Dance as Medicine: How Partner Movement Rewires Your Brain and Heals Relationships with Jake Trembath

In this illuminating conversation with Jake Trembath, founder of Soul Coast Dance, we explore how partner dance serves as a powerful medium for healing and transformation. Jake shares his journey from post-divorce social dancing to developing a therapeutic approach that helps people rewire neural pathways and heal relationship patterns.

The episode reveals how our bodies hold and express our attachment styles, trauma, and relationship tendencies—and how conscious partner dance creates a safe container to observe and transform these patterns. Jake explains how the masculine-feminine dynamic in dance mirrors our inner balance, creating a "playful mirror" that teaches more effectively than traditional therapy for many people.

Listeners will discover how the simple act of dancing with intention can create profound neurological changes, with Jake noting that many students experience more healing in a few dance sessions than years of conventional therapy. The conversation explores how safety in partnership allows deeper vulnerability, and how the micro-experience of a three-minute dance can transform macro-relationships in daily life.

The episode touches on the importance of community in healing, with Jake sharing how his intentional dance community has grown into a low-drama, high-connection space where people experience profound personal transformation.

Connect with Jake Trembath:
* **Website:** Soul Coast Dance
* **Upcoming Events:**
   * Retreat in Park City, UT - April 18 - 20th 2025
   * Retreat in Costa Rica - June 2025
   * Weekly Wednesday night classes at 6:45 - 10:30, check www.soulcoast.dance for more info.

* **Services:**
   * Private lessons
   * Intensive packages (including options for out-of-state visitors)
* **Coming Soon:** Soul Coast mobile app (available on Apple App Store in mid-April 2025)

Jake welcomes dancers of all experience levels and emphasizes that the healing journey through dance is "way easier than you think" and "more therapeutic than anything I've ever done" - common feedback from his students. Whether you're seeking personal healing, deeper connection, or simply a new way to play, the Soul Coast Dance community offers a container for safety, growth, and transformation.

Episode Transcript

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Amanda, hello and welcome to my podcast, embodying
ascension. I am your host.
Amanda, Joy Loveland, and I amso thrilled to have you join me
and beautiful guests as we diveinto this quandary of, how do we
bring the metaphysical into thephysical in our spiritual
evolution, in this human form,each episode is going to be

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diving into these beautifulquestions and how to bring the
metaphysical into the physicalwelcome. And let's dive in. We
have never podcasted together. Inever had you on my I had your
brother on. Oh, did you Yeah, hithere. And did you ever hear his

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episode? I didn't. It was sogood.
Actually, I did listen a part ofit. I do remember that I
listened to part of it, and thenI got
distracted, and then I forgot.
I'm not gonna tell Aaron thatyou didn't listen well,
oh my god, you'll only know thatif he watches this, so, oh yeah,
be even, becausesee if I keep this in or not,
youshould double check everything.

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Oh my gosh. I am so excited tobe sitting down with Jake
trimbath, who has been someonethat I always love, telling the
story about how we first met. SoI'll actually tell a little bit
of my backstory. With mestepping more into my feminine
dance was a huge part of it. AndI first went more into ecstatic

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dance, which I know you love.
I'm saying that sarcastically.
It's a good starting point. Itis a good starting point. And on
that too, I was moving more intointimacy. And was going through
dynamics with my husband at thetime, and we went to this
experience retreat, and I saidsex experience, just to make
sure that was clearlyenunciated. And there was these

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beautiful couples there andbeautiful facilitators. And you
know, it's definitely gettingout of my comfort zone, holy
crap. And we have this exercisethat we're supposed to partner
off and not be with ourpartners, and it's supposed to
be in quiet, you know, silent.
And the facilitators have awhiteboard up front and all
these things. And you blindfold,one person is blindfold, and the

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other person isn't, and you haveto do these different sensory
things. And in walks Jake late,and that's who my partner was,
and here's this beautiful man,handsome, buff. And I'm like, oh
shit. I'm like, okay, yesplease. So we partnered up. That
was how we first met, feedingeach other strawberries and
doing all sorts of things, notsexual, yeah, more sexual, more

(02:36):
sensual, or like, evoking thesenses. And then we became
friends. I mean, it's grown overthe over the years. That was
three years ago, three yearsYeah, yeah. So how Jake is, oh
my gosh, I'm so excited thatyou're on this podcast. Because
as I was diving more into then,okay, I was diving into my

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feminine but then how do Ireally partner and dive into the
masculine, the feminine in theembodiment? And this is where
Jake really comes in. And he isa not only a master, but a
magician, and very skilled atwhat he does. So I'm excited to
have you on and have you share.
I'm excited too. Yeah. How longyou got into dance. How long

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ago?
It was about five and a halfyears ago. Yeah,
yeah, you just stumbled into it.
How did that? Yeah,it's always been like a thing in
the back of my mind, like I tookone dance class in college. I
did line dancing just beforecollege, and then I probably
danced 10 times total as anadult before that

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really. So when did you fall inlove with it?
So I just gone through divorce,and
I went to the Westerner about,like three or four times a week.
It was like a social thing. Ihad a decent amount of safety.
It was still kind of like alittle bit accosted, but

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okay, you have to explain whatyou mean by that. Do
you care about language on here?
No, not at all. So my first orsecond experience at the Western
as I was leaving, one of theemployees was like, Hey, can I
have your number? I just want tofuck you. Oh, boy. And I was
like,at least she was honest. She was
honest and candid. She workedthere,

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and I'm just like, holy crap,and that. And then, like, a week
after that, I made friends withsomeone, and I found a friend
group. One of them is Lex, whoyou've met. And so I met this
group of friends, and this girl,she's her name, yeah, she
grabbed me across the room,pulled me over to this group. I
was like, cool people that arelike, my age, yeah, I can play

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with and dance with. And then Igot so this girl got my number,
and then I got another girl'snumber, and she got pissed about
that. I'm just like, What thehell like she's trying to make
claim on me or something. I. Itwas just like situations like
that didn't feel super good,because it was just like I just
wanted friends. And I literallytold this girl 100 times, I just
want friends. And eventually Ifound friends like Kara Lex,

(05:09):
these people that just maintainfriendship with me through the
years. So but it was a quickdividing line of who's
interested in me forrelationship and who's just
there to play with me. Yeah. Andthen I obviously assimilated
towards the play with me. Peopledefine play with me, just
so play with me as in Just Danceand hang out and No, no

(05:32):
relationship, friendship, yeah.
Friendship. No toxicrelationship, no physical
anything besides just dancingand playing. Yeah. And so when
you when you talk about dancingon the or playing on the dance
floor, you're just goofingaround with someone. You're
just, it's like kindergartenplayground, but you just have a
new game. It's a game that youplay with someone else, and so
someone that just is there toplay and not to take you home,

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not to have like intentionsoutside of just what it is,
just being totally in thepresent moment. Play is so huge.
So you get that, you kind ofstarted going to the Westerner,
then what? Andthen I realized, and then I got
into some pickles, because Irealized that I didn't have the
tools to navigate life as anadult dating. So I had, and I

(06:16):
was, I grew up in a verystructured religious thing where
I learned to lie because I wastold to be honest, and so I
learned to be clever with mydeception. So I had to go
through this whole process whereI had to learn to have
integrity. I had to learn how tobe a good like I was already a
good person. I just inherentlyhad that I feel like most of us
do, like I actively work onmyself all the time. But I just

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realized I came into this world,or came into this situation with
no tools or skills to speak of,and so I was became and then I
failed. My marriages fell apartand and she pointed at, like, a
lot of stuff about me gettingtherapy. And I'm like, okay, and
I would do therapy. And mytherapist is like, you feel
pretty good to me. Too, I don'tknow. And so I just like, All

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right, well, I'm interested if,if I'm not seeing something, I'm
interested in figuring it out.
Yeah. So I began a self like, aself love, self Grace practice,
where I was like, learning tolet go of my self hatred, and I
began to learn aboutrelationship and attachment
styles, and I learned abouttrust, and I learned about

(07:21):
abuse, and I learned about allthese things that I learned that
I was in a trauma bond, andthere's just like so many crazy
things. I was just like, Whatthe heck? Just like brand new
information. So I dove headfirst into this psychology
therapy so that I mostly formyself selfishly. But with that,
with that selfishness, I wasalso dancing at the same time,

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so I would dance, and as Idanced, I was like, this is
interesting. Like, I'm learningabout attachment styles, and I'm
seeing that this person isfeeling anxious to me. And then
I would ask them, because I'mcurious. Like, have you ever do
you know what attachment stylesare? They're like, yeah. I'm
like, Do you know what are youare? Are are you anxious? How do
you know that it's like, oh, I'mon to something weird here. And

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then I had a friend come to seeme. Well, she came and we did
lessons anyway, as I wasdancing, I did a I did a
medicine journey where I learnedto be okay with myself,
basically, like, is thebeginning of my self love, yeah.
And so I I watched myself becomesomeone that I could actually

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love during this process. I'mjust like, What the heck anyway.
So as I did that, my expressionbecame bigger, because I muffled
my expression my whole life. Andafter that experience, I was
like, I can actually be me andbe be me without, like,
completely hiding who I am.
Because a lot of my life, Iwouldn't wear, like, tank tops.
I wouldn't if someone thought Imight be showboating or
prideful, I just shut it down,nope, nope, and just completely

(08:48):
closed down my reality. And thenI go on this journey, and I
learned that, like, I'm someonethat's deserving of love as
well. And I watched myself, andI'm just like, that's cool. And
then I began to have moreexpression in my body and
expression in my dance. And sothat paired with my dance, and
that immediate following week, Ihad more expression my dance.

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And I think two guys asked formy number, for me to teach them
how to dance. Yeah. They're justlike, can you teach me how to
and I'm like, I'm just barelystarting. Sure I gotta show you
what I know. Yeah, and so. Soanyway, I start teaching people
just because I have moreexpression than they do,
apparently. And then I learnabout attachment styles. And
then people start coming to mefor lessons because I'm like,

(09:32):
pulling these things out ofpeople, like, Oh, I I worked
with a lady and her bodycouldn't stay straight with me.
So I'd stand in front of her andshe'd turn her body, and it just
kept happening, and I just hadthis, like, intuitive hit, like,
do you trust like, do you trustme? Do you have trust things?
And then I asked a lot ofquestions in him, like, have you

(09:53):
been abused recently? Like, isthat? And that was her body
couldn't hand. Dull the energyof someone, yeah, because she
just like, couldn't live withher, so she just like, had to
always be pointed away. So thenI learned about how different
attachment styles look in yourbody. I learned about how abuse
shows up in your body anyway.
This lady comes to see meworking with her, and we're

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doing we're doing work, and Iknow about anxious and avoidant
at this point, and I learnedabout chaotic, but I've never
met one. No, I've met okay, it'slike I ran, I ran a retreat,
like six months ago, and 90% ofpeople there were no way. Not
even kidding. Okay,we're gonna circle back to that
here in a minute. But, yeah,it's so

(10:35):
interesting. So anyway, sochaotic or disorganized
attachment is indicative by bothanxious and avoided in different
times, which means which isinteresting in dance, because if
they can't stay in the middlespace, they have to, like, pull
or push, then it just shows up.
So anyway, I was dance with thisgirl, and it's indicative of
usually being abused by yourprimary caretaker growing up
because you don't know whetherto, like, be close or far away,

(10:56):
because they're gonna get theshit kicked out of you or just
completely dismissed and so andso, instead of asking if she's
disorganized attachment, I'mlike, It's gonna sound weird,
but were you abused by your dadgrowing up? And she just, like,
stops and just starts kind of,like, melting a little bit.
Like, how do you know that? I'mlike, Well, okay, this is
getting weird. So anyway, so Ilearned from person after person

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after person, tons and tons ofdata. I just asked tons of
questions, because I was justteaching them how to dance. And
then in the interim, I was like,but this is interesting to me.
What is this? What is this? Whatis this? And I started taking
notes. And then at the end ofthe at the end of a year or two,
I'm just like, This is insane.
How much of people's like,life's experience is showing up
in their body, in the moment,yeah. And then, of course,

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whenever I say that out loud, Iwas like, Oh yeah, that makes
sense. But in the in the moment,it was, like, so interesting to
me that I just, like, keptdiving, and like, became
obsessed. I was reading bookslike, one a week, one a month on
average for the last four years.
And so anyway, so that was kindof the next stage of the
process. Was people startedasking me to dance or to teach
them how to dance, because theyhad more expression and I kind

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of looked like I knew what I wasdoing.
They kind of did enough thatpeople
were like, that's better than meteach me. And then as I was
teaching, I started realizingthat people get this stuck
mentality with something theythink they already know. And so
country swing is what I wasteaching. And I but when they
would watch me, they're like,but that's not what you're doing

(12:24):
out there. And I'm like, okay,so I like, all right, I can
attempt to teach you what I'mdoing. And I was taking other
dance classes. I was taking westcoast, which is a different
dance style. I was taking somesalsa bachata, and it was
showing up in this, in thislinear, like, slot, slotted
fusion style of dance, whichbecame known as bar coast. And

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so I was doing bar coast andhelping create bar coast, which
is a new dance style. And then Irealized I like, I'm learn
barcos.com and a bunch of theseother websites for people to
learn that. But it's like, notsomething that, like, I was okay
being behind that. Then Idecided that we needed to
rebrand for the therapy side,because that's what I was more
interested in. So anyway, tonsof lessons, tons of like

(13:09):
learning. And then peoplestarted wanting the structure of
dance, so I started creating itfor people. I'm like, All right,
this is what I'm doing, I think.
And then after a while, itbecame, these are the rules of
this game that I'm playing. Andmore and more and more people
started watching. And now wehave, we go out in our groups,
like, we have 20 or 30 peoplethat go out to the Westerner,
and a whole section of theWesterners dancing all

(13:29):
beautifully and very similarly.
But like, everyone's superunique, you know, yeah? And
everyone's like, what? What isgoing on here? Like, how's this
whole little pocket? Justbeautiful, connected, playful,
yeah? And like, you can justtell the light in the people's
eyes, like genuine happiness andand anyway, with time, we've
learned that when you dance, youhave three chemicals running

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through your system, well, four,but serotonin, oxytocin and
dopamine are all going throughat the same time. And so you're,
you're suddenly, you're gettingthis body high, yeah, you're in
a safe environment. Because theway that I built the container,
as I started teaching danceclasses, I opened up and
dedicated this space for thesafety and growth. And as soon
as I did that, there's actuallya conversation. I think you and

(14:14):
I had refreshed my Yeah, I'lljust act like I'll give you all
the credit for it. Credit. Ijust remember we had a
conversation. I think it was atone of our retreats, and I was
like, I need to do thatto my space. And so, oh yeah,
the safety of the uh huh. Now,yeah, yeah. I can't remember
exactly, but it gave me thisidea to just basically cleanse
the space and dedicate it as aprotected space. I'm really

(14:37):
big into anytime I do any kindof creation I do, put container
in almost a boundary way oflike, hey, in my practice, for
example, the only, only peoplethat are ready to fully take
accountability and shift willcome into my space. So in if
anybody does, I know they'reready. I don't even have to
wonder, and I know I'mprotected, right? So I think,
yeah, it's probablysame process I went through. Mm,

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hmm. But then I was like, we hada conversation. I had a
conversation with Shane, andthen it compiled into, like,
dedication of space, yeah. So Idid that, and then ever since
then, it's been about two and ahalf years since I've done that,
my classes have been more fulland almost perfectly balanced,
which is crazy to me, becausenormally you're thinking like,
oh, there's probably, like 20guys and 10 girls, or 20 girls

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and 10 guys, it's been withinlike two or three people for two
and a half years straight. It'scrazy. Yeah, you're good at
that. So And whereas beforethat, I had classes where 16
people show up and there'd beonly be one girl, just like, Oh,
gosh. And anyway, so I dedicatedthe space for the safety of
everyone that can came in sothat we could all learn and play
and play and just create a coolcontainer for community, and

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then just like from that and allthese other experiences, all the
learning, I've learned the powerof community to rewire like
anyway, it's been the wildestjourney, but it all started with
me going through myauthentically going through my
own healing journey where I waslearning how to communicate
better between the mask andfeminine. I realized that people

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that are very controlling thatit would start showing up in the
dance, and I'd watch them, like,move their partner around in
this controlling energy. And I'mlike, Hey, is this how you're
showing up in life? And peopleare like, people that are
hoping, are like, What the hell?
And the people that aren't,like, no, no, I already know
what I'm doing. Shut up. Leaveme alone.
Like, yeah, you just proved mypoint.

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Yep. So it's just been this wildjourney. But it all started with
just somewhere, something for meto do. It was a pastime where I
could play with people and andthen it just it transformed day
by day, by month by month, andthen, and now I have this
amazing team. Because once youkind of like, tune into the
frequency that you want to bein, the people that are meant to

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be in your little space, justkind of gravitate in absolutely,
like how you've shown up in mylife. And it just keeps
happening where more and morecool people keep coming in so
but now we have a little team,and now we're doing online
content. We have an app comingout pretty soon. We have, we
have a whole bunch of cool,amazing stuff on our adventure
going ahead.
Wow. And this is just a I havenever heard, like, how you got

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into all this, so that that wasfun for me to hear. But this
touches on so many pieces,especially where this podcast is
about embodying ascension,right? And this, this piece of
just that safety piece alone.
Most people do not feel safe intheir bodies, and I know that
was something that I had no ideaI was so disconnected. And
there's still elements to whereI'm still working through some
things. But first, like, for metoo, it was kind of a play

(17:34):
thing. It definitely got me outof my comfort zone to go do
ecstatic. And I'm like, How do Ieven get introduced to that. It
was a guy that I was dating hadkind of introduced me to it. And
I started going, and it's like,wow, starting to get more
comfortable in just my own skinand my own body. Created more
safety here. And then I startednoticing more of a reflection in
other people. But I remembercoming over, and I can't

(17:54):
remember when we first did wedance at sex parents, yes, we
did. Yeah, yeah, we did. And,and, yeah, very little. And I'm
like, Oh, I really want to learnthis, because the whole dynamic
of the masculine the feminine,how you teach that, is so
beautiful and so desired, Ithink, for anybody that is
wanting a partnership, which Idon't know, who doesn't, because

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everybody wants love. And thatwas so eye opening to me back
then, and it was sointimidating, because I'm like,
the whole idea of partner dancelike I'm now, you know me. I'm
like, I can solo dance all daylong, and then the partner
dance. I'm like, oh shit, I gotI've got lots more to learn
here, but I am doing betterthanks to you not quite kicking

(18:38):
ass, but I do remember, asyou're talking, I'm like, I
remember the first time dancingwith you, and this piece about
intimacy versus, like, thesexual energy versus intimacy,
especially when you're in dance,I think that's one of the things
that I've so loved watching yourgroup, is there's this intimacy
and this connection without itbeing sexual. And at first,

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because you naturally justthink, because our society is so
conditioned, like what you said,this person you know, wanted
your number because they justwanted to fuck you, we're so
conditioned to okay, this energymust mean I, you know, they want
to have sex with me, or I wantto have sex with them, instead
of No, this is just aboutconnection, and we can go play
in this space and have thisbeautiful experience. And then

(19:20):
at the end of the day, I feelmore alive, and you feel more
alive. And then we separate andgo, you know, part ways. And I
remember at first, becauseyou're so good at that. I'm
like, oh shit. Like, whoa,you're in my bubble. I'm like,
Okay, this is fine. And now Ithat, you know, now I have no
problem with that, but I had tocultivate the intimacy with Me
first. And that has beensomething that dance. I mean,

(19:43):
there's nothing like dance thatreally reflects back to you, the
pieces with the body, theemotions, the masculine, the
feminine, yeah,yeah. It's such a magical space
to see. It's the best mirroring.
Well, if we think about it, youyou want to learn all these.
Things You want to be inpartnership, you want that
experience. But because it'seither sex or no sex, it

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suddenly puts all this pressureon the sexual relationship. So
then you enter this containerfor a relationship, and you're
dating and testing each otherout and seeing if you can handle
it, and then suddenly a blow uphappens, and we just cut the
ties and we start over. And whatwe've done is we've created a
safe place to rewire thefunctionality of conversation

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between masculine and feminine.
So instead of having to have anindestination of sex, it is now
we can play here and learn torewire in healthy communication
patterns. So that if you changeit on the micro, it changes on
the macro. So you change it inthe micro of the three minute
dance relationship, and suddenlyyour macro relationships start
reflecting back healthypatterns, and you're like, what
I didn't learn? That I learnedit in three minutes and playing

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and well,and that rewires the neural
pathways. How? What's the what'sthe numbers on that? I can't
remember, 24 times fast. 1020,something times fast. 20 to 40
times fast. Yeah, when it'sdone, and play and dance is so
freaking fun. Oh my gosh. I'malways I'm always exhausted, and
I'm always so happy. I just havethe biggest smile on my face
everyone,everyone in the community, it's

(21:09):
like, so we've had so manypeople come through from like,
different states. We've hadpeople move to the state for
for, like, the opportunity todance with us and connect with
us. And then we have people,they just get crushes on nothing
in particular, like some peoplethink that they have crushes on
me, and I redirect them todance. They've crushes. I've
heard about those. Itgets wild out there. Poor Jake.

(21:30):
He's like, I'm just dancing. I'mjust here to play, yeah, but,
but the when the redirected tothe dance in the community, then
it has this really healthy,flourishing effect, and it just
blossoms everyone. It's so coolbecause, like, yeah, we can have
a cool relationship. But if, ifyou've read, I don't remember if

(21:51):
you've read tribal leadership ornot,
no, we talked about it when wedid the retreat. Okay,
it's one that we got to put onthe list.
I'm very selective on what Iread lately, just because I'm
writing, I'm channeling, but nowit seems to be anyway, that's a
whole otherconversation. This one is the
book is all about community andhealthy. So you just have
different levels or stages ofcommunity development. And what

(22:11):
we've done is we've created astage four, stage five
community, and which is justdifferent. There's most of the
world operates in one, two orthree. Three is like, I'm great,
where you have someone that'slike, like, I'm it, or whatever,
and then you we're it, and wefight against, you know, it's
just CEO and the god complex,little Yeah, like, yeah, which
is great. You need that stage inyour life's development. You

(22:33):
have to learn about yourgreatness, especially, like we
were talking about, but there'sa stage after that where you
learn that we are great. Andthere's stage after that where
it's life is great, and that'sthe stage that we like to play
in. And so anyway, but I'velearned that more than anything,
is you redirect people into thecommunity space and have
frequent interaction that'shealthy, like dancing, just
playing around. It fosters justthis amazing environment for

(22:56):
everybody. Yeah, and there's somuch healing that I don't even
touch. I just created the space.
And everyone does it on theirown with that intention. Yeah,
you'vehad some significant people that
have come through the group andhave had, and I know it's not
your there's their story is notyours to share, but it's, it's,
it's tempting with some of thestories, especially thinking of,
uh, cute Katie and her, she'sjust that's just amazing. Even

(23:21):
my experience with her, shetaught me some things that I
didn't realize it, you know, thespace that we had with around
love that was fascinating for meto learn. I know I'm being very
I told you about thatexperience, right? Yeah, being a
little bit vague. But what doyou find, especially with this
whole embodiment piece. What doyou find has been the most

(23:43):
fascinating for you?
Well, the first most fascinatingthing was that, I mean, I know
it now is knowledge, but it'slike, back then it was like, how
your body shows up is how yourbody shows up. So if it shows up

(24:05):
anxious here, it's going to showup anxious in a relationship. If
it happens in three minuterelationship, it'll happen in a
30 minute or three hour or threeweek or three year or three
decade relationship. And so themicro is the macro, how you do
one things, how you do allthings. That was probably the
most interesting, like, big,like, Aha. When the intention is

(24:28):
set for community and the spaceis created, it just fills that
was That was wild, because I washaving, like, I was averaging,
maybe, like 10 people in myclasses, and then I set that
container, and also, and Istarted having 3040, 50 people,
yeah, you draw a beautifulcrowd, like a big crowd, yeah,
yeah, it's pretty cool. So thatwas a really cool Aha. And then
with the actual embodiment, I'mwatching these seeds get

(24:52):
planted, and then they grow withor without me, which I love,
because I'm like, I don't wantto be a gatekeeper. I'm not
like, Hey, this is only mine.
I'm like, Hey, this is foreveryone. And then some people
will join, and then they'll juststop dancing or not showing up
to stuff for like, months, yeah.
But because they had those seedsof, like, new thought
development, or they they saw iton the micro, and they started
making these little microchanges, like some people, I

(25:14):
only get them for two lessons,and I though the whole focus is
rewiring the inner critic orchanging the self deprecation
dialog to be just a little bitmore self love, like a 1%
change, 10% change, and I'llwatch in six months how
different they show up in dance.
They have more connection, moreavailability for connection. So
that's probably the mostinteresting thing to me, is I

(25:35):
always that's the most recentone. So I learned that at my
birthday party last monthbecause I hadn't seen these
people in like, a year or sixmonths, and they were dancing
better than they ever have. I'mlike, What have you been doing
practicing self love? Like, oh,and it just magically, like, you
don't have to learn dance. It'sjust you have to learn how to
really love yourself, and thenyou can show up with full
expression. Yeah, which is socool. Your birthday

(25:58):
party was so fun. It was so fun.
I love all of those. I you know,as you're speaking, one of the
things that I have beenwitnessing, both when we dance,
but I'm witnessing it since Imentioned Katie and then this,
it's interesting what happens, Ithink, for both people,
masculine, feminine, butespecially, I'm going to speak
just to me when there's safetythat is held in whatever frame,

(26:20):
from the masculine the thingsthat start percolating and that
start coming up, because in ourlast dance session, I was doing
so much better. But if youremember, I was kind of like a
little bit pushing away, andwhen you talking about the
anxiety, and I'm really shiftnow to where it's safer than
I've ever felt, and I'm noticingall sorts of shit come up within
me, because I've never hadsomething so like, just like

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this to where all of a suddenyou can see all these, like,
frenetic things, or like thefear dynamics and whatnot. And I
feel like that is something thatwhen I dance with you, it feels
so safe that there's all theselittle parts of me that I'm
like, normally I'm totally fine.
What is this like? It's all,it's all coming up, and it's so
interesting to be able to havespaces like that, because we can

(27:04):
go do all the personal work, wecan sit in our aloneness and
like I can have self love, and Ican read all these books. But
actually having practices likedance that allow us to mirror is
so fascinating and so powerfuland so beautiful that it's so
fascinating to me. I still needto come do some dance lessons.
We all do go perfect. That partof me,

(27:26):
yeah, I hold the belief thatwhen we learn to hold ourself
more stuff, it allows more stuffto come up. Because our soul
knows that we're safe. We'resafer. It's not like, Oh, we're
gonna go, like, end reality.
It's like, you're gonnaexperience more pain than you

(27:47):
ever have once you feelcompletely safe in yourself.
It's just gonna stretch you out,but it's also gonna allow you
experience more joy. That's mybelief. I would agree with that.
And then in same thing, incontainers on the micro. If you
have a kid that like my kid, atsome point, three years old, I
think he was wandering aroundmaybe two years old. He was just
wandering, and he felt so safeto wander around this whole

(28:10):
party, and he just exploredaround this property. And my
cousin was a psychology major,and he just like, you know,
that's really healthy, right?
I'm like, Is it is it healthythat my kids wandering
everywhere? He's like, yes, itmeans that he feels so safe and
secure with you, that he knowsthat no matter what you're going
to be there, oh, which means hecan explore. I love that. And
then he's like, on the contrary,if you have a someone who isn't

(28:31):
safe, they're going to cling toyour leg, because everything is
a terror to them. And you thinkabout our energy clinging to
itself, just like terrified,right? And then you think about
the final release andexperiencing the scary things as
you like, step outside of yourcomfort zone. But the more safe
that we are, secure in ourselfand in our relationship, the
more I held the belief thatwe're we're allow ourselves to

(28:52):
experience a little more, tostretch our being, to stretch
who we are and what we are, andit allows us to just discover
who we are, because if we'restuck tight, we're never going
to blossom. And so it justallows us to relax to a point
where you can really fully beseen. Yeah,
I would agree with that. I, inmy personal experience, I think
there are some practices thatare a lot more long winded and

(29:14):
painful to go through versus,you know, like we're talking
about with dance of like, Oh,we're going to go play and, you
know, it's like, when youpointed out that piece with me,
it was like, there is thatinternal like, oh, that just
like, it pings. Like, is thatinternal pain point of like, Oh,
shoot. Like, okay, I am doingthat even now as I'm recalling
it. There's emotions there. Andyou can it is from past trauma

(29:36):
and past things that we'veexperienced. And it's so
interesting and so fascinatingto to be able to to have
experiences like that that doallow for more grace and love in
the experience, instead of,Okay, I gotta go. You know,
whatever the process is thatsome can be really, I'm not a
huge fan of the whole screamingand the that kind of like, let's

(29:59):
go. Beat. Pillow. I think Iwould rather go dance and go
have those experiences now, toeach their own, but I it is such
a beautiful process. I feel likein our ability, though, just
where we're like, when you'retalking about when we get to go
expand more it's like, or whenthere's more safety, okay, now
we can go even deeper, like,holy shit. I thought I had

(30:20):
already done all this healingand the layers that just
continue to come through. Yeah,yeah, I had this conversation
with, remember Courtney?
Courtney, of course, I rememberCourtney. She's freaking
adorable. This conversationis a couple days ago.
Her perception of the healingworld is very painful, and you
lose your that's just like, sohard and challenging. And I get

(30:43):
that because I've seen it. I'veseen the entire world of of
that, those practices where it'slike, oh, you have to it's gonna
hurtso bad, or so conditioned that
things have to be painful, yeah.
But I really, really, like myfirmest belief, is that when we
there's like, a stage where wejust get to play more. And it's

(31:03):
like that is just, well,according to the science, is
actually more healing thananything else, right? And so,
but nobody it's like, you dohave to do a fundamental, base
amount of work today. You can'tjust go straight to play and
Nelson, you're healed. But ifyou do your fundamental, which
most of us have done at thisstage, if anyone's watching, as
a guarantee, they've done mostof that work, but then they're

(31:26):
just like this, you've built thefoundation, and then play can
happen at a much more becauseyou're safe. No, have you seen
this one where they're doing astudy and they give these kid,
this kid, he's just on a table,and they give him some toys, and
he just, immediately, juststarts to play with him. And
then, and then someone comes inand just like, yells, just like,

(31:48):
it's an argument between twoparents, but they're just like,
What is going on? Just like,super loud and aggressive. And
the kid just like, Oh my gosh.
And he just, like, sets down thetoys and just watches, and
everything calms down, andeveryone's fine. And he just
stays in that position for awhile. And then they change out
the toys and give him new ones.
And he just like, even thoughit's been like, minutes at this
point, he just like. And thenfinally, he eventually, kind of

(32:10):
like, hesitantly plays withthese toys. That's how we are.
And those, I feel like, thosescary things. If we can get to
the point where we're good,where we have ourself, we don't
scare ourselves all the time,like, Ah, you're doing it.
You're effing everything up. Ifwe can stop doing that, the play
can happen and the blossoming,just like it just happens
naturally. It's the naturalnext, next product.
Well, and to your point, it'slike that foundational I would

(32:32):
agree that foundational work isso important. And I I do wonder,
though, because there are somany of us that have done a lot
of the really difficult pieces,that I think that it's made the
path easier for those that arethose that are going through it.
I don't think it has to be asmuch suffering, and I could be
wrong, but I liken this a lot toreligion. Like, I love that I

(32:52):
had my Mormon base because itdid create a foundation. And
like, my experience was, Oh,great. Now I've graduated, and
now what else is next? And itdoes allow for when we're going
through these pieces, that it'slike, oh, okay, I'm seeing this
part. Oh, that hurts a littlebit. That pings, okay. I'm just
gonna breathe into like, rightnow I'm in a lot of discomfort
because I'm in the space, as Icall it, the space in between,

(33:14):
where it feels janky and he'sjust like, Okay, I gotta, I get
to embrace it, and I'm but Iknow this place, I even though
it's a different, differentaspect of it, but it does get to
be like, I'll have conversationall the time, of like, I'm
really in my humanness rightnow, and it's pissing me off.
And I get to be more silly andplayful with it, instead of

(33:34):
like, oh my gosh, the world isfalling apart. And I don't know
where my base is, because howmany times have we gone through
that? I know I've gone throughthat a gajillion times. Yeah,
you're kind of going through ita little bit right now. But,
like, what's next? Which so amI, in some ways, which I think
is really exciting place to be?
Yeah, and I love those momentsof clarity. And oddly enough, it

(33:56):
happens usually when I'mdancing. So like, dancing is the
so we've talked about, kind ofwhere it came from, where it's
at. Now, for me, it's my placeof meditation. So I'll dance
with a partner, and I'llsuddenly have, maybe hippies
call it downloads, yeah, butlike, I'm a hippie.
Are you a hippie? I am. I'm allthings. I think so I think I'm a

(34:19):
hippie and non hippie, but it'slike, also, I get this like,
flash of information of someproblem that I've been dealing
with for weeks or months, butI'll just have just the right,
like, experience, song, dance,partnership, whatever. And it
just sinks in just right, like,it's so beautiful. And then it's
like, ah, that's my next step.
And then it's like, I just holdon to that information. I'll

(34:40):
keep notes of that or whatever.
Yeah, and then that feels likethe next stage of my journey. So
what's cool is I have now,instead of just one person that
I experienced that with, I havedozens and dozens of people that
I can be in flow with and justhave this amazing partnership
dance. And then we're both justgetting these like, download,
theta state, brain wave. Ofprocessing things. It's so cool.

(35:02):
And now it's just like an easilyaccessible flow thing. So it's
like, it's like, when you put inthe time to learn an instrument,
you can get into flow in thatthing, like, if you're playing
piano or guitar, you can getinto flow. And I'm sure that it
helps people in certain ways.
But in partnership, it'sdifferent, because it's, it's a
relationship with anotherperson, right? And as they
mirror things, it brings up thelike you're talking about. It
brings up that littleinsecurity, and it's like, oh,

(35:24):
this is how I can reframe that.
Necessarily. I can work throughit. And so I feel like those
painful places that we'retalking about, those in
betweens, they used to be longerperiods of time, and I almost
feel like they're short, ohyeah, I would agree. And I feel
like I'm learning at a just muchmore rapid rate. So where I'm at
now is now I have a community,an amazing community of really
cool I consider them conscious,healthy people with really

(35:49):
healthy relationships. Everyonetells me about how dramatic the
dance world is, and that's truefor the dance world that I've
seen, but the dance world I'vecreated, and we're part of, is
very low drama, very lot oflove, and so we've just created
this unique little bubble, and Ifeel like it has so many
answers. It's a micro communityof healthy expression that helps
us all rewire our largerrelationships in life, or our

(36:12):
macro things, like in our jobsand whatnot. Yeah. So, so what's
what's happening now is I'mwatching problem solving happen
at a much more rapid ratebecause of the opportunity that
we've created with each other.
Well, I would, I feel like too alot of this has to do when we're
talking about the masculine thefeminine. And if you look at God
as an archetypal type with itssex is usually more masculine

(36:33):
and the feminine, the Creatrixenergy, which is also God, gets
to be in her little chaoticenergy, but she knows here's the
boundaries, here's the banks tomy river. And in dance for me
and the feminine, like havingthe masculine, trusting the
masculine has me, even if I messup, because I mess up, and then
it's like you just kind ofbreathe through it and play with
it. And it's like, I always domy little screams and whatever,

(36:54):
like, oh, I Okay, I just screwedup there or whatnot. But I feel
like that's so indicative withlife and with trusting the flow
of like I know if I'm stuck, Iknow that if I sit here and I
just allow and I actually let goand I go play or I go do
something like that, it willcome because it does. And so
it's like developing more andmore of that trust with source,

(37:16):
the divine, in our in our flowof how we get to move through
life. And so I feel like it'ssuch as beautiful mirror in that
space. Would you agree? I wouldagree,
yeah. And as you talk about themasculine feminine, I feel like
what we've what dance allows, isa it. I feel like the after all

(37:39):
of this, all I'm doing ishelping people with their
communication with masculinefeminine. And so once, once all
the little buttons are turnedinternally. So I don't self
abuse, and so I have self love,and I understand my greatness.
And then you do the same thing,suddenly we get to start a new
thing. And just like I wastalking about the beginning when
I was teaching country swing,everyone was like, I already

(37:59):
know how to do this. And they'rejust like, Okay, whenever you
reframe it and you're learningsomething brand new, like this
dance style, it allows you toit's like starting something
brand new fresh. Everything isnew. And instead of being like,
I already know all the pathsalready built for your old,
crappy communication, you get tostart new. It's like, Oh, I'm

(38:20):
gonna practice little self lovehere, my negative self talk is
showing up in my container, andshe thinks she's taking it as
I'm disappointed in her, whenreally I'm just mad at myself.
And now you're realizing how therelationship starts to bleed and
how your communication isineffective. So then you reframe
that, and suddenly you yourselfsustained. You're not constantly
bleeding onto them, yourinadequacies and then, and then

(38:41):
eventually you start tocommunicate, and you start to
play, and you goof around alittle bit, and you're saying
something, and they saysomething back, and you're just
saying yes and to each other,and you're encouraging and
loving, and you're literallyrewiring those neural pathways
that have been however old youare years of most likely
unhealthy expression to thepoint of healthy expression. And
then you can watch as if youryour childhood self was stuck in

(39:05):
that relationship pattern. Youcan watch yourself grow up into
healthy expression as an adult,like it seems exactly what
rewiring the neural pathways is.
And then you have healthyexpression where you can learn
at a much more effective rate,because it used to be, and it
still is sometimes, but it usedto be when I'd communicate,
like, five years ago, where Ijust read everything wrong

(39:28):
because I'm just looking for myown lens, and I was a violent
communicator, and I assumed somany things I just didn't see
because I just I knew that theywere telling the same story that
I'm used to, and so I waslooking for all the evidence and
and now It's at a point whereit's like, all right, I can
settle myself down to the pointwhere I can actually be open and
interested in their expressionand where they're coming from,

(39:48):
and it helps me heal theinternal vision of masculine
feminine in my own system. Andthen it starts to show up
outside. So now I am inviting,because I'm doing my. Internal
work in this space, invitingfeminine to show up in a more
healthy space. So instead ofthat old energy of like, I don't
trust women, I can be in thespace of like I'm completely
trusting. I trust our container.

(40:12):
I trust where we're going. Itrust our play space. And then
that allows me to heal in waysthat nothing else could have
healed me from like, it's themirror, it's the playful mirror
that teaches me more than I'veever learned, which is why I'm,
I feel like I'm on some weird,speedy track right now, learning
so many things. Oh, you'reso passionate about it, which I
think is helps, yeah, makes amassive difference in this.

(40:34):
Like, really, when we breakdown, everything is part,
especially part of ourexistence. And this piece of
what I feel like everybody wantsto create, you know, how do I be
a better version of me? How do Iespecially, again, talking about
this idea of ascension andembodiment and and this core
piece of the mask and thefeminine is such a it's a core
wound that all of us in ourunique ways, and the cogs of the

(40:57):
cosmos and the all the thingsare, are doing a piece in that
somehow. And I feel like, like,my whole life I've been more in
my masculine because that hasbeen safer and the masculine
hasn't been safe. In fact, I wasjust talking to someone the
other day. I don't know thatI've ever felt fully safe with
the masculine my entire life,which is an interesting

(41:18):
statement. And it's like whenI've asked, and I asked and I
asked someone, you know, do theyfeel like they've ever been
fully safe with the feminine?
You know, it's an interestingthing to actually reflect on,
and granted, I have masculinefeminine within me. So do I feel
safe with my masculine? Do Ifeel safe with my feminine? And
this piece is so fundamental tous, just in our evolution. And

(41:39):
so again, to have thisembodiment of dance, and that
practice is so key to all ofthis. So it's like, I love that
you're doing what you're doing,and I like that I get to be a
part of it and come play hereand there, and then, who knows
in the future, right? What getsto be created, and the grand
visions that you have that willcome to pass one of these days

(42:00):
in the community aspect, yeah,which, that is a whole other,
that's a whole other podcast.
Yeah? About the community piece,there's a lot of people that
don't believe that it canactually, we can actually create
it, yeah, but I know you have alot of opinions on that beliefs.
Yeah.
I feel like what I bring is justa piece of that puzzle, but it's
a it's as far as communities go.
I'm just gonna boast about mine,because it's amazing. Do

(42:25):
it boast?
But I just feel like it'swhatever we figured out has been
is integral for whatever,whatever community happens in
the future. Yeah, whether it'slike rural development, small
community development, whateverhappens in the future. This
piece that we figured out, thisoften meeting the central
location type of thing, theinteraction, the one on one

(42:47):
interaction, the healing of themasculine feminine inside all of
us. I feel like it's the mostcrucial piece that I agree, that
I have seen for communitydevelopment. And it is showing
itself anyway. It's just showinga lot of viability, which was I
wasn't expecting. Well, youespecially in the community that
we're in, there's a lot ofpeople that are stepping out of
religion, which is such acommunity that they and they
completely lose their community.

(43:10):
And that sense of being soisolated and so alone is so
damaging for the psyche andmental emotionally that you
know, community is, is what oursociety and there's so many
things of what our world isneeding, and we're moving into
that. But it's like, what, whatI love, too. And as I was
listening to you talk, and I'mI'm seeing and remembering, you
know, the community times whenI'm there, and we have these

(43:32):
different experiences, it'salways, I always am shown, like,
when communities like thatgather and they do things like
that, like what it sends down tothe grid lines and the ley lines
and the planet is so I don'tthink we even fully understand
what happens and how thatripples out. It's like, no
matter how small or how bigthese things are, they're so
impactful on a global scale.
Yeah,I agree, and it's like so many

(43:56):
times, I think so. One of thebiggest ahas I've had is this
idea that if you heal therelationship within, it heals
without or heals outside of you.
So people work on therelationship with their dad, who
it's been years and years and 30years of pain, and they'll
suddenly just like, learn andforgive and realize that that's
just mirroring something insidethem. Suddenly their dad shows

(44:17):
up that week and is like, Hey, Ijust wanted to apologize. It's
like, what? How does thathappen? But
like, I've seen it time againsmiled.
It's so fun, so cool. And I lovejust being like, the person
that's like, hey, maybe look atthat. And then they do it, and
it changes everything. But thenI feel like, the next time
around, when I tell someone thatconcept, they're like, Oh yeah,
I've been I just startedpracticing that, like, two weeks

(44:39):
ago, like, but it just likeyou're talking about, like what
we're doing has such a it'screating ripples in such a cool
direction for people that I'mnot even in contact with, right
and and there is the actualphysical component, like, I've,
I've heard back feedback frompeople. I've had someone came to
my retreat who heard about me inLas Vegas. That was just someone
was dancing out there, andthey're like, Hey, where'd you.

(45:00):
Learn how to dance. And theymentioned my name, and so they
looked me up, and they found theretreat, and they just showed up
because they watched one persondance in Las Vegas. Wow. So I
like, there's the actualphysical what changes, but then
what you're talking about, itjust changes. It's fundamentally
changing the planet to createmore beautiful connections like
this, and more opportunities,and just to do it on a frequent
scale, like every Wednesday typeof thing, or every Saturday or

(45:22):
whatever, whatever your classschedule. Is it? I feel like
it's, it's sending thatconsistent, steady pulse into
the earth. And just like we're,we're healing in so many cool
ways.
Yeah, I freaking love that. Ohmy gosh, all the good things.
And it's like when you weretalking about the communication,
the non violent, non violentcommunication, that book is so
good. Remember when you read it?
So who anyway, I end up readingit, I think around the same time

(45:44):
you did, it's like, oh my gosh,that's such a good book. And
rereading it again, I've got abook club, two book clubs,
ready? You do? One of them isrereading nonviolent
communication. Yeah,I need to reread it myself. You
know, as we're talking, I keepthere was a real that I was just
sent by what's his name, GaborMate, is that? Am I saying that?
Right? And he was on a podcast,and she was talking about some

(46:04):
sexual abuse, because sexualabuse is so prevalent, and I
don't know anybody that hasn'thad some sort of sexual abuse,
and they get so identified withthe abuse that happened in the
person who was the predator. Andin this, I'll have to actually
share it in the show notes, butin it, he actually says, It's
not the abuse, it's the factthat you didn't feel safe enough

(46:25):
to talk to someone about it thatcreated the trauma. And it was
like, holy shit. Talk aboutsafety pieces. And again, this
just comes back to no matter towhat you're talking about with
your son or with these dynamics,like, if we can feel safe enough
here, it doesn't matter whatwe're going through, we know
we'll be okay. And again, that'swhere dance is, like, so
amazing, because it does help tocreate and cultivate that safety

(46:47):
within the physical self thatjust mirrors everything that I
think is beautiful. Yeah,and it's, it's a barometer, so
you get to show up every weekand see how you're doing.
It's like, oh my gosh, shit, I'mdoing really good today. Or, Oh
crap. It's like, oh, and youcould
just be having a bad day. Butthere's a consistent, steady
trend, yeah. And anyway, there'sa there's a stage that people

(47:07):
hit. And because I feel likewe've cracked the code on just
like easy dance experience.
Dance is not step, step, step.
Instead, we've we've narrowed itdown to the most important
pieces and eliminated all thedumb stuff that is unimportant
for connection. Because we'vedone that, most people within a
month of dancing, they hit flowwith partnership, and that is
the most mind blowingexperience. It's just insane.

(47:29):
Ben, some people hit it withinlike two weeks. Some people hit
it first day. It's crazy. Butsome people hit it within two
weeks or a month, and when thathappens, the I feel like there's
like this, like, brand new lightin people's life, and this new
and yeah, like you're gonnastumble and you're gonna step
back, and you're gonna lose itfor a second, and then you're
gonna be like, Oh no, if I lostit forever, was it just an

(47:51):
accident? But eventually you'llfind it again. But once you have
that safety, and you canliterally check in on how things
are going, so you can it weird,but you can make decisions in
unhealthy directions, and I canfeel that in people like the I
kid you not, this is deadserious. I've one of my dance
students who I hadn't seen inmonths, came and I was dancing

(48:14):
with her, and I'm like, shealready knows I'm weird, so I'm
just like, this is going tosound so weird, but are you in a
physically engaging relationshipright now? She's like, What do
you mean? Like, I'm havingsexism. Like, yeah. She's like,
Yeah, yeah. It just started,like, three weeks ago. I was
like, I can feel it in yourbutt. I can feel the surrender
that she had, because shenormally has so much tension
and, like, so much rigidity, andshe was just in this, like,

(48:36):
surrendered place. I could feelit exuding in her body. So you
can with people that areconscious and healthy, I feel
like you can kind of have thecommunication and barometers be
barometers for each other, notlike, Hey, you're doing this
wrong, or this is bad, or I candefinitely tell this. Just be
like, Oh, I'm noticing thatyou're softer. What's What have
you been doing that's helpingyou get softer? And then they

(48:56):
probably won't tell you thatthey're getting laid, but
like, well, having reallyamazing sex,
which does, yeah? So it's like,Oh, it does, yeah, absolutely.
Oh my gosh, I freaking love it.
What would you Okay? Where canpeople find you? Because right
now you're in a little bit of atransition space. So I can
update it too. But for rightnow, if somebody's wanting to

(49:19):
even just start, or they'realready doing like, yeah,
yeah. So we're selling ourproperty. We've just had too
many run ins with the city. Ijust don't want to be there
anymore. So so we're looking fora new city, new location.
Nothing's nailed down that youcan find us online at soul Coast
dance, and that will be foreverwe are. We'll be running a we
have a retreat this month, so intwo weekends, what day? April 18

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weekend. It's Easter weekend,but, yeah,
it's good. Where are you doingit? At Park City. Oh, sweet,
yeah. So be close, yeah.
So we have retreats. We'll havea retreat in June in Costa Rica.
So we have, that's a good way tocome find us. We still will be
holding our week classes rightnow. We're just. Trying out a
few different studios. Yeah,we're trying to buy a studio.

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We're trying to there's a wholebunch of stuff we're working on
doing, but as of right now, westill have our weekly Wednesday
night classes. You can stillsign up for private lessons
anytime. I have intensivepackages. So I've had people fly
in to see me from Alaska,California, Missouri, like,
wherever, all over UnitedStates. So you can come in and
see me. We have intensivepackages, like, if you're if
you're like, dead set onshifting your reality. It's a

(50:25):
little bit more pricey, but wecan literally, like, depending
on how much information you cantake in, because it is a fire
hose. But if you're, like, usedto fire hose stuff, when you're
ready, change that tomorrow. Sowe got, we have intensive
packages. They're a little morepricey, but you can do lesson
before lunch, lunch and afterlunch, awesome. And you just
like, dive in. And it'sdefinitely intense. But we have

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opening immersive. Let's shiftto immersive. Just get get
it done in three days. Yeah. Andwe have retreats like that too.
So we have immersive, like theCosta Rica one, so that's
awesome, but soul Coast dancehas all of this stuff. Our app
will be out probably in a weekand a half. What's
the app's name? Do you knowit'll be so coast, so close,
super what are they gonna what?
What can they find in the app?

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Um, I'll haveto send you a link, but it'll be
on the Apple store. Yeah, wejust barely sent it in for
approval last week, and itsweet. It got banned, not
banned, but just, like, just alittle there's, like, there's
too many quirks that keep sofine tuning? Yeah, it's just
fine tuning these littledetails, because it's like, one
of the pages the scroll barended up in the middle, oh,
stuff like that. And the AppStore is like, what producing
this? Oh, my God, we're justpolishing up a few things. Yeah,

(51:31):
cool. Well, I want to make sureand put all that in the show
notes for sure. And I want tohave you back, because I want to
actually dive in a littledeeper. I'm trying to keep these
episodes to, like, an hour, sothat, you know, I'm not a Joe
Rogan that can do three hourpodcast. And people are like,
yes, not yet, at least, butyeah, talking about the
community piece of some of thoseparts, I think would be, yeah,

(51:52):
yeah, especially because I knowwhere you're wanting to go, and
I'm definitely part of there'sseveral of us that are wanting
to create community aspects andliterally changing the frequency
and the vibration of the planet,and re, re, weaving the grid
lines and all the fun things,which I freaking love. I'm
trying to think, if I have anyother really good questions for

(52:12):
you, right this I got thereanything else you want to share.
Iprobably just like how easy the
journey is. It seems like it'schallenging. I The way I see the
world is we all have just thesedifferent opportunities to go
through whatever you want. Andso if you want to learn about
breath work, you can becomeimmersive. You can get immersive

(52:33):
into it. And you can become aMaster Practitioner in a short
period of time. And then you cando it every week. It's an
accessible thing that you cando. When people think dance,
they think they see and feel thechallenge and the awkwardness
and all this, likeintimidation. I mean, it's
intimidating things. Oh yeah,and
you're in front of people andyou're being looked at. There's

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so many things, and yet somepeople aren't quite ready, which
is totally fine. I've had peoplecome to my class and literally,
a year later come back throughthe doors like I'm ready now,
that first time, I wasn't ready.
I cried the wholetime. Are you serious?
Dire? Girl,she we had a dance, and I talked
about safety, and she just criedand left. And I was like, Okay,
see you later. And a year latershe came back. She's like, Jake,

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I'm ready for this shit now. AndI'm like, Hell Yeah, girl, and
she's been ready, she shows butit's a lot easier than you
think. Yeah, but just like wherewe're talking about everything,
the container is set, so youjust have to be ready. You show
up, ready, just interested. Youcan even just be curious. And
it's so much easier. The the twothings I get the most often are,

(53:36):
is way easier than I thought.
Yeah, and this is moretherapeutic than anything that
I've ever done. So many peoplethat have had years and years
and years of therapy, six years,10 years, and they're like,
three sessions with you is morethan 10 years of therapy. I'm
just like, that's like, I canrepeat complimentary. I'm not

(53:56):
gonna sell myself like that,but, but, well,
there is an element today is anenergy of claiming that there is
an element, especially with thelevel of mastery that you have,
of self mastery and selfteaching, and then having these
experiences with client overclient over client. Like you do,
you do get to own that. Jake,yeah, like you are unique in
what you're creating. This isyour genius. It's like you do

(54:17):
get to claim that, and you'reamazing at it, very, very
gifted. Thank you. You'rewelcome. I've
had more people so I spent mywhole life trying to do what I'm
doing now, which is just affectpeople's lives and make an
impact in the world. I've hadmore people in the last two
years than in my entire life ofworking on this. Tell me how
much I've impacted them, changedtheir life, saved their life,
transformed their life, and itprobably happens on a weekly

(54:41):
basis. It's insane, yeah, andso, so yeah, that is a true fact
that I can own and claim. And wehave really cracked the code on
how quick it is. Yeah, it'squicker and easier and more fun
than you can imagine. Andeveryone thinks about healing
and dance as like, two of thehardest things, but once you
just show up and experience it,not about that. I. Oh, that's
funny. But then once you stepthrough those doors and you see

(55:04):
the level of and you can ask,literally, pick a person in the
room, yeah, ask him how manyclasses they've been to, and how
impactful it's been, andeveryone will say the same
thing, I've been here threeweeks, and my life has already
changed. I've been here twoyears, and I can't imagine life
without this. Yeah, I've beenhere one class, and already I
know that this is my my path, soit's just crazy. Yeah, I
wonder if it's more like healingis intimidating, and so is

(55:27):
dance. I think for me, it's morethe intimidation of, like,
stepping through the like everytime, even now, because I don't
come consistently, just becauseof my schedule, but when I do
show up, I'm always like, alittle bit of that nervous
trepidation of, like, Okay,we'll see how I do today. And
there is a little bit of anintimidation of of way getting
out of your comfort zone.
Healing is the same thing. Yougot to get out of your own way

(55:48):
to be able to really fully diveinto this. And that's how dance
is. That's how healing is. Andagain, it's just like, it's so
fun, though, like with themasculine, and this is how we
really bring back, like, thetrue masculine, the true
feminine, because I think we'velost it. I don't think we really
know. And you and I have had alot of conversations about this,
what the divine masculine, thedivine feminine, truly is. And I

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do think this is one of the waysit helps to really embody, like,
what does this get to be? How doI get to hold my frame? How do I
get to surrender? How do I getto flow and play and all these
different dynamics that that,yeah, bring truth, which I love.
And the coolestthing that we've discovered is
that the feminine leads as well.

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So we tell youmore about that. So we have,
because I have to let go. Youknow, me, I'm always like, Okay,
what's he gonna do next? I'malways trying to, I'm letting go
of that. I'm trying to read thedirection.
So it's a little unfortunate.
The lead is named the leadbecause you're both leading
something. It's the yin and theyang and the balance. You can
see my tattoo, yeah. But eachone leads something, and then
there's a sub, sub part of themthat connects to the other. And

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so the lead leads the structure,the follow leads the flow of the
dance. And as we've gone throughthis, like traditional dance
styles. It's like the lead isthe lead, and you just listen to
whatever he wants you to do. Butwhat you're actually doing is
the follow is leading the flow,that magic, like energy, like
that practice we had the otherday where you got in so fun and
I joined you, that's what you'releading in the dance. And so you

(57:14):
initiatedthat first which, and that's
what I loved, yeah, yeah.
So I can essentially as a lead.
I can invite it out, but you'rethe one that's in charge, right
of that part. And so the flow isyours, like your direction, your
energy, like everything youbring to the dance is you. And
my job is to play with that andmatch that. And your job is to
keep, keep enough frame that youcan connect with me, because

(57:36):
that's what I'm leading. I'mleading this structure so you
keep structure in your body sothat I can lead your body, and
then you I keep enough flow inme that I can follow yours. So
I'm interested in, like, gettingdown and groovy with you as
well. Yeah, but in no way shapeor form Am I like play and
you're just doing it. It's likeyou are initiating it, and then
I'm playing with you. It'sa co creation. And we, I think
we talked about that last time Ihad my lessons, and I think that

(57:58):
that is so I don't know that.
Again, we really know how to cocreate, whether it's with God,
because that's a whole other,whole other conversation, or
with the divine, with thefeminine masculine, just in
partnership. How do we cocreate? How do I get to still
have a voice, and you get tostill have a voice, and then we
get to figure out how to dancetogether and make this beautiful

(58:21):
symphony.
So we get to co create on themicro practice co creating, and
then it just pops to the nextlevel. Yeah,
hell yeah, yeah. You're comingback. We're gonna do a part two
and three. Probablyjust becomes a podcast where you
just talk about this right now.
Keep talking about how this now,this experience, and one of
these, I do want to do anexperience we I do want to

(58:43):
create something together, likedo what we talked about with or
at my mom's place, and dosomething, do a little event,
which will be fun.
We have openings in May.
I'll be filming in May, so maybeJuly. We'll figure it out. We
havea film coming up in May too.
What is your film? Well, it'snot ours, but it's just one
we're gonna be part of onNetflix. I think, Oh,
really, what's it called? Do youknow what it's called?

(59:08):
It's with Wendy. You know Wendy?
Which Wendy's world of Woo. Ithink, Oh, how cute. Which Wendy
the in on fire? Wendy?
Oh, I didn't know. That'sexciting. That's way exciting.
Yeah. And there was another oneanyway. We'll probably be in two
by the end of the year. Yeah.
And then I think I've had peoplereach out to me and are

(59:29):
interested in but I have such astaunch line of like, if I don't
feel the same, like integrity,and like, if I don't feel like
you're in my frequency, nogreatness, no, no question. So I
have a very staunch line, soI've had people reach out to me
try and do they want to do adocumentary on us. I just don't
feel the alignment yet, right?
So I'm feeling like, as Iperfect, the right person will

(59:52):
come up. How did you not tell meabout the TV theme? I'm telling
you about my stuff. It's like,like, Well, I'm glad this came
up. Yeah, that's so. Exciting,oh, yeah, we're just, we have,
basically, she's just goingthrough different experiences,
and then she's having someone gothrough our experience, and then
they're just talking about theeffectiveness and all that
stuff. I love that, yeah? Andthat kind of stuff. It's, it

(01:00:12):
just reflects back. Every timewe've done something like that,
where people do it as anexperiment, there's so much
growth, yeah? And it becomes thelifestyle and a passion that you
just don't want to let go of sowell, the
experiment or the curiosity,like, I'm just gonna go in this
with curiosity, like, yeah, thatis key to anything in life. I
just be curious and see how thisplays out. Oh, okay, well, I'm

(01:00:33):
gonna, I'll make sure and putall the things in the show
notes. But you're awesome. Thankyou. Thank you. Thank you.
Appreciate you. You.