March 11, 2025 • 13 mins
Understanding the complexities of family planning requires a shift from meticulous tracking to embracing intimacy and connection. Dr. Pat's research suggests that reducing stress and focusing on emotional well-being can significantly enhance the chances of conception.
• Rethinking traditional tracking methods can alleviate stress
• Importance of the fertile window and timing around ovulation
• Emotional and relational aspects of conception
• Dr. Pat emphasizes connection over precision
• Focus on enjoyment and nurturing relationships
• Addressing fertility challenges with compassion
• Strengthening bonds can create supportive environments for conception
• Empowering couples to take charge of their journey
• Shifting from a goal-oriented mindset to embracing the process
• Key insights for nurturing healthy relationships and emotional well-being
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Life by Dr Pat Leading innovation in fertility
excellence.
Deep dive into reproductionwith Life by Dr Pat.
Welcome back everybody.
Today we're diving deep intosomething well, that you're
personally curious about thescience behind family planning.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
And we've got two fascinating articles in Thai
actually.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
From a Bangkok fertility clinic.
So Interesting.
Yeah, let me tell you, theychallenged some common
assumptions about gettingpregnant.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Yeah, it's a topic full of surprises.
It really is, yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I mean, we often hear about meticulously tracking
ovulation and all that Right,but these articles kind of
suggest that might not be themost effective way to go about
it.
So you're interested inunderstanding all this a little
bit better.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
And I think these articles offer some well, pretty
eye-opening insights.
Okay, To kind of get startedhere, I think we should lay the
groundwork a little bit, Likehow does conception actually
work?
Absolutely, you know the birdsand the bees and all that.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yeah Well, the key to all this is understanding the
what they call the fertilewindow, which is basically the
time frame when pregnancy ispossible.
So it all comes down to thelifespan of the sperm and the
egg.
Ok, break it down for us.
Ok, so sperm can survive insidethe female reproductive tract.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
OK.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
For a surprisingly long time actually.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Really.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yeah, anywhere from like three to five days, wow.
But the egg, once it's releasedfrom the ovary, it's only
viable for like 12 to 24 hours,okay, yeah, that's why the
timing of this whole thing is soimportant.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
So it's like a very delicate dance.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Where everything has to be perfectly in sync.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Exactly and think of it this way, the sperm like a
gentleman needs to be waiting atthe dance for the egg to arrive
, not the other way around.
You know, having those spermready and waiting that's key.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I like that analogy.
That really highlights why justknowing the exact moment of
ovulation isn't necessarilyenough.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
So how do people try to you know, typically track
this whole fertile window You'reabout?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
to enter a world of charts and thermometers and all
that kind of stuff.
So think calendar tracking,taking your basal body
temperature every morning.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Even examining your cervical mucus.
Oh love it.
Some people even use LH testsor look for fern-like patterns.
It gets pretty intense.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
That does sound, wow, that does sound pretty intense.
I can see how that could getkind of overwhelming.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Right.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
And I'm guessing these articles you know from Dr
Pat in Bangkok has some opinionson all this.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
They definitely do.
Dr Pat points out that, whilethese methods can be useful, all
this tracking can actuallybackfire.
Yeah, it can create a lot ofanxiety and pressure.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Oh, I see.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Which, ironically, might actually make it harder to
get pregnant.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Oh, wow.
So you might be thinking nowwell, do all these tracking
methods actually work?
Right, you know what does theresearch say about timing and
conception and all that?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Well, there was an intriguing study from 1995 that
found the highest chance ofconceiving, you know, if couples
only had intercourse onceduring their cycle was from two
days before ovulation to the dayof ovulation.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Okay, so there is a bit more wiggle room than people
think.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Yeah, a little bit.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
That's good, that's a relief.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I'm sure that's helpful for you to know as you
think about family planning.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Right.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
But isn't there more like recent research on all this
?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah, there is, and this is where things get really
fascinating.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
More recent studies are kind of showing that the
best approach might be, you know, simpler than all that tracking
.
Okay might be, you know,simpler than all that tracking
okay, they found that couplesthat have intercourse daily okay
, have about a 75 chance ofconceiving within three months
wow daily yeah that's acommitment it is but it does
(03:56):
seem effective.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah, what about people that you know don't want
to be quite so?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
um right dedicated well, even having intercourse
every other day.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Resulted in a 66% chance of conceiving within
three months.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Okay, those are still pretty good odds.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yeah, and then get this couples that have
intercourse two to three times aweek.
Still wound with no trackingwhatsoever.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Still had a 60% chance within three months.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Okay, so that's still pretty good.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
But how does that compare to all the high-tech
tracking methods and all that?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
This is the kicker when couples focus solely on
pinpointing ovulation, theirsuccess rate actually dropped to
30%, 40% within three months.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
So all that meticulous tracking might
actually be lowering yourchances.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
It seems that way.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Wow, dr Pat's research seems to suggest that a
more relaxed and consistentapproach might be the way to go.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
That's right.
It seems counterintuitive.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
But focusing on enjoyment and connection rather
than obsessing over the calendarmight be more effective in the
long run.
Makes sense.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yeah, and this ties in perfectly with some of the
other key points that heemphasizes in these articles.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
This is definitely making me rethink some things.
Tell us more about Dr Pat'skind of philosophy and what
stood out to you in thesearticles.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Okay, articles Okay.
Well, so what's fascinatinghere is Dr Pat really emphasizes
, you know, reducing stressthroughout the entire conception
journey.
He even advises patients,especially like after embryo
transfer to focus on other, youknow, enjoyable activities and
(05:35):
not dwell solely on baby making.
You know it's like he's sayinghey, go live your life.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Right.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Enjoy your partnership.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
That's a very refreshing perspective.
I like that, and it makes mewonder, you know, if all this
pressure Right.
To track and perfectly timethings is adding like
unnecessary stress.
It could be, To this alreadyemotional process.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Absolutely, and in one of the articles he uses this
wonderful Thai phrase oh, concon, con, con, con, con, Okay.
Which kind of beautifullytranslates to loving each other
regularly is the best.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
I love that.
It really kind of shifts thefocus from, you know, a purely
goal-oriented kind of task.
Yeah, exactly To actuallynurturing the connection.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
And the intimacy in the relationship.
Exactly To actually nurturingthe connection, yes, and the
intimacy in the relationship,exactly so much of the
conversation around conceptionis about, you know the physical
stuff, the physical aspects ofit all.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
But Dr Pat seems to be acknowledging the emotional
side as well.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Absolutely yeah, creating a space for both.
You know the science and thehuman experience he's saying you
know, yes, understand thebiology, but don't forget to
nurture the love and connectionthat ultimately creates life.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I like that.
It makes me think about, youknow, how this approach might
apply to couples facingfertility challenges, right?
Would Dr Pat's philosophy stillkind of hold true in those
situations?
Speaker 2 (06:59):
That's a great question, and while these
articles don't specificallyaddress fertility treatments.
I think that underlying messageof reducing stress and focusing
on connection is incrediblyrelevant.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yeah, Fertility treatments can be, I mean very
demanding so demanding, bothphysically and emotionally.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Absolutely Going through, you know IVF or other
assisted reproductivetechnologies adds another layer
of complexity and potentialstrength.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Exactly Imagine going through all those procedures
and then feeling pressure toperfectly time intercourse on
top of that.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
It's no wonder that stress levels can skyrocket.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Right right.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Dr Pat's advice to find other enjoyable activities
to focus on seems especiallycrucial in those situations.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
It's like a reminder that you know, even in the midst
of all the medicalinterventions Right, that you
know the foundation of love andconnection is still the most
important ingredient.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Precisely yeah, it's about remembering that you're
more than just you know Rightyour fertility journey.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Nurturing your relationship, taking care of
your emotional well-being.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Can create, you know, a more supportive environment
for conception, regardless ofthe path that you're on.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
This has been so insightful.
I feel like we've kind ofuncovered a whole new way of
thinking about this, right, butit also makes me realize that
this whole conversation goesbeyond, you know.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
It does.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Just family planning.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
It's really about cultivating healthy
relationships.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Absolutely, and prioritizing well-being, yes, in
all areas of life.
I completely agree.
Yeah, dr Pat's philosophyresonates because it touches on
something I think universal.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Right.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
The importance of you know, finding balance reducing
stress, nurturing connection yes.
Whether or not a couple choosesto have children Right, these
are like essential ingredientsfor a fulfilling life.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
So as we kind of wrap up this part of our deep dive,
Okay.
What are the like biggesttakeaways?
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
You think our listeners should keep in mind?
Well, Well, it's a reallycritical piece of the puzzle.
I feel like it is.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yeah, we can get so caught up, you know in the
mechanics of ovulation andtiming and all that.
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
That we forget about the humans human beings at the
heart of it all.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Exactly, and Dr Pat's approach really, you know,
challenges this often like avery clinical and data driven
narrative around you know tryingto conceive driven narrative
around.
You know, trying to conceive.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
It does.
Yeah, he's reminding us toconsider the whole person.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Not just the, you know yeah, the reproductive
system.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Exactly, and I think that resonates with a lot of
people.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Because, I mean, let's face it, trying to
conceive can be incrediblystressful.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Then you add in, you know, all the societal pressures
of the biological clock.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Right.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
And, like you know, the ideal age to have children.
Right, exactly, no wonder thatanxiety levels, you know, can be
through the roof.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
It's a heavy burden to carry, for sure.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
And Dr Pat seems to be advocating for a more, I
think, compassionate andholistic approach.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
You know he's not dismissing the biological
realities, of course.
Right.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
But he's encouraging his patients, I think, to focus
on what they can control.
Right yeah, you know theirwell-being their relationship
with their partner and creatinga supportive environment for
conception.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
It's about empowering couples to take charge of their
journey.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Rather than feel like they're at the mercy of their
biology or, you know, societalpressures.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Exactly he's saying, yes, understand the science
Right, but also prioritize, yeah, your emotional health, yeah,
and the strength of yourrelationship.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
And that's where you know his advice to focus on
Right, enjoyable activities andnurture that connection.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Becomes like really powerful.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Yeah, it's a reminder that you know conception is a
journey that you're takingtogether and that foundation of
a strong relationship isessential.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Whether or not you ultimately, you know, conceive.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Yeah, so in a way this whole deep dive has been
about so much more than just thescience of, you know, ovulation
and conception.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
It's about reframing the entire conversation.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
And acknowledging the emotional and relational
aspects that are so often, Ithink, overlooked.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
They are yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
It's about shifting from like a purely goal oriented
mindset to one of you know,self connection and embracing
the journey.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
And I think that's like a beautiful takeaway yeah
for our listener.
As you, you know, move forwardon this path to parenthood right
remember to prioritize yourwell-being uh-huh nurture that
relationship and find, you know,moments of joy amidst you know
yeah, the complexities of it all.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
It's not just about achieving a pregnancy.
Right, it's about creating, youknow, a loving and supportive
foundation for a family.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
That's such a good point and we've covered so much
ground today from you know thebiological intricacies of the
fertile window, right To theimpact of stress.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
And you know the importance of nurturing
connection absolutely but at theend of the day this is like
just the beginning of your youknow, exploring of your journey.
Yeah, exactly, yeah, this deepdive was meant to you know.
Yeah, spark your curiosity,exactly, empower you to continue
learning yeah, yeah, askingquestions Absolutely.
So you know what resonated mostwith you.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
What new insights will you take with you as you
kind of navigate?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
your own path to family planning.
Yeah, I mean, we've shared some, you know, surprising research
findings and thought-provokingperspectives, yeah, but
ultimately, the most importantjourney is the one that you'll
embark on together, you know,guided by knowledge love and
commitment to your well-being.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
So keep exploring.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Keep connecting.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Keep those conversations flowing and until
next time.
Happy, deep diving, leadingInnovation, fertility.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Excellence Life by Dr Pat Leading innovation in
fertility excellence.
Life by Dr Pat Leading innovation in fertility
excellence.
Deep dive into reproductionwith Life by Dr Pat.
Welcome back everybody.
Today we're diving deep intosomething well, that you're
personally curious about thescience behind family planning.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
And we've got two fascinating articles in Thai
actually.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
From a Bangkok fertility clinic.
So Interesting.
Yeah, let me tell you, theychallenged some common
assumptions about gettingpregnant.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Yeah, it's a topic full of surprises.
It really is, yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I mean, we often hear about meticulously tracking
ovulation and all that Right,but these articles kind of
suggest that might not be themost effective way to go about
it.
So you're interested inunderstanding all this a little
bit better.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
And I think these articles offer some well, pretty
eye-opening insights.
Okay, To kind of get startedhere, I think we should lay the
groundwork a little bit, Likehow does conception actually
work?
Absolutely, you know the birdsand the bees and all that.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yeah Well, the key to all this is understanding the
what they call the fertilewindow, which is basically the
time frame when pregnancy ispossible.
So it all comes down to thelifespan of the sperm and the
egg.
Ok, break it down for us.
Ok, so sperm can survive insidethe female reproductive tract.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
OK.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
For a surprisingly long time actually.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Really.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yeah, anywhere from like three to five days, wow.
But the egg, once it's releasedfrom the ovary, it's only
viable for like 12 to 24 hours,okay, yeah, that's why the
timing of this whole thing is soimportant.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
So it's like a very delicate dance.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Where everything has to be perfectly in sync.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Exactly and think of it this way, the sperm like a
gentleman needs to be waiting atthe dance for the egg to arrive
, not the other way around.
You know, having those spermready and waiting that's key.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I like that analogy.
That really highlights why justknowing the exact moment of
ovulation isn't necessarilyenough.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
So how do people try to you know, typically track
this whole fertile window You'reabout?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
to enter a world of charts and thermometers and all
that kind of stuff.
So think calendar tracking,taking your basal body
temperature every morning.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Even examining your cervical mucus.
Oh love it.
Some people even use LH testsor look for fern-like patterns.
It gets pretty intense.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
That does sound, wow, that does sound pretty intense.
I can see how that could getkind of overwhelming.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Right.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
And I'm guessing these articles you know from Dr
Pat in Bangkok has some opinionson all this.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
They definitely do.
Dr Pat points out that, whilethese methods can be useful, all
this tracking can actuallybackfire.
Yeah, it can create a lot ofanxiety and pressure.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Oh, I see.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Which, ironically, might actually make it harder to
get pregnant.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Oh, wow.
So you might be thinking nowwell, do all these tracking
methods actually work?
Right, you know what does theresearch say about timing and
conception and all that?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Well, there was an intriguing study from 1995 that
found the highest chance ofconceiving, you know, if couples
only had intercourse onceduring their cycle was from two
days before ovulation to the dayof ovulation.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Okay, so there is a bit more wiggle room than people
think.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Yeah, a little bit.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
That's good, that's a relief.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I'm sure that's helpful for you to know as you
think about family planning.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Right.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
But isn't there more like recent research on all this
?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah, there is, and this is where things get really
fascinating.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
More recent studies are kind of showing that the
best approach might be, you know, simpler than all that tracking
.
Okay might be, you know,simpler than all that tracking
okay, they found that couplesthat have intercourse daily okay
, have about a 75 chance ofconceiving within three months
wow daily yeah that's acommitment it is but it does
(03:56):
seem effective.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah, what about people that you know don't want
to be quite so?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
um right dedicated well, even having intercourse
every other day.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Resulted in a 66% chance of conceiving within
three months.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Okay, those are still pretty good odds.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yeah, and then get this couples that have
intercourse two to three times aweek.
Still wound with no trackingwhatsoever.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Still had a 60% chance within three months.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Okay, so that's still pretty good.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
But how does that compare to all the high-tech
tracking methods and all that?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
This is the kicker when couples focus solely on
pinpointing ovulation, theirsuccess rate actually dropped to
30%, 40% within three months.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
So all that meticulous tracking might
actually be lowering yourchances.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
It seems that way.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Wow, dr Pat's research seems to suggest that a
more relaxed and consistentapproach might be the way to go.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
That's right.
It seems counterintuitive.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
But focusing on enjoyment and connection rather
than obsessing over the calendarmight be more effective in the
long run.
Makes sense.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yeah, and this ties in perfectly with some of the
other key points that heemphasizes in these articles.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
This is definitely making me rethink some things.
Tell us more about Dr Pat'skind of philosophy and what
stood out to you in thesearticles.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Okay, articles Okay.
Well, so what's fascinatinghere is Dr Pat really emphasizes
, you know, reducing stressthroughout the entire conception
journey.
He even advises patients,especially like after embryo
transfer to focus on other, youknow, enjoyable activities and
(05:35):
not dwell solely on baby making.
You know it's like he's sayinghey, go live your life.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Right.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Enjoy your partnership.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
That's a very refreshing perspective.
I like that, and it makes mewonder, you know, if all this
pressure Right.
To track and perfectly timethings is adding like
unnecessary stress.
It could be, To this alreadyemotional process.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Absolutely, and in one of the articles he uses this
wonderful Thai phrase oh, concon, con, con, con, con, Okay.
Which kind of beautifullytranslates to loving each other
regularly is the best.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
I love that.
It really kind of shifts thefocus from, you know, a purely
goal-oriented kind of task.
Yeah, exactly To actuallynurturing the connection.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
And the intimacy in the relationship.
Exactly To actually nurturingthe connection, yes, and the
intimacy in the relationship,exactly so much of the
conversation around conceptionis about, you know the physical
stuff, the physical aspects ofit all.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
But Dr Pat seems to be acknowledging the emotional
side as well.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Absolutely yeah, creating a space for both.
You know the science and thehuman experience he's saying you
know, yes, understand thebiology, but don't forget to
nurture the love and connectionthat ultimately creates life.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I like that.
It makes me think about, youknow, how this approach might
apply to couples facingfertility challenges, right?
Would Dr Pat's philosophy stillkind of hold true in those
situations?
Speaker 2 (06:59):
That's a great question, and while these
articles don't specificallyaddress fertility treatments.
I think that underlying messageof reducing stress and focusing
on connection is incrediblyrelevant.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yeah, Fertility treatments can be, I mean very
demanding so demanding, bothphysically and emotionally.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Absolutely Going through, you know IVF or other
assisted reproductivetechnologies adds another layer
of complexity and potentialstrength.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Exactly Imagine going through all those procedures
and then feeling pressure toperfectly time intercourse on
top of that.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
It's no wonder that stress levels can skyrocket.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Right right.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Dr Pat's advice to find other enjoyable activities
to focus on seems especiallycrucial in those situations.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
It's like a reminder that you know, even in the midst
of all the medicalinterventions Right, that you
know the foundation of love andconnection is still the most
important ingredient.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Precisely yeah, it's about remembering that you're
more than just you know Rightyour fertility journey.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Nurturing your relationship, taking care of
your emotional well-being.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Can create, you know, a more supportive environment
for conception, regardless ofthe path that you're on.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
This has been so insightful.
I feel like we've kind ofuncovered a whole new way of
thinking about this, right, butit also makes me realize that
this whole conversation goesbeyond, you know.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
It does.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Just family planning.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
It's really about cultivating healthy
relationships.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Absolutely, and prioritizing well-being, yes, in
all areas of life.
I completely agree.
Yeah, dr Pat's philosophyresonates because it touches on
something I think universal.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Right.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
The importance of you know, finding balance reducing
stress, nurturing connection yes.
Whether or not a couple choosesto have children Right, these
are like essential ingredientsfor a fulfilling life.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
So as we kind of wrap up this part of our deep dive,
Okay.
What are the like biggesttakeaways?
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
You think our listeners should keep in mind?
Well, Well, it's a reallycritical piece of the puzzle.
I feel like it is.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yeah, we can get so caught up, you know in the
mechanics of ovulation andtiming and all that.
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
That we forget about the humans human beings at the
heart of it all.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Exactly, and Dr Pat's approach really, you know,
challenges this often like avery clinical and data driven
narrative around you know tryingto conceive driven narrative
around.
You know, trying to conceive.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
It does.
Yeah, he's reminding us toconsider the whole person.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Not just the, you know yeah, the reproductive
system.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Exactly, and I think that resonates with a lot of
people.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Because, I mean, let's face it, trying to
conceive can be incrediblystressful.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Then you add in, you know, all the societal pressures
of the biological clock.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Right.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
And, like you know, the ideal age to have children.
Right, exactly, no wonder thatanxiety levels, you know, can be
through the roof.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
It's a heavy burden to carry, for sure.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
And Dr Pat seems to be advocating for a more, I
think, compassionate andholistic approach.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
You know he's not dismissing the biological
realities, of course.
Right.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
But he's encouraging his patients, I think, to focus
on what they can control.
Right yeah, you know theirwell-being their relationship
with their partner and creatinga supportive environment for
conception.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
It's about empowering couples to take charge of their
journey.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Rather than feel like they're at the mercy of their
biology or, you know, societalpressures.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Exactly he's saying, yes, understand the science
Right, but also prioritize, yeah, your emotional health, yeah,
and the strength of yourrelationship.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
And that's where you know his advice to focus on
Right, enjoyable activities andnurture that connection.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Becomes like really powerful.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Yeah, it's a reminder that you know conception is a
journey that you're takingtogether and that foundation of
a strong relationship isessential.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Whether or not you ultimately, you know, conceive.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Yeah, so in a way this whole deep dive has been
about so much more than just thescience of, you know, ovulation
and conception.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
It's about reframing the entire conversation.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
And acknowledging the emotional and relational
aspects that are so often, Ithink, overlooked.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
They are yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
It's about shifting from like a purely goal oriented
mindset to one of you know,self connection and embracing
the journey.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
And I think that's like a beautiful takeaway yeah
for our listener.
As you, you know, move forwardon this path to parenthood right
remember to prioritize yourwell-being uh-huh nurture that
relationship and find, you know,moments of joy amidst you know
yeah, the complexities of it all.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
It's not just about achieving a pregnancy.
Right, it's about creating, youknow, a loving and supportive
foundation for a family.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
That's such a good point and we've covered so much
ground today from you know thebiological intricacies of the
fertile window, right To theimpact of stress.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
And you know the importance of nurturing
connection absolutely but at theend of the day this is like
just the beginning of your youknow, exploring of your journey.
Yeah, exactly, yeah, this deepdive was meant to you know.
Yeah, spark your curiosity,exactly, empower you to continue
learning yeah, yeah, askingquestions Absolutely.
So you know what resonated mostwith you.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
What new insights will you take with you as you
kind of navigate?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
your own path to family planning.
Yeah, I mean, we've shared some, you know, surprising research
findings and thought-provokingperspectives, yeah, but
ultimately, the most importantjourney is the one that you'll
embark on together, you know,guided by knowledge love and
commitment to your well-being.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
So keep exploring.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Keep connecting.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Keep those conversations flowing and until
next time.
Happy, deep diving, leadingInnovation, fertility.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Excellence Life by Dr Pat Leading innovation in
fertility excellence.
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