost of operatic
rock music past without evergetting to the bit where the
ghosts of operatic rock musicpresent and operatic rock music
future rock up and make uschange our ways.
It's
Emma (00:51):
We are recording this close to Christmas.
Yeah, this is
Sam (00:54):
episode, isn't it?
Welcome to Chat Out of Hell!Bow, now, now, now.
That gets more tuneless
Emma (01:04):
every time, doesn't It It really does.
Yeah, yeah.
How are you?
Sam (01:09):
I'm I'm alright as well.Good.
Does it ever feel weird to youthat We go to each other's
houses and we have half an hour,45 minutes of small talk before
we start
Emma (01:18):
And then we do more
Sam (01:19):
And then we pretend that we've only just walked into the
room and just, Oh, it's you! Howare you?
Emma (01:23):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It is weird.
Also, if I ever really told youhow I was, I think that would
be, socially unacceptable for apodcast.
Absolutely.
Sam (01:30):
And for a friendship.
Emma (01:34):
I'm fine.
Everything's fine.
Sam (01:35):
a man from the Victorian ages, Emma.
Emma (01:37):
It's okay, I'm not going to emote at you, it's fine.
You're safe.
Bantz over?
Sam (01:45):
I guess
Emma (01:46):
so.
Yeah, probably.
Sam (01:48):
So this is Chat Out of Hell and this is a podcast where two
comedians, what is us, talkabout the songs of Meat Loaf and
Jim Steinman, what is somemusicians from the past.
Every episode we both bring aMeat Loaf or Jim Steinman song
to dissect on our rock and rolllab table drop some facts about
(02:08):
it, listen to it, have a lovelytime, audience has a great time,
do the emails, go home.
Emma (02:16):
Rock and
Sam (02:17):
Sounds good,
Emma (02:18):
doesn't it?
Yeah, yeah.
It sounds great when you lay itout like
Sam (02:20):
It is, yeah, That's how I do agendas for meetings at work
as well.
Right lads, we're gonna do rockand roll, then we're gonna do
this, then it's mailbag.
There's always a mailbag
Emma (02:30):
Mailbag! Do you get fan mail at
Sam (02:33):
yeah, yeah, I Hey Sam, long time listener, first time
emailer.
Can you please get thatspreadsheet back to me by
Tuesday?
know you keep ignoring myemails.
Anyway.
that's what we're going to do.
So this episode I have broughtBonnie Tyler's incredible hit,
(02:53):
Total Eclipse of the Heart,which was written by Mr Jim
Steinman
Emma (02:58):
I have brought another song written by Mr.
Jim Steinman.
And it is the first track fromMeat Loaf's second album, dead
Ringer.
And that track is called Peel
Sam (03:08):
Out Peel Out.
So listeners, go away, findthose on YouTube, Spotify,
wherever you get your musicfrom.
Wait for a busker to play it inthe town centre.
Eventually they'll get there,
Emma (03:20):
I think it might take quite a long time for them to
get round to peel out.
Sam (03:23):
Yeah, maybe.
I reckon you'll get a lot ofTotal Eclipse of the Heart
buskers.
Ambitious, but possible.
But we're gonna listen to TotalEclipse of the Heart now.
If you've never seen the videofor this, do yourselves a
favour, find that on YouTube.
Otherwise, we've all heard thesong before, right?
Everyone knows it.
everybody knows this masterpieceWe'll see you all after this
(03:45):
very short clip.
Emma (04:13):
What was that
Sam (04:14):
listeners, Emma had never seen that video before.
I assumed that everyone had seenit loads because I thought
everyone was me.
Emma (04:26):
So this Bonnie Tyler thing, obviously since we've
started doing Chat Out of Hell,you've been digging more and
more into the various works ofJim Steinman, and you've rather
fallen for our lovely Bonnie.
Were you a fan beforehand, or isthis a new thing?
Sam (04:40):
We need a new jingle for this.
I don't know how it's gonnawork.
It's not a Meat Loaf Memories,it's a Bonnie Tyler
Emma (04:49):
Memories
Sam (04:52):
This is song that's always been with me and I have lots of
lovely memories of it from beinga student and singing karaoke
and
Emma (04:59):
It's a
Sam (05:01):
It's a great karaoke song and there are a couple of
friends that it always makes methink of
Emma (05:06):
of So
Sam (05:06):
get to see very much anymore.
So it's, it's really nice.
That's
Emma (05:09):
a really nice Bonnie Tyler memory.
Sam (05:11):
It is, thank you.
Emma (05:13):
welcome.
No, like, weird awkward teenagestuff to do with it then?
It's not a classic memory then?
is it?
Sam (05:18):
not classic me both memories, no.
It is a banger of a
Emma (05:21):
It is a banger I love it.
And I'm sure that there havebeen times in my life when I've
thought, this song's about
Sam (05:28):
Yeah.
Emma (05:29):
Probably quite drunk a bad night out in in my university
days.
Doing a bit of air clutchingwhile singing and
Sam (05:37):
have some killer lyrics in It really does.
Every now and then I get alittle bit nervous that the best
of all the years have gone
Emma (05:44):
I mean,
Sam (05:44):
God! Ow! Ow! Oh,
Emma (05:47):
that one, punches
Sam (05:49):
Yeah, but it's a lovely song.
let's start with the theme ofthe song.
What do you think that song isabout,
Emma (05:56):
Oh my God.
The video is
Sam (05:58):
is mad.
It is mad.
We'll come back to the video.
Yeah.
talk to me about themes.
Emma (06:05):
Once upon a time I was falling in love, now I'm only
falling apart.
It feels like a song aboutheartbreak.
Sam (06:10):
Wrong! It's about vampires.
Emma (06:14):
I should have known.
I should have known.
How is it about vampires?
Sam (06:21):
looks so disappointed, listeners.
Emma (06:25):
are bits of that song that touch my aching soul and now
it's about fucking
Sam (06:29):
vampires.
Jim was kicking it around for amusical based on Nosferatu, but
didn't happen.
It did end up going into Danceof the Vampires later.
So the sort of vampire y bits toit is loving in the dark.
Giving off sparks like vampiresdo.
Have
Emma (06:48):
you noticed that a lot of Jim's songs involve giving off
sparks?
Which is a theme that we need tobring into
Sam (06:54):
I was about to mention that.
because this is one of theearliest cases of Jim recycling
the shit out of things.
Here's your Total Eclipse facts.
This was the lead single fromBonnie's fifth album, Faster
Than The Speed Of Night, whichis her first collab with Jim
Steinman.
The single is four minutesthirty, the album version seven
minutes and two.
It's duet with the lovely RoryDodd.
(07:18):
Wonderful Rory.
This song stopped anotherSteinman work from getting to
number one.
Did it?
Yeah, Making Love Out of Nothingat All by Air Supply got to
number two.
Jim Steinman doesn't like airsupply so I think he's quite
happy with the outcome here.
As I've mentioned I thinkbefore, he called them"two
boring idiots from Australia".
American songwriter called thissong"a gloriously over the top
(07:40):
evocation of romantic torment"and"a garment rending, chest
beating, emotionally exhaustingballad".
right.
Yeah?
You were about to say that,weren't you?
That's
Emma (07:51):
pretty much what was on the tip of my Tongue?
Sam (07:54):
Tongue?
You can say it however you like,I just never knew you were a
Tongue guy.
Tongue?
Tongue.
Oh no, you're from that part ofthe world that's right on the
border and you're not sure.
Shit, sorry.
Emma (08:06):
Tung.
Sam (08:07):
Tongue.
Tongue.
Emma (08:09):
Tung.
Now I'm just really aware of myown tongue.
Tongue.
Tongue.
Sam (08:14):
Edit point.
I'll cut all this out.
Emma (08:17):
Um,
Sam (08:20):
So like everything Jim did after 1981, this was recycled
from various other things he'dalready done.
The melody came from thesoundtrack to the film A Small
Circle of Friends, which Jimtotally soundtracked.
I've not watched it, but it's asort of indie some people are in
love and now they're in lovewith somebody else and then
something else.
Film.
(08:40):
So I'm chucking that in for Film
Emma (08:42):
Yeah, is that going on film club Bonnie
Sam (08:44):
Tyler makes bank singing this every time a solar eclipse
happens and good on her.
Emma (08:48):
I'm pretty sure that in recent years I heard that she
was singing it on a cruiseduring a
Sam (08:53):
right, yes, there are clips of her on a cruise ship, sailing
through a solar eclipse.
It's one of these massive ships,with thousands and thousands of
people all watching her, andshe's on a stage at the front.
Her band are fucking awful.
Emma (09:08):
When I went on a cruise, which was a weird holiday I was
sat in one of the bars drinkingcocktails because we'd got a
drinks package.
So we thought we'd make the mostof it by being drunk for, I'd
say about 90 percent of ourwaking hours.
There was like a, pianistplaying lounge music, And then
all of a sudden I heard thelounge version of Radiohead's
(09:29):
Creep
Sam (09:29):
ha ha ha ha! ha!
Emma (09:32):
which was a really
Sam (09:33):
Oh my god, that sounds
Emma (09:35):
yeah, yeah, that was, quite
Sam (09:37):
awesome Da da ding, da ding, da ding.
That's a reverse John Lewis ad,isn't
Emma (09:42):
they?
Yeah.
I very much enjoyed that
Sam (09:45):
line giving off spark, that comes on the song Bad For Good,
from the album, Bad For Good.
See also Invocation andFormation of the Tribe, from The
Dream Engine.
Dreams Dreams can come true.
Look at me, babe.
I'm looking at engines.
(10:09):
Thank
Emma (10:09):
Thank you!
Sam (10:10):
So that song was later rejigged into a song called
Skull of a Country for MeatLoaf.
So we're not going to listen tothe whole thing here, but it is
the, very much the proto TotalEclipse of the Heart.
The lyrics are much weirderthough.
Emma, I'd like you to give mesome turnarounds and I'll give
you the lyric in Don't have tosing it, just give me a Rory
(10:30):
Dodd turnaround.
Emma (10:31):
Turnaround.
Sam (10:33):
It's a black day dawning,
Emma (10:36):
Turn around.
Sam (10:38):
there's a corpse in mourning,
Emma (10:40):
Turn around.
Sam (10:42):
To your tin can graveyard,
Emma (10:45):
Turn around.
Sam (10:46):
To your tin foil saviour,
Emma (10:49):
there more?
Sam (10:50):
around, bright eyes, turn around, bright eyes.
And then There's another verse.
Go.
Emma (10:55):
Turn around.
Sam (10:57):
There are napalm babies screaming.
Emma (11:01):
Turn around.
Sam (11:02):
There are rivers steaming.
Emma (11:05):
Turn around.
Sam (11:07):
Give us all that you have now.
Emma (11:10):
around.
Sam (11:12):
And stop feeling bad now.
Fucking hell, Jim.
Crikey.
Emma (11:19):
mean, Wow.
You've dug up some absolutegold.
It's, that is incredible.
Sam (11:27):
So listeners, if you all need a hug, please do podcast
and go find a loved one.
Thanks for listening.
Emma (11:31):
I'm just going to cuddle the cat
Sam (11:33):
the cat The album version has two verses that were
missing, and I think they'requite nice and touching.
Yeah.
So if you can give me someturnarounds, I'll bring us up
again.
Every now and then I know you'llnever be the boy you always
wanted to be.
Emma (11:50):
Turn around.
Sam (11:51):
Every now and then I know you'll always be the only boy
who wanted me the way that I am.
Emma (11:56):
Turn around.
Sam (11:57):
Every now and then I know there's no one in the universe
as magical and wondrous as you.
Emma (12:02):
Turn
Sam (12:04):
Every now and then I know there's nothing any better,
there's nothing that I justwouldn't Jim has turned it
around there.
I
Emma (12:13):
I prefer the bit about the Napalm baby.
Napalm Babies is the title of mynew band.
Sam (12:22):
Oh God.
Yeah, your ukulele folk band.
My ukulele
Emma (12:26):
funk band, Napalm Babies.
Sam (12:28):
Oh, lovely.
nice.
That's nice.
Emma.
Emma (12:31):
Yeah.
hey Sam, how did Jim and Bonniecome to work together?
Sam (12:36):
Oh, what a great prompt.
Thanks, Emma.
She first hits fame in 1978 witha song called It's a Heartache..
That does alright, it gets tolike number four ish in the UK,
slightly worse in the US.
But then disappears again.
She's just meh.
In 1981 she switched managementrecord companies and she asked
Jim to produce her.
Because she had seen the MeatLoaf performance on the Old Grey
(12:57):
Whistle Test.
And she was a massive mega fanof Meat Loaf.
Emma (13:01):
The old gray whistle test did a lot of good for
Sam (13:04):
didn't it?
It did, yeah.
It absolutely made both theircareers.
She says,"I didn't expect Jim tosay yes to producing me, I only
asked him because I'm a huge fanof his records, especially his
solo album".
Emma (13:16):
Aww.
Sam (13:17):
Yeah.
bless her.
Nobody is especially a fan ofhis solo album.
Especially when at the time theonly records we're talking about
are Bat Out of Hell and the
Emma (13:27):
Sun.
Sam (13:27):
album.
Bonnie Fact, she represented theUK in Eurovision in 2013,
Emma (13:34):
Did she?
unaware of
Sam (13:37):
She landed somewhere mid table and then sat in the green
room getting
Emma (13:42):
ha ha!
Sam (13:44):
Good on But what does Jim think about Bonnie?
Emma (13:47):
ha! ha ha this is going to go well.
Sam (13:50):
"I always thought she had a great voice", he says.
"She reminds me of CreedenceClearwater Revival's John
Fogarty, probably my favouritemale rock'n'roll singer." Is
that a compliment?
Emma (14:01):
Hard to say.
Sam (14:03):
Not only Jim, but a lot of people compare Bonnie to a
female Rod Stewart.
Emma (14:09):
I can see that with the gravelly
Sam (14:12):
Yeah, but it's also quite an unkind comparison.
This is interview with SmashRock Anthems for ITV.
"I think she had the perfectvoice for Total Eclipse.
It sounded so sensual but soravaged.
It sounded heroic that she couldsing at all." Does that sound
familiar to you?
Emma (14:30):
It rings a bell.
Sam (14:33):
Back when we were talking about Meat Loaf's last album,
Jim's press piece said,"MeatLoaf is absolutely heroic in his
ravaged voice."
Emma (14:41):
Not only does Jim recycle music and lyrics and themes, he
also recycles press releases.
Sam (14:51):
Just comments on people he knows.
Emma (14:53):
Amazing.
Sam (14:54):
"Her voice sounds like Rod Stewart in the middle of an
orgasm."
Emma (14:58):
What?
Yes.
Sam (15:01):
Somehow he meant that in a good way., they get on very
well.
Jim produced two albums forBonnie.
He wrote, I think, four or fivesongs for her one of which was
Ravishing, which I've alreadybrought to the table and
Emma (15:14):
you made me
Sam (15:16):
It's amazing, Emma.
I just think you are still underthe Hulk Hogan shadow.
This was produced at the powerstation in New York, where Jim
did a lot of his work in theearly 80s.
He worked with a couple ofengineers called Neil Dorfsmann
and John Janssen.
Neil recalls that Steinmanwasn't very experienced at the
(15:37):
time.
He says he's grateful that JohnJanssen was there to talk Jim
down from an idea like,"We needmore cannons in the bridge."
'Jim, we can't have any morecannons, Dorfsmann recounts,
adding that they were created onthe synth.
'Just like Todd Rundgren and themotorcycle.
Emma (15:55):
Did Jim want to wheel actual cannons in?
Sam (15:57):
cannons?
I believe so.
Rory Dodd gave a very technicaland detailed explanation about
how they did the backgroundvocals.
Complicated and difficult is thegist that I got from it, but
then he says,"It was 2am when wefinished recording a 10 hour
session during the backgrounds.
I thought we were done when Jimpiped in,'Hey Icy!" We all
(16:18):
recall that Rory Dodd is calledIcy.
Do you want to sing the duetparts now?' I wanna go home,
Jim.
But I acquiesced".
Because Icy's such a nice guy.
Emma (16:28):
is a nice guy.
Also
Sam (16:29):
We're often quite disparaging about Jim.
And he makes it very easy to beso.
but people do have nice thingsto say about him long days of
recordings that could have goneon for five to seven days.
But Jim was very supportive ofthe team.
He was constantly ordering giantpiles of food for everyone.
And people have said this abouthim in other points as well.
He was a very generous man tohis friends.
(16:50):
You'd go to a restaurant withJim, he would order the whole
menu and just have whatever,it's fine.
Sometimes I think we're a bittoo down on Jim because he says
incredibly stupid and cruelthings about his friends.
But he seems to be genuinelyliked by people in the industry
as shall we talk about the musicvideo now?
Yes.
Emma (17:09):
Yes.
Sam (17:09):
The video for this song features Bonnie Tyler in a sort
of dreamscape in a big
Emma (17:16):
it is a very sort of classic Jim
Sam (17:18):
video.
Yeah, there's lots of blowycurtains.
Bonnie has massive hair blowingin the wind everywhere.
There's candles streaming in thewind and then
Emma (17:28):
got a bit of a gothic
Sam (17:29):
it's got a very gothic vibe to it and then we get to a lot
of teenage boys who arealternately doing ballet or
backflips or fencing or justaround being shirtless or taking
the bright eyes thing incrediblyliterally because they all
suddenly have glowing eyes.
There's a choir of youngerteenage boys who sing Turn
(17:50):
Around Bright Eyes and then oneof them flies towards
Emma (17:53):
Yeah, that's quite is that being a vampire?
Sam (17:56):
I guess that's part of the being a vampire, yeah, it's the
Lost Boys thing.
then we cut to the coda scenewhere it's day and it's outside
of what is clearly a boardingschool.
And Bonnie, I think is beingintroduced as a new teacher to
the boys.
Emma (18:10):
She's looking very smart
Sam (18:11):
very smart in her black tie and suit, and she's shaking
hands with the boys, which is,that never happened when I met a
new
Emma (18:18):
teacher in high school.
Sam (18:20):
They never paraded, yes.
But as she shakes hands with oneof the boys, he has bright eyes
and sings, turn around brighteyes, which she finds a bit
shocking.
And then it happens again, andthe boys all push past her and
go into school.
Typical boys.
It's
Emma (18:39):
I assume that as she was then their new teacher, that
they systematically tried towork out her weak points and
destroyed her
Sam (18:46):
Undermined her from within.
Emma (18:48):
Yeah,
Sam (18:48):
Yeah,
Emma (18:48):
I enjoyed it when the boys were ballet ninjas.
Sam (18:51):
Yes, they were ninjas.
Here's a quote for you.
So this video is directed by ourold pal Russell Mulcahy, who
directed The Shadow.
Emma (18:59):
The Shadow.
Sam (18:59):
The Shadow.
with Alec Baldwin.
Alec so here's Russell'sremembrances.
"Jim is fabulously, fabulouslycrazy.
We would banter ideas over abottle of red wine.
I'd say, let's set it in aschool and have ninjas in one
(19:23):
And he'd say, let's have a choirboy with glowing eyeballs.
Emma (19:28):
God,
Sam (19:28):
We shot it in an old abandoned insane asylum in
London.
We had one sequence, which wasSteinman's idea, where a
shirtless young boy is holding adove and he throws it at the
camera in slow motion.
Bonnie came around the cornerand screamed in her Welsh
accent, YOU'RE NOTHING BUT AFUCKING Prevert
Emma (19:48):
Prevert?
Sam (19:48):
then she stormed off.
There was nothing perverseintended, the imagery was meant
to be pure.
Maybe slightly erotic and gothicand creepy, but pure.
Anyway, the video went to numberone and a year later, Bonnie's
people rang up and asked if Iwould direct her new video.
"And I told them to fuck off,because I was insulted about
(20:08):
being called a fucking pervert.
And I was a little mad becausepervert wasn't pronounced
correctly".
Yep.
absolutely Bonnie says"it's afantastic video, I don't like
the way I look in it with allthat curly hair, I look like a
bloody poodle".
(20:29):
Emma, would you like a quiz?
Emma (20:31):
Always.
Sam (20:31):
Bonnie Tyler is actually a stage name.
So which of these was the nameshe was born under?
Is it A.
Sannie Carlson?
Is it B.
Gaynor Hopkins?
Or is it C, Nicki French?
Emma (20:54):
I'm going to go with Gaynor.
Sam (20:56):
was Gaynor Hopkins, yeah.
There we go.
Do you recognise either of thosetwo other names?
Sannie Carlson is the real nameof Whigfield, singer of the
Emma (21:04):
the electric
Sam (21:06):
smash Saturday Night.
Emma (21:08):
okay, well done.
Sam (21:09):
Nicki French
Emma (21:10):
Yeah.
Sang this
Sam (21:10):
this
Emma (21:13):
this feels very 90s.
Music (21:21):
Every get a little bit lonely and you never come
around, turn around.
Every now and then I get alittle bit tired of listening to
the sound of my tears,
Sam (21:34):
Do you not remember that one from your raving days?
Sam
Emma (21:36):
just handed out the glow sticks.
ha ha ha!
Sam (21:40):
you remember that?
No.
That was 1994, and as I wasresearching this one, found it
and I played it and I had amassive like, fuck I do remember
this! I mean I was eight yearsold at the time, but I remember
this being on the radio.
the
Emma (21:53):
Oh my god.
Yeah.
Sam (21:55):
That went to number five in the UK, number two in the US.
Emma (21:57):
Crikey.
Sam (21:58):
There's a couple of other interesting covers that I'd like
to share with you.
now.
Okay.
We'll go back to Bonnie Tylerfirst.
She's re recorded this a lot oftimes.
As her voice has matured, itsounds a little bit better every
time.
But in 2003, she re recorded itas a bilingual duet with a
French singer, Karine Anton,under the name of Si Demain.
The song is alright, but thevideo is so diametrically
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opposite to the video you'vejust seen that I have to share
it with you.
Emma (22:24):
Okie
Sam (22:24):
dokie.
Music (22:25):
Tu sais que quelquefois j'ai peur de toi.
Tu sais que quelquefois j'aipeur de moi.
J'ai tant besoin de toi.
Emma (22:36):
That video was that about two women that run away together
to go and raise
Sam (22:40):
huskies Yes it was! Much as the Nikki French version was so
90s, this was the most early2000s video you could get.
Emma (22:52):
I like the Husky Puppies,
Sam (22:53):
was good, it was, it was one of those, I don't know the
name of the genre.
An un rom com where Kareen Antonis in a not an abusive
relationship she just doesn'tlike her partner very much and
she leaves him and she movesBonnie Tyler in a cabin in the
snow
Emma (23:11):
where they Aww.
Sam (23:14):
I He's lovely!
Emma (23:14):
that is the dream, isn't it?
Yeah.
Sam (23:18):
That went to number one in Belgium, France and Poland.
Emma (23:20):
Did it?
Sam (23:22):
Loads of covers, most of which I will skip over.
Westlife did one.
Their version is boring.
But Jim produced one of theremixes.
Which the label didn't want, butthat remix has found its way to
the internet.
Most of it is still shit, butthe first 40 seconds are
absolutely killer.
so So check this out.
Emma (23:52):
heh, heh.
God.
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Nothing they can do after thatintro is going to
Sam (24:24):
No, no.
Emma (24:25):
It's just, they are
Sam (24:29):
Yeah, yeah, that was real bat two Jim production
Emma (24:32):
It does remind me of A Kiss is a Terrible Thing to
Waste, which I know is alsoAround that
Sam (24:38):
Yeah, broadly.
when Bonnie asked to work withhim, Jim actually gives her a
test.
He invites her over and he playsher a couple of records.
And if she didn't like theserecords, they're not going to
work together.
It was a Credence record and Ican't remember what the other
one was, but they end upcovering them on that first
album.
But I can't picture.
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What he did with West Life.
Emma (25:01):
Was that a stage where yeah, I'll just
Sam (25:02):
it.
Whatever.
Yeah, I
Emma (25:04):
Just give me the money
Sam (25:05):
now actually.
Emma (25:06):
need to like, I
Sam (25:07):
to like, I need to pay my choir
Emma (25:08):
I need to pay my choir and my restaurant bills are getting
ridiculous.
Sam (25:12):
That is almost it for covers.
I've got one more to brieflyplay for you.
In 2019, in the Canto Uma ParaMim segment on Brazilian
television programme AlertaAmazonas, this song was
performed by contestant PriscilaMunhoz, who did not know how to
speak English, and insteadsubstituted her own gibberish
lyrics.
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She was eliminated from theprogramme, but this video went
viral as a
Emma (25:54):
Lots of N's in there.
Yeah.
Sam (25:57):
I just love it because that is how English sounds to people
who don't speak English.
Yeah.
And it's, it's interestinghearing that because
Emma (26:04):
interesting.
Sam (26:06):
So yeah, she went totally viral and there's several clips
of her, singing her cover onlike big prime time Brazilian
shows., Bonnie Tyler video, overa billion views on YouTube.
And that is over 37 pence inYouTube ad revenue.
But Emma, what do the people ofthe internet think?
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I'd love to know.
Johnzed85, My aunt Jeanette usedto babysit me and play this over
and over again on the recordplayer.
She danced very drunkenly with aglass of cheap wine in her hand.
She'd always throw the glass atmy little brother and scream.
Her hair caught fire in thesummer of 89.
They say she fell asleep whilesmoking.
(26:47):
I can still smell her hairspray.
She used too much of that stuff.
Very flammable.
Emma (26:55):
Some people tell the internet things that should only
be spoken to a
Sam (26:59):
Yeah, like confessing to setting fire to their aunt's
hair.
Because that's definitely what
Emma (27:04):
Yeah, that's,
Sam (27:05):
that's, that's, Yeah thanks, Johnz85.
Yeah.
Is time to rate this song.
For those new to our podcast, wealways rate our songs on our
patented copyrighted trademarks.
organic, homegrown Jim SteinmanMeat Loaf song rating scales.
Today we're using our JimSteinman scale, so we go from
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Jim Steinman at the top, JimFineman in the middle, all the
way down to Jim Declineman atthe bottom.
I don't think there's anydiscussion It's
Emma (27:36):
absolutely a Jim Declineman.
Sam (27:39):
And that was chat out of hell, thank you for listening.
Emma (27:42):
the over forever.
I'm kidding, of course it's JimSteinman.
Sam (27:47):
Of course it's Jim Steinman! There we go, total
eclipse of the heart.
Emma, what was your song?
Emma (27:54):
We do have another Jim Steinman song, but it's perhaps
not as well known, despite beinga single, we're gonna have a
listen to Peel Out, which is thefirst track from the Dead Ringer
I'd recommend that you go andfind the video on YouTube, just
so that you can go, What?
Like Sam's about to.
Sam (28:13):
Brilliant.
I've not watched it yet.
Emma (28:14):
Enjoy.
That was Peel Out.
Sam, any thoughts?
Sam (28:31):
This song does rock more than I thought it would.
Emma (28:33):
Okay.
Sam (28:34):
It is a bit weedy still.
Yeah.
And I think some of that is toblame on the mix.
I would quite enjoy hearing it,I think,
Emma (28:41):
Mm.
Sam (28:42):
The mix feels a bit flat compared to some of the other
work that they do.
The song is alright.
it's not either of their bestwork.
It's the story of how Meat Loaffailed his driving
Emma (28:54):
It does seem to be, yes.
He wants to go on all
Sam (28:57):
colours.
All the colours, red and thegreen.
There is one pair of lines,which, when I was listening to
it yesterday, I picked up on asabsolute classic Steinman.
Go on.
My body's the car and my soul'sthe ignition.
Your love will be the key andwe'll jockey for position.
Yeah,
Emma (29:11):
It's stunning, isn't it?
Stunningly stupid.
Sam (29:14):
The rest of it is quite generic y 80s rock song.
Emma (29:17):
Yeah, it's the first track from Dead Ringer, which is the
album that we know that Jimdidn't really want to write.
He's not really involved in itbeyond writing the songs, so he
doesn't get involved in theproduction.
Sam (29:27):
okay.
That explains it..
Emma (29:28):
There is a line in here that is recycled elsewhere.
Tire tracks and broken hearts.
That's all we're leaving behind.
Which is used in A Kiss is aTerrible Thing to Waste as I
mentioned earlier So that linksall of these
Sam (29:41):
these songs together.
Look at Bonus points forCrossland! Thank
Emma (29:45):
you This is the first track and It feels like it's
trying to imitate the firsttrack on Bat Out of Hell.
Yeah.
With the motorbike noises thatdo sound more like a motorbike
than previous attempt.
And I suspect, I don't know,because there's so little
written about this album.
cares about it.
Jim gives zero fucks about AndMeat Loaf, in his own biography,
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barely touches on it.
It mostly talks about variouslitigious bits and pieces
instead.
Sam (30:15):
I do find it funny that slates Jim's solo album for
trying to imitate Bat Out ofHell too much.
And then we just get theimitation
Emma (30:25):
imitation of there's an article written by whoever it is
that writes for Crowd Full ofPockets.
I don't know if you've comeacross this site before
Sam (30:34):
not off the top of my head.
Emma (30:35):
Most of what Jim did and has done are reworkings of The
Dream Engine, as we've talkedabout before.
Sam (30:42):
Sorry, do you mean?
Emma (30:44):
The Dream Engine.
Engine.
And engines.
Dreams.
Sam (30:52):
Dream Dream, Oh, I thought I wouldn't find one then
Emma (31:03):
yeah, so most of what he'd written was for said set piece.
I'm frightened of saying thewords in case I set you off
again.
and he kept trying to perfectthis, but, the stuff Bad for
Good was intended with that inmind as well.
Dead Ringer, he had to come tocompletely fresh.
Yeah.
Because it was just like pleasewrite Meat Loaf something for
his follow up album now thatyou've just used up all of the
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songs that you'd got planned forhim.
This is a quote from Crowd Fullof Pockets"On Dead Ringer, we're
not getting another set of songswritten with the Dream Engine in
mind, but rather a consciousrecreation of the album that
resulted from it last time.
It's sort of a copy of a copysituation, and that's how it
feels" I've listened to thewhole album many times cause I
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discovered this when I was 12, Ithink?
Sam (31:51):
Meat Loaf Memories?
So I
Emma (31:56):
At the age of 12, I was desperate to find more music but
I didn't have any money.
So buying my own stuff and,discovering things is hard.
This is pre internet.
Yes.
So finding stuff is largelybased on the taste of your
parents or siblings in yourcase.
I have none.
And so I would go through myparents record collection
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looking for things that Ithought might be exciting and
interesting.
I found this on vinyl in mymum's stash of records and gave
it a listen.
Because of course I loved BatOut of Hell 2, but didn't have
anything else to really workwith.
So this is quite early big musicfor me.
I was really excited to findanother Meat Loaf album in the
house.
(32:37):
And I listened to it, and I wasreally surprised by a number of
things.
But the thing that took me backmore than anything was his
voice.
Because you listen to MeatLoaf's voice on this album, and
it doesn't sound like him at anyother time.
Obviously it's partly to do withthe productionn, but this is
like after he's recovered fromlosing his voice, And he's not
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there yet.
The vocal's strained, and Ithink he struggles through the
songs on this album.
Yeah.
Because he's just not at hisvocal best.
It just, it sounded really oddto me.
I thought that maybe this hadcome before Bat Out of Hell,
before I knew the difference.
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because in a way it sounds likea younger,
Sam (33:22):
less It does polished It does, doesn't it?
You're right.
If you had heard those twoalbums.
You would assume that
Emma (33:29):
Dead
Sam (33:29):
Dead Ringer was the prototype to what would become
Bat out of Hell.
Emma (33:34):
I could find hardly anything on Jim's own website
about it, apart from a fewarticles praising the album,
because, of course, those arethe only articles that he kept
You
Sam (33:44):
keep your bad reviews?
Emma (33:46):
Locked in my head forever.
Sam (33:48):
Yeah, but not on your website, surely.
Emma (33:50):
website, Sam?
Sam (33:51):
I maintain your website, Emma, and it's very out of date.
Emma (33:55):
Yeah, we really should put the gigs on there, shouldn't we?
Sounds Magazine, 1981 gives itfive stars out of five.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Which seems bold.
There's been a few interestingthings that I've found as a
result of looking into this.
We'll talk about the videofirst, I think.
Sam (34:15):
Yeah, that's weird, isn't it?
it's Meat Loaf in the way theNowhere Fast video is, which is
done a bit on the cheap.
Quite weird.
Emma (34:23):
video begins with city scenes while a motorbike revs.
Sam (34:27):
revs.
fame.
Emma (34:28):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Sam (34:29):
it's like early 80s New york.
It's
Emma (34:31):
early eighties.
This, this whole vibe, I'll cometo that in a minute.
So Meat Loaf gets out of a truckand runs into a house.
And then you cut to the band whoare playing on stage.
And what I've put here, one manhas lovely silky looking blonde
hair.
I wonder what conditioner heuses.
We cut between some dancing oldguy and some weirdly dressed
girls jigging along to themusic.
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The girls don't feature again.
That's their bit.
Then suddenly Meat Loaf appearslooking wide eyed and open
mouthed at the door.
Next, some people in armysurplus combat gear are in an
office.
We don't see them again either.
They presumably are awaitingtheir time as rock and roll
Sam (35:11):
Yes.
Emma (35:12):
Meat Loaf runs downstairs, into a crowd that he can't get
through, so he hides in adifferent room, and all of this
is intercut with shots of theband playing, and this is just
the intro.
Meat Loaf starts singingaggressively into the face of a
man.
He has a short, sensiblehaircut, compared to Meat Loaf's
long hair.
I assume this means he is notjust a man, but THE
Sam (35:34):
man.
And
Emma (35:35):
meat Loaf intends to stick it to him, it grabs him by the
lapels and sings into his face.
Ooh, intimidating.
The next line of the song issung directly to the camera.
And Meat Loaf is angry.
The old bloke from earlier isshown in the background.
He's actually playing a banjoalong to the song.
Meat Loaf sings aggressivelyinto his face now.
Sam (35:54):
Yeah, that old bloke weird.
Emma (35:57):
a weird, weird thing.
Sam (36:00):
I guess he's dressed like one of the fancy doorman that
you get in New York.
Yeah.
He's in the kind of pseudomilitary
Emma (36:07):
But with his
Sam (36:09):
banjo?
But with a banjo as well.
Emma (36:11):
He runs outside now, still singing angrily, and he jumps
into the back of a red Fordpickup.
And sits awkwardly on it.
That must have hurt.
You can't sit comfortably like
Sam (36:20):
yeah, he's like astride the
Emma (36:22):
tailgate of the pickup.
Yes.
The pickup drives away with himstill sitting there.
The camera switches positions soit's in the pickup looking at
him still sat awkwardly.
With an
Sam (36:32):
an awful blue screen
Emma (36:33):
behind him.
It's not blue screen.
What?
Apparently, and I haven't seenit for real, but there are
photographs of that shoot takingplace where it is a real
Sam (36:42):
So just really low quality film?
Emma (36:44):
Just really low quality film.
Camera switches position, we seethe road disappearing behind
Meat Loaf as he continues tosing.
This shot is uncomfortably long.
And Meat Loaf does his best toham up the action, but I'm still
relieved when we cut back to theband.
This is bad GCSE drama stuff.
We keep cutting back to himstill sitting on the back of the
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truck while he sings abouttraffic lights.
And because this is a veryliteral video, when he sings
about traffic lights, we see thetraffic lights.
Finally, he climbs properly intothe back of the truck and I can
stop worrying that he's going tofall off into the road in a
grisly accident that will delayresponsible road users for
hours.
The truck stops and Meat getsoff and runs into the building.
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He runs straight onto the stagewith all the other musicians.
Silly Meat Loaf, he's late forhis own gig.
He looks angry and confused.
I'm angry and confused by thispoint, too.
Now he joins the band for thesecond half of the song.
After a while We cut to amotorbike gang, because of
course we do.
They're riding down the road.
We're shown that Meat Loaf is inthe gang.
(37:48):
What the fuck?
The police try to block themotorbike gang, but one of them,
presumably Meat Loaf, jumps overthe cop car.
Sam (37:55):
That was so Blues Brothers,
Emma (37:57):
Yes, Yes, it was.
That was also the bit where youlooked up and said, I'm sorry,
have I like
Sam (38:02):
stopped your attention
Emma (38:03):
during this?
because suddenly it changesdirection.
So during the instrumental, MeatLoaf stalks the stage looking
furious, like the angry animalthat Jim Steinman wanted him to
be.
But he's wearing a brownwaistcoat which rather takes the
edge off the look.
Cut back to Meat Loaf and hisbiker gang, still tearing up the
road, and then for some reasonan aerial shot of some trucks on
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a road.
Then a sequence of Meat Loaf andother bikers on bikes in the
dark.
so up to this point.
All of the video has looked likea slightly overcast afternoon
then suddenly we're in the darkand it looks slightly damp as
well.
They take off into the night ontheir bikes and then it's
another daytime shot of themracing off, because continuity
doesn't exist in this world.
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And then we're looking at thewheels of a truck for a bit.
Then a few other vehicles on theroad before finishing with the
bikes driving towards us in thedarkness again.
So what the fuck?
What?
Sam (38:57):
Don't look at me! What?
What?
I think when it goes fromovercast daytime to night time
What happened there is MeatLoaf's mum called him in for his
tea and they had to come backand finish the video afterwards.
Emma (39:13):
Yep.
So while, while digging around,I was surprised that I found a
video and this was only uploadedin 2020 by something that seems
to be a bit of a project ofrejigging some of the Dead
Ringer stuff, and there's allsorts there.
The project will be released asa big folder on some sort of
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Google drive or something.
Will include a remastered album.
movie.
Sam (39:40):
Hello, what?
Emma (39:42):
Yeah this is my submission for Film Club.
Do you remember at the beginningof today's show where I talked
about Meat Loaf playing his ownsuperfan in a film about him
Sam (39:52):
do remember that.
That is
Emma (39:53):
is this
Sam (39:54):
mackerel.
Emma (39:55):
Dead ringer the movie is on YouTube waiting for
Sam (39:59):
us So it's on YouTube, so that presumably means it sank at
the time.
Emma (40:03):
don't think it ever was released there's been the odd
screening, but I don't think itwas ever released properly but I
think we will have a screening.
Sam (40:10):
Oh, that's exciting got four more episodes in this
series, Emma.
Nobody had better mention anymore films, because we are
locked in.
Emma (40:21):
Do you want to hear what the people of the internet have
to say?
Sam (40:25):
Only if you say it more
Emma (40:26):
Do you want to hear what the people of the internet have
to say?
Most of the comments beneath thevideo were just Oh, Meat Loaf
was amazing.
Oh, I miss him.
R.
I.
P.
All of that sort of thing.
the only thing that piqued myinterest from at break fluid
last name, 2, 400.
ha
Sam (40:45):
ha!
Emma (40:47):
I passed my driving test the other day, and yesterday I
went out for a drive by myselffor the very first time.
Wasn't sure what song I wantedto listen to for the very first
drive, but I ended up settlingon Peel Out, which I'm very,
very happy with.
Brilliant tune.
And I just wanna know, when youpassed your test, what was the
first song you played?
Sam (41:07):
Okay, I'll tell you the first thing that came on the
radio.
which is slightly different.
So I, I passed my testrelatively late.
I was thirty, thirty one?
Okay.
Might have just been thirty,Either way though, driving my
first car home it was the lastday of Leeds Festival, traffic
was not moving, all the roadswere closed.
I was completely overwhelmed.
(41:28):
And I'd been driving in silence,because that's what I always did
on lessons.
Yeah.
And I put the radio on.
And it was Radio 4, 4, it wasyou! Yeah, so for listeners from
the US, it's like NPR but twiceas much.
but that relaxed me.
But then the first music Ilistened to was The Pipettes
first album.
Oh, nice?
Yeah,
Emma (41:49):
I quite liked the
Sam (41:50):
Yeah.
What about you?
Emma (41:52):
I passed my driving test when I was 20.
So I've been driving for 20years I can't believe they'd let
me have a car.
Me too.
I passed on my dad's
Sam (42:05):
nice.
So do you have to get each othercards every year then?
We have to
Emma (42:08):
get each other cars every so yeah I think I played, cause
I was a bit I played a trackcalled Hope from REM's Up
Sam (42:18):
My God!
Emma (42:19):
Yeah, I know.
Sam (42:21):
Listeners! Can you beat that?
What
Emma (42:24):
was
Sam (42:24):
first song that you listened to in your first car,
driving on your own?
Do let us know,chatoutofhellatgmail.
com Double points if it was MeatLoaf, but don't pretend it was
Meat Loaf if it wasn't, becausewe'll
Emma (42:40):
I have nothing else
Sam (42:41):
Okay, shall we rate this then?
Yes.
It's another Jim Steinman song,so that's back to our Jim
Steinman rating scale.
Jim Steinman at the top, JimDeclineman at the bottom.
Jim Fineman in the middle.
It's Jim Fineman,
Emma (42:55):
It It is a Jim Fineman.
Sam (42:57):
discussion there.
Emma (42:58):
it's not bad enough to be a declineman.
Sam (43:00):
it's a fun generic 80s rock song.
Emma (43:03):
be having it on the playlist in the car.
Sam (43:05):
After the pipettes and whatever it was by R.
E.
M.
Jim Fineman.
Jim isn't it?
Yeah.
Call it.
So that was Chat Out Of Hell,Series 3, Episode
Emma (43:18):
Gosh.
Sam (43:19):
Listeners, did you agree with us on those songs?
Do you have extra song facts toshare?
Would you like to ask us toreview a different Meat Loaf or
Jim Steinman song?
Drop us an email,chatoutofhellatgmail.
com,
Emma (43:30):
Speaking of emails, do we have any?
Sam (43:32):
We certainly do.
Emma, which one would you likefirst?
Mailbag Submission or JimSteinman's Sexy Voice?
Emma (43:39):
I would like Jim Steinman's sexy voice, please
and thank you.
Sam (43:42):
This is from Claire Muncaster.
Emma (43:44):
Hi Claire.
Sam (43:44):
Hi Claire.
It's a very short one.
Glad to hear, chat out of hellis back.
I think Jim Steinman had areally sexy voice.
Great impression of him by Sam.
Can't wait for your song,Claire.
Kiss kiss.
Thanks Claire.
By inference, I have a sexyvoice, Emma.
That's what I'm taking awaythere.
Emma (44:03):
I am disappointed that my voice hasn't been declared sexy.
It has in the past, when Iworked doing telesales for a
company once.
Sam (44:13):
Do you have a sexy voice?
Drop us an email gmail.
com.
Emma, who told you about yoursexy voice?
Emma (44:19):
Some really pervy guys I spoke to on the phone.
Did
Sam (44:21):
you make any sales?
Emma (44:22):
Yes.
If you've got it, use it.
Sorry.
If you've got it, use it.
Sam (44:29):
Hi.
Would you like to buy somedouble glazing?
I'm Jim Steinman.
Thanks Claire, it's lovely toknow you're listening.
Mailbag submission.
Emma (44:45):
please.
Sam (44:46):
This is from Stephanie, Love your show.
I'm a longtime Meat fan and hadthe good fortune to see him in
concert 13 times over the years.
Awesome.
I regret not seeing
Emma (44:57):
I saw him three
Sam (45:00):
I also appreciated that Meat never took himself too
seriously, even calling one ofhis late career tours the Guilty
Pleasure Tour.
always kinda in on the joke andwas truly a legend.
Listening to your wry take onhis songs has been a joy hearing
them for the first time.
I hope you guys are enjoyinghearing many of these for the
first time as well, even whenthe reaction has been
(45:21):
incredulous.
Yes we are.
We are, like,
Emma (45:25):
we're properly enjoying this.
We're
Sam (45:27):
enjoying this.
We often take Meat Loaf and Jimto task over sometimes silly
things, sometimes massivethings, but we wouldn't be here
if we weren't fans of theirstupid, brilliant work.
I haven't heard you talk aboutthis particular song yet, but
heard someone in the Mailbagsegment talk about the Hang Cool
Teddy Bear album, and itprompted me to write in.
Wanted to know if you guys wereaware yet of the song,
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California Isn't Big Enough ForMe.
Emma (45:53):
No.
I haven't listened
Sam (45:54):
I know you guys appreciate, loose quotes, the over the top
lyrics you've come across, so Iwanted to point out that
includes the line, I can barelyfit my dick in my pants.
Emma (46:03):
pants.
Hhha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha ha Wooh!
Sam (46:13):
Not joking, I think you just have to listen to the song
to believe it exists.
This sounds amazing.
Thank you, Stephanie.
Keep up the good work.
If you ever come to LA, wouldlove to catch your comedy.
Emma (46:24):
to catch our
Sam (46:25):
catch our comedy in LA as well.
I'm just mentally adding up thecost of a flight to L.
A.
and wondering if it's not themost expensive a gig run will
do.
A return flight to L.
A.
will cost us less than anEdinburgh run, is And if
Stephanie's guaranteed to come,we'll probably sell more than
Emma (46:45):
ha ha ha However, do keep your eye out on
crosslandandwilkinson.com forfuture shows.
Sam (46:53):
So thank you Stephanie.
So That does bring us todeciding our songs next time.
So we've had a little chat andwe've had a few requests in.
So what we're gonna do for nexttime, we're gonna randomly draw
from our mailbag of requests andassign one of them each.
So Emma, would you like to rollfor me a standard four sided
dice?
Emma (47:12):
Oh yeah, here I go.
I have rolled the
Sam (47:18):
number two came out.
Emma (47:19):
and number two has come
Sam (47:22):
have drawn Los Angeloser.
Emma (47:24):
Oh no.
Sam (47:25):
Ha ha ha ha now if you'd like to roll for me a standard
D3 or sided dice, which, as allthe nerds who are listening will
know, doesn't exist.
Emma (47:35):
You have rolled a one.
Sam (47:37):
I've got more!
Emma (47:38):
More?
Sam (47:39):
the song he wrote for the Sisters of Mercy, which Meat
Loaf later did on his very shitlast album.
That sounds quite good, that!Yeah.
But Emma, when are wereturning?.
Emma (47:50):
A little bit of a break over Christmas, but don't worry,
there'll be some treats in yourstocking.
I hate myself.
Yeah.
Do
Sam (47:58):
Do you want to retake it?
No! Okay.
we should use it.
Alright, we're using it.
Yes, There'll be some weirdbonus Christmas content that
Charlie Etheridge Nunn forced tohave, so look out for that on
Christmas Day.
Don't do anything special tolisten to it on
Emma (48:13):
sake, don't listen to it with your
Sam (48:14):
listen to it with your family.
Oh the regular episode will beon Monday the 6th of Jan, you
airy.
I say Jan, because I'm in toomuch of a hurry.
Emma (48:25):
have got a lot to do.
Sam (48:26):
I have got a lot
Emma (48:27):
to do.
Sam (48:29):
As always, please keep your general Meat Loaf thoughts and
anecdotes flying in.
Did you see Meat Loaf atMcDonald's tucking into a big
box of nugs?
Let us know! ChatOutOfHell atgmail.
com or Hashtag DearMcDonalds,please send some of your nugs to
Sam and Emma from the reallygood podcast thank you all for
listening once again.
That's been Chat Out Of Hell.
(48:49):
See you next time.
Bye.
Bow now, now.
now.
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