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July 8, 2024 53 mins

Adam and Josh discuss the decline in MLB Pitchers stamina over the years, Japanese Heritage Night at Dodger Stadium, and the WNBA.

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So yeah, man, good shit.
Anyways, today, children, we're going to be talking about pornography.
Yeah, today, today we're going to be talking about load management.
I want to have sex with your wife.
Oh, damn it.
Son of a bitch.
He's fucking back.
Dude, we've had so many episodes without fucking Perk Angle and he just barged in here and

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wants to fuck somebody's wife.
Apparently, you know, that's why we fucking can't talk about anything sexual related,
because the second we bring it up, fucking on the prowl, just looking for shit to fuck
unacceptable, unacceptable.
And not only he could just be fucking random, random hookers on the street, but he said
he wants to have sex with somebody's wife.
How fucking terrible is that?

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So anyways, we're talking about load management.
All right.
Before we even get to that.
OK, as an appetizer.
OK, appetizing me up, baby.
So I went to the Japanese Heritage Night.
Oh, yeah, that's right.
For a doyer game.
Oh, yeah, it did.
This is the Nippon Sports Report.

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You know, we should add we should add that like and then you're like.
Anyways, so I went out to Japanese Heritage Night for the Dodgers, probably the third
or fourth.
No, it's probably it's probably the third game I've gone to to Dodger Stadium.

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What a shit show for fucking security to make me go through.
But by a number of tickets to get a couple of jerseys, so they maybe pass through once.
But I had to go back to the back of the line.
Start all over again to get my next jersey.
So that was a fucking pain in the ass.

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What the fuck is the point of that?
Because they want to give everybody else a fair chance to get the jersey.
But I was like, I fucking paid for the ticket.
Let me in.
I mean, they let me in once, but I had to go twice to get both of them.
So you got what, two tickets?
Yeah, two jerseys.
Yeah.
So it was bullshit.
That is bullshit.
So the guy's like, are you trying to the security guard was like, what the fuck are you doing?

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I'm like, oh, my jersey.
He's like, you already scanned for one.
I'm like, yeah, I have another ticket.
He's like, well, you got to go back to the end of the line to go get the next one.
I'm like, all right, but I'm going to get my fucking jersey.
What the fuck was the point of me buying two tickets then?
Yeah.
Well, anyways, I never had any other problems because when I got the bobbleheads, they told

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the person that was attending the jerseys, they told them for the bobbleheads, they were
like, oh, he's getting three bobbleheads.
They signaled to the person that they're getting three bobbleheads.
So when I got there, they gave them to me.
But this was like so much more worse and it wasn't even that complicated.
I had two tickets and all they had to do was scan both of them and give me my two fucking

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things.
So do you think they made less jerseys than they did bobbleheads because the jerseys cost
more?
No, no, I think they made because it was kind of like a special thing.
Like you had to pay an additional $30 for the ticket.
So it was like the regular price of the ticket for wherever you're sitting.
And then you paid an additional $30 for the jersey.
Oh, so then they should have made the exact amount of people that $30.

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Yeah.
So it's like a reservation.
But technically, like if you don't show up for you don't get it or if you show up on
time and they run out, then that's your shit out of luck.
So obviously that's so that's what's fucked though.
So you're paying the $30 fucking dollars in advance.
Right.
But then if you run out, well, OK, you should have bought enough Dodger Stadium.

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You should have made enough for everybody that paid the $30 fucking dollars.
Yeah.
So it was so you get your money back if you don't get one.
No, you don't get shit.
So then you just are paying $30 to gamble.
Well, I mean, it's it's nearly a certainty if you show up on time like, yeah, well, again,
if you show up on time, but like what if what if they fucking only made 10,000 and 20,000

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people pay $30?
I actually did that fucking $30.
They just pocket it and just say, yeah, yeah, hold on a minute, player.
Right.
That's the Dodgers.
The Dodgers.
You fucks.
You're just pocketing the $30.
It's fucking ridiculous.
Yeah, I don't know what the fuck the deal with that shit is.
But anyway, so then I actually get to the game fucking, of course, it's a fucking bullpen

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game from the Dodgers.
And this will transition over to the topic for for the topic for the episode, which is
load management or whatever the fuck you want to call it.
So Dodgers leading to zero fucking, of course, they give up to one bomb to one of the Arizona
Diamondback players.
I think it was Christian Walker because that motherfucker was hitting dingers like the whole

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series.
And eventually the Dodgers end up getting behind three, four at the top of the eighth.
And so they're down three, four.
And I think they ultimately end up winning five for the game.
I mean, it was it was pretty fucking bad ass.
Like when when Shohei Otani like hit his home run, which I've never seen before, man, that

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thing doesn't sound like fucking anything like any other player in Major League Baseball.
That shit sounds like a shotgun fucking going off.
Yeah, because it's because he uses a cork bat.
That's what it is.
You just love you just love shitting on him.
Hey, when you're the enemy, you're the enemy.
All right.
You just you really have nothing better to do because you correct.

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The angels got nothing else.
That's that's how you know.
That's the we just lost a three game series and we're swept by the Oakland A's.
So of course, I have nothing else better to do than shit on Shohei Otani.
Yeah.
So sorry, buddy, until the angels get good, you're getting shit on by me.
That's all I got to say.
Well, I'm not as fucking I'm not as fucking PR person.
I've got to defend his ass.

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But anyways, yeah, Shohei Otani, man.
First time I got to see everybody in the crowd.
I mean, it was Japanese heritage nights, so fucking everybody was like high five in each
other and it was it was madness.
And then on top of the fact that they came back and won the game to walk it off in the
ninth, Will Smith got on base.

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Freddie Freeman hit like a double and scored in Will Smith and then Teoscar got the final
run to seal the deal.
I like that's one of the best games that I've been to, at least for this season.
Yeah, possibly like one of the best games I've seen in my entire life to to see fucking
Shohei Otani's home run, man.
Motherfucker is not even nobody.

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The comparisons to Babe Ruth are they shouldn't that shouldn't even be a fucking thing because
motherfucker was eating hot dogs and pound away cigars and shit.
Like still killing it.
Gut Cassidy.
Oh, yeah.
This this is a physical specimen that we're talking about Shohei Otani.
So there's two different things.
But yet he can't hit 60 home runs in one season.

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I don't know.
It's weird, isn't it?
Maybe that's what we need to go back to.
Maybe we need instead of steroids, maybe we need beer and fucking hot dogs on fucking
tap in the dugout.
When the when the pitch rotation or the pitch repertoire or the repertoire of pitches that
were in the old days of baseball, it was probably like a fastball and who the fuck knows what

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else?
So of course somebody is going to hit something because what else can you imagine is going
to be thrown?
They had curveballs and change ups and fucking shit like that.
I mean, I don't know the history of each individual pitch being developed in the course of baseball
double day invented all the pitches in baseball that currently exists today.
The day he made baseball.

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OK, like that's you know, I don't know.
I'm just saying that the game is far more simplified and maybe Babe Ruth's feats were
far more embellished than what Shohei Watani is doing currently, because anyways, enough
about that.
I had an excellent time at the game.

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Got a sweet fucking jersey.
If you were fortunate enough to get one, I mean, hold on to that shit, because I'm sure
it's going to be worth money if you had the opportunity to get more than one jersey.
I think it's by far one of the best of the national jerseys.
I mean, they had Mexico, they have Armenia and a bunch of other ones.
But this one to me is like the one that stood out the most of the ones being released for

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this this year.
But now to transition over to the topic of the episode.
So I've been watching a lot of Dodgers games and maybe it's just baseball in general.
But man, you really do not see fucking starters going as deep as they used to anymore.

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And fuck back in the day, dude, starters went like six or seven innings like easily.
And they also did it on three days fucking rest.
So these guys weren't you imagine with a three three days rest, you're probably like 85 percent
like you're not 100 percent right.
Sure.
Yeah.

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So I'm just like, what happened to starters, dude?
Like it's almost like the responsibility of pitching is far more or far more.
It's now more equal in terms of like starting pitching in the bullpen as opposed to like
the starting pitching, carrying most of the game.

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Like what the fuck is that all about?
And also the injuries, man, like the injuries have gone up.
And I'm wondering if it's because like basically batters are able to scout pitchers with technology
to have everything accessible to them, to look at pitchers and have their mechanics
be broken down on YouTube.

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It's not even necessarily like them looking at their tablets like within the game itself.
Like, yeah, of course they could do that, but they could also go online on YouTube to
see every single pitcher that is in the league to see what they're doing and picking apart
everything that they can.
And maybe that's made pitching even harder, which probably means why maybe guys are turning

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up the fucking heat on their fastball to triple digits to go 103 because they can't catch
up.
And, you know, at some point maybe batters are going to catch up to hitting 103 miles
an hour, but I mean, tying that back into like starters, not going as deep and also
them being protected like, Oh, I, my arm hurts a little bit.

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It's not a, it's not a serious injury, but I still feel like I need to get taken out
or the manager decides that for them on their behalf.
And you know, who knows they'll be put on the 15 fucking 15 day injured list.
Or if you have like a slight rib pain and they send you back down in the miners or something

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for like to do a whole rehab stint.
Yeah, but it's like, okay, like fuck.
All right.
That's how you guys want to roll.
I think that, yeah, it has gotten a little bit weird where, I mean, people throwing complete
games is, is not really, it's not really a thing anymore.

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And also complete game shutouts or hell, the possibility of a quote unquote perfect game
thrown by somebody is very slim.
Now, if you're going to this three to five innings for your starting pitchers, and then
essentially now I get it with, like you said, the advent of technology hitters can now scout

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pitchers much better.
So how you combat that is, well, you're only going to see this guy for maybe one at bat
and then you're going to see another guy.
You're going to see a different guy, almost every at bat and hell that might be different
from two guys that batted before you because depending on how the outs go in the innings,
you may see there may be two or three pitchers before you come back up again.

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And so if you've got a starter that goes five and he holds them to two or three earned runs
or just two or three runs in general, okay.
They're pulling his ass the sixth, seventh, eighth and ninth.
That's four fucking innings that you're likely getting one inning at best out of the, some
of these relievers, because there used to be a clear delineation of you had a starting
pitcher that would throw five to seven innings, depending on what kind of a situation they

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were doing that day, what kind of situation they were getting themselves into.
It could be a little shorter.
They might even be able to go a little longer if they're doing better.
Then you would have essentially, you'd have a couple middle relief guys who their whole
job was if the pitcher fucked up prior to this five innings stint, or if he only went
the five innings, you could have somebody come in and throw two to three innings.

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That's what middle relief was.
And then you basically have your closer who comes in and needs to only throw one inning,
three outs, maybe less than that.
Maybe you have, if you're in a world series situation, you know, like the Yankees back
in the day, you bring in Mariano Rivera, because he throws a hundred fucking miles an hour
and he fucking throws six pitches and ends the game like, or whatever, right?

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Like that, that's all you need.
You bring him in for one out if you need it, right?
There was a clear delineation.
Now it's like you have a starting pitcher and everybody else is a closer and that's it.
And they only throw their one inning generally.
It's like a super, I don't know.
And then they have bullpen games.

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So it's like, it's to reset the rotation, to get guys extra days rest, maybe to get
even the, some of the guys in the bullpen that probably haven't pitched in a minute
to get their, you know, some of their innings up to have some practice and shit.
But it's like, fuck dude, like who was a starter now?
Like who's a starter at this point?

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And then as I was saying before, I mean, they're getting six, I mean, depending on whose rotation
we're looking at, some guys are getting like five or six days, especially with the Dodgers.
They have like a five to six man rotation.
So like, who's not getting enough rest to say that they can't start at least six or

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seven innings, even if the earned runs are like fucking, let's say it's three or four.
Sure.
I mean, I think a lot of people would be happy with two earned runs.
Like that'll give you a fair chance to get back with this striking distance and possibly
win the game.
If a runner, if a fucking starting pitcher can get you two runs and anything less than
that, like that's fucking great.

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But if you have, you know, if your offense is capable of generating five to seven runs
a game, then your starting pitchers can extend their time in the game because instead of,
if they're only giving up two runs and your offense has generated five, cool.
They got a little bit of a lead.
So hey, if they start fucking up and they give up two earned runs, you can be like,

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all right, you know what?
Now we'll pull them out.
The lead has been cut down or shit.
If he gives up those two runs and the next inning, you guys come up and put up another
two or three runs for on your offense.
Well, now you've extended your lead and cool.
Now you can leave this guy in and see what he does.
Like you can keep it.
You can keep it going.
And then, yeah, if it happens that, oh, he starts fucking up, you can always pull them

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out.
And yeah, just go to a middle reliever or whatever.
And like I said, Blake, it's like you said, the bullpen has come become sort of like homogenous
now where it's like, who's the starting pitcher?
Who's the fucking miss?
You're either a closer or a fucking starter that goes maybe five if you're, if you're
lucky and then everyone else just gets brought in for their like one inning.
Yeah.
Or shit.

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Maybe there's like one or two, there's like one or two guys that like your super relievers
that can go two or three innings that could eat innings and then get you to your setup
man, like your, your setup man, and then your closer.
Because there's like a gap between the starter and the bullpen.
Right?

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So like your fucking starter couldn't get to six or seven innings to make it basically
the setup man and then the reliever.
So you need like an extra fucking guy in the middle that can eat innings that could keep
you in the game.
But it's like, fuck dude, the time for like 300 game winners or shit, man, I don't even
know if there's 20 games, 20 game winners in a regular season.

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I'm sure we'll see.
We'll see how this season ends, but I'm gonna have to look that up.
But I'm sure, I'm sure the number of people in a season that have thrown a complete game,
I'm sure that's probably gone down probably decade by decade.

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Because I'm, dude, I think we are literally reaching like the last leg of 300 game winners.
I think Max Scherzer was probably like one of the last pitchers that has a 300 wins as
a pitcher.
Maybe fucking Justin Verlander has a, let's look at, can you look that up?

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Yeah, I'm looking up the stats right now to see the year by year.
Okay, this is the baseball almanac.
So year by year, the complete.
By a pitcher, not a combined shutout game.
By a single pitcher?
Yeah.
All right, so.
By a starting pitcher.

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Because they might include a combined shutout game from both the starting pitching and bullpen.
So this looks like it's year by, okay, this is the leaders for complete games.
I just want to see numbers, but okay, so like, I mean, already for 2024, okay, you've only
got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight.

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You got nine guys who've thrown, eight guys who have thrown one complete game in 2024
and Max Fried on Atlanta has thrown two fucking complete games this year.
Oh shit.
All right.
Whereas in 2023, well, this just has the leaders.
There was two guys, the leaders who threw complete games, there was three, was three.

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That was the most thrown.
In 2022, you had the National League had one guy throw six and then the AL had a guy throw
three and then before that it was two and three, two and three.
So this is like the, and yeah, and then if you look at 2017, it was five and two, then
six and five and the numbers went up and then like 2011, there was this one dude threw 11,

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then the National League guy threw eight.
So yeah, over the years it has declined because this is just the leaders.
So if the leaders have declined, that means the total numbers is, yeah, the outliers are
declining.
That means the overall total number of average is lower by quite a bit.
So and yeah, it's ebbed and flowed a little bit, but yeah, it is not nearly as much as

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it used to be.
That's for sure.
And what about three, what about 300 game winners?
All right, let's do that.
Because if guys aren't going as deep to get the win, right.
And the number of people that can be potentially aligned for a 300 game, a 300 win career,

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that probably is like far and few between at this point.
Well, think about this too.
If you've got, and it depends solely where the win is given to is based on the score
at the time the pitcher comes in.
So if you're starting pitcher leaves the game and you guys are losing, if you get a loss,
he gets the loss.
But if you got a guy who comes in and throws one inning and can get a win, well, shit,

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if you only got to throw one inning to get a win, a lot of these closers that are just
doing that, depending on how the teams, the games are played, you could have some closers
with 300 fucking wins pretty easily by just throwing one inning.
It could be because they're able to pitch more often theoretically because if you're
only throwing one fucking inning, you can go a couple of days.
Yeah, I mean, shit, dude, those guys also get their plenty of rest too.

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Right.
That's what I'm saying.
So let's see.
So 300 fucking winners.
Fuck man.
OK, so let's do it by dates.
Let's see.
So the last guy to have a 300 wins was fucking Randy Johnson and he threw that in 2009.
Oh, shit, really?
Yeah, that's the last guy to get 300 fucking wins.

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Who are the next closest guys?
Is there any way to find that out?
Let's see.
Leaders and career wins leaders.
All right, let's do Major League Baseball career wins leaders.
Maybe let's see who the next one on the list.
OK, so shit.
All right, let's do it by wins rank.
Where is this?
You do by year.
I'm going to look this up.
Shit, I don't want to.
I don't want this episode to turn into us just Googling shit.
But just for the sake of me finding out like what the next group of people that could potentially

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be a 300 game winner.
All right.
So Max Scherzer is at right now.
He's at 215.
Oh, fuck.
That's it.
Justin Verlander is at 260.
So I'm looking at these are guys that are active.
Zach Greinke.
These are guys at their end of the career, dude.
Yeah.
Well, that's what I'm saying.
Like they're they're almost out.
So like Clay Kershaw has like 200.

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Yeah, he's not even going to get close.
I don't know what zero means.
What does this mean on here?
Let me I don't know what this these numbers mean to them.
OK, so the total crew wins notes elected to the bold denotes an ad case.
So blue denotes an active player.
So yeah, Justin Verlander is the active player with the highest at 260.

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So he's 40 more wins.
But like, I mean, how much?
No, he's it.
This is it.
Like he's getting towards the end of his career.
How many more years is he wanted to at most?
I don't know.
I don't know.
Can he put together 40 fucking W's in?
No, because that's basically saying that you're going to be a 20 game winner at 37 or however
the fuck old he is at this point, unless he's just got like more in the tank to just be

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a throw fucking gems every time he's out there, which doesn't always happen.
But again, so then the next closest guy is that great.
He is 225.
Oh shit.
And then the next closest guy to him is Max Scherzer with 215.
And then again, Clayton Kershaw with 210.
So these guys aren't making it like there's no fucking way.
Yeah.
So it's like an it's like it's a state basically at this point.

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Yeah, there's no way.
I mean, judging by the fact that nobody's going deep anyways, we're basically seeing
the end of 300 game winners.
Career wins like that's that's going to be a thing of the past.
Oh, yeah, definitely.
When you have games started and here's the other thing.
So games started the highest, obviously, a Cy Young at 800 fucking 15.

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But Zach Greinke is the next closest.
He's the closest active player to that at 541.
He's fucking 300 behind basically in starts.
Justin Verlander is at 519.
Scherzer is at 451.
And fucking what's his name?
Kershaw is not even on this list.
Fucking he did likely hasn't even gotten over 400 starts, which is crazy.

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Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
Just makes you think because it's like I don't know if I'm throwing shade at pitchers, but
for the sake of argument or for the sake of just like talking about shit on the podcast,
I mean, I don't know how you feel about this because to me, like pitchers are my favorite

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thing in baseball, one of my favorite things about baseball, but they're kind of like the
prissy like princesses.
Shit, don't even get me started on this.
They're the prissy princesses and they're the ones end up getting paid the most and
you're not even fucking doing your job and you only have to do it once every five days.
So it's like, what are they fucking paying you for, dude?

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Oh, yeah, and don't even get me started on pictures, man, because listen, as again, as
a guy who was a catcher, who fucking dealt with multiple pitchers and multiple personalities,
they are all pretty, pretty fucking princesses and they do think that they know everything
and therefore I mean, I've read about that a little bit, but I will say this.

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You're only out there once, maybe twice a week.
Like we're out there every single fucking game doing the same shit almost.
And yeah, just calm your tits like you don't get to just walk up and be like, oh, I know
exactly what.
Hold on now.
Yeah, yeah, fuck him in.
It's been a minute.
It's been a week since you've been out here.

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So let me let me catch you up on what's been going down.
Why don't you just fucking shut up and let me fucking handle this.
But they also yeah, like I said, they make the most money for the most part.
And basically being a pitcher is like the prime gig in baseball.
You make the most money.
You do the least amount of work, do the least amount of work.
And like that's like the cheat code to baseball.

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It's true.
I mean, you might as well be, dude, if you're going to be any type of sports athlete, play
fucking baseball because that's where you're going to get paid.
Yeah.
And if anything, be a fucking pitcher because you know what trips me out, man, is that the
Dodgers signed their catcher Will Smith, right?
This guy's doing exceptional.

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I mean, he's throwing dudes out at second base with a 40 percent success rate of like
catching guys stealing, right?
He's hitting 270, which I think is like fair because I know we talk about 300 being exceptional
as a hitter, right?
But I feel like batters or at least for catchers, you can expect their average to be lower than

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fucking most average hitters because shit, they're running the fucking game, dude, like
270 is like 300 to me for a batter in my eyes, right?
Yeah.
So this guy has basically done everything right.
And he got a 10 year, 140 million dollar contract for the Dodgers.
It basically means he's probably going to retire with the Dodgers.

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He's never I don't think you can imagine him going to any other team at this point, right?
But it's like, shit, man.
I mean, I fucking love Yamamoto, dude.
He's my favorite Dodger right now, but he got paid 325 million dollars on top of the
50 dollar posting fee.
So in total, we're talking 370, 375 million dollars, right?

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This guy never pitched a fucking game in the major leagues and they paid him that much
money to come here and pitch once every six days or once every five days.
And Will Smith is out there four to five times every every fucking week.
Daily or weekly.

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And this guy's only going to be paid 140 million.
Knowing that he's probably these are probably to be shot by the end of his career or some
shit.
Oh, yeah, true.
So, OK, so this is this is talk about money real quick.
Do we talk about Bobby Bonilla Day?

(29:15):
Oh, it's deferred payment for a million a million a year.
And it starts this year, I think.
Yeah.
For 25 years.
Yeah, there's like that is like the greatest fucking thing on the history of the planet.
It's it's like and he also he also received he receives two fucking payments.

(29:43):
He receives one point one nine million dollars from the Mets and he also receives a little
bit of money from the Baltimore Orioles.
He receives a half a million dollars a year from the Baltimore Orioles, which they deferred
payment.
OK, this is the thing.
The best part about the Bobby Bonilla story is this this deal was made back in like 2000,

(30:06):
2001, right?
And they owed him five point nine million dollars.
So they said they deferred a deal saying, hey, we'll pay you one point or one million
dollars over 25 years, starting in 20, whatever, 24 or 20 or whatever.
Fuck did the year was?
Yeah.
And it also comes with eight percent interest.

(30:27):
So we're going to percent interest.
Yeah.
So we're going to pay every year is payment goes up eight percent.
It's interest that they're charging on the whole the whole deal.
He has they're paying him eight percent interest.
Hold up.
Hold up.
So it's one million dollars plus eight percent interest.
And then no, it's stacked.
So it's it's the one million dollars.
Yeah.

(30:47):
So then so the first year of the contract is one million dollars.
Then it goes up eight percent the next year.
Then whatever that number is, it's whatever is one million plus eight percent.
That goes up another eight percent.
Another eight percent.
Yeah.
So it's it stacks on itself.
That's what I was asking.
Yeah.
And so so they're going to end up paying him like fucking forty million dollars or whatever
by the end of it.
That's fucking great.

(31:07):
So they originally owed him was five point nine million dollars.
And essentially.
The reason why they said that they wanted to do that was because the owner said, hey,
I have I think that that five point nine million dollars, I'm going to invest that in something
now and it will pay off in spades so we can pay this guy the extra money and we'll make

(31:30):
even more money on this deal where I'm going to pay the five point nine million dollars.
So guess what he did with that money?
He called up his good friend Bernie Madoff and he fucking invested in one of his Ponzi
schemes and lost everything, everything, everything, so much so that I think that they ended up
having to sell the Mets because of the fucking scam.

(31:51):
Yeah, because they were out so much fucking money.
I think Bernie Madoff owned the auto if he owned the Dodgers directly.
But I think there was some company that owned the Dodgers at one point.
It was like Fox or something.
So knowing Bernie Madoff was I mean, he was part of television, wasn't he?
Yeah.

(32:11):
Yeah, I think so.
Let me let me just fact check real quick because I know he was kind of like part of the Bernie
Madoff, the good old con artist himself.
Man.
So for a guy who hasn't played baseball since 2001, he's basically making.

(32:32):
Two million dollars a year.
Nice.
Not playing.
Ken Griffey Jr. also had a similar deal where they deferred fifty seven million dollars.
They paid him three point five million dollars a year over twenty two.

(32:52):
Or what was it?
No, over 16.
Yeah, it was a 16 year.
Fifty seven million dollar deferral.
They paid him three and a half million dollars a year for over 16 years.
I was fucking Fox Entertainment Group that owned the Dodgers at one point.
But I don't know why I was thinking Bernie Madoff was tied with that shit.
But then he fuck.
I mean, he's basically like a con artist with all the shit he did.

(33:20):
But yeah, so so there's a lot of these deferred payment deals like like the Shohei deal.
It's not original.
It's not original.
They did.
They just defer payment and hoping that they would die is basically what they were either
that or.
Yeah, I mean, to be more descript, they tell them the lie now.
Yeah, it's like, oh, we'll never pay it back.

(33:42):
Or if we do end up selling the team, sell the team and the fucking next person is going
to be the person to fucking deal with it.
They'll have to deal with it.
We won't fucking ever have to worry about paying this money back, which is funny because
now it's probably pennies to the new owner who is Steve Cohen, which is another guy that's
like in another fucking guy that's investing in investing.

(34:03):
So kind of comes a little full.
Oh, I don't know if it's full circle, but at least it's funny.
It's coincidental that the thing that probably brought down the ownership was Bernie Madoff,
who was an investor in all that shit.
And now there's an investor that owns the fucking the Mets.
Yeah, exactly.
Speaking of the fucking Mets, Katie and I are going to the Angels game on August the

(34:26):
third where they will be playing the Mets and likely we will lose because they're they're
doing decent.
I mean, they're at five hundred, but we are not.
We are below five hundred.
So fucking hey, hooray.
Fucking we'll probably lose to the goddamn Mets.
But it'll be interesting to see.
So yeah, I'm sitting in some sweet ass seats in right field front row.
Hopefully I can get your home run ball.

(34:46):
My glove probably be Mets ball.
I'm not throwing it back.
Fuck those.
Fuck that.
I don't care who it is.
I'm keeping that shit.
And you know what I'm going to do instead of throwing it.
I'm going to get a game run instead of throwing it out.
I'm going to auction it off.
Yeah.
Fucking on eBay to fund game rates.
You probably get 50 cents for it because they're better than nothing.
I have to pay eBay money to lose money on the deal.

(35:07):
There was like this whole fucking thing with Grimace from McDonald's.
He appeared at the Mets and pretty much since his appearance, there were seven and oh,
and then they finally lost.
But everybody was thinking that this was going to be the equivalent to like the rally monkey
for the angels that he was going to be the guy that turned the Caesar around.
But I actually don't know what the record has been since that happened because it's

(35:32):
probably been a couple of weeks, if not like a month.
Yeah.
Well, there, I mean, like I said, they're exactly at 500 right now.
I think they're, what is it?
40 and 40 or whatever.
Shit is better than probably what most people expected of them.
Yeah, of course.
Of course it is.
So anyways, getting back to the topic of just.
Pictures are assholes.
Pictures being assholes and all that.
Little bitches and little bitches.

(35:53):
Yeah.
Pussies and pussies.
Yeah, I mean, it's true, dude.
Like I can't say it enough, but fuck man like this.
OK, a pitcher.
Oh, God, I threw this ball a little too hard.
Oh, my God.
My shoulder hurts.
Yeah.
Well, the six pitches before that you threw in the dirt that I had to block with my body.

(36:16):
Oh, yeah.
No, no big deal.
Right.
I'm fine.
Take my fingernail.
Oh, I got a blister.
When I was cutting my fingernails so that I could throw my knuckleball perfectly, I did
one a little bit.
It was like two millimeters too deep and I just it just burned so bad.
I got a blister on my finger.
I don't know if I could throw that curve ball.
Oh, just give fuck.
And then on top of that, the top of that, you can't even be consistent.

(36:40):
It's I don't know.
I'm just not feeling my fucking my splitter today.
I tried practicing and it just I don't know if I can throw it.
My asthma.
I don't know.
There's just too much grass in the field.
I don't know if I think my hay fever is acting up a little.
Go fuck yourself.
All right.
If you're a pitcher and you do that, go fuck yourself.

(37:01):
Oh, my God.
I just want I just want to be a I don't want to be a bullpen pitcher because I feel like
they get the most shit and they they make so so few appearances.
Most of them like they say this.
The bullpen is the most fun.
Like that is the most fun spot on the in the dugout on the team because you literally just

(37:22):
fuck around all the all the time.
And then literally when you get called, you're fucking around constantly and then you get
called to actually need to immediately do work.
Right.
So like you're just constantly fucking around and then oh shit.
And then back in the day, fuck man, I was going to say another reason just to rally
back on that.
I think that the reason why it's declined for starting pitchers is because the MLB started

(37:44):
testing for cocaine.
That's that's really what I think the main problem is.
Yeah.
And yeah, dude can throw nine innings fucking and maintain 95 to 100 miles an hour if he's
doing tons of blow.
That is for sure a possibility.
And I think that Major League Baseball needs to unban every substance and allow anything

(38:05):
and everything to let's make the game interesting.
I need to see a freak show.
Fucking let Scott Steiner fucking go up and fucking hit.
All right.
The numbers don't lie.
I want to I want to see Scott Steiner at the plate facing a coped out fucking like Roberto
or what's his name?
Mariano Rivera type dude from I want to see some dude from the Dominican who throws fucking

(38:28):
one hundred and six miles an hour.
And he just he's all he does is he has a tube hooked into his nose and a pouch in his pocket
that's just full of cocaine.
He's got the finger like the long fingernail.
That's how he throws.
He gets some extra dirt on his knuckleball.
Yeah, because of that long fingernail that he starts coke out of.
Yeah.
I want to see a right fielder fucking loaded on coke so he can throw 200 miles an hour

(38:49):
to fucking the whole plate.
He throws it from the warning track to home plate straight.
He throws a guy out from laser.
Throw the fucking laser to third base on a triple.
So much so that they're going to have to reinforce the gloves with fucking titanium so that you
can catch the ball.
That's that's what I want to fucking see.
Yeah.
So anyways, yeah, pictures are assholes.

(39:12):
What was I on about right before that?
Fuck, I lost myself.
I don't know.
We were just talking about like how they they don't go as deep and load load.
I think they're the bullpen.
That's how the bullpen is the most fun.
And I do think that like even back in the day they would just sit in the bullpen and
they drink and they fucking just do whatever.

(39:32):
Like and then guys would be rolling up loaded out of their mind.
Fucking OK, cool.
We're going to I'm going to throw my fucking two innings and go away.
You know, you know, it's badass.
OK, like if we're talking about pictures, right?
Yeah, like.
OK, granted, you probably end up like the kicker for the NFL, right?
Yeah.
Nobody notices when you do something right.

(39:53):
But everybody fucking blames you when everything goes wrong.
But when it comes to like the closer, right, it's kind of like the same situation.
But you also kind of get a sweet deal because no no other pitcher gets like a whole fucking
presentation.
The same way that a closer does, because I mean, I remember fucking Eric Gagne with the

(40:13):
Dodgers like they the lights would flicker and all this bullshit and they would play
guns and roses.
They'd play Welcome to the Jungle.
It was like a whole theatrical thing.
Like what other pitcher actually gets that?
Because at the start of the game, you just warm it up and then you get right to playing
baseball right like the first inning.
But as far as like a spectacle goes, the closer ends up getting the most shit done for them.

(40:37):
And they only pitch one inning most times.
Yeah, it's it's it's ridiculous.
Just just to say about fucking debauchery and baseball back in the day.
I mean, the infamous Wade Boggs fucking story where he went on a cross country flight from
Boston to L.A. and the original report was a drink, 107 beers, seven beers.

(41:02):
That was the urban legend.
He confirmed later.
Still impressive.
It was less.
He confirmed he drank 73 beers on a cross country flight.
No way.
And that's just the type of shit that was going on back then.
Like cirrhosis.
Oh, for sure.
Cirrhosis.
There's there's an urban legend that when David Wells threw his his perfect game that

(41:24):
he was fucking so hung over that like he drank like a fucking fish the night before some
shit and he was super hung over.
I don't know if that's true, but that's like a rumor that always has been going around.
Yeah, I believe it.
That's that's believable.
So there's there's besides because now that we're on the subject of like alcohol, I think
there was like a rumor about Frank Thomas eating like I don't know how many hot dogs

(41:46):
or some shit.
I don't know if you could look that up because that was like a funny one.
But since like we had Fourth of July and the fucking Nathan's hot dog eating contest, that's
a sport.
All right.
Yeah, it is.
I mean, shit, I'd be throwing up if I did that shit.
But hot dogs.
Let's see.
Frank Thomas and had a White Sox fan.

(42:07):
Well, let's see.
Sorry.
Big ups to Badlands.
What's the name?
Badlands Booker.
Yeah, well, it's Badlands on his YouTube channel is called Badlands Badlands Chugs.
But his gimmick or his monikers Badlands.
Yeah, chugging fucking a gallon of lemonade.
Fucking what?

(42:27):
Dude, 21 seconds.
But the funny thing is, dude, if you watch his channel because he releases videos like
on a weekly basis, right?
He does that shit consistently.
So it's like, who's actually going to compete with him?
Because this is literally this is literally his fucking job, dude, is to just drink shit
quick.

(42:48):
It's like this whole fucking existence.
It was funny.
There was a fucking guy next to him that couldn't keep it in.
Yeah, he was throwing up.
He was like, and he was like, Badlands was like kind of like, hey, man, I hope you're
all right or whatever.
But he was kind of like ushering him off.
Yeah, he's like, dude, I need my photo.
Yeah, like I need my photo.

(43:08):
He looks over to the host.
He's like, hey, this isn't going to work for me, brother.
Yeah, this ain't going to work for me, brother.
This fucking asshole.
Get this amateur hour out of here.
Fuck man, I'm trying to find that thing you said about the fuck.
There was some guy because it was like a subreddit for there was a subreddit for talking about

(43:29):
this specific situation.
And somebody made the joke like, oh, the world's first case of tribe.
He's it might be fucking sex of BDs because it's fucking Jesus Christ.
It's hilarious.
Oh my God.
I'm going to have to look up that that fucking hot dog thing because there was like some

(43:53):
baseball player that ate like a dozen or 20 hot dogs or some shit.
But that's that's going to be for another time.
But I guess in closing, just to make a note, man.
So talking about the WNBA, there's no other person to talk about.
But the fucking then Caitlin Clark, dude, she put a triple double up, which is impressive.

(44:14):
So if you're not familiar with the triple double, that's rebounds.
It's fucking assists and points scored.
So she got double digits in those three categories, which is like as a rookie, dude, which there
is no there.
She's one of one when it comes to that, which is fucking crazy.
It's really sad, dude, because you watch her play and you could tell she's playing 40 chess

(44:38):
when everybody else is playing fucking checkers.
Yeah, checkers.
And I mean, she's thinking of shit.
I mean, she's making amazing passes and everything.
Right.
And all these people have to do is just like a layup or just throw the ball up and get
it in the hoop.
And you can just see her sigh on the court or just dip her head because I mean, the teammates

(45:00):
are like way behind her as far as like school school goes.
So I'm like, fuck, man, she's really being held back by just the whole league.
She should be playing with fucking men, dude, at this point.
I mean, she's probably better than a lot of dudes in the NBA to be honest.
I mean, it's possible shit, but I'm just laughing at the fact that she's probably in the short

(45:21):
tenure of her career, she's probably surpassed like pretty much fucking everybody in her
first couple of months.
And I don't know, it's fucking impressive, dude.
It's it's I mean, she's shooting like, I actually don't know if they have the three point line
reduced for the WNBA as opposed to like what the standard court is for what standard court

(45:46):
is for men.
But dude, she's shooting like three pointers from like 10 or 15 feet back from from the
three point line.
I'm just like, shit, dude, she looks like Steph Curry, man.
She knows how to play the fucking game.
She can shoot, she can she can do everything.
And I'm just like, man, we're not really going to appreciate her until she's fucking gone.

(46:09):
Or maybe it's going to take people a minute.
It's like, do people even know what's fucking happening?
No, nobody gives a shit.
I don't think people care about the WNBA.
I honestly want to.
I don't know.
I not because it does seem kind of traitorish to like go like to jump into a new sport.
Well, I mean, it's not new.

(46:29):
But to say finally, OK, now I'm going to be interested in WNBA, but then also by a fucking
Indiana fever jersey like that feels kind of fucking scummy.
I don't know why.
But who cares?
I do want to I do want to say, hey, like we should start repping WNBA shit because why
the fuck not?
That's now.
Now it's relevant again.
I'm all I mean, it's relevant.

(46:50):
Now, I don't know if it was the first time maybe not again.
Maybe it's now finally relevant.
That's maybe the right way to say it.
But yeah, Caitlin Clark, Angel, they're all fucking they're they're making this shit happen.
This again, it's it's primarily Caitlin Clark, but it's it's it's the combination of all
of these rookies that have come in.
And yeah, because that girl, what's her name?

(47:13):
I think it's like Cameron Brink.
Yeah, the third one, the third, the other, the nine foot tall one that tore her ACL camera
breaks if I think I think your name's right.
Yeah, Cameron Brink.
She plays for the LA Spark.
Yeah.
And I ended up getting injured.
But yeah, I think there's definitely people, at least for young girls or people that are

(47:33):
interested in that are already interested in the WNBA.
I mean, this has definitely been like a real treat for them.
But I don't know.
I mean, sure.
Like it still feels like it's the footnote for talk radio for sports.
Yeah, this is not I don't know if this is like a full on talking point, but at least

(47:53):
she's making she's getting herself in the conversation.
She's basically doing it by herself.
And there's also like this other shit, do you like and I don't know if it's I mean,
it's it's getting somewhat racial because there's people that go on TikTok.
They're like, oh, fuck this white girl.
And they're like going for Angel Reese because she's black.

(48:15):
And it's like, oh, you know, here comes this white girl drawing all the attention while
Angel Reese is on the Chicago Chicago sky being just as impressive.
But they're making it about color.
My holy shit, dude.
People could find like the minute the most minute thing to like pick a part about somebody

(48:37):
when they're really accomplishing like really amazing things within the sport itself.
But they're taken away from that just because of the color of their skin.
It's like, so so fuck what if she's white?
And so the fuck what if she's black, brown, blue, green, yellow?
Who gives a fuck what color they are?
They're these these women are bringing a breath of fresh air into a sport that nobody has

(48:58):
given a shit about historically since its inception.
It's its inception.
Let's just be honest.
Yeah.
And I think that people need to show a little more respect to these women that are in there
doing this thing.
And don't muddy the waters by bringing race or whatever into it.
This shit.
And just it's sports.

(49:19):
It's it's it's all about who's fucking good and who's not essentially.
And for fun.
It's yeah, it's it's it's for funsies.
It's not for the end of the world.
It's not it's not for fucking to see which country is going to take over another country.
It's it's for funsies.
So let's just appreciate the fact that women's basketball is actually.

(49:44):
In the limelight.
What did you miss?
It's legitimate.
And let's all just say what the good depositives are going to be from this.
It's going to be collectively.
They're going to all get better salaries out of this deal with more money that's coming
in from advertisers and more money that's coming in to the NBA or the WNBA or whatever.
People these ladies are going to start getting paid more money and shit.

(50:08):
There's nothing wrong with that.
Fuck.
I mean, dude, if you want anything out of Caitlin Clark doing anything, it's like whole
week.
Hopefully the level of basketball has also gone up.
Yeah.
Hopefully that will elevate.
And that's the other thing that's going to force people to come up to her level.
Right.
Maybe maybe some of the people that are there now aren't capable of that.

(50:30):
They're going to be weeded out as more and more people are brought to the front forefront
that have this higher level of talent.
It's going to make the game more interesting, I think.
So yeah, I do want to go to a WNBA game just to go to one.
I'm curious because I would actually just like to see what the attendance is for the

(50:52):
LA spark and to see what she does.
Yeah.
Shit, man.
It'd be cool to see.
It'd be interesting to see what the attendance was last year, like the average crowd, because
they end up covering most of the seats with a black screen so that it's only the first
the floor section and then just a couple of sections above, a couple levels above.

(51:17):
But just from what I've been seeing as far as her traveling to other stadiums or arenas,
dude, she's selling out like shit at the top, like the fucking nosebleed shit.
So that's just the impact that she's had in the short amount of time, dude.
It's fucking crazy.
It is crazy.
And hopefully it'll continue to go well.

(51:40):
I mean, you know?
Yeah.
So anyways, well, I guess that's pretty much the end of the episode.
That's pretty much all I had.
So cool.
I mean, that was a good one.
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If you're a pitcher, don't fuck follow us.
Just get fucked.
All right.
I'm just I just had to say that I we don't want you around.
We don't need any softies.
All right.
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