July 6, 2025 • 47 mins
Immigrant criminal detention bar ‘too high’, ALP uses the High Court as its scapegoat, Albanese accused of hiding from Trump. Plus, where to for Iran from here.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, Von Skynes Australia. This is Danika and James.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Hello and welcome to the show coming up tonight. The
majority of Australians have had a gut full of welcome
to country ceremonies, according to a new survey.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Pauline Hanson will join us shortly.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
And here's a way to lose elections, just copy the
Labor Party. More senor liberals have added their voice to
introducing gender quotas. Barnaby Joyce will give us his take,
and the.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
UK's Glastonbury Music Festival openly calls for the deaths of
the IDFF.
Speaker 5 (00:33):
Theft, the IDF, theft, id theft, the IDF.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yeah, police are now investigating that concert. We will go
live to London for the latest.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
But first, welcome back to the program, Anika. We've mised
you've been gone four weeks.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
I've gone four weeks, been in Europe.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
It's been a wonderful holiday, but glad to be back.
Speaker 6 (00:54):
I got to say a special shout out to Frey Elitch.
You did a great job.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Filling out for you, a wonderful job.
Speaker 6 (00:59):
But it's really nice to have thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Good to be back and good to everybody again.
Speaker 6 (01:02):
Well let's get into the news.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
The Albanesi government has blamed the High Court once again
for its failure to keep dangerous non citizen former detainees
out of the community. After the High Court ruled that
criminal non citizens could not be kept in detention, the
government passed legislation so those it deemed a threat could
be redetained. But none have been redetained under those much
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heralded laws, not even one.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
And yet this morning the Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke said, oh,
the fault lay with the High Court judges.
Speaker 7 (01:34):
I keep meeting with the Department and keep asking, okay,
what people do we have at different thresholds that we
can run a case, and the information that keeps coming back,
they keep collecting. I've got a lot of resources that
I've dedicated to this. No one has come close to
reaching the threshold that is in that legislation.
Speaker 6 (01:53):
So I'm not giving up. I'm going to keep doing it.
Speaker 7 (01:56):
But I'll tell you to be honest, I would much
prefer the end viduals out of the country altogether. If
your versus cancered, you shouldn't be in Australia.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yet three months ago, the government boasted that they would
deport three of the one hundred and fifty four former
detainees to Nauru. But today mister Burke revealed even that
plan had been held up in the courts.
Speaker 6 (02:18):
For a long time. In Australia.
Speaker 7 (02:20):
If we couldn't send people back to the country of
their origin, we just put them into teention and thought, okay,
well they might stay there forever. The High Court of
said you can't do that. The High Courts made other
decisions that have put a really high threshold on preventative detention.
So my priority now is getting a pathway for these
individuals to get out of the country altogether.
Speaker 6 (02:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
The bottom line here, James, is for all of the
abit Eazy's government tough talk on keeping the community safe,
dangerous non citizens among the murderers, sex offenders and domestic
violence predators are still in the community.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
It's getting close to two years now since the High
Court ruled that non citizens couldn't be kept indefinite detention,
and that was originally about one hundred and fifty four
who released.
Speaker 6 (03:04):
Now it's up to about three hundred.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
As you said, murderers, rapists, drug traffickers among them.
Speaker 6 (03:10):
And the last government of.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Numbers I read one hundred and four out of three
hundred had re offended. Now the government have mucked this
up on every level. First, they failed to prepare for
the original High Court decision, they didn't have an adequate
response to it. Then they introduced remember electronic monitoring, which
the court deemed was unconstitutional. Then Anthony Albinzi promised that
any former detainees who breached their visa requirements would have
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a mandatory twelve months in prison. Well that was scrapped
when the government belatedly realized that they hadn't drafted legislation
that would prevent judges from exercising judicial flexibility and the
whole preemptive detaining of those considered dangerous, Well that was
ruled unconstitutional as well. And as we heard the minister say,
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they're the ones that they boasted about sending to NARU
three that's in court also.
Speaker 6 (04:02):
So at every point they have failed.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
And their continual protestations that community safety is the forefront
of all of our thinking really now does fall on
deaf eels in ears. And for Tony Birk this morning
to be saying, well, I'm going to give everything to
making sure it's I don't think we're listening anymore, because,
like I said, it's been two years and every time
they promised to do something about it, we find there's
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a flaw in that promise and we're back to square one.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Well, let's be honest, bought a security, national security. It's
never been a strong point of the Labor Party, and
I'm talking successive Labor governments.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
They've failed at every level.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
But you're right, the Albanezy government has been so slow
and so weak on this from day dot as we know.
As you said, they were caught off guard. Firstly when
the High Court first handed that decision down that was
more than a year and a half ago. And then
let's not forget the failed Andrew Giles experiment.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Now that's a name we haven't heard for it for
a long time.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
But under the failed Andrew Giles experiment, he didn't know
where the detainees were, couldn't name where they were, then
had a public hallucination said that drones were monitoring these detainees,
which ended up being a complete lie.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Drones were certainly not involved.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Some detainees have allegedly now gone on to commit a
serious crimes that the one there was a couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Ago in Melbourne.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
You recall the alleged bashing of a perf grandmother during
a violent home invasion.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
And they're only just a couple of examples.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
So we've got these preventative detention measures being rushed through
the parliament.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
You remember Labor tried desperately to get it through, get
it through so quickly, and not one application has been made, James.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
So here's my problem, right, Tony Brook can come on
TV this morning and blame the High Court.
Speaker 6 (05:38):
But you're the legislators.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
So if the legislation is such that the High Court
can then make decisions that you were not anticipating, get
the legislation right, and if you got it wrong, then
get back to Parliament draft new legislation.
Speaker 6 (05:51):
Make it happen.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
As I said, it's been almost two years and they're
still be fluffing around and to blame the High Court.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
No one is copied.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
This is the problem now that they're going on to
blame to blaming red tape. Yeah, listen to this.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
At least twenty eight former immigration detainees have been charged
with federal offenses since the reissuing of bridging visas in
twenty twenty four, and the simple reality. If we look
at this, basically, they don't belong here. These people do
not belong here. They don't deserve the right to be
in this country, and they shouldn't be here. But again
it just shows up Labour's weaknesses. And if you want to,
I just want to add this as well.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
If you want a really.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Good example of how another country in the world is
rounding up a.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Legal citizen, well, of course, look no further.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Donald Trump of the ICE Task Force and Tom Homan
in charge of it, taking a no nonsense approach.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
That is how you do it.
Speaker 6 (06:37):
Well, there's two differences there.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Number one, Trump actually believes in sovereign borders, the Albanezy
government does not.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
And second, Trump isn't.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Afraid to upset people, whereas the Albanezy government on every
front want to avoid any sort of controversy, conflict or
adverse reaction. And you can't give leadership when you're trying
to keep everybody happy.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
And that's the problem.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Well, it's a duck and wave approach, as we see
time and time again. Now let's move on because a
new poll out today has found the majority of Australians
about fifty six percent of us believe welcome to country
ceremonies are divisive.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
My thought on that is only fifty six percent.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
The Institute of Public Affairs poll of one thousand and
five people also found forty nine percent believed welcome and
acknowledgement of country should not be performed prior to sporting events,
and forty six percent said welcome to country rituals were
not appropriate at Anzac Day ceremonies.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
So if close to half of the population say welcome
or acknowledgments are not necessary at sporting or Anzac Day ceremonies,
let alone every time your domestic flight touches down, are
they really necessary before?
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Well, let's say a speech at press club.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Thank you for the warm welcome, and I'd like to
begin by acknowledging the traditional owners of the land on
which we meet today.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
Seriously.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Meanwhile, business leaders have told The Herald Son that pressure
to perform welcome and acknowledgment of country typically comes from
woke staff members.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Yeah, there's no doubt governments are pushing this too. One
leading childhood educator told the Herald Sun quote pressure to
incorporate daily acknowledgments in lessons with three and four year olds,
often through song came through government and peak body frameworks.
As I just said, I've been in Europe for the
last four weeks and I took a number of flights
to different countries. They're different airlines and not Australian airlines,
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all the local airlines. And I actually noticed that, I
thought to myself, Thank goodness, not one welcome to country,
not one acknowledgment to country, just you know, welcome to
Welcome to Rome, where the current temperature is this? Enjoy
your holiday. Yes, of course I'm going to enjoy my holiday.
And off I go get on a Quantus flight from
Rome to Perth Land. In Perth Bang, there it was, there,
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it was, And that is that is the moment James,
that I knew that the holiday was over. When I
was welcomed back to my own country and our elders past,
present and emerging were reference and that's where that's when
you know the holidays that simply over.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
But I thought this was quite interesting.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
I was surprised, as you said, it was only fifty
six percent of people that found it divisive. I actually
think it's a lot more than that, to be honest.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Because I don't know about you, but I feel like.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
The general sentiment now is people have had a gut
full of it, and a lot of people are not
willing though to come out and say, yes, I've had
enough because they're worried that they're going to be called
a racist.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
They're worried that they're going to be called a bigot.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Well, there's nothing racist, and you shouldn't be called a
bigot just for being proud of being one country and
under one flag. And the other thing is why should
we be welcomed into the country that we live in.
To me, I actually find it really offensive because it's
like saying, you're coming into my country even though I
was born here and raised here. It's like you feel
like a foreigner in your own country.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
It's not like saying that, it is saying that. That's
exactly what they're saying. That's why it's clearly divisive because
essentially it's used to make a point, and the point
being we were here before you, and you can't get
much more divisive than that. And the proof, if you
need further, is that if you don't perform an acknowledgement
of country, all hell breaks loose. So it's been obvious
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from the start that this welcome acknowledgment has been used
to make a political point. We were here first, you weren't,
and it's become something of a purity test. I mean,
we had a classic example and the week just gone
where a street sweeper at a Melbourne council was sacked
because he complained about an acknowledgement of country at the
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beginning of his toolbox meeting.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
And clearly because he.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Complained about it, he was then deemed as being well
having a character that was somehow defective, that he should
not be on council anymore. A business person told the
Herald's son today that this person was involved in a
corporate meeting every single person performed an acknowledgment of country.
The person talking to the Herald's son said.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
It was comical, and yet I got up and I
did it.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
As well because I felt so pressured from everybody else
there and when I got to.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Be polite, and when that's the problem, and.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
When you've got preschoolers and the Victorian government now our
encouragers welcome to an acknowledgment of countries for three and
four year olds at preschool. You can't tell me that's
not a purity test or an indoctrination to think a
certain way politically. It's absolutely divisive and no wonder people
are upset.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Well, it's actually indoctrinating children into these culture wars that
we're seeing. And this is why you see constant the
rallies on Australia Day. It's always a divisive day and
it's because of this indoctrination. These kids coming through the
system are basically being told that we're the enemy, that
you're the enemy of the country.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
So simple test, right, since we've been doing welcome to country,
acknowledgement of country, just just answer me this. Do you
think Australians have come together?
Speaker 8 (11:42):
No?
Speaker 6 (11:43):
Or do you think it's driven US apart?
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Driven us apart?
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I mean, look at the fractures happening in our society
right now, James. And let's not forget though, that sixty
percent of us voted no to this division, and yet
it's gone the other way.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
So when you're being welcomed and ignored with all this love,
and yet the division is getting greater and greater, maybe
there's something wrong with the welcome and the acknowledgment itself.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
I just want to point out that twenty one federal
government Department spent an average of two hundred and sixty
six dollars on each of the three hundred ceremonies.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Over the past two years.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
That is a bill of four hundred and fifty thousand
dollars of our money, of taxpayers money, to sit there
and be polite.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
And that's all it is. We just sit there, we
take it, we be polite.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
So you're saying it's not only divisive, it's a bit
of a cottage industry as well.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Clearly I think that's spot on. Well, one person who's
been saying no to this for a very very long
time is One Nation leader Pauline Hanson, and she joins
us now. Senator, nice to see you, Thanks for joining me. Look,
I'm sure you're not surprised by this survey. You've been
saying that the Welcome to country has been overdone for
years now. But realistically, what is it actually going to
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take to put an end to these Who is going.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
To be brave enough to say yes, enough is enough.
Speaker 8 (12:51):
Have very Australian out there that's got a backbone about
them and say we're not going to deal with this anymore.
Turn you back on it, as I do every time
I'm in Parliament and they do welcome the country. I
turned my back on it. I went to my grandson's
school the anniversary there and they did welcome the country.
I was the only one that turned my back on it.
With all these other parents around, I don't care. I'm
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not going to put up with this rubbish and your
stance on this. What you have said, Denika and James,
I you know you guys are so in line with
what the way that I think. Hold on minute, can
I call you guys?
Speaker 2 (13:25):
You came up by that.
Speaker 8 (13:32):
It's just ridiculous where we're going. It has been devisive
and I'm with you, Janika. There's more than fifty six
percent of the public out there or so over this,
but they are in fear of the car Rick a
bigot or racist. I totally agree with you. But if
we're going to join together as a nation, we're all
seen as Australians, we must fight back. Have you say,
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don't go along with it? That council worker good earning
for actually fighting back over it and question it. And
yet he's lost his job, He's wandered in the courts,
and I hope that they actually apologize to him and
offer his job back. But Australians, I'll tell you out there,
you are the ones. You are deciding your future and
the future of this nation. If you want to put
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up with this rubbish, this crap for then you're to
blame for it. But you have every opportunity now. Our
kids are being taught in school. You know, my grandson
came home and he was about nine at the time,
ten and he said, grandmar He said, we've got to
put our hands on the ground and do a welcome
the country. I said, no, you don't, he said, but
we have too. The teacher says, no, you don't stand
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up there and say I'm not doing it. Well, he said,
I don't want to do it. I said, then don't
do it, and he doesn't do it. So it's been
taught to it. They've been brainwashed in the educational system
right in the early childhood, even before they go to
actually grade one. This has been brainwashed. This is putting
put on to them by the activists and we are
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going along with it. Come on, wake up Australia.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
So, Senator, I've got to ask you this, If fifty
six percent of Australians at least think this is ridiculous,
it's divisive. Tell me what you thought when Susan Lay
got up at her first speech at the Press Club
and began with a welcome to country.
Speaker 6 (15:16):
What did you think when you heard that? What went
through your mind?
Speaker 8 (15:20):
I was disgusted, absolutely disgusted with it because the Liberals,
you know they're getting acknowledgments they were the ones that
actually opposed the Voice to Parliament. What a load of
rubbish that is. Because it wasn't just the Liberals that
opposed it. It was a lot of people myself like
Gary Johns, and then you had Barnaby Joyce, and you
had just Center Price, and you had a number of
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people because once the public were informed about what it
meant and changing in the constitution, people were better informed
and made their decisions about It.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Wasn't the Libs that led the whole charge on it.
Speaker 8 (15:54):
They took up this fight that we had. I was
first one to expose the impact that it was going
to have on our country by the documents that were
given to me on the Quiet by someone who found
them in a cafe in Canberra from the NIBA group.
They were there, and therefore I expose that from the
very beginning. And then it rolled out from there, So
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you know, I'm disgusted with her. She's a moderate. I
don't believe she's the right person lead the Liberal Party.
I think you need a true conservative, but she's been
dragged along by the moderates. Of course she's moderate. So anyway,
it's going to be very isshing what happens in the
next three years under Susan May. I'll tell you I
don't think she'll ask the distance. I think she'll be
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overthrown before the next election.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
And the other issue is you can't win elections. In
my opinion, if you're moderate. Moderates cannot win elections. So
you know, you either have a clear policy difference with
labor or you're just going to be floundering in the
wilderness for many, many years to come. I totally agree
with what you're saying there, Senator. Now I want to
ask you about NDS funding, because travel funding for the
scheme will be cut by fifty percent from July.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
One.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Has been some concern from regional communities in particular that
this will impact services. But look, clearly, this scheme, it's
blowing out every year year on year. You're backing these changes.
They were very generous travel allowances to begin with, weren't they.
Speaker 8 (17:14):
They were around about one hundred and ninety five dollars
an hour of travel allowances. And then on top of that,
when you're in the city areas you paid NDS. Those
providers get paid about one hundred and ninety five dollars
an hour. Then if you're remote, it's over three hundred
dollars an hour, very remote, over five hundred dollars an hour.
So they have been paid very very well on the
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INDIOS program. This is going to be cut back to
about ninety seven ninety five ninety seven dollars an hour.
That's for travel. How many Australians out there actually get
travel allowance to go to their jobs? Not many. It
is an absolute rip off. And then they say, well
the people won't go into the clinics to get the
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services they require. Do you know that this isn't talked
about very much at all? The governments provided and I'm
going back a couple of years ago that I found
out about this. They get paid about seventy five to
eighty million dollars a year in transport costs, which is
paid to clients of the NDIS. Now, whether they use
that transport or not, they get to keep the money,
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So this is another cost to the taxpayer. We are
being led dry by these ones through greed, and it's
all about what they can get out of the whole system.
That's why it is unsustainable. I will keep fighting this
all the time. I will show the irregularities, the waste
of money and the people ripping off through greed, and
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billions and billions of dollars is actually being taken out
of the system by these leeches.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Well, of course, speaking of the NDIS, you can't help
but think of our defense budget, because INDIS is almost
as large as what we're spending on defense, and the
US are insisting we're not spending anywhere near enough on that.
Anthony Albanezi is resisting all attempts to raise our spending
to anywhere near the five percent of GDP that Trump
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is demanding. I just want to quickly get your thoughts
on where that argument is at. Are you confident with
the Albanezi government in terms of where they stand on
defense spending or do you think they're leaving us dangerously exposed.
Speaker 8 (19:20):
They are leaving us dangerously exposed. We spent about fifty
seven billion a year. The ANTIIS is fifty two billion
a year grown at eight percent a year. So therefore
it will I overtake this defense spending within a year.
So anyway, my whole attitude towards this increase your defense spending.
We have to be seen that we are prepared to
defend our nation. People put up there join the defense
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forces because they are putting their lives on the line.
Why can't we give them right material whether it be
you know, missiles or frigates or boats or submarines. We
need to actually give them the items that they need
to go out there and fight for us to defend
this nation. It's neie Albernissi. He's put on and we've
got a million public servants out there. Imagine the billions
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of dollars that it costs the strewn taxpayers for that.
Yet he's not prepared to ensure that we have national security.
I agree with Trump. I try to agree with him.
If we want an ally in America, then pull our
own weight.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Good call, Senator Pauline Hanson. We always appreciate you coming
on the program. Thanks for coming on tonight.
Speaker 6 (20:25):
Well, if you're worried.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
About the direction of Western democracies, You're absolutely right to
be worried. Scenes from the UK's most famous music festival
over the weekend were absolutely shocking, to the point where
they're now being investigated by police.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
The young people at the Glastonbury Festival chanted death Death
to the IDF, as Palestinian flags were flowing throughout the
two hundred thousand strong crowd. UK bans Bob Billin and Kneecap,
who whipped up the crowd, have been put on notice
that police are investigating footage to see if hate its
speech laws have been broken.
Speaker 8 (21:00):
Free frou, Free fru Hi.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
But have you heard this one?
Speaker 5 (21:05):
No deaf theft and the IDF theft and IDF theft
and id F deaf theft and the IDF deaf theft
and id F.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
The band's lead singer, who you just saw there a
delightful chap told the crowd we are not pacifist punks
here over at Bob Villain Enterprises, we are the violent
punks because sometimes you have to get your message across
with violence, because that is the only language some people speak.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
The whole thing was broadcast live by the BBC, who
have now belatantly attempted to distance themselves from it. They
issued this statement saying some of the comments made during
Bob Villain's set were deeply offensive. During this live stream
on iPlayer, which reflected what was happening on stage, a
warning was issued on screen about the very strong and
discriminatory language. We have no plans to make the performance
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available on demand. All that settles it, name, doesn't it.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
Tell you what?
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Nothing brings people together like hate for Israel. It's amazing
how that draws people like moths to a flame. And
the irony, you can't miss it. Here's these young people
at a music festival. Music festival, now the music festival
come to mind.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Val Lesson.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Two years ago, young people just like those were mowed
down by terrorists who literally dropped out of the sky
and started shooting at them. And worse, and here they are,
no memory of recent history and completely confusing.
Speaker 6 (22:33):
The good guys with the bad guys.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
When you're chanting death to the IDF, you're chanting for
death to Jews, because the only thing that stands between
Jewish people and the anti Semites who surround them, who
want to completely erase them is the Israeli Defense Force.
Death to the IDF means Jews are left to the
mercy of those who would eradicate them from the earth.
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You might as well be chanting death to the Jews,
because it's the scene maze exactly.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
You may as well have been chanting death to the
Jews while openly praising the death cult of her Musk,
because that's essentially what this was.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
Isn't it funny they didn't death to the terrorists when
and this murdered rate kidnapped.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
No one was changing his death to the terrorists.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
But this is where the moral clarity right now around
the world is completely skewed. I mean, I just you
think back to years gone by, music festivals of years
gone by, where people were there actually openly celebrate the music.
You'd go there for the bands, you'd go, well yeah,
But look at Woodstock for example. I mean, I don't
think anyone at would stop. They were saying peace, let's
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stop the war. And now you've got people all these
years later, decades later, actually going supporting war basically because
this is what you're actually doing.
Speaker 6 (23:44):
More than supporting war. They're saying, we're not pacifist, we're
not we're violent.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
But where why has this happened? And I honestly believe
it's got to do with culture wars. We spoke about
indoctrination a short time ago. Look at the indoctrination that
is happening around the world, in every case, happening in
this country. We've got people chanting in the streets, death
to the colony. There was a march last year, Death
to the colony. Who is the colony?
Speaker 3 (24:06):
You and I?
Speaker 2 (24:06):
It's the West, It's Western civilization. And I think it
starts from the classrooms. It starts at universities. They're being
brainwashed into thinking again that the West is the enemy
here and that is part of the problem here.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Now can I say you might disagree with me on this,
because I'm probably the religious one of the tourists.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
If I can say that, I think it's the other
way around.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
I think it starts with due hatred because Israel, the
nation that brought the Word.
Speaker 6 (24:30):
Of God to humanity.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
When you rebel against Israel, it's a rebellion against God,
It's a rebellion against absolutes, et cetera, et cetera. And
then from that you hate Western civilization.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
There you get everything.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
I think it's broader than that, because this started way
before October seven, this is going back years now and
if you look at the culture.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
And anti Semitism has gone back, heism gone at the beginning.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
But I'm talking about the culture wars, and I do
believe this is a direct result of it.
Speaker 6 (24:55):
I think it's all tied together.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yeah, but I think this started before October seven. I
think that people were being in doctrine way before then
again to think that the West is the enemy.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
And that's why we see.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
We always see even on Australia Day and no we're
talking different levels here, but Australia Day people saying let
the colony fall. This is the direct problem with what
people are being taught in the classroom. I don't actually
have a problem with Glastonbury. I think it is just
so sad that now it's become a hateful place. It's
not a place where you genuinely go to enjoy the music.
It is a place to make a political point of
view and clearly incitement and that's the issue.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
And the BBC should be investigated for broadcasting that rubbish,
and the organizers should also be investigating for allowing that
to go on.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Well we're going to go.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Live to London a little later and the shows for
the latest on this, so do stay tuned. But let's
move on because it's been revealed that the Alban Eazy
government new ahead of time, though not the specific moment,
that the US would strike Iran's nuclear facilities.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
All of which makes even stranger the PM's decision to
wait twenty four hours before commenting on the strikes, and
it contradicts what Tanya Plibasek was telling ABC viewers as
recently as this morning.
Speaker 9 (25:58):
It's not an action that Australia has been involved in.
We were, you know, we've found out about it after
the fact. It's what happens next that is absolutely vital.
We have consistently said that what we want to see
in the Middle East between Israel and Iran is the ceasefire, holding,
de escalation and dialogue.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
And Tanya Plipasek was also keen to repeat the Prime
Mister's line that while they were certain Iran should not
have nuclear weapons, they were most concerned that Australians were
certain labor had nothing at all to do with the
strike against Iran.
Speaker 9 (26:34):
The Prime Minister and the Foreign Minister have made it
very clear that this was a unilateral US action coming
on top of the original original intervention of Israel. Our interest,
as a pretty small player in this conflict is to
make sure that Australians are able to get out.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Joining US now is strategic analysis. Australia Director Michael Schuber, Michael,
nice to see you again. Thank you for joining me.
Look clearly Labours or wishy washy on this. They've been
delayed all over the shop on this issue, different messaging.
The Prime Minister now claims that he knew about it,
but not when?
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Is that normal?
Speaker 10 (27:15):
Well, Denika, I think it's good that our government knew
about this beforehand, but the fact that the government knew
before it happened that the US was going to bomb
Irun makes the Prime Minister's performance even more disturbing. Let's
remember the strikes happened on a Sunday. Almost every other
world leader reacted that day. It wasn't until Monday that
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we got a stilted press conference from the Prime Minister
and he still sounded clueless and flat footed. That made
sense when we thought the whole thing had come as
a surprise to him, but knowing he had pre warning
makes his performance quite bizarre.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Yeah, absolutely, I want to ask you about the actual
issue which is a ran. Clearly, their nuclear capabilities have
been decimated to what extent there's some argument, but there's
no chance in the near future they'll have a nuclear weapon.
That's a good thing. But where does Iran go from here?
And the I tool of Donald Trump was boasting this
morning that he saved the Iya Toler's life. Where does
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Iran and their leadership go from here? What do you
see playing out?
Speaker 10 (28:24):
Well, I'm not sure that I totally common eye is
grateful to Donald Trump because America did destroy a lot
of Iran's nuclear facilities. I think the uranium regime is
now focused on internal control. It's trying to reassert its
control over the Iranian population after a deep and quite
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lengthy humiliation now and so it's arresting and repressing its
own population. And I really think it's hoping that China
is going to help it rebuild its economy and maybe
you help rearm itself, rearm it I want to.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Mention defense spending. We just spoke about this with Senator
Pauline Hansen. But Labour's obviously been called out by the
US on this. Albanese seems clueless on it here with
shadow Defense Minister Angus Taylor on Sky News this morning.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Have listen.
Speaker 11 (29:17):
If a government is not in a position to keep
its people safe, then it has failed as a government.
If a government is not in position to make the
investments necessary to achieve peace through deterrence in the region
it is in, then it has failed its people. And
it is clear from a whole range of experts right
now that we are not in the position we need
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to be with our Australian defense force, that labor is
failing us. And it is clear from Albernese's comments he
has absolutely no intention of changing this. This is a
disaster for Australians.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Michael is Angus Taylor right.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
I mean does a Prime minister even understand that we
are not in a position we're not equipped to fight
in a war.
Speaker 10 (30:01):
Well, I think it's great that Angus Taylor has broken
with the government's line that on defense, everything including the
budget is exactly as it should be. That is nonsense.
I suspect the Prime Minister and the Treasurer and the
Defense Minister know that's nonsense. They know, for example, that
they're not funding capabilities their own strategic Review recommended, like
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air and missile defense. That is so essential in today's conflict,
and they know that the budget between two and two
point three percent they're putting into defense isn't enough to
buy the defense force they plan together with nuclear submarines.
So it's good Angus Taylor recognizes that a government's first
duty is the security of its people and territory. I'd
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like the government to realize that too.
Speaker 6 (30:50):
Just one more question before we let you go.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
The IDF obviously had a great result in Iran, but
you can't help but compare and contrast with what's happening
in Gaza now. They say that Hamas leader in October seven,
mastermind Hakkam Mohammad is Isa has been killed in an
air strike, but it seems as quickly as one of
the Hamas leaders is killed, another takes his place. Where
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is Israel at in terms of their goal to eliminate
Hamas completely.
Speaker 10 (31:19):
Well, James, I think they're a bit like the Americans,
where with Osama bin Laden after nine to eleven, they
will relentlessly hunt down the Hamas leaders and operatives that
are responsible for the seventh of October atrocities. And this
is another one is there was another one that was
directly responsible.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
But you're right, their.
Speaker 10 (31:39):
Plan to stop Hamas from taking back control of Gaza
doesn't really look like it's got an endpoint to it.
Because terrorist organizations have a habit of rebuilding themselves, you
end up with younger, even more ruthless and violent leaders.
So some kind of negotiation has to happen at some point.
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But UMAs somehow has to be excluded.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Yeah, and we should point out there are still hostages
being held in Gaza as well.
Speaker 6 (32:07):
Michael Schubridge. We always appreciate your insights. Thank you so much. Well.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
Coming up after the break is the Coalition about to
copy labor and introduce gender quotas for women.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
No, here we go again.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
How offensive a woman can't get a role just based
on merit? Barnaby Joyce will have you say after the break,
welcome back to the show. Joining us now is Barnaby Joyce,
former Deputy Prime Minister and National's MP.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Barnaby.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Good to see you, Thanks for joining me. Let's start
with gender quotas. Susan Lee has told state divisions to
increase the number of women pre selected in winnable seats,
and now we see that Anne Rustin has come out
saying that they should be considered temporarily.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Do you support gender quotas, No.
Speaker 12 (32:49):
Not really, because I think you've got to be the
best person for the job, and you want to go
to that job thinking you were the best person, not
thinking I was a guy, so I got the job.
Where I was a girl, so I got the job.
You don't go to your dentists saying well, I want
gender quotas, and I'm quite happy to take another type
of I want a different type of dentists because I
want a different type of gender. You want someone when
they've got the drill in your mouth, knows what they're doing,
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and that sort of skill set. Why should it be
not the case for politics, which actually runs the whole nation.
I mean, we want to pick the best people to
run our nation. We want to make sure that no
matter what they are, if they're all women, great, if
they're all the best, if that's the best candidates. Have
a whole cabinet full of women, have we've got a
If they're all blokes.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
Well that's it.
Speaker 12 (33:30):
I just think it starts turning the most crucial job
in our nation, which is running our nation, into a
social policy. And it can't be that. It's fastly too
important for that.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
Yeah, very well, said Shadow Defensive Minister Angus Taylor, who
was of course a leadership candidate, has kept the door
open to another tilt.
Speaker 6 (33:49):
Here he was on Sky News this morning.
Speaker 11 (33:52):
You missed out by a couple of votes on the leadership.
Do you still have a leadership batting in the knapsack,
Hangus Taylor? Well, well, I do want to to lead
a defense in this country. That is that is my
job right now in terms of the shadow role, and
I would like to be the defense minister of this
great nation now.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Of course, Barnaby, no leadership aspirant ever comes out and says, yes,
I want to knock the leader off the top job
and take her place. But Susan Lay hasn't exactly got
off to a great start. Do you think she'll still
be there in three years time when we go back
to the polls. Pauline Hansen says she doesn't believe that
Susan Lee can last to the next election.
Speaker 12 (34:34):
Well, I leave that up to the Liberal Party.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
But let's be frank.
Speaker 12 (34:36):
If you ask any politician who never ask a politician
who the most best prime minister for Australia would be,
because the answer is quite obvious it's them. Always ask
them who the second best one would be, and that
way you'll get a moral us answer. Every politician has
the field Marshals Batman in their back pocket. And to
say to anybody, well, you know, would you ever like
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to have higher offers? Well, of course you would. You
back yourself in and if responsibility comes your way, accept
it and treat it with respect and do the very
best job you can. So you know, I support susan
As and even though it's nothing to do with me,
it's up to Liberal Party. And you know, and to
think that Angus and the whole range of others they
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all have aspirations to be the leader of their party
is ridiculous. Of course they would. Why wouldn't they were
they ashamed of their party? Because I'd have aspirations. But
we play this stupid little game where you've got to
sort of lie to the media and say, oh, I
know I'm holier than there. I've got no aspirations to lead,
you know, I just want to be a good little minion.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
No they don't.
Speaker 12 (35:41):
They want to lead, and so they should, and there
should be a competition for that job. And whenever the
best leader should be the person who leads the country.
And Susan has been elected. She's been elected fairly and squarely.
She's the leader and that's the position. But if you
go to ask me, I mean, I hope we win
in the next election, I really do, but I reckon
it's going to I mean it's I'm also a realist,
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and we're a long way behind and it would take
an absolutely incredible effort to win the elections. So if
that means that you're talking about who's going to the
lead the parties in six years time, well history tells
you that overwhelmingly it's different people who are there. Now.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Yeah, look, you're not wrong, and it's all fun and
games really, as you said, all games that get played. Now, look,
we're talking earlier about welcome to country ceremonies and you
survey finding that the majority of ossies believe it's overdone.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Realistically, it's another one.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Well here's another one. But barnaby, you know, the question
is what is it going to take to put an
end to these I mean, we can say yep, they're overdone,
people don't like it, but are they ever actually going
to stop?
Speaker 12 (36:47):
Well, where do they Danika, where do they come from
in the first place. I don't remember a referendum or
a vote in the Parliament about these. I mean, where
did this descend on us? Obviously it was one of
those edicts from the executive group of people that you
never see, don't know, but they said to have almighty power.
I mean, every time you scratch yourself there's a welcome
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to country. It just becomes tripe. It doesn't mean anything.
And if I was to say that every time we
do anything, we're going to say in our father first,
I think that'd be the best way to turn you
into an atheist. So don't do welcome to countries because
you're just annoying people and they become cynical of the
whole thing. It actually has a negative outcome to what
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do you want to achieve?
Speaker 6 (37:30):
Yeah, I don't think you're wrong about that at all, Barnaby.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
We're seeing a pushback, and the pushback is directly proportionate
to how much this is thrust upon people.
Speaker 6 (37:39):
It's absolutely true.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Yeah, Barnaby Joyce, good to chat with you as always.
Thank you so much for joining us on the show
this evening.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Appreciate it. And plenty more coming up on tonight's Mega show.
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We'll start with us coming up after the break, UK
Prime Minister Keir Starmer announces the toughest migration pracked down
in a generation and then backflips.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
We'll go live to Tom Slater for that and more
in just a moment. Welcome back to the program. We'll
joining us now live from London is Spiked Online editor
Tom Slater.
Speaker 6 (38:39):
Tom, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
I want to start with the fallout from the Glastonbury
Music Festival. Obviously that's all over the news in the UK.
After Death to the IDF was chanted by artist Bob Villan,
Just to remind viewers, here's what happened at the festival,
and keep in mind this would broadcast live by the BBC.
Speaker 5 (39:02):
Through frough free through Free tru But have you heard
this one thoughf theft to the id theft and the
IDF deft to the id F.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Deaf theft to the id F.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Deaf theft the id F.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
So Tom, just fill us in on the reaction in
the UK, because I think the government have come out
very upset about this. The BBC are in all sorts
of trouble, and that's before we get to the artist
in question. Just give us the latest on this.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
No, there is water will outrage and concern about this, rightly.
So if you've got people chanting slogans like that to
a pact audience of people at Glastonbury Festival, it does
evoke some of the worst moments in human history. Shall
we say that the way in which this kind of
anti Israel bigotry has become so mainstream, so accepted and Glastonbury,
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as you exactly rightly say, it's something like Wimbledon is
broadcast across the BBC every single year. This is a
kind of key cultural moment, and yet you've essentially got
the BBC giving a platform to a form of woke
anti Israel bigotry which is bordering on the range. So
I can't imagine what it must be like for British
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Jews in this country at the moment, who can turn
on their televisions watching Glastonbury of a Saturday afternoon and
see people chanting to murder people who are defending the
Jewish state from its Islamist enemies. It's absolutely sickening. But
I can't say I'm anything more than shocked but not
surprised by where we've ended up with this.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
And Tom, what does this say more broadly about the
cultural issues now we've got in our society? I mean,
whatever happened to go into a music festival just to
enjoy the music, and bear in mind, this is supposed
to be the so called tolerant left who attends these
sorts of festivals.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
But more broadly, what does it say?
Speaker 1 (40:56):
I think it says that a lot of the kind
of cultural elites, a lot of what passes for supposedly
countercultural pop music and so on these days, has just
become completely lost to this new form of bigotry and intolerance.
I don't think there's any two ways to say about that.
People say, oh, he was chanting about the IDF, this
is a trick that her mass us. Incidentally, they say
that all civilians pretty much are fair game, but because
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of national service, therefore their military targets. So we've got
to recognize the scale of what we're dealing with here.
And one of the things that I find so concerning
about it is how unthinking this is. On top of
those chants, he also chanted from the River to the Sea,
Palestine will be free, a call for the destruction of
Israel and the ethnic cleansing of Jews, whether he realized
it or not. And you've got people who, to be
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perfectly frank probably haven't thought a hell of a lot
about this issue, blively singing along with that in their
tens of thousands. So I think it shows just how
deep this problem, this sickness in our society has become,
and we really need to confront it. If watching tens
of thousands of people on television chanting those slogans isn't
enough to make us really take this issue seriously, I know,
what will.
Speaker 4 (42:00):
I mean if you were a Jew living in London
you'd be reconsidering whether it's a safe place to live.
I want to show you a tweet by an Australian journalist,
Latika Burke, who kind of got it right but got
it really wrong. She wrote, watch Maga go nuts about this.
This will be a huge story in the UK, possibly globally.
Unbelievable to see this sort of speech.
Speaker 6 (42:19):
Glorified and cheered.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
So I agree with the last thing she said, it's
unbelievable to see this sort of speech glorified and cheered.
But for her to say, watch Maga go nuts about this,
this isn't a left versus right issue. This is an
evil versus every decent person on the earth?
Speaker 6 (42:36):
Issue?
Speaker 12 (42:36):
Is it not?
Speaker 1 (42:38):
No? Absolutely, And that's one thing that we've got to
get abundantly clear in all of this. I mean, I
understand that because of the way the kind of culture
warpans out, sometimes it's for some reason become right wing
coded to want to stick up for Jews when they're
facing this kind of intolerance, when they're facing the constant
denunciation of Israel, when they're seeing people minimize the crimes
committed against them. How that ended up being a right
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wing coded position? I have absolutely no idea. The one
thing she is also right about there though, is politically
this is going to move a lot of people towards
in this country, towards the Reform Party. It wouldn't surprise
me if those images showed up in a future party
political broadcast. But again, this is not a political football.
The states are much higher than that. Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
I want to ask you about reform actually in a moment,
but I just want to talk to you about migration
because last month Keir Starmer announced the toughest migration crackdown
in a generation, promising to slash numbers and fix Britain
Britain's borders.
Speaker 13 (43:29):
This is what he said, we were becoming an island
of strangers that encourages some businesses to bring in lower
paid workers rather than invest in our young people. So yes,
I believe in this. I believe we need to reduce
immigration significantly.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
Well, g Tom, what a different six weeks makes.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
He's now had a change of heart and claims that
he deeply regrets his island of strangers comment, And does
he want to fix migration or not?
Speaker 1 (44:00):
I mean, this just completely explodes the idea that he
believes in this. As he was saying there, but also
that he believes in anything. I mean. That speech was
a fascinating litmus test. I think for Keir Starmer, he
had to talk about the key issue for so many voters,
the key issue that is turning so many people against
his parties. It presides over this horrendous situation of uncontrolled,
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illegal and legal migration. And as soon as he got
a little bit of blowback because people took over the
top of fence to one particular phrase, he's all of
a sudden does and about Turney goes from saying I
believe this over and over again to saying in that
interview with the Observer where this u turn has appeared
that he didn't even really read the speech properly. So
I think it shows that it doesn't take the biggest
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issue in the country seriously at all. And also I
think it's a reminder, as many of us suspected that
there's not really much this man believes in at all,
apart from the fact he would quite like to continue
to be Prime Minister. That seems to be it. So
this is not the sort of person you want running
a country, particularly at a very difficult time.
Speaker 6 (44:56):
Shall we say, is this Tom.
Speaker 4 (44:57):
Unfortunately, there's a lot of people just like that running
a lot of countries at the moment, particularly in the West.
You mentioned Reform Party. I want to ask you about
Nigel Farage. He's outlined his plan for taking power, but
he said in an article published in the UK Times,
if I can't give young men a voice, wait till
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what comes after me.
Speaker 6 (45:20):
What does he mean by that? And does he have
a point?
Speaker 1 (45:23):
I mean is an interesting point because as you're seeing,
not just in the UK US I'm sure it's true
in Australia as well, is that young men in particular
are trending much more rightwards. It seems as a bit
of a kind of split between the sexes on this,
and I think he's making a very interesting point, which
is to say, it's not necessarily that it's all about him.
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But if a party like Reform cannot speak to those
concerns which the younger generations are twegging on to as
much as anyone else about questions of migration, most culturalism,
the way in which the country is changing without the
people who are already here necessarily having a say in that,
then people are going to start casting around for alternatives
and the alternatives could be more extreme, could be more
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genuinely unpleasant. So I think this is a point that
Nigel Farah was trying to make a virtual out throughout
his career, which is to say that if you don't
deal with these things from what he would consider a
center right position, then you can't really complain when something
more extreme pops up. So whether or not it's true,
whether night it's all about him necessarily, I think he
makes an interesting point about why you've got to listen
to these concerns if you don't want them to curdle
into something a little bit darker.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
No, it's interesting, Tom.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
I was just in London a couple of weeks ago
and I had a taxi driver there say to me,
I don't.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
Like Nigel Feraj. He's really really racist.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
Can't stand the bloke. But why do you think that
he is starting to make ground.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
I think it's a mix of things. Obviously, it's the
crumbling of the two main parties has allowed this space
for reform to come through the way in which that
is completely imploded. I also think he's unlike Kirstarmer, he's
been pretty consistent on questions of the European Union, on immigration.
That counts for a hell of a lot, particularly when
immigration has become such a flashpoint issue, and he does
just have that ability to connect with people, maybe not
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your cab driver the think but other people around the country.
It's been striking, in particular over the last few years,
how many kind of the younger generations are really becoming
attached him. I believe his TikTok following is bigger than
all of the other MP's and the houses in the
House of Commons combined. Not that everything is on social media,
not that elections are won or lost there, but you
see how things are moving and it is in his
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direction to He's gone from a point of always been
the kind of gad fly on the outside of politics
to potentially being the leader of the largest parties. What
turn around that would have been?
Speaker 2 (47:31):
Yeah, well, I mean that's where the young people are
on TikTok, that's the generation you do want to target.
I completely agree, Tom Slider. Really great to speak with you.
Thanks so much for joining us on the show this evening.
Appreciate it. Thank you for joining us on to Dacre
and Jay were back again next Sunday at seven pm.
Speaker 6 (47:44):
Stick Around.
Speaker 4 (47:45):
It's time for it to make Keller bond with the
Sunday Showdown in just a moment,
Hi, Von Skynes Australia. This is Danika and James.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Hello and welcome to the show coming up tonight. The
majority of Australians have had a gut full of welcome
to country ceremonies, according to a new survey.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Pauline Hanson will join us shortly.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
And here's a way to lose elections, just copy the
Labor Party. More senor liberals have added their voice to
introducing gender quotas. Barnaby Joyce will give us his take,
and the.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
UK's Glastonbury Music Festival openly calls for the deaths of
the IDFF.
Speaker 5 (00:33):
Theft, the IDF, theft, id theft, the IDF.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yeah, police are now investigating that concert. We will go
live to London for the latest.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
But first, welcome back to the program, Anika. We've mised
you've been gone four weeks.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
I've gone four weeks, been in Europe.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
It's been a wonderful holiday, but glad to be back.
Speaker 6 (00:54):
I got to say a special shout out to Frey Elitch.
You did a great job.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Filling out for you, a wonderful job.
Speaker 6 (00:59):
But it's really nice to have thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Good to be back and good to everybody again.
Speaker 6 (01:02):
Well let's get into the news.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
The Albanesi government has blamed the High Court once again
for its failure to keep dangerous non citizen former detainees
out of the community. After the High Court ruled that
criminal non citizens could not be kept in detention, the
government passed legislation so those it deemed a threat could
be redetained. But none have been redetained under those much
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heralded laws, not even one.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
And yet this morning the Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke said, oh,
the fault lay with the High Court judges.
Speaker 7 (01:34):
I keep meeting with the Department and keep asking, okay,
what people do we have at different thresholds that we
can run a case, and the information that keeps coming back,
they keep collecting. I've got a lot of resources that
I've dedicated to this. No one has come close to
reaching the threshold that is in that legislation.
Speaker 6 (01:53):
So I'm not giving up. I'm going to keep doing it.
Speaker 7 (01:56):
But I'll tell you to be honest, I would much
prefer the end viduals out of the country altogether. If
your versus cancered, you shouldn't be in Australia.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yet three months ago, the government boasted that they would
deport three of the one hundred and fifty four former
detainees to Nauru. But today mister Burke revealed even that
plan had been held up in the courts.
Speaker 6 (02:18):
For a long time. In Australia.
Speaker 7 (02:20):
If we couldn't send people back to the country of
their origin, we just put them into teention and thought, okay,
well they might stay there forever. The High Court of
said you can't do that. The High Courts made other
decisions that have put a really high threshold on preventative detention.
So my priority now is getting a pathway for these
individuals to get out of the country altogether.
Speaker 6 (02:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
The bottom line here, James, is for all of the
abit Eazy's government tough talk on keeping the community safe,
dangerous non citizens among the murderers, sex offenders and domestic
violence predators are still in the community.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
It's getting close to two years now since the High
Court ruled that non citizens couldn't be kept indefinite detention,
and that was originally about one hundred and fifty four
who released.
Speaker 6 (03:04):
Now it's up to about three hundred.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
As you said, murderers, rapists, drug traffickers among them.
Speaker 6 (03:10):
And the last government of.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Numbers I read one hundred and four out of three
hundred had re offended. Now the government have mucked this
up on every level. First, they failed to prepare for
the original High Court decision, they didn't have an adequate
response to it. Then they introduced remember electronic monitoring, which
the court deemed was unconstitutional. Then Anthony Albinzi promised that
any former detainees who breached their visa requirements would have
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a mandatory twelve months in prison. Well that was scrapped
when the government belatedly realized that they hadn't drafted legislation
that would prevent judges from exercising judicial flexibility and the
whole preemptive detaining of those considered dangerous, Well that was
ruled unconstitutional as well. And as we heard the minister say,
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they're the ones that they boasted about sending to NARU
three that's in court also.
Speaker 6 (04:02):
So at every point they have failed.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
And their continual protestations that community safety is the forefront
of all of our thinking really now does fall on
deaf eels in ears. And for Tony Birk this morning
to be saying, well, I'm going to give everything to
making sure it's I don't think we're listening anymore, because,
like I said, it's been two years and every time
they promised to do something about it, we find there's
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a flaw in that promise and we're back to square one.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Well, let's be honest, bought a security, national security. It's
never been a strong point of the Labor Party, and
I'm talking successive Labor governments.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
They've failed at every level.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
But you're right, the Albanezy government has been so slow
and so weak on this from day dot as we know.
As you said, they were caught off guard. Firstly when
the High Court first handed that decision down that was
more than a year and a half ago. And then
let's not forget the failed Andrew Giles experiment.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Now that's a name we haven't heard for it for
a long time.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
But under the failed Andrew Giles experiment, he didn't know
where the detainees were, couldn't name where they were, then
had a public hallucination said that drones were monitoring these detainees,
which ended up being a complete lie.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Drones were certainly not involved.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Some detainees have allegedly now gone on to commit a
serious crimes that the one there was a couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Ago in Melbourne.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
You recall the alleged bashing of a perf grandmother during
a violent home invasion.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
And they're only just a couple of examples.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
So we've got these preventative detention measures being rushed through
the parliament.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
You remember Labor tried desperately to get it through, get
it through so quickly, and not one application has been made, James.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
So here's my problem, right, Tony Brook can come on
TV this morning and blame the High Court.
Speaker 6 (05:38):
But you're the legislators.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
So if the legislation is such that the High Court
can then make decisions that you were not anticipating, get
the legislation right, and if you got it wrong, then
get back to Parliament draft new legislation.
Speaker 6 (05:51):
Make it happen.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
As I said, it's been almost two years and they're
still be fluffing around and to blame the High Court.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
No one is copied.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
This is the problem now that they're going on to
blame to blaming red tape. Yeah, listen to this.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
At least twenty eight former immigration detainees have been charged
with federal offenses since the reissuing of bridging visas in
twenty twenty four, and the simple reality. If we look
at this, basically, they don't belong here. These people do
not belong here. They don't deserve the right to be
in this country, and they shouldn't be here. But again
it just shows up Labour's weaknesses. And if you want to,
I just want to add this as well.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
If you want a really.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Good example of how another country in the world is
rounding up a.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Legal citizen, well, of course, look no further.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Donald Trump of the ICE Task Force and Tom Homan
in charge of it, taking a no nonsense approach.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
That is how you do it.
Speaker 6 (06:37):
Well, there's two differences there.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Number one, Trump actually believes in sovereign borders, the Albanezy
government does not.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
And second, Trump isn't.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Afraid to upset people, whereas the Albanezy government on every
front want to avoid any sort of controversy, conflict or
adverse reaction. And you can't give leadership when you're trying
to keep everybody happy.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
And that's the problem.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Well, it's a duck and wave approach, as we see
time and time again. Now let's move on because a
new poll out today has found the majority of Australians
about fifty six percent of us believe welcome to country
ceremonies are divisive.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
My thought on that is only fifty six percent.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
The Institute of Public Affairs poll of one thousand and
five people also found forty nine percent believed welcome and
acknowledgement of country should not be performed prior to sporting events,
and forty six percent said welcome to country rituals were
not appropriate at Anzac Day ceremonies.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
So if close to half of the population say welcome
or acknowledgments are not necessary at sporting or Anzac Day ceremonies,
let alone every time your domestic flight touches down, are
they really necessary before?
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Well, let's say a speech at press club.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Thank you for the warm welcome, and I'd like to
begin by acknowledging the traditional owners of the land on
which we meet today.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
Seriously.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Meanwhile, business leaders have told The Herald Son that pressure
to perform welcome and acknowledgment of country typically comes from
woke staff members.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Yeah, there's no doubt governments are pushing this too. One
leading childhood educator told the Herald Sun quote pressure to
incorporate daily acknowledgments in lessons with three and four year olds,
often through song came through government and peak body frameworks.
As I just said, I've been in Europe for the
last four weeks and I took a number of flights
to different countries. They're different airlines and not Australian airlines,
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all the local airlines. And I actually noticed that, I
thought to myself, Thank goodness, not one welcome to country,
not one acknowledgment to country, just you know, welcome to
Welcome to Rome, where the current temperature is this? Enjoy
your holiday. Yes, of course I'm going to enjoy my holiday.
And off I go get on a Quantus flight from
Rome to Perth Land. In Perth Bang, there it was, there,
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it was, And that is that is the moment James,
that I knew that the holiday was over. When I
was welcomed back to my own country and our elders past,
present and emerging were reference and that's where that's when
you know the holidays that simply over.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
But I thought this was quite interesting.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
I was surprised, as you said, it was only fifty
six percent of people that found it divisive. I actually
think it's a lot more than that, to be honest.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Because I don't know about you, but I feel like.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
The general sentiment now is people have had a gut
full of it, and a lot of people are not
willing though to come out and say, yes, I've had
enough because they're worried that they're going to be called
a racist.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
They're worried that they're going to be called a bigot.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Well, there's nothing racist, and you shouldn't be called a
bigot just for being proud of being one country and
under one flag. And the other thing is why should
we be welcomed into the country that we live in.
To me, I actually find it really offensive because it's
like saying, you're coming into my country even though I
was born here and raised here. It's like you feel
like a foreigner in your own country.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
It's not like saying that, it is saying that. That's
exactly what they're saying. That's why it's clearly divisive because
essentially it's used to make a point, and the point
being we were here before you, and you can't get
much more divisive than that. And the proof, if you
need further, is that if you don't perform an acknowledgement
of country, all hell breaks loose. So it's been obvious
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from the start that this welcome acknowledgment has been used
to make a political point. We were here first, you weren't,
and it's become something of a purity test. I mean,
we had a classic example and the week just gone
where a street sweeper at a Melbourne council was sacked
because he complained about an acknowledgement of country at the
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beginning of his toolbox meeting.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
And clearly because he.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Complained about it, he was then deemed as being well
having a character that was somehow defective, that he should
not be on council anymore. A business person told the
Herald's son today that this person was involved in a
corporate meeting every single person performed an acknowledgment of country.
The person talking to the Herald's son said.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
It was comical, and yet I got up and I
did it.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
As well because I felt so pressured from everybody else
there and when I got to.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Be polite, and when that's the problem, and.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
When you've got preschoolers and the Victorian government now our
encouragers welcome to an acknowledgment of countries for three and
four year olds at preschool. You can't tell me that's
not a purity test or an indoctrination to think a
certain way politically. It's absolutely divisive and no wonder people
are upset.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Well, it's actually indoctrinating children into these culture wars that
we're seeing. And this is why you see constant the
rallies on Australia Day. It's always a divisive day and
it's because of this indoctrination. These kids coming through the
system are basically being told that we're the enemy, that
you're the enemy of the country.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
So simple test, right, since we've been doing welcome to country,
acknowledgement of country, just just answer me this. Do you
think Australians have come together?
Speaker 8 (11:42):
No?
Speaker 6 (11:43):
Or do you think it's driven US apart?
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Driven us apart?
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I mean, look at the fractures happening in our society
right now, James. And let's not forget though, that sixty
percent of us voted no to this division, and yet
it's gone the other way.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
So when you're being welcomed and ignored with all this love,
and yet the division is getting greater and greater, maybe
there's something wrong with the welcome and the acknowledgment itself.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
I just want to point out that twenty one federal
government Department spent an average of two hundred and sixty
six dollars on each of the three hundred ceremonies.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Over the past two years.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
That is a bill of four hundred and fifty thousand
dollars of our money, of taxpayers money, to sit there
and be polite.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
And that's all it is. We just sit there, we
take it, we be polite.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
So you're saying it's not only divisive, it's a bit
of a cottage industry as well.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Clearly I think that's spot on. Well, one person who's
been saying no to this for a very very long
time is One Nation leader Pauline Hanson, and she joins
us now. Senator, nice to see you, Thanks for joining me. Look,
I'm sure you're not surprised by this survey. You've been
saying that the Welcome to country has been overdone for
years now. But realistically, what is it actually going to
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take to put an end to these Who is going.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
To be brave enough to say yes, enough is enough.
Speaker 8 (12:51):
Have very Australian out there that's got a backbone about
them and say we're not going to deal with this anymore.
Turn you back on it, as I do every time
I'm in Parliament and they do welcome the country. I
turned my back on it. I went to my grandson's
school the anniversary there and they did welcome the country.
I was the only one that turned my back on it.
With all these other parents around, I don't care. I'm
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not going to put up with this rubbish and your
stance on this. What you have said, Denika and James,
I you know you guys are so in line with
what the way that I think. Hold on minute, can
I call you guys?
Speaker 2 (13:25):
You came up by that.
Speaker 8 (13:32):
It's just ridiculous where we're going. It has been devisive
and I'm with you, Janika. There's more than fifty six
percent of the public out there or so over this,
but they are in fear of the car Rick a
bigot or racist. I totally agree with you. But if
we're going to join together as a nation, we're all
seen as Australians, we must fight back. Have you say,
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don't go along with it? That council worker good earning
for actually fighting back over it and question it. And
yet he's lost his job, He's wandered in the courts,
and I hope that they actually apologize to him and
offer his job back. But Australians, I'll tell you out there,
you are the ones. You are deciding your future and
the future of this nation. If you want to put
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up with this rubbish, this crap for then you're to
blame for it. But you have every opportunity now. Our
kids are being taught in school. You know, my grandson
came home and he was about nine at the time,
ten and he said, grandmar He said, we've got to
put our hands on the ground and do a welcome
the country. I said, no, you don't, he said, but
we have too. The teacher says, no, you don't stand
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up there and say I'm not doing it. Well, he said,
I don't want to do it. I said, then don't
do it, and he doesn't do it. So it's been
taught to it. They've been brainwashed in the educational system
right in the early childhood, even before they go to
actually grade one. This has been brainwashed. This is putting
put on to them by the activists and we are
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going along with it. Come on, wake up Australia.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
So, Senator, I've got to ask you this, If fifty
six percent of Australians at least think this is ridiculous,
it's divisive. Tell me what you thought when Susan Lay
got up at her first speech at the Press Club
and began with a welcome to country.
Speaker 6 (15:16):
What did you think when you heard that? What went
through your mind?
Speaker 8 (15:20):
I was disgusted, absolutely disgusted with it because the Liberals,
you know they're getting acknowledgments they were the ones that
actually opposed the Voice to Parliament. What a load of
rubbish that is. Because it wasn't just the Liberals that
opposed it. It was a lot of people myself like
Gary Johns, and then you had Barnaby Joyce, and you
had just Center Price, and you had a number of
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people because once the public were informed about what it
meant and changing in the constitution, people were better informed
and made their decisions about It.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Wasn't the Libs that led the whole charge on it.
Speaker 8 (15:54):
They took up this fight that we had. I was
first one to expose the impact that it was going
to have on our country by the documents that were
given to me on the Quiet by someone who found
them in a cafe in Canberra from the NIBA group.
They were there, and therefore I expose that from the
very beginning. And then it rolled out from there, So
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you know, I'm disgusted with her. She's a moderate. I
don't believe she's the right person lead the Liberal Party.
I think you need a true conservative, but she's been
dragged along by the moderates. Of course she's moderate. So anyway,
it's going to be very isshing what happens in the
next three years under Susan May. I'll tell you I
don't think she'll ask the distance. I think she'll be
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overthrown before the next election.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
And the other issue is you can't win elections. In
my opinion, if you're moderate. Moderates cannot win elections. So
you know, you either have a clear policy difference with
labor or you're just going to be floundering in the
wilderness for many, many years to come. I totally agree
with what you're saying there, Senator. Now I want to
ask you about NDS funding, because travel funding for the
scheme will be cut by fifty percent from July.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
One.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Has been some concern from regional communities in particular that
this will impact services. But look, clearly, this scheme, it's
blowing out every year year on year. You're backing these changes.
They were very generous travel allowances to begin with, weren't they.
Speaker 8 (17:14):
They were around about one hundred and ninety five dollars
an hour of travel allowances. And then on top of that,
when you're in the city areas you paid NDS. Those
providers get paid about one hundred and ninety five dollars
an hour. Then if you're remote, it's over three hundred
dollars an hour, very remote, over five hundred dollars an hour.
So they have been paid very very well on the
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INDIOS program. This is going to be cut back to
about ninety seven ninety five ninety seven dollars an hour.
That's for travel. How many Australians out there actually get
travel allowance to go to their jobs? Not many. It
is an absolute rip off. And then they say, well
the people won't go into the clinics to get the
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services they require. Do you know that this isn't talked
about very much at all? The governments provided and I'm
going back a couple of years ago that I found
out about this. They get paid about seventy five to
eighty million dollars a year in transport costs, which is
paid to clients of the NDIS. Now, whether they use
that transport or not, they get to keep the money,
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So this is another cost to the taxpayer. We are
being led dry by these ones through greed, and it's
all about what they can get out of the whole system.
That's why it is unsustainable. I will keep fighting this
all the time. I will show the irregularities, the waste
of money and the people ripping off through greed, and
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billions and billions of dollars is actually being taken out
of the system by these leeches.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Well, of course, speaking of the NDIS, you can't help
but think of our defense budget, because INDIS is almost
as large as what we're spending on defense, and the
US are insisting we're not spending anywhere near enough on that.
Anthony Albanezi is resisting all attempts to raise our spending
to anywhere near the five percent of GDP that Trump
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is demanding. I just want to quickly get your thoughts
on where that argument is at. Are you confident with
the Albanezi government in terms of where they stand on
defense spending or do you think they're leaving us dangerously exposed.
Speaker 8 (19:20):
They are leaving us dangerously exposed. We spent about fifty
seven billion a year. The ANTIIS is fifty two billion
a year grown at eight percent a year. So therefore
it will I overtake this defense spending within a year.
So anyway, my whole attitude towards this increase your defense spending.
We have to be seen that we are prepared to
defend our nation. People put up there join the defense
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forces because they are putting their lives on the line.
Why can't we give them right material whether it be
you know, missiles or frigates or boats or submarines. We
need to actually give them the items that they need
to go out there and fight for us to defend
this nation. It's neie Albernissi. He's put on and we've
got a million public servants out there. Imagine the billions
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of dollars that it costs the strewn taxpayers for that.
Yet he's not prepared to ensure that we have national security.
I agree with Trump. I try to agree with him.
If we want an ally in America, then pull our
own weight.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Good call, Senator Pauline Hanson. We always appreciate you coming
on the program. Thanks for coming on tonight.
Speaker 6 (20:25):
Well, if you're worried.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
About the direction of Western democracies, You're absolutely right to
be worried. Scenes from the UK's most famous music festival
over the weekend were absolutely shocking, to the point where
they're now being investigated by police.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
The young people at the Glastonbury Festival chanted death Death
to the IDF, as Palestinian flags were flowing throughout the
two hundred thousand strong crowd. UK bans Bob Billin and Kneecap,
who whipped up the crowd, have been put on notice
that police are investigating footage to see if hate its
speech laws have been broken.
Speaker 8 (21:00):
Free frou, Free fru Hi.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
But have you heard this one?
Speaker 5 (21:05):
No deaf theft and the IDF theft and IDF theft
and id F deaf theft and the IDF deaf theft
and id F.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
The band's lead singer, who you just saw there a
delightful chap told the crowd we are not pacifist punks
here over at Bob Villain Enterprises, we are the violent
punks because sometimes you have to get your message across
with violence, because that is the only language some people speak.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
The whole thing was broadcast live by the BBC, who
have now belatantly attempted to distance themselves from it. They
issued this statement saying some of the comments made during
Bob Villain's set were deeply offensive. During this live stream
on iPlayer, which reflected what was happening on stage, a
warning was issued on screen about the very strong and
discriminatory language. We have no plans to make the performance
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available on demand. All that settles it, name, doesn't it.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
Tell you what?
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Nothing brings people together like hate for Israel. It's amazing
how that draws people like moths to a flame. And
the irony, you can't miss it. Here's these young people
at a music festival. Music festival, now the music festival
come to mind.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Val Lesson.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Two years ago, young people just like those were mowed
down by terrorists who literally dropped out of the sky
and started shooting at them. And worse, and here they are,
no memory of recent history and completely confusing.
Speaker 6 (22:33):
The good guys with the bad guys.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
When you're chanting death to the IDF, you're chanting for
death to Jews, because the only thing that stands between
Jewish people and the anti Semites who surround them, who
want to completely erase them is the Israeli Defense Force.
Death to the IDF means Jews are left to the
mercy of those who would eradicate them from the earth.
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You might as well be chanting death to the Jews,
because it's the scene maze exactly.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
You may as well have been chanting death to the
Jews while openly praising the death cult of her Musk,
because that's essentially what this was.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
Isn't it funny they didn't death to the terrorists when
and this murdered rate kidnapped.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
No one was changing his death to the terrorists.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
But this is where the moral clarity right now around
the world is completely skewed. I mean, I just you
think back to years gone by, music festivals of years
gone by, where people were there actually openly celebrate the music.
You'd go there for the bands, you'd go, well yeah,
But look at Woodstock for example. I mean, I don't
think anyone at would stop. They were saying peace, let's
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stop the war. And now you've got people all these
years later, decades later, actually going supporting war basically because
this is what you're actually doing.
Speaker 6 (23:44):
More than supporting war. They're saying, we're not pacifist, we're
not we're violent.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
But where why has this happened? And I honestly believe
it's got to do with culture wars. We spoke about
indoctrination a short time ago. Look at the indoctrination that
is happening around the world, in every case, happening in
this country. We've got people chanting in the streets, death
to the colony. There was a march last year, Death
to the colony. Who is the colony?
Speaker 3 (24:06):
You and I?
Speaker 2 (24:06):
It's the West, It's Western civilization. And I think it
starts from the classrooms. It starts at universities. They're being
brainwashed into thinking again that the West is the enemy
here and that is part of the problem here.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Now can I say you might disagree with me on this,
because I'm probably the religious one of the tourists.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
If I can say that, I think it's the other
way around.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
I think it starts with due hatred because Israel, the
nation that brought the Word.
Speaker 6 (24:30):
Of God to humanity.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
When you rebel against Israel, it's a rebellion against God,
It's a rebellion against absolutes, et cetera, et cetera. And
then from that you hate Western civilization.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
There you get everything.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
I think it's broader than that, because this started way
before October seven, this is going back years now and
if you look at the culture.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
And anti Semitism has gone back, heism gone at the beginning.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
But I'm talking about the culture wars, and I do
believe this is a direct result of it.
Speaker 6 (24:55):
I think it's all tied together.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yeah, but I think this started before October seven. I
think that people were being in doctrine way before then
again to think that the West is the enemy.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
And that's why we see.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
We always see even on Australia Day and no we're
talking different levels here, but Australia Day people saying let
the colony fall. This is the direct problem with what
people are being taught in the classroom. I don't actually
have a problem with Glastonbury. I think it is just
so sad that now it's become a hateful place. It's
not a place where you genuinely go to enjoy the music.
It is a place to make a political point of
view and clearly incitement and that's the issue.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
And the BBC should be investigated for broadcasting that rubbish,
and the organizers should also be investigating for allowing that
to go on.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Well we're going to go.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Live to London a little later and the shows for
the latest on this, so do stay tuned. But let's
move on because it's been revealed that the Alban Eazy
government new ahead of time, though not the specific moment,
that the US would strike Iran's nuclear facilities.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
All of which makes even stranger the PM's decision to
wait twenty four hours before commenting on the strikes, and
it contradicts what Tanya Plibasek was telling ABC viewers as
recently as this morning.
Speaker 9 (25:58):
It's not an action that Australia has been involved in.
We were, you know, we've found out about it after
the fact. It's what happens next that is absolutely vital.
We have consistently said that what we want to see
in the Middle East between Israel and Iran is the ceasefire, holding,
de escalation and dialogue.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
And Tanya Plipasek was also keen to repeat the Prime
Mister's line that while they were certain Iran should not
have nuclear weapons, they were most concerned that Australians were
certain labor had nothing at all to do with the
strike against Iran.
Speaker 9 (26:34):
The Prime Minister and the Foreign Minister have made it
very clear that this was a unilateral US action coming
on top of the original original intervention of Israel. Our interest,
as a pretty small player in this conflict is to
make sure that Australians are able to get out.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Joining US now is strategic analysis. Australia Director Michael Schuber, Michael,
nice to see you again. Thank you for joining me.
Look clearly Labours or wishy washy on this. They've been
delayed all over the shop on this issue, different messaging.
The Prime Minister now claims that he knew about it,
but not when?
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Is that normal?
Speaker 10 (27:15):
Well, Denika, I think it's good that our government knew
about this beforehand, but the fact that the government knew
before it happened that the US was going to bomb
Irun makes the Prime Minister's performance even more disturbing. Let's
remember the strikes happened on a Sunday. Almost every other
world leader reacted that day. It wasn't until Monday that
(27:39):
we got a stilted press conference from the Prime Minister
and he still sounded clueless and flat footed. That made
sense when we thought the whole thing had come as
a surprise to him, but knowing he had pre warning
makes his performance quite bizarre.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Yeah, absolutely, I want to ask you about the actual
issue which is a ran. Clearly, their nuclear capabilities have
been decimated to what extent there's some argument, but there's
no chance in the near future they'll have a nuclear weapon.
That's a good thing. But where does Iran go from here?
And the I tool of Donald Trump was boasting this
morning that he saved the Iya Toler's life. Where does
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Iran and their leadership go from here? What do you
see playing out?
Speaker 10 (28:24):
Well, I'm not sure that I totally common eye is
grateful to Donald Trump because America did destroy a lot
of Iran's nuclear facilities. I think the uranium regime is
now focused on internal control. It's trying to reassert its
control over the Iranian population after a deep and quite
(28:48):
lengthy humiliation now and so it's arresting and repressing its
own population. And I really think it's hoping that China
is going to help it rebuild its economy and maybe
you help rearm itself, rearm it I want to.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Mention defense spending. We just spoke about this with Senator
Pauline Hansen. But Labour's obviously been called out by the
US on this. Albanese seems clueless on it here with
shadow Defense Minister Angus Taylor on Sky News this morning.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Have listen.
Speaker 11 (29:17):
If a government is not in a position to keep
its people safe, then it has failed as a government.
If a government is not in position to make the
investments necessary to achieve peace through deterrence in the region
it is in, then it has failed its people. And
it is clear from a whole range of experts right
now that we are not in the position we need
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to be with our Australian defense force, that labor is
failing us. And it is clear from Albernese's comments he
has absolutely no intention of changing this. This is a
disaster for Australians.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Michael is Angus Taylor right.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
I mean does a Prime minister even understand that we
are not in a position we're not equipped to fight
in a war.
Speaker 10 (30:01):
Well, I think it's great that Angus Taylor has broken
with the government's line that on defense, everything including the
budget is exactly as it should be. That is nonsense.
I suspect the Prime Minister and the Treasurer and the
Defense Minister know that's nonsense. They know, for example, that
they're not funding capabilities their own strategic Review recommended, like
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air and missile defense. That is so essential in today's conflict,
and they know that the budget between two and two
point three percent they're putting into defense isn't enough to
buy the defense force they plan together with nuclear submarines.
So it's good Angus Taylor recognizes that a government's first
duty is the security of its people and territory. I'd
(30:47):
like the government to realize that too.
Speaker 6 (30:50):
Just one more question before we let you go.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
The IDF obviously had a great result in Iran, but
you can't help but compare and contrast with what's happening
in Gaza now. They say that Hamas leader in October seven,
mastermind Hakkam Mohammad is Isa has been killed in an
air strike, but it seems as quickly as one of
the Hamas leaders is killed, another takes his place. Where
(31:13):
is Israel at in terms of their goal to eliminate
Hamas completely.
Speaker 10 (31:19):
Well, James, I think they're a bit like the Americans,
where with Osama bin Laden after nine to eleven, they
will relentlessly hunt down the Hamas leaders and operatives that
are responsible for the seventh of October atrocities. And this
is another one is there was another one that was
directly responsible.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
But you're right, their.
Speaker 10 (31:39):
Plan to stop Hamas from taking back control of Gaza
doesn't really look like it's got an endpoint to it.
Because terrorist organizations have a habit of rebuilding themselves, you
end up with younger, even more ruthless and violent leaders.
So some kind of negotiation has to happen at some point.
(31:59):
But UMAs somehow has to be excluded.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Yeah, and we should point out there are still hostages
being held in Gaza as well.
Speaker 6 (32:07):
Michael Schubridge. We always appreciate your insights. Thank you so much. Well.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
Coming up after the break is the Coalition about to
copy labor and introduce gender quotas for women.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
No, here we go again.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
How offensive a woman can't get a role just based
on merit? Barnaby Joyce will have you say after the break,
welcome back to the show. Joining us now is Barnaby Joyce,
former Deputy Prime Minister and National's MP.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Barnaby.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Good to see you, Thanks for joining me. Let's start
with gender quotas. Susan Lee has told state divisions to
increase the number of women pre selected in winnable seats,
and now we see that Anne Rustin has come out
saying that they should be considered temporarily.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Do you support gender quotas, No.
Speaker 12 (32:49):
Not really, because I think you've got to be the
best person for the job, and you want to go
to that job thinking you were the best person, not
thinking I was a guy, so I got the job.
Where I was a girl, so I got the job.
You don't go to your dentists saying well, I want
gender quotas, and I'm quite happy to take another type
of I want a different type of dentists because I
want a different type of gender. You want someone when
they've got the drill in your mouth, knows what they're doing,
(33:10):
and that sort of skill set. Why should it be
not the case for politics, which actually runs the whole nation.
I mean, we want to pick the best people to
run our nation. We want to make sure that no
matter what they are, if they're all women, great, if
they're all the best, if that's the best candidates. Have
a whole cabinet full of women, have we've got a
If they're all blokes.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
Well that's it.
Speaker 12 (33:30):
I just think it starts turning the most crucial job
in our nation, which is running our nation, into a
social policy. And it can't be that. It's fastly too
important for that.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
Yeah, very well, said Shadow Defensive Minister Angus Taylor, who
was of course a leadership candidate, has kept the door
open to another tilt.
Speaker 6 (33:49):
Here he was on Sky News this morning.
Speaker 11 (33:52):
You missed out by a couple of votes on the leadership.
Do you still have a leadership batting in the knapsack,
Hangus Taylor? Well, well, I do want to to lead
a defense in this country. That is that is my
job right now in terms of the shadow role, and
I would like to be the defense minister of this
great nation now.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Of course, Barnaby, no leadership aspirant ever comes out and says, yes,
I want to knock the leader off the top job
and take her place. But Susan Lay hasn't exactly got
off to a great start. Do you think she'll still
be there in three years time when we go back
to the polls. Pauline Hansen says she doesn't believe that
Susan Lee can last to the next election.
Speaker 12 (34:34):
Well, I leave that up to the Liberal Party.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
But let's be frank.
Speaker 12 (34:36):
If you ask any politician who never ask a politician
who the most best prime minister for Australia would be,
because the answer is quite obvious it's them. Always ask
them who the second best one would be, and that
way you'll get a moral us answer. Every politician has
the field Marshals Batman in their back pocket. And to
say to anybody, well, you know, would you ever like
(34:58):
to have higher offers? Well, of course you would. You
back yourself in and if responsibility comes your way, accept
it and treat it with respect and do the very
best job you can. So you know, I support susan
As and even though it's nothing to do with me,
it's up to Liberal Party. And you know, and to
think that Angus and the whole range of others they
(35:19):
all have aspirations to be the leader of their party
is ridiculous. Of course they would. Why wouldn't they were
they ashamed of their party? Because I'd have aspirations. But
we play this stupid little game where you've got to
sort of lie to the media and say, oh, I
know I'm holier than there. I've got no aspirations to lead,
you know, I just want to be a good little minion.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
No they don't.
Speaker 12 (35:41):
They want to lead, and so they should, and there
should be a competition for that job. And whenever the
best leader should be the person who leads the country.
And Susan has been elected. She's been elected fairly and squarely.
She's the leader and that's the position. But if you
go to ask me, I mean, I hope we win
in the next election, I really do, but I reckon
it's going to I mean it's I'm also a realist,
(36:03):
and we're a long way behind and it would take
an absolutely incredible effort to win the elections. So if
that means that you're talking about who's going to the
lead the parties in six years time, well history tells
you that overwhelmingly it's different people who are there. Now.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Yeah, look, you're not wrong, and it's all fun and
games really, as you said, all games that get played. Now, look,
we're talking earlier about welcome to country ceremonies and you
survey finding that the majority of ossies believe it's overdone.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Realistically, it's another one.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Well here's another one. But barnaby, you know, the question
is what is it going to take to put an
end to these I mean, we can say yep, they're overdone,
people don't like it, but are they ever actually going
to stop?
Speaker 12 (36:47):
Well, where do they Danika, where do they come from
in the first place. I don't remember a referendum or
a vote in the Parliament about these. I mean, where
did this descend on us? Obviously it was one of
those edicts from the executive group of people that you
never see, don't know, but they said to have almighty power.
I mean, every time you scratch yourself there's a welcome
(37:08):
to country. It just becomes tripe. It doesn't mean anything.
And if I was to say that every time we
do anything, we're going to say in our father first,
I think that'd be the best way to turn you
into an atheist. So don't do welcome to countries because
you're just annoying people and they become cynical of the
whole thing. It actually has a negative outcome to what
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do you want to achieve?
Speaker 6 (37:30):
Yeah, I don't think you're wrong about that at all, Barnaby.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
We're seeing a pushback, and the pushback is directly proportionate
to how much this is thrust upon people.
Speaker 6 (37:39):
It's absolutely true.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Yeah, Barnaby Joyce, good to chat with you as always.
Thank you so much for joining us on the show
this evening.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Appreciate it. And plenty more coming up on tonight's Mega show.
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We'll start with us coming up after the break, UK
Prime Minister Keir Starmer announces the toughest migration pracked down
in a generation and then backflips.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
We'll go live to Tom Slater for that and more
in just a moment. Welcome back to the program. We'll
joining us now live from London is Spiked Online editor
Tom Slater.
Speaker 6 (38:39):
Tom, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
I want to start with the fallout from the Glastonbury
Music Festival. Obviously that's all over the news in the UK.
After Death to the IDF was chanted by artist Bob Villan,
Just to remind viewers, here's what happened at the festival,
and keep in mind this would broadcast live by the BBC.
Speaker 5 (39:02):
Through frough free through Free tru But have you heard
this one thoughf theft to the id theft and the
IDF deft to the id F.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Deaf theft to the id F.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Deaf theft the id F.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
So Tom, just fill us in on the reaction in
the UK, because I think the government have come out
very upset about this. The BBC are in all sorts
of trouble, and that's before we get to the artist
in question. Just give us the latest on this.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
No, there is water will outrage and concern about this, rightly.
So if you've got people chanting slogans like that to
a pact audience of people at Glastonbury Festival, it does
evoke some of the worst moments in human history. Shall
we say that the way in which this kind of
anti Israel bigotry has become so mainstream, so accepted and Glastonbury,
(39:58):
as you exactly rightly say, it's something like Wimbledon is
broadcast across the BBC every single year. This is a
kind of key cultural moment, and yet you've essentially got
the BBC giving a platform to a form of woke
anti Israel bigotry which is bordering on the range. So
I can't imagine what it must be like for British
(40:20):
Jews in this country at the moment, who can turn
on their televisions watching Glastonbury of a Saturday afternoon and
see people chanting to murder people who are defending the
Jewish state from its Islamist enemies. It's absolutely sickening. But
I can't say I'm anything more than shocked but not
surprised by where we've ended up with this.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
And Tom, what does this say more broadly about the
cultural issues now we've got in our society? I mean,
whatever happened to go into a music festival just to
enjoy the music, and bear in mind, this is supposed
to be the so called tolerant left who attends these
sorts of festivals.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
But more broadly, what does it say?
Speaker 1 (40:56):
I think it says that a lot of the kind
of cultural elites, a lot of what passes for supposedly
countercultural pop music and so on these days, has just
become completely lost to this new form of bigotry and intolerance.
I don't think there's any two ways to say about that.
People say, oh, he was chanting about the IDF, this
is a trick that her mass us. Incidentally, they say
that all civilians pretty much are fair game, but because
(41:18):
of national service, therefore their military targets. So we've got
to recognize the scale of what we're dealing with here.
And one of the things that I find so concerning
about it is how unthinking this is. On top of
those chants, he also chanted from the River to the Sea,
Palestine will be free, a call for the destruction of
Israel and the ethnic cleansing of Jews, whether he realized
it or not. And you've got people who, to be
(41:40):
perfectly frank probably haven't thought a hell of a lot
about this issue, blively singing along with that in their
tens of thousands. So I think it shows just how
deep this problem, this sickness in our society has become,
and we really need to confront it. If watching tens
of thousands of people on television chanting those slogans isn't
enough to make us really take this issue seriously, I know,
what will.
Speaker 4 (42:00):
I mean if you were a Jew living in London
you'd be reconsidering whether it's a safe place to live.
I want to show you a tweet by an Australian journalist,
Latika Burke, who kind of got it right but got
it really wrong. She wrote, watch Maga go nuts about this.
This will be a huge story in the UK, possibly globally.
Unbelievable to see this sort of speech.
Speaker 6 (42:19):
Glorified and cheered.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
So I agree with the last thing she said, it's
unbelievable to see this sort of speech glorified and cheered.
But for her to say, watch Maga go nuts about this,
this isn't a left versus right issue. This is an
evil versus every decent person on the earth?
Speaker 6 (42:36):
Issue?
Speaker 12 (42:36):
Is it not?
Speaker 1 (42:38):
No? Absolutely, And that's one thing that we've got to
get abundantly clear in all of this. I mean, I
understand that because of the way the kind of culture
warpans out, sometimes it's for some reason become right wing
coded to want to stick up for Jews when they're
facing this kind of intolerance, when they're facing the constant
denunciation of Israel, when they're seeing people minimize the crimes
committed against them. How that ended up being a right
(42:59):
wing coded position? I have absolutely no idea. The one
thing she is also right about there though, is politically
this is going to move a lot of people towards
in this country, towards the Reform Party. It wouldn't surprise
me if those images showed up in a future party
political broadcast. But again, this is not a political football.
The states are much higher than that. Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
I want to ask you about reform actually in a moment,
but I just want to talk to you about migration
because last month Keir Starmer announced the toughest migration crackdown
in a generation, promising to slash numbers and fix Britain
Britain's borders.
Speaker 13 (43:29):
This is what he said, we were becoming an island
of strangers that encourages some businesses to bring in lower
paid workers rather than invest in our young people. So yes,
I believe in this. I believe we need to reduce
immigration significantly.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
Well, g Tom, what a different six weeks makes.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
He's now had a change of heart and claims that
he deeply regrets his island of strangers comment, And does
he want to fix migration or not?
Speaker 1 (44:00):
I mean, this just completely explodes the idea that he
believes in this. As he was saying there, but also
that he believes in anything. I mean. That speech was
a fascinating litmus test. I think for Keir Starmer, he
had to talk about the key issue for so many voters,
the key issue that is turning so many people against
his parties. It presides over this horrendous situation of uncontrolled,
(44:20):
illegal and legal migration. And as soon as he got
a little bit of blowback because people took over the
top of fence to one particular phrase, he's all of
a sudden does and about Turney goes from saying I
believe this over and over again to saying in that
interview with the Observer where this u turn has appeared
that he didn't even really read the speech properly. So
I think it shows that it doesn't take the biggest
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issue in the country seriously at all. And also I
think it's a reminder, as many of us suspected that
there's not really much this man believes in at all,
apart from the fact he would quite like to continue
to be Prime Minister. That seems to be it. So
this is not the sort of person you want running
a country, particularly at a very difficult time.
Speaker 6 (44:56):
Shall we say, is this Tom.
Speaker 4 (44:57):
Unfortunately, there's a lot of people just like that running
a lot of countries at the moment, particularly in the West.
You mentioned Reform Party. I want to ask you about
Nigel Farage. He's outlined his plan for taking power, but
he said in an article published in the UK Times,
if I can't give young men a voice, wait till
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what comes after me.
Speaker 6 (45:20):
What does he mean by that? And does he have
a point?
Speaker 1 (45:23):
I mean is an interesting point because as you're seeing,
not just in the UK US I'm sure it's true
in Australia as well, is that young men in particular
are trending much more rightwards. It seems as a bit
of a kind of split between the sexes on this,
and I think he's making a very interesting point, which
is to say, it's not necessarily that it's all about him.
(45:44):
But if a party like Reform cannot speak to those
concerns which the younger generations are twegging on to as
much as anyone else about questions of migration, most culturalism,
the way in which the country is changing without the
people who are already here necessarily having a say in that,
then people are going to start casting around for alternatives
and the alternatives could be more extreme, could be more
(46:07):
genuinely unpleasant. So I think this is a point that
Nigel Farah was trying to make a virtual out throughout
his career, which is to say that if you don't
deal with these things from what he would consider a
center right position, then you can't really complain when something
more extreme pops up. So whether or not it's true,
whether night it's all about him necessarily, I think he
makes an interesting point about why you've got to listen
to these concerns if you don't want them to curdle
into something a little bit darker.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
No, it's interesting, Tom.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
I was just in London a couple of weeks ago
and I had a taxi driver there say to me,
I don't.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
Like Nigel Feraj. He's really really racist.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
Can't stand the bloke. But why do you think that
he is starting to make ground.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
I think it's a mix of things. Obviously, it's the
crumbling of the two main parties has allowed this space
for reform to come through the way in which that
is completely imploded. I also think he's unlike Kirstarmer, he's
been pretty consistent on questions of the European Union, on immigration.
That counts for a hell of a lot, particularly when
immigration has become such a flashpoint issue, and he does
just have that ability to connect with people, maybe not
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your cab driver the think but other people around the country.
It's been striking, in particular over the last few years,
how many kind of the younger generations are really becoming
attached him. I believe his TikTok following is bigger than
all of the other MP's and the houses in the
House of Commons combined. Not that everything is on social media,
not that elections are won or lost there, but you
see how things are moving and it is in his
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direction to He's gone from a point of always been
the kind of gad fly on the outside of politics
to potentially being the leader of the largest parties. What
turn around that would have been?
Speaker 2 (47:31):
Yeah, well, I mean that's where the young people are
on TikTok, that's the generation you do want to target.
I completely agree, Tom Slider. Really great to speak with you.
Thanks so much for joining us on the show this evening.
Appreciate it. Thank you for joining us on to Dacre
and Jay were back again next Sunday at seven pm.
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.