Brotherly Bond

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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.
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So get ready for a ride that'sas fun as it is real.
This is Confident, not Cocky,and this is your host, charles.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Campos Jr.
All right, welcome back,confident, not Cocky.
I'm your host, charles CamposJr, and I'm here with a special
guest, somebody of blood, myyounger brother, kobe yep, kobe
Perez, the youngest out of four,the best-looking one too.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
No, it's not cocky.
If you can back it up, and Ican back it up, oh god, that's
your opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
In're entitled to your opinion.
Ask mom how you been tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
It's been going.
I've been doing alright Beentaking care of Noah's dog, our
other brother's dog.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Oh yeah, that's right .
Our other brother, noah, one ofmy other youngest, because I am
the oldest and his dog's nameis whatuffy it's uh, from a one
piece anime which is like theonly anime I feel like he
actually watches.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
Uh, it has like 1400 episodes it's still coming out.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
From what I understand, it's a very popular
show.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
It is but to catch up with 1,400 episodes when it
still comes out today.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
I mean, didn't they do a Netflix movie?

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Live action, yeah, live action, right, I never
watched it.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
I would assume it's pretty popular.
I do want to say thank you forstepping in tonight.
We didn't have you on the booksto be here tonight but
unfortunately someone who I haduh previously scheduled kind of
snubbed me on on that.
So once again, I appreciate you.

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Uh, filling in is either thisor homework.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
So which is this homework?
Uh, and you go to what schooldo you go to?
Uh wabash college?
It's?
Uh, it's a small private school, all boys school.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Uh, 800 kids down in um crawfordsville, indiana I
think, I've asked you thisbefore, but how's your
experience been at all?
All boys school?
I mean, does it bother you?
Does it?
Do you have any type of likeOMOgoing to a co-ed school?
Overall, how's your experiencebeen?

Speaker 3 (03:10):
So, of course, when I was first deciding where I
wanted to go, it was kind ofweird thinking of going to an
all-boys school.
Not so much because I want tofind myself a lady I have a
girlfriend of five years butit's just weird to think 800
kids, all guys, what would thatbe like?

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And, honestly, freshman yearwhen I first went I'm a senior
now, but freshman year you don'teven notice it.
It's kind of almost better too,because everyone's just dressed
in pajamas.
Nobody's trying to look theirbest.
Some people do wear suitsthough, really, really, but

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that's due to tradition or ifthere's a talk going on
fraternities have their kind ofpolicies for freshmen or
incoming brothers.
But just my experience.
It's been great.
I probably enjoy it more than Iwould have going to a co-ed
school.
Why do you think that?
Just because there's such alack of judgment there.

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There's people who go to Wabash, who wear capes and, you know,
dress kind of out of theordinary, but there's no
judgment.
I've never heard anybody sayone bad thing about it.
I've never seen anybody laughabout it.
They just kind of oh that'sdifferent and then move on with
their day.
Um, it's just like such abrotherly culture that there's

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no judgment and it's justnothing but vibes.
There is, uh, the best way todescribe it?

Speaker 2 (04:47):
and what town is it?
Is it town of wabash, or isthat just?
No, that's just the college.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
Um.
What town is it man?
It's uh crawfordsville um andwhere's that?
It's about it's southeast oflafayette or lafayette however,
you want to say it it's about 30minutes away from there, an
hour away from Indy, so it'sbetween Indy and Lafayette.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Okay, so it's not like you're in the middle of
nowhere.
So there is.
I mean you could.
Is the town small?

Speaker 3 (05:21):
Yeah, the town is real small, there's not really
much to do.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
So you don't really have like a downtown area?
No, not really.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
You have a bowling alley.
That's about it for things todo there, unless you like hiking
.
There's kind of a wildlife sortof area.
It's called Turkey Run orsomething.
Yeah, I went there a few times,very beautiful, very relaxing,
but that's kind of you have tobe liking hiking in order to

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like it.
So, other than that, you youwould have to go to uh purdue if
you wanted to do something elseyeah, and you're not really the
type of like party hardy typeof person are you.
No, I, I've yet to go to oneparty at wabash.
Really, yeah it's, it does notinterest me.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Um, just the whole like vibe of bunch of people
drinking or the drinking itselfdoesn't really interest you.
What doesn't interest you aboutthat?

Speaker 3 (06:22):
I mean for me if I wanted to have fun, I like I
could have fun drinking withthree, four other people.
I don't need to be surroundedby a bunch of people I don't
know, in a sweaty environmentlistening to music, it being too
loud for us to have aconversation or anything like
that.
Um, my like version of a goodtime is being with three or four

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of my friends.
We have music playing not thatloud to where we can't hear each
other, and we just, you know,we drink, have fun.
I just think the party itselfis just too chaotic, almost in a
sense yeah, I get that.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
I guess I'd never really asked you about that.
And I mean, even when you'rehome, it's not like we all go
out and party or go to the bars.
I mean we're all, all thebrothers of our of age, drinking
age.
So I was just curious.
I guess I never really, I neverreally seen you be that type of

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person where you're like ohyeah, let's go, let's go do
shots at the bar.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
I mean I'm, I am that kind of person in the right
environment.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
But you just don't like doing it in a party setting
, in like a party sense, likewhere you are rubbing up against
somebody 24-7.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
Like I'm on the well, I guess I was on the soccer
team, but now, since theseason's done, I'm no longer
part of the team, since this ismy senior year.
But we went to france last yearand that's right.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Huh, I said that's right.
I remember that, yeah, and welike.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
The first night the whole team went out drinking and
me and a few other guys werebuying shots for people and that
kind of environment.
I don't mind it's not like youknow rubbing against everyone.
Yeah, I mean it's a differentcountry, but it's also people
aren't all up in your business.
You know you're not trying toplease anyone.

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It's just you and a group offriends in your like own little
area just having a good timelistening to music.
So it's just the.
I guess the way I see partiesat wabash everyone's like
rubbing against each other andthat's the part that I don't
really care for.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Being in a sticky, sweaty oh no, yeah, there's
sometimes you would go to aparty and it be like noisy,
everyone's dripping, sweatingand yeah, and then you don't
even remember it because youdrink too much, and then it's
just to me it's not, it's notappealing.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
I rather have a good time with a few friends rather
than try hearing one personright next to me no I can't even
hear them.
I will say that there's a stigmathat goes around like oh, oh,
what is parties at?
Wabash?
Just all guys and it's not likefraternities would go to Purdue

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.
They go to DePaul, which is ourrivals, and they do things
called serenades where they'llhave like the freshmen dance to
like the whole sorority in orderto like invite them to our
parties and we go and pick themup from like purdue and bring
them back and then somebodysober drives back and that's
what I was asking, lynn you.

(09:32):
There's other bigger cities andstuff oh yeah, so like 30, 30,
40 minutes away, you havelafayette purdue there, so I
like how you say lafayette, Iknow I get, I get a lot of hate
for it, lafayette, lafayette.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Well, speaking of brothers, I kind of I was
thinking about this literallyjust a couple of days ago I was
watching something on TikTok.
They talk about some kind ofzombie apocalypse and I was just
curious, you die first.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
You really think I almost died first.
You or Noah would die first.
Well, who do you?

Speaker 2 (10:09):
think you think it would be me or Noah.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
Okay, give me your answer and you have to explain
why you would think I wouldprobably, I'd probably say you
would die first.
And why do you think I woulddie first?
So I feel like noah is more inshape.
So if it comes to running away,I feel like noah has you beat
there, okay, and I feel likestreet, street smarts.
You might have more of it, butnoah wouldn't even like leave

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the house.
He'd be fine like just beinginside and doing something.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
That's the whole thing you would think okay, so
if we're stuck in a house andit's a crisis, you think Noah
will handle damage controlbetter than I would.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yes, because you would probably send your kids to
go see what the noise is.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
I would not do that, I would not do that.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
No, no, I mean you know how I would not do that.
No, no, I don't.
I mean you know how to handle agun better.
So let's say, if you have a gun, then sure you'll last longer
than Noah, but I feel like youwould find yourself in more
dangerous situations than Noah,would I feel?

Speaker 2 (11:17):
like Noah would not.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
Well, I would have three kids, so yeah, I would
Okay, let's assume the zombiesgot them already.
Exactly the Okay, let's assumethe zombies got them already.
The zombies got your kidsalready.
You're by yourself.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Okay, I'm by myself.
Great, Awesome.
This sounds like an awesomescenario.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
Noah, would be fine.
You, I feel like, would want togo out and see what's going on.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah, I don't want to stay in one place, so you'd put
yourself in more of a.
Well, noah's not going to havean infinite amount of food and
supplies.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
He, food and supplies he's gonna have to move
eventually, eventually, butyou'll be moving from house to
house every two hours.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
I feel like yeah I would be exploring I gotta get
you put yourself in.
I gotta get your supplies.
You're not agile enough to getout of all those dangerous
situations okay, fine, so thenbetween you and christian, our
other brother, who would diefirst or last?
Who do you think would surviveout of all four of us?

Speaker 3 (12:09):
Do we all have the same materials?
Assume we have the samematerials.
Different situations, becauseyou and Christian own guns, me
and Noah don't.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
That's why you have to go to and scavenge parts and
supplies.
I think Christian would outlastme.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
You think so.
I think so.
I feel like if I were to die,if I were to die, it'd be by
other people.
If christian were to die, it'dbe by zombies.
I feel like so, you thinkhumans would kill you.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yes, before a zombie would I don't think.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
I think I've seen and played enough games.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
Like what kind of?

Speaker 3 (12:46):
zombies are they?
That's my question, Becausethat's you know the walking dead
Walking dead zombies.
Oh yeah, I'll be fine.
I wouldn't die by zombies.
I'm too agile, too quick.
I wouldn't get caught by nozombies.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yeah, but if there's a horde of zombies, your
quickness and speed doesn't domuch if you're surrounded or
cornered.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
I mean, what if I'm in a house and zombies?
Have the whole place surrounded.
Let's say we're in our house,my house, right, yeah, I'll go
upstairs, break the window, hopon, like the garage through the
one window and then just jump.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Jump over him.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
If I was on top of a roof, versus you, I have a
better chance of getting off ofthat roof just because I'm a lot
more agile.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
I know how to tuck and roll.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
Yeah, let's see how well that works.
The order, I think would goChristian.
He would die because he isbroad-shouldered, so he's more
of a target for zombies in myopinion, if it's close quarters.
I feel like he would survive thelongest.
Then it'd be me, and then youwould know it's up 50-50.

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But I feel like it'd be youdying first.
It'd be something dumb.
You would die in 50-50, but Ifeel like it'd be you dying
first.
It'd be something dumb.
You would die in a dumb way.
I feel like you would die in adumb way, I don't know.
You'd be the type where, ifyou're being chased, you like
corner yourself in a closet orsomething I don't know.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
You have no confidence in me whatsoever?

Speaker 3 (14:22):
No, not really Not in Apocalypse.
Now, if there were World War Zzombies, nobody would survive, I
would kill myself.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
I mean, that's a different story.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
Who do you think would survive the longest?
Do you think you would?

Speaker 2 (14:40):
I think honestly Christian would survive the
longest.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
I would be right behind him.
I think Noah would be at thebottom.
Then who between me and you?
Who is it?

Speaker 2 (14:51):
I think I would survive the longest than you.
I just I know how to handleweapons.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
I know resources Me.
You and Aaron went out and Ishot better than you, it doesn't
matter.
And in the shooting range soyou're saying we're doing quick
draw.
I shot better than you in aquick draw One time, one time.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
I'm just a natural born shooter, yeah okay, I think
you just got too muchconfidence in yourself, which is
not a bad thing.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
I think you're too cocky.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
I'm confident you're cocky.
I'm confident you're cocky, I'mjust confident.
I think if it came down tohaving my wife and kids, I would
not be so reckless.
I would have to be careful,extra careful, and yeah, I mean,
if it was just you, you justgotta supply for yourself.

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I have to supply for three kidsand a wife.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
They're zombies.
They're the ones chasing you.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
I think, I would like to think, that I would
sacrifice myself if I let one ofmy kids get eaten like you
would let yourself die if yourkids got eaten if we were
cornered?
And the only way for them tolive was, to me, to dive into a
pile of zombies then you know, Idon't know if that's the right

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take on that.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
Let's say if it wait, is jessica still alive?
Your wife is she?
Would she still be alive?
Yeah, maybe, but she wasn't andyour kids were about to get you
.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
Oh yeah, you just might want to make it quicker
for your kids at that pointbecause, like if you sacrifice
yourself, then what's lorenzogonna do?

Speaker 2 (16:33):
they'll be on.
They'll be on their own.
Yeah, I get that aspect of it,but no, I think uh it'll be.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
You're in the running for the bottom.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
No, not in my head.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
Not in my head.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
But it does suck that Noah is in the bottom on both
of ours it's okay.
Noah, we love you, hey you knowNoah's getting in shape now.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
He's looking good.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
Good, it's because of that dog.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
It's a lot easier to get in shape now than it is to
wait a year and 30 oh yeah, tryto do it that way.
That sucks, but that's good.
I mean it keeps you busy.
I mean you feel better.
I mean I know before I like youjust feel sluggish, you feel

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slow, you feel tired all thetime and it's really hard to
beat a pump in the gym.
I mean you put your headphoneson, you focus in a good hour,
hour and a half working out, doa little treadmill and it's
almost like have you heard of arunner's high?

Speaker 3 (17:46):
Yeah, I was a runner, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
It's kind of like that you get into your second or
third set and you got bloodflowing through your body and
it's like you feel real good.
It's definitely a good feeling.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
I need to start going to the gym Now that soccer's
over.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
I got no real responsibility to stay in shape,
and then I just been going tothe gym and running.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
That's all I've been doing as skinny.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
You as you are, you could especially now you could
do a little bulk, hit thoseweights and then come summer you
could just do a cut and you'llbe, you'll be ripped dude summer
.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
You could just do a cut and you'll be.
You'll be ripped, dude.
The issue is is the way I eat.
I'm so picky.
Well, diet is a big part of it.
Well, yeah but in a bulk you caneat damn near whatever you want
, you just gotta eat a lot ofcut that I'm worried about it's
the cuts, the hard part, it'salways the hard part yeah, like
you, you got, you got a six-packunder that gut, you just, you
just haven't cut yet.
Exactly.
Yeah, there's a six-pack underthat.

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Gut, you just haven't cut yet.
Exactly, yeah, there's asix-pack there.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
You can feel it if you feel hard enough and use a
little bit of your imagination.
It's just covered all from fat.
It's the kids.
Oh yeah, the kids do it.
Well, I mean kids take up a lotof your time.
I mean by time to get a workoutlike schedule.
When you're working you gottatake care your kids, then you go

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work out and then you gotta trystill to spend time with your
you know wife and husband.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
Um it's tough.
Yeah, both of them wife andwife or husband no I, I heard
you uh talking your last podcastabout that, trying to you know.
At times you guys say you knowwhat you kids go do something.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Oh, I, I firmly believe sometimes you gotta say,
fuck those kids and you gottajust spend time with your spouse
.
Oh yeah, I, I truly believethat, because I think a lot of
people, a lot of couples or alot of parents, they get so
focused on kids, kids, kids it'sall about the kids.

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I gotta do everything for mykids.
I gotta give my kids all theattention, all the love which is
it's fine.
Yeah, your kids should feelloved.
But if you're gonna make amarriage work, you gotta spend
time with your, with your spouse.
You have to make sure you guysare connected mentally,

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emotionally everythingabsolutely and that's

Speaker 3 (20:18):
that's something even without kids you gotta you know
you gotta take care of yourselfself-care and it when you're in
a long relationship, becauseeven my relationship is getting
to that point.
Me and her have been togethersince junior year of high school
and I'm a senior in college nowand it's to the point where
we're both complacent.
It's, you know, nothing liketoo new that we're finding out

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about each other.
You know the honeymoon phase isover, so now we just had to be.
It's almost more work now tomake sure we feel the love still
.
We give each other the supportwe need, because it's easy just
to push them aside and be likeoh, we're together and we've
been together for a while, we'refine how we are it does take

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effort to you know go on datesthe love and be there mentally
for them.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
But the good thing about your situation is that
you're young and you're still incollege, very true, but the
interesting and the thing Ithink you have to look forward
to is that it's like a nextchapter of your life.
You're going to be graduatingcollege here pretty soon and you

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know you could.
You could go the routechristian did, where he stayed
at home for probably for a whilelike about seven years.
About seven years like what, 28when he moved out yeah, that
sounds about right but he wouldhave moved out sooner if it
wasn't for covid and the marketgoing absolutely crazy but I
mean, he did it in a smart waywhere he saved up, he paid bills

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, he paid his student loans.
So absolutely good for him.
You could go that route.
Or, if you want it, if youdon't want to stay at the house,
then you get a job, save up alittle bit and you get out, and
that's's the thing you two aregoing to be going through,
looking for an apartmenttogether.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
Then it's going to be Well actually her dad owns a
property and he has a house outthere.
She's already living on her ownthere.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
She pays rent.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
It's basically like an apartment, but just
essentially her own house, andshe pays rent there.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
So then, once you guys start living together and
waking up together, that's awhole nother story.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
Oh yeah, the story, cause I, you know, I told her my
plan Um, cause she's asked melike about marriage, like what,
what I think about it.
And I, I told her, I want toget my financial straight.
Once I get my financialstraight, we move in together.
I want two years together,living together, at least, and
then we can talk about marriage.
Do you have any credit cards?

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Have you signed up for anycredit cards.
I have a credit card under myname, but I don't pay that off.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Who pays for that?
My dad.
Okay, I was going to say,especially in your situation, I
wish someone told me about thisa while ago, especially in your
situation, I wish someone toldme about this a while ago.
A good channel to watch onYouTube is the Financial Audit
Caleb Hammer.
A lot of it is kind of like onthe entertaining side, but the

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other side of it is you hearthese stories of these people
who are in massive debt.
He's that younger kid, right,not a kid, he's probably almost
like 30 years old.
He's kind of a chubbier guy,does he have glasses?

Speaker 3 (23:33):
Yeah, okay, you know I'm not the biggest.
If I'm thinking of the rightperson.
He kind of has some kind ofjust people who have no idea of
how anything work on his channel, right but the process of what
like, what they've done, andtheir habits and their way of
thinking is typical among justthe average american yeah, that

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doesn't know anything about anytype of finances or how debt
works, how loans work.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
So I would like I would just recommend to you just
not because you're my brother,but anybody out there who's
young, right out of college oreven in college right now is
take a peek at his videos,because you hear these stories
of people who get themselves inmassive debts and it's usually

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due to credit cards, and it'ssomething that took me a while,
just honestly, just this year,to get my shit in order, because
we're trying to get me and mywife's debt down so we can buy a
new house.
And just the way that I shouldhave handled credit cards shit

(24:50):
five, ten years ago.
If I would have known what Iknow now, I would be in a five
time better position.
So that's why I asked you ifyou have a credit card or
anything like that, becausepeople get a credit card and
they just think, oh, this isinfinite money I'm gonna spend,

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spend, spend and they don'trealize the interest rates and
you have to pay it back and it'sbad.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
So that's why I recommend what's good for me is
I took a lot of econ classes orI have taken a lot of econ
classes.
You know microeconomics,macroeconomics, banking or
financial banking, and we learnabout interest rates, we learn
about debt, we learn about loansand it's really, once you learn

(25:40):
about it, it almost sounds likebasic information.
You would think right, peopledon't know it because nobody
teaches them.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Nope, I really wish high schools would teach just a
standard financial one-on-oneclass.
They don't, even if it was anelective.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
I would hope that it would be a mandatory course,
mandatory course but they reallyneed to need to have a
financial one-on-one to discussinterest rates, credit cards,
loans, how they work, uh, how toyou know?
Taxes pay your taxes becausepeople get it.
People don't like to pay taxesfor some reason, and then they

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just murder their financialsituations by that.
So I I really wish that highschools would prepare kids more,
because you get out of highschool, you go to college and
you get people on the streetsand with stands like discoverer
or chase, and hey, here's a card, sign up for free.

(26:45):
Blah, blah, blah.
And then now this kid, who hasno knowledge of money, spends
for pizza and video games andit's.
It's a really bad hole to getout of and so if you, if you
want to get some financialknowledge dropped on you and
also hear some crazy ass storiesand be entertained, I would

(27:08):
recommend Caleb Hammer financialaudit.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
I've seen his clips, but you know some people when,
like some people he talks to, hegoes you can't be eating out
everyday.
And they'd be like why not?
I'm like, what do you mean?
Why not like?

Speaker 2 (27:26):
you can't be eating out every day.
They'd be like, why not?
I'm like, what do you mean?
Why not?
You can't afford it.
People are in debt.
In a monthly period, people arespending like $300 to $600 on
eating out.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
It's crazy.
You would think that's basicknowledge, to know you can't do
that, but no one's ever taughtthem that.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
No one's ever told them that.
No one's ever told them thatthey just it's like free money.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
I think that comes down to a lot about parents as
well, because if you're a parent, you probably have a credit
card and you probably shouldhave a general idea of how it
works.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
But they have people in their 40s, 50s and 60s that
go on that show and still don'tunderstand how it is or what you
should be doing to befinancially set.
So it's a very wide spectrum.
You have 19-year-olds who arebeen had the same habits for

(28:25):
decades and they have dugthemselves into such a large
hole that they they don't haveanything to retire on and
they're gonna die on the walmartfloor.
That's what that's at leastwhat caleb says.
And then, uh, speaking of money, I did look up this, this

(28:46):
question, uh, I heard it onanother tiktok and I was like
you know what?
This would be a good questionfor kobe if you were offered a
million dollars to be a clownfor a year.
We're talking like the wholeget up face, paint everything.
You can never take it theoutfit off, not even when I'm

(29:07):
home alone.
Not even when you're home alone.
Okay, and you couldn't explainto anybody why you were doing it
.
Would you do that for a year ifit meant you'll get a million
dollars?

Speaker 3 (29:22):
So is that face paint and everything full year round?

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Face paint and everything you got to go year
and everything you got to go towork, you got to go to school,
you got to go to family events,you have to go to bed.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
Can I tell people afterwards, yeah, afterwards,
yeah, like yeah, I was a clownfor a year because I was someone
paid a million bucks yeah butwould you do go, do all that
assuming that, that the paindoesn't cause any irritation to
your skin and you come outhealthy at the end of it.
Right, yeah, I think I could doit.
I think I could do it, youthink you could do that.

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I think it would get tired.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
We're talking about the big shoes and the parachute
pants, I think I could do it.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
I think I could go through it If people could go to
prison for 40 years and somehowmake it work.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
I think I did prison.
You're, you go.
Yeah, I mean you're you kind ofhave your day planned out.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
Some people in there seem very happy, and now I could
dress as a clown for a year,make a million bucks.
Then, assuming I use that moneycorrectly, I could probably
retire pretty early, yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
But you think you could go to work in a clown suit
?

Speaker 3 (30:33):
Your work is the clown.
Wait, are you saying my jobisn't being a clown?

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Because you're not going to get paid until the
year's over, so you still haveto have a job.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
As of right now, I will just stay at home.
Okay, let's say it's 10 yearslater.
Okay, I'm by myself.
Okay.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
Let's say, five years from now.
You got your own place, you'rewith your lady.
Let's say you're with your lady.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
Does she know why I'm doing it?
Nope, she's going to leave me.
That's the risk you take holdon you said everything came out
fine at the end of it there's nopain and suffering, there's no
permanent damage.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
You just have to dress up as a clown every single
day for a year.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
What was my job beforehand?
Let's just say how much was Imaking.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Let's just say you landed a pretty decent job after
school and now let's just sayyou're in an office type setting
making $65,000 a year 10 yearsafter I graduate, I'm only
making $65,000.
We're saying five years.
So how old are you now?
21, so I'm 26.
So let's say you're 26, 27years old, I mean you're almost

(31:54):
30.
And you got an office settingtype of job and you're making
about $65,000 a year.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
I would be making more than $65,000.
No, this is a year I would bemaking more than 65.
This is a scenario.
If it's hypothetical, then Iwould do it.
You would do it.
But if we're talking aboutrealistically, in five to six
years, I can guarantee you I'llbe making at least 80,000 a year
.
You think so In five to sevenyears, I can guarantee it.
Doing what, whatever I do, Imean whatever.

(32:23):
Doing what, whatever I do, Imean whatever.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
I mean whatever.
What kind of answer is that?
So, whatever I decide to do,what's your plan in seven years?
I don't have one.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
So my goal is first out of college, just dip into
the job market.
Sure sure Test to see what Ilike.
But whatever I find out that Ilike like, I'm going to succeed
at it, no matter what, I'm goingto succeed at it, okay, and I
guarantee in six years I'll bemaking at least eighty thousand
dollars but you don't have anyidea what profession that's

(32:55):
going to be to anything thatrelates to talking with people.
I love talking to people.
I think my biggest strength istalking to people.
What do you want to do?
What do you want to do?
See, I don't Going into college.
I wanted to be an engineer.
Sure, didn't really care for it.

(33:16):
I don't know if it's becausefor three, four years I would
have to just be doing math andphysics only and I would not see
what it's like as an engineerat all, because Wabash doesn't
provide engineering classes.
So I had to do three or fouryears there and then two years
at Purdue.
So I wouldn't even find out ifI like engineering until five

(33:40):
years down the road.
So that didn't interest me onceI started taking classes.
Then I dipped into computerscience.
I just did not enjoy that.
Sitting behind the screen allday, not talking to anyone, was
not enjoyable.
And then that's when I landedon econ.
It's interesting, but I justdon't see what I would do with

(34:03):
econ like.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Well, I mean, have you researched on what?

Speaker 3 (34:09):
typically people like to go into accounting anything
with banking um financialadvisors and that doesn't
interest you no because that'sjust again sitting behind a desk
all day looking at charts andgraphs and how the economy is
working, essentially like, yeah,you talk to your clients, but
every job requires you to talkto probably some sort of client

(34:30):
at some point, if not co-workers.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
So you don't think and I know it's hard to say
right now or see the future.
So you don't think thatwhatever profession you're gonna
have in five, seven years, youdon't think it's going to even
pertain to what you're going tograduate with major.
You're going to graduate withit well, I guess I.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
So my major isn't econ, I'm a humanities major
okay so that is basically thestudy of like human actions,
behavior, um, culture, language,anything like that.
I feel like it will pertain tosome of what I learn, um, but I

(35:14):
don't think it's going to be100% what my major is so like.
Even like noah, he is doingwhat his major requires.
Christian, he's not doing whathis major requires.
I'm sure that Christian, hismajor helps when it comes to,
like, promotions and stuff, buteven if you don't have a college

(35:35):
degree, you could probably getthe job that he has Okay.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
So with that being said, kind of knowing Christians
.
Noah you're in my situationwhen it comes to secondary
education, yeah, do you believethat college is a requirement to
be successful or have asuccessful career?

Speaker 3 (36:00):
No, no, I definitely don't think college is required.
I think it helps.
I think, if you want a job thatdoesn't require you to, or at
least a physically demanding job, like a plumber, like an
electrician, this and thatcollege will help finding a job

(36:22):
that doesn't require electrician.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
That's more of a trade school it is you can't,
you're not gonna go to purdue tobe an electrician, but that's,
that's what I'm saying like.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
You don't need a college degree for like careers
like that, but those careers arephysically demanding oh yeah
yeah, yeah.
I worked as a low voltageelectrician for two summers.
Even those two summers, if Idid that for the next 10 years
of my life, my body would beaching so you don't think at all

(36:51):
and let's just keep yoursituation.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Yeah, so you don't think this four years, whatever
you graduated and let's just say, is some kind of humanity, or
yeah, you don't think at allthat those four years would be a
waste of time.
Let's just say, in six yearsyou are.
Let's just say a supervisorlet's just say a plant

(37:17):
supervisor.
Six years from now, plantsupervisor, you're making 80
grand.
You got a good life.
You don't think those fouryears at Wabash educational-wise
not experience-wiseeducational-wise would be a
waste of time?

Speaker 3 (37:33):
I don't think so.
Education-wise, going to schoolhas taught me how to critically
think, how to manage time, howto talk to people, how to use my
resources, and obviously youcan learn all that outside of
college.
Yeah, that's what I was going tosay too, but it's definitely a
lot harder.

(37:53):
You definitely don't have asmany, you don't have as great of
an access to help that you mayneed, like if you need to
research something.
You may not have any clue wherethe best places to research are
and if you, if you look atgoogle, you got library, you got
you do, but google searcheswill.

(38:17):
They can steer you towardscertain, you know, let's say,
political leaning answers.
Um, and just because somethingsays like, oh, this research was
done, like, you may not know ifit's something that's
trustworthy, if it's somethingthat was peer-reviewed, if it's
something credible, um, you knowyou, you obviously go out your

(38:37):
way to learn all of it, but Ithink that when you have people
who direct you towards the rightway, mixed with the experience
aspect of college, it's worth it.
For me.
I've talked with manyprofessors, given many
presentations.

(38:58):
Public speaking, I'll say, isone of the biggest things I
learned how to do.
When you're up in front of 50people, that's nerve-wracking.
If you're doing it for thefirst time and it's in a job
setting, there's no real way totrain for that.
You could talk to a group of 10friends.

(39:18):
That's not the same as talkingto 50 people.
Giving a speech about somethingthat you need to do research on.
So I think public speaking issomething that college teaches
pretty well, depending on whatclasses you take, and I think
that's another thing.
If you go into college thinkingI'm just here for a good time,

(39:38):
then it's a waste.
I think that's a waste of fouryears.
I know people who were smart inhigh school who I thought would
be really doing really well incollege.
They're getting c's and allthey're doing is partying.
That, to me, is a wastedexperience of college.
I think all the money thatthey're going to be spending,
all the money they have spent,is a waste just for that

(40:01):
experience.
You're spending fifteenthousand dollars a semester just
to go party.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
Essentially, yeah, and then so I have my answer,
and it is probably agenerational thing.
But let's just say, eight yearsfrom now, you have, you have
kids.
They grow up, they're go to goto high school.
Do you?

(40:27):
Are you gonna push them to goto college?
Are you gonna just accept ifthey say, daddy, I don't want to
go to college, I want to dothis.
A, b or c?
Do you think you're going to bethat parent to like no, no, no,
you're going to have to go to,you're going to have to do this,

(40:49):
you're going to have to do fouryears because that's the best
way to go.
What's your, what's your takeon that as of now.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
So if I have a kid and they don't know what they
want to do after high school.
I will make them go to college.
That way they can take classesand at least learn what they
like and don't like, instead ofworking at McDonald's for two
years just so they have somemoney and then going to another
being a server for another fewyears.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Let's just say they, they have an idea If they have
an idea.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
as long as they are pursuing that idea, I'll be okay
with it.
That's fair.
Let's say they go into thetrades, as long as they go
through the classes they need.
I'll be fine with it.
But now, if it's something likethey want to be an influencer,
but come on.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
I mean at that point let's say realistically, you'll
have kids in eight years.
A lot's going to change ineight years.
Like influencers, now they'vetaken it's like a boom industry.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
They have.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Influencers now.
Who knows how it's going to bein eight years.
That's true.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
But I would say I would tell them if you want to
be in eight years.
So that's true.
But I would say I'll tell themif you want to be an influencer,
I'll support you, but if itdoesn't work, then that's three,
four years where you're makingno money I think, if you educate
them and yeah give them thekind of like the consequences,
yeah, but I.
I mean, I think that if theywanted to do that, I would

(42:25):
require them to do some localschooling, at least bare minimum
.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Or maybe online schools.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
Online or something like that, because a lot of my
friends go to Purdue and Hammond, I think it is.
They have class twice, maybethree times a week, I think it
is.
They have class twice, maybethree times a week.
If you do that, you justsucceed in getting a four-year
degree that way and you haveplenty of time to be at home to

(42:51):
do whatever you want to do.
Let's say if it's gaming, let'ssay if it's make TikToks.
You have plenty of time to dothat with the only three-day
schooling schedule.
So I would say, do that minimumAt least, then you get an
education.
Find out what you like anddon't like.
If this influencer thingdoesn't work out and I think

(43:11):
there's a lot of people who areinfluencers now who did do both,
and a lot of them who don't doboth they're kind of big back
when they're 12, 13, 14 yearsold, like the Paul brothers.
They're big when they're likeof big back when they're 12, 13,
14 years old.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Yeah, like the paul brothers, they're big when
they're like 15 years old even alot of the vine, like when vine
was a thing, you had a lot ofpopular people and a lot of them
did not transition well toyoutube or tiktok and a lot of
them just fell off and they'regonna be having to get actual
jobs now, oh yeah, with noresume, no prior like you know

(43:47):
experience, it's a risk, it is,it really is definitely it is
high risk, high reward, but Imean, but everyone we see there.
For one successful personthere's probably thousands of
others who were successful thesame thing as trying to make it
big in the major league baseballor or professional sport in

(44:07):
general, especially like inbaseball, where you have it goes
from you play, you know, littleleague with hundreds of
thousands of kids across thecountry, then you get to high
school.
Now you're playing with tens ofthousands of kids.
Then you get to college.

(44:28):
That's even.
It's like the talent or there'sdifferent levels in college and
stuff.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
So I mean I mean just like my experience, right like
playing soccer.
Uh, you know, I started at oneof the lowest divisions for club
team team.
With that team we worked ourway up, became one of the top
teams in Indiana.
We would go to different partsof the country Washington,
arizona, nevada go to all thesetop-ranked tournaments.

(44:54):
We would succeed.
High school we succeeded prettywell.
I was one of the best playerson both least like I started.
So that means something.
I was the captain for both.
I only played d3 in college andgot a total of like 260 minutes
in college of all four years.

(45:15):
So that tells you how big thatcompetition is.
If me, who was the best, orlike not the best, but one of
the top players.
I'm in high school club on twoteams who are pretty big in the
state of indiana who succeedoutside of the country as well.
I'm getting 260 minutes incollege out of four years.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
Granted, I probably could have done more, but also
just shows how good people are,and that also comes down to if,
if you yourself have determinedin your head that you are going
to be the best at what you do,then the work you put in is
going to show a hundred someonewho just has just made in their

(46:01):
mind that I am going to dowhatever it takes to get to the
professional level at theirsport.
That means working, doing somekind of drills or working every
single day, working harder thanthe person next to you, compared
to someone who loves the sport,is good at it but maybe doesn't

(46:25):
want it they don't have like apassion, that next person.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
But now I'll say this even the person who works every
day trains like their lifedepends on it.
Of all those people, onepercent make it out of that.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
It's the one percent of the one percenters I mean a
lot of it is hard work and a lotof it is just comes to natural
talent and yeah, for sure.
I mean, if you have a littlebit of both, then the chances
tend to rise in your favor alittle bit, but you still?

Speaker 3 (46:54):
gotta think it's millions of people who are
trying to get to where you'retrying to get to and that's not
even just in the uS, it'sinternational too.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Yeah, and that's why it's so hard.
And that's why if you don'thave that drive at a young age
and you go to like senior inhigh school, you're like you
know what I want to play MajorLeague Baseball.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
You're probably a little too late.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
I mean, there's kids that start at like 11 and 12,
and that's just it.
Like baseball is life.
They work out on their own,they're doing drills on their
own, they're out there every day.
They're the first one there,last one to leave type of work
ethic and that's what it takes.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
Let me ask you Do you think a work ethic, do you
think people are born with thator do you think that could be
taught?

Speaker 2 (47:47):
I believe it could be taught.
It's probably going to beresponsible and is given the

(48:11):
resources.
Because if you grew up in ahousehold where it's like laid
back or oh, it's okay, you don'thave to go to practice today,
if you're tired, okay, then yeah, it's gonna be harder for
someone to just click in theirhead that okay, I want to.

(48:32):
I really love this sport.
I'm gonna do whatever I have todo.
A lot of times, especially atyounger age, you have to like
drag your kids to practice andthat's why you get that rare kid
who is like already in the carready to go to practice because
he wants to be there, and so Ithink it could be taught and it

(49:00):
has to be kind of like.
You have to be in thatenvironment from a little age to
kind of get that mentality inyour head.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
Well, you see me and Noah, which is my older brother,
but we both are 18 months apart.
We played on the same team foreverything.
My mentality when it comes tosports is a lot different than
his.
We grew up in the sameenvironment, grew up in the same

(49:27):
leagues and the same house andthe same rules and everything.
My mentality nobody, nobody.
This is true all the way intohigh school or not high school
college.
Nobody had the mentality topush themselves when it comes to
running, more than me.
It took college for me to findsomebody like that, noah.

(49:48):
Noah would have to be the oneto get dragged to practice.
He's crying in the bathroom.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
It also comes down to , as you grow, what interests
you in life you in life if noone kind of leans to you know
his hobbies more than being anathlete.
Well then of course he's onlygonna do the bare minimum of

(50:14):
going to practice playing games.
Maybe he likes playing soccerand that he not to the extent.
Not to the extent that someonewants to be like this is my life
and I'm gonna do what I gottado to be the best.
There's definitely a differencebetween someone's like I'm
gonna be the best at my sportand then there's someone who's I

(50:36):
love this game, but half thetime I don't want to go.
I'd rather hang with mygirlfriend or hang with my
friends, like there's a nightand day in that.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
And then there's also a difference with you know.
Let's say, two people love,like the sport, right, they have
the passion.
They're on that side of thementality.
Now there's two mentalitieswithin that I'm the best or I'm
going to work to be the best.
So one's like One's being cocky.
That comes to natural talenttoo.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Some people are just naturally talented to where they
could do minimal work.
But I think in the long run theperson who had to work to be
the best will most likely, inthe end of their career, will be
the hall of famer in that storymost of the time well, even if

(51:29):
we're not talking about like,pro, like for my team.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
My team had a lot of issues in college, especially
two years ago and last year,where the best players on our
team had the worst mentalitypossible, like, oh, I don't know
why, you're on the field, shutup, you're not as good as me.
And then you have the otherpeople who start and they're

(51:53):
like hey, let's go, keep going,keep pushing.
So those are two separatementalities there.
One is a team player, one is anindividual player, and for me I
don't know how much that couldbe taught or changed.
Because, in the four years withyou know the one or two people

(52:13):
who had that mentality of oh,it's all about me.
Their mentality never changed.
Our coaches tried teaching thatmentality but they couldn't.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Well, and a lot of times too, and I coach baseball,
even if it's at a younger ageright now.
But as a coach you can haveplayer A who's just a stud.
You know, hits line, drives homeruns, has a killer arm, but
he's a dick to his teammates.
Killer arm, but he's a dick tohis teammates.

(52:45):
Yeah, and then you'll havesomeone.
You'll have player b who ispretty good, does the basics,
knows the game, uh, hits apretty good ball, but he is a
team leader, picks his teammatesup.
I would, in my opinion, eightout of ten times I think a coach
would rather have player B thanplayer A, because a player A

(53:08):
who's going to be toxic for theteam?
And if you lose, if you're justgoing to bring your team down,
you're going to just have a badexperience.
And I tell my kids that I coachall the time.
I'd rather lose every singlegame.
But you guys understandleadership, being a team player,

(53:33):
learning the game, gettingbetter than going undefeated,
and half my team are dickheads.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
I mean it teaches them a lot longer to just
outside of baseball, I mean itteaches them no longer to just
outside of baseball, I mean itteaches them life skills to you
know.
Be a team leader to try stayingpositive even when you know the
energy is down.
You know going through hardstuff.
Keep pushing through.
It teaches them good habits.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Because someone who just gives their kid everything
they want and says yes all thetime when they get into an
environment where they're notwinning and they're not getting
the praise or if they're notgetting their results they want,
they're just a big baby becausethey've.
They've never been told no orthey never had to work get to a

(54:19):
level that most people have todo to to win a game or become a
team.
You know so for sure.
I definitely.
But that that is a goodquestion as far as if that
mentality can be taught and I Ithink it could be taught, but

(54:42):
it's you have to do it at such ayoung age oh yeah, and you're
14 years old, ready to go tohigh school, and you're like.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
Can it happen yeah, anything can happen.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
you could be a mediocre player until you get to
high school and then ifsomething switches in your head
and you just go balls out andevery day you're in the cage,
every day you're taking groundballs and oh yeah you'll, you'll
turn it around.
You have a shorter period toshow that you could play college
ball, but it could happen inthe household.

(55:27):
Because if if you never getpushed to do anything, then
where do you get the mentaldrive to do it?
And that's what kind of suckslike with me growing up.
Um, you know, our mother wasfor a lot of years a single
mother, especially before yougot she was never single in me.
knowing her, I know but beforeshe met Roman, roman, she raised

(55:52):
me and Christian with the helpof, of course, our grandma.
When you get parents like thatwho have to work all the time,
parents like that who have towork all the time, and you know
she, she pushed me to to dosports and stay busy and stay
out of trouble, but I never hadthat push to really succeed in,

(56:16):
like one certain aspect or onesport like baseball and like I
love baseball and at a young ageI was good and good enough to
play high school, not goodenough to play college ball.
But I, I go back and think likeI wasn't in the batting cages

(56:36):
every day yeah, I wasn't in theworkout room every day Like I,
like I wish I could go back andtell myself or just go back in
the past, Like like look, we'regoing to go hit off the tee for
15 minutes and then we're goingto work on our throw downs for
15 minutes.
Like I wish I had thatmentality and I wish I had that

(57:00):
drive.
And you know, mom she's, shedid what she did.
You know she could do.
She didn't play baseball, shedidn't play softball.
When she was a kid she didn'thave that mentality, she was
just trying to survive and andthere's no money, like there was
an extra money to where she gothired somebody exactly exactly

(57:20):
so it's like I envy my oldestson so much now because he has
all these resources to be goodand he is good and like, and I
tell him all the time, like whenhe's in batting cages at
practice, I'm like dude, you're10 years old and you've probably

(57:42):
had more swings in your 10years of living that I have had
in my entire life Because Inever had private lessons, I
never did anything extra outsideof baseball, never did any of
the travel ball stuff where weworked out in the winter Like
he's got all these massiveresources to him.

(58:08):
I wish I had that and I'm hopingat some point he gets that
drive to want to be the best inthe country.
He's not quite there yet,because he's a typical kid.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
He's a kid.
He wants to play video games,especially all the stuff that we
got today.
There's so many things thatcould distract him.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
And I'll take some of the fault too.
I'm not always pushing him likeI should be or like I I think
about in my head.
Like you know, I could beprobably just like really hard
on.
I'm like, look, we're going outevery day, but then I get

(58:53):
scared, like I don't want to,not want to play baseball yeah,
right, can you imagine he's like16 and he's done with it and
then like his childhood was gonebecause he all he did like 16
and he's done with it and thenlike his childhood, was gone,
because allhe did was baseball, and that's
my scare is that I want to pushhim and put him all these
training because I want him tobe 10 times better than what I

(59:15):
was and I want him to play highschool ball.
I want him to play college balland of course I want him to go
to the majors, obviously.
But I'd be happy if he playedcollege ball and of course I
want him to go to the majors,obviously.
But I'd be happy if he playedcollege ball, like, even if it
was like a d1, d2, even juco,like yeah, I would love that for
him, but I can't play for himand I can't train for him he has

(59:40):
to want to do it, he has towant the drive to be the best
and to make it to the level.
And right now he doesn't have aquite that because, like I said
, he rather play fortnight or herather go hang out with his
friends, which is it's it'snatural.
It's natural but it's thatperson that ends up going to the

(01:00:02):
majors and that person who justplays Little League and nothing
else after high school.
That's the two main differences.
You have a kid who wants to bethere, has a goal and will do
everything he can to get there,and you have a kid who just

(01:00:22):
likes playing baseball but justdoesn't have that drive to do it
?

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
I mean like talking.
I guess it's good to mentionthat me and your half-brothers
were what?
15 years apart in age, so mydad was able to get me like
lessons, get me training allthroughout and, thinking back, I
hated it.
I didn't want to do it, Ididn't want to do the workouts,
I didn't want to put in theextra work and I still made it

(01:00:50):
to D3 college, right.
But looking back, I do wish Idid more.
It's always but at the same time, I don't regret it, right Like
I don't regret that I didn't domore, I am happy it's.
At the same time, I don'tregret it, right Like I don't
regret that I didn't do more, Iam happy, Like well.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
It's just one of the things is like well, if I did do
more.
I might have been playing D2 orD1.
But you know, you live andlearn.

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
It's just part of the life experience.
I never thought I'd go pro.
You know, my goal was never togo pro.
My goal was just to play aslong as I can and have the best
time I can.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Yeah, for sure, I mean, it's one thing if you said
I want to go pro and then havethe career you had, and then now
you're just beating yourself upbecause you're like why I
should have worked harder, Ishould have done.
But if your goal was what yourgoal was and you met your goal,
then by all means you're happy.
You know, and that's all.

(01:01:47):
That's all that matters, ohyeah.
I definitely think that whatteam you get placed on is a big

(01:02:07):
part of it too, because I'll say, for two years in college I
kind of wanted to quit justbecause of the mentality that
our team had.
Overall, you could also said toyourself like, look, I wanna,
I'm gonna work twice as hard,I'm gonna try to transfer out
and go somewhere else, like thatwas an option it was, but also
wabash is known to be a reallygood school, so I don't know how
much you know about wabash, butlike we, have.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
Also, wabash is known to be a really good school, so
I don't know how much you knowabout wabash, but like we have,
or, wabash is the second bestalumni network in the country.
Yeah, uh, the median wage, uh,for a mid-career is 150 000
dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
No, I'm just saying like at any point in any from
when you're 10 years old tohalfway through college you
always have that opportunity tobe like look, I'm going to work
like I've never worked before,because now my goal is to get to
that level and it's on me toget to that level.

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
That might have been a different story.
But me being D3, getting okayminutes my first year, a little
less.
Second year after putting inwork and being told I'm
improving each year and I'mdoing what I'm supposed to be
doing, after three years beingtold that and my third year not
playing at all, it was more.

(01:03:20):
So my mentality went to justyou know what?
You have a year and a half left, just have fun with it, enjoy
as much as you can.
So that that became mymentality.
Um, not upset about it, just Ienjoyed my final year.
Honestly, it was probably themost fun I ever had in college,
just because all my stress wasgone, like I wasn't stressing

(01:03:43):
about playing, I wasn'tstressing about impressing the
coach, I just played my versionof soccer and honestly, I think
it was the best I've ever playedand I enjoyed it.
I definitely think it was thebest year that I had for soccer.
Even though I didn't play atall, even though I barely

(01:04:03):
dressed, it was my best year andit was my most favorite year.
So I mean, it's all situationalin my opinion, but yeah, it was
fun.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
It was a fun experience I mean in 10 years
from now.
If you're able to look back inyour college years and say, you
know, I had a good time, I don'thave any regrets, then yeah,
then you did something right,then yeah yeah, because a lot of
people, a lot of people tend tojust let regret, just tear them

(01:04:37):
down, oh yeah can't move onbecause they're too busy living
in the past and it's not a helphealthy way?

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
oh no, not at all at it all, right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Um, moving away from the whole school talk, I got
another question.
I'm curious on what your answerwill be, and I thought of this
question just because I knew youwere coming over.
If you woke up tomorrow as awoman and just for some reason,

(01:05:15):
a sign on your mirror said youwill be a woman for a whole 24
hours.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
What am I doing first ?

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
What are you doing?

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
first it's okay.
What are you doing?
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
I really let's see.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
I guess Are you going to masturbate.

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
I don't know if it would be the first thing I did,
but it would be on the list itwould probably be on the list.
I mean, everyone wonders how itfeels for the other gender.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
Would you get it?
I would not.
Would you have sex?
I would not.
Would you have sex?
I would not.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
You know what I would probably do.
I'd probably message one of myfriends Come over and smash no,
no, no, I wouldn't do that Iwould lead them on Uh-huh and
then, like right before, I'llsay something to where they'll
know that it's me and know thatit's me, and then they'll look

(01:06:20):
at me, be like how'd you, how'dyou know?

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
that I'm like it's me it's kobe, and then I want to
see how they spend half your dayexactly, I feel like that would
be so funny because nobodywould believe them no, no one,
no one would believe you because, I mean, you would literally be
transformed into what would I,what I kind of look like myself,
still Would I have like somequalities to where I mean your
personality will stay the same.

(01:06:42):
Yeah, personality.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
But I'm talking about looks Like if you saw me, would
I?

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
look like a sister to myself.
Yeah, I would say you wouldlook like a sister to yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
I don't think my friends would fall for it then.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
You don't think so.
I mean like you, just grew likelong ass, like bleach blonde
hair.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
Oh god, I don't know what I would do, honestly,
because I mean what?
What besides like touch yourown boobs and masturbate like
what?
What else are you gonna do you?

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
you wouldn't want to know what it feels.

Speaker 3 (01:07:17):
I would not know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
I'm why not, it's a one in a lifetime yeah, it's
sure, but it's like, who likeyou?

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
who are you gonna want to look at for the rest of
your life?
It takes like no effort forwomen to get like no, literally
go to that bar that night andhave a one night stand yeah, and
then you live the rest of yourlife.
So they can damn.
I really let some dude do thatto me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
But you were a woman.
It's not like you let some dudepenetrate your butthole.

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
Well, it's not much of a difference.
I mean, you're still.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
It's totally different.

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
I mean what, just even now, like when it comes to
to gender, it's whateverSomebody feels that they are.
If just cause I turn a womanDoesn't mean I'm not gonna feel
Like a dude still we're nottalking about Mental health.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
We're talking about you magically Transform into a
woman?

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
I would still feel like a dude.
You have a vagina, yeah, but Iwould know that I'm a dude at
heart.
I'm not gonna be Like what.
Then I'm have to act like I'mat least into it, like you're
gonna act like you're into adude.
No, no you don't.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
You don't have to look at the dude, you could just
lay there and take it so youjust keep the lights off so
you're gonna go to somebody, belike you want to have sex, just
straight face, no flirting.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
They say, yeah, you just go with them yeah I'll go
back to their place.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
That's why you would die.
That's why you would die firstin a zombie apocalypse, because
this is your curiosity.
That's one in a lifetimeopportunity.
Just go get pegged.
No, that's different.
Are you really?

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
comparing pegging to vaginal penetration.
You wouldn't know, I wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
Okay so you can't make the assumption that I'm not
saying that it feels the same.

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
It'd probably be more satisfying because they do say
that G-spot's three inches upyour ass, so it might be more
satisfying for you as a guy.
Go try it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
If you're willing to try that as a woman, you're
willing to try it as a guy, butat that point I know it's a guy
on guy At least if I'm a woman,I'm a woman, it's pegging.
I'm a woman.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
It could be a woman.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
Oh well, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right.
You're right, Exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
Oh, now you're into it.
Now I'm thinking about it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
Now you're like we're going to get one.
I don't think I would have,even in a life-threatening
situation, if someone put a gunto my head and said you got to
take one up the ass.
I don't know if I would justlike okay, okay, do it.
I think I would have to ponderon it.

(01:09:44):
Okay, let me ask you this,that's hard.

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
$10,000 per backshot, how many are you taking?

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
$10,000?
Yeah, per.
So that way, okay.
So just so I'm clear.
So when you say backshot, Okay,let's just.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
Every time they thrust, every time they thrust
it's $10,000.
Oh, so for every thrust.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
Every thrust.
They don't have to finish.
They don't have to.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
But I mean it's like if you start something, how are
you not going to finish?

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
it, so I could rack up like a hundred.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
You could go all the way up to a million bucks, if
you wanted to.
It depends how much you want totake Dude $10,000 a thrust.
Oh, but for your life.
You couldn't do it Because it'sjust like $10,000, you're
debating on how many you take.
But for your life, for yourkids, for your family.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
I'm legitimately thinking like would I do it for
$10,000?
And then how many thrusts wouldI take to set myself up?
Dude, because I guess it wouldhave to depend on the size.

Speaker 3 (01:11:03):
These are the questions you gotta ask.

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
Of course I don't know man.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
Let's say it's so hard to you.

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
See, I don't know about you, but in like you see
porn, and I was in high schoolbefore.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
Come on, god like some of that stuff is rough and
then you know, and it's, oh mygod, and you, they act like.
They like it because they haveto, because it's it's it's porn.
You, you would act.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
Hey for $10,000 each.

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
I'll do whatever they want.
They want me to act like I likeit.
You know what?

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
How many thrusts will you take Realistically?
So 10 thrusts is $100,000.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
I'll take 100 thrusts , I think I could handle 10.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
Once you get to that 10 thrust, I'm like, okay, I
think I could handle 10.
I think once it got to that10th rust, okay, okay, I'm done
100k, give it to me that's but100k.

Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
That's a lot, but it's not like something that can
set you up pretty well, rightso it's like if you're going for
it, you might as well go tolike where it's worth it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
You know what I mean, like 500 like, just like, like
a million, like I mean you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:20):
You gotta think, though, like if you're you don't
start something and not finishit, like how long could the guy
go for?
I bet I'll last him like oh nowe're gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
We're gonna assume there's a line of guys, oh god,
just they take one each.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
It's just oh god yeah , well, a one in a ten chance
that they have something oh, Iknow right, I didn't even think
about that no, all right, let'sassume they're clean let's say
this is it's a professionalsetting, everyone's clean
everyone's signed contracts,everyone's got their test no I
don't, I don't know that's.

(01:12:55):
It's tough because it's tough.
You can leave with a milliondollars or you can leave with
your dignity.
It's one or the other.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
Would anybody know About this?
Like is this going to bePublicly?

Speaker 3 (01:13:12):
Let's say it's one person who does it to you.
They can talk if they want.
They can talk if they want, ohGod, they could talk if they
want, but If there's no, video.
Let's say there's no video.
Okay, but let's say no video.
But everyone hears the rumorsand they don't know about the
money you made.
Oh, they don't know about themoney?

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
No, but you could tell them.
You could tell them about themoney and then if I walk out
there with like $500,000.

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
If you start rolling around in the new Tesla they're
going to know you got a gooddeal.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
But you always have that chance of what's that
plausibility?
Is it plausibility ordeniability?
I guess these are the.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
Would you rather eat a cake and sign a?

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
dick or sign a cake or a dick.
No, I'd eat all this shit.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
Those are the questions you got to ask.
What has this conversationgotten to?
I don't know.
I don't know what kind ofquestion was that?

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
Oh, because we talked about if you were a woman.

Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
Oh yeah, that's right .
How do we?

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
If we go back to that question.
If we go back to that question,I think I would be curious
enough to see how vaginalpenetration would be and we
could end it right there, but Iwould admit good for you.

Speaker 3 (01:14:32):
I also learned that you wouldn't take it to save
your life, but you'd take it for$100,000.
I think I would be in a moredistressful that you wouldn't
take it to save your life, butyou'd take it for $100,000.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
That's what's crazy to me.
I think I would be in a moredistressful.

Speaker 3 (01:14:43):
Oh, so you want to enjoy it as much as possible, is
what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
But it's more like someone's giving me an
opportunity to make money,rather than put me in a scenario
where you die or you take this.

Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
I don't know, Hold on , hold on.
So you're the $20 is $20 typeof guy.

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
Yeah, I guess so.

Speaker 3 (01:15:04):
I guess.
So oh, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
But yeah, I mean, it is what it is.
Sometimes you got to make moneythe way you got to make money.
Oh my God, if I could setmyself up and my family up for a
while, pay debts off, buy a newhouse, be debt free, I think I
could endure five minutes.

(01:15:29):
Whatever you can get done infive minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:15:32):
Yup, yup, yup, yup.
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
But another question I want to ask you.
I think this would be a coolone I was thinking about this
earlier.
If you could fake your owndeath, what would be your crazy
exiting story?
Like the whole point of fakingyour death is to have a crazy

(01:15:59):
story.
So what, what do you think yourcrazy story would be?

Speaker 3 (01:16:05):
I think that I would get famous for something, I
don't know what, probably somesort of influencing situation
we're just saying like right now, or like what kind of death?

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
Oh, right now, like right now, let's just say
tomorrow, you fake your death asyou.

Speaker 3 (01:16:22):
So the crazy like.
What kind of crazy death wouldI have?

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
But you could make up your own death story and it
would be true.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
Oh, okay, I thought you were saying, like, what
would lead up to you faking yourdeath?

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
Okay, it's like like, oh, colby died and it was why.
How did he die your?
What will your story be?

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
man, I honestly I probably fake my death by dying
in a helicopter crash, just sopeople are like, wow, it
happened to two differentcolby's.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
Oh, that's messed up that is hey people, people would
talk about it and I would makenational news In the same area.

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
Same spot.
Second Kobe died.
Tell me that wouldn't makecrazy headline news.
What are the chances Exactly?
I feel like that's crazier thansomebody saying, oh, he got
pushed into a volcano.
I feel like another Kobe diedin a helicopter crash Same spot.

(01:17:22):
I think that's crazier.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
No, I mean, I guess I didn't think about that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
I mean, if you're faking your own death, you want
it to be believable.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
So it's like I'm just saying like, whatever you say
people, I'm saying whatever yousay people are going to believe
what happened.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
Okay, I suffocated to death while she was sitting on
my face.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
Yeah, that could be one.

Speaker 3 (01:17:49):
There's so many memes going around saying like using
that as an example, andeverybody saying like I respect
that, I respect that.
I mean he took it.
You know how many high fivespeople give each other?
No it realistically if I wereto choose my own death.
Just to make it sound badass, Ifeel like every like guy has

(01:18:13):
thought about this.
But like sacrificing yourselffor like the greater good of
something like you wereprotecting a child yeah, like
something crazy like that.
I feel like a death, like thatpeople would like put so much
respect on your name, so whatwould your story be?

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
okay, so you're a hero.
What did you do to become ahero?

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
I let's see never really go ahead and think about
it.
That's kind of a complexquestion, it's like there's a
lot of scenarios.
Yeah, there's a lot, but it'slike what tragedy do I want to
stop?
Like you know, if I could goback in time, I'd deter 9-11.
I'd stop a plane hijacking.
That would be dope.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
We're just saying tomorrow the real world.
What's going on?
Kobe passed away, oh my God.
And he passed away because hepulled a child off a high-speed
train.
No, that's not cool enough.
A high-speed train?
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:19:17):
A high-speed train?
No, that's not cool enough.
A high-speed train?
I don't know A high-speed train.
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
Hey, they got bullet trained, so come at me.

Speaker 3 (01:19:28):
Kobe climbed a burning building.
Okay To no, that's not coolenough.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
You climb like on the outside.
Yeah, on the outside I scaled askyscraper in Chicago.

Speaker 3 (01:19:46):
No, like, stop in some sort of shooting and like
it results in taking your ownlife, but yeah, everyone else is
saved.
How many lives did you save?
Let's say it was at like a mallor something, or okay.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
yeah, so potentially huh, so you had your own no, no,
no, that's, that's what makesit cool.

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
You just run out, grab the gun barehanded.
Shit bought enough time now.
Did you kill the?

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
the shooter, or yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:20:16):
let's say he, he like , shoots me twice, but somehow I
still wrestle the gun away fromhim.

Speaker 1 (01:20:21):
I get him.

Speaker 3 (01:20:22):
Now I'm laying down, I'm being carried out to the
ambulance, everyone's lookingOkay, so you died on the way to
the hospital.
Yeah, they see me being carriedout and they all see it's all
clapping.
They would have a memorial.
Exactly, you know how well,that well, I guess they can't
see.
Well, we're talking aboutfaking it.
We can't really fake that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
No, but you could still be on the you'll be on the
news for weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:20:45):
You'll have a whole memorial Exactly Each year
somebody will mention it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
They'll name a building after you.
They'll probably have ascholarship after you.
That'd be a cool way to go out.

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
You know how I would want to go.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
I'm gonna regret asking how it's not as crazy as
you think I would want them tosay.
I would want them to say that Idied wrestling a gorilla, a
silver bag gorilla, and Iactually took that gorilla down.

(01:21:23):
But in the process of takinghim down I got beaten so badly
that I died.
But that gorilla will never bethe same because his dignity
will be hurt.

Speaker 3 (01:21:39):
So the gorilla survived.
So in the end, the gorillasurvived and you just died.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
But yeah, the gorilla survived.
But I jumped in that cagebecause I was saving a
four-year-old.

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
Okay, so this is you versus Harambe is what you're
saying.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
Hell yeah, but I took that gorilla down, I saved that
kid.
He got the best of me.
He killed me, which okay, but Itook him down, broke his arm,
busted his jaw and hurt hisdignity.

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
I don't think the gorilla really has dignity that
he cares about why he sees thesmaller person or animal and
gorilla's supposed to be.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
I'm the king of the jungle baby.
That's a lion saint, but itdon't matter, he's the, he's,
he's king, shit clearly hewasn't that good if he's in a
cage.
Don't, don't, don't, don't,Listen.
Your death is a lame death.
All right, my story.

Speaker 3 (01:22:43):
It's lame.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
I took on a silverback gorilla and lost
those.
Things are like 1,300 pounds, 8feet tall, and I took one down.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
I should have killed him, but you didn't, but I
didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
So you failed, but that four-year-old is alive
because of my heroic maneuvers.

Speaker 3 (01:23:11):
No, I don't.
That's just lame.
That's lame.
That's a lame way to go out.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
Not even getting it Like killing it.
It's my way, though you haveyour way.
I have my lame.
That's a lame way to go out.

Speaker 3 (01:23:19):
Not even killing it, it's my way, though you have
your way, I have my way.
It's the wrong way.
But lame Silverback grill, whynot grizzly bear, brown bear,
that'd be a lot cooler, oh dude.

Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
I think it's more realistic yeah okay, yeah, all
right, sure.
Realistic.
Realistic to take, yeah, okay,yeah, all right, realistic, hey,
but um, that one guy thatleonardo dicaprio played you
know what movie I'm talkingabout where he didn't take on a
grizzly bear but he survived agrizzly bear attack.
You know what movie I'm talkingabout?

(01:23:52):
No, fuck, it's um, I can'tremember the name, but you have
no idea what I'm talking about.
None it was a movie and it wasbased on a real person, like
back in the frontier days and Iguess he survived a grizzly bear
attack and he healed himself upand it was a long journey type

(01:24:15):
of movie.
Did it recently come out?
No, it was.
Okay.
Now you're going to have tomake me look it up, leonardo.

Speaker 3 (01:24:27):
Yeah, I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
I can't believe.

Speaker 3 (01:24:29):
The only thing that I remember about a bear is in
Grey's Anatomy.
There was a situation wherethey're attacked by a bear and
it caught its guts out Revenant.
What the Revenant?
No, that sounds familiar, butI've never seen it Literally.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
One of the first things that comes up was the
Revenant bear scene real, and Ijust about to make myself look
like a fool because it says noreal bear, oh wait.
Hold on it says no real bearwas used in making of the scene,
instead a combination of astuntman.
But I'm trying to figure out.
Did it really happen?

Speaker 3 (01:25:06):
I'm sure there's a situation like that.
I don't know, brown bear, youjust got to run for your life.
Fight as much as you can, butbrown bears, those things are
crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
And I saw something.
Okay, real quick, and we'll endit off this question, and it's
a legitimate question.

Speaker 3 (01:25:31):
If you were in the sea and you have a the sea, the
sea, the ocean, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:36):
And you see a shark.
It could be hammerhead.

Speaker 3 (01:25:41):
A shark's a shark.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
A shark is a shark.
What, in your opinion?
What do you do if you're justfloating in the water and you
see a shark coming at you?
What is your first instinct todo?

Speaker 3 (01:25:57):
Don't swim away from it.
Okay, uh, you would want tolook at like where it's coming
from, but you get like there's asupposed.
Supposedly you could easilylike deter them by like you.
If they're like swimming at you, you put your hand on their
nose and redirect, and andredirect them.

(01:26:18):
That's what I've seen happen,but do you?

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
think in that moment that you're going to be calm and
not swim away.
I feel like your first instinctwould be to swim.

Speaker 3 (01:26:33):
That's hard.
It is hard.
I don't think I'd ever go onwater where there could be
sharks.
I'm scared, I'm scared, I'mscared of the ocean.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
Hell yeah, me too.
I've been to California andFlorida and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:26:44):
I don't think I'd swim in that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
I would never go past the buoys.

Speaker 3 (01:26:48):
Even then, most attacks don't happen past the
buoys.
Have you seen overhead aerial?

Speaker 1 (01:26:55):
shots of the water.
Well, those buoys go outfucking far.

Speaker 3 (01:26:57):
Have you seen overhead aerial shots of the
water, I know, but have you seenthe overhead shots?

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
You just see a bunch of sharks swimming around,
because there's been cases wheresharks have just come more
shallow than they have in thepast.
So yeah, I see that.

Speaker 3 (01:27:13):
I don't know if I'd have composure.
It's hard to say I would liketo think I have the composure
for that, knowing that swimmingaway.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
But if you see a fucking fin on top of the water,
and then you go under the waterand you see this massive-ass
shark.
It's like that's what that?
But you were right.
They say don't swim awaybecause you'll mimic other
planes, Like you know, animalsor something mimic, like they're
playing like you know animal orsomething.
Yeah, but then it says stay onyour ground, look at the shark

(01:27:40):
and then, if it comes at you,you're supposed to either reach
for the gill or try to gouge aneye out or hit its nose, but I
feel like if you're gonna planto do that, there's a high
percentage he's gonna get a bitein you yeah 100, but it's like
if you are able to get thosespots, he'll let you go quickly,

(01:28:03):
but you're still getting mauledby a fucking shark, I mean, and
not, not, not even just that,but you're also being drug
underwater.

Speaker 3 (01:28:10):
You know, oxygen you're drowning, essentially
while being bit, while having tofight a shark.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
So I'm I am legitimately frightened of the
ocean yeah, and I, I hate theocean like.
What's your thoughts on cruises?

Speaker 3 (01:28:24):
they.

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
I don't mind being on a cruise as long as I'm not by
the edge once I like, look overI'm thinking of all the like
possibilities and have you seenvideos of at night on a cruise,
when it's like not all thelights are off, but a lot of the
attractions and stuff, like ifyou look out into the ocean it's

(01:28:46):
literally pitch black.
Oh yeah, people, people fallover.
And it's like, if you fall over, how that you're not gonna be
found no, I mean there has beensituations where they do find
you.

Speaker 3 (01:28:59):
I don't think it was in the middle of the night.
No, middle of the night is awhole different story.

Speaker 2 (01:29:04):
Because you got to think that big-ass boat, it's
going to take several minutesfor it to turn around.

Speaker 3 (01:29:10):
I think they would drop a smaller boat to go get
you and then be brought back up,but still that's.

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
That's like if it's middle of the day, everybody's
around and someone Dude thewaves alone.

Speaker 3 (01:29:22):
Not to mention you're figuring out what's under you.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
You don't know what's under you.

Speaker 3 (01:29:26):
Hell yeah, but recently there was a video.
I don't think it was a cruise,I think it was just like a party
boat or something.
Kid was drunk nighttime hejumps in the water never found,
dude, stupid, and it's hard tofeel sorry in those situations

(01:29:47):
because it's like you recordedit happening.
Yeah, you were.
You knew what you're doing.
Even if you're drunk, you knewwhat you're doing to be able to
record it and do that like it'syour own.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
Stupid decisions led to it I think the same way I'm
with haunted houses I can't gointo one.
What I would be?
The same way with cruises Iwould refuse to go why can't you
go to haunted house?
dude, you don't know this story.
No, oh, my God, we're going toadd like another 15 minutes.
Dude, like I blame our motherfor this, she took us when I was

(01:30:25):
little probably I'm trying tothink how old I was, Maybe
Alonzo's age seven years old,seven, eight years old Went to a
haunted house.
Like I was already scared to goin there and I just remember
hanging on to mom like, eyesclosed, yelling get me out of,

(01:30:50):
get me out of here.
And I still have like littlepieces of flashback memory of
certain things walking throughthat haunted house and ever
since then I've never steppedfoot into another haunted house.

Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
So nothing ever really happened.
You just went to a hauntedhouse when you were too young.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
Yeah, I was traumatized.
I won't do it.
That's crazy.
I won't step into Jessica, mywife.
She's tried to get me.
I'm sure I think mom has triedto get me to go.
I've been invited, but I can'tdo it like I literally can't do

(01:31:28):
it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:28):
That's crazy, like you would have scary movies.

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
I could do scary movies all day so it's not, it's
the experience yeah walkingthrough like I'm 30 something
years old, I know haunted housesare fake.
Yeah, I know they can't touchyou, they can't physically harm
you, like I know all theserestrictions, but you're just
scared, can't do it.
That's crazy.

(01:31:52):
I'm scarred.

Speaker 3 (01:31:53):
I'm scarred from it I don't get how I don't know
either, especially with youbeing so young.
It's like I feel like you wouldoutgrow that.

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
Nope, it's something that's just been stuck, and it's
not like I have night terrors.
It's not like I suffer from.

Speaker 3 (01:32:12):
Anxiety.
It's just one bad experience.

Speaker 2 (01:32:16):
And I just don't want to experience it again.

Speaker 3 (01:32:19):
You know my my did that to me in a way.
Me and noah, they we're at.
I want to say six flags.
This was when I was youngerdidn't ride roller coasters,
they wanted to go on the logride and they're like oh, it's
just a simple ride.
They didn't tell us there was adrop.
So we went through the wholething and I'm like is there a

(01:32:41):
drop up here?
They didn't say nothing.
There was just a big drop,scared me, did not trust them
after that.
Whenever they said, no, it'snot a roller coaster, I wouldn't
believe them.

Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
It was messed up.

Speaker 3 (01:32:57):
Now I love roller coasters though.

Speaker 2 (01:32:59):
Yeah, and you know what, and it might be one of
those things where if I go to ahaunted house, I might end up
like kind of liking it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:06):
Yeah, like if you just tough it out.

Speaker 2 (01:33:08):
Like the hard part is just going in there right, but
I can't like I haven't even comeclose to, like, an entrance of
a haunted house.
I just physically have nottaken myself to a haunted house
because I just I can't do it.
And it's the same thing with acruise.
You cannot pay me to go on acruise really I I can't, I can't

(01:33:31):
do it.
I think with the cruise, Ithink I have more anxiety being
in open water because I have Ihave a fear of kind of like the
unknown yeah of the ocean and I,it just I.

Speaker 3 (01:33:46):
I don't think I could enjoy myself once you feel like
the boat swaying back and forthso like, are you fine on planes
?

Speaker 2 (01:33:55):
I'm fine on planes.
Oh, Like, even like, when wewent to Florida we did the
parasailing.

Speaker 3 (01:34:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:34:02):
And they take you on this motorboat.

Speaker 3 (01:34:04):
Yeah, and they put you there.

Speaker 2 (01:34:06):
Yeah, but I could still see the shore from the
ground.

Speaker 3 (01:34:09):
You're fine with that .

Speaker 2 (01:34:10):
I'm fine with that Really?
Like in a situation where I'mlike we capsize, like if I could
see the shore, I think I could,I could swim there without
having like anxiety yeah, but ifthat thing comes undone, you
have like the tarp over you andyou're harnessed in.
But just something about theopen sea, where you see nothing

(01:34:32):
but water and you're hundreds ofmiles away from the nearest
orline or like on the rigs.

Speaker 3 (01:34:39):
Have you seen the videos when they're on the rigs?
Have you played?

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
There's a game called Still Wake in the Deep.
No, it's a computer game andit's called Chinese Room, but
it's a horror game based on arig and you hit something in the
water and just shit goesstraight chaos on it.

(01:35:01):
It's like a first person, firstperson person, person person
game.
It's one of those games whereyou just kind of like run hide
and do minimal interaction.
It's not like a shooting gameor anything, but it's like gives
you anxiety and it's it's verywell made.
But speaking of like on a rigwhere you're 100 miles away it's

(01:35:23):
a real fear.

Speaker 3 (01:35:24):
It's a real, genuine fear, like so I'm not, I'm not,
I don't like my.
I don't have that many fears,but the ocean is one of them.
I like cruise ships.
I'll be okay with see that's.
You're a braver looking overthe edge.
I don't know about that.
I'm cool at heights, uh, likeat six flags they have like that

(01:35:44):
where you go all the way up inthe air and they drop you, I
could do.

Speaker 2 (01:35:48):
I could do heights.
Like you know, heights aren'tbad.
We're talking about skydiving.
Yeah, I go skydiving, but no,the like actual fears it ocean
is probably like I legitimatelyget like nervous when I go to
the beach, especially like theocean, like we were in florida,
like if I step on something thatdoesn't feel like sand or rocks

(01:36:09):
I get like a little uh evenlake michigan.
I don't like going too far outthere me either like like I'd be
damn if a big ass fish come andrubs against my leg, or
undercurrents like that justsweep you all the way out like
you're supposed to swim sideways.

Speaker 3 (01:36:23):
But, dude, if I or um , we're the ones that actually
pull you under, oh, dude, yeahlike those, those are crazy.
But yeah, the water, water likepowerful water, no, yeah so.
Tsunami is the worst naturaldisaster in my opinion.
I'd rather be through a.
Do you think so?
I think so, like realistically,if you don't evacuate and it's

(01:36:48):
a bad, like a pretty bad tsunami, yeah, you're.
So you're dead like earthquake,like we structure buildings to
handle that, especially ifthey're in areas where
earthquakes are known to be,yeah, tsunamis.
You can't prepare for thattornadoes.
As long as it's not like acategory five or four, you

(01:37:10):
should be okay yeah, and then Ialways think about it too.

Speaker 2 (01:37:16):
I'm like why do people live in those places?
In those places like yourinsurance has to be so high,
your premium has to be so high,and like people like in the
philippines and like othercountries yeah, that's a little.

Speaker 3 (01:37:32):
You know that's different, I understand that,
but it's like.
But if you live, live in likeTornado Valley or whatever
whatever they call it like Death.
Valley in like the Midwest.
Why?
Why would you risk?

Speaker 2 (01:37:46):
Why does anybody live on the coast Like it's?

Speaker 3 (01:37:50):
Like Florida.

Speaker 2 (01:37:51):
Those hurricanes that's what I'm saying.
Like, your premiums on yourinsurance have to be through the
roof, because you're gonna geteverything like covered yeah, if
that tsunami or hurricane comesand swipes everything in your
house like you gotta be covered,oh yeah, but I don't know

(01:38:12):
people live there and peoplecontinue to move out there and I
mean our biggest warriortornadoes um they're, they're
man, they're very mild they arelike a tornado, I think
technically touched down incrown point yeah I don't know,
yeah, yeah, anyway, it's likeone touchdown technically, but

(01:38:33):
all it was was very strong winds.

Speaker 3 (01:38:35):
I think one person actually did die because a tree
went through their house.
That's a freak accident.
But other than that, I thinkthere was a tornado that touched
down in Gary or East Chicago orsomething, but they're barely
Category 1 tornadoes.
But if you live in a placewhere, oh, every week, category

(01:38:58):
two, category three, I think Igive you that tsunamis are
probably the worst, because Ithink they're the most
terrifying to be part of.
I think floods you got winds,you got water yeah, I mean
debris.
I mean then you think of all theanimals that get pushed over
and you, you know you got sharkssome places, crocodiles, that's

(01:39:21):
true, just no tsunamis.
Can you imagine?
Just looking out to sea, yousee something coming 100-foot
wave coming at you.

Speaker 2 (01:39:30):
That's my anxiety right there.

Speaker 3 (01:39:33):
That's ridiculous Like earthquakes.
It's scary Like you see thingsmoving, yeah, that's ridiculous
Like earthquakes.
It's scary Like you see thingsmoving, yeah, but if you know
that skyscrapers in those areasare made to withstand it, it
puts you at ease a little bit.
It's scary, but it's nothinglike a tsunami have you seen
those.

Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
I don't know if they're prototypes or if they
actually have them made actuallyhave them made but for people
who live in areas where umearthquakes are frequent, they
have like you have your bed andit like a pod like a pod where
it closes and it like, it's likereinforced steel and you just

(01:40:11):
fall in this pod and you justlike that that's smart, but can
you?

Speaker 3 (01:40:15):
the average person's not gonna go for that, they're
not gonna be able smart, but canyou imagine the average person
is not going to go for that?
They're not going to be able to.
And can you imagine if it's aheavier set person, how big,
like you, would need it to be,can you?

Speaker 2 (01:40:23):
imagine if it, if you have to use it, and then it
crushes your floor and then well, now I gotta or like what if
nobody finds you in time right?
Like what feels so bad and allthe debris.
I can assume you can open itfrom the inside.

Speaker 3 (01:40:36):
Yeah but what if there's so much stuff on top of
you?

Speaker 2 (01:40:38):
You open it and it all falls in, you're right.
I mean they probably gotwindows or something.
I'm sure there's protocols forGPS or emergency lines in there
or something.

Speaker 3 (01:40:46):
I feel like it's got to be scary to even be in that
you might wake up and thenenclosed and you're hearing
rumbling out there.
Oh God you're hearing rumblingout there.
Oh god, the natural disastersare crazy, but even like with
tornadoes, it's one thing tolike oh my god, look at that
tornado it's another to be like.
It's dark, no idea where thetornado is yeah, no idea when

(01:41:09):
it's about to hit, because whenwe're thinking like a tornado
might happen, we're all standingoutside looking at the clouds,
seeing where it is.
When it's dark out, don't gooutside, just be safe rather
than sorry, but I love tornadoes.

Speaker 2 (01:41:25):
I love the weather.
Let's end the podcast on that.
Fuck haunted houses.

Speaker 3 (01:41:31):
Fuck the ocean.

Speaker 2 (01:41:33):
Fuck natural disasters we're taking back
shots.
Hey, we got to feed our kids.
But thanks for coming on.
Tell friends let them listen tothe podcast.
Try to get it out there as muchas you can and then appreciate

(01:41:54):
you coming on yeah, for sure.
All right man, thank you, thankyou, love you, kid.

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