Is There A God? An atheist perspective.

In this episode, the Bald Bros discuss the idea of God from an atheists perspective. The discussion centers around the arguments made by Bertrand Russell, a famous atheist that wrote an essay entitled "Why I Am Not A Christian". In this episode we discuss Bertrand's first two arguments of why he does not believe in God. The first argument is that of the First Cause and the second argument is that of Divine Design. 

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Welcome to Cirque to Soul, theonly uncut.
Unedited podcast that isdedicated to helping you to find
spiritual peace in your life.
Kim, this is the second episodein our series of Is There a God?
Hey, every, how Is, how'severybody doing today?
Had a great week.
Last week, um, last episode, wetalked about the belief in God.

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We focused on what does it meanto be an agnostic.
We started off by playing avideo from Neil Degas Tyson, who
by the way, is a very, veryfamous, smart person.
But this week we will explorewhat it means to be an atheist,
and towards the end of thissection, we will delve deeper
into the differences betweenWestern beliefs and Eastern

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beliefs that will be fun andenlightening.
So to start, the first questionis, what does it mean to be an
atheist?
Okay.
The definition of atheism.
It's not an affirmative beliefthat there is no God nor does it
answer any other question aboutwhat a person believes.
It is simply a rejection of theassertion that there are Gods

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atheism and agnostic distinctviews regarding the existence of
a God or Gods, but there are notmutually exclusive atheism is a
disbelief in or denial of theexistence of a God of Gods.
Agnosticism is the view that theexistence of a God or gods is

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not knowable.
A person can be both an atheistand agnostic, meaning they don't
believe in any God or gods, andalso believe that it's
impossible to know definitivelyif one exists.
Okay, that's a greatintroduction.
Uh, you know what?
As a starting point.

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Let's start by reading somethingfrom a famous atheist.
You know, much like we did lastweek reading something from a
famous agnostic, let's do thatfor an atheist.
Mm-hmm.
There was this guy by the nameof Beran Russell, who was an
avowed atheist.
Now Russell, he was a Britishphilosopher, a logician, a

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mathemat mathematician, and apublic intellectual.
He's another smart guy.
He had influence on mathematicslogic.
He set theory and various areasof analytic philosophy.
Now, he had four things, well,five or six things that, uh, he

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believed in that, that drove hisidea of being an atheist.
The first one was he thoughtthat there was a lack of
evidence, a lack of evidence ofa God.
He said this.
Stemmed from his inability tofind any evidence for the
existence of God, as he wasdeeply concerned with the
question of God's existence froma young age.

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So he had started studying thisat a young age.
Mm-hmm.
He also wrote this thing called,why I Am Not a Christian.
And in this essay he explicitlydisclaims belief in God and
immortality.
And he laid out four reasons.
Now we're gonna get to that parta little bit later, and that's
why our discussion is gonnacenter on this, uh, essay of why

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I'm not a Christian.
Mm-hmm.
Now, he also had criticisms oftraditional arguments.
He challenged the, uh, I guesscosmological argument and other
arguments for God's existence,just arguing that they were not
logically sound.
And then the next thing he said,there's the burden of proof.

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He emphasized that the burden ofproof rested on those that were
making the claims about God'sexistence.
And in his opinion, he foundthat that available evidence, it
was insufficient to support theidea that there was a God.
Two more here, humanism.
Now he was a strong advocate forhumanism.

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He believed that humans shouldfocus on their own lives and
destiny.
Without relying on religious orsupernatural explanations.
And the last thing he said wasthat fear was the basis of
religion.
That's a strong one.
He believed that religion isoften rooted in fear of the

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unknown, fear of death, uh,desire for security.
And he saw all of these asnegative influences.
Now that's, that's just asummarization of what, what
we're trying, so.
What do you have to say aboutthat?
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
He made some good points andthings we've often thought about

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too.
Uh, so it seems that his wholeargument is based on the idea
that you can't prove theexistence of God.
I mean, he, he doesn't believein the idea of faith.
Correct.
Uh, now he wrote that essay onwhy he was not a Christian, and
again, in that essay he laidout.

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Five arguments a few minutesago.
I told you we were gonna talkabout these arguments and we're
gonna have a, a brief discussionon these five arguments.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, now I don't know if we'llget through all of these a
today, but we'll see where itgoes.
Okay?
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
So let's go through these far.
The first one, the firstargument, and he believed that,
um, it's maintained thateverything that we see in this

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world has a cause.
So it's like saying, you know.
You and I are here because ofmom and dad, right?
So they were the cause of usbeing here.
Mm-hmm.
And if you keep going backfurther and further, he believes
that everything has to have acause.
So if you keep going backfurther and further, you come to

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a first cause.
And that first cause we give tothe name of God.
Now if everything must have acause, then God's God must have
a cause also.
You know, there's no reason.
The world could not have comeinto being without a cause.
Or on the other hand, if thereis any reason, why should that

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have always existed?
Mm-hmm.
There's no reason to supposethat the world had a beginning
at all, uh, and that the ideathat things must have a
beginning, he says, is reallydue to our small thinking or
imagination.
And when he says that, he'ssaying, you know, it's very
simple minded to think thateverything is a first cause and

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that that's because.
That's why we're here today.
Right?
So what do you think about that?
Yeah, you know what, I've oftenthought about that.
Um, and I guess my mind cannotcomprehend even a beginning.
I, I just don't, you know, therehas to be a beginning, but I
can't even comprehend how thatbeginning would begin.

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How, what, how did God exist?
You know?
I mean, right.
I just can't, I just can'tcomprehend that.
So I try not even to think aboutit'cause it just blows my mind.
Uh, but there has to, it, it hasto be a beginning.
I mean, I just don't understandhow I could not, you know.
Yeah.
You know, I think that that's,this is a hard argument because

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I don't think we'll ever know.
Right.
The whole idea that it was justGod in the beginning.
And then everything was, uh,created by God.
So this happened, and then thiscreated something.
This happened and createdsomething, but everything
started with God.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
That's, I guess, where we getinto the faith thing.

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Uh, yeah.
I, you know, if we talked aboutthis, well, the, the thing is
we're never gonna know.
Right?
And his argument that, There isa first cause and if God is the
first cause, then who caused Godto come into existence?
Exactly right.
Was there a bigger God or wasthere something else?

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Yeah.
And this is where he's saying,our thinking is so small, we'll
never know.
Yeah, exactly.
I I, I totally agree with thatbecause my mind just can't
comprehend it.
I, I, I just can't.
Could be.
There has to be, in my mind,there has to be a beginning,
even if it was from a littlebitty.
Micro sale.
How did that micro sale getthere?

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You know?
So you saying how did that microsale become God?
Yes.
I mean, it's gotta be, in myopinion, there just has to be
some kind of beginning.
But like you said, we just can'tcomprehend it.
We'll never know.
Right.
And it, but it's worth talkingabout.
I mean, we can open up and likehe says, our thinking is so
small.

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Why do we think that it has tobe a God that caused the
beginning?
Why couldn't it be somethingelse?
And I don't know what thatsomething else is.
It's just the fact that it's Godand he's saying it could be
anything else.
We we're so simple minded.
That, that's all we think it is.
Well, we've been taught tobelieve that, you know, since,

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you know, since we were little.
That's God is God.
You know?
That's what we've been taught tobelieve and we can't imagine
anything else.
But it's like what he's sayingis it could be something else.
We just never thought about it,you know?
Well, let me ask this question,'cause this is something I've
thought about often.
Mm-hmm.
We've been taught to think thisway, but how did we get to the

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point that we were thinking thisway?
How did we get to the point tothinking that, it was a God?
Yeah.
How did we get to that point?
Oh boy.
Yeah.
You know, I, I, yeah.
See those are some goodquestions.
You know, those are some goodquestions because we were taught
to believe that there's God, anduntil you really start

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questioning things.
You don't really care.
You just know that there's Godand that's it.
It's until you start evolvingand start questioning things,
then you go back to that cause.
Right.
What caused it?
What caused cause?
Cause, okay.
And then you, you keep goingback and then we just, I don't
know.

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Right.
We just don't know.
Well, do you believe if we werelike Buddha and we were centered
on ourselves and trying toconnect, do you think we'd get
an answer?
Or is it just a connection?
I think, uh, yeah, you knowwhat?
I think if you get to thatlevel, I think you, uh,

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probably, oh God, it's hard tosay because we, we are just not
there.
But you would like to think thatJesus knew.
Because it said in the Bible, inthe beginning was the word, and
the word was with God, and theword was God.
I would like to think that, uh,Christ, let's put that way
Christ knew, and Buddha and Bob,g and Krishna and all, I, I

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would like to think that, uh,once they got to the higher
level that they, they know, andthey even both Boo and Jesus
both said, how can I explainthis to you where you can't even
understand the simple thingsthat I'm telling you?
So they wouldn't, they didn'teven try to explain it to'em
because we are struggling withthe simple things that they were
telling us.
But, that's so kind of telling,I mean, they're saying the

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simple things.
Yeah.
Well, what's, what's thedifficult things?
Did they get to Yeah.
A higher level that theyunderstood the difficult things
and, you know, yeah.
They looked at us as simple.
Yeah.
I, I think they, you know, eventhings as if like evolving, I
think they try to explain thatto us and.
A lot of times we just don'teven get that part, which is

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simple for them.
It's simple.
And, uh, so if, if we, if theyfeel like that's simple and we
can't even comprehend that, howcan they explain to us,, the
upper, upper, upper, higherlevel evolution?
There's no way we can understandit.
I remember there was a bookcalled, um.
Something with lousy, I can'tpronounce his name, but I think

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you know what I'm talking about.
Lao or whatever.
Yeah.
And in his book, he said howfrustrating it must have been
for Jesus to, to talk aboutthese things and they still
couldn't comprehend it.
Right.
How frustrating it must havebeen to him.
So.
Uh, I think we're on a, also inthat book conversations with

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God, it said we're still at thekindergarten level.
Right.
You know, we're still at thekindergarten level.
So, um, to them it's the simplethings and it's hard if it's
hard for us to even believe,understand the simple things.
Then they have, they even try toexplain, the top, top
evolutionary phase of living.
Right.
Okay, so let's get back to thetopic.

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Of mm-hmm.
You know what, uh, Tron says?
Mm-hmm.
Uh, and his thing was the firstcause argument.
Mm-hmm.
If we don't understand are, weare too simple to understand the
first cause argument are,, thereis no first cause and he doesn't
believe in it.
I, I wonder what, what's ourfuture like as humans?

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If we can't understand thesimple things.
Yeah.
There's a lot of evolution thathas to happen within us.
To be able to get to the pointthat, uh, that, uh, Babaji or,
or Jesus or Buddha was at.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Uh,, I think, uh, we, we justhave to, I think we can't look

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too far ahead because, theyalways said,, live day by day in
this moment by moment and tojust do our best each moment if
we, if we really worry about,uh, trying to get to that upper
level.
We're probably just missing outon the everyday evolution, so I

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don't think we can comprehend itfrom where we're at now.
I don't think so.
I can't speak for everybodyelse, but I don't think we can
comprehend it from where we arenow.
So we just try to do our besteach day.
Well, I don't think we canreally worry about, uh uh, I
don't think we can worry about.

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The cause of how it all started,Uhhuh, I just don't think we
can.
Okay.
Well, you know what?
When I hear things, it makes meask more questions.
If we can't understand it orit's too smart, we're trying to
live every day, then how do weprogress?
How do we progress if we haveto, if we truly believe that

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there is a God?
And even amongst this argumentthat, uh, patron makes that,
this first cause and it has tobe something else.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
The basis of all of this has tobe faith.
Yeah.
I mean, it's just faith.
Right, right, right.
Um, because we don't know, andso you just have to believe.

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And which is where faith comesin.
We just believe that there's aGod and God started it off.
That's just our faith.
Right.
You know, that's the belief.
And uh, until, I guess until weevolved and no more, that's just
what we believe.
I'm not saying you can'tquestion it, you can question
it.
Uh, but I think just for me, Ithink time is better served

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than.
To try to live each day and tryto do, try to love people and
try to live that Christconscious, right, or the Buddha
conscious or whatever.
Try to live that each day, and Ithink the more you do it each
day, you'll, you, you're goingto keep evolving to get to that
point, okay?
Rather than looking at thatpoint and saying, I wish I was
there, but you just live eachday.

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I trying to live Christ's life.
Right.
Okay.
Well, yeah, look, I'm gonna goto the next session.
There's four of these sections.
Okay.
Yeah.
And I've read through this andI'm sure you've read through it
also, but when we come to someof these other sections, the
last three arguments that hehas, it's gonna come back to
this first argument also.

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And it's gonna open up morediscussion, but Right.
Let's move forward for now onhis second argument.
Uh, that, uh, he doesn't believein God.
And this called argument fromdesign.
Uh, he says, we all know thatargument from design means that
everything the world is madejust so, so that we can manage

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to live in the world.
Like, the, the air that webreathe is 21% oxygen.
Mm-hmm.
And so it's perfect for ourhuman bodies.
It was designed, the air wasdesigned to be 21% oxygen so
that our bodies could live inthis world.
Mm-hmm.
So that is just an one exampleof this argument from design

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and, uh, it can be, uh, trying.
Um, but when you come to lookinto the argument from design, I
think it's, uh, most astonishingthing that people.
Can't believe that this worldand all the things in it with
all its defect, all of thethings that are wrong, that this

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is the best, that the omnipotentand omniscient God has been able
to produce in a million years.
See, that's, that's pretty hard,Yeah.
When we look at all the stuffthat's going after a million
years, if God is perfect andeverything else, this is the
best that he can do.
And he says, I really can'tbelieve it.
And he has an example.

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So do you think if you weregranted omnipotence and
omniscience and millions ofyears in which to perfect the
world, could you produce nothingbetter than the Ku Klux can?
Mm-hmm.
So I'm like, eh, okay.
I understand your argument.
What do you think?
Yeah.

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Wow.
Hmm.
Okay.
This is really gonna get deephere.
Okay?
Okay.
This go, this goes into for thisearth, okay.
I believe in life on otherplanets too.
Okay?
Okay.
Okay.
And for earth.
How did we, I know the Biblesays that God created man, poof.

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Right, right.
Poof.
You know what I mean?
Yep.
Okay.
But in reality, I shouldn't sayin reality'cause honestly we
don't know.
But my belief is, we had toevolve from something small.
We just evolved.
Evolved.
That's why it's taken millionsof years.
Okay.
Evolve, evolve, evolve.

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And we evolve.
Because of the design of theplanet.
I don't think the planet wasdesigned around us.
I think we evolved based on thedesign of the planet.
Well, you're trying to get ashot again.
I'm, let's get deeper.
Okay.
Okay, go ahead.
Okay.
Okay.

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Because once you evolve, I mean,even, if you think about animals
and plants, they evolve.
To, to get stronger, to livelonger, right.
I mean, that's just the way itis.
And humans too.
We now we're 6, 5, 6, 6, 200years ago.
What were they?
5 3, 5 4.
I mean, it's just, we evolvedbased on the planet, right.

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On how it was designed.
Okay.
And yeah.
And so, uh, that's why's takenmillions and millions of years.
Because we just slowly evolved.
Okay.
Slowly evolved.
Slowly evolved, and uh, so Ithink we're gonna continue to
evolve.
Yep.
Based on the plan.
That was an episode in StarTrek, with Track is here.

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Yep.
Yep.
It was an episode in Star Trekwhere they went to this, uh,
planet and Captain Kirk had tofight this dinosaur creature,
whatever.
Yeah, I remember that.
Yeah.
But he had to put all theseelements together to form a
weapon.
Right.
This, this world has all theseelements and you know, whatever
it's already designed, it's justup to us to evolve, to use them

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to the best of our ability forour involvement.
Okay.
For And so yeah, we mentionedthe Ku Klux Klan or whatever,
but hopefully two to 300 yearsfrom now.
We we're gonna be involved fromthat.
That's, we're gonna look back onhistory.
Like that is just nuts, Well,let me stop right there.
Okay.
What, what Beron was saying wasif you have a God that's all

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powerful Yeah.
And everything else.
Yeah.
And he's had a a million yearsto develop us.
Yeah.
Then why is something like theKu Klux can right around.
Okay.
If we were truly trying todevelop, if God was truly trying
to develop something.
And it's, he's all powerful andall good.

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Mm-hmm.
And it's been a million years,is the best that he can do is to
have the Ku Klux Klan around.
I got an answer for that.
Okay.
Because he gives us free choice.
We, it's our choice is specimenson this earth, to live the way
we see fit.
Whether it's good or bad or K,K, K, whatever.

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Right?
He gives us a choice.
He doesn't interfere in ourchoices.
I shouldn't say he, God does notinterfere in our choices.
So it's a slow evolving, andGod, we said the K, k, K, I
don't think it was God's.
Plan I should.
It's, it's sticky because we sayGod is all knowing and all doing

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whatever.
Right.
But, but, uh, he gives us, Godgives us free choice and it's up
to us to evolve to get past someof those, uh, not so great
things.
Okay.
Okay.
Alright.
That's why it takes millions ofyears.
I just think it's, God gives usfree choice.
Okay.
Well I'm gonna pose anotherquestion to you'cause I wanna

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throw another monkey wrench intothis.
All right.
We talk about evolving, Mm-hmm.
And I, I agree with you.
The earth was not put here toevolve around us.
The Earth was here and we'veevolved, to the earth.
Right?
Okay.
Um, so the Great SPX and theGreat Pyramids mm-hmm.

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They've been around forthousands of years.
Now, right now that we don'thave the technology to be able
to build the hins or thepyramid.
Mm-hmm.
We, at this point, and in man'slife on earth, we don't have the
technology to build the spinks,the pyramid, not the not, not as

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perfect as it is now.
Right.
Period.
So when we talk about, evolvingour, our, our, first cause or
whatever mm-hmm.
How would you explain that?
Where does those things comefrom?
Yeah.
And I don't think people thinkabout that, but where did those
things come from?
Right, right, right.
I, I always try to studydifferent things and there's all

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kind of different stories about,uh, civilizations.
From different planets and theycome here and, uh, they've given
man this wisdom to do things andthey've helped man, aliens, I
guess is what we wanna call'emnow.
Uh, maybe, maybe aliens came whoare, who are, in that book, uh,

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conversations with God, theycall'em HEBs, highly evolved
beans, right?
And, uh, maybe the highlyevolved beans from another solar
system, planet, whatever.
Traveled here and gave, eitherhelped us, gave us, gave us the
knowledge to do it and moved on,or, I don't know.
But it, that is, that is, uh, agood question because those, uh,

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pyramids, man, that's amazing.
And until.
Recently, I'd say maybe 10 yearsago.
I didn't realize how big theywere.
Right.
They are huge.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And the stones that were, thatthey were built off, I mean,
each one of those stones weighsa few tons.
Yes.
Each stone weighs a few tons.
I heard another interesting, um,theory and that theory was that,

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uh, this is the seventh comingof man.
We are living in the seventhcoming of man.
In other words, there have beensix.
Different times where somethinglike humans have been on earth,
okay?
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
And, uh, at some point in timewe die out.
I see.

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Okay.
I get, so it's very possible ifyou want to believe this theory
that, there was, uh, the sixthcoming of man and, they had
progressed technology wise wherethey could build the pyramids,
but it's something happened forthat.
Uh, time where humans orwhatever it was died out.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I've, I've heard something likethat before too.
Uh, I, I didn't hear somethinglike the seventh, whatever, but
I seventh coming.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I did hear about, I, I readabout something like that too,
because you have, Lost cities,like they always said, the lost
city of Atlantis.
Yes.
Or the Amazon women were incharge and all that.

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Uh, there's gotta be some truthto that.
Right.
There has to be some truth tothat.
So, uh, that's interesting.
And, uh, I kind of believe it.
I mean, we, there had to be somekind of great technology for,
for those pyramids to be madelike that, so, right.
And yeah.
Yeah.
So, I mean, it's just aquestion.

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And, this again, gets back toPetran.
He's saying, uh, that our, our,our thinking is so small.
Yes.
The idea of design, everythingwas designed for us to be here.
But I think you hit the nail onthe head when you said, this is
the earth and we've evolved tobe able to live here.

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Right?
Yeah.
So, uh, I would rather believethat more than that, uh.
The earth was made and then,humans came because they were
created by God.
God, that sounds sosacrilegious, but, uh, but yeah,
we're part of the earth.
We, we've evolved, and I thinkscience explains, the Bible, as

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on the, yeah.
On the sixth state, uh, man wasmade.
I mean, who's saying that a dayis not, a few million years.
Right.
Exactly.
You know?
Exactly.
So, yeah.
And all we're doing is, uh,we're not trying to tell anybody
what, what to believe.
Just kind of think about it,just open up your mind a little
bit and Right.
Just ponder these things.
You know, we don't want peopleto walk blindly.

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Right.
Uh, we all, we're trying to,what we're trying to do is help
people evolve as well as we'retrying to evolve ourselves.
Right.
And that's what we're doing.
Yeah.
We want people to think and notjust follow something blindly.
Yes.
Okay.
Look, we, I knew that we weregonna get through all this.
We have about, uh, eight minutesleft here.
Uh, okay.

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What I, I think we're gonna do,we're gonna continue this, uh,
this discussion in our next, uh,podcast.
Mm-hmm.
But let's go ahead and jump to,our favorite part of the day.
Okay.
Uh, we got a story and I believeyou had the story.
You want to go ahead and, and dothat.
Sure will.

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Okay, man.
What a great session, Gary.
Yeah.
Okay.
Our story today comes fromLauren in Illinois.
Lauren writes, it was a crisp,autumn evening when my world
shattered.
I remember the phone callvividly, the kind that freezes
time and leaves you gasping forair.

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The officer's voice was calm,almost detached as he explained
to my parents.
He explained that my parents hadbeen in a car accident.
A drunk driver had run a redlight slamming into their car
with devastating force.
They didn't make it sad.
Yeah, I didn't cry at first.
I couldn't process the words.

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Instead, I sat there staring atthe wall as if the sheer act of
disbelief could undo reality.
The days that follows were ablur of condolences, paperwork,
and funeral arrangements.
People kept telling me howstrong I was, how well I was
handling it, but they didn't seethe nights when I curled up in

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bed crying until my chest ate.
They didn't hear the silentscreams.
That echoed in my mind askingwhy?
Why them?
Why them?
Why this?
I remember walking into thehouse after the accident.
The smell of my mom's lavendercandles still lingered in the
air, and my dad's favoritecoffee mugs sat on the counter

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half full.
It was as if they had juststepped out for a moment and
would come back at any time, butthey wouldn't.
The house was a museum ofmemories.
The drunk driver survived.
This was the hardest pill toswallow.
Wow.
Yeah.
He walked away with minorinjuries while my parents paid
the ultimate price for hisrecklessness.

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I wanted to hate him to cursehis name and wish him the worst,
but hate is heavy and I wasalready carrying too much.
Grief is a grief is strange.
It doesn't follow a linear path.
Linear path.
It twists and turns catching youoff guard when you least expect
it.

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Some days I'd feel almostnormal, like I could breathe
again.
Out of nowhere, a song, a smell,or a fleeting thought would
bring it all crashing back.
I've learned that healing isn'tabout forgetting, it's about
finding a way to live with thepain.
My parents wouldn't want me tobe consumed by anger or sadness.

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They'd want me to honor theirmemory by living a life they'd
be proud of.
So I try.
I volunteer at organizationsthat raise awareness about drunk
driving.
I shared their story, hoping itmight prevent someone else from
experiencing this kinda loss.
And on the hardest days, Iremind myself that their love is

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still with me guiding me even intheir absence.
Yeah.
What a great story.
Yeah, that's a great story.
You are right.
I, I went through something likethis when I lost my fiance a
long time ago.
It's Oh yeah.
It's hard.
It's hard, man.
Wow.
Yeah.
Thank you Lauren, for sendingyour story.
Uh, we hope that you have foundsome peace and purpose in your

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life, Lauren.
We believe that your life, thatyour live life experiences, uh,
somebody's playbook for dealingwith the storms in their lives,
your story will help someone tofind the strength to deal with
the storms in their lives.
Okay?
Yeah.
So this will close our podcastfor today.

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Thank you for joining us todayon Cirque De Soul.
We hope that it sparked some newthoughts about the purpose of
life.
Hope it sparked some stuff.
We had a great discussion today.
Yeah, we did.
Yeah.
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It is yours, and you're neveralone Like Lauren, you know
there's always others to helpyou through the storms in your
life.
So take care of yourself.
Take care of the world aroundyou.
Be kind to yourself.
Be kind to the world around you,and until the next time, have a
great day in paradise.

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And I need it to happen.
Happen right away.
But you sit so.
So as I wait on for your, I'llstation myself and drop my
anger.
My, I'm gonna my, until you makeway going, drop my anger, my,

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and rest now.
In the end, I'll win.
Drop my anger.
My anger.
I gonna.