September 22, 2025 • 35 mins
We call back in to see what Diane Warren's been up to this episode, as we listen to the third of her Meat songs in Cry Over Me, before Sammy Hagar barges in with the hard-rockin' Amnesty is Granted. But during all that, we get to answer the big questions:
- How good a video can you make in four hours?
- What was the deal with Bat out of Hell III?
- Is A Very Merry Muppet Christmas any good?
PLUS some exposition about Mr. Blobby, a bit of nonsense about Bill and Ted and how much British people know about A Christmas Story (not really anything).
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Chat out of Hell is a is a review podcast: all music extracts are used for review/illustrative purposes. To hear the songs in full please buy them from your local record shop or streaming platform. Don't do a piracy.Music extracts on this episode:
Cry over Me by Meat Loaf from Bat out of Hell III: The Monster is Loose (2006)
Amnesty is Granted by Meat Loaf from Welcome to the Neighbourhood (1995)
Amnesty is Granted by Sammy Hagar from Marching to Mars (1997)
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Emma (00:00):
What is this?
Sam (00:01):
This, is Chat Out of Hell.
It's like when your teacher madeyou read a book and then tell
the class all about it.
Except the only books we readare about Meat Loaf and nobody's
making us except our own weirdneurochemistry.
Emma (00:13):
Who is Meat Loaf?
Sam (00:15):
Meat Loaf was a singer and actor who as a 16-year-old went
to see John F.
Kennedy arrive in Dallas Airporton November 22nd, 1963.
When wondering about how he andhis friends were allowed that
close, a nearby cop reassuredthem that nobody would get a gun
anywhere near the president,which was technically true.
(00:35):
Who is Jim Steinman?
Emma (00:37):
Jim Steinman was a long time collaborator with Meat
Loaf.
They had an on again, off againkind of bromance.
Meat Loaf first met him at anaudition where Jim was the only
person in the room.
He later said,"now that I knowSteinman really well, I know why
he was the only one in the room.
He doesn't like anyone toviolate his space.
Sam (00:57):
Nobody wanted to be near him.
Who are we?
Emma (01:02):
We are Emma Crossland and Sam Wilkinson.
Comedians and hosts of thispodcast who have been described
as humorous, but lazy in theirapproach.
Sam (01:10):
By whom?
Emma (01:11):
The internet
Sam (01:13):
was that Anthony?
Emma (01:14):
I don't know.
Sam (01:14):
Is that you?
We've settled this Anthony.
Emma (01:16):
Sam, Sam!.
Calm yourself.
Welcome to Chat Out of Hell.
ding.
Sam (01:24):
You know how you shouldn't read your reviews?
Yes.
You certainly shouldn't deliversomeone their reviews directly
before they do a show.
Emma (01:33):
Sorry, Sam.
Sam (01:34):
It's all right, Emma.
Emma (01:35):
Hey, Sam, how are you doing?
Sam (01:38):
I'm all right.
Thanks, pal.
How are you?
Emma (01:40):
Yeah.
All right.
Sam (01:41):
Good, Good.
Any, uh, pod worthy stuff tomention in your life?
Emma (01:45):
Nope.
Went dog sitting yesterday.
Nice.
Not dogging, that's different.
Dog sitting yesterday for myparents.
And their dog was so pleased tosee me it spent the entire day
laying in its basket facing thewall away from me.
As soon as my parents and theirfriends came home, it was
bouncing around like a lunatic.
(02:07):
So that was harsh judgment.
Sam (02:09):
I feel better about that other review
Emma (02:12):
now.
Sam (02:13):
So this is Chat Out of Hell, which is the fortnightly
in which we both listen to aMeat Loaf or Jim Steinman song
and then bring it back here forus both to talk about until
we're bored of talking about it.
And then we rate it on ourpatented Meat Loaf and or Jim
Steinman song rating scales.
So what have you brought thistime
Emma (02:32):
I've brought Amnesty Is Granted from Welcome to the
Neighbourhood.
What have you brought?
Sam (02:36):
I have brought Cry Over Me, which was on the Bat out of Hell
Three album in 2007.
And we're gonna start with thatone this time.
So listeners go away, find yourYouTubes or your Spotifys or
your bats.
Emma (02:49):
Does, this one have a video?
Sam (02:50):
It does have a video, Emma.
It is rubbish.
But regardless, you can find avideo for it on YouTube if you
so choose.
Otherwise, I'll give you a twosentence summary of it, which
will basically do the same job.
Either way, listeners, we'regonna go listen to it and we'll
be right back
Soundtrack (03:05):
I want you to cry.
Die over me.
Even a moment.
Sam (03:12):
Poor, sad Meat Loaf.
That was Cry Over Me from Batout of Hell Three, The Monster
is Loose, released 7th of May,2007.
Went to number 47 in the UKcharts.
Gosh,
Emma (03:25):
Gosh, it did that well,
Sam (03:26):
did that well and did not chart anywhere else.
Opinions.
Emma (03:29):
Oh God.
I think if.
Emma from the early twothousands.
So teenage Emma had heard this,it would've been the soundtrack
to a couple of breakups.
That does not mean I condoneIt's pretty dull.
It's a breakup song and it'slike, I want you to be as sad as
(03:50):
I am.
Sam (03:51):
It's a heartbreak song.
Written by our old pal, DianeWarren.
Emma (03:55):
Ah, it does have flavors
Sam (03:56):
it's got flavors of the Diane Warren.
Yeah.
This is the third of six songsof hers that Meat Loaf recorded.
so far we've covered Not a DryEye in the
Emma (04:04):
house, Uhhuh, which is another heartbreak song,
Sam (04:06):
it's another heartbreak song.
It is another heartbreak song,but that's more of a big
theatrical heartbreak song.
Yeah.
This is a, oh I'm so sad.
this is a moper, isn't it?
I'd Lie for You and That's theTruth.
Not a Dry Eye and I'd Lie ForYou are both Steinman
impressions.
You could not describe this as aSteinman impression.
Emma (04:23):
No.
No you really couldn't.
Sam (04:24):
The other songs she's written for him, If This is The
last kiss brackets, Let's Makeit Last All Night.
Emma (04:30):
is from Welcome to the Neighbourhood.
Sam (04:32):
It is.
And I Was Wrong from, Couldn'thave Said It Better and Unsaid,
which is a B side from thatalbum.
Diane Warren said of Meat Loafthat"he transformed a song into
a larger than life thing.
I think that's what made himsuch a great performer and
artist is that when he sang asong, he acted a song." That's
just what he said as well.
It is.,"it wasn't just singingnotes and words.
(04:52):
He got into character.
You could feel that." And thecharacter that Meat Loaf played
in this song was slightly mopeysad man.
"God, how lucky was I to haveMeat Loaf record six of my
songs?
What a gift.
You give them to somebody likeMeat Loaf and it's like, fuck
man.
Yes.
This is how that song's supposedto sound.
This song I wrote is now thisepic piece.
(05:12):
And that's what you'd get whenMeat Loaf would do a song you
wrote.
It was just an amazing gift fora songwriter." So that's how
this song is supposed to sound.
Emma (05:21):
Wow.
Sam (05:23):
you wanna talk about the video?
Emma (05:25):
I do.
Sam (05:25):
The video for people who didn't choose to watch it, Meat
Loaf stands remembering a ladyrun around near the sea while
displaying exactly as muchemotion on his face as he does
in the song.
A creepy man who looks exactlylike halfway between young Meat
Loaf and young Jim Steinman.
Emma (05:39):
It's so weird, isn't it?
Sam (05:41):
Spies on her for a bit and then somebody else runs over to
steal Meat's woman who wasn'teven his anyway, because she has
her own agency.
It ends on a single shot of someseabird sitting on a rock with
the feeling that they aren'tsupposed to be there.
You know, like how that StarWars film had to invent Porgs
because the island they werefilming on was full of puffins.
They kept coming to
Emma (06:01):
look at what was
Sam (06:03):
going on.
Oh, I didn't know that you notknow that?
That's adorable.
Yeah.
Porgs only exist because thepuffins wouldn't get out of the
way.
Emma (06:10):
Oh, puffins are brilliant.
Puffins
Sam (06:11):
puffins are brilliant.
Meat Loaf says this video tookfour hours to film.
Emma (06:16):
I can believe it.
Sam (06:17):
Oh, I thought somebody must have been slacking off.
Emma (06:19):
Do you wanna know what I said about the video?
Yes, please.
When I watched it earlier Isaid, the video reminds me of
something, an ambitious andmoody sixth form media student
would produce for theircoursework.
Sam (06:30):
It very much did have a student drama piece feel to it,
Emma (06:32):
I also said it was really underwhelming and that I miss
Michael Bay and his explosions.
Sam (06:38):
So what is with that guy who looks 50 50 between Meat
Loaf and Jim,
Emma (06:41):
did they have a baby?
Sam (06:44):
Who the fuck is that guy who keeps following?
Yeah.
Put him in the video.
It's fine.
Emma (06:48):
he is Jim Loafman, isn't
Sam (06:50):
Yeah, he is a very if you are the the 50 50 split between
Meat Loaf and Jim Steinman thatwas in that video, do let us
know.
Why were you there?
Emma (07:01):
did they find you?
Sam (07:01):
What's your deal?
Emma (07:04):
What's
Sam (07:04):
deal?
What's your deal, man?
This song is from the album BatOut of Hell Three.
Yeah.
The Monster is Loose.
Yes.
Which is a mess of an album.
Emma (07:16):
Well, it was supposed to be the next Meat Jim kind of
album, wasn't it?
And then Jim was never really onboard for it.
Sam (07:24):
Well, in the on again off again, bromance.
That is the Loafman life.
This is definitely an off againmoment.
During initial press for thisalbum, Meat Loaf said that Jim
was too ill to contribute Thereare seven songs written by Jim
on the album, but they're allfrom earlier projects.
A lot of'em are from Pandora'sBox or Batman the musical.
(07:47):
Jim didn't write anything newand Meat said it's'cause Jim was
too ill.
Meat Loaf said in an interviewwith Mick Wall, that was Jim
lying to Meat.
And then it comes down to a lotof legal wrangling over the
rights to the Bat, out of Hellname Another one of those things
where Meat Loaf at differentpoints says different things.
But a lot of the time he claimsthat he never sued Jim and Jim
(08:10):
never sued him, but theirrespective managements were
suing one another and it allgets very school playground.
Emma (08:17):
It sounds like the kind of thing that Meat Loaf would write
about extensively in hisautobiography.
Sam (08:21):
Almost certainly.
And that's why I've not turnedto it for reference because It's
okay.
Whatever he said in it, he'llhave changed his mind about that
a couple of years later, anyway.
Emma (08:31):
It was written before this album came out
Sam (08:33):
Oh, fair enough.
Meet said to Mick Wall, in hisbook, Like a Bat out of Hell
"they record companies andpeople tried to do welcome to
the Neighbourhood as Bat Three.
And I fought'em I said, no, thisis not a Bat out of Hell record.
It's a fine record and it's goodand you can put it out.
It's got songs on it that aregood, but it's not a Bat out of
(08:55):
Hell record.
There's something very differentabout Bat Out of Hell records.
They're just bigger.
They're renegades", renegades,According to some sources in
later years, Meat Loaf willregret applying the Bat out of
Hell name to this album becauseit isn't, it's just not on the
(09:15):
same level as one and two.
And there's some good songs onit, mostly stuff that Jim wrote
that he then reperformed, but itdoesn't have the same feel
either.
The opening track has new metalelements to it.
Emma (09:27):
Yeah, I've heard that.
It's weird, isn't it.
Sam (09:30):
Certainly not what I've come the Meat Loaf shop for.
So this album, instead of beingproduced by Jim, was produced by
Desmond Child.
Who is a name, I think he mayhave popped up already at some
point in our conversations.
Desmond's a busy old man.
So he produced all of this.
He's worked with Meat and withJim in the past.
He's got extensive songwritingcredits.
(09:52):
I Was Made for Loving You, I wasmade for lovin' you baby.
You Give Love a Bad Name, Livingon a Prayer.
Bad Medicine.
Dude Looks Like a Lady.
Just like Jesse James.
Living la vida Loca.
Poison, the Alice Cooper one.
How Can We be Lovers if we can'tbe friends?
(10:13):
And that's just the songs I'veheard of.
For Bonnie Tyler.
He wrote, if You Were a Woman,and I was a Man, which was on
Secret Dreams and ForbiddenFires, one of the Jim Steinman
albums.
And he also wrote Bonnie'sBelieve In Me, which she took to
Eurovision in 2013.
Which finished 19th.
Okay.
It's an all right ballad, butit's not remotely Eurovision.
(10:33):
And on the night, Bonniedelivered an adequate
performance and then, sure inthe knowledge of not having to
come back again, went off to thegreen room and got hammered.
Emma (10:42):
old Bonnie.
Sam (10:42):
Yep.
And he also wrote the songEveryone Matters on it's a Very
Merry Muppet Christmas movie.
Awww.
Emma (10:50):
Have
Sam (10:50):
you
Emma (10:50):
seen
Sam (10:50):
that one?
Emma (10:52):
Not that I remember.
I might have seen it,
Sam (10:54):
It's one from the Muppet Dark Ages.
Right before the revival.
In the mid sort of 2010s andafter Muppet Treasure Island and
Muppets from Space, it wasbasically, It's a Muppet
Wonderful Life.
Emma (11:07):
Oh
Sam (11:07):
Oh yeah.
But on an incredible made for TVbudget.
Emma (11:12):
It sounds
Sam (11:13):
Whoopi Goldberg plays God in it.
Emma (11:15):
Oh, wow.
Sam (11:16):
So yeah, Desmond is very much a musical stalwart who's
worked in all different genres.
He's written written songs forbillions of people.
And he produced the entirealbum.
Mick Wall Isn't a fan, He askswhether it was Desmond Child's
job to recognize that he wasworking on part three of a
trilogy and have a line that youcan trace from part one to part
two to part three.
(11:37):
Meat Loaf's response is,"yeah,you have to have that.
You need the line that you cantrace, but that can also be a
micro line."
Emma (11:44):
Oh wow.
Sam (11:48):
This is during the press tour for this record.
Emma (11:52):
feels like it was a hastily shoved together idea.
Sam (11:57):
It's yeah.
a money grab.
This is our Well, it does, butit's Meat Loaf was 58 when he
recorded this.
Emma (12:03):
Yeah.
Sam (12:04):
And no matter what you believe about the lawsuits, they
did happen.
Whether that was actuallybecause of Meat and Jim falling
out or because their managementsdicks.
Yeah.
Or both.
we've talked in the past aboutMeat's voice falling off a cliff
after this record.
Yeah.
This is his last chance torecord something genuinely good.
Yeah.
So I don't blame him for goingfor it.
And if Jim's not about or up forit, then get someone else.
(12:26):
Desmond does a, an adequate job,but it's just not a Jim Steinman
Emma (12:30):
no,
Sam (12:32):
This is our second dip into Bat out of Hell Three.
So we'll have plenty more to sayabout the Would you like to do a
quiz?
Emma (12:39):
no, But it's gonna happen, isn't
Sam (12:41):
it?
Would you like to do a quiz,Emma?
Emma (12:42):
Yes.
Sam, I'd like to do a quiz,please.
And thank
Sam (12:45):
Emma.
I've got three quotes for you.
One of them is not from a reviewof Bat out of Hell Three.
One.
Whoever decided it will be agood idea should be tarred and
feathered." Two.
A brightly lit mess." Three.
Has provoked anguishedcommentaries about just what he
(13:05):
stands for." for
Emma (13:08):
All of those could be about Mr.
Blobby.
Which one is
Sam (13:12):
that's the twisted web I weave
Emma (13:15):
Oh, i'm gonna say that a brightly lit mess is the one
that isn't about Meat Loaf.
Sam (13:21):
so far on this series, Emma, you are two nil up.
Emma (13:24):
Yeah,
Sam (13:26):
It's two one.
Emma (13:27):
Oh, no.
Mm-hmm.
Is it the one about what hestands for?
Sam (13:30):
That is indeed.
Oh
Emma (13:32):
Oh Oh.
I hate myself.
Sam (13:35):
Quote one, the full quote, whoever decided it would be a
good idea for Meat Loaf totackle new metal should be
tarred and feathered.
Quote two is just straightlifted from an Allmusic review
of Bat out of Hell Three, andquote three is from the New York
Times
Emma (13:48):
About Mr.
Blobby?
Sam (13:49):
In 1994,"Mr.
Blobby's rise to stardom hasprovoked anguished commentaries
about just what he stands for.
Some commentators have calledhim a metaphor for a nation gone
soft in the head.
Others have seen him as proof ofBritain's deep seated attraction
to trash."
Emma (14:06):
Wow.
Sam (14:07):
Yeah.
Mr.
Blobby went international,
Emma (14:10):
He did.
Sam (14:11):
Don't have a lot else to say on this one.
Emma (14:13):
Fair enough, shall we it then?
Sam (14:14):
Yeah.
Well, first of all, We'll turnto what the people of the
internet think.
And they don't have a lot to sayeither, so I've just got one for
you.
This is from at SCAT Pack 21.
Okay.
"RIP, old friend.
I'll roadie for you again on theother side." Aw.
I just want, no.
Oh, really?
I was gonna call out Scatpackfor a needless, humble brag.
Emma (14:37):
Just thought it was
Sam (14:40):
well, maybe I'm an arsehole.
Shall we rate this song Emma?
Emma (14:44):
Let's rate it.
Sam (14:45):
Okay.
So for this song, we are gonnause our patented Meat Loaf song
rating scale, which after theadjustment to our patent now
runs from Michael Lee Day at thetop to Michael Lee Okay.
In the middle, all the way downto Michael Lee No Way.
For the misogynistic and orhorrible songs what he'd done.
What's this?
Emma (15:06):
It's an Okay.
Sam (15:07):
It's a very bottom tier.
Okay.
But it is an okay.
Emma (15:10):
it can't be in no way because it's not
Sam (15:12):
It's not of No.
Emma (15:14):
it's not rubbish.
it's just,
Sam (15:16):
rubbish.
It's an okay song if I'velistened to it a few times in
the past week and, sing along toit, but I don't
Emma (15:22):
it'll be creeping onto any
Sam (15:23):
No.
I'm not gonna miss it when Idon't have to listen to it a
load anymore.
But it's not, yeah, it's aMichael Lee.
It's okay.
okay.
Okay.
Emma, what song did you bring?
Emma (15:38):
I have brought Amnesty is Granted, which is from the
Welcome to the Neighbourhoodalbum.
There's no video for this one,so go away and listen to it on
your device of choice.
Soundtrack (15:52):
Bess
Emma (15:56):
Amnesty is Granted from Welcome to the Neighbourhood,
Sam, any opinions from the Off?
Sam (16:01):
Well, it's better, isn't it?
It's more what we're here for.
I'm assuming it's not aSteinman.
Emma (16:05):
It isn't, no.
Sam (16:06):
no.
Emma (16:06):
It's by a guy called Sammy Hagar.
Sam (16:08):
It's by Sammy Hagar.
Yeah.
Ah,
Emma (16:10):
Off of a Van Halen
Sam (16:12):
out of off of the Van Halens
Emma (16:14):
1985 to 1996.
So the post David Lee Rothyears.
I think it's a bit of a banger.
It's one of my.
Top songs from that album.
And I've listened to it a lotover the years, so I quite
enjoyed this.
It's been a nice one for me.
Sam (16:29):
That's nice.
I did see you dancing along.
Emma (16:31):
I love it.
It's on the car
Sam (16:33):
singing along to even the ancillary side words.
Yeah.
Yeah.
One thing it does have in commonwith Steinman is is that it's
exactly two minutes too long.
Yes.
At four minutes there was areally good out point.
Yeah.
And they went, nah, let's have abit more, let's have a
Emma (16:47):
Let's just keep going.
Sam (16:48):
It's quite fun.
I enjoy it.
Who played on it?
Emma (16:50):
Sammy Hagar.
Sam (16:51):
Oh, Sammy Hagar was the
Emma (16:52):
guitar.
Yes.
And also did backing vocals.
Nice.
So it's, that's why it's got abit of a, an edge
Sam (16:57):
to I think.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Emma (16:59):
A rarity on that album, I feel.
Sammy Hagar was really heavilyinvolved in this one.
I've sent you A Linky link.
'Cause Hagar made it
Sam (17:09):
Oh, good.
So this is the originalrecording, is it?
Emma (17:11):
Meat Loaf is the original
Sam (17:12):
recording.
Right.
okay.
Sammy.
And then Sammy did his ownversion,
Soundtrack (17:21):
No one has to give
Emma (17:30):
So what did you think of that version?
Sam (17:32):
It was shorter.
Yes.
And yet I still felt itoutstayed its
Emma (17:35):
Yes
Sam (17:36):
Yes It's very wrapped up at a kind of post Nirvana sound,
late nineties
Emma (17:41):
It doesn't do it for me.
Sam (17:43):
No.
And I it.
There's something on the tip ofmy brain, which maybe listeners,
you'll get there before I do,that tell me now, tell it like
it is hook sounds so much likesome other song that I can't
quite remember.
Emma (17:57):
Yeah, I dunno.
Sam (17:58):
It,
Emma (17:58):
it sounds familiar, but I can't quite put finger on it.
Yeah.
So I just thought it was aninteresting
Sam (18:08):
Yeah.
Dunno.
But yes.
Emma (18:10):
Prefer the,
Sam (18:11):
from recording.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Emma (18:12):
Cause it's just got a lot of oomph to it.
Sam (18:14):
Yeah, I think the Sammy Hagar version.
Isn't stripped back enough toappeal to my folky.
That side of, oh, it's nevergonna be folky, yeah.
More stripped down tendencies,but it's not massive enough.
they've, I was thinking aboutthe John Lewis ad.
Yeah.
It's not slow enough to be theJohn Lewis ad.
(18:35):
But they've not turned up enoughdials to Meat Loaf it or Spinal
Tap it.
Yeah.
Emma (18:40):
Yeah.
I'm
Sam (18:40):
talking about turning up dials.
'cause YouTube ran an advd forspinal tap
Emma (18:44):
know.
Sam (18:44):
watching
Emma (18:45):
That's
Sam (18:46):
for the listeners, not for you.
Emma (18:48):
I thought that advert was more on brand than any of the
other ones.
Sam (18:50):
Yeah, mostly when I play us videos off YouTube, we get stuff
like, well, there was an advertfor the Norwegian neck pillow
before before the preview
Emma (18:59):
more on brand for you.
Sam (19:00):
Yes.
It's but just to remind youguys, Spinal Tap Two's coming
out, is it gonna be rubbish?
I bet it will.
Emma (19:07):
are we gonna go and see it anyway?
Probably.
So a bit about the songaccording to Hagar's
autobiography, he wrote the songabout being able to be with his
newfound love away from hisex-wife, Betsy.
So, for him it feels like it's asong of optimism and leaving not
so great relationship.
(19:28):
Far Out Magazine wrote anarticle called Amnesty is
Granted (19:32):
The Lost Van Halen Song Written by Sammy Hagar.
They've said"it's a cry fortogetherness, even amid complete
disdain and despair" regardingHagar's feelings for being
pushed out of Van Halen.
So there's a lot to do with thatin this article.
And then it quotes the lyrics,"time ticks away, it drifts
away," and it says here"leavingempty, shattered moments".
(19:55):
But I don't think that's thecorrect lyric.
'Cause when I was listening tothe Meat Loaf version it's not
shattered moments and otherlyric sites quote it as being
sandy shoulders leaving empty.
Sandy, should sandy Yep.
Sam (20:09):
think I was in school with him.
I
Emma (20:15):
Anyway, that's just an aside.
time ticks away.
It drifts away, leaving empty,shattered moments.
Who said that love could lastforever?
I'm growing tired of feelinglike I do.' Evidently the song
tapped into Hagar's experienceswith a loss love and himself
while in the band, even if itwas released as a solo piece"
Sam (20:33):
Interesting contextualizing it in the sort of loss of
working in Van Halen.
Meat Loaf and Sammy Hagar bothmourning Creative partnerships
that they're no longer in.
Emma (20:45):
Indeed.
Yeah.
It does feel a bit that way.
But I too have Mick Wall's book,Like a Bat Out of Hell.
And Mick's not very kind aboutthis song.
Sam (20:56):
Mick is very into Steinman and Loaf stuff as are we.
But I think we're a bit moreforgiving sometimes of Meat's
solo stuff.
Not always.
A lot of it is rubbish.
But
Emma (21:07):
would you like to hear the Mick wall quote that"Six minutes
of guitar wank that Van Halenwouldn't have used as a B side."
I think's a little harsh.
Sam (21:17):
it's a little harsh.
It's a bit much, it does remindus that Mick Wall is ultimately
a music reviewer Yeah.
Emma (21:23):
Yeah.
Sam (21:24):
Of the sort that we have discussed in the past.
That we both used to be and thencouldn't make money out of it.
Yeah.
The worst people to talk toabout music are music reviewers.
Yes.
Emma (21:39):
Ha.
Sam (21:40):
Whereas podcast music comedians
Emma (21:43):
we're just lazy.
Sam (21:44):
well, lazy podcast music.
Yeah.
We won't have a wholeconversation with you.
Emma (21:47):
Nope.
The Sammy Hagar release came in1997 on his album, Marching to
Mars whereas the Meat Loafversion came out in 95.
So, I feel like you are rightwhen you say that, Hagar's
version sounds more likenineties
Sam (22:06):
late nineties grungy.
Emma (22:07):
It's fine.
Sam (22:08):
Yeah, it's fine.
It's, do it for me.
If that was the version thatyou'd brought for the review.
neither of us would have anydiscussion about the rating.
It would be bottom of the
Emma (22:17):
barrel.
Yeah.
Sam (22:17):
Yeah.
Emma (22:17):
Middle of the road.
Middle of the road.
Sam (22:18):
of the road.
Yeah.
Emma (22:20):
There's not a right lot to say about it.
This was never a single.
So it didn't hit like the criticpress or anything like that
particularly.
The people of the internet don'thave very much to say but there
is one comment that occurred afew times and if you think back
to the intro of the song MeatLoaf's version you can play it
if you like.
Sam (22:38):
I'm just Is full of biddly guitar.
Emma (22:43):
shredding guitar.
But this isn't the bit I'm gonnatalk about.
Keep going.
Sam (22:47):
That bit is like in Bill and Ted when they're rubbish and
then Rufus comes and jams withthem and he's an amazing
guitarist.
Emma (22:55):
Still not that bit.
Sam (22:59):
Yeah.
But can we talk about Bill and
Emma (23:01):
Ted?
That's for another day, Sam.
This bit Okay.
Can stop now.
The people of the internet saidneeds more cowbell.
Sam (23:15):
Oh, okay.
Emma (23:16):
That was all they've said.
literally all.
That's it.
Sam (23:20):
Yeah.
The people of the internet don'toften have opinions on album
tracks.
No.
They leave it to us.
Emma (23:25):
So what are our opinions then?
Sam (23:27):
Is it time to rate this be.
Okay.
Well, we are back to our MeatLoaf song rating scale, which
Emma, as you know, runs fromMichael Lee Aday to Michael Lee
Okay, down to Michael Lee NoWay.
This is gonna be a tricky one.
Emma (23:41):
is, Isn't it?
Sam (23:42):
so we can discard No Way.
Emma (23:43):
Yeah.
It's definitely not a No Way.
'cause at no point is anybodygonna be offended.
And also it's not rubbish.
Is it top end Okay.
Or bottom end Aday?
Sam (23:56):
Shall I check the spreadsheet for what else made
it to the hallowed halls of Aday
Emma (24:00):
Yeah.
Because I know how I feel about'Cause this album came out in
95.
It was of course part of myyouth.
Sam (24:09):
Oh, is there a Meat Loaf memory?
Emma (24:13):
It's not a specific memory.
But definitely Teenage Emmalistened to this lot during
breakups and thought
Sam (24:20):
about what it would be like to break up with someone and
then immediately have somebodyelse that they were going back
Yeah.
Emma (24:28):
I think I particularly enjoyed the line the lines about
love lasting forever.
Who said that love would lastforever sulked Emma.
Sam (24:39):
I can't wait till I'm old enough to feel ways about stuff.
Yeah.
Adays so far (24:44):
Martha was an Aday for me, but not for you.
Uhhuh.
I'd Lie For You and That's theTruth.
Couldn't Have Said it Better.
California Isn't Big Enough,
Emma (24:53):
which is a brilliant song.
Sam (24:56):
Thank you to, I think it was Stephanie recommended
California Isn't Big Enough.
Emma is now obsessed
Emma (25:01):
It's changed my life.
If I'm ever able to choose walkon music for a gig again.
Sam (25:07):
Okay.
In purely musical terms uh, thissong is better than California
isn't Big Enough.
But half the songs we've ratedOkay are better songs than
California isn't Big Enough.
Emma (25:20):
California isn't big enough is up.
Therefore, we were both inagreement.
We And I think We still are.
Sam (25:26):
If it wasn't about
Emma (25:27):
if it wasn't about it
Sam (25:28):
an Aday, but
Emma (25:29):
it's about
Sam (25:31):
Uh, but Emma is this song about dicks.
Emma (25:34):
It's not about dicks.
But for me it's an Aday
Sam (25:38):
I think it's an Aday as well.
It's definitely a step above thesort stuff that we've rated as.
Okay.
Yeah.
Modern Girl, Running for the RedLight, Tear Me Down.
Yeah.
It's above that sort of stuff.
So yeah.
This is a Michael Lee Aday.
Yay.
Ding, Ding, ding, ding, ding,ding, ding, Ding.
Emma (25:57):
Lovely
Sam (25:58):
So that was our songs this episode.
What did you think about thosesongs?
Do you agree with our ratings?
Do you think we're idiots?
Are we lazy?
I don't know why I'm stuck onthat.
It's, it was a good review.
It
Emma (26:08):
let it go some, let it go.
Sam (26:10):
don't do that to a brain.
Like, you know, I've got thething.
It's alright.
I've now given myself the thingas well.
Yeah.
Do you agree with our ratings?
Do you have anything to add?
chatoutofhell@gmail.com likethese people have done.
Woo, RL Gray's been in touch.
Hi RL Hi RL Thanks for tuning inon your big radio.
(26:36):
RL has given us some kind words,which I will skip over, but
thank you very much.
A few notes on our first episodethis series"as an incurable
pendant, I will be remiss in notpointing out that the notice
usually posted on rear viewmirrors, at least in the US is
objects in mirror are closerthan they appear.' Maybe
Steinman was doing a playfulreversal to indicate that no
matter how far back in the pastevents get, they can still feel
(26:57):
painfully recent." Yeah, that'strue.
I think we did talk about thatand then I cut it.
Emma (27:01):
I know I spent quite a long time looking for a
photograph of a
Sam (27:04):
Yes, yes.
I So RL (27:05):
it's only in the US and one of the big pauses we took
when we were recording thatepisode was me trying to
research what awful court casemust have resulted in American
cars having to display thisnotice.
'cause everybody else just hasmirrors and we look in them.
Emma (27:22):
Yeah.
We're, We're fine with
Sam (27:23):
it.
But yeah, dunno why that is, butyes, you're absolutely right.
RL it, is playing with thephrase and inverting RL goes on
"besides playing Meat's fatherin the Objects video, Robert
Patrick has also played thefathers of Johnny Cash in Walk
the Line and Elvis Presley inthe 2005 miniseries Elvis.
So he built a sort of minicareer of playing famous
(27:43):
musicians' fathers, I guess"That's interesting, RL.
But as an incurable pendant, Iwill be remiss in not pointing
out back to you that RobertPatrick didn't play Meat Loaf's
father in the video, he playedKenny's father.
I don't, I know that wasdelivered so smugly and I'm
really sorry, RL.
Emma (28:01):
Thank
Sam (28:01):
you for writing in.
Emma (28:02):
You are beaming with
Sam (28:04):
I am, I am, I'm really sorry about.
Yeah, RL confirms thanks toDoctor Who and such, I'm enough
of an Anglophile to just aboutknow who Mr.
Blobby is." I don't remember Mr.
Blobby in Doctor Who
Emma (28:17):
but Commiserations anyway.
Yes.
on your Mr.
Blobby knowledge.
Sam (28:21):
you.
God,
Emma (28:22):
gosh,
Sam (28:22):
we get into some Mr.
Blobby chat?
Emma (28:24):
If we have to.
Sam (28:25):
Did you ever see or meet Mr.
Blobby
Emma (28:28):
No.
Did you?
you?
met Mr.
Blobby.
I did Was it all you hoped itwould be?
I dunno why I'm being mean aboutthis because I, as a 41-year-old
woman, get genuinely excitedabout the prospect of meeting
people like Mickey, Matt people,
Sam (28:43):
people like the man inside the Mickey Mouse, costume
Emma (28:47):
characters like Mickey.
Well, so,
Sam (28:49):
so I very quick, Mr.
Blobby explainer for people whodon't have a clue, he started
out as a joke character on aSaturday night entertainment
show who was like an over thetop piss take of the stupidest
version of what a kid'scharacter could be.
And then kids loved him anyway.
And I was one of those kids,
Emma (29:08):
as was I at the
Sam (29:10):
as was I at the time.
Yeah.
so the show was called Noel'sHouse Party.
It was a sort of Saturday nightlight entertainment show.
There was music and prankspeople could
Emma (29:19):
Edmonds
Sam (29:20):
A man called Noel Edmonds, who we don't have time to get
Emma (29:23):
but google him.
Sam (29:24):
crikey.
that.
But that span out into a seriesof live events called Noel's
Garden Party.
Emma (29:30):
Did you go to a
Sam (29:30):
garden party?
We, I went to a Noel's gardenparty.
Oh.
There is a beautiful photo in mymum's house of my brother stood
in front of a, I guess a pickuptruck with Mr.
Blobby stood in the back of itwaving like the Popemobile.
Emma (29:48):
Amazing.
Sam (29:49):
I also got the autograph of disgraced Blue Peter presenter,
John Leslie,
Emma (29:53):
my Amazing.
Yeah.
Sam (29:57):
So thanks RL.
Emma (29:58):
Sam, hang on.
I'm not finished here.
What was Blobby like in person?
Sam (30:01):
Oh my God.
Emma (30:02):
it everything you hoped?
Sam (30:03):
He was surprisingly down to earth and very funny
Emma (30:07):
Would you say witty, erudite.
Right,
Sam (30:13):
It was like when um, you know, sometimes when you look
into the eyes of a, of a, abeloved family pet.
Yeah.
And you see a soul back
Emma (30:23):
you A depth that you
Sam (30:24):
uhhuh.
Emma (30:25):
you and a connection.
Sam (30:27):
Exactly.
Exactly.
It was like that except his eyeswere stuck on and made of
plastic.
'cause they were big googly eyesand he went"blobby blobby
blobby".
I don't really remember meetinghim.
We just have the photo evidence.
Emma (30:40):
I'd love to see the photos.
Sam (30:42):
I'm not in them, it's just my brother.
Also that day there were somemen.
The only memory I have of thatday is getting John Leslie's
autograph, which I still havesomewhere, I think.
Brilliant.
Yeah.
That'll be worth something oneday.
And there were people givingaway free packets of crisps.
And at the end of the day, as wewere leaving again I saw two of
(31:03):
them stood together, like rightnext to each other, chatting.
And I barged straight betweenthe two of them to see if I'd
get any more crisps.
And they had no more crisps toAnd my mum told me off of being
rude, which was fair enough.
Yeah.
Lovely day out.
I recommend it.
Noel's Garden party, 1994.
Check it out.
Emma (31:21):
Did you ever visit the Crinkly Bottom theme park?
Sam (31:24):
No.
And I You know what?
Let's just leave that threadhanging.
Yeah.
RL continues.
am curious how well known AChristmas Story is over there.
It's practically an institutionhere, partly because a
particular cable TV used to playa 24 hour marathon of the movie
every year for all I know, theystill do." Have you ever seen a
(31:45):
Christmas story?
No, I have due to being marriedto one of them there So it's
permeated over.
I saw it on Channel Five once.
there you go.
If you are married to anAmerican RL, you will have heard
of it.
If you're not, you haven't.
Emma (32:00):
we go.
Sam (32:01):
It's about some kid who wants something for Christmas
and eventually he gets it andit's set in the fifties.
Emma (32:06):
Oh, sounds great.
Sam (32:07):
It's all right.
It's a Christmas Story Okay.
So that was RL.
And then I just want to go overto a Reddit comment.
This is from EZ or probably EasyPastelwitch.
And they say, I'm obsessed withyou guys' podcast and binge
lessened over a week whilehaving a terrible case of post
festival flu.
Aw.
so nice.
It's so nice.
(32:27):
I'm sorry you had the flu, butI'm just, thank you for
listening.
And I would've replied, but Ican't remember where the
password is for our Redditaccount, but thank you.
Emma (32:37):
Also, hope you're feeling better and ooh, what festival?
Sam (32:39):
Oh yeah.
And then Chris, Matt sent us anemail which is nothing but
praise for us, so it would bemassively egotistical to read it
all out.
Genuinely crying at you guysobservations on the videos.
Nothing more to add.
I just need to keep my oar in asa regular Chris.
Thanks Chris.
Yeah,
Emma (32:57):
thanks Chris.
That was lovely.
Sam (32:58):
Your keeping your oar in has been noted.
And if you want to be amongthose keeping their A in people
keeping their oar in, you candrop us an email
chatoutofhell@gmail.com.
You can maybe give us youropinion on our songs for next
time, and they are gonna be,
Emma (33:13):
I'm gonna bring No Matter What, made famous by Boyzone.
Sam (33:17):
Who were a, an Irish boy band.
Emma (33:20):
Originally from the Whistle Down the Wind musical.
Written by Andrew Lloyd Weberand Jim Steinman What are you
bringing Sam?
Sam (33:29):
I'll be bringing In the Land The Pig.
The Butcher is King.
Emma (33:33):
a title.
Sam (33:34):
yeah, that's off the Bat, out of Hell Three album and was
originally written for Batmanthe Musical.
Emma (33:40):
It is gonna be a musicals themed
Sam (33:42):
themed episode.
Yeah.
So listeners, let us know youropinions on those.
Give us five stars on yourpodcast apps.
Recommend us on a first date orto the bus driver.
It's the same to us.
Keep your general Meat Loafthoughts and anecdotes flying
in.
Did you see Meat Loaf playingMario Kart on the SNES?
And if so, did you know thatAmericans don't pronounce the
console name as SNES?
They say ess en ee ess.
(34:03):
What a world.
Let us know.
chatoutofhell@gmail.com.
Anything else to mention, Emma?
No.
You all right?
Yes.
Okay.
I was just very surprised.
I don't we are weird or theyare.
Okay.
I enjoyed that.
Good.
we'll see you again in two moreweeks time for a musical-arrific
Chat out of Hell
Emma (34:21):
Bye.
Sam (34:22):
Bye.
What is this?
Sam (00:01):
This, is Chat Out of Hell.
It's like when your teacher madeyou read a book and then tell
the class all about it.
Except the only books we readare about Meat Loaf and nobody's
making us except our own weirdneurochemistry.
Emma (00:13):
Who is Meat Loaf?
Sam (00:15):
Meat Loaf was a singer and actor who as a 16-year-old went
to see John F.
Kennedy arrive in Dallas Airporton November 22nd, 1963.
When wondering about how he andhis friends were allowed that
close, a nearby cop reassuredthem that nobody would get a gun
anywhere near the president,which was technically true.
(00:35):
Who is Jim Steinman?
Emma (00:37):
Jim Steinman was a long time collaborator with Meat
Loaf.
They had an on again, off againkind of bromance.
Meat Loaf first met him at anaudition where Jim was the only
person in the room.
He later said,"now that I knowSteinman really well, I know why
he was the only one in the room.
He doesn't like anyone toviolate his space.
Sam (00:57):
Nobody wanted to be near him.
Who are we?
Emma (01:02):
We are Emma Crossland and Sam Wilkinson.
Comedians and hosts of thispodcast who have been described
as humorous, but lazy in theirapproach.
Sam (01:10):
By whom?
Emma (01:11):
The internet
Sam (01:13):
was that Anthony?
Emma (01:14):
I don't know.
Sam (01:14):
Is that you?
We've settled this Anthony.
Emma (01:16):
Sam, Sam!.
Calm yourself.
Welcome to Chat Out of Hell.
ding.
Sam (01:24):
You know how you shouldn't read your reviews?
Yes.
You certainly shouldn't deliversomeone their reviews directly
before they do a show.
Emma (01:33):
Sorry, Sam.
Sam (01:34):
It's all right, Emma.
Emma (01:35):
Hey, Sam, how are you doing?
Sam (01:38):
I'm all right.
Thanks, pal.
How are you?
Emma (01:40):
Yeah.
All right.
Sam (01:41):
Good, Good.
Any, uh, pod worthy stuff tomention in your life?
Emma (01:45):
Nope.
Went dog sitting yesterday.
Nice.
Not dogging, that's different.
Dog sitting yesterday for myparents.
And their dog was so pleased tosee me it spent the entire day
laying in its basket facing thewall away from me.
As soon as my parents and theirfriends came home, it was
bouncing around like a lunatic.
(02:07):
So that was harsh judgment.
Sam (02:09):
I feel better about that other review
Emma (02:12):
now.
Sam (02:13):
So this is Chat Out of Hell, which is the fortnightly
in which we both listen to aMeat Loaf or Jim Steinman song
and then bring it back here forus both to talk about until
we're bored of talking about it.
And then we rate it on ourpatented Meat Loaf and or Jim
Steinman song rating scales.
So what have you brought thistime
Emma (02:32):
I've brought Amnesty Is Granted from Welcome to the
Neighbourhood.
What have you brought?
Sam (02:36):
I have brought Cry Over Me, which was on the Bat out of Hell
Three album in 2007.
And we're gonna start with thatone this time.
So listeners go away, find yourYouTubes or your Spotifys or
your bats.
Emma (02:49):
Does, this one have a video?
Sam (02:50):
It does have a video, Emma.
It is rubbish.
But regardless, you can find avideo for it on YouTube if you
so choose.
Otherwise, I'll give you a twosentence summary of it, which
will basically do the same job.
Either way, listeners, we'regonna go listen to it and we'll
be right back
Soundtrack (03:05):
I want you to cry.
Die over me.
Even a moment.
Sam (03:12):
Poor, sad Meat Loaf.
That was Cry Over Me from Batout of Hell Three, The Monster
is Loose, released 7th of May,2007.
Went to number 47 in the UKcharts.
Gosh,
Emma (03:25):
Gosh, it did that well,
Sam (03:26):
did that well and did not chart anywhere else.
Opinions.
Emma (03:29):
Oh God.
I think if.
Emma from the early twothousands.
So teenage Emma had heard this,it would've been the soundtrack
to a couple of breakups.
That does not mean I condoneIt's pretty dull.
It's a breakup song and it'slike, I want you to be as sad as
(03:50):
I am.
Sam (03:51):
It's a heartbreak song.
Written by our old pal, DianeWarren.
Emma (03:55):
Ah, it does have flavors
Sam (03:56):
it's got flavors of the Diane Warren.
Yeah.
This is the third of six songsof hers that Meat Loaf recorded.
so far we've covered Not a DryEye in the
Emma (04:04):
house, Uhhuh, which is another heartbreak song,
Sam (04:06):
it's another heartbreak song.
It is another heartbreak song,but that's more of a big
theatrical heartbreak song.
Yeah.
This is a, oh I'm so sad.
this is a moper, isn't it?
I'd Lie for You and That's theTruth.
Not a Dry Eye and I'd Lie ForYou are both Steinman
impressions.
You could not describe this as aSteinman impression.
Emma (04:23):
No.
No you really couldn't.
Sam (04:24):
The other songs she's written for him, If This is The
last kiss brackets, Let's Makeit Last All Night.
Emma (04:30):
is from Welcome to the Neighbourhood.
Sam (04:32):
It is.
And I Was Wrong from, Couldn'thave Said It Better and Unsaid,
which is a B side from thatalbum.
Diane Warren said of Meat Loafthat"he transformed a song into
a larger than life thing.
I think that's what made himsuch a great performer and
artist is that when he sang asong, he acted a song." That's
just what he said as well.
It is.,"it wasn't just singingnotes and words.
(04:52):
He got into character.
You could feel that." And thecharacter that Meat Loaf played
in this song was slightly mopeysad man.
"God, how lucky was I to haveMeat Loaf record six of my
songs?
What a gift.
You give them to somebody likeMeat Loaf and it's like, fuck
man.
Yes.
This is how that song's supposedto sound.
This song I wrote is now thisepic piece.
(05:12):
And that's what you'd get whenMeat Loaf would do a song you
wrote.
It was just an amazing gift fora songwriter." So that's how
this song is supposed to sound.
Emma (05:21):
Wow.
Sam (05:23):
you wanna talk about the video?
Emma (05:25):
I do.
Sam (05:25):
The video for people who didn't choose to watch it, Meat
Loaf stands remembering a ladyrun around near the sea while
displaying exactly as muchemotion on his face as he does
in the song.
A creepy man who looks exactlylike halfway between young Meat
Loaf and young Jim Steinman.
Emma (05:39):
It's so weird, isn't it?
Sam (05:41):
Spies on her for a bit and then somebody else runs over to
steal Meat's woman who wasn'teven his anyway, because she has
her own agency.
It ends on a single shot of someseabird sitting on a rock with
the feeling that they aren'tsupposed to be there.
You know, like how that StarWars film had to invent Porgs
because the island they werefilming on was full of puffins.
They kept coming to
Emma (06:01):
look at what was
Sam (06:03):
going on.
Oh, I didn't know that you notknow that?
That's adorable.
Yeah.
Porgs only exist because thepuffins wouldn't get out of the
way.
Emma (06:10):
Oh, puffins are brilliant.
Puffins
Sam (06:11):
puffins are brilliant.
Meat Loaf says this video tookfour hours to film.
Emma (06:16):
I can believe it.
Sam (06:17):
Oh, I thought somebody must have been slacking off.
Emma (06:19):
Do you wanna know what I said about the video?
Yes, please.
When I watched it earlier Isaid, the video reminds me of
something, an ambitious andmoody sixth form media student
would produce for theircoursework.
Sam (06:30):
It very much did have a student drama piece feel to it,
Emma (06:32):
I also said it was really underwhelming and that I miss
Michael Bay and his explosions.
Sam (06:38):
So what is with that guy who looks 50 50 between Meat
Loaf and Jim,
Emma (06:41):
did they have a baby?
Sam (06:44):
Who the fuck is that guy who keeps following?
Yeah.
Put him in the video.
It's fine.
Emma (06:48):
he is Jim Loafman, isn't
Sam (06:50):
Yeah, he is a very if you are the the 50 50 split between
Meat Loaf and Jim Steinman thatwas in that video, do let us
know.
Why were you there?
Emma (07:01):
did they find you?
Sam (07:01):
What's your deal?
Emma (07:04):
What's
Sam (07:04):
deal?
What's your deal, man?
This song is from the album BatOut of Hell Three.
Yeah.
The Monster is Loose.
Yes.
Which is a mess of an album.
Emma (07:16):
Well, it was supposed to be the next Meat Jim kind of
album, wasn't it?
And then Jim was never really onboard for it.
Sam (07:24):
Well, in the on again off again, bromance.
That is the Loafman life.
This is definitely an off againmoment.
During initial press for thisalbum, Meat Loaf said that Jim
was too ill to contribute Thereare seven songs written by Jim
on the album, but they're allfrom earlier projects.
A lot of'em are from Pandora'sBox or Batman the musical.
(07:47):
Jim didn't write anything newand Meat said it's'cause Jim was
too ill.
Meat Loaf said in an interviewwith Mick Wall, that was Jim
lying to Meat.
And then it comes down to a lotof legal wrangling over the
rights to the Bat, out of Hellname Another one of those things
where Meat Loaf at differentpoints says different things.
But a lot of the time he claimsthat he never sued Jim and Jim
(08:10):
never sued him, but theirrespective managements were
suing one another and it allgets very school playground.
Emma (08:17):
It sounds like the kind of thing that Meat Loaf would write
about extensively in hisautobiography.
Sam (08:21):
Almost certainly.
And that's why I've not turnedto it for reference because It's
okay.
Whatever he said in it, he'llhave changed his mind about that
a couple of years later, anyway.
Emma (08:31):
It was written before this album came out
Sam (08:33):
Oh, fair enough.
Meet said to Mick Wall, in hisbook, Like a Bat out of Hell
"they record companies andpeople tried to do welcome to
the Neighbourhood as Bat Three.
And I fought'em I said, no, thisis not a Bat out of Hell record.
It's a fine record and it's goodand you can put it out.
It's got songs on it that aregood, but it's not a Bat out of
(08:55):
Hell record.
There's something very differentabout Bat Out of Hell records.
They're just bigger.
They're renegades", renegades,According to some sources in
later years, Meat Loaf willregret applying the Bat out of
Hell name to this album becauseit isn't, it's just not on the
(09:15):
same level as one and two.
And there's some good songs onit, mostly stuff that Jim wrote
that he then reperformed, but itdoesn't have the same feel
either.
The opening track has new metalelements to it.
Emma (09:27):
Yeah, I've heard that.
It's weird, isn't it.
Sam (09:30):
Certainly not what I've come the Meat Loaf shop for.
So this album, instead of beingproduced by Jim, was produced by
Desmond Child.
Who is a name, I think he mayhave popped up already at some
point in our conversations.
Desmond's a busy old man.
So he produced all of this.
He's worked with Meat and withJim in the past.
He's got extensive songwritingcredits.
(09:52):
I Was Made for Loving You, I wasmade for lovin' you baby.
You Give Love a Bad Name, Livingon a Prayer.
Bad Medicine.
Dude Looks Like a Lady.
Just like Jesse James.
Living la vida Loca.
Poison, the Alice Cooper one.
How Can We be Lovers if we can'tbe friends?
(10:13):
And that's just the songs I'veheard of.
For Bonnie Tyler.
He wrote, if You Were a Woman,and I was a Man, which was on
Secret Dreams and ForbiddenFires, one of the Jim Steinman
albums.
And he also wrote Bonnie'sBelieve In Me, which she took to
Eurovision in 2013.
Which finished 19th.
Okay.
It's an all right ballad, butit's not remotely Eurovision.
(10:33):
And on the night, Bonniedelivered an adequate
performance and then, sure inthe knowledge of not having to
come back again, went off to thegreen room and got hammered.
Emma (10:42):
old Bonnie.
Sam (10:42):
Yep.
And he also wrote the songEveryone Matters on it's a Very
Merry Muppet Christmas movie.
Awww.
Emma (10:50):
Have
Sam (10:50):
you
Emma (10:50):
seen
Sam (10:50):
that one?
Emma (10:52):
Not that I remember.
I might have seen it,
Sam (10:54):
It's one from the Muppet Dark Ages.
Right before the revival.
In the mid sort of 2010s andafter Muppet Treasure Island and
Muppets from Space, it wasbasically, It's a Muppet
Wonderful Life.
Emma (11:07):
Oh
Sam (11:07):
Oh yeah.
But on an incredible made for TVbudget.
Emma (11:12):
It sounds
Sam (11:13):
Whoopi Goldberg plays God in it.
Emma (11:15):
Oh, wow.
Sam (11:16):
So yeah, Desmond is very much a musical stalwart who's
worked in all different genres.
He's written written songs forbillions of people.
And he produced the entirealbum.
Mick Wall Isn't a fan, He askswhether it was Desmond Child's
job to recognize that he wasworking on part three of a
trilogy and have a line that youcan trace from part one to part
two to part three.
(11:37):
Meat Loaf's response is,"yeah,you have to have that.
You need the line that you cantrace, but that can also be a
micro line."
Emma (11:44):
Oh wow.
Sam (11:48):
This is during the press tour for this record.
Emma (11:52):
feels like it was a hastily shoved together idea.
Sam (11:57):
It's yeah.
a money grab.
This is our Well, it does, butit's Meat Loaf was 58 when he
recorded this.
Emma (12:03):
Yeah.
Sam (12:04):
And no matter what you believe about the lawsuits, they
did happen.
Whether that was actuallybecause of Meat and Jim falling
out or because their managementsdicks.
Yeah.
Or both.
we've talked in the past aboutMeat's voice falling off a cliff
after this record.
Yeah.
This is his last chance torecord something genuinely good.
Yeah.
So I don't blame him for goingfor it.
And if Jim's not about or up forit, then get someone else.
(12:26):
Desmond does a, an adequate job,but it's just not a Jim Steinman
Emma (12:30):
no,
Sam (12:32):
This is our second dip into Bat out of Hell Three.
So we'll have plenty more to sayabout the Would you like to do a
quiz?
Emma (12:39):
no, But it's gonna happen, isn't
Sam (12:41):
it?
Would you like to do a quiz,Emma?
Emma (12:42):
Yes.
Sam, I'd like to do a quiz,please.
And thank
Sam (12:45):
Emma.
I've got three quotes for you.
One of them is not from a reviewof Bat out of Hell Three.
One.
Whoever decided it will be agood idea should be tarred and
feathered." Two.
A brightly lit mess." Three.
Has provoked anguishedcommentaries about just what he
(13:05):
stands for." for
Emma (13:08):
All of those could be about Mr.
Blobby.
Which one is
Sam (13:12):
that's the twisted web I weave
Emma (13:15):
Oh, i'm gonna say that a brightly lit mess is the one
that isn't about Meat Loaf.
Sam (13:21):
so far on this series, Emma, you are two nil up.
Emma (13:24):
Yeah,
Sam (13:26):
It's two one.
Emma (13:27):
Oh, no.
Mm-hmm.
Is it the one about what hestands for?
Sam (13:30):
That is indeed.
Oh
Emma (13:32):
Oh Oh.
I hate myself.
Sam (13:35):
Quote one, the full quote, whoever decided it would be a
good idea for Meat Loaf totackle new metal should be
tarred and feathered.
Quote two is just straightlifted from an Allmusic review
of Bat out of Hell Three, andquote three is from the New York
Times
Emma (13:48):
About Mr.
Blobby?
Sam (13:49):
In 1994,"Mr.
Blobby's rise to stardom hasprovoked anguished commentaries
about just what he stands for.
Some commentators have calledhim a metaphor for a nation gone
soft in the head.
Others have seen him as proof ofBritain's deep seated attraction
to trash."
Emma (14:06):
Wow.
Sam (14:07):
Yeah.
Mr.
Blobby went international,
Emma (14:10):
He did.
Sam (14:11):
Don't have a lot else to say on this one.
Emma (14:13):
Fair enough, shall we it then?
Sam (14:14):
Yeah.
Well, first of all, We'll turnto what the people of the
internet think.
And they don't have a lot to sayeither, so I've just got one for
you.
This is from at SCAT Pack 21.
Okay.
"RIP, old friend.
I'll roadie for you again on theother side." Aw.
I just want, no.
Oh, really?
I was gonna call out Scatpackfor a needless, humble brag.
Emma (14:37):
Just thought it was
Sam (14:40):
well, maybe I'm an arsehole.
Shall we rate this song Emma?
Emma (14:44):
Let's rate it.
Sam (14:45):
Okay.
So for this song, we are gonnause our patented Meat Loaf song
rating scale, which after theadjustment to our patent now
runs from Michael Lee Day at thetop to Michael Lee Okay.
In the middle, all the way downto Michael Lee No Way.
For the misogynistic and orhorrible songs what he'd done.
What's this?
Emma (15:06):
It's an Okay.
Sam (15:07):
It's a very bottom tier.
Okay.
But it is an okay.
Emma (15:10):
it can't be in no way because it's not
Sam (15:12):
It's not of No.
Emma (15:14):
it's not rubbish.
it's just,
Sam (15:16):
rubbish.
It's an okay song if I'velistened to it a few times in
the past week and, sing along toit, but I don't
Emma (15:22):
it'll be creeping onto any
Sam (15:23):
No.
I'm not gonna miss it when Idon't have to listen to it a
load anymore.
But it's not, yeah, it's aMichael Lee.
It's okay.
okay.
Okay.
Emma, what song did you bring?
Emma (15:38):
I have brought Amnesty is Granted, which is from the
Welcome to the Neighbourhoodalbum.
There's no video for this one,so go away and listen to it on
your device of choice.
Soundtrack (15:52):
Bess
Emma (15:56):
Amnesty is Granted from Welcome to the Neighbourhood,
Sam, any opinions from the Off?
Sam (16:01):
Well, it's better, isn't it?
It's more what we're here for.
I'm assuming it's not aSteinman.
Emma (16:05):
It isn't, no.
Sam (16:06):
no.
Emma (16:06):
It's by a guy called Sammy Hagar.
Sam (16:08):
It's by Sammy Hagar.
Yeah.
Ah,
Emma (16:10):
Off of a Van Halen
Sam (16:12):
out of off of the Van Halens
Emma (16:14):
1985 to 1996.
So the post David Lee Rothyears.
I think it's a bit of a banger.
It's one of my.
Top songs from that album.
And I've listened to it a lotover the years, so I quite
enjoyed this.
It's been a nice one for me.
Sam (16:29):
That's nice.
I did see you dancing along.
Emma (16:31):
I love it.
It's on the car
Sam (16:33):
singing along to even the ancillary side words.
Yeah.
Yeah.
One thing it does have in commonwith Steinman is is that it's
exactly two minutes too long.
Yes.
At four minutes there was areally good out point.
Yeah.
And they went, nah, let's have abit more, let's have a
Emma (16:47):
Let's just keep going.
Sam (16:48):
It's quite fun.
I enjoy it.
Who played on it?
Emma (16:50):
Sammy Hagar.
Sam (16:51):
Oh, Sammy Hagar was the
Emma (16:52):
guitar.
Yes.
And also did backing vocals.
Nice.
So it's, that's why it's got abit of a, an edge
Sam (16:57):
to I think.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Emma (16:59):
A rarity on that album, I feel.
Sammy Hagar was really heavilyinvolved in this one.
I've sent you A Linky link.
'Cause Hagar made it
Sam (17:09):
Oh, good.
So this is the originalrecording, is it?
Emma (17:11):
Meat Loaf is the original
Sam (17:12):
recording.
Right.
okay.
Sammy.
And then Sammy did his ownversion,
Soundtrack (17:21):
No one has to give
Emma (17:30):
So what did you think of that version?
Sam (17:32):
It was shorter.
Yes.
And yet I still felt itoutstayed its
Emma (17:35):
Yes
Sam (17:36):
Yes It's very wrapped up at a kind of post Nirvana sound,
late nineties
Emma (17:41):
It doesn't do it for me.
Sam (17:43):
No.
And I it.
There's something on the tip ofmy brain, which maybe listeners,
you'll get there before I do,that tell me now, tell it like
it is hook sounds so much likesome other song that I can't
quite remember.
Emma (17:57):
Yeah, I dunno.
Sam (17:58):
It,
Emma (17:58):
it sounds familiar, but I can't quite put finger on it.
Yeah.
So I just thought it was aninteresting
Sam (18:08):
Yeah.
Dunno.
But yes.
Emma (18:10):
Prefer the,
Sam (18:11):
from recording.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Emma (18:12):
Cause it's just got a lot of oomph to it.
Sam (18:14):
Yeah, I think the Sammy Hagar version.
Isn't stripped back enough toappeal to my folky.
That side of, oh, it's nevergonna be folky, yeah.
More stripped down tendencies,but it's not massive enough.
they've, I was thinking aboutthe John Lewis ad.
Yeah.
It's not slow enough to be theJohn Lewis ad.
(18:35):
But they've not turned up enoughdials to Meat Loaf it or Spinal
Tap it.
Yeah.
Emma (18:40):
Yeah.
I'm
Sam (18:40):
talking about turning up dials.
'cause YouTube ran an advd forspinal tap
Emma (18:44):
know.
Sam (18:44):
watching
Emma (18:45):
That's
Sam (18:46):
for the listeners, not for you.
Emma (18:48):
I thought that advert was more on brand than any of the
other ones.
Sam (18:50):
Yeah, mostly when I play us videos off YouTube, we get stuff
like, well, there was an advertfor the Norwegian neck pillow
before before the preview
Emma (18:59):
more on brand for you.
Sam (19:00):
Yes.
It's but just to remind youguys, Spinal Tap Two's coming
out, is it gonna be rubbish?
I bet it will.
Emma (19:07):
are we gonna go and see it anyway?
Probably.
So a bit about the songaccording to Hagar's
autobiography, he wrote the songabout being able to be with his
newfound love away from hisex-wife, Betsy.
So, for him it feels like it's asong of optimism and leaving not
so great relationship.
(19:28):
Far Out Magazine wrote anarticle called Amnesty is
Granted (19:32):
The Lost Van Halen Song Written by Sammy Hagar.
They've said"it's a cry fortogetherness, even amid complete
disdain and despair" regardingHagar's feelings for being
pushed out of Van Halen.
So there's a lot to do with thatin this article.
And then it quotes the lyrics,"time ticks away, it drifts
away," and it says here"leavingempty, shattered moments".
(19:55):
But I don't think that's thecorrect lyric.
'Cause when I was listening tothe Meat Loaf version it's not
shattered moments and otherlyric sites quote it as being
sandy shoulders leaving empty.
Sandy, should sandy Yep.
Sam (20:09):
think I was in school with him.
I
Emma (20:15):
Anyway, that's just an aside.
time ticks away.
It drifts away, leaving empty,shattered moments.
Who said that love could lastforever?
I'm growing tired of feelinglike I do.' Evidently the song
tapped into Hagar's experienceswith a loss love and himself
while in the band, even if itwas released as a solo piece"
Sam (20:33):
Interesting contextualizing it in the sort of loss of
working in Van Halen.
Meat Loaf and Sammy Hagar bothmourning Creative partnerships
that they're no longer in.
Emma (20:45):
Indeed.
Yeah.
It does feel a bit that way.
But I too have Mick Wall's book,Like a Bat Out of Hell.
And Mick's not very kind aboutthis song.
Sam (20:56):
Mick is very into Steinman and Loaf stuff as are we.
But I think we're a bit moreforgiving sometimes of Meat's
solo stuff.
Not always.
A lot of it is rubbish.
But
Emma (21:07):
would you like to hear the Mick wall quote that"Six minutes
of guitar wank that Van Halenwouldn't have used as a B side."
I think's a little harsh.
Sam (21:17):
it's a little harsh.
It's a bit much, it does remindus that Mick Wall is ultimately
a music reviewer Yeah.
Emma (21:23):
Yeah.
Sam (21:24):
Of the sort that we have discussed in the past.
That we both used to be and thencouldn't make money out of it.
Yeah.
The worst people to talk toabout music are music reviewers.
Yes.
Emma (21:39):
Ha.
Sam (21:40):
Whereas podcast music comedians
Emma (21:43):
we're just lazy.
Sam (21:44):
well, lazy podcast music.
Yeah.
We won't have a wholeconversation with you.
Emma (21:47):
Nope.
The Sammy Hagar release came in1997 on his album, Marching to
Mars whereas the Meat Loafversion came out in 95.
So, I feel like you are rightwhen you say that, Hagar's
version sounds more likenineties
Sam (22:06):
late nineties grungy.
Emma (22:07):
It's fine.
Sam (22:08):
Yeah, it's fine.
It's, do it for me.
If that was the version thatyou'd brought for the review.
neither of us would have anydiscussion about the rating.
It would be bottom of the
Emma (22:17):
barrel.
Yeah.
Sam (22:17):
Yeah.
Emma (22:17):
Middle of the road.
Middle of the road.
Sam (22:18):
of the road.
Yeah.
Emma (22:20):
There's not a right lot to say about it.
This was never a single.
So it didn't hit like the criticpress or anything like that
particularly.
The people of the internet don'thave very much to say but there
is one comment that occurred afew times and if you think back
to the intro of the song MeatLoaf's version you can play it
if you like.
Sam (22:38):
I'm just Is full of biddly guitar.
Emma (22:43):
shredding guitar.
But this isn't the bit I'm gonnatalk about.
Keep going.
Sam (22:47):
That bit is like in Bill and Ted when they're rubbish and
then Rufus comes and jams withthem and he's an amazing
guitarist.
Emma (22:55):
Still not that bit.
Sam (22:59):
Yeah.
But can we talk about Bill and
Emma (23:01):
Ted?
That's for another day, Sam.
This bit Okay.
Can stop now.
The people of the internet saidneeds more cowbell.
Sam (23:15):
Oh, okay.
Emma (23:16):
That was all they've said.
literally all.
That's it.
Sam (23:20):
Yeah.
The people of the internet don'toften have opinions on album
tracks.
No.
They leave it to us.
Emma (23:25):
So what are our opinions then?
Sam (23:27):
Is it time to rate this be.
Okay.
Well, we are back to our MeatLoaf song rating scale, which
Emma, as you know, runs fromMichael Lee Aday to Michael Lee
Okay, down to Michael Lee NoWay.
This is gonna be a tricky one.
Emma (23:41):
is, Isn't it?
Sam (23:42):
so we can discard No Way.
Emma (23:43):
Yeah.
It's definitely not a No Way.
'cause at no point is anybodygonna be offended.
And also it's not rubbish.
Is it top end Okay.
Or bottom end Aday?
Sam (23:56):
Shall I check the spreadsheet for what else made
it to the hallowed halls of Aday
Emma (24:00):
Yeah.
Because I know how I feel about'Cause this album came out in
95.
It was of course part of myyouth.
Sam (24:09):
Oh, is there a Meat Loaf memory?
Emma (24:13):
It's not a specific memory.
But definitely Teenage Emmalistened to this lot during
breakups and thought
Sam (24:20):
about what it would be like to break up with someone and
then immediately have somebodyelse that they were going back
Yeah.
Emma (24:28):
I think I particularly enjoyed the line the lines about
love lasting forever.
Who said that love would lastforever sulked Emma.
Sam (24:39):
I can't wait till I'm old enough to feel ways about stuff.
Yeah.
Adays so far (24:44):
Martha was an Aday for me, but not for you.
Uhhuh.
I'd Lie For You and That's theTruth.
Couldn't Have Said it Better.
California Isn't Big Enough,
Emma (24:53):
which is a brilliant song.
Sam (24:56):
Thank you to, I think it was Stephanie recommended
California Isn't Big Enough.
Emma is now obsessed
Emma (25:01):
It's changed my life.
If I'm ever able to choose walkon music for a gig again.
Sam (25:07):
Okay.
In purely musical terms uh, thissong is better than California
isn't Big Enough.
But half the songs we've ratedOkay are better songs than
California isn't Big Enough.
Emma (25:20):
California isn't big enough is up.
Therefore, we were both inagreement.
We And I think We still are.
Sam (25:26):
If it wasn't about
Emma (25:27):
if it wasn't about it
Sam (25:28):
an Aday, but
Emma (25:29):
it's about
Sam (25:31):
Uh, but Emma is this song about dicks.
Emma (25:34):
It's not about dicks.
But for me it's an Aday
Sam (25:38):
I think it's an Aday as well.
It's definitely a step above thesort stuff that we've rated as.
Okay.
Yeah.
Modern Girl, Running for the RedLight, Tear Me Down.
Yeah.
It's above that sort of stuff.
So yeah.
This is a Michael Lee Aday.
Yay.
Ding, Ding, ding, ding, ding,ding, ding, Ding.
Emma (25:57):
Lovely
Sam (25:58):
So that was our songs this episode.
What did you think about thosesongs?
Do you agree with our ratings?
Do you think we're idiots?
Are we lazy?
I don't know why I'm stuck onthat.
It's, it was a good review.
It
Emma (26:08):
let it go some, let it go.
Sam (26:10):
don't do that to a brain.
Like, you know, I've got thething.
It's alright.
I've now given myself the thingas well.
Yeah.
Do you agree with our ratings?
Do you have anything to add?
chatoutofhell@gmail.com likethese people have done.
Woo, RL Gray's been in touch.
Hi RL Hi RL Thanks for tuning inon your big radio.
(26:36):
RL has given us some kind words,which I will skip over, but
thank you very much.
A few notes on our first episodethis series"as an incurable
pendant, I will be remiss in notpointing out that the notice
usually posted on rear viewmirrors, at least in the US is
objects in mirror are closerthan they appear.' Maybe
Steinman was doing a playfulreversal to indicate that no
matter how far back in the pastevents get, they can still feel
(26:57):
painfully recent." Yeah, that'strue.
I think we did talk about thatand then I cut it.
Emma (27:01):
I know I spent quite a long time looking for a
photograph of a
Sam (27:04):
Yes, yes.
I So RL (27:05):
it's only in the US and one of the big pauses we took
when we were recording thatepisode was me trying to
research what awful court casemust have resulted in American
cars having to display thisnotice.
'cause everybody else just hasmirrors and we look in them.
Emma (27:22):
Yeah.
We're, We're fine with
Sam (27:23):
it.
But yeah, dunno why that is, butyes, you're absolutely right.
RL it, is playing with thephrase and inverting RL goes on
"besides playing Meat's fatherin the Objects video, Robert
Patrick has also played thefathers of Johnny Cash in Walk
the Line and Elvis Presley inthe 2005 miniseries Elvis.
So he built a sort of minicareer of playing famous
(27:43):
musicians' fathers, I guess"That's interesting, RL.
But as an incurable pendant, Iwill be remiss in not pointing
out back to you that RobertPatrick didn't play Meat Loaf's
father in the video, he playedKenny's father.
I don't, I know that wasdelivered so smugly and I'm
really sorry, RL.
Emma (28:01):
Thank
Sam (28:01):
you for writing in.
Emma (28:02):
You are beaming with
Sam (28:04):
I am, I am, I'm really sorry about.
Yeah, RL confirms thanks toDoctor Who and such, I'm enough
of an Anglophile to just aboutknow who Mr.
Blobby is." I don't remember Mr.
Blobby in Doctor Who
Emma (28:17):
but Commiserations anyway.
Yes.
on your Mr.
Blobby knowledge.
Sam (28:21):
you.
God,
Emma (28:22):
gosh,
Sam (28:22):
we get into some Mr.
Blobby chat?
Emma (28:24):
If we have to.
Sam (28:25):
Did you ever see or meet Mr.
Blobby
Emma (28:28):
No.
Did you?
you?
met Mr.
Blobby.
I did Was it all you hoped itwould be?
I dunno why I'm being mean aboutthis because I, as a 41-year-old
woman, get genuinely excitedabout the prospect of meeting
people like Mickey, Matt people,
Sam (28:43):
people like the man inside the Mickey Mouse, costume
Emma (28:47):
characters like Mickey.
Well, so,
Sam (28:49):
so I very quick, Mr.
Blobby explainer for people whodon't have a clue, he started
out as a joke character on aSaturday night entertainment
show who was like an over thetop piss take of the stupidest
version of what a kid'scharacter could be.
And then kids loved him anyway.
And I was one of those kids,
Emma (29:08):
as was I at the
Sam (29:10):
as was I at the time.
Yeah.
so the show was called Noel'sHouse Party.
It was a sort of Saturday nightlight entertainment show.
There was music and prankspeople could
Emma (29:19):
Edmonds
Sam (29:20):
A man called Noel Edmonds, who we don't have time to get
Emma (29:23):
but google him.
Sam (29:24):
crikey.
that.
But that span out into a seriesof live events called Noel's
Garden Party.
Emma (29:30):
Did you go to a
Sam (29:30):
garden party?
We, I went to a Noel's gardenparty.
Oh.
There is a beautiful photo in mymum's house of my brother stood
in front of a, I guess a pickuptruck with Mr.
Blobby stood in the back of itwaving like the Popemobile.
Emma (29:48):
Amazing.
Sam (29:49):
I also got the autograph of disgraced Blue Peter presenter,
John Leslie,
Emma (29:53):
my Amazing.
Yeah.
Sam (29:57):
So thanks RL.
Emma (29:58):
Sam, hang on.
I'm not finished here.
What was Blobby like in person?
Sam (30:01):
Oh my God.
Emma (30:02):
it everything you hoped?
Sam (30:03):
He was surprisingly down to earth and very funny
Emma (30:07):
Would you say witty, erudite.
Right,
Sam (30:13):
It was like when um, you know, sometimes when you look
into the eyes of a, of a, abeloved family pet.
Yeah.
And you see a soul back
Emma (30:23):
you A depth that you
Sam (30:24):
uhhuh.
Emma (30:25):
you and a connection.
Sam (30:27):
Exactly.
Exactly.
It was like that except his eyeswere stuck on and made of
plastic.
'cause they were big googly eyesand he went"blobby blobby
blobby".
I don't really remember meetinghim.
We just have the photo evidence.
Emma (30:40):
I'd love to see the photos.
Sam (30:42):
I'm not in them, it's just my brother.
Also that day there were somemen.
The only memory I have of thatday is getting John Leslie's
autograph, which I still havesomewhere, I think.
Brilliant.
Yeah.
That'll be worth something oneday.
And there were people givingaway free packets of crisps.
And at the end of the day, as wewere leaving again I saw two of
(31:03):
them stood together, like rightnext to each other, chatting.
And I barged straight betweenthe two of them to see if I'd
get any more crisps.
And they had no more crisps toAnd my mum told me off of being
rude, which was fair enough.
Yeah.
Lovely day out.
I recommend it.
Noel's Garden party, 1994.
Check it out.
Emma (31:21):
Did you ever visit the Crinkly Bottom theme park?
Sam (31:24):
No.
And I You know what?
Let's just leave that threadhanging.
Yeah.
RL continues.
am curious how well known AChristmas Story is over there.
It's practically an institutionhere, partly because a
particular cable TV used to playa 24 hour marathon of the movie
every year for all I know, theystill do." Have you ever seen a
(31:45):
Christmas story?
No, I have due to being marriedto one of them there So it's
permeated over.
I saw it on Channel Five once.
there you go.
If you are married to anAmerican RL, you will have heard
of it.
If you're not, you haven't.
Emma (32:00):
we go.
Sam (32:01):
It's about some kid who wants something for Christmas
and eventually he gets it andit's set in the fifties.
Emma (32:06):
Oh, sounds great.
Sam (32:07):
It's all right.
It's a Christmas Story Okay.
So that was RL.
And then I just want to go overto a Reddit comment.
This is from EZ or probably EasyPastelwitch.
And they say, I'm obsessed withyou guys' podcast and binge
lessened over a week whilehaving a terrible case of post
festival flu.
Aw.
so nice.
It's so nice.
(32:27):
I'm sorry you had the flu, butI'm just, thank you for
listening.
And I would've replied, but Ican't remember where the
password is for our Redditaccount, but thank you.
Emma (32:37):
Also, hope you're feeling better and ooh, what festival?
Sam (32:39):
Oh yeah.
And then Chris, Matt sent us anemail which is nothing but
praise for us, so it would bemassively egotistical to read it
all out.
Genuinely crying at you guysobservations on the videos.
Nothing more to add.
I just need to keep my oar in asa regular Chris.
Thanks Chris.
Yeah,
Emma (32:57):
thanks Chris.
That was lovely.
Sam (32:58):
Your keeping your oar in has been noted.
And if you want to be amongthose keeping their A in people
keeping their oar in, you candrop us an email
chatoutofhell@gmail.com.
You can maybe give us youropinion on our songs for next
time, and they are gonna be,
Emma (33:13):
I'm gonna bring No Matter What, made famous by Boyzone.
Sam (33:17):
Who were a, an Irish boy band.
Emma (33:20):
Originally from the Whistle Down the Wind musical.
Written by Andrew Lloyd Weberand Jim Steinman What are you
bringing Sam?
Sam (33:29):
I'll be bringing In the Land The Pig.
The Butcher is King.
Emma (33:33):
a title.
Sam (33:34):
yeah, that's off the Bat, out of Hell Three album and was
originally written for Batmanthe Musical.
Emma (33:40):
It is gonna be a musicals themed
Sam (33:42):
themed episode.
Yeah.
So listeners, let us know youropinions on those.
Give us five stars on yourpodcast apps.
Recommend us on a first date orto the bus driver.
It's the same to us.
Keep your general Meat Loafthoughts and anecdotes flying
in.
Did you see Meat Loaf playingMario Kart on the SNES?
And if so, did you know thatAmericans don't pronounce the
console name as SNES?
They say ess en ee ess.
(34:03):
What a world.
Let us know.
chatoutofhell@gmail.com.
Anything else to mention, Emma?
No.
You all right?
Yes.
Okay.
I was just very surprised.
I don't we are weird or theyare.
Okay.
I enjoyed that.
Good.
we'll see you again in two moreweeks time for a musical-arrific
Chat out of Hell
Emma (34:21):
Bye.
Sam (34:22):
Bye.
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