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Tonya Shellnutt (00:10):
Well, welcome
to Courageous Overcomers.
I'm your host, tonya Shellnutt.
Wow, it has been a busy fewweeks.
I have been go, go, go, go go,so I'm so excited to be with you
guys.
We've had a lot of interviews,a lot of different topics, so
I'm just very thankful for allthe positive feedback I've
gotten from everybody, and Ihope you guys had a chance to
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listen to last week's podcast,as we had the opportunity to
interview a NASA rocket engineer.
His name is John Malura, and hetalks about his struggle with
imposter syndrome, and it reallyactually got me thinking, and
so I decided to do a monologueon it, because this is actually
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a very personal and importantquestion, because I don't
struggle with imposter syndrome,but I definitely struggle with
performance-driven living, and Ithink there's some connection
to some of that, and so it'ssomething that I want to dive
into today and kind of talkabout.
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You know, why do people, inparticular trauma survivors,
fall into performance traps andperformance-based living, and
that is definitely somethingthat I struggle with, and so I
want to talk about five corereasons why people struggle with
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this performance-based mindset,with this performance-based
mindset, and then I created alittle sheet for us to walk
through just to prompt somequestions, and this is one of
those that I thought, well gosh,I think I've really gotten over
that.
And then, as I was interviewingJohn, I was like, oh wait,
maybe I haven't, and so I wantto dive into that a little bit.
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And so one of the reasons whypeople struggle with
performance-based issuesidentity is because their worth
was questioned early on, whetherit was abuse or neglect,
betrayal.
They were told that theyweren't enough.
Trauma survivors actuallyinternalize the lie that they
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have to earn love, safety oracceptance.
And I know that, having my birthfather abandoned my mother and
I early on, you know I didn'tunderstand it obviously at the
time, but there was a deep holein my heart on that.
It was like, well, what iswrong with me?
Why did he leave?
What did I do to cause him toleave and to never, you know,
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want to reach out?
And then you have the, my mom'snew husband, my adoptive dad,
who was an alcoholic, and Idefinitely felt like I could
never do good enough.
So I would always, you know,try to earn his love by
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particularly sports.
I tried to excel in sports and,you know, if he came to a game
which was very rarely he wouldsay well, you should have done
this, you know, differently orbetter.
And so you know my worth wasdefinitely in question early on,
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and obviously with the abuseand all the many factors, and so
I learned to just hustle andachieve and prove that maybe I
would be good enough.
And so on this one, I just Istill think I struggle with I.
I I'm surrounded by incrediblyintelligent people and so
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sometimes I'm like I'm not, I'mnot smart enough for this or I'm
not good enough for this, andso I can fall into the into that
trap.
And I have to be very carefulon that, to know that, you know,
god equipped me with my skillsets and my gifts and to
remember that, not to try and besomething that I'm not, and
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that's a continual reminder.
That is a struggle.
Again, like I said, something Ihave to do all the time and
just ask the Lord to help mewith.
The other part of anotherreason why people fall into the
performance trap is thatperformance becomes a coping
mechanism.
You know, when you can'tcontrol the pain, you can
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control outcomes, andoverachieving becomes a way of
avoiding feeling powerless.
Again, it gives us self-control, identity and stability until
it doesn't really, and so youknow that's another thing I was
like recently, my husband and Iwent on vacation and we were in
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the middle of a rainstorm fortwo days and we didn't have
access to a TV, we had verylittle internet and we we just
had to sit and we laughed.
We're like gosh, we don't restvery well, and part of it is
because okay, is it?
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Because, you know, back toperformance becoming a coping
mechanism.
Do I not rest well?
Because I'm so busy trying totake the focus off of something
or trying to prove something,what is it?
And so it really I really don'trest well, and I felt very
convicted by that, and sosomething that's actually God's
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been working on me a lotrecently about this, because I
don't stop, I go, go, go, go, go, I, I, I, just I don't stop
from sunup to sundown.
And my kids will tell you that.
My husband will tell you thatmy mother-in-law, who lives with
us, will tell you that I justgo, go, go, go, go, and that you
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can't, you can't sustain thatfor too long before you get
burnt out.
And so you know it's one thingthat I have to again focus why
do I go, go, go, go, go?
What is it that I can't rest?
Well, is there, you know, Ithink, part of my thinking on
this and I'm just.
This is just a real authenticpodcast.
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I mean, god is just working onme, and so, if nothing else, if
nobody else gets anything fromthis, me and the Lord are
working on this.
But one of the things that I'vebeen working on is is there
anything that I'm trying toavoid?
Is that why I go, go, go, go,go that I'm trying to avoid?
Is that why I go, go, go, go,go?
Do I have a problem sittingwith my emotions?
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Because I do feel I haveintense emotions sometimes, and
so is it.
Do I struggle with that?
And, you know, god hasn'treally revealed that to me yet,
but I'm on this journey and I'mgoing to definitely be working
on this, because I've struggledwith this for as long as I can
remember and I suppose I'llprobably struggle with it till
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the day I die.
I think the other thing that Ithink about is that I'm so
passionate about making surethat I spend time with my family
and that I have myrelationships, that the work
that I do also is something I'mso passionate about, because I
want people to know the truth.
I want people to be set free,and I feel like we have such
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little time to make an impact,and so I'm, I don't want to ever
, you know, get to heaven andGod say well, tanya, you didn't.
You know, you missed the boat.
You should have been working onthis or doing that.
And I don't, I don't ever wantthat to happen.
And so, again, the Lord and Iare working on exactly what that
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looks like.
But the other core reason whypeople struggle with performance
is they confuse love withapproval.
In trauma, especially childhoodtrauma, love can feel
conditional.
You know, if I do well, I getpraised, if I mess up, I get
punished, and that is, that'sfor sure, something that I
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struggled with.
I can remember when I was inhigh school.
This was a pretty pivotalmoment for me.
I was in high school and I hadjust had my second knee surgery
and, mind you, I playedbasketball and softball in knee
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out and I was devastated,obviously, because my identity
was in my sports and myathleticism and I felt like
that's how I could get attentionfrom my dad.
And I came home with my reportcard and I was a.
I was a very good student and Ihad a C in PE and I'll never
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forget my dad got upset with mebecause I had a C in PE and I'm
like, dude, I've got a wholefreaking cast on my leg Are you
kidding me?
Like, what am I supposed to dowith that?
And I was just so devastatedbecause I thought, okay, I'm no
good because I have this cast onmy leg and I can't bring
anything to the table.
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And it was.
It was definitely a struggle forme and I still, you know,
struggle with that and you know,but it was ingrained in me
early on that love wasconditional and you know, I
always felt like the black sheepof my family and I know that
that was never their intent,that wasn't what they tried to
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do, especially with my aunts anduncles.
But being the only child andyou know, having my birth father
left, you know leave and mysister and brother, you know,
with their family, with my momand dad, it was just something
that that was a struggle for me.
And so, again, that's that'sjust another core issue.
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Another one is the fear ofbeing found out.
So, even when the people aresuccessful, they still carry
deep shame or unworthiness.
You know they say things likeif they really knew what I've
done, what I've been through,they wouldn't want me.
And they wear masks, they workharder, they achieve more and
they try to outrun their past.
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And I'll say, even for me doingthis podcast, I struggle with
this because I'm like, well,people are going to learn about
me, they're going to know aboutme in my, in my professional
setting.
They're going to learn aboutyou know my past and my
struggles.
And you know what, if theydon't accept me because of all
that?
That?
That's that's just stinkingthinking.
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Right, those are the thingsthat go through my head.
And so you know, I don't, Idon't wear a mask, there's no
doubt about that.
What you see is what you get.
But for sure, I do work harderand I try to achieve more.
Again, is it because I'msearching for something?
I don't really know, but Idon't think it's because I have
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a fear of being found out.
I think it's because, you know,I struggle with
performance-based acceptance.
And then I also struggle withhow much time I have left to
live and making an impact.
And you guys know if you'velistened to any of my podcasts,
losing my mom early on in lifewas a real blow to me.
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She was my best friend and Ididn't get to say and do all the
things that I wanted to do withher, and so I do take very
seriously the time that Godgives us and to make an impact,
and so so, anyway, all right.
The next one they believe restis a weakness.
Ding ding, ding, ding, ding,ding, we have a winner.
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Wow, that one is so me.
Survivors often had to be strongfor too long and rest feels
unsafe.
It, slowing down, feels selfish.
So I was just telling you guysall about this.
It's like a whole recap righthere.
But God didn't create us tolive in a constant fight or
flight.
And you know, healing saysyou're safe and you can stop
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proving and you can just be.
And I definitely think that'san area where I'm still working
on it.
I'm still working on slowingdown.
I have no idea what that lookslike.
I truly have no idea.
I'm going to have to ask theLord.
Well, what does slowing downlook like?
I don't know, because it doesfeel selfish.
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It feels like, well, we have somuch to do and so much work to
get done and, and in a shortamount of time, to make a
difference, and so you know.
Hence the reason for thepodcast.
You we gotta, we gotta helppeople.
We we need to, you know, do allthat we can to save people, and
so you know.
I guess the question is is that,if this resonates with you, I
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want to encourage you to pauseand do some journaling.
And one of the questions iswhat lie am I still trying to
prove wrong through performance?
Still trying to prove wrongthrough performance?
And so I created this littlereflection guide for you, and
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here are just some of theprompts, and if you will email
me at tonya at tonyashellnutt.
com, I'll send these over to you.
You can also go down to my, goto my website at
wwwtanyashellnutcom and send anemail over to us too.
But here's the journal promptsI want to read to you.
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What early experiences made youfeel like you had to earn love,
approval or safety?
I shared some of that with youalready on mine.
In what areas of your life doyou feel like you're performing
instead of living freely?
Ooh, that's a good one.
What lie are you still tryingto prove wrong through
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overworking or overachieving?
I'm going to do these two withyou guys, because that number
three, I'm going to really thinkabout that one.
And then number four what doesrest look like to you and why
might it feel uncomfortable orunsafe?
I can't wait to unpack that one.
I don't really know and, like Isaid, even after taking that
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vacation with my husband, it was.
It was actually really powerfulbecause we did just slow down
and you didn't have TV, your,your power went out.
Sometimes you didn't have, uh,internet, it was, it was just
quiet, and I think that'sprobably where the struggle is,
in the quiet.
So, um, okay, what truth doesGod speak over you when you feel
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unworthy or like a fraud?
Uh, 139, 13 through 14, for youwere created in my inmost being
.
You knit me together in mymother's womb.
I am fearfully and wonderfullymade Ephesians 2.10, for we are
God's masterpiece.
He has created us anew inChrist Jesus so we can do the
good things he planned for uslong ago, and y'all know this.
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You don't need to prove yourworth to God.
He already calls you and heequips you, and rest is holy and
your story is powerful and youridentity is secure.
And so I just want to encourageyou guys to go back and listen
to John's podcast last week, hisinterview and just remember
that you know you're acourageous overcomer, not
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because you've never broke down,but because you keep getting up
and rising anyway.
And if nothing else thatanybody gets from this podcast,
I just hope in some way, shapeor form, you're inspired to keep
going and to know that, despiteyour past, despite what you've
gone through, god loves you andhe wants nothing more than a
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close, intimate relationshipwith you.
So I just want you guys to knowhow much I love you and
appreciate you.
All the feedback you guys sendme is just so great.
So go to our website, share thepodcast with someone who is
struggling with performancebased acceptance or imposter
syndrome, whatever you want tocall it, because they just need
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to know they're not alone, andmaybe some of these journal
prompts will help them, and I'dlove to hear from you guys on
this.
So I hope everyone has a greatweek and we'll see you next week
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