Elizabeth Anne Walker: NLP, Receivership, and Building a Purpose-Driven Empire

Today, I had the absolute pleasure of interviewing one of my mentors and a true inspiration, Elizabeth Anne Walker. She is an incredible human being who has transformed the lives of thousands through her work in NLP, leadership, and personal empowerment.

In this powerful conversation, Elizabeth opens up about her extraordinary journey—from being in a hospital bed to building a multi-million-dollar business rooted in purpose and impact.

We explore:
✨ Her mission and vision to empower others
✨ How NLP became a cornerstone of her transformation
✨ Profound lessons in receivership and balancing giving with receiving
✨ The adversity she overcame to create a thriving, purpose-driven legacy
✨ What motivates her to keep leading and inspiring

This episode is a must-listen for anyone ready to embrace resilience, step into their power, and create meaningful change.

Tune in to hear Elizabeth’s story of courage, strength, and unstoppable vision—it’s truly one that will inspire you to take action in your own life!

Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_01 (00:00):
Welcome to this week's episode of Conversations
That Count.
I'm super excited to haveElizabeth Ann Walker join me
today.
And I'm excited that you're herebecause you've been such a
massive part of my journey aswell and the person I am today.
And you've been an influenceover the last few years in
various forms.

(00:21):
So, yeah, I'm excited thatyou're my very first guest.
So I'll let you do an intro ofwho you are.
as well because, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (00:32):
Yeah.
So I'm Elizabeth Ann Walker.
I'm Australia's leadingintegrated NLP trainer and I'm a
global leader in NLP training.
I've spoken on stages all aroundthe world with people like Tony
Robbins, Richard Branson, RobertKiyosaki, Elena Cardone.
I've mentored with lots and lotsof different people.

(00:53):
I've spoken on stages with BreneBrown, Lisa Nichols.
I've written over 20 books.
best-selling books now which isexciting and they're co-authored
so they're not just mine they'reco-authored all about mindset
and I'm super passionate aboutchanging the fabric of society
through individuals mindsets.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15):
My god I love that and I love you and that's yeah
very inspiring to hear as welland I'm sure we'll touch on that
as we go through as well sowelcome.
Where to even start because Ihave so many questions for you
and I know that we'll be able totalk for hours on end about
everything.
So maybe to start, if you justtell me a little bit about NLP.

(01:40):
Let's go there first.
High level, what's NLP?
What do you do?
And what is the training companythat you've created?

SPEAKER_00 (01:47):
Yeah, great.
So NLP itself stands for, in alot of people's worlds...
natural language processing, andI am definitely nothing to do
with computers.
So that is not what we'retalking about.
What we're talking about here isneuro-linguistic programming.
So neuro being the brain,linguistic being the words that
we use, and programming beingthe programs that are in our

(02:10):
software.
So if we consider the brain...
as our hardware, the way thatthe brain operates is our
software.
And so the programs are outdateda lot of the time because a lot
of people think that, you know,you just go through life and
your brain does what it'ssupposed to do.
And from an unconsciousperspective, like it keeps your
heart beating, it helps youbreathe, and it does things like

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programs.
And I'll explain that in easyterms.
When you drive your car, whenyou first learn to drive, you
have to think.
And so you will think– Hands onthe steering wheel, 10 and 2.
Turn it 10 degrees to the left.
Oh, remember the handbrake.
Remember the footbrake.
Remember the accelerator.
It's all very conscious.
But eventually you do it so muchthat you relegate it to the

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unconscious mind and it becomesa program.
Now that's a super usefulprogram so that we don't have to
think all the time while we'redriving.
However, there are otherprograms that are not so useful
to us.
Things like I'm not smartenough, I'm not good enough, I
can't do it, it'll never happenfor me.
Those kinds of programs areactually limiting and they limit

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our experience as humans.
The thing is, with your iPhone,you update it every time it says
to update it.
With your brain, you have to dothat as well.
And so neurolinguisticprogramming is like programming.
updating the software for yourbrain

SPEAKER_01 (03:27):
so where does the programming even start and you
mentioned you touched on alittle bit about the unconscious
mind there as well so how doesthat all work like and how does
that operate who we are today aswell

SPEAKER_00 (03:38):
yeah so our programming starts from a very
young age actually before we'reeven three and some people would
argue while we're in the womb soOur programs are set in place
between the ages of three andseven and they've been happening
before that.
So that's when they start toactually become a thing.

(03:58):
And you'll notice when littlekids go to school in their first
year of kindergarten, they saythings like, well, Mrs.
James said...
And that's them believing Mrs.
James instead of mummy now, forexample.
And that's a program.
So we have programs for allsorts of things.
We have a program for how webrush our teeth.
You don't think about how you'regoing to brush your teeth.
You just pick up the toothbrushand do it.

(04:21):
And if you've ever had anoperation on your hand and
you've had to pick up thetoothbrush with the other hand,
you'll realize how–uncomfortable it is because that
program is not in your brainyour program is in the brain to
use your dominant hand so theseprograms like I said can be
useful and they can also bedestructive and actually
problematic

SPEAKER_01 (04:39):
yeah

SPEAKER_00 (04:40):
and so people tend to go through life going oh well
that's just me I can't doanything about that the truth is
you can yeah that's like sayingyou've got an old Nokia 6110 and
you can't do anything about thatyeah

SPEAKER_01 (04:51):
how do you change that so like that That comment
there, like so many people use,like that's just the way I am or
that's just the way that theyare.
And they're accepting them forall of their behaviours and
thought process and stuff likethat.
So can you change that and howdo you actually change that?

SPEAKER_00 (05:10):
Yeah, well, this is where we come into things like
mindset, right?
And so everyone knows aboutfixed mindset and growth
mindset.
So fixed mindset is this is howI was born.
There's nothing I can do aboutit.

SPEAKER_01 (05:20):
And

SPEAKER_00 (05:21):
it's a very old-fashioned kind of belief
these days.
Most people who've had someconnection to personal
development or reading a book onpersonal development will know
that fixed mindset is not reallythe way.
We've learned a lot aboutneuroplasticity, so the ability
of the brain to change in thelast 50 years.
And the brain can change.

(05:43):
When I was born, there used tobe a school near us for children
who had brain injuries.

SPEAKER_01 (05:48):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 (05:48):
And they believed those children could never
change.
Now, children with the same kindof brain injuries are doing all
sorts of incredible things andactually becoming quite normal
because we know thatneuroplasticity exists.
So if we go from a fixedmindset, we then end up at
growth mindset.
So that's like, okay, cool.
This is what my circumstancewas.
This is how I was born.

(06:10):
And I know my brain can change.
So I'm going to explore whatit's like to grow.
Except that the problem withgrowth mindset is is the word
set is still in there.
And if you think about jelly,when a jelly sets, it becomes
something different.
It's no longer the yummycrystals that you can dip your
finger in and lick.
And it's no longer water.

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It's this wobbly stuff that somepeople like and some people
don't.
With growth mindset, it stillimplies there's a fixedness to
it.
So it's kind of like, yeah, Ican grow, but only this much.

SPEAKER_01 (06:43):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (06:43):
What I love is creative imaginative mind flow,
which is a system that Ideveloped, which is all about
how you can move past thesetness of your mind and move
into flow.
So this is where failure isactually the desired option.
If you do something so much andso well that you fail, then
you've hit a boundary and thatshows you where growth is

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available to you.
Whereas in growth mindset, youjust do enough to be different
from fixed.
In mind flow, you're pushing theboundaries of who you are and
what you can do.
In creative imaginative mindflow, we're looking for things
like you know more than you knowyou know.

SPEAKER_01 (07:21):
And

SPEAKER_00 (07:23):
yet you're just not accessing it because we know
that we only access about 10% ofour brain.

SPEAKER_01 (07:27):
Which is crazy.

SPEAKER_00 (07:27):
And 90% sits dormant.
So we want to move from fixedmindset, through growth mindset
and into creative imaginativemind flow.

SPEAKER_01 (07:36):
And so many people are scared of failure, right?
Like then there's all thosebeliefs that come up that like
what if I'm, yeah, fear offailure, fear of success, fear
of being seen, all that stuff.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's such a good thing becauseyou learn through the doing and
you learn through all of thoseexperiences as well.

SPEAKER_00 (07:52):
I don't know a successful entrepreneur

SPEAKER_01 (07:54):
that

SPEAKER_00 (07:56):
doesn't thrive in the failure.
And we do it quickly.
So we might fail and we recoverso quickly that most of the time
people don't notice.
And the failure is where youlearn.
That's where the growth

SPEAKER_01 (08:09):
is.
I'm this year, I'm like, I'mreally taking the model of like
treat life as an experiment andlearning through the failures
because that's where you learn,right?
Rather than kind of thinkingabout doing something and not
doing it, you just do it andthen yeah, get that feedback
along the way as well.

SPEAKER_00 (08:25):
And you learn a better way every time.

SPEAKER_01 (08:26):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (08:27):
So every time you learn a better way and then you
move faster through it.

SPEAKER_01 (08:30):
It's

SPEAKER_00 (08:31):
a refinement.
I've got this saying, you know,every level the same devil.
So the same challenges will comeup every time you hit that next
level of who you are and theease that comes is how quickly
you can move through that samechallenge because you have a
whole new set of resources andtools.

SPEAKER_01 (08:48):
So how did you get here?
Like what is– And I'm sure thatthere's going to be lots of
moments through your life thathas created you to be the person
that you are today.
But what, tell me a little bitabout who you are and what was
one of like your biggestcatalyst, moments for catalyst

(09:09):
for change?

SPEAKER_00 (09:11):
Yeah, sure.
Pretty

SPEAKER_01 (09:12):
big question, sorry.

SPEAKER_00 (09:13):
Yeah, I'm like, which story do you want?
Because there's about seven ofthem, right?
We all have such colourful livesthat there's places.
However, what really, the bigthing that happened to me was I
had a beautiful family.
I grew up very well looked afterby my mum and my dad together.

SPEAKER_01 (09:30):
We

SPEAKER_00 (09:31):
had, you know, we were upper middle class family.
Everything was great.
So I don't have the poor me

SPEAKER_01 (09:35):
story.

SPEAKER_00 (09:36):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And all I wanted from the time Iwas five years old was to get
married.
I was like, I had the dresspicked out, I had a scrapbook
all prepared for my wedding.
That was all I wanted.
Have a great, beautifulfairytale wedding, get married,
have children and, you know, bea beautiful wife.
And I was so obsessed with thatgoal that I forgot about being

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me on the way.

SPEAKER_01 (10:00):
And

SPEAKER_00 (10:01):
so I had set a goal when I was 12 that I would be
married when I was 21.
Now, I didn't get married when Iwas 21.
I got married when I was 22.
That ended up being 13 years inan abusive marriage where the
happy girl that I was dissolvedinto nothing and I became a

(10:21):
shell of myself.
And it was pretty horrific.
And, you know, anyone who's beenthrough that kind of stuff knows
how bad it can get.
And it was bad.
The thing is, is that afterthat, When I left, finally, and
that was dramatic.
I was rescued by the police in ahelicopter off an island in the
Whitsundays.
When I left, my goal became mychildren.

(10:42):
I was like, whatever I do, Ihave to maintain their life.
So they have to eat.
They have to go to school.
I have to work to make money.
And it all became supermasculine.
It was all about– it wastask-driven.
It was do this, do that, do thenext thing, get it done.
And I'm good at that.
I'm a really great worker.
And so– I just made it happen.

(11:05):
But then I started gettinglonely.
And I was like, oh, I reallywant to, you know, have a
partner in life.
Like I married someone so that Ihad a partner in life and a
partner to raise my children.
And I started on a dating site.
So it was actually a surgeonthat I used to work for because
I was a nurse.
And this surgeon that I workedfor said to me, you know,

(11:27):
there's this thing calledTinder.
You should go on it.
I'm like– I'd never been on anykind of site like that ever.
And I said, what do I do?
And he goes, just call me.
Call me on the weekend.
I'll help you set it up andwe'll do it.
So I called him.
He showed me what to do in termsof setting up my profile.
And in those days, Tinder wasnot just a hookup site.

(11:48):
It actually was a dating site.
And so he showed me what to doand he said, okay, you're right,
babe.
And I'm like, yep.
And he goes, okay, so just leaveyour phone sitting there
overnight and in the morning–You'll have a couple of messages
from a couple of guys.
And then you just talk to themlike normal.
I'm like, okay, that soundseasy.
So I put my phone down.

(12:08):
I woke up in the morning to 385messages.
And in those days, messages werefree, right?
So you just liked someone andthen you could message them
straight away.
And I was like, oh, my God.
Like maybe I have some valuehere.
Because I'd felt only valuableas a mother and a worker.
And I was like, this isexciting.
And so I started to get my mojoback a bit.

(12:31):
And I'd had this significantstuff in my profile, like I want
someone who's my age, they haveto be fun.
I'd done a lot of fun stuff inmy life.
I did flying trapeze for asport.
I'd been an Australian championin trampolining.
So I was pretty much a daredevilphysically and I wanted someone

(12:51):
exciting.
Anyway, I started dating allthese 40-year-old guys and they
were all fat and boring andugly.

SPEAKER_01 (12:56):
And

SPEAKER_00 (12:57):
I was like, wow, this is like, am I just really
judgmental or is this real?
And I thought,

SPEAKER_01 (13:04):
it hasn't got any better.

SPEAKER_00 (13:07):
And I thought, I don't know what to do.
So I thought, oh, well, I wentto a friend of mine.
So I'm 36 at this, no, 35 atthis time.
And I went to one of my friends21st because all my friends were
at least 10 years younger thanme because that was who was
involved in sport.
And so I went to her 21st and itwas hilarious because And I

(13:29):
ended up hooking up with this 18year old.
Yeah.
And I was like, what on earth?
Like, I don't know what's goingon, but it feels good.
So we're just going to go withthe feel good.
Cause I was having a year ofeverything I do has to feel
good.
Yeah.
And so that happened.
And I was like, Oh, maybethere's something in this.
Like maybe these young guys haveactually got more value than
what I've given them credit for.

(13:50):
Yeah.
And it turned out that I endedup dating an 18 year old when I
was 36 and we were together forfive years.

UNKNOWN (13:57):
Hmm.

SPEAKER_00 (13:58):
During that five years, it was great because I
was in charge.
I had the money.
I was the one that worked hard.
He was just having a great timewith this older woman, a cougar,
whatever you want to call it.
It was a beautiful relationshipand he taught me how to love
myself again.
What I didn't do though was dothat in the feminine.

(14:18):
I did that in that masculineenergy and So I met, I finally
went, okay, we've got to getserious about life.
He was like, I want to travelthe world.
You can't do that with the kids.
I'm like, okay, cool.
We had a beautiful breakup andit led me to being serious about
dating.
And I put on there all thethings that I really wanted.
I was like, if you can't handleme now, you're not going to
handle me later.
If you want me to pay for adate, I'm not interested.

(14:41):
I like things the old fashionedway.
If your date is going out fordinner, you're boring and you
know, we're not going to get on.
Like, I have baggage.
I'm happy to carry my own.
I expect you to carry yoursuntil we want to carry each
other's.

SPEAKER_01 (14:54):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (14:55):
So I was pretty direct.
Intentional with it.
And I was like, this is what Iwant.
So we went from there and I metSimon, who is now my husband.

SPEAKER_01 (15:03):
He's a beautiful man.

SPEAKER_00 (15:04):
He is so amazing.
Like, I didn't know therelationships could be that
good.

SPEAKER_01 (15:08):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (15:09):
And I met him.
And after about six months, Igot very, very ill.
And I couldn't understand why.
He would carry my bag at theairport.
That was weird for me.
He would come clothes shoppingfor me and if I tried something
on that was nice, by the time Igot out of the change room, he'd
already bought it.
There was all this stuffhappening that I didn't know how

(15:34):
to receive.
And I got really, really sickafter six months of being with
him.
So sick that I had 47 operationsin a three-year period and I
died clinically twice on thetable and was revived.
I died just walking through ahospital once.
I just had this attack and endedup with no blood pressure and

(15:54):
they revived me.
So I've been revived threetimes.
And after the third time youstart thinking maybe there's
something about life.
Like someone wants to keep mealive so there's some kind of
purpose that I'm supposed to bedoing that I'm not doing.
And I just felt awful because Iwas so sick and I had this man
who loved me so much.
And all I could do was lay inbed.

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Like he would have to shower me.
He'd have to feed me.
He'd have to carry me up anddown the stairs.
And I was like, I gave 13 yearsto this guy who never treated me
nicely.
And now I can't even give sixmonths to this person who's
perfect in my eyes.
And what do I do?
And I got to a point where I waslike, he's never going to leave
me.
So I'm just going to have todie.

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Like, I hate my life.
I'm in pain all the time.
I love him.
It's not fair on him.
Well, he's just going to end upcaring for me and then I'll die
anyway.
So may as well die now.
So I stopped eating and henoticed.
And it was at that point that mybest friend just happened to
ring with some tickets to TonyRobbins and said, look, there

(16:57):
are a thousand dollars.
I'd like you to come.
And I'm like, babe, I've beensick for three years.
We have no money.
Like, you know, we can't affordthe kids' school stuff.
We're maxed out three differentcredit cards.
I can't spend$1,000 on myself.
And Simon sat by my bed andcried and begged me to want to
live.
And he said, we're going to putthis on and you're going to do

(17:18):
this for yourself.
And I went along and I was in awheelchair.
I couldn't walk.
So one of the surgeries, they'dbotched a bit and they'd severed
my femoral nerve and femoralarteries.
So I couldn't walk.
So I turned up to Tony Robbinsin this wheelchair.
They pushed me in.
It's all dancing and singing andI'm like, this is just so dumb.
I'm in this wheelchair.

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I can't do anything.
And then it gets to the firewalknight and they push my
wheelchair out towards thefirewalk and I'm like, you guys
are nuts.
This thing has rubber wheels.
I don't know what you're doing.
But I can feel the heat of thefire and these people.
And then I get to the edge andthese two people stand me up and
I just walk across the fire.

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And I kept walking.
And I never went, like I leftthe wheelchair there.
I never went back in thewheelchair.
And I went back to my surgeonand they're like, this is a
miracle and this can't happen.
And I said, no, it's just amiracle and it is happening.
And they kept telling me how itcouldn't happen.
And I said, I'm not coming tosee you anymore.
I'm done.
I'm walking.
I like walking.
I'm not going to play this gamewith you, but I need to know

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what it was at Tony Robbins thatflip the switch like what it was
that made all the other nervesin my leg go hey we can do the
job of that femoral nerve we cantake over what it was that
allowed neuroplasticity tohappen and I found out it was
neurolinguistic programming andall that had happened that day
was some programs of I'm sick Ican't do it were disconnected

(18:46):
and I realized that I could doit and so I went off and I
studied neurolinguisticprogramming and I then realised
that actually I could teach itbetter than anyone who I'd
learnt from and so I startedteaching it and now I run a
multi-million dollar business inpersonal development largely
centred around neuro-linguistic

SPEAKER_01 (19:06):
programming.
I've heard that story a coupleof times and every time I think
of it, it just blows my mind.
I guess it's a testament to theperson that you are to
actually...
keep going and to go from rockbottom where potentially people

(19:29):
would have given up and taken adifferent path.
And you were like, do you knowwhat?
That's not for me.
And you're like, I'm just goingto go all in here and to now go
through that.
And I know that, you know, thatstory was over years to go
through that, to now being,having such an impact on other
people's lives.
Like that's just beautiful andso inspiring to, Absolutely.

(19:57):
Absolutely.
it's the stories that we tellourselves that we believe that
then creates the action and thebehavior that we do.

(20:18):
So can you talk through that alittle bit more?
Like how did you actually changeyour thought process going from,
I guess, I don't want to saynegative mindset, but

SPEAKER_00 (20:30):
in a way...
It was definitely negative.
I wanted to kill myself.

SPEAKER_01 (20:31):
Yeah.
So how did you actually changethat thought process?
Because I'm sure it was allinternal, right?
Like you weren't going aroundand going...
I'm this or that because, youknow, we don't verbalise it but
us even thinking about it isstill us telling ourselves.

SPEAKER_00 (20:47):
Yeah, so there's a thing in your brain called the
reticular activating system.
So what you're focused on iswhat you'll find.
And the easiest way todemonstrate this to people is if
you're wanting to buy a new carand it's a green Corolla, all of
a sudden you'll see greenCorollas everywhere on the road
and it's because your mind'slooking for it.

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So if you're depressed, forexample, you'll see depressing
things everywhere because yourmind's looking for it.
If you've got anxiety, you'llsee things that can make you
anxious everywhere because yourmind's looking for it.
And so we've got a consciousmind and an unconscious mind.
So the conscious mind is what wecan hear and the thoughts that

(21:31):
we're aware of.
But the unconscious mind is backthere running these programs and
filtering everything throughwhat we're focused on.
So say someone who's gotanxiety, they're going to be
looking to avoid situations thatmake them anxious.
But because they're looking toavoid them, they have to see
them before they can avoid themand therefore they become more

(21:53):
anxious.
So The real flip of the switchis how can you change your
focus?
And Tony Robbins talks aboutthis beautifully.
He calls it, it's called theTony Robbins triad.
So he looks at your state.
And if you imagine a triangle,your state's in the middle of
the triangle.
So the state is the way youfeel.
And the things that make up yourstate are focus, physiology and

(22:15):
meaning.
So what are you focused on?
What are you thinking about alot?
What are you looking at a lot?
What are you feeling a lot?
What is your physiology?
Because you can't do depressionif you're standing up with your
arms up in the air, right?
That doesn't look likedepression.
There's a physiology associatedwith things like depression.
Your shoulders are slumped, yourstomach's slumped, your legs are

(22:38):
kind of floppy.
And then the meaning.
So the meaning that you givethings.
And an example of that would beyour husband comes home 20
minutes late from work and youmight have a meaning of there
was traffic or you might have ameaning of he's having an
affair.
Both of them are probably nottrue.
He probably was 10 minutes lateand there was a little bit of
traffic or something like that.
But it's what you're focused onthat will determine your life.

(23:00):
Our thoughts create our realityand our thoughts are powerful
because we actually have thisability to transmute our
thoughts into energy andbehaviour which creates what's
happening around us.
So our focus of our thoughts andour visualisations of the future
are what determine what we have.

(23:20):
So...

SPEAKER_01 (23:22):
You mentioned when you were talking through your
story as well, like aroundmasculine and feminine and
surrender as well andreceivership.
And I love this topic so muchbecause...
you know, that's part of myjourney as well as actually
learning all about the energiesand tapping back into the

(23:44):
feminine as well.

SPEAKER_00 (23:45):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (23:46):
Can you talk through that in a little bit more
detail?
Like how did that play out inyour life and how do you think
that in that moment you, whatwas the lesson for you as well?
Like in that receivership?

SPEAKER_00 (23:58):
Oh, I was so, or I thought I was so in control of
my life.
Yeah.
Like I had everything scheduled.
I was in control of everything.
I was like, okay, if thishappens, then I'll do this.
If that happens, I'll do this,this and this.
Like I had a contingency planfor everything.
I would do recon missions tolike if I was going to drive
somewhere and I had to be thereon time, I would have driven

(24:19):
there the day before to makesure I'd get there on time.
I was a control freak.

SPEAKER_01 (24:23):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (24:24):
And that was great.
in terms of discipline, buthorrific in terms of meltdowns
because occasionally youcouldn't predict everything and
something completely left offield would happen and I
wouldn't have a plan for it andI'd have a complete meltdown and
it was completely ineffective.
And so I think that the way thatyou talk about things and the

(24:46):
way you plan in your mind, thatreceivership is all about
letting go of that.
It's letting go and allowingthings.
Now, it doesn't mean not havingdiscipline because the beauty of
the divine feminine or thedivine masculine energy is that
you can move between both freelyand easily, right?
And the divine masculinedefinitely has discipline.

(25:07):
So we want to be able to bedisciplined but also to be able
to soften so that we can receivesomething from someone who's
more masculine or a man if we'rea woman and actually enjoy
receiving that, right?
So I know that there's dayswhere I am working really,
really hard and I'm perhaps oncalls or doing stuff from 5.30

(25:28):
in the morning till 10 o'clockat night.
And my husband makes my mealsfor me on days like that.
And on days like that, that'sjust part of his job.
My job is to do the thing.
His job is to feed me and lookafter me.
And I sometimes forget to saythank you.
So I have a technique where whenI walk through the door of my

(25:49):
office back into the home and Ihave this, imagine all these
golden lights just dribblingdown on me.
And as I walk through that door,it's like, okay, I'm back and
I'm his wife and I'm in thefeminine.
I go out and I can have a cuddleand really feel it.
Whereas in the past, I wouldjust walk out and be like, I've

(26:10):
got to do this and I've got todo that and put the washing on.
And it was just the next thing.
So it's about how can you slowdown just in moments.
You don't have to slow down alot.
But just in moments to allowyour heart to be open to receive
what someone's doing for you.

SPEAKER_01 (26:24):
Yeah.
And I think especially asfemales as well, like it's so
easy for us to– Yeah, andworking females as well.
Like just in the doing, yep, thenext thing, just do, do, do.
And we then close off toreceiving that at the same time.
So I feel like that's been amassive unlearning for a lot of

(26:45):
females as well is actually it'sokay that you step outside of
the masculine and now you moveback into the feminine and
you're allowed to surrender andreceive and, yeah,

SPEAKER_00 (26:57):
be cared for.
Yeah, and a lot of the problemis there is a lot of women who
are doing the masculine thing,never doing the feminine thing,
but then there's equally womenwho do too much of the feminine
thing and never any of themasculine.
And the beauty is in thebalance.
And if we think about wealthywomen, we're looking at women

(27:18):
who are about to inherit wealthan incredible amount of wealth.
And I don't know if you've readany financial reports recently,
but there was a report writtenlast year from Data Collective
from 2019 all the way through to2024 that says that women in
Australia in particular areabout to inherit$3.2 trillion in

(27:39):
the biggest wealth transfer thathas ever happened in the history
of Australia.
As we have older men who areentrepreneurs dying and passing
wealth to their wives, we alsohave those older men dying and
passing wealth to their eldestdaughter because they happen to
just have a lot of eldestdaughters, right?
And as women, our ability toreceive that wealth, and you

(28:01):
might be sitting there listeningto this thinking, I'm not
getting any of that.
That's not actually true becausewomen, when they invest money,
invest it consciously, right?
They invest it in socialprojects.
They invest it in helping otherwomen to become better at what
they do.
And so when I look at that, Igo, right now, your ability to
receive and your ability to havediscipline and your ability to

(28:23):
have a great mindset is superimportant because we're about to
see a massive shift in the worldand particularly in Australia
where of the way that wealthhappens.
And let's keep it simple.
Wealth is not just money, by theway.
In this study it was.
However, wealth is lots ofdifferent things.
You define what wealth is foryou.
But we're about to see a bigshift in the way money works in

(28:44):
Australia based on the transferof wealth to women.
And I think that as women, beingable to receive that And looking
at us as a collective and going,oh, as a collective, there's
some exciting things happeningin the world of women right now.
We can use our mindset to accessthat.
And this is the thing I'm superpassionate about is how do you
access and prepare yourself toknow more about that?

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Because wealth in the hands ofwomen has never happened on a
large scale before.
And it's about to.

SPEAKER_01 (29:13):
So I know that this, that really like, especially the
women, um, Can you talk methrough your mission as well?
Because I feel like that leadsinto what it is that you're here
to do and what you're looking tocreate and talk through why.
Yeah.
Like maybe just talk through,yeah.

(29:34):
Yeah,

SPEAKER_00 (29:35):
so the mission that I have is that I want women to
be able to be women in theirfull expression.
And what that looks like ishelping men to become men and be
unafraid of actually standing intheir power like men are amazing
they are powerful people and yetthroughout women's lib in the

(29:57):
60s and 70s and continuing on weended up in a position where men
were no longer allowed to be menbut they weren't allowed to be
women either Women weren'treally allowed to be women, but
they weren't allowed to be meneither.
And we kind of ended up in thisplace where there's no real
definition of the differencebetween a man and a woman.

(30:18):
Yet physiologically, there's abig difference.
On a mental and hormonal scale,there's a big difference.
And so my mission is to allowmen to become men again, to have
women feel safe enough to allowmen to be men again, so that
they can actually createphenomenal partnerships and
raise children that feel safe.

UNKNOWN (30:37):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (30:38):
Because when that safety transfers through
generations, we end up with away bigger amount of wealth in
relationships, wealth incommunication, wealth in
finances, wealth in actually thenation and the globe.
Like this is a global missionwhere if men can become men, if
women can feel safe enough tolet men be men and then create

(30:58):
great families, we're going tohave an incredible future.

SPEAKER_01 (31:01):
So how do women create safety?
And how do men return back tobeing men?

SPEAKER_00 (31:09):
Yeah, it's fun, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 (31:10):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (31:10):
So women often try to outsource this.
And there's no way you can feelsafe as a woman other than in
your own body, right?
You in your body and your mindis where safety is created.
Looking to a man or anotherwoman or your parents or anyone
else to create safety for you isalways something that can be

(31:32):
taken away from you.
True safety is created righthere in your heart.
True safety is created inside ofself.
True safety is knowing that youknow your values and that you're
living according to them.
True safety is knowing that youknow your yeses and you know
your noes.
It's the ability to move forwardfearlessly towards what you want

(31:53):
with no self-doubt.
And all of that comes back tomindset.
In terms of how do men get to bereal men, well, I can give you a
classic example because I was onthe phone to someone this
morning who is a man who hasgiven up his business to go
travelling with his partner andhe feels like he has no purpose
right now.
So we have to get men back towhere they're purposeful and

(32:16):
that purpose doesn't necessarilyhave to be them in a business.
Like my husband's purpose is tosupport me in my business.
Yeah.
And he loves that purpose.
So it depends on what theirpurpose is, but we need to get
them back to having a purposeand being on purpose so that
they actually have time to wantto care for their women and want
to care for their children.

SPEAKER_01 (32:37):
Do you think that because through your rooms and
your training and also likethrough coaching I do and things
like that as well and thecompany, um, It's centered
mainly around women becausewomen are wanting to do the work

(32:59):
and they want to now take careof themselves as well.
Do you think that then leaves amassive gap for men also?
Or do you think that there'sbeen a shift there or there will
be more of a shift there forthen men to follow as well?

SPEAKER_00 (33:15):
Yeah, what's been really exciting in our business
is it has originally beenfeminine led, right?
So the women come first and thenthey go home with such changes
that their men go, I don't knowwhat that is, but I want some of
that.
Like they're happy, truehappiness.
yeah not the kind where it'sjust faking for a few hours yeah

(33:35):
like real they're actually happyand they're joyful and they've
changed and then the men comeand so we have this interesting
cycle that happens in our roomwhere we'll get a training full
of women and the next one willbe half men and the next one
will be all women and the nextone will be half men and what's
great is that the men that havecome into our rooms to do our
training so many of them havegone on to form fantastic

(33:57):
businesses that are impactingmen right and our business
impacts men and women howeverthere are many businesses that
just impact women or just impactmen and I'm really proud of the
fact that we've been able toimpact men on a level that they
are creating you knowworld-changing businesses of
their own we create a lot ofmillionaires from our rooms

(34:17):
where they where people just letgo of their problems and get
really on purpose with what theywant to do in the world and it's
super exciting when men come inand do that and I love it when
women do it

SPEAKER_01 (34:27):
yeah I love it it just warms my heart when I see
men doing work I just, I love itso much because I see so many
women doing it as well.
So that's great.
With, you mentioned purpose.
Do you think we're born withpurpose or do we create purpose
or how do we find it?

SPEAKER_00 (34:47):
Well, that's interesting.
So a lot of people talk aboutfinding your purpose.
You don't find it, you chooseit.
It's a choice.
And your purpose can be anythingyou want it to be.
I think people get obsessed withfinding their purpose as if
they're going to have thisdivine light go.

SPEAKER_01 (35:03):
It doesn't happen like

SPEAKER_00 (35:04):
that.
It does for some people.
Like some people get a dream inthe middle of the night and wake
up and they follow theirpassion.
Some people, you know, just havea little idea and keep following
the thread.
And I think People get obsesseda little bit with goals and I
love goals.
I think goal setting is superimportant.
However, there's this concept ofget married to the process and

(35:27):
divorce the result.
right if you want something getmarried to the process you do
the things to get there theresult might change along the
way because you might start likethe very first business I had I
was five years old I was pickingrose petals out of my mother's
garden mashing them out up withwater and going around to
people's houses saying do youwant to buy some perfume yeah

(35:48):
like that was my firstentrepreneurial business and I
would sell the perfume for 20cents like there were no
overheads I was using the petalsfrom my mom's garden I was using
the water like there was noproblem it was just I woke up
one day and went, I want moneyfor the shop.
How can I make money?
Oh, I can make perfume.
People like perfume.
I'll sell perfume.
And of course, everyone in thestreet bought it because how

(36:08):
cute is it to have this littlegirl come

SPEAKER_01 (36:11):
up

SPEAKER_00 (36:11):
with perfume, right?
And so I ended up with, I wasrich.
Like I could afford to buy 20eucalyptus lollies every time
they paid me.
And that was pretty cool.
So I think that when you startlike that, My intention was not
to be a perfumerer, if that'show you say that word.
My intention was just to keepsetting goals.

(36:33):
And I remember when I set thegoal to speak on a stage with
Tony Robbins, I was like, I'mgoing to be a speaker the same
as him.
We're going to share stagestogether.
It's going to be incredible.
The very first time I spoke withhim, afterwards, I thought I
would be so excited.
I thought I'd be so elated.
And afterwards, it was just kindof like, oh, well, I've done
that now.

SPEAKER_01 (36:54):
And

SPEAKER_00 (36:55):
the celebration was really of who I'd become to get
there, not of actually doing thething.
And so I think as we moveforward, this purpose thing,
it's about consistently choosingthe next step that you end up
living a life that you're reallyproud of.

SPEAKER_01 (37:13):
I love that so much because I like– and I've been
like that in the past where youget so– caught up in the goal
and the outcome and what it isthat you're looking to create.
But I've realized that It'sabout the journey.
Yes.
And it never ends because evenwhen you achieve that goal, you
don't go, okay, cool, that's it.
I don't have another goal now.

(37:34):
You then set the new goal andthen it's becoming that person
in order to be able to achieveit.
Yeah.
So yeah, I really love like thejourney of the becoming that is
the power.

SPEAKER_00 (37:44):
Yeah, it's beautiful.

SPEAKER_01 (37:44):
Yeah.
You mentioned that your room,you've had a lot of successful
people come out of that room.
Yeah.
What do you think are some ofthe qualities, that sets people
apart from either achievingtheir goals or being super
successful in business and whatthey're creating to someone that

(38:05):
doesn't create that?
What's the difference betweenmaking it or not?

SPEAKER_00 (38:10):
Yeah, action.
So the thing is we havethoughts, behaviour and action.
And in order to have success,whether it's success in a
feeling or success in a creationor success in building something
or success in wealth, It allinvolves action.
So you've got your thoughts,your feelings and your actions.

(38:30):
That's what creates change.
And all of that sits inside anenvironment.
So if we imagine that we've gotthis bubble that we live in,
that bubble is our environment.
So who are you hanging around?
What kinds of things do theybelieve and what are they
saying?
What kind of place are youliving in?
What do you do when you gooutdoors?

(38:51):
Is it nice?
Is it not nice?
What's your environment?
then you have your thoughts whatare they like are they congruent
with what you want or are theycompletely opposite you have
your feelings so if somethingthat you want makes you feel bad
you're probably not going to doit and you have your actions to
create change you actually needto change all four things so you

(39:13):
need to have a great environmentyou need to have great thoughts
great behaviors and greatactions now most people can
handle changing their thoughtsAlthough after a period of time,
if they don't get the results,they may revert back to their
other thoughts.
Most people are happy to changesome of their behaviours.
A lot of people are not aware ofhow to change their feelings and

(39:36):
most people do not want tochange their environment.
And so I think back to a timewhen I was doing, I was actually
teaching medicine at SydneyUniversity and I taught medicine
there for five years and Iworked with a fertility
specialist for a while.
And he used to say to women whowanted to have a baby, if you
really want to have a baby, moveout of Sydney.

(39:57):
Because I lived in Sydney at thetime.
And people would say, what?
And he'd ask people, you know,how much do you really want to
have a baby on a scale of 1 to10?
They're like, 10.
I really want a baby.
And he's like, great.
Move out of Sydney.
Because his belief was thatstress created challenges for
hormones, which createdchallenges for pregnancy.
And every single patient thatmoved out of Sydney got
pregnant.

(40:17):
Some of the ones that stayed inSydney got pregnant.
Now, a lot of people aren'twilling to take that action and
change their environment sosignificantly, even though they
desperately want the thing.
So how can you create so muchuncertainty around you that you
have to change instead of alwaystrying to create uncertainty

(40:39):
certainty and the reason thatpeople want to create certainty
is because they want safety andlike i said before safety is
here it's not in an environmentit's not with particular group
of people i can be anywhere inthe world and feel completely
safe because i feel safe in myown body

SPEAKER_01 (40:54):
yeah yeah i love that yeah it's such a powerful
one isn't it safety peace Andthe uncertainty and embrace
that.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (41:05):
It's the action.
Like if someone's willing totake action and keep taking
action towards the thing.
Now, granted, there are somepeople that do the same thing
over and over and expect adifferent result.
That's not going to help you.

SPEAKER_01 (41:17):
Isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 (41:17):
No.
Pretty sure that's thedefinition of insanity, right?
Yeah, 100%.
So the thing is, is how can youtake action?

SPEAKER_01 (41:26):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (41:27):
And evaluate your action and then take more
action.
Because I really believe, likethere were a lot of people who
started their entrepreneurialjourney at the same time as me.
And I'm successful and they'renot.
And the reason for that is Ikept going.
I kept taking the action.
Even when it was hard.
Even when people hated me.
Even when there was a whole bigcampaign on social media, you

(41:48):
know, to say that I was aterrible person and all this
stuff.
I just kept going.
And that's the difference.
It's the behavior.
It's the action.

SPEAKER_01 (41:56):
Yeah.
So if someone's listening rightnow and they're like, I'm not
living the life that I thought Iwas going to live and whether
it's they're in a position theydon't like or a relationship
that they're unhappy in or justdeep down they have this knowing
that this is not what I want.

(42:19):
What would be like three piecesof advice that you would give
them that they could implementnow?

SPEAKER_00 (42:26):
Yeah.
So number one, write down a listof everything you don't want and
just get it out of your head.
Number two, put a song that youlove on for two minutes and give
yourself two minutes to writeeverything that you want.

(42:46):
So write the things that youwant to buy, the way you want to
feel, the people who you wantaround you, the experiences you
want to have.
Spend two minutes, go like crazyand write everything you want.
And then circle the top fivethings that you want.
And then look back at the thingsyou don't want and notice what
you have to suddenly eliminateout of your life in order to get

(43:07):
what you do want.

SPEAKER_01 (43:10):
That can be hard sometimes, can't

SPEAKER_00 (43:12):
it?
It'll be quite confronting forsome people.
Once you realize what it is youdon't want, then it's a mindset
journey.
And that's when coming and doinga training like integrated NLP
and getting some coaching aroundthat is going to help you on
that mindset journey to make thechanges that you know are
congruent with who you are.

SPEAKER_01 (43:30):
Yeah, that's great advice there as well.
In a professional setting, whatrole do you think mindset and
self-awareness play?
can have in regards to overallperformance of an organisation,
organisation change, leadership,overall culture and wellbeing of

(43:53):
employees as well.

SPEAKER_00 (43:55):
Yeah, so this is interesting because generally
you would say that the person atthe top dictates the culture of
everything below.
However, with big corporateprofessional organisations,
you've got someone at the top ofevery division or the top of
every team.
And so we're really looking tothose people to be the leaders

(44:16):
in change.
And so if they're so busy thatthey don't have time to look at
themselves in the way thatthey're fostering a culture of
change or a culture of positivechange in their world, then
nothing's going to reallyhappen.
So in terms of where I see thisfitting is I think that every

(44:38):
person in a management position,definitely every person in a
C-suite of a corporate businessmust have a level of
understanding of mindset.
and the way that people changeand the language that people use
in their own minds because itallows you to motivate people.
And motivation is what keepspeople going.

(44:58):
And it's not about the rah-rah,build them up kind of
motivation.
It's not like the Wolf of WallStreet where they're singing the
song and banging their chest.
It's more about are youapproachable so that if they
have a challenge with beingmotivated, they can come and see
you.
And then do you have the rightwords to give to them?
It's more about if someone'slooking to– move up on that

(45:19):
corporate ladder are they giventhe right resources to be able
to do so or are they told earlyenough that actually it's not
possible for them so that theycan seek out a different path
and so the it always is top downbut it seems to largely these
days be generated from bottom upand what i mean by that is a lot
of new people in the workforcethey know about mindset because

(45:40):
it's part of common cultureWhereas a lot of the older
people in the organizations arenot as open to it.
And they say things like, well,it wasn't like that in my day.
I didn't do it like that.
I never had someone hold my handwhen I did it.
And those things are completelyunhelpful.
What would be helpful is ifeveryone could have access to
that kind of mindset trainingthat's available.

(46:02):
And by having that access andall learning at the same time,
it fosters a group mentality anda community mentality, which
allows everyone to move

SPEAKER_01 (46:10):
forward.
Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 (46:13):
So that can occur through things like corporate
training days.
It can come through team daysthat are facilitated by someone
who's well-versed in mindset.
It can come from, you know,creating programs for people who
are just starting out on thecorporate ladder who are looking
for, you know, progression andpromotion.
Like how are we nurturing thatnew talent and new talent

(46:35):
acquisition?
Like all of those things can...
And it has a

SPEAKER_01 (46:38):
ripple effect as well, right?
Like as soon as you startfocusing, like if you're an
individual focusing on yourmindset, it has that flow on
effect to all parts of your lifeand you spend most of your life
at work.
So yeah, it should be carried.

SPEAKER_00 (46:51):
It should be part of it.
Yeah, part of

SPEAKER_01 (46:53):
it as well.
What's one book or practice oridea that's transformed your
perspective recently?

SPEAKER_00 (47:01):
Recently?

SPEAKER_01 (47:03):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (47:06):
I'm just going to sound like a weirdo.
It was the recently word thatthrew me.
You can take out recently.
No, there's been many, manybooks that have transformed my
life and a recent one has beenlearning a lot about water

SPEAKER_01 (47:22):
and

SPEAKER_00 (47:25):
I'm not talking about the water you drink or
anything like that.
But just the movement of water,the persistence of water, the
way that water is able to moveand flow and change and adapt,
the way that water can becomedifferent things, like if you
think about the water cycle.
And so I've had a bit of anobsession with water lately and

(47:45):
learning about water.
And what that's changed for meis it's allowed me to connect to
the water within me.
And when things are changingrapidly now, the way I want or
rapidly the way I don't want.
It's like, what can I changewithin the molecular structure
of the water within me to allowme to flow through this?

SPEAKER_01 (48:02):
I have so many more questions on that too.
Do I even go

SPEAKER_00 (48:07):
there or not?
That's probably a whole otherpodcast.
If we go to the past before itbecame really

SPEAKER_01 (48:14):
weird.

SPEAKER_00 (48:15):
I was going to say recently.
It wasn't weird, it

SPEAKER_01 (48:17):
was perfect.

SPEAKER_00 (48:18):
If we go a little bit further back, I remember
reading a book called E Squaredby Pam Grout.
I've never heard of it.
It's an interesting book and itwas probably a combination of
mindset and spirituality and alittle bit on the manifestation
kind of side.
And she talked a lot about thereticular activating system.
Now, don't quote me on this.

(48:38):
I don't know if she actuallyused those words, but that was
what she was talking about inthe book.
And it had a series of tasksthat you could do where you
noticed how if you changed yourthoughts, the universe would
change.
Now, that's where I started withthat book.
And I was like, okay, this iscool.
So I can actually start thinkingabout this and then that's just

(48:58):
going to show up in my life.
And it does.
The thing is, is are you willingto take the action?
So I want to dissuade anyonefrom just going, oh, just
manifest it and think hard intheir brain.
Manifestation involves takingactions towards what you want.
So that was one book.
The other book that reallyimpacted my life, which is a
book from when I was very youngand I still have and I read it

(49:20):
yearly, is a book called TheMiracle Tree.
Now, I can't tell you who it'sby because it doesn't actually
have an author written in thebook.
It's a very old book that mygrandfather had from when he was
a boy.
So it just had a title, wasbound in material, and it didn't
say who wrote it.
And it's about a little treethat is in the forest, a pine

(49:40):
tree.
And it looks up at all the bigpine trees and it notices how
the big pine trees are soperfect.
And every year at Christmastime,they come to cut one tree down
to be displayed in the square ofthe city.
And this little Christmas treeis constantly looking up at the
big trees that get cut down,thinking they're perfect.
I'm never going to be that tree.

(50:02):
I'm never going to be the treethat everyone picks.
I'm never going to be the treethat is the one that's revered
by the community.
And then one night, there's onegrand tree that they never used
to cut down, but they used todecorate in the forest.
And one night this big stormcomes and the big tree, that's
the proudest tree in the forest,starts to fall and the little

(50:23):
tree is able to catch the bigtree.
And the little tree finallyrealises that it has a purpose
and its purpose was to prop thebig tree up to stop it dying.
And it just allows it, thenbecomes a bent tree, but it
allows it to keep living.
And I think that story inspiredme from when I was very young
that Whilst you can have yourown success, it may not look the

(50:45):
way that you thought it wouldlook, but what you impact in the
bigger picture is far morevaluable.

SPEAKER_01 (50:52):
I love that.
Yeah, that's beautiful, isn'tit?
Yeah.
What question were you hoping Iwould ask today that I haven't
asked?
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (51:04):
This is a great question.

SPEAKER_01 (51:07):
Because I have so many more questions and I know
that we could probably talk fordays on so many different
topics.

SPEAKER_00 (51:17):
I have no idea.
There are so many questions Ican answer.
So it's like, oh, what questionhave you not asked?
So I think like you probablyhaven't asked many opinion
questions and I quite likegiving opinions.
And I also, I think perhaps thequestion of, What's the one

(51:39):
thing that you're consistentlyhappy to change?
That's a great question.

SPEAKER_01 (51:48):
What's your answer?

SPEAKER_00 (51:48):
My mindset.

UNKNOWN (51:50):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (51:51):
There's always more to learn.
There's always more to grow.
There's another way of lookingat it.
There's always more.
Like a lot of people sit thereand they go, I can either choose
this or this.
There's always a third, fourthand fifth choice.
It's never just one or theother.
It's the expansion of thatmindset into those gray areas
that you weren't even aware of.
I love doing that regularly.

SPEAKER_01 (52:11):
So how do you, as someone that is as successful as
you are, how And I know thatyou've got so many projects on
the go, like, and you're therefor so many people.
Like, how do you continue withyour own growth and your own
journey as well and making surethat you're leaning into making
sure that you're growing andevolving as a person?

SPEAKER_00 (52:34):
Yeah, so I have a mentor, first of all, and...
That's a private arrangement, sono one knows who it is.
And I'm their mentor as well, soit's like a mentorship swap.
And I really enjoy that no oneknows who that is because they
are very, very different from meand they do completely different

(52:54):
stuff from me and it worksreally, really well.
So that's part of it.
I read a lot.
Like I really enjoy reading andso I read a lot.
So I'm constantly updatingmyself mainly on research.
So I'm looking at what is thenew stuff that's coming out.
Equally I'm following the moneyof the research to determine
whether it's valid or not valid.

(53:15):
I really love pushing into beinguncomfortable.
So I'll put myself in situationswhere it is– Like how the hell
are we going to do this?
Like, you know, so perhapsspending a lot of money on a
project and just going, here yougo, let's hope it works.

(53:37):
Having had some research into itand actually making sure that
it's something that I want to beinvolved in.
I enjoy starting new businesses.
I enjoy helping businessesbecome successful.
I enjoy helping businesses orpeople shut down businesses and
change trajectory, like sopivoting.
They're the kinds of things thatI do for fun and growth.

(53:58):
Do for fun?
Do you have time for fun?
Business acquisition is fun.
It helps you grow.
I think growing your ownbusiness is fun, like learning
how to manage people.
Like there's always anotherlevel of how can you manage
these people.

UNKNOWN (54:13):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (54:14):
What motivates you to keep going?
Like, I mean, you've reached acertain level of success now as
well.
And I always find that this isan interesting one, like
especially when people reach acertain position, like even in a
company as well.
Yeah.
Like they're just wireddifferently.
Yeah.
I believe.
And what keeps you going and,yeah, motivating you?

(54:36):
And is there– I know that wewere talking about goals, but is
there kind of like an end goalthat you're looking to achieve
or you're just like, yep, I'llkeep doing that?

SPEAKER_00 (54:43):
No, I know that this is an ongoing mission and that
it will not be completed in mylifetime.
So I'm well aware of thismission not having an end date,
which I really like because itmeans that I'm set.
So there's probably three thingsthat keep me going.
Number one, there's still pain,emotional and physical in the
world.
And while that exists, I haven'tfinished.

(55:06):
Number two...
is there's still people who feelunsuccessful in the world.
And so while that exists, I'mnot finished.
And number three is I have a10-month-old grandson who is
super cute.
Oh my God, he's beautiful.
And I want his world to beincredible.
And so while there's other stuffgoing on and he's there, I
haven't finished.

(55:27):
Yeah, he's beautiful.

SPEAKER_01 (55:30):
I love seeing you as a grandma as well.

UNKNOWN (55:33):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (55:33):
Cause I've seen you in so many different content.
Yeah.
A hundred percent.
And so I just love seeing thatside of you as well.
It's really beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 (55:40):
I never, like I loved my children a lot and it
was like, I always felt reallyemotionally connected to my
children, but little Flynn isthere's this thing that it's
just like, I haven't seen himfor a few days.
He's been on holidays.
And there's this piece of myheart that's like stretching and
like, come on, he comes homethis afternoon and it's

SPEAKER_01 (56:02):
like,

SPEAKER_00 (56:03):
oh.
And then I also equally don'twant to be that grandma that's
at the door waiting for them toget home going, hello.
So there's this real balance Iget to play in that, which is
great growth for me of wantingto be there all the time and
equally respecting that they'retheir own family and giving them
time.

SPEAKER_01 (56:20):
Yeah.
Oh, it's so sweet.
What's one key message you'dlike to leave our listeners with
today?

SPEAKER_00 (56:27):
Keep going.
Someone said to me at the timewhen I first left my ex-husband,
it was about a year afterwardsand I was crying saying, you
know, when is it going to getbetter?
When am I going to feeldifferently?
How is it ever going to change?
And they said to me, you know,it's probably not going to end.

(56:49):
but here's the advice I can giveyou in the beginning.
And I said, what?
Because I didn't reallyunderstand that at the time I
was emotional.
And he said, well, everything'sokay in the end.
And I went, well, when's theend?
And he goes, well, if it's notokay, it's not the end.
And I'm like, okay, cool.

(57:09):
Now, having said that, thatincredible man that was my
ex-husband, and it might seemstrange to say that, has gone on
– to become someone who'sactually come to my trainings,
has completely changed his life,has then gone and invested all
in on Tony Robbins and done allhis trainings and is now a
person who I'm happy to see aphoto yesterday of my grandson

(57:31):
with.
So change is possible foreverybody and change is possible
for all of the listeners and allyou have to do is keep going.

SPEAKER_01 (57:39):
Yeah, I love

SPEAKER_00 (57:40):
that.
It's not okay.
It's not the end.

SPEAKER_01 (57:43):
That's beautiful.
Thank you so much for coming onthe podcast.
I've absolutely loved ourconversation.
And I know that, yeah, I feellike we opened a lot of loops
there and probably touched on alot of topics as well.
So, yeah, I really appreciateyour time.
Yay.
Thank you.
Thanks, Gian.
Bye.
Bye.