May 18, 2025 • 40 mins
Where did Meat Loaf's career begin? Not here, but it's quite close. Time for another break from Jim Steinman's zany antics as we dive into Meat Loaf's Motown past and his angry... well, not future. More recent past.
This episode we dive into Meat's first recorded album and then some shouty angry MAN ROCK from one of his later ones. And on the way, we'll answer some of the questions like:
- What does a Jesus weigh?
- How wrong is Louder Sounds's ranking of Meat Loaf albums?
- How do you make an angry young man song when you're an old man with nothing to be angry about?
PLUS a lengthy discussion on American v British reality shows and the usual sundry nonsense.
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Music extracts on this episode:
(I'd Love to Be) As Heavy As Jesus by Stoney and Meatloaf from the album Stoney and Meatloaf (1971)
Stand in the Storm by Meat Loaf from the album Hell in a Handbasket (2011)
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Transcript
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Sam (00:00):
Hey Emma, what is this?
Emma (00:02):
This is Chat Out of Hell, the podcast where we consume
only the meatiest morsels ofMeat Loaf and coughed all down
with a stein full of JimSteinman.
Sam (00:13):
Ooh, okay.
Who's Meat Loaf
Emma (00:16):
Meatloaf was a singer, songwriter and actor who refused
to eat the food stuff Meat Loaf,claiming it was a conflict of
interest.
Who's Jim Steinman?
Sam (00:26):
Jim Steinman is the writer behind Meat Loaf's Best Work.
Today's podcast doesn't featureMeat Loaf's best work, so it
features no Jim Steinman.
Emma (00:36):
Who are we
Sam (00:37):
We are Emma Crossland and Sam Wilkinson.
Two people who enjoyed listeningto Meat Loaf once on a car ride
together and look what we'redoing now.
Welcome to Chat Out Of Hell Bow.
Now.
Now, now Bing.
Here we go again.
Hello, Emma.
you alright?,
Emma (00:56):
good, thank you.
Sam (00:57):
It's Eurovision tonight.
It is.
So here's a thought that I'mgonna plant in your brain
mm-hmm.
That I should have done aboutthree weeks ago so that the
listeners could play along aswell.
But Yeah.
What Jim Steinman song would yousubmit to Eurovision?
Emma (01:12):
Oh,
Sam (01:12):
I'm gonna come back to your answer in the letters section.
Letters
Emma (01:15):
section.
The mailbag,
Sam (01:18):
the electronic.
Oh yeah, the mailbag.
Emma (01:20):
How's the allotment doing?
Sam (01:22):
Full of grass and not wet
Emma (01:24):
okay.
Yeah.
So we're, we're, we're prayingfor rain.
Sam (01:29):
We are praying for
Emma (01:31):
thoughts
Sam (01:31):
Is
Emma (01:32):
and
Sam (01:33):
Is"praying for rain" a line out of a Steinman song
Emma (01:36):
Sounds like it should be, doesn't it?
Sam (01:38):
I'm in a sex drought and I'm praying for rain.
Emma (01:41):
If it's not, then that's going into our.
Song, good call.
I'm in a sex drought and I'mpraying for rain.
Sam (01:48):
anyway.
This is Chat Out Of Hell, thepodcast in which we both bring a
Meat Loaf or a Jim Steinman songto our podcast table to analyze
in our own inimitable waybecause who wants to imitate
this?
This time I'm bringing one ofMeat Loaf's very first recorded
songs.
(02:08):
(I'd Love to Be) As Heavy AsJesus, which he did on the album
Stoney and Meat Loaf, which wasas part of the double act Stoney
and Meat Loaf.
Emma (02:17):
I wonder if they were as successful a double act as we
are
Sam (02:21):
mildly more successful.
I will point out that postbreakup, they both did much
better.
Just saying, Emma,
Emma (02:30):
I see where this is
Sam (02:31):
going.
Emma, what song have youbrought?
Emma (02:34):
I brought Stand in the Storm from the album Hell in a
Hand Basket from 2011.
Sam (02:39):
That sounds like it might be full of excitement and big
loud noises.
Emma (02:44):
Oh, it's full of all sorts of
Sam (02:47):
Lovely.
Well, we'll find out about thatone later on.
'cause we are gonna start with,I'd Love To Be as Heavy as Jesus
so listeners go away.
Find, I'd Love To Be as Heavy AsJesus by Stoney and Meat Loaf.
Meat Loaf, all one word thistime, on your YouTubes, your
Spotifys.
You could probably find a copyof it in a dusty old record
shop, or you could find one ofthe many reissues of it that
(03:09):
were released when Meat Loaf wasbig and famous, and anything
with his name on would sell bigtime.
So go away, find those.
Listen to them.
We'll be right back after thisshort clip of it.
Soundtrack (03:18):
I just want love that devil and see God in every
single man.
I just wanna spread joy likethat little boy who walked,
walked, be heavy.
(03:43):
I
Sam (03:43):
We've just listened to I'd Love To Be as Heavy as Jesus and
so maybe have you, perhaps.
Emma, what do you think aboutthat?
Emma (03:50):
It's alright, innit.
Quite a, jolly little number.
Sure.
I do wonder how heavy Jesus is.
Sam (03:56):
Well, Meat Loaf did sing this song in his audition for, a
Broadway show that Jim wasdirecting.
That's how they met.
Aw.
To which Jim responded, I thinkyou're as heavy as two Jesuses.
Emma (04:11):
Oh, Jim, you your fat shaming.
Sam (04:13):
your little scamp.
Um, that's all I have to say onthe subject of Jesus' weight, do
you know what?
I've really let you down, Emma.
I'm sure there's biblicalcommentary on how heavy
Emma (04:26):
was, but you've just not put in the hours
Sam (04:31):
you proposing then that Meat Loaf was actually saying,
I'd like to lose some weight.
So I'm as heavy as Jesus.
I'm Jesus.
Is this the Jesus diet?
Get yourself down to Jesusweight.
Get Jesus body ready.
quite a nice song, isn't it?
Yeah.
Obviously it's not what we'rehere at the Meat Loaf shop for.
Emma (04:50):
No.
If I'm at the Meat Loaf shop, Iwant more drama.
Sam (04:54):
Something of a tonal shift.
Quite nice Gospely.
Yeah.
Gospely Rock sound, Certainly ofits time.
And its time was 1971.
Yeah.
And this was released on theMotown subsidiary Rare Earth.
So you can absolutely hear thatthis is a Motown record.
Yeah.
It's, have you listened to anyof the rest of the, of the, of
the disc yet?
Emma (05:13):
Um, back when we first started doing this, I did give
some of the album a bit of alisten, one night, but it is a
while ago now, haven't given itmuch of a listen since.
I've been so busy in the othersections of the Meat Loaf shop.
Sam (05:26):
Yeah.
Emma (05:27):
Trying out all the various meat loafs,
Sam (05:30):
meats,
Emma (05:31):
meat loaf.
Sam (05:33):
My notes here say it's nothing special, but it's quite
fun.
it's all right.
Turn it off.
Yeah.
Emma (05:39):
who, Who's Stoney?
Sam (05:40):
We'll come onto who Stoney is.
We'll start with, Meat history.
And we won't dive all the wayback into Meat history'cause his
early life is quite sad andtragic.
Yeah.
We will dive into that.
Another point.
But for now, Meat Loaf's storystarts in LA where he flew out
from his native Texas, escapinghis unhappy youth and he founded
(06:00):
a band called Meat Loaf Soul in1968.
Their very first gig was openingfor Van Morrison's band Them.
Yeah.
This is what happens in music.
You don't get this in comedy.
All comedians' first gig is in abasement with a man and a dog,
and then bands get to form aband and be like, oh, can we go
(06:23):
open for whoever?
Yeah, you can.
Emma (06:25):
Who do you want to open for Sam?
Sam (06:27):
Um, I'd like to open for Meat Loaf.
I'd like to walk out and do my,my 20 minute club set.
the one about how lovely my dogis.
I'll do that
Emma (06:41):
How the museum stuff,
Sam (06:43):
The museum stuff.
will go down perfectly.
Emma (06:45):
Yeah.
The ideal warmup
Sam (06:47):
for
Emma (06:47):
night of rock.
Sam (06:50):
They played a load of gigs.
They opened many a band., Theband underwent several changes
of lead guitarists, changing thename of the band each time to
names including Popcorn Blizzardand Floating Circus.
as Floating Circus they'veopened for the Who, the Fugs,
the Stooges, the Grateful Dead.
Emma (07:09):
Wow.
This is a, this is a big list.
Sam (07:11):
Yeah.
Regional success is whatWikipedia ascribes to them.
They did release a single OnceUpon a Time.
I've neither found nor lookedfor that single.
yet.
Um, but to watch the list offthe back of that, he joined the
LA production of Hair.
Yes.
Which then turned into a touringproduction.
And in Detroit that's where theywere spotted by, Motown.
(07:33):
Stoney was also a cast member onHair.
Aha.
Emma (07:35):
Ahuh.
Sam (07:37):
And the two of them were invited to, form a duo and cut a
disc.
Emma (07:42):
So more sort of manufactured
Sam (07:44):
Yeah.
This is, well this is Motown'sthing.
Get acts write then a load ofsongs.
Make a disc.
Does it work?
No.
Get out then.
Bish Bash bosh.
Probably.
Emma (07:55):
Is that where we're going wrong, Sam?
Do we need to get other peopleto write our material for us
Sam (07:59):
Or, just go on our way, bish bash bosh.
Who knows?
feel
Emma (08:05):
like you're dropping hints.
Sam (08:08):
I'm just saying Emma, we've talked a lot about what Jim was
like pre Meat Loaf.
Yeah.
And now we're talking about MeatLoaf pre Jim.
I was gonna ask this later on,but I'll do it now.
Are we in our pre or postmeeting?
Oh my
Emma (08:21):
my God.
Oh,
Sam (08:26):
are you my Jim Steinman or are you my Stoney?
Who knows?
Emma (08:33):
I am wounded.
Sam (08:37):
You could be the Jim.
Emma (08:40):
I don't wanna be Jim though.
Sam (08:42):
Oh, sorry.
Am I your Jim?
Do you wanna be Meat?
Emma (08:46):
Right, I think we have to play a game of who's got the
most disgusting mattress.
That's how we settle
Sam (08:54):
even on a podcast not about him, we got his mattress into
it.
So yeah, this is a, I was gonnacall it classic Motown, but I
don't know enough about Motowngenerally, but it was, it is
like a music factory.
Yeah.
I was gonna do a bit all aboutMotown for this, and then I, so
we'll come back to that.
But yeah, bring'em in, write'emsome songs.
See how they do, Meat Loaf leftthe label after this album
(09:18):
because one of his favoritesongs, they later redid the
vocals.
They'd cut out Meat Loaf andStoney's vocals, and Edwin Starr
recorded them instead.
the song, Who is the Leader ofthe People?
Meat's favorite song on the, onthe album and they rereleased
it.
So he storms off in a huff.
Emma (09:37):
classic Meat Loaf.
And more on his huffs later
Sam (09:41):
I'm excited for huffs..
Meat commented on this album in1978.
He said"it was junk, it was likean R and B sort of thing, you
know, that was eight years ago.
That was my first recordcontract, and I really didn't
know what I was doing, so I justdid what they told me to do."
This song was covered one yearlater by the band Joshua on
(10:02):
their album, which was alsocalled Joshua.
It is incredibly hard to findanything out about an album by a
band called Joshua with the nameJoshua, when it also features
the word Jesus.
Yes.
Because if you Google Heavy asJesus and Joshua, you get Bible
shit wall to wall, even properGoogle couldn't have done it,
and that was before it turnedinto Ai dog shit.
(10:24):
Now no chance.
Wow.
I don't think it's onlineanywhere.
I just found it mentioned ondiscogs.
Yeah.
Um, Louder Sounds said that thisalbum was Meat Loaf's sixth
best.
Yeah.
I don't think this is so much ofan endorsement of this album as
a rejection of most of what herecorded.
Yeah.
Although they put this albumahead of Welcome to the
(10:47):
Neighbourhood.
Emma (10:48):
Oh, that's not right.
Yeah.
Welcome to the Neighbourhood'sgot some real bangers bangers
I'd love to know the order.,
Sam (10:52):
Do you want the full rundown?
Yeah, Okay.
If you can give me the, uh,
Emma (10:57):
do,
Sam (11:03):
in it.
Number 13, regarded as trulydeplorable.
It's Blind Before I Stop.
Emma (11:09):
Yeah.
Sam (11:12):
Number 12 Braver than We Are.
Emma (11:15):
Yeah.
Sam (11:15):
Yeah..
Decades old scraps fromabandoned musicals as well as
songs previously flopped byBonnie Tyler and Sisters of
Mercy.
It's bad, man.
Number 11, Hell in a Hand Basket2011,
Emma (11:29):
is what I'm covering today.
Sam (11:31):
Public Enemy's Chuck D shows up for a rap cameo and
Meat butchers CaliforniaDreamin' for what seems like an
hour.
Moving on to number 10, it'sCouldn't Have Said it Better
wherein Meat goes it aloneeschewing any Steinman songs
completely, employing a handfulof writers to create tepid sound
alikes.
At number nine it's Midnight inthe Lost and Found.
Emma (11:51):
Yep.
Seems fair.
I think, I think couldn't havesaid it better.
We've enjoyed some of the
Sam (11:58):
we have.
We have one track We've enjoyedsomething off midnight and lost
and found.
At eight, Welcome to theNeighbourhood.
Fail to produce any real hits ofnote.
It went platinum anyway.
Then down to number seven, BadAttitude.
What is that doing there?
Yeah.
Created during the relentlessglam metal wave of the mid
eighties, this is Meat's hardestrocking record.
(12:19):
A veritable orgy of shreddingand whooping.
Emma (12:22):
Perhaps we need to listen to that a little bit more
Sam (12:24):
then.
Yeah.
Apparently buoyed by thestorming single Modern Girls.
Emma (12:28):
Well, we've listened to Modern Girl.
We've
Sam (12:30):
it.
Yeah, I was gonna say that'sModern Girl and that's not that
Emma (12:34):
No.
Sam (12:35):
six, it's Stoney and Meat Loaf.
minor gem and a frothy stew ofbrass and thunder, full bluesy r
and b and sexed up gospel rock.
considered Heavy as Jesus to bethe highlights and number five,
Bat out of Hell Three.
Emma (12:50):
Crikey.
Yeah, that's high on the list.
Sam (12:56):
Steinman and Meat were in a legal battle over ownership of
the Bat, out of Hell phrase, soSteinman relinquished production
to the slightly less bombasticDesmond Child.
And we do mean slightly as thisis still an incredibly over the
top album.
It's not Come on.
Number four, Dead Ringer.
More lowkey and less conceptythan Bat.
(13:16):
It nonetheless satisfied theitch for epic Wagnerian rock and
roll, and is anchored by threestrong singles.
Read'em and Weep.
I'm Gonna Love Her for the Bothof Us.
And the title, track a duet withCher.
Emma, you are gonna blow yourtop.
There's a name that's beenmissing so far,
Emma (13:34):
Uhhuh
Sam (13:36):
number three, Meat Loaf's third best album according to
Louder Sound.
Hang Cool Teddy Bear.
Fuck Off
Emma (13:42):
Fuck Off
Sam (13:47):
Meat really went all in on this one.
Emma (13:50):
This is the one with Los Angeloser on it, it?
Yes, it's, which is a song thatmakes me angry.
Sam (13:55):
The result is a flash fire of fevered visions colliding in
an audacious, ramshackle,wonderfully ridiculous
collection of bombastic theatrerock that really needs to be
heard to be believed.
I agree with that.
At least maybe
Emma (14:06):
rest of it is better.
Sam (14:07):
I don't think so because the YouTube video they've
embedded is Los Angeloser.
Oh no.
Emma (14:12):
Oh no.
Sam (14:13):
And then number two is Bat Out of Hell Two and of course
number one was Bat Out of Hell.
Emma (14:18):
Do you know what?
I disagree with those as well.
Sam (14:20):
What the
Emma (14:20):
order?
Yeah.
Sam (14:21):
Yeah.
Emma (14:22):
I put Bat Two
Sam (14:23):
I think Bat Two only works in the context of bat one.
Emma (14:26):
I'd still put it
Sam (14:29):
listeners, if you disagree with Louder Sounds's ranking, go
on.
Rank all of Meat Loaf's albumsfor us.
I dare you.
Chat out of hell@gmail.com.
The song was written by,, PattiJerome, Ralph Terrano and Mike
Valvano.
Jerome and Valvano both wrote afew songs on this album.
Mm-hmm.
Interestingly, Meat was stillperforming What You See Is What
You Get from this album as lateas his 1996 live album Live
(14:52):
Around The World.
He didn't move on from theStoney days.
The quote from him earlierimplies he was quite embarrassed
about it, but he brought itback.
Emma (15:01):
But sometimes it is nice to throw in things from the
Yeah.
The
Sam (15:03):
Yeah.
The early days, like Eastereggs, yeah.
What You See Is What You Get wasalso the B side on a single Is
Nothing Sacred, which is aSteinman penned tune, recorded
for Welcome to theNeighbourhood, but not used
until a 1998 Best Of, and youcan't put unreleased songs on a
Best Of, I don't care who youare,
Emma (15:24):
And yet.
Sam (15:25):
Would you like to know about Stoney?
Yes.
She was born Sean Murphy.
Yeah.
She stayed with Motown afterMeat Loaf, terminated the
contract, after which she'sworked with a lot of acts.
Immediately after Meat Loafleft, she worked with Bob Seger
and the horrible racist EricClapton.
a shame.
But she's then sung, toured andrecorded with acts such as the
(15:47):
Moody Blues, Herbie Hancock,Phil Collins, Glen Fray, Joe
Walsh, Bruce Hornsby, MichaelBolton, Alice Cooper.
Crikey.
Yeah.
And 1993, she became a full-timemember of the band Little Feat,
which is an incrediblecoincidence because at the exact
same time, Los del Rio werereleasing their single Macarena.
(16:09):
Isn't that amazing?
Emma (16:10):
That is amazing.
Sam (16:11):
you so much.
Yeah.
In 1993, she did a thing and sodid they.
Wow.
Emma (16:15):
that's Mind blowing.
That is a really good way ofgetting that
Sam (16:18):
in there.
Emma (16:19):
this time.
I did wonder
Sam (16:21):
From 2009 onwards, she released a series of albums
under the name of the SeanMurphy Band.
I've listened to a little bit ofit.
It's all right.
R and b Bluesy.
She's been nominated for Grammysand she's won loads of other
lesser awards, so she's donepretty well for herself.
Emma (16:35):
Good on you, Stoney.
Sam (16:36):
Good on you kid.
But Emma, would you like thequiz?
Emma (16:40):
I would like the quiz.
Sam (16:41):
Which of these is the real name of an album by the Sean
Murphy Band?
Is it A The Trouble With LovingB I Like It C The Sean Murphy
Band's World D.
Push the Beat for this Jam, or EWhigfield
Emma (17:09):
What am I supposed to do with this Whigfield?
Sam (17:14):
What?
Emma (17:15):
It's not Whigfield.
I'm
Sam (17:16):
I'm
Emma (17:19):
gonna go with a loving.
Yeah.
The trouble with loving.
Could
Sam (17:22):
Could you go four of the others, please?
No.
Yeah, it was that one.
Emma (17:31):
Where have the others come from?
Sam
Sam (17:33):
I'm glad you asked, Emma.
I like it is the Englishtranslation of, ah, me, me Gua
the 1993 album by Los Del Rio.
More famous for Macarena.
Of course.
See that wasn't a Sean Murphyalbum, but Scatman's World is
the name of the 1994 albumScatman John, do you wanna guess
what Push the Beat for this Jamis from Yeah.
(17:54):
2002.
And Whigfield Yeah.
It's an album by Whigfield.
Ruined my fun.
Emma (18:02):
Oh.
Oh.
But it feels good.
I got one, right?
Sam (18:06):
Yeah.
Emma (18:11):
but I've ruined your day.
Sam (18:12):
What price my happiness.
Emma (18:15):
Shit.
The double act really is over,isn't it?
But we've got so much toawkwardly struggle through
Sam (18:20):
do.
Um,
Emma (18:20):
well resentment builds.
Sam (18:23):
Tell you what, Emma, would you like to hear what the people
of the internet think about thissong?
I would, yes.
Emma (18:27):
yes.
Sam (18:27):
Okay.
Not a lot.
Luckily I did have thisconversational gem, which I was
delighted to find atmoviereviews4life.
Very catchy.
Not sure if this is a religiousalbum, but the music's good.
Huge fan of Meat Loaf from JimSteinman's work on his solo
albums.
This is definitely an album thathas eluded me after I finished
(18:48):
getting the rest of hiscatalogue and the Ted Nugent's
album Free for All, I'll be sureto get the re-release that came
out a couple of years ago", towhich at S Bigneus replied"Jim
Steinman was not involved inproducing this album".
To which movie Reviews For Lifecame back.
"I never said he was involved inthis album.
(19:10):
I said, I like Meat Loaf and JimStein's work together on his
solo albums.
This isn't a solo album, it's aduet album."
Emma (19:19):
Angry, angry People of
Sam (19:21):
Yep.
Um, it's weird that this songinspired such rage.
I a lovely song about how Jesusis quite nice and maybe we
should be but Jim Steinmandidn't produce it.
That's all we've got to say onthis.
Emma (19:38):
Yeah, it's all right.
Isn't it?
quite nice.
It's quite nice.
Yeah.
Inoffensive.,
Sam (19:42):
If it came on Six Music on a Sunday afternoon, I'd be like,
Hmm, that is it.
That's a deep cut.
Well done Six Music.
Emma (19:50):
You'd be really knowing about
Sam (19:51):
it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And yeah, I know that oneactually.
yeah.
Huh?
Huh?
He said he was gonna play someMeat Loaf and then he played
this, and that has surprisedeverybody I liked him before he
played rock music, actually.
I think he's much more suited toa gospel should we rate this
song then, Emma?
Okay.
All of our Meat Loaf songs thatdon't feature Jim Steinman are
(20:14):
rated on our special Meat Loafsong rating scale, which we've
not dusted off for a littlewhile, I think.
No.
So just to refresh our listenersour Meat Loaf song rating scale
starts with Marvin Lee Aday, forthe very finest songs.
Marvin Lee Okay.
In the middle, all the way downto Marvin Lee No Way for the
misogyny stuff that he'd done,but Emma, what's this?
(20:37):
It's
Emma (20:38):
Marvin Lee Okay innit
Sam (20:39):
it's Marvin Lee Okay.
Emma (20:40):
It's alright.
It's fine.
Sam (20:42):
Marvin Lee.
Okay.
With apologies to the twolisteners who requested that we
cover this song, but we justhave so little to say about the
content of the song itself.
It's fine.
It's there.
It is interesting to listen towhere Meat Loaf started before
somebody shoved a guitar in hishand and went, yeah.
Emma.
Emma (21:02):
Yes.
Sam (21:02):
What song have you brought for our listeners' delectation?
Emma (21:05):
I've brought Stand In the Storm from Hell in a Hand
Basket.
There's no official video forthis, despite the fact that it
was released as a digital singlebut there is a fan made video
That you can go away and watchat your leisure or give it a
listen favorite musicalplatform.
Sam (21:23):
Okay.
Soundtrack (21:24):
You know, I'm gonna stick with the strong.
Somebody's stand in the storm.
(21:46):
Somebody's gotta stand in the
Emma (21:51):
That was Stand in the Storm, from the Hell in a Hand
Basket Album in 2011.When Ipicked this song to cover, I did
not know what I was gettinginto.
crikey.
Before I delve too far into it,Sam, what'd you think
Sam (22:05):
of the song?
my note says, uh, let me see.
So how was Chad Kroger involvedthen?
It's very, um, generic, earlytwo thousands rock song for
angry young men.
Emma (22:23):
performed by
Sam (22:25):
men, performed by angry old men.
It's fine.
There's the obligatory rapsection in the middle.
The chorus is all right.
It's demonstrably not a JimSteinman chorus.
No, it is just singing about howI've gotta be big and tur
because I'm so American.
Emma (22:42):
There's nothing in here that even borrows from Jim.
Sam (22:45):
This is from one of his very, I don't even need Jim
actually.
Phases.
Emma (22:51):
well.
So this came about, this is acollaboration track.
It was also released as, adigital single all the profits
went to charity.
Okay.
They
Sam (23:00):
Okay.
They
Emma (23:00):
to four different charities'cause there's four
different artists involved.
And they are team backbone from2011's US Celebrity in
Sam (23:15):
Yeah, I knew he was involved in Celebrity
Apprentice.
Emma (23:18):
So this song came as a result of some of the
friendships that were forged.
It features obviously Meat Loafwho is bringing, and it says
here his signature theatricalrock style and emotional
intensity.
Then there's John Rich, who is acountry singer, and he does the
country verse.
There's Mark McGrath, who was ofSugar Ray.
Yeah.
Who apparently lends a pop rocksensibility.
Sam (23:41):
Oh, that must
Emma (23:42):
to be very mix.
Yeah.
I'm not sure where that was.
And then there's Lil John whodoes the rapping.
Which is painful.
It
Sam (23:51):
It's like when you've gotta do a group project at school,
it's exactly And you're sat nextto three kids that you've never
met before and you've all gotsuch wildly differing interests.
Emma (24:04):
Oh God.
So in the excruciating rapsection, Uhhuh, Li'l John
actually name checks DonaldTrump.
Sam (24:12):
Yes, I did spot
Emma (24:13):
And of course Gary Busey, who was also in that series of
The Apprentice.
Now this series of TheApprentice went a bit viral
because of an interactionbetween Meat Loaf and Gary
Busey.
And that is the link that I sent
Sam (24:29):
does ring a little bit of a bell
Emma (24:32):
have a little watch this shit show.
Soundtrack (24:35):
Okay.
What's wrong, mother?
What's wrong?
I bought those mother sponges.
Part of that pain is mine.
I'm sick and tired.
You mother.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
That was all mine in my basket.
(24:57):
Mother.
Emma (24:58):
So what we've just watched, there is a clip from
The Celebrity Apprentice, whichI believe is episode five, the
Art of the Deal, where thevarious, apprentices, are trying
to create and sell originalartwork in galleries to raise
massive amounts of money for
Sam (25:19):
Yes.
Emma (25:20):
Uh, and it all explodes.
Sam (25:22):
It all explodes.
I, have so many questions.
You do starting Listeners, foranybody who's not watched the
clip.
Meat Loaf absolutely loses hisrag because he thought Gary
Busey took his poster paints.
(25:47):
Do you remember in the DeadRinger movie, Meat Loaf plays
his childhood self
Emma (25:51):
Yes.
the body
Sam (25:51):
of adult meatloaf.
isn't it?
Yeah.
Yeah.
This could have been a, a, arollback to his kindergarten
Emma (25:58):
babies.
Oh my God.
It's the biggest blowup over thesmallest thing.
And then it turns out that thebag's just in a corner somewhere
that
Sam (26:05):
Looked to.
Yeah.
That said, this is Americanreality
Emma (26:08):
tv.
Yes.
Sam (26:10):
Some scenes may be created for entertainment purposes,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,but also that said, Meat Loaf is
famous for his patheticallychildish rants,
Emma (26:20):
Yeah.
And he, he really comes acrossas an asshole here, Yeah.
It doesn't work well for
Sam (26:28):
Um,
Emma (26:28):
He came fourth overall
Sam (26:30):
I have so many questions about Celebrity Apprentice.
Like A how is it a thing?
Because in the UK we had itoccasionally.
The Apprentice, the generalpurpose Apprentice is still
going.
It's quite a big show somehow.
But every now and then for ComicRelief, which is a big charity
telethon that we do every year,they would do a celebrity
(26:53):
version where celebrities,mostly comedians, would go on
and act like twats intentionallyto take the piss out of, Alan
Sugar, who is the host But thatseems to be a full, 12 week run.
I have no interest in how goodMeat Loaf is at business.
I know he's no good at business.
He went bankrupt three times inthe eighties.
Emma (27:16):
This is pre Donald Trump presidency.
Sam (27:18):
Oh yeah.
No, absolutely.
I I'm, this is back
Emma (27:20):
when he was a reality TV star.
Yeah.
But I don't think he would'vehad the sense of humor to have
had the piss taken out of him.
Like Alan
Sam (27:28):
No, absolutely not.
At
Emma (27:30):
grimly
Sam (27:32):
I guess I'm more asking why Meat Loaf had 12 filming weeks
to spare to make CelebrityApprentice.
Emma (27:40):
Well, he'd obviously got an album to promote.
Sam (27:43):
But just do one episode.
As a format, it baffles
Emma (27:47):
me
Sam (27:47):
my confusion about how certain formats work in America
aside
Emma (27:51):
Yes.
Sam (27:51):
And how what a pathetic man.
Emma (27:55):
Yes.
Sam (27:56):
What an utterly pathetic man.
Emma (27:58):
He doesn't come out of it looking good.
No.
There are loads of clips onYouTube of him talking about I
think he was recording his ownvideo diary during it.
Okay.
So I watched a couple of thoseand they're all garbage as well.
Uh, Team Backbone, which werethe men.
Yeah.
And not all of the men in TeamBackbone then went on to go and
(28:18):
perform in the
Sam (28:19):
So the reference to, show you what a backbone's
Emma (28:22):
this is, team Backbone.
So that was the men, the womenwere called team ASAP.
Sam (28:28):
Okay.
Do you know what other investorcalling it Team asap?
Emma (28:32):
Yep.
Sam (28:34):
I'm just saying,
Emma (28:35):
But the dots are in there, so I'm assuming it's as
Sam (28:37):
Did they stay separated then?
Emma (28:39):
I assume so,
Sam (28:40):
because in, in the in the versions I've seen, they tend to
often start as men
Emma (28:47):
women.
Sam (28:47):
And then Alan Sugar will mix them up
Emma (28:49):
They've even ditched the men versus women side of things
So it was mixed from the theoff.
Sam (28:55):
Oh, how'because we still how progressive of Alan Sugar,
colossal bell end.
Emma (29:04):
Team backbone were John Rich, the country singer.
He won spoilers.
Li'l John who did the wrapping.
Sam (29:12):
Sorry, Emma, can I just point out that the verb is to
rap?
Not to do the rap?
He
Emma (29:19):
he did the wraps.
He did the wrappings.
he wrapped, he wrapped.
No, he did the wrappings.
I prefer it my way.
Sam (29:25):
Word.
Emma (29:26):
He, he'd done a rap in that
Sam (29:27):
He done a rap.,
Emma (29:29):
Gary Busey, obviously the actor, who got shouted at, uh,
Sam (29:33):
Uhhuh.
Emma (29:33):
mark McGrath.
Who's the Sugar Ray front man.
Kko, former MLB player.
Sam (29:43):
Okay.
Emma (29:44):
Okay.
Uh, Richard Hatch.
A Survivor winner.
David Cassidy.
Singer and actor.
Yeah.
And then of course, Meat Loaf.
So you've not got a banging setof a-listers there, have you?
When, uh, I think Meat Loaf'sone of the
Sam (29:57):
Meat Loaf, uh,
Emma (29:58):
there.
Sam (29:58):
From our perspective.
Yeah.
I imagine a former baseballplayer's got a bit
Emma (30:03):
Yeah.
Sam (30:04):
A Survivor winner
Emma (30:06):
I mean, that's bottom of the barrel scraping, isn't it?
Sam (30:08):
it?
Well you say that, but again,American Traitors is all
survivor winners and people offReal Housewives and somehow they
think that's good.
Emma (30:17):
It's not.
Sam (30:19):
uh, yeah.
Emma (30:20):
The thing that gets me is in the UK there would be at
least one comedian
Sam (30:26):
Yeah, that's true.
Yes.
Celebrity versions of game orreality shows are an excuse for
comedians to fart about.
Emma (30:36):
Yeah.
You get sports personalities andother cel
Sam (30:39):
celebrity
Emma (30:40):
as well, but often it is the comedians doing the heavy
lifting,
Sam (30:43):
because they know how to,
Emma (30:45):
they know how to handle situations,
Sam (30:48):
it too seriously and Yeah.
Yeah,
Emma (30:51):
Because this all got a bit too serious.
Not heavy, man.
Again, I've only seen theBritish versions, but in the
Real Apprentice, it never getsto that extent of
Sam (30:59):
No.
I suspect the prizes areastronomically different as
well.
In a UK game show, it's astandard UK game show.
If you go home with 3000 pounds,You've you've, done well, yeah.
In America, that's the prizethey give you for off, putting
your name down on the badge.
Emma (31:18):
It just fascinated me that this song came out of this
unlikely partnership betweenfour of Team backbone.
So.
Sam (31:24):
was Stand in the Storm released as part of The
Apprentice or was it kind ofafter the show all went, Hey
guys,
Emma (31:30):
The Apprentice itself was filmed in late 2010 and early
2011.
The song Stand in the Storm wasrecorded and released shortly
after the show in May, 2011.
a direct result of therelationships and creative
chemistry that Meat Loaf hadwith John Rich, mark McGrath and
Lil John so it did comeafterwards.
(31:53):
I wonder if it was jammed on analbum
Sam (31:57):
Yeah.
As a result of that.
Yeah, that's just what I wasthinking.
Emma, that was a reallyinteresting dive into, I.
The sort of behavior that MeatLoaf exhibiting Yeah.
In the, uh, 2010s.
Mm-hmm.
We've not talked about thissong.
Emma (32:11):
No, we haven't.
Would you like to talk about thesong a We probably should.
It's quite bad.
Sam (32:19):
Is it?
I mean, it's not good.
Emma (32:23):
Well,
Sam (32:24):
It's too long.
Emma (32:25):
It's too long.
Sam (32:26):
half.
so the Ghost of Jim Steinman didmake himself known there.
Emma (32:30):
I think it's written by all four of
Sam (32:32):
and what we know about Cooks is that the more of them
the better as far as broth isconcerned.
Emma (32:41):
I did write something.
So it starts out with some heavyguitars.
Ooh.
We're in for something exciting.
No, we're in, for reactionarymusic made by middle-aged men
who feel marginalized by theexistence of literally anything
else.
They're gonna show you what abackbone's for by standing in
the storm and mixing andtorturing metaphors all over the
bloody
Sam (33:00):
Yeah.
Backbones are not for standingin storms.
No.
You are thinking of umbrellas.
Emma (33:05):
Yes.
And even then, not a great ideain a storm.
Sam (33:08):
in a thunderstorm.
Emma (33:10):
Verse one is Meat Loaf doing is rock and roll mercenary
shtick.
Sam (33:13):
Which to be fair, we both enjoy.
Yeah, it is rubbish.
But we
Emma (33:17):
enjoy it.
It's fun.
It's rubbish, but fun.
Yeah.
Then there's the country verse,and then there's the rap.
Which, as I said, name checksTrump and Gary the Celebrity
Apprentice, which is reallygoing to date it.
Sam (33:32):
oh, sorry, do you think that without that reference to
Donald Trump, this would stillbe being sung up and down
karaoke
Emma (33:38):
bars Absolutely, yes.
Yeah, yeah.
I don't think it's gonna make itonto the car playlist.
it's just, it's horrible.
the fact that it name checksTrump really makes my skin
crawl.
Sam (33:52):
Well, yeah.
I
Emma (33:52):
wanna get too
Sam (33:54):
Um,
Emma (33:54):
but eh,
Sam (33:56):
I mean, you know, they, they were unfortunately pals
Emma (34:00):
me and my crew, we keep it Trump tight.
I'm just gonna sick in my
Sam (34:06):
Yeah.
Just,
Emma (34:09):
It's horrible.
Otherwise it's just likenonsense.
Angry men.
Angry about nothing inparticular.
Just being angry for the sake ofit.
Sam (34:17):
Really being angry that they're not eternally young.
Yeah.
Do you know who was eternallyyoung?
Jim Steinman.
and he was cool with it.
Baby Jim Steinman was justkicking back.
Emma (34:27):
Well, while, while all this was happening, he faffing
around with other
Sam (34:31):
faffing around trying to make a musical out of, two
bricks that he saw leaning on awindow.
It's just a bit, eh, isn't it?
Emma (34:41):
Yeah.
Do you wanna know what thepeople of the internet had to
Sam (34:43):
say?
Yeah.
Tell me what the people of theinternet think.
Emma (34:46):
Mr.
Hoes 9 1 6 0 said This is amess, a combination of too many
musical genres.
Sam (34:56):
Yeah.
Agreed
Emma (34:57):
behind that.
And, Edward Anderson and OddMan.
Said, edit the title Add MarkMcGrath.
You forgot his name'cause itdoesn't mention his name at the
top.
But what, Edward Anderson andOdd Man is missing there is,
it's Mark McGrath.
That's Mark McGrath.
Sam (35:18):
Take that.
Edward Anderson and Odd Man.
Is it time to rate this songthen?
Emma?
Emma (35:21):
think it is
Sam (35:22):
this Okay.
We've not had a great time withthis episode's songs, have we?
No, not a rubbish time.
We've just had such a middle ofthe road time that if this was
the podcast every episode, wemight hang ourselves.
(35:44):
Should we get some Jim in nexttime?
Emma (35:45):
I think we need some Jim.
Sam (35:47):
Okay.
Emma, it is time to rate thissong once again on our.
Slightly less Dusty Meat Loafsong rating scale.
And I remember now why we don'tbring it out that often.
Is this song Marvin Lee Aday?
Marvin Lee Okay.
Or Marvin Lee No Way
Emma (36:03):
What do you think
Sam (36:04):
on this one?.
Individual, sections of it areadequate.
The highest praise reviewer cangive.
But other individual sectionsreference a fascist.
Yeah.
Which isn't
Emma (36:17):
No.
Sam (36:17):
Um, so on balance, Emma,, if I had to choose a generic mid
two thousands rock song to play,I would choose.
Any of what Nickelback havedone.
I'm gonna give this a Marvin LeeNo Way.
Emma (36:35):
I would absolutely agree with you there.
This.
Sam (36:37):
This.
is a Marvin Lee No
Emma (36:40):
Way
Sam (36:42):
You are fired.
that, is that a thing?
I
Emma (36:47):
think.
I think.
Yeah.
They're all
Sam (36:49):
They're all fired
Emma (36:52):
still, at least that's over.
Sam (36:53):
Yeah.
And
Emma (36:55):
can look forward to never having to listen to it again.
Sam (36:57):
Yeah.
But who knows What'll spring outof the later works of Meat Loaf,
Emma?
Emma (37:02):
Well, perhaps we need to, give ourselves something nice.
Sam (37:05):
we probably ought to give ourselves something nice next
time as a little
Emma (37:08):
Yes, the little treat.
Sam (37:10):
But before we go for a little let's have a dive into
the postal mailbag.
So what do you think of thesesongs?
Did you them?
Do you agree with our ratings?
Did you think we actually shouldhave talked a bit more about the
song Heavy as Jesus rather thaneverything else?
Maybe we'll do that for anotherStoney and Meat Loaf song who
knows?
Let us know.
Chat out of hell@gmail.com.
(37:32):
I've only got one message toread out to you this, episode.
And that message is, we do owean apology Brit Pop also Rams
Ash.
Ash did have a girl one in theband for some time.
and on behalf of everybody hereat Chat out of Hell, I'd like to
(37:52):
extend an apology for, implyingthat the only reason that
horrible review from SMASH hitsliked them was cos they didn't
have a girl
Emma (37:58):
one We're sorry, Ash.
Sam (38:00):
We're very sorry,
Emma (38:01):
Well think about what
Sam (38:03):
Sorry, So I set you a challenge at the start of this
episode to think of the JimSteinman song you would've liked
to have had taken to EurovisionEmma?
Emma (38:19):
It's the Fire Inc version of Nowhere Fast
Sam (38:22):
Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
Just the song.
We're having it performed bysome guy from
Emma (38:28):
Belgium.
Okay.
No, I mean, lyrically the FireInc version.
Sam (38:32):
Fine.
it is different
Emma (38:34):
and it's better.
Sam (38:36):
It's better.
Okay.
We'll give that to EngelbertHump Dink.
See how we can do, is that gonnado well at Eurovision?
Emma (38:45):
It would just fill my heart with joy.
Sam (38:48):
What to see.
Emma (38:48):
Do you think something ballady or something more
ridiculous?
Sam (38:51):
Oh, it's gotta be the stupidest song in the songbook.
Emma (38:55):
what's the stupidest It's
Sam (38:57):
It's It's dance in my Pants.
That would be amazing.
Let's send Jan in my pants.
Emma (39:04):
do that.
Sam (39:04):
Performed by Scooter.
Emma (39:06):
With Whigfield.
Sam (39:08):
Whigfield.
Oh.
Oh, what a lineup.
If you're listening, GrahamNorton, I guess you don't need
us.
We've already given you all theGet them, give them a call
Emma (39:19):
because Graham is in charge of who, uh,
Sam (39:22):
gets I never really understand who it is because in
other countries, like Italy hasa whole I.
Music festival dedicated tochoosing their Eurovision act.
Wow.
And here in the UK, you justhear on the radio at some point
in February that Oh, it's, it'sthese people
Emma (39:37):
anyway,
Sam (39:38):
So, Emma, what songs are we bringing next time?
Emma (39:40):
Well, I'm gonna bring, I'm Gonna Love Her for Both of Us
from the Dead Ringer album,
Sam (39:44):
and I'll be bringing, Making Love Out of Nothing at
All, which Jim Steinman wrotefor the Australian Soft Rock Duo
Air Supply.
Listeners do send in youropinions on those if you have
them.
Keep your general Meat Loafthoughts and anecdotes flying
in.
Did you see Meat Loaf in goal atthe All Musicians five Side
League?
That was funny when I it, butnow I've seen Celebrity
Apprentice.
(40:04):
I think that probably was athing that was televised in
America.
Send us an email chat out ofhell@gmail.com.
Any other business, Emma?
Emma (40:13):
Uh, no.
No other business from
Sam (40:14):
time.
No other business from meeither.
So I'll call this meeting to ahalt.
The minutes will be distributedby close of play tomorrow.
If you could initial them andreturn, See you all next.
time on chat.
Out of hell, bye
Emma (40:30):
Bye.
Sam (40:31):
Bow.
Hey Emma, what is this?
Emma (00:02):
This is Chat Out of Hell, the podcast where we consume
only the meatiest morsels ofMeat Loaf and coughed all down
with a stein full of JimSteinman.
Sam (00:13):
Ooh, okay.
Who's Meat Loaf
Emma (00:16):
Meatloaf was a singer, songwriter and actor who refused
to eat the food stuff Meat Loaf,claiming it was a conflict of
interest.
Who's Jim Steinman?
Sam (00:26):
Jim Steinman is the writer behind Meat Loaf's Best Work.
Today's podcast doesn't featureMeat Loaf's best work, so it
features no Jim Steinman.
Emma (00:36):
Who are we
Sam (00:37):
We are Emma Crossland and Sam Wilkinson.
Two people who enjoyed listeningto Meat Loaf once on a car ride
together and look what we'redoing now.
Welcome to Chat Out Of Hell Bow.
Now.
Now, now Bing.
Here we go again.
Hello, Emma.
you alright?,
Emma (00:56):
good, thank you.
Sam (00:57):
It's Eurovision tonight.
It is.
So here's a thought that I'mgonna plant in your brain
mm-hmm.
That I should have done aboutthree weeks ago so that the
listeners could play along aswell.
But Yeah.
What Jim Steinman song would yousubmit to Eurovision?
Emma (01:12):
Oh,
Sam (01:12):
I'm gonna come back to your answer in the letters section.
Letters
Emma (01:15):
section.
The mailbag,
Sam (01:18):
the electronic.
Oh yeah, the mailbag.
Emma (01:20):
How's the allotment doing?
Sam (01:22):
Full of grass and not wet
Emma (01:24):
okay.
Yeah.
So we're, we're, we're prayingfor rain.
Sam (01:29):
We are praying for
Emma (01:31):
thoughts
Sam (01:31):
Is
Emma (01:32):
and
Sam (01:33):
Is"praying for rain" a line out of a Steinman song
Emma (01:36):
Sounds like it should be, doesn't it?
Sam (01:38):
I'm in a sex drought and I'm praying for rain.
Emma (01:41):
If it's not, then that's going into our.
Song, good call.
I'm in a sex drought and I'mpraying for rain.
Sam (01:48):
anyway.
This is Chat Out Of Hell, thepodcast in which we both bring a
Meat Loaf or a Jim Steinman songto our podcast table to analyze
in our own inimitable waybecause who wants to imitate
this?
This time I'm bringing one ofMeat Loaf's very first recorded
songs.
(02:08):
(I'd Love to Be) As Heavy AsJesus, which he did on the album
Stoney and Meat Loaf, which wasas part of the double act Stoney
and Meat Loaf.
Emma (02:17):
I wonder if they were as successful a double act as we
are
Sam (02:21):
mildly more successful.
I will point out that postbreakup, they both did much
better.
Just saying, Emma,
Emma (02:30):
I see where this is
Sam (02:31):
going.
Emma, what song have youbrought?
Emma (02:34):
I brought Stand in the Storm from the album Hell in a
Hand Basket from 2011.
Sam (02:39):
That sounds like it might be full of excitement and big
loud noises.
Emma (02:44):
Oh, it's full of all sorts of
Sam (02:47):
Lovely.
Well, we'll find out about thatone later on.
'cause we are gonna start with,I'd Love To Be as Heavy as Jesus
so listeners go away.
Find, I'd Love To Be as Heavy AsJesus by Stoney and Meat Loaf.
Meat Loaf, all one word thistime, on your YouTubes, your
Spotifys.
You could probably find a copyof it in a dusty old record
shop, or you could find one ofthe many reissues of it that
(03:09):
were released when Meat Loaf wasbig and famous, and anything
with his name on would sell bigtime.
So go away, find those.
Listen to them.
We'll be right back after thisshort clip of it.
Soundtrack (03:18):
I just want love that devil and see God in every
single man.
I just wanna spread joy likethat little boy who walked,
walked, be heavy.
(03:43):
I
Sam (03:43):
We've just listened to I'd Love To Be as Heavy as Jesus and
so maybe have you, perhaps.
Emma, what do you think aboutthat?
Emma (03:50):
It's alright, innit.
Quite a, jolly little number.
Sure.
I do wonder how heavy Jesus is.
Sam (03:56):
Well, Meat Loaf did sing this song in his audition for, a
Broadway show that Jim wasdirecting.
That's how they met.
Aw.
To which Jim responded, I thinkyou're as heavy as two Jesuses.
Emma (04:11):
Oh, Jim, you your fat shaming.
Sam (04:13):
your little scamp.
Um, that's all I have to say onthe subject of Jesus' weight, do
you know what?
I've really let you down, Emma.
I'm sure there's biblicalcommentary on how heavy
Emma (04:26):
was, but you've just not put in the hours
Sam (04:31):
you proposing then that Meat Loaf was actually saying,
I'd like to lose some weight.
So I'm as heavy as Jesus.
I'm Jesus.
Is this the Jesus diet?
Get yourself down to Jesusweight.
Get Jesus body ready.
quite a nice song, isn't it?
Yeah.
Obviously it's not what we'rehere at the Meat Loaf shop for.
Emma (04:50):
No.
If I'm at the Meat Loaf shop, Iwant more drama.
Sam (04:54):
Something of a tonal shift.
Quite nice Gospely.
Yeah.
Gospely Rock sound, Certainly ofits time.
And its time was 1971.
Yeah.
And this was released on theMotown subsidiary Rare Earth.
So you can absolutely hear thatthis is a Motown record.
Yeah.
It's, have you listened to anyof the rest of the, of the, of
the disc yet?
Emma (05:13):
Um, back when we first started doing this, I did give
some of the album a bit of alisten, one night, but it is a
while ago now, haven't given itmuch of a listen since.
I've been so busy in the othersections of the Meat Loaf shop.
Sam (05:26):
Yeah.
Emma (05:27):
Trying out all the various meat loafs,
Sam (05:30):
meats,
Emma (05:31):
meat loaf.
Sam (05:33):
My notes here say it's nothing special, but it's quite
fun.
it's all right.
Turn it off.
Yeah.
Emma (05:39):
who, Who's Stoney?
Sam (05:40):
We'll come onto who Stoney is.
We'll start with, Meat history.
And we won't dive all the wayback into Meat history'cause his
early life is quite sad andtragic.
Yeah.
We will dive into that.
Another point.
But for now, Meat Loaf's storystarts in LA where he flew out
from his native Texas, escapinghis unhappy youth and he founded
(06:00):
a band called Meat Loaf Soul in1968.
Their very first gig was openingfor Van Morrison's band Them.
Yeah.
This is what happens in music.
You don't get this in comedy.
All comedians' first gig is in abasement with a man and a dog,
and then bands get to form aband and be like, oh, can we go
(06:23):
open for whoever?
Yeah, you can.
Emma (06:25):
Who do you want to open for Sam?
Sam (06:27):
Um, I'd like to open for Meat Loaf.
I'd like to walk out and do my,my 20 minute club set.
the one about how lovely my dogis.
I'll do that
Emma (06:41):
How the museum stuff,
Sam (06:43):
The museum stuff.
will go down perfectly.
Emma (06:45):
Yeah.
The ideal warmup
Sam (06:47):
for
Emma (06:47):
night of rock.
Sam (06:50):
They played a load of gigs.
They opened many a band., Theband underwent several changes
of lead guitarists, changing thename of the band each time to
names including Popcorn Blizzardand Floating Circus.
as Floating Circus they'veopened for the Who, the Fugs,
the Stooges, the Grateful Dead.
Emma (07:09):
Wow.
This is a, this is a big list.
Sam (07:11):
Yeah.
Regional success is whatWikipedia ascribes to them.
They did release a single OnceUpon a Time.
I've neither found nor lookedfor that single.
yet.
Um, but to watch the list offthe back of that, he joined the
LA production of Hair.
Yes.
Which then turned into a touringproduction.
And in Detroit that's where theywere spotted by, Motown.
(07:33):
Stoney was also a cast member onHair.
Aha.
Emma (07:35):
Ahuh.
Sam (07:37):
And the two of them were invited to, form a duo and cut a
disc.
Emma (07:42):
So more sort of manufactured
Sam (07:44):
Yeah.
This is, well this is Motown'sthing.
Get acts write then a load ofsongs.
Make a disc.
Does it work?
No.
Get out then.
Bish Bash bosh.
Probably.
Emma (07:55):
Is that where we're going wrong, Sam?
Do we need to get other peopleto write our material for us
Sam (07:59):
Or, just go on our way, bish bash bosh.
Who knows?
feel
Emma (08:05):
like you're dropping hints.
Sam (08:08):
I'm just saying Emma, we've talked a lot about what Jim was
like pre Meat Loaf.
Yeah.
And now we're talking about MeatLoaf pre Jim.
I was gonna ask this later on,but I'll do it now.
Are we in our pre or postmeeting?
Oh my
Emma (08:21):
my God.
Oh,
Sam (08:26):
are you my Jim Steinman or are you my Stoney?
Who knows?
Emma (08:33):
I am wounded.
Sam (08:37):
You could be the Jim.
Emma (08:40):
I don't wanna be Jim though.
Sam (08:42):
Oh, sorry.
Am I your Jim?
Do you wanna be Meat?
Emma (08:46):
Right, I think we have to play a game of who's got the
most disgusting mattress.
That's how we settle
Sam (08:54):
even on a podcast not about him, we got his mattress into
it.
So yeah, this is a, I was gonnacall it classic Motown, but I
don't know enough about Motowngenerally, but it was, it is
like a music factory.
Yeah.
I was gonna do a bit all aboutMotown for this, and then I, so
we'll come back to that.
But yeah, bring'em in, write'emsome songs.
See how they do, Meat Loaf leftthe label after this album
(09:18):
because one of his favoritesongs, they later redid the
vocals.
They'd cut out Meat Loaf andStoney's vocals, and Edwin Starr
recorded them instead.
the song, Who is the Leader ofthe People?
Meat's favorite song on the, onthe album and they rereleased
it.
So he storms off in a huff.
Emma (09:37):
classic Meat Loaf.
And more on his huffs later
Sam (09:41):
I'm excited for huffs..
Meat commented on this album in1978.
He said"it was junk, it was likean R and B sort of thing, you
know, that was eight years ago.
That was my first recordcontract, and I really didn't
know what I was doing, so I justdid what they told me to do."
This song was covered one yearlater by the band Joshua on
(10:02):
their album, which was alsocalled Joshua.
It is incredibly hard to findanything out about an album by a
band called Joshua with the nameJoshua, when it also features
the word Jesus.
Yes.
Because if you Google Heavy asJesus and Joshua, you get Bible
shit wall to wall, even properGoogle couldn't have done it,
and that was before it turnedinto Ai dog shit.
(10:24):
Now no chance.
Wow.
I don't think it's onlineanywhere.
I just found it mentioned ondiscogs.
Yeah.
Um, Louder Sounds said that thisalbum was Meat Loaf's sixth
best.
Yeah.
I don't think this is so much ofan endorsement of this album as
a rejection of most of what herecorded.
Yeah.
Although they put this albumahead of Welcome to the
(10:47):
Neighbourhood.
Emma (10:48):
Oh, that's not right.
Yeah.
Welcome to the Neighbourhood'sgot some real bangers bangers
I'd love to know the order.,
Sam (10:52):
Do you want the full rundown?
Yeah, Okay.
If you can give me the, uh,
Emma (10:57):
do,
Sam (11:03):
in it.
Number 13, regarded as trulydeplorable.
It's Blind Before I Stop.
Emma (11:09):
Yeah.
Sam (11:12):
Number 12 Braver than We Are.
Emma (11:15):
Yeah.
Sam (11:15):
Yeah..
Decades old scraps fromabandoned musicals as well as
songs previously flopped byBonnie Tyler and Sisters of
Mercy.
It's bad, man.
Number 11, Hell in a Hand Basket2011,
Emma (11:29):
is what I'm covering today.
Sam (11:31):
Public Enemy's Chuck D shows up for a rap cameo and
Meat butchers CaliforniaDreamin' for what seems like an
hour.
Moving on to number 10, it'sCouldn't Have Said it Better
wherein Meat goes it aloneeschewing any Steinman songs
completely, employing a handfulof writers to create tepid sound
alikes.
At number nine it's Midnight inthe Lost and Found.
Emma (11:51):
Yep.
Seems fair.
I think, I think couldn't havesaid it better.
We've enjoyed some of the
Sam (11:58):
we have.
We have one track We've enjoyedsomething off midnight and lost
and found.
At eight, Welcome to theNeighbourhood.
Fail to produce any real hits ofnote.
It went platinum anyway.
Then down to number seven, BadAttitude.
What is that doing there?
Yeah.
Created during the relentlessglam metal wave of the mid
eighties, this is Meat's hardestrocking record.
(12:19):
A veritable orgy of shreddingand whooping.
Emma (12:22):
Perhaps we need to listen to that a little bit more
Sam (12:24):
then.
Yeah.
Apparently buoyed by thestorming single Modern Girls.
Emma (12:28):
Well, we've listened to Modern Girl.
We've
Sam (12:30):
it.
Yeah, I was gonna say that'sModern Girl and that's not that
Emma (12:34):
No.
Sam (12:35):
six, it's Stoney and Meat Loaf.
minor gem and a frothy stew ofbrass and thunder, full bluesy r
and b and sexed up gospel rock.
considered Heavy as Jesus to bethe highlights and number five,
Bat out of Hell Three.
Emma (12:50):
Crikey.
Yeah, that's high on the list.
Sam (12:56):
Steinman and Meat were in a legal battle over ownership of
the Bat, out of Hell phrase, soSteinman relinquished production
to the slightly less bombasticDesmond Child.
And we do mean slightly as thisis still an incredibly over the
top album.
It's not Come on.
Number four, Dead Ringer.
More lowkey and less conceptythan Bat.
(13:16):
It nonetheless satisfied theitch for epic Wagnerian rock and
roll, and is anchored by threestrong singles.
Read'em and Weep.
I'm Gonna Love Her for the Bothof Us.
And the title, track a duet withCher.
Emma, you are gonna blow yourtop.
There's a name that's beenmissing so far,
Emma (13:34):
Uhhuh
Sam (13:36):
number three, Meat Loaf's third best album according to
Louder Sound.
Hang Cool Teddy Bear.
Fuck Off
Emma (13:42):
Fuck Off
Sam (13:47):
Meat really went all in on this one.
Emma (13:50):
This is the one with Los Angeloser on it, it?
Yes, it's, which is a song thatmakes me angry.
Sam (13:55):
The result is a flash fire of fevered visions colliding in
an audacious, ramshackle,wonderfully ridiculous
collection of bombastic theatrerock that really needs to be
heard to be believed.
I agree with that.
At least maybe
Emma (14:06):
rest of it is better.
Sam (14:07):
I don't think so because the YouTube video they've
embedded is Los Angeloser.
Oh no.
Emma (14:12):
Oh no.
Sam (14:13):
And then number two is Bat Out of Hell Two and of course
number one was Bat Out of Hell.
Emma (14:18):
Do you know what?
I disagree with those as well.
Sam (14:20):
What the
Emma (14:20):
order?
Yeah.
Sam (14:21):
Yeah.
Emma (14:22):
I put Bat Two
Sam (14:23):
I think Bat Two only works in the context of bat one.
Emma (14:26):
I'd still put it
Sam (14:29):
listeners, if you disagree with Louder Sounds's ranking, go
on.
Rank all of Meat Loaf's albumsfor us.
I dare you.
Chat out of hell@gmail.com.
The song was written by,, PattiJerome, Ralph Terrano and Mike
Valvano.
Jerome and Valvano both wrote afew songs on this album.
Mm-hmm.
Interestingly, Meat was stillperforming What You See Is What
You Get from this album as lateas his 1996 live album Live
(14:52):
Around The World.
He didn't move on from theStoney days.
The quote from him earlierimplies he was quite embarrassed
about it, but he brought itback.
Emma (15:01):
But sometimes it is nice to throw in things from the
Yeah.
The
Sam (15:03):
Yeah.
The early days, like Eastereggs, yeah.
What You See Is What You Get wasalso the B side on a single Is
Nothing Sacred, which is aSteinman penned tune, recorded
for Welcome to theNeighbourhood, but not used
until a 1998 Best Of, and youcan't put unreleased songs on a
Best Of, I don't care who youare,
Emma (15:24):
And yet.
Sam (15:25):
Would you like to know about Stoney?
Yes.
She was born Sean Murphy.
Yeah.
She stayed with Motown afterMeat Loaf, terminated the
contract, after which she'sworked with a lot of acts.
Immediately after Meat Loafleft, she worked with Bob Seger
and the horrible racist EricClapton.
a shame.
But she's then sung, toured andrecorded with acts such as the
(15:47):
Moody Blues, Herbie Hancock,Phil Collins, Glen Fray, Joe
Walsh, Bruce Hornsby, MichaelBolton, Alice Cooper.
Crikey.
Yeah.
And 1993, she became a full-timemember of the band Little Feat,
which is an incrediblecoincidence because at the exact
same time, Los del Rio werereleasing their single Macarena.
(16:09):
Isn't that amazing?
Emma (16:10):
That is amazing.
Sam (16:11):
you so much.
Yeah.
In 1993, she did a thing and sodid they.
Wow.
Emma (16:15):
that's Mind blowing.
That is a really good way ofgetting that
Sam (16:18):
in there.
Emma (16:19):
this time.
I did wonder
Sam (16:21):
From 2009 onwards, she released a series of albums
under the name of the SeanMurphy Band.
I've listened to a little bit ofit.
It's all right.
R and b Bluesy.
She's been nominated for Grammysand she's won loads of other
lesser awards, so she's donepretty well for herself.
Emma (16:35):
Good on you, Stoney.
Sam (16:36):
Good on you kid.
But Emma, would you like thequiz?
Emma (16:40):
I would like the quiz.
Sam (16:41):
Which of these is the real name of an album by the Sean
Murphy Band?
Is it A The Trouble With LovingB I Like It C The Sean Murphy
Band's World D.
Push the Beat for this Jam, or EWhigfield
Emma (17:09):
What am I supposed to do with this Whigfield?
Sam (17:14):
What?
Emma (17:15):
It's not Whigfield.
I'm
Sam (17:16):
I'm
Emma (17:19):
gonna go with a loving.
Yeah.
The trouble with loving.
Could
Sam (17:22):
Could you go four of the others, please?
No.
Yeah, it was that one.
Emma (17:31):
Where have the others come from?
Sam
Sam (17:33):
I'm glad you asked, Emma.
I like it is the Englishtranslation of, ah, me, me Gua
the 1993 album by Los Del Rio.
More famous for Macarena.
Of course.
See that wasn't a Sean Murphyalbum, but Scatman's World is
the name of the 1994 albumScatman John, do you wanna guess
what Push the Beat for this Jamis from Yeah.
(17:54):
2002.
And Whigfield Yeah.
It's an album by Whigfield.
Ruined my fun.
Emma (18:02):
Oh.
Oh.
But it feels good.
I got one, right?
Sam (18:06):
Yeah.
Emma (18:11):
but I've ruined your day.
Sam (18:12):
What price my happiness.
Emma (18:15):
Shit.
The double act really is over,isn't it?
But we've got so much toawkwardly struggle through
Sam (18:20):
do.
Um,
Emma (18:20):
well resentment builds.
Sam (18:23):
Tell you what, Emma, would you like to hear what the people
of the internet think about thissong?
I would, yes.
Emma (18:27):
yes.
Sam (18:27):
Okay.
Not a lot.
Luckily I did have thisconversational gem, which I was
delighted to find atmoviereviews4life.
Very catchy.
Not sure if this is a religiousalbum, but the music's good.
Huge fan of Meat Loaf from JimSteinman's work on his solo
albums.
This is definitely an album thathas eluded me after I finished
(18:48):
getting the rest of hiscatalogue and the Ted Nugent's
album Free for All, I'll be sureto get the re-release that came
out a couple of years ago", towhich at S Bigneus replied"Jim
Steinman was not involved inproducing this album".
To which movie Reviews For Lifecame back.
"I never said he was involved inthis album.
(19:10):
I said, I like Meat Loaf and JimStein's work together on his
solo albums.
This isn't a solo album, it's aduet album."
Emma (19:19):
Angry, angry People of
Sam (19:21):
Yep.
Um, it's weird that this songinspired such rage.
I a lovely song about how Jesusis quite nice and maybe we
should be but Jim Steinmandidn't produce it.
That's all we've got to say onthis.
Emma (19:38):
Yeah, it's all right.
Isn't it?
quite nice.
It's quite nice.
Yeah.
Inoffensive.,
Sam (19:42):
If it came on Six Music on a Sunday afternoon, I'd be like,
Hmm, that is it.
That's a deep cut.
Well done Six Music.
Emma (19:50):
You'd be really knowing about
Sam (19:51):
it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And yeah, I know that oneactually.
yeah.
Huh?
Huh?
He said he was gonna play someMeat Loaf and then he played
this, and that has surprisedeverybody I liked him before he
played rock music, actually.
I think he's much more suited toa gospel should we rate this
song then, Emma?
Okay.
All of our Meat Loaf songs thatdon't feature Jim Steinman are
(20:14):
rated on our special Meat Loafsong rating scale, which we've
not dusted off for a littlewhile, I think.
No.
So just to refresh our listenersour Meat Loaf song rating scale
starts with Marvin Lee Aday, forthe very finest songs.
Marvin Lee Okay.
In the middle, all the way downto Marvin Lee No Way for the
misogyny stuff that he'd done,but Emma, what's this?
(20:37):
It's
Emma (20:38):
Marvin Lee Okay innit
Sam (20:39):
it's Marvin Lee Okay.
Emma (20:40):
It's alright.
It's fine.
Sam (20:42):
Marvin Lee.
Okay.
With apologies to the twolisteners who requested that we
cover this song, but we justhave so little to say about the
content of the song itself.
It's fine.
It's there.
It is interesting to listen towhere Meat Loaf started before
somebody shoved a guitar in hishand and went, yeah.
Emma.
Emma (21:02):
Yes.
Sam (21:02):
What song have you brought for our listeners' delectation?
Emma (21:05):
I've brought Stand In the Storm from Hell in a Hand
Basket.
There's no official video forthis, despite the fact that it
was released as a digital singlebut there is a fan made video
That you can go away and watchat your leisure or give it a
listen favorite musicalplatform.
Sam (21:23):
Okay.
Soundtrack (21:24):
You know, I'm gonna stick with the strong.
Somebody's stand in the storm.
(21:46):
Somebody's gotta stand in the
Emma (21:51):
That was Stand in the Storm, from the Hell in a Hand
Basket Album in 2011.When Ipicked this song to cover, I did
not know what I was gettinginto.
crikey.
Before I delve too far into it,Sam, what'd you think
Sam (22:05):
of the song?
my note says, uh, let me see.
So how was Chad Kroger involvedthen?
It's very, um, generic, earlytwo thousands rock song for
angry young men.
Emma (22:23):
performed by
Sam (22:25):
men, performed by angry old men.
It's fine.
There's the obligatory rapsection in the middle.
The chorus is all right.
It's demonstrably not a JimSteinman chorus.
No, it is just singing about howI've gotta be big and tur
because I'm so American.
Emma (22:42):
There's nothing in here that even borrows from Jim.
Sam (22:45):
This is from one of his very, I don't even need Jim
actually.
Phases.
Emma (22:51):
well.
So this came about, this is acollaboration track.
It was also released as, adigital single all the profits
went to charity.
Okay.
They
Sam (23:00):
Okay.
They
Emma (23:00):
to four different charities'cause there's four
different artists involved.
And they are team backbone from2011's US Celebrity in
Sam (23:15):
Yeah, I knew he was involved in Celebrity
Apprentice.
Emma (23:18):
So this song came as a result of some of the
friendships that were forged.
It features obviously Meat Loafwho is bringing, and it says
here his signature theatricalrock style and emotional
intensity.
Then there's John Rich, who is acountry singer, and he does the
country verse.
There's Mark McGrath, who was ofSugar Ray.
Yeah.
Who apparently lends a pop rocksensibility.
Sam (23:41):
Oh, that must
Emma (23:42):
to be very mix.
Yeah.
I'm not sure where that was.
And then there's Lil John whodoes the rapping.
Which is painful.
It
Sam (23:51):
It's like when you've gotta do a group project at school,
it's exactly And you're sat nextto three kids that you've never
met before and you've all gotsuch wildly differing interests.
Emma (24:04):
Oh God.
So in the excruciating rapsection, Uhhuh, Li'l John
actually name checks DonaldTrump.
Sam (24:12):
Yes, I did spot
Emma (24:13):
And of course Gary Busey, who was also in that series of
The Apprentice.
Now this series of TheApprentice went a bit viral
because of an interactionbetween Meat Loaf and Gary
Busey.
And that is the link that I sent
Sam (24:29):
does ring a little bit of a bell
Emma (24:32):
have a little watch this shit show.
Soundtrack (24:35):
Okay.
What's wrong, mother?
What's wrong?
I bought those mother sponges.
Part of that pain is mine.
I'm sick and tired.
You mother.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
That was all mine in my basket.
(24:57):
Mother.
Emma (24:58):
So what we've just watched, there is a clip from
The Celebrity Apprentice, whichI believe is episode five, the
Art of the Deal, where thevarious, apprentices, are trying
to create and sell originalartwork in galleries to raise
massive amounts of money for
Sam (25:19):
Yes.
Emma (25:20):
Uh, and it all explodes.
Sam (25:22):
It all explodes.
I, have so many questions.
You do starting Listeners, foranybody who's not watched the
clip.
Meat Loaf absolutely loses hisrag because he thought Gary
Busey took his poster paints.
(25:47):
Do you remember in the DeadRinger movie, Meat Loaf plays
his childhood self
Emma (25:51):
Yes.
the body
Sam (25:51):
of adult meatloaf.
isn't it?
Yeah.
Yeah.
This could have been a, a, arollback to his kindergarten
Emma (25:58):
babies.
Oh my God.
It's the biggest blowup over thesmallest thing.
And then it turns out that thebag's just in a corner somewhere
that
Sam (26:05):
Looked to.
Yeah.
That said, this is Americanreality
Emma (26:08):
tv.
Yes.
Sam (26:10):
Some scenes may be created for entertainment purposes,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,but also that said, Meat Loaf is
famous for his patheticallychildish rants,
Emma (26:20):
Yeah.
And he, he really comes acrossas an asshole here, Yeah.
It doesn't work well for
Sam (26:28):
Um,
Emma (26:28):
He came fourth overall
Sam (26:30):
I have so many questions about Celebrity Apprentice.
Like A how is it a thing?
Because in the UK we had itoccasionally.
The Apprentice, the generalpurpose Apprentice is still
going.
It's quite a big show somehow.
But every now and then for ComicRelief, which is a big charity
telethon that we do every year,they would do a celebrity
(26:53):
version where celebrities,mostly comedians, would go on
and act like twats intentionallyto take the piss out of, Alan
Sugar, who is the host But thatseems to be a full, 12 week run.
I have no interest in how goodMeat Loaf is at business.
I know he's no good at business.
He went bankrupt three times inthe eighties.
Emma (27:16):
This is pre Donald Trump presidency.
Sam (27:18):
Oh yeah.
No, absolutely.
I I'm, this is back
Emma (27:20):
when he was a reality TV star.
Yeah.
But I don't think he would'vehad the sense of humor to have
had the piss taken out of him.
Like Alan
Sam (27:28):
No, absolutely not.
At
Emma (27:30):
grimly
Sam (27:32):
I guess I'm more asking why Meat Loaf had 12 filming weeks
to spare to make CelebrityApprentice.
Emma (27:40):
Well, he'd obviously got an album to promote.
Sam (27:43):
But just do one episode.
As a format, it baffles
Emma (27:47):
me
Sam (27:47):
my confusion about how certain formats work in America
aside
Emma (27:51):
Yes.
Sam (27:51):
And how what a pathetic man.
Emma (27:55):
Yes.
Sam (27:56):
What an utterly pathetic man.
Emma (27:58):
He doesn't come out of it looking good.
No.
There are loads of clips onYouTube of him talking about I
think he was recording his ownvideo diary during it.
Okay.
So I watched a couple of thoseand they're all garbage as well.
Uh, Team Backbone, which werethe men.
Yeah.
And not all of the men in TeamBackbone then went on to go and
(28:18):
perform in the
Sam (28:19):
So the reference to, show you what a backbone's
Emma (28:22):
this is, team Backbone.
So that was the men, the womenwere called team ASAP.
Sam (28:28):
Okay.
Do you know what other investorcalling it Team asap?
Emma (28:32):
Yep.
Sam (28:34):
I'm just saying,
Emma (28:35):
But the dots are in there, so I'm assuming it's as
Sam (28:37):
Did they stay separated then?
Emma (28:39):
I assume so,
Sam (28:40):
because in, in the in the versions I've seen, they tend to
often start as men
Emma (28:47):
women.
Sam (28:47):
And then Alan Sugar will mix them up
Emma (28:49):
They've even ditched the men versus women side of things
So it was mixed from the theoff.
Sam (28:55):
Oh, how'because we still how progressive of Alan Sugar,
colossal bell end.
Emma (29:04):
Team backbone were John Rich, the country singer.
He won spoilers.
Li'l John who did the wrapping.
Sam (29:12):
Sorry, Emma, can I just point out that the verb is to
rap?
Not to do the rap?
He
Emma (29:19):
he did the wraps.
He did the wrappings.
he wrapped, he wrapped.
No, he did the wrappings.
I prefer it my way.
Sam (29:25):
Word.
Emma (29:26):
He, he'd done a rap in that
Sam (29:27):
He done a rap.,
Emma (29:29):
Gary Busey, obviously the actor, who got shouted at, uh,
Sam (29:33):
Uhhuh.
Emma (29:33):
mark McGrath.
Who's the Sugar Ray front man.
Kko, former MLB player.
Sam (29:43):
Okay.
Emma (29:44):
Okay.
Uh, Richard Hatch.
A Survivor winner.
David Cassidy.
Singer and actor.
Yeah.
And then of course, Meat Loaf.
So you've not got a banging setof a-listers there, have you?
When, uh, I think Meat Loaf'sone of the
Sam (29:57):
Meat Loaf, uh,
Emma (29:58):
there.
Sam (29:58):
From our perspective.
Yeah.
I imagine a former baseballplayer's got a bit
Emma (30:03):
Yeah.
Sam (30:04):
A Survivor winner
Emma (30:06):
I mean, that's bottom of the barrel scraping, isn't it?
Sam (30:08):
it?
Well you say that, but again,American Traitors is all
survivor winners and people offReal Housewives and somehow they
think that's good.
Emma (30:17):
It's not.
Sam (30:19):
uh, yeah.
Emma (30:20):
The thing that gets me is in the UK there would be at
least one comedian
Sam (30:26):
Yeah, that's true.
Yes.
Celebrity versions of game orreality shows are an excuse for
comedians to fart about.
Emma (30:36):
Yeah.
You get sports personalities andother cel
Sam (30:39):
celebrity
Emma (30:40):
as well, but often it is the comedians doing the heavy
lifting,
Sam (30:43):
because they know how to,
Emma (30:45):
they know how to handle situations,
Sam (30:48):
it too seriously and Yeah.
Yeah,
Emma (30:51):
Because this all got a bit too serious.
Not heavy, man.
Again, I've only seen theBritish versions, but in the
Real Apprentice, it never getsto that extent of
Sam (30:59):
No.
I suspect the prizes areastronomically different as
well.
In a UK game show, it's astandard UK game show.
If you go home with 3000 pounds,You've you've, done well, yeah.
In America, that's the prizethey give you for off, putting
your name down on the badge.
Emma (31:18):
It just fascinated me that this song came out of this
unlikely partnership betweenfour of Team backbone.
So.
Sam (31:24):
was Stand in the Storm released as part of The
Apprentice or was it kind ofafter the show all went, Hey
guys,
Emma (31:30):
The Apprentice itself was filmed in late 2010 and early
2011.
The song Stand in the Storm wasrecorded and released shortly
after the show in May, 2011.
a direct result of therelationships and creative
chemistry that Meat Loaf hadwith John Rich, mark McGrath and
Lil John so it did comeafterwards.
(31:53):
I wonder if it was jammed on analbum
Sam (31:57):
Yeah.
As a result of that.
Yeah, that's just what I wasthinking.
Emma, that was a reallyinteresting dive into, I.
The sort of behavior that MeatLoaf exhibiting Yeah.
In the, uh, 2010s.
Mm-hmm.
We've not talked about thissong.
Emma (32:11):
No, we haven't.
Would you like to talk about thesong a We probably should.
It's quite bad.
Sam (32:19):
Is it?
I mean, it's not good.
Emma (32:23):
Well,
Sam (32:24):
It's too long.
Emma (32:25):
It's too long.
Sam (32:26):
half.
so the Ghost of Jim Steinman didmake himself known there.
Emma (32:30):
I think it's written by all four of
Sam (32:32):
and what we know about Cooks is that the more of them
the better as far as broth isconcerned.
Emma (32:41):
I did write something.
So it starts out with some heavyguitars.
Ooh.
We're in for something exciting.
No, we're in, for reactionarymusic made by middle-aged men
who feel marginalized by theexistence of literally anything
else.
They're gonna show you what abackbone's for by standing in
the storm and mixing andtorturing metaphors all over the
bloody
Sam (33:00):
Yeah.
Backbones are not for standingin storms.
No.
You are thinking of umbrellas.
Emma (33:05):
Yes.
And even then, not a great ideain a storm.
Sam (33:08):
in a thunderstorm.
Emma (33:10):
Verse one is Meat Loaf doing is rock and roll mercenary
shtick.
Sam (33:13):
Which to be fair, we both enjoy.
Yeah, it is rubbish.
But we
Emma (33:17):
enjoy it.
It's fun.
It's rubbish, but fun.
Yeah.
Then there's the country verse,and then there's the rap.
Which, as I said, name checksTrump and Gary the Celebrity
Apprentice, which is reallygoing to date it.
Sam (33:32):
oh, sorry, do you think that without that reference to
Donald Trump, this would stillbe being sung up and down
karaoke
Emma (33:38):
bars Absolutely, yes.
Yeah, yeah.
I don't think it's gonna make itonto the car playlist.
it's just, it's horrible.
the fact that it name checksTrump really makes my skin
crawl.
Sam (33:52):
Well, yeah.
I
Emma (33:52):
wanna get too
Sam (33:54):
Um,
Emma (33:54):
but eh,
Sam (33:56):
I mean, you know, they, they were unfortunately pals
Emma (34:00):
me and my crew, we keep it Trump tight.
I'm just gonna sick in my
Sam (34:06):
Yeah.
Just,
Emma (34:09):
It's horrible.
Otherwise it's just likenonsense.
Angry men.
Angry about nothing inparticular.
Just being angry for the sake ofit.
Sam (34:17):
Really being angry that they're not eternally young.
Yeah.
Do you know who was eternallyyoung?
Jim Steinman.
and he was cool with it.
Baby Jim Steinman was justkicking back.
Emma (34:27):
Well, while, while all this was happening, he faffing
around with other
Sam (34:31):
faffing around trying to make a musical out of, two
bricks that he saw leaning on awindow.
It's just a bit, eh, isn't it?
Emma (34:41):
Yeah.
Do you wanna know what thepeople of the internet had to
Sam (34:43):
say?
Yeah.
Tell me what the people of theinternet think.
Emma (34:46):
Mr.
Hoes 9 1 6 0 said This is amess, a combination of too many
musical genres.
Sam (34:56):
Yeah.
Agreed
Emma (34:57):
behind that.
And, Edward Anderson and OddMan.
Said, edit the title Add MarkMcGrath.
You forgot his name'cause itdoesn't mention his name at the
top.
But what, Edward Anderson andOdd Man is missing there is,
it's Mark McGrath.
That's Mark McGrath.
Sam (35:18):
Take that.
Edward Anderson and Odd Man.
Is it time to rate this songthen?
Emma?
Emma (35:21):
think it is
Sam (35:22):
this Okay.
We've not had a great time withthis episode's songs, have we?
No, not a rubbish time.
We've just had such a middle ofthe road time that if this was
the podcast every episode, wemight hang ourselves.
(35:44):
Should we get some Jim in nexttime?
Emma (35:45):
I think we need some Jim.
Sam (35:47):
Okay.
Emma, it is time to rate thissong once again on our.
Slightly less Dusty Meat Loafsong rating scale.
And I remember now why we don'tbring it out that often.
Is this song Marvin Lee Aday?
Marvin Lee Okay.
Or Marvin Lee No Way
Emma (36:03):
What do you think
Sam (36:04):
on this one?.
Individual, sections of it areadequate.
The highest praise reviewer cangive.
But other individual sectionsreference a fascist.
Yeah.
Which isn't
Emma (36:17):
No.
Sam (36:17):
Um, so on balance, Emma,, if I had to choose a generic mid
two thousands rock song to play,I would choose.
Any of what Nickelback havedone.
I'm gonna give this a Marvin LeeNo Way.
Emma (36:35):
I would absolutely agree with you there.
This.
Sam (36:37):
This.
is a Marvin Lee No
Emma (36:40):
Way
Sam (36:42):
You are fired.
that, is that a thing?
I
Emma (36:47):
think.
I think.
Yeah.
They're all
Sam (36:49):
They're all fired
Emma (36:52):
still, at least that's over.
Sam (36:53):
Yeah.
And
Emma (36:55):
can look forward to never having to listen to it again.
Sam (36:57):
Yeah.
But who knows What'll spring outof the later works of Meat Loaf,
Emma?
Emma (37:02):
Well, perhaps we need to, give ourselves something nice.
Sam (37:05):
we probably ought to give ourselves something nice next
time as a little
Emma (37:08):
Yes, the little treat.
Sam (37:10):
But before we go for a little let's have a dive into
the postal mailbag.
So what do you think of thesesongs?
Did you them?
Do you agree with our ratings?
Did you think we actually shouldhave talked a bit more about the
song Heavy as Jesus rather thaneverything else?
Maybe we'll do that for anotherStoney and Meat Loaf song who
knows?
Let us know.
Chat out of hell@gmail.com.
(37:32):
I've only got one message toread out to you this, episode.
And that message is, we do owean apology Brit Pop also Rams
Ash.
Ash did have a girl one in theband for some time.
and on behalf of everybody hereat Chat out of Hell, I'd like to
(37:52):
extend an apology for, implyingthat the only reason that
horrible review from SMASH hitsliked them was cos they didn't
have a girl
Emma (37:58):
one We're sorry, Ash.
Sam (38:00):
We're very sorry,
Emma (38:01):
Well think about what
Sam (38:03):
Sorry, So I set you a challenge at the start of this
episode to think of the JimSteinman song you would've liked
to have had taken to EurovisionEmma?
Emma (38:19):
It's the Fire Inc version of Nowhere Fast
Sam (38:22):
Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
Just the song.
We're having it performed bysome guy from
Emma (38:28):
Belgium.
Okay.
No, I mean, lyrically the FireInc version.
Sam (38:32):
Fine.
it is different
Emma (38:34):
and it's better.
Sam (38:36):
It's better.
Okay.
We'll give that to EngelbertHump Dink.
See how we can do, is that gonnado well at Eurovision?
Emma (38:45):
It would just fill my heart with joy.
Sam (38:48):
What to see.
Emma (38:48):
Do you think something ballady or something more
ridiculous?
Sam (38:51):
Oh, it's gotta be the stupidest song in the songbook.
Emma (38:55):
what's the stupidest It's
Sam (38:57):
It's It's dance in my Pants.
That would be amazing.
Let's send Jan in my pants.
Emma (39:04):
do that.
Sam (39:04):
Performed by Scooter.
Emma (39:06):
With Whigfield.
Sam (39:08):
Whigfield.
Oh.
Oh, what a lineup.
If you're listening, GrahamNorton, I guess you don't need
us.
We've already given you all theGet them, give them a call
Emma (39:19):
because Graham is in charge of who, uh,
Sam (39:22):
gets I never really understand who it is because in
other countries, like Italy hasa whole I.
Music festival dedicated tochoosing their Eurovision act.
Wow.
And here in the UK, you justhear on the radio at some point
in February that Oh, it's, it'sthese people
Emma (39:37):
anyway,
Sam (39:38):
So, Emma, what songs are we bringing next time?
Emma (39:40):
Well, I'm gonna bring, I'm Gonna Love Her for Both of Us
from the Dead Ringer album,
Sam (39:44):
and I'll be bringing, Making Love Out of Nothing at
All, which Jim Steinman wrotefor the Australian Soft Rock Duo
Air Supply.
Listeners do send in youropinions on those if you have
them.
Keep your general Meat Loafthoughts and anecdotes flying
in.
Did you see Meat Loaf in goal atthe All Musicians five Side
League?
That was funny when I it, butnow I've seen Celebrity
Apprentice.
(40:04):
I think that probably was athing that was televised in
America.
Send us an email chat out ofhell@gmail.com.
Any other business, Emma?
Emma (40:13):
Uh, no.
No other business from
Sam (40:14):
time.
No other business from meeither.
So I'll call this meeting to ahalt.
The minutes will be distributedby close of play tomorrow.
If you could initial them andreturn, See you all next.
time on chat.
Out of hell, bye
Emma (40:30):
Bye.
Sam (40:31):
Bow.
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