My Strong Doubts and Beliefs w/ Erica

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 3 (00:53):
Campos Jr.
All right, hello everyone,sorry for the little bit of a
delay.
It's been I think it's beenover a week since I made an
episode and I had a couplecancellations, you know.
But we're back.
I got a special guest today.
Go ahead and introduce yourself.

(01:19):
Hello, my name's Erica.

Speaker 4 (01:21):
And you are my soon-to-be Future brother-in-law
.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
Well, I'm going to be your future sister-in-law.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
I meant to say you're going to be my future
brother-in-law.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
Yes, you're going to be my future sister-in-law and
I'm super excited for me, and mybrother and the family of
course Can't wait for you toofficially join the family.
But before we get into anyother particulars, I kind of
want to just give a quick update.

(01:51):
I'm assuming you use TikTok,correct?
I'm an addict, so you werepretty bummed out when I was
devastated.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
I mean, those were the worst 14 hours of my life.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
And which is funny because it only lasted like 14
hours.
And then I'll just give a quickshort about what the whole
situation, because I do knowlike why it was short lived and
all that.

Speaker 4 (02:19):
I mean not really.
All I know is that it hadsomething to do with China and
basically the Us didn't wantchina to have power over what we
see.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
but I feel like it was a start well, that could be
the law banning tiktok, whichwas scheduled to go into effect
this or this past sunday,because today we're recording
sunday, right, so it wassupposed to be today.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
Moving forward but as they played us too right, they,
yeah, they played everybody.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
But this law allows the president to grant a 90-day
extension before the ban isenforced, provided certain
criteria are met.
Under a law that president joebiden signed in april, tiktok
would be banned unless itschinese owner by dance or bike.
Dance, um sold the company to anine non-chinese buyer.

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Like you said, it was like awhole chinese thing.
Prior to the band'simplementation, both biden and
the incoming trumpadministration appeared to
reverse their earlier positionson tiktok.
During the campaign, who hadadvocated for a ban during his
first term as a president cameout in support of TikTok, saying

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he'd save it.
After the Supreme Courtgreenlit the law on Friday, the
Biden administration issued astatement saying that it would
not enforce the ban, leaving theresponsibility to Trump.
Even if TikTok is givenextension, as Trump has vowed to
do in an executive order Monday, the law still forces ByteDance

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to eventually sell it to anon-Chinese owner, which the
parent company has shown nointerest in doing.
Tiktok said in its lateststatement that it it will work
with president trump on along-term solution that keeps
tiktok in the united states.
So generally, the whole issueis that I guess the us

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government doesn't want thiscontrolled by the Chinese, which
back and forth.
Apparently the parent company,bytedance, is Chinese based, but
then there's a sub company or asublet company under ByteDance
that is an American company.
But that gets all muddied up.

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Trump also floated the idea of ajoint venture for TikTok with
the US owning 50%.
But even that idea of a jointventure for TikTok with the US
owning 50%, but even that ideafaces a potential hurdle.
The law includes a 20% cap forforeign adversary owners.
So it's not immediately clearwhether ByteDance could exceed
that ownership share without achange in the law.

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Congress of course could changethe law ownership share without
a change in the law, congressof course could change the law.
So basically, trump is going towork with tiktok and try to
maybe come up with a way wherethe chinese could still own or
partially own the company butmaybe sell it to a american
company.

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So I don't know.
I think it's supposed to be a90-day extension, but it just
doesn't seem that the parentcompany doesn't want to sell.
So, I don't know what's going tohappen with that.
I'm glad TikTok's back.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
I'm glad he got the extension.
Whatever he did, Thank you.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
But it was such a tease like every and it.
Did you notice that it was likenine o'clock on saturday?

Speaker 4 (05:50):
night that it went out like what the hell they said
midnight?

Speaker 3 (05:54):
I thought so too, but then I was thinking about it
like well, maybe because likecertain parts of the country,
it's the time zone is different,so maybe the ban goes into
effect whenever the first timezone hits midnight.

Speaker 4 (06:10):
So that's probably what that is, I was in the
middle of watching a TikTok whenit shut down on me, when it cut
out.
When it cut out.
Yeah, I was so mad and then Iwas like, okay, we're not going
to have this until at leastMonday, right, but thankfully it
came back, and then there wasrumors about Elon wanting to buy
it.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
Elon and then Mr Beast was supposed to, but I
don't think.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
Mr Beast could buy it by himself.
I think he wanted to get othersto go in on it.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
And that could be the whole thing, where maybe it
could be split into shares, likeMr Beast and certain american
entities.
But, like I said, according tothe law a foreign adversary
can't own like 50 I guess thecap is 20, but if if they
decided to change the law, theycould change it to maybe fit the

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situation.
Either way, I don't know whatthey're gonna do tiktok is back,
that's all we care.
I got something to scroll onwhen I'm taking a shit, so
that's all I'm concerned about.
But all right, just move awayfrom TikTok.
Everyone's glad TikTok is back.
I could post on TikTok again.
I'm ecstatic, but going back.

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Let's use this platform to kindof jump in and just really get
to know each other.
Obviously we've known eachother for years.
We go to family functions, welaugh, we kid around, but just
kind of tell me just a littlebit about yourself.
You don't have to go into yourfamily background or anything,

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but just let me know, like whereyou grew up, where you're from,
how you met my brother, justlike little stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (07:47):
So I grew up in Hessville it's a part of Hammond
.
I only stayed there till I wasabout 11 years old.
Then we moved to Portage and Iactually met your brother
through a mutual friend, and therest is history.
I am currently a dentalhygienist and I work from home

(08:09):
for a hospital corporation.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
So you have two jobs, yep.
So how long you been doing thedental hygienist thing?

Speaker 4 (08:18):
About six years I did full time like about five years
.
It's a career where you getburnt out on, so I had to cut
back to part-time is it likecrazy hours or just the stress
of it?
Um, it's hard on your body sowhen you're sitting and you're
like bent over, hunched overhunched over all day and it's
not even that part two.

(08:39):
it's just like therepetitiveness, which I don't,
but it's a lot of like oh, likepeople pleasing, like no one
likes going to the dentist, soeveryone's kind of negative and
just with time you just kind ofget burnt out.
Like a lot of my classmatesaren't even practicing anymore.
It's kind of sad.
Like you don't, you're notreally going to see.
I feel like you're not going tosee older hygienists from our

(09:00):
generation because the olderones who stuck with it, they
kind of retired after covid andnow my generation is like going
through it but they're likecutting off after like six, ten
years you know what that's weirdthat you say that, because now
that I think back at it, evenjust growing up and going to the

(09:21):
dentist, I don't ever reallyrecall seeing like an older one,
yeah, an older one.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
They've always been young, you know, perky women and
and so you think it's becauseof the burnout.
There's not so many older, andwhen I mean older, I'm talking
like 40, 50 year olds stilldoing this.
I'm sure they're out there oh,yeah, they out there.
What do you think the reason isfor not having an older like

(09:49):
dental hygienist?

Speaker 4 (09:51):
Um, I think it is burnout.
A lot of them say that it's agood mom job, so they only work
like twice a week.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
Oh yeah.
And you could be called in forappointments.
Right Um you can do temp workwhich is very common now because
everyone's short staff.

Speaker 4 (10:06):
Yeah, so I can go and temp at an office that I've
never been at and work for themfor that day.
They might ask me to come back,like in two weeks.
I could, you know, say yes orno, depending on how I like the
office oh, interesting.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
Yeah, yeah, that's super weird.
So how many hours were youworking when you were full time?

Speaker 4 (10:25):
I worked Monday through Thursday, 730 to five,
so what is that like?

Speaker 3 (10:32):
I mean I mean full time, 40 hours, 40, 50 hours,
and then I would pick up someSaturdays.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
But now I do my work from home job Monday through
Friday and then I only dohygiene five hours on a Saturday
, like three times a month.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
So tell me a little bit more about what you're doing
from home.
What does that job consist of?

Speaker 4 (10:52):
So it's in the financial department.
So basically I create estimatesfor people who are going to
have surgeries.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
And this is dental or this is medical?
No, this is completelydifferent, okay.

Speaker 4 (11:02):
Yeah, so when I was trying to get out of dental
hygiene it's just networking Imet like a friend of a friend
and she kind of hooked me upwith this job.
So I'm super thankful for her.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
So was this something where you were passionate about
dental hygienists and nowyou're kind of over it?

Speaker 4 (11:23):
The passion's there, but it's only for part-time.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
The passion's not there for full time it's just, I
don't know it's, it's, it's alot is dentistry a passion for
you, like overall, like did youever think about going back to
school and trying to become?

Speaker 4 (11:41):
a dentist?
No, I would never so no, butthe hygiene part is a passionate
, or is a passion of mine, butum yeah, just just not full-time
how long, how long of schoolingdid you have to go for that?
Four years, okay, so the firsttwo years are prereqs, and then
you have to apply for theprogram and then, once you get
in the program, it's another twoyears.

(12:01):
Okay, all right.
Similar to nursing so did?

Speaker 3 (12:04):
did you have to get any type of um, what's the word?
Certificate or something to do,the secondary job, or it was
just?

Speaker 4 (12:12):
no, it's a bachelor's degrees.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
Okay, bachelor's degree so I'm assuming they just
trained you to what to do andthen yeah, like we had clinic,
but that was kind of rough.

Speaker 4 (12:24):
We had to beg people to come be our patients because
our appointments were three anda half hours long and that's not
a guarantee that I would finishyou on one appointment, like
you would have to come backanother time that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
All right, that's.
That's actually pretty cool.
I didn't know that you weredoing all that stuff, so you're
pretty happy with the thisfinancial.
Now are you trying to doanything with that?
Is there any type of likeladder you could go in with that
, or is it just kind of likethis, is it?
And?

Speaker 4 (12:56):
no, I mean, I could grow from this.
And then what's also cool isthat they would pay for me to go
back to school.
Oh, that's so.
I'm thinking about that forthis year.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
Awesome, awesome.
Are you a religious person atall?

Speaker 4 (13:11):
I would say so.
I mean not extreme, but yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
But I mean, I'm assuming I grew up.

Speaker 4 (13:15):
Catholic, I went to Catholic school.
I did too For the first fiveyears.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
You know, that's funny because I think I can't
remember the exact number ofyears, but I did too.
I think anywhere between maybefor the first three to five, I
went to Catholic too.
It's so funny that we kind ofgrow up in that type of
atmosphere, like Catholic andlike now.

(13:42):
I didn't take anything awayfrom any any of that you didn't?
No, like I don't know.
If you know, I'm not reallyreligious at all.
I don't really have a belief inlike a higher being.
I'm assuming you believe in godI do correct.
okay, and then, like most people, you believe in God but you're

(14:05):
just not a hardcore in thereligion, like go to church
every Sunday and read the Bible,type of stuff, or I could be
wrong.

Speaker 4 (14:13):
Are you?

Speaker 3 (14:13):
that type of person.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
No, I don't go every Sunday.
I do go occasionally.
I want to start going more andI actually recently thought
about maybe even reading theBible more often recently
thought about, maybe evenreading the bible more often.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
So just out of curiosity or did something
happen in your life?

Speaker 4 (14:30):
that made you want to go.
I feel like, as I, as I gotolder, I feel like there's more
of a connection, whereas when Iwas younger like I didn't really
understand it even though Iwent to catholic school.
But actually when we getmarried, we're actually planning
on getting married in thecatholic church no shit, okay,
and I don't, and I don't knowabout my brother.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
Really I don't I.
He may be religious, he may beon the same scale as me.
I'm I don't know, I, I, wedon't talk about religion much
at these family functions.
But and he's he's cool withthat, I'm assuming he's he has
no he didn't have any.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
I didn't pressure him at all.
I was like it's your decision.
You know like I I was okay withmarrying in the court too yeah,
I was too like.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
I wanted like a smooth, easy.
Yeah, I didn't really want tohave a wedding Like I wanted
like a smooth, easy.
Yeah, I didn't really want tohave a wedding, honestly.

Speaker 4 (15:25):
I don't want one.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
I wanted to save the money, yeah, and like we went
because were you there?

Speaker 4 (15:32):
Yeah, yeah, you were there, I was at your wedding.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
Yeah, like it was super low key.
I think I spent a total of likethree thousand dollars for like
the whole thing.

Speaker 4 (15:46):
And even then that was like too much for me, right,
but I get it, this is pre-covidtoo.
Huh, pre-covid too.
That was everything went upyeah, you're right.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
Um, the reason why I asked if you're religious is
because I want to jump into this.
I saw this on tiktok last weekand it really had me thinking.
It gave me like a bunch ofafterlife theories.
So, given that you kind of youwere raised up on Catholic, you
believe in God?
I'm not going to assume, butwhat are your thoughts on the

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afterlife?
What do you think happens whenour ticket is punched and we're
done?

Speaker 4 (16:22):
I think there's heaven and hell and we're done I
think there's heaven and hell,and.
But when I overthink it I'mlike, but what if there's
reincarnation?
What if?

Speaker 3 (16:34):
there's, so you have the belief of having to help yes
kind of like what you just beentaught right, but you do have I
mean, but there's always a whatifs, of course.
Yeah and do you know?
There's like theories aboutafterlife.
So you got your one heaven, youknow you die your soul, I'm
assuming let's, let's just sayyour soul, goes up into heaven

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and you walk around heaven andso, but with the, the heaven
part of it, do you think peopleare living up there and watching
the, the earth, from below?
or like judging us give me youridea of your image of heaven in

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my mind.

Speaker 4 (17:21):
I feel like they kind of are like you have, like your
angels.
You know, people are like oh,my angel, my grandma's watching
me, um, but then again,sometimes I don't, sometimes I
feel like they just like passedaway and they're just peaceful,
like like relaxing, likesleeping.
What do you think?

Speaker 3 (17:39):
see, that's the thing too.
So I think there is somethingafter death, and I'll get to it.
You know what?
Forget it, let's, let's skipdown.
I think there's more of areincarnation.
I think that when you die,something inside your body,

(18:02):
let's just call it a soul.
Just for simple reason let'scall it a soul.
I believe when you die, yoursoul gets either recycled into
another being, another person,animal, whatever it is, and

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because I just can't wrap, wrapmy head around that your soul
goes to heaven and you live inthere for eternity just looking
down at your family or whatever.
So it it's just a little hardfor me to think that.
And, like I said, heaven wasone theory, reincarnation is

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another one, and I think thereason why I tend to lean
reincarnation is because I thinkthere's more evidence of
reincarnation compared tosomeone taking a picture of
heaven or whatever you know like, because you ever hear the

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stories of how a young child hasmemories of I don't know like a
famous person or some otherperson, or has memories of war
or something like that.
Like I know those stories areout there so and I never looked
into them so I don't know ifit's like a fluke, but I know

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there are numerous stories ofkids recalling memory that they
shouldn't have at all.
So that kind of makes me thinkthat we do get reincarnated some
way or somehow.
Now, is a person, a person,person?
I would like to think so, butwho's to say that when I die, I

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get reincarnated into acockroach?

Speaker 1 (19:54):
you know I'm saying like like I don't know it could
be.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
It could be an animal , it could be an insect, it
could be a lion, I don't know it.
Just I tend to lean moretowards that than the whole
heaven and hell thing, just forthe mere fact that there's been
a lot of people that have died.
Yeah, like you would havebillions and trillions of people

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up there.
I don't know, I just in my headI think of it as like a subway
station and people are justwalking around and I don't know.
I just in my head I think of itas like a subway station and
people are just walking aroundand I don't know.
It's a little hard for me to uhpicture that.
But there is another theorycalled waking up.
It suggests that the physicalworld is a kind of an illusion

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or a dreamlike state, and deathis the moment when we awaken to
a more profound reality.

Speaker 4 (20:46):
So almost like that would trip me out.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
Almost like the matrix, where we're like asleep
in these pods and when, when wedie, we wake up to this actual
reality which we don't know.
I mean, anything is possible,but that is another one.
The other one would be justnothing just black, just black,

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like that's not even black, youjust shut out boom yeah, which I
think that's probably the leastpopular one, because I think
people want some kind ofexplanation.
People are scared of death.
I think more so of it actuallyhappening, but of just like, oh

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my god, what?

Speaker 4 (21:31):
if there's nothing, yeah what?

Speaker 3 (21:33):
if there's nothing afterwards yeah like I don't
want to endure that.
But that is one of the othertheories.
Another one which I thought itwas pretty interesting is called
the spectator theory, which Ikind of.
I think it kind of doubles backto heaven.
But this one, it says it's a, ametaphorical idea suggesting
that after death ourconsciousness continues to exist

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in a passive, observationalstate, akin to a spectator
watching a play unfold.
So maybe not necessarily heaven, but or what about like a ghost
, like you're a spectator, justkind of floating around in this
world, and that's where maybe weget ghost so do you believe in

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ghosts?
and that's another.
I would like to believe inghosts, almost like the same
thing of aliens I would like tobelieve.
And it's almost like the samething of aliens I would like to
believe, and it's kind of liketo me, it's kind of being
ignorant not to think thatthere's aliens out there.
Kind of the same way withghosts.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
So you never had an experience.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
Never had an experience.
Have you had one?

Speaker 4 (22:40):
No, thank God one.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
No, thank god, but it's, it's.
I just I'm not gonna beclose-minded to the the fact
that there could be something umin that realm and, but I think,
the ghost part of it, it makesa little bit more sense than
like a heaven.
You know know like if your soulor consciousness leaves your
body and let's just say there isno heaven and that you die and

(23:13):
that comes out of you, it's gotto go somewhere, right?
That's if we're assumingsomething leaves our body when
we die, it has to come out, it'sgot to go somewhere.
What if it's stuck where youdie or what, and then it could
go back to?
Well, what if there's like alimbo is a limbo, we're like

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kind of like that place betweenheaven and hell, like.
So what if you're there andyou're trying to get out it?
I will say that since I'venever had an experience with
ghosts, I wouldn't put it pasttrying to have an experience
like, but then again, I don'tthink you, you could pull me

(23:57):
into a haunted house, like areal haunted house, and I
wouldn't voluntarily stay anight like I heard about your
story with the haunted house,with your mom, my mother ruined
me.
I can't, I can't even dotraumatized I can't even do
pretend haunted houses, letalone take me to a quote-unquote

(24:17):
actual haunted house and let mesleep there for the day.
No, I, I can't do it, so maybe Iwon't ever have a ghost
encounter voluntarily yeahbecause you would have to pay me
a lot of money to sit there andsee some shit happen.
But that is one of the otherones.
And there's other than hell,which we've already talked about

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, which let's just talk aboutthat too.
Like with the whole heaven andhell, there's been a lot of
people who've died and, honestly, the way that humanity is, I
feel like there'll be a lot morepeople in hell than in heaven.

Speaker 4 (24:57):
No, I feel like there's more good people than
bad.
You think so, mm-hmm?

Speaker 3 (25:02):
But if we follow the rule of the Bible, and with just
the sins alone, if you don'trepent, then it's like
technically you're supposed togo to hell, right?

Speaker 4 (25:15):
I mean well for catholics.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
There is confession too there is and I'm not saying
like it, like it's yourguarantee to go to heaven.

Speaker 4 (25:24):
But, um, I feel like if it's like minor quote-unquote
sins from the bible, you go toconfession and it just kind of
like cleanses you.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
Well, what are your thoughts on murderers who are
going to get the lethalinjection and they repent?
You know before that.
Are they according to God, ifthey repent their sins they're
allowed into heaven.
I mean, do you think that'sfair for people who live by the

(25:54):
bible their whole life and nevercommit a crime?

Speaker 4 (25:57):
I mean me personally.
No, but leave it up to god Iguess that's that's.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
You know what's the?
I can't think of the word.
Ah, screw it I can't think ofthe word but and okay, so that's
about I mean, I'm not the oneto make that decision no and I
don't have enough knowledge ofthe bible or yeah, and me
neither, like I just I just gooff what I what I hear or what I

(26:23):
know.
But the last one is kind of kindof weird and I'll see if you
could understand it, because ittook me a few times to
understand.
So there's one called quantumimmortality.
It's a theoretical concept thatsuggests that consciousness can
continue to exist in a paralleluniverse after death, in the

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current universe of quantummechanics, which states that
every possible outcome of aquantum measurement occurs in a
separate parallel universe.
So that's to me that's sayingthat if you die, you just jump

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into the parallel universe ofyourself and kind of keep going
from there what do?
you think about that.
Well, first, do you believe inin like, in a parallel universe?
Do you think there's aninfinite amount of ericas in the
world or in the world or in theuniverse?
No so that right there, youdon't think that's a valid no

(27:30):
theory.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
No, I don't think I believe in that one no that one
doesn't seem logical to me butsomeone up in the sky overseeing
.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
Either you get it or you don't you either have that
belief or you don't no, I get itno, that it's like on a
spiritual level now I would sayI do see a lot of these concepts
and theories.
I don't want to say that Ibelieve in this stuff, but I am
not going to say that no, 100percent it's not true.

(28:04):
You know like I think I'm openminded enough to where I would
at least hear evidence out andtry to make a decision from
there.
But 99% of the stuff that wehear is like can't really be
proven by science.

(28:24):
So that's what, that's whyyou're always yeah that's why
you're always going to haveconspiracy theories, or?
Just theories alone alone, justlike parallel universes, unless
you experience yourself and youjump into a parallel universe
yeah it's hard for anyone toprove it but I'm never gonna say

(28:44):
I don't believe something justwithout having any type of you
know evidence behind it.

Speaker 4 (28:51):
What's interesting is those stories about people who
got into like a car accident orwhatever kind of accident and
they say that they died, theysaw this light and sometimes
even have like this whole storyabout it, right, and then they,
you know, get shocked back intolife and that.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
But then it's also we don't know a hundred percent
everything about our brains yeahour brain is a very mysterious
thing.
Who knows what your brain istrying to do when a traumatic
event like that happens, I agreebut I will say it is weird that
people who have had thoseincidents maybe kind of share a

(29:31):
similar story throughout history, which I understand, but at the
same time, if people have heardit over over again or have
grown up to to be told that, hey, there's a light at the end of
the tunnel, or go to jesus.
I mean, don't you think yourbrain would kind of be the first

(29:51):
thing it goes to to put animage of a of jesus holding his
arms out or having a light?
You know it, it's just one ofthose things where our mind I
mean just on an everyday basis,our mind plays tricks on us all
the time and we don't even knowit, so it's.

(30:11):
it's weird in that aspect, butuntil we could really map 100%
of our brain, who's to say thatthese traumatic episodes or
stories are true or not?
Because it could be our brainfabricating a story together,
together.
So, but then again, like I said,I will never rule out anything

(30:34):
and I I tend to think that Ihave a very open mind to things.
But given that, so we'll moveoff religion what is your strong
, strongest belief that you have, like, what is something that
you feel strongly about,something that you know that no

(30:57):
one can convince you otherwise?
And, if you want, I could gofirst and give you time to think
.
So, one of my things is and Idid a tick talk about this too,
where I asked Jessica, a tiktokabout this too, where I asked

(31:21):
jessica I am getting to thepoint where I want I don't want
to is it a harsher death,penalties or like the punishment
fits the crime?
Type of ideology, almost to thepoint where, like, I'm not
asking for like cruel or unusual, like torture or punishment,
but simply if you murdersomebody and and I'm not saying

(31:41):
let's take the legal system outof it, but if you murder
somebody you go to trial andyou're found guilty, I believe
death should be the punishment.
Or someone who rapes a woman orrapes anybody, man, woman,
child, whatever If you're foundguilty, castration, or even as

(32:09):
simple as if you steal something, a finger chopped off, get an
ear chopped off, or even likebranding you know what branding?
Is if you're.
If you're like a adultery ortreason or something like that,
you get a something branded ontop of your forehead so that way

(32:30):
everybody knows that youcheated or you lied, or you did
this, this certain crime, and Idon't know, because I think our
legal system and I think mostpeople would agree it's not 100
full proof, but with their jailsbeing so overpopulated, the

(32:53):
taxpayers having to pay deathrow inmates to keep alive, I
think that people will thinktwice to commit a certain crime
if the punishment is severe sosay and I'm not saying that this

(33:16):
would completely solve allcrime, but I think it would
lower the crime rate if you, ifthe rule was or if law was, if
you rape a woman, then you willbe.
And I'm not even talking aboutchemically castrate, I'm saying

(33:36):
just cut the whole damn damnthing off you know.
So to me, I really think strongabout that and you know people
will probably fight well, humanrights, all that.
And, like I said, I'm notsaying let's torture people, you

(33:57):
know, but I think we shouldlive in a society where
punishment fits the crime andlike I think they should be
severe, like I I'm not evenopposed to uh having like public
executions, like even that,that might be a little might be
a little out there, yeah, butI'm not opposed to that if

(34:19):
somebody in town was, I don'tknow, and let's just keep it
simple that's my neighbor, likeI know right
let's just say someone was, andnot even if some so weird,
because I, with the legal, likethere's so many red tape on
stuff.
Like even if somebody witnessedsomebody killing somebody, you

(34:39):
can't go off the word of oneperson like I get that you have
to have evidence and you have to.
You know blah, blah, blah.
But you know, if someone iscaught murdering somebody and
it's a hundred percent they didit string them up, execute them
in public and, like I said, thatmight be a little bit over the

(35:01):
top, but that's.
That's a belief I've beenthinking about for a couple
years now and I just kind ofwant to know do you have any
type of belief, strong, strongbelief that you're just set on?

Speaker 4 (35:15):
Well, back to what you were saying.
So instead of the death penalty, like in certain cases, like
pedophiles and rapists, I feellike they suffer when they're in
jail.
Like don't the other prisonerslike kind of beat them up and
make their life hell?
I think so, I feel like I wouldlike to see that, instead of
like making easy, okay, bye,you're dead at the same time.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
That's not to say that every one of them, though,
gets that treatment.
It also depends on what kind ofprison you go to, you could be
at a I don't know level fivemaximum prism, and then yeah,
you're with the worst of theworst.
And if someone finds out thatyou raped a little four-year and
then yeah, you're with theworst of the worst.
And if someone finds out thatyou raped a little four-year-old
, then yeah, you're probablygonna die in there.

(35:59):
But if you go to a, a prisonwho's, uh, I don't know and I'm
just making up these levels, butlike a level two where you're
in prison when with peoplewho've like fooled the stock
market or inside trading stufflike that, then it's like, well,
you don't really have any yeahhardened criminals there.

(36:21):
That's gonna take you out andbut at the same time too,
there's plenty of people who'vebeen accused of rape and child
molestation yeah, and they getoff free on a technicality or
lack of evidence and like I'veseen.
I've seen a video.

(36:43):
There's an old video on.
I wish I would have got uminformation on this, but there's
a black and white video where awoman walks into a courtroom
black and white video where awoman walks into a courtroom and
she's in a trench coat and shepulls out a pistol and just
kills the person who raped andmurdered her four-year-old
daughter.

(37:03):
And there's another video wherea person who is a criminal,
who's getting, uh, escorted outof court, probably back to the
jail, but the there's a guy.
You see the.
You see the video.
There's a guy pretending to beat a payphone and as soon as the
criminal walks, pot walks by.
You see the guy pulling a gunand shoot him straight in the

(37:25):
head.

Speaker 4 (37:25):
They took care of it, and then they took care of
themselves, which I mean.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
that, but that's that which I mean, but that's what
happens, because I mean you getover consumed with anger, of
course, but not all the times.
I mean people get sentenced forthat, and a lot of times
they're out in five years maybe,or less than 10 years, because

(37:51):
they're let out early because ofgood behavior or the prisons
are overpopulated so they haveto let out certain people, so
that's why I don't think people.
And there's also repeatoffenders like yeah, you have to
register as a sex offender.
But how many times have youheard somebody was in jail for

(38:11):
five years for trying to meet upwith a little kid and they're
back there and they're back atit again being caught trying to
lure or hook up with anotheryeah 10 year old like yeah
prison.
I don't think prison is enoughto deter people from doing the
same thing.
Now, if someone heard that,damn, if I get caught, my junk

(38:36):
is getting cut Now, one or twothings would happen.
One, I would hope it woulddeter them from doing it.
But if it doesn't, and they getcaught trying to meet up with a
kid, or they get caught orthey're found guilty of raping a
six-year-old and they get theirjunk cut off, they're not gonna

(38:58):
be able to do it next time yeahso that's why I feel and maybe
not every single crime willwould have a severe punishment
to it, but I think, like the big, those big ones, like rape,
murder, you know, childmolestation even, maybe even

(39:20):
like some form of manslaughter,like if you're taking someone's
life or if you're ruiningsomeone's life, then and all you
get is just 15 years in prisonslap on the wrist you're being
fed, you're being kept alivebecause you're given.
You're given free health care,you are given a cell.

(39:40):
I mean you got a roof over yourhead, you're not homeless and
you're getting outside timeyou're probably getting some
kind of job.
You know, I don't know howprison works, but I know some
prisons have it to where youcould work for a little bit of
money so you could take care ofyourself yeah, but like and they

(40:00):
get their teeth clean for awhole semester, during school, I
went to indiana state prisonand clean their teeth, the
prisoners and Iwasn't allowed to know what they
did, of course, but like thewell-behaved ones got their
teeth cleaned and that it justblows my mind that someone
convicted for such a heinouscrime could just live in prison

(40:23):
for the rest of their life andbut that's it.
Yeah, their freedom is takenaway.
Yeah, they can't do all thethings they want to do outside,
but like you, just like, youmurdered up a 21 year old kid
and now his life is gone, hisfamily life is ruined and
they're never going to be ableto get past that.

(40:44):
But now you're being taken careof off my dime, off the
taxpayers money, you are beingtaken care of and all you have
to do is just sit in a cell.
Now to your point.
Do some murderers and rapists,do they, get taken care of in
prison?
Absolutely, and they should.
But there's a lot of people outthere and it doesn't always

(41:10):
happen that way, but I guess so,and it's okay if you don't.
I just wanted to share thisbelief out there because it's
always on my mind.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
You know what?
I really don't have a strongbelief like that, or at least
one that I can think of rightnow, but I can really get behind
of what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
And that's fine.
Like I said, I just wanted toput that out there.
It's kind of something thatjust sounds like you're
passionate about it.
Yeah, and it's kind of beenrattling in my mind for a little
while, so I wanted to justbring it out there.
But you know what, moving fromthat I, there's another.
You know what?
Fuck it, it's 2025.

(41:49):
I said this before and I'll sayit again.
I'm just going to say it 25.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
I said this before and I'll say it again.
I'm just gonna say it do youthink depression is a real thing
?

Speaker 3 (42:01):
you're canceled.
I'm just kidding, I know right,but I and okay, and I'm not
saying that I am shutting itdown 100 and I guess, if I've
never experienced it, I can'tsay for sure because I I can't
relate, but I think of itsometimes as depression.
I think in my head.

(42:22):
Is it a real thing and is it alike a chemical imbalance?
thing, or because, in my head isif you are so down in the dumps
, why don't you do somethingthat makes you happy?
There's so many things that youcould do.

(42:43):
I mean, you can't tell me thatyou got to be 25 years old and
you say you're depressed, butyou can't tell me you made it 25
years and you don't have one ortwo things that make you happy.
And if you do, why don't you dothose things to make you happy?
So and I don't, I don'tunderstand.

(43:06):
Maybe I don't, maybe that's it,maybe I'm ignorant to it and I
don't.
I didn't do too much researchwhen I had this thought, but
even going back some years ago,like I've always thought
depression's not real, like ifyou're upset, then do something

(43:27):
to not make you upset.

Speaker 4 (43:29):
I don't know.
Yeah, I see what you're saying.
I definitely think depressionis real.
I think it's easier said thandone, like, oh, just do
something that makes you happy.
I think it is like a chemicalimbalance.
But in this day I feel likepeople are using that word a
little bit too loosely, likepeople might have like an acute
case of depression, like duringwinter.

(43:49):
But I definitely thinkdepression is real.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
Okay, so I like how you said yes back.
Maybe in this day people aremaybe using it more so yeah but
at the same time too, let's justsay even 10 years ago, we
probably know more about mentalillness now than we did 10 years

(44:13):
ago.
And to say that let's just sayif somebody says to depress, is
there a way, is there a test towhat doctors say like is it a
doctor or is it a therapistthat's telling you you're
depressed or confirming thatyou're depressed?

Speaker 4 (44:34):
I think it could be both, but I think mainly like a
psychologist.
But I think you could still goto the doctor and just tell them
like how you've been feelingyeah and I mean, I think they
have like checkups like every sooften to see how you're doing.
But I think they could bothdiagnose, see.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
But then it's like well, nowadays people work two
jobs, people got five kids,people are poor, people work
below the poverty line.
Shit happens.
You get into car accidents,your parents die, you get broken
up with.

Speaker 4 (45:12):
People go through shit every day I think we're
just more sensitive now, likeour generation.
And then everyone's cooped upon their phones, on their ipads,
tiktok, and when you don't seeanyone, you don't communicate,
you don't get vitamin d you'remore susceptible to get
depressed I don't know.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
Know, like I said and I may get canceled, I may get
hate for this I really don'tthink depression is a thing, and
I'm sure people who arediagnosed with depression will
argue otherwise.
And, like you said, well, youknow, it's not so easy to do
this, do this to but it.

(45:59):
But then it's like, well, ifit's not easy to make yourself
happy, so you're just, you'rejust better off staying in a
depressed state, like, are younot gonna work to get to a
better place?
I don't know, I don't know ifit's to me, if it's to me, if
it's like a laziness, it's kindof goes back to like obese
people and fuck it, I'll.
I'll say this I think people whoare obese are lazy, you know, I

(46:24):
mean.
But then you'll get argumentsabout well, it's a glycos thing,
or it's a thyroid thing.
Well, a lot of it is dieting,you know, and people who are,
you know, bigger statue andthey'll say, well, it's so hard
for me to lose weight, well, ifyou don't put the work in, if

(46:46):
you're not striving, striving toget to a point where you go to
the gym, every day you're eatingbetter and you're making a goal
for yourself.
I mean, yeah, it's hard work soif you just say well it's, it's
not as easy as you make it soundand it's a lot of hard work.
Well, well, yeah, nothing thatis satisfying in life usually is

(47:13):
easy to obtain.
People don't becomemillionaires and billionaires
because it's easy, or everybodywould do it.
Or people don't have rock hardabs and are cut and look like
supermodels because it's easy,because, if so, everybody would
do it.
And that's how I feel aboutdepression.

(47:34):
If you say you have depression,well, why are you not working
to do stuff that makes you happy?
And to me it's like well, mything is, if I'm not feeling
okay mentally, I go to the gym,that's my thing.

(47:55):
Or I play video games for acouple hours.
I make time for that.
I don't know it just.

Speaker 4 (48:02):
Yeah, and in some people I think that's the case,
but other people there reallyare people that need medication.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
But what does that medication do?
Like, what's the medication for?
Is it to give the people energyto do something?
Like what is?
And I, and I'm asking you likeyou're a professional but maybe
I don't know but is it the lack?
Like there's not a medicinethat gives you?

Speaker 1 (48:32):
There's not a medicine that gives you
motivation, you know what I'msaying.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
That has to come from within.
So these medications thatpeople who are depressed are
getting, Lexapro.
Do you know what it's for?
What is it supposed to do for?

Speaker 4 (48:46):
them.
I don't know exactly what itdoes, but I think it just helps
them function more Without justbeing down and depressed.
But I mean, there might be somepeople on it who don't need it
just because they're just sayinglike, oh, I'm depressed but
they're not doing the things tomake them feel better.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
Yeah, like you said, I can see that.
It's just always.
It was always a weird thing tome because and you never knew
anyone who actually haddepression.

Speaker 4 (49:15):
I was just gonna say I've never met anyone who, and
you know, you've never hadmedication for depression or
I've never been around anybodywho has been depressed.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
I mean, I've been around people who have gone
through some shit and or werejust like not having a good year
like temporarily, yeah but II've seen them bounce back
that's what I'm saying likewe're all human, we're all have,
we all have families, we allhave shit we deal with on a on a
daily basis.

(49:46):
Majority of us have jobs that weeither hate or just don't enjoy
doing, and we've all madechoices in our past that we wish
that we could have donedifferently, differently to put
ourselves into a better position.
And and I don't and it's kindof sounding like I'm saying

(50:06):
people who say they're depressedare weak-minded, and maybe
that's what I'm saying a littlebit, but it's, I know it's a per
person situation and, like Isaid, I don't know anybody who's
been depressed.
I don't know anybody who'staking medication, so I haven't
talked to people about this.

(50:28):
Now I've seen TikTok videos orI've seen YouTube videos of
people talking about depression.
It gets to me a little bit thatI can't, I guess, wrap my head
around depression being a realthing, because it almost to me
sounds like the person is eitherjust weak minded or just

(50:51):
doesn't have the motivation toget out of a funk, because I
mean, I know I fall into thatlike a funk where things have
not gone my way and I just kindof like, want to give up and be
like fuck this.
But then it's like life goes on.
It's like I can't stay in thisposition.
I gotta do something to help myyou know my position or get

(51:14):
back on my feet, and so that'swhy I think it's a little.
But you do believe thatdepression is some kind of
clinical chemical reaction realthing absolutely.

Speaker 4 (51:28):
but I feel like you know, like I said earlier,
everyone's depressed nowadays,but I mean mean there are real
cases.
I believe so, I believe so.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
But then there's also quote unquote, real cases of
ghost encounters.
Do we believe?

Speaker 4 (51:42):
that Back to that.
That's what I was going to say.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
Do we believe that?
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (51:46):
I mean I was depressed for 14 hours when
TikTok was down.
I know right.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
I'm back now.
You didn't take any medicationfor it.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
It wasn't that long if it was two days, I would have
went to the doctor now we'remaking fun of people with
depression but going off thatthen I got.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
I looked up five signs of bad mental health.
Let's go through these five andsee if one of us have all these
, one of these any of these.

Speaker 4 (52:15):
I thought you were going to say Zodiac sign.
No, charles, that's not likeyou.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
No no, no thank you All right.
So the first one, one of thesigns of bad mental health you
have problems sleeping.
You sleep too much or notenough, and you're always tired.

Speaker 4 (52:30):
Okay, always tired sometimes, but I don't have
problems sleeping, because howold are you?
29?

Speaker 3 (52:40):
29 and I'm 35 and honestly, I think I've been
thinking more that as I getolder, I think I'm gonna get
more tired, because I rememberback in the day when I was 18,
19, like even in college, likein my early 20s.
I can stay up to 6 am get twohours of sleep and still be

(53:01):
functional all day yeah and doit again right now I work, you
know seven to four and like I'mready to go to sleep in a couple
hours.

Speaker 4 (53:11):
So I just think that's just part of getting old
yeah, if I'm not in bed by nine,I already know I'm going to be
tired the next day.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
Right, so like that, I think that's just part of
being an old.
Yeah.
Depending on what yoursituation is.
So I think that's mute.
I don't think one of us hasthat issue.
Second one you could get upsetabout nothing because you're at
your limit and after you regretit.
But that kind of soundssituational too, right.

(53:41):
But I think this is saying thatanything you, anything that
happens or I guess, nothing thathappens you get upset about it
at all.
Have you ever had that where?

Speaker 4 (53:53):
I mean, if I'm having a horrible day, yeah.
But like on a regular basis now.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
So, and I think that's more situational.

Speaker 4 (54:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
And I think, yeah, you probably regret it
afterwards and I'm trying tothink in the mind of whoever
wrote this, because this is kindof like a universal five signs,
because I've seen like ahandful of different sources and
the five signs kind of likejust recycle itself, but I think
they're more so talking aboutif you're just walking down the

(54:23):
street and you see, I don't know, a squirrel, go up into the
tree and like get pissed offabout that I think, if you are
experiencing that every singleday for no reason, I think that
would be the sign of a mentalissue, but if you're just having
a shitty day and someone thatjust yells your name and you're

(54:46):
like what I'm like, OK, well, Ithink that's more reasonable.
So, I think we're good there.
The third one is you don't haveself-esteem and you hate making
choices because you alwaysthink you'll make the wrong one.
Now I know I think I can relateto this a little bit and I
think I've talked to enoughpeople to where this is probably

(55:08):
a common thing, and I thinkself-esteem is a hard thing to
not master but to have apositive self-esteem.
And I think that also goes tohow strong your mind is.
Because let's just take likebullying, I was bullied when I

(55:31):
was little.
I was bullied probably for alot of years, yeah, all the way
through through high school.
I mean it slows, it slows down,but I've always been kind of
like a chunky, short kid.
But I think at our early ageI've learned to kind of like let

(55:52):
it slide off my back, and Idon't think a lot of people know
how to do that.
I think people will take uh,like harsh remarks and name
calling and stuff like that tothe heart and let it really get
to them.
now there's a difference betweenlike being verbally abused and

(56:14):
bullied and then obviously, ifyou're being physically bullied,
well that's that's somethingelse you just gotta learn like
self-defense or just take acrack at the kid and knock them
out, but that's, that'ssomething different.
But to have a strongself-esteem, I think that has to
do with your strong your mind,your state of your mind.

(56:35):
It has to do with yourenvironment.
It's got to do with the peopleyou hang out, with, your parents
like I think there's a lot ofvariables with having a a strong
self-esteem.
and when it says you hate makingchoices, I think that goes to

(56:57):
having a low self-esteem,because if you have a low
self-esteem you may be afraid tomake a certain maybe let's just
say social choice, because inyour head if you make a choice
and it doesn't seem to be thecorrect one, then you just think
.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
You're going to die yourself.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
I'm not worth like.
So Do you Think you have thatissue at all, or do you think
you did have that issue Before?

Speaker 4 (57:28):
Maybe when I was a little younger, but nothing
extreme, just like when you getolder, you hopefully get a
little bit more confident.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
Right Gain self-esteem.

Speaker 4 (57:38):
So I mean you get older, you hopefully get a
little bit more confident rightgain self-esteem.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
So I mean, I don't feel like I have that issue, so
I don't think so like I said, Ithink we're doing good so far.
I think we're doing good,because a lot of this stuff too,
I think when you get older youjust learn yeah you know, you
learn how to handle stuff andyou learn how to figure shit out
, and you know, apply it to toyour self-esteem or to like a
lesson learned.
All right, the last I got oneor two more.

(58:02):
You are no longer interested byanything, even things you used
to love, so maybe this goes kindof to how depressed people feel
maybe it's like a just nointerest just don't want to do
anything, something that youlike doing, let's just say video
games, something that you likedoing.
Now you have no interest indoing it.

(58:25):
Even thing, yeah, even thingsyou used to love.
And the next one is you neverlive in the moment because part
of you is still stuck in thepast now I think a lot of people
yeah, I have this issue yeah alot of people probably have gone
through traumatic events orjust bad experiences, and it's

(58:48):
hard to move on to the nextlevel and to keep this past or
to keep your past intact.
So is there anything in thepast that doesn't allow you to
move forward?

Speaker 4 (59:06):
not really.
I mean, there's maybe somesituations that come up like
just minor stuff, where I'm likejust like thinking about my
past and maybe it like holds meup from doing something, but
it's not nothing like extremenothing, crazy, right nothing
crazy so I would say I thinkyou're, I think you're good, I

(59:29):
think.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
I'm not depressed as long as TikTok's here, I'm not
depressed and then and that'swhat I'm kind of worried too,
because I feel like when peopleget diagnosed for depression, I
think I feel like they just gothrough questions like this and
just mark off on a sheet ofpaper and here's your meds and
be like oh you, you failed sevenout of ten questions.

(59:51):
You're depressed yeah so I, whoknows, like I said, I probably
should have done more research,but I I have no idea.
But I will stand my grounduntil someone can um convince,
convince me otherwise and youneed an interview with therapist
maybe I do yeah like you know,I go to therapy.

(01:00:13):
Did you know that really?
Yeah, I've been doing therapyfor a few months now.

Speaker 4 (01:00:15):
Wow, good for you know I go to therapy.
Did you know that really?

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
yeah, I've been doing therapy for a few months now
wow, good for you and I won'tlie.

Speaker 4 (01:00:22):
Is it helpful?

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
it's helpful.
It's very helpful and I thinkand I've talked about it before
but, like for me, I grew upwhere you don't express feelings
or you're not encouraged toexpress feelings, so I was never
the person to talk about myfeelings or tell people what's

(01:00:45):
wrong with me, if I'm having abad day or there's something
wrong with me.
I was never the that boy to crymy feelings to somebody like I
always kept that in and I thinka lot of it, like a lot of my
decisions that I've made in thepast, I think if I would have
had somebody to talk to as anoutlet, probably would have

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talked me down out of doing alot of the stupid shit that I
did.
And so, like now, I'm justworking through all my stuff,
that all my process of thinkingthat made me do stupid, stupid
shit in the past.
It just let me realize, or justlike a different way of of
thinking really, and it drivesme crazy that I'm 35 years now.

(01:01:35):
35 years now, I'm 35 years oldnow, and I just look back I'm
like, oh my God, why did I dothat?

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
Or why did I?

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
say that, like, how did that benefit, benefit me?
And it's scary because, likewith the help of therapy, I kind
of see myself maturing.
You can process it, righturing,you can process it Right,
exactly, I can process it, Icould analyze it, and then I
could kind of see how it'saffecting me or how it affected

(01:02:08):
me.
And, yeah, I would recommendeverybody go to therapy?

Speaker 4 (01:02:14):
I don't, but I would like to.
I mean even if you just did youconnect with your first
therapist, like, did you havethat connection with them?

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
because sometimes it takes a while to find I went
through two different therapistsbefore I really settled on uh,
the one I have now what didn'tyou like about the first two?
So the first one was it was kindof like what you see in the
movies you sit at a couch or youlay down and the guy sits in a

(01:02:44):
little one-seater with his legscrossed and he takes notes.
So that was my first one.
He was a older gentleman,probably 50s or 60s, and I
thought it was cool like I Iwould express my feelings, but I
never really felt like he wascoming up with solutions, but I

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never felt like I was growing asa, as a person.
I just it was more like.
It was more like I was justcomplaining or spilling my
feelings out and it was justsomeone listening and I wasn't
really getting like advice.
And then my second one was a.

(01:03:31):
It was maybe like not an olderblack guy, but maybe in his 30s,
40s, and it was just like avibe thing.
You know, just like you, yousit with somebody, you have a
conversation and then you eitherjust like vibe with that person
or you don't.
So I think I did like one ortwo sessions with him and then I

(01:03:55):
just didn't go back.
Yeah.
And then there was a long period, maybe like a year period,
where I didn't, I wasn't doingany therapy.
And then I found this, thiswoman, and she's, she's younger,
she's probably a little bitcloser to my age, um, but you,

(01:04:15):
just, you just click, just click.
You know, like she actually issaying stuff and giving feedback
and giving advice and like justmaking sure that whatever I'm
saying she's reiterating back tome, and so I understand, you

(01:04:36):
know, like the outcome of thingslike it's, it's a lot, a lot
better, and so I think I'vegrown just, I guess, mature,
wise, in the short period thatI've been with her than I have
with any other therapist.
So, guys, therapy, I know itmight be like a little taboo,

(01:04:58):
but if you think you're goingthrough anything, or even if you
don't think you're goingthrough anything, sit with a
therapist if you can afford itand you don't even have to go
in-house or to an office.
I do mine, uh, like onlinethrough a laptop.
I can even do it on my phoneyeah like you could do it over
your phone, over a laptop.

(01:05:20):
But therapy is not just forpeople who are going through
shit.
I think therapy can help yougrow as a person like, even if
you're not happy with yoursituation, talk to someone about
it, get, get a neutral party,because I think that's what a
lot of people do They'll go talkto their cousin, their sister

(01:05:41):
their brother.

Speaker 4 (01:05:41):
They're going to take you aside.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
And yeah, it's like they're going to be partial to
you.
They're not going to be able togive you a strong, neutral
stance on it.
So, I think that's what'simportant is finding a person
that doesn't have any stick inthe game, that could give you
advice and be real with you,because they have no impact on
what decision you make.

(01:06:05):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:06:05):
So there's an online therapy program called
BetterHelp.
It's not a sponsor, but maybeone day.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
So, yeah, I I recommend it.
It's doing wonders for me.
So, like I said, even if youdon't have anything going on,
it's not, wouldn't be a bad idea, just to talk things out and
shit there might be somethingthat comes up that you didn't
even know that was an issue, butjust talking to somebody
definitely helps.

(01:06:36):
And then, moving on to, youused to be vegan, right.

Speaker 4 (01:06:45):
I knew this subject was going to come up?
Yes, I was vegan for sevenyears.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
Seven years vegan.

Speaker 4 (01:06:50):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
Now what drove you or what motivated you to become
vegan seven years ago.

Speaker 4 (01:06:58):
And so it started off with giving up men.

Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
Men.

Speaker 4 (01:07:04):
It started off with giving up meat.

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
Meat Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:07:08):
During Lent and I was on YouTube like researching
recipes that didn't involve meator whatever, and then, um, I
found myself just eating likemac and cheese and peanut butter
and jelly.
So that's the whole reason whyI went on to onto youtube and
then I got into veganism videosand they sucked me in like they

(01:07:31):
were like you know, we don'tneed meat, you don't need need
cows like, or milk from cows,because that's for babies, baby
cows, and it's not like Idisagree with anything now.
But yeah, it was like anethical save the animals, I
don't want to eat meat, healthreason.

(01:07:52):
It was kind of like manydifferent reasons.
But yeah, I stuck it out forseven years and then, um, about
two years ago, uh, my body wasjust telling me like, okay, this
is it I want me yeah, give me asteak give me the steak.

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
So what's the?
I guess what's the the mostbeneficial thing about being
vegan health-wise.

Speaker 4 (01:08:21):
Well, they say it's more energy.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
So more energy.

Speaker 4 (01:08:24):
Although I didn't really experience that, I feel
like my energy level is stillthe same.
And then they say like well, itis true, a lot of the meats
have toxic.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
Oh like processed yeah, processed meat, say like
well, it is true, a lot of themeats are like have toxic, oh
like process, yeah, processedmeat so like on a health basis,
it's really not healthy toconsume all that sure, and milk
too yeah, see, I can see that.
But, like you said and youcould correct me if I'm wrong
but being a vegan is more aboutthe ethical part, about not

(01:08:59):
consuming or things from aliving being more so than the
health benefits, correct?

Speaker 4 (01:09:07):
well, it depends on who you talk to well, there's
I'm sure there's different typeof parties but I say the
majority of vegans are in it forsave the animals, ethical
reasons right and I get that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
So now, so you haven't been vegan for how long?
Two years now yeah, about twoyears and so when you transition
from being a vegan to justeating meat regularly, did your
body go through any surprisingly?
No, really not at all.
Just a smooth transition.

Speaker 4 (01:09:36):
Nothing really happened nope, the first thing I
had was eggs.
I was like, okay, let me slowlygo into it.
And then I had like turkeybacon.
And then I had like milk, likea milkshake or ice cream.
Nothing happened after that.
Then I was like, all right,let's go for a burger.
Nothing happened after that.
It's like my body rememberedhow to process it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, because it's at the sametime I mean even meat and stuff
like that that's processed andit probably has certain toxins
in it.

Speaker 4 (01:10:07):
It still has things that your body needs yeah, at
the end of the day, yeah, and Itry to eat clean with it.
Still too Like when I buy meat,I buy grass fed.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:10:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
It's probably the best way to do it.

Speaker 4 (01:10:21):
It's just so damn expensive to eat clean.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
I know it's so expensive, Like you would think,
if you want your country tostay lean not lean, but stay
healthy and not have such a highobese numbers you think you
would make it easier or cheaperto eat healthy, but it's so
fucked up that we live in acountry where it's a lot cheaper

(01:10:47):
to get two mcdoubles in a smallfry than it is to eat like a
salad with, you know, leanchicken or anything like that,
that's and even the pricedifference between organic
blueberries and regularblueberries or any other fruit
is crazy and what's thedifference mass production
what's the difference betweenbuying organic fruit from a

(01:11:11):
regular fruit like?
is it just the way that it'spicked from the vine and
processed?

Speaker 4 (01:11:16):
it's usually local, so organic, yeah, organic local
yeah, uh, not always local, butusually it's local um, and then
the regular blueberries orwhatever they're usually sprayed
oh, like with the whole yeah,pesticides, and then they're
like mass like yeah, yeah, I getproduced and picked I can see,

(01:11:37):
so that's all right.

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
Yeah, I guess, like I guess I always see organic and
I never really know what thatmeans.
I just know what it costs more.
But did you hear that?
Um, that the fda is banning thenumber three red food?
yes like I read that.
I'm like man, that's, that'sactually awesome.
Yeah, I wish 40.

(01:12:01):
Yeah, like I wish like states,or maybe maybe not the whole
country, but I I wish that thegovernment gave states the power
to regulate food honestly, justlike like trans fats and like
high sugar, uh products andstuff like that.
I think I think, overall as acountry, we would be a lot

(01:12:24):
better if we had this shitregulated.
Then you'll get people with afreedom writer saying no,
government shouldn't be gettheir hands involved and it's
our freedom to choose, blah,blah.
But it's the same thing withcigarettes.
Like cigarettes, yeah, you'rethey, they didn't ban it, but

(01:12:46):
they're they're charging hellamoney for you to do it.
They put the label on theretelling you that they it had.
It causes cancer and, in a way,maybe we should start doing
that with food because it's likeI said, our obese numbers are
ridiculous.
I think we're like the fattestcountry out of the whole damn

(01:13:10):
world but here's what I don'tunderstand with that.

Speaker 4 (01:13:13):
So red 40 isn't hot cheetos.
Does that mean they're gettingrid of hot cheetos completely,
or just the ingredient?

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
no, it's, I think it's certain ingredients.
So I found something that.
So I found 12 foods that might.
Might is a key word, but mightnot be allowed under the new
laws in 2025.
So I'll go down to like, likeyou said, like hot cheetos.
So technically it would beconsidered like a high sodium

(01:13:42):
package snack that's your chipsand stuff, but it basically
these chips that have such ahigh sodium intake in them.
It contributes to high bloodpressure and heart disease.
Um, new regulation couldrequire, just like, a reduced
sodium content.
So maybe not necessarily likethe flavor of it.

(01:14:03):
Well, it might affect theflavor but.
I just think, like chips, likethat, like they may be by law,
just have to cut whateveringredient or process that makes
that sodium so high.
They'll just have to cut thatdown and things are going to
taste the same and it may not,but at the end of the day, like

(01:14:26):
this country's got to get out ofthat of a habit of just eating
so damn much and, and I'll gothrough a couple more, I think I
said 12, but I think I took one, two, three, four, five.
I took like the, maybe like thefive most common foods that
might be effective but, likeartificial colored candy.
So like how the red, the red dyeis going to be uh, outlawed.

(01:14:49):
Like some dyes such as the red40 and yellow 5, have been
linked to behavioral issues andallergic reactions in in
children.
So certain candies, dependingon how vital that ingredient is
to that candy shit, it may befucking like twizzlers might

(01:15:10):
have to go away, or like theymay have to serve like a damn
sugar-free, like there might bea lot of sugar-free shit that
might have to go into play.

Speaker 4 (01:15:20):
A lot of breakfast foods like Pop-Tarts.
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
And, like we talked about earlier, like processed
meats with nitrates, like as apreservative, like hot dogs,
bacon and deli meats.
Studies have associated thesepreservatives with increased
cancer risk.
So, like we got all this foodthat's mass produced and the way
that it's processed, the waythat it's packaged, the way that

(01:15:45):
it's preserved, it's like it'saffecting us, it's affecting the
country in a big way, maybe notlike in an astronomical like
way, but like in a very, youknow, minimal, like long drawn
out effect.
Another one which is dear to myheart energy drinks, like

(01:16:09):
governments have been debatingon only selling to like 18 year
olds and higher which, yeah, Iget that Kind of the same thing
as cigarettes.
I mean, if it's gonna have sucha effect on your body, then
maybe it's.
It can only be regulated orsold to people that are 18 years
and older, but it concernsabout that.

(01:16:30):
It's pretty obvious.
It includes heart problems,sleep disturbances and and
increased anxiety.
Yeah, which?
Yeah, because I think it's thecaffeine, but at that point I
think more so.
Caffeine is not bad for you.
We know that, like a largeamount of caffeine could be bad
for you.
But as far as energy drinks, Ithink with the caffeine and the

(01:16:53):
high sugar, when mix those twotogether, that's when you start
having problems.
That's why I feel like zerosugar edited drinks might be
okay, but maybe all of them willhave to go to zero sugar, which
I think most of them are now.
Yeah, they're going zero sugar.
I mean, you have your alanis,you have your celsius, you have

(01:17:13):
your your rain and stuff.
It's really only monster.
Uh, red bulls, maybe one of thebig one that's really is bang
still around.

Speaker 4 (01:17:25):
I thought bang went out no, I think it's still
around it could be, but it'slike.

Speaker 3 (01:17:30):
It's like I said, it's only like two or three big
companies that still sell likesugared, like drinks.
They still have their non sugaror their zero sugar ones, but
they still sell and I thinkthose drinks might just have to
go away and they may have tostick with the, the zero sugar
do you drink coffee as well?
so like I swap back and forth.

(01:17:51):
So some mornings I make acoffee for myself and then I go
to work and then, like I'll havea energy drink, like at
lunchtime, like around 12o'clock.
So I kind of go back and forth.
Or sometimes I'll start my daywith an energy drink and then,
like, have another energy drinklater in the day.

(01:18:12):
The day.
So I think I consume let's justsay because I don't do it every
day, but let's just say one anda half drinks that could have
caffeine in it a day one and ahalf, let's say not too bad
and then the other one is ultraprocessed breakfast cereal and

(01:18:33):
this is kind of concerning to mebecause my kids, yeah, fucking
consume the shit out of cerealevery week.
And kind of concerning to mebecause my kids fucking consume
the shit out of cereal everyweek and it's due to the high
sugar in artificial ingredients.
And I'm thinking like, yeah,that that makes sense, because I
think that cereal is probablyloaded with sugar and I think
cereal may have a harder problem, like if they say that you have

(01:18:57):
to lower the sugar content oncereal, maybe not completely go
away from it, but they said thatyou have to have a certain
percentage of sugar.
I think that's going to takeaway a lot of the flavor from
the cereals.
And there's probably going tobe kids out there that that are
not gonna like it and go tosomething else.

(01:19:17):
So I can see that hurtingcertain companies.
But hey, like I'm all for that.
Like I said, like at the sametime, I don't think government
should be telling us what we canand and can't do.
But when this country has sucha long history of, like health

(01:19:39):
issues and obesity, at somepoint someone some of the
president or congress or thesenate that runs this country we
gotta do something to help orhelp each other out, because we
as citizens are not doing it.
I mean, these numbers just keepgrowing it's every every year.
And but we're just so consumedwith convenience that we would

(01:20:04):
rather just go to mcdonald's andconsume 3 000 worth of calories
in one sitting rather than makethe in the lifestyle too.
Everyone's working 24 7 yeah noone has time to cook but I think
that if the government startedimplementing new laws or
different regulations or limitedcertain ingredients, I think I

(01:20:29):
think at first people would bepissed and it might not go as
well, but I think in the longterm I think it would be better
for the country but I don't knowif, yeah, I think, if it was
just slowly implemented, like Ithink, if if they just said like

(01:20:49):
, can you imagine if thegovernment just said, look nope,
no trans fat, illegal for transfat.
That might cause oh yeah, forsure like, oh like, because
trans fat isn't a lot of thingsthat taste good and specifically
like fast food restaurants.
So you're talking about likepeople's rights.
You're talking about companies,businesses like that.

(01:21:12):
I think it would be maybe overthe top, but just like the stuff
that we like, just outlawinglike red number three or
outlawing red number 40 down theline, like stuff like that.
I think it would make companiesbe more conscious of how they
process and make their food andI think, in the long run, it

(01:21:34):
would help us.
It would help us as a countryand it's very doable.
Other countries do it I thinkso too, I think exactly yeah,
we're the only ones I have thatthere's.
There's gotta be something to it.
And I don't know what the whatthe ranking is, but like

(01:21:54):
whatever country is in the top10 for, like healthiest citizens
, like there's got to besomething to it.
I know us is in the bottom, butlike what are these other
countries doing right?
That we're not doing, butthat's a whole nother.
That's a whole nother.
Debate on its own.
But let's play.

(01:22:16):
I want to.
Like I said I told you earlier,you want to do the never have,
ever again all right, let's doit and, like I said, it's
nothing crazy is there's no likeno sexual stuff in it.
It's nothing like that.

Speaker 4 (01:22:26):
But let's just put our fingers up.

Speaker 3 (01:22:28):
Well, there's, there's like 20 things.
So we're just gonna we're justgonna keep count on what our
number is and we'll see who hadwho's done the most okay out of
out of each one of us.
Okay, yeah, so we're gonna giveyourself a point for each thing
that you haven't done haven'tso you haven't done, okay, all
right, so the first one skipschool I have done I have done

(01:22:53):
too, all right, so no points forus, no points broken a bone?
Have I broken a bone?
I haven't I think I dislocated aknee but I never broken a bone,
so I got one.
Fired a gun.
I fired a gun.
I know you've had that fire.
Yeah, yeah, with with yeah withyour brother okay, uh, have you

(01:23:14):
done?

Speaker 4 (01:23:14):
drugs and cigarettes don't count mom and dad don't
listen to this.

Speaker 3 (01:23:19):
So yes, yes okay, so me too, we're, so we're still,
at one all right, been in a limo.
I've been in a limo for myproblem.

Speaker 4 (01:23:28):
Yeah, I went in a limo to a jonas brothers concert
all right, jonas brothers jesuschrist.

Speaker 3 (01:23:32):
all right, uh, got in a tattoo.
Yes, you have a tattoo.
What tattoo do you?
All right, jonas Brothers,jesus Christ.
All right, gotten, a tattoo.

Speaker 4 (01:23:38):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:23:40):
You have a tattoo.
What tattoo do you have?

Speaker 4 (01:23:42):
I have it on my inner ankle.
What is it?
It's a moon.

Speaker 3 (01:23:46):
My last name is Luna.
I guess I've never noticed that.

Speaker 4 (01:23:48):
And then some flowers .
Okay, I got it literally when Iwas 18.

Speaker 3 (01:23:51):
Oh really so it's like not the best, but so it's
like not the best, but it lookslike I don't regret it.

Speaker 4 (01:23:58):
Looks like it was done in a prison it was actually
done in this really sketchytattoo shop in lake station.

Speaker 3 (01:24:03):
That's awesome.
All right, so we're still atone point okay ridden a horse.
I've well, you know what I lieI have ridden a horse.

Speaker 4 (01:24:10):
Huh ponies count.

Speaker 3 (01:24:12):
Yeah, we'll, we'll count that because I'm counting
mine as a pony, yeah okay, sowe're still both at one sung
karaoke.

Speaker 4 (01:24:21):
I've sung karaoke yeah who hasn't uh, gotten a
ticket uh, yeah, I've gotten, aticket multiple multiple all
speeding yes, I've been good forsome years knock on wood, been
arrested no I've never beenarrested, thank god.

Speaker 3 (01:24:40):
So we're both that too.
Well, we're gonna tie this shit.
Well, no, because there's somekind of like special occasion
things that you might have donethat I haven't.
Have you gone, zip lining, yeahsee, I've haven't, I haven't
gone to plenty, is that fun?

Speaker 4 (01:24:53):
yeah, it was kind of scary.
I've seen videos.
I um let go of the string thatI was supposed to hold on to so,
and they snapped a picture ofme like falling back yeah, it
was kind of bad all right.

Speaker 3 (01:25:08):
Have you been on tv?
Have I been on tv?

Speaker 4 (01:25:10):
I've never been on tv like, even like in a news
sports game oh yeah, like, evenlike a sports game.

Speaker 3 (01:25:15):
I don't think I've ever no, I don't think so so I
I'm at four, so you're at two,right yep been on a cruise yeah
I've never been on a cruise yeah, I suck man, I'm like boring I
haven't done shit

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
got in a piercing.
I got a piercing before.

Speaker 3 (01:25:31):
Yeah, I got ears pierced.
Uh see, this is smoked, so I'massuming cigarettes.
Have you smoked cigarettes?

Speaker 4 (01:25:37):
Unfortunately.

Speaker 3 (01:25:38):
yes, I mean not on a regular basis.

Speaker 4 (01:25:40):
It was like you're drunk and you take a puff.

Speaker 3 (01:25:44):
Have you met a celebrity?
Yeah, who have you met?

Speaker 4 (01:25:47):
The Jonas Brothers.

Speaker 3 (01:25:48):
You met them backstage, justin Bieber.

Speaker 4 (01:25:50):
Yeah, justin Bieber, uh-huh, yeah, I actually.
Me and my friends were likecrazy.

Speaker 3 (01:25:56):
We would go to concerts hours early and wait
for them to come really andthere would be like a small
group of us outside I mean, andthey signed our cd, but like met
, like yeah, shook, their handshad a conversation with them.

Speaker 4 (01:26:09):
They said just in passing no they, they came up to
us really shook my hand, signedmy cd.
I gave um nick jonas, a hug,that's awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:26:22):
Yeah, that's cool.
Well, I think I'm at six ohlord um been skydiving indoor
skydiving I don't think thatcounts no, okay, so what I would
know?
Are you at three now?
You're at three now with theskydiving.

Speaker 4 (01:26:38):
Oh yeah, I'm at three .

Speaker 3 (01:26:39):
Okay, so I'm at six.
I'm not going to ask thisquestion.
I'm going to ask this question.
Okay, I'm going to skip thatone.
Have you done skinny dipping?
Yes, have I done skinny dipping?

(01:27:02):
I think I have.
I done skin skinny dipping.
I can't remember if I have.
I think I have.
I had to have like in my headI'm thinking like at a lake or
something, but it could havebeen a swimming pool.
Have I fucking done?
I'm gonna, I'm gonna give me apoint because I don't remember.
I don't have a clear memory ofskinny dipping so I'm at 8 and
then the last one been drunk.
I think we all been drunk, so Igot 8 points damn you got 3

(01:27:24):
damn.
I guess you've lived a littlemore exciting life than I have.
That sucks, so I didn't think.
I didn't even read that listbeforehand.

Speaker 4 (01:27:35):
I'm like I guess I'm freaking boring, I don't know
but you're gonna have to tell methe one that you didn't want to
read.

Speaker 3 (01:27:42):
Later I'll tell you it off, off, uh, off audio.
So I'm gonna end the podcast.
I'm gonna ask you two questions.
It's just kind of it's justfunny hypothetical questions
that I think that wereinteresting, and just thinking
about who I was going to have onthe show, I think this would

(01:28:03):
come up with some prettyinteresting answers.
Okay, so the first one is ifyou could make any fictional
character real but they had tolive with you as a roommate for
the rest of your life, who wouldyou choose?

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
but they had to live with you as a roommate for the
rest of your life who would youchoose?

Speaker 3 (01:28:23):
like the first thing that pops on my head, it would
be like iron man, like iron man?

Speaker 4 (01:28:28):
yeah, because that dude is rich and he's your
roommate, so he's gonna give yousome of that money I don't know
why, but the first person thatcame to my head and I feel like
I would want to think about thisquestion a little bit more but
the first person that came to myhead was Rachel Green from
Friends.
Why?
I just feel like she's cool.
She'd be a cool roommate.

(01:28:49):
She has cute clothes.

Speaker 3 (01:28:52):
I just feel like we'd have a good time, like Harry
Potter or nobody don't talk tome about Harry Potter.
I don't like Harry Potter.
You don't like Harry Potter.
What's wrong with Harry Potteractually?

Speaker 4 (01:29:01):
me and your mom talk about this all the time, because
you know how she loves Harry.

Speaker 3 (01:29:04):
Potter.

Speaker 4 (01:29:06):
I hate Harry Potter.
I've tried to watch it.
I never tried the books.
I think the books are probablyworse for me, but I've tried to
watch those movies about threeto four times.
I can't get into it.
I fall asleep.
It's just not my thing.

Speaker 3 (01:29:22):
You know what I'm.
The same way with Lord of theRings.
Oh yeah, I can get with thattoo, I've tried to watch it and
I get bored and I can't get intoit.
So I understand where you'recoming with.
That's just like I said.
I've watched harry potter,harry potter movie, wise.
They are good movies.
I enjoy watching them, but I'mnot like a huge fanatic like I'm

(01:29:46):
not the one to like watch itlike 20 times or anything like
that, but that's so funny thatyou would pick just like a
regular ass person.

Speaker 4 (01:29:56):
Yeah, she was cool I mean rachel green from friends
hey, that's your answer.

Speaker 3 (01:30:02):
That's your answer.
And she has to be your roommatefor the rest of your life, so
you're you're cool with thatyeah, I mean, like I said, she's
the first person that came tomy head.

Speaker 4 (01:30:10):
I mean I would have to think about this, that's a
huge commitment, but the firstperson is rachel.

Speaker 3 (01:30:15):
Okay, I'll give you that All right.
The second one is this might bea little bit of a thinker, just
because the answers could bevery consequential.
I don't know if I said thatright If you had the opportunity
to shorten your life by yearfor $250,000 per year, how many

(01:30:39):
years are you taking off?
So basically, if you said youknow what, I'm going to take
three years off of my life, okay, so 250 times three, I'm going
to give you $750,000.

Speaker 4 (01:30:53):
And we don't know what that age is.

Speaker 3 (01:30:54):
That's the thing.
You don't know what that age is, so you're going to assume
you're going to live into youreighties and nineties.
So, like, what is three years,give me, give me 70, you know
almost a million dollars.
But since you don't know whatage, do you even take a year?
Or do you say nah me.

(01:31:16):
Or do you be like bet, give me10, give me 10 years, give me
that money, give me 2.5 milliondollars I would play it safe and
do one to two years I, and Ithink that's what most people
would think because I thoughtabout that too.
I was like I think the most Icould go up to, but like maybe

(01:31:36):
three, because it's like youhave no idea, Like my luck.
I'll say, give me, I'm gonnaplay it safe, Give me one year.
And then I'm like I'm deadCause I was going to die with it
, Like that'll be my luck.

Speaker 4 (01:31:50):
But I think people would say give me a little money
If they did do it.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:31:57):
I think two years give me 500k hope that I live to
my 90s and like what?
What's two years gonna be offmy belt, you know?
It's not gonna really matter,especially like if you're in a
like uh, if you're like acrippled 90 and you can't really
move around anyway.
I don't say saying like, let meget my, let me get my life, let

(01:32:18):
me get my kid's life situated,give me $500,000.
I think I could make that work.
But yeah, three years willprobably be the most, because,
like, can you imagine likeanything can happen to you, like
I could get in a car accidentlike 10 years from now, and it's
like shit you know, I just, Ijust I just cut three years off,

(01:32:40):
you know, to that and soinstead of 10 years it was seven
years.
But yeah, I think two years isbecause $500, you could do a lot
with $500,000 shit.
You could pay everything off bya probably by a house, or at
least a down payment on a house,and then put that shit in some
kind of investment right I think, that's I think that's fair,

(01:33:02):
all right.
Well, I appreciate you comingon it was it was awesome to talk
to you.
I think this is the probablythe longest we've had a
conversation which just us twoyeah basically, but I enjoyed it
and once again, appreciate youcoming on.
I know some people get reallylike not weird, but like anxious

(01:33:24):
coming on and right now it'sjust audio, like my plan is to
get video, but that's, that'sgoing to be down the line
because that's going to be a lotmore software updates, uh,
maintenance and all that.
But hey, if something, if itgoes somewhere, that's the plan
you got this yeah, and then if Iget video I'll bring you back

(01:33:45):
on so everyone can see all thefaces you make answering these
questions and stuff like thatI'll make sure to brush my hair
that day.

Speaker 4 (01:33:52):
There we go.
Thank you for having me on allright, everyone.

Speaker 3 (01:33:56):
Thanks for listening.
I appreciate everybody.
Uh tuning in and uh till nexttime.

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