In this episode, Andrew and Mike continue through The Dark Night of the Soul (Book Two, Chapters 19–20). They reflect on St. John’s 10-step “mystic ladder” of divine love—from turn to burn—blending scripture, lived experience, and Andrew’s upcoming 12-hour overnight performance, Dark Night. Together they explore perseverance, the quiet work of desire, and how growth unfolds through trust, consistency, and showing up.
Book II chapters 19-20
00:48 Discussing the Mystic Ladder of Divine Love
01:22 Exploring the First Steps: Languish and Swoon
04:35 Seeking and the Journey Up the Ladder
18:53 The Role of Teachers and Guides
24:49 The Struggle and Joy of Progression
36:00 The Importance of Process Over Performance
38:57 The Power of Repetition
40:29 The Mystic Ladder: A Metaphor for Human Endeavor
42:35 Steps of the Mystic Ladder
49:16 The Final Steps: Hold and Burn
51:18 The Journey of Transformation
01:09:52 The Good Place and the Mystic Ladder
01:15:30 Final Thoughts
Related Links
Dark Night Project: www.darknightlive.com
Nemr Institute: www.nemrinstitute.com
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