June 15, 2025 • 41 mins
Grab your boards and hit the waves, dudes. Surf's Up! Jim Steinman's sportiest song slash rude joke meets Meat Loaf's MANLIEST number in this episode. We're stuck in the 80s again, so there's big shoulders and pastel coloured suits aplenty. BUT:
- How MANLY can one song be?
- Was Meat Loaf in on the joke?
- Why does masculinity smell just like Lynx Africa?
PLUS all the usual nonsense, discussion of radioactive animals and a dog determined to make it onto the recording today.
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Music extracts on this episode:
Surf's Up by Jim Steinman from the album Bad For Good (1981)
Surf's Up by Meat Loaf from the album Bad Attitude (1984)
Masculine by Meat Loaf from the album Blind Before I Stop (1986)
Hang on Sloopy by the McCoys from the album Hang on Sloopy (1965)
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Episode Transcript
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Emma (00:00):
What is this?
Sam (00:01):
This is Chat Out of Hell.
It's a sort of internet radioprogram, just like normal radio,
except instead of DJs, you havetwo dorks in a living room and
instead of loads of cool musicby different artists, you have
tiny clips of music exclusivelyby Meat Loaf and or Jim
Steinman, who is Meat Loaf?
Emma (00:19):
Meat Loaf was a singer who, when called up to the draft
for Vietnam, deliberately gainedpounds in four and a half weeks
in an attempt to fail thephysical.
Sam (00:30):
Sorry, I'm just mathsing that into stones.
That's a lot.
Yeah.
Emma (00:33):
Yeah.
Sam (00:34):
Crikey.
Emma (00:35):
Who's Jim Steinman?
Sam (00:36):
Jim Steinman was a musician and producer, described by his
manager David Sonenberg, ashaving"the intellect of an Orson
Wells.
Frozen in the emotional body ofa 17-year-old." Who are we?
Emma (00:49):
We are Emma Crossland and Sam Wilkinson.
And because I'm tired, I didwhat all teenagers do before
they do their homework thesedays.
I asked Chat GPT who we are.
Oh,
Sam (00:59):
Oh,
Emma (01:00):
Apparently Emma, me is a comedic storyteller and local
comedy champion in Leeds,uplifting underrepresented
voices.
Sam, you, apparently complimentme.
Sam (01:14):
I don't recall ever doing
Emma (01:15):
with linguistic, observational, standup musical
flair and a tech archivist'sedge.
Sam (01:22):
Yeah, and this is why you should never trust chat GPT
because there is another SamWilkinson
Emma (01:27):
Yep.
Sam (01:27):
much more famous than me.
He calls himself Sammy Wilk.
Emma (01:32):
Does he?
Sam (01:33):
Ah.
And yeah, he got a bit YouTubefamous.
Anyway, welcome to Chat Out ofHell Bow goodo.
Any pre-show chat?
Emma (01:47):
Um, no, I don't think so.
Should we crack straight on withit?
Sam (01:51):
Alright.
You got somewhere to be?
Emma (01:52):
Yeah.
Sam (01:53):
Oh, okay.
Where you going home?
Emma (01:55):
Home Where my cat is?
Sam (01:57):
Yes.
Your cat's out of jail.
Emma (01:59):
cat is out of radioactive jail.
Sam (02:01):
Yeah.
Shall we provide any context forthat or just leave it to the
listener's imagination.
Emma (02:05):
My cat recently had to have radioactive treatment for
her hyperactive thyroid.
It's been really weird'cause fora week she wasn't in our house
and I really missed her.
And then for another week shewas in our house, but confined
her one room and I really didnot enjoy that.
Sam (02:19):
And now she's allowed in the rest of the house.
Yes.
But you are only allowed to hugher for four hours a day.
Emma (02:25):
Uh, one.
Sam (02:26):
already burnt through more than
Emma (02:27):
that.
It's just an hour a day.
Sam (02:28):
Is it just an hour?
Emma (02:30):
Just an hour at a time,
Sam (02:31):
Oh,
Emma (02:32):
Oh, and I've definitely burnt through that.
Sam (02:33):
Do you have a radioactive cat?
Let us know.
Chat out of hell@gmail.com.
I'm
Emma (02:37):
so disappointed that she doesn't glow in the dark.
Sam (02:41):
Good.
So this is Chat Out of Hell.
It's the Meat Loaf slash JimSteinman podcast where we both
bring a Meat Loaf and or JimSteinman song to the podcast
Emma (02:52):
we do, and then we rate it on our patented Meat Loaf and or
Jim Steinman scales.
Sam (02:57):
Yeah.
But before that, we, we talkabout the
Emma (03:00):
We do
Sam (03:00):
we bring the song,
Emma (03:02):
Unfortunately we do talk about the songs.
Sorry about that, guys.
It could be over so muchquicker.
Sam (03:09):
Emma, what songs have you brought this
Emma (03:10):
Uh, brought Surf's Up from Jim's Bad For Good album, but
also from Meat Loaf's BadAttitude Album.
Sam (03:18):
So much Bad, in one cool surfer song, dude.
Emma (03:24):
What have you brought Sam?
Sam (03:25):
Oh, thank you for asking.
I've brought Masculine fromLoaf's Blind Before I Stop
album.
Emma (03:31):
Sounds like it's going to be exciting.
Sam (03:33):
It's manly AF Emma.
I'm not sure you're allowed toeven listen to it.
Emma (03:38):
As one of them girl
Sam (03:39):
ones.
As one of them girl ones likewhat you get now.
Ugh.
It's just, it's too muchtestosterone in this song.
Emma (03:45):
Oh, is it gonna make me a bit faint?
Sam (03:47):
I suspect you may fall in love with Meat Loaf via the
medium of your ears.
Because of how manly he
Emma (03:56):
is.
Oh.
Oh.
I'm very excited about this now.
Sam (03:59):
Yeah.
But we're gonna save that.
We're gonna listen to Surf's Upfirst.
Emma (04:03):
Surf's Up, dudes!
Sam (04:04):
Yeah.
Uh, so go.
Listeners, go away to YouTube,Spotify, wherever you find your
music, perhaps you find it...
Down the back of the sofa with afew pounds in change and the
program from a musical show youwent to see a few months ago.
Emma (04:22):
Has that turned up recently then Sam?
Sam (04:23):
Yeah, I found it just the other day while I was tidying
up.
Yeah.
Um, go listen to Surf's Up.
We're gonna listen to it now andthen we'll come back and all
talk about it together?
Soundtrack (04:40):
How hard try.
Emma (05:00):
that was Surf's Up from Jim's Bad for Good album, sung
by Rory Dodd, of course,
Sam (05:07):
that was going to be my first comment.
There are some beautiful highnotes in there that Jim didn't
have a hope in hell
Emma (05:13):
not a chance.
What a silly
Sam (05:16):
song.
What a silly song.
Emma.
Emma (05:19):
I've really enjoyed digging into this one., It's
been a lot of fun.
The themes of the song are notsubtle.
Sam (05:28):
I've said it's stuffed with not quite double entendres,
let's call them 1.5 timesentendres.
Emma (05:35):
Some people online have said that it's a song about the
end of a summer love feeling,but I think that we all know
that it's just really one bigjoke about dicks and erections.
There's no subtleties, nothingabout that.
you
Sam (05:49):
losers.
Emma (05:50):
It's about banging.
It's about, but morespecifically about getting hard.
I mean the how hard bit goodLord
Sam (06:01):
followed immediately by surf
Emma (06:03):
up.
And so am I, I love this.
I love, that Jim wrote this, andjust meant it as a big, silly
dick song.
Sam (06:13):
Of course he did.
banging guitar solo on there,
Emma (06:15):
banging guitar solo.
Some absolutely gorgeous stuff.
All the usual crew.
That worked with, with Jim onhis album throughout Rory Dodd,
of course, taking the vocals
Sam (06:25):
a singer,
Emma (06:26):
a good singer, and Jim is not, It's just a fun song.
Sam (06:34):
It's a very fun, I, I, I,
Emma (06:36):
song sung in a very serious way.
Yeah.
Which makes it even
Sam (06:39):
it so much fun.
It's all about having a hugeboner,
Emma (06:44):
Yeah.
And
Sam (06:45):
it's sung.
I do like that he's sort of,he's tried to Maisie, come here.
Oh no,
Emma (06:54):
headphones.
Okay.
Oh, no, Hang on.
Hang on
Sam (07:02):
Uh, yeah, sure.
Um, I love you too.
Sweet dog.
Yeah.
Come this way.
This way.
Over here.
Oh, you sat with your footaround Emma's headphone cable.
There we go.
Emma (07:19):
There we go.
Good girl.
Sam (07:20):
girl.
Okay, Maisie, come here it is.
Time to settle darling.
You were settled and then youheard us talking about bonus.
Emma (07:28):
here.
Dirty Mazie.
We
Sam (07:30):
fixed
Emma (07:32):
sort of thing.
Sam (07:36):
Aw, that's my puppy.
Yeah.
What were we saying?
Emma (07:40):
I can't even remember.
Sam (07:41):
Um, oh yeah, no.
Um, I like that Jim went forquite a Beach Boysie sound.
A Big Brian Wilson sound.
'cause of course that's what youwant on a song called Surf's Up.
So Yeah.
Emma (07:52):
Yeah.
Sam (07:53):
And then he's given Brian Wilson a massive boner.
Emma (07:59):
The more I've, or the more we've got to know Jim mm-hmm.
The more I enjoy how much ofthat sort of thing he pulls.
Sam (08:06):
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Emma (08:07):
At first I sort of thought, oh, he's gonna be quite
a serious musician, but he'snot, he's not, he's dicking
around
Sam (08:13):
Well, that line about, being trapped in the emotional
body of a 17-year-old Yeah.
That is both, in terms of hisfascination with incredibly
deep, intense relationships.
Yeah.
But also dick jokes.
Yeah.
Ma
Emma (08:26):
Because that's what 17 year olds are.
They're just like, intense,
Sam (08:30):
Hang, hang vi Maisy.
Okay.
Hi, beautiful.
Oh, that's your good to, Do goon.
Emma (08:40):
I've lost my train of thought.
Now.
that, that is, that is exactlywhat 17 year olds are.
They're incredibly intense, butalso just wall-to-wall dick
jokes.
And there's no, nothing inbetween.
No subtlety,
Sam (08:51):
no.
No.
Emma (08:52):
No.
Uh, and Jim.
Jim is that and never reallygrows out of it, which I think
is kind of
Sam (08:59):
It is, uh, it's, it's 50% wonderful.
50% a horror
Emma (09:03):
film.
Yes.
Should we watch a
Sam (09:06):
Yeah.
Shall we watch the Meat
Emma (09:07):
video?
Shall we watch?
Let's, let's watch a Meat Loaf
Sam (09:08):
Come on up.
This is Meat Loaf's version ofSurfs Up.
We're gonna listen to it.
You don't have to, do they haveto Oh, Emma says, watch the
video.
Soundtrack (09:16):
And my body is burning like a juice.
I fall what I'm hoping you'll beand the waves on the sand
tonight.
I wanna
Emma (09:35):
That was Meat Loaf's version of Surf's Up, which
came, from his Bad Attitudealbum from 1984.
It was a single, hence why ithas, quite an elaborate music
video.
It did not trouble the charts,
Sam (09:49):
but why?
It's quite good.
is His vocal performance is verygood on
Emma (09:53):
I mean, this is
Sam (09:56):
I, this, this is when he still has a voice.
Sure.
Emma (09:58):
There's a review from a website called Crowd Full of
Pockets, and it says here,"Surf's Up only got a Meat Loaf
cover in 1984, when not evenMeat Loaf's family was
listening.
I think it's a beautiful song.
One of the best on this album.
But I suppose a five minute dickjoke has limited appeal."
Sam (10:18):
He delivers it less like a dick joke.
Emma (10:20):
It's much more po face and serious and own earn earnest,
isn't
Sam (10:24):
it?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I, one does wonder if Meat Loafwas in on the joke.
Emma (10:27):
I don't think he was.
I mean, that video, that videois
Sam (10:30):
Tell the listeners about the video, Emma.
Emma (10:32):
We start out in black and white, and we find a piano
covered in cobwebs.
Is it a wrecked nightclub ofsome sort?
It's hard to tell at this stage.
Meat Loaf is sitting at a tableand he's also covered in
cobwebs.
Is this Meat Haversham?
Sam (10:49):
I knew you'd get there first.
Emma (10:50):
Camera sweeps around and suddenly we're at the same
table, but we're in colourcobwebs.
It's a busy nightclub.
Now.
People are dancing.
Meat Loaf is wearing a horribleeighties suit jacket.
Sam (11:04):
He's very Miami
Emma (11:05):
Vice.
Yeah.
It's weird, isn't
Sam (11:07):
it?
I, well, I quite like that look,to be honest.
I don't think it works on me,but, Meat Loaf carries it
Emma (11:12):
Yeah, I think he, he does all right with it, but it is, it
is a very definite Yeah.
Look.
We're dipping about throughhistory, because there were
black and white, but it's fullblack tie, maybe in the fifties.
And there's a girl, and thenthere were the eighties again.
But there's still a girl.
It's the same girl, but withslightly different bigger hair.
And we are attempting to depicta timeless feeling, perhaps.
(11:35):
Eighties Meat smashes the tablethat he's sitting at Back in the
cobweb black and white era, thewoman is walking through wearing
what looks like a wedding dress.
Then we're back to the eighties,and then she's looking glam.
Everybody's suddenly blinded bya shining guitarist.
Is this a Jesus?
Who
Sam (11:52):
You can't put a Jesus in a song about surfing, about
boners.
Emma (11:56):
Maybe, Jesus represents the boner.
I don't know.
It's all very confusing.
But he's a shining guitarist,dressed in white.
People are dancing in aworshipful way towards him.
Suddenly we're at the beach, andit's nighttime waves are
crashing.
The guitarist is still doing histhing just on the beach now and
less shiny.
Then we're in the fifties forthe next verse where the
(12:17):
guitarist is also still there.
Meat Loaf still sits at histable while people dance around
then we're back at the beachagain.
Meets with his table this timeat the beach.
And the bride She's beensplashed by the waves, which I
feel might be a subtle metaphor.
Meat Loaf finally stands up andwalks over to her.
(12:38):
He's standing behind us singing,and we see the moon and even a
shooting star, she turns to him,they hold hands.
And then lightning strikes inthe background of this
impossible beach.
We flash back to the eightiesfor a bit, and then we finish on
the beach and fuck knows whatany of that's about.
Sam (12:54):
Well, I, I.
As you were talking, I wasobviously thinking about
something else.
Emma (13:00):
Of course, I wouldn't expect you to actually
Sam (13:02):
listen no.
Emma (13:02):
me.
no.
just waiting for your turn tospeak.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's how this works.
Sam (13:08):
I was mentally comparing it with Meat Loaf's video for, It's
all Coming Back to Me Now.
Because this is a trend of MeatLoaf videos of Jim Steinman's
songs.
Where Jim wasn't involved is hetakes the central idea and just
stuffs it full of hot
Emma (13:22):
chicks.
Sam (13:24):
It's All Coming Back to Me Now, the video is very similar
to the Celine Dion one, but withmore hot babes.
Yeah.
Emma (13:30):
While I was scouring the YouTubes, under this video
there's a guy calledMarkBenson2021, who was in the
music video.
Sam (13:42):
Oh, hello.
Emma (13:43):
He said,"this was partially shot at Paddington
Town Hall in Sydney, Australiain 1984 or 85.
Hasn't been heard of for years.
Me and my girl were part of thebackground dancers.
Free sandwiches and beers tillabout 3:00 AM.
A cattle call came over theradio.
We lived locally he had a brokenleg at the time, was on a
(14:03):
carousel spinning to make itlook like we were circling him.
Sam (14:07):
That explains a shot that I'd been wondering about then.
'cause there is a shot of MeatLoaf sitting alone in a chair
when everybody else is offdancing.
I was wondering, why have theymade Meat Loaf look like he's in
a wheelchair?
He might well be in awheelchair.
Emma (14:21):
He fell off stage while touring Australia.
He was very sweaty, wearingheaps of makeup.
There are about four soundstages.
I'm clearly visible at oneminute, 45, wearing what looks
like a footy jumper.
No one ever believed us.
Thanks for the post.
It's a really great song."'CauseI think the video was missing
for years.
(14:41):
and somebody's Oh, okay.
Restored it and found it and,and sort of looked after it.
So I just thought that that wasa lovely little snippet.
Sam (14:47):
Sorry, I've closed the tab, but I now I wanna look for this
dude at one minute forty-fiveMeat Loaf is, singing to the
camera with a selection ofdancers
Emma (14:56):
Any one of those, I guess any one of them lovely
Sam (14:59):
Could be a footie jumper.
Second face in from the right.
Does that remind you of
Emma (15:06):
Go on?
Who does it?
Remind me of
Sam (15:09):
me.
Emma (15:10):
some.
Are you in this video?
Sam (15:12):
looks a bit
Emma (15:15):
some.
Did you, are you older than you,than you claimed to be?
Sam (15:20):
He's got the sort of, it's a, it's a very pixelated video
of course.
But he does have my sort of anose going on and the hair that
I had in my early twenties.
That's disconcerting, isn't it?
Good.
good stuff.
Anyway, you did something thatdidn't involve seeing a sort of
(15:40):
time travel Mandela effectversion of you in a music video.
Tell me about that boring shit.
Emma (15:46):
You mean, the extract from Meat Loaf's autobiography?
Well, as you know, I've beenbattling with this particular
book for some time now.
So once again, I put in thesearch term into the Kindle, and
we've got one response about asingle that he released
Sam (16:03):
Did you look for Surf Is Up?
Emma (16:06):
I didn't.
Perhaps I should have done,.
It has very little to do withthe song.
In fact, it has nothing to dowith the song, but I'm gonna
read it
Sam (16:12):
That's never stopped us before, has it?
Emma (16:13):
Indeed.
We went up to Toronto to do ashow.
We were big in Canada.
More people in Canada owned Batout of Hell than owned snow
shoes."
Sam (16:22):
Fuck off.
Emma (16:24):
"I got Jimmy to come up for that show.
While we're on stage, somebodybroke into our dressing room.
They stole all kinds of moneyand our guitars, but these were
replaceable.
What was really disastrous wasthat Jimmy had brought his lyric
book with him, with all the newlyrics for the next album.
They stole that too.
This was the album that wasgonna be called Bad For Good.
(16:44):
That very night we were gonnasit down and start going through
these new lyrics.
The book never surfaced.
That was a huge, huge setback.
I think that was a reallyterrible reversal for him.
He'd written all of these songsand worked really hard, and when
he lost that book, I don't thinkhe ever completely got it back.
"That's where the second albumdisappeared.
(17:05):
I think some of the songs he gotback, Left in the Dark, Renegade
Angel and Surf's Up are a few ofthem, but he could never ever
get them all back in his head.
After that, he sank down in thedeep end.
The blow was devastating for himand somehow that second album
got lost there."
Sam (17:25):
I think that is a very important extract.
Actually, we've never talkedabout this event before.
No., The album that could havebeen had some cheeky scamp in
Toronto not wanted some moneyand guitars.
Or alternatively, perhaps thereis a man in Toronto, even now
entertaining house parties witha 12 minute mega epic.
Emma (17:46):
Oh, we will never
Sam (17:47):
We'll never know.
But I do have to say Meat sortof imagines that this second
album never existed when it, itdoes Bad For Good came out and
Emma (17:56):
my mom's got it on vinyl.
Sam (17:57):
Yeah.
Lots of, it's all right.
it's quite good.
Emma (18:00):
Would you like to listen to another version of
Sam (18:02):
Well, not particularly, but since we're
Emma (18:04):
another version from what feels like a different
perspective.
Okay.
I've sent you a link.
Soundtrack (18:10):
and my body is burning like a naked.
I wanna turn on the juice, fallin the fire.
I'm gonna drown in the oceansea.
I'm gonna give you one I'mhoping will be given me
Emma (18:27):
The version that you'll just heard a short clip of, and
we've listened to the entiretyis by a woman called Danielle
Steers.
She was the original Zahara inthe musical.
She's also been Catherine Parrin Six.
So a lot of, West End musicaltype stuff.
Yeah.
But in 2021, she released analbum called The Future Ain't
(18:48):
What it Used to Be, seems to bean album of Meat Loaf
Sam (18:52):
Yeah.
I've Big Stein fan.
Emma (18:53):
She is a big Stein fan.
This is a really weird choicethough, this song, because the
whole thing with this song.
It's a dick joke.
And it doesn't work with a womansinging.
Jim wrote loads of really goodsongs for women, really good
banging songs for women.
This is not one of them.
It just, it doesn't work on anylevel, doesn't it?
(19:16):
I don't think so.
Sam (19:17):
I think, this is a meta joke.
Emma (19:19):
Really.
Sam (19:20):
yeah.
She's delivered this with sortof absolute sincerity.
Yeah.
But in an easy listening stylelike the incredible Todd
Rundgren guitar solo from Jim'sversion has been replaced with a
sort of jingly jangly.
Surely that has to be sort of,
Emma (19:38):
maybe, maybe I'm missing the joke,
Sam (19:41):
I don't know.
Emma.
She's got a good voice though.
Good
Emma (19:43):
got a great voice.
Just doesn't quite work for thissong, I
Sam (19:47):
Yeah.
I, yeah.
I don't know.
I'm gonna have to listen to therest of the album.
Emma (19:50):
Yeah.
Um, Considered that my gift to
Sam (19:52):
you, Thank you for that gift.
I, it is genuinely cool thatthere are, you know,
professional singers who are bigenough Steinman fans who wanna
just, I'm gonna cover all myfavorite
Emma (20:01):
Jim songs.
Yeah.
It's quite a lovely thing tofind.
Yeah., So the people of theinternet had things to say, do,
I know we'll go with Jim'sversion first.
Vanessa Warren, 1919 just said,"I want this song played at my
funeral." Jim Steinman was agenius.
Do you want a dick joke at yourfuneral?
Sam (20:22):
Listen, People, lots of people want their funerals to be
a sort of a celebration of theirmemory.
Emma (20:31):
Mm-hmm.
you know,
Sam (20:33):
actually I saw an advert last night that was making me
think,'cause there's a chain offuneral directors here in the UK
doing an advert of like, talk tonow about what you want.
And I was, what would I want?
No, I wouldn't want Surf's Up.
But, there is somebody, and thatis a much more extroverted
somebody than me who would findit fun to play a song about dick
(20:53):
jokes at their funeral.
Emma (20:56):
this YouTube viewer.
Yeah, indeed.
Martin Price 6 7 9 3 said, justsimply puts me in the best place
ever.
This song makes me want to dobetter.
Just imagine singing this songat your best mate's wedding or
something similar without themknowing the gift you have been
given.
(21:16):
Am I going sing it?
Loud and proud, Rory.
Love you, Jim.
Sam (21:22):
Are we going mad Emma?
I
Emma (21:24):
can only think we might be are.
Sam (21:26):
Please tell me the comments were full of hurr hur boner
jokes.
Emma (21:31):
There was a couple of her, her boner.
Sam (21:32):
Okay, good.
We're not
Emma (21:33):
alone, but, but there was a lot of this kind of mawkish
shit inappropriately mor hisshit
Sam (21:41):
Have we gone mad?
This song is definitely a fiveminute dick joke.
Yeah, please do.
Please do that as no chat out ofhell@gmail.com.
Surf up
Emma (21:48):
Surf's up and so am I.
How hard.
It's a dick I don't wanna singthis at somebody's wedding.
Sam (21:55):
Oh God.
At somebody's
Emma (21:57):
I don't really wanna sing anything at people's weddings.
Sam (21:59):
is weird.
Emma (22:01):
Meat Loaf's version jedi, UK said,"this song is just
absolute love and lust andlonging that is quintessentially
the male condition.
A desperate, burning, fleetingyearning that totally consumes
you and saturates every feeling,thought and instinct.
God knows where it goes after,but that internal raging tide is
(22:25):
all encompassing when itthreatens to break against the
cliff face."
Sam (22:30):
And if having an erection gives you a desperate burning,
please do contact a doctor.
Is it time to rate
Emma (22:38):
this song,
Sam (22:38):
It's Okay.
So we are using our traditionalartisan handcrafted Jim Steinman
song rating scale.
So that runs from Jim Steinmanat the top for his finest of
works to Jim Fineman in themiddle for his averagest of
works all the way down to JimDeclineman for the bad and or
(22:59):
sexist songs that he sometimesdid.
But Emma, what's this?
What is this?
Emma (23:06):
What is it?
I
Sam (23:07):
love it.
But I also love Rock and RollMercenaries and we both agreed
that was
Emma (23:11):
shit.
I don't think it's as shit asrock
Sam (23:16):
and roll.
Oh, it's absolutely, listen,it's, it's either a Steinman or
a Fineman.
But it's dancing on that border.
Emma (23:22):
I think it might be a Steinman, you know?
Oh, Because it's just a big,funny dick joke in an over the
top romantic way.
Sam (23:31):
It's a lot of the things that we look for in a Jim song,
isn't
Emma (23:34):
it?
It is.
It does tick a lot of
Sam (23:36):
and, uh, both versions are
Emma (23:38):
Boxes
Sam (23:45):
grow up, Jim Steinman's, bat Out of Hell.
You took the words outta mymouth.
It's all coming back to me now.
Paradise by dashboard light, I'ddo anything for.
Love.
Everything louder thaneverything else.
Rock and roll dreams comethrough.
Original sin, total eclipse ofthe heart.
Life is a lemon.
Oh, it's definitely better thanlife is a lemon.
(24:06):
It is.
It's a Jim Steinman.
This is a Gem Diamond Steinman.
Emma (24:10):
Woo.
Sam, what have you brought to
Sam (24:16):
Emma?
I have brought, a song that Iguarantee only the most hardcore
of Meat Loaf fans in ouraudience have listened to, and
that is Masculine from the albumBlind Before I Stop.
Emma (24:27):
Ooh, this sounds like it will be really good.
Sam (24:30):
Let's find out.
We've just listened to Masculineby Meat Loaf, and I'd like to
(24:53):
apologize to Emma for exposingher to that much testosterone.
Emma (24:57):
Whew.
Sam (24:58):
I know
Emma (24:59):
It reeks
Sam (25:03):
What do you think of that?
You've never listened to thatone at all,
Emma (25:05):
Never heard that.
Yeah.
And it feels unlikely that Iwill ever hear it again.
My goodness.
If a song had a stench, thenthat would be teenage boys'
bedroom or maybe like boys'locker room at school.
Sam (25:22):
Lynx Africa
Emma (25:23):
Lynx Africa
Sam (25:25):
The song had a stench.
Emma (25:27):
That song definitely has a When you think, you know this
song.
that Meat Loaf obviously decidedto record at some point.
It was written for him.
As most of his songs were hedecided that this is definitely
one that he wanted to record.
Compare this to any of the JimSteinman works, and it's just so
weird.
(25:47):
A strange
Sam (25:48):
It's, uh, well, dad's choice.
We're in the realms of, BlindBefore I Stop.
Yeah.
Which is also where Rock andRoll Mercenaries came from.
Yes.
We're in the era of I don't needsongs, I don't need lyrics.
I've got big
Emma (26:02):
Yeah.
It's a time of poor decisions,isn't it?
Sam (26:06):
I don't know.
Right now he's following theeighties of big guitars and
lyrics.
I'm imagining a shoulder pad.
Obviously there was no video.
But,
Emma (26:15):
it definitely comes from the same universe as, rock and
roll
Sam (26:19):
Yeah.
Doesn't it?
Yeah.
It's very stupid.
Emma (26:22):
And it's very testosterone heavy.
Uh, so madly in the mostridiculous and rubbish of ways.
Sam (26:30):
Yes.
Well, I would say for a songcalled Masculine Uhhuh, I was
expecting worse, to be honest.
It is stupid in the same waythat, Hulk Hogan's theme is
stupid, and Real American, theother Hulk Hogan theme is
stupid.
And that is because they comefrom the same writer.
(26:50):
It's that same, it's likewrestling.
It's so stupid.
It must be fake.
Emma (26:57):
It's fake masculinity.
It's, it's a bit
Sam (27:00):
It's, it's a bit toxic, but it's also obviously a pantomime
to anybody who
Emma (27:04):
Who's a teenage boy.
Yes.
Sam (27:06):
Which, you know, the modern pantomime to everybody who isn't
a teenage boy is much moredamaging.
But we're not at that.
We're just a silly song aboutbeing masculine.
Emma (27:18):
I like the, I like the The answer Phone message at the
beginning.
Sam (27:20):
Yes.
It opens with an old lady with athick New Jersey accent calling
to complain about the noise andsaying she's gonna ring the cops
if you don't stop rocking out.
Emma (27:31):
Can you imagine rocking out to this song though?
you know me, I enjoy a bit of arock
Sam (27:37):
out.
I have witnessed you rock out onat least three occasions.
When it's times get tough.
I'm masculine.
When she wants to play rough.
I'm
Emma (27:48):
Ugh.
Sam (27:49):
anytime, any place anyway, in the heat of the night and the
dark of the day.
When it's time to get tough.
I'm masculine.
When she wants to make love.
I'm masculine.
Emma (28:01):
Oh
Sam (28:02):
God.
That's most of the song.
There are a couple of verses atthe beginning, one of which
contains an utterly horrifyinglyric The girl's so deep inside,
like blood in my veins, neverlets me hide.
Now I'm going insane.
It makes me climb the walls,bite my nails to the bone.
It's always by my side.
It never leaves me alone." Bitemy nails to the bone.
(28:24):
To the bone, Emma.
That's genuine body horror.
Yeah.
Stuff., I'm so masculine.
I've bitten off the end of myfinger.
Emma (28:38):
Oh, like it, Sam.
Okay.
Sam (28:40):
I Don't like it.
Okay.
Sorry.
Emma, would you like to learnabout Rick Derringer, writer of
this song?
Emma (28:46):
Probably,
Sam (28:47):
um, we'll see.
Emma (28:48):
Yeah.
Sam (28:49):
He was born, in the 1940s in Ohio.
His birth name was Richard DeanZehringer.
Had an early hit with his band,the McCoys, singing a song
called Hang on Sloopy.
I'm assuming you don't know thatone?
This is 1965.
Soundtrack (29:12):
Hey,
Sam (29:19):
Quite an influential song in, US Garage Rock
Emma (29:22):
Okay.
So it was
Sam (29:24):
After release of this song, he changed his name from
Zehringer to Derringer.
Mm-hmm.
Slightly more Anglicized versionyeah.
But also Derringer is a type ofgun.
Yeah.
Emma (29:33):
Yeah.
Sam (29:34):
Albeit a small gun you can put in a handbag.
He's, quite a big guitarist allover the place.
He's played with loads of names,some of which have cropped up
before.
He played with Johnny Winter andthen his brother Edgar Winter.
Mm-hmm.
And you'll remember Edgar Winteras the man who invented the key
guitar.
Emma (29:50):
Of course.
Sam (29:51):
Under his own name and with bands that he's led, he's
released something 30 albums.
Wow.
He joined Steinman and hislittle crew of session musicians
via Todd Rundgren, who was hisneighbour.
Emma (30:06):
Do you think they, he went round and knocked on his door.
Do you want to come out andplay?
Sam (30:09):
Alright, Mrs.
Rundgren, can you
Emma (30:10):
Todd Go out.
Sam (30:12):
He played on some of Todd's albums and then he met Meat and
Jim through that.
Yeah.
Of interest to the podcast, hewas lead guitar on Making Love
Out Of Nothing at All.
As discussed last week, totalTotal Eclipse Barbara
Streisand's version of Left inthe Dark, which we've yet to
talk about.
Cyndi Lauper was a good friend.
He played on the True Coloursalbum, not on the song True
(30:32):
Colours, he played with Weird AlWow.
He produced Weird Al's first sixalbums, and he played on the,
song.
Eat It,
Emma (30:41):
Which is the Beat
Sam (30:42):
It.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And Fat, which was a, Badparody.
So both the Michael Jacksonparodies, Weird Al was also a
good friend.
He posted warm Rick went downthe same route as Meat Loaf in
his later life.
Rick, became, an evangelicalChristian self-described Jesus
freak, but also big into rightwing conservative politics.
(31:06):
Yeah.
In a way that gives us the ick.
Um, but he also rerecorded the,so the Hulk Hogan theme, Real
American that he wrote, heupdated the lyrics on it to be
more inclusive in 2017.
Yeah.
So, the lyrics changed from,"Igotta be a man.
I can't let it slide" to,"Igotta lend a hand.
(31:27):
I can't let it slide.
Emma (31:29):
And
Sam (31:30):
for the right of every man became fight for the rights of
everyone.
Real American's interestingbecause he always wanted it to
be more than, the theme to awrestler running around
pretending to hit guys.
Yeah.
And it did become that it's beenused several times by
politicians on both sides of theaisle in campaign stuff, which
delighted him, no matter whoused it.
So Hillary Clinton used it aspart of her first presidential
(31:53):
bid in I think 2008.
When Obama released his birthcertificate to shut the stupid
birther
Emma (32:01):
up.
Yeah.
He
Sam (32:02):
the song Real American.
And of course, the bad, horribleones have used it as well.
Of course they have.
But, he had this desire thatthis would be kind of the new
national anthem.
Oh, it's ly naive and weird.
And, I'm sorry, Americans, yourbrand of patriotism is
particularly baffling to thoseof us from outside.
(32:22):
But it's, it is a huge instanceof that.
Yeah.
Um, so yeah, it's very odd.
Emma (32:30):
Sounds like a complicated
Sam (32:32):
A complicated man,
Emma (32:33):
especially when he's being masculine,
Sam (32:36):
yeah.
Rick wrote this song for MeatLoaf, Rick, the, guitar playing
legend.
Didn't bother playing guitar onthe song.
No, no.
The guitar on this was by Peterer, who was a fairly well known
session in Germany.
He's not well known enough inthe English speaking world to
have an English Wikipedia entry.
Right.
That's Rick Derringer for you.
(32:57):
Interesting chap.
Yeah.
He, um, he is very well regardedin guitar circles and like I
say, he's played with absolutelytons of bands.
He's a Grafter.
But Emma, it's time for thequiz.
Emma (33:10):
My favorite bit.
Sam (33:13):
he's released so many albums, but which one of these
is not the name of an album thathe's released either under his
name or one of his bands?
A Guitars and Women b.
Hey Mac, or C if I Weren't soRomantic, I'd Shoot You.
Emma (33:35):
Well, Hey Mac feels like a trick, but the first one.
The first one, what
Sam (33:39):
that Guitars and Women.
Emma (33:40):
Guitars that's a terrible name for which makes me think
you didn't make it
Sam (33:47):
up.
Emma (33:49):
So
Sam (33:50):
thank you.
Emma (33:51):
I, oh, I never get these right, and it's, it's starting
to, starting to have an effect.
Dread this bit.
Now you talk
Sam (34:01):
about this at therapy?
I got it again.
Emma (34:04):
He tricked me again.
How am I gonna get over thisthis time?
I know it's not important that Iwin everything, but it's
important that I win everything.
Sam (34:12):
Even an obviously rigged quiz,
Emma (34:15):
Right, I'm gonna say that Hey.
I know.
No.
'cause that feels like it wastoo obvious as well.
Oh, you got into my head, Sam.
No sleep for me tonight.
I'm gonna say, Hey, Mac is theone that he didn't do.
Sam (34:33):
Well done.
Yeah.
Hey, Mac is half of a lyric fromMacarena.
Of course.
Hey, Macarena.
So
Emma (34:40):
did make it simple.
Sam (34:41):
I did.
And I knew that you would dothat.
Emma (34:45):
I hate you.
I hate you.
Sam (34:48):
Well done Emma.
Emma (34:49):
Thanks.
Sam (34:50):
You've got a point, I think got a point.
I think you've got two points,this series, that's which beats
your all time series record by,by two points.
Do you wanna hear what thepeople of the internet think?
do.
At Brian XU nine D one, I'vebeen a huge Meat Loaf fan since
1977, but this song sucks.
Emma (35:11):
He's not wrong.
Sam (35:11):
He's not wrong.
He's not wrong.
Basically all there is to sayabout it.
Emma (35:14):
Yep.
Sam (35:14):
We're gonna apply our special Meat Loaf song rating
scale to this song, which startswith Marvin Lee Aday at the top
to Marvin Lee Okay in themiddle, all the way down to
Marvin Lee No Way.
Emma, what's this?
Emma (35:30):
it's a no no way.
isn't it?
Sam (35:32):
not offensive.
It's just bad.
It is just bad.
There's nothing to recommend.
There's nothing that makes mesay
Emma (35:39):
it's not even like so bad.
It's good.
Sam (35:42):
Right?
It's not that like rock and rollmercenaries.
is just nothing.
It is just four minutes on a cd.
Yeah.
Um, filler.
So this is a Marvin Lee.
No.
No way.
Emma (36:01):
Good.
Sam (36:02):
so that's our songs this episode.
But what did you think aboutthem?
Did you agree with us?
Did you disagree?
Do you wanna rate that last songhigher?
No, are wrong.
Drop us a line at chat out ofhell@gmail.com.
Like these people have.
Why don't we hear what thepeople of the people of the
internet, specifically thepeople of the internet who
listen to our podcast have tosay in general.
(36:22):
We forgot to do email last week'cause we were quite tired
Claire Muncaster has been backin touch.
Hey.
Hi Claire.
Hi Claire.
We talked, a little while ago asong that had Justin Hawkins out
of off of the Darkness on Yeah.
Claire has discovered that hehas his own podcast.
Justin Hawkins rides again.
Ooh,
Emma (36:38):
Ooh.
Sam (36:40):
Claire says.
I had the biggest crush on himback in the day.
Can we induct him into theLoafverse too?
I don't know if those two thingsare linked.
But yeah, he's a bonafide memberof the
Emma (36:53):
Loafverse.
Yeah.
He's done writings and that, andperformances on, various Meat
Loaf
Sam (36:57):
Yeah.
We need to dive further intoHang Cool Teddy Bear, is the
album that he was on.
Claire does suggest chat out ofhell rides again C-O-O-H-R-A Ra
Emma (37:09):
rah.
Sam (37:09):
Uh, can Sam get his voice that high as high as one of the
most famous falsetto singers inthe 21st century British rock
cannon?
No.
Get your hands off of themotherfucker.
Speaking of toxic
Emma (37:30):
masculinity,
Sam (37:32):
Emma, next time we're gonna dive into the recommendations
bag from our listeners to markthe end of the series.
Right.
so what are you gonna bring,
Emma (37:46):
As
Sam (37:47):
Wonderful.
And I am gonna go to a requestfrom Tom Woffendon several
series ago, I think.
So it's about time we picked itup, Kickapoo from the Tenacious
D film soundtrack, and that isby Meat Loaf, you know, Meat
Loaf, that guy that we like.
Let us know what you think aboutthose.
Chat out of help@gmail.com.
(38:08):
And then this email is fromKathryn Richards.
Dunno, dunno.
Don't dox my wife.
Hello team.
I've just started listening toyour podcast and recently
finished your episode about Rockand Roll Mercenaries.
watched the music video on mutewhile listening.
Good call, and observed thatMeat Loaf looks like he was
(38:28):
playing Guitar Hero in a bedsit.
Emma (38:30):
Seat.
Thank you, Kat.
That's very, very
Sam (38:36):
It's very apt.
Yeah., You know how Jim couldn'tdrive or ride a motorbike?
Do we know if Meat couldactually play the guitar?
Emma (38:46):
I think he could.
But we need to, clarify.
Is there any
Sam (38:50):
of skill, I guess.
Emma (38:52):
Yeah.
Sam (38:53):
Meat Loaf and guitars are inexorably linked in the mind.
But I, I'm wondering if that'sjust the power suggestion
Emma (39:01):
It could be
Sam (39:02):
A few of our listeners have seen me.
You've seen Meat Loaf
Emma (39:04):
Live.
Sam (39:04):
Yes.
Was he,
Emma (39:05):
Was he at times?
I think he had guitars.
Whether he was playing them ornot different
Sam (39:11):
Did he have,, one of them special lackeys who bring on,
another guitar when he bored ofthe color of this one?
Emma (39:16):
I think, I think there were lackeys that brought on
guitars.
Sam (39:19):
Listeners, I know a lot of you have seen Meat Loaf live.
Those of you who have, how ishis guitar playing?
Is he any better thanperfunctory?
Do let us know.
Chat out of hell@gmail.com.
Also, do you have a radioactivecat?
Can you confirm for us thatSurf's Up is indeed a dick joke?
Chat out of hell@gmail.com.
Let us know any general MeatLoaf thoughts or anecdotes.
(39:41):
Did you see Meat Loaf playingKabadi chat out of
hell@gmail.com.
Also, proper podcast.
Ask this all the time, we keepforgetting.
Um, us a favor and give us afive star review on your podcast
listening app of choice.
Recommend us to your friends.
If you are the sort of weirdothat listens to two dorks
(40:01):
chatting on about Meat Loaf,your friends are probably into
it as well.
Emma (40:04):
None of our friends are.
Sam (40:07):
Sure, sure.
Chat hell@gmail.com that youhave friends, go on, give us a
recommend, mention it.
Um, everybody listens topodcasts now I reckon it's
probably good I've not been on afirst date in.
15 years.
You are very similar, right?
Oh,
Emma (40:27):
even longer than that.
Mine's been like 17, 18 yearssince I was on a first
Sam (40:31):
So podcast basically didn't exist when Emma and I were last
single.
But any of you who are outdating, you probably have like,
oh, what?
What podcast do you listen to?
Mention chat out of hell.
It'll get you either to a seconddate or you weren't right
anyway, it's fine.
Let us know how those dates go.
chatoutofhell@gmail.com.
(40:52):
That's the end of the podcast.
Anything else to say, Emma?
Wonderful.
And it's all good from me.
Bow
Emma (41:04):
Chat out of hell will not get you
What is this?
Sam (00:01):
This is Chat Out of Hell.
It's a sort of internet radioprogram, just like normal radio,
except instead of DJs, you havetwo dorks in a living room and
instead of loads of cool musicby different artists, you have
tiny clips of music exclusivelyby Meat Loaf and or Jim
Steinman, who is Meat Loaf?
Emma (00:19):
Meat Loaf was a singer who, when called up to the draft
for Vietnam, deliberately gainedpounds in four and a half weeks
in an attempt to fail thephysical.
Sam (00:30):
Sorry, I'm just mathsing that into stones.
That's a lot.
Yeah.
Emma (00:33):
Yeah.
Sam (00:34):
Crikey.
Emma (00:35):
Who's Jim Steinman?
Sam (00:36):
Jim Steinman was a musician and producer, described by his
manager David Sonenberg, ashaving"the intellect of an Orson
Wells.
Frozen in the emotional body ofa 17-year-old." Who are we?
Emma (00:49):
We are Emma Crossland and Sam Wilkinson.
And because I'm tired, I didwhat all teenagers do before
they do their homework thesedays.
I asked Chat GPT who we are.
Oh,
Sam (00:59):
Oh,
Emma (01:00):
Apparently Emma, me is a comedic storyteller and local
comedy champion in Leeds,uplifting underrepresented
voices.
Sam, you, apparently complimentme.
Sam (01:14):
I don't recall ever doing
Emma (01:15):
with linguistic, observational, standup musical
flair and a tech archivist'sedge.
Sam (01:22):
Yeah, and this is why you should never trust chat GPT
because there is another SamWilkinson
Emma (01:27):
Yep.
Sam (01:27):
much more famous than me.
He calls himself Sammy Wilk.
Emma (01:32):
Does he?
Sam (01:33):
Ah.
And yeah, he got a bit YouTubefamous.
Anyway, welcome to Chat Out ofHell Bow goodo.
Any pre-show chat?
Emma (01:47):
Um, no, I don't think so.
Should we crack straight on withit?
Sam (01:51):
Alright.
You got somewhere to be?
Emma (01:52):
Yeah.
Sam (01:53):
Oh, okay.
Where you going home?
Emma (01:55):
Home Where my cat is?
Sam (01:57):
Yes.
Your cat's out of jail.
Emma (01:59):
cat is out of radioactive jail.
Sam (02:01):
Yeah.
Shall we provide any context forthat or just leave it to the
listener's imagination.
Emma (02:05):
My cat recently had to have radioactive treatment for
her hyperactive thyroid.
It's been really weird'cause fora week she wasn't in our house
and I really missed her.
And then for another week shewas in our house, but confined
her one room and I really didnot enjoy that.
Sam (02:19):
And now she's allowed in the rest of the house.
Yes.
But you are only allowed to hugher for four hours a day.
Emma (02:25):
Uh, one.
Sam (02:26):
already burnt through more than
Emma (02:27):
that.
It's just an hour a day.
Sam (02:28):
Is it just an hour?
Emma (02:30):
Just an hour at a time,
Sam (02:31):
Oh,
Emma (02:32):
Oh, and I've definitely burnt through that.
Sam (02:33):
Do you have a radioactive cat?
Let us know.
Chat out of hell@gmail.com.
I'm
Emma (02:37):
so disappointed that she doesn't glow in the dark.
Sam (02:41):
Good.
So this is Chat Out of Hell.
It's the Meat Loaf slash JimSteinman podcast where we both
bring a Meat Loaf and or JimSteinman song to the podcast
Emma (02:52):
we do, and then we rate it on our patented Meat Loaf and or
Jim Steinman scales.
Sam (02:57):
Yeah.
But before that, we, we talkabout the
Emma (03:00):
We do
Sam (03:00):
we bring the song,
Emma (03:02):
Unfortunately we do talk about the songs.
Sorry about that, guys.
It could be over so muchquicker.
Sam (03:09):
Emma, what songs have you brought this
Emma (03:10):
Uh, brought Surf's Up from Jim's Bad For Good album, but
also from Meat Loaf's BadAttitude Album.
Sam (03:18):
So much Bad, in one cool surfer song, dude.
Emma (03:24):
What have you brought Sam?
Sam (03:25):
Oh, thank you for asking.
I've brought Masculine fromLoaf's Blind Before I Stop
album.
Emma (03:31):
Sounds like it's going to be exciting.
Sam (03:33):
It's manly AF Emma.
I'm not sure you're allowed toeven listen to it.
Emma (03:38):
As one of them girl
Sam (03:39):
ones.
As one of them girl ones likewhat you get now.
Ugh.
It's just, it's too muchtestosterone in this song.
Emma (03:45):
Oh, is it gonna make me a bit faint?
Sam (03:47):
I suspect you may fall in love with Meat Loaf via the
medium of your ears.
Because of how manly he
Emma (03:56):
is.
Oh.
Oh.
I'm very excited about this now.
Sam (03:59):
Yeah.
But we're gonna save that.
We're gonna listen to Surf's Upfirst.
Emma (04:03):
Surf's Up, dudes!
Sam (04:04):
Yeah.
Uh, so go.
Listeners, go away to YouTube,Spotify, wherever you find your
music, perhaps you find it...
Down the back of the sofa with afew pounds in change and the
program from a musical show youwent to see a few months ago.
Emma (04:22):
Has that turned up recently then Sam?
Sam (04:23):
Yeah, I found it just the other day while I was tidying
up.
Yeah.
Um, go listen to Surf's Up.
We're gonna listen to it now andthen we'll come back and all
talk about it together?
Soundtrack (04:40):
How hard try.
Emma (05:00):
that was Surf's Up from Jim's Bad for Good album, sung
by Rory Dodd, of course,
Sam (05:07):
that was going to be my first comment.
There are some beautiful highnotes in there that Jim didn't
have a hope in hell
Emma (05:13):
not a chance.
What a silly
Sam (05:16):
song.
What a silly song.
Emma.
Emma (05:19):
I've really enjoyed digging into this one., It's
been a lot of fun.
The themes of the song are notsubtle.
Sam (05:28):
I've said it's stuffed with not quite double entendres,
let's call them 1.5 timesentendres.
Emma (05:35):
Some people online have said that it's a song about the
end of a summer love feeling,but I think that we all know
that it's just really one bigjoke about dicks and erections.
There's no subtleties, nothingabout that.
you
Sam (05:49):
losers.
Emma (05:50):
It's about banging.
It's about, but morespecifically about getting hard.
I mean the how hard bit goodLord
Sam (06:01):
followed immediately by surf
Emma (06:03):
up.
And so am I, I love this.
I love, that Jim wrote this, andjust meant it as a big, silly
dick song.
Sam (06:13):
Of course he did.
banging guitar solo on there,
Emma (06:15):
banging guitar solo.
Some absolutely gorgeous stuff.
All the usual crew.
That worked with, with Jim onhis album throughout Rory Dodd,
of course, taking the vocals
Sam (06:25):
a singer,
Emma (06:26):
a good singer, and Jim is not, It's just a fun song.
Sam (06:34):
It's a very fun, I, I, I,
Emma (06:36):
song sung in a very serious way.
Yeah.
Which makes it even
Sam (06:39):
it so much fun.
It's all about having a hugeboner,
Emma (06:44):
Yeah.
And
Sam (06:45):
it's sung.
I do like that he's sort of,he's tried to Maisie, come here.
Oh no,
Emma (06:54):
headphones.
Okay.
Oh, no, Hang on.
Hang on
Sam (07:02):
Uh, yeah, sure.
Um, I love you too.
Sweet dog.
Yeah.
Come this way.
This way.
Over here.
Oh, you sat with your footaround Emma's headphone cable.
There we go.
Emma (07:19):
There we go.
Good girl.
Sam (07:20):
girl.
Okay, Maisie, come here it is.
Time to settle darling.
You were settled and then youheard us talking about bonus.
Emma (07:28):
here.
Dirty Mazie.
We
Sam (07:30):
fixed
Emma (07:32):
sort of thing.
Sam (07:36):
Aw, that's my puppy.
Yeah.
What were we saying?
Emma (07:40):
I can't even remember.
Sam (07:41):
Um, oh yeah, no.
Um, I like that Jim went forquite a Beach Boysie sound.
A Big Brian Wilson sound.
'cause of course that's what youwant on a song called Surf's Up.
So Yeah.
Emma (07:52):
Yeah.
Sam (07:53):
And then he's given Brian Wilson a massive boner.
Emma (07:59):
The more I've, or the more we've got to know Jim mm-hmm.
The more I enjoy how much ofthat sort of thing he pulls.
Sam (08:06):
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Emma (08:07):
At first I sort of thought, oh, he's gonna be quite
a serious musician, but he'snot, he's not, he's dicking
around
Sam (08:13):
Well, that line about, being trapped in the emotional
body of a 17-year-old Yeah.
That is both, in terms of hisfascination with incredibly
deep, intense relationships.
Yeah.
But also dick jokes.
Yeah.
Ma
Emma (08:26):
Because that's what 17 year olds are.
They're just like, intense,
Sam (08:30):
Hang, hang vi Maisy.
Okay.
Hi, beautiful.
Oh, that's your good to, Do goon.
Emma (08:40):
I've lost my train of thought.
Now.
that, that is, that is exactlywhat 17 year olds are.
They're incredibly intense, butalso just wall-to-wall dick
jokes.
And there's no, nothing inbetween.
No subtlety,
Sam (08:51):
no.
No.
Emma (08:52):
No.
Uh, and Jim.
Jim is that and never reallygrows out of it, which I think
is kind of
Sam (08:59):
It is, uh, it's, it's 50% wonderful.
50% a horror
Emma (09:03):
film.
Yes.
Should we watch a
Sam (09:06):
Yeah.
Shall we watch the Meat
Emma (09:07):
video?
Shall we watch?
Let's, let's watch a Meat Loaf
Sam (09:08):
Come on up.
This is Meat Loaf's version ofSurfs Up.
We're gonna listen to it.
You don't have to, do they haveto Oh, Emma says, watch the
video.
Soundtrack (09:16):
And my body is burning like a juice.
I fall what I'm hoping you'll beand the waves on the sand
tonight.
I wanna
Emma (09:35):
That was Meat Loaf's version of Surf's Up, which
came, from his Bad Attitudealbum from 1984.
It was a single, hence why ithas, quite an elaborate music
video.
It did not trouble the charts,
Sam (09:49):
but why?
It's quite good.
is His vocal performance is verygood on
Emma (09:53):
I mean, this is
Sam (09:56):
I, this, this is when he still has a voice.
Sure.
Emma (09:58):
There's a review from a website called Crowd Full of
Pockets, and it says here,"Surf's Up only got a Meat Loaf
cover in 1984, when not evenMeat Loaf's family was
listening.
I think it's a beautiful song.
One of the best on this album.
But I suppose a five minute dickjoke has limited appeal."
Sam (10:18):
He delivers it less like a dick joke.
Emma (10:20):
It's much more po face and serious and own earn earnest,
isn't
Sam (10:24):
it?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I, one does wonder if Meat Loafwas in on the joke.
Emma (10:27):
I don't think he was.
I mean, that video, that videois
Sam (10:30):
Tell the listeners about the video, Emma.
Emma (10:32):
We start out in black and white, and we find a piano
covered in cobwebs.
Is it a wrecked nightclub ofsome sort?
It's hard to tell at this stage.
Meat Loaf is sitting at a tableand he's also covered in
cobwebs.
Is this Meat Haversham?
Sam (10:49):
I knew you'd get there first.
Emma (10:50):
Camera sweeps around and suddenly we're at the same
table, but we're in colourcobwebs.
It's a busy nightclub.
Now.
People are dancing.
Meat Loaf is wearing a horribleeighties suit jacket.
Sam (11:04):
He's very Miami
Emma (11:05):
Vice.
Yeah.
It's weird, isn't
Sam (11:07):
it?
I, well, I quite like that look,to be honest.
I don't think it works on me,but, Meat Loaf carries it
Emma (11:12):
Yeah, I think he, he does all right with it, but it is, it
is a very definite Yeah.
Look.
We're dipping about throughhistory, because there were
black and white, but it's fullblack tie, maybe in the fifties.
And there's a girl, and thenthere were the eighties again.
But there's still a girl.
It's the same girl, but withslightly different bigger hair.
And we are attempting to depicta timeless feeling, perhaps.
(11:35):
Eighties Meat smashes the tablethat he's sitting at Back in the
cobweb black and white era, thewoman is walking through wearing
what looks like a wedding dress.
Then we're back to the eighties,and then she's looking glam.
Everybody's suddenly blinded bya shining guitarist.
Is this a Jesus?
Who
Sam (11:52):
You can't put a Jesus in a song about surfing, about
boners.
Emma (11:56):
Maybe, Jesus represents the boner.
I don't know.
It's all very confusing.
But he's a shining guitarist,dressed in white.
People are dancing in aworshipful way towards him.
Suddenly we're at the beach, andit's nighttime waves are
crashing.
The guitarist is still doing histhing just on the beach now and
less shiny.
Then we're in the fifties forthe next verse where the
(12:17):
guitarist is also still there.
Meat Loaf still sits at histable while people dance around
then we're back at the beachagain.
Meets with his table this timeat the beach.
And the bride She's beensplashed by the waves, which I
feel might be a subtle metaphor.
Meat Loaf finally stands up andwalks over to her.
(12:38):
He's standing behind us singing,and we see the moon and even a
shooting star, she turns to him,they hold hands.
And then lightning strikes inthe background of this
impossible beach.
We flash back to the eightiesfor a bit, and then we finish on
the beach and fuck knows whatany of that's about.
Sam (12:54):
Well, I, I.
As you were talking, I wasobviously thinking about
something else.
Emma (13:00):
Of course, I wouldn't expect you to actually
Sam (13:02):
listen no.
Emma (13:02):
me.
no.
just waiting for your turn tospeak.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's how this works.
Sam (13:08):
I was mentally comparing it with Meat Loaf's video for, It's
all Coming Back to Me Now.
Because this is a trend of MeatLoaf videos of Jim Steinman's
songs.
Where Jim wasn't involved is hetakes the central idea and just
stuffs it full of hot
Emma (13:22):
chicks.
Sam (13:24):
It's All Coming Back to Me Now, the video is very similar
to the Celine Dion one, but withmore hot babes.
Yeah.
Emma (13:30):
While I was scouring the YouTubes, under this video
there's a guy calledMarkBenson2021, who was in the
music video.
Sam (13:42):
Oh, hello.
Emma (13:43):
He said,"this was partially shot at Paddington
Town Hall in Sydney, Australiain 1984 or 85.
Hasn't been heard of for years.
Me and my girl were part of thebackground dancers.
Free sandwiches and beers tillabout 3:00 AM.
A cattle call came over theradio.
We lived locally he had a brokenleg at the time, was on a
(14:03):
carousel spinning to make itlook like we were circling him.
Sam (14:07):
That explains a shot that I'd been wondering about then.
'cause there is a shot of MeatLoaf sitting alone in a chair
when everybody else is offdancing.
I was wondering, why have theymade Meat Loaf look like he's in
a wheelchair?
He might well be in awheelchair.
Emma (14:21):
He fell off stage while touring Australia.
He was very sweaty, wearingheaps of makeup.
There are about four soundstages.
I'm clearly visible at oneminute, 45, wearing what looks
like a footy jumper.
No one ever believed us.
Thanks for the post.
It's a really great song."'CauseI think the video was missing
for years.
(14:41):
and somebody's Oh, okay.
Restored it and found it and,and sort of looked after it.
So I just thought that that wasa lovely little snippet.
Sam (14:47):
Sorry, I've closed the tab, but I now I wanna look for this
dude at one minute forty-fiveMeat Loaf is, singing to the
camera with a selection ofdancers
Emma (14:56):
Any one of those, I guess any one of them lovely
Sam (14:59):
Could be a footie jumper.
Second face in from the right.
Does that remind you of
Emma (15:06):
Go on?
Who does it?
Remind me of
Sam (15:09):
me.
Emma (15:10):
some.
Are you in this video?
Sam (15:12):
looks a bit
Emma (15:15):
some.
Did you, are you older than you,than you claimed to be?
Sam (15:20):
He's got the sort of, it's a, it's a very pixelated video
of course.
But he does have my sort of anose going on and the hair that
I had in my early twenties.
That's disconcerting, isn't it?
Good.
good stuff.
Anyway, you did something thatdidn't involve seeing a sort of
(15:40):
time travel Mandela effectversion of you in a music video.
Tell me about that boring shit.
Emma (15:46):
You mean, the extract from Meat Loaf's autobiography?
Well, as you know, I've beenbattling with this particular
book for some time now.
So once again, I put in thesearch term into the Kindle, and
we've got one response about asingle that he released
Sam (16:03):
Did you look for Surf Is Up?
Emma (16:06):
I didn't.
Perhaps I should have done,.
It has very little to do withthe song.
In fact, it has nothing to dowith the song, but I'm gonna
read it
Sam (16:12):
That's never stopped us before, has it?
Emma (16:13):
Indeed.
We went up to Toronto to do ashow.
We were big in Canada.
More people in Canada owned Batout of Hell than owned snow
shoes."
Sam (16:22):
Fuck off.
Emma (16:24):
"I got Jimmy to come up for that show.
While we're on stage, somebodybroke into our dressing room.
They stole all kinds of moneyand our guitars, but these were
replaceable.
What was really disastrous wasthat Jimmy had brought his lyric
book with him, with all the newlyrics for the next album.
They stole that too.
This was the album that wasgonna be called Bad For Good.
(16:44):
That very night we were gonnasit down and start going through
these new lyrics.
The book never surfaced.
That was a huge, huge setback.
I think that was a reallyterrible reversal for him.
He'd written all of these songsand worked really hard, and when
he lost that book, I don't thinkhe ever completely got it back.
"That's where the second albumdisappeared.
(17:05):
I think some of the songs he gotback, Left in the Dark, Renegade
Angel and Surf's Up are a few ofthem, but he could never ever
get them all back in his head.
After that, he sank down in thedeep end.
The blow was devastating for himand somehow that second album
got lost there."
Sam (17:25):
I think that is a very important extract.
Actually, we've never talkedabout this event before.
No., The album that could havebeen had some cheeky scamp in
Toronto not wanted some moneyand guitars.
Or alternatively, perhaps thereis a man in Toronto, even now
entertaining house parties witha 12 minute mega epic.
Emma (17:46):
Oh, we will never
Sam (17:47):
We'll never know.
But I do have to say Meat sortof imagines that this second
album never existed when it, itdoes Bad For Good came out and
Emma (17:56):
my mom's got it on vinyl.
Sam (17:57):
Yeah.
Lots of, it's all right.
it's quite good.
Emma (18:00):
Would you like to listen to another version of
Sam (18:02):
Well, not particularly, but since we're
Emma (18:04):
another version from what feels like a different
perspective.
Okay.
I've sent you a link.
Soundtrack (18:10):
and my body is burning like a naked.
I wanna turn on the juice, fallin the fire.
I'm gonna drown in the oceansea.
I'm gonna give you one I'mhoping will be given me
Emma (18:27):
The version that you'll just heard a short clip of, and
we've listened to the entiretyis by a woman called Danielle
Steers.
She was the original Zahara inthe musical.
She's also been Catherine Parrin Six.
So a lot of, West End musicaltype stuff.
Yeah.
But in 2021, she released analbum called The Future Ain't
(18:48):
What it Used to Be, seems to bean album of Meat Loaf
Sam (18:52):
Yeah.
I've Big Stein fan.
Emma (18:53):
She is a big Stein fan.
This is a really weird choicethough, this song, because the
whole thing with this song.
It's a dick joke.
And it doesn't work with a womansinging.
Jim wrote loads of really goodsongs for women, really good
banging songs for women.
This is not one of them.
It just, it doesn't work on anylevel, doesn't it?
(19:16):
I don't think so.
Sam (19:17):
I think, this is a meta joke.
Emma (19:19):
Really.
Sam (19:20):
yeah.
She's delivered this with sortof absolute sincerity.
Yeah.
But in an easy listening stylelike the incredible Todd
Rundgren guitar solo from Jim'sversion has been replaced with a
sort of jingly jangly.
Surely that has to be sort of,
Emma (19:38):
maybe, maybe I'm missing the joke,
Sam (19:41):
I don't know.
Emma.
She's got a good voice though.
Good
Emma (19:43):
got a great voice.
Just doesn't quite work for thissong, I
Sam (19:47):
Yeah.
I, yeah.
I don't know.
I'm gonna have to listen to therest of the album.
Emma (19:50):
Yeah.
Um, Considered that my gift to
Sam (19:52):
you, Thank you for that gift.
I, it is genuinely cool thatthere are, you know,
professional singers who are bigenough Steinman fans who wanna
just, I'm gonna cover all myfavorite
Emma (20:01):
Jim songs.
Yeah.
It's quite a lovely thing tofind.
Yeah., So the people of theinternet had things to say, do,
I know we'll go with Jim'sversion first.
Vanessa Warren, 1919 just said,"I want this song played at my
funeral." Jim Steinman was agenius.
Do you want a dick joke at yourfuneral?
Sam (20:22):
Listen, People, lots of people want their funerals to be
a sort of a celebration of theirmemory.
Emma (20:31):
Mm-hmm.
you know,
Sam (20:33):
actually I saw an advert last night that was making me
think,'cause there's a chain offuneral directors here in the UK
doing an advert of like, talk tonow about what you want.
And I was, what would I want?
No, I wouldn't want Surf's Up.
But, there is somebody, and thatis a much more extroverted
somebody than me who would findit fun to play a song about dick
(20:53):
jokes at their funeral.
Emma (20:56):
this YouTube viewer.
Yeah, indeed.
Martin Price 6 7 9 3 said, justsimply puts me in the best place
ever.
This song makes me want to dobetter.
Just imagine singing this songat your best mate's wedding or
something similar without themknowing the gift you have been
given.
(21:16):
Am I going sing it?
Loud and proud, Rory.
Love you, Jim.
Sam (21:22):
Are we going mad Emma?
I
Emma (21:24):
can only think we might be are.
Sam (21:26):
Please tell me the comments were full of hurr hur boner
jokes.
Emma (21:31):
There was a couple of her, her boner.
Sam (21:32):
Okay, good.
We're not
Emma (21:33):
alone, but, but there was a lot of this kind of mawkish
shit inappropriately mor hisshit
Sam (21:41):
Have we gone mad?
This song is definitely a fiveminute dick joke.
Yeah, please do.
Please do that as no chat out ofhell@gmail.com.
Surf up
Emma (21:48):
Surf's up and so am I.
How hard.
It's a dick I don't wanna singthis at somebody's wedding.
Sam (21:55):
Oh God.
At somebody's
Emma (21:57):
I don't really wanna sing anything at people's weddings.
Sam (21:59):
is weird.
Emma (22:01):
Meat Loaf's version jedi, UK said,"this song is just
absolute love and lust andlonging that is quintessentially
the male condition.
A desperate, burning, fleetingyearning that totally consumes
you and saturates every feeling,thought and instinct.
God knows where it goes after,but that internal raging tide is
(22:25):
all encompassing when itthreatens to break against the
cliff face."
Sam (22:30):
And if having an erection gives you a desperate burning,
please do contact a doctor.
Is it time to rate
Emma (22:38):
this song,
Sam (22:38):
It's Okay.
So we are using our traditionalartisan handcrafted Jim Steinman
song rating scale.
So that runs from Jim Steinmanat the top for his finest of
works to Jim Fineman in themiddle for his averagest of
works all the way down to JimDeclineman for the bad and or
(22:59):
sexist songs that he sometimesdid.
But Emma, what's this?
What is this?
Emma (23:06):
What is it?
I
Sam (23:07):
love it.
But I also love Rock and RollMercenaries and we both agreed
that was
Emma (23:11):
shit.
I don't think it's as shit asrock
Sam (23:16):
and roll.
Oh, it's absolutely, listen,it's, it's either a Steinman or
a Fineman.
But it's dancing on that border.
Emma (23:22):
I think it might be a Steinman, you know?
Oh, Because it's just a big,funny dick joke in an over the
top romantic way.
Sam (23:31):
It's a lot of the things that we look for in a Jim song,
isn't
Emma (23:34):
it?
It is.
It does tick a lot of
Sam (23:36):
and, uh, both versions are
Emma (23:38):
Boxes
Sam (23:45):
grow up, Jim Steinman's, bat Out of Hell.
You took the words outta mymouth.
It's all coming back to me now.
Paradise by dashboard light, I'ddo anything for.
Love.
Everything louder thaneverything else.
Rock and roll dreams comethrough.
Original sin, total eclipse ofthe heart.
Life is a lemon.
Oh, it's definitely better thanlife is a lemon.
(24:06):
It is.
It's a Jim Steinman.
This is a Gem Diamond Steinman.
Emma (24:10):
Woo.
Sam, what have you brought to
Sam (24:16):
Emma?
I have brought, a song that Iguarantee only the most hardcore
of Meat Loaf fans in ouraudience have listened to, and
that is Masculine from the albumBlind Before I Stop.
Emma (24:27):
Ooh, this sounds like it will be really good.
Sam (24:30):
Let's find out.
We've just listened to Masculineby Meat Loaf, and I'd like to
(24:53):
apologize to Emma for exposingher to that much testosterone.
Emma (24:57):
Whew.
Sam (24:58):
I know
Emma (24:59):
It reeks
Sam (25:03):
What do you think of that?
You've never listened to thatone at all,
Emma (25:05):
Never heard that.
Yeah.
And it feels unlikely that Iwill ever hear it again.
My goodness.
If a song had a stench, thenthat would be teenage boys'
bedroom or maybe like boys'locker room at school.
Sam (25:22):
Lynx Africa
Emma (25:23):
Lynx Africa
Sam (25:25):
The song had a stench.
Emma (25:27):
That song definitely has a When you think, you know this
song.
that Meat Loaf obviously decidedto record at some point.
It was written for him.
As most of his songs were hedecided that this is definitely
one that he wanted to record.
Compare this to any of the JimSteinman works, and it's just so
weird.
(25:47):
A strange
Sam (25:48):
It's, uh, well, dad's choice.
We're in the realms of, BlindBefore I Stop.
Yeah.
Which is also where Rock andRoll Mercenaries came from.
Yes.
We're in the era of I don't needsongs, I don't need lyrics.
I've got big
Emma (26:02):
Yeah.
It's a time of poor decisions,isn't it?
Sam (26:06):
I don't know.
Right now he's following theeighties of big guitars and
lyrics.
I'm imagining a shoulder pad.
Obviously there was no video.
But,
Emma (26:15):
it definitely comes from the same universe as, rock and
roll
Sam (26:19):
Yeah.
Doesn't it?
Yeah.
It's very stupid.
Emma (26:22):
And it's very testosterone heavy.
Uh, so madly in the mostridiculous and rubbish of ways.
Sam (26:30):
Yes.
Well, I would say for a songcalled Masculine Uhhuh, I was
expecting worse, to be honest.
It is stupid in the same waythat, Hulk Hogan's theme is
stupid, and Real American, theother Hulk Hogan theme is
stupid.
And that is because they comefrom the same writer.
(26:50):
It's that same, it's likewrestling.
It's so stupid.
It must be fake.
Emma (26:57):
It's fake masculinity.
It's, it's a bit
Sam (27:00):
It's, it's a bit toxic, but it's also obviously a pantomime
to anybody who
Emma (27:04):
Who's a teenage boy.
Yes.
Sam (27:06):
Which, you know, the modern pantomime to everybody who isn't
a teenage boy is much moredamaging.
But we're not at that.
We're just a silly song aboutbeing masculine.
Emma (27:18):
I like the, I like the The answer Phone message at the
beginning.
Sam (27:20):
Yes.
It opens with an old lady with athick New Jersey accent calling
to complain about the noise andsaying she's gonna ring the cops
if you don't stop rocking out.
Emma (27:31):
Can you imagine rocking out to this song though?
you know me, I enjoy a bit of arock
Sam (27:37):
out.
I have witnessed you rock out onat least three occasions.
When it's times get tough.
I'm masculine.
When she wants to play rough.
I'm
Emma (27:48):
Ugh.
Sam (27:49):
anytime, any place anyway, in the heat of the night and the
dark of the day.
When it's time to get tough.
I'm masculine.
When she wants to make love.
I'm masculine.
Emma (28:01):
Oh
Sam (28:02):
God.
That's most of the song.
There are a couple of verses atthe beginning, one of which
contains an utterly horrifyinglyric The girl's so deep inside,
like blood in my veins, neverlets me hide.
Now I'm going insane.
It makes me climb the walls,bite my nails to the bone.
It's always by my side.
It never leaves me alone." Bitemy nails to the bone.
(28:24):
To the bone, Emma.
That's genuine body horror.
Yeah.
Stuff., I'm so masculine.
I've bitten off the end of myfinger.
Emma (28:38):
Oh, like it, Sam.
Okay.
Sam (28:40):
I Don't like it.
Okay.
Sorry.
Emma, would you like to learnabout Rick Derringer, writer of
this song?
Emma (28:46):
Probably,
Sam (28:47):
um, we'll see.
Emma (28:48):
Yeah.
Sam (28:49):
He was born, in the 1940s in Ohio.
His birth name was Richard DeanZehringer.
Had an early hit with his band,the McCoys, singing a song
called Hang on Sloopy.
I'm assuming you don't know thatone?
This is 1965.
Soundtrack (29:12):
Hey,
Sam (29:19):
Quite an influential song in, US Garage Rock
Emma (29:22):
Okay.
So it was
Sam (29:24):
After release of this song, he changed his name from
Zehringer to Derringer.
Mm-hmm.
Slightly more Anglicized versionyeah.
But also Derringer is a type ofgun.
Yeah.
Emma (29:33):
Yeah.
Sam (29:34):
Albeit a small gun you can put in a handbag.
He's, quite a big guitarist allover the place.
He's played with loads of names,some of which have cropped up
before.
He played with Johnny Winter andthen his brother Edgar Winter.
Mm-hmm.
And you'll remember Edgar Winteras the man who invented the key
guitar.
Emma (29:50):
Of course.
Sam (29:51):
Under his own name and with bands that he's led, he's
released something 30 albums.
Wow.
He joined Steinman and hislittle crew of session musicians
via Todd Rundgren, who was hisneighbour.
Emma (30:06):
Do you think they, he went round and knocked on his door.
Do you want to come out andplay?
Sam (30:09):
Alright, Mrs.
Rundgren, can you
Emma (30:10):
Todd Go out.
Sam (30:12):
He played on some of Todd's albums and then he met Meat and
Jim through that.
Yeah.
Of interest to the podcast, hewas lead guitar on Making Love
Out Of Nothing at All.
As discussed last week, totalTotal Eclipse Barbara
Streisand's version of Left inthe Dark, which we've yet to
talk about.
Cyndi Lauper was a good friend.
He played on the True Coloursalbum, not on the song True
(30:32):
Colours, he played with Weird AlWow.
He produced Weird Al's first sixalbums, and he played on the,
song.
Eat It,
Emma (30:41):
Which is the Beat
Sam (30:42):
It.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And Fat, which was a, Badparody.
So both the Michael Jacksonparodies, Weird Al was also a
good friend.
He posted warm Rick went downthe same route as Meat Loaf in
his later life.
Rick, became, an evangelicalChristian self-described Jesus
freak, but also big into rightwing conservative politics.
(31:06):
Yeah.
In a way that gives us the ick.
Um, but he also rerecorded the,so the Hulk Hogan theme, Real
American that he wrote, heupdated the lyrics on it to be
more inclusive in 2017.
Yeah.
So, the lyrics changed from,"Igotta be a man.
I can't let it slide" to,"Igotta lend a hand.
(31:27):
I can't let it slide.
Emma (31:29):
And
Sam (31:30):
for the right of every man became fight for the rights of
everyone.
Real American's interestingbecause he always wanted it to
be more than, the theme to awrestler running around
pretending to hit guys.
Yeah.
And it did become that it's beenused several times by
politicians on both sides of theaisle in campaign stuff, which
delighted him, no matter whoused it.
So Hillary Clinton used it aspart of her first presidential
(31:53):
bid in I think 2008.
When Obama released his birthcertificate to shut the stupid
birther
Emma (32:01):
up.
Yeah.
He
Sam (32:02):
the song Real American.
And of course, the bad, horribleones have used it as well.
Of course they have.
But, he had this desire thatthis would be kind of the new
national anthem.
Oh, it's ly naive and weird.
And, I'm sorry, Americans, yourbrand of patriotism is
particularly baffling to thoseof us from outside.
(32:22):
But it's, it is a huge instanceof that.
Yeah.
Um, so yeah, it's very odd.
Emma (32:30):
Sounds like a complicated
Sam (32:32):
A complicated man,
Emma (32:33):
especially when he's being masculine,
Sam (32:36):
yeah.
Rick wrote this song for MeatLoaf, Rick, the, guitar playing
legend.
Didn't bother playing guitar onthe song.
No, no.
The guitar on this was by Peterer, who was a fairly well known
session in Germany.
He's not well known enough inthe English speaking world to
have an English Wikipedia entry.
Right.
That's Rick Derringer for you.
(32:57):
Interesting chap.
Yeah.
He, um, he is very well regardedin guitar circles and like I
say, he's played with absolutelytons of bands.
He's a Grafter.
But Emma, it's time for thequiz.
Emma (33:10):
My favorite bit.
Sam (33:13):
he's released so many albums, but which one of these
is not the name of an album thathe's released either under his
name or one of his bands?
A Guitars and Women b.
Hey Mac, or C if I Weren't soRomantic, I'd Shoot You.
Emma (33:35):
Well, Hey Mac feels like a trick, but the first one.
The first one, what
Sam (33:39):
that Guitars and Women.
Emma (33:40):
Guitars that's a terrible name for which makes me think
you didn't make it
Sam (33:47):
up.
Emma (33:49):
So
Sam (33:50):
thank you.
Emma (33:51):
I, oh, I never get these right, and it's, it's starting
to, starting to have an effect.
Dread this bit.
Now you talk
Sam (34:01):
about this at therapy?
I got it again.
Emma (34:04):
He tricked me again.
How am I gonna get over thisthis time?
I know it's not important that Iwin everything, but it's
important that I win everything.
Sam (34:12):
Even an obviously rigged quiz,
Emma (34:15):
Right, I'm gonna say that Hey.
I know.
No.
'cause that feels like it wastoo obvious as well.
Oh, you got into my head, Sam.
No sleep for me tonight.
I'm gonna say, Hey, Mac is theone that he didn't do.
Sam (34:33):
Well done.
Yeah.
Hey, Mac is half of a lyric fromMacarena.
Of course.
Hey, Macarena.
So
Emma (34:40):
did make it simple.
Sam (34:41):
I did.
And I knew that you would dothat.
Emma (34:45):
I hate you.
I hate you.
Sam (34:48):
Well done Emma.
Emma (34:49):
Thanks.
Sam (34:50):
You've got a point, I think got a point.
I think you've got two points,this series, that's which beats
your all time series record by,by two points.
Do you wanna hear what thepeople of the internet think?
do.
At Brian XU nine D one, I'vebeen a huge Meat Loaf fan since
1977, but this song sucks.
Emma (35:11):
He's not wrong.
Sam (35:11):
He's not wrong.
He's not wrong.
Basically all there is to sayabout it.
Emma (35:14):
Yep.
Sam (35:14):
We're gonna apply our special Meat Loaf song rating
scale to this song, which startswith Marvin Lee Aday at the top
to Marvin Lee Okay in themiddle, all the way down to
Marvin Lee No Way.
Emma, what's this?
Emma (35:30):
it's a no no way.
isn't it?
Sam (35:32):
not offensive.
It's just bad.
It is just bad.
There's nothing to recommend.
There's nothing that makes mesay
Emma (35:39):
it's not even like so bad.
It's good.
Sam (35:42):
Right?
It's not that like rock and rollmercenaries.
is just nothing.
It is just four minutes on a cd.
Yeah.
Um, filler.
So this is a Marvin Lee.
No.
No way.
Emma (36:01):
Good.
Sam (36:02):
so that's our songs this episode.
But what did you think aboutthem?
Did you agree with us?
Did you disagree?
Do you wanna rate that last songhigher?
No, are wrong.
Drop us a line at chat out ofhell@gmail.com.
Like these people have.
Why don't we hear what thepeople of the people of the
internet, specifically thepeople of the internet who
listen to our podcast have tosay in general.
(36:22):
We forgot to do email last week'cause we were quite tired
Claire Muncaster has been backin touch.
Hey.
Hi Claire.
Hi Claire.
We talked, a little while ago asong that had Justin Hawkins out
of off of the Darkness on Yeah.
Claire has discovered that hehas his own podcast.
Justin Hawkins rides again.
Ooh,
Emma (36:38):
Ooh.
Sam (36:40):
Claire says.
I had the biggest crush on himback in the day.
Can we induct him into theLoafverse too?
I don't know if those two thingsare linked.
But yeah, he's a bonafide memberof the
Emma (36:53):
Loafverse.
Yeah.
He's done writings and that, andperformances on, various Meat
Loaf
Sam (36:57):
Yeah.
We need to dive further intoHang Cool Teddy Bear, is the
album that he was on.
Claire does suggest chat out ofhell rides again C-O-O-H-R-A Ra
Emma (37:09):
rah.
Sam (37:09):
Uh, can Sam get his voice that high as high as one of the
most famous falsetto singers inthe 21st century British rock
cannon?
No.
Get your hands off of themotherfucker.
Speaking of toxic
Emma (37:30):
masculinity,
Sam (37:32):
Emma, next time we're gonna dive into the recommendations
bag from our listeners to markthe end of the series.
Right.
so what are you gonna bring,
Emma (37:46):
As
Sam (37:47):
Wonderful.
And I am gonna go to a requestfrom Tom Woffendon several
series ago, I think.
So it's about time we picked itup, Kickapoo from the Tenacious
D film soundtrack, and that isby Meat Loaf, you know, Meat
Loaf, that guy that we like.
Let us know what you think aboutthose.
Chat out of help@gmail.com.
(38:08):
And then this email is fromKathryn Richards.
Dunno, dunno.
Don't dox my wife.
Hello team.
I've just started listening toyour podcast and recently
finished your episode about Rockand Roll Mercenaries.
watched the music video on mutewhile listening.
Good call, and observed thatMeat Loaf looks like he was
(38:28):
playing Guitar Hero in a bedsit.
Emma (38:30):
Seat.
Thank you, Kat.
That's very, very
Sam (38:36):
It's very apt.
Yeah., You know how Jim couldn'tdrive or ride a motorbike?
Do we know if Meat couldactually play the guitar?
Emma (38:46):
I think he could.
But we need to, clarify.
Is there any
Sam (38:50):
of skill, I guess.
Emma (38:52):
Yeah.
Sam (38:53):
Meat Loaf and guitars are inexorably linked in the mind.
But I, I'm wondering if that'sjust the power suggestion
Emma (39:01):
It could be
Sam (39:02):
A few of our listeners have seen me.
You've seen Meat Loaf
Emma (39:04):
Live.
Sam (39:04):
Yes.
Was he,
Emma (39:05):
Was he at times?
I think he had guitars.
Whether he was playing them ornot different
Sam (39:11):
Did he have,, one of them special lackeys who bring on,
another guitar when he bored ofthe color of this one?
Emma (39:16):
I think, I think there were lackeys that brought on
guitars.
Sam (39:19):
Listeners, I know a lot of you have seen Meat Loaf live.
Those of you who have, how ishis guitar playing?
Is he any better thanperfunctory?
Do let us know.
Chat out of hell@gmail.com.
Also, do you have a radioactivecat?
Can you confirm for us thatSurf's Up is indeed a dick joke?
Chat out of hell@gmail.com.
Let us know any general MeatLoaf thoughts or anecdotes.
(39:41):
Did you see Meat Loaf playingKabadi chat out of
hell@gmail.com.
Also, proper podcast.
Ask this all the time, we keepforgetting.
Um, us a favor and give us afive star review on your podcast
listening app of choice.
Recommend us to your friends.
If you are the sort of weirdothat listens to two dorks
(40:01):
chatting on about Meat Loaf,your friends are probably into
it as well.
Emma (40:04):
None of our friends are.
Sam (40:07):
Sure, sure.
Chat hell@gmail.com that youhave friends, go on, give us a
recommend, mention it.
Um, everybody listens topodcasts now I reckon it's
probably good I've not been on afirst date in.
15 years.
You are very similar, right?
Oh,
Emma (40:27):
even longer than that.
Mine's been like 17, 18 yearssince I was on a first
Sam (40:31):
So podcast basically didn't exist when Emma and I were last
single.
But any of you who are outdating, you probably have like,
oh, what?
What podcast do you listen to?
Mention chat out of hell.
It'll get you either to a seconddate or you weren't right
anyway, it's fine.
Let us know how those dates go.
chatoutofhell@gmail.com.
(40:52):
That's the end of the podcast.
Anything else to say, Emma?
Wonderful.
And it's all good from me.
Bow
Emma (41:04):
Chat out of hell will not get you
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