Danica De Giorgio | 11 July

A Gazan woman on a visa is taken into detention after a security risk ruling, serious findings of misconduct, violence and intimidation against the Queensland CFMEU. Plus, Kevin Rudd and Donald Trump's secretive meeting.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Live on Skyn's Australia. This is to Nika di Georgio.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Hello and welcome to the program coming up tonight.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
Finally some action as a Gazen woman on a visa
is taken into detention after a security risk ruling. Right
on cue, the usual mob were out to protest this
perceived injustice, serious findings of misconduct, violence and intimidation against
the Queensland CFMU. So what on earth was the previous
Queensland labor government doing dolling out thousands for their legal defense?

Speaker 2 (00:34):
The former Union.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Watchdog will try to provide answers and oh to be
a fly on the wall at Kevin Rudd and Donald
Trump's secretive meeting.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
So what do we actually know. I'll get to that
in just a moment. But first tonight we knew it
would happen, and it has.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Labour's headed out thousands of visas to Gazans, largely unchecked,
and it has backfired. It could now be about to
face a test of its willingness to make tough decisions
to protect our national security and our values. A sixty
one year old woman from Gaza has been detained following
a pre dawn raid on her Bankstown home in Sydney's

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southwest after she was deemed a security risk by ASIO.
The Daily Telegraph is reporting Maha al Masri was taken
to Villawood Immigration Detention Center yesterday and that she was
here on a bridging visa, which was canceled as she
had failed the visa's character test. A Department of Home
Affairs letter seen by The Daily Telegraph states that it

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was provided with an adverse security assessment by ASIO, which
said the agency assessed Miss al Masri to be directly
or indirectly.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
A risk to security.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
The document said, taking into account the above information, miss
our Mystery does not.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Pass the character test and look.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
At the same time, her family and supporters, including children Dan,
protested outside the office of Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke.
One person was even seen to be wearing a T
shirt bearing that hideous chant that seems to have been
imported into the country since Glastonbury of death to the
IDF as they protested her innocence.

Speaker 4 (02:18):
Their refugees to Gaza. They were from the Abbasia, which
is an area next to occupied Pelviv. They were a
pack there by the Zionist Jewish extremists and were forced
to flee to Gaza. The extremists haven't finished their genocide
as they contindered in twenty three, so she became a

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refuge again to Australia.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Look, I'm not sure what good they think they're doing
to her cause there now. The reasons for her detention
are not known, but Asio does not make these decisions lightly.
We do not know if she was part of the
three thousand Gazans who were handed visa by visas by
Labor last year with little to know security checks, and
the Prime Minister would not provide those details today.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
So we had a brief on the.

Speaker 5 (03:06):
Actually of rest of Sydney with the sixty one year
old Palestinian women, Basturi visas canceled.

Speaker 6 (03:12):
And one threat sheet post yes I had.

Speaker 7 (03:17):
Version no because we don't talk about national security issues
and briefing.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
She evenly denies that she's a threat to You have
anyone to add to that none.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
Now, putting this case aside, Labor has a lot of
questions to answer about the types of people it has
let into this country. There was always going to be
problems with handing out visas to people from war zones.
When Labor gave visas to three thousand gardens and cut
corners with little to no vetting. It imported a huge

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security risk into our country. Almost three and four Palestinians
believe the October seven attack by Hamas on Israel was correct.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Seventy two percent backed.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Hamasa's rampage where twelve hundred Jews were murdered and raped
and hundreds were taken hostage. But Labour still put our
national security at risk, no doubt, to try and pick
up Muslim votes at the federal election. So much so
Tony Burke previously said he would not send anyone back
to Gaza.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Well, Minister, toughen up and start making some tough decisions.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
We can sympathize with innocent civilians caught up in the
Middle East conflict, absolutely, but in the end we have
to protect our own country, we have to protect our
national security and.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
We have to protect our values.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
We have not done that since October seven, twenty twenty three,
and what's happened since Jewish Australians have been targeted day in.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Day out.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
Our streets have been hijacked by anti Israel protesters. Hate
preachers have openly celebrated the murders of Jews. And flags
of terror groups have been so brazenly flown. What has
happened to this country? If people are brought here with
open arms, who pose a threat to us, they do
not deserve to be here. Labor has the powers under

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the Migration Act allready send them home. How much longer
can Labor keep up its renewables only facad Major renewables
projects are crumbling day by day. The sector is plagued
by delays and cancelations. Our bills, as we know, are
going up, and it's causing irreparable self harm via an

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experiment of transmission lines, giant wind turbines, green hydrogen, solo
farms and batteries, all with environmental consequences and all costing
US a bomb. And now the renewables only experiment has
hit yet another hurdle. Almost every large solar farm in
the Southeastern States will be forced to switch off at

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least one third of the power they generate by twenty
twenty seven as delays to critical energy transition projects cause
major bottlenecks on the electricity grid. Now, that's according to
a new report by the Australian Energy Market Operator, which
also reveals that the slow rollout of key poles and
wire projects in Victoria will severely limit the amount of

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power big renewables projects can produce to replace Australia's soon
to be shuttered coal plants. And it means what we
already knew, our race to renewables is happening back to front.
We are shutting down coal plants with no plan B
for energy and generation to keep the lights on in

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this country. Australia needs ten thousand kilometers of high voltage
transmission lines by twenty fifty as part of Labour's renewables transition,
but the project is so far behind only half of
it will be delivered in the next decade.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
And look, the cost will.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Inevitably, as we've been warned, be passed on to us
as consumers, on top of every other energy increase under Labor.

Speaker 8 (07:04):
The problem is that Chris Bowenes made a complete mess
of our electricity transition. Everywhere you look, it's a mess.
And the one thing that he doesn't want to answer
is what is the cost?

Speaker 3 (07:20):
Well, if we want to look at the costs, what
we do know is our bills are skyrocketing. From July one,
we copped a ten percent increase and if you're with
Snowy Hydro's Red energy and electricity retailer owned by the
federal government. It has just jacked up prices across the
country by fifteen percent in New South Wales, adding an
average of three hundred and thirty dollars to annual bills,

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three point eight percent in Victoria, and if you're in
Queensland it's at five point four percent.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
But it's okay.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
Apparently you and I are, of course helping to pay
for each other's bills under this government.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Check your power bill, Check your power bill. Check your
power bill, Check your power bil check your power bill.
We're taking one hundred and.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
Fifty Well, whatever happened to two hundred and seventy five dollars?
And where is the Minister in charge of the mess,
Chris Goland?

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Where is he?

Speaker 3 (08:10):
Well, he's touring the Pacific to reinforce Labour's commitment to
climate action and progress discussions on our bid to host
Climate Change Conference COP thirty one in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
That's terrific. That'll solve all of the problems.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Well, we finally have details about a meeting Kevin Rudd
had with Donald Trump in January. The Department of Foreign
Affairs and Trades, says Ambassattor. Rudd met President Trump in
the dining room of the Trump International Golf Club in
West Palm Beach, Florida, on January eleven, twenty twenty five.
Defat was responding there to questions put forward by Liberal

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Senator James Patterson. But gee, wouldn't you love to have
been a fly on the wall? And what did Kevin
Rudd say? Hi, mister President. I know I called you
the village idiot, but I come in peace, please, let's dine.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
I mean, did he rock up unannounced? Was it planned?

Speaker 3 (09:02):
Or was he I don't know, loitering around the golf
course hoping to bump.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Into the president.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
One of our former ambassadors to the US, Arthur Sinnadinis,
has given an insight into what might have.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
Occurred in this case.

Speaker 9 (09:16):
Kevin may well have been introducing himself saying Hi, I
don't know that they did anything secret, particularly in the
dining room in West Palm Beach. It's a pretty public
place to be doing anything secret. I think it w've
been just a bit of a meet and greet and
a good opportunity for Kevin to meet the president.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
Yeah, to meet the man that he trashed publicly. The
coalition is asking for more information, So I.

Speaker 10 (09:39):
Want to know what was discussed. I want to know
who instigated it. I wanted to know what action items
were to lead from it. Did they just bump into
each other at the nineteenth hole or were they comparing
each other's backswings or was it a serious discussion about
Australia America relations.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
Well, clearly the dining room diplomacy did nothing to help
Australia America relation. Donald Trump has already slapped tariffs on
US and is now threatening more, this time on pharmaceuticals,
and pharmaceuticals are one of our largest exports to the
United States.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Ucas is at risk.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
The Pentagon is considering making Australia pay more for submarines,
and of course Anthony Arbernezi still can't get a meeting
with the US president. So really, we know nothing about
what went down in the dining room. We know about
as much as we do about when our PM plans
to catch up with Donald Trump himself.

Speaker 11 (10:31):
Oh, when we have a meeting, we'll have a meeting,
and when it's scheduled that will occur. Well, of course
we will meetings, so'll be a range of meetings between.

Speaker 6 (10:44):
Now and the end of the year.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
Is there something wrong here? Where's your phone call from
Donald Trump?

Speaker 3 (10:50):
And that?

Speaker 1 (10:50):
So I've had three and look.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
Of course the elephant in the room is Kevin run himself,
who once called the US President a traitor to the West.
Labor stalwarts say his position is untenable.

Speaker 6 (11:02):
I think it's a worry having Run as our ambassador
to you.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Is not that the PM wanted to talk about it today.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
I are Australians now only finding out about the meeting
between Kevin Side and Donald Trump?

Speaker 9 (11:16):
And what does that say about the Australian government's transparency.

Speaker 6 (11:20):
They're not even a position to tell.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Us what type.

Speaker 6 (11:24):
Yeah, I've spoke in the morning TV interview the contents
of the meeting, Well, they had a meet, they had
a brief discussion. Was it a secret meeting?

Speaker 3 (11:34):
Though?

Speaker 6 (11:34):
Is less like coolish? Well, I just said that I
talked about it at the time.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
But there was something the PM was interested in talking
about today.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
His trip to China this weekend.

Speaker 7 (11:46):
And I look forward very much to engaging with the
Chinese leadership as well as visiting Shanghai, Beijing and Chengdu.
The relations ship with China means jobs in Australia.

Speaker 6 (12:02):
It's as simple as that.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
It's clear Anthony Alberanzi is at ease with China, not
the US. He's going to meet with Chinese President Shijing
Ping for a fourth time during a six day trip.
The handsome boy from Australia sure knows where his priorities lie.
Join me now to discuss this and more. Is Nationals

(12:25):
Leader David Little Proud. David, thank you so much for
joining me. Let's start with this meeting between Donald Trump
and Kevin Rudd. All we know is that it happened
at Trump's golf club in Florida in the dining room.
We don't know what was discussed, David. The Prime Minister
has blamed the Coalition for asking questions, but given Anthony
Alberzi still doesn't have a meeting with Trump or a

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deal on tariffs, surely it is valid to ask questions.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (12:53):
Look, there's nothing more than a desperate diversion from the
Prime minister that has nothing to be proud of.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
The Trump administration has.

Speaker 12 (12:59):
Given very very clear cues about trade, about orcas and
much more. And if the Prime Minister hasn't understood the
importance and urgency of himself having a meeting, not necessarily
just the ambassador having a chance meeting, but actually himself
getting to the White House like many other world leaders
have managed to do, to be able to prosecute a

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compelling case of Australia has gotten better than anyone else
in the world. We just dropped a check for eight
hundred million dollars for our first installment on Virginia Class submarines,
and I suspect the fact that we're only learning about
Ambassador Rudd's meeting chance meeting with President Trump is because
there's nothing to report. There was no progress and there

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was nothing substantive to that meeting, which shows that the
Prime Minister has been asleep at the wheel.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
He's missed the opportunity.

Speaker 12 (13:48):
He hasn't taken up the cues that the Trump administration
has been very clear to Australia and to the rest
of the world, and the fact that he hasn't found
himself on a plane to Washington means that Australians are
missing out, whether that be just with the flat tariff
but also in terms of aluminium steel that came in
into effect in April and now two point two billion

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dollars worth of pharmaceuticals being hit with a tariff as well.
This is going to cost Australian jobs and we should
be leveraging our position with President Trump.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
In a proactive way.

Speaker 12 (14:20):
They are a strategic partner and when you see today also,
I think it's important to put into.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
Context the Foreign Minister Wong.

Speaker 12 (14:27):
Talking about the strategic threat of China that why wouldn't
the Prime Minister be over there when at the moment
we're relying on virgin pilots to identify Chinese ships in
our waters doing live fire exercises. Why wouldn't you have
found yourself in the White House not just about trade,
but also about the strategic partnership.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
That's more than just submarines.

Speaker 12 (14:49):
It's about making sure we send very strong signals until
we can defend ourselves well.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
Aksually, I want to ask you about those comments from
Penny Wong. They were made at a conference in Malaysia
and she has expressed alarm at the quote pace of
China's nuclear and.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Conventional military build up.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
This is what she said when she expanded on those
comments last night.

Speaker 13 (15:10):
I talked about the importance of a region where no
country dominates and no country is dominated a region, where
as I described that there is a balance of power,
which of course requires continued US engagement.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
David, is she right?

Speaker 3 (15:26):
And also you've got to wonder why the Prime Minister
can't bring himself to be strong on China.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Exactly.

Speaker 12 (15:34):
Penny Wong is right, and we've we've got to understand.
You don't send warships into international waters and doing live
fire exercise without wanting to send a message. A message
has been sent. And when you're relying on virgin pilots
to identify them in our waters, and when we can
clearly see that the Labor Party has reduced defense spending,
we can't defend ourselves. We actually need strategic partnerships like

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ucas with the United States that give us the capacity
to be able to send very strong messages that if
someone wants to break that peace and tranquility that we
have in the region, then there will be consequences because
those partnerships, those strategic partnerships are strong, and that also
means that we have to lift our defense spending. He
made that very clear to NATO countries straight after his inauguration,

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saying that he's prepared to be a good citizen being
there to keep peace in regions and particularly in Europe,
but he's not going to do all the heavy lifting.
I don't think President Trump's asking for anything outrageous. If
we want to defend our own region, we have to
increase our strategic defense spending with the hardware that the
United States has, but we need that partnership. And again

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the Prime Minister hasn't taken these cues that the Trump
administration is being very direct with the Australians, but all
the strategic partners the US has is that you've got
to do your heavy lifting.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
You've got to be part of this.

Speaker 12 (16:56):
And the fact that the Prime Minister hasn't found himself
in Washington has shown that he's given subtle messages back
through his speeches that we're not going to be subservient.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
This isn't about being subservient. This is about being in
a partnership with the United States to defend ourselves.

Speaker 12 (17:11):
To make sure that we send those strong messages that
hopefully we never have to use the long arm of those.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
Military assets to defend ourselves.

Speaker 12 (17:20):
But we can't do that at the moment as we
increase our spending, and the Prime Minister shows some leadership
gets to Washington shows the importance and urgency of re
establishing that partnership and if we haven't got the right
people doing that in Washington, then we should also be
courageous enough to have that conversation to make sure the
personnel in Washington that are dealing with the Trump administration

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can put Australia's best interest at heart.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
And get that advancement. It is about Team Australia.

Speaker 12 (17:47):
Prime Minister is right on that, but he's got to
be upfront, he's got to be honest, and he's got
to understand the importance of the urgency of him playing
a role in it as well, and anyone else that
needs to is in Washington as well.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
I mean America is our closest ally and for the
first time in a very long time, this relationship is
on edge. David Little Proud, it has been good to
see you. Thanks very much for joining me on the
show this evening.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Appreciate it well.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
Since its release of a special report into how to
combat Anti Semitism, much has been said about whether or
not the recommendations cross the line into free speech.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
Now.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
As part of the recommendations, social media and mainstream media
would be monitored, while arts bodies and universities will have
government funding withdrawn if they failed to address anti semitism.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
Special Envoy Gillian Siegel.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
Was asked on Sky News this morning, what would constitute
hate speech?

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Where is that line.

Speaker 14 (18:38):
Where it crosses over the line where it becomes anti Semitic?
Is when you say, Okay, I'm not just criticizing the
policies or actions, but I actually don't think the state
of Israel should exist and all the Jews should somehow
disappear or be killed exterminated like in the Holocaust, and
that is anti Semitic. We don't call for the destruction
of other states.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
We only need to look at the recent case of
Muslim preacher with sa Haddad, who was sued by the
Executive Council of Australian Jury for racial discrimination following a
series of lectures where he called Jews vile and treacherous people.
He argued he was just quoting from sacred books, but
the judge disagreed.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
So in effect we have a judge who was dared.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
To make age old racist tropes about Jews unlawful. So
as this set the standard, now should these recommendations be
implemented about what does and does not constitute hate speech
and what is the line. Joining me is President of
the Australian Jewish Association, Robert Gregory. Robert, it's nice to
see you. Thank you very much for joining me on
the show. This is a very important conversation to have.

(19:41):
What are your thoughts on that first up? What is
the line in your view?

Speaker 5 (19:46):
Well, you're right, that is a very important conversation we're having,
and after twenty one months when the Jewish community has
experienced firebomb attacks on synagogue's restaurant, diners threatened. This is
a very constructive and important report and I think looking
at some of the individual points, some of them will
have a major impact. For example, calling for greater screening

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of immigrants to Australia, I think is a very very
welcome step, as well as what you mentioned that the
funding going towards universities and arts organizations is a major issue,
and we've seen President Trump in the United States has
withheld money from certain universities and this has had a
major positive effect. So some of the points when it

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comes to hate speech, there are differing views within the
Jewish community and the general community, and we do take
some issue with what's contained in the report, but I
think on balance it's a very positive report and the
proof will be in the putting will the government actually
implement it?

Speaker 2 (20:44):
What do you take issue within the report?

Speaker 5 (20:47):
I think when it comes to hate speech, different people
have different definitions, and many people don't believe it's the
role of the government to define that anyway. So my
organization and many people would hold that if you are
directly inciting violence, threatening violence, then that should be illegal.
But when it comes to merely just spreading hate, while

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it may be deplorable and detestable, it might not necessarily
be something where criminal law should be brought in. But
we do recognize there are obviously different opinions within the community.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
And Jillian Siegel said today on Sky News, as we've
just played there, she said, if you're calling for the
destruction of Israel, that would constitute it.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Do you agree with that sense.

Speaker 5 (21:27):
Well, I think that could now be coming into the
incitement to violence. So rather than just making a discriminatory statement,
if you're calling for destruction of the only nation state
of the Jewish people, that may be crossing the line
into incitement. And I think a lot of people would
agree with that.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
Yeah, Look, the recommendations, let's talk about them. Of course,
the Prime Minister has yet to accept any even though
I've had Surely he's been kept abreast of these issues
for the last nine months since Jillian Siegel began her investigation.
A lot of it is actually already in law in
the Migration Act.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
You can deport people.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
But the problem I think we're saying is a lot
of our existing laws are not being enforced and haven't
been enforced since October seven.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Is that part of the problem, That's exactly it.

Speaker 5 (22:13):
I mean, it seems like the Prime Minister has been
writing on the coattails of this report, has been doing
a lot of interviews and getting a lot of credit, when,
as you said, he hasn't actually implemented any of the recommendations.
And this is the same government and the same Prime
minister that just two weeks ago was banning a Jewish
speaker from America from visiting, that was imposing sanctions on

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ministers in Israel. So I find it hard to believe
that they've done a complete one eighty in the space
of a couple of weeks. But if we give them
the benefit of the doubt then. Yes, there are existing
laws that should be applied, and I think there needs
to be much greater focus from police and where there's
political will pressuring police to apply the laws that exist

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rather than just introducing new laws every time there's an issue.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
Are you disappointed there even had to be an inquiry
into antisemitism in this country and it hasn't been addressed
since day dot It's taken a report for it to
be on the national radar.

Speaker 5 (23:09):
It's very disappointing. On October nine to just a couple
of days after October seven, we saw the ugly scenes
at the Sydney Opera House and it was clear then
there was a problem. It should have been dealt with
at the time. I don't think we need more task
forces and reports and committees, but we need action, action
from government and action from police.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
Yeah, no, I completely agree with you. Look, let's see
what happens now. I guess le's see if Labour does
adopt the recommendations and how it will play out in
our society as we've just been talking about. Robert Gregory,
good to see you. Thank you very much for joining
me on set today. I really appreciate it. Thank you
well still to come the bombshell report on CFMU thugerre
So while on Earth did labor in Queensland give them

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thousands to fight legal battles? Plus, what's the point of
a massive solar farm if they can't generate power? That's
happening as the energy transition stagnates.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Welcome back, Well.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
The Queensland CFMU administrator has exposed shocking examples of threats
of violence, intimidation and standover tactics used by the militant
union in the state. Barrister Jeffrey Watson described the union
as ruthless, crushing anyone who put up resistance, and went
on to say the conduct of the CFMU has required
some of their targets to quit their job, to move

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their homes and to seek medical assistance. What's more, today
we've learned that the former Queensland Labor government have given
the CFMU one hundred and fifty thousand dollars to fight
a serious legal case. Joining me now to discuss all
of this is the former boss of the union watchdog
the ABCC, John Lloyd John.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Welcome to the show. Thanks for joining me.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
I want to start firstly with this latest revelation that
labor gave the union money to fight a case alleging
illegal conduct. Surely the show's labor and the union are
working hand in glove.

Speaker 15 (25:01):
Yeah, well it does. It was a highly unusual move.
Wasn't money well spent because the union was fine hundred
and seventy nine thousand dollars in the case. But look
at follow had a protracted dispute, there was a rest
at the site, a nasty dispute, and it just demonstrates
again that alper governments have been weak when it comes
to the CFMU over decades.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
Basically, Yeah, absolutely, And I don't think it's just in Queensland.
I think it's across the country and federally as well.
But let's go back to this report. Here was the
Queensland Deputy Premier going through just some of the behavior
that has been exposed.

Speaker 16 (25:37):
A daughter of a workplace health and safety inspector intimidated
and bullied at a gymnasium. They found the details of
family members, They threatened people physically sexually said a bullet
has your name on it.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
John.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
I'm sure you heard it all during your time in
the Watchdog, but are you surprise to hear some of
these latest details.

Speaker 15 (26:04):
Oh well, no, I'm not. I mean it's been a
feature of the industry for a long long time. These
sorts of sort of conduct was occurring when I was
a commissioner. I suppose these things fester and if the
people at the top demonstrate that's their statut of conduct,
well then it spreads wider through the organization. And it

(26:25):
was concerning about this report was that the author that
said perhaps he only scratched the surface, so it's a
lot worse than that. Look over the years, I think
people who work in other industries would be absolutely staggered
at the way the billing industry is conducted and the thuggery, intimidation,
brutal often and these sorts of things just highlight how

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bad and ingrained it is.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
I mean, obviously this investigation was specific to Queensland, but
in your experience, would it be safe to say that
this is not an isolated one to that state.

Speaker 15 (27:02):
Well, certainly not. No, Look, it's Victoria. All the states.
There's officials who are in strife at the moment before
courts in South Australia and New South Wales. Victoria has
always been a hot bed of union militancy and in
the sea for militancy and appalling conduct. So there, so
it is right throughout the industry.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
Yeah, it sounds like it's rife, it's frightening. What should
happen next? Do you think does this union need a
massive overhaul?

Speaker 2 (27:33):
I mean, what steps need to be taken?

Speaker 15 (27:36):
Well, for sure, Look, it's good that the administrative is
starting to sack some of the people as talking about
having a code of conduct. That's all right. Code of
conducts work if they're clear, not too long, there's training
about it. But there's a long way to go to
change the culture of the organization, and that takes really

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making sure that on the ground that contractors are the
clients of the industry, the unions, the subcontractors, they're all
on the same page. And what you do need no
matter what is done by the administrator, ultimately you need
to have a body like the ABCC on the ground

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on sites enforcing lawful conduct on sites. If you don't
have that, well then I think it's going to be
a very hard job to clean up the industry.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
Well, I mean, hopefully, given some of the revelations to
come out of this report, something is done, because it
certainly was frightening to read.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
John Lloyd, thank you very much for your time this evening.
Appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
Well let's move on nowt joining me is my normal
Friday panel Skinde he is contribute a teen of a
queen and forming New South Wales Police Minister David Elliott,
welcome to the show.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Was always good to see you both. Thank you for
joining me. Now.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
I started with this at the top of the show
and I want to return to the detention of a
sixty one year old woman from Gaza and then the
subsequent protests that we saw outside of Tony Burke's office. David,
we don't know if this woman was part of that
cohort where the Labor Party gave three thousand gardens visas
last year with little to no security checks. But I

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took a lot of issue with this protest. There was
a T shirt that was worn by one of the
protesters that said death to the IDF. It seems like
this slogan has now been imported into Australia since Glastonbury.
As a former New South Wales Police minister, can anything
realistically be done well, I think.

Speaker 17 (29:30):
The police need to use their discretion as to whether
or not this is inciting violence. Now, my view is
it is because there could be any member of the
IDF sitting in Australian society right now that could be
gone leave in our holiday in Sydney, that could be
living in Sydney and having being on break from service
in the Israeli Defense Forces. So I don't think that

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there's any doubt that it is inciting violence. I think,
but we have to remember that there are intelligence agencies
working with the New South Wales Police. They may have
their own agenda here and we need to give them
a little bit of air cover when it comes to that.
But I mean, the mere fact that woman's incarceration immediately

(30:13):
resulted in people's chanting death to the IDF says to
me that the intelligence agency's got it right when they
incarcerated up.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
Yeah, and we still don't know the reasons why, but
you can assume and you would know that as oh
that don't take these decisions lightly. They you know, they
make a very serious call on that. And Tenna, look,
we don't know these circumstances, and I want to put
aside this particular case, but it was always going to
be a risk, wasn't it Bringing people in from a
war zone.

Speaker 18 (30:41):
A very real risk to us, and it's been reported
that she has this particular woman has one hundred relatives
out here. And what I took offense to too was the
supporter on the megaphone there at the small protest said
he thought and his words were, he thought it was
the IDF knocking at her door. It's just disgraceful and
like you said, the signs. But I think I think

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there's going to be a lot more of this neck because,
as you said, the government letting too many people to
quickly from that area without the proper checks.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
Yeah, I mean it was always going to be a risk.
And look, you know, well let's see what happens now, Lowielle.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
David was back as policeman.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
I know we need we actually or seriously, we need
people like you who are tough and can make these
tough calls. David Elliott, it's a shame that you're not
still in Parliament, but I understand that you were. You
were done with it.

Speaker 10 (31:26):
Now.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
Look, how is it that Victoria's so called Multicultural Commissioner,
Mohammed Modine can still be in a job when he
has repeatedly posted offensive conduct content such as describing Bob Villain,
who of course chanted that death to the IDF at Glastonbury,
and Iran's supreme leader Ayatola kamin A as heroes. David,

(31:46):
how these people being hired? You know in government?

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Surely there is a vetting process, right, Well.

Speaker 17 (31:52):
They're supposed to be a vetting process, and I mean,
let's face it, the Victorian labor government is a law
in to itself, and I don't think they really care
about vetting when it comes to winning votes. I would
have thought that when this gentleman accepted this position, he
realized that he was forfeiting a lot of public opinions,
because when you take those positions, you do have to

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forfeit public opinions. I mean, I had to set asign
a lot of my preconceived views when I was made
minutes for counter terrorism because I had to work with
cultures of all persuasions. And this guy was going into
a specific position to do that, to bring communities together.
And I think that the best thing for him to
do right now is to resign. Vic Alidev had to

(32:34):
resign in New South Wales from a similar position and
he did nothing like what this gentleman was talking about
I mean, you've got to.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
Feel for the tax payer in particular. I don't know
how much this person has been paid, but it's irrelevant.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Where was the vetting? Look, and he won't resign David.

Speaker 18 (32:50):
You know in Victoria that aligns with a lot of
the government's principles. So there's no way to resigned. No,
while they get rid of you. It's absolutely disgraceful.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
No, I completely agree with you, and I think, well,
who knows what happened with the Allen government and they're
actually going to investigate this.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
You never know when it comes to water Allen.

Speaker 18 (33:05):
The latest poll has them way ahead. Now you tell
me how I mean Libor.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Party should hang their head in show. Well, that's another issue.
You can't tell me that the job pursudo more redeeming.
That's a whole diversion, that the whole show. We could
do a whole show. But they're in Yeah, they're in
all sorts of issues. But still there's an it's next year,
it's late next year, so let's see, there's a little
bit of time. There's a little bit of time.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
Now let's talk about the Labor Party's Green dream. And
you have to ask, what's the actual point of all
these massive solar farms if they're going to have at
least one third of their power generation switched off by
twenty twenty seven because of.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
The snail's pace roll out of transmission lines.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
And just on this, we've learnt today that the snowy
hydro subsidiary Red Energy is raising power prices in Victoria
for some by two hundred by two sorry, two hundred
and thirty households. David, here we go again. You know,
the green dream is imploded day in, day out.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Nothing is changing here.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
I mean, how can labor keep seriously pushing this message
that you know we're on the trajectory stay with the cause.

Speaker 17 (34:09):
Well, their eagerness for it was vote by and we
all know that now everybody on the conservative side of politics,
in fact everybody in Australia wants to leave a better earth.
We will got to be good custodians of the environment.
That doesn't mean that we have to wreck our economy.
And this is proof positive that the planning wasn't done
and this transitioning is not going to happen by twenty thirty.

(34:30):
It's not going to happen by twenty fifty. It's like
solving the housing christis. Everybody seems to think these things,
there's a silver bullet out there, and if we try this,
and we try that, we'll eventually find the silver bullet. Well,
it's not going to happen. So transitioning part thereof which
is my view, we should have to have a mixture
of electricity suppliers and options because when one goes to pastry,

(34:52):
we can always rely on the other one. But once again,
we've just seen an election winning headline give us, leave
us with a big cost. And I'd hate to be
in Victoria thinking that tomorrow night, when the snow's falling
in regional Victoria or the temperature in Melbourne drops below zero,

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there's going to be no opportunity to heat my house.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
No, Well that's it.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
And you know we keep caring Tina that you know,
power bills will go down, will go down.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
They're not.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
They're going in the opposite direction. They write they rose
by ten percent just a week ago. If you're with
Red Energy, you know, bad luck because your bills are
going to go up even further. But you've got all
these projects delayed or canceled.

Speaker 18 (35:32):
Yeah yeah, yeah, Well the hydro it's got blind. I
think when Malcolm came up the crazy idea it was
two billion. I think it's now blown out around thirteen billion,
and it's just disgraced for what labor's doing federally. But David,
I praised you for your efforts last time as Cabeism minister, and.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Please minister, but what the hell did you.

Speaker 18 (35:49):
Guys do when we're in government in New South Wales?
Matt Kean Don Harwin, I think they're going one hundred
percent renewables.

Speaker 17 (35:55):
Well, I don't think we went to one hundred percent.
I'm assure you there were voices of reason and.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Were loud enough.

Speaker 18 (36:02):
They weren't loud enough.

Speaker 17 (36:03):
As soon as he fight in the terrorists.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
David had one.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
David had multiple things going on, and now he's got
to deal with energy crisis as well.

Speaker 18 (36:10):
I just get cranky because we've been in government, you know,
in the state and federally, and we did nothing, absolutely not.

Speaker 17 (36:16):
The conservative side of politics has lost the narrative. It
needs to be a mixture between Tony Abbot Matt King.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
We need to he just needs Tony Abbot. No, no, no,
we do need to.

Speaker 17 (36:25):
Be We do need to honestly say to people that
we believe we should be good custodians of the earth.
And I've got thirty two solar panels. I pay nothing
for electricity. Now it is a good policy. But if
I don't have if it's if it's raining for a
month and I don't have access to the solar, I
need to be able to plug into a cold powered
electricity system.

Speaker 18 (36:44):
Don't do the matt Kean turning Abbot mixture. We need
to be one side of the other. Let's stick to
I'm a pluralist.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
Sticks, we're sticking. I stick to Abbott as well. I'm
with you on this one, Tina. Absolutely. Now, I thought
this was quite hilarious that there was a mysterious silence
by Joe Biden doctor who refused to answer whether he
was ever instructed to lie about the former president's health
or whether he believed the president was unfit for office.
Here was Republican James Comer explaining what happened behind closed

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doors during the House Oversight Committee.

Speaker 18 (37:15):
Were you ever told to la about the president itself?

Speaker 6 (37:20):
He pleaded the Fifth Amendment? You would not answer that question.

Speaker 13 (37:24):
The second question, did you ever believe President Biden was
unfit to execute his duties?

Speaker 18 (37:31):
Again.

Speaker 14 (37:32):
President Biden's White House position pleaded the Fifth Amendments.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Oh, Ge David, there was a whole lot of duck
and weaving going on there. The silence must have been deafening.
I mean, we could only assume the answer.

Speaker 17 (37:44):
We're going to call this Biden Gate because I think
when I was in politics, they went through me like
a day's assualts at SA fifty two. They wanted to
know who, you know, who I was having coffee with,
and you know, my wife's maiden. They went through everything.
I can't believe that he's seriously thinking that a man
who was the President of the United States should not

(38:05):
have to cough up pardon the pun with this information.
Of course he should become submitting information regarding the health
and welfare of the President of the United States. And
as I said, I just this really disturbs me because
in Australia it's very very unusual.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
For a politician to be able to get away.

Speaker 17 (38:23):
With hiding this sort of information. In fact, it's near
on illegal, and there are whether it be whether it
be through Upper House inquiries, whether it be IKAK, whether
it be the Supreme Court, whether it be your own constituents,
or our dear friends in the media. This information is
always made public and of course the worst crime is
lying about it. Normally sometimes you can get I'm prove

(38:44):
positive you can get away with things in this town.
But if you lie about it, you're gone.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
God you absolutely God aren't going to give up them.

Speaker 18 (38:52):
I mean, he's going to claim patient doctor confidentiality, but
he put the whole country at risks. So no, Trump's
going to keep on this and hopefully we'll find the
truth which we all know.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
We all know what's happened. Come on, you don't need
an inquiry, but gee's fascinating. Ten the Queen, David Elliott,
good to see you both have a good weekend. Thank
you for joining me. Coming up after the break live
to the UK as mccron ands Starmer hatch a plan
to try and crack down on the hundreds of illegal
boat arrivals every day, plus the winners and losers of
the week.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
That's next Welcome back to the show.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
While UKPM Kiir Starmer and French President and Manuel mccron
think they've hatched a plan to crack down on the hundreds.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Of illegal boat arrivals happening every day.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
Joining me, now is Reform UK counselor Darren Grimes, Darren
always lovely.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
To see you, thank you for joining me.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
The same day they announced this, some seven hundred small
boats arrived.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
So it sounds like a dud from the beginning. Will
it work?

Speaker 19 (39:49):
Absolutely?

Speaker 1 (39:49):
It does?

Speaker 19 (39:50):
You know you've got pound shop Napoleon. And then that
bank clerk Sakia Starmer that this idea, that this has
going to stop the boats one in one out nearly
seven hundred illegals coming across the channel, with Nigel Farage
by the way in the English Channel watching it all
take place, and there were out of a boat with

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about seventy eight people on it. There were three women
and children, three women and children, the rest of them men.
Now where I'm from, Denika, in the northeast of England,
we have cheaper housing stock than the rest of the country.
So we are getting families, I say families. We are
getting groups of men, seven at a time moving in

(40:33):
to homes next door to young families. Imagine being that
young family when that happens. So this grand idea, it's
like the people smugglers are getting a memo saying cheers
will send a flotilla to celebrate. You know, the pilot
scheme is so puny that it'll about maybe at best

(40:54):
fifty people a week being returned, so it'll deter absolutely nobody.
Our borders are leakier than a sieve. And he calls
this a breakthrough. It's a break down for Britain, That's
what it is. The public are ripping it to shreds,
the calling it worse than a useless frankly than this

(41:14):
attempt to actually halt the Dinghy invasion. Compare it to
some of the measures that were put in place in dare,
I say, Australia, the idea that you would have turned
to third countries and said to them, well, do you
mind taking back at least fifty of them, the idea
that would have stopped the boats. It's farcical. We are
a weak nation, we are a laughing stock on the

(41:36):
international stage, and it's all thanks to this pounch up
Napoleon and this bank clerk of a prime minister.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Oh look, I agree.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
It's almost like Keir Starmer's out of ideas. He's spinning
ideas willy nilly now, Darren, hoping that something will stick,
and clearly nothing is working.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Now.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
Donald Trump is set to visit Scotland this month and
Keir Starmer is going to visit him. While while he's there,
I must say, Darren Kirstamer is wasting no time integrating
himself while our Prime minister here at Australia can't even
get one meeting with Trump.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
But what's going to be on the agenda this time?

Speaker 19 (42:11):
Look, you know it's somewhat ironic, isn't it that fresh
from Bendenova, with the sort of centrist macron of France,
he's now going to have to cozy up to Donald J. Trump, who,
no doubt, behind the scenes he calls worse than goodness
only knows what, but he'll know doubty slavering like a
young puppy. Danika one minute is actually preaching NATO hikes

(42:35):
and defending the Western Europe and arming Ukraine to the hilt,
and the next actually he's talking about how he cannot
control Britain's borders, and actually he admitted that Britain had
lost control of its borders. So perhaps he's going to
be saying talk to Donald J. Trump about all of

(42:56):
these things. But I hope Donald Trump, as has happened
from the Trump administration, turns around and reminds mister Starmer
that he needs to find his spine, that he needs
to remember that we're supposed to believe in freedom of
expression in this country. We have political prisoners of mister
Starmer's in prison right now today, at this moment. So

(43:18):
whilst he might be trying to make out to Donald
Trump that he's auditioning for MAGA membership, let's not forget
that he's just as hysterical, as useless and incompetent as
Kamela Harris was. So when the lefty love he meets
the ultimate deal maker, I say, past the popcorn and
I hope this is Starmer's orange tinted nightmare.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Denika.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
I'm sure you'll be sitting there with your popcorn, Darren,
and I look forward to getting a rundown from you
at some point. Darren Grimes, always nice to see you.
Thank you very much for joining me on the show
this evening. Appreciate it well. It is that time of
the week where we sought the winners from the losers,
and helping me to do that is Per McSwain from
Verb Communications.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Hello, good to see you now. Your winner this week
is a missing surfer.

Speaker 20 (44:05):
Look It's just the most wonderful, miraculous story when you
think that his father actually, you know, called out, He
worked out all the winds, the tidal waves and what
have you to try and work out how where this
kid could possibly be. He called out in desperation to
just everybody he could, and this whole flotilla of relatives

(44:27):
and boaties and what have you went out to find
this kid, which of course he did.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
This. This boy's nineteen years old, Darcy defaults.

Speaker 20 (44:34):
His father is Terry, and it just talks about the
father's love, you know how a family. You imagine if
you'd lost someone, ohs at sea.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
He was missing.

Speaker 20 (44:44):
Overnight and this kid was found miraculously and it's made
world headlines.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
So good on good story.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
Love a good news story amongst all the deaferent destruction
that we've got at the moment.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Now, you know, I love a music theme.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
So my winner this week I'll giving it to Osborne
because he's played one last show with Black Sabbath in Reala.
This was the last show ever. It's called the back
to Beginning to a one night only. This man's seventy
six years old. He's actually got Parkinson's disease, and yet
he can still belt out their number one hit Paranoid.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
Have a look thank you from the Boma.

Speaker 19 (45:19):
I love you, you love me?

Speaker 1 (45:23):
And he's a so called paranoid.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
Look you really have by this? You know you don't
like my winner of the week. Buy is a living legend. Yes,
he was sitting down, but doesn't matter. The fact is
he gave it a go.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
He had so much makeup on to hide all the wrinkles.

Speaker 14 (45:44):
What are you in?

Speaker 20 (45:45):
His seventies and roll rock and roll break That music
is revolting.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Good riddance, mate, embraced rock and roll breue. Come on,
I did when I was in my twenty thirties. Now
not so much. You wouldn't go after Ozzie No right, no,
not my type. But he's breathing and that's about his
only thing going for him. Seventy six years old. He's
given it a crap. I think it was great anyway.
I loved it. I saw bits of Bobs on X

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and I just thought, good on him anyway.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
That's fine, But you know I love a music the
so now look your loser this week is the Act
Government's dog ownership rules mandate.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
I mean, will they get out of our lives.

Speaker 20 (46:25):
These bureaucrats who are overpaid obviously have nothing better to
do that come up with this.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Now they believe that dogs.

Speaker 20 (46:33):
Are sentient, that they have feelings, and I'm sure they do,
but how the hell are they going to mandate this?

Speaker 2 (46:40):
They want us to spend what three hours with our dogs?

Speaker 20 (46:43):
If you happen to live in Queen in Act and
you know they're mandating it, and what are we going
to do?

Speaker 2 (46:49):
How are you going to police it? They're going to
have dog dobbers, you know. I mean, it's just absurdity.

Speaker 20 (46:55):
It's another hair braid Act government idea, and it's pathetic.
They did it in Sweden and Germany where people were
being told they had to walk a certain number.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Of hours with their dogs. I mean, how dare they?

Speaker 20 (47:08):
And most people I know love their dogs as a
member of the family.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
It doesn't need to be put in the law. I mean,
this is typical. But we're not shocked from the Act.
Let's be honest.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
They're woke that we're totally woke so love dogs. I
absolutely adore dogs, but it doesn't need to be mandated.
In the end, it's up to the pet owners. Let
people decide what they.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Want to do with their Get out of our lives.
Get out of our lives exactly.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
Now.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
My louser this week is Hollywood, particularly now that Superman
has gone woke.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Now.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
This is after director James Gunn told The Times quote
Superman is the story of America, an immigrant that came
from other places have populated the country. It's prompted Dean Kin,
who played the Man of Steel in the nineteen nineties
TV series Lois and Clark, to say, we.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Know Superman is an immigrant. He's a freaking alien.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
The American way is immigrant friendly, tremendously immigrant friendly, but
there are rules. You can't come in saying I want
to get rid of all the rules in America because
I want to be more like Somalia.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
And look, you know, enough is enough.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
We saw it with Snow White. Why is America going Hollywood?
God woke, gone wake.

Speaker 20 (48:12):
I wish we could find a Superman with superpowers to
get rid of all these morons.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
You know, if we could just look.

Speaker 20 (48:19):
At everyone in American around the world, who is this
woke idiot? These woke idiots that really have no idea
and want to impose their stupidity on the rest of us,
and sadly we are stupid enough to allow them, you know,
I mean, but Hollywood's been strange for so long.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
That there's something wrong over there.

Speaker 20 (48:38):
Yeah, and looking at Disney, which is going grove obviously
with its workness.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
Anyway, it's bizarre, pro lovely to see you as always.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
We'll do it all again next week. Thank you and
thank you for your company.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
I'll be back on Sunday night at seven pm for
Deneka and James. But up next, Caroline Marcus is filling
in for Steve Price.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Good night