Episode 34: Scary Backwoods Stories, Davy Jones, and the Ouija (A Halloween Special)

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peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_1 (00:17):
so now that we've rambled for
however long, who knows how muchWe'll keep in.
welcome.
This is going to be a scarylittle episode.
We have all picked creepytopics.
I think.
I'm pretty sure.
I don't know what the other twoare presenting today, but I'm
hoping that I get some chills.
this is the Death Coven podcast.

(00:39):
My name is Poppy

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (00:40):
I'm Sky

riverrrrrrrrrrr_2_09-07-202 (00:41):
And I'm River.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (00:42):
and we are three witches in a death
coven that do a podcast.
Comes out every other Thursday.
You are listening to it rightnow.
Thank you very much.

riverrrrrrrrrrr_2_09 (00:52):
Appreciate you.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_10 (00:53):
I was thinking about lighting a
candle actually, because I feellike this is gonna be a spooky
one.
I don't know.

I, yeah.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10 (00:59):
Ooh,

riverrrrrrrrrrr_2_09-07-2025_ (00:59):
I turn my lamp off?

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_1 (01:01):
do that.
Let's, let's light

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10 (01:02):
ooh.
Lemme

that.
Let everybody grab a

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2 (01:04):
refresh

good idea, pop.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (01:07):
here.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna light a,um, chime candle and I'm gonna
light my bourbon pumpkin candle.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10230 (01:14):
I am just lighting a jack.
Be nimble.
Jack.
Be quick.
Jack, jump over the candlestick.
Um, sort of just,

I looked at the screen and you
look like fucking ebenezers

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10230 (01:34):
I just need the hat.

in your fucking bathrobe.
In your can broke.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10 (01:41):
when the Victorians get up in the
middle of the night to like,

Yeah.
And we will be talking about theVictorians at some point in this
episode.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (01:49):
Oh.

So that's thematically appropriate.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (01:53):
Oh, good.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (01:53):
Okay.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (01:54):
Yeah.
I, I feel like we're in a good,

We're in a good zone today.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (01:58):
yeah.
And I'm already feeling, I'veturned all the lights out.
I've got my candle lit.
I've got my little, my littlewhiskey and I'm, wrapped up in
my little robe.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_1 (02:08):
Oh yeah,

You have your

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (02:09):
the vibes.
Here we are.

There we are.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (02:14):
it's a little dim, it's a little
dark.
We've got the candles going.

It's a

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10 (02:19):
Ooh.

day for two out of the three of us.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_10 (02:21):
I will be having soup for dinner,
so that's what type of day itis.

that sounds so fucking good.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (02:29):
Also, I, I feel like today we are just
on Well, like, we're just in amood.
I think

I just missed my friends.
I just like talking to myfriends.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_1 (02:39):
So we're bringing the creepy,
bringing the scary to you today.
And at the beginning of everyepisode, we do a fun little
hypothetical game.
Sometimes it's a situation,sometimes uh, it's a challenge,
sometimes.
Just a question.
So how creative are you guysfeeling today?
'cause I have two options.

Um, I'm feeling a little bit silly
with it this morning.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_1 (03:04):
So one of them is definitely
creative, but could work for anon Halloween episode.
The other one is slightly lesscreative, but is definitely like
Halloween

riverrrrrrrrrrr_2_09- (03:15):
Spookier.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (03:16):
Okay.
Well we should probably go withthat one then.

Yeah.
Keep it as scary as possible

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (03:22):
save it for next time.
okay.
So death Coven is having aslumber party.

as we often do.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (03:31):
and we get to invite four guests.
Our parents said you can havefour other people come over for
the night to have your slumberparty with, but the catch is
they have to be villainouscharacters or creatures from
some kind of horror media.

I know who I'm picking.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (03:48):
who should we invite?
and why did I write this?
Who should we invite and who'sgonna cry and call their mom to
come pick them up?

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (03:55):
Oh, I know who I want.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_1 (03:58):
Go for it.
Go

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10230 (03:59):
I want Maleficent.

peepo-host438_2_09- (04:01):
Maleficent.
Okay.
What's she gonna bring to thetable?

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10230 (04:07):
A dragon

Yeah.
That's pretty cute.
That's our fourth guest.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10230 (04:13):
I could show her my horns and I
can

Oh, you could have a horn off.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10230 (04:18):
I can be like, you're a big
inspiration to me.
I love how country you are.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (04:22):
She'd be great at truth or dare.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (04:24):
Oh dude, dare all the

Oh, Yeah.
yeah.
Yeah.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10230 (04:28):
I just love her.
She's an icon and an inspirationto me personally, and I would
love to just talk to her.

riverrrrrrrrrrr_2_09-0 (04:34):
Classic.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (04:35):
Yeah,

peepo-host438_2_09-07-20 (04:36):
River.
You said you had an idea rightoff the bat too.

am picking list at Deion

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10230 (04:41):
I was gonna say, is it a vampire?

It's, of course, it's my baby girl,
Lestat.
and I do hope he bites me andmaybe kills me Who

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (04:52):
Am gonna make, I'm gonna push you
guys in the closet and make youplay seven minutes in

And he would, he'd be a real bitch
about it though.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (04:58):
and you'd come out holding your neck
being like, nothing Nothing

Ooh.
Nothing happened.
I was wearing this Ascot thewhole time

peepo-host438_2_09-07-20 (05:06):
Ascot.

I just, I've always been this
pale.
Leave me alone.
I'm just, my blood sugar's low.
I need a juice box.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_10 (05:15):
I think that I want to go Jason,
Jason Voorhees, because I justfeel like he'd be cool to hang
out with.

I think he would, and I think he
would appreciate, and maybe itwould fix him to just like hang
out with people.

peepo-host438_2_09-07- (05:30):
positive attention.
Yeah.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (05:32):
it gives, you know, I don't smoke
anymore, but like, you know,when you go outside away from
the crowd and you go smoke acigarette and have like a really
deep conversation, like a littleprivate one-on-one

Yeah.
For like 45 minutes straight.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (05:46):
He's smoking through his hockey mask.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10 (05:49):
it's blowing out through the holes.
Yeah.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (05:53):
Uh, okay, so we, we've got
Maleficent.
We've got Lestat Lestat,

we've got Jason Lestat, Lestat,

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (06:00):
we've got Jason Voorhees, who is our
fourth.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (06:04):
yeah, the three of us have to like
collectively

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (06:07):
Who's gonna, who's gonna mesh well
with the group,

Who rounds out this

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (06:11):
you know, we've got Bad Bitch.
We've

riverrrrrrrrrrr_2_09-07- (06:13):
Lestat and Maleficent, I feel like
would get along very well.
They're both huge bitches.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (06:19):
We need someone to kind of
compliment Jason.
I think Another kind of quietish

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (06:24):
Not Freddy.

Not Freddy.
I initially, I was likeLeatherface because they're both
mama's boys and they don'treally talk.
But I don't know if I can vibewith Leatherface.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (06:35):
No.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (06:36):
Can we just do, oh my God, what is
his name?
The saw guy.

I was about to say John Kramer,
but he would be so obnoxious.
He'd be so pretentious.
Yeah.
And they'd all suck and bereally complicated.

peepo-host438_2_09-07- (06:52):
Exactly.
My style, you know,

Yeah.
You do love those games.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (06:58):
me out, Edward Scissor hands.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (07:00):
Oh, you're so right.
You're so

Oh my God.
And he, we can all cut our bangstogether.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025 (07:06):
Mm-hmm.

Yes.
He can cut our bangs.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (07:11):
and he's so just demure.

Yeah.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (07:14):
Yeah.
He's not really a villain, buthe's, you know.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_1 (07:17):
I, horror adjacent.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025 (07:19):
Mm-hmm.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_10 (07:20):
I feel like Maleficent would love
him,

Oh, she would adopt

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (07:23):
And Lestat too.
Lestat would just be like, youknow what,

He'd be like, I can't not

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_10 (07:28):
I kind of like your vibe.

You're kind of pathetic.
And that's exactly the kind ofman I go

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2 (07:33):
Mm-hmm.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10 (07:34):
this lineup.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (07:36):
Yeah.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10 (07:36):
Plus us.
Plus we're there.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (07:38):
we're there.
Yeah.

night of my life.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (07:40):
we're not sleeping.
That's an all-nighter rightthere.

Absolutely

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (07:44):
Yeah.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (07:44):
I'm getting drunk at this party.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (07:47):
Drunk

yeah, yeah.
yeah.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_1 (07:49):
in my mind.
We were like 12 or 13 years oldthough.
all of those characters, buttheir preteen versions.

see.
I like that.
And we're all just like makingfriendship bracelets and like
gossiping.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (08:05):
Who's doing a pillow fight?
Who's initiating a pillow fight?

Not Edward.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2 (08:08):
Edward.
Jason wouldn't initiate it, buthe would absolutely love

I feel like if anything, it would
be one of us initiating it.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (08:19):
me.

Yeah.
I feel like Lestat andMaleficent would like sit it
out.
'cause they'd be

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (08:24):
Yeah.
They're too good for it.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (08:25):
We'd be playing

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025 (08:26):
they're playing.
I was just about to say

Yeah.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-20 (08:31):
dance.
Dance revolution.

Oh my God.
That'd be so fucking fun.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_1 (08:37):
So fun.
Take me there.

Somebody write a fan fake about this.
Please.
God, I'm

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10230 (08:41):
I was about to say that.
Put it on a

Please remember we're all minors in
this scenario

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (08:46):
Yeah,

is very important.
Keep a

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (08:48):
you can do an, you can do an alt
where we're all 30.

We're

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2 (08:52):
Mm-hmm.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (08:53):
Yeah.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (08:54):
It's like sex and the city vibes

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025 (08:57):
Mm-hmm.
A maleficence got some sort ofsmoking, what's that shit
called?
Dry ice.

Oh my God.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10 (09:06):
It's a green apple, you know, like

It's never empty.
It's somehow completely full all

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (09:12):
can we say what the alcoholic
beverages for each of our guestswould be?
So Maleficent has the, the dryice smoking.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10 (09:21):
It's like a poisoned apple martini

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (09:23):
Ooh.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025 (09:24):
wafting over it.
Yeah.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_10 (09:26):
I feel like Les DOT's wine, right?

It's a red, it's an old vintage red,
like a merlott.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (09:32):
Yeah.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10 (09:33):
It's actually just blood, but

Yeah.
But he says it's wine.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_10 (09:36):
I feel like Jason's just gotta be,
because he's always at summercamp, you

Yeah.
I feel like he's straight edge

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2 (09:44):
really?
He does like to punish those whosin.

Drinking drugs, sex.
He don't like that.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (09:51):
root beer in the corner.

Yeah.
He's got his diet coke.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (09:57):
And then Edward Scissor hands, like
unexpectedly is just takingshots with his long ass fingers.

I could see him being a gin
drinker.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (10:06):
But I can also see him like using
his scissor hands to like reallydramatically karate Chop a beer
bottle, like, like the cap offof a beer bottle.
So he's like opening it forsomebody.
Yeah.
that

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (10:20):
love that one.
I

that a lot.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (10:22):
you'd like that one.
I think you'll like the otherone too.
Next week.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025 (10:26):
Mm-hmm.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_10 (10:27):
I might actually tell you guys, I
might tell you ahead of time soyou can like plan.

We can think

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (10:33):
yeah.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (10:33):
Oh, okay.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_10 (10:34):
I mean, I mean, we can, we can,
say it now.
you guys can just think about itfor the next week before we
record.

Stew on it.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (10:41):
yeah.
What was it

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (10:41):
since I put you guys in peril all the
time, I want you to create yourown saw trap.
And I want

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (10:48):
for you to put you in?

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (10:50):
no,

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10230 (10:51):
I was gonna say, is this revenge?

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_10 (10:52):
I wanna know your victim name.
no real people.
You have to either come up withsomeone or like, it's gotta be a
fictional character.
the reason why they've beenkidnapped and they're being
tested in this trap, the name ofthe trap, and then obviously
the, the trap design and thefunction.
Like what's the outcome?
Yeah.

I'm gonna need some time to, much
like civil engineer John Kramer.
I'm gonna need to cook on this.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (11:18):
Well, thank you for indulging me.
tune in, two Thursdays from nowto hear what river and sky come
up with.
And I'll, I'll put together myown as well.

I help you will.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_10 (11:29):
I will,

I wanna see what you fucking cook
up.
Sick, twisted brain.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (11:33):
uh, before I get into my topic, I
wanna say I almost did polarbear attacks as mine.

Yeah.
You would.
'cause you are terrified of

peepo-host438_2_09-07-20 (11:44):
afraid of polar bears listeners.
They're, they're like up therefor my, top

That's the bear You are most, maybe the
animal

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (11:52):
Yes.
Well, I'm also afraid ofanything that lives in the deep
sea, I think.

Yeah.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (11:59):
But polar bears horrifying.

They're big as

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_10 (12:02):
I think I've gone down multiple
tangents like late at night andI'm just texting the group chat
like, did you know this aboutpolar bears?

Yeah.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (12:10):
about polar bears?

You just like to make yourself
scared late at night.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (12:15):
Yeah, but I did not do polar bears So
I did not have time to puttogether like a full,
full-fledged topic, withresearch and all that I, instead
of crafting my own topic, I wentto Reddit and I pulled three
stories from Reddit.
all of them are at least 10years old, and I'm just gonna

(12:37):
read them for you today.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (12:39):
Poppy Reeds, Reddit stories.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (12:41):
Yeah,

Poppy reeds, no sleeps.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (12:44):
are deep cuts and none of these are
from no sleep.
So these were all presented as100% real online,

that

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (12:53):
three different ones.
So ask Reddit from 11 years ago.

Okay.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (12:59):
the second one is from r slash
Nature Photography

Oh, that sounds scary

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_1 (13:06):
10 years ago.
And then the last one is frombackwards.
Creepy also 10 years ago.

Classic.
Now, this isn't a Chef boy or Dwhere you're saying these are
real ass stories and youactually just made'em up.
Okay.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (13:21):
She ain't got time for that this
week.

she ain't got, but she's crazy.
But

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (13:25):
is crazy.
That's true.

insane.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (13:28):
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, I am not Chef Boyard.
You guys, you do not have toguess whether these are real or
not.
These were from Reddit presentedas real in either their own
posts or they were comments likeresponding to another post.
This first one was a response toan Ask Reddit thread titled,

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tell Me about a time when youexperienced something you
couldn't explain while campingparenthetical serious.

camping is already so frightening.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (13:59):
and did I, did I say already if I
didn't say already?
These all take place in thewoods, because you all know I
love hiking stories, campingstories,

Yeah.

peepo-host438_2_09-07- (14:09):
anything that happens out in nature where
people are trekking through thewoods.
I love it.
and I found these just by doinga little bit of deep digging,
deep diving on Reddit.

And you go to page like 12.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (14:23):
I'm like scrolling through old
archive stuff.
And one of these, the last onethat I'm gonna read, you guys,
all of the comments respondingto it were deleted.
this one was just a, like acomment responding to that post
called Tell Me about a time whenyou experienced something you
couldn't explain while camping.
Parenthetical serious.
And this is by user Z-Y-Z-Z-I.

(14:47):
Hiker.
When I was 22 years old, I'djust gone through a really
shitty breakup and decided Ineeded to get out of Portland
and spend some time in nature toclear my head For a while, my
ex-girlfriend had basically beenmy entire world, and I didn't
know my life without her, whichlooking back is probably why she
broke up with me.
Anyway, I decided to take a soloweekend camping trip in the

(15:10):
Three Sisters Wilderness My onlyhobbies while we had been
together were hiking andcamping, so I figured doing that
was probably better thandrowning myself in whiskey or
maybe trying heroin orsomething, I just needed silence
and space to think, so I hikedout near Green Lakes and set
myself up prepared to be totallydisconnected.
This was 1979, so I didn't haveto worry about cell service or

(15:33):
anything like that.
I just went three sisters wasmostly backwoods then, so it was
easy to be all alone.
I wasn't worried about runninginto anyone.
It was just the trees, thestars, and my depression.
Homeboys going through it.

I'm always going through it.
Hey, as somebody that's alsobeen through a bad breakup where
my partner was my entire lifefor like four years.
Been there buddy.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_10 (15:57):
I set up my tent and my little
camping stove and lit my fire.
It was quiet.
Nothing much happened.
I think I slept in the tent thatnight climbing in and almost
immediately falling asleep.
as soon as the sun went down.
It was summertime in the PacificNorthwest and the nights were
short, cool and comfortable.
The first night was prettyuneventful.
I don't think I even dreamed thenext day.

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I spent my time exploring.
I threw my backpack on and hikeda couple miles, saw the water
and considered swimming, butdecided against it.
I had my ass planted under anice shady tree while I took a
break and realized I hadn'tthought at all about Shannon
since I set up camp the daybefore.
Shannon was my ex-girlfriend.
Then I felt really angry for thefirst time since she had dumped

(16:41):
me.
I wanted her to hurt, like she'dhurt me.
Honestly.
If she'd been right there infront of me, I may have killed
her.
I think it was one of the onlytimes I felt true rage in my
life.
I don't know if that's whatattracted it or maybe it put the
anger there inside of me, but Ifigured I'd mention it anyway.

A foreshadowing of it all.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (17:00):
then cold.
It was like a thunder clap.
Instantaneous and brutal fromnowhere.
I was so cold, but notphysically cold.
I didn't have goose flesh oranything.
It was like I just swallowed afistful of ice cubes, and they
were melting, sick and bright inthe pit of my stomach.
I knew without a doubt there wassomething watching me.

(17:20):
I looked around.
Not scared yet, but definitelyon edge.
My eyes slid to a hole in a treeabout 30 feet away.
there was a darkness there thatI haven't seen since.
It was weird because it was justa dumb hole in a dumb tree out
in the middle of nowhere, Oregonwoods, but there was something
there that wasn't on the sameplane as us.

(17:40):
It sat below that threshold, adeep hum, vibrating just beyond
the space my nerves could reach.
It sounds so stupid, but that'show it was.
I nope, that other real quickand made my way back to my
campsite.
I actually forgot about the holein the tree almost immediately.
I don't know why it sticks outin my mind so much now.
It's possible that it hadnothing to do with anything.

(18:02):
But anyway, I settled in andread some Jack Kerouac by the
fire.
A cliche I know,

dude sounds so annoying.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_10 (18:11):
I mean, this is just a, A bro.

22, He's from Portland It's the

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_1 (18:16):
in the 1970s.

They were all just kind of like that.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (18:19):
Yeah, I settled in and read some Jack
Kerouac by the fire.
A cliche I know, but I feltpretty cerebral at the moment.
Eventually, the sun went downand I went to bed.
I woke up after what felt likemere seconds of being asleep.
It was black and silent, but Iwas freezing.
I felt that same ice cubes downthe gullet feeling, but this

(18:41):
time I was also physically cold.
My muscles were tense.
As I shivered hard, I thought Ishould roll over and turn on the
brand new mag light I had boughtspecifically for this trip,
parenthetical.
It was pricey too.
I spent about$25 on it, which atthe time was no small sum.
He wants to let us know.

1970s was crazy.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2 (19:03):
Anyway, I tried to roll over but
couldn't.
My muscles were locked.
I was shivering.
My body shook uncontrollably,but I couldn't move of my own
accord.
My heart sped up and my mouthwent dry.
My eyes darted around in thedarkness and eventually began to
adjust, which I thought was ablessing at the time.
I looked around frantically andI vaguely remember thinking that
I was looking for someone whocould help me, but of course, I

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was all alone by my own design.
As I was looking toward theflashlight again, I saw
something move outside the tent.
From my peripheral, my eyes slidto the entrance of the tent just
beyond the mesh.
At the edge of the fires dyingglow, I saw a tall, spindly
figure.
Its limbs were impossibly longjoints, bent the wrong way.

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Its face was pale isli with amouth that stretched too wide.
Grinning at me.
I narrowed my eyes and watchedthe thing from slitted lids.
I closed them just enough tomake it look like I might be
sleeping from a distance, butkept them open enough to see.
I remember my eyelids feelinglike sandpaper.
They burned badly, but I didn'twanna close them completely for

(20:08):
fear of losing sight of thatthing.
It didn't move for a long time,long enough for me to convince
myself that I must be dreaming,or maybe it was a tree or some
easily explainable thing.
I didn't try to move.
Then slowly it crouched down,face still directed toward me
until it was on all fours.
It crawled toward the tentscattering pebbles as it scraped

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what looked like backwards,human hands across the ground,
and as it did, it seemed likeit's too wide mouth cracked,
open, even wider.
I couldn't move, and at thispoint, believe me, I was trying.
my brain was telling my body toget up and go, to prepare to
fight, but I couldn't even makemy hand close into a fist.
It crawled closer until it wasright at the entrance of my

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tent.
Then it pressed its face to themesh.
Its mouth was open, and the meshsucked in and out as it panted
heavily.
Almost like a dog.

I am going to throw up.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (21:06):
Yeah.

long un unnaturally long limbs at
weird a I hate anything.
That crouch is down to startmoving

peepo-host438_2_09-07 (21:19):
backwards human hands

the backwards.
Human hands scrambling the wetmesh in and out of the mouth.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (21:29):
Wet.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (21:30):
yuck.

go on.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_1 (21:32):
It panted heavily, almost like a
dog.
Its breath smelled like death,like old pork forgotten in the
fridge, I kept my eyes slitted,praying to God that it looked
like I was sleeping, what lookedlike a tongue snaked out of the
crack of its mouth and thrivedon top of the mesh.
Then I blacked out.

Yeah.
Yeah.
I'd die of right at that point.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (21:54):
when I jolted awake, I was soaked in
sweat.
My heart was racing.
It was hot inside the tent.
I could move now.
So I rolled over to check thetime.
According to my watch, it wasfour in the afternoon.
I'd somehow slept almost 20hours.
I bolted up and immediatelystarted clearing my campsite,
packing everything up because Iwas getting the fuck out of
there.

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As I was packing, I noticed thatmy tent had been encircled with
rocks.
Smooth gray stones replacedright around the perimeter of
the tent.
I certainly had not put themthere, but I shoved that thought
deep down to deal with.
Later.
My firewood pile had also beenkicked over.
Even if it was just a dream,which it probably was, there was
no way.
I was staying Another night.

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I managed to hike up over thesun, went down and headed
straight home.
By the time I got home, I hadrationalized the whole
experience as a bad dream anddecided to just forget the whole
thing.
Somehow, despite sleeping for 20hours, I was exhausted.
So when I got home, I took myboots off and left them outside
the front door of the house.
I was renting and immediatelywent to bed.

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The next day when I got up tomake myself some eggs, I noticed
clumps of dirt and small pebblesscattered around the entryway of
the house.
I checked outside and yep.
I had left my boots tent andother camping gear out there.
Weird, but whatever.
A week later though, when Ifinally unpacked the tent and
went to store it, I noticed agash in the mesh of the front

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flap of the tent, easilyexplainable, right?
it got snagged in my haste toget out of there, but it just
didn't feel right.
I know in my gut that it wasn'tjust a dream, and I've camped
plenty since then.
You can't live out here and notbe out in the nature.
But I haven't been solo campingsince so that's my scariest
experience camping in thePacific Northwest.
Hope this helps.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (23:43):
Do you think that things stuck its
tongue down his throat while hewas sleeping?

peepo-host438_2_09-07 (23:49):
Horrible.

Did it hit

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (23:51):
I,

ride?

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_10 (23:52):
I mean, it seems like he didn't
have anything else happen afterthat,

but the, the pebbles in

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (23:59):
yeah, something came home with them,
but I, it seems like it didn'tcontinue to fuck with him, so
maybe it just

Yeah.
There was just so many other,yeah.
Other people in Portland thatare pissed off, it can be like,
Hey, let me get down on allfours and get at you real quick.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (24:18):
Sleep paralysis is no joke,

No, it's horrifying.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (24:23):
like, I feel like it is explainable,
like everything that happened,like, oh, maybe he, uh, he had a
nightmare, like he was pissedoff at his, at his girlfriend
shore.
He like saw a weird tree,

The rocks aren't explainable.
The, the firewood getting kickedover isn't explain unless like

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (24:40):
The firewood getting kicked over.
I'd be like, maybe I slept,walked or something.
Like I tripped, uh, maybe I gotup in the middle of the night to
go pee And I forgot.

In a circle.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (24:52):
No,

rocks in a circle.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (24:55):
no.
I would be so ready to wake upthat next morning being like,
wow, what a crazy dream I had.
And then if I saw the rocks, Iwould be like, well,

And we're going home.
It was a

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_ (25:04):
right.

evening.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_10 (25:05):
I am picturing the thing with
like, its backwards.
Human hands, just putting therocks like going and like
picking the rocks off the groundand putting them around the
tent.

not smooth enough.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (25:14):
No, it's

rock.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (25:17):
the smoothness.

gross.
I also hate creatures that havelike fixed big smiles.
It makes my lizard brain freakout.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2 (25:31):
There's something wrong about it.
Uh, maybe it's because likeprimates smile, like as an
aggressive thing, so maybethat's

yeah.
If something's smiling at me andcoming at me on all fours, I'm
in danger.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10 (25:46):
Ooh, I just had an idea.
What if this thing actually usedto be a camper, like a solo
hiker, camper person and they'relike actually trying to protect
this guy.
Maybe that's what the, thestones were

a weird freak ass and licking on
your mesh tent.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (26:08):
it got like turned into something
like not quite human anymore.
Like it doesn't really know howto behave anymore.
And yeah, and all it remembersis I was alone one time

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (26:21):
Yeah.

I

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (26:22):
and I turned into this, and I don't
want that to happen to you.
Maybe it's just misunderstoodand it doesn't

maybe.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (26:28):
freak ass.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (26:29):
What do you guys think

Hey,

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (26:31):
that he saw that was like, weird?
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
I'm like, was it like,

was posted up in the little

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (26:40):
was it like, oh, I, I sense that
anger.
I'm gonna come and see whatthat's all about.

It was taking a nap, like curled up
and then it said, hold on.
What's going on over there?

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (26:51):
Yeah.

I don't like it.
That's my hot take.
I don't like it.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (26:55):
Okay.
I got two more stories for you.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (26:58):
we gotta do Fuck Mary kill with all
three

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (27:00):
gosh.

we'll see how it goes.
The tongue, that's

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (27:05):
guys are gonna wanna fuck this next
one, or, well, you might

Well

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (27:09):
it.
I don't know.
We'll see.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10230 (27:11):
I don't even know if there's a
creature in every single one.
You know?
It

Yeah,

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (27:13):
be, yeah, yeah.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (27:17):
Okay, so this next one was a comment,
response to a r slash naturephotography post from 10 years
ago.
It was, or sorry, 11 years agoit was, have you ever
experienced something youcouldn't explain while shooting
in the field?

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (27:33):
my candle's going crazy.
I just had, not anymore, but itwas going like, whoa.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (27:39):
mine is just a long, tall flame right
now.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10 (27:42):
Mine is very long and tall, but it's
like writhing,

Just like a tongue.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10 (27:48):
just like a tongue.
Sorry.
Please continue.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_10 (27:52):
I was on a solo hiking trip in the
Carson National Forest in NewMexico.

People gotta stop doing shit alone.
I'm sorry.
It's so dangerous.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_1 (28:03):
It was early fall and I was chasing
the golden hour.
I was hoping to photograph thebats that would begin swarming
in the low light against thebackdrop of Red Cliffs in Pine
Dotted Mesa.
I want to include here at thebeginning that I'm experienced
and a very cautious person, bothon the job and in my personal
life.
I know how to take precautionsto stay safe when out in nature.

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Never underestimate the land,the weather, the wildlife, or
the people you meet on thetrails.

All right.
I'll allow it.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (28:33):
All that being said, on this day,
something felt off.
Not at first, though.
It was a normal day.
Really, the only thing out ofthe ordinary was that I didn't
see any people while I hiked,which is uncommon for the area.
I was a few miles into my hikeout toward a well-known cave
system.
When I started to feel eyes onme.
People always talk about thefeeling of being watched as if

(28:54):
it's some kind of universalsensation that everyone
understands, but I never reallygot it until that day.
It felt almost like a lightpressure where the base of my
skull meets my neck.
It was very unpleasant.
I was stopping every now andthen to take photos of anything
I felt worth was worthcapturing.
I think I caught some eagles anda family of mule deer that day.

(29:14):
I was crouched down on the trailwith my camera.
I began to stand the knees of mypants damp and sticking to my
skin when I noticed the pile ofscat twisted and waxy right in
the center of the trail.

Twisted.
Is it supposed to

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2 (29:30):
Mm-hmm.
I,

Okay.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (29:33):
yeah.
Ew.

Okay.
Like the poop emoji.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (29:37):
Oh,

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (29:38):
the poop emoji.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_10 (29:39):
I immediately became intensely
aware of my surroundings, and asI looked around, I started
kicking myself for not noticingthe gouge marks on the Ponderosa
almost directly in front of me.
Parenthetical.
I posted the pictures last year,so they're on my profile if
you're interested.
There was a puma nearby At thispoint, I stood and began to

(30:00):
gauge how much sunlight I hadleft.
Not much.
I had planned to get to the cavehalf an hour or so before the
bats became most active, so Iwas miles from my car.
I had a headlamp bear spray anda multi-tool on me, but as a
five foot four woman, I was notconfident that I could
single-handedly fight off ahunger motivated puma.

(30:21):
I turned on my heel and quicklybegan making my way back.
The sun began to dip behind theridge line, casting long cold
shadows.
I started feeling a littlebetter.
I was making good time and wouldprobably make it back not too
long after sundown, I slowed mypace a little.
I actually felt a littleembarrassed even though there
was no one around.
I had overreacted and ran like alittle girl over some poop and a

(30:44):
bad feeling.
We've all been there.

a puma in the area.
I don't think that'soverreacting.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_10 (30:52):
I mean, Michael and I have seen
plenty of bear poop whilehiking, and we've been like a
little scared.
I don't, you know, whatever.

yeah, but like power in numbers.
If it was just you alone and yousaw

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_10 (31:04):
I would be booking it.
But you

Yeah,

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2 (31:08):
because then,

You wanna be confident and slow.
I

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (31:13):
was rounding a bend, lost in thought
when I saw him.
He was beautiful, but painfullythin, Sandy hair, nearly
blending into the rock by behindhim all sharp angles and hunger.
From this distance, I could seethat his black tip tail was
twitching and thrashing.
He was agitated, but he was sobeautiful.

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He had himself positioned inprofile to me, showing me the
long, lean side of his bonybody.
But his head faced me ears, flatback, eyes

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_ (31:43):
Please tell me, this bitch does not
take the opportunity to take aphoto of this thing when she
needs to be escaping.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (31:50):
The photographer in me wanted so
badly to put down my pack andstart snapping photos,

Yeah.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_10 (31:57):
I knew

like, God,

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (31:59):
what a shot.
But I knew on a primal levelthat this cat had been actively
hunting me and was beginning toclose in.
My heart was racing, and I feltlike I was panicking.
But looking back, I think Iremained as calm and rational as
I could have in the moment.
I unzipped my jacket and pulledit open, trying to make myself
look bigger as I slowly backedup.

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I yelled at him trying to be asbig and bad and scary as I
could, but he kept advancing.
As I backed around the bend, Itook the opportunity to quickly
bend down and pick up severallarge rocks just in case I
needed to throw them as adeterrent.
Suddenly I heard a soft voicecalling my name from Beyond the
Trail.
It sounded just like mygrandmother who had all but

(32:42):
raised me and my brother.
She passed away back in 2005.
She was the most importantperson in my life, and still I
could hardly remember the soundof her voice, so it was jarring
to hear her while all aloneheart pounding on this dusty
trail.
then again, her soft voicefloated toward me from the
forest.
This time more urgent, but justas warm and full of love.

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This time I could tell that itwas coming from down a hill,
beckoning me to come closer,torn between fear and instinct.
I left the trail and followedthe voice down the hill until I
came to, to an arroyo.
I didn't realize was there.
I was still walking backwards,keeping my eye out for the puma.
My grandmother kept calling myname at regular intervals and I

(33:23):
continued to follow her voice.
Then from the direction I camefrom, I heard a violent scuffle
and a shriek.
It sounded like something hadeither scared or attacked the
puma that had been stalking me.
I even still, my grandmother'svoice continued to call me
farther and farther away fromthat segment of trail, and I
followed.
She led me down the wash until Imet the trail again.

(33:45):
This time at a lower altitude,much closer to where I had left
my car.
There was no sign of the puma.
All was quiet.
When I got back to my car andunpacked, I felt the caress of
the wind for just a moment, andI knew it was my grandmother
saying goodbye.
I was alone again and safe.
That was probably the scariestmoment of my life.

(34:05):
And while I haven't heard hersince, I do make sure to
celebrate her often.
Somehow she managed to continuetaking care of me, even in
death.

Oh,

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (34:14):
The only time it is acceptable to
follow a voice in the woods.

I'm walking backwards towards it.
To keep your eye on the PU andjust being like, well, I hope
this isn't a

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2 (34:26):
Mm-hmm.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (34:26):
If you're gonna die either way, you
know, it's kind of

I'd rather it not be by Puma,

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (34:32):
yeah,

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2 (34:32):
hungry.
Puma too.
They will

Starved Puma.
Yeah,

s-guest550_2_09-07-202 (34:38):
violent, violent death.

Hey, hey.
What attacked the puma?
Was it the grandma?
I

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (34:43):
Was it the grandma?
don't know

was it a bigger beast?

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (34:47):
Who's to say something?

I

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (34:49):
I'd like to think that grandma,
because grandma's beyond in thespirit realm, can see and knows
about other things in the spiritrealm and there's some sort of
forest entity and perhaps shewas able to bargain with
whatever spirit was in the

a solid real

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025 (35:11):
Mm-hmm.

of this puma.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (35:12):
Yeah.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2 (35:13):
badder.
Yeah.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (35:14):
Yeah.
'cause I don't think some littlegrandma, even though grandmas
are super powerful, um,

with their grandkids in

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (35:22):
don't think that she can both beckon
and attack a puma at the sametime.
All due respect,

are mysterious.
She's throwing her voice andshe's like, punching the puma.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_1 (35:33):
B, B, B take that.
He's just like rare

away from my granddaughter.
Big stupid cat.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (35:39):
the scruff.
She's like, get the fuck outtahere.

tosses him.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_1 (35:44):
So the first time that I went
hiking in Colorado, I.
I went with my friend and Ithink I, I told Sky, I had
horrible altitude sickness.
I was like throwing up on thetrail.
This like, old woman was powerwalking up past me.
but so we, we spent like a dayin the forest and it was
gorgeous.
It was beautiful.
But then when we got back, myfriend's partner said, that

(36:07):
there had recently been a cougarattack, like a mountain lion had
attacked someone, like a skinnyadolescent male that had been
starving.
Um, and they had to like, fightthem off to the death, literally
the weekend before we went.

Awesome.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (36:22):
And I was like, why didn't you tell
me that before we went out?
You waited until,

would've been scared the whole

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (36:29):
yeah,

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10 (36:30):
then you

up.
Yeah.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_1 (36:33):
I, was so sick.
I had altitude sick because Ihad landed at like two in the
morning and then we got up atlike six to go hike.

That's crazy.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_1 (36:41):
my friend, Sky's already met her,
at like crazy house parties incollege.
But she was just like giving meTwizzlerss to eat.
She's like, here, you need tosettle your stomach.
Here are some twizzlerss.
And I'm just like throwing uptwizzlerss on this trail.

Oh, chunky.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (36:57):
waxy red.
gross.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10 (37:00):
have been able to fight off a cougar
In that

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (37:01):
No, neither of us would've, she
weighs like fucking 95 pounds

I started laughing at the bit
where she opens up her jacket tomake herself bigger.
cause it I know.
And it reminded me of a storythat Sky said about one of
Michael's last, like solocamping trips where there like
was a black bear in the area andhe's shirtless and yelling.
I still see you bitch at it tolike scare it away.

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And it just reminded me of that.
And I was like, oh, he's sosilly.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (37:33):
take down a full grown bear.

And I, you know what?
He's convinced me.
I think he could.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (37:39):
He

really think he could.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10 (37:41):
it's like, all right.

He doesn't have the fear.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (37:43):
Yeah.
I almost did a fucking topic onbears attacking and I was like,
I don't, I mean,

Mm-hmm.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (37:48):
could take a black bear, I think
unless it was hunting.

bear and that's it.
Yeah.
black bear.
and smaller.
I can take it.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (37:55):
Oh, did I say the username of that
one?
I didn't.
I didn't.
Okay.
Uh, so that was by user Gabby,do 1, 2 3.

Gabby Doo.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_1 (38:06):
1, 2, 3.

All right.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (38:09):
Gabby do Scooby dooby doo.
okay.
So this one was posted by userDr.
SC 19 87, on backwards.
Creepy r slash

Oh,

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2 (38:21):
Creepy.

the scariest subreddit of them all.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (38:25):
Yeah.

That's not true.
The scariest one is male livingspaces.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (38:28):
Oh, retaining.
Uh,

Anyway,

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (38:35):
okay.
So this was like not a responseto another post.
This was the actual, yeah.
Original post.

Okay.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_10 (38:42):
I wasn't going to post this.
I've had weird things happenwhile hiking.
Animal encounters, suddenweather shifts.
The occasional, did I just hearsomething kind of moment, but
this was different.
I can't explain it away.
And the worst part is ithappened in broad daylight,
which sucks shit because daytimeis supposed to be safe, right?
This was about three weeks ago.

(39:03):
I was solo hiking, a section ofthe Appalachian Trail in North
Carolina, just south of theSmokies, near standing Indian
remote area, mid-September.
Cool weather, clear skies, alittle early color in the
leaves.
Basically ideal hikingconditions.
I was two days into a three dayloop.
I'd seen maybe three otherhikers total.

(39:24):
I started early that secondmorning and had knocked out a
good chunk of miles by 11:00 AMwhen I hit a ridge.
That offered a pretty incredibleview.
I stopped to eat a snack andrest my legs.
That's when I noticed somethingweird.
The forest had gone completelysilent at first.
I chalked it up to elevation orwind direction, but then I

(39:45):
realized I hadn't heard a singlebird in over 10 minutes.
No bugs, no squirrels, nothing.
Just the occasional creek oftrees swaying slightly.
It wasn't peaceful.
It felt held back like theforest was waiting for
something.
Still.
I kept going.
I've experienced pockets ofsilence before it happens.

(40:07):
But then about a mile later, Inoticed a side path.
It wasn't on my map.
No trail markers, no signs, justa narrow track leading downhill
into thicker woods with a pieceof red ribbon tied to a low
branch.
It looked old, faded and fray,but the trail itself was clearly
used, worn dirt, brokenbranches, but it had a kind of

(40:29):
unnerving symmetry to it.
I stood there longer than Ishould have.
Something about it felt wrong.
I had no intention of followingit, but I leaned in closer to
take a look at the ribbon justbecause it struck me as odd.
That's when I heard it.
Then my name clear as day, aman's voice, maybe 30 to 40 feet
off the trail beyond the ribbon.

(40:51):
I froze.
No one should know my name outhere.
I hadn't passed anyone.
I hadn't talked to anotherperson since yesterday
afternoon.
I called out.
Who's there?
No answer, just silence.
I waited thinking maybe someonehad gotten lost.
I was about to ask again when Iheard the voice again, only this
time it was closer anddifferent.

(41:11):
Ben, Hey, over here.
It was my friend, Tyler's voice.
Same pitch, same rhythm, sameway.
He talks when he is found a goodcampsite or cool overlook.
But Tyler wasn't on this trip.
He was recovering from ACLsurgery back home in Florida.
He sure as hell wasn't in thewoods of North Carolina.
I backed away from the trailjunction stomach in knots.

(41:34):
Then I heard footsteps notrunning, not hurried, just
steady movement through thebrush coming toward the trail.
Ben, the voice said again, comecheck this out.
Still Tyler's voice, stillfriendly, still fake.
Something about it was just offlike it was trying to imitate
the casual way a friend talks,but there was no real person

(41:55):
behind it.
It was hollow practiced, andthen the voice changed.
I swear to God, it became mymom's voice.
Sweetheart.
She said, are you out here?
It wasn't panicked.
It wasn't even loud.
It was soft.
Like she was in the kitchencalling me for dinner when I was
a kid.
That's when the hair on the backof my neck went up because it

(42:16):
didn't just sound like her.
It sounded like a memory of herthe way she sounded.
When I was 10, I started movingfast.
I didn't run, but I picked up mypace and didn't look back.
Every so often, I'd hearmovement in the brush beside the
trail, just off to the left,then off to the right, never
visible, just out of sight, andthe voices kept going.

(42:38):
Tyler again.
Then my dad, then my own voice.
Then it said, wait up flat offkey.
Too slow between the words.
I nearly lost it when I heard itsay in my voice, you're going
the wrong way.
because that line, it soundedexcited, not helpful, not
concerned, eager, like whateverit was, thought it was finally

(43:01):
wearing me down.
I didn't respond, just keptwalking every step.
My legs felt heavier, like thetrail was dragging on longer
than it should.
The woods didn't even look thesame.
The trees seemed taller, closertogether, like they were leaning
in.
After maybe another two miles, Istarted hearing birds again.
Just a single chirp at first,then more a squirrel ran across

(43:22):
the trail and I nearly cried.
I don't know what it was.
I wanna say that I don't want toknow, but I'd be lying.
I almost feel like I need toknow, and I wanna go back and
find out, but I know that wouldbe idiotic.

Yeah.
Hey, Don't do that.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_1 (43:36):
do that.
Has this ever happened to anyonebefore?
And did you have weird dreamsafter?
If anyone has information, I'dreally appreciate it because my
resolve is wearing thin and Ithink I may need to go back if I
don't get some clarity,

No, Ben.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (43:51):
and This is the one

s-guest550_2_09-07-202 (43:52):
comments were disabled.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (43:53):
all the comments were deleted.
Yeah.

Because they were all like, Hey idiot,

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (43:58):
Hey don't.

your fucking blessings that you

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (44:00):
Yeah, it's from like 10 years ago and
people replied, there were 14comments, but all of them were
deleted.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (44:07):
Not

He said, I don't like that

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_10 (44:09):
I mean, it's usually, I think that
happens on Reddit when likeusers are no longer, like their

Oh,

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_1 (44:17):
or something.
I don't know,

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (44:18):
Oh.
Either way, Ben's dead.
I don't care.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_10 (44:21):
I don't know

uh,

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (44:24):
what happened.

my deepest, most primal fear is
that I will be in the woodssomeday and it will just go
quiet.
That is my greatest fear.

peepo-host438_2_09-07- (44:38):
uncommon like with

No.
Yeah.
like understandable phenomenonlike that where I know something
is coming, but if I just hearout of nowhere, nothing for a
prolonged period, like the wholewoods is whole.
Its breath and like bracing.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10 (44:58):
that he entered like a pocket
dimension though?

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_10 (45:00):
I don't, it seems like something
Faye

the map.
That weird trail that was old asfuck

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (45:09):
Yeah.

How did It have all those voices?

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_1 (45:13):
It got into his head

know, my dad, my mom, My friend Tyler,

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (45:18):
ACL torn.

bro Tyler's in Florida.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_10 (45:21):
I

He's recovering.
Leave him out of this.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (45:23):
keep Tyler's name outta your goddamn
mouth.
Keep his voice outta your mouth.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (45:27):
how scary must it be?
If you're on a trail and someoneis genuinely calling you, like
there's really a real person whosees you and you're like, oh
fuck, you're like booking itaway.
But then there's genuinelysomeone who's like, poppy, hey,
I wasn't expecting to see you.
And you're like, oh God.
And you're like, Hey, sorry

I

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10 (45:47):
you, but I was really fucking

I mean, they should know better
than to call out somebody's nameon the trail at a large
distance.
You wait till you're closer andI can see you in my line of
sight.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10 (45:57):
Fair enough.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_1 (45:58):
it though?

Absolutely not.
What's the, what's that one?
Appalachian hiking hack?
Hiking rule where it's like, ifyou hear your name, no,

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (46:05):
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.

I absolutely not.
The second I hear my name calledout in the woods, I'm going
home.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (46:12):
This dude was on a three day fucking
trip.
He was on a loop.
It doesn't say because it, itwas gonna take him three full
days.
I'm like, did you camp thatnight?
What happened after that?

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (46:23):
of course.
You had weird dreams, dude.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (46:25):
Yeah.
And he didn't even talk aboutthe dreams.
I'm like, what were your dreamsabout?

yeah.
Ben, come back, make a follow uppost.
Make an update.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (46:34):
Yeah.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (46:35):
No update because he went back out.

He went back'cause he was

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_1 (46:38):
He didn't get any satisfying
answers, I guess.
And the last time he heard thevoice, it was like feeling like
it

you're going the wrong way.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (46:47):
the

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (46:47):
he was like, someone talk me off
the ledge.
'cause I feel like I need to goback, basically, is what he's

could,

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (46:54):
No,

guess

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_ (46:55):
crazy.

riverrrrrrrrrrr_2_ (46:56):
speculation.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (46:57):
RIP Ben,

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10 (46:58):
Rest in peace.
RIP, Ben

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (47:01):
like joining the other fucking like
8,000 people that disappear fromnational parks.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10 (47:07):
Ooh, wow.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (47:09):
Nope.

posts from Ben after that.
That was the last post.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10 (47:13):
Wow.
I'm feeling thoroughly spooked

I'm feeling pretty creeped out dude.
I'm feeling pretty upsetactually.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (47:22):
it's Sky's turn.
We'll see what she has in

Yeah.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (47:25):
for us now.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10230 (47:26):
I have no intention of going into
the woods, let alone, alone.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2 (47:30):
Mm-hmm.

I, like to go into the woods.
I'll go alone during thedaytime, but they're woods I'm
very familiar with and they'revery

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (47:38):
trail

No,

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (47:40):
the next time you do, you're gonna
be like looking over yourshoulder.
It's gonna go river.

And I'm gonna go and that was a
beautiful walk.
We just had.
Let's go on home.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (47:52):
Pick up the pace.
Your cute little

Also, the woods.
I go to the trails, like thereare generally, I see at least
like a few people

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (47:59):
Yeah, but what if you didn't?
'cause some of the stories werelike, usually there's a lot of
people on this

Sometimes I'll be, when I go early enough
on certain days, sometimes,especially now that school's
back in, sometimes I don't seepeople the whole time and I
don't realize it until after Iget in my car to go home and I
go, Hmm, that's kind of spooky.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-20 (48:19):
Right.
I'm so ready to pass this, Bigold walk-in, stick

Let's go walk and stick.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (48:25):
All right.
As promised, I'm gonna put youin peril.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (48:30):
Woo.

I forgot.
Fuck, I forgot.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (48:33):
so if you could me the honor of
closing your eyes, pressurecrushes your chest.
You're floating, but it feelslike you're drowning.
A suffocating cold, a thick,heavy blackness.
What happened?
You don't remember anything.
Not even your name.
A flash of red, a warning, anomen.
The sky, blood crimson.

(48:54):
A mirror of the gore that wouldlater stain the churning.
Sea blood.
The taste of salt and iron onyour tongue screams, choked,
gurgling, cries ripped from adozen throats.
Captain, a voice, a final,desperate echo.
Then it all comes rushing backyour life, your command, your
ship, a ship you seized fiveyears ago.
Now a phantom in your mind, yourcrew gone.

(49:18):
Another stain of red, asickening memory of writhing
tentacles, A flash of a massiveunblinking eye.
That creature, your memoriescrash over you in a tidal wave,
and you claw at the darknessdesperately trying to find a
handhold, a surface, anything totell you where you are.
But there's nothing.
Just the silence of the black,the dense, heavy silence that

(49:40):
presses down on you from allsides, a paralyzing dread seizes
you colder than the abyss.
You realize the truth.
You're dead not in the peaceful,silent way.
You're trapped aware and alonein the crushing darkness of the
deep, you've reached everysailor's final, damning
nightmare, Davy Jones's locker.

(50:01):
So you may open your eyes.
I have talked to the two of youbefore about pirates and
potentially talking aboutpirates.
I am not necessarily talkingabout pirates today because
there is too much to cover.
There are many famous piratesand their history and legends,

(50:22):
and there's the golden age ofpirates, et cetera, et cetera.
However, what I am interested inis Maritime myths and legends
So, I will be talking to youtoday about two myths and
legends.
the first of which is who isDavey Jones?
And what is the fucking dealwith his locker?

(50:44):
What is that?

He's the hot squid man from the
Pirates of the Caribbean.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (50:49):
Yeah, who is he?
No, I'm not talking about him.
I'm talking about the quoteunquote real Davey Jones.
thoughts on that?
Or is this what you wereexpecting from me?

I was not expecting this.
No.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_10 (51:03):
I was just gonna say,

I wasn't expecting pirates, but
I'm delighted.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (51:08):
Good.

know, the deep sea scares

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (51:10):
Oh, if the Deep Sea doesn't scare
you, there's something deeplywrong with you.

I mean, pirates are,

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_ (51:17):
That's why I, that's why I picked it
for our Halloween episode.
I was like, you know, it's notnecessarily, I guess it is a
little bit paranormal, but it'snot paranormal in the same way
that we normally think about it.
It's just sort of the mystery,the way that the ocean has a
mind of its own,

riverrrrrrrrrrr_ (51:37):
Uncontrollable

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (51:38):
the symbolism of it being like the
subconscious and also of death.
So I feel like it's oftenforgotten and not really talked
about

because we're not on ships like we

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (51:50):
no, we're not on ships like we used
to be.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (51:53):
With no communication with the
outside world.
Like if you went down, you'redown, and that's it.

Yeah.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (52:00):
And you become a

And if you don't reach port at a
certain time, they're like,well, I guess they died.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (52:06):
Yeah.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-20 (52:07):
bears, the terror.
Have you guys read The Terror byDan Simmons?

No.
Is it about polar

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (52:12):
No.
It's about the terror and the,the and like it, it was like a
real polar expedition that theywent on and it's like they got
stuck in this ice for multiplewinters and the people back in
Europe didn't even go out tolook for them until they hadn't
heard from them for like twoyears.

(52:32):
cause that's just like how itgoes.
They're like, oh, if I don'thear from you in two years, I'll
come looking for you.
You know?

Yeah.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (52:39):
So scary.
So there's a few differenttheories on who Davey Jones was
or where the name Davey Jonescomes from.
one of which was like a guy whoowned a bar and would put
sailors in a locker orsomething.

If they didn't pay their tab.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (53:00):
like a drunk tank or,

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10230 (53:02):
I think so.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (53:03):
okay.

s-guest550_2_09-07-20 (53:04):
something like that.

He said you're cut off.
Get in the locker.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10230 (53:07):
I guess if they got rowdy or
something.
Maybe he hated

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (53:10):
Yeah.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10230 (53:11):
I didn't go down that rabbit hole.

hole.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (53:13):
but it appears that the whitest
agreed upon theory as thatoriginally Jones, the last name
Jones, was originally Jonah fromthe Bible.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (53:25):
Oh,

Jonah in the whale?

s-guest550_2_09-07-202 (53:28):
Correct.
Well, it's a fish, but yes.

Whale fish.
They both live in the ocean.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (53:33):
So quick recap about Jonah
Disobeys.
God, he gets on a ship.
There's a big storm.
The sailors blame Jonah forcausing the storm.
They throw him overboard'causethey're like, what the fuck,
dude?
You caused this big ass stormbecause you disobeyed God.
Get the fuck outta here.
And then God tells a fish toswallow Jonah and put him on in
underwater timeout.

(53:54):
And then Jonah feels foolish andpraised to be let out of fish
tummy jail.
So he's like, I'm so sorry.
I did not mean it.
God, I will do anything.

ways now.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (54:05):
Yeah, yeah.
'cause God was like, you need togo to this city.
And Jonah was like, I'm notgoing to that fucking city.
I'm gonna get on this ship andgo away from my divine

Mm-hmm.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (54:15):
there was a big storm and then the
sailors got

not my dad.
You can't tell me what to do.
And

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (54:19):
Yeah.

actually, Yeah.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (54:23):
Yeah.
So that's just a very, verygeneralized recap of Jonah.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (54:28):
Yeah.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10230 (54:28):
I did wanna quote part of Jonah's
prayer because I thought it wasinteresting, from the book of
Jonah chapter two verses fiveand six, and I quoted the New
American standard version waterencompassed me to the point of
death.
The deep float around me,seaweed was wrapped around my

(54:49):
head.
I descended to the base of themountains.
The earth with its bars wasaround me forever.
And I wanted to quote that partbecause the bars may be
indicative of the locker sort ofthing.
Like that might be where it'ssort of like the vessel, the

(55:09):
jail, the sort of underwater.

The container.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10 (55:13):
Yes, exactly.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (55:14):
Yeah.
Not like a high school.
Like put your books in at

No,

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (55:18):
no,

room.
Locker.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (55:21):
no.
So sailors likely took thissection and related it to
drowning and sinking shipsnaturally.
a locker is a place where youkeep something personal, the sea
is keeping your soul when youdrown, you know, it's easy to
relate and see why Jonah, itseems to be the, uh, the source

(55:43):
for who would later become DaveyJones.
any questions on that?
That is my first myth.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (55:50):
it's really cool.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (55:51):
Thank

It's neat, spooky.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-20 (55:54):
Really scary.
It's like.
I would hate it so much, and Iwould never, ever, ever want to
be on one of those

wanna drown.
I don't ever

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (56:04):
want to be on a ship in the 18th,
19th century ever, Or before.
Absolutely.
Especially before.
Yeah.
But at the same time, it is sucha romantic notion, like it's
such a romantic image offreedom.

(56:25):
You and the, and it was not likethat at all.
Like you're suffering, you areon the

You have scurvy, your teeth are
falling out.
You have

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (56:33):
Yeah.

rats.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (56:36):
ship because there's nothing else
available to you.

Yeah.
you're running away fromsomething

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (56:41):
yeah, I originally started with the
intention to maybe do pirates

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2 (56:46):
mm-hmm.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10230 (56:47):
I might do it later because it is
really, really interesting.
apparently it started, oh, Ican't even remember because I
didn't write it in my notes.
Obviously I didn't do it, but itstarted a lot of pirate, like
the golden age of piratesstarted.
Forgive me if this is incorrect.
'cause this is just off the topof my dome.
I forget what the term is.
I wanna say it's privateers andthere's also buccaneers.
So basically these people werehired through the military.

(57:11):
And the military or the crown orthe government or whoever would
say, I need you to go ransackthis enemy ship.
And your payment is whateverspoils you can find on board.
So like, we're not gonna payyou, but there's this merchant
ship.
Correct?
Yes.
But we need them, we just hatewhatever, whoever these people

(57:32):
were.
And so pirates came about whentheir contract would end and
they would just continueransacking ships

is a sweet gig.
Let's just do it.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (57:43):
yeah, and sometimes they would turn on
their own nationality, liketheir own country and they would
just continue doing it becausethey were like, yeah.
'cause they were like, this paysbetter than being in the Navy

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2 (57:54):
Mm-hmm.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025 (57:55):
doesn't pay shit.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (57:56):
And it's a career too.
Like you

yeah.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (57:59):
that just becomes your life.
And it's like

a captain.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (58:03):
you turn like from a nautical,
mercenary to a viking.
There's like the brotherhoodaspect.

Oh, I would hate to get ransacked by

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (58:12):
Oh.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (58:13):
So that was just, I'm really
fascinated by all of that kindof stuff, but it's just too much
history, too many individualblack beard and, and others of
the like, and there were acouple of really interesting,
female pirates as

Mm-hmm.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (58:29):
to pretend to

that would whip her Tia out to be
like, you're

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (58:33):
Yeah.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (58:33):
Yeah,

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025 (58:34):
Anyway, um, so both of the myths that
I'm talking about today, I onlyreally know, or first found out
about, uh, through SpongeBob.

Yeah.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (58:43):
Okay.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (58:44):
So David Jones locker, obviously,
like as a child before the

That was early SpongeBob?

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2 (58:51):
They're still making SpongeBob, by the
way.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10230 (58:54):
I know,

SpongeBob spinoff now,

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10230 (58:57):
I know.

peepo-host438_2_09-07- (58:58):
spinoff?

they're like at camp, their children or
some shit.
Yeah.
It's like Looney

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (59:03):
Oh,

babies, but SpongeBob,

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (59:04):
Oh, don't know.
I don't like that.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (59:06):
So can anyone guess what my other
nautical myth that I'll becovering is through the
SpongeBob Hint?

Through the SpongeBob verse.
Gimme a moment.
It's

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2 (59:18):
Alaskan bull worm.

wasn't in SpongeBob.
Oh,

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (59:22):
No, No, the Kraken.
The

peepo-host438_2_09-0 (59:24):
SpongeBob.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (59:26):
Uhuh.
You give up

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (59:30):
Yeah,

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025 (59:30):
River's cooking?

is it?
The nuclear testing that theydid in Bikini at all.
Okay.
Nevermind.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10 (59:39):
I'll be talking to you all about the
Flying Dutchman.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (59:42):
Oh, yeah.

the Flying Dutchman?

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (59:47):
The

at tying knots.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2 (59:49):
Jones's ship, right?

s-guest550_2_09-07-20 (59:51):
probably.

it was.
I don't know why I rememberthat.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2 (59:55):
Mm-hmm.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (59:57):
So what's the deal with the Flying
Dutchman?

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (01:00:01):
Tell me,

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10230 (01:00:02):
a ghost ship.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_10 (01:00:04):
I love the concept of ghost ships.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10230 (01:00:06):
I love a ghost ship.
Is it a mirage?
Who knows.
So it is a ghost ship condemnedto roam the seas forever, to
never take pork.

riverrrrrrrrrrr_2_09-07 (01:00:17):
Mm-hmm.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (01:00:18):
any sightings of it are reported to
be a bad omen.
So if you are sailing in a long.
The horizon.
You see a ship, especiallynowadays, like people don't,
it's got like the sails andeverything.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2 (01:00:31):
Mm-hmm.

riverrrrrrrrrrr_2_09-07-2025 (01:00:31):
It if you see an

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (01:00:32):
ships

ass

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_1 (01:00:34):
Do they fly colors?
Like, because the whole thingwhen you're sailing, the other
ship in site will fly itscolors, like put down its flag
so you

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (01:00:42):
Yeah.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (01:00:43):
the identity of the

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (01:00:44):
I,

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (01:00:44):
Like does it have colors?

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10230 (01:00:46):
I don't think so.
It like, from my research, itseems that it's just sort of
this almost black and whitemirage of a ship, just like
non-descript But for some reasoneveryone, even back in the day,
who saw it, like they just knewthat it was the flying Dutchman.

(01:01:07):
but the ship was actually likelynot called the Flying Dutchman.
but it was likely named thatbecause the ship itself may have
been from the Netherlands.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (01:01:17):
They made the

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (01:01:18):
So a Dutch ship.
Yeah.
So traveling down past the tipof South Africa there towards
Asia.
So that is how people from theNetherlands and to Europe would
go towards Asia would be downpast Africa.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_1 (01:01:35):
is that

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10 (01:01:36):
Cape of Good Hope.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (01:01:38):
Okay.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (01:01:39):
The Cape of Good Hope is sort of the
southern most tip in SouthAfrica.
Yeah.
But that area at the southern,like South Africa, it is famous
for having violent storms.
And I looked into it and it'sbecause there are two air
currents east and west ofAfrica.
So coming down south on the eastside of Africa and on the west

(01:01:59):
side of Africa there, one is hotand one is cold.
And they sort of meet uptogether at the southern tip of
Africa to cause swirling.
Yeah, like almost like ahurricane type situation, but
like pretty regularly.
and I have a quote from NPRabout the flying Dutchman and
there's sort of a, um, a tail ora legend attached to it.

(01:02:22):
So from NPR it says, the FlyingDutchman was a sea captain who
once found himself struggling toround the Cape of Good hope
during a ferocious storm.
He swore that he would succeedeven if he had to sail until
judgment day.
The devil heard his oath andtook him up on it.
The Dutchman was condemned tostay at sea forever.

(01:02:43):
His only hope for salvation wasto find a woman who loved him
enough to declare herselffaithful to the Dutchman for
life no matter what to top itoff.
He could only stop sailing onceevery seven years to go ashore
and search for that one.
True love.

Mm-hmm.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (01:02:59):
There is a opera written by Richard
Wagner titled The FlyingDutchman.
Are you

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (01:03:07):
yeah.
All, I mean, olive Wagner, like,it's very, all of his music is
very intense

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (01:03:13):
Oh, true.
He is German.
I guess it is probablypronounced Wagner.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (01:03:16):
Yeah.
Wagner.
Yeah.
Also like to love a sailor, tocommit yourself to someone that
you will not see for most ofyour life.

yeah.
Mm-hmm.
yeah.
When you're a sailor, you'remarried to the

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (01:03:34):
Yeah.
Your whatever woman, you, womanyou have waiting for you back on
land, she will always be secondto the lifestyle to that rock
star.

It's like marrying a truck

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (01:03:46):
Yeah.

And you get one day every seven
years, they don't have Tinder,they don't have hinge.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-20 (01:03:53):
crazy.

riverrrrrrrrrrr_2_09-07- (01:03:55):
saying to get a woman to commit to you
in one day.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10 (01:03:59):
full disclosure, I did not read the
entire opera, or I did not

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (01:04:02):
Yeah.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (01:04:03):
or anything.
It's

Yeah,

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025 (01:04:04):
German.
but I did just kind of likebriefly skim over the English
translation of the FlyingDutchman, and I kind of skipped
to the end'cause I was like,what?
And I kind of like wanted asynopsis of like, I'm like,
what, what happens in this?
So it's basically like aboutthis woman who basically ends up
falling in love the, theDutchman, like this spooky ship

(01:04:25):
comes to Port and her dadconvinces her to marry the
Dutchman.
But then like, there's thisother guy and who she originally
was in love with or something.
And then there's a conversationwhere I guess it seems like she
is genuinely in love with theDutchman, but the Dutchman
overhears a conversation withthis other man that makes him

(01:04:47):
think that she's lying or she'sfaking it.
So he's about to leave and he'slike, well, I guess I'll just
be, I'll be on my merry way.
cause obviously this is not thewoman.
And as he's leaving, people aretrying to hold her.
She's running after him, hisship is leaving port she jumps
off of a cliff into the ocean.

to say, does she fling herself into
the sea?

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (01:05:08):
She flinks herself into the sea.
She breaks the curse, but theydon't get to like live happily
ever after.
Breaking the curse for them justmeans that the Dutchman gets to
die at peace.

Mm-hmm.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (01:05:20):
So they, so they both just die at
the end.
Spoilers for the Flying DutchmanOpera.
That's the, i I, again, it was aquick skim that I did, so I may
have gotten some of that wrong.
But more or less, it's just areally dramatic, like, back and

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2 (01:05:36):
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (01:05:37):
end they die.
Any questions about the flyingDutchman?
I

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (01:05:42):
it's so aggressively sad, but also so
romantic.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025 (01:05:48):
mm-hmm.

riverrrrrrrrrrr_ (01:05:48):
Unfortunately.
Yeah.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2 (01:05:50):
Anytime the fucking ocean's involved,
it's like, oh, oh

It's just something deep in our DNA
in our bones is likeobjectively, that sucks.
Realistically, that would suck,

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (01:06:04):
And it's one of those things where
it's like.
If you can't have something, ifsomething is out of reach, it
becomes

it makes you want it more.
Yeah.
The longing, the yearning, thetorture.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025 (01:06:20):
Mm-hmm.

peepo-host438_2_09-07 (01:06:22):
Gorgeous.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (01:06:23):
All right, well, I'll close up my
little section.
So what do these tales of DaveyJones locker and the Flying
Dutchman have to do withHalloween?
Well, beyond the obviousconnection to the supernatural,
these legends embody the fear ofthe unknown, the consequences of
curses.
And the eternal struggle betweenlife and death.

(01:06:44):
There are stories of souls lostto the sea, specters haunting
the waves.
And a reminder that the linebetween worlds can be very thin,
especially on a night when theveil between them is said to be
at its thinnest.
Just as we dawn costumes andembrace the spooky side of life
on Halloween, these maritimemyths offer a glimpse into the

(01:07:06):
darkness that lies beneath thesurface, reminding us that some
spirits are never truly at rest.

Woo.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (01:07:17):
So I have taken my sticky sap
covered baton that poppy

Dipped it in the sea.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_ (01:07:25):
Dipped it in the sea.

Now it's driftwood.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10 (01:07:29):
It's drifted wood now.

Yeah.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025 (01:07:31):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
It's covered in seaweed.
There's a couple of barnaclesmaybe.
So watch out.
Don't cut your hands on thebarnacles.

oh.
oh.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (01:07:38):
So, and I will be handing that off
to river.

riverrrrrrrrrrr_2_09-07-2025_ (01:07:41):
I don't mind if I do, because I'm
gonna take that piece ofdriftwood and I'm gonna, I'm
gonna chop off a little piece ofit and I'm gonna carve a little
planchet out

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_1 (01:07:53):
Oh my God.

about Ouija

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (01:07:55):
Hell yeah.
I was so close to doing a topicon Ouija boards.

Don't.
Because I'm doing it I'm doingit right now.
It has to be it.
It literally has to be.
All right.
So today I was thinking aboutsome other little half-baked
ideas I had for spooky scaryfright.
Tober Halloween, capital HHalloween episode that comes out

(01:08:27):
the day before Halloween.
I am a weenie and I was like,these ideas are good.
And then I had a brain blast.
I was lying on the ground.
My legs are up the wall.
I'm doing little stretches andI'm just thinking as I do, it's
going right to my brain.
I'm thinking better than everbefore.

(01:08:48):
And I was like, oh my God, Ishould do one about weedy boards
'cause fun.
Uh, river fact, I am terrifiedof Ouija boards and I don't fuck
with them.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-20 (01:08:58):
boards are rivers, polar bears.

Yeah, you If, if there is a Ouija
board in a room, I'm not goingin that room.
I'm sorry.
That's just how it goes,

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (01:09:09):
There is one in my house, just by the
way,

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_1 (01:09:12):
we were saying What What

that.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (01:09:14):
where you were like, we should just
get a Ouija board.
And it was like, have you gone

must have been acting crazy that day.
I must have been insane thatday.
I don't know.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10230 (01:09:24):
I think that was what we were
talking about last year's Soengathering.

Oh yeah.
It's a different, because likespoiler alert for like Ouija
board etiquette, you're notsupposed to use it alone.
I would feel probably safestusing it with the two of you
because we are so spirituallyprotected and divinely blessed
and powerful.
I would not fuck with it withanybody else.

(01:09:49):
I think that's why I was like,feeling silly enough.
Why not

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (01:09:53):
I'm down whenever

Well, we'll see.
I'm back on my no Ouija board.
Bullshit.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_10 (01:10:00):
I

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10 (01:10:01):
It's a

I'm anti Ouija board once again.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025 (01:10:03):
Jackson once said.

Yeah.
And yet you own one and you haveone in your house.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (01:10:08):
We will, I'll talk about it later.

peepo-host438_2_09-07- (01:10:10):
anything can

We'll get into it.
We'll get into it literally,really, truly, and we'll see
that.
But Ouija boards, witch boards,talking boards, they've been
called many things.
They've been through variousiterations.
You can make a Ouija boardessentially out of anything.
You can make it out of paper andlike a little plastic cup.

(01:10:35):
You can have one of the fancywooden ones that have like wood
carved letters and numbers intoit.
You can get the plastic ones, itcan be anything, the earliest
written account we have of thistype of divination through
medium writing.
Channeling.
Automatic writing goes back tothe Song Dynasty in China, uh,

(01:10:57):
between, yeah, 960 to 1,279 adlong ass time ago.
And it was called Fuji Writing.
And it would be either onemedium or a group of
participants would try tochannel either a god, an
ancestor or just a spirit theywanted to contact.

(01:11:21):
And they would write messageseither with like a pencil or a
stylus in a suspended sea thatwas fold with incense, ash, or
sand or rice or something likethat.
Kinda like an ET sketch.
You like shake it to clear it,and then you can write in it and
shake it again.
So that's the oldest account wehave of this type of medium

(01:11:43):
ship.
And like I said, it's gonethrough many variations.
Garnet is going crazy, lookingher chops right next to me.
She is a right next to my mic,right next to my webcam, and
she's my emotional supportanimal right now, and I need
her.
So thank you.

(01:12:04):
But like I said, many differentiterations and variations of the
Ouija board how has it gonefrom, you know, Fuji writing to
witch boards, to a tool forspiritualists in the Victorian
era to an ooky spooky sleepovergame that you're playing with

(01:12:27):
your little friends on a darkand stormy night with candles to
this portal for demonicpossession that is known as
today?
Naturally, we have to start atthe Victorian era because the
Victorians were nuts aboutspiritualism, as we have heard
already from the two Victorianepisodes that pop's already
done.

(01:12:48):
I don't remember what numbersthey were.
10 and 11.
Go listen to'em.
They're very good.
You can hear all about theirobsession with death and the
afterlife and what happens whenyou die and wanting to contact
deceased loved ones, the

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (01:13:02):
Calm,

the drama, the spectacle of it, all

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (01:13:06):
Nine and 10, not 10 and

nine and 10.
Go listen to, I'm sure episode11 is also pretty good.
Go listen to that one too.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (01:13:14):
so.

That's a really good one.
Go listen to that one.
So the Victorians are obsessedwith the concept and the idea
and the act of death, especiallywith the rise of traveling
seances and mediums that weregoing on in that era.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (01:13:32):
bring that back.
Where

Some of them, they, I mean they got
'em like Long Island Medium,that dude Tyler who's like
celebrity psychics and I'm suremuch like these mediums back in
those day, I'm sure some of themwere legit and actually properly
channeling and I'm so sure thatsome of them were just a cash

(01:13:54):
grab.
Taking advantage of vulnerableand grieving people vis-a-vis
the Long Island medium.
I literally have that in my notecause I was like, Theresa
Caputo, who is like beendebunked as a hack fraud
multiple times.
Can't stand that bitch.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-20 (01:14:11):
Hair's so big.

I'm not gonna, I was gonna say like
after my dad died, my mom inlike a state of grief was like,
I considered reaching out to herjust to like contact him.
And I was like, don't do that.
Do not anybody that has made acareer, quote unquote outta
being a medium, do not trust'em.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (01:14:34):
well.
You can have a career, but justnot like a TV show, you know

You're, yeah.
If you're a glorified TVpersonality, doing hot and cold
readings with a team of peoplethat can look up a client,'cause
you have to give them all ofyour information to like make an
appointment or book with them.
I don't trust you inherently.
I'm sorry.
Yeah.
If you have my information, youcan look up my Facebook page, my

(01:14:58):
family members, my life updates.
I'm not gonna believe anythingyou tell me.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_10 (01:15:03):
A they wanna

I'm seeing a, a man has a man in
your life ever died and it'slike, yeah, that's, it's people
die

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (01:15:16):
Or like, who's that guy who, that
he had like a TV show and therewas like a studio audience and
he would just say shit like.
I'm getting the letter.
H was someone in a car crash?
Who, whose name starts with theletter H.
Like it would just be so

yeah,

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10 (01:15:33):
with like

that's literally hot and cold readings.
Yeah.
You just throw out vagueinformation and you also have
plants in the audience that arelike, yeah, for sure There was
an H car crash in my life.
So I just, I don't trust mediumsthat have production teams.
That's my little rant.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025 (01:15:54):
though, in real

Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
Absolutely.
And they, in my experiencepersonally, legitimate sensitive
mediums of people that have likepsychic abilities are not like
boasting about it.
it's just a thing.
No, it just comes to yousometimes.

(01:16:18):
Yeah.
back to the Victorian era.
spiritualism back then wasn'treally tightly associated with
the occult that it is today.
There were like overlappingcircles Later in time you had
Alistair Crowley, who was alsovery into Ouija boards and
spiritualism.
I'm not gonna be touching on him'cause that's an episode in

(01:16:41):
itself and I simply did not havethe time or desire to fall down
that particular rabbit hole.
Hey, nose goes, not me, it's oneof you two.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (01:16:50):
Yeah,

But, um, seances were super popular
way back in the day and.
It wasn't seen as Satanic.
It was like a fairly common wayto deal with grief when
lifespans were significantlyshorter to both medicine being
in the state that it was, andpeople constantly contracting

(01:17:11):
diseases and not having medicineto actually help them.
And also wars, civil War, worldWar I, you're sending off your
loved ones and you might notever see or hear from them
again, not knowing what happenedto them

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (01:17:25):
And there are plenty of ghosts in
the Bible too.

Oh, for sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
especially in the Victorian era,people were like, this is fine
with my Christianity.
I'll hold the seance onSaturday.
I'll go to church on Sunday.
I'm not doing anything bad.
This is like a form ofentertainment and socialization
and like closure.

(01:17:50):
So that's really, that's what itwas used for a lot of the time,
was dealing with grief andgetting any sort of closure,
even if it wasn't alwayslegitimate or true.
People don't always care thatit's true.
They just want something tobelieve and hold onto.
So now this takes us to Ohio.
Stay with me now.

(01:18:12):
I know nobody likes going toOhio.
I'm sorry if you're listeningand you're in Ohio, I'm sorry,
but we have to go to Ohiobecause in the 1880s, late 18
hundreds, a lot of spiritualistcamps started popping up in
Ohio.
I'm not sure why specificallyOhio, but there was a large

(01:18:32):
configuration of the spiritualmovement in Ohio, and one of the
most famous spiritual rooms inOhio belonged to one.
Jonathan Koons, a formerPennsylvania farmer, turned
medium, I guess.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (01:18:49):
Good for him.

yeah, he had heard, an article or a
story about two sisters, the Foxsisters who lived in New York
and they started hearingrapping, iconic, classic medium
story, Fox, the two of'em.
But

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025 (01:19:07):
hoaxing people.

yeah,

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025 (01:19:09):
Mm-hmm.

mean, one of the many, yeah, one of
the many hoaxes.
But they heard they heardwrappings on the walls and they
were like spirits communicatingwith us, obviously.
And he was intrigued.
And he started going to seancesaround Ohio.
And apparently through many ofthose seances, he was told by

(01:19:30):
spirits that he was a giftedmedium.
And having that big complimentgiven to him, he decided to
build a cabin on his propertythat could accommodate about 20
people at a time.
And he, yeah.
And you know, he was chargingand, you know, he was charging
money for this shit.
Um, but he outfitted it with allkinds of musical instruments

(01:19:54):
that the dead could communicatethrough.
We got banjos, we got drums, wegot tambourines, we got cymbals,
we got harps.
We got little trumpets thatapparently the spirits could
blow through, but also givelectures through.
They were using it as like atelephone.
Yeah, it was, it was a littlebit silly.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2 (01:20:17):
musical instrument are you guys
communicating through

s-guest550_2_09-07-2 (01:20:20):
Harmonica.

Oh, what's that one?
It's like an Amato phone.
It's like a little music noteand you like, you like squeeze
the face at the bottom.
Yeah.
Like, it

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (01:20:30):
Yeah.

note, but a face.
Yeah.
wanna be one of those

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (01:20:35):
Cute.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (01:20:36):
No, harmonica

classic.

peepo-host438_2_09 (01:20:39):
instruments, the cello.
I feel like that would be verydifficult though.

so

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (01:20:43):
so big.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (01:20:44):
Yeah.
'cause

Yeah.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10 (01:20:46):
need a lot of spiritual power to

Yeah.
You need two other ghostshelping you hold it up.
But they were also like, theywere propped up in the cabin for
you, so it wasn't like they hadto pick it up and like play the
guitar.
They weren't playing Wonder Wallreal quick.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10 (01:21:02):
like pluck a string like

Yeah, pretty much.
Yeah.
It was like very limited, whichis why people wanted a different
way to communicate because thisway it's slow.
It takes a long time to get ananswer.
It's a, you know, knock oncefor, yes.
Twice for no, you're shoutingout the alphabet waiting to hear

(01:21:25):
a knock on the right letter andthen you're starting it over
again to get a word that takes along ass time.
People don't wanna wait forthat.
Absolutely not.
They wanted faster, moreelaborate answers.
They wanted to have aconversation with a ghost.
So when a newspaper, well whennewspapers generally,'cause it

(01:21:45):
was a big deal'cause there wasno patent on it yet.
They started reporting on a newphenomenon, taking over these
spiritualist camps.
essentially it was a Ouija boardfor all intents and purposes.
It was a tool.
They had the alphabet writtendown on it, they had letters
written out on it.
They had something that could bemoved to 0.2 to get a message

(01:22:10):
out of, and it was a lot faster.
and one of the people who sawthis new development, this new
technology was Charles Kenard,businessman, entrepreneur, and
Freemason.
It turns out, I'm not sure whyhe was a Freemason and he
doesn't strike me as the type,but, uh, I feel like at that
time all entrepreneurs andbusinessmen just kind of were.

(01:22:33):
You know, but Charles, thelittle capitalist that he is, he
saw business opportunity inthis.
He saw big dollar signs in hiseyes for this.
And uh, he gathered a few of hislittle capitalist friends to
invest in this new venture tostart the Kenard novelty

(01:22:54):
company.
And they were going toexclusively patent and
distribute these new talkingboards.
But first, this talking boardneeds a name, it needs
marketing, it needs a brand.
utilizing the help of one of theinvestors', sister-in-laws whose
name was Helen Peters, who wassaid to be a strong medium.

(01:23:15):
The board apparently nameditself because Helen was using
it.
And she asked the board, whatshould we call you?
And it spelled out Ouija.
And they asked, what does Ouijamean?
And the board spelled out, goodluck.
And that was that.
I don't know if it was sayinggood luck to them.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (01:23:37):
It, an actual word?
Like from any

It, it's a little bit of a
misconception'cause people thinkit comes from the French Yes.
We and the German.
Yes.
Ya just like pushed together.
we ya.
Yes, Yes, yes, yes, But no,apparently this is where the

(01:24:00):
name really comes from.
And also Helen at the time waswearing a necklace that had a
woman's name on it.
And so the name was, I don'tknow how to pronounce it, but
it's spelled almost identical toOuija, but with a D instead of a
J.

(01:24:20):
So.
I don't know if the boardmisread it or misinterpreted it
or if it was just like, yeah, Ilike that name, but I'll change
it a little bit.
I have no idea.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (01:24:31):
Hmm.

I don't know where it comes from.
Couldn't tell you how topronounce it.
So they're going to Patton, thisnew Ouija board, this ooky,
spooky new tool.
And obviously if you're tryingto patent a board that lets you
talk to ghosts, you have toprove that it works to get it
patented.

peepo-host438_2_09-07- (01:24:52):
Clinical trials.

Clinical trial.
Well they just went to thepatent office and the patent
officer was like, Hey, prove it.
Prove that it works right now.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (01:25:03):
So they did just a quick seance in
the

they did a quick set.
Helen Peters again, she wasthere to prove it'cause she's
such a powerful medium andallegedly, supposedly in
Minecraft.
She did not know this patentofficer's name.
But who's to say'cause much likehot and cold readings, you can
just get information aboutpeople such as their names when

(01:25:27):
they are like

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (01:25:28):
Yeah.

the local patent office.
No less what?
I'm sure there's like three ofthem tops.
Yeah.
But she allegedly didn't knowand she using the board or the
board using her, who's to say,spelled out the patent officer's
name and he said, holy fuckpatent approved for the price of

(01:25:51):
$1 and 50 cents.
I don't know how much money thatis in today's money.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (01:25:56):
You mean what?
Like 1890?

Yeah.
Thereabouts.
I.
Oh, that's not, oh, they made afucking fortune off that$70.
So it's awarded the patents,awarded their mass producing
Ouija boards.
The wheels of capitalism keepsspinning.
Eventually the patent isacquired by the Parker Brothers,
which is then acquired byHasbro, which is why Hasbro owns

(01:26:21):
the rights to Ouija boards, etcetera, et cetera.
We live in a society,

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_1 (01:26:28):
So it's Wei

and

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (01:26:30):
Wei G.

I, I even myself, go back and
forth, I'll say Ouija board, butif I am like saying Ouija
itself, I'll say Ouija.
'cause

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (01:26:41):
like, oh, I know how it's spelled, but
people say Ouija,

yeah.
I

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (01:26:46):
thing that

again, I feel like it's a tomato,
tomato thing.
Yeah.
So we've got this funny newlittle board game.
We've got this funny new littletoy that people are playing
'cause it's marketed andpatented as a novelty item and a
toy.
It's just a game for fun.
So how the fuck has it becomethe portal to hell that it is

(01:27:10):
today?
This object of fear that makesso many people uncomfortable.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (01:27:13):
when you're selling a haunted doll
and you have to market

Yeah.
You gotta hype it up.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (01:27:18):
only.

You're like, it's definitely possessed
by the devil,

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (01:27:22):
For entertainment

but only for fun.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (01:27:25):
It is just like how this podcast is
for infotainment purposes

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (01:27:29):
Yeah.

riverrrrrrrrrrr_2_09- (01:27:30):
Sometimes you learn something.
Mostly I'm talking about menbeing gay.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-20 (01:27:36):
making little funny, he

You never know what you're gonna
get.
So now we get to The Exorcist,of course.
The book in the

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (01:27:44):
Yeah, the Exorcist,

by William Peter Blady.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (01:27:48):
about to look it up.
I'm like,

Yep.
William Peter Blandy.
I literally, it's 20 feet away.
It's one of my very favoritebooks.
It's an incredible book.
I like the movie.
I love the book.
It's not long.
It doesn't take you a long timeto get through it.
Devastating.
So good.

(01:28:09):
So The Exorcist was really thefirst mainstream depiction of
someone becoming possessedhorrifically by a demon, by
using a Ouija board.
It doesn't help that the persongetting possessed and the
terrorists thrown upon them is a12-year-old girl.
Every, that's America's worstnightmare.

(01:28:32):
Is a little white girl introuble.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_1 (01:28:34):
of it all.
Yeah.

So The Exorcist really catapulted
the Ouija board to thetrajectory that it was put on
being used by horror writers asa tool of the devil, a portal
for demons to get you, etcetera, et cetera.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_1 (01:28:54):
So that's like a hundred years
later though, right?
Like it's

Yeah,

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (01:28:58):
years after

yeah.
People really weren't concernedthat much about demonic
possession.
There were a couple religiousorganizations, even back in like
the Victorian era that werelike, Hey, I don't use that.
Hey, I'm pretty sure that'sagainst God.
And like, you shouldn't be usingthat'cause like divination is a
sin or whatever.

(01:29:21):
And like only God should havethat information.
And you're like, you're going toother sources than God heresy,
et cetera, et cetera.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (01:29:30):
to say I am not speaking to God
through the board.

I am saying who's to say I'm not
speaking to?
We literally are all God.
We are all divine.
And we are all human.
Yeah.
So I think I'm good.
So the church isn't loving theOuija board right now.
Especially like post Satanic

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2 (01:29:50):
Mm-hmm.

Well, even when the, when when the
Exorcist came out, it was likeMid Satanic panic.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (01:29:56):
came out in 1970.

The book came out.
Yeah.
71 or two maybe.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (01:30:06):
for accuracy.

Real life fact checking.

peepo-host438_2_09-07- (01:30:10):
Exorcist was published May 5th, 1971,

Wow.
One week before my birthday.
20 years before.
Check that out.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_10 (01:30:19):
a Taurus.

It's a to and you know what it is the
drama.
It is, So naturally the churchisn't loving the Ouija board,
especially since in theExorcist, two Jesuit priests are
killed while performing theexorcism.
They're not

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2 (01:30:38):
Mm-hmm.

So the Satanic panic is happening.
The Exorcist is popping off.
People are now associating theOuija board with demonic
activity and spiritual upset andunrest and dangerous, et cetera.
But even before Satanic Panicand The Exorcist was published,
there were accounts and storiesof Ouija induced psychosis and

(01:31:05):
like even murders beinginfluenced and encouraged via
Ouija board.
And these were in like the early19

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_10 (01:31:12):
I can definitely see like a Ouija
board exacerbating, preexistingpsychosis.

riverrrrrrrrrrr_ (01:31:19):
Unfortunately, spirituality can negatively
affect your mental health if youare not taking care of yourself.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (01:31:29):
bias.

Yes.

peepo-host438_2_09-0 (01:31:30):
amplifier.

riverrrrrrrrrrr_2_09 (01:31:31):
Especially if you think you are directly
speaking to God and this isGod's will to like murder your
coworker or whatever.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-20 (01:31:39):
house, whatever.

Yeah.
So it's not the Ouija boarditself doing this.
It's people have underlyingmental health conditions that
are not being treated and that'sstill happening to this very
day.
Nothing has changed.
Time is a flat circle, but thespotlight that the Exorcist
publications and movie did puton the Ouija board made the

(01:32:04):
church take an official stance.
And most, if not all churches,especially Christian churches,
believe that all form ofdivination should be avoided
It's very dangerous.
It's not just a game, it's not atoy.
Again, you're trying to gainunknown information from a
separate source and that goesagainst God's will.

(01:32:25):
Don't do it.
In the early two thousandsreligious groups were hosting
large bonfires to burn Ouijaboards'cause they were like, we
gotta get rid of it.
It's evil.
Even the plastic ones, literallyall of'em.
And you know, that shit smelled.

s-guest550_2_09-07-202 (01:32:41):
Related, but like, kind of a when I was a
kid in the early two thousands,we went to those Halloween
events where there's like ahaunted hay ride and like mazes
and stuff like that.

yeah.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10230 (01:32:54):
I went to one as a kid and there
were literally protestors sayingthat we were like

Because it's Satanic.
Because Halloween is Satanic.

peepo-host438_2_09-07- (01:33:03):
chainsaw

Yeah.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_1 (01:33:05):
on it,

fun is of the devil.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (01:33:09):
Yeah.

Especially if you're a Jehovah's Witness.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (01:33:13):
But it's like what I, you're
literally worshiping somethingsupernatural by design,

Mm-hmm.

peepo-host438_2_09-07- (01:33:19):
anything else that's not this one
particular

Because my thing is

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_1 (01:33:23):
my thing is, right,

right thing to

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (01:33:26):
but it's like, what is then?
Like the Holy Spirit, likeyou're reaching

And you literally, like with the
rosary, one of like theblessings of the rosary is like
divination.
you are given information.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_10 (01:33:43):
a whole different strain because

It's a real pick and choose.
It's a real, like what is magicand what is mystical?

peepo-host438_2_09-07- (01:33:51):
speaking in tongues.
Yeah.
You got like the Baptist,

Catholic.
Yeah,

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_ (01:33:57):
that's spookier than a fucking haunted

is but, but that is holy.
That's the divinity coming intoyou.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (01:34:05):
Hm, hmm,

But in a good way, but by something
good, not evil.
And that's the most importantthing.
So now at this point, when theyare doing Ouija, board burnings.
The general consensus.
Everyday folks are going, oh,maybe there's something kind of
yucky about a Ouija board.

(01:34:27):
So the tide is turning.
They're having more of acautious attitude, especially
when you now have the rise of,at this point, I'm sure over two
dozen movies where Ouija boardsare the entire plot device for
evil to corrupt and possess andkill you movies including, but

(01:34:49):
not limited to paranormalactivity.
One of seven paranormal activitymovies.
But a Ouija board is only in thefirst one.
literal Ouija.
We've got Ouija two Origin ofEvil, the Ouija possession,
Ouija Blood Ritual, the OuijaExperiment.

(01:35:09):
The Ouija Experiment.
Two Theater of Death, the Ouijaexorcism, the list goes on.
These things practically rightthemselves, and they almost
always include Ouija in thetitle.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (01:35:21):
And there's usually a little white
girl who gets possessed or dies

almost always, she's the catalyst.
This little white girl introuble.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_10 (01:35:31):
I just looked it up because I was
curious.
I was like, did the Warrens,like Ed and Lorraine Warren, did
they use Ouija boards becausethey were, they were super
Catholic?
No, they actually didn't, theywarned against the use of Ouija
boards because they were like,they are Satanic.
Yeah.
So I could definitely see,because they were such big pop
culture figures, I could see

Mm-hmm.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_1 (01:35:53):
to the,

Oh, for sure.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-20 (01:35:56):
toward them.

Yeah.
You wanna talk about some otherhack frauds?
Bring up the Warrens.
Sorry, to the Warren Estate, butthey're all dead now.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_10 (01:36:06):
I Have you seen the whole
Annabelle thing?
Like she's burning

I have, yeah.
Yeah.
He died mysteriously, apparentlyit was like a heart

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (01:36:14):
sure.
Yeah.

Yeah.
I have pulled four Redditstories.
They're all very short.
tasty, stinky little Redditsandwich for us today.
Sky, if you'd like to retellyour Ouija stories before I get
into the Reddit of it all.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (01:36:33):
Do you want me to tell them now?

Yeah.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (01:36:36):
So I guess I technically have three
Ouija stories and we werediscussing earlier that I have
mentioned briefly some re um,some Reddit stories, some Ouija
stories of mine.

life Reddit stories.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10 (01:36:51):
life read story and we said episode
five, I think it was.
So number one, I'll, I guessI'll go chronologically.
Number one would be the one withmy friend where she was pushing
the planchet and made me thinkthat my mother was having an
affair with this other, our, ourother friend's dad.

Real fucked up of her.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10 (01:37:14):
Real fucked up So that was not, like,
I feel like if you push theplanche and you like, make
someone think something is beingsaid, but it's

Mm.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (01:37:23):
at the end of the night you reveal
it.

If you're intentionally playing a
prank.
Yes.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (01:37:30):
You don't make me live my life for
like a week or two or howeverlong it was.
Where, or,

peepo-host438_2_09-07-20 (01:37:36):
hands, not sleeping.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (01:37:39):
and I have to go back to her and be
like, I'm really worried aboutmy mom and this other man.
And then, and all of a sudden,like, she acts like I'm a
fucking idiot.
And she's like, well, I madethat up, duh.
And I'm like, girl, I wasconcerned.
I thought the spirits, I thoughtthe spirits were warning me
anyway.
Number two is the story with myaunt, where she had a, she got

(01:38:02):
drunk and she wanted to, like,she knew a bunch of people who
had died and she wanted to keeptalking to her friends who had
passed.
And so, like, the plan checkkept going to goodbye, goodbye.
And obviously I don't know thesepeople and the, it's working.
This is like a real session.
And she's like, oh, I knowsomeone else who I wanna talk
to, yada, yada yada.

(01:38:22):
She's pushing it, she keepspushing the board and saying, I
wanna talk to somebody, askingquestions, even though the plan
check keeps going to goodbye.
And then all of a sudden theette starts spinning in a circle
very, very quickly, veryviolently in the center of the
board.
and my aunt is so like, drunkenout of it that she's just kind

(01:38:45):
of like, not really registering,like she thinks it's like, I
don't know, like a loadingscreen or something.
Like, I think she just thinksit's like she's just waiting for
words

downloading a big file.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10 (01:38:57):
and, and I am, and I'm like, oh no,

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (01:39:00):
Yeah.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10 (01:39:01):
this is not good.
This is not good.
So I do take my hands off and Ileave that session because I was
like, well, I'm not gonna waitfor like the devil to literally
jump out of this board rightnow.
I remember walking out of thatroom and turning around to see
my aunt still drunk with theplan check going in a circle.
I do recall like watching her,like it wasn't her pushing the

(01:39:25):
board like the planchettearound, like that was,

were off.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (01:39:29):
hands were still like, she had two

I see.
I thought it was rotating.
I see it's, it's, moving

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (01:39:37):
like finger blasting.

I see.

s-guest550_2_09-07-202 (01:39:40):
correct.
It's finger blasting.
yeah, I think I mentioned thelast time I told that story that
we moved fairly shortly afterthat back out of state.
and when we returned to visitfamily, probably a year or two
later, we had discovered thatthat house had burned down.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2 (01:39:57):
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (01:39:59):
there was a house fire and the guy
went in to save his wife and hischild and they lived, but he
died in the fire.
I don't know how the firestarted, but it was, it was.
About a year after we left, thatthat had happened.
Um, and I'm not saying thatthey're connected, but I'm just
saying that that's

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (01:40:17):
Yeah, but it

that both of those things happened at
that house.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (01:40:20):
the whole thing with needing to say
goodbye at the end?
Because that's like a big

It closes, allegedly the door,

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025 (01:40:29):
Mm-hmm.

don't say goodbye and end it, you're
leaving it open for anything tocome through.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (01:40:34):
Yeah.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (01:40:35):
Yeah.
So the board was trying to closeitself when I was playing with
my aunt.
Like the, the board was like, soI think that she genuinely was
contacting these friends thatshe knew.
Like, I think that her

Mm-hmm.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_ (01:40:48):
saying like, I don't have much more
time.
Like, that's all I can do.
And they were saying goodbye.
And my aunt was

up.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (01:40:56):
the door open,

Yeah.
Yeah.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (01:40:59):
And like having the door forced
open.

by can

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (01:41:02):
Yeah.
And it's, I, I don't, I, Iassume in hindsight that there
was no longer a person toconnect to and that the door was
just open.

It's an open door.
Anybody could walk through.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (01:41:17):
she certainly did not close it
properly.

As drunk as she was.
Ain't no

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (01:41:21):
no absolutely not.

No disrespect.
I.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (01:41:23):
Uh, in story three, I made my own
Ouija board, which I still own.
I was living on my own.
I had my, my old roommate wasliving with me.
and I did play alone.
I turned a shot glass upsidedown and used that as my
planchette, and I successfullycontacted my grandfather.
So I talked to him.
Uh, we had a nice conversation.

(01:41:44):
I closed it out.
I said goodbye.
I've never used it again since,but I still own that.
It's just I have a giant, um,mixed media, like extra large
mixed media book that I haveother paintings and such in, and
it's just sort of within thatbig book.
So it's not like its ownseparate thing.

It's tucked away.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10 (01:42:03):
It's tucked away, but it's in my
house still.
Technically, technically there'sa Ouija also.
I technically have a, um, analtar cloth that has like the
print of a Ouija board on it,which I guess in theory you
could use.
of the three of us, I am wellversed in Oui.

have the most

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10 (01:42:22):
used it.
I do have the most experience.
that's why I say no, weshouldn't.
and I'm not saying that everytime is going to be a negative
experience.
And I think that we, I thinkthat if we used a Ouija board,
certain it would work and I'mcertain that we would get a
response

I just don't know what it

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (01:42:41):
Yeah.
I, I know that we would beresponsible enough to open and
Close it properly.
Um,

measures in place.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (01:42:49):
and I would be willing, if we were
to do it, I would almost preferif we did it at my house,

Mm-hmm.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10230 (01:42:57):
I would kind of like a little bit
more control over the situation,if that makes sense.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (01:43:01):
Hey, I'm down.
Next time I'm in town,

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_ (01:43:03):
that's sort of my, my take may perhaps,
we'll, we will do an episode on,if we do a, a Ouija reading,
we'll we will let you guys know.
anyway,

perhaps.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (01:43:13):
let you get to your Reddit stories
and I'll stop yapping.

Yes.
Some Continuing the theme ofmore Ouija stories.
Most of them pretty short.
One of them is like a fewparagraphs.
It's the longest one.
This story comes from Reddituser.
I'm a stay at home dad

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (01:43:34):
Okay.

and.
Stay at home.
Dad says, not me, but my mom anddad.
My brother is seven years olderthan me and the story goes like
this.
My parents rented a house thatmy mom's aunt and uncle owned in
the late seventies.
The aunt committed suicide inthe early sixties in the back
room of the top floor.

(01:43:56):
Shortly after my brother wasborn, they decided to use a
Ouija board to try and contacther aunt.
After a few questions andinquiries, they asked a question
that prompted the board torespond with Move Jay.
My brother's name is Jason, goesby Jay.
They moved his crib to theirroom.

(01:44:17):
A short few days later, amassive storm caused a tree
branch to crash through mybrother's bedroom window.
It landed where his cribwould've been.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_ (01:44:25):
That's awesome.

Not bad, not a bad experience.
Yeah.
Saved my baby pretty sick.
Thank you for that.
This next story comes from userYeezy in the Pussycat pussy with
two Z's instead of two S's

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (01:44:43):
Cats,

pussycat, but cats with an S.
Anyway, Yeezy says, my mom andher three friends were playing
one and it spelled out for tillno more.
They didn't think anything ofit.
And then over the course of thenext few months, one friend's
brother overdosed.
The second friend's dad passedaway suddenly, and my mom and

(01:45:05):
the fourth friend were in adeadly car accident where the
driver who was their closefriend did not survive.
Afterwards.
She had severe night terrors,mostly of a dark, evil figure,
and my great grandmama had to doa cleansing on her to get them
to subside.
My mom still has scars on herhands from the accident and
night terrors every once in awhile to this day.

(01:45:27):
It took literal years to get herto finally tell my sister and I,
the story we were told, never toplay with them, nor have we ever
wanted to.
Spooky stuff.
One of the less ideal Ouijaencounters

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_ (01:45:39):
Having bad luck befall you because
you've used it.
Yeah.

'cause some dark evil entity has gone.
Yeah.
All right, door's open.
Why not?
I'll see.
This is the longest story.
It comes from user Katie Kat.
0 2 1 4.
This happened in college, mideighties.
Best friend who is not yet.
Then my roommate and I got toplaying around with a homemade

(01:46:05):
Ouija Dee and I made it out ofbasic notebook paper with a
straw as a Planchet brokecollege days.
Such fun.
We got in touch with two spiritswho claimed to be from World War
ii, Jonathan and Wade being thedumb college kids, we were, we
begged them to send us a signthey didn't want to.

(01:46:26):
Said it would cost a lot ofenergy and might open a door to
other less good spirits.
No, no, we said, send us a sign.
We log off.
Go to sleep.
Wake up, log off the board.
Go to sleep.
Wake up, go out, run errands.
Return to the dorm room.

(01:46:47):
Message light is blinking onnow.
Antique answering machine.
Okay, scroll through.
One message in the middle isWade Ellipses loves ellipses.
Katie, we know no Wades, no onein Dee's family in my family is
named Wade.

(01:47:08):
We had no friends, professors,fellow students named Wade, and
so we proceeded to freak rightout, replayed it, kept freaking
out.
OMG.
This must be their sign.
Then had the bright idea tobring over our best male buddy
and let him hear it.
He lived across the way in theboys' dorm.
Dee and I run downstairs.

(01:47:30):
She runs and gets Jay.
We run back upstairs, messagelight's still blinking.
We go to play the messages andthat particular message in the
middle is gone.
Never came back.
Q.
More freaking out.
QA stern warning from Jay aboutmessing with Ouija boards.
Dee and I keep doing it, but Inoticed my hands going cold all

(01:47:52):
the way up to my elbows.
I felt drained, no energy.
Then one weekend my roommatewent home.
I went out, returned home arounddusk, walked in and the dorm was
freezing cold in May in the deepsouth.
I walked in and saw at thewindow a giant hand that knocked

(01:48:13):
three times through the glass.
We lived on the third floor.
I took one giant step back, saidnothing, thought nothing turned
off the light, locked the door.
Ran down to Dee's dorm room Qmore freaking out.
I told Dee, I'm spending thenight here even if I have to go

(01:48:33):
to sleep on the floor.
We relaxed.
Then I suddenly realized, crap,I need my contact solution in
clothes.
We have to go back.
Dee said give it an hour or twomore.
So we did.
We went back in.
Room was completely normal.
No heaviness, no freezing temps.

(01:48:53):
Dee and I ripped up the homemadeOuija board, clipped the straw
planche into pieces.
Never did it again.
I know what I saw.
I saw a giant hand knocking onmy window through the glass.
It moved the window blinds onthe inside, and we lived on the
third floor.
Something wanted in, neveragain.

(01:49:14):
Horrifying.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-20 (01:49:15):
That's weird that it was coming from
outside of the dorm.
If they were doing all of

Yeah.
Maybe you had to be invited inif you're, if you're knocking on
my door with a big ass hand, I'mnot inviting you in

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_1 (01:49:28):
At least it was

fair.
It was, it had the courtesy.
Yeah.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (01:49:33):
ass hand.

Ain't no way.
This last story comes from userpunk, pilly Wiggin.
One time a ghost called me andmy friend sluts, he was from the
1920s and didn't like the way wedressed, and that's probably my
favorite story.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (01:49:50):
it?

s-guest550_2_09-07-202 (01:49:51):
awesome.

That's it.
One sentence.
Yeah.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (01:49:55):
Who would you all wanna contact?

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_10 (01:49:57):
I don't know if I even have

nobody that I can't already,

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (01:50:01):
so bad?
Who are you even trying to talkto?

I'm gonna get into why Ouija boards
scare the fuck out of me in myclosing section.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (01:50:07):
Okay,

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_10 (01:50:08):
I mostly just like feel the urge

Yeah.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (01:50:11):
out into the, into

have ways beyond Ouija boards to
connect with

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (01:50:18):
Yeah.

and deceased people.
I don't need a Ouija board.
I'm good.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (01:50:22):
that, who that shadow creature was
that ran across my living room.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (01:50:26):
Yeah.

you could you could pull it out
right now and do that why doOuija boards scare me and why do
I not fuck with them?
I have fucked with the Ouijaboard exactly one time in my
entire life, I was 13 or 14.
Truly nothing happened.
It was a real nothing burger ofan experience.
I was with two of my friends inmiddle school, nothing came

(01:50:50):
through.
Even though later one of thefriends I was with tried to
convince me and my other friendthat she was possessed by a
ghost girl around our same agefor like a week.
I don't think Ouija boardsthemselves as tools are
inherently evil to me.
All divination tools havepersonalities where an Oracle

(01:51:12):
decks personality is distinctfrom a tarot deck personality,
which is distinct from pendulumand dowsing rods, et cetera, et
cetera.
And to me, Ouija boards feel soincredibly neutral as a tool
that I get the impression thatthey truly don't care if I live
or die.
So just anything can comethrough.

s-guest550_2_09-07 (01:51:32):
intelligent.
You know what I mean?

I just get neutrality, like
intelligent, but like, I don'tcare.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying,like.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (01:51:42):
It's like a cell phone.
It's not like a friend that'scommuni, like going in between

riverrrrrrrrrrr_2 (01:51:47):
capabilities, but it does not care about me,

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (01:51:50):
deck.
I feel like for the most part,if you have a

Yeah.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (01:51:54):
with your tarot deck, it's like

with my decks.
I feel I know what's comingthrough my decks.
I know what I'm talking to.
Yeah.
My deck cares about me.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_ (01:52:07):
things in a way that's like, Hey

Sometimes it hurts my

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10 (01:52:09):
you, but Oh yeah, for sure.

Yeah.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (01:52:13):
Yeah.
It's filtered in a way that,never used one.
But as far as you're saying, itseems like it just comes through
like straight unfiltered, like

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10 (01:52:21):
It's

Yes.
Just as is.
There's no filter.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2 (01:52:26):
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.
Yeah.
And I'm very specific about whatI invite into my home.
I am not, I'm not leaving mydoors open for nothing.
If I don't want you in my home,you're not coming into my home.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10 (01:52:41):
It'd be more interesting to do it in
my home because I don't closeall my doors.

have those barriers that I do.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (01:52:47):
about pendulums?
Do you feel like they're

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10230 (01:52:50):
I

peepo-host438_2_09-07 (01:52:50):
filtered?
Like

I have a pendulum.
I, it's the same where like Ifeel like you have to bond with
it.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_10 (01:52:58):
I feel like it would be similar to
a Ouija board.

It very much is with limited
answering capabilities,

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (01:53:06):
of pendulums as well.

to me, at least with my pendulum, I
feel like it is the equivalentof like tapping into source or
like divine information.
I don't feel like anything'scoming through it.
It's not an open door.
It's like specifically astraight line to what I need to
get

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (01:53:23):
Okay.

but maybe that's my hubris.
I don't know.
Nothing's come through mypendulum ever.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (01:53:29):
yeah.
I'd rather use the Magic eightball for some reason if I'm
doing Yes.
No

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (01:53:33):
the Magic

Because, uh, again, it's just a silly
little game.
It's just a toy.
There's nothing scary about a

peepo-host438_2_09-07-20 (01:53:39):
board.

ball.
There's no scary movies aboutmagic

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (01:53:43):
yet we can make one.
Let's do it.
Death Coven and the Magic eightBall.

and I would self-produce it, but,
uh, also I'm Catholic andCatholics inherently don't trust
weedy boards.
I feel like that's just sort ofingrained into our DNA and our
upbringing at this point.
Even though I didn't know what aOuie board was for most of my
life, I feel like it's just inmy blood.
And I even for when I became awitch, even tarot cards and

(01:54:10):
pendulums, I was like, thedevil's gonna come through.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2 (01:54:13):
thought I was gonna be fucking
possessed.
I like cast a big, the firsttime I used my tarot deck, like
not this tarot deck, but myfirst tarot deck.
I cast a huge circle and I didlike a cleansing, and I did this
whole

calling the corners.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (01:54:30):
And I was like, am I going to be
talking to some kind of demon?
And my partner at the time waslike, don't bring that shit in
my house.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (01:54:37):
My first tarot deck.
I don't know if you rememberPoppy.
It was the deck that I used inthat

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (01:54:43):
Mm.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10 (01:54:43):
that we famously talked about New
Year's Eve reading.
It was actually an angel tarotdeck.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_10 (01:54:49):
I remember that.
Yeah.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025 (01:54:51):
Mm-hmm.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_1 (01:54:51):
it changed my life.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10230 (01:54:52):
I didn't feel so worried about it
because there was

Yeah.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_ (01:54:57):
motifs in my very first, um, tarot
deck.

But, uh, that's the history of Ouija
boards and some fun littlestories.
I'm not, I don't know we do itat Sky's house, fine.
I'm not doing it in my house.
Ain't nothing coming in my

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10230 (01:55:14):
I know that neither of y'all would
want to do it at your own

nothing getting invited into my

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (01:55:19):
I've had some pretty intense
conversations in this, this,apartment

Mm-hmm.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (01:55:24):
now, like Halloween last year.
I had like a really intenseone-on-one conversation with
something.
And to this day I am like.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (01:55:33):
In what

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (01:55:33):
Was that a mistake?
I'll, I'll look at my tarot.
It was a tarot thing, and I waslike,

Mm.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (01:55:39):
Oh.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (01:55:40):
head meditative state and I was like,
trying to see what was up.
I need to find, I'll find itagain and I'll send it to you
guys after this.
But, so I, I'm not like supersqueamish about it.
I feel like I can handlewhatever comes through as long
as it's not like

Mm.
I.

peepo-host438_2_09-07- (01:55:58):
himself, you know?

I just get so like physically
affected by it sometimes thatsometimes I genuinely start
feeling sick when it's like toomuch going on, which is why I'm
also very hesitant to do shitlike that.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2 (01:56:14):
mediumship of it all.
Yeah.

so.
But I don't like feelingnauseous.
I don't

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (01:56:20):
if we had, if we, oh my gosh, I
just remembered, sorry.
Live, live memory.
I had a dream last night that Iwas talking to Hades.
Yeah.

what,

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (01:56:33):
it was like, he, I don't remember
the context, but it was like, Iremember in the dream being
like,

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (01:56:38):
Did you see him?

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (01:56:40):
no.
but I was worried'cause I waslike, am I working with Hades
now?
Like I was, I just remember inthe dream,

they just have some shit to say to
you,

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_1 (01:56:47):
so maybe he's like, Skye will do a
better

Hey, get your girl.
Hey, pass

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_10230 (01:56:52):
I don't remember what was
happening, but like I wastalking to him live this is
weird.
I felt weird.
Like I was in trouble with bothyou and with like the Morgan.
'cause I was like, no one, I waslike, am I supposed to be
talking to you?
But also like, I'm not gonnadisrespect you because you're
like literally Hades.

(01:57:12):
I don't know.
I was just talking to him and Iwas like, oh no.
Like, am I, are we working

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2 (01:57:17):
Mm-hmm.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (01:57:17):
Like, But I'm just like, is this like
rude to Poppy?
Is this rude to the Morgan?
I don't know.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_1 (01:57:25):
am I cheating?

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_ (01:57:27):
Right.
It it definitely,

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2 (01:57:29):
affair?

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (01:57:30):
it definitely, it definitely felt
like that, but the substance ofwhat we were speaking about, I
don't know.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_10 (01:57:36):
I definitely, now that it's, it's,
getting like, yes.
He's definitely about, like,it's the, the nights are getting
longer.
I can definitely feel it, I feelso disconnected from Persephone,
and I have like, all year, and Ifeel really guilty about it.
But now that Hades is comingback, I'm like, oh, my
spirituality's like waking backup right now.

It ebbs and flows.
It's

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_10 (01:57:58):
I still like, oh

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (01:58:00):
kinda sultry.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (01:58:01):
yeah,

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (01:58:02):
Is that just me?

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (01:58:03):
no.
Yeah, he's, it's very like,

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (01:58:06):
Okay.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_10 (01:58:07):
I don't even know how to, it's
like, like a cello on, like if Ihad to describe his essence, it
would be like a cello, which ismy

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (01:58:15):
The word I would use is sua, you
know, he's like velvet,

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (01:58:20):
Yeah.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (01:58:21):
just, he's like ua, he's like jazz.
He's like, I,

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (01:58:25):
And it's not even like, he doesn't
even want to try to seduce you.
Like that's not even his thing.
That just is his essence.
Yeah,

s-guest550_2_09-07- (01:58:33):
absolutely.
You're just kind of like, oh,oh,

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (01:58:36):
And I'm sitting here like, it's cra
cause when I'm like met, I'lllight a candle and I'll call
upon.
I usually call him andPersephone at the same time.
and I literally just like, feellike the enveloping of me
immediately.
Every single time.
I'm just like, whoa.
And it feels like hand, likethere's hands in my hands, you
know?
'cause I, I call them like thisand it's like, ba ba

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025 (01:58:59):
Anytime the three of us are together and
you say, Hades is hero, I getlike a lightning bolt

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (01:59:05):
Yeah.

Yeah.
I get a

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (01:59:06):
He's so, he's so present.

feel like it's like, oh, your dad
came home and we have to likeshape up.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (01:59:15):
yeah.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_10 (01:59:16):
a strong presence, but she's more
loof than Hades is.
Which is like kind ofsurprising, but

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025 (01:59:21):
Mm-hmm.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_1 (01:59:22):
It is what it is.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (01:59:24):
She made me cry that one time,
though, so

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (01:59:26):
When we were in the graveyard.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (01:59:28):
Yeah.
Affectionately she made me cryaffectionately for the

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (01:59:32):
But the self-love

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1023 (01:59:33):
a, good cry.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah, yeah, This is a long
fucking episode.
This

wrap it up.
I'm hungry as fuck.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-20 (01:59:41):
Let's, do it.
What, do you have any finalthoughts, river?

Um, a Ouija board is a tool that can
utilized much like many othertools.
The importance and thesignificant that it has is what
you place on it.
Be mindful, be careful.
Don't be disrespectful.
Say goodbye.
Don't play it alone, yada, yada,yada.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-20 (02:00:05):
Loaded gun.
Treat it like it's loaded, youknow?

Exactly.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (02:00:10):
Well that was great.
This was a great episode.
I

This is a good one.
Yeah,

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (02:00:15):
Yeah, we, I'm I'm satisfied.
Uh, any final thoughts?
From the crew?
From the gang?

I don't wanna go in the woods ever
again with all those fucked

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (02:00:25):
Let's not, let's

poppy.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-202 (02:00:27):
let's not go on the ocean.
Let's not

Nope.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2 (02:00:30):
boards.
Irresponsibly,

Except, yeah, except maybe

peepo-host438_2_09-07-20 (02:00:33):
except maybe next time we're all

riverrrrrrrrrrr_2 (02:00:35):
respectfully.
Yeah.
Maybe I'll think about it.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (02:00:39):
Sky, anything to add?

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (02:00:41):
No, I don't know if, I mean, full
disclosure, I've had a littlebevy, so I don't know if that's
why I'm like, yeah, come overand do a oui.
Um, and if

We've got time.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_1 (02:00:51):
We literally, We literally have
like six months until it couldeven be a possibility for me to
be there.
So Thank you guys for joiningus.
This was so much fun.
Uh, happy fright.
Tober.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_1 (02:01:02):
Happy Freight Tober,

peepo-host438_2_09-07-20 (02:01:03):
Tober.

have chills.
I hope you can't sleep tonight.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_10 (02:01:08):
I hope you can sleep.
But you dream about dark figurescoming upon

Ooh, that's even better.
Smiling crouching figures.
I,

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025 (02:01:18):
with that by the power of three.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (02:01:21):
and

so it is, oh, jinx.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2025_ (02:01:24):
And so it is

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025_102 (02:01:27):
Red skies at night.

peepo-host438_2_09-07-2 (02:01:28):
Sailors to light red skies in the mourn.

s-guest550_2_09-07-2025 (02:01:33):
morning sailors.
Warning,

Warning,

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