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Tonya Shellnutt (00:13):
Welcome to
Courageous Overcomers Stories of
Hope and Healing.
I'm your host, Tonya Shullnutt.
Here we talk about hard stufftrauma, fear and pain Because,
let's be honest, so many of ushide from our pain because it's
just too hard to face.
But here's the truth we can'theal what we're not willing to
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face.
So I'm so excited Today we havea very special guest with us,
Jenita Pace, and we're going todive into her story of
overcoming.
And you guys, I really want youguys to tune in.
It's so powerful.
As the listeners know, the lastcouple weeks three weeks really
we've been talking about faith.
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We talked about barriers tofaith.
Last week we actually had Richon.
He's my husband and he talkedabout some of the struggles that
he's had in his faith journey,and so I wanted to bring Janita
on.
She was referred to me by alistener.
She's all the way up inMinnesota, so warm up there, and
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I'm from Montana originally, soI can relate to the warm
weather that you have up there.
Nevermind, janita, it's been 76here this week.
So unfair, I know, I know.
But, Jenita, I want you to takea minute to share with our
listeners your story.
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I know a little bit about yourstory.
I don't know a lot, but one ofthe things that happened to you
early on in your life after youhad gotten married was you had
begun to struggle with somedepression and you did have two
suicide attempts.
That happened and by the graceof God your husband intervened
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specifically on one of them.
But I want you to just kind ofset the table for the audience
into.
You know what began totranspire that got you to that
point.
And we'll start with that.
Jenita Pace (02:19):
Yeah, I, you know
it began right after I got
married.
And let me clarify it's notbecause of my husband.
But you know it was.
You know when you're aChristian and before depression
I never envisioned that I wouldend up where I did and we had
gotten married.
There was a lot of change inour marriage.
You know, in my life we wereyoung pastors at a church and so
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we were new in ministry youngpastors at a church, and so we
were in new in ministry.
And at some point I just startedbelieving a very dangerous lie
that I was.
I was a burden to the peoplearound me, and I felt this
because I was sleeping a lot.
I was struggling to thinkclearly, I was struggling to get
out of bed, and the more Iavoided life and the more
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difficult it became to engageevery day.
The lie just took root that myhusband would be able to do
ministry better without me, andI really began to believe that
it would be a loving thing if Itook myself out of the picture.
And so I know people oftentimesthink about suicide as being
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selfish, but as someone who'sstruggled it's a very upside
down experience where you're notthinking clearly anymore really
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believe that it would be betterif I took my own life.
And so my husband was leavingfor a Wednesday night activity
at church and I said goodbye tohim and I had everything ready
in order to execute my plan.
And, wouldn't you know it?
By the grace of God, he forgotsomething.
You know it, by the grace ofGod, he forgot something and he
turned the car around and hecame home just in time.
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But I'm telling you that wassuch a broken moment when he
walked in to find me in theprocess of that and for me to
start trying to explain to him.
Tim, you don't understand.
This is better for you.
This is important that I freeyou from this, because he had
been trying so hard to take careof me and in the process of
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that, people at the church werenot compassionate and
understanding and puttingpressure on him to have me there
.
And so, as I'm crying andtrying to explain it, he's
crying because he's recognizinghow bad this has become, and so
I was admitted to the hospitalat that point against my will.
Tonya Shellnutt (04:49):
Yeah, so tell
us a little bit about that.
I think that's important.
He wanted to take you to thehospital and you didn't want to
go and you fought him on that.
You didn't want to go at all,but he knew that he needed to
take you, so share with ourlisteners a little bit about
that experience.
Jenita Pace (05:04):
Yeah, and I
physically fought him.
I mean I fought him because Ifelt that he was not
understanding the situation andlike I saw it, and he got me to
the hospital and I dideverything to try to talk my way
out of it.
But thankfully the staff was sokind and so compassionate but
so firm and were just insistentthat this was important.
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And so as I was getting checkedinto the hospital, I mean that
is the scariest experience I'veever had in my life and I that
was I mean I've been through alot and I remember them bringing
me in and I just did not wantto go and I was crying and
begging, did not want to go andI was crying and begging and, as
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I got admitted, they take allof your personal belongings to
kind of isolate you, to kind offigure out what's going on in
your life.
But I asked them, could Iplease have a Bible?
And they said yes, and so all Ihad was the clothes on my back
and a Bible and was not allowedto see my husband or my family
during that time.
And so I don't know if you'vebeen in those situations where
you just find yourself flippingthrough the Bible.
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You don't even know what toread, and I stumbled on Psalm
121, where it talks about I liftmy eyes up to the hills when
does my help come from?
My help comes from the Lord,the maker of heaven and earth.
He doesn't sleep, he watchesover you.
And I just read that constantly, morning, noon and night.
I just carried that versearound literally and read it,
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and read it over and over again,right and after days.
You know it just, it just keptsinking in.
Tonya Shellnutt (06:37):
That's what I
needed right, and you were there
for 10 days, right?
Yes, yeah, right.
I remember when I went totreatment.
I went in because I was goingto be a controlled drinker.
They were going to show me howto be a controlled drinker and
they actually like well, you'rea lot sicker than you think you
are and they kept me for 31 days.
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So you know, my audience knowsthat I struggled with alcohol,
but you also had some addictionstruggles.
Can you share with our audience, if you feel comfortable, a
little bit about what thatlooked like and what led you up
to that point of feeling likeyou would just be better off
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dead than alive?
Jenita Pace (07:22):
Absolutely.
When I was younger, I had astomach disorder and the doctors
were giving me a prescriptionto help me with the pain and the
symptoms.
But over the years, in highschool and then into college, I
did not recognize that I becameabsolutely addicted to this
medication.
And it was.
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I know it sounds strange, butit was just out of my awareness
of how bad it was.
And my college roommate was thefirst person that said hey, you
know, I think you take thosepills way too much and you're
not using them the way youshould.
And then, when I got married,you know, my husband just said
this is a problem, and now heregrets this, but he thought he
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was helping.
Again, we're young, married,we've been, we're 20 years old.
And so he flushed all of thepills I had and just felt like,
hey, this is a thing we've gotto change now.
State was, what I had used as acrutch for years was gone.
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And so, you know, you don'trealize how much you're
depending on something untilsuddenly it's not available to
you.
And so getting in the hospitaland then realizing I don't know
how to do life without beingable to drug myself when it's
hard, I don't know how to dothis and so you know, between
being away from my family, beingin the hospital, you know, not
having the pills that I usuallyuse, it was.
It was a really roughexperience really hard Right.
Tonya Shellnutt (08:51):
So that kind of
catapulted you into reality.
And then the the not having thecrutch, and then feeling like
you would just be better offdead having the crutch, and then
feeling like you would just bebetter off dead.
Obviously, your, your husband,came in at a very divine time
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and prevented that.
So you, you went through what Icall treatment, your 10 day
treatment.
What?
What happened afterward?
What?
What kind of plan did you havein place?
What did you work through?
Tell us a little bit about that.
Jenita Pace (09:23):
Well, I got home
and I think for anyone who's
been through a similarexperience, it's just so
disorienting.
You know you get home andyou're trying to adjust back to
your life, and how do you dothat?
And everyone in the communityfinds out that you've been in
this hospital and I think theChristian community at that time
we were living in reallystruggled to understand what had
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happened, especially being inministry.
Tonya Shellnutt (09:46):
Right, cause
your husband was a pastor right
At this time.
Yes, yes.
Jenita Pace (09:51):
Okay, and so we're.
We're on staff at a smallchurch, and so we got out of the
hospital.
We really hadn't heard fromanyone at the church at that
time and then the head pastorthe lead pastor asked if he
could come visit us with theelders, and so we were expecting
them to come and maybe pray forus and talk to us about how to
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support us.
But when they arrived, thequestions turned to what do you
think you did in your life tohave this happen to you?
You know what sins are you notrepenting of?
What sins are causing this kindof emotional pain in your life,
and it was absolutelydevastating to us.
Tonya Shellnutt (10:32):
I mean, I'm
just getting teary-eyed.
Even thinking about thatcrushes my spirit in such a
profound way.
Because when you're and Ishared this, I don't know, a
couple of weeks ago, but whenyou're in that moment of
vulnerability and in pain andjust trying to navigate, you
know, I had folks at the churchour daughter had a seizure
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disorder and we were goingthrough all sorts of different
things and we had multiplepeople say well, you know what
sin is going on in your lifethat is causing, you know, her
seizures or all the problemsthat you're having.
And it was the worst thing thatthey could have ever said.
Because you're just like.
Then you internalize oh yeah,there is something wrong with me
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, what is wrong with me, and soI can relate to that.
So when that happened to you,you know, tell me, walk us
through that a little bit.
What did you guys do?
I mean, I had a mentor who wasable to help, at least guide me
to the truth and not take thaton.
But I also wasn't in ministryeither.
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So tell me a little bit aboutwhat happened after they came.
They were, you know, sayingthese things to you.
What did you do?
Jenita Pace (11:45):
after they came,
they were, you know, saying
these things to you.
What did you do?
Well, a really beautiful partof my story is that when I got
home from the hospital, I hadmessages on my voicemail from a
variety of people, but one ofthem was from a professor at the
Bible College that I wasworking at, and he just said
Janita, I know that you're goingthrough a hard time, and I just
felt compelled to call you andread this verse to you, and it
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was Psalm 121.
And I still get teary eyedbecause you think about how you
just need those moments when youjust see God.
And so he wanted me to meet hiswife.
I didn't want to meet anybody,but his wife, pat, had been
through depression on themission field, and so she came
over and she started mentoringme and she was retraining me on
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how to think about my situation,saying things like you can't
pull yourself up by yourbootstraps because right now you
don't have bootstraps.
Or she would say I know youdon't have hope, but I will
carry the hope for you while youdon't have it.
And she, I couldn't readbecause my brain wasn't working.
So she would say I know youdon't have hope, but I will
carry the hope for you while youdon't have it.
And she, I couldn't readbecause I my brain wasn't
working.
So she would tell me Biblestories and she would, you know,
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make sure I got up in themorning and she would call me
and if I wasn't out of bed shewould come get me.
And so when she found out aboutthis conversation, she was just
absolutely appalled, and it washer leadership in my life that
pulled me to understand thatthis was not what I'd been.
You know, I had actuallyprobably been more like these
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pastors.
I hate to say that, but youknow, when you don't really
understand that, people can bestrong believers and they can be
depressed and broken.
That's something that we justdon't talk about and we need to
talk more about that.
God is close to thebrokenhearted that's what the
Bible says and so that's anexpensive price to pay to be
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near him, right?
Tonya Shellnutt (13:39):
Right.
So Pat is her name right.
So Pat was very instrumental inearly on in your journey and I
know that Pat also died suddenlyafter you had gotten you know a
couple months in.
So to share with our listenersa little bit about that, because
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that in and of itself obviouslyis very devastating.
Jenita Pace (14:04):
Yeah, so we had.
She started mentoring me andabout three weeks into um her
being in my life, um Tim calledme at home and told me that she
had died suddenly.
And um, I was just, and um, Iwas just.
I was devastated and I juststarted weeping and crying.
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Um, and our mailbox was downthe road, and so I decided just
to take the dog and just go fora walk to try to calm myself
down.
And when I got to the postoffice it got to the mailbox
there was a card from her thatshe'd mailed the day the morning
she died, and it just said Ijust want to write this down to
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remind you that God has apurpose in this.
And I know you don't believe me, but it just felt like she was
speaking to me from heaven andthat she would.
I still cry about it, that shewould want to write it down, and
so I just I still didn'tbelieve it, but I had hope, and
hope carries us so much further.
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Yes, so I took that card homeand you know I still miss her to
this day.
I still think about how she'sprobably in heaven saying I told
you so she was kind of aspitfire.
She was.
She was a very short, tinywoman with a lot of energy, but,
you know, the card justreminded me from the other side
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that there was hope, there was apurpose, and we love it.
Tonya Shellnutt (15:33):
I want to
unpack it a little bit, is the
blessing of a broken heart.
You know I share with thelisteners all the time about,
you know, putting purpose to thepain, and it's very similar in
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nature.
But but let's unpack that alittle bit.
When you say the the blessingof a broken heart, what does
that mean?
Because nobody, hardly anybody,looks at a broken heart as a
blessing.
Jenita Pace (16:09):
Yeah, well, I had a
dream a few some years ago, and
again, I don't always dreamlike this, but I but I have had
a few very meaningful dreams.
And in the dream I was holdingmy heart and it slipped out of
my hands and it just shatteredall over the ground in a million
pieces.
And I was just my heart and itslipped out of my hands and it
just shattered all over theground in a million pieces, and
I was just devastated andshocked.
And then Jesus came and he wasso kind and he was so
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compassionate and he scooped upthe pieces and then we held them
together and there wasawareness that now I had pieces
to give and he would just keepfilling them, that now I had
pieces to give and he would justkeep filling them.
And so it was the beautifulpicture for me that, because of
our brokenness, we have thingsthat we can give that we never
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would be able to give otherwise,we would never be able to
understand otherwise.
And it's just such a powerfulpicture that our broken pieces
can always you know God, justlike the fish in the loaves of
the, he can just keepreplenishing, but that we have
things to offer, we have thingsto give that otherwise we
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wouldn't have.
And so you know, it's thepieces of broken brokenness that
I feel like just empower us tobe so much more to the people
around us.
Tonya Shellnutt (17:25):
Yeah, there's a
scripture verse and I know you
know this for second Corinthiansone, for he comforts us in all
our troubles.
So that we can comfort otherswhen they are troubled, we will
be able to give them the samecomfort God has given us.
And I think that you know, goesjust perfectly with the blessing
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of a broken heart.
You know, as I was early on inmy faith journey, as I was
struggling with you know, we'vebeen talking about the different
barriers of faith.
Obviously, church hurts is oneof them.
But the other one is a lot ofpeople question and I fell into
this camp of well, why would aloving God allow you know my
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birth father to abandon me or tobe sexually assaulted at a
young age, or be involved in aphysically abusive relationship,
or have you know the boyfriendcommit suicide and leave the
note?
Why would a loving God do that?
And for many years I justthought, well, god hates me, God
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doesn't love me, because if hedid, he wouldn't allow this and
I could never wrap my mindaround it.
And so, for me, I said, I tellGod all the time how I'm going
to do things.
And then he's like, yeah, okay,right, I'm like I'll serve you,
but you've got to put purposeto this pain.
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Like I, this is too much for meto comprehend, I can't
understand it.
It hurts so bad.
And if you're going to allow meto go through this and you
better figure out and this is me, of course, telling God you
better figure out how we'regoing to make this work, because
I need to have purpose to this.
Jenita Pace (19:08):
I call those
informative prayers and I give
them all the time.
I totally understand that.
I understand that you know and Ithink about it.
I don't think I could serve orfollow a God who didn't come to
the earth and choose to suffer.
I don't choose suffering formyself.
It's totally foreign to me thathe would come as a homeless
carpenter and suffer in almostevery way.
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I mean so many differentdirections and choose it, and
that's very foreign to me.
And so I think that there wasjust been a reframe in my life
that suffering is guaranteed inour faith, suffering is
guaranteed, but we do not servea God who is watching, and we
serve a God that lives inside ofus and just decides to go
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through it with us.
Tonya Shellnutt (19:57):
Right.
Speaking of putting purpose tothe pain.
And then you know, in additionto the blessing of a broken
heart, what you went throughwith your suicide attempts and
the depression actually led youon a journey in a vocational
career as a Christian counselor.
Share with our audience aboutthat, because I love that, I
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think that's so great about thatCause I love that, I think
that's so great.
You know, because really you'retaking the, the pain that that
you had um and wanting to helpothers.
So to share with us whatinspired that and um and what
you're doing with that.
Jenita Pace (20:36):
Well, I went
through a program uh, a DBT
program, which is an intensiveafter I got out of the hospital
and as I learned the principlesit's not a Christian program I
started to get excited becausethey were all biblical
principles and I told mycounselor I think I want to be a
therapist and he just, well,that's cute, that's nice, like
you know, and but no, no, I wantto.
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I want to help people and I Ikept this story quiet for many,
many years and got a master's incounseling.
And once I got out and Istarted doing counseling for
others, I realized that there'spower in story and there's power
in sitting with someone andsaying me too.
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Sitting with someone and sayingme too.
And so, yes, god has renewedthis in ways that I never
imagined.
And, like I said I, this storywent to bed in my mind and my
heart for a number of years andsat dormant and I try, I moved
forward and didn't look back.
But then there was a beautifulpoint where, just like God has
the Israelites build remindersfor things, and the rainbow is a
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reminder for him God kind ofbrought it out again and said
remember this like this is atime now where we can use this
and it can be a piece that yougive out.
So it has been transformationalin my work and that's my
encouragement to your listenerstoo is tell your stories.
Tell your stories, because Godteaches in story, uses story,
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and, and you know, we we're toldto be a witness for Jesus.
But a witness goes into acourtroom and just says what
they saw.
They're not the lawyer, theydon't defend they, just they get
up and say, hey, this is what Isaw.
And so I I would love to meetwith all of your listeners,
because I just love hearingpeople's stories.
Tonya Shellnutt (22:23):
Mm.
Hmm, yeah, I love that so muchbecause for me, that's been one
of the harder things.
Right is and I want to talkabout this too, because I know
that you felt shame in yourdepression and your suicide
attempts, and the same same forme.
It's like well, god's like okay, well, I want you to share your
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story.
And I'm like, oh, that's,that's a lot, lord, like I don't
.
People will think bad of me,people will think differently of
me, especially right now, inthis phase of life, even with
this podcast, because I was likeI don't really want to do a
podcast, lord, and there arestill days where I'm like, and
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literally this week, I have toshare this story.
I told the Lord on Monday, Iguess, after I did a recording.
I was like, lord, I don'treally think that I can keep
doing this.
It's a lot like I'm not, Idon't feel like it's, you know,
going anywhere.
Are you sure you want me to bedoing this?
Because I'm telling the wholeworld my story and, like,
everyone will know everythingabout me and and I said so, lord
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, if you really want me to keepdoing this and you know, and
it's these informative prayers,right, you send somebody to tell
me whatever.
So I got a text from a friendwho said I don't ever listen to
podcasts.
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Wow.
Tonya Shellnutt (23:44):
Your podcast
and I have.
They do ministry and she's likeI have a friend who's
struggling with what you weretalking about.
I'm going to share Wow.
I was like, okay, lord, okayI'll do it, but but there is,
you know, to to your point ofencouraging the listeners to
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share their story.
There is that shame, right,that fear of sharing your story
because people will know and,like you said, you kept it
silent for a long time becauseyou didn't want to share.
Me too.
I didn't want to tell peopleabout what had happened to me
because they would have.
I was afraid, and I still amafraid.
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I'm not going to lie.
I still get fear that peoplewill think differently of me
because of my past, but I haveto lean into what I know God is
calling me to and be courageous.
But let's talk a little bitabout that voice of shame, right
, that comes at us of tellingour story, and how do you
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encourage your clients and evenpeople in ministry to work
through that?
Jenita Pace (24:53):
It's really tough
because there is a risk you
always take when you share,because you're opening yourself
in a vulnerable way.
And, just like the pastor andthe elders who came to my house
that night, yeah, it's still amemory I could cry over, because
you see the brokenness and thevulnerability and you see the
judgment.
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And I think one piece that I'mgrateful for is that Jesus was
openly vulnerable.
He cried openly, he was scaredbefore he went to the cross.
He's very transparent in hishuman side and so he models for
us the capacity to say I can'tdo this alone.
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I have weaknesses.
And Jesus was God I mean he'sGod and yet he needed angels to
support him that night before hewent to the cross, and he was
an openly broken hearted personwith the people around him.
And so I continually try toencourage people that the God of
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the universe is totally in lovewith you and he supports
weakness so that he can bestrong.
And so for the people around usthat struggle to embrace that,
I think sometimes they haven'treally come into contact with
their own brokenness and that byus sharing our stories, we make
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it okay for them to turn aroundand see their weakness, and so
I try to reframe it that if Iencounter someone who doesn't
understand this, that they're inprocess and my story is helping
them face the process.
Tonya Shellnutt (26:57):
Yes, yes, and
you know that's another thing
that you have mentioned that Ireally like that, and that was
you.
It's OK to be.
What do we do with that?
Because I think that'ssomething that that is far more
common than not.
And people need to havepermission to just be in their
brokenness and let the Lord healthem.
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So unpack that a little bitheal them.
Jenita Pace (27:23):
So unpack that a
little bit, you know.
I think that's such a beautifulpoint because I, you know, we
hear the saying God won't giveyou more than you can handle,
which, unfortunately, is theopposite of the truth.
That, um, first of all, I don'tthink he gives these things.
I think that these are thethings that happen in our world,
and, you know, he's not thisteacher that whips out tough
lessons and then makes us workthrough it, and so trying to
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encourage people to see that Godis on a journey with you and
that there is so much importancein allowing that journey to
happen step by step or you'regoing to miss something, and
it's the step-by-step processthat is so important that we
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don't miss the beautiful littletransformations along the way.
And so I think that, for thepeople that I work with, it's
really a surrendering ofagreeing to do these hard things
with God as a Savior, doing itstep by step and taking in all
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of the little pieces along theway that you learn and you grow
Right.
But it's so painful and it's sodifficult, and there's so many
times where we just want it toend, and and I've been in that
place with a number of things inmy life, um, but then I see
that if I had hurried through it, I would have missed so many
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things.
Yeah, I think the Psalms arejust a testimony to that.
We would miss out on all thesePsalms if the writers had
hurried through their suffering,right?
Tonya Shellnutt (28:56):
So, as we get
ready to wrap up, a couple of
things.
Oftentimes I didn't come toknow Jesus until I was in my
early twenties.
I didn't, I didn't know, Ididn't grow up church, I didn't
know anything about the Bibleand I've.
I just want you to, you know,share with our listeners,
because I know there's a lot ofthem that are not on a faith
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journey.
But where would you encouragethem to start their faith
journey in the Bible?
Like what are a couple books inthe Bible that you would direct
them to?
Jenita Pace (29:29):
That's a great
question.
You know, for me the stories ofJesus are profound, because
here we have stories about whatGod looks like as a human.
So we have Jesus, who is bothhuman and God, teaching through
story, and the journey that hepresents to us is one where he
is interacting with people whoare rejects of society.
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He's not the person thateverybody dreams that he will be
, and then he suffers in allthese different capacities and
then he dies a very sacrificialdeath, all these different
capacities, and then he dies avery sacrificial death.
And so what an incredible storyof someone who exemplifies just
the deep commitment and lovethat Jesus has for us.
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And God is as personal as he isbig.
So that love story is not aboutthe world, really, it's about
the reader, and so I try toencourage that.
And then you know the Psalmsfor me, in a broken place, it's
refreshing to know that we havea whole book of real people
writing real feelings, and it'srefreshing to meditate on the
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fact that God loved to includethose real people's thoughts,
knowing that he's not afraid tohave us point the finger at him
and say where are you?
And what a loving parent to sayit's okay that you're mad at me
, and not only am I going to letyou be mad, but I'm going to
use this so that everybody knowsyou can be upset with me, I'm
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not leaving.
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Yeah, that's a
whole nother one to unpack too.
In addition to that, you have abook that can be found on
Amazon the Healing Names ofJesus, so I want to encourage
our listeners to go check thatout.
And then you're on Instagram,jenita J-E-N-I-T-A, p-a-c-e, and
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if you are in Minnesota, youcan find Jenita at Three Rivers
Counseling.
She's there and hopefully oneday we will create a cross-line
counseling for for Christiancounselors to be able to do that
.
Well, jenita, I want to thankyou so much for being here today
.
There's so much more that we aregoing to unpack at another time
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.
We're're going to come back.
We we didn't even hit some ofthe other highlights that you'll
find out.
Maybe through our readers we'llfind out more about you, but
it's just incredible.
I'm very blessed that you'veleaned into your pain and that
you have used that for purpose.
So I want to go ahead and wrapup.
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