May 4, 2025 • 40 mins
I don't know anything about you baby, but Chat out of Hell is everything you're dreaming of. Assuming you dream of adequate podcast analysis of the works of Meat Loaf and Jim Steinman.
This episode we take a break from Jim Steinman's byzantine theatre career and go back to the absolute rockers from the mouth of Meat Loaf. Dead Ringer for Love and Runnin' for the Red Light vie for your affections this time, and one of them is the clear winner. This epsiode we'll answer the deep questions, questions like:
- What did the 80s smell like?
- Is there anything Jim Steinman won't recycle?
- Were the Easybeats any good?
PLUS a load more sundry nonsense including a good chat about Smash Hits Magazine and an even better magazine Sam's excited to share.
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Chat out of Hell is a is a review podcast: all music extracts are used for review/illustrative purposes. To hear the songs in full please buy them from your local record shop or streaming platform. Don't do a piracy.
Music extracts on this episode:
Dead Ringer for Love by Meat Loaf and Cher from the album Dead Ringer (1981)
Delta House theme by Jim Steinman, Sean Kelly and Tony Hendra (1979)
Runnin' for the Red Light (I Gotta Life) by Meat Loaf from the album Welcome to the Neighbourhood (1995)
Good Times by the Easybeats from the album Vigil (1968)
Good Times by INXS (1986)
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Emma (00:00):
What is this?
Sam (00:01):
This is Chat out of Hell, the podcast equivalent of a warm
bath in a vat of liquid MeatLoaf with bubbles of Jim
Steinman.
Emma (00:09):
Oh God.
Sam (00:13):
You right there.
Who is Meat Loaf?
Emma (00:16):
Meat Loaf was a singer and actor, but most importantly he
was a man known as Meaty toSarah Ferguson, the former wife
of Prince Andrew.
The less said the better.
Who's Jim Steinman?
Sam (00:30):
Jim Steinman is a composer and musician who was inducted
into the songwriters' Hall ofFame in 2012, which is the same
year that he started work on aheavy metal version of the
Nutcracker.
Emma (00:41):
Of course he did.
Sam (00:42):
Who are we?
Emma (00:44):
Oh, we are comedians.
You are Sam Wilkinson.
And I am Emma Crossland.
And when our powers combined, webecome the mighty robot known as
Samma, protector of Worlds,Slayer of Demons, and Eater of
Cheese.
I'm running out of ideas forthis it is what it is.
Sam (01:02):
Fine.
Welcome to Chat Out of Hell.
Bow.
Now.
Now, now.
Emma (01:08):
Bing.
Sam (01:09):
So we've recovered from seeing the Bat out of Hell
musical.
Yes.
Emma (01:12):
Yes.
We're over it now.
Sam (01:13):
We're over
Emma (01:14):
We're over it now.
It's fine.
Everything's
Sam (01:15):
we're past our obsession with Jim Steinman's, musical
theatre career the time being.
if you've been turned off by ustalking about musical theatre
shows, when we should be talkingabout giant men rocking out.
This is the episode for you.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
So this is Chat Out Of Hell,which is a podcast wherein you
and I, both big Meat Loaf andJim Steinman fans, we both bring
(01:40):
a song to the table to dissectand analyze in our inimitably
half-arsed way.
we'll review them, we'll ratethem on our patented Meat Loaf
and Jim Steinman song ratingscales.
And in passing, we'll all learnsomething.
Emma (01:55):
Will we
Sam (01:57):
All right.
Some people will learnsomething.
Emma, what song have you broughtfor the listeners
Emma (02:03):
I've gone back to Welcome to the Neighbourhood, and I have
brought Running for the RedLight, brackets, I Got a Life,
Sam (02:10):
Crikey.
Well, I've gone to the albumDead Ringer.
And the song on that album DeadRinger for Love.
Emma (02:19):
an excellent choice,
Sam (02:20):
it's a good choice, isn't it?
So we're gonna start with, DeadRinger I think this time.
So listeners, go away, find yourYouTubes or your Spotifys or
your minstrels.
right?
There is a video for this.
it is both unnecessary, but it'salso I think, good fun.
So if you have access to it, goto your YouTube and find that.
We are gonna watch it now andwe'll see you all in like a
(02:43):
twenty second clip.
Soundtrack (02:45):
Who you.
Sam (03:08):
We've been listening to Dead Ringer for Love, and we've
had a lovely old time with it,haven't we?
You
Emma (03:13):
Bloody love that one.
Sam (03:14):
banger.
you want the
Emma (03:16):
Yes.
Sam (03:18):
Good
Emma (03:21):
I've got a bit stuck in the
Sam (03:22):
beautiful.
Crikey.
okay, I I, I'm supposed todeliver some sexually aggressive
response,
Emma (03:28):
Yes,
Sam (03:29):
Well, here's the facts, baby.
that was a duet by Meat Loaffeaturing Cher.
if you'd like to know why Cherwas involved on this song.
I don't know either.
Um, in my limited research, Icouldn't find any particular
reason why it was Cher that waschosen for that.
But she's fucking brilliant onit, didn't she?
Oh, They are both absolutely topof the game on that.
(03:51):
This was the second single offthe album Dead Ringer, in
November, 1981.
it peaked at number five in theUK.
Didn't chart at all in the US
Emma (03:59):
What
Sam (04:00):
I know America sort yourselves out.
Universal advice, I guess.
Emma (04:06):
Yeah.
Sam (04:08):
So this song is another instance of recycly Jim.
Emma (04:12):
Recycle Jim.
Sam (04:14):
Emma, do you know where the source of
Emma (04:16):
is it the Dream Engine?
Sam (04:18):
It's not the
Emma (04:19):
because the Dream Engine is the source for all things
Jim.
Sam (04:22):
No, no.
You've not recognized thesource.
Okay, we'll come back to that.
Emma (04:26):
Oh,
Sam (04:26):
have a bit of fun with that later
Emma (04:28):
Ooh.
Sam (04:29):
We needed this song, right?
Because we've
Emma (04:31):
just oh, we really,
Sam (04:33):
needed this two and a half episodes getting deep into
theatre, Uh, and now we cananswer the question, what if Jim
just wrote a really good songabout two people wanting to do
it?
Yeah.
And it was over in less thanfive minutes.
This song is a svelte fourminutes, 20 in length, which by
Jim's standard is half of a andit's only 10 seconds longer than
Macarena by Los del Rio.
(04:54):
So,
Emma (04:54):
got that in quick.
You got the Macarena in quicktoday.
Sam (04:58):
Okay.
Yeah,
Emma (04:59):
No, no, that's, it's good.
It means,
Sam (05:01):
fine.
it it's over.
Now
Emma (05:02):
drop my gut off.
relax
Sam (05:04):
or can I, where is the next bit of Macarena gonna come from?
Emma?
Emma (05:08):
Oh, well there'll definitely be some more in
there.
I don't think you're gonna Idon't think you're gonna let me
go that easily.
Sam (05:14):
It's a classic Jim mashup of fifties and eighties tunes,
right?.
Emma (05:18):
Bombardi did di wuas.
Cher gets one of the best linesthat Jim has ever written.
Sam (05:23):
it.
Emma (05:24):
As they flirting their way through the evening.
Meat Loaf says"you've got thekind of lips that do more than
drink" and Cher responds with"you've got the kind of mind
that doesn't have to think."
Sam (05:34):
Mm-hmm.
Ah, It's very, there's somereally good lines in this.
another good line.
This is Cher.
I'm looking for anonymous andfleeting satisfaction.
I wanna tell my daddy I'll bemissing in action."
Emma (05:47):
It was so good,
Sam (05:49):
But, there are some lyrics that just don't work here in the
UK.
Emma (05:52):
Yeah.
Sam (05:52):
Most of the song in fact, because the chorus is"rock and
roll and brew, rock and roll andbrew" tea.
Yeah.
For our American listeners, abrew to us is a lovely hot cup
of tea, which changes the timbreof the whole song.
Emma (06:08):
It's less wild night out, isn't
Sam (06:10):
it's more oh, a game of Scrabble and a cup of tea.
And we'll flirt over the letterx when it gets drawn,
Emma (06:19):
Which is of course how all British couples do meet.
Sam (06:21):
Yes, of course.
Yeah.
Cher birth name, CherylSarkisian
Emma (06:27):
I didn't know that.
Sam (06:27):
Cher became her legal name in 1979.
Okay.
there is some claim here andthere that Cher actually wrote
some of the lyrics to this.
Okay.
But I can't find any verifiablesource for it.
I've not heard that come fromthe lips of either Cher or Jim
or Meat Loaf.
It's just kind of secondarysources everywhere.
So possibly she was involved,but in my half an afternoon's
(06:49):
research into this song, Icouldn't really find a lot of
ties as to why Cher's involvedother than she sings this role
perfectly.
Shall we talk about the video?
Emma (06:58):
Oh, that's a lovely fun video.
Sam (07:00):
Me just tie this to a reviewer quote.
This is from Donald A Guariscofor Allmusic.
"This song feels like a longlost outtake from the Grease
soundtrack on steroids." It's
Emma (07:11):
that kind of, vibe Cher's there chewing gum being sexy.
Sam (07:15):
you noticed that she chews gum to the beat?
Yes.
Which is beautiful.
Cher and her girls are hangingdown their local dive bar.
They're all chatting away andthen Meat Loaf and his boys all
walk in wearing Meat Loaft-shirts.
Yes, they
Emma (07:28):
Yes, they do.
Sam (07:30):
that is because, I believe, they are the t-shirts from Meat
Loaf's softball team.
Right.
He got really into softball, inthe run up to Dead Ringer, I
think as part of his recoveryfrom, doing all the drugs.
he played in a softball leaguein Central Park, and I think
he's paid for the team shirtsand Aw.
Meat Loaf and his softball boyscome in, and Cher, sticks a song
(07:51):
on the jukebox
Emma (07:52):
and Meat Loaf there.
There's eye
Sam (07:54):
There's eye contact.
It's gonna be sexy
Emma (07:57):
Yeah.
Sam (07:57):
gonna spend all night flirting in the bar.
and then we break into song anddance.
But did you notice the superheroelement of Meat Loaf,
Emma (08:04):
When he got rid of his shirt and the frilly shirt
became
Sam (08:08):
The song kicks Meat Loaf turns from softball Loaf into
sexy stage performer Meat Loafin a snap of a
Emma (08:15):
finger.
up.
Yep.
Sam (08:17):
and then it's three minutes of, boys, one side girls the
other side dancing and flirtingat each
Emma (08:21):
other.
Yep.
Then at the end of the song,just as they're, doing the Dead
Ringer repeat ad infinitum.
Cher and Meat Loaf suspiciouslywalk off together.
Sam (08:30):
suspiciously, not
Emma (08:31):
suspiciously.
Sex ly walk off together.
Yeah.
cause they're gonna go and doit.
imagine.
Sam (08:39):
So it's a great song and It's a great video.
I don't have too much to saycritically about it it really
hits the sweet spot of what youwant from Jim and from Meat.
Emma (08:49):
It's, a banger to sing along to for
Sam (08:51):
Yeah.
or the performance wise Meat isat the top of his
Emma (08:56):
Yes.
Sam (08:56):
Lyrically Jim hasn't fallen too far into utter stupidity.
Yeah, it's, it's such a goodtune as well.
Emma (09:04):
it's the only tune from that album that makes it onto
any kind of greatest hit
Sam (09:09):
Yeah.
So my copy of, Bat of Hell hasthis stuck on the end of it as
we've mentioned earlier on DeadRinger is not as well rated an
album.
I am coming around to it, butit's not as well rated as Bat
out of Hell.
So some record executive justdecided to go, that one's
Emma (09:25):
quite good.
They
Sam (09:25):
We've got room on the CD.
Jim would've approved.
Emma (09:30):
And I guess it gets it out to a wider
Sam (09:31):
it does., It's very well known here.
I think it did take, quite awhile to settle into the Meat
Loaf canon in
Emma (09:37):
Okay.
I we love a good bar based singalong.
Sam (09:41):
We do love a bar based singalong, but also we've talked
about this before, this video isso American in the way that
would appeal to yes.
Britain
Emma (09:49):
Britain
Sam (09:50):
It's rock and roll and it's dingy and it's a bit like
Cheers, but with a bit of edge.
Emma (09:56):
It's cool in the way that Britain couldn't be at that
time.
Sam (09:59):
Exactly.
Emma (10:00):
I remember being a kid and the thought of America was like,
oh, America.
It just seemed impossiblyglamorous and exciting.
And not all dingy and smellylike pubs in the UK Were,
Sam (10:13):
this is another music video that you couldn't see happening
in a UK pub.
Emma (10:19):
You go down the Spoons where you're not even allowed
music,
Sam (10:23):
but there would be a grumpy old man in a flat cap sat
between the two,
Emma (10:28):
And he
Sam (10:28):
shielding his pints.
He won't move.
I've sat here every night since1974 and I'm not moving For you
young people with yourflirtations
Emma (10:41):
Exactly that.
He's having none of it.
Sam (10:43):
Speaking of the glitz and glamour of America, Emma would
you like a quiz.
Here's the quiz hintedtantalizingly at this.
I did.
Jim recycled this tune.
But where did he recycle itfrom?
Was it A, the theme to a sitcomspinoff from the movie National
Lampoon's Animal House samplelyric.
They're crazy, wild, and they'rerough and rude.
(11:05):
The dean their attitude.
Was it B, the music from a TVcommercial for Irish Spring
brand deodorant sample lyric.
Your armpits feel fresher whenyou use the Spring.
Make yourself smell better forthat hot young thing.
Was it C a radio jingle for theNew York City government
(11:27):
advertising their new helplinefor reporting rat infestations.
Sample lyric (11:31):
those rodents aren't going to get it their
way.
Call NYC Rat Report line andwe'll take them away." One of
those is true.
Where did Jim get that musicfrom?
Emma (11:41):
Oh God, this is bleak.
Which one of those is theMacarena?
Sam (11:49):
Yes.
Translate all of those intoSpanish and just see if they fit
the rhythm of the
Emma (11:55):
Look, I reckon you would do
Sam (11:56):
that.
Emma (11:57):
Oh, uh, I'll go for b
Sam (12:00):
the music from a TV V commercial for Irish Spring
brand deodorants.
Yeah.
"your armpits feel fresher whenyou use the Spring.
Make yourself smell better forthat hot young thing." Yeah, I
made that up.
Emma (12:11):
Wow.
when are you making your careermove into advertising, Oh God.
Is it the rats?
It can't be the rats.
Is it the
Sam (12:19):
"Those rodents aren't going to get it their way.
Call NYC Rat Report Line andwe'll take them away." I made
that up as well.
Emma (12:26):
you rhyming away with way I should have known
Sam (12:28):
Yeah.
Jim wouldn't have done that.
No, It was A, it was the themetune to the spinoff from Animal
House, which was called DeltaHouse and ran for about eight
episodes.
Emma (12:38):
Oh, a huge success.
Then.
Sam (12:40):
Get ready to watch this.
Emma, you are going to love it.
Oh speaking of classicAmericana.
Okay.
This is the opening credits toDelta House.
Soundtrack (12:52):
They're crazy, wild and they're rough, the Dean
don't like their attitude Theanimal fraternity well it could
mean the end of you and mehouse.
(13:18):
Let's go down to the Deltahouse.
All the they're saying and thethings they do.
Are A okay with me If I can dothem too?
Oh yeah.
Come on baby.
Let's go.
Please.
Let's go down.
(13:40):
Let's go.
Sam (13:47):
that was the intro sequence to Delta House.
Wow.
The spinoff from Animal House.
Emma (13:52):
Jim write the theme music for that, or
Sam (13:53):
Uh, Jim wrote the music.
Okay.
The lyrics were by Tony Hendraand Sean Kelly.
things.
But Emma, did you catch acertain lyric in there that Jim
definitely reuses later on?
"The things they're saying andthe things they do are only
gonna scandalize a girl likeyou".
Emma (14:11):
The things they're saying and the things they do.
Ah, Jimmy
Sam (14:15):
Tonight is What it Means to be Young originates
Emma (14:18):
in the
Sam (14:19):
in, the opening sequence to a spinoff to Animal House.
Have you seen Animal House?
I haven't.
No, Okay.
Animal House is frat Yeah.
It's like a frat boy comedything.
it's very, raunchy and trying tospy on girls in the showers and
all that sort of a thing.
Mildly problematic probably.
but the TV spinoff, and Americadoes this a lot.
(14:41):
the TV spinoff was scheduled ina family friendly 7:30 PM slot.
slots.
Emma (14:47):
Oh, it makes no sense.
It makes no sense It was almostlike Saved by the
Sam (14:51):
It was very much that, wasn't it?
you've got crazy thingshappening
Emma (14:54):
to crazy zany teenagers played by 29 year olds
Sam (15:00):
Animal House is still apparently quite well regarded.
all I know of it is fromsecondary spinoffs, like
Simpsons did a parody of it andFuturama did and stuff.
things like the trope of at theend of the film or the episode,
you get a little summary of whathappened to everybody
afterwards.
Homer Simpson went back to workat the
Emma (15:18):
nuclear powerhouse
Sam (15:19):
plant that is from Animal House.
Emma (15:21):
So that's where it originated.
Because even the Bakeoff do thatnow.
Sam (15:25):
That's where Bakeoff got it from.
That's some corking lines inthere, but yeah, the things
they're saying and the thingsthey do are only gonna
scandalize a girl like you.
And then later on the linebecomes the things they're
saying and the things they doare ao okay with me if I can do
them too?
Oh
Emma (15:42):
Oh God.
Good.
Sam (15:44):
Woo.
Emma (15:45):
Don't like that.
Sam (15:45):
Nope, that.
Emma (15:48):
There's nothing he won't recycle, is there?
Sam (15:50):
No, I have a quote on that and I don't know where it's
from.
But I did come across it in someother reading.
This is a bit of a paraphraseperhaps, but Jim said once, I've
only written one song in 200movements,
Emma (16:05):
200 bowel movements.
Hey, hey.
Sam (16:08):
Are you auditioning for a part on Delta
Emma (16:10):
think I might be.
It just had it, it presenteditself, but also that's what she
said.
I'm so sorry.
Sam (16:19):
Oh my God.
Emma (16:21):
What have I become?
I hate this.
Sam (16:23):
I love the link with Delta House as well, because
describing beers as brew Yeah.
Is something to me that fratboys do.
Yeah.
Let's get some brewskis wouldyou like to know what the people
of the internet think,
Emma (16:35):
I would,
Sam (16:36):
at Tom Power 8 1 4 7, this song was played.
Sorry.
You do have to refresh yourbrain a bit'cause we're no
longer talking about the DeltaHouse theme I'd love to, I have
Delta House theme in mind forall of these comments.
Emma (16:50):
Let me just press refresh on my brain then
Sam (16:53):
at Tom Power 8 1 4 7.
This song was played at ourwedding night as I rode my
Harley onto the dance floor in
Emma (16:58):
April 14th, It works perfectly for both songs.
Sam (17:05):
then I had a wonderful,
Emma (17:06):
Boy,
Sam (17:06):
then I had a wonderful dance with my wife.
Magical.
Emma (17:10):
My wedding venue would've gone ape shit
Sam (17:12):
At B hacky 2, 3, 5.
The early eighties was sosweaty.
Emma (17:18):
It's true.
Everybody looks pretty sweaty inthat video, so sweaty in that
video.
Video.
But I respect that becausethat's what real life is like.
Sam (17:26):
sweaty.
Emma (17:28):
This was a time when sweaty meant sexy.
Sam (17:31):
Yeah.
Emma (17:32):
I'm all for that time.
As a sweaty woman,
Sam (17:34):
It was a time before Irish Spring deodorants.
Your armpits feel fresher whenyou use the spring.
Make yourself smell better forthat hot young thing."
Emma (17:44):
buy
Sam (17:44):
it.
Yeah.
If Irish Spring do wanna send mesome retroactive sponsorship
money, that would be lovely.
At Peter Jerk 4, 6 0 3 gumshould be illegal,
Emma (17:56):
this is the eighties and Sexy sexy.
Chewing Chewing
Sam (18:01):
Sweat is sexy.
Uhhuh, obscene, quantities ofhairspray.
Sexy.
Imagine the smell.
Emma (18:08):
Oh, that video reeks.
That video is why smoking wasallowed in bars for such a long
time.
Sam (18:18):
true.
We couldn't ban smoking untilwe'd sorted out deodorant
availability.
Deodorant like Irish Spring,your armpits feel better when
you use the spring.
So, Emma, shall we write thissong?
Yes.
On our trademarked Jim Steinmansong Rating Scale?
Yes.
So this runs Jim Steinman forthe very finest of songs to Jim
(18:41):
Fineman for the finest of songsin a different way of using the
word fine for Yeah.
For the all rightest of And JimDeclineman for those ones, which
are well dodgy and also shit.
Emma, what is This This This isJim Steinman.
Let's all go to the Delta House.
(19:03):
Uh, yeah, just to clarify, DeltaHouse theme.
Jim Steinman.
Jim Fineman or Jim Declineman.
What's all to the Delta House.
Let's all go to the Delta House.
Good.
So that was Dead Ringer forLove.
Emma, what song have you broughtfor our listeners' delectation?
Emma (19:22):
I have brought Running For the Red Light, I Got a Life
from, Welcome to theNeighbourhood.
So go away and give that alisten on whatever platform you
choose.
and we'll be back after thisclip.
Soundtrack (19:47):
Have a good from the tequila,
Emma (19:57):
so you've just listened to running for the Red Light, I Got
a Life.
It was the third single fromWelcome to the Neighbourhood,
which came out in April, 1996.
There's no video for this one,presumably because they'd
spaffed all the budget on theprevious two singles, which were
I'd Lie for You and That's theTruth.
and Not a Dry Eye in the House.
The I'd Lie for You budget musthave been quite a big
Sam (20:19):
that That was the Indiana Jones
Emma (20:20):
loss.
Yes.
Yeah.
Not a Dry Eye was the one wherehe is in the theatre.
In the theatre,
Sam (20:24):
so following that graph line down.
The budget for a song aboutdriving very, very fast seems
unlikely.
it's
Emma (20:32):
Not even about driving very, very fast.
Oh.
It's about driving fast to getto Mexico.
To go and do drinking andshagging.
and I can't imagine the videowould terribly PG for that.
this was written by HarryVander, George Young, Patti
Russo Meat Loaf, and SarahDurkey, who also wrote Modern
Girl that we covered a whileback.
Sam (20:53):
It's that five people I've just counted.
Emma (20:54):
quite a lot of people.
But two of those people have noother, links to any Meat Loaf
stuff.
Sam (21:01):
And that's okay.
that's
Emma (21:01):
Harry Vander and George Young.
And they had to be credited onthe song because the chorus is
pretty much lifted straight fromsomething
Sam (21:09):
else.
Oh.
Emma (21:11):
I've sent you a link.
Sam (21:12):
Before I go into the link, I do just wanna comment one of
my thoughts about this song, isthat"gonna have a good time
tonight" is such a dross lyric.
Is this, is that the lyric thatthey've ripped off ric that
they've ripped.
Amazing.
Is that the Easybeats one?
quite like the Cripes.
(21:41):
So
Emma (21:42):
think it was done deliberately.
Sam (21:43):
Okay, so this isn't a case of they did it and then they got
Emma (21:46):
no.
I guess it's an homage to, theEasybeats, which is a deep cut,
isn't it?
Sam (21:52):
Friday on my Mind is a decent song but I wouldn't say
they're particularly homageworthy.
I
Emma (21:57):
familiar with them prior to this.
I quite like it.
it's fun.
Some people have said that theywere the Australian Beatles.
Sam (22:04):
Easybeats often come up on sixties compilation CDs.
Emma (22:07):
Yeah.
Sam (22:08):
the compiler is too cheap to pay for the the Beatles or
the Stones or people like that.
Emma (22:15):
but, you know, quite good fun.
they're the originators of thatlittle riff and you can feel
where the rest of it verydifferent themes to the songs
lyrically.
Sam (22:24):
There's
Emma (22:24):
other crossover.
But they are credited as,writing, this, so I have sent
you another link, Sam.
which is another version of theEasy Beats song.
this is by
Sam (22:32):
INXS
Emma (22:33):
and this was used on the Lost Boys soundtrack.
Sam (22:37):
Oh, okay.
Jim Steinman would've loved this
Emma (22:59):
You get the idea.
That's, where it all came from,
Sam (23:01):
but it's.
Such a nothing song to decide totake a snippet of and put in.
It's
Emma (23:05):
weird, isn't it?
Sam (23:06):
Yeah.
It's, nothing wrong with it,but,
Emma (23:10):
Welcome to the Neighbourhood has some really
dodgy parts.
Where the Rubber Meets the Roadis an unpleasant song.
as An album I quite enjoy it,but I think that's because it
came out at a time when, I waslistening to a lot of, as a kid.
and I, loved this song.
but the.
subject matter is a little bitropey, so it talks about, he's
(23:31):
gonna take a little trip andfind a Tijuana stray.
So he is going down to Mexicofor cheap booze and sex.
I'm not entirely sure if we'retalking, hiring sex workers here
or just trying to pick up easygirls.
a really dumb song as well.
Just need some understanding.
A girl who ain't demanding, whoain't afraid to fake it."
Sam (23:51):
reading though, Emma,"south border.
don't drink the water.
I'M not surprised Sarah Durkey'sfingerprint on this because she
also wrote, Where the RubberMeets the Road Yeah.
Which has a similarlyproblematic approach
Emma (24:08):
to women.
to women.
Sam (24:09):
to women and sex.
Emma (24:10):
What's wrong with Sarah?
Sam (24:12):
The patriarchy be insidious.
Emma (24:15):
So weird.
There's, there's not a lot tosay about the song.
it's an upbeat rocky.
Sam (24:20):
Yeah.
It's a It's fun number.
It's a fun dancing number.
if you don't listen to thelyrics, yeah, it's fine.
if you do listen to the lyrics,they are alternately creepy or.
Well, not even stupid, but if Iwas gonna write a parody of a
rock song, I would include the
Emma (24:40):
I Divine
Sam (24:40):
Gonna have a good time tonight.
And I know that's not MeatLoaf's fault in this instance,
but it is his fault for going,God, that was so good when The
Easybeats did it.
I have to take it.
we're gonna have a jolly nicetime today.
Emma (24:55):
I found some reviews.
From Chart Watch UK the thirdsingle from, this says Waking Up
the Neighbourhood.
This time Meat Loaf turns awayfrom the power ballads and rocks
out, big time.
Running for the Red Light ismore a tribute track, than
anything else with a chorus thatis lifted almost wholesale from
(25:16):
the classic Good Times, bestknown these days in the version
release by INXS as part of thesoundtrack to the film, the Lost
Boys, a blatant bit of borrowingHarry Vander and George Young of
the Easybeats were givensongwriting credits.
The lift was entirely adeliberate homage.
it doesn't really harm thetrack.
It turns into one of the moreimmediate party hits Mr.
Loaf has ever released.
(25:37):
It will struggle to match thetop 10 peak of the last two
hits, Not a Dry Eye in theHouse.
And I'd Lie For You, even if thetitle is of comparable length.
but I've got a review from SmashHits.
Oh, somebody's, I
Sam (25:50):
think we've been troubled by Smash Hits yet, have
Emma (25:52):
But now I've got a review from Smash Hits
Sam (25:55):
the, uh, the pop magazine of our
Emma (25:58):
Yep.
So singles reviewed by AlexNeedham.
Running for the Red Light, I Gota Life, gets three out of five.
"Meat Loaf opts for a dramaticchange of direction on a single
that is A fast and B fourminutes long.
It's got a nonsense titlethough, so that's okay then.
Though most people would ratherbe burned at the stake than
(26:19):
admit a penchant for Meat Loaf.
This record might have, um,secretly humming along.
It's less over the top thanusual and still hardly
understated and maybe quiteinvigorating with its guitar
spag out and furious chorus,just don't tell your trendy
mates."
Sam (26:40):
I wish I paid by the
Emma (26:42):
In the same edition of this little review section in,
Smash Hits, reviewed by AlexNeedham.
There's also a review of aAlanis Morissette Ironic.
Oh.
Which must have come out at thesame time.
She's talented, she's goodlooking, but she doesn't do much
for me".
So already Alex is in trouble
Sam (27:04):
Jesus,
Emma (27:06):
this arms aloft rumination on the irony of life, will no
doubt be acclaimed by thesquillions who lapped up her
last hits.
But to moi, it sounds like thekind of quirky adult bracket,
ah, rock which Americans go batsover, but which us Brits wisely
tend to ignore.
(27:27):
Then again, it could grow on me,become a top three hit and
convert me to the charms ofMademoiselle Mozza.
Wouldn't that be ironic?" twostars.
Sam (27:39):
I feel queasy.
Emma (27:41):
I'm not very happy with that.
Sam (27:43):
Alex Needham.
If you are listening, go fuckyourself.
Uh, if you know Alex Needham offormerly of Smash Hits Magazine
fame, do let us knowchatoutofhell@gmail.com.
Emma (27:53):
There's some in the same section.
Sam (27:56):
well, no, Emma, the
Emma (27:58):
Cranberries, Salvation,
Sam (28:00):
hang on Before you go on.
Is it quite good?
Except for the fact that a womanis in it?
Is
Emma (28:04):
one star
Sam (28:06):
salvation
Emma (28:07):
Millions love her but Dolores O'Riordan reminds me of
a school teacher who'd put youin detention if you dare
question her dodgy band'sintegrity." This was a time when
reviewing was particularlybrutal.
Mm.
In the nineties.
That sort of swagger.
Thing.
I remember Catlin Moran talkingabout when she demolished bands.
(28:29):
In her reviews.
unnecessarily.
Sam (28:32):
Oh dear.
Emma (28:36):
There's also a review of Ash, Goldfinger.
Which gets four stars.
And I always found Ash be alittle bit bland.
Sam (28:44):
are there any women in Ash?
There you go.
Emma (28:47):
Single of the week, which gets five stars is the Manic
Street Preachers A Design ForLife.
I have no problem
Sam (28:54):
No, I have no problem
Emma (28:55):
quite the Manics,
Sam (28:56):
of all of the songs that we've just listed, I'm putting
that at the bottom.
Emma (28:59):
It's the least interesting.
Sam (29:01):
Yeah.
but then again, there's no girlsin it
Emma (29:04):
music
Sam (29:04):
music for
Emma (29:05):
but to counter that.
Sam (29:07):
Oh no.
Uh,
Emma (29:07):
he's given five stars to Everything but the Girl Walking
Wounded, there's definitely agirl in that.
Sam (29:14):
There is, well maybe he misunderstood the name,
Emma (29:20):
but that was an interesting little find a
Sam (29:22):
that was quite a nice little, dip
Emma (29:24):
Splash hit
Sam (29:25):
the history of music reviewing.
Emma (29:28):
Yeah, let's never go there again.
Sam (29:30):
Yeah.
horrible.
I'm just thinking back to when Iused to review
Emma (29:35):
Oh, I used to review music as well.
What did you review music
Sam (29:39):
reviewed for a publication called Disorder.
I think I was only ever on theirwebsite.
Emma (29:48):
was that around the same time as Drowned in Sound was a
thing?
2, 3, 4, 5.
Sam (29:52):
3, 4,
Emma (29:53):
Oh.
Drowned in Sound was aroundpossibly a bit earlier than I
did some reviews for myuniversity
Sam (29:59):
Mm-hmm.
Emma (29:59):
I did some reviews and some interviews of just whatever
junk they sent us through.
and a lot of it was like stuffyou'd never heard of.
Sam (30:06):
Yeah.
A real mix of stuff I'd neverheard of and genres I had no
interest in.
Emma (30:10):
Yeah.
There was a lot of that.
But, as a result of doing that,I did get to interview Snow
Patrol.
Oh yeah.
Outside a pub in Middlesbrough.
Sam (30:19):
did you feel that though when you were writing music
reviews?
'cause I've just been thinkingabout this.
Did you still feel the coolthing to do here is to find a
really, snarky, funny way to saythis music is not to my tastes.
Haha.
Emma (30:33):
pretty sure I did.
Yeah, I
Sam (30:34):
as well.
Yeah.
Awful,
Emma (30:35):
it?
Yeah.
I hope that if I was to ever doit again, which I never will,
Sam (30:40):
although if you do wanna send us, one of those samplers,
I'm not, I'm not taking links.
I'm not taking MP3 links likethey do now.
I'm only
Emma (30:47):
sample CDs?
Sam (30:48):
If I get one of those CDs with a photocopied bit of stuff
in the plastic wallets, Ihappily
Emma (30:53):
accept a link.
I don't need more stuff in mylife.
yeah.
I would like to think that if Idid it now, I'd be less of a
wanker.
Sam (31:01):
Um, a different wanker maybe.
Emma (31:02):
Yeah.
But I think with age comes
Sam (31:04):
less of a prick.
Emma (31:05):
Yeah.
Just a bit more mellow.
Yeah.
A bit more accepting
Sam (31:08):
Different Yeah.
Emma (31:09):
and also, you know, I've had my own heart broken with
reviews, so
Sam (31:15):
it's time to rate this on our trusty Meat Loaf song rating
scale, which has served us for awhole year so far.
Emma, our Meat Loaf song ratingscale goes from Marvin Lee Aday
for his very finest non JimSteinman works Marvin Lee Okay
for his okayest of songs andMarvin Lee.
No way for all the ones that wehear and go.
(31:39):
So, which side of the, Okay noWay border does this song sit
Emma (31:43):
It does sort of surf that.
Okay No Way border
Sam (31:46):
it's on the edge isn't it?
Emma (31:47):
I
Sam (31:47):
I think it's Is it,
Emma (31:49):
I think, I think just about, oh.
Oh, shit.
I used to really like the song,but now I've looked at it and
listened to the words properly.
It's a bit skeevy, isn't it?
Sam (31:59):
It is a bit skeevy.
Do you want me read out what'smade it onto the No Way list so
far?
Yeah, And that might help us.
we have Where the Rubber Meetsthe Road.
It's not as bad as that.
No, it's not.
It is not great.
But it's not, bad as that.
It's not as bad as, oh boy.
Uh, Los Angeloser.
Emma (32:17):
Oh, I fucking hate
Sam (32:19):
And 45 Seconds of Ecstasy.
Oh, and Rock and RollMercenaries,
Emma (32:23):
obviously.
I think it might be an Okay.
Sam (32:26):
Do you think it's better than Rock and Roll Mercenaries?
Emma (32:30):
Musically.
Yeah,
Sam (32:32):
I think you're right actually.
Rock and Roll Mercenaries isgreat fun to sing along to safe
in the knowledge that it'sfucking garbage.
It Rubish.
So, yeah, I think you're right,Emma.
Let's declare this a Marvin LeeOkay.
Yes, it's all right.
It's fine.
Emma (32:49):
Good.
Sam (32:50):
Okay, that was our songs this episode.
Did you like them?
Did you think we were wrong?
Did you think they were rubbish?
Do you have opinions on Cher'shair in that video?
chatoutofhell@gmail.com wheresome of these people have sent
messages in recent weeks?
Yeah.
We've had a quite a few messagesfrom various people adding stuff
(33:11):
into the Mm-hmm.
Bins.
So thank you to, quite a fewpeople.
David Gillespie's been in touch.
All right.
Fellow young people all.
You're cool.
Cool dude.
Sup.
you mentioned on a recentepisode that you're intending to
(33:33):
do some more research on PaulCrook.
So Paul Crook was the producerof Braver Than We Are the last
album.
There's an interesting anglethat I've never seen explicitly
mentioned before regarding how Ithink he ended up with Meat
Loaf.
Crook was a member of eightiesthrash metal titans Anthrax
during the late nineties.
Not a key figure by any stretchof the imagination.
(33:54):
Very much a hired hand.
But the main guitarist inAnthrax, Scott Ian, is married
to one Pearl Aday, Loaf'sdaughter.
Probably not a coincidence thatCrook made his way to Meat Loaf
after leaving Anthrax.
I like that.
I don't really know anythingabout Anthrax, do you?
Emma (34:12):
All I know is when I was at school, one of my friends
started buying Anthrax CDs.
Sam (34:19):
Okay.
Emma (34:20):
from the local flea market.
Sam (34:22):
Okay.
Anthrax are one of those, coolmetal bands whose logo is like
in a cool fonts and it's ah,Anthrax
Emma (34:31):
They do seem very raw.
Sam (34:32):
Yeah.
Yeah.
we might have to learn a bitmore about them then.
since they've got
Emma (34:36):
oh God.
Am I
Sam (34:36):
have possibly.
Okay.
Thank you David for that.
RL Gray's been in yay.
Hi rl.
rl.
I'm not gonna read all youremail.
I do apologize.
RL basically agrees with usabout everything.
Emma (34:50):
lovely stuff.
Sam (34:50):
but we were talking about our famous doppelgangers.
Oh, yes.
Emma (34:53):
Ah, yes.
Sam (34:53):
Yeah.
RL's doppelgangers that otherpeople have suggested include
Bruce Willis and Paul Bettany.
Yeah, I, I can, stop see that?
I can see that.
and also RL, I wanted to readthis bit out because you might
not be aware of this, there is avideo on YouTube you need to
find called Moby.
Emma (35:17):
Yep.
Sam (35:18):
Moby Song by, Adam Buxton.
He's a British comediancomparing various famous bald
white men.
So you might see yourself overand over and over again in that
video.
comments on the Dream Engine.
RL has listened to bits of thesame recording as us, though not
the whole thing, because thequality makes it rough going
even if you are into thematerial.
(35:40):
As you know, it's ridiculouslyself-indulgent and
self-important in the way that,well, not only student theatre,
but often student theatre can beBut it is interesting to see the
genesis of so many of thesefinally, Chris Matts, So Chris
emailed to ask us what songs wethought Meat Loaf should have
covered.
(36:01):
Thanks for reading out myquestion again a few months ago
and giving it way more attentionthan it deserved wrong.
It was a great question.
I don't know if you guys haveheard of Steve Steinman, I'm
sure he started as a Meat Loaftribute and he's gone on to do
many stage shows based aroundvampires, et cetera, but all are
heavily Meat Loaf influenced.
One of his original songsSomething of the Night may be
the best song that Jim didn'tget to write.
(36:24):
So I have heard a bit aboutSteve Steinman.
he pops up on my Facebookadverts quite a bit.
Yeah.
I didn't realize he was nowstriving ahead of us in the
writing a Jim Steinman stylesong I think we might need to
dig a bit deeper into SteveSteinman at some point.
Emma.
Yeah.
And maybe, go see one of hisshows next time he's near us.
Yeah.
Um, if possible, could I get ashout out for 10 are if's best
Meat Loaf Tribute Act, DavidFrame, or as we call him, Davey
Emma (36:47):
picture.
Sam (36:48):
Enclo.
Yeah.
Shout out to Davey Loaf.
That's our messages fromlisteners that, Emma, I've got
something for you.
Have you?
Yeah, you gave me a, ananniversary present.
Emma (36:57):
Oh, yes, I did.
I gave you some.
A one
Sam (36:59):
yes You gave me some, A one sauce.
I've got a little anniversarypresent for you Here you go.
Take a look at this.
Emma (37:05):
Still Beating Songs for Jim Steinman Napier.
And
Sam (37:10):
Friend.
This is something that, a coupleof people on social media
alerted me to.
this is a fanzine, that waspublished, on the fourth
anniversary of Jim's death.
By Claire Napier, who's a comicseditor and various other people
have contributed to it.
It's really good.
It is full of kind of littleessays and artworks and
Emma (37:29):
oh my god, this is amazing,
Sam (37:31):
articles and personal essays on Jim his work.
it's a really fun thing.
I wanna recommend it to ouralso, I'm not sure if Claire or
someone involved is a listener,because I did a.
Uh, they're not tweets.
Whatever it is on Blue sky, Ableet about how I was gonna pick
up some copies for the podcast.
(37:52):
I ordered one copy, I receivedtwo.
So either, we have listeners whogave us a free copy, in Claire
and friends, or we have anadministrative error that gave
us a free copy.
But either way, Thank you Claireand everybody so much.
this is a really cool piece.
Fantastic.
It's really good.
there's a great essay by, Yeah.
(38:13):
The artwork's.
Brilliant.
We were talking earlier todayabout the British experience of
America.
Yeah.
and how stuff.
Leached across, there's a pieceby, T Trewhela and apologies if
I've pronounced your name wrong,about growing up in the
northeast of England.
Oh.
Having these US imports comingover in the, in the nineties,
and how incredible the USOAlooked to us Yeah.
(38:36):
Across the Atlantic.
So a lot of stuff that we'vebeen talking about expressed in
other ways.
So yeah,
Emma (38:41):
just briefly flicking through this, I've already
stumbled onto something that istruly wonderful, and that is an
illustration of Jim and HulkHogan and a
Sam (38:50):
mention
Emma (38:50):
of Hulk Hogan's theme.
this is awesome.
Sam (38:53):
It's a really cool piece.
Yeah, no, thank you to ClaireNapier and everybody else who's
pulled it together.
This I'm pretty sure you canorder it digitally.
I guess they've got a publishingthing in the UK and they've
recently just been able to sendprinted copies to people in the
US as well.
So if you are interested, it iscalled Still Beating Songs for
Jim Steinman.
(39:14):
and you can buy it from itch.io,which I never know how to
pronounce.
Is it pronounced Itch?
Eo Is it pronounced Itch io.
It, you know the thing I mean.
Ichi It's a me Ichi.
Emma (39:30):
Oh, that's a very different video
Sam (39:31):
game,
Emma (39:31):
isn't it?
Sam (39:34):
Emma, what songs are we doing next time?
Emma (39:36):
next time I'm gonna delve into an album that we've not
touched on yet, which is twothousand and eleven's Hell in a
Hand Basket.
And I'm gonna go for the firstsingle from that, which is
called Stand In the Storm.
Sam (39:47):
Ooh, that sounds like it might be good.
Emma (39:50):
Here's hoping,
Sam (39:53):
and I'm gonna dip into our requests box.
Two people have requested thisone, RL, Gray and Max.
Heavy as Jesus from Meat Loafand s Stoney's album.
So this is Meat Loaf's albumfrom before he'd even met Jim.
Aw.
Imagine.
So listeners, do a little bit ofhomework on those if you like.
Keep your general Meat Loafthoughts, anecdotes, and
(40:15):
opinions flying in.
Did you see Meat Loaf skiingdown the slopes of Aspen?
Let us know.
Chat out of hell@gmail.com.
Well go away.
Do your homework.
We're gonna go do ours and we'llsee you again in two more weeks
time for another Chat out ofHell.
Bye.
Bow now.
Now
Emma (40:34):
bing.
What is this?
Sam (00:01):
This is Chat out of Hell, the podcast equivalent of a warm
bath in a vat of liquid MeatLoaf with bubbles of Jim
Steinman.
Emma (00:09):
Oh God.
Sam (00:13):
You right there.
Who is Meat Loaf?
Emma (00:16):
Meat Loaf was a singer and actor, but most importantly he
was a man known as Meaty toSarah Ferguson, the former wife
of Prince Andrew.
The less said the better.
Who's Jim Steinman?
Sam (00:30):
Jim Steinman is a composer and musician who was inducted
into the songwriters' Hall ofFame in 2012, which is the same
year that he started work on aheavy metal version of the
Nutcracker.
Emma (00:41):
Of course he did.
Sam (00:42):
Who are we?
Emma (00:44):
Oh, we are comedians.
You are Sam Wilkinson.
And I am Emma Crossland.
And when our powers combined, webecome the mighty robot known as
Samma, protector of Worlds,Slayer of Demons, and Eater of
Cheese.
I'm running out of ideas forthis it is what it is.
Sam (01:02):
Fine.
Welcome to Chat Out of Hell.
Bow.
Now.
Now, now.
Emma (01:08):
Bing.
Sam (01:09):
So we've recovered from seeing the Bat out of Hell
musical.
Yes.
Emma (01:12):
Yes.
We're over it now.
Sam (01:13):
We're over
Emma (01:14):
We're over it now.
It's fine.
Everything's
Sam (01:15):
we're past our obsession with Jim Steinman's, musical
theatre career the time being.
if you've been turned off by ustalking about musical theatre
shows, when we should be talkingabout giant men rocking out.
This is the episode for you.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
So this is Chat Out Of Hell,which is a podcast wherein you
and I, both big Meat Loaf andJim Steinman fans, we both bring
(01:40):
a song to the table to dissectand analyze in our inimitably
half-arsed way.
we'll review them, we'll ratethem on our patented Meat Loaf
and Jim Steinman song ratingscales.
And in passing, we'll all learnsomething.
Emma (01:55):
Will we
Sam (01:57):
All right.
Some people will learnsomething.
Emma, what song have you broughtfor the listeners
Emma (02:03):
I've gone back to Welcome to the Neighbourhood, and I have
brought Running for the RedLight, brackets, I Got a Life,
Sam (02:10):
Crikey.
Well, I've gone to the albumDead Ringer.
And the song on that album DeadRinger for Love.
Emma (02:19):
an excellent choice,
Sam (02:20):
it's a good choice, isn't it?
So we're gonna start with, DeadRinger I think this time.
So listeners, go away, find yourYouTubes or your Spotifys or
your minstrels.
right?
There is a video for this.
it is both unnecessary, but it'salso I think, good fun.
So if you have access to it, goto your YouTube and find that.
We are gonna watch it now andwe'll see you all in like a
(02:43):
twenty second clip.
Soundtrack (02:45):
Who you.
Sam (03:08):
We've been listening to Dead Ringer for Love, and we've
had a lovely old time with it,haven't we?
You
Emma (03:13):
Bloody love that one.
Sam (03:14):
banger.
you want the
Emma (03:16):
Yes.
Sam (03:18):
Good
Emma (03:21):
I've got a bit stuck in the
Sam (03:22):
beautiful.
Crikey.
okay, I I, I'm supposed todeliver some sexually aggressive
response,
Emma (03:28):
Yes,
Sam (03:29):
Well, here's the facts, baby.
that was a duet by Meat Loaffeaturing Cher.
if you'd like to know why Cherwas involved on this song.
I don't know either.
Um, in my limited research, Icouldn't find any particular
reason why it was Cher that waschosen for that.
But she's fucking brilliant onit, didn't she?
Oh, They are both absolutely topof the game on that.
(03:51):
This was the second single offthe album Dead Ringer, in
November, 1981.
it peaked at number five in theUK.
Didn't chart at all in the US
Emma (03:59):
What
Sam (04:00):
I know America sort yourselves out.
Universal advice, I guess.
Emma (04:06):
Yeah.
Sam (04:08):
So this song is another instance of recycly Jim.
Emma (04:12):
Recycle Jim.
Sam (04:14):
Emma, do you know where the source of
Emma (04:16):
is it the Dream Engine?
Sam (04:18):
It's not the
Emma (04:19):
because the Dream Engine is the source for all things
Jim.
Sam (04:22):
No, no.
You've not recognized thesource.
Okay, we'll come back to that.
Emma (04:26):
Oh,
Sam (04:26):
have a bit of fun with that later
Emma (04:28):
Ooh.
Sam (04:29):
We needed this song, right?
Because we've
Emma (04:31):
just oh, we really,
Sam (04:33):
needed this two and a half episodes getting deep into
theatre, Uh, and now we cananswer the question, what if Jim
just wrote a really good songabout two people wanting to do
it?
Yeah.
And it was over in less thanfive minutes.
This song is a svelte fourminutes, 20 in length, which by
Jim's standard is half of a andit's only 10 seconds longer than
Macarena by Los del Rio.
(04:54):
So,
Emma (04:54):
got that in quick.
You got the Macarena in quicktoday.
Sam (04:58):
Okay.
Yeah,
Emma (04:59):
No, no, that's, it's good.
It means,
Sam (05:01):
fine.
it it's over.
Now
Emma (05:02):
drop my gut off.
relax
Sam (05:04):
or can I, where is the next bit of Macarena gonna come from?
Emma?
Emma (05:08):
Oh, well there'll definitely be some more in
there.
I don't think you're gonna Idon't think you're gonna let me
go that easily.
Sam (05:14):
It's a classic Jim mashup of fifties and eighties tunes,
right?.
Emma (05:18):
Bombardi did di wuas.
Cher gets one of the best linesthat Jim has ever written.
Sam (05:23):
it.
Emma (05:24):
As they flirting their way through the evening.
Meat Loaf says"you've got thekind of lips that do more than
drink" and Cher responds with"you've got the kind of mind
that doesn't have to think."
Sam (05:34):
Mm-hmm.
Ah, It's very, there's somereally good lines in this.
another good line.
This is Cher.
I'm looking for anonymous andfleeting satisfaction.
I wanna tell my daddy I'll bemissing in action."
Emma (05:47):
It was so good,
Sam (05:49):
But, there are some lyrics that just don't work here in the
UK.
Emma (05:52):
Yeah.
Sam (05:52):
Most of the song in fact, because the chorus is"rock and
roll and brew, rock and roll andbrew" tea.
Yeah.
For our American listeners, abrew to us is a lovely hot cup
of tea, which changes the timbreof the whole song.
Emma (06:08):
It's less wild night out, isn't
Sam (06:10):
it's more oh, a game of Scrabble and a cup of tea.
And we'll flirt over the letterx when it gets drawn,
Emma (06:19):
Which is of course how all British couples do meet.
Sam (06:21):
Yes, of course.
Yeah.
Cher birth name, CherylSarkisian
Emma (06:27):
I didn't know that.
Sam (06:27):
Cher became her legal name in 1979.
Okay.
there is some claim here andthere that Cher actually wrote
some of the lyrics to this.
Okay.
But I can't find any verifiablesource for it.
I've not heard that come fromthe lips of either Cher or Jim
or Meat Loaf.
It's just kind of secondarysources everywhere.
So possibly she was involved,but in my half an afternoon's
(06:49):
research into this song, Icouldn't really find a lot of
ties as to why Cher's involvedother than she sings this role
perfectly.
Shall we talk about the video?
Emma (06:58):
Oh, that's a lovely fun video.
Sam (07:00):
Me just tie this to a reviewer quote.
This is from Donald A Guariscofor Allmusic.
"This song feels like a longlost outtake from the Grease
soundtrack on steroids." It's
Emma (07:11):
that kind of, vibe Cher's there chewing gum being sexy.
Sam (07:15):
you noticed that she chews gum to the beat?
Yes.
Which is beautiful.
Cher and her girls are hangingdown their local dive bar.
They're all chatting away andthen Meat Loaf and his boys all
walk in wearing Meat Loaft-shirts.
Yes, they
Emma (07:28):
Yes, they do.
Sam (07:30):
that is because, I believe, they are the t-shirts from Meat
Loaf's softball team.
Right.
He got really into softball, inthe run up to Dead Ringer, I
think as part of his recoveryfrom, doing all the drugs.
he played in a softball leaguein Central Park, and I think
he's paid for the team shirtsand Aw.
Meat Loaf and his softball boyscome in, and Cher, sticks a song
(07:51):
on the jukebox
Emma (07:52):
and Meat Loaf there.
There's eye
Sam (07:54):
There's eye contact.
It's gonna be sexy
Emma (07:57):
Yeah.
Sam (07:57):
gonna spend all night flirting in the bar.
and then we break into song anddance.
But did you notice the superheroelement of Meat Loaf,
Emma (08:04):
When he got rid of his shirt and the frilly shirt
became
Sam (08:08):
The song kicks Meat Loaf turns from softball Loaf into
sexy stage performer Meat Loafin a snap of a
Emma (08:15):
finger.
up.
Yep.
Sam (08:17):
and then it's three minutes of, boys, one side girls the
other side dancing and flirtingat each
Emma (08:21):
other.
Yep.
Then at the end of the song,just as they're, doing the Dead
Ringer repeat ad infinitum.
Cher and Meat Loaf suspiciouslywalk off together.
Sam (08:30):
suspiciously, not
Emma (08:31):
suspiciously.
Sex ly walk off together.
Yeah.
cause they're gonna go and doit.
imagine.
Sam (08:39):
So it's a great song and It's a great video.
I don't have too much to saycritically about it it really
hits the sweet spot of what youwant from Jim and from Meat.
Emma (08:49):
It's, a banger to sing along to for
Sam (08:51):
Yeah.
or the performance wise Meat isat the top of his
Emma (08:56):
Yes.
Sam (08:56):
Lyrically Jim hasn't fallen too far into utter stupidity.
Yeah, it's, it's such a goodtune as well.
Emma (09:04):
it's the only tune from that album that makes it onto
any kind of greatest hit
Sam (09:09):
Yeah.
So my copy of, Bat of Hell hasthis stuck on the end of it as
we've mentioned earlier on DeadRinger is not as well rated an
album.
I am coming around to it, butit's not as well rated as Bat
out of Hell.
So some record executive justdecided to go, that one's
Emma (09:25):
quite good.
They
Sam (09:25):
We've got room on the CD.
Jim would've approved.
Emma (09:30):
And I guess it gets it out to a wider
Sam (09:31):
it does., It's very well known here.
I think it did take, quite awhile to settle into the Meat
Loaf canon in
Emma (09:37):
Okay.
I we love a good bar based singalong.
Sam (09:41):
We do love a bar based singalong, but also we've talked
about this before, this video isso American in the way that
would appeal to yes.
Britain
Emma (09:49):
Britain
Sam (09:50):
It's rock and roll and it's dingy and it's a bit like
Cheers, but with a bit of edge.
Emma (09:56):
It's cool in the way that Britain couldn't be at that
time.
Sam (09:59):
Exactly.
Emma (10:00):
I remember being a kid and the thought of America was like,
oh, America.
It just seemed impossiblyglamorous and exciting.
And not all dingy and smellylike pubs in the UK Were,
Sam (10:13):
this is another music video that you couldn't see happening
in a UK pub.
Emma (10:19):
You go down the Spoons where you're not even allowed
music,
Sam (10:23):
but there would be a grumpy old man in a flat cap sat
between the two,
Emma (10:28):
And he
Sam (10:28):
shielding his pints.
He won't move.
I've sat here every night since1974 and I'm not moving For you
young people with yourflirtations
Emma (10:41):
Exactly that.
He's having none of it.
Sam (10:43):
Speaking of the glitz and glamour of America, Emma would
you like a quiz.
Here's the quiz hintedtantalizingly at this.
I did.
Jim recycled this tune.
But where did he recycle itfrom?
Was it A, the theme to a sitcomspinoff from the movie National
Lampoon's Animal House samplelyric.
They're crazy, wild, and they'rerough and rude.
(11:05):
The dean their attitude.
Was it B, the music from a TVcommercial for Irish Spring
brand deodorant sample lyric.
Your armpits feel fresher whenyou use the Spring.
Make yourself smell better forthat hot young thing.
Was it C a radio jingle for theNew York City government
(11:27):
advertising their new helplinefor reporting rat infestations.
Sample lyric (11:31):
those rodents aren't going to get it their
way.
Call NYC Rat Report line andwe'll take them away." One of
those is true.
Where did Jim get that musicfrom?
Emma (11:41):
Oh God, this is bleak.
Which one of those is theMacarena?
Sam (11:49):
Yes.
Translate all of those intoSpanish and just see if they fit
the rhythm of the
Emma (11:55):
Look, I reckon you would do
Sam (11:56):
that.
Emma (11:57):
Oh, uh, I'll go for b
Sam (12:00):
the music from a TV V commercial for Irish Spring
brand deodorants.
Yeah.
"your armpits feel fresher whenyou use the Spring.
Make yourself smell better forthat hot young thing." Yeah, I
made that up.
Emma (12:11):
Wow.
when are you making your careermove into advertising, Oh God.
Is it the rats?
It can't be the rats.
Is it the
Sam (12:19):
"Those rodents aren't going to get it their way.
Call NYC Rat Report Line andwe'll take them away." I made
that up as well.
Emma (12:26):
you rhyming away with way I should have known
Sam (12:28):
Yeah.
Jim wouldn't have done that.
No, It was A, it was the themetune to the spinoff from Animal
House, which was called DeltaHouse and ran for about eight
episodes.
Emma (12:38):
Oh, a huge success.
Then.
Sam (12:40):
Get ready to watch this.
Emma, you are going to love it.
Oh speaking of classicAmericana.
Okay.
This is the opening credits toDelta House.
Soundtrack (12:52):
They're crazy, wild and they're rough, the Dean
don't like their attitude Theanimal fraternity well it could
mean the end of you and mehouse.
(13:18):
Let's go down to the Deltahouse.
All the they're saying and thethings they do.
Are A okay with me If I can dothem too?
Oh yeah.
Come on baby.
Let's go.
Please.
Let's go down.
(13:40):
Let's go.
Sam (13:47):
that was the intro sequence to Delta House.
Wow.
The spinoff from Animal House.
Emma (13:52):
Jim write the theme music for that, or
Sam (13:53):
Uh, Jim wrote the music.
Okay.
The lyrics were by Tony Hendraand Sean Kelly.
things.
But Emma, did you catch acertain lyric in there that Jim
definitely reuses later on?
"The things they're saying andthe things they do are only
gonna scandalize a girl likeyou".
Emma (14:11):
The things they're saying and the things they do.
Ah, Jimmy
Sam (14:15):
Tonight is What it Means to be Young originates
Emma (14:18):
in the
Sam (14:19):
in, the opening sequence to a spinoff to Animal House.
Have you seen Animal House?
I haven't.
No, Okay.
Animal House is frat Yeah.
It's like a frat boy comedything.
it's very, raunchy and trying tospy on girls in the showers and
all that sort of a thing.
Mildly problematic probably.
but the TV spinoff, and Americadoes this a lot.
(14:41):
the TV spinoff was scheduled ina family friendly 7:30 PM slot.
slots.
Emma (14:47):
Oh, it makes no sense.
It makes no sense It was almostlike Saved by the
Sam (14:51):
It was very much that, wasn't it?
you've got crazy thingshappening
Emma (14:54):
to crazy zany teenagers played by 29 year olds
Sam (15:00):
Animal House is still apparently quite well regarded.
all I know of it is fromsecondary spinoffs, like
Simpsons did a parody of it andFuturama did and stuff.
things like the trope of at theend of the film or the episode,
you get a little summary of whathappened to everybody
afterwards.
Homer Simpson went back to workat the
Emma (15:18):
nuclear powerhouse
Sam (15:19):
plant that is from Animal House.
Emma (15:21):
So that's where it originated.
Because even the Bakeoff do thatnow.
Sam (15:25):
That's where Bakeoff got it from.
That's some corking lines inthere, but yeah, the things
they're saying and the thingsthey do are only gonna
scandalize a girl like you.
And then later on the linebecomes the things they're
saying and the things they doare ao okay with me if I can do
them too?
Oh
Emma (15:42):
Oh God.
Good.
Sam (15:44):
Woo.
Emma (15:45):
Don't like that.
Sam (15:45):
Nope, that.
Emma (15:48):
There's nothing he won't recycle, is there?
Sam (15:50):
No, I have a quote on that and I don't know where it's
from.
But I did come across it in someother reading.
This is a bit of a paraphraseperhaps, but Jim said once, I've
only written one song in 200movements,
Emma (16:05):
200 bowel movements.
Hey, hey.
Sam (16:08):
Are you auditioning for a part on Delta
Emma (16:10):
think I might be.
It just had it, it presenteditself, but also that's what she
said.
I'm so sorry.
Sam (16:19):
Oh my God.
Emma (16:21):
What have I become?
I hate this.
Sam (16:23):
I love the link with Delta House as well, because
describing beers as brew Yeah.
Is something to me that fratboys do.
Yeah.
Let's get some brewskis wouldyou like to know what the people
of the internet think,
Emma (16:35):
I would,
Sam (16:36):
at Tom Power 8 1 4 7, this song was played.
Sorry.
You do have to refresh yourbrain a bit'cause we're no
longer talking about the DeltaHouse theme I'd love to, I have
Delta House theme in mind forall of these comments.
Emma (16:50):
Let me just press refresh on my brain then
Sam (16:53):
at Tom Power 8 1 4 7.
This song was played at ourwedding night as I rode my
Harley onto the dance floor in
Emma (16:58):
April 14th, It works perfectly for both songs.
Sam (17:05):
then I had a wonderful,
Emma (17:06):
Boy,
Sam (17:06):
then I had a wonderful dance with my wife.
Magical.
Emma (17:10):
My wedding venue would've gone ape shit
Sam (17:12):
At B hacky 2, 3, 5.
The early eighties was sosweaty.
Emma (17:18):
It's true.
Everybody looks pretty sweaty inthat video, so sweaty in that
video.
Video.
But I respect that becausethat's what real life is like.
Sam (17:26):
sweaty.
Emma (17:28):
This was a time when sweaty meant sexy.
Sam (17:31):
Yeah.
Emma (17:32):
I'm all for that time.
As a sweaty woman,
Sam (17:34):
It was a time before Irish Spring deodorants.
Your armpits feel fresher whenyou use the spring.
Make yourself smell better forthat hot young thing."
Emma (17:44):
buy
Sam (17:44):
it.
Yeah.
If Irish Spring do wanna send mesome retroactive sponsorship
money, that would be lovely.
At Peter Jerk 4, 6 0 3 gumshould be illegal,
Emma (17:56):
this is the eighties and Sexy sexy.
Chewing Chewing
Sam (18:01):
Sweat is sexy.
Uhhuh, obscene, quantities ofhairspray.
Sexy.
Imagine the smell.
Emma (18:08):
Oh, that video reeks.
That video is why smoking wasallowed in bars for such a long
time.
Sam (18:18):
true.
We couldn't ban smoking untilwe'd sorted out deodorant
availability.
Deodorant like Irish Spring,your armpits feel better when
you use the spring.
So, Emma, shall we write thissong?
Yes.
On our trademarked Jim Steinmansong Rating Scale?
Yes.
So this runs Jim Steinman forthe very finest of songs to Jim
(18:41):
Fineman for the finest of songsin a different way of using the
word fine for Yeah.
For the all rightest of And JimDeclineman for those ones, which
are well dodgy and also shit.
Emma, what is This This This isJim Steinman.
Let's all go to the Delta House.
(19:03):
Uh, yeah, just to clarify, DeltaHouse theme.
Jim Steinman.
Jim Fineman or Jim Declineman.
What's all to the Delta House.
Let's all go to the Delta House.
Good.
So that was Dead Ringer forLove.
Emma, what song have you broughtfor our listeners' delectation?
Emma (19:22):
I have brought Running For the Red Light, I Got a Life
from, Welcome to theNeighbourhood.
So go away and give that alisten on whatever platform you
choose.
and we'll be back after thisclip.
Soundtrack (19:47):
Have a good from the tequila,
Emma (19:57):
so you've just listened to running for the Red Light, I Got
a Life.
It was the third single fromWelcome to the Neighbourhood,
which came out in April, 1996.
There's no video for this one,presumably because they'd
spaffed all the budget on theprevious two singles, which were
I'd Lie for You and That's theTruth.
and Not a Dry Eye in the House.
The I'd Lie for You budget musthave been quite a big
Sam (20:19):
that That was the Indiana Jones
Emma (20:20):
loss.
Yes.
Yeah.
Not a Dry Eye was the one wherehe is in the theatre.
In the theatre,
Sam (20:24):
so following that graph line down.
The budget for a song aboutdriving very, very fast seems
unlikely.
it's
Emma (20:32):
Not even about driving very, very fast.
Oh.
It's about driving fast to getto Mexico.
To go and do drinking andshagging.
and I can't imagine the videowould terribly PG for that.
this was written by HarryVander, George Young, Patti
Russo Meat Loaf, and SarahDurkey, who also wrote Modern
Girl that we covered a whileback.
Sam (20:53):
It's that five people I've just counted.
Emma (20:54):
quite a lot of people.
But two of those people have noother, links to any Meat Loaf
stuff.
Sam (21:01):
And that's okay.
that's
Emma (21:01):
Harry Vander and George Young.
And they had to be credited onthe song because the chorus is
pretty much lifted straight fromsomething
Sam (21:09):
else.
Oh.
Emma (21:11):
I've sent you a link.
Sam (21:12):
Before I go into the link, I do just wanna comment one of
my thoughts about this song, isthat"gonna have a good time
tonight" is such a dross lyric.
Is this, is that the lyric thatthey've ripped off ric that
they've ripped.
Amazing.
Is that the Easybeats one?
quite like the Cripes.
(21:41):
So
Emma (21:42):
think it was done deliberately.
Sam (21:43):
Okay, so this isn't a case of they did it and then they got
Emma (21:46):
no.
I guess it's an homage to, theEasybeats, which is a deep cut,
isn't it?
Sam (21:52):
Friday on my Mind is a decent song but I wouldn't say
they're particularly homageworthy.
I
Emma (21:57):
familiar with them prior to this.
I quite like it.
it's fun.
Some people have said that theywere the Australian Beatles.
Sam (22:04):
Easybeats often come up on sixties compilation CDs.
Emma (22:07):
Yeah.
Sam (22:08):
the compiler is too cheap to pay for the the Beatles or
the Stones or people like that.
Emma (22:15):
but, you know, quite good fun.
they're the originators of thatlittle riff and you can feel
where the rest of it verydifferent themes to the songs
lyrically.
Sam (22:24):
There's
Emma (22:24):
other crossover.
But they are credited as,writing, this, so I have sent
you another link, Sam.
which is another version of theEasy Beats song.
this is by
Sam (22:32):
INXS
Emma (22:33):
and this was used on the Lost Boys soundtrack.
Sam (22:37):
Oh, okay.
Jim Steinman would've loved this
Emma (22:59):
You get the idea.
That's, where it all came from,
Sam (23:01):
but it's.
Such a nothing song to decide totake a snippet of and put in.
It's
Emma (23:05):
weird, isn't it?
Sam (23:06):
Yeah.
It's, nothing wrong with it,but,
Emma (23:10):
Welcome to the Neighbourhood has some really
dodgy parts.
Where the Rubber Meets the Roadis an unpleasant song.
as An album I quite enjoy it,but I think that's because it
came out at a time when, I waslistening to a lot of, as a kid.
and I, loved this song.
but the.
subject matter is a little bitropey, so it talks about, he's
(23:31):
gonna take a little trip andfind a Tijuana stray.
So he is going down to Mexicofor cheap booze and sex.
I'm not entirely sure if we'retalking, hiring sex workers here
or just trying to pick up easygirls.
a really dumb song as well.
Just need some understanding.
A girl who ain't demanding, whoain't afraid to fake it."
Sam (23:51):
reading though, Emma,"south border.
don't drink the water.
I'M not surprised Sarah Durkey'sfingerprint on this because she
also wrote, Where the RubberMeets the Road Yeah.
Which has a similarlyproblematic approach
Emma (24:08):
to women.
to women.
Sam (24:09):
to women and sex.
Emma (24:10):
What's wrong with Sarah?
Sam (24:12):
The patriarchy be insidious.
Emma (24:15):
So weird.
There's, there's not a lot tosay about the song.
it's an upbeat rocky.
Sam (24:20):
Yeah.
It's a It's fun number.
It's a fun dancing number.
if you don't listen to thelyrics, yeah, it's fine.
if you do listen to the lyrics,they are alternately creepy or.
Well, not even stupid, but if Iwas gonna write a parody of a
rock song, I would include the
Emma (24:40):
I Divine
Sam (24:40):
Gonna have a good time tonight.
And I know that's not MeatLoaf's fault in this instance,
but it is his fault for going,God, that was so good when The
Easybeats did it.
I have to take it.
we're gonna have a jolly nicetime today.
Emma (24:55):
I found some reviews.
From Chart Watch UK the thirdsingle from, this says Waking Up
the Neighbourhood.
This time Meat Loaf turns awayfrom the power ballads and rocks
out, big time.
Running for the Red Light ismore a tribute track, than
anything else with a chorus thatis lifted almost wholesale from
(25:16):
the classic Good Times, bestknown these days in the version
release by INXS as part of thesoundtrack to the film, the Lost
Boys, a blatant bit of borrowingHarry Vander and George Young of
the Easybeats were givensongwriting credits.
The lift was entirely adeliberate homage.
it doesn't really harm thetrack.
It turns into one of the moreimmediate party hits Mr.
Loaf has ever released.
(25:37):
It will struggle to match thetop 10 peak of the last two
hits, Not a Dry Eye in theHouse.
And I'd Lie For You, even if thetitle is of comparable length.
but I've got a review from SmashHits.
Oh, somebody's, I
Sam (25:50):
think we've been troubled by Smash Hits yet, have
Emma (25:52):
But now I've got a review from Smash Hits
Sam (25:55):
the, uh, the pop magazine of our
Emma (25:58):
Yep.
So singles reviewed by AlexNeedham.
Running for the Red Light, I Gota Life, gets three out of five.
"Meat Loaf opts for a dramaticchange of direction on a single
that is A fast and B fourminutes long.
It's got a nonsense titlethough, so that's okay then.
Though most people would ratherbe burned at the stake than
(26:19):
admit a penchant for Meat Loaf.
This record might have, um,secretly humming along.
It's less over the top thanusual and still hardly
understated and maybe quiteinvigorating with its guitar
spag out and furious chorus,just don't tell your trendy
mates."
Sam (26:40):
I wish I paid by the
Emma (26:42):
In the same edition of this little review section in,
Smash Hits, reviewed by AlexNeedham.
There's also a review of aAlanis Morissette Ironic.
Oh.
Which must have come out at thesame time.
She's talented, she's goodlooking, but she doesn't do much
for me".
So already Alex is in trouble
Sam (27:04):
Jesus,
Emma (27:06):
this arms aloft rumination on the irony of life, will no
doubt be acclaimed by thesquillions who lapped up her
last hits.
But to moi, it sounds like thekind of quirky adult bracket,
ah, rock which Americans go batsover, but which us Brits wisely
tend to ignore.
(27:27):
Then again, it could grow on me,become a top three hit and
convert me to the charms ofMademoiselle Mozza.
Wouldn't that be ironic?" twostars.
Sam (27:39):
I feel queasy.
Emma (27:41):
I'm not very happy with that.
Sam (27:43):
Alex Needham.
If you are listening, go fuckyourself.
Uh, if you know Alex Needham offormerly of Smash Hits Magazine
fame, do let us knowchatoutofhell@gmail.com.
Emma (27:53):
There's some in the same section.
Sam (27:56):
well, no, Emma, the
Emma (27:58):
Cranberries, Salvation,
Sam (28:00):
hang on Before you go on.
Is it quite good?
Except for the fact that a womanis in it?
Is
Emma (28:04):
one star
Sam (28:06):
salvation
Emma (28:07):
Millions love her but Dolores O'Riordan reminds me of
a school teacher who'd put youin detention if you dare
question her dodgy band'sintegrity." This was a time when
reviewing was particularlybrutal.
Mm.
In the nineties.
That sort of swagger.
Thing.
I remember Catlin Moran talkingabout when she demolished bands.
(28:29):
In her reviews.
unnecessarily.
Sam (28:32):
Oh dear.
Emma (28:36):
There's also a review of Ash, Goldfinger.
Which gets four stars.
And I always found Ash be alittle bit bland.
Sam (28:44):
are there any women in Ash?
There you go.
Emma (28:47):
Single of the week, which gets five stars is the Manic
Street Preachers A Design ForLife.
I have no problem
Sam (28:54):
No, I have no problem
Emma (28:55):
quite the Manics,
Sam (28:56):
of all of the songs that we've just listed, I'm putting
that at the bottom.
Emma (28:59):
It's the least interesting.
Sam (29:01):
Yeah.
but then again, there's no girlsin it
Emma (29:04):
music
Sam (29:04):
music for
Emma (29:05):
but to counter that.
Sam (29:07):
Oh no.
Uh,
Emma (29:07):
he's given five stars to Everything but the Girl Walking
Wounded, there's definitely agirl in that.
Sam (29:14):
There is, well maybe he misunderstood the name,
Emma (29:20):
but that was an interesting little find a
Sam (29:22):
that was quite a nice little, dip
Emma (29:24):
Splash hit
Sam (29:25):
the history of music reviewing.
Emma (29:28):
Yeah, let's never go there again.
Sam (29:30):
Yeah.
horrible.
I'm just thinking back to when Iused to review
Emma (29:35):
Oh, I used to review music as well.
What did you review music
Sam (29:39):
reviewed for a publication called Disorder.
I think I was only ever on theirwebsite.
Emma (29:48):
was that around the same time as Drowned in Sound was a
thing?
2, 3, 4, 5.
Sam (29:52):
3, 4,
Emma (29:53):
Oh.
Drowned in Sound was aroundpossibly a bit earlier than I
did some reviews for myuniversity
Sam (29:59):
Mm-hmm.
Emma (29:59):
I did some reviews and some interviews of just whatever
junk they sent us through.
and a lot of it was like stuffyou'd never heard of.
Sam (30:06):
Yeah.
A real mix of stuff I'd neverheard of and genres I had no
interest in.
Emma (30:10):
Yeah.
There was a lot of that.
But, as a result of doing that,I did get to interview Snow
Patrol.
Oh yeah.
Outside a pub in Middlesbrough.
Sam (30:19):
did you feel that though when you were writing music
reviews?
'cause I've just been thinkingabout this.
Did you still feel the coolthing to do here is to find a
really, snarky, funny way to saythis music is not to my tastes.
Haha.
Emma (30:33):
pretty sure I did.
Yeah, I
Sam (30:34):
as well.
Yeah.
Awful,
Emma (30:35):
it?
Yeah.
I hope that if I was to ever doit again, which I never will,
Sam (30:40):
although if you do wanna send us, one of those samplers,
I'm not, I'm not taking links.
I'm not taking MP3 links likethey do now.
I'm only
Emma (30:47):
sample CDs?
Sam (30:48):
If I get one of those CDs with a photocopied bit of stuff
in the plastic wallets, Ihappily
Emma (30:53):
accept a link.
I don't need more stuff in mylife.
yeah.
I would like to think that if Idid it now, I'd be less of a
wanker.
Sam (31:01):
Um, a different wanker maybe.
Emma (31:02):
Yeah.
But I think with age comes
Sam (31:04):
less of a prick.
Emma (31:05):
Yeah.
Just a bit more mellow.
Yeah.
A bit more accepting
Sam (31:08):
Different Yeah.
Emma (31:09):
and also, you know, I've had my own heart broken with
reviews, so
Sam (31:15):
it's time to rate this on our trusty Meat Loaf song rating
scale, which has served us for awhole year so far.
Emma, our Meat Loaf song ratingscale goes from Marvin Lee Aday
for his very finest non JimSteinman works Marvin Lee Okay
for his okayest of songs andMarvin Lee.
No way for all the ones that wehear and go.
(31:39):
So, which side of the, Okay noWay border does this song sit
Emma (31:43):
It does sort of surf that.
Okay No Way border
Sam (31:46):
it's on the edge isn't it?
Emma (31:47):
I
Sam (31:47):
I think it's Is it,
Emma (31:49):
I think, I think just about, oh.
Oh, shit.
I used to really like the song,but now I've looked at it and
listened to the words properly.
It's a bit skeevy, isn't it?
Sam (31:59):
It is a bit skeevy.
Do you want me read out what'smade it onto the No Way list so
far?
Yeah, And that might help us.
we have Where the Rubber Meetsthe Road.
It's not as bad as that.
No, it's not.
It is not great.
But it's not, bad as that.
It's not as bad as, oh boy.
Uh, Los Angeloser.
Emma (32:17):
Oh, I fucking hate
Sam (32:19):
And 45 Seconds of Ecstasy.
Oh, and Rock and RollMercenaries,
Emma (32:23):
obviously.
I think it might be an Okay.
Sam (32:26):
Do you think it's better than Rock and Roll Mercenaries?
Emma (32:30):
Musically.
Yeah,
Sam (32:32):
I think you're right actually.
Rock and Roll Mercenaries isgreat fun to sing along to safe
in the knowledge that it'sfucking garbage.
It Rubish.
So, yeah, I think you're right,Emma.
Let's declare this a Marvin LeeOkay.
Yes, it's all right.
It's fine.
Emma (32:49):
Good.
Sam (32:50):
Okay, that was our songs this episode.
Did you like them?
Did you think we were wrong?
Did you think they were rubbish?
Do you have opinions on Cher'shair in that video?
chatoutofhell@gmail.com wheresome of these people have sent
messages in recent weeks?
Yeah.
We've had a quite a few messagesfrom various people adding stuff
(33:11):
into the Mm-hmm.
Bins.
So thank you to, quite a fewpeople.
David Gillespie's been in touch.
All right.
Fellow young people all.
You're cool.
Cool dude.
Sup.
you mentioned on a recentepisode that you're intending to
(33:33):
do some more research on PaulCrook.
So Paul Crook was the producerof Braver Than We Are the last
album.
There's an interesting anglethat I've never seen explicitly
mentioned before regarding how Ithink he ended up with Meat
Loaf.
Crook was a member of eightiesthrash metal titans Anthrax
during the late nineties.
Not a key figure by any stretchof the imagination.
(33:54):
Very much a hired hand.
But the main guitarist inAnthrax, Scott Ian, is married
to one Pearl Aday, Loaf'sdaughter.
Probably not a coincidence thatCrook made his way to Meat Loaf
after leaving Anthrax.
I like that.
I don't really know anythingabout Anthrax, do you?
Emma (34:12):
All I know is when I was at school, one of my friends
started buying Anthrax CDs.
Sam (34:19):
Okay.
Emma (34:20):
from the local flea market.
Sam (34:22):
Okay.
Anthrax are one of those, coolmetal bands whose logo is like
in a cool fonts and it's ah,Anthrax
Emma (34:31):
They do seem very raw.
Sam (34:32):
Yeah.
Yeah.
we might have to learn a bitmore about them then.
since they've got
Emma (34:36):
oh God.
Am I
Sam (34:36):
have possibly.
Okay.
Thank you David for that.
RL Gray's been in yay.
Hi rl.
rl.
I'm not gonna read all youremail.
I do apologize.
RL basically agrees with usabout everything.
Emma (34:50):
lovely stuff.
Sam (34:50):
but we were talking about our famous doppelgangers.
Oh, yes.
Emma (34:53):
Ah, yes.
Sam (34:53):
Yeah.
RL's doppelgangers that otherpeople have suggested include
Bruce Willis and Paul Bettany.
Yeah, I, I can, stop see that?
I can see that.
and also RL, I wanted to readthis bit out because you might
not be aware of this, there is avideo on YouTube you need to
find called Moby.
Emma (35:17):
Yep.
Sam (35:18):
Moby Song by, Adam Buxton.
He's a British comediancomparing various famous bald
white men.
So you might see yourself overand over and over again in that
video.
comments on the Dream Engine.
RL has listened to bits of thesame recording as us, though not
the whole thing, because thequality makes it rough going
even if you are into thematerial.
(35:40):
As you know, it's ridiculouslyself-indulgent and
self-important in the way that,well, not only student theatre,
but often student theatre can beBut it is interesting to see the
genesis of so many of thesefinally, Chris Matts, So Chris
emailed to ask us what songs wethought Meat Loaf should have
covered.
(36:01):
Thanks for reading out myquestion again a few months ago
and giving it way more attentionthan it deserved wrong.
It was a great question.
I don't know if you guys haveheard of Steve Steinman, I'm
sure he started as a Meat Loaftribute and he's gone on to do
many stage shows based aroundvampires, et cetera, but all are
heavily Meat Loaf influenced.
One of his original songsSomething of the Night may be
the best song that Jim didn'tget to write.
(36:24):
So I have heard a bit aboutSteve Steinman.
he pops up on my Facebookadverts quite a bit.
Yeah.
I didn't realize he was nowstriving ahead of us in the
writing a Jim Steinman stylesong I think we might need to
dig a bit deeper into SteveSteinman at some point.
Emma.
Yeah.
And maybe, go see one of hisshows next time he's near us.
Yeah.
Um, if possible, could I get ashout out for 10 are if's best
Meat Loaf Tribute Act, DavidFrame, or as we call him, Davey
Emma (36:47):
picture.
Sam (36:48):
Enclo.
Yeah.
Shout out to Davey Loaf.
That's our messages fromlisteners that, Emma, I've got
something for you.
Have you?
Yeah, you gave me a, ananniversary present.
Emma (36:57):
Oh, yes, I did.
I gave you some.
A one
Sam (36:59):
yes You gave me some, A one sauce.
I've got a little anniversarypresent for you Here you go.
Take a look at this.
Emma (37:05):
Still Beating Songs for Jim Steinman Napier.
And
Sam (37:10):
Friend.
This is something that, a coupleof people on social media
alerted me to.
this is a fanzine, that waspublished, on the fourth
anniversary of Jim's death.
By Claire Napier, who's a comicseditor and various other people
have contributed to it.
It's really good.
It is full of kind of littleessays and artworks and
Emma (37:29):
oh my god, this is amazing,
Sam (37:31):
articles and personal essays on Jim his work.
it's a really fun thing.
I wanna recommend it to ouralso, I'm not sure if Claire or
someone involved is a listener,because I did a.
Uh, they're not tweets.
Whatever it is on Blue sky, Ableet about how I was gonna pick
up some copies for the podcast.
(37:52):
I ordered one copy, I receivedtwo.
So either, we have listeners whogave us a free copy, in Claire
and friends, or we have anadministrative error that gave
us a free copy.
But either way, Thank you Claireand everybody so much.
this is a really cool piece.
Fantastic.
It's really good.
there's a great essay by, Yeah.
(38:13):
The artwork's.
Brilliant.
We were talking earlier todayabout the British experience of
America.
Yeah.
and how stuff.
Leached across, there's a pieceby, T Trewhela and apologies if
I've pronounced your name wrong,about growing up in the
northeast of England.
Oh.
Having these US imports comingover in the, in the nineties,
and how incredible the USOAlooked to us Yeah.
(38:36):
Across the Atlantic.
So a lot of stuff that we'vebeen talking about expressed in
other ways.
So yeah,
Emma (38:41):
just briefly flicking through this, I've already
stumbled onto something that istruly wonderful, and that is an
illustration of Jim and HulkHogan and a
Sam (38:50):
mention
Emma (38:50):
of Hulk Hogan's theme.
this is awesome.
Sam (38:53):
It's a really cool piece.
Yeah, no, thank you to ClaireNapier and everybody else who's
pulled it together.
This I'm pretty sure you canorder it digitally.
I guess they've got a publishingthing in the UK and they've
recently just been able to sendprinted copies to people in the
US as well.
So if you are interested, it iscalled Still Beating Songs for
Jim Steinman.
(39:14):
and you can buy it from itch.io,which I never know how to
pronounce.
Is it pronounced Itch?
Eo Is it pronounced Itch io.
It, you know the thing I mean.
Ichi It's a me Ichi.
Emma (39:30):
Oh, that's a very different video
Sam (39:31):
game,
Emma (39:31):
isn't it?
Sam (39:34):
Emma, what songs are we doing next time?
Emma (39:36):
next time I'm gonna delve into an album that we've not
touched on yet, which is twothousand and eleven's Hell in a
Hand Basket.
And I'm gonna go for the firstsingle from that, which is
called Stand In the Storm.
Sam (39:47):
Ooh, that sounds like it might be good.
Emma (39:50):
Here's hoping,
Sam (39:53):
and I'm gonna dip into our requests box.
Two people have requested thisone, RL, Gray and Max.
Heavy as Jesus from Meat Loafand s Stoney's album.
So this is Meat Loaf's albumfrom before he'd even met Jim.
Aw.
Imagine.
So listeners, do a little bit ofhomework on those if you like.
Keep your general Meat Loafthoughts, anecdotes, and
(40:15):
opinions flying in.
Did you see Meat Loaf skiingdown the slopes of Aspen?
Let us know.
Chat out of hell@gmail.com.
Well go away.
Do your homework.
We're gonna go do ours and we'llsee you again in two more weeks
time for another Chat out ofHell.
Bye.
Bow now.
Now
Emma (40:34):
bing.
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