July 25, 2025 • 55 mins
Are we going to play Uno in Vegas? In this episode, the guys discuss how looking to cultural figures for Godly examples is a dangerous way to live a Christ-centered life. They also discuss the basketball top 100 player list, Justin Biebers new album, and a reflection on Amos 7.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is a Deeper Roots podcast.
We are here for hosts with life.
No, I missed the intro again.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
How did I do that?
Because you've been gone toolong.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
I was gonna say it's them greasy lips what you put on
them, things A-yo.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
So, moving on to the next topic, this is not the
corner A-yo.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
This is worse.
The corner, this is Ayo.
This is worse.
This is worse than Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Holding your lips While I cut your mustache?
Why you looking?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
at my lips, rj, jesus , okay.
So yes, wifey, put a littleVaseline In the car Like a
little, you know, pocket one.
So I've been making sure I'vebeen, you know, moisturized.
You know my bad, I'll like alittle pocket one.
So I've been making sure I'vebeen moisturized, my bad I'll
put a little less on for younext time.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
I noticed that's all I'm saying.
I figure your words might bejumbling together slipping and
sliding.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Alright, that's enough.
Cancel again.
This is the Deeper RootsPodcast.
We are four hosts of a lot oftopics about life and godliness.
Rj, you messed up my intro.
Anyway, it won't be A lot goingon.
Listen, you can text the pod.
(01:21):
When you look at your player,no matter where you're listening
, from right underneath theplayer, it says text the pod.
When you look at your player,no matter where you're listening
, from right underneath theplayer, it says text the pod.
Text us, talk to us.
We want to engage with you guysand bring you guys into the
conversation that we're havinghere, speaking of things that
are happening.
There's been a lot this weekhappening in pop culture and
news.
I know I sent you guys a prettythick list of things that are
happening.
We'll just go one by one.
Have go one by one.
(01:41):
Have you seen the video of thekid who saw Jesus?
So apparently he wasskateboarding, got into a little
skateboard incident, had to goto the hospital and when he woke
up he was like staring blanklyinto the ceiling talking about
(02:02):
his encounter that he was havingwith Jesus and he was like I
see Jesus, he goes.
It's so beautiful here, likethe video was intense and he's
just wide-eyed teary, like youcould tell the kid was looking
at something.
And so his mom started filmingand started like asking some
questions about what's going on.
And he says I see dad therewith Jesus.
(02:22):
And he goes he's so beautifuland daddy is so beautiful.
And then he starts having thisconversation with Jesus where he
says my mom really loves you.
And then Jesus responds andsays I like the.
What did he say?
I like the time I spend withyour mom while she's praying and
like oh, this is happeningright here Now.
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I'm a little skeptical, right.
So I'm like he might have alittle little drugs in his
system, because you know, hejust had this little incident,
all this kind of stuff.
But then he said something thatgot me.
He let out a huge sigh and hegoes whoa, his eyes are like
fire.
That's the one me, becausethat's scripture right there,
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that's Bible.
You can't make that up.
Have you guys seen this video?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
No, I started it I ain't finished all of it.
I got to the part of him sayinghow beautiful they were and
then I had to stop it.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Yeah, that was intense.
And then he starts describinglike there's so many flowers and
there's like these things thatare like butterflies.
And then he starts describinglike he's like there's so many
flowers and there's like thesethings that are like butterflies
, and he starts describing thisthing and then he says and it's
another part that got me hetakes another big sigh, he goes
I need to talk about the gospelmore.
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I'm like yo he looked to beunder.
He had to be under 13.
I think in a video his mom saidthat he was a teenager or, like
some of the research, I foundthat he was a teenager, so he
has to be in 13 range orsomething like that.
But he starts talking about howhe he looked younger.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
I thought he was like .
Maybe he was like 11.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Small kid, I don't know, I thought he was a teen.
I need to talk about the gospelmore.
I need to let people know whatI'm experiencing and what I'm
seeing.
That, plus the fire in his eyes, just a little commentary that
he was giving.
I was like I'm convinced he sawsomething, because you don't
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have that kind of intenseencounter and fake it the way he
was going.
Have y'all ever had anencounter like that before?
Whether it be angels unaware orPaul said, whether I was in the
body or out the body, I don'tknow.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
I haven't had one where I felt I seen anything,
the only kind of experience Ihad and I mean, people can chalk
it up to what they want, but Ihad a friend who I had a dream
about, a friend of mine that Igrew up with and his mom was
sick in my dream and so it was.
You know how you have dreamsjust feel like you're really
there, so vivid.
So I'm sitting there and Istart praying in the dream and
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it's just like I'm going, going,going and next thing I know I'm
awake, wide awake, and can'tstop praying, and it doesn't
skip a beat from the words I'msaying in the dream literally
comes to where I'm saying it inreal life, praying over his mom
and his situation.
I didn't act on it, but fastforward.
His mom actually ended up beingsick, like in my dream, in real
(05:17):
life, but I didn't find it outtwo years later.
I didn't know that at the time,um, and I didn't even say
nothing to him, because his momis perfectly fine.
What am I going to saysomething to her for?
And I had just gotten saved, soit wasn't like I was as aware
of things now as back then.
But that's like the onlyencounter I can speak of, other
than the time I was bad-mouthingand, I'll be honest, I slipped
(05:41):
a few things to my mom andfussing her out In the house we
lived in.
It was a downstairs.
My mom asked me to get it.
I'm like you get it.
We got to get it for a lazyself and just going in and in.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I was probably about yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I was probably like 13-ish, 14-ish, walking up the
steps and I'm walking up thesteps.
It's dark, I can see, but it'sdark, but it's a shadow.
It's enough light from upstairsthat a shadow starts coming up
the side and I hear my namebeing moaned and I'm like,
probably, if it's 20 steps, I'mon the 17th one and I went from
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17 to the floor in .0 seconds,like it was no time, and I ran
in there with my mom.
That's the only two encounters Ican't explain.
Somebody might be like oh, itwas your shadow, but it was no
light.
It was coming from the oppositedirection, from around the
corner.
Of course, didn't see nothingwhen I went out there with my
mom, which now I'm a punk.
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My little five-foot-somethingmom has to go out there with me.
I know I heard something andseen something coming around
that corner.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Yeah, um, but needless to say, I changed the
way I talked to my mom afterthat um, I, I can't think of
nothing that specificallyrelates to this um, but I'm just
thinking like I, I believe thatit could happen.
I believe that he could seesomething.
I think there's scriptures thatsay certain people had visions,
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um, in the new testament, andseeing things that, um, normal
people didn't see.
Um, I had a, a book I wentthrough maybe two years ago.
It was a guy, I think his nameis john burke and he did this
book.
I think it's called imagine thegod of heaven and it was about
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he compiled a list of a bunch ofpeople who had near-death
experiences um, where it'salmost near-death experiences
isn't the best word, because alot of them were pronounced dead
for some 30 minutes, some hourand a half and the things that
he brought together that theyseen.
I mean, it was like even peoplegetting converted when they
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came back, like Muslims who,when they came back, believed in
Jesus, or you know like extremethings, came back, believed in
Jesus, or you know, like extremethings, and they all.
And when he compiled all thesepeople together, they all seen
very similar things.
They all seen a light whichthey described to be brighter
(08:18):
than anything they ever seen,but not to where it blinds you
type thing, you know, or.
I can't remember all thespecific examples, but I believe
that I believe that it happens.
I believe that God could revealhimself to to people and show
people things and I believe thatit got in his grace.
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A lot of the people that ithappened to were people who were
unbelievers when they went inand said that they were told
they were given a choice orgiven a chance, you know, to
believe in him and that's at.
I believe God's got that typeof grace, that type of love, to
where you know when it's over, Imean I'm not, I'm not I'm gonna
(09:01):
say get saved now if you're not.
I wouldn't bank on it.
But I believe that, yeah, Ibelieve that it happens, I
believe that it could happen andhas happened.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Yeah, I agree it's wouldn't put it past God, he's
able to do that.
I was thinking, as Elder Chriswas talking, like I don't know
that I've ever had an experiencelike that.
I feel like I've probably onlyheard the Lord, not audibly, but
I've felt the Lord speak verystrongly like a voice, probably
only once in my life.
(09:34):
And then there's been a fewtimes in prayer where I was
praying and it felt like 15minutes and it ended up being
like three hours.
Like there's been a few timeswhere that's happened, where I
feel like I was out a little bitlonger than I thought I was.
Like that's happening, you know, at night sometimes you're
(09:57):
praying it's been a few yearsago, probably the last one that
happened and you wake up.
Yeah, I felt like I spent 15 to30 minutes and it's three or
four hours.
I felt that before and I feellike not, I haven't seen angelic
like big, you know, kind of thepictures, the seraphim that you
hear in Scripture.
(10:17):
But I feel like there's acouple of times in my life that
I entertained angels, like justwith an instance or with the
conversation, and I like thatfelt different than just a
normal.
I mean it was in human form,but just you felt like, okay,
that was something differentthan just a regular conversation
.
So that's the extent of myexperiences with it.
(10:40):
I'm always jealous.
I'm not jealous, but I wouldlike to.
But I think it's the differencebetween Thomas and the other
disciples too.
Thomas was Jesus, went out ofhis way to show him scars and he
said blessed are you when youbelieve and you don't see, and
that's a reward and a blessingin that too.
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But I think there's alwayssomething in us that wants to
see.
But thank God, we can believewithout having to see, but it
can be a blessing as well, I'venever had like an explicit
encounter.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
I see the Father like I see Jesus and the Holy Ghost
is floating in the like.
I haven't had those encountersbut I am a dreamer.
I dream pretty vividly and,like Chris was saying, I've had
dreams that came true later orthings that I shouldn't have
known, and I felt that or Ithink it's called like word of
knowledge Like I'll meetsomebody on the street for the
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first time.
I'll just start asking themquestions, like I feel prompted
to ask them questions, and itturns into us praying together
because they're like I nevertold anybody, like that right,
and those things are scary.
In the moment when the HolySpirit starts working through
you and you're like, oh my gosh,this is a lot to handle but
definitely a lot of dreams forme.
I wake up.
I have a voice memo like folderin my phone where I wake up and
(11:55):
I just start talking into thephone because I don't want to
forget the dreams that I'mhaving.
My grandpa at one time he wasfarming and got trapped
underneath the tractor and hesaid that you shouldn't be able
to lift the tractor off of youwhen it comes on top of you and
he said I was able to push itoff, but it felt like someone
(12:18):
was standing there helping melift it up.
That's awesome.
And he was like I know there wassomeone there, like I know it
in my know, like my five sensesare telling me somebody is
helping get this tractor off ofme.
But when I got up, no one wasthere.
And I do feel like there arethose moments and I think in my
Christian walk I think sometimes, well, if I'm not having word
(12:39):
and knowledge and seeing dreamsand seeing angels, I must not be
spiritual enough.
You know, I feel like that's atrap.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Yeah, yeah, I have just talking about, like you
know, spiritual things.
So like I have an odd.
So my mom's side of the familythey all seem to have stories of
like seeing angels, seeing Iguess what you would call ghosts
(13:09):
or spiritual beings or thattype of thing, that are mostly
positive.
My dad's side of the familyhave the opposite stories.
So where he grew up, you know,his dad had like witchcraft
books and things like that andthey have some stories of
demonic visitations or what theywould call a demon or a grim
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reaper or you know these type ofthings and vivid experiences of
even physically being touched,know by these things.
And so, growing up, I'm hearing.
I'm hearing both these sidesand, without getting far into it
, I mean I've, I've experiencedsome of those things on both
(14:00):
ends.
Um, sometimes I felt like likethe awareness wasn't there, and
then there was an awareness youknow what I mean of things that
were around.
So I feel like there's I mean Iknow there's another realm and
things happening that's a lotcloser than people realize it is
(14:23):
.
Yeah, it reminds me in theBible.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
I closer than people realize it is.
It reminds me of the Bible.
I can't remember who it is youall have to help me but there's
a story in the Bible about likethe word of God was coming to
one of the prophets and itcouldn't get there because it
was held up Daniel.
It was Daniel.
It was being held up in likethe big dogs, the arks.
Who was it?
Was it Gabriel or Michael?
(14:44):
One of them had to come downand help deliver the word and
message.
So the Bible is very clear thatthere is another realm out
there and there is somethinggoing on.
I think sometimes we can kindof get accustomed to our realm.
This is all that is around usand that person just has an
attitude.
Well, this thing is just acoincidence and the Bible is
like we don't battle againstflesh and blood, like there are
(15:09):
things that are out there.
But yeah, that was just one ofthe things that was trending
this week.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Another thing that was trending this week, speaking
of palaties and principalitiesand all this kind of stuff Vegas
Good transition Segway.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Segway king over here here.
Vegas now allows you To playUno At the casinos.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Let's go Question.
I didn't know this question wascoming, but do y'all play
Double Plus twos?
What is it I'm thinking?
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Draw twos, you stack draw twos or no.
Yeah, yeah, of course, 100%.
You have to.
You don't have to Draw two,though Some people try that when
you put two, draw twos.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Oh, you can do a draw four, but you can't do, just
because they put two, draw twos,do a draw four.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
But can you put down three number twos at the same
time?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's stacking.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
It's stacking, I do.
If you hit a draw two, PastorJason hits a draw two, and then
I hit a draw two.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Chris going to draw two.
He better go home.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
He better go home.
He got a draw two.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Yeah, but can you put down them?
If you have them all in yourhand, can you put them down?
Speaker 1 (16:16):
All at one time?
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yes, that's how I play.
It's not wise, but yes, yeahbecause you got to protect
yourself.
You got to protect yourself.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
You got to protect yourself because we all have one
that you're back to you.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Y'all just be making up rules in Uno man.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Thanks y'all.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Now, I was included in all of y'all.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
I'm going to tell a story okay, Growing up we were
big Uno people, okay, Big Unopeople.
And this might you know, Idon't care if people taste
anything anymore.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Edit people and this might you know.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
I don't, yeah, I don't care how people taste
anything anymore, so we're edit,edit, edit.
I am.
This is rj.
I am a white man, okay, and wegrew up playing uno and we
played what I would call theright way, and which is you put
down one card at a time and goto the next person Boring.
I went.
When I was nine years old.
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We moved to a new place.
My next door neighbor shout outTroy.
They were not a white familyand they were like do you play
Uno?
And I was like, yeah, I playUno.
When I tell you, I was likewhat game?
What game are these peopleplaying?
This was a completely differentgame and they were getting rid
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of cards left and right.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
I'm like what?
Speaker 3 (17:38):
That's the point of the game.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
We don't deal five cards when I play.
We deal like seven to ten cardsbecause we know they're going
to go quick.
You got to be able to stackthem and put them in there, all
that kind of stuff.
The only thing I don't tolerateis when you try to put a draw
four on a draw two.
That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
That is crazy Because it's not the same card Right
yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
So what were you going to say about the rules?
Because clearly you don't agreewith what we were saying here.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
No, I was just like.
I mean, I've done research onthis because there's a house
divided.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
He's one of those guys.
We're a house divided.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
The back of the box.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
And Google helps you out with what the true rules are
.
Y'all are playing a differentgame.
Y'all ought to rename itsomething other than Uno.
You play space.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yes, sir.
So you know well, maybe for usI'm actually.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I'm Chris and I am an African American, but we play
spades depending on where you go.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
It's house rules.
So whoever's house you're indetermines that the basis is the
same but it determines thelevel of.
Is it Joker, joker, deuce Ifyou play with the Deuce of
Diamond and all that.
So I just have chalked it up toUno.
If you're in my house, westacking.
I don't care what the back ofthe box say.
That gives it the fundamentals,but we stacking.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Now have y'all ever played?
It is funner that way.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I will say it's funner that way Than the stale
one card rule the back of thebox, mr Google over here.
But have y'all ever played openface Uno where you show your
cards?
Speaker 2 (19:08):
No, like you, lay them all out on the table.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
I have a four year old and a five year old.
When we play Uno, it's alwaysopen face.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
We all lay in our cards.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
They can't hold their cards in one hand so it's all
open face.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Do you take it easy on them or?
Speaker 4 (19:24):
do you just destroy them every possible time?
Character development yes, sir,not destroy, but we don't just.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
You're not just letting your kids win every game
you play.
Can I tell you something?
Rosetta's worse than I am.
Oh, she is.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Rosetta takes a lot of joy in beating her kids she
takes a lot of joy in.
I think, yeah, it's, it's, it'suh.
I've looked at her a time ortwo.
I was like, why are youenjoying this?
Speaker 3 (19:50):
much.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
This is a four-year-old girl.
Did you just be?
Why did you have to throw itdown so aggressively and talk so
much?
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Skip you back to me, skip you back to me.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Reverse back to me.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
And then they will start crying Like I didn't get a
turn and you go like oh well, Iused to tell my mom.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
I used to tell my mom I'd be like mom.
That's not fair.
She looked at me, dead in myeye, and she said the fair only
comes once a year.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Wow, I was like mom, that's tough.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Good job, tough Character development.
Speaking of characterdevelopment, did y'all see that
CEO get caught on the Jumbotronat the Coldplay concert Context?
So there's a CEO and his femalecounterpart, who's in HR I
guess they went on a little tripand nobody was supposed to know
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they was on this little trip.
They end up going to theColdplay concert and at the
Coldplay concert they're showingall the couples in love and
they're all wrapped aroundBuddha swaying to the music, and
so Mr Coldplay puts them on thejumbotron.
As soon as that camera showstheir face, that man literally
ducks behind the banister andthe chairs and she turns around.
(21:08):
So Mr Coldplay man is likeeither they're shy or they're in
an affair, and he said it infront of tens of thousands of
people.
Right, it's cold, that is cold.
The internet takes it and run.
This man had to issue anapology.
He might probably face adivorce.
There's actually people inVegas.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Both of them are married.
They're both married.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
There's a Vegas line right now betting on if they're
going to get a divorce or not,and I think it's like at
$200,000.
So somebody's going to profitoff this.
But that was crazy.
The wife Go get half.
That is crazy, I know.
The Bible says doing things inthe dark Will bring it to the
light, but he didn't say it wasgoing to be on a jumbotron.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Jumbotron that's rough, but his apology was trash
, though he basically blamedthem For not allowing him to
give them consent To expose hisaffair.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
What you read his response.
He didn't even try to say wewere just team building.
Oh, they were like hugged upand stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
There was no denying.
No, you don't sway with yourboy like that you don't.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
It was like hands around his yeah around the waist
on some prom date.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Buddy was caught, buddy was done, buddy was done,
oh man.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
See, people haven't.
I'm not trying to give cheatingadvice, but going.
Have people not learned fromthese jumbotrons?
I've seen whole highlightvideos of people getting exposed
on j jumbotrons and they scanto them.
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Like you don't know, there's athousand cameras around.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Let me tell you something about sin.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Mm.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Yes Sin will cloud your judgment.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Oh, that's this is, this is good sir, you feel me.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
It will be like all of a sudden, the simple things,
wisdom, understanding, knowledge, basic.
Oh, if I'm going to cheat viamy phone, I should probably not
leave my phone unlocked in frontof my kid, Like all that stuff
just goes out the window,because sin puts blinders on you
and it's a selfish reasoningthat you have and so I can't see
anything else.
(23:20):
So, yeah, he was enjoying hishigh life and his time not even
thinking and understanding.
I could get caught here,Because that's how sin works.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
And as soon as you get caught.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
sin leaves you and gives you guilt and condemnation
.
This is good.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
I didn't mean to go preachy on y'all, but as a man
who's sinned before sin will putblinders on you.
Buddy, you're right, you'reright, you're right, 100%.
And he had them on.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
He had them on Tight on his face.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Speaking of blinders, Whoever made that list?
No.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Give me a.
That's where I was going.
Somebody made this 100 Top 100basketball player list.
I think it's Bleach Report andthey put it out and it has some
people.
Somebody made this top 100basketball player list.
I think it's Bleach Report andthey put it out and it has some
people uptight.
I know y'all saw the list.
What do y'all think about thislist?
That's out.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
You see my shirt.
The list was right.
It was about one thing.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Yeah, at least the number one came through.
Air Jordan is better thanLeBron.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Okay, but LeBron was like, what was he two?
He was two, lebron was two.
Okay, I'm okay.
Like if you're talking about100 all time, for me LeBron
should be one.
But okay, jordan, you can puthim up there.
That's cool, you can put him upthere.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
That's like theologically making a statement
I believe in scripture.
I just don't want to declarethat Jesus is God.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
He had to go that deep.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Everything else that you say afterwards is built on a
faulty foundation, so invalidargument.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Top ten was Jordan, then Bron, then Kareem
Abdul-Jabbar, and that's whenthe list just fell off for me.
I was just all right, this listis going to be some baloney.
Four was Magic Johnson, fivewas Bill Russell.
We'll go to 10.
Shaquille at six, tim Duncan atseven Questionable for me.
Larry Bird at eight, wilt atnine and then Curry at 10, which
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is diabolical.
To take Curry out anything,that's not top 5, pushing it top
3 for me, but top 5 wait, wherewas Kobe again?
11 11.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
That's why I was thinking he came he didn't even
make top 10, that's crazy,that's crazy top 10.
I really couldn't figure outwhat they were basing it off of.
It seemed to be all over theplace.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Names just seemed to be all over the place through
that list, Like I started from100 working down and then I just
kept passing people and I waslike, wait, wait, wait.
Was that person above thisperson?
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Like you mentioned Vince Carter.
Yeah, vince Carter was over.
Who was it?
Was it Iverson?
Well, he's way there.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Drastically a gap between Carter and Iverson.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
I think Iverson was like 30.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Iverson was like 30-something.
Then Nash was right belowIverson, which I wouldn't do,
but who was better than Carter.
A lot of people that I can'teven recall their names.
That's how bad it was.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yeah, the list was crazy.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
And then somebody put something in the group chat
about their top three.
Well, I was just doing anythingto exclude LeBron from my top
three.
So I was including Steph in thetop three and I was also
including Jordan as the top oneand then number two.
I mean we can have somediscussion.
I threw out Wilt.
The only reason I didn't sayKareem is because I think Kareem
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the same reason that LeBron isin the conversation, is the same
reason that Kareem is in theconversation is longevity and
stats, although Kareem does haveabout the sky hook.
He's transformational to theleague because of the sky hook,
things like that.
But I went with Wilt as mynumber three.
So I went with Jordan, wilt andSteph as my top three.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Do you know how many people you had to exclude to put
Wilt that high?
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Yeah, I mean, I skipped over, shaq Skipped over.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Tim Duncan Ginobili.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Did you just throw out Ginobili?
Speaker 1 (27:35):
We're not going to act like Ginobili wasn't the
best point guard to ever live weare we're not going to act
because he wasn't.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
He was too high on the list.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Ginobili was not one of the best point guards.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
I was shocked by KD being that high, though he was
up at like 13.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Yeah, he was top two, he broke top 20 for sure, and I
was shocked by that.
Well, I mean, I guess he'sstill playing, but I think
Joker's probably a little higherthan 17.
He's going to be a littlehigher than 17.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
He's going to be At the end of his career.
Yeah, At the end of his career.
He might be the greatest bigman ever.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
I mean, where was Westbrook?
And I only ask that because, alot of people discredit
Westbrook and his accolades isridiculous.
The average of triple-double.
You put him up there with theJoker and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
But do you really think that Wilt couldn't play
today?
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Yeah, pre-pod conversation.
No, I don't think Wilt wouldsurvive in today's.
I don't think anybody from thatera would be able to score like
they did.
Well, first of all, Wilt wasplaying farmers and plumbers.
Let's just be honest, okay.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
The skill set JJ Redick honest.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Okay, the skill set, jj reddick.
The skill set wasn't there.
We are so much more, but he'sone of the people though he had.
He had the height.
Yes, he was known to be veryfast.
He jumped very high.
I mean, what do you?
Speaker 1 (28:59):
compare to who the irishmen that were standing out
there with him they also didn'thave.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
They didn't have like the training that they have.
The game is different.
He was dominant.
He was dominant during his timeperiod.
That was what the exposure thatwas.
That was what he was.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
You really have to go by like time period somewhat.
Yes, I agree, you can't fullyjust exclude.
Oh well, they play.
I mean, because 50 years fromnow they're probably going to do
that I'm going to say, oh,those guys couldn't play.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Why do you have steph curry so hot?
Speaker 2 (29:33):
yeah, I agree, yeah and I don't think people keep in
mind too that you just keep inmind his game back then.
But if you took that sameperson and brought him today,
he's gonna have the sametraining that the current people
have.
So what would that then looklike?
Speaker 3 (29:50):
He would look like Giannis is probably.
He's fast, he's tall, he'sstrong, he can jump really high,
I mean.
But probably with a littlebetter defense, more blocks,
more rebounds.
I mean you're talking about aguy who averaged 50 in a season.
Yes, okay, here's my A guy whothey told to stop scoring so
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much and they changed the rulesand said he couldn't dunk
anymore.
I mean we're like it's adifferent level of domination
we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Yeah, because there was.
He set the standard of whatmodern basketball would be, and
they weren't ready for that.
He was way ahead of his time.
Wait, was he the one thatscored 100 points in?
Speaker 3 (30:32):
a game.
Yes, that'd be him.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Which questionable, by the way.
Do y'all really think heactually scored 100 points?
Yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Why would you think he didn't?
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Inflation.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Inflation, what?
Why would you think?
Speaker 3 (30:47):
he didn't.
Inflation, inflation, what?
I'm just reading his stats too.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
He began his career by averaging 37 points and 27
rebounds in the 59-60 season,winning Rookie of the Year and
MVP, and then, two seasons later, he averaged 50.4 points per
game.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
And probably 25 boards.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Yes, Against who Well ?
Speaker 2 (31:12):
what defense now?
Is so great, though, againstthe competition?
What was his?
Speaker 1 (31:15):
competition.
Bill Russell, that was later inhis career.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Yeah, that was super late, but still, what defense
now is so great?
You very rarely have teams thathave truly good defense right
now have you seen the ThompsonTwins?
Speaker 1 (31:31):
They ain't doing nothing with that man.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
The Thompson Twins have one of the best, and
they're not even on the sameteam.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
If you take anybody from that era and bring them up
here, they're going to getexposed on defense Because the
offensive power of today's NBAis so incredibly great, you will
be exposed.
If you take anybody from thisera and bring them back there,
their defense is so much moresuperior.
They're going to.
They're going to stop bill wilt.
They're going to stop them.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
I'm not denying the conversation about the era
that's.
That's not I.
So you're saying that the onlypeople that should be in the top
10 are people that in the lasttwo eras?
Speaker 1 (32:07):
I'm saying building an all-time list is extremely
difficult, I agree.
Because you're including somany eras and it's just tough to
put people that high.
Now, if we were to do a listbased on eras, then I feel like
we could have that conversation.
I feel like that's a better wayto articulate greatness.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
Now I know I'm a LeBron hater and I'm well-known
for that, and I don't deny that,but I do want to make a valid
statement, I think, a reasonablestatement, based on what you
just said.
That's really one of thereasons that I don't put LeBron
as high as most people do isbecause I don't think he has
even been the most dominantperson in his era.
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Stealth has been just asdominant, if not more dominant
than he has in his own era.
The reason Michael Jordan willare named as high as they are is
because there was no rival tothem during their era.
There was for they.
They won whatever was faced infront of them.
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Lebron has had competition andhe's also lost to that
competition and given up more tosomeone in his same era.
Now, those that's, I think,comparing apples to apples, and
I would say to add on to thisconversation I enjoy so very
much.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Insult to injury.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Come on, this is when we need the text messages.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
I would say from the time LeBron got in the league
until 2010,.
2011,.
Kobe was the best player in theNBA, I think.
After that it switched up.
You got some Derrick Rose, yougot some KD as far as MVPs and
stuff go.
Then I'll say LeBron scatteredonce or twice through there and
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around 2015, steph took over andin my opinion, from that time
until well, he just won prettymuch by himself two years ago.
So until present day, I wouldsay you know, I mean I'd say the
Joker probably the best playerin the NBA now maybe, but I'd
say I'd still say it's Stephfrom then.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Who's the all-time scoring leader?
Come on, that's just a question.
I don't know.
Okay, anybody here knowall-time scoring leader.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
LeBron James.
How many years did it take himto do that?
Speaker 3 (34:29):
He was blessed with great health.
Okay, he was blessed with greathealth.
A lot of these players that hepassed.
They weren't able to play thatmany years.
They had unfortunate injuries.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Okay, let's talk about the years.
Who has the most all-NBAfirst-team?
Speaker 2 (34:46):
selections, and how many years though, you still got
his longevity of 13.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
But is it?
Look how long he's been in theleague.
He has 13.
Exactly, he has 13.
He's been in the league for 22years.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
That's a long time brother.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Dominant, you said dominant.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
We're talking about domination here.
Okay, come on, bro.
I think he was consistentlyreally good.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Oh my, Alright, we're changing the subject because
that's egregious.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
I think he was consistently really good, I
think even on his own teams.
I'm not sure.
I mean, does he win withoutDwayne Wade being the actual
game time score?
You know like.
Does he win without Dwayne Wadebeing the actual game time
score?
You know like, does he winwithout Kyrie taking over in the
fourth quarters?
Speaker 1 (35:33):
No, who got him?
Speaker 3 (35:34):
there.
Okay, anybody can get you tothe dance.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Why didn't they do it before he got there?
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Who didn't do it before, because Miami had one I
said he was really good.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
They did have one.
What was Dwayne playing?
Speaker 2 (35:44):
But me saying Dwayne playing.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
But me saying Dwayne, yes, dwayne had one before he
got there.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Yes, in Miami.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Yes, yeah with Shaq 06, I think, or 506.
Shout out to Dwayne.
Dwayne was the first one out ofthat trio.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Definitely.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Not Kyrie.
Kyrie came much later.
He's not in with that.
Kyrie needed Braun.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Yeah, which I believe makes the point.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
I have Shaq in my top five.
That's decent.
I like that.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Let's just go from 95 to present day.
Who is your top five?
Speaker 1 (36:18):
95 to present day.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Is this too long?
Speaker 1 (36:21):
It's our podcast.
We do what we want.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
That's right.
Y'all can skip this part.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
I gotta go in no particular order.
I gotta go Braun, steph Russell.
These last two are going to betough.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Russell Westbrook.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Westbrook Most triple doubles of all time.
Come on, shaq, shaq.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Kobe Okay, he may top five.
I like that.
Are we not counting Jordan?
I know I said 95, but you know.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Oh, Jordan got some at the 95, so you can count.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Yeah, okay, oh no, then I got to take out Russell
and put Jordan.
I forgot about it.
I forgot about him.
Speaking of stats, let's talkabout the greatest singer of all
time.
Justin Bieber just released hisnew album.
Justin Bieber is the greatestmale singer of all time.
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Argue with your mom.
He just dropped a new album andon this album he plays a lot to
his faith.
Okay, the pod mood is gonebecause of what I said.
We just need to go ahead andaddress the elephant in the room
.
Name a better artist maleartist than Justin Bieber.
I'll wait.
Name a better artist maleartist than Justin Bieber.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
I'll wait.
I'm not about to go secular onthis, so I'm just going to let
you keep talking, but there'squite a few better than Justin.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Bieber, are you saying like male singer or like
pop artist, or are you justsaying just?
Speaker 1 (37:57):
in general, in general Holistic artist Name one
.
There is one that you can namethat would rival him.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
So we're saying above Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Above Usher, no, definitely above Usher.
I think Mike, jack and JB mightbe neck and neck.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
You just call him Mike Jack.
Mike Jack MJ.
Come on, yeah, mike Jack, Ijust call him Mike Jack.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Mike Jack MJ.
Come on, yeah, mike Jack, Iknow him as Mike Jack, that's
why you think Justin Bieber's upthere.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
And also why you believe LeBron James is up there
too.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
JB and LeBron.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Did you have their?
Speaker 3 (38:37):
posters in your room growing up.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
No, I didn't.
But we're not going to act likeJB wasn't doing world tours at
13.
I mean, yeah, we ain't going toact like he was doing world
tours at 11.
That he hasn't had a bad.
Well, he had one bad album, butlike he can go on a world tour
whenever he wants to.
We're talking about longevity.
We're talking about constantlycreating hits, putting out the
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music out there.
Usher's retired.
Chris Brown needs to retire.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Mike Jack Usher is still in residencies.
Yeah, he's doing residencies.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
But he's still active what's?
Speaker 3 (39:13):
a residency to a world tour.
What are?
Speaker 1 (39:15):
we talking about.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Handing out cherries.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
That man goes viral for everything but music so does
justin bieber.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Yeah, I mean, he just recently went viral, for you
know whatever and then he dropsan album.
Yeah and let's just let's talkabout a guy who pretends to be
christian.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Wow, okay, okay, okay .
So here's the thing no on onhis album.
No, no, let's talk about it onhis album I'm kidding justin the
very justin if you want tosponsor the podcast.
That's what he's about to sayon his album.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
He, he talks about god, except that rj on one.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Rj on one today, by the way, still waiting for
somebody to say a greater artistthan JB, but on his album.
The very last song on his albumis Marvin Winans singing you
came from heaven to show the way, and I guess he recorded it.
He went to one of the gospelthings and he put it out there
(40:23):
All throughout the album.
He's giving glory to God, he'stalking about his faith and all
this kind of stuff.
There's little excerpts allthroughout the album.
It's also alongside a littlebit of non-Christian values.
Some of the features, mostnotably Miss Red.
She's on the album.
She's gospel right.
(40:45):
No, missing.
You're missing glorilla, notglorilla oh, oh, sexy red sexy
red gotcha.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
They do not all look alike rj so she's also on the
album I.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
I put them in the same category.
They are my brain puts them inthe people I don't listen to but
have oddly interesting voices.
I don't know they do.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
They're very unique artists.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Unique.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
So you have JB talking about God, giving glory
to God, calling him the mosthigh on his album, talking about
the gospel kind of arcunderneath songs and stuff, but
then he's also talking aboutthings that's not so Christian
values, and it's a littlelustful, it's a little sultry
and it's all these things and Ithink it's an interesting mix of
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where millennials and Gen Z'sare right now, where it's a
little bit of both.
It's Jesus is spiritual, buthe's not my savior.
Right, right, right.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
You feel me.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
I like the gospel as an idea, but I necessarily don't
want to follow it.
Is he Lord?
Is he Lord?
So that's one thing.
I was listening to a couplelike Ruslan and a couple other
people kind of talk about thisand I think that some people are
, you know, raising all hellfireagainst JB, being like how can
you talk about Jesus when you'realso talking about sex on your
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album?
And other people are likepraising how he's Jesus curious,
and we're not going to act likehe hasn't been going to church
and he doesn't have a pastorthat he goes to and all this
kind of stuff.
But then you put out a body ofwork that's supposed to
represent you and where you arein your life right now, and it's
lustful and faithful at thesame time, If I was a singer,
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which I am not.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
I'm also not an NBA player, but I have opinions on
these things.
A player, but I have opinionson these things.
Okay, um, I would say, if youare a believer and you are a
follow of the Lord Jesus Christand you feel like part of your
mission is to express your faithand the gospel and share that,
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then you probably wouldn't wantto put out anything to bring a
reproach on, possibly, the namethe Lord Jesus and and the
things that you're trying to getacross.
You could actually pull the rugup under your own message by
your next song being aboutsomething completely different
(43:22):
than the one before.
I appreciate all.
I mean, I appreciate I like art,I like I'm into a bunch of
different things.
So I'm not gonna say I won'tlisten to anything that doesn't
explicitly proclaim jesus,because I have and and I will.
Um, but just as I don't know, Idon't know, I don't know where
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the line is and I think we mayhave talked about this before
I've always been interested inthis.
Like it was kind of like doy'all remember, are y'all into
like Christian hip-hop stuff Ahundred percent?
So like when Lecrae had histhing right, and like in the
beginning it was very explicitgospel yes, and it was like he
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used to talk about walkingaround with his John MacArthur.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, very, rest inpeace.
Very explicit.
And then he went through almostlike a transformation.
Then his music he was like no,I just do hip hop, you know,
type of thing, and it was withdifferent artists and different
(44:27):
things and but he would say nowthat that wasn't the best part
of him.
Yeah, he would say he was goingthrough something.
And listening to him in recentyears and his music has changed
back closer to explicit, christ,honoring, um, you know, uh, art
(44:51):
, and I think that that's a goodpicture of I just think you're
what, what comes out of theabundance of the heart.
The mouth speaks.
I think you, you'll, what comesout of you and a lot of people.
That's probably where jb is.
He's, he's, he must be inbetween.
Yeah, thank dylan.
You know, I imagine I can'timagine having that type of fame
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as a pre-teen.
Yes, crazy, having you knowpeople screaming your name and
chanting and everybody followingyou all the time and everything
you do is under the light.
So it's like I don't know whatthat feels like and I don't want
to know what that feels like.
I don't ever want that type offame.
Not that I would get it.
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I'm not that good looking andnot that great of an artist.
But I don't know, I don't know,I don't know.
But I pray for him.
I hope that he continues togrow in his faith and I hope he
puts out more and more Christexalting music.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Trying to find the words Cause.
So nobody's perfect.
Everybody has their flaws andtheir issues.
And just because you're goingthrough something don't mean
that you can't promote Christwhen you're going through
something.
Don't mean that you can'tpromote Christ when you're going
through a certain situation orscenario.
I think the biggest issue is howare you talking about your
shortcomings?
Like if we were having aconversation, or if I was an
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artist and I was talking aboutChrist, but I was being
transparent and real, whichnowadays, is what they want, and
I'm being actually open andhonest.
I'm not trying to act like oh,my life is perfect because I
have Christ, I've doneeverything right, I've done all
this.
But when I talk about myshortcomings, I'm not promoting
nor condoning you to do it.
When I'm telling you about it,I'm telling you how far it's
pulled me from Christ, not aboutglorifying, chasing women or
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having all these women in mypast.
I'm actually talking about itbecause I'm ashamed and I'm
trying to tell you that there'sno glory in that Verse me
singing to try to encourage youto do the same or to say you're
okay.
And even if it is a okay, it'snot an okay because you're doing
it.
It's an okay, christ stillloves you.
Let's get it corrected.
He's not condemned you, but letit be a conviction in you.
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So that's my stance on thatkind of stuff.
I haven't heard the album so Idon't really know which way he's
coming or how he's trying to doit.
It may just be a confessionsthing and he's putting it out
there which, like RJ said, I'venever been in that level of fame
.
And when you're at that levelpeople can take what you say as
gospel and they shouldn't.
But we live in a world thatthey love the messenger more
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than the, the actual person thatgave them the message and the
creator of it.
And that's even in the churchitself, where you have like 100
gospel artists and stuff likethat.
They hold on more to what theysing about than actual
scriptures themselves.
Um, but that's kind of my take,like no judgment on him because
, like I said, I haven't thealbum, but that is my view on
those kind of things.
(47:44):
As I've grown, as I've gottenolder, there was a day and time
where I'm like, yeah, I went tochurch and then I went and did
this and it was cool to be onboth platforms, but I was trying
to please both worlds.
But when I really started tomake the decision now it's like,
okay, that's not cool.
I can't be over here and overhere there's an actual division,
a divide between this andthere's a standard.
(48:06):
I think a lot of people try toadjust the standard of God based
off the people they listen toor they like, and now based off
how successful they are, whattheir walk looks like.
If I can at least get to aPastor Jason's walk I don't know
all his things he's goingthrough If I can get to Isaiah's
walk I don't know all histhings he's going through If I
can get to Isaiah's walk, or ifI can get to this person's walk,
then I'm good.
That's not the standard.
The standard is Christ and thescriptures.
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So I mean, in a nutshell,that's kind of my view on it.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
Yeah, I think if we remove JB and I think a lot of
people in my generation havethis good energy versus
godliness factor where this goodenergy versus godliness factor,
where I really like the goodenergy of the church, I like the
good energy of Christ, that'sgood.
I like the good energy of theBible, I like the idea of doing
the performative things, it'sreally good energy.
It makes me feel good when Ilisten to Christian music.
(48:52):
I listen to K-Love Radio.
You know what I mean.
But good energy doesn't get youobedience.
You know what I mean obedience.
You know what I mean, and so Ifall into it my own self.
Where I feel like this is itfeels really good to listen to
this while I'm in the car andI'm going to the place that
would not glorify God.
It feels really good here and Isee that duality.
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I feel like, as you were saying, as you draw closer to God
these other good energy stuff orstuff that just feels good, it
will fall away.
And it's very hard to take mydouble life to the throne room
of heaven if I'm actuallyspending time there.
Speaker 4 (49:36):
You guys have given great thoughts on it.
I'll take it.
I think Elder Chris's point wasspot on.
Most of us will never be inthat position where we have that
type of pressure, as you guyshave stated.
So I think most of ourconversation should be centered
around how we look at thesepeople, how we view these people
, how we receive from thesepeople, meaning that
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entertainment should not be ourplace where we get our doctrine
from and our theology.
And we need a church, we needpastors, we need people, we need
accountability in our world.
And will there be weak peoplethat are influenced by fame and
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popularity?
Yes, but never let it be thetrue Christians who are,
although it may be recreation orentertainment from them.
Let's get our idea of whatChrist-honoring life is from
people that are in our world,people that are around us,
churches that we're planted in,pastors and leaders and elders
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that speak into our life on aconsistent basis.
What you hear on the radioshould not be formational when
it comes to your walk with theLord.
And then I agree with you guys,and the reason I say that it
should not be formational for usis because I pray for Justin.
I pray that his conversion istrue.
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I pray that he continues tojourney and draw closer to the
Lord, but I don't trust his walkwith the Lord enough to allow
his walk with the Lord toinfluence my walk with the Lord,
and I think that's kind of thething.
That's his own personal thing.
He has a lot of influence.
If I had his ear and I was ableto speak some things into his
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life, maybe I would take thatopportunity to more overtly
remove from some of the thingsthat are contaminating.
But since I don't have that, myencouragement is to all those
who do listen and people withinthe body of Christ.
It is entertainment.
He's got a lot of demands onhim, a lot of pressure from him
from a lot of different ways,and that should never be good or
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bad effect.
The way that you see Jesus, theway that you're walking in your
walk with the Lord, Let that beat a much more firm foundation.
That's why I think when PaulNew Testament writers Paul
included Peter as well givesinstruction to leaders within
the body of Christ, theirexpectations, their expectations
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like above reproach and to livea life of hospitality, and why
Scripture puts so muchresponsibility on leadership is
because they're supposed to bethe ones that are influencing
the flock, and I pray.
I miss the moments when I missit, when gray-haired people were
the people that wereinfluencing next generation, not
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people within our owngeneration.
That was influencing us,because they're just trying to
figure it out too, Does that?
Speaker 1 (52:40):
make sense at all.
Yes, sir, yes, sir, Me andWifey speaking of that.
I'm going to open the Biblereal quick.
Don't open it Me and Wifey.
I love what you guys are sayingof.
You know we don't take thepeople around us as the standard
of the Christian walk or how weshould look.
So me and Wifey were talkingand we went to Amos.
So me and wifey were talkingand we went to Amos.
(53:00):
When's the last time you hearda sermon out of the book of Amos
.
Amos 7 talks about the plumbline, and I love this Old
(53:25):
Testament vision that Amos ishaving about the standard that
we are subjected to.
So in Amos 7, verse 7, thus heshowed me.
Behold, the Lord stood on thewall made with a plumb line,
with the plumb line in his hand.
So for those of you who don'tknow, a plumb line is like a
string with a weight on it andyou place it up against the wall
to see how crooked the wall is.
Now, the thing about a plumbline is that it will always be
straight.
Always, no matter the height,no matter how long the string is
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, it will always be straight.
You can tell that the wall isnot straight, not based on the
wall, but based on the plumbline, and you usually dangle the
plumb line off the side of thebuilding or you nail it too.
To figure it out, thisscripture right here says the
plumb line is measured in hishand.
Thus he showed me.
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Behold, the Lord stood on thewall made with a plumb line,
with a plumb line in his hand,and the Lord said to me Amos,
what do you see?
And I said a plumb line.
Then the Lord said behold, I amsetting the plumb line in the
midst of my people of Israel.
Then he gets into judgment.
I in the midst of my people ofIsrael.
Then he gets into judgment Iwill not pass by them anymore.
The high places of Isaac shallbe desolate and the sanctuaries
of Israel shall be made waste,and I will rise the sword
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against the house of Jeroboam.
So he starts giving judgment.
And I think this right here isconvicting to me personally,
because I think I measure myselfagainst other people, I measure
myself against the past, Imeasure the self against things
that make me feel good aboutmyself, or I feel like you know
what I'm actually doing prettygood in life.
Then I read Amos 7, and he'slike I'm the one that's holding
the plumb line.
The plumb line is in my handand I am the standard.
Therefore, you should belooking at me, not the
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influences around you.
And I think that ties exactlywhat you guys are saying of we
don't look to other peoplearound you, and I think that
ties exactly what you guys aresaying of we don't look to other
people, we only look to thestandard.
And guess what?
Everybody is crooked againstthat plumb line that he has in
his hand.
Speaker 3 (55:09):
There is none good, no, not one.
Amen, amen, except the LordJesus Christ.
Benedict is out.
Speaker 1 (55:21):
RJ Benedict is out.
Speaker 3 (55:22):
That's why he had to come and live a perfect life
that we couldn't live.
Speaker 1 (55:27):
Amen.
Sometimes I'll be seeing apreacher in RJ.
It's in there.
Speaker 4 (55:33):
If he wanted to sneak out, he don't even need a
podium.
Speaker 1 (55:39):
Yeah, Jonah said the same thing.
Speaker 4 (55:42):
And that's the end of the podcast.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
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We are here for hosts with life.
No, I missed the intro again.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
How did I do that?
Because you've been gone toolong.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
I was gonna say it's them greasy lips what you put on
them, things A-yo.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
So, moving on to the next topic, this is not the
corner A-yo.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
This is worse.
The corner, this is Ayo.
This is worse.
This is worse than Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Holding your lips While I cut your mustache?
Why you looking?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
at my lips, rj, jesus , okay.
So yes, wifey, put a littleVaseline In the car Like a
little, you know, pocket one.
So I've been making sure I'vebeen, you know, moisturized.
You know my bad, I'll like alittle pocket one.
So I've been making sure I'vebeen moisturized, my bad I'll
put a little less on for younext time.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
I noticed that's all I'm saying.
I figure your words might bejumbling together slipping and
sliding.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
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We are four hosts of a lot oftopics about life and godliness.
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We want to engage with you guysand bring you guys into the
conversation that we're havinghere, speaking of things that
are happening.
There's been a lot this weekhappening in pop culture and
news.
I know I sent you guys a prettythick list of things that are
happening.
We'll just go one by one.
Have go one by one.
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Have you seen the video of thekid who saw Jesus?
So apparently he wasskateboarding, got into a little
skateboard incident, had to goto the hospital and when he woke
up he was like staring blanklyinto the ceiling talking about
(02:02):
his encounter that he was havingwith Jesus and he was like I
see Jesus, he goes.
It's so beautiful here, likethe video was intense and he's
just wide-eyed teary, like youcould tell the kid was looking
at something.
And so his mom started filmingand started like asking some
questions about what's going on.
And he says I see dad therewith Jesus.
(02:22):
And he goes he's so beautifuland daddy is so beautiful.
And then he starts having thisconversation with Jesus where he
says my mom really loves you.
And then Jesus responds andsays I like the.
What did he say?
I like the time I spend withyour mom while she's praying and
like oh, this is happeningright here Now.
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I'm a little skeptical, right.
So I'm like he might have alittle little drugs in his
system, because you know, hejust had this little incident,
all this kind of stuff.
But then he said something thatgot me.
He let out a huge sigh and hegoes whoa, his eyes are like
fire.
That's the one me, becausethat's scripture right there,
(03:04):
that's Bible.
You can't make that up.
Have you guys seen this video?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
No, I started it I ain't finished all of it.
I got to the part of him sayinghow beautiful they were and
then I had to stop it.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Yeah, that was intense.
And then he starts describinglike there's so many flowers and
there's like these things thatare like butterflies.
And then he starts describinglike he's like there's so many
flowers and there's like thesethings that are like butterflies
, and he starts describing thisthing and then he says and it's
another part that got me hetakes another big sigh, he goes
I need to talk about the gospelmore.
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I'm like yo he looked to beunder.
He had to be under 13.
I think in a video his mom saidthat he was a teenager or, like
some of the research, I foundthat he was a teenager, so he
has to be in 13 range orsomething like that.
But he starts talking about howhe he looked younger.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
I thought he was like .
Maybe he was like 11.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Small kid, I don't know, I thought he was a teen.
I need to talk about the gospelmore.
I need to let people know whatI'm experiencing and what I'm
seeing.
That, plus the fire in his eyes, just a little commentary that
he was giving.
I was like I'm convinced he sawsomething, because you don't
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have that kind of intenseencounter and fake it the way he
was going.
Have y'all ever had anencounter like that before?
Whether it be angels unaware orPaul said, whether I was in the
body or out the body, I don'tknow.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
I haven't had one where I felt I seen anything,
the only kind of experience Ihad and I mean, people can chalk
it up to what they want, but Ihad a friend who I had a dream
about, a friend of mine that Igrew up with and his mom was
sick in my dream and so it was.
You know how you have dreamsjust feel like you're really
there, so vivid.
So I'm sitting there and Istart praying in the dream and
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it's just like I'm going, going,going and next thing I know I'm
awake, wide awake, and can'tstop praying, and it doesn't
skip a beat from the words I'msaying in the dream literally
comes to where I'm saying it inreal life, praying over his mom
and his situation.
I didn't act on it, but fastforward.
His mom actually ended up beingsick, like in my dream, in real
(05:17):
life, but I didn't find it outtwo years later.
I didn't know that at the time,um, and I didn't even say
nothing to him, because his momis perfectly fine.
What am I going to saysomething to her for?
And I had just gotten saved, soit wasn't like I was as aware
of things now as back then.
But that's like the onlyencounter I can speak of, other
than the time I was bad-mouthingand, I'll be honest, I slipped
(05:41):
a few things to my mom andfussing her out In the house we
lived in.
It was a downstairs.
My mom asked me to get it.
I'm like you get it.
We got to get it for a lazyself and just going in and in.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I was probably about yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I was probably like 13-ish, 14-ish, walking up the
steps and I'm walking up thesteps.
It's dark, I can see, but it'sdark, but it's a shadow.
It's enough light from upstairsthat a shadow starts coming up
the side and I hear my namebeing moaned and I'm like,
probably, if it's 20 steps, I'mon the 17th one and I went from
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17 to the floor in .0 seconds,like it was no time, and I ran
in there with my mom.
That's the only two encounters Ican't explain.
Somebody might be like oh, itwas your shadow, but it was no
light.
It was coming from the oppositedirection, from around the
corner.
Of course, didn't see nothingwhen I went out there with my
mom, which now I'm a punk.
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My little five-foot-somethingmom has to go out there with me.
I know I heard something andseen something coming around
that corner.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Yeah, um, but needless to say, I changed the
way I talked to my mom afterthat um, I, I can't think of
nothing that specificallyrelates to this um, but I'm just
thinking like I, I believe thatit could happen.
I believe that he could seesomething.
I think there's scriptures thatsay certain people had visions,
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um, in the new testament, andseeing things that, um, normal
people didn't see.
Um, I had a, a book I wentthrough maybe two years ago.
It was a guy, I think his nameis john burke and he did this
book.
I think it's called imagine thegod of heaven and it was about
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he compiled a list of a bunch ofpeople who had near-death
experiences um, where it'salmost near-death experiences
isn't the best word, because alot of them were pronounced dead
for some 30 minutes, some hourand a half and the things that
he brought together that theyseen.
I mean, it was like even peoplegetting converted when they
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came back, like Muslims who,when they came back, believed in
Jesus, or you know like extremethings, came back, believed in
Jesus, or you know, like extremethings, and they all.
And when he compiled all thesepeople together, they all seen
very similar things.
They all seen a light whichthey described to be brighter
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than anything they ever seen,but not to where it blinds you
type thing, you know, or.
I can't remember all thespecific examples, but I believe
that I believe that it happens.
I believe that God could revealhimself to to people and show
people things and I believe thatit got in his grace.
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A lot of the people that ithappened to were people who were
unbelievers when they went inand said that they were told
they were given a choice orgiven a chance, you know, to
believe in him and that's at.
I believe God's got that typeof grace, that type of love, to
where you know when it's over, Imean I'm not, I'm not I'm gonna
(09:01):
say get saved now if you're not.
I wouldn't bank on it.
But I believe that, yeah, Ibelieve that it happens, I
believe that it could happen andhas happened.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Yeah, I agree it's wouldn't put it past God, he's
able to do that.
I was thinking, as Elder Chriswas talking, like I don't know
that I've ever had an experiencelike that.
I feel like I've probably onlyheard the Lord, not audibly, but
I've felt the Lord speak verystrongly like a voice, probably
only once in my life.
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And then there's been a fewtimes in prayer where I was
praying and it felt like 15minutes and it ended up being
like three hours.
Like there's been a few timeswhere that's happened, where I
feel like I was out a little bitlonger than I thought I was.
Like that's happening, you know, at night sometimes you're
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praying it's been a few yearsago, probably the last one that
happened and you wake up.
Yeah, I felt like I spent 15 to30 minutes and it's three or
four hours.
I felt that before and I feellike not, I haven't seen angelic
like big, you know, kind of thepictures, the seraphim that you
hear in Scripture.
(10:17):
But I feel like there's acouple of times in my life that
I entertained angels, like justwith an instance or with the
conversation, and I like thatfelt different than just a
normal.
I mean it was in human form,but just you felt like, okay,
that was something differentthan just a regular conversation
.
So that's the extent of myexperiences with it.
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I'm always jealous.
I'm not jealous, but I wouldlike to.
But I think it's the differencebetween Thomas and the other
disciples too.
Thomas was Jesus, went out ofhis way to show him scars and he
said blessed are you when youbelieve and you don't see, and
that's a reward and a blessingin that too.
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But I think there's alwayssomething in us that wants to
see.
But thank God, we can believewithout having to see, but it
can be a blessing as well, I'venever had like an explicit
encounter.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
I see the Father like I see Jesus and the Holy Ghost
is floating in the like.
I haven't had those encountersbut I am a dreamer.
I dream pretty vividly and,like Chris was saying, I've had
dreams that came true later orthings that I shouldn't have
known, and I felt that or Ithink it's called like word of
knowledge Like I'll meetsomebody on the street for the
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first time.
I'll just start asking themquestions, like I feel prompted
to ask them questions, and itturns into us praying together
because they're like I nevertold anybody, like that right,
and those things are scary.
In the moment when the HolySpirit starts working through
you and you're like, oh my gosh,this is a lot to handle but
definitely a lot of dreams forme.
I wake up.
I have a voice memo like folderin my phone where I wake up and
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I just start talking into thephone because I don't want to
forget the dreams that I'mhaving.
My grandpa at one time he wasfarming and got trapped
underneath the tractor and hesaid that you shouldn't be able
to lift the tractor off of youwhen it comes on top of you and
he said I was able to push itoff, but it felt like someone
(12:18):
was standing there helping melift it up.
That's awesome.
And he was like I know there wassomeone there, like I know it
in my know, like my five sensesare telling me somebody is
helping get this tractor off ofme.
But when I got up, no one wasthere.
And I do feel like there arethose moments and I think in my
Christian walk I think sometimes, well, if I'm not having word
(12:39):
and knowledge and seeing dreamsand seeing angels, I must not be
spiritual enough.
You know, I feel like that's atrap.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Yeah, yeah, I have just talking about, like you
know, spiritual things.
So like I have an odd.
So my mom's side of the familythey all seem to have stories of
like seeing angels, seeing Iguess what you would call ghosts
(13:09):
or spiritual beings or thattype of thing, that are mostly
positive.
My dad's side of the familyhave the opposite stories.
So where he grew up, you know,his dad had like witchcraft
books and things like that andthey have some stories of
demonic visitations or what theywould call a demon or a grim
(13:36):
reaper or you know these type ofthings and vivid experiences of
even physically being touched,know by these things.
And so, growing up, I'm hearing.
I'm hearing both these sidesand, without getting far into it
, I mean I've, I've experiencedsome of those things on both
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ends.
Um, sometimes I felt like likethe awareness wasn't there, and
then there was an awareness youknow what I mean of things that
were around.
So I feel like there's I mean Iknow there's another realm and
things happening that's a lotcloser than people realize it is
(14:23):
.
Yeah, it reminds me in theBible.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
I closer than people realize it is.
It reminds me of the Bible.
I can't remember who it is youall have to help me but there's
a story in the Bible about likethe word of God was coming to
one of the prophets and itcouldn't get there because it
was held up Daniel.
It was Daniel.
It was being held up in likethe big dogs, the arks.
Who was it?
Was it Gabriel or Michael?
(14:44):
One of them had to come downand help deliver the word and
message.
So the Bible is very clear thatthere is another realm out
there and there is somethinggoing on.
I think sometimes we can kindof get accustomed to our realm.
This is all that is around usand that person just has an
attitude.
Well, this thing is just acoincidence and the Bible is
like we don't battle againstflesh and blood, like there are
(15:09):
things that are out there.
But yeah, that was just one ofthe things that was trending
this week.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Another thing that was trending this week, speaking
of palaties and principalitiesand all this kind of stuff Vegas
Good transition Segway.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Segway king over here here.
Vegas now allows you To playUno At the casinos.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Let's go Question.
I didn't know this question wascoming, but do y'all play
Double Plus twos?
What is it I'm thinking?
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Draw twos, you stack draw twos or no.
Yeah, yeah, of course, 100%.
You have to.
You don't have to Draw two,though Some people try that when
you put two, draw twos.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Oh, you can do a draw four, but you can't do, just
because they put two, draw twos,do a draw four.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
But can you put down three number twos at the same
time?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's stacking.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
It's stacking, I do.
If you hit a draw two, PastorJason hits a draw two, and then
I hit a draw two.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Chris going to draw two.
He better go home.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
He better go home.
He got a draw two.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Yeah, but can you put down them?
If you have them all in yourhand, can you put them down?
Speaker 1 (16:16):
All at one time?
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yes, that's how I play.
It's not wise, but yes, yeahbecause you got to protect
yourself.
You got to protect yourself.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
You got to protect yourself because we all have one
that you're back to you.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Y'all just be making up rules in Uno man.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Thanks y'all.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Now, I was included in all of y'all.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
I'm going to tell a story okay, Growing up we were
big Uno people, okay, Big Unopeople.
And this might you know, Idon't care if people taste
anything anymore.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Edit people and this might you know.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
I don't, yeah, I don't care how people taste
anything anymore, so we're edit,edit, edit.
I am.
This is rj.
I am a white man, okay, and wegrew up playing uno and we
played what I would call theright way, and which is you put
down one card at a time and goto the next person Boring.
I went.
When I was nine years old.
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We moved to a new place.
My next door neighbor shout outTroy.
They were not a white familyand they were like do you play
Uno?
And I was like, yeah, I playUno.
When I tell you, I was likewhat game?
What game are these peopleplaying?
This was a completely differentgame and they were getting rid
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of cards left and right.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
I'm like what?
Speaker 3 (17:38):
That's the point of the game.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
We don't deal five cards when I play.
We deal like seven to ten cardsbecause we know they're going
to go quick.
You got to be able to stackthem and put them in there, all
that kind of stuff.
The only thing I don't tolerateis when you try to put a draw
four on a draw two.
That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
That is crazy Because it's not the same card Right
yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
So what were you going to say about the rules?
Because clearly you don't agreewith what we were saying here.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
No, I was just like.
I mean, I've done research onthis because there's a house
divided.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
He's one of those guys.
We're a house divided.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
The back of the box.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
And Google helps you out with what the true rules are
.
Y'all are playing a differentgame.
Y'all ought to rename itsomething other than Uno.
You play space.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yes, sir.
So you know well, maybe for usI'm actually.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I'm Chris and I am an African American, but we play
spades depending on where you go.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
It's house rules.
So whoever's house you're indetermines that the basis is the
same but it determines thelevel of.
Is it Joker, joker, deuce Ifyou play with the Deuce of
Diamond and all that.
So I just have chalked it up toUno.
If you're in my house, westacking.
I don't care what the back ofthe box say.
That gives it the fundamentals,but we stacking.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Now have y'all ever played?
It is funner that way.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I will say it's funner that way Than the stale
one card rule the back of thebox, mr Google over here.
But have y'all ever played openface Uno where you show your
cards?
Speaker 2 (19:08):
No, like you, lay them all out on the table.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
I have a four year old and a five year old.
When we play Uno, it's alwaysopen face.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
We all lay in our cards.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
They can't hold their cards in one hand so it's all
open face.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Do you take it easy on them or?
Speaker 4 (19:24):
do you just destroy them every possible time?
Character development yes, sir,not destroy, but we don't just.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
You're not just letting your kids win every game
you play.
Can I tell you something?
Rosetta's worse than I am.
Oh, she is.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Rosetta takes a lot of joy in beating her kids she
takes a lot of joy in.
I think, yeah, it's, it's, it'suh.
I've looked at her a time ortwo.
I was like, why are youenjoying this?
Speaker 3 (19:50):
much.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
This is a four-year-old girl.
Did you just be?
Why did you have to throw itdown so aggressively and talk so
much?
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Skip you back to me, skip you back to me.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Reverse back to me.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
And then they will start crying Like I didn't get a
turn and you go like oh well, Iused to tell my mom.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
I used to tell my mom I'd be like mom.
That's not fair.
She looked at me, dead in myeye, and she said the fair only
comes once a year.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Wow, I was like mom, that's tough.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Good job, tough Character development.
Speaking of characterdevelopment, did y'all see that
CEO get caught on the Jumbotronat the Coldplay concert Context?
So there's a CEO and his femalecounterpart, who's in HR I
guess they went on a little tripand nobody was supposed to know
(20:46):
they was on this little trip.
They end up going to theColdplay concert and at the
Coldplay concert they're showingall the couples in love and
they're all wrapped aroundBuddha swaying to the music, and
so Mr Coldplay puts them on thejumbotron.
As soon as that camera showstheir face, that man literally
ducks behind the banister andthe chairs and she turns around.
(21:08):
So Mr Coldplay man is likeeither they're shy or they're in
an affair, and he said it infront of tens of thousands of
people.
Right, it's cold, that is cold.
The internet takes it and run.
This man had to issue anapology.
He might probably face adivorce.
There's actually people inVegas.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Both of them are married.
They're both married.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
There's a Vegas line right now betting on if they're
going to get a divorce or not,and I think it's like at
$200,000.
So somebody's going to profitoff this.
But that was crazy.
The wife Go get half.
That is crazy, I know.
The Bible says doing things inthe dark Will bring it to the
light, but he didn't say it wasgoing to be on a jumbotron.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Jumbotron that's rough, but his apology was trash
, though he basically blamedthem For not allowing him to
give them consent To expose hisaffair.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
What you read his response.
He didn't even try to say wewere just team building.
Oh, they were like hugged upand stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
There was no denying.
No, you don't sway with yourboy like that you don't.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
It was like hands around his yeah around the waist
on some prom date.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Buddy was caught, buddy was done, buddy was done,
oh man.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
See, people haven't.
I'm not trying to give cheatingadvice, but going.
Have people not learned fromthese jumbotrons?
I've seen whole highlightvideos of people getting exposed
on j jumbotrons and they scanto them.
(22:47):
Like you don't know, there's athousand cameras around.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Let me tell you something about sin.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Mm.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Yes Sin will cloud your judgment.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Oh, that's this is, this is good sir, you feel me.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
It will be like all of a sudden, the simple things,
wisdom, understanding, knowledge, basic.
Oh, if I'm going to cheat viamy phone, I should probably not
leave my phone unlocked in frontof my kid, Like all that stuff
just goes out the window,because sin puts blinders on you
and it's a selfish reasoningthat you have and so I can't see
anything else.
(23:20):
So, yeah, he was enjoying hishigh life and his time not even
thinking and understanding.
I could get caught here,Because that's how sin works.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
And as soon as you get caught.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
sin leaves you and gives you guilt and condemnation
.
This is good.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
I didn't mean to go preachy on y'all, but as a man
who's sinned before sin will putblinders on you.
Buddy, you're right, you'reright, you're right, 100%.
And he had them on.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
He had them on Tight on his face.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Speaking of blinders, Whoever made that list?
No.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Give me a.
That's where I was going.
Somebody made this 100 Top 100basketball player list.
I think it's Bleach Report andthey put it out and it has some
people.
Somebody made this top 100basketball player list.
I think it's Bleach Report andthey put it out and it has some
people uptight.
I know y'all saw the list.
What do y'all think about thislist?
That's out.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
You see my shirt.
The list was right.
It was about one thing.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Yeah, at least the number one came through.
Air Jordan is better thanLeBron.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Okay, but LeBron was like, what was he two?
He was two, lebron was two.
Okay, I'm okay.
Like if you're talking about100 all time, for me LeBron
should be one.
But okay, jordan, you can puthim up there.
That's cool, you can put him upthere.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
That's like theologically making a statement
I believe in scripture.
I just don't want to declarethat Jesus is God.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
He had to go that deep.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Everything else that you say afterwards is built on a
faulty foundation, so invalidargument.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Top ten was Jordan, then Bron, then Kareem
Abdul-Jabbar, and that's whenthe list just fell off for me.
I was just all right, this listis going to be some baloney.
Four was Magic Johnson, fivewas Bill Russell.
We'll go to 10.
Shaquille at six, tim Duncan atseven Questionable for me.
Larry Bird at eight, wilt atnine and then Curry at 10, which
(25:24):
is diabolical.
To take Curry out anything,that's not top 5, pushing it top
3 for me, but top 5 wait, wherewas Kobe again?
11 11.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
That's why I was thinking he came he didn't even
make top 10, that's crazy,that's crazy top 10.
I really couldn't figure outwhat they were basing it off of.
It seemed to be all over theplace.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Names just seemed to be all over the place through
that list, Like I started from100 working down and then I just
kept passing people and I waslike, wait, wait, wait.
Was that person above thisperson?
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Like you mentioned Vince Carter.
Yeah, vince Carter was over.
Who was it?
Was it Iverson?
Well, he's way there.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Drastically a gap between Carter and Iverson.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
I think Iverson was like 30.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Iverson was like 30-something.
Then Nash was right belowIverson, which I wouldn't do,
but who was better than Carter.
A lot of people that I can'teven recall their names.
That's how bad it was.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yeah, the list was crazy.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
And then somebody put something in the group chat
about their top three.
Well, I was just doing anythingto exclude LeBron from my top
three.
So I was including Steph in thetop three and I was also
including Jordan as the top oneand then number two.
I mean we can have somediscussion.
I threw out Wilt.
The only reason I didn't sayKareem is because I think Kareem
(26:56):
the same reason that LeBron isin the conversation, is the same
reason that Kareem is in theconversation is longevity and
stats, although Kareem does haveabout the sky hook.
He's transformational to theleague because of the sky hook,
things like that.
But I went with Wilt as mynumber three.
So I went with Jordan, wilt andSteph as my top three.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Do you know how many people you had to exclude to put
Wilt that high?
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Yeah, I mean, I skipped over, shaq Skipped over.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Tim Duncan Ginobili.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Did you just throw out Ginobili?
Speaker 1 (27:35):
We're not going to act like Ginobili wasn't the
best point guard to ever live weare we're not going to act
because he wasn't.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
He was too high on the list.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Ginobili was not one of the best point guards.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
I was shocked by KD being that high, though he was
up at like 13.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Yeah, he was top two, he broke top 20 for sure, and I
was shocked by that.
Well, I mean, I guess he'sstill playing, but I think
Joker's probably a little higherthan 17.
He's going to be a littlehigher than 17.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
He's going to be At the end of his career.
Yeah, At the end of his career.
He might be the greatest bigman ever.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
I mean, where was Westbrook?
And I only ask that because, alot of people discredit
Westbrook and his accolades isridiculous.
The average of triple-double.
You put him up there with theJoker and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
But do you really think that Wilt couldn't play
today?
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Yeah, pre-pod conversation.
No, I don't think Wilt wouldsurvive in today's.
I don't think anybody from thatera would be able to score like
they did.
Well, first of all, Wilt wasplaying farmers and plumbers.
Let's just be honest, okay.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
The skill set JJ Redick honest.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Okay, the skill set, jj reddick.
The skill set wasn't there.
We are so much more, but he'sone of the people though he had.
He had the height.
Yes, he was known to be veryfast.
He jumped very high.
I mean, what do you?
Speaker 1 (28:59):
compare to who the irishmen that were standing out
there with him they also didn'thave.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
They didn't have like the training that they have.
The game is different.
He was dominant.
He was dominant during his timeperiod.
That was what the exposure thatwas.
That was what he was.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
You really have to go by like time period somewhat.
Yes, I agree, you can't fullyjust exclude.
Oh well, they play.
I mean, because 50 years fromnow they're probably going to do
that I'm going to say, oh,those guys couldn't play.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Why do you have steph curry so hot?
Speaker 2 (29:33):
yeah, I agree, yeah and I don't think people keep in
mind too that you just keep inmind his game back then.
But if you took that sameperson and brought him today,
he's gonna have the sametraining that the current people
have.
So what would that then looklike?
Speaker 3 (29:50):
He would look like Giannis is probably.
He's fast, he's tall, he'sstrong, he can jump really high,
I mean.
But probably with a littlebetter defense, more blocks,
more rebounds.
I mean you're talking about aguy who averaged 50 in a season.
Yes, okay, here's my A guy whothey told to stop scoring so
(30:14):
much and they changed the rulesand said he couldn't dunk
anymore.
I mean we're like it's adifferent level of domination
we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Yeah, because there was.
He set the standard of whatmodern basketball would be, and
they weren't ready for that.
He was way ahead of his time.
Wait, was he the one thatscored 100 points in?
Speaker 3 (30:32):
a game.
Yes, that'd be him.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Which questionable, by the way.
Do y'all really think heactually scored 100 points?
Yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Why would you think he didn't?
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Inflation.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Inflation, what?
Why would you think?
Speaker 3 (30:47):
he didn't.
Inflation, inflation, what?
I'm just reading his stats too.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
He began his career by averaging 37 points and 27
rebounds in the 59-60 season,winning Rookie of the Year and
MVP, and then, two seasons later, he averaged 50.4 points per
game.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
And probably 25 boards.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Yes, Against who Well ?
Speaker 2 (31:12):
what defense now?
Is so great, though, againstthe competition?
What was his?
Speaker 1 (31:15):
competition.
Bill Russell, that was later inhis career.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Yeah, that was super late, but still, what defense
now is so great?
You very rarely have teams thathave truly good defense right
now have you seen the ThompsonTwins?
Speaker 1 (31:31):
They ain't doing nothing with that man.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
The Thompson Twins have one of the best, and
they're not even on the sameteam.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
If you take anybody from that era and bring them up
here, they're going to getexposed on defense Because the
offensive power of today's NBAis so incredibly great, you will
be exposed.
If you take anybody from thisera and bring them back there,
their defense is so much moresuperior.
They're going to.
They're going to stop bill wilt.
They're going to stop them.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
I'm not denying the conversation about the era
that's.
That's not I.
So you're saying that the onlypeople that should be in the top
10 are people that in the lasttwo eras?
Speaker 1 (32:07):
I'm saying building an all-time list is extremely
difficult, I agree.
Because you're including somany eras and it's just tough to
put people that high.
Now, if we were to do a listbased on eras, then I feel like
we could have that conversation.
I feel like that's a better wayto articulate greatness.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
Now I know I'm a LeBron hater and I'm well-known
for that, and I don't deny that,but I do want to make a valid
statement, I think, a reasonablestatement, based on what you
just said.
That's really one of thereasons that I don't put LeBron
as high as most people do isbecause I don't think he has
even been the most dominantperson in his era.
(32:47):
Stealth has been just asdominant, if not more dominant
than he has in his own era.
The reason Michael Jordan willare named as high as they are is
because there was no rival tothem during their era.
There was for they.
They won whatever was faced infront of them.
(33:07):
Lebron has had competition andhe's also lost to that
competition and given up more tosomeone in his same era.
Now, those that's, I think,comparing apples to apples, and
I would say to add on to thisconversation I enjoy so very
much.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Insult to injury.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Come on, this is when we need the text messages.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
I would say from the time LeBron got in the league
until 2010,.
2011,.
Kobe was the best player in theNBA, I think.
After that it switched up.
You got some Derrick Rose, yougot some KD as far as MVPs and
stuff go.
Then I'll say LeBron scatteredonce or twice through there and
(33:52):
around 2015, steph took over andin my opinion, from that time
until well, he just won prettymuch by himself two years ago.
So until present day, I wouldsay you know, I mean I'd say the
Joker probably the best playerin the NBA now maybe, but I'd
say I'd still say it's Stephfrom then.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Who's the all-time scoring leader?
Come on, that's just a question.
I don't know.
Okay, anybody here knowall-time scoring leader.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
LeBron James.
How many years did it take himto do that?
Speaker 3 (34:29):
He was blessed with great health.
Okay, he was blessed with greathealth.
A lot of these players that hepassed.
They weren't able to play thatmany years.
They had unfortunate injuries.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Okay, let's talk about the years.
Who has the most all-NBAfirst-team?
Speaker 2 (34:46):
selections, and how many years though, you still got
his longevity of 13.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
But is it?
Look how long he's been in theleague.
He has 13.
Exactly, he has 13.
He's been in the league for 22years.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
That's a long time brother.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Dominant, you said dominant.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
We're talking about domination here.
Okay, come on, bro.
I think he was consistentlyreally good.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Oh my, Alright, we're changing the subject because
that's egregious.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
I think he was consistently really good, I
think even on his own teams.
I'm not sure.
I mean, does he win withoutDwayne Wade being the actual
game time score?
You know like.
Does he win without Dwayne Wadebeing the actual game time
score?
You know like, does he winwithout Kyrie taking over in the
fourth quarters?
Speaker 1 (35:33):
No, who got him?
Speaker 3 (35:34):
there.
Okay, anybody can get you tothe dance.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Why didn't they do it before he got there?
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Who didn't do it before, because Miami had one I
said he was really good.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
They did have one.
What was Dwayne playing?
Speaker 2 (35:44):
But me saying Dwayne playing.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
But me saying Dwayne, yes, dwayne had one before he
got there.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Yes, in Miami.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Yes, yeah with Shaq 06, I think, or 506.
Shout out to Dwayne.
Dwayne was the first one out ofthat trio.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Definitely.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Not Kyrie.
Kyrie came much later.
He's not in with that.
Kyrie needed Braun.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Yeah, which I believe makes the point.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
I have Shaq in my top five.
That's decent.
I like that.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Let's just go from 95 to present day.
Who is your top five?
Speaker 1 (36:18):
95 to present day.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Is this too long?
Speaker 1 (36:21):
It's our podcast.
We do what we want.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
That's right.
Y'all can skip this part.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
I gotta go in no particular order.
I gotta go Braun, steph Russell.
These last two are going to betough.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Russell Westbrook.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Westbrook Most triple doubles of all time.
Come on, shaq, shaq.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Kobe Okay, he may top five.
I like that.
Are we not counting Jordan?
I know I said 95, but you know.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Oh, Jordan got some at the 95, so you can count.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Yeah, okay, oh no, then I got to take out Russell
and put Jordan.
I forgot about it.
I forgot about him.
Speaking of stats, let's talkabout the greatest singer of all
time.
Justin Bieber just released hisnew album.
Justin Bieber is the greatestmale singer of all time.
(37:23):
Argue with your mom.
He just dropped a new album andon this album he plays a lot to
his faith.
Okay, the pod mood is gonebecause of what I said.
We just need to go ahead andaddress the elephant in the room
.
Name a better artist maleartist than Justin Bieber.
I'll wait.
Name a better artist maleartist than Justin Bieber.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
I'll wait.
I'm not about to go secular onthis, so I'm just going to let
you keep talking, but there'squite a few better than Justin.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Bieber, are you saying like male singer or like
pop artist, or are you justsaying just?
Speaker 1 (37:57):
in general, in general Holistic artist Name one
.
There is one that you can namethat would rival him.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
So we're saying above Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Above Usher, no, definitely above Usher.
I think Mike, jack and JB mightbe neck and neck.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
You just call him Mike Jack.
Mike Jack MJ.
Come on, yeah, mike Jack, Ijust call him Mike Jack.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Mike Jack MJ.
Come on, yeah, mike Jack, Iknow him as Mike Jack, that's
why you think Justin Bieber's upthere.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
And also why you believe LeBron James is up there
too.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
JB and LeBron.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Did you have their?
Speaker 3 (38:37):
posters in your room growing up.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
No, I didn't.
But we're not going to act likeJB wasn't doing world tours at
13.
I mean, yeah, we ain't going toact like he was doing world
tours at 11.
That he hasn't had a bad.
Well, he had one bad album, butlike he can go on a world tour
whenever he wants to.
We're talking about longevity.
We're talking about constantlycreating hits, putting out the
(38:59):
music out there.
Usher's retired.
Chris Brown needs to retire.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Mike Jack Usher is still in residencies.
Yeah, he's doing residencies.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
But he's still active what's?
Speaker 3 (39:13):
a residency to a world tour.
What are?
Speaker 1 (39:15):
we talking about.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Handing out cherries.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
That man goes viral for everything but music so does
justin bieber.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Yeah, I mean, he just recently went viral, for you
know whatever and then he dropsan album.
Yeah and let's just let's talkabout a guy who pretends to be
christian.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Wow, okay, okay, okay .
So here's the thing no on onhis album.
No, no, let's talk about it onhis album I'm kidding justin the
very justin if you want tosponsor the podcast.
That's what he's about to sayon his album.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
He, he talks about god, except that rj on one.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Rj on one today, by the way, still waiting for
somebody to say a greater artistthan JB, but on his album.
The very last song on his albumis Marvin Winans singing you
came from heaven to show the way, and I guess he recorded it.
He went to one of the gospelthings and he put it out there
(40:23):
All throughout the album.
He's giving glory to God, he'stalking about his faith and all
this kind of stuff.
There's little excerpts allthroughout the album.
It's also alongside a littlebit of non-Christian values.
Some of the features, mostnotably Miss Red.
She's on the album.
She's gospel right.
(40:45):
No, missing.
You're missing glorilla, notglorilla oh, oh, sexy red sexy
red gotcha.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
They do not all look alike rj so she's also on the
album I.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
I put them in the same category.
They are my brain puts them inthe people I don't listen to but
have oddly interesting voices.
I don't know they do.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
They're very unique artists.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Unique.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
So you have JB talking about God, giving glory
to God, calling him the mosthigh on his album, talking about
the gospel kind of arcunderneath songs and stuff, but
then he's also talking aboutthings that's not so Christian
values, and it's a littlelustful, it's a little sultry
and it's all these things and Ithink it's an interesting mix of
(41:35):
where millennials and Gen Z'sare right now, where it's a
little bit of both.
It's Jesus is spiritual, buthe's not my savior.
Right, right, right.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
You feel me.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
I like the gospel as an idea, but I necessarily don't
want to follow it.
Is he Lord?
Is he Lord?
So that's one thing.
I was listening to a couplelike Ruslan and a couple other
people kind of talk about thisand I think that some people are
, you know, raising all hellfireagainst JB, being like how can
you talk about Jesus when you'realso talking about sex on your
(42:10):
album?
And other people are likepraising how he's Jesus curious,
and we're not going to act likehe hasn't been going to church
and he doesn't have a pastorthat he goes to and all this
kind of stuff.
But then you put out a body ofwork that's supposed to
represent you and where you arein your life right now, and it's
lustful and faithful at thesame time, If I was a singer,
(42:33):
which I am not.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
I'm also not an NBA player, but I have opinions on
these things.
A player, but I have opinionson these things.
Okay, um, I would say, if youare a believer and you are a
follow of the Lord Jesus Christand you feel like part of your
mission is to express your faithand the gospel and share that,
(42:59):
then you probably wouldn't wantto put out anything to bring a
reproach on, possibly, the namethe Lord Jesus and and the
things that you're trying to getacross.
You could actually pull the rugup under your own message by
your next song being aboutsomething completely different
(43:22):
than the one before.
I appreciate all.
I mean, I appreciate I like art,I like I'm into a bunch of
different things.
So I'm not gonna say I won'tlisten to anything that doesn't
explicitly proclaim jesus,because I have and and I will.
Um, but just as I don't know, Idon't know, I don't know where
(43:44):
the line is and I think we mayhave talked about this before
I've always been interested inthis.
Like it was kind of like doy'all remember, are y'all into
like Christian hip-hop stuff Ahundred percent?
So like when Lecrae had histhing right, and like in the
beginning it was very explicitgospel yes, and it was like he
(44:06):
used to talk about walkingaround with his John MacArthur.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, very, rest inpeace.
Very explicit.
And then he went through almostlike a transformation.
Then his music he was like no,I just do hip hop, you know,
type of thing, and it was withdifferent artists and different
(44:27):
things and but he would say nowthat that wasn't the best part
of him.
Yeah, he would say he was goingthrough something.
And listening to him in recentyears and his music has changed
back closer to explicit, christ,honoring, um, you know, uh, art
(44:51):
, and I think that that's a goodpicture of I just think you're
what, what comes out of theabundance of the heart.
The mouth speaks.
I think you, you'll, what comesout of you and a lot of people.
That's probably where jb is.
He's, he's, he must be inbetween.
Yeah, thank dylan.
You know, I imagine I can'timagine having that type of fame
(45:13):
as a pre-teen.
Yes, crazy, having you knowpeople screaming your name and
chanting and everybody followingyou all the time and everything
you do is under the light.
So it's like I don't know whatthat feels like and I don't want
to know what that feels like.
I don't ever want that type offame.
Not that I would get it.
(45:34):
I'm not that good looking andnot that great of an artist.
But I don't know, I don't know,I don't know.
But I pray for him.
I hope that he continues togrow in his faith and I hope he
puts out more and more Christexalting music.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Trying to find the words Cause.
So nobody's perfect.
Everybody has their flaws andtheir issues.
And just because you're goingthrough something don't mean
that you can't promote Christwhen you're going through
something.
Don't mean that you can'tpromote Christ when you're going
through a certain situation orscenario.
I think the biggest issue is howare you talking about your
shortcomings?
Like if we were having aconversation, or if I was an
(46:13):
artist and I was talking aboutChrist, but I was being
transparent and real, whichnowadays, is what they want, and
I'm being actually open andhonest.
I'm not trying to act like oh,my life is perfect because I
have Christ, I've doneeverything right, I've done all
this.
But when I talk about myshortcomings, I'm not promoting
nor condoning you to do it.
When I'm telling you about it,I'm telling you how far it's
pulled me from Christ, not aboutglorifying, chasing women or
(46:37):
having all these women in mypast.
I'm actually talking about itbecause I'm ashamed and I'm
trying to tell you that there'sno glory in that Verse me
singing to try to encourage youto do the same or to say you're
okay.
And even if it is a okay, it'snot an okay because you're doing
it.
It's an okay, christ stillloves you.
Let's get it corrected.
He's not condemned you, but letit be a conviction in you.
(46:59):
So that's my stance on thatkind of stuff.
I haven't heard the album so Idon't really know which way he's
coming or how he's trying to doit.
It may just be a confessionsthing and he's putting it out
there which, like RJ said, I'venever been in that level of fame
.
And when you're at that levelpeople can take what you say as
gospel and they shouldn't.
But we live in a world thatthey love the messenger more
(47:23):
than the, the actual person thatgave them the message and the
creator of it.
And that's even in the churchitself, where you have like 100
gospel artists and stuff likethat.
They hold on more to what theysing about than actual
scriptures themselves.
Um, but that's kind of my take,like no judgment on him because
, like I said, I haven't thealbum, but that is my view on
those kind of things.
(47:44):
As I've grown, as I've gottenolder, there was a day and time
where I'm like, yeah, I went tochurch and then I went and did
this and it was cool to be onboth platforms, but I was trying
to please both worlds.
But when I really started tomake the decision now it's like,
okay, that's not cool.
I can't be over here and overhere there's an actual division,
a divide between this andthere's a standard.
(48:06):
I think a lot of people try toadjust the standard of God based
off the people they listen toor they like, and now based off
how successful they are, whattheir walk looks like.
If I can at least get to aPastor Jason's walk I don't know
all his things he's goingthrough If I can get to Isaiah's
walk I don't know all histhings he's going through If I
can get to Isaiah's walk, or ifI can get to this person's walk,
then I'm good.
That's not the standard.
The standard is Christ and thescriptures.
(48:27):
So I mean, in a nutshell,that's kind of my view on it.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
Yeah, I think if we remove JB and I think a lot of
people in my generation havethis good energy versus
godliness factor where this goodenergy versus godliness factor,
where I really like the goodenergy of the church, I like the
good energy of Christ, that'sgood.
I like the good energy of theBible, I like the idea of doing
the performative things, it'sreally good energy.
It makes me feel good when Ilisten to Christian music.
(48:52):
I listen to K-Love Radio.
You know what I mean.
But good energy doesn't get youobedience.
You know what I mean obedience.
You know what I mean, and so Ifall into it my own self.
Where I feel like this is itfeels really good to listen to
this while I'm in the car andI'm going to the place that
would not glorify God.
It feels really good here and Isee that duality.
(49:14):
I feel like, as you were saying, as you draw closer to God
these other good energy stuff orstuff that just feels good, it
will fall away.
And it's very hard to take mydouble life to the throne room
of heaven if I'm actuallyspending time there.
Speaker 4 (49:36):
You guys have given great thoughts on it.
I'll take it.
I think Elder Chris's point wasspot on.
Most of us will never be inthat position where we have that
type of pressure, as you guyshave stated.
So I think most of ourconversation should be centered
around how we look at thesepeople, how we view these people
, how we receive from thesepeople, meaning that
(49:58):
entertainment should not be ourplace where we get our doctrine
from and our theology.
And we need a church, we needpastors, we need people, we need
accountability in our world.
And will there be weak peoplethat are influenced by fame and
(50:19):
popularity?
Yes, but never let it be thetrue Christians who are,
although it may be recreation orentertainment from them.
Let's get our idea of whatChrist-honoring life is from
people that are in our world,people that are around us,
churches that we're planted in,pastors and leaders and elders
(50:42):
that speak into our life on aconsistent basis.
What you hear on the radioshould not be formational when
it comes to your walk with theLord.
And then I agree with you guys,and the reason I say that it
should not be formational for usis because I pray for Justin.
I pray that his conversion istrue.
(51:03):
I pray that he continues tojourney and draw closer to the
Lord, but I don't trust his walkwith the Lord enough to allow
his walk with the Lord toinfluence my walk with the Lord,
and I think that's kind of thething.
That's his own personal thing.
He has a lot of influence.
If I had his ear and I was ableto speak some things into his
(51:30):
life, maybe I would take thatopportunity to more overtly
remove from some of the thingsthat are contaminating.
But since I don't have that, myencouragement is to all those
who do listen and people withinthe body of Christ.
It is entertainment.
He's got a lot of demands onhim, a lot of pressure from him
from a lot of different ways,and that should never be good or
(51:50):
bad effect.
The way that you see Jesus, theway that you're walking in your
walk with the Lord, Let that beat a much more firm foundation.
That's why I think when PaulNew Testament writers Paul
included Peter as well givesinstruction to leaders within
the body of Christ, theirexpectations, their expectations
(52:11):
like above reproach and to livea life of hospitality, and why
Scripture puts so muchresponsibility on leadership is
because they're supposed to bethe ones that are influencing
the flock, and I pray.
I miss the moments when I missit, when gray-haired people were
the people that wereinfluencing next generation, not
(52:33):
people within our owngeneration.
That was influencing us,because they're just trying to
figure it out too, Does that?
Speaker 1 (52:40):
make sense at all.
Yes, sir, yes, sir, Me andWifey speaking of that.
I'm going to open the Biblereal quick.
Don't open it Me and Wifey.
I love what you guys are sayingof.
You know we don't take thepeople around us as the standard
of the Christian walk or how weshould look.
So me and Wifey were talkingand we went to Amos.
So me and wifey were talkingand we went to Amos.
(53:00):
When's the last time you hearda sermon out of the book of Amos
.
Amos 7 talks about the plumbline, and I love this Old
(53:25):
Testament vision that Amos ishaving about the standard that
we are subjected to.
So in Amos 7, verse 7, thus heshowed me.
Behold, the Lord stood on thewall made with a plumb line,
with the plumb line in his hand.
So for those of you who don'tknow, a plumb line is like a
string with a weight on it andyou place it up against the wall
to see how crooked the wall is.
Now, the thing about a plumbline is that it will always be
straight.
Always, no matter the height,no matter how long the string is
(53:45):
, it will always be straight.
You can tell that the wall isnot straight, not based on the
wall, but based on the plumbline, and you usually dangle the
plumb line off the side of thebuilding or you nail it too.
To figure it out, thisscripture right here says the
plumb line is measured in hishand.
Thus he showed me.
(54:06):
Behold, the Lord stood on thewall made with a plumb line,
with a plumb line in his hand,and the Lord said to me Amos,
what do you see?
And I said a plumb line.
Then the Lord said behold, I amsetting the plumb line in the
midst of my people of Israel.
Then he gets into judgment.
I in the midst of my people ofIsrael.
Then he gets into judgment Iwill not pass by them anymore.
The high places of Isaac shallbe desolate and the sanctuaries
of Israel shall be made waste,and I will rise the sword
(54:32):
against the house of Jeroboam.
So he starts giving judgment.
And I think this right here isconvicting to me personally,
because I think I measure myselfagainst other people, I measure
myself against the past, Imeasure the self against things
that make me feel good aboutmyself, or I feel like you know
what I'm actually doing prettygood in life.
Then I read Amos 7, and he'slike I'm the one that's holding
the plumb line.
The plumb line is in my handand I am the standard.
Therefore, you should belooking at me, not the
(54:56):
influences around you.
And I think that ties exactlywhat you guys are saying of we
don't look to other peoplearound you, and I think that
ties exactly what you guys aresaying of we don't look to other
people, we only look to thestandard.
And guess what?
Everybody is crooked againstthat plumb line that he has in
his hand.
Speaker 3 (55:09):
There is none good, no, not one.
Amen, amen, except the LordJesus Christ.
Benedict is out.
Speaker 1 (55:21):
RJ Benedict is out.
Speaker 3 (55:22):
That's why he had to come and live a perfect life
that we couldn't live.
Speaker 1 (55:27):
Amen.
Sometimes I'll be seeing apreacher in RJ.
It's in there.
Speaker 4 (55:33):
If he wanted to sneak out, he don't even need a
podium.
Speaker 1 (55:39):
Yeah, Jonah said the same thing.
Speaker 4 (55:42):
And that's the end of the podcast.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
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