Rough Upbringing w/ Eliseo Rodriguez Jr.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:49):
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Confident, not Cocky, and thisis your host, charles Campos.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Jr.
All right, welcome back.
We just had this Thanksgivingholiday, so that's why I didn't
post one this past Tuesday.
But we're back in action andwe're here again, and luckily
I'm not alone.
I have a very special guestthat I've been trying to get on

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for a little while now, and I'mglad he's here.
So if you want to go ahead andstate your name for the audience
, go ahead Elicio Rodriguez.
And I know you from the gym.
Actually, I know you through mywife who goes to the gym that
you work at.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
And she sees you all the time.
You guys became reallyacquainted and kind of got your
information.
Obviously, I met you, talked toyou and, you know, became
buddies and I'm glad to have youon because from what I
understand, you have a lot ofgood stories to tell right.
Yeah, just really, really quick, how do you spell your first

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name?

Speaker 4 (01:55):
It's E-L-I-S-E-O.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
Okay so.
I had it all mixed up, so Ispelled it E-L-I-S-S-I-O.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Oh, wow, yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
I had no idea how to spell it, but I'm glad I got
close About 50-50.
So where does that name comefrom?
Is it short for anything?
Does it mean something Like howdid your parents name you that?
Well, I was named after myfather, okay, yeah and then does
it have any type of meaning ordoes it come from anywhere?

Speaker 4 (02:33):
that you know of.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
From what I'm told, it's in the bible oh, really,
I've never and I'm not really areligious person, but I've never
.
I didn't know that was in thebible.
Yeah, okay, and well, goodenough for me.
And then, um, I understand thatyou like to partake in the weed

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yeah, do you definitely?
How often do you dab on that?
um, I would say once a day,maybe after work, depending on
my day are you one of thosepeople that is like a high
functioning type person that whocould, who could just do a
bunch of it and just really stayreally productive?

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Or when you do it, do you knowyou're going to be in the house
for the night chilling?
oh no, I, I'm productive yeah,oh yeah, yeah, I could go work
out, really work yeah, see, I, I, I don't know, and maybe it's
just like a tolerance thing, ormaybe it's per person, cuz I
know like when I do it, man, my,my eyes drop, I don't want to

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do anything, like I can't doanything, like my body goes like
numb and everything it's.
It's crazy.
I mean, was that ever the casein the beginning?
Like where, when you did it forthe first time or when you were
doing it, was it like adifferent feeling than what it
is now for doing it so manyyears?

Speaker 4 (04:03):
well, I would say yeah, especially with all the
different strands of weed.
Now they got dispensaries, solet me ask you that because,
like I said, I don't.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
I don't do weed, and not because the the idea of it,
but it's just it's not my cup oftea.
But so I'm just curious.
So, with the different strands,does different strands make you
feel differently?
What does a different strand dofor you?

Speaker 4 (04:34):
So back in the day when I started, it was sativa
and indica Okay.
So sativa.
They say.
What do they say?
Oh so sativa is supposedica.
Okay, so sativa.
They say, uh, what do they say?
Oh so sativa, supposed to giveyou energy.
And then indica, they say in thecouch, right I like that okay,

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and so now they got all thesedifferent hybrids and they mix
them up together.
So it's like some give you abody high, somebody, some of
them give you a lot of energy soit's so there's like a chemical
reaction that does to a bodywell, definitely so, but there
is strands intended to hitcertain things, like you said,

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give you energy or, if you wantto mellow out, you could buy a
strand that mellows.
Now they got not now they gotstrands for people with cancer,
different types of uh, medical,okay, yeah and so, and just for
context, you said back in theday how old are you?

Speaker 3 (05:37):
47, 47.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
So just to give a little context, what back in the
day for you, because I rememberI had I had my niece nana, uh
danielle, on the show and she'swhat back in the day for you
because, I remember I had I hadmy niece, nana danielle on the
show and she's like back in theday, I'm like you're like 26
years old back in the day.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
It means way back 10 plus years, so I was just for
context, so everybody knows whatyour back in the day is, and
then.
So we live in indiana.
So, as far as I know, it's notlegal here, right?
So where do you go to?
Get to michigan you go tomichigan, yeah, and what?

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What a 45 minute drive, an hourdrive, 45 minutes is there a
reason?

Speaker 4 (06:17):
is there a reason why ?

Speaker 3 (06:18):
you go to michigan rather than illinois illinois is
too expensive yeah, is it thatbig of a difference?

Speaker 4 (06:23):
Oh, yeah, they double tax it Really.
Yeah, they got state county tax.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
Oh, that makes sense, yeah, yeah.
So on average, what do youthink you're saving?
Because I guess let mebacktrack.
So when you go to Michigan tobuy, do you buy for like a week
supply, month supply, like howmuch are you?

Speaker 4 (06:46):
look, let me tell you , when I go to michigan, there's
no intent on how much I'm gonnabuy or how long it's gonna last
me, but, um, I think Ioverindulge when I go by,
because it's it's like is itlike a candy factory?

Speaker 3 (07:02):
you go in and you have all these different dude.

Speaker 4 (07:05):
you walk in and it's wall to wall, really Wall to
wall.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
Is there like flavor?

Speaker 4 (07:10):
to it oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Is it really yes?

Speaker 3 (07:13):
Now, okay, let me ask you this Do you do like the
traditional roll it up orcigarillo type thing, or?

Speaker 4 (07:22):
do you do the vape cartridge see I'm, I'm old
school, I'm rolling joins.
Okay, pack a bowl, so you buyit in the actual path.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
I probably sound stupid pre-roll okay, so you buy
on pre-rolled no, no, okay, no,I'll buy.

Speaker 4 (07:39):
I'll buy like two ounces at a time.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
So then you crush it up yourself and you roll it up
yourself like, like she saidback in the day you know, I get
a little tray, break it up.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
But see, the good thing now is none of this stuff
has seeds oh, yeah, okay, Iremember that with this.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
Yeah, back in the day , it's like out and shit, yeah
it's like a drive-by with allthe seeds you know, yeah okay,
all right, that's good.
Have you done like thecartridge and vape stuff?
so that's why I say when I go Ioverindulge, like I'll buy two
ounces weed, yeah, 12 carts ohreally 10 packs of gummies, and

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I don't even eat the gummies Idon't, I can't, I, I cannot
endure the flavor of weed likeI've had gummies before and it's
just.
I get that taste of just likeweed in the back of my mouth,
yes, the aftertaste, oh god, Ican't do it.

Speaker 4 (08:37):
And the gummies is a whole different high yeah, well,
yeah, I guess you're right.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
See, that that's the thing that really interests me.
Like your definition of of ahigh could be different from my
definition of a high, and yourreaction is probably going to be
a lot different than myreaction, and it just fascinated
me how, per person, really anytype of drug could affect you

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well, everybody's body'sdifferent.

Speaker 4 (09:06):
Yeah, right, and you're gonna react different to
you, are gonna right, so we knowthat you're, so you're a daily
user.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Right is what's the um?
What's the hardest drug you'vedone in your life?
You've been on this earth for47 years.
Have you indulged or beencurious about any hard drug
before?
And you've tried.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
I would say, for me, I would say cocaine.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yeah, yeah, now is it like just one or twice, or you
did it for like a couple yearsand then laid off.
What's the situation there?

Speaker 4 (09:39):
So when I was younger I used to get into a lot of
trouble, yeah, and in my teenageyears we used to do it all the
time.
I mean, there were times wherewe would do it for two or three
days straight, and I'm assumingit's.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
It was a lot easier back then to get like hard drugs
, like coke or cocaine, or isthat?
Do you think it's easier now toget it?
No, I would say it's a loteasier now.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
Yeah, you think so.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
Well, I guess yeah, I guess back then there was more
like the whole war on drugs.
I'm not saying you're that old,but but.
But I'm saying but like it wasmore of a like task force
mentality to try to controlthese drugs.

Speaker 4 (10:19):
And I guess now when I was growing up it was hard to
get weed, but then it was likeup it was hard to get weed, but
then it was like for me it wasthe older guys that had the
cocaine.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (10:30):
You know you wouldn't really go looking for it, You'd
be at a party.
Somebody would say hey, I got abag, you want to do a line?

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
Now, do you remember how doing cocaine made you feel
Like, did it give you like ahigh?
Did it just give you superenergy and the jitters, or it?

Speaker 4 (10:49):
uh, I've never done speed, but I would say it would
be similar you have a lot ofenergy and man, it's hard to
describe like you could heareverything really right, like if
you're sitting there still youcould hear your heartbeat.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
Okay, yeah, I understand that, Because I think
, and let me think, I'm 35, so Ihaven't been on this earth that
long.
But I'm trying to think, goback.
I think the hardest drug I'vetaken was cocaine and I'm trying
to remember my experience.
I, I remember that heart thinglike you would kind of be like

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they're like you, almost youknow you're right, you would
hear, you would think you'rehearing things or you heard
things and you're like, I thinkwith me it made me a little more
paranoid, oh for sure, and it'slike what, what's that?
What's that like?

Speaker 4 (11:43):
type of, but like you , were still having a good time
watching tv on mute, looking outthe window like who's there?

Speaker 3 (11:52):
nobody's there and I guess I've only done it in a
parting like a party setting um,and obviously there's stuff
going going around alcohol,you're doing whatever, playing,
you know beer pong, whatever,like.
So like, as I think, in myopinion and like everyone's
different, but like somethinglike cocaine or speed.
If you do it and there'ssomething to keep you stimulated

(12:17):
, I think you have a betterreaction to it so I've been on
this earth a little bit longerthan you and what people would
say is coke and liquor gotogether maybe that's why I
never had a bad experience.
That's the only time I did.

Speaker 4 (12:33):
Yeah, so because they say coke is a stimulant right
yeah, it's gonna.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
All in alcohols are depressing.

Speaker 4 (12:39):
Alcohol brings you down kind of mellows it out and
you and it evens itself out.
People usually when they're atthe bars, they got a little 20
bag of coke, yeah, and it's justso they don't get drunk oh, I
never, so they'll drink more.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
Oh shit, do a bump yeah man, I'm, I'm cool, I can
keep drinking all night now, butdoes that prevent like nasty
hangovers, or is that just noteven in?

Speaker 4 (13:05):
the equation, do you think?
I think the hangover comes frommixing drinks.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
Yeah, so if you mix, hard liquor and then you go to
beer.
Do you think that's true,though?
Like I haven't done theresearch behind that, but do you
think that's true, or do youthink that's just like a wise
tale folk?

Speaker 4 (13:21):
tale type thing.
I don't know how true thatwould be, because I I've never
been a drinker.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
No, no no, just not even casually.
You just stay away from it.

Speaker 4 (13:29):
I mean, I've tried it , it just doesn't appeal to me.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
So it doesn't taste good and like I'm that way now
but like, do you back in back inthe day, like in your 20s, were
you, did you drink a lot, andnow you're just like it's not
for me, because that's kind ofmy thing, because I went to
college, I did, you know thewhole university and you know I
did my share of partying and Idrank.
And even in my early 20s stillI would like to go out and drink

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and like now the idea ofalcohol just doesn't appeal to
me, doesn't do anything for me.
I don't even like, I don't evenwant to drink because I don't
want to deal with the possiblehangover the next day.
So for you was it just alwaysdidn't appeal to you.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
I I'd be at parties.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
Everybody's drinking and I'm just there he's got,
he's got her a cup of water.

Speaker 4 (14:20):
So yeah, I mean yeah well, I get honestly, it was
because my dad was an alcoholicokay, I totally want to totally
get that I didn't want to getinto that you know.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
what's fucked up, though, is that, like with me,
my dad was like an alcoholic,but yet it didn't affect me,
right?
It was weird and then okay, soyou know what?
Let's segue right into that.
Tell me a little bit about yourupbringing, where you grew up
from, how your upbringing was,and I'll tell you a little bit

(14:53):
of mine.
When I grew up in Indiana, overthere in East Chicago, my dad
always worked, wasn't reallyinvolved, didn't go to baseball
games or like all the just kindof like traditional deadbeat
type of dad and pretty much leftus or parents split.

(15:15):
I was probably like I don'tknow, six, seven years old, so
didn't really have arelationship with my father, and
during a little therapy I thinkit's kind of messed me up a
little bit.
And you always hear you knowall these kids, the statistics,
kids who end up in jail or blah,blah, blah.

(15:37):
Most of the time they don'thave a father figure in their
life, and I could get that a lotof times.
I don't think about it or likeI don't dwell on oh, daddy
didn't love me, type of stuff,but, um, I grew up mostly
without him and without a fatherfigure.
Fortunately, my motherremarried, yeah, and we moved in

(16:01):
with with him and you know.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
but it's one of those and like I'll let you.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
I'll let you talk in a minute, but it's one of those
things where, as I was growingup, it's I never really accepted
my stepfather as like my realfather, even though he put a
roof under my under, under overmy head, did everything for us,
took care of us.
It was just one of those thingswhere I grew up and I just

(16:30):
couldn't accept that he was likemy father now, but yet I didn't
even want anything to do withmy real father.
So it's like one of thosethings where I just went rogue
for a while and so tell me abouthow your upbringing real father
.
So it's like one of thosethings where I just went rogue
for a while and and so you know,tell me about how you know your
upbringing.
You already mentioned your dadwas alcoholic so go ahead.

Speaker 4 (16:51):
So my, uh, my upbringing my mom and dad were
married.
So my dad, he met my motherwhen she was pregnant with my
sister.
Okay, right, so that's not herfather, all right, but my father
actually married.
My mom gave my sister his lastname, nice, and then I came

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along and then I have a littlesister and we all lived in gary,
in a trailer park in brunswickbrunswick, okay, and so just for
the audience.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
So most people who aren't from indiana, they'm sure
they know what Gary area is.
So would you say you were inlike deep into Gary.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
No, it was like you know where the airport's at, so
right after the airport, righton the border, Okay.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Right on the border so you were kind of outside of
Gary, but still in that, okay,right, right, when you enter
Gary from Chicago.
We were right there, see nowwhen you were growing up in Gary
was Gary totally different fromwhen you just remembering as a
kid growing up then.
Obviously, compared now, garyis just horrible run down.

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Gary is shit's shit, it's shitwas it as bad or getting bad to
that point when you're growingup?

Speaker 4 (18:13):
so I only lived there till third grade okay, all
right so it wasn't, I didn't youknow, what I mean I didn't know
that gary was what it was.
Yeah, right, but I'm pretty sureit wasn't the best, I'm sure
Right.
So we grew up there, my dadworked in the steel mill LTV,
okay.
So he got laid off and thenbecame just started drinking

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depression.
He would come home every night,put his hands on my mom.
Damn, he would come home everynight, put his hands on my mom.
And I remember, if I would stayup at night and wait for him to
come home, I would stop him andI would say, hey, you're not
going to hit my mom.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
Oh, no, you're about how old when you were doing this
, I was in third grade.
Right.

Speaker 4 (19:03):
Okay, go ahead.
So there was times where my momand dad were fighting and I'm
in their bedroom and I'm yelling, trying to get them to stop.
Oh, that's horrible.
And they're throwing stuff backand forth at each other.
I could tell you a story.
My mom was waiting for my dadto come home.
She was tired of his shit.

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So he comes home.
And my mom was waiting for mydad to come home.
She was tired of his shit.
So he comes home and my mom'sgot a baseball bat and she's
like oh, you want to start shit.
She's like hit me, she hadenough.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
Oh, she had enough.
Yep, she's at that point.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
So my dad looked at her and was like yeah, I ain't
fucking with her tonight.
Oh yeah, really.
He stepped down.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
Usually.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
I mean usually they don't.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
Usually they said hey , challenge me.
No, but okay so he walked away,walking back to their room.
Their room was all the way inthe back of the trailer and my
mom the whole time following himtalking shit.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
So my dad got to the door of the room and she said
fuck it she hit him in the backof the head with the bat really
on provoke she did that she didit on her own well, I know right
, she was tired of his shit.

Speaker 4 (20:09):
Just yeah, she's, she's at that breaking, yeah,
and then so one day he comeshome starting shit I wasn't up,
I fell asleep.
My mom says I'm not fucking youwith you.
So she goes outside.
He follows her, taps her on theshoulder, she turns around,

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boom, no, broke her nose, noRight.
So where we live there was aliquor store in the front, yeah,
and my mom knew the lady.
So she went there and thelady's like I'm going to take
you to the hospital, so my dad'sfollowing him.
Ain't nothing wrong with you,come home, the kids need you.
And the lady says the policeare coming.

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I would leave.
Yeah bro, we woke up, me and mytwo sisters and my dad was
nailing two by fours to theinside of the fucking door,
because the cops Just being thepolice.
Yeah.
Oh yes, fucking door, becausethe cops being the police yeah,
oh, yes, okay, yeah, wow, andback then the cops wouldn't call
uh, child protective servicesyeah, they would call like a

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family member.
Okay, right, so my grandparentscome, they pick us up and then
the next day they say hey, we'regonna take you to the trailer
park and drop you off to yourmom.
My mom never showed up.
Where'd she go?

Speaker 3 (21:28):
she was already seeing someone else really for
how long, I don't know well wereyour parents married or just
together?
They were married.
They were married yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
So she was seeing someone else and she was with
him meeting his family.
I'm like you forgot the otherhalf of your family shortly
after this whole nose broken thenext day the next day, the next
, I mean obviously you.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
I mean you can't blame your mother for wanting to
find someone else after she'sbeen treated, unless you have a
different opinion about it Idon't blame my dad or I don't
hate him for it.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
That's between them two, right?
That's what I had to realizegrowing up, that that had
nothing to do with us.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
Oh yeah, it's not your fault, it's never the kid's
fault, never his kid's fault,but it still affects you as a
kid, absolutely Right.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
So the guy he moves in with us, he's working at the
steel mill.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
Okay, so backtrack.
So where where's your father?
Did your father leave?

Speaker 4 (22:30):
my mom told him he couldn't come back okay.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
So your mother was seeing somebody you know on the
side while this is happening.
So the incident happens whereshe gets her nose broken, she,
she goes to the hospital, thenshe sees that man the next day
and obviously things happen,things are said, consequences,
and so eventually your dad istold hey, get out of here,

(22:56):
you're not welcome back, and shebrings this new guy in with you
and your sisters.

Speaker 4 (23:02):
Okay, I'm just making sure I'm on the same page.
He tried to get me to acceptthem.
You know, come in hanging outbuying me little toys but, I
already knew who my dad wasright.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
Isn't that weird, though I mean okay.
So from there on, was that manlike?
Did she stay with that man?

Speaker 4 (23:25):
oh, what yeah?
Yeah, so he basically raisedyou from there so there's a lot
to the whole story, but Iwouldn't say he raised me and we
got at least two hours, howeverokay, however you deep you want
to go into, I don't want topull anything out that you don't
want to talk about.
Okay, I'm not ashamed of it.
Okay, things happen to peopleyeah you know, and I could talk

(23:48):
about it now, right, but, um, somy dad tried to come back, yeah
, but my mom had enough, right,sure?
So then this other guy I thinkhe used it to his advantage, how
?
So?
So well, like so, let's justsay, you and your wife get a
divorce, yeah, and you meet awoman, uh-huh, and you tell her

(24:09):
well, my wife didn't do this,didn't do that okay.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
So now to kind of manipulate a little bit.

Speaker 4 (24:15):
So the new girl she's gonna manipulate you, yeah, and
say, hey, you know all thethings that she didn't do.
She's doing them for you and inyour mind you're not even
thinking about it because you'relike man, how does she know
what I want?
Because you told herunwillingly.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
Okay, right, I see what you're coming from now.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
So it's like you know okay.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
So new man comes in.
Obviously dad comes back andforth.
We don't have to get to details.
So does this new man basicallyraise you from there on, or is
there times where you go likewere you going with your father?

Speaker 4 (24:56):
like to his place.
Okay, so he.
There was no like custody thing.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
So at that point my dad was an alcoholic yeah, like
full blown, and always has been,and no okay.
Point my dad was an alcoholic.

Speaker 4 (25:05):
Yeah, like full-blown , and always has been, and no
okay so my dad was amazing, yeah, I mean, he gave us everything
we needed.
So the thing for me wherethings changed for my dad was
when he lost his job.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
So, like you said, kind of almost into that
depression, depression and stayand so there was a guy at the
steel mill that took my dadunder his wing.

Speaker 4 (25:29):
His name was a sugar baby.
Sugar, yeah older black yeahand he passed away and I
remember we went to his funeraland my dad man, it was like
losing a father and after thatman, my dad went just straight
down the hill right and um hestarted drinking and then, when

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he would come home, he wasalways accusing my mom of
cheating okay right and my momput up with it.
My mom was young, so when shehad my sister, she was in high
school.
Oh shit, really Back then Okay,wow.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Back then yeah.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
Well, that was a whole.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
I got you.

Speaker 4 (26:14):
I mean, my sister doesn't even know who her real
father is, right.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
Does your mom know who the?
Real father is Well, that's thestory.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
Mom know who the real father is.
That's a story my mom said,supposedly on her way home from
school a friend of the familykidnapped her and raped her.
I think she went willingly.
You think so?

Speaker 3 (26:36):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (26:36):
Well, it's a friend of the family, right?
So she doesn't come home tillthe next day, and then she tells
my grandmother that he rapedher and when he fell asleep she
snuck out.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Really so?
If you kidnap a woman and rapeher, are her to do what you want
and bring her home with theintentions of to do evil, or do
you think it was a legitimategrabber in the van?

(27:15):
Tie her?
Up kidnap I think it was mighthave been more than the
manipulation.

Speaker 4 (27:19):
He wanted something right and knew it was easy too,
yeah, so she went along with it,yeah, and then made up this
whole story.
Oh, he raped me.
Yeah, yeah and this and that Isee what you're saying so for a
long time we thought my dad wasmy sister's father.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
We didn't know so, but did your father think that
he was the father?
No he knew.

Speaker 4 (27:41):
Oh so he knew right off the bat well, because when
he met my mom, she was oh, okay,okay, pregnant, pregnant, right
okay so back to uh, the guydidn't raise us, so he lived
with us and my dad ended upgoing to puerto rico he went
back to puerto rico okay, right.
And this guy worked at the mill.

(28:02):
He got laid off so instead oflooking for another job.
He's like they're going to callme back.
I'm just going to wait.
So my mom packed us and him,and we just moved to Puerto Rico
.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
Really In third grade With.
So your mother took the new guyand went to Puerto Rico.

Speaker 4 (28:24):
Well, we went with him, Wellerto rico.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
Well, we went with him.
Well, yeah, you went with him,right?
Well you went with your dad oryou went with your mom and her
man.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
No, after my mom and dad split up.
Yeah, my mom kept him away fromright, but you said your dad
went to puerto rico too, so didyou guys kind of like, were you
guys in the same?
town and city.
That's funny.
You would say that because whenwe moved out there, my my aunt,
lived out there, yeah, and shewas married, so we were living

(28:54):
with her.
Okay, and we're in school andmy mom comes and says, hey, we
gotta go, we gotta go.
And I'm like what.
So my dad found out that wewere out there, oh gosh, and he
was looking for us.
So she's like we gotta go.
So we went to go live with hisfamily.
And where does this family live?

(29:15):
On the other?

Speaker 3 (29:16):
side.
Oh so still in puerto rico, oh,still in puerto rico.

Speaker 4 (29:19):
Yeah and um, we lived out there for about a year and
a half and it was the craziestfucking year and a half.
And how old are?

Speaker 3 (29:27):
you at this point, and then third grade.
So we're still in the sametimeline year.
A lot's happening.

Speaker 4 (29:35):
Okay, all right, so still about third grade, All
right, Right.
So my mom and him get drunk onenight and they come home.
So where we lived, the drivewaywent.
It was like a half a.
My mom and him get drunk onenight and they come home.
So where we lived, the drivewaywent.
It was like a half a circ,right, you didn't just drive
straight up.
So this guy was so drunk thathe just tried to drive up the

(29:55):
hill.
No, and he had an old like GTOyeah, Stuck.
Me and my sisters wake up andthey're out there trying to jack
the car up.
They're drunk.
He pinches my mom's uh hand onthe jack.
She passes out no then shewakes up.

(30:16):
I don't want to do this.
I miss my parents.
So she goes in the middle ofthe street and it's like the
next car that comes.
I'm going to let him hit me.
I want to know Really I swearand I'm telling my mom come on,
mom, Come on.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
And I'm freaking out.
Yeah, of course.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
I'm in third grade.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
So now I'm sorry, do you like?
Just, is this embedded intoyour head as a memory, or is it
a mixture of memory and otherpeople telling you what happened
?
Like do you like?
This is all in your head, ohman nobody had to none of this
I'm telling you was eversomebody had to tell me this is
all from your head.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
Those are those memories that you'll never
forget.
Yeah right, those things thatare like that affect your life,
yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
Right, okay, so she's in the street.
You're trying to get her backso she wakes up or I get her in
the house.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
She passes out.
I thought she was dead, so I'mlike, okay, she's breathing, and
then we end up moving back.
Okay, right, and now we'reliving with my grandparents, so
the new guy.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
is he out?
The new guy is still there.
He's still there, Okay.

Speaker 4 (31:28):
So we left Puerto Rico after about a year and a
half and then we lived with mygrandparents for a while because
he still wasn't working, sure,and then my Aunt Sarah, she
worked for um public housing ineast chicago, so she put us on
the list to get uh publichousing, okay.

(31:51):
So then we finally one openeduh and we moved there.
It was a duplex in the projectson uh parish and broadway.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
So this is still in ind.
Yeah, east Chicago, eastChicago yeah.

Speaker 4 (32:04):
Yeah, and so we live there.
And the guy never reallyaccepted us Right?
No, you don't think so.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
Oh, I know.
Well, I thought he would have,like you said, he would have,
buy you stuff Like was he tryingto more.
So win your love rather thanearn your love.

Speaker 4 (32:20):
He was trying to win my mom's love.
Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he wastrying to win my mom's love.
Ah, yeah, yeah, right, okay.
I get it like.
You can't win a woman, sure, ora man's love by treating their
kids like shit.
You're right, right, yeah.
So for him, for me, it was alla front okay, yeah, I get that
all right.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
So, and then I'm a.
You just stay with yourgrandparents.
For how long do you stay withyour grandparents?

Speaker 4 (32:43):
um we don't stay there long, no, we don't stay
there long, no.
So a lot of jumping aroundright here to there when we
finally moved into the projects,we stayed there, okay, and, um,
the guy was a piece of shit,honestly, really.
Yeah, yeah, he, he, he treatedme and my sisters like shit and

(33:06):
come to find out he was tryingto molest my sisters.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
No, and I was in the way no, what, what, how do you
know or why do you think thatbecause I caught him?

Speaker 4 (33:19):
red-handed no, really , and so one night he tells my
mom, go to the liquor store andget some more beer.
And this motherfucker drankevery day, every day isn't that
fucked up?

Speaker 3 (33:36):
how you go from having your father who's an
alcoholic alcoholic to the nextguy being now alcohol alcoholic.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
Yeah, yeah, but it was a different kind of abuse.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
He didn't put his hands on my verbal but mentally
hey, that's almost that's justas bad or worse?

Speaker 4 (33:54):
I yeah, I agree, I think that's worse yeah, right,
so we go to the liquor store.
My mom says you're coming withme because he always picked on
me.
Okay, yeah, so she just wantsyou.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
So she was like I don't want to come back, yeah
and he says you were doingsomething.

Speaker 4 (34:11):
So when we come back, my mom says look through the
window and see what your sistersare doing.
So when I look through thewindow, my older sister is
sitting on his lap and he's gothis hand under her pajamas and
how old is your sister at thispoint?
Probably fifth grade, sixthgrade, damn right okay, so you

(34:34):
see this I see this, but I don'tsay nothing.
Why?

Speaker 3 (34:38):
well, and I'm not.
I'm not passing judgment, I'mjust curious what, what, what?

Speaker 4 (34:43):
because at the moment , I didn't know what was going
on.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
You couldn't process it.
I was like what the hell isgoing on?

Speaker 4 (34:50):
So he hears the screen door open my sister runs
and sits on the couch and he wastrying with my older sister,
and then my sister was like in7th 8th grade.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
She ran away from home Because of the.

Speaker 4 (35:09):
because of that, advancements right so my mom's
like what's wrong?
Tell me what's wrong.
My sister's like you're notgonna believe me so you gotta
remember back in the day when akid would accuse a family member
or anyone a lot of peoplewouldn't take you serious.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
That still kind of holds today, but I get it but.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
I mean, I think the stigma has changed, of course,
Right.
Of course, Because it's adifferent generation, Like if
one of your kids said hey,so-and-so was trying to touch me
.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (35:44):
A kid's not just going say that yeah I guess
right because think about it thementality of a kid.
Why would you make that up?

Speaker 3 (35:52):
yeah, and I think, with all those stories that have
gone and all the headliners andeverything we've heard in the
past, just in the past like 10years, I think, right, you're
right.
I think we and with socialmedia and everything being so
available to us, we see the newslike that we're like you know
what this shit's reallyhappening.
I should probably take my kidsserious compared to back in the

(36:14):
day is different.

Speaker 4 (36:15):
Yeah, I mean, like you said, with all this social
media and everything, it's okayfor you to speak out now, yeah,
right.
But back then it was likenobody's gonna believe me, right
?
So my sister told her he'strying to molest me.
Oh, she dismisses it.
You don't like.
You don't like him.
Oh, you don't want me to bewith him, yeah, so see, that's

(36:38):
what I'm saying.
Like he brainwashed my mom yeahlike I.
I would wake, honestly.
I would wake up in the middleof the night in my room upstairs
and I would hear him telling mymom that he caught me trying to
molest my little sister in thebathroom.
What a piece of shit, yeah.
Yeah, you know why?

(36:59):
Why, he was trying to throw itoff of him.
He was trying to get me out ofthe way.
Yeah, he used to.
He used to be like I'm yourfather, your dad's.
A piece of shit.
I, I put a roof over your headand I would tell him we're on
welfare.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
Yeah, the government's taking care of me.
You don't even pay rent here,you know so is it safe to say
that you never really got andlet's, let's say never, because
you did say your dad was reallygreat up to that point where he
got depressed.
So but is it safe to saymajority of your childhood?

(37:39):
There was a lack of kind of afatherly love, or just maybe
love in general.

Speaker 4 (37:43):
There was a lack of kind of a fatherly love, or just
maybe love in general.
There was a lack of structureat home.
There was no love.
I felt like I wasn't caredabout.
Damn Right.
Yeah, he pulled a gun out on meone time.
No really, how, why?
Please tell me that story so hetells me he used to walk around

(38:04):
with a little revolver on hisside right and he used to think
he was big shit.
And I'm like who's threateningyou here that you have to walk
around with a?
gun on your side, in your ownhome.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
So one day.
So he used to love to pick onme and he's like, hey, hey, you
think you're a tough guy and hestood up.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
Is he drunk at this point?
He was always drunk, right.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
So he pulls the gun out, puts it on the table, oh,
and he says you're a big guy,you're tough.
Grab the gun.
He goes, grab it, shoot me.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
And how old are you at this point?
Are you older, like 10, 12,teenage?

Speaker 4 (38:45):
No at shoot me.
And how old are you at thispoint?
Are you older, like 10, 12?
No, at this time I'm likeseventh grade.
Okay, right what he didn't know.
I was out there doing fucked upshit already.
Yeah so yeah so me and my buddywe had broke into a house and
we found two guns under themattress.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
So I'm sorry I just like how casually you just said
yeah, me and my buddy broke intoa house and found two guns.
I, I love that.
I mean.
I mean, it's just funny, it'sjust it's funny how it just
rolled off your tongue socasually.

Speaker 4 (39:18):
But yeah, go ahead, yeah so we found these two guns
and those, these two older guysthat encouraged us to break into
the house, oh really Right.
And my buddy gave the olderguys his gun and they're like
hey, what are you going to dowith your gun?
You don't need that?
I was like no, I'm keeping myshit.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
Did you have?

Speaker 4 (39:40):
it on you when that.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
Oh, it was upstairs in my room.
Oh shit really.

Speaker 4 (39:44):
Yes, All right, it was a .357 Magnum, really, okay,
all right, it was a 357 magnum,uh-huh.
And I said hold on a minute,I'll be back.
So I go upstairs, grab my shit,come down now.
I'm standing there, yeah.
And he's standing there and Igo, I got my shit, grab yours.
And he tells my mom oh, look,your son got a gun in the house.

(40:08):
And see, this is the thing.
Every time he picked on me, Iwould tell my mom are you going
to say something to him?
I'm just a kid.
You know what my mom would saythat's between you and him, what
the hell.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
That has nothing to do with me.
Okay, all right.
So the more I hear the stories,all right are they?
Are your mom and him stillalive?

Speaker 4 (40:34):
uh, she's still alive .
He died about a little over ayear ago how?

Speaker 3 (40:39):
how's your relationship with your mother?
Not good.
No, are you guys like?
Is it one of those things whereyou only see each other on
holidays or you haven't talkedto?

Speaker 4 (40:48):
her.
In years I haven't seen my mom,probably close to 10 years.
Yeah, she lives in Puerto Rico.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
Okay, I was going to ask her if she lives around here
.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
So I'm going to fast forward a little bit right, okay
, yep.
So I ended up getting kickedout right.
And I'm living with my cousinand you know how they say karma
the universe.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
Yeah, it's true, bro, karma's a bitch, or.

Speaker 4 (41:18):
What comes around goes around type thing, he ended
up shooting her.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
Your mother.

Speaker 4 (41:23):
Yes, what the fuck?
Okay, yeah, all right.
So my cousin wakes me up.
Hey, your sister called tonyshot your mom.
I'm like fucking dreamy, so Igo back to sleep hey, man, you
gotta go back to sleep.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
Well, shit, yeah, I mean almost like, how do I
process that?

Speaker 4 (41:42):
yeah, like how do you process?
That, yeah, yeah like I thoughtI was in a dream yeah, I get
you so he shot her.
She still got the bullet in herand she stayed with him that?

Speaker 3 (41:56):
see, that's wild.
But but do you think that'sbecause of all the years of
manipulation and stuff like that, or do you think you're?
You think it's more on your,something to do with your mother
?

Speaker 4 (42:10):
I think it was just the lifestyle that they were
living, always getting drunk,always partying.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
Because she said it was an accident, accident did
your mother ever work, or wasshe always like a stay-at-home
mom?
She was always a stay-at-homemom.
So then, how'd you guys survivewhen um tony his name?
How'd you survive when he was?
Because I remember you said hewas out of work and it sounded

(42:36):
like he was out of work for awhile.
So how'd you guys survive?

Speaker 4 (42:39):
I don't know, yeah, well, I know.
When we were living in theprojects, my mom was getting
child support from my dad okayso my dad got called back to the
steel mill but he was somentally unstable that he went
to doctors and he just got acheck every month really yeah,

(43:01):
what's um?

Speaker 3 (43:02):
is your father still alive?

Speaker 4 (43:04):
my, my, uh, my dad was murdered your dad was
murdered in Puerto Rico.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
Like how long ago?
Like back in the day or withinthe last ten or five years?

Speaker 4 (43:17):
no, I was 20.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
Yeah, I'm 47, so about 20 years 25 years ago yeah
, just like what's he like hegot into a bad crowd, or was it
like no just like a woman really, yeah, damn, yeah, did you.
Did you go to puerto rico?

Speaker 4 (43:37):
for the funeral?
No, I couldn't go.
No, I was, um, I was workingout of town doing construction,
yeah, and I didn't have themoney, and I was with my first
daughter's mom, okay, we justcouldn't afford it.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
Was it one of those things that when you heard it
happen, were you overwhelmedwith emotion?
Were you like oh well oh well.
How did you feel when you heardthat news?

Speaker 4 (44:06):
I didn't feel.
It didn't feel right, it didn'tfeel real.
But at the same time I wasn'treally that close to my dad to
be emotional.
I mean, I cried and I couldn'tbelieve it, but it wasn't like
it wasn't devastating to you.
It wasn't devastating, right?

(44:27):
So, like when I was in highschool, I started gangbanging.
I got into a fight.
I knocked some kids teeth,teeth out.
My mom sent me to go live withmy dad and I said oh, all of a
sudden, you know where my dad'sat.
and she's like I'm not puttingup with this shit, you're gonna
going to go live with your dad.

(44:47):
Dude, literally two days afterI got expelled Midway Airport,
I'm gone.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
How long did you stay with your dad for?

Speaker 4 (44:55):
I stayed there.
I didn't last probably sixmonths.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
Oh really, Because of getting in trouble out there,
or just the relationship betweenyou and your dad.

Speaker 4 (45:05):
The relationship between me and my dad.
Yeah, so when you go to PuertoRico, when I went, the airport's
small Okay.
So they don't allow your familymembers inside the airport to
pick you up.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
Oh, no, shit Okay.

Speaker 4 (45:19):
So when you're walking out, everybody got signs
on the window Uh-huh, and itwas my grandfather and my cousin
Minguitoito.
My dad didn't even come to thefucking area airport to pick me
up really yeah, so he wasn'tthrilled that you were coming in
the first place.
It was the alcohol yeah, dude,I got there like somewhere, huh

(45:42):
he was like passed out at thehouse he was at the bar really
at nine o'clock in the morningthat's crazy, that it just it's.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
It amazed me like something like that can consume
somebody so much that they can't.
Yeah, that's that's.
I mean, that's pretty much likethe definition of addiction, to
the point where you'd rather beat the bar than go pick your
son out?

Speaker 4 (46:10):
I told my cousin.
I said does my dad know?
Yeah, where's he at At the bar.
You want us to take you?
I'm like, yeah.
So he took me and my dad.
He used to call me his cookiebecause I was his only son.
He's like oh cookie this andthat.
And he's like oh, cookie thisand that.
And he's like sit down, have adrink.

(46:32):
I'm like do you know how?

Speaker 3 (46:33):
old?
I am, yeah.
How old are you?
At the you're in high school.
I was in high school 15, 16years old, 15, 16.

Speaker 4 (46:40):
I said I don't drink.
Oh, that's good, don't drink.
So he went back with us to mygrandparents' house that's where
he lived Took my money, wentthrough my suitcase and I smoked
cigarettes at the time my mombought me a carton of cigarettes
to take with me.
That's, you know, wow, what aparent, right, yeah.

(47:01):
And he took half my carton ofcigarettes, all the money I had,
and was like I'll be back.
I didn't see him for two weeks.
What?
Where did he go?
Out in the streets drinking.
So he would get this checkevery month.
Right, His sister was in chargeof his money.

(47:23):
So he would go to all thesedifferent bars and have a tab
and at the first of the month myaunt would go and pay all his
tabs off and then it would startall over again.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
Fuck.

Speaker 4 (47:37):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
So it's probably safe to say that the best thing your
father did for you was see howbad alcohol can consume somebody
.

Speaker 4 (47:48):
And therefore, have you kind of stay away and
another thing is how not totreat a woman well.
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely sodamn that is fucked up, dude.
I've been through a lot of shitin 47 years.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
Yeah, that sounds like it all right let's let's
fast forward a little bit and,speaking of of treating a woman
or how to treat a woman, what'syour status right now?
Are you?

Speaker 4 (48:16):
single I'm single.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
Single Because you have what?
Three, four kids, four kids,and then what I know, you have a
few daughters.
Are they all daughters?
No, I have a few daughters.

Speaker 4 (48:29):
Are they all daughters or no?
I have a.
So I had a daughter with thischick I was with for like five
years, uh-huh.
Then we split up, okay, and Imet my uh.
I was married.
So I met my ex-wife at abirthday party at the park for
my cousin's kid and we went tohigh school together, all right.

(48:51):
So one thing led to another.
She had two kids.
I raised them as my own and wehad a kid together.
We were married 16 years, wow.
And uh, I've been divorced alittle bit over six what, um?

Speaker 3 (49:08):
what happened with that marriage?
That was 16 years.
You guys just grew apart, wegrew apart and honestly, I
didn't feel appreciated.
Okay.

Speaker 4 (49:19):
I felt like everything was like well, you're
my husband, that's what you'resupposed to do.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
And I'm like Kind of like that old school mentality
where man has a role, woman hasa role.
That's how it should be right,I?

Speaker 4 (49:31):
think and I always try to be a good man and do nice
things for her, and I told her.
I says you know how I bring youflowers home for no reason
because, you're a good motheryeah, you're a good wife.
I said how does that make youfeel?
Oh good, I said I want to feellike that.
Why can't you appreciate melike that?

(49:53):
Oh, nobody told you to do that.
You did it on your own.
Oh God, what the.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
I get that.

Speaker 4 (49:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
So you said you've been divorced.
For what?
Six years now.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
Over six.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
Yeah, what's your longest relationship since
you've been divorced?
I haven't had one, no, no, butI mean, have you seen women here
and there?

Speaker 4 (50:14):
Well, I mean I would go out on dates and stuff like
that and I would say maybe acouple months.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
Okay, months, okay, like now.
Do you think?
Do you think that being in amarriage for so long and kind of
obviously learning the highsand lows from that, do you think
that's kind of set you up towhere now the next woman that
you, that you're going to bewith, do you think you have
higher expectation or higherstandards and maybe that's why

(50:48):
something's not sticking, orwhat do you?
What do you think why the inthe past over six years, you
only had a relationship last fora couple months maybe here
there well I get scared honestlyfor of commitment or just just
being heartbroken or broken upagain.

Speaker 4 (51:09):
Just, I feel like it's going to be the same thing
like when I was married, rightSure.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (51:15):
I've grown to, I love living by myself, doing my own
thing and honestly, I think Igot a little PTSD, ptsd.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
I get that.
Yeah, I mean 16 years is a longtime.
Well, I mean that's, it's notlike a cup of coffee right,
that's a long time right, right,I mean, yeah, I mean I, I, I
get that well, and then nowadaysthe dating scene garbage yeah,
garbage.
Now are you meeting women likethe old-fashioned way and going
to bars and stuff?

Speaker 4 (51:47):
Well.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
I don't drink, Well, okay.
Well then, how do you?
What's your strategy?
The gym, the gym grocery store.
Okay.

Speaker 4 (51:56):
A gas station.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
So have you not tried or are you not interested to do
the social networking?
No, no, you know why.

Speaker 4 (52:06):
I tried the dating app.
Yeah, the Facebook has a datingapp yeah, people aren't who
they say they are.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Oh, of course, yeah, right, yeah, yeah, you almost
it's crazy, because you almosthave to like vet a person.
If you meet someone online, youalmost have to vet them first
before and that's and I get that, and so now, what I've been
told by multiple women.

Speaker 4 (52:30):
And I'm old school, I'm old fashioned.
So if I go out on a date with awoman and I'm interested and I
want to see her again, I'm notgoing to go out on any other
dates because I'm going to focuson that.
Sure, not women.
They're like oh no, I'm gonnakeep going out on dates until me

(52:54):
and you told you that before.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Oh, right to my face really, and they're like you're.

Speaker 4 (52:59):
They tell me you're wrong.
Why would I waste my time?
Yeah, I uh, you know when Icould keep going out on dates?
And I'm like well, how muchtime are you gonna waste, like
if you tell me, hey, I like you,let's go out again?
Well, now I'm competing againstall these other guys that

(53:21):
you're continuing to go out with.
No, that's not no, cause I canget to know you and still go out
on other dates.
And I'm like no, no, becausewhat if you like me and then we
go out on multiple dates butyou're still dating?
yeah other men.
What if you find another maninteresting?

(53:43):
To oh, yeah, yeah, right yeahand they're like well, I'm not
gonna be committed until we havethat conversation, but isn't
that what you do, you, you?
You get to know each otherwithout any kind of interference
yeah, to see if you werecompatible.
Yeah, together, yeah I meanmaybe by the third date you

(54:05):
might know yeah and say, hey,you know what, this ain't gonna
work.
What did you really?
What did you miss out on?
that's true, that's true, soyou're right, I'm just like you
know what, and plus from all thethings that has happened to me,
I love hard like if I like you,I'm like I'm all in all in yeah

(54:27):
and then nothing wrong withthat, yeah, but at the end of
the day, may not, you might hurtyourself yeah right, you can't
blame nobody, true, right?
So now it's just like I go workout, I work my full-time job, I
go to work at the gym andthat's it.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
So, since you've had a lot of experiences with um in
the date, in the dating scene,you can't talk right now.
What, uh, what would you say isthe worst date you've been on
and and?
If you have?
If you have multiple ones, whatare like your top three?

Speaker 4 (55:02):
so my top, my top one is that's funny, you asked that
um so my, my buddy at work, webecame really good friends, uh,
and I told him hey, man, I'mgoing out on a date with this
chick I met on facebook and notthe app, just a chick on
facebook, so there was a lot ofred flags before we went out on

(55:27):
a date right off the start ohdude, she had a tattoo on her
neck.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
Oh boy, that said the trap yeah, I would say that's a
red flag, right, okay, allright, and then she had tattoos
on her hips of revolvers.

Speaker 4 (55:43):
I'm like what the fuck?

Speaker 3 (55:45):
but she was sexy I mean.
But I mean, don't get me wrong,those tattoo, like those
revolver tattoos I like womenwith tattoos, like that's kind
of hot.

Speaker 4 (55:55):
But I was ghetto before, yeah, but I'm in my 40s
well, and you've had kids.
You've raised kids, yeah shebeat me in the ghetto Right.
So, first of all, what wasweird?
She picked me up for the date.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
Okay.
Right, I've never been picked.
That's weird for you.

Speaker 4 (56:15):
Well, usually you either meet there or the guy
picks you up, yeah.
So I'm like, okay.
So she got this little fur coaton, dressed all sexy, so we go
to this place.
Another red flag.
She says, hey, do you mind ifwe just pay for our own food?

(56:35):
And I'm like why that's weird.

Speaker 3 (56:38):
Right off the get-go too, that's kind of weird and
I'm like why?

Speaker 4 (56:42):
well, every time I pay for a guy, I never talk to
him again, and so she she wasalready assuming she was gonna
pay for the date too well, yeahusually that's I guess that's
her mos to pay for the dateswell, because she asked me out,
oh okay, okay, I see so.
So she was like but she didn'twant to pay for it because, yeah

(57:02):
, every time she paid, the guyjust bailed on her and I'm
thinking in my head that's notbecause you paid.
I saw these fucking red flagsyeah, right, and then she kept
texting on her phone.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
Oh so not even engaging right and I'm and look,
I'm a straightforward person.

Speaker 4 (57:19):
Yeah, I speak my mind 100 and I told her is
everything okay?
Oh no, don't worry, baby, it'sbusiness, none but business.
I'm, like you, real ghetto realfucking ghetto, right yeah so
we went to some restaurant inholbert, some captain something.
It was like a mexicanrestaurant, but okay, seafood,

(57:39):
all right.
So my keys fell out of mypocket at the bar we leave, and
now we're in gary and she's like, hey, I gotta go to the atm,
hold my phone, but don't gothrough it just take it with you
.
Yeah, so the phone goes offwhile she's in there and I look
at it and she goes, oh, did youfind what you're looking for?

(57:59):
And I'm like I wasn't lookingfor anything.
She's like, yeah, right,whatever.
So she got money out of the ATM, she took me to some fucking
trap house oh no and bought abag of cocaine.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
Really.

Speaker 4 (58:13):
I swear to God.
Then she goes to drop me offand I go oh, fuck my keys.
So we call the restaurant andthey're like, yeah, we came out,
but we couldn't find you.
She's like, oh, babe, I'll takeyou back, open this bag.
I'm like, oh fuck, I'm anaccomplice now.

(58:34):
So I opened the bag and she juststarts snorting right in front
of me and then I start yawning.
She's like oh, you're tired,have one.
I said, nah, I'll just take anap.
I'm good I don't do that.
I'm not in my 20s, yeah.
So she takes me all the wayback.
We come back, she drops me off.
She's gonna go to a Christmasparty at the yacht club in

(59:00):
Chicago with her aunt.
She says pick me up at 10o'clock.
I don't want to be there long,I want to hang out with you.
So I'm like okay, so I'mtexting her.
Hey, I'm outside.
No response and I'm old man Igotta take a piss, so I go in
there.
She's on the dance floor jukinglike two dudes younger, pussy

(59:26):
all up on them.
I'm like, wow, oh, okay.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
Yeah, okay, party girl.

Speaker 4 (59:32):
So I go back to my car and I says no wonder you're
not asking me Having a good timeon the dance floor.
You didn't see me.
Where are you at, you're lying.
Then she comes out, drunk ashell.
She goes.
I was just dancing.
I said you don't dance withpeople like that.

(59:53):
I said, and then you got meoutside waiting.
I said I should have just leftyou here.
I said but I'm a gentleman,I'll give you a ride home.
And she's like oh my God, I'mso sorry, I'll suck your dick.
I'm like you sound like a fiend.
I was like nah, I'll just dropyou off.
She belongs to the streets, sheis the streets.

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
Right Damn, that's crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:00:16):
Yeah, that was the craziest date.
That's wild, and you knowwhat's fucked up.
My buddy tells me hey, when yougo out on this date, do me a
favor, ignore the red flags.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
Ignore the red flags.
What kind of shit is that?

Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
Well, because I'm the type that any little thing is a
red flag.
Oh, so he was kind of new withyour person.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Just chill out, give it a chance.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
Give it a chance right.
Give it a chance.

Speaker 4 (01:00:48):
And I told him.
I said, hey, should I ignorethe fact that she took me to buy
a bag of cocaine?
Oh, that's fucked up.
Yeah, the worst day ever.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
That's.
Yeah, that sounds pretty bad,Like, just almost like a roller
coaster of shit just going bad.

Speaker 4 (01:01:03):
Yeah, I don't date no more.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
You don't date anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
So you're just so right now.
You're just content with flyingsolo, I'm okay.
Yeah, yeah.
Is that something where you'rejust taking a break for now and
you're going to get back inthere?

Speaker 4 (01:01:23):
Well, I think I was looking too hard and finding all
the wrong shit.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:01:32):
Right, so I'm just gonna Let it come to me.
I see what you're saying,that's it.
I see what you're saying and,plus, all three of my daughters
Are pregnant right now.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
No, all three.
I knew the one was All three.
All three of them are yeah, areyou serious?
Yeah, okay, let's go down theline here.
So your oldest daughter is howold?

Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
so my oldest is 27, all right, and then?

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
then the next one is 27, okay, and then and the
little one is 22 so which one isgoing to be living with you?
The little one 22, so the otherdaughters do they.
Are they in a stablerelationship with a man?
They're gonna be good to go mymy first oldest.

Speaker 4 (01:02:16):
She's with a man.
They live together they alreadyhave a, a baby, okay, a little
girl.
And then my second oldest is mydaughter, my biological
daughter that I had with someoneelse.
Right, right and she's married,got her own shit.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
They both got good jobs.

Speaker 4 (01:02:36):
I don't worry about her.
Okay, the one I worry about isthe little one that's living
with you, right?
Well, she's in the process ofmoving in.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
And she's 22 years old.
Does she go to school oranything?
She doesn't do shit, nothing,nothing.
So who did she stay with?

Speaker 4 (01:02:52):
right now, she is staying with, uh, a friend of
hers that she was.
They were roommates, okay whenshe got pregnant and then she
moved out with this dude thatgot her pregnant and he lost his
job, so they got kicked out ofthe place they were at not even
two months after they moved in.
Really, he's a piece of shit.

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
And what the father right?
Yeah, and so is he doinganything to secure or for
anything?

Speaker 4 (01:03:21):
like that she.
She says, uh.
When he lost his job and theygot kicked out of the place they
were renting, he told heryou're not ready to be a head of
a household, and neither am I.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
The dude's in his 30s .
No, so he's in his 30s.
Yeah, my daughter's 22.
So then does he have any kidsof his own?

Speaker 4 (01:03:43):
Yeah, a 16 year old.
Yeah, that my daughter could bebest friends with.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
Where the hell did your daughter meet him at?

Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
From a friend of hers no shit.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
How long were they talking or together before she
got pregnant?
Maybe a?

Speaker 4 (01:04:01):
year.
Yeah, Maybe that's crazy dudeSee.
I never liked him becauseliving at home with his dad,
yeah, don't got a car, got a job.
And I told her does he paybills at his dad's?
No, is he saving money to fixhis car?
Oh, he can't.

(01:04:21):
He filed bankruptcy Red flaglike a motherfucker.
Yeah, right, right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:04:27):
And I used to tell my daughter, because she lived
with me before, and I told her.
I says, hey, you got to findsomeone that's going to motivate
you to want to do better.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:04:36):
I mean, if you find someone that doesn't give a fuck
about life, they're not goingto give a fuck if you do
anything with yourself.
So I think my daughter's justanybody that'll show her
attention and give her love.
She's like oh my god on it,yeah, yeah because I think the
divorce really affected her likethat, because she was just a

(01:04:57):
freshman in high school when wesplit up.
So where's?

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
her mom at.
Her mom is out in the wind.

Speaker 4 (01:05:04):
In the wind, her mom her mom's like doesn't give a
fuck about life, she's livingwith some dude behind, uh, the
sombrero in the harbor.
Oh really, you know where thesombrero?
Yeah, on broadway yeah, shebartends there and he's a
bouncer really.
Yeah.
And then they live in a studioapartment in the back of the

(01:05:25):
building and they pay $500 inrent, everything's included, and
her mom's like well, we're notgonna be here for long, you
don't even have a car herboyfriend doesn't even want to
work.
We went to my daughter's babyshower yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
I had to give them a ride with me so does it scare
you or make you nervous oranxious, that you may feel
obligated to really get yourhands dirty and be involved,
raising your grandchild and yourchild?

(01:06:02):
See what, considering all theobstacles they have going on I
will tell.

Speaker 4 (01:06:07):
Tell you this Everything that's happened to me
in my life has brought me tothis point, right, okay, so I
raised two kids that weren'tmine.
Sure, they never knew that.
They called me dad.
My son was one years old.
He looks at me like I'm hisbiological father.
He knows who his real father isyeah.

(01:06:27):
But he's always like you're mydad and that's just because of
everything I went through.

Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
Yeah that you gave him love.
I gave him what I wanted from aman.

Speaker 4 (01:06:38):
Absolutely Right.
So, no, I don't have a problemwith that because I didn't have
that.
So if that's all that I cangive them, I'll give it to them.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
100, absolutely right I guess just one of those
things where because obviouslyraising a baby that's, that's
tough she's still a baby.

Speaker 4 (01:07:03):
Yeah, she's 22 years old.
You know she thinks life isthis, that and the other.
And I try to tell her.
I said look, if I told you theshit I went through growing up,
you would have killed yourselfin fifth grade.
Jesus, yeah, that's rough man,I mean because nowadays come on
bro Nowadays, these kids arereal sensitive, oh, absolutely.
They don't know what life is.

(01:07:23):
Absolutely um they don't knowwhat going outside in the summer
all day playing, just hangingout.
Yeah, and we're to blame asparents because we didn't teach
our kids that, right, right andum, now that I try to tell her,
life isn't as easy as you think.

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
Nothing comes easy oh , life will bite you in the ass
real quick dude, I told my lifewill kick you down and leave you
there.

Speaker 4 (01:07:50):
You have to be mentally strong in order to
survive this world.
Think about it.
It's true what people say youdon't know what people have been
through in life.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
No, that's why I don't fuck with people.
No, Especially you got guys whowill pick a fight with anybody
just because they look at youwrong and like.
But you have no idea what thatperson's background is.
You have no idea if they'recarrying a gun knife.
You don't know if they're apsychotic.

Speaker 4 (01:08:18):
I heard a comedian say it the best he says you
don't know what a motherfuckeris going through right and you
pick on the wrong motherfucker,he's gonna take out that divorce
on you.
Yeah, Half that 401k she tookoh right Child support yeah.
The kids.
You don't know what kind ofrage people have.
No Like people look at me andthey're like, oh, you're a nice
guy, this and that, don't get ittwisted.

(01:08:38):
I could be that guy if I haveto, because I have been.
I mean, I've been shot.
No big deal.
No big deal deal, it happens.

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
shit happens right yeah, I mean we all know why
certain things in our liveshappen to us.

Speaker 4 (01:08:54):
Oh yeah, I agree, right, agree, yeah.
A lot of people are like, oh, Ican't believe that happened to
me.

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
You allowed that to happen like a lot of the if like
at least 99 percent shit ofhappens in your life, because
your choices are your actionsexactly absolutely obviously
there's freak accidents andthere's stuff that you can't
control yeah, right like someoneruns a red light and crushes
you and now you're paralyzed.
Well, that's obviously out ofyour control, right?

Speaker 4 (01:09:18):
but a lot of that was supposed to happen, you think
so I think so the way the worldworks, the way are you basing
that on a spiritual, religious,no background?

Speaker 3 (01:09:30):
no you just think, I just think that my opinion.

Speaker 4 (01:09:35):
Nothing happens by coincidence.
Okay, right, so everything thathappens to your life happens
for a reason but you have tofind out the reason why you use
the things that happen to yourlife for good or bad.
Right, I could be this guythat's like oh, I had this
horrible upbringing, feel badfor me.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
I'm a grown ass man yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:09:59):
I deal with it.
Nobody has to know.
You ask me.
I'm open about it.
You know I talk about it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
It's OK.

Speaker 4 (01:10:07):
I'm past that.
I've never went to counselingor therapy, but I deal with it
the way I do, the way, yeah,right, and I'm pretty sure I got
problems.
I'm pretty sure I got issues.

Speaker 3 (01:10:17):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
I think everybody has problems to a certain extent,
to a certain extent, but.

Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
I think everybody has skeletons in the closet.
Everybody has their secrets.

Speaker 4 (01:10:27):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
Everybody has their struggles.
Even people who are richmillionaires have everything.
They have their own problems atthat level.

Speaker 4 (01:10:39):
People with money have more problems than people
without money.

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
You think so Well money doesn't buy happiness like
they say right, it doesn't.

Speaker 4 (01:10:48):
You're not a millionaire and you have the
best life.
You have a wonderful wife,beautiful kids, a home, your job
stability right.
I mean, things happen, thingscome up, but it's not the end of
the world, right, I think richfolks, especially like the top
two percent people in this world, I think they get bored.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
They make all this money they they've, they've done
everything they wanted to doand they get bored.
That's how shit, like thefucking disgusting epstein
island shit happens people getbored.

Speaker 4 (01:11:23):
They're like, yeah, I'm a diddy, how do you get that
bored that you want to have sexwith a man?

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
dude, that's, that's, it's crazy, right, like because
at that point you're like well,shit, I've done everything,
I've bought everything.
Let me get into some crazy shitsomething good.
Oh, I know, do something good.
I always thought that if Ibecame famous or like a pro
athlete and I had millionsdollar, I at least in my opinion

(01:11:49):
I feel like I would be the onealways trying to give money out
to charity or always making anappearance somewhere, because
you hear those stories of youngkids who meet their celebrity or
their favorite athlete and likethat resonates with them, just
to meet someone that you, youknow, celebrated and and and a

(01:12:12):
big fan of and like, and I, youknow, see all the like keanu
reeves.
Have you seen, like videos andstuff like how nice keanu reeves
is real humble.
Oh so humble he's alwayswilling to take a picture of
somebody always willing to giveautographs.
A lot of yeah, like that's atype of mentality that I think

(01:12:33):
and I would hope that I had,that I would always be willing
to make an appearance, makesyeah, make dozens of people's
days by shaking their hand, givean autograph give them money
back back to what I told youbefore.

Speaker 4 (01:12:46):
It's because of your background.

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
Yeah, right.

Speaker 4 (01:12:49):
Yeah, it's because of who you were, how you were
raised, right?
Like if I was a millionairedude, my kids wouldn't have to
worry about anything.
Oh, of course.
Of course.
Nobody in my family, right?
I don't care who it was, I'mlike here, here's a million

(01:13:09):
dollars.
Care of yourself right keanureeves.
He came from a back background,you know he didn't, he didn't
have it, and now he's humble forsure.
I mean you see him on on the,on the subway, giving up his
seat to him.

Speaker 3 (01:13:16):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, yeah, and nobody even bothers.
That's a great guy, that's.
He's really one of the guysthat would.

Speaker 4 (01:13:20):
He's loved everything yeah, his kid, yeah that's
right his wife died, but theyweren't together.

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
But I mean still he's definitely like one of my.
I would love to just have a twominute conversation with the
man shake his hand, put him onthe podcast we'll see.
If it ever got that, I think hewould be the type that would
just do it out of the kindnessof his heart, just take the time

(01:13:48):
out of his day to do somethingyou think these guys going on,
joel rogan ain't getting paid?

Speaker 4 (01:13:53):
oh, they hell.
Yeah, they are yeah hell, yeah,they are.

Speaker 3 (01:13:55):
It's all about the money I agree, you know, I agree
with that.
Uh well, speaking of speakingof millionaires, doans, do you
know a woman named Sophie Rain?
I've heard that name, so I sawthis the other day.
It came out probably just a fewdays ago.

(01:14:18):
This woman reported let's seeif I can find it Because when I
heard, oh, here it is.
So she revealed she's made 40million, 43 million dollars just
this year.
This year's not even over, Imean, it's almost over right but
just in this year this womanhas made 43 million dollars just

(01:14:42):
on only fans and that'sprobably videos.
I don't know if she does pornor anything.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
Sex sells.

Speaker 3 (01:14:49):
Dude, but that's insane $43 million.
And there's some girls I'veseen on TikTok they show their
bank account.
In a month these women aremaking like 50K.

Speaker 4 (01:15:01):
My daughter's friend she used to live with.
She was on that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
OnlyFans.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
OnlyFans.

Speaker 4 (01:15:07):
Yeah, and let me tell you I ain't trying to judge
nobody but no, there's a typefor everyone.
This girl is overweight,doesn't dress oh yeah, for sure
and she's making two, threegrand a month oh well, you're
there.

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
You could easily just Take videos and pictures of
your feet, yes, and smash themin fucking cake, and men will
pay over the top for that money,my ex-wife used to work with a
lady that she had a website.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:15:36):
Where she would put pictures up of women's feet, and
she asked my wife to do it andmy wife did it and she paid her
and she kept.
I was like, no, you're notdoing that, no more, that's what
Just from that?

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
no more.

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
that's what just for walking on the beach.
Yeah, filming your feet, dudelike are as men.
Are we really that perverted?

Speaker 3 (01:15:53):
thirsty and perverted .

Speaker 4 (01:15:54):
Yes, for that, that's so let's make up a page for
just women to look at men.
You'll be born be broke.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
No views look at my beer belly.
Yeah right, no, it's nothappening?

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
it's not happening no , it's wild and I think about it
.
I know you have three daughters.
If you knew you one of yourdaughters was doing that, but
making great money, not 43million dollars.
But if you knew your daughterwas doing this and she was
making 300k for the year, wouldyou support it?

(01:16:27):
Would you?

Speaker 4 (01:16:28):
not acknowledge it, I would not support it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
You wouldn't support it.
No, you don't think.
Well, and why is that?
Just because of the material,because she's exposing herself.

Speaker 4 (01:16:37):
I'll be honest with you I've never been to a strip
club really never by choice orjust by choice came up just by
choice.
I've had friends.
Hey, let's go to the strip clubit's your birthday really,
because I think that'sdisrespectful okay and degrading
yeah for a woman to do thatright.
There's better ways of makingmoney than to flaunt your body

(01:17:00):
right yeah, there's guys thatare okay, chippendales or
strippers yeah that's the samething yeah, it's the same.

Speaker 3 (01:17:07):
You're selling your body for money.

Speaker 4 (01:17:11):
You should respect yourself more than that.
If my daughter did that, Iwould be like, hey, you know
what?
I can't tell you what to do.
I'm not gonna support you.
I don't want any of that money.
Sure, I'm happy for you.
Take care of yourself, but Idon't want to know nothing about
it okay yeah, I guess I respectthat.

Speaker 3 (01:17:27):
Yeah, I respect that yeah, because I I think about it
too, and then I I fool aroundwith, uh, my wife.
Sometimes I'm like, yeah, babe,all you gotta do is take some
pictures of your feet and we'llbe, we'll make an extra two,
three k, because it's just, it'sjust crazy, though, how how
that works and how people are,like there's men out there that

(01:17:49):
will pay you a woman like $500to get their fucking panties
mailed to you.

Speaker 4 (01:17:57):
That's wild too.
I listened to this radiostation in the morning and they
talk about first dates, yeah.
And the guy called the radiostation and say hey, I went out
with this woman, we had a reallygood time, but now she's not
responding, so they'll call herfor you.

Speaker 3 (01:18:12):
Oh, I think I've heard that too.

Speaker 4 (01:18:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So there was one Dude.
I was laughing my ass off.
So the guy goes on a date withthis woman and then she tells
him that there's a guy that paysher to touch herself while he's
looking at her through herwindow in her bedroom really

(01:18:35):
rubbing one out.
No shit, she says.
She makes thousands and theguy's like I don't want you to
do that, no more.
And she's like I'm not doinganything, he doesn't even touch
me, he doesn't even come in myhouse.
Yeah.
Like he'll call and be like heyare you available.
She'll be like, yeah, andshe'll be in her bedroom.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
But the fact that this guy knows where she lives
is kind of unsettling too.
It's one thing to post like todo like a live show like
FaceTime.

Speaker 4 (01:19:08):
Has he done that to other women without them knowing
?
Oh, I know, right, you see what?

Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
I'm saying if he's into that type of shit, yeah,
absolutely right, yeah, I, I waslistening to another uh podcast
and he had a guest on and likeshe was making money on the side
like a thousand, two thousanddollars just from, I think, one
or two guys just to pick up aphone and tell them that they're

(01:19:32):
pieces of shit like men love tobe degraded to, like you know,
they have dominatrix people that, like men, love to be to have
their nuts crushed and they'relike I I don't understand.
I don't understand where thosetype of fetishes come from.
Like I said, if you got afetish, that's your business.
It has nothing to do with me, Idon't care, you can have

(01:19:54):
whatever fetish you want.
It just amazes me that a manwill pay money and get turned on
by a woman, literally crushingtheir nuts, but it's only a man.
I know you never hear aboutwomen having these weird
fetishes, and if you do, I guesswe don't really see it as weird

(01:20:17):
right, because we're men we'repigs, I know right, we're like
oh really, you do like that, allright pop up the video right
you know?
yeah, I guess you're right.
I have never really heard ofanybody.
I mean you'll have women womendon't have fetishes.
They do things for money that,oh yeah I can see that right

(01:20:39):
because I I have heard of womenhaving like the whole stranger
fetish.
You know, like ever heard.

Speaker 4 (01:20:46):
Uh, if a woman likes their boyfriend to pretend
they're breaking into the house,and kind of like I I see that,
but I used to talk to a womanthat I met on facebook and she's
like man, you brought it, youbrought all this out of me.

Speaker 3 (01:21:04):
Yeah, and I've never told nobody, and all these
fantasies, that she, she, wantedme to act like I was arresting
her I'll see it just yeah, shewould have to have sex with me
and that's more like roleplaying maybe, rather than a
fetish and I'm like can I callyou a whore?

Speaker 4 (01:21:21):
she's like you better you better that's a given, yeah
, and I'm not even paying for it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:29):
Yeah, that that's wild yeah, but yeah, I can't.
I'm like I'm just thinkingabout all the videos and shit
I've watched and I can't reallythink of a woman saying, oh yeah
, this is my fetish, is superweird.
No, it's always the guys thathave that weird type of think
about it is a billion dollarindustry oh, ridiculous,

(01:21:50):
ridiculous, yeah, I mean, but,like you said, sex sells and
unfortunately, that's I don'tthink.
I don't think we'll ever getaway from that, until we get to
a point where a company couldmanufacture, manufacture a like
real-life sex doll and that sexdoll or AI robot could do

(01:22:14):
everything that a woman could do.

Speaker 4 (01:22:17):
Until we get to that, point, I think, but it's,
they're not AI.

Speaker 3 (01:22:20):
No, that's what I'm saying, but I'm but I'm saying
like, like, like, what's thatmovie with Arnold Schwarzenegger
?

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
Total Recall yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:22:30):
And he has that buddy who puts the VR on and he's got
that hologram but he could feeleverything.
Until we get to that point, sexand porn, that's going to
dominate this world.

Speaker 4 (01:22:46):
I would doubt that.
We have the technology.
We probably do yeah, and it'sgoing to happen, oh yeah.
Especially now, where VR is,especially when the government
figures out that they can makemoney from it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:57):
Oh yeah, think about it.

Speaker 4 (01:22:59):
Yeah, you're right.
You know, Illinois was the laststate to pass the law where you
can carry a gun legally werethey really yes?
I didn't realize that they werethe.

Speaker 3 (01:23:12):
They were the last I knew you had to jump through
fucking hoops to get your yeahwell to carry now.

Speaker 4 (01:23:19):
In illinois you got to take a class.
My buddy and his wife took aclass.

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
It was 250 a piece, an eight hour class isn't it
crazy that Illinois has like thestrictest gun policies and
stuff but yet we got the worstshootings in the Chicago area
alone they got one of thehighest crime rates.

Speaker 4 (01:23:41):
Yeah, it's wild obviously strict gun policies
ain't doing shit for all thelives they're getting lost by
the guy that, the guy thatkilled that cop, that young cop
yeah, he had an ankle monitor,he they let him out, that's yeah
, that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:23:59):
Yeah, and I I'm totally um what's the word I'm
looking for?
Convinced that anything that'sillegal or prohibited, if
somebody really wants something,that's not a being able to be
able to be sold, right they'regonna get it.

(01:24:20):
Well, if somebody wants a gunand they can't get it, you can't
own a gun in illinois.

Speaker 4 (01:24:24):
I mean you can now, yeah, yeah, I mean you could
before, but you had to go, likeyou said, of a foid car yeah it
was only for home protection butthe criminals got all the guns.

Speaker 3 (01:24:35):
That's what I'm saying like protect yourself
like drugs, guns or anythingthat's illegal.
If somebody wants something,they will find a way to get it
illegally right, and that's so.
It's like you could ban gunsaltogether, but people will find
a way to get them.

Speaker 4 (01:24:52):
This country is ass backwards, I think, so it's a
lot of shit but then you knowwhat.

Speaker 3 (01:24:56):
You say that and, like I said, I don't have all
the the knowledge.
But when people say that Ithink about, well, this
country's backwards, so let I'mgonna move to Europe or France,
but then France probably gottheir own fucked up shit and the
next country next to itprobably has their own fucked up

(01:25:17):
shit.
We're only contesting to whatwe know and that this is this
country.
If we go somewhere, let's saylet's move to Argentina for a
year I'm sure we're gonna findsome shit that we're like man,
argentina's fucked up, you knowit just sucks.

Speaker 4 (01:25:33):
I've met a guy at the gym.
He's from another country andhe says I said it's messed up
here he goes.
Man, it's messed up everywherehe goes.
I just came back from my homeand you're better off here,
really yeah wow well like yousaid, it's just like a job.
You're like, hey, I'm gonna goto this job.

(01:25:54):
Well, the grass isn't alwaysgreener somewhere else, right?
Oh, for sure because you havealready been at your job, say
five plus, so you already knowwhat you're dealing with, right
yeah so now you go somewhereelse and it's a whole different
fucking ball of game and you'redealing with this other bull.
It's not the same bullshit fromyour last job, yeah, but it's

(01:26:14):
still bullshit.
So I'd rather stay where I'm atand deal with the bullshit I'm
dealing with, then start allover.

Speaker 3 (01:26:22):
Sometimes the world is not fair.

Speaker 4 (01:26:25):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:26:25):
And it sucks and you got to just roll with the
punches.

Speaker 4 (01:26:30):
Have you ever heard that saying where people say, oh
God's only going to give youwhat you can handle.
That's bullshit.
I think that's bullshit.
That's bullshit.

Speaker 3 (01:26:36):
I think you Okay.
So I think you're handed a,you're dealt a certain hand and
it's up to you how you play thathand.

Speaker 4 (01:26:49):
Well, think about it.
They say that God gives youfree will if you believe in that
right.
So how does he give you?
He doesn't give you more thanyou can handle.
If he gives you free will,Everything that's happening to
you is because of you.
Yeah, you're right.
Right, or the things that havehappened to you like me, All the

(01:27:10):
stuff that happened to megrowing up.
I didn't choose that.

Speaker 3 (01:27:13):
Right, it happened.
But then some people will saywell, god was challenging,
testing you, god was testing you.

Speaker 4 (01:27:20):
Yeah, because look where you're at now.

Speaker 3 (01:27:21):
You're a better person for it.

Speaker 4 (01:27:23):
I don't like that I could have been a better person
without that happening.

Speaker 3 (01:27:35):
Yeah, I don't like that.
That's that's, and I get itbecause I'm not religious at all
, like I'm I guess I'm notnecessarily an atheist, but I'm
I'm just one of those people whoI don't think that religion
should um control the way youlive your life.
Yeah, I don't think it shouldbe the narrative right now.
Do I believe that, like thebible and like the ten
commandments, do I think it's afairly fair thing to live by?

(01:28:01):
of course, I think that's whatreligion was, was the main
purpose was, was so to give aperson guidelines to live a
better life, right, right not tobe scared into worshiping an
entity that you can't prove isreal, real or not right, and

(01:28:21):
that, oh, if you don't live lifeby, by the bible or the
whatever 100, 100% that you'regoing to not go to heaven, do
you?

Speaker 4 (01:28:31):
honestly think people could live to the T the way the
Bible wants you to live.
No, Everybody's going to go tohell.

Speaker 3 (01:28:41):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, but then you know, the
funny thing is is that you'llhave criminals or rapists or
murderers, that you'll havecriminals or rapists or
murderers, but and then they'retold by priests, if you repent
and take jesus as their lord andsavior you'll go, you will get
into heaven.

Speaker 4 (01:28:57):
What kind of shit is that?
You know, they're telling themthat because they believe in
that, because they have torepent after touching that
little boy.
It's fucked up.
It's fucked up.
My, my whole thing is like Iwas brought up in religion, real
real heavy right?
well, not heavy but I'm the sameway and then when you grow up,
you look at life and thingsdifferent and you make your own

(01:29:19):
judgments.
Yes, I believe my opinion,there's a higher being, whether
that be god, aliens, somethingelse, yeah, but I mean, that's
like my buddy used to tell me hegoes oh, you, you believe in
aliens.
Have you ever seen an alien?

Speaker 2 (01:29:38):
I said have you ever fucking met jesus?
Yeah, right, and he's like no.

Speaker 4 (01:29:41):
And I'm like, okay, it's the same shit, it is you
have faith in something you'venever actually physically seen,
right, right, that's the samething as believing in aliens.
I mean, as big as the galaxy is, yeah, and there's billions of
galaxies out there, it's neverending, never ending.

(01:30:02):
So you're telling me we're theonly life form.

Speaker 3 (01:30:04):
Yeah, I don't agree with that.
The only Big.

Speaker 4 (01:30:05):
Bang theory.
I don't even believe that thathappened.
Oh really, no, yeah, I don't.
I don't the only big bangtheory.

Speaker 3 (01:30:10):
I don't even believe that that happened.
Oh really, no, the big bang.
So what do you think ithappened?
We were created, so you thinkso.
Okay, so that goes back to yourhigher being.
You think the universe, planets, stars, insects, any living
organism was created on theirwell, not on their own, but
created and set into motion to.

Speaker 4 (01:30:33):
I wouldn't say everything, but I believe that
my theory is of the anunnaki.
Have you heard of the anunnaki?

Speaker 3 (01:30:41):
no, what is that?

Speaker 4 (01:30:42):
that's, uh, that's an alien race, supposedly oh
really they came here to mineminerals, gold from our planet.

Speaker 3 (01:30:49):
I have heard like what the whole egyptians, aliens
come in and giving well,there's a guy, there's a guy I
follow on facebook.

Speaker 4 (01:30:56):
I I don't know his name, he's a black guy and he
does a lot of research.
Man and the emerald tablets,like if you look them up and do
your research.

Speaker 3 (01:31:06):
He says that the Bible was copied from these
emerald tablets, right, Well,that's to say too, people have
made points where, like, how canseveral civilizations that are
on the other side of the planet,right, how can they have the
same like visuals, or like thesame scriptures, or the same

(01:31:29):
same stories, same stories likehow, like people question that
and like that's a good point,right, how can two civilizations
that were a hundred, let's say500 years apart, right, lived on
totally different continents?
How could they have the samestory?
and a lot of it points to thesky well, that's what they did.

(01:31:49):
Yeah, they I mean like the umwell before jesus christ, they
they use stars and stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:31:57):
Look at the uh.
Who were they called in mexico?

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
the um oh, the aztecs and the mayans yeah, the mayans
.

Speaker 4 (01:32:04):
Yeah, they had temples and they could read the
stars, and but.
But who taught them?

Speaker 3 (01:32:11):
that they also believed in gods.
They have gods and stuff.
But it's just right.
It's just like greek mythologyright.

Speaker 4 (01:32:18):
Greek mythology has their gods that represent the
sun, the earth I think theyweren't really gods.
They didn't know what they were?
Yeah, of course they came fromsomewhere else and they're like,
oh my god, that's a god, hey, Iknow, and you could go into a
whole rabbit hole, oh, dude,it's crazy.
There's so many conspiraciesabout that and it's just like

(01:32:38):
and then I also think like soyou you've seen.

Speaker 3 (01:32:41):
Have you seen the movie 23 with jim carrey?

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
no he's.

Speaker 3 (01:32:46):
It's basically like something happens to where the
number 23 consumes him.
He finds anything number wisethat has to do with his life,
always reverts back to number 23like his birthday is so, and so
he's like oh, if you add up themonth and date and divide by

(01:33:06):
whatever, by my month, you get23.
Our, our address adds up to 23,like he's finding all this
stuff that adds.
So he, he, he thinks there'ssome kind of conspiracy with his
life about this number 23, andmy point being is that I feel
like people could connect dotsabout anything to make them fit

(01:33:31):
their narrative, you know theysay that, oh, you got to go to
church to be spiritual and allthis.
You got to get baptized.

Speaker 4 (01:33:40):
That guy says that we are God.
We already have him in us.

Speaker 3 (01:33:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:33:46):
You know, we just got to figure out how to how to
ascend to that higher being yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:33:52):
You could start from california, go all the way to
north carolina and you'll you'lltalk to a hundred people and
you'll get 300 different ways oh, of course, worship god or have
the idea it's it's crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:34:07):
I do believe, though, that we're not the only ones
here I, I solely believe thattoo, I.

Speaker 3 (01:34:12):
I just think the odds just coming from a logical and
scientific point of view, theodds of that being true, that
we're the only living beings isastronomical some, some of our
ancestors said that the moonwasn't always there really I
didn't hear that one, that itwas brought there.

Speaker 4 (01:34:33):
Oh shit, really.
Yes, look, I'm gonna have tolook that one up.
I I have never heard thatconspiracy yeah yes, never heard
of that, yes, that the moonwasn't always there.
Think about it, think aboutthis.
Well, I think I have.

Speaker 3 (01:34:48):
I've heard that the moon maybe, was from like an
asteroid broken off.

Speaker 4 (01:34:54):
No, they say they say the moon was created by the big
bang.
Right, so everything was itthough.
So well, supposedly they sayeverything that was left over
from earth being created.
Oh, okay, it just.

Speaker 3 (01:35:06):
Oh, I guess I'm just ignorant to the whole, but
that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:35:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:35:12):
So but you're saying there's a theory out there that
the moon wasn't created fromthat.

Speaker 4 (01:35:18):
So, if you think about it, look up how far the
moon is.

Speaker 3 (01:35:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:35:23):
So if the moon was just off by one degree or
whatever, it would throw the itwould throw the whole axis
gravity, yeah, so how was itplaced in the perfect?

Speaker 3 (01:35:32):
exactly, yeah, but then how do you?
How would it have been placedthere if not by the big bang?

Speaker 4 (01:35:39):
so hold on I'm gonna, I'm holding on, just gonna blow
you away.
Okay, so they say it's not amoon, it's's a spaceship.

Speaker 3 (01:35:47):
No, yes, really.

Speaker 4 (01:35:49):
Yes, really yes, okay .
So look, I know.

Speaker 3 (01:35:53):
That's deep.
You're going to be like yo.

Speaker 4 (01:35:55):
I'm editing that out.
No, I'm keeping that in.
No, so they say the craters onthe moon are all the same depth.
Okay, so look up.
Okay, one of the missions thatNASA went to the Earth.
So there's a pod, itdisconnects and then they land

(01:36:15):
on the moon, right?

Speaker 3 (01:36:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:36:17):
Then that pod goes back up and connects, they get
out of it and go into the shipthat they're going to come back
to Earth on.
Right, you know what NASA didwhat and you can look this up.

(01:36:38):
They shot it at the moon, thelander, and they said the the
moon rang like a bell for hours.

Speaker 3 (01:36:41):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:36:41):
yes, look it up I'm gonna look it up, look it up,
you know what I'll text you, soyou, remember you got me on this
whole conspiracy, conspiracytheory thing.

Speaker 3 (01:36:49):
Now are you a flat earther?
Are you rounder?

Speaker 4 (01:36:53):
you're in between, I'm in between, really, I cannot
.

Speaker 3 (01:36:57):
I cannot phantom that the earth.
So think about it, okay, I justcan't wrap my head around it.

Speaker 4 (01:37:01):
I'm gonna give you something to think about.
So in the bible they say godsays theament.
You know what?
The firmament?

Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
is.

Speaker 4 (01:37:09):
I have no idea that it separates the waters above
from the waters below.

Speaker 3 (01:37:14):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:37:15):
So they say that earth is a closed.
You can't get off of earth, youcan't fly.

Speaker 3 (01:37:24):
Yeah, and that's what I'm saying.
A lot of people will quote thebible or like an old scripture,
but it's like people back thenthat told the stories they
couldn't describe it.

Speaker 4 (01:37:35):
They said that.
They said that uh it's allinterpretation.
What was it?
The disciples, yeah, wrote thebible yeah when they wrote the
bible, they had been dead for along time, so where did they get
this?

Speaker 3 (01:37:46):
it's, I see, and I always thought the bible was
just stories.

Speaker 4 (01:37:50):
It's like story story uh book you know what I call it
and put it together and call itthe bible, I call it a history
book yeah, that's it right, butbut then think about it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:02):
Okay, think about this way, right, think of a,
just a short story, any type ofshort story.

Speaker 4 (01:38:07):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:38:08):
If it's told among thousands of people over
hundreds of years, do you thinkthat a thousand person to tell
this story is going to beexactly the same story as that
first person?
No so it gets lost ininterpretation.

Speaker 4 (01:38:28):
Did you know that there's books left out of the
Bible on purpose?

Speaker 3 (01:38:32):
Why?
Why is it?

Speaker 4 (01:38:33):
Because they don't want you to know the truth.
Think about it.
God's Jesus mom had a book.
Why isn't it in the Bible?
What's his name?
Man, I can't think of it.
Now there's a guy.
He had a book and it talksabout aliens and other visitors.

(01:38:55):
You know who redid the wholeBible King James.

Speaker 3 (01:38:59):
Yeah, okay yeah, so look up King James Exactly and
that's another reason he couldhave left shit out, and added
stuff in.

Speaker 4 (01:39:06):
He left shit out and added these holidays.
If you look up the real meaningof Easter we're celebrating.
Oh yeah, it's a pagan holiday.

Speaker 2 (01:39:15):
Yeah, exactly Isn't.

Speaker 3 (01:39:17):
Halloween the same thing too, yes.
Yeah, it's like we celebratethese holidays.

Speaker 4 (01:39:21):
Thanksgiving isn't really a Thanksgiving.
No, it's not.
One of the presidentsofficially made it a holiday,
yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:39:27):
Look it up.
I have heard about the holidaysthat we're celebrating, these
totally wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:39:33):
Yeah, how do we know exactly what day jesus was born?

Speaker 3 (01:39:37):
I, I, I get that I understand that I understand, I
get that.
I did, and I talked aboutholidays with um danielle on the
first episode right that I'mI'm not into holidays whatsoever
, like the whole celebration,and I think I think it's
pointless and I think it's amoney grab and and like like I

(01:39:58):
said, thanksgiving.

Speaker 4 (01:40:00):
Why can't you give thanks every day?

Speaker 3 (01:40:02):
you're right.
Yeah, why do we gotta wait forone day?

Speaker 4 (01:40:04):
one day to give thanks for what?
For a whole year?

Speaker 3 (01:40:07):
yeah, that's why, like I said, I won't go too much
into it, because I I didn'ttalk about it right, right but
I'm, I'm with you, man, I'mtotally with you on that, and I
know.
So how long have you worked atthe gym?
Uh?
The ysa you've been there fortwo years, right, and I know
you've seen some crazy stuff.

(01:40:28):
Can you tell me, like, what'syour biggest?
Like ick or annoyance whenyou're either working out or
stuff you've seen just work inthe gym, just?

Speaker 4 (01:40:38):
give me a couple of them.
My biggest pet peeve is peoplenot wearing tennis shoes.

Speaker 3 (01:40:44):
Oh dude, that bothers me.
I see people in like flippers.
Slides.

Speaker 2 (01:40:48):
Crocs.

Speaker 3 (01:40:51):
Yes, that bothers me sandals, yes, really.
Or you know what my big thingis?
Pajama pants, yes, pajama pants.
You'll see a guy with slides onpajama pants, a white beater
and a fucking uh like a knittedhat, a knitted hat, like what
are you doing?

Speaker 4 (01:41:07):
my whole thing is I see people with a whole gym
outfit on and I'm like you hadall that energy to get dressed
and then at the end you werelike, I'm just going to put some
slides on oh, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah, no no.
Buy some shoes.
You ain't got to tie then.

Speaker 3 (01:41:24):
No, yeah, you're right.

Speaker 4 (01:41:25):
And I got into it with a kid over that.

Speaker 3 (01:41:28):
Really yes.
I mean, is it against the gymrules?

Speaker 4 (01:41:31):
It's a policy.
Is it a policy?

Speaker 3 (01:41:32):
about what, like open-toe shoes or slide shoes,
you have to wear tennis shoes.
Okay, all right.

Speaker 4 (01:41:38):
At first they were like Crocs were okay.

Speaker 3 (01:41:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:41:40):
Then they're like they're not okay.
No, they were like Crocs aren'tokay.
They're okay now, they're notokay now.
It's just like it's got to be atennis shoe.

Speaker 3 (01:41:49):
Yeah right, I've seen dudes come in there with dress
shoes on I like seeing the guysthat come in in blue jeans and
their work boots and you can'twork out in work boots.

Speaker 4 (01:42:02):
That's crazy I've seen it, though it happens, and
my whole thing is like when Iwork out in the afternoon, I'm
not working and the kids thatare working.
I'm just like you're going tosay something.

Speaker 3 (01:42:15):
So that's your pet peeve when you're more so
working.
So when you're working outyourself like what's a pet peeve
?
Or ick just among your fellowgym goers.

Speaker 4 (01:42:28):
While I'm working out .

Speaker 3 (01:42:31):
Yeah, just among your fellow gym goers while I'm
working out, yeah, like what'sannoys you or what just bothers
you.

Speaker 4 (01:42:34):
Just what bothers me is when there's like two or
three kids on the same machineoh my god, and all they want to
do is talk you're, I'm rightwith you.

Speaker 3 (01:42:43):
I did a tiktok a while ago about that and I was
like, because I talked about howpeople wear pajama pants and
shit like that, and there aresome people that comment well
they're, they're just trying tobe comfortable, blah, blah.
I'm like, dude, you're at thegym, you're not a sleepover, and
you're right, and it's.
It's more so the young kidsright that are that go to the

(01:43:04):
machine they don't have any gymetiquette yeah, I, yeah, I get
that and, and that really sucksduring the summer when all the
college kids are off school.
That's when I've noticed whereyou'll go to the Y and the gym
will be packed, but you'll havetwo to four people at the bench
at the cable machine.

Speaker 4 (01:43:21):
That's another policy at the gym.

Speaker 3 (01:43:23):
Well, you can't have more than two people at a
machine.

Speaker 4 (01:43:26):
Really Even like at the benches and the squad racks.
No, really.

Speaker 3 (01:43:31):
Well, because you're gonna take up too much time.

Speaker 4 (01:43:32):
Yeah so if there's four of you and you go first
yeah by the time your set comesup again, you're cold oh yeah, I
I well.

Speaker 3 (01:43:39):
That's why, when I go with um my wife, right danielle
and aaron.
Yeah, we, we try to get liketwo benches, that way we could
go out once because, like I'mready to go Like 90 seconds is
good enough for me.

Speaker 4 (01:43:52):
Once you get that pump, you want to keep it.
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:43:54):
Let's go, let's go, let's go.
So it's just so funny how yourtwo pet peeves are exactly mine,
and I think that goes for a lotof people, but of course you
get people who will defend them.

Speaker 4 (01:44:06):
Well, because those are the people that are serious
about working out.
And that's how I feel too, yeahit bothers us, because we go
there, because this is seriousto us.
This isn't a hobby where I'mwatching TV and I'm knitting a
sweater, I agree.
You know, Totally agree.

Speaker 3 (01:44:24):
Are you into shoes at all Like Nike, jordans, dunks
and anything like that?
No, you know what.
I was just scrolling the otherday and you know they're coming
out.
You know how Nike has theirhigh top and low top, dunks and
it's like the shoes that I wear,but those aren't, I don't know.
Have you noticed the shoes Iwear?

(01:44:45):
No I got the Nikes Like almostlike those, Right.
It's just they're Nikes butthey have the same layout.

Speaker 2 (01:44:53):
OK, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:44:54):
But they have a Wizard of Oz edition coming out
and take a look at.
Look out.
I wish I had a video because Iwould love to put this on the
screen.
Look how ugly these shoes are.
And these shoes currently havea price tag brand new, $1,500.
Look at that.

Speaker 2 (01:45:15):
What.

Speaker 3 (01:45:19):
That's a Wizard of Oz .
Nike low dunks Priced aboutwhat did I say?
$1,500.
That looks like somebody pukedon the shoe and just left it
there.

Speaker 4 (01:45:33):
But you know what?
Somebody will pay that.

Speaker 3 (01:45:36):
It'll be sold out before it gets released.

Speaker 4 (01:45:39):
Yeah, and then a couple years down the road, two,
three grand oh easily Easy, andI think that's why people do it
.

Speaker 3 (01:45:47):
They scoop them up and hope in a year or two.

Speaker 4 (01:45:50):
Well, you've never seen them videos where they're
like at a convention where theysell nothing but shoes.

Speaker 3 (01:45:57):
I've seen people like buy up their whole.

Speaker 4 (01:45:59):
Yeah, how much for the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (01:46:00):
Like 10 grand and stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:46:02):
I've seen one.
The guy wanted 120.

Speaker 3 (01:46:06):
That's crazy, dude.

Speaker 4 (01:46:07):
But these are shoes you're never going to wear.

Speaker 3 (01:46:09):
No, exactly, if I pay 120, that's crazy dude.

Speaker 4 (01:46:10):
but these are shoes you're never gonna wear.

Speaker 3 (01:46:11):
No, exactly, if I pay 1500 for a pair of shoes, I'm
never gonna wear them it'salmost like like nft you buy
something that you're not gonnause or you can't use.
I mean, you could wear shoes,but the point you're buying them
is not to wear them right andall you're doing is just hoping
that the value goes up, and thenyou just try to sell them.
Well, it's like the stock marketyeah, which I'm not knock

(01:46:31):
anyone, hey, make your money,but for the I just that shoe is
so ugly and I don't understandhow people like get into that
shit and but hey, I mean Istopped being a shoe guy I think
in my mid-20s, because in highschool I I would always want the
new jordans, the new nikes,always, like, always begging

(01:46:54):
them, and then even in my 20s, Iwould go spend 200 on a pair of
shoes that I would only wearduring the summer and, like now,
and then you're all scared toget them stuffed up, but no shit
, just last year.
I'm to the point where I ambuying sketchers you know where
I bought these shoe carnivaldude, I'm telling you like now I

(01:47:15):
I don't pay no more than like60 bucks for a pair of shoes,
because I just want somethingthat's comfortable bro, growing
up we didn't get shit.

Speaker 4 (01:47:25):
My mom would put a christmas tree.
Yeah, no gifts, really, onChristmas Day, nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:47:31):
Well, I mean yeah, I get that, I mean people, they
struggle we weren't poor.
She just didn't buy you shit,Bro.

Speaker 4 (01:47:40):
She told me and my sisters that my dad was only
paying $300 a month in childsupport.
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:47:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:47:52):
Come to find out he was paying 300 a kid.

Speaker 3 (01:47:53):
No shit, she was getting 900 a month right yeah
on food stamps, public housing,no rent and back then 900 is a
lot more than the dude worked atthe steel mill.

Speaker 4 (01:48:05):
I saw one of his check stubs one time.
It was like 12 1300 for a week,wow, and that motherfucker
didn't pay not one bill shit,that's.

Speaker 3 (01:48:15):
That's crazy, that's uh.
I'll end on this quick story.
Uh, do you like?
Are you into energy drinks,caffeine and stuff like that?
Have you?
Do you eat at uh, panera breadat all?
I've never had panera, you knowI've had it a couple times, but
it's never something like oh,let's go to panera.
But I saw the other day that um, panera bread actually has

(01:48:37):
three lawsuits uh related to.
They have like a chargedlemonade basically it's a
lemonade that has caffeine in itbut apparently there's three
lawsuits and one of them is dueto a florida man's death and two
others that uh alleged itcaused permanent cardiac

(01:48:59):
injuries.
They're saying that, uh,according to the food and drug
administration, healthy adultscan safely consume about 400
milligrams.
So, like what those energydrinks have, like what?
Between two to average abouttwo milligrams, right and okay,
you have maybe two in a day,you're, you're good.
There's some people out therethat drink like four cans a day

(01:49:21):
I worked with a guy that had aseizure from him yeah, well,
obviously there's.
There's history and statistics,that, but it's usually from
people overdoing itoverindulging.
This is just a person going inand buying, just one drink one
drink and I guess the thelawsuit, the alleged lawsuit has

(01:49:42):
been advertised as aplant-based and clean beverage
that contained as much caffeineas a restaurant's dark roast
coffee.
So that's, like I said, abouttwo, three hundred maybe at the
most, but at 390 milligrams ofcaffeine when served without ice
, a large charged lemonade hadmore caffeine than any size of

(01:50:06):
panera's dark roast coffee.
The court document said thecharged lemonade also had a
guarana guarana extract, which Iknow, like the monsters and
stuff that I drink, they havethat in too.
But it's another stimulant thatadds to the, to the caffeine
and as well as the equivalent ofnearly 30 teaspoons 30 fucking

(01:50:28):
teaspoons of sugar on top of allthat, on top of all that.
So you got 30 teaspoons of sugar.
You got that guarana extractthat's another stimulant and
then you have about shit like350 milligrams of caffeine all
in one drink and it's just just,it's wild that who came up with

(01:50:52):
, like?
Who comes up with this?

Speaker 4 (01:50:54):
shit, you think that was okay right, like I like.

Speaker 3 (01:50:57):
If anything, how about you regulate?
And just hey, we're only goingto serve this in a, in a small,
because you know how big, largethose containers get at any
restaurant I don't know how longyou've been into health and
working out, but back in the daythey had one.

Speaker 4 (01:51:11):
It was called uh jack 3d I?
Yes, I have heard of that theytook it off because people died
from taking too much.
Did you know that me and youcan make come up with a
pre-workout and it doesn't haveto be approved by the fda or
anything?

Speaker 3 (01:51:26):
is that why there's like the market is flooded with
pre-workouts?

Speaker 4 (01:51:29):
Yes, me and you could go right now in the kitchen and
be like, oh shit.

Speaker 2 (01:51:33):
I'm geeked.
We're going to sell this.

Speaker 3 (01:51:35):
So the pre-workout is not FDA approved or anything
like that?

Speaker 4 (01:51:39):
I did not know that.
No, why do you think it alwayssays dietary supplement?

Speaker 3 (01:51:43):
That's like loopholes you can get around about it
that.
That's why I thought that waskind of weird.
Where you like you go to, youscroll on tiktok and there's so
many of these pre-workoutscoming out, yeah dude, that's a,
but at the same time it'salmost like sex, like like sex
sells people were always itchingfor that I'm surprised that the

(01:52:05):
government hasn't tried to gettheir hands into some of that
money from the OnlyFans.
I know, try to regulate it.

Speaker 4 (01:52:13):
I mean, they still have to pay taxes on that.

Speaker 3 (01:52:15):
They have to pay taxes on it, because it's income
that you're getting.

Speaker 4 (01:52:20):
But if you don't report it?

Speaker 3 (01:52:22):
as an income, of course.

Speaker 4 (01:52:26):
I mean, when we get off here, I'll tell you
something that.
I heard about the IRS oh really, yeah, where there's really no
law that says you have to filetaxes.
Okay, we'll talk about that offscreen.
The IRS is worse than the mafia.

Speaker 3 (01:52:40):
I believe so.
Yes, I believe so.

Speaker 4 (01:52:42):
They're like fuck you , pay me?
Yeah, right, because we onlypay taxes on everything.

Speaker 3 (01:52:47):
Yeah, you're right, you ain't lying.
But on that note, we'll closeit out, alright?
Hey, I appreciate you.

Speaker 4 (01:52:52):
Coming on man.

Speaker 2 (01:52:53):
Anytime brother, it was awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:52:55):
Having you on For sure.

Speaker 3 (01:52:56):
I think it brings us A little bit closer For sure as
friends for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:53:00):
I mean now, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:53:01):
About my history yeah .

Speaker 4 (01:53:03):
Which you know.

Speaker 3 (01:53:04):
Is pretty fucked up.
I appreciate you.

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