Episode 22: Randomsode #1

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peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025 (00:18):
You know what it feels like, feels
like it's about that time.
It's about that time.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_ (00:24):
that time, to fuck you.
Get this show on the road.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-20 (00:27):
start this episode.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_1 (00:28):
the people why we're here.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09- (00:30):
Welcome listeners to Death Coven, a
podcast by and about a deathcoven.
My name is Poppy

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09 (00:41):
Beautiful, gorgeous.
I'm river and I'm happy to behere.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (00:46):
And I'm Sky.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025 (00:48):
Who is also happy to be here.
I'm not just kidding.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_1 (00:52):
air out your grievances.
Let's have it live on air.
Let's air this out.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025_1 (00:58):
I kind of have a tickle in my
throat and it's just ruiningeverything.
but anyway.
What are we talking about today?
Well, hold on.
We are actually doing a newthing that we haven't done
before where we all bring arandom topic and we're each just
gonna tell each other about it.

(01:21):
Um, do you guys wanna say up topwhat your topic is or do you
wanna keep it, uh, and likereveal it as you

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_1 (01:27):
Sky wants the mystery.
Sky wants to keep it close toher pocket.
I'm fine with that.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (01:35):
I at least I'm just

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_110 (01:36):
I love a surprise.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (01:38):
Me too.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_1 (01:39):
One thing about me, I love a
surprise.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (01:43):
cause mine starts with asking you guys
a question.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025_1 (01:47):
I love a question.
Mine starts with avisualization, so I, I like a
good reveal at the end of that,I think.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_1 (01:52):
I'm just yapping for mine.
I, yeah.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-20 (01:55):
Okay, well, before we get into it, do
you guys wanna play ahypothetical game?

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_ (01:59):
Yes.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-202 (02:01):
You, you?
Okay.
So this one

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-20 (02:06):
Stupid.
My glasses started fogging up.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09- (02:10):
River's too excited.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-20 (02:12):
excited to be here.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025 (02:14):
God they're wearing a nice, like,
flowy shirt today what was Isaying?
Oh, yes, before I wasinterrupted by flowy shirt river
fogging up their glasses and theentire

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_1 (02:27):
God forbid they them have a little
fun.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025 (02:31):
Um, I was saying we're gonna get
back to basics with thishypothetical.
I feel like we've had some funkyones recently, so this is just
gonna be a classic.
You wake up tied to a chair,

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025 (02:45):
Okay.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2 (02:47):
canvas sack over your head.
You can't move, it's eerilyquiet.
Then you hear a door open andinto the room, walks, something.
I don't know, some someone mean.
Someone mean walks into the roomand they say.

(03:09):
This is a life or deathsituation.
If you can answer all 10questions correctly, you live,
if you get one wrong, you'regonna die.
But you get to choose the triviacategory.
Uh, you're gonna choose like thecategory for what?
10 questions you're gonnaanswer, life or death.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025 (03:30):
Okay.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025_1 (03:31):
I have no idea what my answer's
gonna

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_1 (03:33):
I'm in Trivial Pursuit saw trap
right now.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-202 (03:36):
Yes, it's like that jackbox game,
trivia murder party.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (03:42):
Okay.
I think that I'm gonna, I'mgonna softball myself because
I'm not like a trivia person.
I.
I do know lots of differentthings about different things,
but I'm not like a triviaperson.
My topic will be cat facts.
I know a lot about cats justgenerally having them for a long

(04:05):
time and I feel like they don'treally get too tricky or too
crazy like that, you know what Imean?

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025 (04:12):
How many teeth does a cat have?

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (04:15):
Oh, we're playing for real right
now.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025 (04:17):
No, just kidding.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_1 (04:19):
up.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025 (04:21):
Uh, cat teeth.
How many teeth?
Now I wanna know.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_11 (04:25):
If I had to guess, I would say like
15 to 20.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-202 (04:30):
baby teeth.
You would be wrong.
You would be dead.
Right now.
You're dead in that

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_1 (04:34):
And what are you gonna do?
Wasn't my topic anyway.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09- (04:38):
kittens have, 26 baby teeth, which are
replaced by adult teeth.
So they have 26 teeth and theycan't get cavities.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_ (04:46):
They can rot though.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-20 (04:48):
Yeah.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (04:49):
From plaque buildup.
Yeah.
Well, I already knew I was gonnadie because I would, I would
fold under pressure anyway, evenif I knew a fact, I wouldn't be
able to extrapolate it.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_1 (04:59):
You can, in a pressure scenario, you
can tell me the answer and thenask me to repeat it and I will
not retain it and I will not beable to tell you what you just
told

skye_1_03-09-2025_11044 (05:08):
Mm-hmm.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-202 (05:09):
What if it was like Skye?
What if it was like 10 questionsabout Michael?
Do you think you

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_ (05:15):
He's an

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (05:15):
He's an enigma.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-20 (05:17):
Yeah.
That's

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (05:18):
Not even

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_1 (05:19):
own wife.
barely knows him.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025 (05:21):
You just, you find out during, like
right before you die, that he'sa black belt in some obscure
martial art.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (05:30):
Yeah.
He's

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_110 (05:31):
a key to a city.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (05:33):
And he's like, I don't know.
I just didn't, it just nevercame up.
That's why I never

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025_ (05:36):
It never came up.
Yeah.
You didn't ask.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_11 (05:40):
My low ball was like, oh, in the
fucking interview with theVampire first book, like I asked
me 10 questions about that.
I got it,

peepoo-host298_1_03-09- (05:49):
mm-hmm.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (05:50):
when was it published?

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2 (05:52):
Couldn't tell you I'd be dead
immediately.
Couldn't tell you before I wasborn.
This is a toughie.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025_1 (06:00):
I feel like I might be able to do
infectious diseases

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-202 (06:04):
That's a good one.
And I have no prep time.
This is just

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025 (06:08):
No.
It's like you, you are tied tothis chair in a dark room.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (06:14):
I am just accepting my fate that I'm
gonna die.
I think

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_110 (06:17):
I am thinking my, my indomitable
human spirit is working.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-202 (06:22):
what if it's five questions?
Does that improve your chances,do you think?
Could you survive fivequestions?

skye_1_03-09-2025_11044 (06:29):
perhaps 10 is a lot, three even.
I would still be not confident.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-20 (06:37):
Yeah.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_1 (06:38):
I'd get through one question and go,
fuck, there's another one.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (06:43):
One question, even like potentially
just like one pretty difficultquestion on any topic that I got
to choose, like might be really,really difficult.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025_1 (06:53):
I feel like I could do like
seventh grade algebra.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025 (06:58):
Okay.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (07:00):
It sounds horrible.
You're doing math blindfoldedand tied to a chair.
That's crazy.
You can't even write

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025_1 (07:07):
I mean, I feel like I could, it's
pretty simple, like seventh

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (07:10):
like just like solve for X or
whatever.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-20 (07:13):
Yeah.
Like if there's no time limitMaybe periodic table questions,
I could probably do that.
Unless they're asking likereally, really specific

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_1 (07:21):
Mm.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (07:24):
is

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09 (07:24):
Potassium.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025 (07:25):
I'd have to go into, no, it's not
potassium.
I, I'd have to go like deep intomy mind palace, and even then,
that's only like a one in 10chance.
I'm gonna get that.
Right.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_110 (07:37):
I feel like I could maybe do like
a, like a celebrity scandaltrivia category.
I,

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (07:45):
just in general, because there's
lots.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_110 (07:48):
I Would probably wanna narrow it
down.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025_ (07:51):
Or do just like American, like from
nineties to present.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_110 (07:57):
I would wanna narrow, I would
wanna do like mid 2010s as awindow, as like a smaller
window.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025 (08:04):
Um, okay.
So saying somehow you survived,as unlikely as that is, the bag
is pulled from your head andit's your bitch wife holding you

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_1 (08:16):
Not my bitch wife again.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-20 (08:19):
sick.
She's

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-202 (08:20):
always doing some shit like This

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (08:23):
This is

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-20 (08:24):
Yeah.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_ (08:26):
Now, unfortunately, this means we
have to leave.
In all the instances of mementioning my bitch wife, we
can't just cut that.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025 (08:35):
Uh, orchestrated.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-202 (08:37):
Damnit Poppy's, my real bitch wife
putting me through this.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-20 (08:41):
Well, I'm somebody's bitch wife.
All right.
Well, I believe it's Sky's turn.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (08:50):
Yes.
So like I said earlier, I have aquestion for the two of you.
Are you superstitious?

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_110 (09:06):
a little bit.
It's not like to the extentwhere it rules my life, but I
still, like, subconsciously Idon't step on cracks in the
sidewalks and I don't openumbrellas and doors and things
like that.

skye_1_03-09-2025_11044 (09:22):
Mm-hmm.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-20 (09:24):
Yeah.
I wouldn't really say I amsuperstitious, but I do
sometimes have intrusivethoughts that I have to carry
out or else.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (09:34):
I think that's obsessive
compulsive disorder.
I,

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025 (09:37):
Oh, well maybe it's that,

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (09:40):
I'm not, I, I could be wrong about
that.
Cut that.
But

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025_1 (09:43):
I wouldn't say superstitious like
I, the umbrella thing.
No cracks.
Unless I, unless the voice is inmy head, tell me not to.
Um, you know,

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (09:56):
was your family superstitious
growing up?
Did they have little

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-20 (09:59):
Yeah.
Yeah.
My, my mother especially, youknow, the, um, like when you're
about to, oh, well, yeah.
I, I mean this isn't even reallya superstitious thing, but just
a habit, like when you're aboutto go through a red light and
you reach up and touch the, theum, visor,

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_110 (10:17):
I did that yesterday.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-202 (10:18):
like the roof of your car.
Yeah.
Also, when you drive overrailroad tracks, you lift

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025 (10:23):
Yeah.
Did you guys have the, the habitin your family where you hold
your breath when you pass by a,a cemetery when you're driving
or like over a bridge?

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025_1 (10:34):
I used to do that every morning on
the way to school.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-202 (10:37):
that's one I still do sometimes.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (10:40):
Well, thank you for answering that.
Uh, superstitions is my topictoday, which can be an ongoing,
it could be a series if youwanted.
'cause I'm just gonna brieflytouch on superstitions, just
kind of vaguely.
And then I'll, uh, deep diveinto the history of one of them.
And then I'll tell you guys someof my superstitions.

(11:01):
'cause I would say that I leanin the superstitious direction.
I like fun little things.
I am vulnerable if I.
Yeah, it's it.
And if I hear a new one, I go,oh, I didn't know about that
one.
And then it just sticks with mefor some reason.
If someone else has asuperstition and then I'm like,
oh.
And then I, every time I'm inthat scenario, I just remember

(11:22):
someone else's superstition andthen I eventually end up
adopting it.
And so over the years, I've justadopted several.
But what is a superstition?
I have defined it as a ritual orbelief that a certain action or
inaction will bring about goodor bad luck, just vaguely.

(11:43):
Vaguely.
So it's like you either have todo a thing or you can't do a
thing.
And then the result will eitherbe good or bad luck, depending
on what the superstition is.
Um, the history of beingsuperstitious or having
superstitions generally likelystarted as stigma against any

(12:03):
religion that was not theofficial religion of that
region.
Um, for example, the most commonexample, probably the Christian
stigma against paganism.
'cause Christians came in, tookover, and then people who were
worshiping multiple gods, it wasthought that, you know,
everything that they were doingwas negative and arcane and evil

(12:25):
and blah, blah, blah, blah,blah.
And then, so then two, theChristians, the pagans were
viewed as superstitious.
I.
Um, but before then, it wasactually the opposite.
Like when in Greece and Rome,when they were worshiping their
multiple gods, they viewedChristianity as superstitious.
So it's kind of like this backand forth just depending on who,

(12:49):
who was the, uh, officialreligion in that area.
Um, and Protestants thought theCatholics were very
superstitious due to theirextreme piety.
Utilizing things like holywater, the Eucharist, insisting
on using, uh, Latin things likethat seemed very outlandish and

(13:10):
superstitious to the Protestanteye.
in general, it's just a lot ofpointing fingers back and forth
depending on the culture thatyou're from, where
superstitions, yeah, you'redoing things differently and
that's bad and I hate that.
So that's kind of generally,yeah, like you're being really
weird.
today a lot of superstitionisn't necessarily religious in

(13:33):
nature, but it's rather anythingthat is deemed irrational to
proof or of scientific evidence,so what we might call anecdotal
truths.
So it can't be proved byscience, but people nonetheless
believe it anyway.
Um, and they're usually kind ofsupernatural in nature, having

(13:54):
to do with luck or.
Sometimes Gods, you know, if youbelieve in a God.
but yeah, that's sort of myintro to superstitions.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025_1 (14:05):
I am excited to hear the one
you're gonna deep dive into.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (14:08):
It's just I'm doing like a, a normal,
not a normal one.
Scratch that.
I'm doing a common one, which iswalking under ladders.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-202 (14:18):
Ooh,

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (14:20):
'cause I didn't really know It's good
to not walk under ladders justin general because it's not
safe.
That is not OSHA

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025_ (14:27):
As someone who's OSHA certified at
multiple levels and forkliftcertified.
Ladies,

skye_1_03-09-2025_11044 (14:35):
Ladies, if you're interested, she's
forklift certified.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-202 (14:39):
32nd pause for emphasis on my, on my
forklift.
joke.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (14:46):
Insert forklift noise here.
Yeah.
So the history of where thesuperstition of you shouldn't
walk under a ladder comes from.
It is possibly from ancientEgypt because leaning a ladder

(15:08):
against a wall forms a triangle,which as we know is a sacred
shape to the Egyptians via thepyramids and such.
Um, and so to pass through mayhave been seen as desecrating
the gods.
It's basically like an insult.
And similarly in Christianity,this three-sided notion of a

(15:28):
ladder against a wall took rootin representing the Holy Trinity
as the father of the Son and theHoly Ghost.
And so walking under a laddercould be seen as quote unquote
breaking the Holy Trinity, whichis a blasphemous act that might
attempt, the devil to appear,Ooh, you are inviting in the
devil in demons and spiritsbecause you're breaking that

(15:51):
bond of the Holy Trinity.
It also has associations withthe gallows in England because
most gallows being on raisedplatforms, there's those little
staircases that go up.
So the last thing that you seeon the way to your death is like
steps.
um, or you know, sometimes yousee depictions of a ladder

(16:12):
leaning up against a tree tohang someone.
Uh, some say that they madepeople walk under ladders on
their way to the gallows tofurther worsen their luck, um,
and to send them to hell byinviting the devil, yada, yada
yada.
Or just that the act of walkingunder a ladder in general meant
inviting your own death.

(16:33):
So those are sort of, itsassociations with the gallows,
but in general, it's like atriangle, sacred number, maybe
going to your death.
but don't worry because if youfind yourself accidentally
walking under a ladder, or ifyou have no other choice but to
walk under a ladder for somereason, there are some tricks to

(16:54):
keep the bad luck away.
There are some things that youcould do to resist the evil
spirits

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-202 (17:00):
Push the ladder over with the person
standing at the top.
Still up there.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (17:04):
that's also not compliant.
And number one, you can walkbackwards through the ladder,

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-202 (17:11):
Undo it.
Yeah.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (17:12):
undo it.
Uh, you can make a wish whileyou walk under the ladder to
sort of add a more positive spinto sort of try to neutralize or
counteract the bad juju goingon.
You can cross your fingers untilyou see a dog.
Don't know what the dog isabout, but I saw it multiple

(17:34):
times.
You can cross your fingers untilyou see a dog.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025_1 (17:37):
I feel like that could be a long
time, depending on where youare.
Especially if you're walking upto the gallows.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (17:43):
Yeah.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-202 (17:45):
Keep 'em crossed till you see
Cerberus at the gates of theunderworld.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (17:49):
Oh, you can say bread and butter as
you pass.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_1 (17:55):
Any explanation for that or, all
right.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (17:59):
nope.
Didn't, didn't look that hard.
But again, multiple times itcame up.
Say bread and butter.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_1 (18:04):
So, you know it's true.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (18:06):
Yeah.
you can spit specifically threetimes.
Um, and lastly, you can put yourthumb between your index and
middle fingers.
Uh, and this is called the figsign.
And it can be seen as a rude orobscene gesture in general,
depending on the culture orcontext that it's being used.
'cause it kind of looks like apussy.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025 (18:28):
Okay.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-202 (18:29):
Hmm.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (18:29):
It's like a

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_1 (18:30):
And is that to like scare the devil
off

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (18:32):
Yeah.
It's supposed to be like too,too rude that they're like, ugh.
Yeah, it's too vulgar.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09- (18:38):
Mm-hmm.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_ (18:38):
this guy's fucked.
Let's get outta here.

skye_1_03-09-2025_1104 (18:41):
exactly.
Um, except for its common use inthe states as the got your nose
gesture commonly used withchildren.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09- (18:48):
Mm-hmm.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-202 (18:48):
pussy.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (18:49):
yeah, it is not inappropriate in that,
in that use, um, in the UnitedStates, but commonly in Europe,
the Middle East.
places in that area, it's uh,the fig sign is a little bit
like, ooh.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_ (19:02):
Good to know.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (19:05):
people can also have group and personal
superstitions.
It's not always just this largecultural superstition, uh, like
football fans not washing theirjerseys, if that's common in
their team.
Some family traditions not beingupheld can be seen as bad luck.
Maybe grandma's got a particularcasserole dish that she uses

(19:29):
every single Thanksgiving, andif she can't find it, if you
borrowed it and didn't return itall hell will break loose.
You don't know.
Um, and we can have our ownpersonal rituals in our own
lives that may create our ownsuperstitions for ourselves.
So I was trying to think of onethat I have in my own personal

(19:50):
life, and it's actually withRiver was the one that I thought
of.
And it's the fact that everytime we part ways, we say one
for the road and clink our vapestogether,

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025 (20:00):
Yeah, we do.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (20:02):
and it all like, if we ever don't do
that, it feels wrong.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_11 (20:05):
It feels weird.
It feels like we didn't dosomething we were supposed to.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (20:10):
yeah, it's sort of a superstition now
to where we have to do thatbefore we part ways.
So I would consider that asuperstition.
And I will end on some of thesuperstitions that I participate
in or believe in, in my dailylife.
So knock on wood, I do knock onwood.
I throw salt over my leftshoulder.

(20:30):
If I've spilled salt, I pick upa penny.
If it is heads up, uh, I docross my fingers to hope for
good luck or to repel bad luck,whatever.
Uh, seeing angel numbers, Ithink is a superstition.
Uh, I believe in beginner'sluck.
I believe that if you have anitchy palm, that means that

(20:53):
money will be coming your way.
I've been told the left palm,just in my experience, uh, I do
believe in not opening umbrellasinside.
I just think that that's weird.
In general, why would you openan umbrella

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-20 (21:05):
Yeah.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (21:07):
unless you're standing in a social
situation when you are toasting,I always clink the glass, touch
the drink to the table, and thentake a sip.
Uh, like I said, like if you'reat a cocktail party or something
and there's not a table around,obviously you can just clink and
then sip.
But if you're sitting at atable, you should touch the
table first,

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-20 (21:26):
Shots too.
You

skye_1_03-09-2025 (21:28):
specifically.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You gotta hit the table and thentake the shot.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2 (21:31):
Uhhuh,

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (21:32):
Uh, finding a four-leaf clover being
good luck.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025 (21:35):
you found multiple at Anaida,

skye_1_03-09-2025_11044 (21:37):
Mm-hmm.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-202 (21:38):
Like a bunch.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (21:40):
Uh, when you're walking with
someone, especially down asidewalk or something, uh, don't
let a pole or a tree split youup.
You both pick the same side ofthe pole or tree.
Um, I always stir my drinksclockwise, whether I'm adding
intention or not.
I just, I feel like, like doingit backwards would feel weird

(22:02):
and I feel like that's kind oflike a superstition.
And lastly, I did put the, I dokiss my hand and touch the roof
of my car when I'm running ayellow light.
So that's, that's some of mine,that's some superstitions.
I just thought it would be funto talk about, just'cause
they're, they're just littlequirks that just are fleeting.
They just come and go in amoment.

(22:24):
Um, but I'd be happy to diveinto the history of another
superstition later on

peepoo-host298_1_03-09- (22:30):
Mm-hmm.
What about your black cat?

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (22:34):
My black cat, I just know vaguely
black cats are like, justassociated with witchcraft and
witches could turn into cats andthat's why they were bad luck.
Why They're good luck probablyoriginates from Egypt and how
they just like worship cats.
That one's not really super indepth questions from either of

(22:55):
you.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_110 (22:57):
I got a little distracted'cause I
had to put Hermes in jailtowards the end of that.
So part in my absence, I just, Ialways find it so darling and
charming to just hear aboutother people's, like little
quirks and their, just liketheir little ways of navigating
the world of like, I don't haveto do this logically, but I like

(23:20):
to do this

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (23:21):
Yeah.
'cause like what if it justgives me an extra little boost
of luck?
Like what if it like,'cause Idon't believe that if I don't do
a superstition that it willbefall bad luck per se.
But if I follow the ritual theway it's quote unquote supposed
to be, maybe it can help alittle

peepoo-host298_1_03-09- (23:39):
Mm-hmm.
I reset my tarot deck sometimeswhen I like, really wanna have a
clear reading, especially ifit's gonna be a big one, so I'll
put it mm-hmm.
I'll put'em back in order beforeI shuffle.
Yeah.
Not really, I mean, it doesn'ttake too, too long.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_1 (23:58):
Mm.
I feel like for me, I'd be like,oh fuck, what comes next?
Oh, where

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025_1 (24:02):
I love doing it.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (24:03):
I feel like shuffling a tarot deck is
like seasoning a cast ironskillet though.
Like I feel like I couldn'tscrub a away.
Like it's got all the flavorfrom me shuffling over and over
and over again.
Yeah.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_1 (24:16):
How delightful.
And hopefully nobody uses theseagainst you in the future.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (24:22):
Uses what?
My

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025_ (24:23):
do that?

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025 (24:24):
Yeah.
I don't know.
You just put a bunch of laddersaround you.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (24:29):
people have, um, I didn't mention the,
the latter one was one that Ibelieved in under my, um, I
don't find that I'm aroundladders often enough.
I wouldn't walk under

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025 (24:41):
Well,

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (24:41):
for safety purposes.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_1 (24:43):
now you own one.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (24:44):
I do own one now.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025_ (24:46):
Oh wow.
You own a ladder?

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (24:48):
lot of them.
Yeah.
We bought one yesterday.
A lot of them have to do withthem leaning against a wall
specifically.
And I feel like a lot of modernladders just open up

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_1 (24:56):
mm.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (24:57):
and you're not really able to walk
under them unless they're super,super tall.
But historically, people haveutilized superstitions for
personal gain, often with profitbecause they'll take advantage
of the culture, what they knowthat the culture believes in.
And they'll fear monger and selltrinkets to,

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025 (25:15):
Yeah.
A lucky rabbit's foot.
A lucky horseshoe.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (25:20):
yeah, exactly.
So people can exploit and takeadvantage of people's
superstitions.
It's happened for millennia, I'msure, but now

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025_ (25:31):
No

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (25:32):
going to puppy.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2 (25:34):
Poppy.
That's me.
Oh, that was lovely.
Thank you, sky.
Um, okay.
Well, my topic starts with alittle visualization again.
I love this topic, and while Iwas researching it a little bit
more, the image just came reallystrongly into my mind.
So I felt like I needed to getit down on paper and I'll just

(25:57):
share it with you.
It was a hot day.
You and your brothers had run upand down Rocky crags Baking
under the unforgiving sun.
Your strong broad feet navigatedthe rough terrain with an easy
grace, while your short legsstrapped with muscle carried you
across the cliffs and throughthe sparse forest that made up
your landscape.

(26:19):
Despite the aches and pains thathad leached their way into your
bones a little more painful eachyear, your body felt powerful,
unstoppable, and alive.
Like every part of you was madeto do this.
Even your broad nose and widenostrils efficiently pulled
oxygen rich air into your lungs,fueling the muscles that drove
your hunt sweat dripped fromyour low brow as your eyes

(26:42):
scanned the cliffs for iex.
The wild goats with largetwisted horns.
You were sometimes lucky enoughto bring back to your group.
When you spotted one.
You glanced to your brothers,communicating silently through
your body language, strategizinghow best a spirit.
Later on after dragging it backto the cave, you shared a
temporary home.

(27:02):
During this hunting season, youwould cook and eat and laugh
with the others.
Someone would take the hide ofthe iex and scrape and scrape
and scrape until it wasrendered, supple and usable for
clothing or bedding.
You turn in for the night with afull belly and a smile.
It's warm on this night, soinstead of sleeping piled upon

(27:22):
each other as you do during thecool months, you stretch away
from the group, settlingyourself down near the back of
the cave, or it's just a littlecooler.
You drift off to sleep and dreamof the mountains and the sky and
the faces of the people you lovemost in this world.
A while later, you awake to thesound and feeling of rumbling

(27:42):
before you can move or even situp.
Rocks tumble from the ceiling asthe cave collapses around you.
The falling rocks crush yourbody and your skull killing you
almost instantly.
Your last thought, fleeting butpotent is desperate.
Hope that your family managed toescape.
You might be happy and sad toknow that most of them did tens

(28:05):
of thousands of years later.
Tensions are running high onearth.
Humans have spread across theglobe and have made a real mess
of things.
It's the 1950s, and whileRussians are launching men into
space, Ralph Solecki and histeam of archeologists from
Columbia University explore theShaar Rock Shelter in the
mountainous Kurdistan region ofIraq.

(28:27):
Fuck, there, they would find thefossilized remains of nine,
eventually 12 HomoNeanderthalensis, who died
somewhere between 65 and 35,000years ago.
So today I'm gonna be talkingabout Sctm Shaar, um, also known

(28:47):
as the Shaar Rock shelter inKurdistan.
so this archeological site is anincredible glimpse into the
life, and death of Neanderthals.
This one is especially importantto the field, um, because it
offers potential medical,cultural, and social insights,
um, especially the way thatNeanderthals cared for the

(29:10):
living and how they treatedtheir dead.
yeah, so, so this specificarcheological site, um, gives us
a lot of information about thelife and the death of
Neanderthals.
So that's kind of the tie in to,uh, death that I was going for.
So the discovery of this site,um, between 1957 and 1961, Ralph

(29:35):
Solecki and his team uncoveredthe remains of 10 different men,
women, and children.
they were directed to this siteby locals in the region.
and there's a really longhistory here between the Kurds
and, Iraq.
Like there's a, there's likerebellions and ongoing war.
And the long, and the short ofit is that people in Kurdistan

(29:59):
have very, very strong feelingsof nationalism and like national
pride.
And part of that is that they'resuper proud of their
archeological sites and theartifacts and their really
proud, that quote, the oldestman in the world is from their

(30:20):
region.
Uh, whether that's true or not,you know, who knows?
But that, that's what theyclaim.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110 (30:25):
Question.
Do you think that that's wherethey came up with the name for
the movie, the Crudes?
Do you think that's a riff offof

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025_1 (30:34):
I don't know.
I have not seen the crudes.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (30:36):
good.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025 (30:38):
Are they Neanderthals?

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_110 (30:41):
I think so.
I've never seen it, but they'vegot that prominent neanderthal
brow

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-20 (30:48):
Yeah.
Did I see?
Isn't there a dinosaur orsomething in that that's not
like accurate?

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09- (30:55):
probably.

skye_1_03-09-2025_1104 (30:55):
Probably

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_ (30:56):
take liberties,

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025 (30:58):
Um, but yeah, so they're, so they're
really proud of theirarcheological artifacts and
whatnot.
So much so that, that has been atarget, by the, uh, like
totalitarian, I don't know ifthat's the right word there, but
like the government that'strying to keep'em down, they'll
go and destroy archeologicalsites and artifacts and like

(31:20):
raid museums and stuff just to,to kind of like ruin that part
of their culture.
So anyway, these local people,um, directed them toward this
cave that was kind of known tohave a lot of, history and
artifacts there.
So this site is about half amile from a river.
It's 2100 feet above sea level.

(31:40):
Rock falls are super commonhere.
Um, so it's dangerous toexcavate.
Uh, and like I'm, oh no, I guessI didn't mention this yet, but
the cave was also a burial sitefor humans.
there's still neolithic, Ithink.
So there, it's still from like along, long, long time ago, um,
about 10,000 years ago.
but there are 35 human bodiesfound there as well, on top of a

(32:05):
deeper layer that holds the, um,Neanderthal fossils.
so those are from potentiallywhat's called natufian culture,
which is, um, an interestingphenomenon because, you know,
like back then before theagricultural revolution, people
were mostly nomadic, like movingaround, following prey and
whatnot.

(32:26):
Um, but these groups weresedentary before the
agricultural revolution, so it'spretty cool.
Uh, so Ralph and the gang,they're coming back and forth to
Kurdistan and in 1957 they comeback, they find three un
fossilized, partial Neanderthalskeletons.
They call these shaar one, two,and three.

(32:48):
That's how Fossil remains ofhominids are named, the site
name and then the order in whichthey're found, hence 1, 2, 3.
shaar two and three werefragmentary.
three was only a skull.
Shannon R one was nearlycomplete, which was a crazy good
find.
Uh, so I'm gonna get a littlebit more into him and what he's

(33:10):
all about later on.
But he's an incredible,incredible specimen that tells
us so much about, their culture,their, their social practices
and whatnot.
Three years later, they comeback again and they find Shannon
R four, which was later known asthe flower burial.
We'll get into that too.

(33:30):
And then within that same chunkof earth below, they found
fragments of three more, twoadults, and then the vertebrae
of one baby.
So those would come to be knownas Shannon Art, six, eight, and
nine.
Nearby they found, uh, numberfive who was damaged and
scattered.
Uh, they found number seven,also scattered skull teeth, some

(33:53):
parts of the skeleton.
And a quick note I wanted totouch on, which I thought was
pretty interesting, is thatinfants, when they were found,
for the most part, like acrossthe board, throughout Europe,
and Western Asia.
Infants are usually found buriedwith adults.
So they're not usually foundburied separately.
which is interesting'cause it'slike, okay, were they killed at

(34:15):
the same time?
Was, you know, one dug up andthen the other put in there.
Is it like a children buriedwith their parents kind of
situation?

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (34:25):
I imagine a lot of it is probably
like death and childbirth sortof situation.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-20 (34:30):
Well, you would think that, but most
of these infants are two yearsold or so, so, they're, they're
not newborns.
They're like, they were, um,alive for a year or two.
There have been newbornNeanderthals found though.
Um, the one that I almost didwas I think Laier, who's like

(34:52):
the famous Parisian baby thatwent missing during World War II
and like showed up again andblah, blah, blah, whatever.
So that's babies, that'sinfants.
Later on, uh, Shauna, our 10,another infant was found, in the
year 2000 and then in 2018 theyfound remains of two more, 11
and 12.

(35:13):
Um, so that's pretty recent.
see.
I was gonna read a passage frommy main source, but I think I'm
gonna skip that'cause I don'twant this to be like too long,
but.
My main source for this is, Ithink I recommended this last
year, kindred, Neanderthal Life,love, death, and Art by Rebecca

(35:34):
Rag Sykes.
it's fantastic.
It's comprehensive.
Uh, you can read the physicalbook.
I also bought the audio book tolisten to while I drive.
Um, it's narrated by the author.
She has a very pleasing Britishaccent, so it's a, I recommend
it.
You should read it.
Okay, so I'm gonna tell you alittle bit more about five of

(35:57):
these specimens.
Uh, so starting with Shaar twoand five, they originate from
about 46,000 years ago.
Um, number two, he was a male,about 30 years old.
He had arthritis.
He was found laying on his rightside with his skull crushed, and

(36:17):
he likely died in a rock fall.
He was five foot two, which is alittle bit shorter than average.
His bones were scattered and hehad teeth marks on his tibia,
which suggested that scavengersdid get to his remains.
But there was an indication thathe was buried ritualistically.
There was a little pile ofstones that they think was kind

(36:41):
of like a grave marker.
Uh, he was buried with lithics,which are.
Intentionally carved stonepieces, whether it was like a
tool or a weapon or whatever,and there was a fire nearby.
So all of that suggests that hewas buried intentionally and
then probably dug up later

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (37:00):
that imply that?
Neanderthals had maybe notwritten language, but they had
marks like they had markers thatthey were somehow able to read.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025 (37:12):
um, I mean, so like symbols?
Yes.
Like I assume that, so kind oflike I hinted at, in my
narrative at the beginning, thisplace in particular, most places
were seasonal domiciles.
So they would come and go yearafter year.
This particular one was usedlike over the span of 30,000

(37:35):
years by groups of differentpeople.
And so I'm assuming, you know,they, someone died, they buried
them there, they left, and whenthey came back, you know, they
wanted to be able to revisit thesite.
So there's that symbolism.
They also created art, likethere are carvings in stone.

(37:56):
They have, um, ochre paintings,kind of like human paintings.
so they, while they didn't havewritten language, they were
capable of.
Physically representing thingsthrough, you know, physical
mediums, which is prettyinteresting.
We don't know if they havespoken language either.

(38:16):
I'm gonna get to that in alittle bit too.
yeah.
Does that answer your question?

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (38:21):
It does, yes.
Thank you.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-20 (38:23):
Okay.
Nearby number two was numberfive.
Also probably male, but we'renot sure.
Between 40 and 50 years old.
he died likely in the samerockfall, so they were buried
near each other.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (38:36):
That's probably pretty old.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-20 (38:38):
yeah.
Yeah, that is pretty old.
That's about the upper range forthem.
Although I think they did findat least one that was like 60
not on this site, but in adifferent site.
yeah, so this guy between 40 and50 probably died in the same
rockfall.
He was also scattered probablyby scavengers, the same ones
that dug up number two.

(39:01):
Okay.
Now we'll talk about, Shaarfour, the flower burial.
So, they did some environmentalsampling and they found whole
grains of pollen in the soil,like super, super old,
suggesting that whole flowers,or at least like the heads of
flowers, had been placed in thegrave.

(39:21):
The flowers they found werethought to be from plants with
medicinal qualities.
Um, they had guro corn flour,ragwort, holly Hawk and some
other stuff.
Um, so the theory was maybe thisperson was a medicine man or a
shaman or something like that.
so if, if that's actually trueand that's these flowers were
intentionally placed, it couldmean that they had fairly

(39:45):
complex ritualistic burials,like much more complex than we
initially thought.
However recent evidence saysthey probably weren't placed
into the grave.
so they found really old burrowsof mariani's ssus, AKA Persian
jud, and he's so cute.

(40:06):
Google him if you can.
Um, but they found burrowsnearby for this little mammal.
He kind of looks like a bunnyand a rat together.
So they like to dig burrows andthen drag flowers and seeds and
plants and whatnot into theirburrows.
So it's thought that that'sprobably what happened there.

(40:29):
Yeah, he's so tiny.
He's so cute.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_110 (40:33):
I just, I pulled up another tab
and I saw a picture and I went,yeah, that's nice.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-20 (40:38):
yeah.
That's a Jud.
Mm-hmm.
It's got a little lion tail andit's black.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (40:44):
So you're saying that this little
rodent dragged these flowersdown there.
You think,

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2 (40:48):
that's the theory.
So while it, I, it was probablythose little Persian jerks, but
there's still a chance that itwas intentional.
We can, we can't say 100% forsure.
You know,

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_ (41:01):
long ago.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025_ (41:02):
it happened a really long time ago.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (41:04):
why can't it be both?
Why can't it be intentional bythe jurors?

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_1 (41:09):
Why can't life be magical and
beautiful?

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025_ (41:12):
is

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (41:13):
it was a shaman and the jurors
recognized the shaman and,

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-202 (41:18):
him.
yeah, maybe, maybe this is likea, a Disney movie.
so like I said, in this samearea, they found three other
specimens, three other people,um, two adults and one infant.
Unfortunately, they were superfragile and they were found in

(41:39):
like 1960.
So.
They weren't super gentle withthem and during transport,
everything got kind of mixed up.
So it's difficult to say howthey were positioned.
Um, like who was with who, whowas in what strata.
Uh, so they can't really telllike relationally which came

(42:01):
first, which came second, etcetera.
onto, or like looking more atburial practices.
There have been no intactskeletons of Neanderthal's ever
found from open air sites.
So this indicates burial of somesort body posture.

(42:22):
when they're found Humans andNeanderthals are very different.
at this time.
Humans mostly laid out theirdead on their backs, sometimes
with their hands kind of ontheir chests like you see still
today.
Um, sometimes they were on theirsides, but, uh, with their arms
and legs bent.
But that was not, that was morerare.

(42:42):
Neanderthals, on the other hand,were mostly found on their sides
curled up in the fetal position,or they were mostly on their
side, but then kind of laying alittle bit on their back, kind
of like a, like a supine twist.
The yoga pose, if you canimagine that.
so that's interesting, the factthat they had very specific body

(43:06):
positions, and again, we can'tsay whether this is necessarily
ritualistic or if there's anykind of, like religious intent,
you know?
I mean, my human brainautomatically goes to returning
to the, like before birthposition, right?
Like you're returning into theearth in the fetal position, but

(43:29):
we can't say whether that istheir intention or not, you
know?
so yeah, so Shauna DAR fourprobably not buried with
flowers, but tightly curled intothe fetal position.
And one below four, one, uh, Idon't know if it was six, seven
or eight, was on its side, likekind of in that supine twist,

(43:52):
position.
And it had possibly a, uh, alithic, like a carved stone
object enclosed in its hand andone placed over its heart when
it died.
that seems intentional to me,but who's to say maybe a juror
carried them in and placed themin their hand?

(44:14):
I've got two more, Sean, at Rthree.
He was stabbed in the chest,either deliberately or maybe
accidentally.
It could have been a huntingaccident, but it could have
been, it Could have been afight, could have been murder.
he was stabbed so deeply thatthe point slashed across two of

(44:35):
his ribs.
and a little bit of the stonegot, uh, like embedded in his
ribs.
And when they healed, becausethey did heal, they enclosed it
around the bone.
So he lived for at least twoweeks afterwards, possibly
longer.
And that's just based on, um,what we can see of like the, the

(44:58):
ribs healing before he died.
It's crazy how much you can tellfrom a skeleton.
what does this mean?
If he stabbed in the chest sodeeply that it is scraping two
of his ribs, that's a fatalwound.
Like, you know you're gonna die.
That's a possible puncturedlung.

(45:18):
You're not up and walkingaround.
Um, you probably can't evenreally breathe that well.
So what does that mean?
That means someone has to bringyou food and water.
Someone has to be taking care ofyou, So this concept, the
concept of compassionate care,uh, is really interesting.
Because we think of likealtruistic helping for the sake

(45:41):
of helping rather than to getsomething back as like a human
concept.
But it's possible that this was,a neanderthal practice as well.
So on.
In other sites you see olderchildren with, signs of being
significantly disabled, but theylive until they're, you know,
five or six years old, whichagain means that someone is
caring for them.

(46:03):
And if you think about it, adisabled child, a dying person,
they can't really contribute tothe group in a way that would
indicate, uh, the transactionalnature of care.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025 (46:18):
can't give anything back for what they
receive.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09- (46:22):
mm-hmm.
So they're receiving care.
They're unable to, to give back.
So that means whoever is caringfor them is doing it out of
compassion or, love, whatever itmay be.
yeah.
So obviously they were socialcreatures.
Um, just like us.

(46:43):
That's the reason that we arehere today is because we were
social creatures, And anothernote about him, his teeth show
some of the most diverse foodsamples that we have.
so they found date, palms,legumes, multiple different
types of legumes, unidentifiedroots and tubers, no meat.
They did not find any traces ofmeat in his teeth.

(47:05):
and it's thought, I think theyfound some grasses too.
And generally they thought thatNeanderthal's practiced, eating
chi.
Do you guys know what chi is?
It's basically like within, um,undulates like cows and, uh,
goats and whatnot.
Mm-hmm.
It's like partially digestedgrasses and stuff.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (47:28):
Yeah, time

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-20 (47:30):
yeah,

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_11 (47:31):
I.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-202 (47:31):
What

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025 (47:31):
How'd they get that?
How do you eat that?

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-202 (47:34):
you, you kill an animal and you cut
open.
Its its stomach and yeah.
I mean, bro, you're gonna starveif you don't eat ev every part
of that animal.
Right.
Um, okay, so onto our last one.
Most interesting one in myopinion is Shaar.
One, he had a hard fucking life.

(47:56):
This dude went through it.
He had a series of seriousinjuries and disease and it
really took it, its toll on hisbody.
It's very evident from hisskeleton.
So he was 30 to 45 years old.
Uh, he was the first one theyfound, and researchers nicknamed
him Nandy, I guess forNeanderthal e

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (48:20):
Dy.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-20 (48:21):
Nady.
So he had a really bad headinjury when he was younger, um,
to the side of his head, like acrushing smashing blow to the
side of his head.
and this fractured his orbitalbone, which left him either with
partial or total blindness.
In that one eye, he had hearingloss, so he had bone spurs in

(48:43):
his ear.
his left one was only partiallyblocked by the bone spurs, but
the right one was completelyblocked.
So he was, almost completelydeaf.
There is also evidence that hehad a degenerative disease just
based on the, the way his teethwere worn down.
I don't know about the detailsof that then I'm not done.

(49:04):
He had a spinal injury, whichfucked up the function in one of
his arms, so he couldn't use hisright arm and it became like
withered because he wasn't usingit.
Uh, it was also fractured inmultiple places, meaning it was
broken at one point, and then itlooks like based on.
How sharp the bone fragmentsare.

(49:26):
It looks like the lower half ofhis arm was amputated.
So if it was amputated, this isone of the earliest known
evidences of surgery, if that'strue.
which is crazy.
Like not only are they caringfor this person, but they're
going through, the trouble ofperforming surgery on him.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (49:47):
Give my guy a break, dude.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025 (49:49):
I'm not done, bro.
This dude, this man, Mandy,

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025 (49:54):
half.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-20 (49:56):
yeah.
So the same spinal injury thatmessed up his arm.
Also led to partial paralysis onhis right side.
Um, so he lost function, not allof the function, but he lost a
good amount of function in hisright leg, and his foot, which
created a limp.
So he walked with a limp, andyou can see that in the way his
bones are formed, at some pointin his life, he had also broken

(50:19):
both of his legs.
But they healed.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_ (50:22):
Come on dude.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025 (50:25):
But they healed

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (50:26):
Who is beating him?
Who?
Who's beating the shit outtathis guy?

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-202 (50:30):
Life was hard back then, man, if you
could fall, he, so in this areait's very mountainous, it's very
rocky.
There are cliffs.
If he's already walking with alimp, you could potentially see
how accidents could happen.
Hunting accidents, um, based onthe way that he was cared for
and how much he was able to healand the amputation and, and, and

(50:54):
surviving mostly deaf andpartially blind in this world.
I don't think that he would'vebeen beaten to the point of
breaking bones, you know, Imean, who knows what happened.
truly.
But based on the degree thatthey were caring for him, I
can't see them beating the shitout of him.
yeah, so he was living with aton of pain daily, daily pain.

(51:19):
but he still showed signs thathe had well developed leg
muscles, so he was still mobileand walking around.
Um, and he maintained use of hisleft arm probably making stone
tools or scraping hides orsomething like that.
And then later in his life, hedeveloped, um, a disease called

(51:40):
dish that is diffuse, idiopathicskeletal, hyperos, ptosis, um,
also known as forest steersdisease.
Uh, no, it's worse than that.
That's osteoporosis.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (51:55):
I thought it was like an extreme
osteoporosis.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025 (51:58):
no, it's worse.
I don't know.
I mean, osteoporosis is bad.
Uh, this sounds like hell to me.
so if, if that is.
Truly what he had, then it's theearliest sign of this disease
that we have on record.
So not only was he the first,like one of the first surgery
cases, he also had this rareish, skeletal disease.

(52:20):
So dish is a type of arthritisthat makes your tissues calcify
and stiffen and basically like,yeah, like harden into rocky
minerally material.
Um, that's muscle tendon,ligaments, et cetera, which
sounds painful as fuck.
It also causes bone spurs allover your body, and he had some

(52:41):
in his head.
and it causes a lot of pain.
So today, modern treatments forit, uh, you're supposed to
exercise, like there's physicaltherapy you can do for it, and
then you take pain meds.
Andy didn't have pain meds, hedidn't have extra strength
Tylenol.
He didn't have a physicaltherapist, so he was living with

(53:04):
chronic pain daily every singleday.
But despite all of this, hehealed, he survived after
sustaining all of theseinjuries.
so someone was taking care ofhim.
They brought him food because hedefinitely couldn't hunt for
himself, being mostly deaf andblind.
so what does this mean?

(53:24):
Again, we see that compassionatecare, that we saw with the stab
victim.
We think of Neanderthals asthese big, like stupid knuckle,
dragging, violent brutes.
but we see evidence of extensivelong-term care and compassion
for an individual that probablycould not physically contribute

(53:45):
much to the group.
So it's possible that he was ofhigh social status, like he was
an important person.
It's possible he had a lot ofknowledge that he could share,
um, like a knowledgeable wiseelder.
I also wanna say neanderthalbrains were larger than in
modern humans.
Um, they were more elongated,but they had very large sections

(54:09):
dedicated specifically to visionand movement, which left less
space for, like cognition andlanguage and quote, higher
thinking.
'cause humans, we have a muchlarger cerebellum, which is
like, where a lot of thathappens.
A lot of that magic happens.
So we don't know whether theyhave spoken language or not.

(54:30):
Um, if he only had use of onearm and his voice, he could
communicate fairly well.
If he did not, who knows?
Maybe, maybe he was not an elderimparting his wisdom on the
group.
So.
Leads to a lot of questionsabout, um, how he and and other

(54:50):
Neanderthals communicated.
So how did he die?
There's evidence he probablyalso died in a rockfall

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-202 (54:58):
That's the

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-20 (54:58):
area.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_ (54:59):
took him out after all that.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025_1 (55:02):
I mean, three of the five that
we've talked about have died inRockfalls.
So, yeah, so we probably gotsmashed in a rockfall after
surviving all of that.
And then he just like has aboulder fall on him.
In 1980, Jean Oel, wrote a novelcalled The Clan of the Cave
Bear, and she based one of hercharacters off of him, off of

(55:24):
Nady.
So he's immortalized in popculture because of that.
And I just wanna end my topic,talking a little bit about
memory and remembrance andimmortal through memory, because
some people are, a lot of peopleare really obsessed with leaving
their mark on the world one wayor another.

(55:45):
they just wanna be remembered byanyone.
It's why we carve our initialsinto trees and rocks.
It's why we name places afterourselves.
It's why some people havechildren because they want, uh,
that legacy they want to live onthrough something else.
But if you think about it, goback just a handful of
generations, like what can youtell me about your great-great

(56:08):
grandfather?

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_11 (56:09):
If I'm being real, not even the
name.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-20 (56:12):
yeah.
Just a handful of generationsback and we don't really know
much.
Uh, and we are gonna beforgotten too, probably, you
know, less than a hundred yearsfrom now who's gonna know our
names.
But these people, these 10people that were found here,
they lived thousands andthousands of years ago.

(56:32):
They never could have imaginedthe mark that they've left on
the world, both physically andculturally, academically,
medically.
so we'll never know their truenames or their favorite colors
or the intimate details of theirlife.
We know if they walked with alimp, how often they ran in
their day-to-day life.
We know which sides of theirmouth they preferred to chew on.

(56:55):
We know how they clamped hidesbetween their teeth as they
scraped, um, if they were rightor left-handed.
We know how they held themselvesand their bodies, like what
their posture was, whether theylived every day with chronic
pain, how other people cared forthem and their bodies in life
and in death.
And in some cases we can evenreconstruct their faces.

(57:17):
So.
I just wanna take a minute andthink about and honor all of
those ancestors that came beforeus.
Um, the long line of mothers,you know, that stretches all the
way back.
All the way back.
the reason that we're heretoday, thousands of generations
over.
in some cases we even bred withthem.
So we're not, we're not thatdifferent after all.

(57:38):
Some of us still carry thatactual genetic material within
our bodies today.
So many faces that we'll neverknow, we'll never get to hear
their funny stories or abouttheir grief, their love, their
pleasures, their sorrows.
But we can still honor them onthe whole.
So, thanks guys.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (58:00):
Amen to that.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-202 (58:01):
Thanks

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025 (58:02):
And that's it.
And I guess I'll leave on aquestion too.
How much do you guys care aboutbeing remembered after you die?

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (58:10):
Not much.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025 (58:12):
Not much.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_110 (58:13):
I mean, I feel like I have that
natural human impulse'cause I'mchildless and I plan on being
childless for my entire life.
So some days I'll be laying inbed almost 30 years old and I'm
like, oh God, my God, I have nolineage or whatever.
But

peepoo-host298_1_03-09- (58:32):
Mm-hmm.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-202 (58:32):
passes fairly quickly.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-20 (58:34):
Yeah.
I feel like for me, impulsively,like biologically almost.
I also wanna leave that.
Mark on the world, and I feel alittle bit more anxious about
dying, I think, because withoutthat, legacy or whatever, it's
like, was I even here to beginwith?
But I was, and I am, and is allI

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-20 (58:56):
mm-hmm.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025 (58:57):
who cares what comes

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_ (58:58):
It's also this.
People have been feeling theseexact feelings and fears and
these human drives and impulseslong before we were born and
long after we'll die.
It's like the human universalexperience of being like, I'm
only here for a short time andthen

peepoo-host298_1_03-09- (59:16):
Mm-hmm.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_ (59:17):
Fuck

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (59:18):
I also think that it's sort of a mental
balm, um, for that fear of deathto sort of say, well, when I'm
gone.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-20 (59:30):
through

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (59:31):
when I'm gone, at least there's this
thing that I either did orcreated or what have you.
I feel like when I think aboutbeing dead, if someone thinks of
me and is, and misses me, evenif it's for a short period, I'm
like, well, that's nice, but Idon't feel a particular, I don't

(59:53):
need people hundreds of yearsfrom now to remember my name and
when the people who know me dieout

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_11 (01:00:00):
or anything that people

peepoo-host298_1_03-09- (01:00:02):
Mm-hmm.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (01:00:03):
know.
And God forbid this podcast mayoutlive me.
So,

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_ (01:00:08):
This might be our legacy.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025_ (01:00:11):
Oh no.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (01:00:12):
that's

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025 (01:00:12):
might be the way we're remembered.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025 (01:00:15):
The 10 minute compilation of River's
Bitch

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_ (01:00:18):
From me complaining about my

peepoo-host298_1_03 (01:00:20):
disparaging her.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025 (01:00:21):
what?
That's how I wanna beremembered.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (01:00:24):
You die and leave a real wife behind

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025_1 (01:00:26):
I

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-20 (01:00:27):
somehow get married to a woman and she's
like, I, you never said that.
I never heard that.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09- (01:00:34):
mm-hmm.
To your face.
But yeah, if you have onenearby, maybe go visit your
local cemetery.
You know, walk around, look atsome gravestone, look at some
headstones.
they probably won't tell youmuch, but they'll give you a
name that's something.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09- (01:00:52):
Sometimes what I think is the sweetest is
much like the, the care that theNeanderthals have is you'll see
gravestones that have like happybirthday balloons tied to them

peepoo-host298_1_03-09- (01:01:04):
Mm-hmm.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_ (01:01:04):
like little trinkets and
remembrances.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-20 (01:01:07):
Yeah.
Shot glass.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_ (01:01:11):
That was beautiful.
That was beautiful.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-20 (01:01:12):
Yeah.
So that's, that's Sean at ourRock Shelter in uh, Kurdistan.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_1 (01:01:18):
are they still having like rock
slides to this day

peepoo-host298_1_03-09- (01:01:21):
Mm-hmm.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_110 (01:01:22):
I see.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-20 (01:01:23):
Yeah.
Also, I don't know, like when Iwas reading about this at first
I was picturing a cave, youknow, like not a super big cave,
maybe the size of a house orsomething.
No, this thing is fucking huge.
Like if you go look at picturesof it originally, I mean, if you
look at pictures, there's reallyno scale until you look a little

(01:01:46):
bit closer and you see the fencearound the actual excavation and
the scale is insane.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_ (01:01:53):
see,

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025_ (01:01:54):
so so deep into the earth, into the
ground.
huge.
It's so big.
So you can see how like groupsof people would live there for,
or not even live there, but likecome and go from there.
And it was a big central placefor these people to return to
every year, which is crazy tothink about for thousands and

(01:02:14):
thou, tens of thousands ofyears.
Let's see what's on the menunext.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-202 (01:02:20):
what's on the menu next.
I feel unfortunately, I feel soscattered and like not locked in
because of the cats have beenjust absolutely spatting and
spitting at each other thisentire recording.
So I was not able to give myfull brain space and attention
to y'all while you were doingyour thing, which is

(01:02:43):
disappointing and frustratingjust for me personally.
But the show goes on, and youknow what?
I respect that.
And you don't have to and no.
And you know what?
If you want to click off thisepisode right here, be my guest.
Oh, bye.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025_1 (01:02:57):
I hang up.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_1 (01:02:59):
And so it is.
But I, after these wonderfulrandom segments we've had
already, I'm coming at you witha different wonderful random
segment.
And this is not scientificwhatsoever.
This is literally just me.

(01:03:21):
Yapping to y'all about the playthe Bke by Let's Fucking Go.
I just get to tell y'all astory.

peepoo-host298_1_03 (01:03:33):
Debauchery.
I'm ready.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09- (01:03:36):
vengeance consequence.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025 (01:03:40):
The Secret History by Donna Tart.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025 (01:03:42):
Babe, bring that copy so I can read it

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025_ (01:03:45):
it to you

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_110 (01:03:47):
I don't have it.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025 (01:03:48):
Did I not.
I

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_1 (01:03:49):
did not.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-202 (01:03:49):
time I visited.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-202 (01:03:50):
ma'am.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-202 (01:03:51):
Huh?
Are you sure?

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_11 (01:03:53):
it in my walls.
I know.
It's on like Spotify as an audiobook,

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-20 (01:03:59):
Yeah.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_11 (01:03:59):
so there's that option.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (01:04:01):
gave

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-202 (01:04:01):
look for it then.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (01:04:02):
and that's all I got.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-20 (01:04:04):
Yeah.
I gave someone, the winteringbook too.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_ (01:04:10):
That was me, and then I passed it
along to Sky.
so it's a complicated web of

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-20 (01:04:16):
Yeah.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_ (01:04:17):
have going about.
Yeah.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (01:04:19):
Did I return that to you?
The wintering book?

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025_1 (01:04:22):
I don't know.
I don't know if I've been theresince I gave it to you in
January maybe,

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_1 (01:04:29):
Mm.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2 (01:04:30):
Rachel still has one of mine that I
wanna read again, so I'm gonnahave to hold a gun to her

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-20 (01:04:35):
Mm-hmm.
You hold her baby hostage.
Any who?
Nobody's holding any baby'shostage.
We like to have fun here, so I'mgonna be telling you about, uh,
URI Bka or Bke.
There are many ways to pronounceit.
It's a very short, it's not aterribly long play.

(01:04:56):
You can knock it out in probablylike an hour, or take.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (01:05:01):
was that man on the cover?

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-202 (01:05:02):
That's Elvis Presley.
I am.
That's Elvis, that's a youngElvis Presley.
I'm not entirely sure why he'son this cover.
I don't know.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (01:05:12):
of him?
Like, what is going

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_1 (01:05:13):
Uh, I don't know if it's, oh, I
think it's his army picture.
'cause it, it

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (01:05:19):
Oh,

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_1 (01:05:20):
set has army written here off to the
side.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025_1 (01:05:25):
I can see why, uh, he was such a
heartthrob.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_11 (01:05:28):
he did create a lot of frenzy,
especially in young women, andthere was like that fear of like
women's liberation and liketheir sexuality.
So I can see that aspect to it.
But the rest of it, I'm notentirely sure how it

peepoo-host298_1_03-09- (01:05:43):
Mm-hmm.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_ (01:05:44):
ties into Dionysus as a whole.
But I'm also, I feel like I'mnot gonna be doing it justice
because it's such a good playand I think everybody should
read it on their own.
I am essentially just doinglike, uh, gossip yapping,
telling family drama to people.

(01:06:06):
So this is, we are like in ourcar, parked in the Taco Bell
parking lot at 11:00 PM atnight, and I'm going, oh my God,
I have to tell you this fuckingthing.
You're never gonna believe whathappened.
The,

peepoo-host298_1_03-09- (01:06:18):
wolfing down a crunch wrap

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025 (01:06:19):
yeah.
Yes.
So all that being said, it's agreat play.
You should read it.
It's old as fuck, so I'm sureyou can find a PDF of it online
somewhere.
It was one of Yuri's final playsthat he wrote in exile.
Uh, it was around like earlyfour hundreds, b, CE.

(01:06:42):
It was submitted to festivals,posthumously either by his son
or his nephew.
There have been countlessadaptations and reproductions to
this day.
You can find some of themonline.
There's one I really wanna watchyou can find on YouTube faux
free from 1969.
It's in black and white.

(01:07:04):
It looks crazy as fuck.
I wanna watch it so bad when Ihave the time, but we're gonna
set this stage, no pun intended.
And first I have to give y'all.
A little bit of a family treeand the main players that are
gonna be, um, we'll get to it.

(01:07:24):
We'll get to it and we'll giveit away.
But these are the main people.
We've got Cadmus.
He is the founder and formerKing of Thieves.
He is, was past tense.
The father of Simile, who isDion ISIS's mother.
So he's the grandfather of Dion,ISIS and also Pentheus, who

(01:07:47):
we'll talk about in a second.
We've got Agave, who is one ofthe daughters of Cadmus.
Cadmus had four daughters and Ibelieve one son.
Uh, agave is the mother ofPentheus.
Then we got Pentheus, who is theson of Agave.
He's the current king ofthieves.

(01:08:09):
He's pretty young for a king.
It's, it's noted, he's like acollege age and he's the cousin
of Dion, isis.
And then we got Dion, isis.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09- (01:08:18):
Mm-hmm.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_1 (01:08:19):
How familiar are y'all with this
story, if at all?

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025_ (01:08:22):
at all.
Not at all.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2 (01:08:24):
Alright.
You kept raising your littlefgi, so I was like, you got
something you wanna say?

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (01:08:29):
I do know that agave is also the
goddess of tequila,

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025 (01:08:34):
Yeah, I think that's a different
agave.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (01:08:37):
I

peepoo-host298_1_03-09- (01:08:37):
Mm-hmm.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (01:08:38):
making

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_ (01:08:38):
This agave does not have a happy
ending.
But we'll get to it.
We'll get there when we getthere.
So now that we know the, thenthere are like other people in
the play that play a part, butthese are the main characters
that we're gonna follow, whohave the biggest consequences.

(01:09:00):
And then you got Dion isis.
So the story goes, what happenedin this crazy fucking family
drama?
After traveling around theMiddle East in Asia, spreading
his cult, Dion, ISIS comes tothieves, his mother's homeland
where she died, where he wasforcibly struck out of his

(01:09:23):
mother's womb by lightning.
Uh, and he's here for vengeanceand he's here for retribution
because after his mother's deathto protect her honor and the
family's reputation, or what thefuck ever Cadmus Cunningly
advises his family to say thatsimile was struck down by Zeus

(01:09:46):
because she was lying aboutbeing his lover.
And he didn't like that becausea woman shacking up with a God
was scandalous.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09- (01:09:57):
Mm-hmm.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (01:09:58):
She's tainting the family name.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_ (01:10:01):
It's bad for the family, it's a bad
look and therefore disrespectingsimile in her memory and the
truth, and also denying DionISIS's divinity as a God.
So it's like two different badthings.
Uh, so Dionysus doesn't likethat naturally.

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He has struck all the women ofthieves with madness and they've
left their homes and they'vetaken off to the nearby
mountains as pecans, singing anddancing his praises.
This is phase one.
This is, we're setting thefoundation of what's gonna

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025_ (01:10:43):
So he's Elvis right now.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_ (01:10:45):
yes.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-20 (01:10:47):
Okay.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-202 (01:10:48):
Hermes is going crazy over there.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (01:10:50):
I thought you were locking him up.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_1 (01:10:52):
No, I decided not to.
He's just so stinking cute.
like looking at him.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025 (01:10:58):
Has little Hippo face.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025 (01:11:00):
Yeah.
So phase one of the plancommence.
The women are mad, he's causingtrouble in the city, and, um, he
is, he's come to thievesdisguised as a human.
He's disguising himself as abeautiful foreign human
celebrant of Dion, ISIS, inorder to quote, put the place in

(01:11:24):
order.
And show the city, andparticularly Pentheus, who is a
terminal hater and incrediblyvocal about disrespecting Dion,
ISIS and the gods generally.
Uh, just how powerful he is.
It's not gonna end well for him.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025_ (01:11:43):
So question, does Pentheus not like
them because he believed thatDionysus mom was actually a
liar, or did he just not likethem?

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_1 (01:11:53):
no.
He represents sort of the newlearning where it's very
rational and logical andstructured and they don't
believe in like fairy tales andtraditions and superstitions and
all that kind of shit.
He was like a redditer, youknow, he argues with facts and

(01:12:13):
logic.
So a little, a little wayslater, after the stage has been
set, we come across SIUs who's arecurring character in a lot of
plays, and he has his ownmythologies.
He's a very well developedcharacter all on his own, but he
is essentially a blind prophetand sort of an advisor to the

(01:12:34):
royal family.
And he and Cadmus are outsidethe royal home and they're
dressed as celebrants.
They're going off to dance andhave a gay old time in honor of
Dion Isis now because they'veheard tell of the cults over in
the foreign lands of howpowerful he is.
And so now CAD mis respects DionISIS as a God.

(01:13:02):
But it's not, it's not reallygenuine.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (01:13:06):
He wants to stake a claim And be
like, yeah, we're part of theDian family,

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_1 (01:13:10):
No, literally.
Because right after these twoold men are like, oh, I'm
feeling young.
My old bones aren't inking.
We're gonna go dance.
Pentheus comes in onto the sceneand he comes across his gpi and
there and they're garb and he's,he's pissed and he's a flutter

(01:13:33):
because he's hearing of all thistrouble in the city.
All this women trouble

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025_ (01:13:39):
He rolls up, they're just in their
rave

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2 (01:13:41):
literal, they have ivy crowns on, they're
wearing these beautiful flowingtogas.
And he Yes.
Got that pacifier on thenecklace.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (01:13:56):
Yeah, there's black lights in the

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025 (01:13:58):
Yeah.
Yes.
And Pentheus hates that.
And he is convinced that thesewomen are leaving their homes
and their families to run offinto the woods and get drunk and
have sex and dance because youcan't trust women on their own
because

peepoo-host298_1_03-09- (01:14:16):
Square.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_1 (01:14:17):
for them.
Well, Pentheus hates women.
So there's that

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-20 (01:14:21):
this?
Footloose?

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_ (01:14:22):
kind of, if Footloose ended in a very
different way.
So Pentheus comes across these,these old men, and he's pissed.
He's on a moral missionessentially, to capture the buck
hands and like end this Tomfoolery in this dirty business.
And here he sees his GPI in thecourt advisor engaging in this

(01:14:46):
dirty business, and he's goingoff on his moral tirade talking
about his plans, to which thereis essentially replies, um,
little boy, you better watchwhat you say because you are
acting brainless and you areacting swag less and you don't

(01:15:07):
want this smoke and you don'twanna wage war on the gods.
And then CAD mis chimes in withhis little 2 cents after that.
And this is the part where youcan tell it's not genuine
adoration and worship for DionIsis because he tells Pentheus,
man, so what if he's not a God?
So what if you don't believehe's a God?

(01:15:28):
Give him the title anyway.
It's gonna be so good for ourfamily.
You're gonna, you're gonna makesemi famous.
It's gonna be great PR for thefamily.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-20 (01:15:37):
Chris Kardashian.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_110 (01:15:38):
I am saying, dude, and I think
that plays a part in Cadmus'sdownfall towards the end.
'cause he's still not respectingDy ISIS's divinity, pentheus
terminal hater that he is, doesnot like being told off by these
old foolish men.

(01:15:59):
And he demands the guards to goto, there's seat of divination
and destroy it.
Real tantrum behavior.
Hate this guy.
Enter into the scene, a guardcomes running in and he's like,
oh my God, Penas, we got thatbeautiful foreign male stranger.
We captured him.

(01:16:20):
But the weirdest thing is hedidn't even put up a fight.
He held out his hands and helaughed and he just let us take
him as a prisoner.
That's so weird.
That's so strange.
Oh, and also the main ads thathave been captured.
I'm gonna use Bachas and mainads interchangeably'cause it's

(01:16:41):
the same thing.
But the main ads that have beencaptured, they've escaped, the
chains fell off their feet, thedoors unlocked by themselves.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-202 (01:16:52):
Hmm.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025 (01:16:53):
thing happening over here in Thieves

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-20 (01:16:56):
Pussy power.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025 (01:16:57):
pussy power.
And so Pentheus sees thisbeautiful foreign stranger.
He's eyeing him up and down andhe even comments about how
beautiful he is, but totally notin a gay way.
You know, he can see why he'sbeautiful to women, you know?
'cause they don't have no sense.
And he questions this beautifulforeign stranger about his

(01:17:19):
origins and his intentions andwhat he's brought to his
rational, logical city.
And they have a fun little backand forth.
And the fun little back andforth they have throughout the
play are just enough to make itworth reading on its own.
Because Pentheus is so pissedoff and he's only concerned with

(01:17:41):
facts and logic.
And Diane, ISIS is not as, notreally speaking in riddles, but
too pentheus.
He's speaking in riddles andhe's giving him everything and
he's giving him nothing.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (01:17:52):
What is that?
What is it called when you're inlike a courtroom and you're
like, continuing to speak, butlike you're, you're you're
extending time.
Yes.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025 (01:18:04):
Yeah,

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (01:18:05):
is filibustering.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_ (01:18:07):
it's not, he's just like so secure in
his divinity and he's like, thisguy has no fucking idea.
So he's giving him the answers.
But Parentthe is like, why areyou confusing me?
You beautiful stranger.
And again, Pentheus is feelingdisrespected and he's pissed

(01:18:28):
'cause he hates women.
So Pentheus hater that he is,uh, orders this beautiful
foreign stranger to be locked upand taken to like a horse stall.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09- (01:18:40):
Mm-hmm.
Good luck.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_ (01:18:41):
Good fucking luck dude.
After this exchange and whatPentheus perceives as the
imprisonment of this beautifulforeign stranger, uh, Dionysus
uses his godly powers to rallyhis now freed main ads and uses
his thundering voice topartially destroy the royal

(01:19:02):
house.
So it's not completely in ruin,but part of it's crumbling.
Now

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (01:19:08):
I am just imagining him in the horse
stall fingers to his templesgoing, bitches come to me.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_ (01:19:14):
Come to me, My beautiful women come
to me and they do.
'cause that's his thro, that'shis power baby.
So now the royal home ispartially destroyed.
Uhoh stinky.
You shouldn't have done that.
So Dionysus, again in hisbeautiful human disguise, and

(01:19:37):
the main adss are reunited.
The main ads are rejoicedbecause to them he is, um, he's
like a priest.
They don't know he is Dionysus.
They just see him as a leaderand a celebrant.
So their hype as fuck, they'relike, oh my God, how did you
escape?
How'd you get out?
And Ionis says, oh, that waseasy.

(01:19:59):
This fucking idiot tied up abowl.
And I just sat by watchingquietly.
What a fucking idiot.
Uh, obviously Pentheus isstarting to lose his grip on
reality, and he's getting evenmore pissed about that.
Pentheus, the hater that he isnow finds the main ads in this

(01:20:20):
beautiful foreign stranger inthe courtyard.
And he's like, man, what thehell?
How did you get out here?
How are you doing this?
You are pissing me off so bad.
I can't stand you.
You're making me look like afool.
And after they have another funlittle back and forth.
But this gets interrupted by amessenger coming down from the

(01:20:41):
mountain where the main ads, therest of the main ads are, and
where Pentheus is mother and hisaunts are, because they were
also struck by madness.
So now they're running aroundand dancing.
And so the messenger who's ashepherd in like a nearby little
farm, he is like, Pentheus.

(01:21:02):
That shit's crazy as hell upthere, dude.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025 (01:21:06):
You gotta see this

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_1 (01:21:07):
You gotta see this shit.
It was all inspiring.
And he tells Pentheus what heand some other men saw up on the
mountain and he says, quote,they had let themselves go in a
sensible way, not as you said,sir, intoxicated by wine and
flute not running off bythemselves in the woods for sex.

(01:21:31):
They're not doing anything yousaid they were doing up there.
they first came across'em, theywere literally just snoozing.
They were taking a nap.
Uh, so they saw some of thewomen breastfeeding young
animals.
They were tearing at the groundand pounding on rocks with a
SSIS for milk and wine to sproutforth like a fountain.

(01:21:53):
Crazy stuff, but not violent,not sexy, nothing.
Pentheus had said.
Oh, one of the men thatwitnessed all this got the
bright idea to try to captureagave pen's, mother to try to
win favor with the king.

(01:22:14):
Naturally.
Bad idea.
Naturally that was a mistake.
So the women upon beingambushed, went absolutely sicko
mode, feral, and the menescaped, but the main ads did
rip their cattle apart withtheir bare hands.
And then they ran off to aneighboring city and they

(01:22:34):
started running ammuck overthere because the men have
ruined everything as they do.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-202 (01:22:41):
Hey, what's new?

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_ (01:22:42):
It's new, the tale as old as time.
Um, so the messenger aftersaying all this tells Penia, Hey
man, you need to take a stepback.
I don't think you want thissmoke.
I think you need to start actingright.
Pentheus hater that he is, itcan't stand all this women

(01:23:06):
trouble.
These women are causing so muchtrouble.
And he's so mad about it.
And now he's worried about beingthe laughing stock of Greece and
now he's trying to wage war onthe main ads.
He just can't, ugh, grow up,dude, honestly, let women have
some fun.
But after hearing all this Dion,ISIS in his beautiful human

(01:23:28):
disguise tells Pentheus that isan incredibly unwise and bozo
move to try to wage war on themain ads.
And pentheus again, his grip onsanity looser than it's ever
been.
He's fucking losing it at thispoint.

(01:23:49):
And so through just theabsurdity, and he's out of his
wits, he's out of his depth,this beautiful foreign stranger
convinces him, it's actually away better and smarter idea for
pentheus to dress up as a womanand spy on the main ads instead

(01:24:14):
so that he can see the spectaclethat disgusts him so much.
But he's so intrigued by, he'sjust gonna have to see it for
himself.

skye_1_03-09-2025_1104 (01:24:24):
Pentheus drag drag reveal.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_1 (01:24:29):
and this beautiful foreign stranger
is gonna be his guide up tothem.
He's gonna lead him right tohim.
And this is phase two.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (01:24:35):
Enter phase two.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025 (01:24:37):
Enter phase two because Dion ISIS
knows full well what's going onand what's going to happen
because this is his design.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (01:24:44):
Dion, ISIS is playing five D chess
with Pentheus right now.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025 (01:24:48):
Yeah.
It's great to watch it allunfold though.
So now that Pentheus is fullyout of his wits, he's fully out
of his mind.
He's starting to see thingsclearly.
Now he comes out of his royalhome and he's dressed in drag
and he notes that he's, he'sfeeling fuzzy and he's seeing

(01:25:10):
double.
He's looking at this beautifulforeign stranger and he's seeing
them standing there, but he'salso seeing a bull standing in
his place.
So now he's starting to see,with the clarity that comes with
initiation into the cult, theyspend some time making sure
Pentheus disguises all as itshould be.

(01:25:31):
They're fixing little curls thathave gone astray.
They're fixing his dress to makesure it hangs right.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (01:25:36):
He's got rouge

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025 (01:25:38):
He's, he's dolled up dude.
He is beat setting, spray andeverything.
he has a little headband ontoSecur, his wig.
It's very darling.
So Pentheus believes he's doingsuch a noble and brave thing to

(01:25:59):
catch all these evil women up ontheir sex mountain, and he's the
only man in the city braveenough to do this.
To which Dion, ISIS, in hisbeautiful foreign disguise
responds, quote.
Only you, you bear the city'spain alone and the contest you

(01:26:20):
will face is meant for you.
Ominous chilling stuff.
And off they go up to themountain girls trip, yay.
We're going to the mountain.
And this is where shit pops offin a big way.
because obviously all this angerand disrespect is going to be
pentheus downfall.

(01:26:40):
And this is phase three.
is where it gets good.
So

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025 (01:26:45):
The foot's coming up on the chair.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_1 (01:26:48):
I'm getting, I'm getting comfortable
because I'm just like, wow, whata guy.
So Pentheus, this beautifulforeign stranger and a small
band of men, they're makingtheir way up to the mountain to
spy and spy.
They do, but Pentheus is like, Ineed a better vantage point.

(01:27:11):
I can't see shit.
I can't see these sinful womenin their full debauchery.
So this beautiful foreignstranger grabs the top most
point of a fur tree and bends itdown like a bow.
So Pentheus can take a littleseat on it so he can have a
better vantage point.

(01:27:31):
And he gently and slowly raisesit back up for pentheus to see.
But before the tree is at itsfull height, once again, the
beautiful foreign strangervanishes.
He disappears.
And a booming voice from the skycalls out to the main ads and
says, I brought the one whoridiculed me and my worship, and

(01:27:56):
now you must pay him back.
And the women go into a frenzywith agave leading the charge,

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025 (01:28:06):
Get 'em girls.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_1 (01:28:07):
get him girls.
Girls kill him.
And they're throwing spears,they're throwing rocks, trying
to knock him down.
They're throwing their ssis upthere and he's, he's scared, but
he's not, they're not hittinghim.
And so when that doesn't work,they gather around the base of
the tree start shaking it soviolently that they rip it out

(01:28:31):
of the ground.
Never underestimate women.
They're maximizing their joint.
Slay.
So.
Pentheus plummets to the ground.
He's finally realized how bad hebeefed it and how much he fucked
up.
Through all this, he's begginghis mother to recognize him as

(01:28:53):
her son, her darling baby boy.
It's too late.
It's just too late because hismother is fully enveloped in her
frenzy.
And with the assistance of theother main ads, they tear him
limb from limb with their barehands, flinging bits of his body
all around the mountain.

(01:29:14):
And after all this agavetriumphant in her frenzied kill,
uh, she's proudly carrying whatshe sees as a lion's head down
the mountain to thieves becauseshe's still lost in the sauce.
She's still in the madness ofinitiation.

(01:29:35):
So when she reaches the city,she's proclaiming her victorious
hunt and her father Cadmus ishorrified at the site that he
sees before him.
And it takes a good bit of timeand coaxing for agave to come
back to her senses and to seethings as they actually are,

(01:29:57):
because.
Not so subtle foreshadowing, shehas carried pentheus disembodied
head down the mountain tothieves obviously.
And once she sees that she isstruck and with grief, she goes,
oh my God, what happened?
Who did this?
How did this get here?
But Cadmus is like, Hey, wefucked it hard.

(01:30:21):
Dion, ISIS did this.
He the misfortunes that be fellupon our family through no fault
except our own.
We brought this on ourselves,we've ruined our house.
There are some missing lineshere in the play.
So unfortunately Dion, ISIS doesreveal himself in his divinity

(01:30:42):
at this point.
But there are lines missing.
So a big chunk of the prophecyhe's foretelling is, is cut out.
And there are reconstructions ofthese lines of works that have
been inspired by this play, butuh, I'm gonna leave them out
'cause I'm just gonna take thesource material as is.

(01:31:03):
I think there should be a littlemystery.
So now that Dionysus has fullyrevealed himself in his
divinity, he's gonna tell themtheir fates because this isn't
over.
There's still more so thedaughters of Cadmus are to be
forced into exile, to foreverlive as foreigners in strange
lands.

(01:31:25):
Cadmus and his wife are to alsobe exiled, but they have a fun
little twist of getting turnedinto serpents.
And they will lead a band ofPlunderers and they'll, they're
gonna be off on travels for awhile.
But there is a turning pointwhere eventually something will
happen.

(01:31:45):
I think at some point thePlunderers will have like a
terrible bounty or misfortunewill fall upon them.
And at that point, Cadmus andhis wife will be rescued by
Aries and they will get toretire to the land of the
Blessed, which is actually sweetending to get to go to the land
of the blessed after all that.

(01:32:07):
But, uh, pretty sucks.
pretty bad situation.
Pretty bad sucks.
And so they're lamenting.
Cadmus is like, man, this is waytoo severe.
What the hell?
We learned our lesson.
What the hell is all this?
Man, you shouldn't be angry.
It's not becoming of a God, youshould be better than humans.

(01:32:31):
And Dion, ISIS tells them thatthey did a great injustice
against him.
And Zeus agreed to all of thislong ago.
So this isn't a spur of themoment.
I'm mad about something.
This was premeditated.
This was all part of the plan.
And so Cadmus and agave,tearfully say their farewells,
they head off into their exiles.

(01:32:53):
And now after all this thievesfully understands the power of
Dion Isis, the end pretty

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025 (01:33:05):
Oh, fuck around.
Find out.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_ (01:33:07):
Fuck around.
Find out in a pretty gruesomeway.
Don't disrespect Dion.
Isis.
Don't disrespect his mommy.
Those are really like the twokey

peepoo-host298_1_03-09- (01:33:17):
Mm-hmm.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (01:33:19):
He is giving big mob boss energy.
He's like, you don't fuck withmy family.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025 (01:33:23):
Yeah.
You don't fuck with my family,keep my mother's name out of
your fucking mouth.

skye_1_03-09-2025_11044 (01:33:29):
period.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_11 (01:33:31):
If they hadn't been talking that
shit, they probably would'vebeen fine.
But also maybe not.
'cause Cadmus has his ownmythology where he like killed
one of Aries serpents.
And I think that also like thatwas the first domino.
That caused the fall of thehouse of Cadmus.
Yeah.
Like there, there are manythings that are contributing to

(01:33:52):
the fall of the House of Cadmus,but this was a, this was the
culmination of everythingtogether.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (01:33:59):
So is this cannon.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_110 (01:34:01):
I mean it's, it's definitely a
mythos and it's definitely astory, but it as a play, I don't
really think you can consider itcanon.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (01:34:12):
Like, is the, um, the family lineage
at least true and

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025 (01:34:17):
Yeah.
That is, yeah.
That is all true.
But again, it was early fourhundreds, b, CE there were
mythologies that they turnedinto more elaborate stories to,
you know, society at the time.
Yeah.
Be entertaining.
Talk about like the societalissues, the new learning versus

(01:34:39):
the old tradition, city versusmountain, you know, nature
versus science and all thatshit.
But I just think this is such afun story that really
encapsulates, why Dion ISIS iscalled the gentle and the
terrible, I think.
'cause you see both sides ofthat in this story where he is

(01:35:00):
so incredibly gentle.
With his devotees and those whoworship in and he gives them
great joys and blessings andhe's so terrible to those that
disrespect him.
And I just think that's neat andI like to see it.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (01:35:16):
Hell yeah.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_ (01:35:17):
Hell yeah.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025_1 (01:35:18):
a party rocker.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_1 (01:35:19):
And he's a party rocker and he loves
women and he loves women'sliberation.
And Pentheus hates women and isstinky and thinks they're slaves
and beneath him.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09- (01:35:33):
Mm-hmm.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (01:35:33):
we

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_1 (01:35:33):
And he's stupid.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (01:35:34):
than ever.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_1 (01:35:36):
I'm saying dude.
And it's been a while since I'vetalked about Diane Isis on the
pod, and I just missed that guyand I wanted to give him his
flowers.
And we're literally going to thetheater today and I was like,
what?
Better day than today?

skye_1_03-09-2025_11 (01:35:53):
Beautiful.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025 (01:35:54):
Great play.
Way more graphic than this tinylittle retelling.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-20 (01:36:00):
Check it out yourself.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025 (01:36:02):
Check it out yourself.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025 (01:36:03):
No, I think we did it.
I think we got her done.
Okay.
Well if, uh, if you wanna, ifyou wanna reach out, you wanna
talk, you wanna send us yourplays, you wanna send us your
thoughts about plays,

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-0 (01:36:16):
screenplay, please.
I promise

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-202 (01:36:17):
send us your screenplay, we'll read
it.
live on the air.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_ (01:36:21):
I'll give you my notes.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (01:36:22):
Let us know your superstitions.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-20 (01:36:25):
Yeah.
Let us know your superstitions.
Um, let us know if you likeanthropology, all of the above.
Uh, if you wanna let us knowanything, you can email us at
death coven pod@gmail.com or youcan message us on Instagram,

(01:36:45):
follow us like us at Death CovenPod.
And I think that's all shewrote.
So.
By the power of three.

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025_1 (01:36:54):
And so it is

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (01:36:55):
And so it is.

peepoo-host298_1_03-09-2025 (01:36:58):
And so it is,

uh-oh-stinky_1_03-09-2025 (01:37:02):
Girls Get him Sick.

skye_1_03-09-2025_110442 (01:37:05):
'em girls.

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