March 3, 2025 • 45 mins
💥 Your personal power is your greatest asset—so why are you playing small? 💥
In this episode of Conversations That Count, I sit down with Tamara Meyer, founder of The Empire School, to unpack:
🔥 How to own who you are—unapologetically
🔥 The truth about personal branding (it’s not just about aesthetics)
🔥 How to step into your power and stop seeking external validation
🔥 Why confidence is your secret weapon for navigating change
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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
yay so excited about this week's episode of
conversations that count i amjoined by tamara which i'm super
excited about our chat
SPEAKER_03 (00:09):
welcome thank you so much for having me beautiful
girl yes it's an honor
SPEAKER_00 (00:15):
i love it um tamara your zone of genius is all
things personal brandauthenticity and stepping into
your personal power so i'm soexcited about where this
conversation is going because ifeel like it's so relevant in
all aspects of life not just inbusiness but in personal as well
um so yeah excited to see how wenavigate
SPEAKER_03 (00:38):
through this and i love that you brought this up
because i've recently juststarted working with someone in
marketing and just before westarted she got me to close my
eyes and she said you know whatdo you want people to know you
as when they leave the room whatdo you want people to say And
the thing that came to mestraight away was motivational
speaking.
(00:58):
And she's like, well, why aren'tyou doing more of that?
And I think a lot of the timeswhen it comes to building a
personal brand, we closeourselves off to really just
being this one identity or oneaspect of us or a version of us
when, you know, I believe, youknow, in personal branding, we
get to create the big picture,the vision, right?
(01:19):
Yeah.
I love that we're here talkingabout all things personal
branding, owning your power,your zone of genius and
authenticity.
SPEAKER_00 (01:26):
Let's go into it.
Let's start there.
How do you actually navigatethat?
Because personal branding, Ifeel like it's definitely a lot
of people are focusing more onthat as well.
And it's people connect withpeople, right?
It's not necessarily who youwork for, your job title,
anything like that.
It's like who you are as aperson.
So how do you...
(01:47):
How do you build personal brandor what does that even mean?
That's such a big question right
SPEAKER_03 (01:54):
there.
And I want to explain it from aplace of like not the strategy
but more around like a greatthing I love about Simon Sinek.
He's like people buy your why.
And a lot of people, when theystart their personal branding
journey, they focus on the look,the feel, but not the connection
and why they've built thisbeautiful brand, who they are as
a person and how that can becomesuch resonance and relatability.
(02:17):
And so how you begin with thepersonal brand, it's like, well,
who are you?
What do you love?
What sets your soul on fire?
And what are your attributes?
What's your voice?
How are you as a person?
And I think...
Where even when I went wrong,when I first started in the
online space as a fitness coach,I didn't know any of this
(02:39):
because I think my reason forwhat I started my business was
so different to what it is nowbecause it wasn't even true to
who I was.
You know, I saw one of my bestfriends, Ashley Freeman, start
competing and I was like, I wantto do that.
And so reflecting on my choicesover the time, whilst it was a
version of me and I loved that Istepped into fitness, now
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helping women in business, Ithink the core essence comes to
finding out who you are firstand foremost.
And a lot of people don't knowwho that is.
100%.
Or they think, how or who, whywill people listen to me?
You know, who am I to...
you know, build a personal brandor a lot of the things I get is
(03:21):
my story is not tragic.
My story is simple.
And I think that can also be asuperpower.
SPEAKER_00 (03:26):
Oh, absolutely.
And I feel like a lot of peoplebecome who they think that they
should be or need to be and notnecessarily who they are.
And that's where you get thatmassive disconnection of this
doesn't feel right or I'm notinspired or I'm not motivated by
my life.
(03:47):
And it's because you're notliving a life true to who you
are.
And it's not until you reallyask yourself those questions of
like, who am I and what yousaid?
Like, what's my why?
SPEAKER_03 (03:59):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (03:59):
And a lot of people don't realize that.
And that's a massivegeneralization, I know.
But it's such an importantquestion to start with.
UNKNOWN (04:08):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (04:08):
When I started business coaching, the first
thing I used to do with myclients was building their
foundation.
So how can you do the same whenit comes to your personal
branding?
Because it's the same with yourvalues, your mission and vision
and creating rules and decisionsbased on your values as a
business and as a brand, whichis you, right?
Yeah.
(04:28):
I believe in messy action.
I believe in being yourauthentic self.
I do believe also that you canbe polished, presentable, and
have a really luxe brand.
That's what we strive for.
We want to work with founders inbusiness and eventually step
into the corporate space when itcomes to what we do.
But everyone has to have areally great, solid foundation.
(04:48):
And I always say yourauthenticity is your first
following the breadcrumbs.
And if you don't know...
how to explore that.
Well, that's what we're here todo today.
Right.
You know, and I think I had tolearn the hard way.
And I think if anyone'slistening to, it's like when you
remove all the layers of who youneed to be or who you get to
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become, or if it's always beenin within yourself, it's like
looking back at that littlegirl.
And me as a little girl, I wasalways wanting to help people.
And it's so cliche and it's likeeveryone says that, but it's
like actually my story.
And I think it's because what Iwas experiencing behind the
scenes, you know, a verydysfunctional family.
My dad was a gambling addict.
I was born in Germany.
You know, the way I used toenvision my life as a little
(05:35):
girl was like I just wanted tohelp people believe in
themselves because behind thescenes, like it's all I had.
SPEAKER_02 (05:40):
And
SPEAKER_03 (05:42):
when you can reflect back on when you were younger,
like what was she or he doing?
What was her– what was she likeor what is she like now?
And we want to bring more ofthat to what we get to achieve.
I
SPEAKER_00 (05:54):
love that so much.
And when you're a child, you'reso carefree, right?
You– you can we're told thisstory and it's not really a
story but like you can beanything you want to be in the
world like what does your heartdesire and we're told that and
so we we do everything andanything that we possibly can
(06:14):
and as we get older or we gothrough different stages of life
it's like we forget that and soit's actually reconnecting with
like that as you said that innerchild and knowing what they
wanted at the time and how canyou bring that more into life
right now as well yeah and it's
SPEAKER_03 (06:32):
interesting because I think about what was my little
where where did things start tochange and shift and And it's
coming back to self-acceptanceand self-worth.
It's like you as your youngerversion always just wanted to be
loved, right?
So if we think aboutauthenticity, we lead from the
heart.
We lead of our true essence.
So coming back to that andfinding that self-acceptance to
(06:57):
build authenticity, it beginswith us.
So authenticity, as non-strategythis is, it's loving yourself
again and owning that.
And how do you do that?
Oh my God, I'm still working onthat.
But here's something I'mnavigating at the moment.
And it's something that I spokeabout at this recent live event
(07:18):
that I spoke at, at She MeansBusiness.
And every time I speak on stagenow, it's always a story.
It's never a script.
It's always like, what am Inavigating through?
And I always like to begin withthe truth, right?
And I've only realized that I'mstill navigating through fear of
judgment.
And I have to find forgivenessin myself with that.
And based on a story that Irealized and I share this with
(07:41):
people a lot.
You know, when I was 12, I washomeless, right?
And in that story that I share,which I've shared over the 10
years, there's one bit of thatstory that I forgot and this has
only recently come up.
You know, my mom was there.
My little brother was there.
We were trying to get into ourhome.
She opened the door.
She couldn't get in.
She calls my dad.
(08:01):
My dad says, you know, he'sobviously spent all the money.
There's no money for us to payfor rent.
So we got kicked out.
That was a big story I alwaysshared.
Only recently, when I was doingthe work on myself, which is
coming back to the love piece, Irealized there was one person
there that I forgot, and thatwas one of my best friends at
the time.
And when we were homeless, weran to our– the owner of that
(08:25):
house had a house down the road.
We ran there when I was a littlegirl at 12, me and my best
friend knocking on the doorsaying, please, please help me.
We really need to get into ourhouse.
We've been locked out.
And the wife and the two sonswalked out and they're like,
well, there's nothing we can do.
She told everyone.
And that came up recently.
(08:45):
And the way you start to loveyourself is, yes, the internal
work, but it's forgivingyourself.
Knowing you are loved with thegood and the bad, no money, with
money.
And there was this fear ofjudgment that I faced for so
long that if I wasn't a certainway, if I wasn't loved and seen,
(09:05):
that I wasn't lovable.
And that was a big part of mystory that I recently shared on
stage.
So, yeah, coming back to you,babe, it's forgiving you.
It's forgiving those parts ofus.
It's like it's the internal workthat's ongoing these days and
part of our story too, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (09:21):
Yeah.
And there's always like, as yousaid, the light and the dark.
It's actually acknowledging allof that and also accepting all
of that as well.
And also, you know, when itcomes to judgment, sometimes
it's the other person projectingtheir insecurities and you know
projecting their things onto youso it's also acknowledging like
(09:44):
well that's not about me Iaccept all of me regardless of
what you say
SPEAKER_02 (09:49):
yeah
SPEAKER_03 (09:49):
and
SPEAKER_00 (09:49):
that's again like that's also hard for like you
know we know that now but yeah
SPEAKER_03 (09:55):
well that's it like back then you know and I think
as well coming back to At thattime now, I really didn't really
have a choice to be a kid.
So I'm now relearning,unlearning and relearning, you
know, how I can be more me.
And it's kind of like allowingmyself to process these emotions
and allowing myself to get angryand sad, you know, and that's
(10:16):
all part of self-acceptance too.
Because, you know, back then itwas like, don't tell people what
you're going through.
You know, you know, no one's gotproblems.
Everyone's happy family.
So I had to grow up quitequickly and it's, again, like
part of what I love sharing onstage and talking about with
authenticity.
I want it to be the permissionslip for women.
SPEAKER_00 (10:34):
Oh, absolutely.
And people are going to resonatewith your story and people are
going to go, do you know what?
I'm not alone here.
And as you said, it's a massivepermission slip for people to
actually go, I've got things Ineed to work on as well or if
she can, I can.
That's
SPEAKER_03 (10:50):
exactly right.
SPEAKER_00 (10:51):
So, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (10:52):
And the fact that I'm navigating it still is, That
is what is important tounderstand.
And when we're looking at ourpersonal brand and showing up
online, the most beautiful pieceto anything, it's being
relatable.
And right now the market isshifting, as you might know,
right?
And it's less about theinfluencer mindset.
It's more about the impactfulperson, the personal brand that
(11:12):
has connection, the personalbrand that, you know, has
faults, is raw, is original, youknow, has light and shade,
positive and negative, bad andgood.
You know, that's what peoplewant to see more.
There's no polished picture.
highlight reel anymore.
SPEAKER_00 (11:27):
No.
And there's no perfect person.
No.
I was late today and I was
SPEAKER_03 (11:31):
like, I'm so fucking sorry.
You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_00 (11:34):
Yeah.
But there's no perfect person atall and I sometimes struggle
like showing up blind and whatdo I actually share because like
I think every day you'relearning something new, you're
always navigating something andthat's a part of personal growth
and personal evolution andespecially if you are creating
things and building things,you're naturally going to have
(11:56):
things pop up and I'm like whatdo I actually share and do
people care at the same timeand, you know, are they just
going to go, oh, here's yourshe's complaining again so I
totally I totally get that and Ithat's something I'm like
working through at the same timeyeah
SPEAKER_03 (12:12):
it's so funny because I used to talk about
everything when I was startingout and I was just like okay Tam
well the truth is no one caresunless it's got something to do
with them and that's it and thisis where you know strategy and
business is interesting becauseyou know part of you sharing is
so that they have some kind ofrelatability and it's basically
putting it back on them you knowyes we can be inspirational yes
(12:34):
we can be someone that peoplesay you've motivated me to go to
the gym okay cool but why andwhat's stopping you from working
with me and that's the gap thatwe want to use personal branding
in it's like having thatconnection relatability story
whether our rant resonateswhether there's a framework
around that but then like how dowe get that beautiful story and
(12:54):
this is where we teach you knowin our beautiful space in our in
our group you know every storyhas a a call to action or a way
for them to respond because ourgoal on social media, as we
know, is to engage and toconvert,
SPEAKER_00 (13:10):
you
SPEAKER_03 (13:11):
know.
Yeah,
SPEAKER_00 (13:12):
and I guess like that's such a learning in
itself, isn't it?
Like the whole navigation ofthat world.
SPEAKER_03 (13:18):
Yeah, and if you think about when you work, if we
look at it as a shop front, youknow, like going into a coffee
store, grabbing a coffee, youknow, they're selling every day.
And so our job as a businessowner, service provider, coach,
whatever you guys do, yourpersonal brand, you know, you're
there to change and shift theirperspective on life and also
(13:40):
offer the result too.
And so by doing that, you know,every day it's about sharing,
expressing, but it's alwaysmeaning to be relevant to them.
And there's so many frameworkswe teach.
Like if you had a rant...
And that's what's, you know, andfor you it's maybe like, is this
something I want to sharebecause I need to share or want
to share or if this is going tobe of service or impact?
(14:02):
I think there's so manyquestions.
Intention.
Yeah, ask ourselves around it.
I used to use it as a way ofexplaining.
I actually think sometimes Ireflect on that.
I think I was projecting andalso like processing at the same
time back before I even realisedwhat I was doing.
So I'm always very big on myclients where, you know, It
needs to be coming from a placeof, yes, intent, love, but have
(14:25):
you worked through it?
Because the embodiment piece isso important.
And I say this with absolutelove.
Like, fucking hell, there'speople out there not actually,
you know, being the embodimentof what they practice.
SPEAKER_00 (14:39):
I love that so much because, yeah, the embodiment
and– I'm triggered.
No, but let's talk through thatbecause, like, embodiment, like–
what is that at the same time umand yeah like we can I'm like
well the embodiment piece is sokey because then you're in flow
(15:02):
and you're teaching from theheart as well like you're coming
from the right place rather thansaying hey I'm doing this and I
can just be this for you and isthat true at the same time where
embodiment is such a key elementin all aspects of life, in
whatever it is that you dobecause it's saying that I've
done this, I've moved throughthis experience, I've taken the
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lessons, I've integrated that,now this is who I am.
SPEAKER_03 (15:26):
It's the integration.
And I think when I first steppedinto the transition of my
business, I never said do what Ido.
I said, hey, I'm doing this.
I'm going through this journey.
I'd love for you to follow me.
And, you know, if this connectswith you, if this is relatable
to you, just know you're notalone.
You know, I was going throughthe transition, you know, and I
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worked so hard to go from oneidentity of fitness into a
business owner, into a businessmentor now, like being a
speaker.
And I think where I believe Iwas able to build the authority
was because I owned where I wasat and not promoted myself, what
I wanted people to know me as.
I
SPEAKER_00 (16:08):
love that so much.
SPEAKER_03 (16:10):
But because I used to, you know, and not with ego,
not with realizing it.
Do you know what I mean?
Like in the fitness space, it'ssuch a common thing.
And I was like promoting, like Ihad this, you know, multimillion
dollar business and I did good,but it wasn't that.
And a lot of people aren'tactually, Being real
SPEAKER_02 (16:34):
to
SPEAKER_03 (16:35):
what they promote.
And I think more people now needto make a stand for the people
that are working hard and thosethat are not.
And I
SPEAKER_00 (16:43):
suppose you're going to get that in all industries,
right?
It's just then connecting backto the person as
SPEAKER_03 (16:48):
well.
And that's it.
And I just say that with lovebecause I want more people to
understand that the work thatyou do to build your personal
brand, it's constantly evolving.
It's constantly growing.
Lessons and growth.
It also gets to be anopportunity for you to also lean
into being more like the bestversion and that's the
embodiment piece.
And I own I'm not perfect.
I own that I have flaws.
I definitely have so much moreto learn, but I own that too.
SPEAKER_00 (17:12):
That's life, right?
Yes.
That's just navigating life atthe same time because we're the
same person.
Like, fuck, I wasn't even thesame person as I was last week.
Do you know what I mean?
Well, three weeks ago, babes.
But it's so true.
And, like, we hold on to, like,I'm this person today.
I need to be that person nextweek.
(17:32):
No, you're constantly changingand evolving and, you know.
Yeah, preach it, sister.
Yeah, I love that.
I agree so much.
Yeah.
You mentioned that you've gonethrough a few identity shifts
within that time.
The three weeks?
Yeah.
Oh, no, but like in terms oflike moving from fitness to
business.
I'm like, how's my handgestures?
I like it.
It's like a wave.
Yeah, exactly right.
The journey of life.
(17:55):
How do you navigate that?
And this is something that I'mreally thinking about a lot at
the moment because as Imentioned, I'm navigating a lot
at the moment.
And one thing I don't believethat we talk about often is that
while we're stepping into thatnew version of you, There's a
grief process that goes withthat as well.
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And that is the hardest part tomove through, I think, because
you know your why and you knowthe reasons you're doing things.
But for you to step into thatnew version, you have to let go
of so much.
And there's that grievingprocess.
SPEAKER_03 (18:34):
Yeah.
And I want to...
I kind of want to go throughwhat each of them was.
Everyone was a little bit moredifferent.
I think when I went from fitnessto life coaching, and life
coaching we still do now if youthink about it.
It's like part of coaches whohave studied NLP and know the
life coaching modalities.
But it felt like for that piece,when I went from fitness to life
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coaching, like I had made thisbig decision and then it was
like, holy fuck, what do I donow?
And it was also like a lot ofimposter syndrome that came up
and a lot of like who am I whenI'm not this?
Who am I when I don't have thepro athlete status?
Who am I when I don't havepeople at the fitness events
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coming up to me?
Who am I without thesponsorships?
And it was like a clean slate.
But it happened at a time whereI was grieving also like love
and I was grieving– Arelationship, I was grieving, so
many things.
So it was almost like I grievedso many parts of me, but it was
really beautiful because it wasthe most hardest time, that
first transition, because I waslearning more about myself.
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I was learning about, like, youknow, my past and the lenses of
life, you know, when you look atthe world from different lenses
of victim versus growth.
I was in victim mindset as afitness coach.
I wasn't aware of it, though.
So that in itself was a griefbecause I was like, fuck, Tam.
Whoa.
wake up call you absolute twatand also like how cool is it now
(20:08):
you get to work through this andit's that penny drop for me so
yeah it was really interestingfrom being single and you know
moving to a studio apartmentCOVID hit and then the fucking
ego death and and even thehealing journey I'll tell you a
quick story yeah I think this isa really great opportunity for
anyone as well when it comes tothe the grief I grieved around
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love I was seeing someone duringCOVID and I It was when I was
working on myself with lifecoaching and we were doing so
many different modalities oflike the letting go process.
There was this meditation welearnt which is called the
Ho'oponopono meditation.
I don't know if you know it.
Yeah, I love it.
So there was a point where inthat time this person I was
seeing left, wanted to focus onhimself, didn't see anything in
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me and it broke me.
But in my eyes I thought maybehe's just going through stuff
and whatnot.
And we did this meditation.
literally I got this stabbingpain in my eyes, headache.
I opened my eyes because I wascrying so much.
I had bloodshot eyes.
And it was like the universesaying, what do you not see?
SPEAKER_02 (21:11):
And
SPEAKER_03 (21:14):
I think this is just a big reminder that sometimes we
get so caught up in the grief inwhat we're not seeing in front
of us when really our path isright there, what's really
obvious.
And sometimes we create allthese stories.
It's like, you know what,sometimes you just need to let
go and trust.
And that was one of the biggestlet go for me.
Yeah, so powerful though, right?
I wish I had photos, babe.
(21:35):
I might be able to find them forthis podcast because I look like
a vampire.
SPEAKER_00 (21:39):
Yeah, wow.
It's
SPEAKER_03 (21:40):
fucked.
SPEAKER_00 (21:40):
Yeah.
But I think you touched on sucha great point there is that we
hold on to things so muchbecause we want it to be a
certain way and the whole pointof– it's a journey and it's the
letting go and surrendering intowhatever will be.
And I know that's a lot easiersaid than done sometimes because
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you want it to be a particularway and you want it to happen.
And, you know, like sometimesit, doesn't work out the way
it's meant to, but there'slessons in that.
SPEAKER_03 (22:14):
If you can picture like that grip you hold on to,
like it's like you're reallylike this.
And if you can just like slowlyjust like let your fingers just
relax, you know, that'sessentially like the identities
we hold on to.
And it's sometimes you just needto let go
SPEAKER_01 (22:29):
and
SPEAKER_03 (22:30):
the rest will follow.
So I encourage anyone listening,you know, and for yourself as
well, you know, we're so hard onourselves and it's okay to,
Change direction.
Change is such a big thing thatpeople freak out about.
SPEAKER_00 (22:44):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
And people will need, like theyneed to want to change.
That made no sense.
It
SPEAKER_03 (22:53):
did.
To me it did.
Oh, yeah.
People need to want to change.
SPEAKER_00 (22:56):
Yeah, exactly right.
For them to change.
Otherwise, like they'll justkeep doing the same thing.
Yeah.
So, yeah, I love it.
100%.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (23:05):
Change has been coming up for me a lot lately
too.
So we're about to evolve again.
I should be called thetransition.
Oh my God, tell me.
Yeah.
Well, it was interesting.
This recent navigation of fearof judgment and then the talk I
recently did, as I said, likeI'm now leaning into speaking on
stage where there are wanting towork with founders and helping
them navigate through how tospeak on stage, how to present,
(23:29):
how to build their personalbrand founders who want to
really nail their messaging, whoare not just here to play small,
but are wanting to be like thatnext level personal brand that
are speaking, you know, and, andthat's the direction we're now
going in.
Yeah.
It's just another layer of whatwe do because I've been on stage
since I was three.
And then I guess my life hasalways been a stage of
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involvement in different arenas.
So yeah, I find every time Iwork with women, it's kind of
what I was saying to you beforewith life coaching.
I was helping women in lifecoaching and then they would
always want to then work ontheir careers.
Now, women I work with in theircareers, they all want to speak.
Yeah.
On stage.
I was like, fuck, this is okay.
So we're like, yeah, exploringthat now.
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And it's pretty cool.
SPEAKER_00 (24:13):
Yeah.
It's like you follow the goldenthread.
That's what's coming up andyou're like, what's this?
SPEAKER_03 (24:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (24:18):
Just navigate that through that as well.
SPEAKER_03 (24:20):
That's it.
SPEAKER_00 (24:20):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (24:21):
Let it, like, Sometimes you just need someone
to tell you you're ready for it.
Like I wasn't ready to go, I'm amotivational speaker, I'm the
next Tamara Robbins untilsomeone said it and I was like,
okay, I need to own that.
SPEAKER_00 (24:33):
Yeah.
And I think as well like doingthat, it's all those other
skills that happen in thebackground as well.
It's like so many people and I'mgoing to be general here and
talk about not just businessowners as well is that they just
go on you know, little quietachievers, some people as well.
And it's like, okay, well, howdo you own your greatness and
(24:56):
how do you step into yourgreatness and how do you be seen
and heard as well?
And that sometimes it's hardbecause it takes like the
confidence to do so.
Facing your fears of judgment.
What if I fail?
What if I get rejected?
What if I say the wrong thing?
Who actually cares?
And so it's like doing all thethings in the background that
(25:17):
help you to get there, likedoing the podcast or showing up
on socials or talking on storiesor putting your hand up in a
meeting and actually talking.
Like these are all skills.
They might seem like minutethings at the time, but they're
all just building thatconfidence to then get up on
stage or whatever it is.
That's the basics, babe.
A
SPEAKER_03 (25:34):
hundred percent.
Yeah.
Month of Feb has been thehardest month for me with the
things I was working throughbehind the scenes.
But it's been the best becauseI'd be crying with my mentors,
like, why is this so hard?
And then all of a sudden, like,the tools that I've implemented
and integrated, you know, breathwork, central nervous system
regulation, stepping into myfeminine, which we spoke about
(25:56):
last time, you know, and owningmy story and knowing how that
can just, you know, expand.
It's the things that peopledon't see.
that can make the ripple effectin your business.
Even when you feel like showingup online is not getting that
straightaway return ofinvestment or gratification,
instant gratification, it'sactually why we have to keep
(26:18):
going and why we need to do thetouch points, the internal work,
implementing the skill set,integrating it all.
Yeah, it's all part of it.
Hey, babe.
SPEAKER_00 (26:28):
Oh, 100%.
How do you navigate?
What?
What I just went through?
I don't know.
I'm still learning, but Ifigured it out.
I'll let you know.
In the processing phase.
Yeah, but like, you know, you'regoing through so much change at
the moment and, you know, shiftin identity and change and
pivots and all of that.
(26:49):
How do you still show up and begrounded in moments of
uncertainty as well?
SPEAKER_03 (26:55):
Yeah, I think my whole life has been like a–
fuck, I need to createframeworks for this.
Honestly, I just– if I didn'thave the people in my life, the
mentors as well, the uncertaintypiece, I mean like every new
level that you're ascending,right, or another level, another
level, of course there's goingto be uncertainty.
And it's just like I think youjust get really good at leaning
(27:17):
into it Yeah.
Like, I think you, for me, like,I'm so, like, I have no idea
what this new direction is goingto look like with everything
else we're doing.
But you get so good at owningit.
SPEAKER_01 (27:29):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (27:30):
And even when you do feel that uncertainty and not
knowing, it's kind of like,well, okay.
UNKNOWN (27:35):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (27:35):
Rather than being afraid, it's like that
excitement piece, like I'm doingsomething new.
This is so cool.
Yeah, I love that.
Because that was what I was likeas a little girl.
Like I used to do backflips, notbe scared of falling on my head,
and then I fell on my head and Iwas so scared.
And so it's almost like we haveto see that every time we think
we're going to fall, we'reactually falling and taking that
(27:56):
big leap to the next big thing.
SPEAKER_00 (27:58):
And it's worth it, right?
You're
SPEAKER_03 (28:00):
doing it for a reason.
SPEAKER_00 (28:01):
There's a reason like it popped up.
SPEAKER_03 (28:03):
Well, it's funny because more opportunities are
coming now that I've owned it.
So it's kind of like it's theacceptance, it's the surrender,
and then you kind of have todeclare it and then take
actionable steps towards it.
So now I'm having conversationswith people about this venture
and people are like, fuck, thisis awesome.
How do we take part of it?
What is the, you know, what doyou do?
What's the process?
And now we're just putting itall in place.
SPEAKER_00 (28:25):
I love that when you say yes and it's like everything
else works.
just falls into place, right?
Yeah.
And you've been doing it too.
SPEAKER_01 (28:33):
Oh, 100%.
You've been doing it too.
SPEAKER_00 (28:35):
Like I left, I think I told you, left my corporate
job, like career that I builtfor 13 years, stepping full-time
into business and what I'mcreating at the moment.
As soon as I left, and that wasonly...
the end of December, soliterally two months ago, the
amount of opportunities thathave popped up since then.
I've created this podcast.
(28:57):
I've got really excitingbusiness ventures that are
coming up.
Conversations are different.
People are reaching out.
There's so much more and it'sbecause sometimes you have to
let go sometimes Step into theuncertainty.
Face all of that.
Because it was hard, like, toactually make that decision.
Step into that.
Own it.
And then just go, do you knowwhat?
(29:17):
This is the direction.
And now things will justnaturally unfold and they have
been.
And there's hard parts that gowith all of that at the same
time.
SPEAKER_03 (29:25):
Yes.
And I love that because it's sayyes, figure it out.
SPEAKER_00 (29:29):
100%.
Like, is it?
Yeah.
Because it's so, like– by youoverthinking about it, you're
then creating inaction.
And so you're just sitting onthe fence and you're just kind
of going through life and like,oh, should I, should I not just
jump in and figure it out as yougo?
It's my motto.
Yeah, winging it.
SPEAKER_03 (29:50):
And I say don't wing your strategy, but sometimes
you're the strategy and that'swhen you look at everything else
from different lenses and yourown intuitions, your superpower.
Yes, you can have frameworks andthe structure around it all, but
like...
Look at you where you are now.
Yeah.
Did you...
Have you done 20 episodes yet?
Was it 20?
SPEAKER_00 (30:06):
No, I...
So...
Just to give the listeners alittle bit of context.
So Tamara and I did a podcastinterview about a month ago.
And it did go according to plan.
In perfect action.
And so now we're re-recordingthis episode.
Do you know that this happenedwith me and Shani?
It must be me.
I don't know.
Do you know what?
I just roll with it.
(30:26):
Like, you know, everything ishappening for you.
So there's a reason that thisconversation is popping up,
which is totally different tothe first one as well.
Yeah.
So, yeah, I have a goal withthis podcast by the end of the
year.
I think I want to release– Ithink we said– One a week?
Yeah, one a week.
So I think this is– I'm sevenweeks in now, something like
that.
(30:46):
That's awesome.
And the feedback has been sogreat.
Like I'm loving it and there'speople in my network listening.
I'm like, I didn't even knowthat you were there.
Yeah, that's so cool.
Do you know what I mean?
And I just
SPEAKER_03 (30:56):
love that.
Yeah.
Honestly, it's best– best thingI did when I was transitioning
was start a podcast it's likethat's how you want the hack for
certainty start a podcast yeahthat's that's bringing you in
like people that see you andyour your your areas of
expertise honey I know
SPEAKER_00 (31:13):
it's so great um in terms of like so you're you're
navigating all of this at themoment is your so what's Where
do you want to take yourbusiness?
Have we even spoken about yourbusiness actually besides like
the new side of it?
I don't think so.
We've gone through so many
SPEAKER_03 (31:30):
things.
Yes.
Okay.
So what I have now at themoment, like obviously I consult
with businesses butpredominantly I have two offers.
It's Queendom Mastermind, youknow, where a lot of women come
to me.
They build their businesses,their personal brand, their
authority, their offers and in ayear with me, they make multi
six figures and we go from beingunknown to building a legacy,
(31:52):
you know, and that's around howyou shop online, authentically
selling through storytelling andscaling your beautiful personal
brand,
SPEAKER_02 (32:00):
you
SPEAKER_03 (32:00):
know, And then Empire is our beautiful school,
our Empire school.
So we teach, you know, peoplewhen it comes to either
startups, people who are goingfrom one identity to another,
transitioning from nine to fiveto building an online business.
You know, we help them hitconsistent 20K months in that
six months, you know.
And that's all the samemessaging, authenticity, you
(32:21):
know, building a product, youknow, starting a business that's
going to work around yourlifestyle, not a prison, you
know.
It's the foundation of it all,of the empire.
And then, of course, speakingnow and, yeah, like working with
founders when it comes to, youknow, just like you can be a
personal brand but what can thatdo for you now?
(32:42):
Yeah.
Like that's one of my zone ofgeniuses with people.
It's like, okay, you're– like wecan work with you and then we
can get you in front of theright people that they're going
to want to hear you and yourstory and what you do.
So that's kind of what we're–Yeah, I love that.
Yeah.
I can't tell you the name justyet, but when it does come.
Yeah, I know.
We work fast.
Yes.
(33:03):
Great.
But I don't know if I've saidthis because another big part of
this whole venture too, youknow, when I was eight, it's
kind of how this is all kind ofunfolded and it's putting the
pieces back in place, you know.
Like my third language wasEnglish.
I don't know if you know that.
So I spoke German, Portuguese,and then when we moved to
Australia when I was four,English was my third language.
(33:25):
So my beautiful mum was teachingme English.
She couldn't speak English.
My dad was not around.
So at eight, the teacher said tome, you know, Tamara's got lots
of potential, but she needs tolearn how to read, write,
fucking speak.
And my beautiful mum at thetime, we didn't have much money,
but she– it was a drama schoolacross the road, and I went
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there, and that's how I startedto read English.
write, speak, memorise poems.
I would read poems and memorisethem.
I'd do monologues.
I was the acting, you know,student.
I was the drama nerd.
But that's what I think has gotme to where I am now and the
vision is to create anentrepreneurial school for kids,
(34:06):
for teenagers who want to, one,become entrepreneurs, you know,
want to learn how to speak, wantto step on stage because part of
my story is dancing, singing andacting, you know, and now
speaking.
So that's like the big vision.
I
SPEAKER_00 (34:22):
love that so much and you're giving back, right?
That's
SPEAKER_03 (34:25):
it.
You know, like I truly believe,like my mum, I get emotional
about this now because it's sobeautiful because she would feed
their cat across the road to payfor the tuition.
She would create costumes forus.
And that drama school reallysaved me.
Like my house life was likereally bad.
(34:46):
And that's where I started toreally love performing.
And I think a lot of kids needthat for not only just
confidence, but what if there'sthings happening behind the
scenes and it's holding themback to being themselves.
Kids these days are stuck ontheir phone, don't even know how
to say hello or lose confidenceor have anxiety.
(35:09):
Or my brother was diagnosed withAsperger's as an early adult and
SPEAKER_02 (35:13):
You
SPEAKER_03 (35:14):
know what I mean?
This could open up so manybeautiful ways for them to heal
but also step into their power.
SPEAKER_00 (35:20):
So great.
And listening to your story,it's like you're becoming the
person and the woman that youneeded to be when you were a
child, right?
And that's how we inspire andthat's how we find out our
purpose and our gift is throughthat as well.
So that's really beautiful.
SPEAKER_03 (35:37):
I want to give this permission for everyone right
now.
Sometimes you don't know whatyour purpose is but– Like a big
part of what we do with ourclients when it comes to their
personal brand, like your storyis always shaped by the
significance events that haveshaped you for who you are, as
is your purpose sometimes.
And maybe you just need tofollow and connect the dots
along the way and just look backon that.
(35:58):
And fuck me, I didn't realizewhat my purpose was.
I was just, you know, followingmy heart.
And then, you know, here we are.
SPEAKER_00 (36:05):
I love that so much.
What's the legacy?
You spoke about legacy.
What's the legacy that you wantto leave or create?
SPEAKER_03 (36:12):
Yeah, I just really want people to never hold back
from their true power.
I think I want more women andmen too to be able to be
themselves and create big thingsin their life and that's like
giving people their superpower.
I think a lot of people who havehad you know, a bad upbringing
(36:35):
or have been told to be acertain way.
We want you to be your way asyou.
So that's the legacy I want toimprint in the world, you know,
like globally where more goodhumans are becoming
entrepreneurs and their storycan impact and create that
ripple effect.
I mean, I'm hoping by thisstory, it's given you guys the
inspiration or the push you needto stop playing small and owning
(36:59):
your truth and yourauthenticity.
Yeah.
see what that can do for you.
Yeah.
You don't have to be anentrepreneur, but you can change
the world your own way.
SPEAKER_00 (37:06):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's like having that littlefire in your belly and you're
like, there's something morehere for me.
And actually just following thatat the same time.
I think,
SPEAKER_03 (37:16):
I think we need to listen to that more.
So yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (37:20):
Yeah.
I wonder, this is just a generalquestion.
Like what's your version ofhappiness?
And you know, I feel likethere's always a drive for more
and wanting to be more andcreate more because there's
always more, right?
Of
SPEAKER_03 (37:36):
course.
What
SPEAKER_00 (37:37):
does that mean for you?
I
SPEAKER_03 (37:40):
always talk about my future family and giving my
future family the life I neverhad and I guess that's a big why
for me and happiness to me.
Yesterday, me and Jordan were athome with our two cats and we
were looking at the water andbehind the scenes, life's not
perfect, but it was just one ofthose days where it's like,
fuck, this is beautiful.
You know, it's not always in theglitz and glam or being on
(38:02):
stage.
Like I've got happiness speakingto people in front of people.
I've got happiness here rightnow.
You know, I have happiness everyday where I'm doing or living
towards my vision is happinessin the little things with my
friends.
I just did a post about mygrowth and my lessons this month
and I reflect on just laughingand being around my people and
(38:22):
that's my happiness.
You know, I think being able tobe you, being accepted by
yourself and being loved byother people.
Like that's happiness.
SPEAKER_00 (38:31):
I saw that post.
It's great.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (38:34):
Oh my God.
Yeah.
It was a month, but it wasreally good.
SPEAKER_00 (38:38):
Yeah.
But I love it as well becauselike, I believe that every,
every interaction or experience,there's always opportunity for
growth and lessons.
And some people don't look atthem, but there's, there's
always that opportunity.
Right.
And it's
SPEAKER_02 (38:56):
like, yeah,
SPEAKER_00 (38:57):
What was the lesson here?
What was this trying to teachme?
And now I've got an opportunityto go, okay, cool, I can step
into that or I can learn fromthat.
Still learning why
SPEAKER_03 (39:06):
I was late.
Like what was the lesson thennot to be on the phone?
SPEAKER_00 (39:10):
And what was my lesson at the same time, do you
know, like for that?
I don't know.
Yeah,
SPEAKER_03 (39:15):
maybe.
Just follow the rules tomorrowor there are no rules.
SPEAKER_00 (39:20):
Rules or whatever you make them to be, right?
Yeah, exactly.
But you're right, there'slessons in every interaction.
And, yeah, there's anopportunity for you to grow
through that, whatever thatmight be.
And that's with self-reflection.
Yes.
I
SPEAKER_03 (39:36):
was like, wait till March is lessons and
SPEAKER_00 (39:38):
growth.
Oh, 100%.
Yeah.
But self-reflection is something
SPEAKER_03 (39:41):
I need to do more of.
And I think for everyone elselistening too, it doesn't have
to be like this big thing.
But, yeah, like sometimes whenyou come to the end of the
month, it's nice to go, what didI learn from this month?
What helped me to grow?
Yeah.
What am I proud of?
UNKNOWN (39:56):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (39:57):
Yeah.
I love it.
Yeah, 100%.
And it's good.
I like it that, as youmentioned, it's monthly as well
rather than you get to the endof the year where people then
go, oh, how was the year thatjust was?
But, yeah, you're getting tocelebrate those things as you go
through.
100%.
Yeah.
I
SPEAKER_03 (40:16):
think it's important.
I think it's crazy to think thatwe're going to March.
Like don't you think it's weirdthat it's nearly– Like, what the
hell?
And that's the thing.
Life just happens so quickly, Ithink.
Often if we're just focused onmore, more, more, and what you
said, it's like, okay, be in thenow.
SPEAKER_00 (40:32):
Like,
SPEAKER_03 (40:34):
what are you happy about?
SPEAKER_00 (40:35):
Yeah.
How do you be present?
Yes.
And enjoy the moment.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's so true.
I just got back from a trip fromNew Zealand and...
Yeah, you said it was beautiful.
It was very beautiful.
I went, yeah, for one of my goodgirlfriend's wedding over there.
So it was just a magical day andit was interesting, like, I get
(40:57):
super reflective when I gotravelling.
Oh, me too.
Like, just with what...
Does everything mean to me?
Am I on the right path?
Like, you know, do or what do Ineed to change?
It's like this inspiration andchange of environment, right?
And also like what I wasthinking a lot about home and
what does home mean as well?
And, you know, what's thefeeling?
(41:18):
Is it a place?
Is it people?
Exactly right.
Like what is home?
That's a big one.
yeah it is and I've realizedover the last two trips that
I've had I've really missed theGold Coast and I'm like okay
what is it about the Gold Coastthat I'm I miss and it's like it
feels like a sense of home but Ithink it's like the person that
I am here as well and I love youknow going out and experiencing
(41:41):
and stuff that I had to keep onreminding myself come back to
the present moment of where youare and have the experience and
then when you're home you'rehome like it's just yeah
SPEAKER_03 (41:50):
it's such a beautiful journey just went
through you know I love on theplane I'm the same it's like
SPEAKER_02 (41:55):
these
SPEAKER_03 (41:55):
ideas and creativity and then it's like okay like
it's it's change of environmentbut it's just nice that you come
back to I'm doing you now the nowhat's with my head the
reflection to the creativity tothis the present self
SPEAKER_00 (42:08):
yeah yeah so good um in terms of like we've spoken a
lot about change and you knowpivotal moments for you that
have created you to be thisincredible person that you are
and doing incredible things Whatwould be like a standout lesson
for you or even a piece ofadvice that you would give to
(42:30):
your younger self as well?
I
SPEAKER_03 (42:37):
think for me it was always around like trusting me
in the moment when I wasyounger.
Like I think I was always justsomeone that didn't think about
what I did.
I just did it.
And that was a really greatthing for me.
And sometimes it's not.
But sometimes we just need toallow ourselves to trust.
And, you know, I feel when I wasa little girl I just had no fear
(43:01):
and I just did so many things.
And I would tell myself, youknow, don't let people put you
in a box.
You know, my grandma did thatonce and other family members
too.
And for a while there I rememberthat my energy was so much for
people that I thought I had toput that down.
And so I would tell my youngerself, like, they're just–
(43:23):
actually threatened by yourenergy and I just needed to own
more of that you know and I'mowning more of that but energy
doesn't have to be like erraticand you can have energy and be
so powerful just by even justbeing so more grounded and so I
think that's something I andalso you know what I as a little
girl I had so much anxiety Iremember that and I think I
(43:43):
would just say to her like it'sokay you're going to be okay you
know like that's something Iremember now too.
SPEAKER_00 (43:51):
I love that.
What's one question that youwere hoping I was going to ask
today?
I don't know.
Okay, okay.
Go,
SPEAKER_03 (44:02):
go, go.
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (44:05):
Or something that you'd like to share with the
listeners like as a partinggift.
Oh, that's hard as well.
I'm
SPEAKER_03 (44:13):
going to go with the question for the next
SPEAKER_02 (44:15):
person and that is– This is hard.
What's something
SPEAKER_03 (44:30):
you're letting go of
SPEAKER_02 (44:31):
for
SPEAKER_03 (44:31):
this month?
Whether it be an identity, athing that you've been holding
on to, what are you letting goof?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (44:41):
I love that so
SPEAKER_03 (44:41):
much.
I think that was, it's good forthe theme we've had today.
SPEAKER_00 (44:44):
Yeah, absolutely.
And letting go as well, like forcontext can be what
conversations are you no longerentertaining?
Is there someone that is in yourlife that you're like, do you
know what?
They don't.
Yeah, exactly right.
And, you know, or is it I needto clean up my house and let go
of things that I'm holding ontofrom the past?
(45:07):
Like it's those things that itcan be environment as well.
Honestly, it can be what you
SPEAKER_03 (45:12):
interpret it, you know, letting go of not being
late.
Yeah.
Or okay to be late.
I can be letting go of, youknow, people-pleasing, whatever
comes to mind, letting go offear of judgment, or even
letting go of being worriedabout what people think of you
too.
SPEAKER_00 (45:29):
Such a beautiful question.
I love that.
Thanks, honey.
Thank you so much for coming onConversations That Count.
I've absolutely loved it andthink that it was so relevant in
so many ways.
It feels like it's such a themefor me at the moment is around
identity.
So I appreciate your insight.
You're owning your
SPEAKER_03 (45:46):
identity, honey.
Absolutely.
Thank you for having me,gorgeous.
yay so excited about this week's episode of
conversations that count i amjoined by tamara which i'm super
excited about our chat
SPEAKER_03 (00:09):
welcome thank you so much for having me beautiful
girl yes it's an honor
SPEAKER_00 (00:15):
i love it um tamara your zone of genius is all
things personal brandauthenticity and stepping into
your personal power so i'm soexcited about where this
conversation is going because ifeel like it's so relevant in
all aspects of life not just inbusiness but in personal as well
um so yeah excited to see how wenavigate
SPEAKER_03 (00:38):
through this and i love that you brought this up
because i've recently juststarted working with someone in
marketing and just before westarted she got me to close my
eyes and she said you know whatdo you want people to know you
as when they leave the room whatdo you want people to say And
the thing that came to mestraight away was motivational
speaking.
(00:58):
And she's like, well, why aren'tyou doing more of that?
And I think a lot of the timeswhen it comes to building a
personal brand, we closeourselves off to really just
being this one identity or oneaspect of us or a version of us
when, you know, I believe, youknow, in personal branding, we
get to create the big picture,the vision, right?
(01:19):
Yeah.
I love that we're here talkingabout all things personal
branding, owning your power,your zone of genius and
authenticity.
SPEAKER_00 (01:26):
Let's go into it.
Let's start there.
How do you actually navigatethat?
Because personal branding, Ifeel like it's definitely a lot
of people are focusing more onthat as well.
And it's people connect withpeople, right?
It's not necessarily who youwork for, your job title,
anything like that.
It's like who you are as aperson.
So how do you...
(01:47):
How do you build personal brandor what does that even mean?
That's such a big question right
SPEAKER_03 (01:54):
there.
And I want to explain it from aplace of like not the strategy
but more around like a greatthing I love about Simon Sinek.
He's like people buy your why.
And a lot of people, when theystart their personal branding
journey, they focus on the look,the feel, but not the connection
and why they've built thisbeautiful brand, who they are as
a person and how that can becomesuch resonance and relatability.
(02:17):
And so how you begin with thepersonal brand, it's like, well,
who are you?
What do you love?
What sets your soul on fire?
And what are your attributes?
What's your voice?
How are you as a person?
And I think...
Where even when I went wrong,when I first started in the
online space as a fitness coach,I didn't know any of this
(02:39):
because I think my reason forwhat I started my business was
so different to what it is nowbecause it wasn't even true to
who I was.
You know, I saw one of my bestfriends, Ashley Freeman, start
competing and I was like, I wantto do that.
And so reflecting on my choicesover the time, whilst it was a
version of me and I loved that Istepped into fitness, now
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helping women in business, Ithink the core essence comes to
finding out who you are firstand foremost.
And a lot of people don't knowwho that is.
100%.
Or they think, how or who, whywill people listen to me?
You know, who am I to...
you know, build a personal brandor a lot of the things I get is
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my story is not tragic.
My story is simple.
And I think that can also be asuperpower.
SPEAKER_00 (03:26):
Oh, absolutely.
And I feel like a lot of peoplebecome who they think that they
should be or need to be and notnecessarily who they are.
And that's where you get thatmassive disconnection of this
doesn't feel right or I'm notinspired or I'm not motivated by
my life.
(03:47):
And it's because you're notliving a life true to who you
are.
And it's not until you reallyask yourself those questions of
like, who am I and what yousaid?
Like, what's my why?
SPEAKER_03 (03:59):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (03:59):
And a lot of people don't realize that.
And that's a massivegeneralization, I know.
But it's such an importantquestion to start with.
UNKNOWN (04:08):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (04:08):
When I started business coaching, the first
thing I used to do with myclients was building their
foundation.
So how can you do the same whenit comes to your personal
branding?
Because it's the same with yourvalues, your mission and vision
and creating rules and decisionsbased on your values as a
business and as a brand, whichis you, right?
Yeah.
(04:28):
I believe in messy action.
I believe in being yourauthentic self.
I do believe also that you canbe polished, presentable, and
have a really luxe brand.
That's what we strive for.
We want to work with founders inbusiness and eventually step
into the corporate space when itcomes to what we do.
But everyone has to have areally great, solid foundation.
(04:48):
And I always say yourauthenticity is your first
following the breadcrumbs.
And if you don't know...
how to explore that.
Well, that's what we're here todo today.
Right.
You know, and I think I had tolearn the hard way.
And I think if anyone'slistening to, it's like when you
remove all the layers of who youneed to be or who you get to
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become, or if it's always beenin within yourself, it's like
looking back at that littlegirl.
And me as a little girl, I wasalways wanting to help people.
And it's so cliche and it's likeeveryone says that, but it's
like actually my story.
And I think it's because what Iwas experiencing behind the
scenes, you know, a verydysfunctional family.
My dad was a gambling addict.
I was born in Germany.
You know, the way I used toenvision my life as a little
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girl was like I just wanted tohelp people believe in
themselves because behind thescenes, like it's all I had.
SPEAKER_02 (05:40):
And
SPEAKER_03 (05:42):
when you can reflect back on when you were younger,
like what was she or he doing?
What was her– what was she likeor what is she like now?
And we want to bring more ofthat to what we get to achieve.
I
SPEAKER_00 (05:54):
love that so much.
And when you're a child, you'reso carefree, right?
You– you can we're told thisstory and it's not really a
story but like you can beanything you want to be in the
world like what does your heartdesire and we're told that and
so we we do everything andanything that we possibly can
(06:14):
and as we get older or we gothrough different stages of life
it's like we forget that and soit's actually reconnecting with
like that as you said that innerchild and knowing what they
wanted at the time and how canyou bring that more into life
right now as well yeah and it's
SPEAKER_03 (06:32):
interesting because I think about what was my little
where where did things start tochange and shift and And it's
coming back to self-acceptanceand self-worth.
It's like you as your youngerversion always just wanted to be
loved, right?
So if we think aboutauthenticity, we lead from the
heart.
We lead of our true essence.
So coming back to that andfinding that self-acceptance to
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build authenticity, it beginswith us.
So authenticity, as non-strategythis is, it's loving yourself
again and owning that.
And how do you do that?
Oh my God, I'm still working onthat.
But here's something I'mnavigating at the moment.
And it's something that I spokeabout at this recent live event
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that I spoke at, at She MeansBusiness.
And every time I speak on stagenow, it's always a story.
It's never a script.
It's always like, what am Inavigating through?
And I always like to begin withthe truth, right?
And I've only realized that I'mstill navigating through fear of
judgment.
And I have to find forgivenessin myself with that.
And based on a story that Irealized and I share this with
(07:41):
people a lot.
You know, when I was 12, I washomeless, right?
And in that story that I share,which I've shared over the 10
years, there's one bit of thatstory that I forgot and this has
only recently come up.
You know, my mom was there.
My little brother was there.
We were trying to get into ourhome.
She opened the door.
She couldn't get in.
She calls my dad.
(08:01):
My dad says, you know, he'sobviously spent all the money.
There's no money for us to payfor rent.
So we got kicked out.
That was a big story I alwaysshared.
Only recently, when I was doingthe work on myself, which is
coming back to the love piece, Irealized there was one person
there that I forgot, and thatwas one of my best friends at
the time.
And when we were homeless, weran to our– the owner of that
(08:25):
house had a house down the road.
We ran there when I was a littlegirl at 12, me and my best
friend knocking on the doorsaying, please, please help me.
We really need to get into ourhouse.
We've been locked out.
And the wife and the two sonswalked out and they're like,
well, there's nothing we can do.
She told everyone.
And that came up recently.
(08:45):
And the way you start to loveyourself is, yes, the internal
work, but it's forgivingyourself.
Knowing you are loved with thegood and the bad, no money, with
money.
And there was this fear ofjudgment that I faced for so
long that if I wasn't a certainway, if I wasn't loved and seen,
(09:05):
that I wasn't lovable.
And that was a big part of mystory that I recently shared on
stage.
So, yeah, coming back to you,babe, it's forgiving you.
It's forgiving those parts ofus.
It's like it's the internal workthat's ongoing these days and
part of our story too, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (09:21):
Yeah.
And there's always like, as yousaid, the light and the dark.
It's actually acknowledging allof that and also accepting all
of that as well.
And also, you know, when itcomes to judgment, sometimes
it's the other person projectingtheir insecurities and you know
projecting their things onto youso it's also acknowledging like
(09:44):
well that's not about me Iaccept all of me regardless of
what you say
SPEAKER_02 (09:49):
yeah
SPEAKER_03 (09:49):
and
SPEAKER_00 (09:49):
that's again like that's also hard for like you
know we know that now but yeah
SPEAKER_03 (09:55):
well that's it like back then you know and I think
as well coming back to At thattime now, I really didn't really
have a choice to be a kid.
So I'm now relearning,unlearning and relearning, you
know, how I can be more me.
And it's kind of like allowingmyself to process these emotions
and allowing myself to get angryand sad, you know, and that's
(10:16):
all part of self-acceptance too.
Because, you know, back then itwas like, don't tell people what
you're going through.
You know, you know, no one's gotproblems.
Everyone's happy family.
So I had to grow up quitequickly and it's, again, like
part of what I love sharing onstage and talking about with
authenticity.
I want it to be the permissionslip for women.
SPEAKER_00 (10:34):
Oh, absolutely.
And people are going to resonatewith your story and people are
going to go, do you know what?
I'm not alone here.
And as you said, it's a massivepermission slip for people to
actually go, I've got things Ineed to work on as well or if
she can, I can.
That's
SPEAKER_03 (10:50):
exactly right.
SPEAKER_00 (10:51):
So, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (10:52):
And the fact that I'm navigating it still is, That
is what is important tounderstand.
And when we're looking at ourpersonal brand and showing up
online, the most beautiful pieceto anything, it's being
relatable.
And right now the market isshifting, as you might know,
right?
And it's less about theinfluencer mindset.
It's more about the impactfulperson, the personal brand that
(11:12):
has connection, the personalbrand that, you know, has
faults, is raw, is original, youknow, has light and shade,
positive and negative, bad andgood.
You know, that's what peoplewant to see more.
There's no polished picture.
highlight reel anymore.
SPEAKER_00 (11:27):
No.
And there's no perfect person.
No.
I was late today and I was
SPEAKER_03 (11:31):
like, I'm so fucking sorry.
You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_00 (11:34):
Yeah.
But there's no perfect person atall and I sometimes struggle
like showing up blind and whatdo I actually share because like
I think every day you'relearning something new, you're
always navigating something andthat's a part of personal growth
and personal evolution andespecially if you are creating
things and building things,you're naturally going to have
(11:56):
things pop up and I'm like whatdo I actually share and do
people care at the same timeand, you know, are they just
going to go, oh, here's yourshe's complaining again so I
totally I totally get that and Ithat's something I'm like
working through at the same timeyeah
SPEAKER_03 (12:12):
it's so funny because I used to talk about
everything when I was startingout and I was just like okay Tam
well the truth is no one caresunless it's got something to do
with them and that's it and thisis where you know strategy and
business is interesting becauseyou know part of you sharing is
so that they have some kind ofrelatability and it's basically
putting it back on them you knowyes we can be inspirational yes
(12:34):
we can be someone that peoplesay you've motivated me to go to
the gym okay cool but why andwhat's stopping you from working
with me and that's the gap thatwe want to use personal branding
in it's like having thatconnection relatability story
whether our rant resonateswhether there's a framework
around that but then like how dowe get that beautiful story and
(12:54):
this is where we teach you knowin our beautiful space in our in
our group you know every storyhas a a call to action or a way
for them to respond because ourgoal on social media, as we
know, is to engage and toconvert,
SPEAKER_00 (13:10):
you
SPEAKER_03 (13:11):
know.
Yeah,
SPEAKER_00 (13:12):
and I guess like that's such a learning in
itself, isn't it?
Like the whole navigation ofthat world.
SPEAKER_03 (13:18):
Yeah, and if you think about when you work, if we
look at it as a shop front, youknow, like going into a coffee
store, grabbing a coffee, youknow, they're selling every day.
And so our job as a businessowner, service provider, coach,
whatever you guys do, yourpersonal brand, you know, you're
there to change and shift theirperspective on life and also
(13:40):
offer the result too.
And so by doing that, you know,every day it's about sharing,
expressing, but it's alwaysmeaning to be relevant to them.
And there's so many frameworkswe teach.
Like if you had a rant...
And that's what's, you know, andfor you it's maybe like, is this
something I want to sharebecause I need to share or want
to share or if this is going tobe of service or impact?
(14:02):
I think there's so manyquestions.
Intention.
Yeah, ask ourselves around it.
I used to use it as a way ofexplaining.
I actually think sometimes Ireflect on that.
I think I was projecting andalso like processing at the same
time back before I even realisedwhat I was doing.
So I'm always very big on myclients where, you know, It
needs to be coming from a placeof, yes, intent, love, but have
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you worked through it?
Because the embodiment piece isso important.
And I say this with absolutelove.
Like, fucking hell, there'speople out there not actually,
you know, being the embodimentof what they practice.
SPEAKER_00 (14:39):
I love that so much because, yeah, the embodiment
and– I'm triggered.
No, but let's talk through thatbecause, like, embodiment, like–
what is that at the same time umand yeah like we can I'm like
well the embodiment piece is sokey because then you're in flow
(15:02):
and you're teaching from theheart as well like you're coming
from the right place rather thansaying hey I'm doing this and I
can just be this for you and isthat true at the same time where
embodiment is such a key elementin all aspects of life, in
whatever it is that you dobecause it's saying that I've
done this, I've moved throughthis experience, I've taken the
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lessons, I've integrated that,now this is who I am.
SPEAKER_03 (15:26):
It's the integration.
And I think when I first steppedinto the transition of my
business, I never said do what Ido.
I said, hey, I'm doing this.
I'm going through this journey.
I'd love for you to follow me.
And, you know, if this connectswith you, if this is relatable
to you, just know you're notalone.
You know, I was going throughthe transition, you know, and I
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worked so hard to go from oneidentity of fitness into a
business owner, into a businessmentor now, like being a
speaker.
And I think where I believe Iwas able to build the authority
was because I owned where I wasat and not promoted myself, what
I wanted people to know me as.
I
SPEAKER_00 (16:08):
love that so much.
SPEAKER_03 (16:10):
But because I used to, you know, and not with ego,
not with realizing it.
Do you know what I mean?
Like in the fitness space, it'ssuch a common thing.
And I was like promoting, like Ihad this, you know, multimillion
dollar business and I did good,but it wasn't that.
And a lot of people aren'tactually, Being real
SPEAKER_02 (16:34):
to
SPEAKER_03 (16:35):
what they promote.
And I think more people now needto make a stand for the people
that are working hard and thosethat are not.
And I
SPEAKER_00 (16:43):
suppose you're going to get that in all industries,
right?
It's just then connecting backto the person as
SPEAKER_03 (16:48):
well.
And that's it.
And I just say that with lovebecause I want more people to
understand that the work thatyou do to build your personal
brand, it's constantly evolving.
It's constantly growing.
Lessons and growth.
It also gets to be anopportunity for you to also lean
into being more like the bestversion and that's the
embodiment piece.
And I own I'm not perfect.
I own that I have flaws.
I definitely have so much moreto learn, but I own that too.
SPEAKER_00 (17:12):
That's life, right?
Yes.
That's just navigating life atthe same time because we're the
same person.
Like, fuck, I wasn't even thesame person as I was last week.
Do you know what I mean?
Well, three weeks ago, babes.
But it's so true.
And, like, we hold on to, like,I'm this person today.
I need to be that person nextweek.
(17:32):
No, you're constantly changingand evolving and, you know.
Yeah, preach it, sister.
Yeah, I love that.
I agree so much.
Yeah.
You mentioned that you've gonethrough a few identity shifts
within that time.
The three weeks?
Yeah.
Oh, no, but like in terms oflike moving from fitness to
business.
I'm like, how's my handgestures?
I like it.
It's like a wave.
Yeah, exactly right.
The journey of life.
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How do you navigate that?
And this is something that I'mreally thinking about a lot at
the moment because as Imentioned, I'm navigating a lot
at the moment.
And one thing I don't believethat we talk about often is that
while we're stepping into thatnew version of you, There's a
grief process that goes withthat as well.
(18:16):
And that is the hardest part tomove through, I think, because
you know your why and you knowthe reasons you're doing things.
But for you to step into thatnew version, you have to let go
of so much.
And there's that grievingprocess.
SPEAKER_03 (18:34):
Yeah.
And I want to...
I kind of want to go throughwhat each of them was.
Everyone was a little bit moredifferent.
I think when I went from fitnessto life coaching, and life
coaching we still do now if youthink about it.
It's like part of coaches whohave studied NLP and know the
life coaching modalities.
But it felt like for that piece,when I went from fitness to life
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coaching, like I had made thisbig decision and then it was
like, holy fuck, what do I donow?
And it was also like a lot ofimposter syndrome that came up
and a lot of like who am I whenI'm not this?
Who am I when I don't have thepro athlete status?
Who am I when I don't havepeople at the fitness events
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coming up to me?
Who am I without thesponsorships?
And it was like a clean slate.
But it happened at a time whereI was grieving also like love
and I was grieving– Arelationship, I was grieving, so
many things.
So it was almost like I grievedso many parts of me, but it was
really beautiful because it wasthe most hardest time, that
first transition, because I waslearning more about myself.
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I was learning about, like, youknow, my past and the lenses of
life, you know, when you look atthe world from different lenses
of victim versus growth.
I was in victim mindset as afitness coach.
I wasn't aware of it, though.
So that in itself was a griefbecause I was like, fuck, Tam.
Whoa.
wake up call you absolute twatand also like how cool is it now
(20:08):
you get to work through this andit's that penny drop for me so
yeah it was really interestingfrom being single and you know
moving to a studio apartmentCOVID hit and then the fucking
ego death and and even thehealing journey I'll tell you a
quick story yeah I think this isa really great opportunity for
anyone as well when it comes tothe the grief I grieved around
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love I was seeing someone duringCOVID and I It was when I was
working on myself with lifecoaching and we were doing so
many different modalities oflike the letting go process.
There was this meditation welearnt which is called the
Ho'oponopono meditation.
I don't know if you know it.
Yeah, I love it.
So there was a point where inthat time this person I was
seeing left, wanted to focus onhimself, didn't see anything in
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me and it broke me.
But in my eyes I thought maybehe's just going through stuff
and whatnot.
And we did this meditation.
literally I got this stabbingpain in my eyes, headache.
I opened my eyes because I wascrying so much.
I had bloodshot eyes.
And it was like the universesaying, what do you not see?
SPEAKER_02 (21:11):
And
SPEAKER_03 (21:14):
I think this is just a big reminder that sometimes we
get so caught up in the grief inwhat we're not seeing in front
of us when really our path isright there, what's really
obvious.
And sometimes we create allthese stories.
It's like, you know what,sometimes you just need to let
go and trust.
And that was one of the biggestlet go for me.
Yeah, so powerful though, right?
I wish I had photos, babe.
(21:35):
I might be able to find them forthis podcast because I look like
a vampire.
SPEAKER_00 (21:39):
Yeah, wow.
It's
SPEAKER_03 (21:40):
fucked.
SPEAKER_00 (21:40):
Yeah.
But I think you touched on sucha great point there is that we
hold on to things so muchbecause we want it to be a
certain way and the whole pointof– it's a journey and it's the
letting go and surrendering intowhatever will be.
And I know that's a lot easiersaid than done sometimes because
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you want it to be a particularway and you want it to happen.
And, you know, like sometimesit, doesn't work out the way
it's meant to, but there'slessons in that.
SPEAKER_03 (22:14):
If you can picture like that grip you hold on to,
like it's like you're reallylike this.
And if you can just like slowlyjust like let your fingers just
relax, you know, that'sessentially like the identities
we hold on to.
And it's sometimes you just needto let go
SPEAKER_01 (22:29):
and
SPEAKER_03 (22:30):
the rest will follow.
So I encourage anyone listening,you know, and for yourself as
well, you know, we're so hard onourselves and it's okay to,
Change direction.
Change is such a big thing thatpeople freak out about.
SPEAKER_00 (22:44):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
And people will need, like theyneed to want to change.
That made no sense.
It
SPEAKER_03 (22:53):
did.
To me it did.
Oh, yeah.
People need to want to change.
SPEAKER_00 (22:56):
Yeah, exactly right.
For them to change.
Otherwise, like they'll justkeep doing the same thing.
Yeah.
So, yeah, I love it.
100%.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (23:05):
Change has been coming up for me a lot lately
too.
So we're about to evolve again.
I should be called thetransition.
Oh my God, tell me.
Yeah.
Well, it was interesting.
This recent navigation of fearof judgment and then the talk I
recently did, as I said, likeI'm now leaning into speaking on
stage where there are wanting towork with founders and helping
them navigate through how tospeak on stage, how to present,
(23:29):
how to build their personalbrand founders who want to
really nail their messaging, whoare not just here to play small,
but are wanting to be like thatnext level personal brand that
are speaking, you know, and, andthat's the direction we're now
going in.
Yeah.
It's just another layer of whatwe do because I've been on stage
since I was three.
And then I guess my life hasalways been a stage of
(23:50):
involvement in different arenas.
So yeah, I find every time Iwork with women, it's kind of
what I was saying to you beforewith life coaching.
I was helping women in lifecoaching and then they would
always want to then work ontheir careers.
Now, women I work with in theircareers, they all want to speak.
Yeah.
On stage.
I was like, fuck, this is okay.
So we're like, yeah, exploringthat now.
(24:11):
And it's pretty cool.
SPEAKER_00 (24:13):
Yeah.
It's like you follow the goldenthread.
That's what's coming up andyou're like, what's this?
SPEAKER_03 (24:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (24:18):
Just navigate that through that as well.
SPEAKER_03 (24:20):
That's it.
SPEAKER_00 (24:20):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (24:21):
Let it, like, Sometimes you just need someone
to tell you you're ready for it.
Like I wasn't ready to go, I'm amotivational speaker, I'm the
next Tamara Robbins untilsomeone said it and I was like,
okay, I need to own that.
SPEAKER_00 (24:33):
Yeah.
And I think as well like doingthat, it's all those other
skills that happen in thebackground as well.
It's like so many people and I'mgoing to be general here and
talk about not just businessowners as well is that they just
go on you know, little quietachievers, some people as well.
And it's like, okay, well, howdo you own your greatness and
(24:56):
how do you step into yourgreatness and how do you be seen
and heard as well?
And that sometimes it's hardbecause it takes like the
confidence to do so.
Facing your fears of judgment.
What if I fail?
What if I get rejected?
What if I say the wrong thing?
Who actually cares?
And so it's like doing all thethings in the background that
(25:17):
help you to get there, likedoing the podcast or showing up
on socials or talking on storiesor putting your hand up in a
meeting and actually talking.
Like these are all skills.
They might seem like minutethings at the time, but they're
all just building thatconfidence to then get up on
stage or whatever it is.
That's the basics, babe.
A
SPEAKER_03 (25:34):
hundred percent.
Yeah.
Month of Feb has been thehardest month for me with the
things I was working throughbehind the scenes.
But it's been the best becauseI'd be crying with my mentors,
like, why is this so hard?
And then all of a sudden, like,the tools that I've implemented
and integrated, you know, breathwork, central nervous system
regulation, stepping into myfeminine, which we spoke about
(25:56):
last time, you know, and owningmy story and knowing how that
can just, you know, expand.
It's the things that peopledon't see.
that can make the ripple effectin your business.
Even when you feel like showingup online is not getting that
straightaway return ofinvestment or gratification,
instant gratification, it'sactually why we have to keep
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going and why we need to do thetouch points, the internal work,
implementing the skill set,integrating it all.
Yeah, it's all part of it.
Hey, babe.
SPEAKER_00 (26:28):
Oh, 100%.
How do you navigate?
What?
What I just went through?
I don't know.
I'm still learning, but Ifigured it out.
I'll let you know.
In the processing phase.
Yeah, but like, you know, you'regoing through so much change at
the moment and, you know, shiftin identity and change and
pivots and all of that.
(26:49):
How do you still show up and begrounded in moments of
uncertainty as well?
SPEAKER_03 (26:55):
Yeah, I think my whole life has been like a–
fuck, I need to createframeworks for this.
Honestly, I just– if I didn'thave the people in my life, the
mentors as well, the uncertaintypiece, I mean like every new
level that you're ascending,right, or another level, another
level, of course there's goingto be uncertainty.
And it's just like I think youjust get really good at leaning
(27:17):
into it Yeah.
Like, I think you, for me, like,I'm so, like, I have no idea
what this new direction is goingto look like with everything
else we're doing.
But you get so good at owningit.
SPEAKER_01 (27:29):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (27:30):
And even when you do feel that uncertainty and not
knowing, it's kind of like,well, okay.
UNKNOWN (27:35):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (27:35):
Rather than being afraid, it's like that
excitement piece, like I'm doingsomething new.
This is so cool.
Yeah, I love that.
Because that was what I was likeas a little girl.
Like I used to do backflips, notbe scared of falling on my head,
and then I fell on my head and Iwas so scared.
And so it's almost like we haveto see that every time we think
we're going to fall, we'reactually falling and taking that
(27:56):
big leap to the next big thing.
SPEAKER_00 (27:58):
And it's worth it, right?
You're
SPEAKER_03 (28:00):
doing it for a reason.
SPEAKER_00 (28:01):
There's a reason like it popped up.
SPEAKER_03 (28:03):
Well, it's funny because more opportunities are
coming now that I've owned it.
So it's kind of like it's theacceptance, it's the surrender,
and then you kind of have todeclare it and then take
actionable steps towards it.
So now I'm having conversationswith people about this venture
and people are like, fuck, thisis awesome.
How do we take part of it?
What is the, you know, what doyou do?
What's the process?
And now we're just putting itall in place.
SPEAKER_00 (28:25):
I love that when you say yes and it's like everything
else works.
just falls into place, right?
Yeah.
And you've been doing it too.
SPEAKER_01 (28:33):
Oh, 100%.
You've been doing it too.
SPEAKER_00 (28:35):
Like I left, I think I told you, left my corporate
job, like career that I builtfor 13 years, stepping full-time
into business and what I'mcreating at the moment.
As soon as I left, and that wasonly...
the end of December, soliterally two months ago, the
amount of opportunities thathave popped up since then.
I've created this podcast.
(28:57):
I've got really excitingbusiness ventures that are
coming up.
Conversations are different.
People are reaching out.
There's so much more and it'sbecause sometimes you have to
let go sometimes Step into theuncertainty.
Face all of that.
Because it was hard, like, toactually make that decision.
Step into that.
Own it.
And then just go, do you knowwhat?
(29:17):
This is the direction.
And now things will justnaturally unfold and they have
been.
And there's hard parts that gowith all of that at the same
time.
SPEAKER_03 (29:25):
Yes.
And I love that because it's sayyes, figure it out.
SPEAKER_00 (29:29):
100%.
Like, is it?
Yeah.
Because it's so, like– by youoverthinking about it, you're
then creating inaction.
And so you're just sitting onthe fence and you're just kind
of going through life and like,oh, should I, should I not just
jump in and figure it out as yougo?
It's my motto.
Yeah, winging it.
SPEAKER_03 (29:50):
And I say don't wing your strategy, but sometimes
you're the strategy and that'swhen you look at everything else
from different lenses and yourown intuitions, your superpower.
Yes, you can have frameworks andthe structure around it all, but
like...
Look at you where you are now.
Yeah.
Did you...
Have you done 20 episodes yet?
Was it 20?
SPEAKER_00 (30:06):
No, I...
So...
Just to give the listeners alittle bit of context.
So Tamara and I did a podcastinterview about a month ago.
And it did go according to plan.
In perfect action.
And so now we're re-recordingthis episode.
Do you know that this happenedwith me and Shani?
It must be me.
I don't know.
Do you know what?
I just roll with it.
(30:26):
Like, you know, everything ishappening for you.
So there's a reason that thisconversation is popping up,
which is totally different tothe first one as well.
Yeah.
So, yeah, I have a goal withthis podcast by the end of the
year.
I think I want to release– Ithink we said– One a week?
Yeah, one a week.
So I think this is– I'm sevenweeks in now, something like
that.
(30:46):
That's awesome.
And the feedback has been sogreat.
Like I'm loving it and there'speople in my network listening.
I'm like, I didn't even knowthat you were there.
Yeah, that's so cool.
Do you know what I mean?
And I just
SPEAKER_03 (30:56):
love that.
Yeah.
Honestly, it's best– best thingI did when I was transitioning
was start a podcast it's likethat's how you want the hack for
certainty start a podcast yeahthat's that's bringing you in
like people that see you andyour your your areas of
expertise honey I know
SPEAKER_00 (31:13):
it's so great um in terms of like so you're you're
navigating all of this at themoment is your so what's Where
do you want to take yourbusiness?
Have we even spoken about yourbusiness actually besides like
the new side of it?
I don't think so.
We've gone through so many
SPEAKER_03 (31:30):
things.
Yes.
Okay.
So what I have now at themoment, like obviously I consult
with businesses butpredominantly I have two offers.
It's Queendom Mastermind, youknow, where a lot of women come
to me.
They build their businesses,their personal brand, their
authority, their offers and in ayear with me, they make multi
six figures and we go from beingunknown to building a legacy,
(31:52):
you know, and that's around howyou shop online, authentically
selling through storytelling andscaling your beautiful personal
brand,
SPEAKER_02 (32:00):
you
SPEAKER_03 (32:00):
know, And then Empire is our beautiful school,
our Empire school.
So we teach, you know, peoplewhen it comes to either
startups, people who are goingfrom one identity to another,
transitioning from nine to fiveto building an online business.
You know, we help them hitconsistent 20K months in that
six months, you know.
And that's all the samemessaging, authenticity, you
(32:21):
know, building a product, youknow, starting a business that's
going to work around yourlifestyle, not a prison, you
know.
It's the foundation of it all,of the empire.
And then, of course, speakingnow and, yeah, like working with
founders when it comes to, youknow, just like you can be a
personal brand but what can thatdo for you now?
(32:42):
Yeah.
Like that's one of my zone ofgeniuses with people.
It's like, okay, you're– like wecan work with you and then we
can get you in front of theright people that they're going
to want to hear you and yourstory and what you do.
So that's kind of what we're–Yeah, I love that.
Yeah.
I can't tell you the name justyet, but when it does come.
Yeah, I know.
We work fast.
Yes.
(33:03):
Great.
But I don't know if I've saidthis because another big part of
this whole venture too, youknow, when I was eight, it's
kind of how this is all kind ofunfolded and it's putting the
pieces back in place, you know.
Like my third language wasEnglish.
I don't know if you know that.
So I spoke German, Portuguese,and then when we moved to
Australia when I was four,English was my third language.
(33:25):
So my beautiful mum was teachingme English.
She couldn't speak English.
My dad was not around.
So at eight, the teacher said tome, you know, Tamara's got lots
of potential, but she needs tolearn how to read, write,
fucking speak.
And my beautiful mum at thetime, we didn't have much money,
but she– it was a drama schoolacross the road, and I went
(33:46):
there, and that's how I startedto read English.
write, speak, memorise poems.
I would read poems and memorisethem.
I'd do monologues.
I was the acting, you know,student.
I was the drama nerd.
But that's what I think has gotme to where I am now and the
vision is to create anentrepreneurial school for kids,
(34:06):
for teenagers who want to, one,become entrepreneurs, you know,
want to learn how to speak, wantto step on stage because part of
my story is dancing, singing andacting, you know, and now
speaking.
So that's like the big vision.
I
SPEAKER_00 (34:22):
love that so much and you're giving back, right?
That's
SPEAKER_03 (34:25):
it.
You know, like I truly believe,like my mum, I get emotional
about this now because it's sobeautiful because she would feed
their cat across the road to payfor the tuition.
She would create costumes forus.
And that drama school reallysaved me.
Like my house life was likereally bad.
(34:46):
And that's where I started toreally love performing.
And I think a lot of kids needthat for not only just
confidence, but what if there'sthings happening behind the
scenes and it's holding themback to being themselves.
Kids these days are stuck ontheir phone, don't even know how
to say hello or lose confidenceor have anxiety.
(35:09):
Or my brother was diagnosed withAsperger's as an early adult and
SPEAKER_02 (35:13):
You
SPEAKER_03 (35:14):
know what I mean?
This could open up so manybeautiful ways for them to heal
but also step into their power.
SPEAKER_00 (35:20):
So great.
And listening to your story,it's like you're becoming the
person and the woman that youneeded to be when you were a
child, right?
And that's how we inspire andthat's how we find out our
purpose and our gift is throughthat as well.
So that's really beautiful.
SPEAKER_03 (35:37):
I want to give this permission for everyone right
now.
Sometimes you don't know whatyour purpose is but– Like a big
part of what we do with ourclients when it comes to their
personal brand, like your storyis always shaped by the
significance events that haveshaped you for who you are, as
is your purpose sometimes.
And maybe you just need tofollow and connect the dots
along the way and just look backon that.
(35:58):
And fuck me, I didn't realizewhat my purpose was.
I was just, you know, followingmy heart.
And then, you know, here we are.
SPEAKER_00 (36:05):
I love that so much.
What's the legacy?
You spoke about legacy.
What's the legacy that you wantto leave or create?
SPEAKER_03 (36:12):
Yeah, I just really want people to never hold back
from their true power.
I think I want more women andmen too to be able to be
themselves and create big thingsin their life and that's like
giving people their superpower.
I think a lot of people who havehad you know, a bad upbringing
(36:35):
or have been told to be acertain way.
We want you to be your way asyou.
So that's the legacy I want toimprint in the world, you know,
like globally where more goodhumans are becoming
entrepreneurs and their storycan impact and create that
ripple effect.
I mean, I'm hoping by thisstory, it's given you guys the
inspiration or the push you needto stop playing small and owning
(36:59):
your truth and yourauthenticity.
Yeah.
see what that can do for you.
Yeah.
You don't have to be anentrepreneur, but you can change
the world your own way.
SPEAKER_00 (37:06):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's like having that littlefire in your belly and you're
like, there's something morehere for me.
And actually just following thatat the same time.
I think,
SPEAKER_03 (37:16):
I think we need to listen to that more.
So yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (37:20):
Yeah.
I wonder, this is just a generalquestion.
Like what's your version ofhappiness?
And you know, I feel likethere's always a drive for more
and wanting to be more andcreate more because there's
always more, right?
Of
SPEAKER_03 (37:36):
course.
What
SPEAKER_00 (37:37):
does that mean for you?
I
SPEAKER_03 (37:40):
always talk about my future family and giving my
future family the life I neverhad and I guess that's a big why
for me and happiness to me.
Yesterday, me and Jordan were athome with our two cats and we
were looking at the water andbehind the scenes, life's not
perfect, but it was just one ofthose days where it's like,
fuck, this is beautiful.
You know, it's not always in theglitz and glam or being on
(38:02):
stage.
Like I've got happiness speakingto people in front of people.
I've got happiness here rightnow.
You know, I have happiness everyday where I'm doing or living
towards my vision is happinessin the little things with my
friends.
I just did a post about mygrowth and my lessons this month
and I reflect on just laughingand being around my people and
(38:22):
that's my happiness.
You know, I think being able tobe you, being accepted by
yourself and being loved byother people.
Like that's happiness.
SPEAKER_00 (38:31):
I saw that post.
It's great.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (38:34):
Oh my God.
Yeah.
It was a month, but it wasreally good.
SPEAKER_00 (38:38):
Yeah.
But I love it as well becauselike, I believe that every,
every interaction or experience,there's always opportunity for
growth and lessons.
And some people don't look atthem, but there's, there's
always that opportunity.
Right.
And it's
SPEAKER_02 (38:56):
like, yeah,
SPEAKER_00 (38:57):
What was the lesson here?
What was this trying to teachme?
And now I've got an opportunityto go, okay, cool, I can step
into that or I can learn fromthat.
Still learning why
SPEAKER_03 (39:06):
I was late.
Like what was the lesson thennot to be on the phone?
SPEAKER_00 (39:10):
And what was my lesson at the same time, do you
know, like for that?
I don't know.
Yeah,
SPEAKER_03 (39:15):
maybe.
Just follow the rules tomorrowor there are no rules.
SPEAKER_00 (39:20):
Rules or whatever you make them to be, right?
Yeah, exactly.
But you're right, there'slessons in every interaction.
And, yeah, there's anopportunity for you to grow
through that, whatever thatmight be.
And that's with self-reflection.
Yes.
I
SPEAKER_03 (39:36):
was like, wait till March is lessons and
SPEAKER_00 (39:38):
growth.
Oh, 100%.
Yeah.
But self-reflection is something
SPEAKER_03 (39:41):
I need to do more of.
And I think for everyone elselistening too, it doesn't have
to be like this big thing.
But, yeah, like sometimes whenyou come to the end of the
month, it's nice to go, what didI learn from this month?
What helped me to grow?
Yeah.
What am I proud of?
UNKNOWN (39:56):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (39:57):
Yeah.
I love it.
Yeah, 100%.
And it's good.
I like it that, as youmentioned, it's monthly as well
rather than you get to the endof the year where people then
go, oh, how was the year thatjust was?
But, yeah, you're getting tocelebrate those things as you go
through.
100%.
Yeah.
I
SPEAKER_03 (40:16):
think it's important.
I think it's crazy to think thatwe're going to March.
Like don't you think it's weirdthat it's nearly– Like, what the
hell?
And that's the thing.
Life just happens so quickly, Ithink.
Often if we're just focused onmore, more, more, and what you
said, it's like, okay, be in thenow.
SPEAKER_00 (40:32):
Like,
SPEAKER_03 (40:34):
what are you happy about?
SPEAKER_00 (40:35):
Yeah.
How do you be present?
Yes.
And enjoy the moment.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's so true.
I just got back from a trip fromNew Zealand and...
Yeah, you said it was beautiful.
It was very beautiful.
I went, yeah, for one of my goodgirlfriend's wedding over there.
So it was just a magical day andit was interesting, like, I get
(40:57):
super reflective when I gotravelling.
Oh, me too.
Like, just with what...
Does everything mean to me?
Am I on the right path?
Like, you know, do or what do Ineed to change?
It's like this inspiration andchange of environment, right?
And also like what I wasthinking a lot about home and
what does home mean as well?
And, you know, what's thefeeling?
(41:18):
Is it a place?
Is it people?
Exactly right.
Like what is home?
That's a big one.
yeah it is and I've realizedover the last two trips that
I've had I've really missed theGold Coast and I'm like okay
what is it about the Gold Coastthat I'm I miss and it's like it
feels like a sense of home but Ithink it's like the person that
I am here as well and I love youknow going out and experiencing
(41:41):
and stuff that I had to keep onreminding myself come back to
the present moment of where youare and have the experience and
then when you're home you'rehome like it's just yeah
SPEAKER_03 (41:50):
it's such a beautiful journey just went
through you know I love on theplane I'm the same it's like
SPEAKER_02 (41:55):
these
SPEAKER_03 (41:55):
ideas and creativity and then it's like okay like
it's it's change of environmentbut it's just nice that you come
back to I'm doing you now the nowhat's with my head the
reflection to the creativity tothis the present self
SPEAKER_00 (42:08):
yeah yeah so good um in terms of like we've spoken a
lot about change and you knowpivotal moments for you that
have created you to be thisincredible person that you are
and doing incredible things Whatwould be like a standout lesson
for you or even a piece ofadvice that you would give to
(42:30):
your younger self as well?
I
SPEAKER_03 (42:37):
think for me it was always around like trusting me
in the moment when I wasyounger.
Like I think I was always justsomeone that didn't think about
what I did.
I just did it.
And that was a really greatthing for me.
And sometimes it's not.
But sometimes we just need toallow ourselves to trust.
And, you know, I feel when I wasa little girl I just had no fear
(43:01):
and I just did so many things.
And I would tell myself, youknow, don't let people put you
in a box.
You know, my grandma did thatonce and other family members
too.
And for a while there I rememberthat my energy was so much for
people that I thought I had toput that down.
And so I would tell my youngerself, like, they're just–
(43:23):
actually threatened by yourenergy and I just needed to own
more of that you know and I'mowning more of that but energy
doesn't have to be like erraticand you can have energy and be
so powerful just by even justbeing so more grounded and so I
think that's something I andalso you know what I as a little
girl I had so much anxiety Iremember that and I think I
(43:43):
would just say to her like it'sokay you're going to be okay you
know like that's something Iremember now too.
SPEAKER_00 (43:51):
I love that.
What's one question that youwere hoping I was going to ask
today?
I don't know.
Okay, okay.
Go,
SPEAKER_03 (44:02):
go, go.
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (44:05):
Or something that you'd like to share with the
listeners like as a partinggift.
Oh, that's hard as well.
I'm
SPEAKER_03 (44:13):
going to go with the question for the next
SPEAKER_02 (44:15):
person and that is– This is hard.
What's something
SPEAKER_03 (44:30):
you're letting go of
SPEAKER_02 (44:31):
for
SPEAKER_03 (44:31):
this month?
Whether it be an identity, athing that you've been holding
on to, what are you letting goof?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (44:41):
I love that so
SPEAKER_03 (44:41):
much.
I think that was, it's good forthe theme we've had today.
SPEAKER_00 (44:44):
Yeah, absolutely.
And letting go as well, like forcontext can be what
conversations are you no longerentertaining?
Is there someone that is in yourlife that you're like, do you
know what?
They don't.
Yeah, exactly right.
And, you know, or is it I needto clean up my house and let go
of things that I'm holding ontofrom the past?
(45:07):
Like it's those things that itcan be environment as well.
Honestly, it can be what you
SPEAKER_03 (45:12):
interpret it, you know, letting go of not being
late.
Yeah.
Or okay to be late.
I can be letting go of, youknow, people-pleasing, whatever
comes to mind, letting go offear of judgment, or even
letting go of being worriedabout what people think of you
too.
SPEAKER_00 (45:29):
Such a beautiful question.
I love that.
Thanks, honey.
Thank you so much for coming onConversations That Count.
I've absolutely loved it andthink that it was so relevant in
so many ways.
It feels like it's such a themefor me at the moment is around
identity.
So I appreciate your insight.
You're owning your
SPEAKER_03 (45:46):
identity, honey.
Absolutely.
Thank you for having me,gorgeous.
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