January 7, 2025 • 52 mins
Ever wondered how colour can transform your living space into a vibrant reflection of your personality? Discover the secrets with the incredibly talented Evie Kemp, as she shares her journey from childhood inspirations to embracing maximalism in home design. Evie’s new book MUCH, is a radiant celebration of colour and bold choices, guiding you to break free from the confines of minimalism. Together, we explore how colour can evoke joy and how personal experiences shape our design preferences, creating homes that truly resonate with who we are.
Join us for a lively conversation about the emotional power of colour and the courage to step away from neutral tones. Evie reveals how even a simple change, like painting a room yellow, can bring unexpected happiness. We question the longevity of white interiors and champion the idea of choosing colours that make you feel good. This episode is filled with humour, personal anecdotes, and invaluable insights that encourage you to experiment with your space and find what truly sparks joy.
From creative mishaps to secondhand shopping adventures, Evie’s passion for interior design shines through as she discusses the evolving nature of home decor. Learn about transforming spaces to suit different life stages and the connection between personal fashion and interior style. With insights into building confidence in your own unique style, this episode is a treasure trove of inspiration for anyone looking to craft a home that tells their own story. Tune in and let Evie inspire you to embrace maximalism and create your own colourful sanctuary.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Design Anatomy, the interior design
podcast hosted by friends andfellow designers.
Me, lauren Li.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
And me, Bree Banfield , with some amazing guests along
the way.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
We're here to break down everything from current
trends to timeless style.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
With a shared passion for joyful, colour-filled and
lived-in spaces.
We're excited to share ourinsights and inspiration with
you.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
In this engaging conversation, brie and I chat
with Evie Kemp about her journeyas a multifaceted creative, her
new book on maximalism and theimportance of colour and
personal expression in interiordesign.
Evie has such a vibrantpersonality and she is so fun to
talk to, isn't she, brie?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yes, she is absolutely fabulous.
We explore that shift fromminimalism to maximalism and the
impact of our childhoodexperiences on design
preferences and the confidenceneeded to embrace one's unique
style.
Evie shares insights on thefunction of spaces, learning
from design mistakes and thetransformative power of colour
(01:02):
in creating joyful environments.
She also delves into her mentalhealth strategies and the
significance of settingboundaries in life and work, and
I love that she was so open andsharing about that too.
It's so important.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
It really is.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I appreciate her a lot and we just have some really
good laughs too, always, andwhile we're here, just a quick
reminder to have a look in theshow notes for links to our
other work.
I've got a link there to signup for our newsletter so you can
be across upcoming designcourses and trendy information.
(01:38):
So jump in and sign up for that.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
So cool Bree, so cool Bree.
And whilst I've got you, justbefore we start, this year in
the Design Society, we arehaving a mastermind group for
emerging designers and one formore established designers.
So if you wanted to share andjust learn things with a really
small group of like-mindeddesigners, it's going to be
(02:01):
fantastic.
So we're working on Instagramthings as well.
So, again, have a look in theshow notes.
Enough about that, let's divein, shall we Brie?
Let's do it.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
So hi, evie, I know Evie.
I can't even think how long agoit would have been that we met,
but Evie does a lot of workwith Dulux in New Zealand and
I've been very fortunate to beable to go over to New Zealand
and that's when I met Evie andobviously we had some
similarities in terms of thefact that we really love colour
(02:34):
and pattern and all of that sortof thing, so we connected quite
easily.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Well, you were my design.
That's for the colour forecast.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
So that was like.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I was going to say say, was that the first time we
met?
Fangirl moment for me, I was soexcited to meet you.
And then you were wearing um,the fabric I designed for micah,
who are a new zealand clothinglabel who sadly closed now.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, I wanted to.
I wanted to wear something thatum was a new ze Zealand brand
for that, so it was for thelaunch of the dulex forecast
over there and, yeah, and it wasyour design as well, and then
you were wearing the same designin it.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
I think, yes, that's right of course I'm pretty
shameless.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I'm kind of always wearing it as you should as you
should.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I love that.
I love all of them.
I actually really love thatbrand.
I need to.
I've got.
I did end up buying, so thatone I loaned.
I did end up buying a couple ofpieces that, um, kind of you
know, stay in the in thewardrobe, because they're just
those pieces that you kind ofkeep forever, like they're
really classic sort of cuts aswell, like they're not sort of
(03:45):
things that go out of date.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
No, they're quite unique kind of cuts, aren't they
?
So I'm kind of hoping I'll keepmine forever, but we'll see how
well they last when I thrashthem.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
So that's how I know, Evie.
And when Lauren and I weretalking about some topics for
the podcast and maximalism cameup, I went wow, there's only one
person I would want to talkabout that.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
What an honour.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
And Lauren's really just met you before Just by
Instagram, yeah just yeah, allof your cool videos and reels
and beautiful imagery, it's likeso immersive.
And I have just been flippingthrough your book and I
absolutely love it and the words.
I love what you're saying, soI'm really excited for this chat
(04:37):
.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Oh well, thank you.
It's so much fun to be here I'mvery excited about the whole
Design Anatomy podcast and justgetting more in my ears yeah,
sorry, hang on a minute.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Um, I've got one child jumping in and
interrupting me.
Just sorry, two seconds, miller.
I don't know what that was.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Now I'm getting that life.
That's real life.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Sorry, I just need to go close my jaw.
Absolutely, we'll have to editthat out.
True sex.
You're right to see me tryingto get out of my Do you have
kids, Lauren?
Speaker 1 (05:17):
I do.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
It's school holidays here.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
So they're yeah, 11, 10 and 2.
Oh, cute.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
No, I just have pets.
I have dogs and cats.
They don't have school holidays.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Cute.
I could hear some birdschirping in the background.
Is that just nature?
It's just nature.
It's not my birds, no, it'sjust New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Yeah, I'm actually.
I'm at my studio, in my studiospace, and it's quite nice.
There's lots of trees outside,so, yeah, there's a bit of bird
twittering, but hopefully.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Yeah, isn't it, it's a lovely sunny day here.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
It really feels like spring, so hopefully it sticks
around.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Yeah.
Sorry about that so yeah, Ihave loved being immersed in
your Instagram world, so I guessI'm kind of curious, like what
do you do, like, what do you getup to?
Speaker 3 (06:13):
That's a very good question and one I always find
really hard to answer.
I pretty much go with that.
I'm a multi-faceted creative,so everything I do comes back to
color and pattern, and soobviously that ties in a lot
with home and interiors.
But I do textile design,graphic design, I do a lot of
(06:33):
DIY and craft kind of content.
So I do a lot of contentcreation.
That's a big part of my kind ofpaid work and yeah, and then I
do other work for brands, kindof in the sort of textile design
or, um, as a dulex ambassador,uh, so it it kind of covers
everything.
But everything I do comes backto that color, that pattern,
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maximalism, um, and expressingyourself through those things
and now you know.
I know.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Thank you for the prompt there because I did
forget that and I guess it'sworth telling us about the book
and how that's come about andall of that stuff that you've
been up to creating a book thisyear has been pretty much taken
up with creating my book Much.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
It's called Much, a Maximus Guide to a Creative Home
, and it's being.
It's officially out on the 17thof October and it's so soon.
And I've actually just got allmy pre-ordered copies have just
turned up today.
How exciting.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
That cover looks so exciting that is just going to
pop on the shelves, isn't it?
It's gorgeous.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
It's beautiful, that red metallic font.
Yeah, it's just going to pop onthe shelves, isn't it?
Speaker 3 (07:49):
it's gorgeous, I love that beautiful that red
metallic font and yeah, it'svery extra going with the foil
font, but it felt, you know, itjust had to kind of, why not
just like everything?
Lean into it much, yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I think, much the whole idea behind.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Much is kind of my whole philosophy of that you've
got a design for you and that,no matter how or where you live,
you can express yourselfthrough your home and bring
confidence and joy to your lifethrough those things.
So that's really what much isall about.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, I love that about?
Speaker 3 (08:28):
yeah, so it's the story of my home and my journey
in interiors, but I really wantto inspire people to do it their
own way.
So, yeah, it's really excitingto have it out in the world
nearly, yes, so close?
Yeah, it'll be out possiblywhen this is out.
So yeah, I love how you've gotum.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
there is a bit of an encouragement for people to do
it yourself, do it themselves,and there are great tips on how
to mix color and pattern.
And I was just having a flipthrough it and it said
maximalists are born, not made.
Can you just talk on that?
Speaker 3 (09:04):
I thought that was really interesting, that all of
us as kids we're kind of drawnto things.
You know, it's collecting rocks, it's having a favorite color
and being really outspoken andpassionate about it.
And I think if you're alwaysdrawn to kind of the magic and
objects and the meaning objects,then then there'll always be
something that holds, you know,importance for you and can be a
(09:29):
source of energy for you.
So I think that's what I meanby that.
Yeah, I love that so much, veryclever.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah, and if you think about you know, as a child
, you know, when you're sittingat your little craft table or
whatever, at child care or athome, you've got a whole rainbow
of crayons and you're grabbingthe colors that just you know.
There's no thought behind it,it's just whatever you're
grabbing it, the the colorsavailable.
(09:58):
They're not shades of gray andblack and white.
So what happens there?
Speaker 3 (10:03):
there, some of it's mummies are probably trying
Replace the grey and white.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
That's right, it's a neutral palette.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
The beige brigade Aesthetic mums, I think they're
called.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Yeah, Aesthetic mums yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
But it feels like a whole movement about it, doesn't
it?
At least in Western culture, itis somehow that love of colour.
To be an adult, you feel likeyou have to put that aside.
What happens there?
Like who said, and I think thatyou know there's such a gap in
(10:40):
the market, at least in books,for your book, because it just
embraces that colour and it issomething that we feel is kind
of can be instinctive, can't it?
But we feel like there arethese rules somehow, that to be
an adult and I think you put itin your book.
It's well.
We need to buy the white flatpack entertainment unit and the
(11:04):
gray sofa.
That's what it looks like to bean adult.
I thought that was really funny, but it actually is quite true.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Yeah, I think there's an idea with everything that we
do isn't there Like, oh, butI'm a grown up, so therefore
this is a choice I'm going tomake about what haircut I get
and what clothes I wear and whatthings I buy for the house, and
then I think, with decorating,it's seen as such a big
investment.
All people must see it as anunchangeable thing that they
(11:32):
think I've got to buy a couch.
What will, what will I stillfeel okay about in 10 years?
Speaker 2 (11:39):
it might be this gray couch yeah, it kind of brings
up all um, I think it's a fearthing.
So when you're younger, you'rea bit fearless, right, and so
you and also your confidencecomes from being a bit fearless.
And then, as you get older, youget scared about things.
So there might not be, you know, really scared things that
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could literally be.
This is an investment.
I have to spend this much moneyon it.
It needs to be.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I need to like it for this long so it becomes sort of
fear-based decisions, ratherthan if we've got something
we've spent a few thousanddollars on and someone comes
around our house and says, oh,oh, you know, expresses that
they don't love it, that then itimpacts how we feel about that
thing, and then we think, well,I'm stuck with it now, so let's
(12:26):
just play it safe, and it's.
It's the marmite theory of youknow, nobody loves it, then
nobody hates it.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Instead, for those of , for those listening that don't
know oh, yeah, sorry, likevegemite it's Vegemite.
It's kind of the NZ slash UKVegemite.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it'smore of a.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
UK saying to say like it's good to be Marmite and
that's kind of to be divisive,so it's better to be sort of
strongly loved or hated, ratherthan to always be sort of in the
middle and nobody has strongfeelings about you either way.
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
I'm on the pro-mite thing, oh yeah, I like pro-mite,
so I'm just marching to thebeat of my own drum, I love it.
It's so much better thanVegemite.
What's?
Speaker 3 (13:18):
pro-mite made from though Controversial.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
I know, I know I'm going to get cancelled for that.
What's Pro-Mite made from you?
Speaker 3 (13:26):
might.
I mean honestly, they all kindof taste the same to me Same
stuff.
It's salty with a bit of butter.
Same but different it's so muchbetter, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
I'm marching to the beat of my own drum on that one
and I think that's you know Ilove the point.
But yeah, I love.
I love what you say, whatyou're saying, because you know
(13:57):
when you're thinking about beingan adult and you know making
those big investment choices onthe sofa that you're literally
going to sit on every single day.
I understand why so many peoplechoose grey, but how does that
make you feel?
It just makes you feeldepressed.
Well, maybe that's a bit itwould make me feel depressed too
.
It makes me feel nothing.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Versus coming home to like a yellow couch and being
like.
I love this.
Oh my gosh, Every time I see it, I love it, and you know, and
you probably won't tire of itlike you think you will.
I think we kind of fed thatidea.
It'll be interesting to hearyour thoughts on that.
Brie, with trend forecastingthat it's people sort of got it
in their head that they're goingto go off things like that.
(14:37):
But if you truly love something, you'll kind of adapt it with
the trends.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
That's what I think too.
I mean, obviously our tastesstill change, but I think
choosing something that you arereally, I guess, attracted to,
that you love, that gives you agood feeling, like no matter
what that good feeling is, isalways going to be better than
(15:05):
choosing something that sort ofticks a box, that, yeah, that
you feel nothing about.
Because even the feelingnothing about something to me is
sort of a little bit negativein a way, like that's not, it's
not positive to feel nothing.
Surely, I don't think it is.
I think the trend thing is, likeyou know, we always talk about
how your trends exist, whetherwe want them to or not, or
whether you believe in them ornot, whether they're a real
(15:27):
thing, um, or whether you followthem.
But what I always say when Italk about, um, why I love
working on trends, is I want toinspire people just to think
outside of the box and actuallyfind the stuff that they love,
that they hadn't realized theylove sometimes until they see it
.
Or that particular combination,or that example of you know I
(15:50):
thought I loved, you know, green.
Wow, now I've seen that greenroom, I realize how much I love
it and it looks amazing and Ithink I could do that.
So it's kind of about likegiving more confidence to people
to do what makes them happy.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
I love that, I love that.
I love that so much.
And that just made me think ofthere was one year in the colour
forecast and, in New Zealand atleast, used a colour called
Manaya I'm not sure what theAustralian equivalent would be
and it was a really kind ofgolden yellow and I painted the
wall.
Was it a dining room?
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yes, yeah, that's actually one of my favourite
shots actually, yes, yeah.
Yes, yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Did it have a red dining chair?
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Yeah, we will put that up on the YouTube.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
If you're watching on YouTube, you'll see it.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
But that is in my brain too.
That's funny, isn't it?
Yeah, yeah, it's one of myfavorites over the years, and
I'd always been really not ayellow person until that point.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
And I used that color in my own.
It was in my kind of lounge atthe time, and then living with
yellow changed me.
I just realized every time Iwalked into that room and how
the sun kind of bounced off itand the glow I just realized it
was genuinely making me happier.
And if it hadn't kind of come upin in that colorful class, I
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probably just would never havetried it based on just a swatch.
I kind of had to sort of be abit persuaded and, like you say,
it's kind of discovering whatyou actually love and from then
I've kind of never looked backon yellow.
Yellow is definitely like rightup there on my top colors to
live with.
I love that.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
That's such a great story, because that's exactly
what I want to happen.
Exactly that.
To show people, yeah, theydon't have to be frightened of
even just trying it out.
Like you could have done it andgone.
I loved it for a little whilebut I'm over it now.
Whatever it is, but thattransformative feeling of um I
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mean you know we're talkingabout paint specifically, but
adding color to a space so thatit then, when you walk in it
actually gives you some kind ofenergy.
Whatever that energy ishopefully positive is like.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
It's like it changes the way you live because you
feel happier but you justgenerally feel happier and
sometimes you've just got to tryit out and I've definitely had
colours where I'm like oh, thisisn't quite giving me what.
I wanted, but you know it'sonly paint.
So yeah, exactly, I thinkpeople totally overestimate
paint.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
It's not actually that in terms of, you know,
compared to a sofa, compared toa rug, you know it's a couple of
hundred dollars on a weekend,so that's sort of
underestimating it a bit, but itis so transformative and I
think it's so interesting, inthis kind of theme of you know
trends and expressing yourself,that a lot of people I've heard
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say that they don't followtrends, they just leave
everything white.
And the way I see it, white isits own trend, the biggest trend
?
I believe it was right, it sortof still is.
But yeah, and your yellowiconic room, even though it was
part of a trend forecast, isquite uncommon.
It's not really a wide trend topaint a room yellow.
(19:07):
Yeah, actually it's aninteresting way to put it, isn't
it yeah?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Do you think that still so?
I find why, and I guess so, ifwe talk about minimalism as the
opposite to maximalism.
For a second, and how popularit has been to have really
homogenized interiors that werepredominantly white.
I mean, the white kitchendominated and hopefully is
(19:32):
starting to change a lot morenow, but do you think that's
shifting or do we think thatwhite is just always going to
rule?
Like what do you think I?
Speaker 3 (19:42):
think it.
I think it's shifting.
I think the white kitchenthing's really interesting.
I've just been helping a friendwith a renovation and she
really wanted a sage greenkitchen and it's really
interesting actually seeing howmany otherwise white houses
actually do have these kind ofthe timbers and the sage green
and it's kind of creeping in andit's just not looking stark
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anymore, which I love.
I think it's when it's sterileand cold I just can't stand it.
But I'm I'm still quite a fanof the, the soft, you know, a
bit of soft beige and beautifulstone.
I can definitely get behindthat.
If it's, if there's kind of somepersonality behind it, then I
enjoy it yes yeah, but I I was,um I said this to lauren before
(20:29):
about how, um I feel like newzealand's further behind on
things like that than australia.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
We just don't they tend to be a little more
conservative.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Yeah, like I think so , and I think possibly just the
options we have available to usover here more limited um yeah,
you know it really is a case ofum.
You know you can have it.
You can have any color so longas it's gray in almost every in
almost everything I'm findingcolorful things is really a bit
more of a challenge, whereas I Idon't know, it's always the
(21:02):
grass, always green yeah, I wason instagram going oh, I wish we
could going.
Oh, I wish we could get thatover here.
I wish we could get that overhere.
So maybe you don't think it'squite as true, but that's how it
seems to me anyway.
Yeah, that smaller market.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
I guess Australia does have that happening to an
extent as well.
Particularly, I guess, I'malways keen to support local,
and that's always tricky if it'sin a let's not say mass
produced, but they're trying toobviously sell something and
make some money, then it makesit trickier because it's a
(21:37):
smaller market, to have a biggerrange of colors and finishes,
doesn't it, which is alwaysdisappointing for us over here
and for you yeah, I just wantall the colors at least I mean.
And then, yes, why aren't theremore color options?
We need them all, which is whypaint is so good.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
I guess that's true, paint is the one thing we can do
all the cut.
That might be why I'm soobsessive about it.
I can get the paint, but itdoes make it trickier, I guess.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
To be sorry, lauren, um, I was just gonna say it just
makes it trickier to be moreindividual and um I guess,
curate your interior.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Yeah, it does make for yourself, but the challenge
can be good also because it kindof makes you, makes you be more
creative.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Think outside the box , if you, if you want to, um,
yeah, um, I liked what you weresaying evie um in the book and
we sort of just touched onminimalism a little bit there,
and I think that people thatenjoy minimalism they sort of
striving for that timeless lookand they are wanting something
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that is not trendy, they don'twant trends, they don't like
trends.
But then when sometimes I lookat some minimalist spaces and it
is a little bit harder toexpress yourself and I don't
know.
I'm so curious to know whatpeople think, because sometimes
you see minimalist spaces andit's almost you see these iconic
(23:07):
pieces of furniture.
You know, and we all enjoy theiconic pieces, there's no doubt
about it.
But sometimes it can be alittle bit predictable and I
feel like and in your book youtalk about, you know, these
maximalist spaces.
There's just more opportunitiesto express yourself, yeah.
(23:27):
So how do you?
Yeah, how do you sort of unpackthat in your book?
Speaker 3 (23:34):
I don't think there's a problem with minimalism per
se, apart from when it's thelimitations that come with
minimalism.
So then, therefore, you mightsee a painting by an artist, but
it wouldn't work because of thecolours or because it doesn't
it fit, and then everythingbecomes does it fit?
(23:54):
And then nothing in that spaceis then expressing your, your
likes, your dislikes, yourinterests.
Who lives there?
Speaker 1 (24:04):
your history, the history of the house yeah, and I
think it's just that it gets sorestricted.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
If you then want to label yourself as a minimalist,
because I think you can enjoyall those things and still think
I don't want many things in myspace, I'm not one of those
people.
I want lots of things in myspace, or I just can't stop
myself.
But I think it's when you'repairing it back to such an
extent that then it's justyou're, you're kind of just,
you've just put yourself in abox.
Um, literally, it's kind of ina white box yeah, um box, and
(24:35):
then you see, it's funny.
I sometimes see things whenpeople are selling a piece of
furniture online like amarketplace or whatever and
they're selling like a bookshelfand it's styled.
It's styled so beautifully butit has absolutely zero
personality.
When you start looking at it youthink, oh, this could be, this
could be straight out of ashowroom um, and there's not
even a book on here that thisperson has read or wants to read
(24:59):
, and there's nothing here thatis more than two years old and
you kind of think then what areyou getting from these things?
Like it makes for maybe a nicelittle instagram post where
people think you've got greattaste, um, and I think maybe
that's a lot of what we think wewant to aspire to.
But then the rest of the timewhen you're at home on your own
watching TV or you've gotfriends over, is it giving you
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anything back?
And I suppose that's probablywhat I think about it, but I
might be wrong.
Obviously, I'm not a minimalist, so I can't speak to us.
The joy they get from the space?
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Well, I think there's different ways to do minimalism
and I believe that it and youknow you just mentioned
marketplace it's bringing insomething old and something that
has some meaning to you.
You know, it's not about havingan empty space, it's about
having the right things in thespace.
But you know, if I see that TomFord book on another coffee
(25:53):
table, like I don't even know ifthere's any words in that book.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
That was a book.
I had pictures in my mind.
Has anybody?
Speaker 1 (25:59):
ever opened it?
No, never, I don't know Never.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Yeah, you're totally right, I'm picturing, and I'm
picturing the exact same shapeof like of a sort of handmade-y
candelabra type thing in a sortof organicky shape and a sort of
rustic finish and a you knoweverything.
You'd see, you've seen itbefore and you'll see it again,
and but if you could just bringin even just some something of
interest in, that can change thewhole thing.
(26:23):
You put one little paintingpropped up on the back and it's
interesting, um, and I thinkit's funny, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (26:29):
how people think, like when you said before, um,
it may have sort of zerocharacter, but it's beautifully
styled, and someone's thinking,oh, because they're going to
post that and be appreciated forthat, I still think that
actually those things get lost,they don't really get
appreciated, because I thinkwhat people actually appreciate,
whether they know it or not, isthat individual touch or a
(26:54):
person's point of view thatthey're sort of, I guess,
showing or expressing in aninterior, and those are the
things that people actually aremore attracted to than the more
homogenous kind of, you know,catalogue looking or yeah,
everything was bought from thesame showroom but styled
beautifully I agree and I thinkthat comes.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
So I think people kind of get when people are sort
of trying to emulate a look andthey sort of go for, like the
bones of, okay, so the whitewalls and the this, this
bookshelf, this chair, thisiconic chair, this iconic rug,
um, but what they don't reallyget from what they were probably
loving in the original image orhome is, like you say, those
pieces that have just brought,brought in that kind of that
(27:36):
quirkiness and that interest,and that's what makes that
difference and you can't,actually you can't just copy
that, because you've got to findthose bits for yourself, and
maybe that's where people get abit again comes back to fear
again, so true that you feellike, well, I don't know, I
don't know what I'm doing, Idon't know, but you know what
you like, and that should kindof be enough and I wonder do you
think that, um, that confidenceis like almost like the key,
(28:00):
like the basis to being able todo something that's maximalist,
like how do you do that if youdon't have the confidence to
express yourself, like it kindof is the at the root of it?
would you say yeah, I do, but Ithink gain I'm still gaining
confidence through discoveringmy own interior style and sort
of through maximalism.
I think the more I see myselfreflected in my home and my
(28:23):
surroundings, the more confidentI am in myself as a person.
And it's not that I do itintentionally.
But you can't help but havelittle reminders of you know, if
there's things that make youhappy or things that remind you
of where and who you came fromor what makes you an interesting
person, you can't help but kindof be walk a little taller with
(28:44):
that knowledge.
I think you know if you feelthat you belong, that's a
wonderful thing to come home toand a wonderful thing to go out
into the world from as well.
I think that's it.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Well, you know, in your book you've got this quote.
The single biggest piece ofadvice I can give to unleashing
your style is just that yeah,yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
So it's kind of just what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
You've just got to try it.
If you like it, great.
If you don't change it, um, butyou've got, you know, these
great sort of great guides here,these style basics.
So we're talking about, I think, with minimalism, there are
these rules and you stick quiteclosely within them.
And I still think that, even ifyou enjoy maximalism, you still
(29:29):
need to know what the rules areso that you can push the
boundaries and, I guess, breakthe rules to a certain extent.
And you've sort of reallybroken them down in the book and
I love the way that you knowit's a bit of a guide that
people can go through and fillout their you know, their
inspirations and things.
So you know you're talkingabout mood boards and how to
(29:50):
find your people.
So, yeah, I love the way thatsomebody can pick up that book
and they can take out differentelements and really just learn
how to unleash, which is reallyhelpful.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Yeah, oh, I hope so.
Thank you, lauren, because.
I think, that's the thing is.
I don't want it to the book.
Yeah, covers my own journey andmy own home, but what I really
want people to get from it isnot what I've done, but how I've
done it.
Um, and all the different ways.
I get inspiration and differentways I sort of think and change,
(30:22):
and a lot of it is, yeah, justkind of like you say, just
trying things out.
Failing sometimes and beingprepared to fail is a big thing.
I think, um, and yeah you knowand just know.
Sometimes you just have to havea laugh about it.
You know, I've done things andthey've looked absolutely awful
and I just, you know, and it'slike, oh well, that was an
experiment, everything iscontent oh, I need an example of
(30:44):
that.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
What's the worst thing you've done?
That you sort of went oh my God, this is a disaster.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Oh, I've got a few.
I'm just trying to think.
One of the best ones actuallywould be um, I actually painted
my father-in-law's house.
I'd bought some paint cheap.
Um, this was before I workedwith dulex.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Um, I like where this is going by cheap paint and he
was a bit of a minimalist.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
But he wasn't living in his house at the time and I
was like giving it a makeoverfor him.
Um, and I slapped the stuff onthe walls and it was actually
like wood stain, it wasn't paint, oh so it was like streaky,
like dried blood color, um, andit looks just.
I know that was a big mistake,um, and I, but I did paint over
(31:32):
it and it was, and it was fine.
It was fine, um, but he did, hedid then get professional
painters in to paint the wholething white.
But I was, I was much youngerthen, um, but I was just.
You know, try trying things outand always experimenting like
wood stain on.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
I love it that it wasn't.
I love it that it wasn't yourhouse as well.
No, no.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
That's funny.
Yeah, that's a good spot tomake mistakes somewhere else,
maybe With myself, it would morejust be things like I'm.
You know I'm an avid secondhandshopper and I'm pretty much
always willing to take a risk ifthe price is right.
So you know, I've had some realdoozies come through and I've
(32:14):
had I've had multiple couchesthat I've bought, picked up, put
them in the lounge and justimmediately taken photos and
sold them on straight away I,yeah, I had one, I thought I
wanted to sit like an l-shapedsectional thing, and this one
looked like a unique shape and Ithought this was going to be
cool.
It was dark like charcoal gray,um, anyway, I just didn't really
(32:38):
think about the fact that itwas weirdly.
This, this sort of L part, wasshaped like a giant coffin.
Um, so it was.
It was really weird.
It was so weird and when it wasin the house, you all you could
see was coffin um, oh, that'sso, that was immediately like no
, like no, this can't even staya day.
And I did, I did just, I boughtit for quite cheap and I just
(33:00):
sold it to someone else whomaybe didn't, maybe liked that
about it, I don't know.
But, um, things like that, yeah, but also I'm quite good at
kind of putting a few newcushions on it and making it
better.
So I can usually make like ahundred bucks off what I paid,
and you know.
So then then my losses isminimized.
So that would be another tipjust style it better than when
(33:24):
you bought it and you'll be fine.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Yeah, I love that so smart.
I'm just having such a goodflip through your book, so I'd
love to know about you, know howyou put together those spaces
and how that's like anexpression of you Well.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
I'm a real homebody.
So I live with my husband, sam,and our two dogs and two cats
and I've always just home hasalways been my thing, and as a
kid, you know, my doll's housewas my favorite thing and now I
just have like a giant doll'shouse kind of feels like.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
So I've always.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
I love moving rooms around and setting them up, but
I'm really always super focusedon how we actually use the space
, rather than what perhaps youthink it should be.
Um, rather than what perhaps Iyou think it should be.
So a kind of example I use inthe book is that I kind of
dismantled our dining room andturned it into a little tv snug.
That was during covid, Iremember oh yeah, and we just,
(34:25):
we just got so much more use outof it and really enjoyed it,
and then later I dismantled thesnug and I turned it into my
home studio and actually nowit's just going back to a dining
room.
So it's come full circle.
But it's sort of how we'reliving at that time, and always
being comfortable is alwaysreally important to me.
That you know that you've gotto have enough places to sit,
(34:46):
they've got to be comfortableplaces to sit, and to prioritize
the things that I love the mostso that they both get used or
seen.
So you know, artworks,furniture, rugs, lamps I always
just try and make space forthose things and design around
them.
I suppose how I kind of do it.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
And it's interesting because you know at first glance
you know your book is just,it's such a visual, there's just
so much good stuff to look at.
But actually you're talkingabout the function as well, and
the fact is that the way we livechanges.
So you know, you just threw inCOVID then everyone changed the
way they lived in their home.
You know we we got to sometimesthink about the function as well
(35:29):
, so that's really interesting.
I'd love to know about your umlike.
You've got a beautiful imagehere of you painting.
You're one of your paintings.
Can you tell us a bit aboutyour background?
Speaker 3 (35:40):
yes, so I studied graphic design after I dropped
out of law and art history, um,so that that was a second thing.
Actually.
Brie Bree, I was listening toyou on a podcast episode and you
were talking about when youdropped out of uni or didn't
finish your uni degree.
Is that right, did you not?
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Oh, you did oh sorry.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
I'm like yeah, no, mine's pretty linear, that's all
right, I just made that up then.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
But I might have been talking about that.
I thought I did actually thinkI wanted to do law at one stage,
or psychiatry, but I realisedthat I never went into that
course.
But you know when you're comingto the end of your secondary
education and trying to makethat definite decision, and I
(36:31):
did law Like so we actually hadlegal studies at school, so I
did that, um, and I loved it.
But I kind of also knew thatthe amount of study and, um, you
know, in book head, in a book,compared to, say, creative, I
just knew that wasn't going tobe.
I knew I wouldn't end up beinghappy and I would have done what
(36:52):
you did, which is probablystarted something and then
changed it.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Did you do law as well, lauren?
Yeah, I did.
I did work in a law practice,but it was more.
Yeah, I could say I've been alawyer, but it was really making
coffee.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Well, actually I think you've got classier than
all of us, so you can get thereward there.
Sorry, you were actually in theaudience.
On my resume when I was alawyer, you could watch suits
and completely relate totallyand yeah, you're an order,
you're there, definitely, prettymuch I'm a lawyer um, yeah, so
(37:27):
I'd from school, I'd gone to dolaw, um, and I did that for
about a year and a half atuniversity and struggled a lot.
Yeah, I just wasn't really madefor having my head in a book.
And then I changed and studiedgraphic design and I majored in
illustration, which was justkind of by chance, the graphic
(37:49):
design thing.
I'd always been interested inart and creative studies, but I
hadn't been encouraged to dothat at school, so I hadn't done
art at school for a few years,so it didn't really feel like an
option.
When I left school and that wasonly kind of when I discovered
what I didn't want to do that Ithought let's give this a go,
(38:14):
give this a go, um, and thenduring my graphic design degree,
I just had a really excellentcouple of illustration tutors
who that's kind of what set meon that path.
And, um, and, and it was kindof while I was at university, I
designed my first textiles and Istarted making art prints and
selling them and I illustratedmy first children's book, so
that was kind of what kind ofstarted me down.
(38:38):
The creative track was that Iwas making these colourful
animal prints that I was sellingthat were selling quite well
through shops here in Australiaas well.
You know it was a good time tobe on Etsy and you know and that
(38:59):
kind of yeah, I know it's nothard now and then also because I
was then I was styling them athome and taking, you know,
heavily filtered Instagramphotos of them, and then that
kind of is what led me into theinterior side of things and it's
kind of just sort of snowballedfrom there and I just always
share what I do online and Ishare more of what I want to do,
(39:21):
more of, and less of what Idon't want to do, and I just
kind of let that guide me andI've kind of gone through
different phases of some.
You know, some years it's beenmore sort of like events and
event styling, some years moredesign or textile design, or
some years more interiors andyeah, so it's a little mixed bag
.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
I love that, though I think that's that's the great
thing about um being in acreative field is that usually I
mean not everyone, but I findthat for myself that I can kind
of shift into different areasand um find something else that
I love about that particulardirection.
I mean, I've always been sortof interiors, but you know, I've
(40:03):
done events and all of thosethings, and it offers you
something slightly different.
So it's such a nice feel to bein when you want everything kind
of not to be the same all thetime.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Yes, yeah, Variety is so good and you just kind of,
you just need to if you justkind of share this, you know
it's just kind of you just needto.
If you just kind of share this,you know it's just kind of your
online portfolio, you cansomewhat control what you get.
You know the jobs that come toyou.
Well, that's what I find anyway.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Yeah, because you're putting out there what you want,
more of exactly what you said.
It's a really good pointactually.
Yeah, yeah, make sure you justreally push the stuff you want
to do more of.
Yeah, completely, it just makessense.
I guess you're sort of umattracting what you're putting
out there.
Hmm, I feel like um one of thethings that, um, like you said,
(40:52):
you sort of ended up sort of ininteriors because you were
styling those shots.
What was it like before that?
Like you, were you always quiteexpressive in your interior
style anyway, or did that justlike really evolve from when you
sort of went into that um more?
Speaker 3 (41:08):
my mom has always been super creative with
interiors, um, so our housenever looked like anyone else's
house, um, and it was alwayschanging and it was always, um,
colorful and pattern-filled.
So I think I've got that in meand I would have gone through.
I went through my kind of moreteenage phase of kind of
rejecting that and then comingback to it.
(41:31):
Yeah being a bit like no, Idon't want to do it.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Yes, we do.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
But no, I've always been.
I've always decorated my roomsand been a bit obsessed with
that and always watched ChangingRooms my whole life.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Oh, that was hilarious that show, wasn't it
Just so good In the 90s?
I still like the some just aslike.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
What am I?
If I really need cheering up,I'll watch, like the Changing
Rooms kind of bloopers wherethey've had a disastrous reveal.
There's one where a shelf fallsdown with this woman's
collection of valuable teapots.
Have you seen that it's a?
I'll send it to you becauseit's so worth.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Everyone needs to see it.
Please do.
I will have to do a link forthat.
That's shocking, heartbreaking.
Oh no, so was that the newzealand edition?
Speaker 3 (42:16):
no, the changing rooms in the uk because I grew
up in the uk until I was ateenager yeah yeah, so lots of
terrible makeover shows overthere I think the uk ones were
even worse.
So bad and 60 minute makeoveras well, yeah thinking you could
like just run in someone'shouse and do the whole thing in
60 minutes.
I think um, I have a feelingthat they put that back and
(42:39):
Peter Andre is the presenter.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Oh my God, that's so funny.
We're all going to have towatch that.
I need to go find out.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
I haven't watched any of those shows for a really
long time it's worth it.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
Well, I watch it's been off my radar.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
I watch Antiques Roadshow.
That's like my Sunday afternoon.
It's like so comforting andit's so daggy.
I love Antiques Roadshow.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
We always watch it with my family and we play the
game.
Do you play the game where youlike?
All try and guess what thevalue will be.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
Yeah, and then you can tell someone's bought
something random in and they'rehoping it's like worth, you know
, 50,000 pounds or something butit's like worth you know 50 000
pounds or something, but it'sworth, and their face is just
pounds and they're like oh well,I still love it, yeah, but I
would never sell it.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
I'm like you would just always tell they're
terrible at that.
They're like, oh, I would neversell.
And you just see, they're justso gusset and they're absolutely
gonna sell it yeah yeah, yeahthey'll still see if they can
get something else for it.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
Someone else might not know that it's not worth
this much.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
I kind of remember how we got onto the TV show.
Sorry, I led us astray, oh no,it's all right.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
No, you were talking about growing up and your mum.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
Oh, yes, and your teenage.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
So how did you rebel as a teenager?
I?
Speaker 3 (43:57):
don't know that I really did.
I mean it wasn't to my mum.
My mum's taste was quite, orstill is quite, english country
and my teenage bedroom I had thewalls painted magenta, with
purple and black and whiteDalmatian spot accents.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
I know, and I have no photos of it, which is such a
shame.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
I know, oh, imagine, if you did.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Yeah, I guess it wouldn't have, why would we have
taken photos of?
Speaker 2 (44:23):
it, which is such a shame, I know.
Oh, imagine if you did.
Yeah, I guess it wouldn't have.
Why would we have taken photosabout room.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
I guess we weren't really.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
No, I think back then right yeah exactly, exactly,
yeah, so I guess I've alwaysalways just had lifted a
creative home and thought toexpress myself through my home.
And then I love always goaround the markets and the art
shops and things with my mum andmy sisters um, so always buying
(44:46):
weird things.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
I think that plays a really big part in maximum
maximalism as well.
Get my um tongue around that,because I feel like you know
what we were talking aboutbefore.
It's how how you make a spacemore unique is often those
things that you've just kind offound along the way or that are
secondhand or vintage or evenDIY, which I know you do a lot
(45:09):
of as well.
I guess if, like, you're kindof adding that extra layer of
personality to a space, that'syour personality, so it makes it
way more unique.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
Right, there's two sides to that.
One is a budget side as well,if you know that you want, you
want a certain look, um, and I Iknow I'm a grown-up now but I
never quite feel like it.
So I'm always I feel like I'mstill that teenager looking for
stuff.
I'm like, oh, how can I makethis work?
Um, one side is the budgetthing and the other thing is
(45:39):
just the availability again, andthe New Zealand market of how
many.
There aren't as many differentthings as you maybe would want,
and so how do you make it yourown, or um, so, yeah, I love, I
love a good upcycle.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
I love um reupholstering things or
painting things um yeah, I'mjust, I'm looking over here
because I've got a couch overhere.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
That's just because I just got delivered today.
That's my next project, so I'mlike oh, you're next.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
That's exciting, and will we see that happening on
Instagram in?
Speaker 3 (46:13):
real time.
How do you do it?
I'm actually terrible at justgetting stuck in and not sitting
up my camera, but I've got tobe better at it.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Yeah, I like in the book, how you've got some sort
of then and now you know images,and I think that sort of goes
back to that ever changing.
You know, the spaces evolve,the spaces change, which is,
yeah, which is part of, I guess,that maximalist aesthetic where
you are layering and you'retaking out and you're swapping
in, like I love that, it's notlike a showroom, that that's how
it is, it's done, it's finished.
You know, I love that spacesevolve and change Beautiful.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
There is a limit on how much stuff I can have in my
house.
My husband would totallydisagree.
He probably thinks I don't knowthat limit.
But so if I find something Ireally love, then that that's
what kind of gets me changingthings around or swapping things
out and then looking at thingsafresh.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Yeah make that work.
Speaker 3 (47:08):
So yeah, it is always evolving but there's also the
nice thing about your own styleand thinking.
Things can change and you.
Nothing has to be foreverunless you want it to be, and
sometimes just one little thingcan be what sets me off on
changing everything around.
Um, you know, like a, somethinglike a cushion, love a cushion
(47:30):
yeah, yeah, I love a cushion too.
I'm a little color.
I'm the same with the littleside tables thing, but it's
getting a bit out I'm justdistracted because I'm reading
your book here.
You're so good.
You must be the most amazingspeed reader I've ever met in my
life.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
Oh, I'm not literally reading it, I'm just scrolling
through it.
Still, I'm very impressed.
And what else did I want to say?
Oh, what about your inspiration?
Like, do you look at other?
Speaker 3 (48:03):
interior designers for inspiration, or how do you
sort of, how do you evolve yourlook?
Yeah, I love.
I love being inspired by others.
I love.
I love nothing more thanreading magazines.
Reading magazines, a bit ofpinterest and um, bookmarking
things that.
And instagram, obviously, um,just bookmarking things that
really excite me or interest me,and sometimes I'm using them as
(48:23):
like a DIY inspo.
So I do some work for Bunningsand so I kind of am looking for
things.
You know how I can make my ownversion of something, and other
times it's just a feeling, or avibe and it makes me think, yeah
, I'm into that, like going backto the colour forecast.
I always know every year it'sgoing to make me, it's going to
(48:43):
give me this kind of boost andinjection of looking at things
with fresh eyes.
So I love being inspired byothers so much and it doesn't
and I'm really always inspiredby really wide range of
different styles as well.
I don't really gravitatetowards homes or people that
design like I do, um, because II find it just really inspiring
(49:07):
to get it from all all over.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
You just never know where, where it's gonna hit yeah
, yeah, and you, I think that um, one of the things that um, I
see from you as well, and Ithink I guess I feel the same.
I don't know about you, lauren,but how your personal style
with fashion kind of often cankind of been a thing like with
your personal style and yourinterior being, I guess, similar
(49:44):
, or is that something that'sevolved over time?
Speaker 3 (49:47):
as well.
Over time, my confidence withhow I dress has definitely been
maybe a slower burn than withthe other aspects of design.
Um, but I enjoyed gettingdressed up so much and I love.
I love color and pattern anddesign and I'm excited by in all
(50:07):
the different ways.
So I that's why I can neverchoose something.
Yeah, fashion is definitely upthere with things and I love,
you know, I love.
I've made my.
My house has this round brickturret room.
That was this originally builtas a study, but I got curved
rails made for it and it's just.
My wardrobe is so indulgentbecause it's it's quite massive
(50:30):
and it's very cool.
But I just go in there and I'mjust like I love this, this
makes me so happy and um yeah,and that this sort of freedom
and joy in self-expression is apowerful thing, and I think I
just find that more and more.
I just enjoy it and I loveshopping.
Speaker 1 (50:49):
Let's just be honest you know you actually just
nailed it because it is apowerful thing our environment
is so impactful to the way thatwe feel.
And you know, creating thoseenvironments that really make
you feel good, make you feeljoyful, make you feel relaxed,
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make you feel calm or whateverit is that you're needing at
that point in time, you know itis worth taking the time and the
effort to figure it out foryourself.
And, yeah, I think that's it is.
We do underestimate it, but youknow I think that's it is.
We do underestimate it, but youknow, I think it comes back to
your yellow room and how a lickof paint can just be so
transformative and you walk inand you just you do have that
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great feeling.
It is uplifting.
So I think that's a really yeah.
And I think you know the guidesin book.
They are really empowering forpeople to learn how they can do
it in their way.
There's some guides there howto mix pattern.
You know you've got that greatdiagram with the sofas and again
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, if you're watching on YouTube,these will come up.
Speaker 3 (51:58):
Hopefully, if you don't mind, we can show.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
We can show yeah, just a great, great diagram mix
these cushions together, or youcan mix those cushions together.
You know here, here's how youcan mix different patterns and
fabrics, and you know it's justopening up a world of
possibilities for people so thatthey can create that little
corner in their home as well.
Speaker 3 (52:18):
I, that's really really beautiful and actually
important.
It's that thing about taking upspace.
Yeah, and about taking up space, and if there's anywhere that
you feel you should take upspace, surely it's in your own
home and you know, maybe that'sthe start of then how?
you go out into the world andand you take that, take those
good vibes, and you take that,you that you know yourself and
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you trust yourself.
I think trusting yourselfactually might be the big thing.
I love that, oh, definitely, Ithink that comes back to that
confidence thing right, Totallythe trust.
Speaker 1 (52:51):
So good Evie.
Speaker 2 (52:53):
I feel like that's a good place for us to wrap our
chat, because I feel like we'vecovered so much, thank you.
What about our questions?
We'll jump onto that in asecond.
So if you're if you'relistening on on the podcast,
you'll need to jump over toYouTube for the bonus content.
But I thought I'd just finishwith like we'll tell us, you
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know you, you've got the bookcoming out.
Do you think you'll writeanother book like what's next
for?
Speaker 3 (53:18):
you I I feel like this book is really the
culmination of, kind of the last10 years of my life and my work
.
So I don't I feel like this isa big, big deal for me right now
and I'm really excited to haveit out in the world and like
give it that space.
For me personally, I'verecently which is why I've got a
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white wall behind me, which Iknow is really off brand.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
Yeah what's going on there.
Speaker 3 (53:45):
I've just recently taken over a studio space where
I want to be able to do kind ofbigger projects and also, yeah,
hire it out for cool events andhave a moving wall with
different colours on either sideand do lots more furniture
upcycling and, um, yeah, juststuff like that.
(54:05):
So that's that's kind of myfocus hopefully, if I just can,
just I can just get enough timeto keep, keep doing it.
But yeah, yeah.
So my studio, studio evie, ismy, is my new thing.
Yeah, that in the book thatbook?
Speaker 1 (54:19):
That is exciting.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
Amazing.
Well, we're going to wrap itfor the podcast now, but if you
want to hear some interestingpersonal things from Evie,
you'll need to jump over ontoYouTube and catch the bonus
content there.
Speaker 3 (54:34):
Thanks so much, Evie.
Speaker 1 (54:35):
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 3 (54:37):
It was so much fun.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
So thank you guys for listening in and just a quick
reminder if you would like somehelp with the interiors for your
own home, I can help you in acourse called the style studies
essentials, or um, for designersout there.
Speaker 2 (54:51):
Come into the design society for business and
marketing and all of the thingsyeah, and in the same show
you'll find a link to sign upfor my soon-to-be-released
furniture collections,pre-selected furniture
collections and cool trendinformation, and then, in the
future, some short courses onstyling and trends as well.
Speaker 1 (55:11):
So good Bree.
We've got the utmost respectfor the Wurundjeri people of the
Kulin Nation.
They're the OG custodians ofthis unceded land and its waters
, where we set up shop, createand call home and come to you.
From this podcast today, a bigshout out to all of the amazing
elders who have walked before us, those leading the way in the
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present and the emerging leaderswho will carry the torch into
the future.
We're just lucky to be on thisjourney together.
Welcome to Design Anatomy, the interior design
podcast hosted by friends andfellow designers.
Me, lauren Li.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
And me, Bree Banfield , with some amazing guests along
the way.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
We're here to break down everything from current
trends to timeless style.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
With a shared passion for joyful, colour-filled and
lived-in spaces.
We're excited to share ourinsights and inspiration with
you.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
In this engaging conversation, brie and I chat
with Evie Kemp about her journeyas a multifaceted creative, her
new book on maximalism and theimportance of colour and
personal expression in interiordesign.
Evie has such a vibrantpersonality and she is so fun to
talk to, isn't she, brie?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yes, she is absolutely fabulous.
We explore that shift fromminimalism to maximalism and the
impact of our childhoodexperiences on design
preferences and the confidenceneeded to embrace one's unique
style.
Evie shares insights on thefunction of spaces, learning
from design mistakes and thetransformative power of colour
(01:02):
in creating joyful environments.
She also delves into her mentalhealth strategies and the
significance of settingboundaries in life and work, and
I love that she was so open andsharing about that too.
It's so important.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
It really is.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I appreciate her a lot and we just have some really
good laughs too, always, andwhile we're here, just a quick
reminder to have a look in theshow notes for links to our
other work.
I've got a link there to signup for our newsletter so you can
be across upcoming designcourses and trendy information.
(01:38):
So jump in and sign up for that.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
So cool Bree, so cool Bree.
And whilst I've got you, justbefore we start, this year in
the Design Society, we arehaving a mastermind group for
emerging designers and one formore established designers.
So if you wanted to share andjust learn things with a really
small group of like-mindeddesigners, it's going to be
(02:01):
fantastic.
So we're working on Instagramthings as well.
So, again, have a look in theshow notes.
Enough about that, let's divein, shall we Brie?
Let's do it.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
So hi, evie, I know Evie.
I can't even think how long agoit would have been that we met,
but Evie does a lot of workwith Dulux in New Zealand and
I've been very fortunate to beable to go over to New Zealand
and that's when I met Evie andobviously we had some
similarities in terms of thefact that we really love colour
(02:34):
and pattern and all of that sortof thing, so we connected quite
easily.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Well, you were my design.
That's for the colour forecast.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
So that was like.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I was going to say say, was that the first time we
met?
Fangirl moment for me, I was soexcited to meet you.
And then you were wearing um,the fabric I designed for micah,
who are a new zealand clothinglabel who sadly closed now.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, I wanted to.
I wanted to wear something thatum was a new ze Zealand brand
for that, so it was for thelaunch of the dulex forecast
over there and, yeah, and it wasyour design as well, and then
you were wearing the same designin it.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
I think, yes, that's right of course I'm pretty
shameless.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I'm kind of always wearing it as you should as you
should.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I love that.
I love all of them.
I actually really love thatbrand.
I need to.
I've got.
I did end up buying, so thatone I loaned.
I did end up buying a couple ofpieces that, um, kind of you
know, stay in the in thewardrobe, because they're just
those pieces that you kind ofkeep forever, like they're
really classic sort of cuts aswell, like they're not sort of
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things that go out of date.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
No, they're quite unique kind of cuts, aren't they
?
So I'm kind of hoping I'll keepmine forever, but we'll see how
well they last when I thrashthem.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
So that's how I know, Evie.
And when Lauren and I weretalking about some topics for
the podcast and maximalism cameup, I went wow, there's only one
person I would want to talkabout that.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
What an honour.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
And Lauren's really just met you before Just by
Instagram, yeah just yeah, allof your cool videos and reels
and beautiful imagery, it's likeso immersive.
And I have just been flippingthrough your book and I
absolutely love it and the words.
I love what you're saying, soI'm really excited for this chat
(04:37):
.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Oh well, thank you.
It's so much fun to be here I'mvery excited about the whole
Design Anatomy podcast and justgetting more in my ears yeah,
sorry, hang on a minute.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Um, I've got one child jumping in and
interrupting me.
Just sorry, two seconds, miller.
I don't know what that was.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Now I'm getting that life.
That's real life.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Sorry, I just need to go close my jaw.
Absolutely, we'll have to editthat out.
True sex.
You're right to see me tryingto get out of my Do you have
kids, Lauren?
Speaker 1 (05:17):
I do.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
It's school holidays here.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
So they're yeah, 11, 10 and 2.
Oh, cute.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
No, I just have pets.
I have dogs and cats.
They don't have school holidays.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Cute.
I could hear some birdschirping in the background.
Is that just nature?
It's just nature.
It's not my birds, no, it'sjust New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Yeah, I'm actually.
I'm at my studio, in my studiospace, and it's quite nice.
There's lots of trees outside,so, yeah, there's a bit of bird
twittering, but hopefully.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Yeah, isn't it, it's a lovely sunny day here.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
It really feels like spring, so hopefully it sticks
around.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Yeah.
Sorry about that so yeah, Ihave loved being immersed in
your Instagram world, so I guessI'm kind of curious, like what
do you do, like, what do you getup to?
Speaker 3 (06:13):
That's a very good question and one I always find
really hard to answer.
I pretty much go with that.
I'm a multi-faceted creative,so everything I do comes back to
color and pattern, and soobviously that ties in a lot
with home and interiors.
But I do textile design,graphic design, I do a lot of
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DIY and craft kind of content.
So I do a lot of contentcreation.
That's a big part of my kind ofpaid work and yeah, and then I
do other work for brands, kindof in the sort of textile design
or, um, as a dulex ambassador,uh, so it it kind of covers
everything.
But everything I do comes backto that color, that pattern,
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maximalism, um, and expressingyourself through those things
and now you know.
I know.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Thank you for the prompt there because I did
forget that and I guess it'sworth telling us about the book
and how that's come about andall of that stuff that you've
been up to creating a book thisyear has been pretty much taken
up with creating my book Much.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
It's called Much, a Maximus Guide to a Creative Home
, and it's being.
It's officially out on the 17thof October and it's so soon.
And I've actually just got allmy pre-ordered copies have just
turned up today.
How exciting.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
That cover looks so exciting that is just going to
pop on the shelves, isn't it?
It's gorgeous.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
It's beautiful, that red metallic font.
Yeah, it's just going to pop onthe shelves, isn't it?
Speaker 3 (07:49):
it's gorgeous, I love that beautiful that red
metallic font and yeah, it'svery extra going with the foil
font, but it felt, you know, itjust had to kind of, why not
just like everything?
Lean into it much, yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I think, much the whole idea behind.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Much is kind of my whole philosophy of that you've
got a design for you and that,no matter how or where you live,
you can express yourselfthrough your home and bring
confidence and joy to your lifethrough those things.
So that's really what much isall about.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, I love that about?
Speaker 3 (08:28):
yeah, so it's the story of my home and my journey
in interiors, but I really wantto inspire people to do it their
own way.
So, yeah, it's really excitingto have it out in the world
nearly, yes, so close?
Yeah, it'll be out possiblywhen this is out.
So yeah, I love how you've gotum.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
there is a bit of an encouragement for people to do
it yourself, do it themselves,and there are great tips on how
to mix color and pattern.
And I was just having a flipthrough it and it said
maximalists are born, not made.
Can you just talk on that?
Speaker 3 (09:04):
I thought that was really interesting, that all of
us as kids we're kind of drawnto things.
You know, it's collecting rocks, it's having a favorite color
and being really outspoken andpassionate about it.
And I think if you're alwaysdrawn to kind of the magic and
objects and the meaning objects,then then there'll always be
something that holds, you know,importance for you and can be a
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source of energy for you.
So I think that's what I meanby that.
Yeah, I love that so much, veryclever.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah, and if you think about you know, as a child
, you know, when you're sittingat your little craft table or
whatever, at child care or athome, you've got a whole rainbow
of crayons and you're grabbingthe colors that just you know.
There's no thought behind it,it's just whatever you're
grabbing it, the the colorsavailable.
(09:58):
They're not shades of gray andblack and white.
So what happens there?
Speaker 3 (10:03):
there, some of it's mummies are probably trying
Replace the grey and white.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
That's right, it's a neutral palette.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
The beige brigade Aesthetic mums, I think they're
called.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Yeah, Aesthetic mums yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
But it feels like a whole movement about it, doesn't
it?
At least in Western culture, itis somehow that love of colour.
To be an adult, you feel likeyou have to put that aside.
What happens there?
Like who said, and I think thatyou know there's such a gap in
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the market, at least in books,for your book, because it just
embraces that colour and it issomething that we feel is kind
of can be instinctive, can't it?
But we feel like there arethese rules somehow, that to be
an adult and I think you put itin your book.
It's well.
We need to buy the white flatpack entertainment unit and the
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gray sofa.
That's what it looks like to bean adult.
I thought that was really funny, but it actually is quite true.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Yeah, I think there's an idea with everything that we
do isn't there Like, oh, butI'm a grown up, so therefore
this is a choice I'm going tomake about what haircut I get
and what clothes I wear and whatthings I buy for the house, and
then I think, with decorating,it's seen as such a big
investment.
All people must see it as anunchangeable thing that they
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think I've got to buy a couch.
What will, what will I stillfeel okay about in 10 years?
Speaker 2 (11:39):
it might be this gray couch yeah, it kind of brings
up all um, I think it's a fearthing.
So when you're younger, you'rea bit fearless, right, and so
you and also your confidencecomes from being a bit fearless.
And then, as you get older, youget scared about things.
So there might not be, you know, really scared things that
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could literally be.
This is an investment.
I have to spend this much moneyon it.
It needs to be.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I need to like it for this long so it becomes sort of
fear-based decisions, ratherthan if we've got something
we've spent a few thousanddollars on and someone comes
around our house and says, oh,oh, you know, expresses that
they don't love it, that then itimpacts how we feel about that
thing, and then we think, well,I'm stuck with it now, so let's
(12:26):
just play it safe, and it's.
It's the marmite theory of youknow, nobody loves it, then
nobody hates it.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Instead, for those of , for those listening that don't
know oh, yeah, sorry, likevegemite it's Vegemite.
It's kind of the NZ slash UKVegemite.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it'smore of a.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
UK saying to say like it's good to be Marmite and
that's kind of to be divisive,so it's better to be sort of
strongly loved or hated, ratherthan to always be sort of in the
middle and nobody has strongfeelings about you either way.
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
I'm on the pro-mite thing, oh yeah, I like pro-mite,
so I'm just marching to thebeat of my own drum, I love it.
It's so much better thanVegemite.
What's?
Speaker 3 (13:18):
pro-mite made from though Controversial.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
I know, I know I'm going to get cancelled for that.
What's Pro-Mite made from you?
Speaker 3 (13:26):
might.
I mean honestly, they all kindof taste the same to me Same
stuff.
It's salty with a bit of butter.
Same but different it's so muchbetter, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
I'm marching to the beat of my own drum on that one
and I think that's you know Ilove the point.
But yeah, I love.
I love what you say, whatyou're saying, because you know
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when you're thinking about beingan adult and you know making
those big investment choices onthe sofa that you're literally
going to sit on every single day.
I understand why so many peoplechoose grey, but how does that
make you feel?
It just makes you feeldepressed.
Well, maybe that's a bit itwould make me feel depressed too
.
It makes me feel nothing.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Versus coming home to like a yellow couch and being
like.
I love this.
Oh my gosh, Every time I see it, I love it, and you know, and
you probably won't tire of itlike you think you will.
I think we kind of fed thatidea.
It'll be interesting to hearyour thoughts on that.
Brie, with trend forecastingthat it's people sort of got it
in their head that they're goingto go off things like that.
(14:37):
But if you truly love something, you'll kind of adapt it with
the trends.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
That's what I think too.
I mean, obviously our tastesstill change, but I think
choosing something that you arereally, I guess, attracted to,
that you love, that gives you agood feeling, like no matter
what that good feeling is, isalways going to be better than
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choosing something that sort ofticks a box, that, yeah, that
you feel nothing about.
Because even the feelingnothing about something to me is
sort of a little bit negativein a way, like that's not, it's
not positive to feel nothing.
Surely, I don't think it is.
I think the trend thing is, likeyou know, we always talk about
how your trends exist, whetherwe want them to or not, or
whether you believe in them ornot, whether they're a real
(15:27):
thing, um, or whether you followthem.
But what I always say when Italk about, um, why I love
working on trends, is I want toinspire people just to think
outside of the box and actuallyfind the stuff that they love,
that they hadn't realized theylove sometimes until they see it
.
Or that particular combination,or that example of you know I
(15:50):
thought I loved, you know, green.
Wow, now I've seen that greenroom, I realize how much I love
it and it looks amazing and Ithink I could do that.
So it's kind of about likegiving more confidence to people
to do what makes them happy.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
I love that, I love that.
I love that so much.
And that just made me think ofthere was one year in the colour
forecast and, in New Zealand atleast, used a colour called
Manaya I'm not sure what theAustralian equivalent would be
and it was a really kind ofgolden yellow and I painted the
wall.
Was it a dining room?
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yes, yeah, that's actually one of my favourite
shots actually, yes, yeah.
Yes, yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Did it have a red dining chair?
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Yeah, we will put that up on the YouTube.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
If you're watching on YouTube, you'll see it.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
But that is in my brain too.
That's funny, isn't it?
Yeah, yeah, it's one of myfavorites over the years, and
I'd always been really not ayellow person until that point.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
And I used that color in my own.
It was in my kind of lounge atthe time, and then living with
yellow changed me.
I just realized every time Iwalked into that room and how
the sun kind of bounced off itand the glow I just realized it
was genuinely making me happier.
And if it hadn't kind of come upin in that colorful class, I
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probably just would never havetried it based on just a swatch.
I kind of had to sort of be abit persuaded and, like you say,
it's kind of discovering whatyou actually love and from then
I've kind of never looked backon yellow.
Yellow is definitely like rightup there on my top colors to
live with.
I love that.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
That's such a great story, because that's exactly
what I want to happen.
Exactly that.
To show people, yeah, theydon't have to be frightened of
even just trying it out.
Like you could have done it andgone.
I loved it for a little whilebut I'm over it now.
Whatever it is, but thattransformative feeling of um I
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mean you know we're talkingabout paint specifically, but
adding color to a space so thatit then, when you walk in it
actually gives you some kind ofenergy.
Whatever that energy ishopefully positive is like.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
It's like it changes the way you live because you
feel happier but you justgenerally feel happier and
sometimes you've just got to tryit out and I've definitely had
colours where I'm like oh, thisisn't quite giving me what.
I wanted, but you know it'sonly paint.
So yeah, exactly, I thinkpeople totally overestimate
paint.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
It's not actually that in terms of, you know,
compared to a sofa, compared toa rug, you know it's a couple of
hundred dollars on a weekend,so that's sort of
underestimating it a bit, but itis so transformative and I
think it's so interesting, inthis kind of theme of you know
trends and expressing yourself,that a lot of people I've heard
(18:43):
say that they don't followtrends, they just leave
everything white.
And the way I see it, white isits own trend, the biggest trend
?
I believe it was right, it sortof still is.
But yeah, and your yellowiconic room, even though it was
part of a trend forecast, isquite uncommon.
It's not really a wide trend topaint a room yellow.
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Yeah, actually it's aninteresting way to put it, isn't
it yeah?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Do you think that still so?
I find why, and I guess so, ifwe talk about minimalism as the
opposite to maximalism.
For a second, and how popularit has been to have really
homogenized interiors that werepredominantly white.
I mean, the white kitchendominated and hopefully is
(19:32):
starting to change a lot morenow, but do you think that's
shifting or do we think thatwhite is just always going to
rule?
Like what do you think I?
Speaker 3 (19:42):
think it.
I think it's shifting.
I think the white kitchenthing's really interesting.
I've just been helping a friendwith a renovation and she
really wanted a sage greenkitchen and it's really
interesting actually seeing howmany otherwise white houses
actually do have these kind ofthe timbers and the sage green
and it's kind of creeping in andit's just not looking stark
(20:04):
anymore, which I love.
I think it's when it's sterileand cold I just can't stand it.
But I'm I'm still quite a fanof the, the soft, you know, a
bit of soft beige and beautifulstone.
I can definitely get behindthat.
If it's, if there's kind of somepersonality behind it, then I
enjoy it yes yeah, but I I was,um I said this to lauren before
(20:29):
about how, um I feel like newzealand's further behind on
things like that than australia.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
We just don't they tend to be a little more
conservative.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Yeah, like I think so , and I think possibly just the
options we have available to usover here more limited um yeah,
you know it really is a case ofum.
You know you can have it.
You can have any color so longas it's gray in almost every in
almost everything I'm findingcolorful things is really a bit
more of a challenge, whereas I Idon't know, it's always the
(21:02):
grass, always green yeah, I wason instagram going oh, I wish we
could going.
Oh, I wish we could get thatover here.
I wish we could get that overhere.
So maybe you don't think it'squite as true, but that's how it
seems to me anyway.
Yeah, that smaller market.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
I guess Australia does have that happening to an
extent as well.
Particularly, I guess, I'malways keen to support local,
and that's always tricky if it'sin a let's not say mass
produced, but they're trying toobviously sell something and
make some money, then it makesit trickier because it's a
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smaller market, to have a biggerrange of colors and finishes,
doesn't it, which is alwaysdisappointing for us over here
and for you yeah, I just wantall the colors at least I mean.
And then, yes, why aren't theremore color options?
We need them all, which is whypaint is so good.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
I guess that's true, paint is the one thing we can do
all the cut.
That might be why I'm soobsessive about it.
I can get the paint, but itdoes make it trickier, I guess.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
To be sorry, lauren, um, I was just gonna say it just
makes it trickier to be moreindividual and um I guess,
curate your interior.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Yeah, it does make for yourself, but the challenge
can be good also because it kindof makes you, makes you be more
creative.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Think outside the box , if you, if you want to, um,
yeah, um, I liked what you weresaying evie um in the book and
we sort of just touched onminimalism a little bit there,
and I think that people thatenjoy minimalism they sort of
striving for that timeless lookand they are wanting something
(22:46):
that is not trendy, they don'twant trends, they don't like
trends.
But then when sometimes I lookat some minimalist spaces and it
is a little bit harder toexpress yourself and I don't
know.
I'm so curious to know whatpeople think, because sometimes
you see minimalist spaces andit's almost you see these iconic
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pieces of furniture.
You know, and we all enjoy theiconic pieces, there's no doubt
about it.
But sometimes it can be alittle bit predictable and I
feel like and in your book youtalk about, you know, these
maximalist spaces.
There's just more opportunitiesto express yourself, yeah.
(23:27):
So how do you?
Yeah, how do you sort of unpackthat in your book?
Speaker 3 (23:34):
I don't think there's a problem with minimalism per
se, apart from when it's thelimitations that come with
minimalism.
So then, therefore, you mightsee a painting by an artist, but
it wouldn't work because of thecolours or because it doesn't
it fit, and then everythingbecomes does it fit?
(23:54):
And then nothing in that spaceis then expressing your, your
likes, your dislikes, yourinterests.
Who lives there?
Speaker 1 (24:04):
your history, the history of the house yeah, and I
think it's just that it gets sorestricted.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
If you then want to label yourself as a minimalist,
because I think you can enjoyall those things and still think
I don't want many things in myspace, I'm not one of those
people.
I want lots of things in myspace, or I just can't stop
myself.
But I think it's when you'repairing it back to such an
extent that then it's justyou're, you're kind of just,
you've just put yourself in abox.
Um, literally, it's kind of ina white box yeah, um box, and
(24:35):
then you see, it's funny.
I sometimes see things whenpeople are selling a piece of
furniture online like amarketplace or whatever and
they're selling like a bookshelfand it's styled.
It's styled so beautifully butit has absolutely zero
personality.
When you start looking at it youthink, oh, this could be, this
could be straight out of ashowroom um, and there's not
even a book on here that thisperson has read or wants to read
(24:59):
, and there's nothing here thatis more than two years old and
you kind of think then what areyou getting from these things?
Like it makes for maybe a nicelittle instagram post where
people think you've got greattaste, um, and I think maybe
that's a lot of what we think wewant to aspire to.
But then the rest of the timewhen you're at home on your own
watching TV or you've gotfriends over, is it giving you
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anything back?
And I suppose that's probablywhat I think about it, but I
might be wrong.
Obviously, I'm not a minimalist, so I can't speak to us.
The joy they get from the space?
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Well, I think there's different ways to do minimalism
and I believe that it and youknow you just mentioned
marketplace it's bringing insomething old and something that
has some meaning to you.
You know, it's not about havingan empty space, it's about
having the right things in thespace.
But you know, if I see that TomFord book on another coffee
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table, like I don't even know ifthere's any words in that book.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
That was a book.
I had pictures in my mind.
Has anybody?
Speaker 1 (25:59):
ever opened it?
No, never, I don't know Never.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Yeah, you're totally right, I'm picturing, and I'm
picturing the exact same shapeof like of a sort of handmade-y
candelabra type thing in a sortof organicky shape and a sort of
rustic finish and a you knoweverything.
You'd see, you've seen itbefore and you'll see it again,
and but if you could just bringin even just some something of
interest in, that can change thewhole thing.
(26:23):
You put one little paintingpropped up on the back and it's
interesting, um, and I thinkit's funny, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (26:29):
how people think, like when you said before, um,
it may have sort of zerocharacter, but it's beautifully
styled, and someone's thinking,oh, because they're going to
post that and be appreciated forthat, I still think that
actually those things get lost,they don't really get
appreciated, because I thinkwhat people actually appreciate,
whether they know it or not, isthat individual touch or a
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person's point of view thatthey're sort of, I guess,
showing or expressing in aninterior, and those are the
things that people actually aremore attracted to than the more
homogenous kind of, you know,catalogue looking or yeah,
everything was bought from thesame showroom but styled
beautifully I agree and I thinkthat comes.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
So I think people kind of get when people are sort
of trying to emulate a look andthey sort of go for, like the
bones of, okay, so the whitewalls and the this, this
bookshelf, this chair, thisiconic chair, this iconic rug,
um, but what they don't reallyget from what they were probably
loving in the original image orhome is, like you say, those
pieces that have just brought,brought in that kind of that
(27:36):
quirkiness and that interest,and that's what makes that
difference and you can't,actually you can't just copy
that, because you've got to findthose bits for yourself, and
maybe that's where people get abit again comes back to fear
again, so true that you feellike, well, I don't know, I
don't know what I'm doing, Idon't know, but you know what
you like, and that should kindof be enough and I wonder do you
think that, um, that confidenceis like almost like the key,
(28:00):
like the basis to being able todo something that's maximalist,
like how do you do that if youdon't have the confidence to
express yourself, like it kindof is the at the root of it?
would you say yeah, I do, but Ithink gain I'm still gaining
confidence through discoveringmy own interior style and sort
of through maximalism.
I think the more I see myselfreflected in my home and my
(28:23):
surroundings, the more confidentI am in myself as a person.
And it's not that I do itintentionally.
But you can't help but havelittle reminders of you know, if
there's things that make youhappy or things that remind you
of where and who you came fromor what makes you an interesting
person, you can't help but kindof be walk a little taller with
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that knowledge.
I think you know if you feelthat you belong, that's a
wonderful thing to come home toand a wonderful thing to go out
into the world from as well.
I think that's it.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Well, you know, in your book you've got this quote.
The single biggest piece ofadvice I can give to unleashing
your style is just that yeah,yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
So it's kind of just what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
You've just got to try it.
If you like it, great.
If you don't change it, um, butyou've got, you know, these
great sort of great guides here,these style basics.
So we're talking about, I think, with minimalism, there are
these rules and you stick quiteclosely within them.
And I still think that, even ifyou enjoy maximalism, you still
(29:29):
need to know what the rules areso that you can push the
boundaries and, I guess, breakthe rules to a certain extent.
And you've sort of reallybroken them down in the book and
I love the way that you knowit's a bit of a guide that
people can go through and fillout their you know, their
inspirations and things.
So you know you're talkingabout mood boards and how to
(29:50):
find your people.
So, yeah, I love the way thatsomebody can pick up that book
and they can take out differentelements and really just learn
how to unleash, which is reallyhelpful.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Yeah, oh, I hope so.
Thank you, lauren, because.
I think, that's the thing is.
I don't want it to the book.
Yeah, covers my own journey andmy own home, but what I really
want people to get from it isnot what I've done, but how I've
done it.
Um, and all the different ways.
I get inspiration and differentways I sort of think and change,
(30:22):
and a lot of it is, yeah, justkind of like you say, just
trying things out.
Failing sometimes and beingprepared to fail is a big thing.
I think, um, and yeah you knowand just know.
Sometimes you just have to havea laugh about it.
You know, I've done things andthey've looked absolutely awful
and I just, you know, and it'slike, oh well, that was an
experiment, everything iscontent oh, I need an example of
(30:44):
that.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
What's the worst thing you've done?
That you sort of went oh my God, this is a disaster.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Oh, I've got a few.
I'm just trying to think.
One of the best ones actuallywould be um, I actually painted
my father-in-law's house.
I'd bought some paint cheap.
Um, this was before I workedwith dulex.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Um, I like where this is going by cheap paint and he
was a bit of a minimalist.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
But he wasn't living in his house at the time and I
was like giving it a makeoverfor him.
Um, and I slapped the stuff onthe walls and it was actually
like wood stain, it wasn't paint, oh so it was like streaky,
like dried blood color, um, andit looks just.
I know that was a big mistake,um, and I, but I did paint over
(31:32):
it and it was, and it was fine.
It was fine, um, but he did, hedid then get professional
painters in to paint the wholething white.
But I was, I was much youngerthen, um, but I was just.
You know, try trying things outand always experimenting like
wood stain on.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
I love it that it wasn't.
I love it that it wasn't yourhouse as well.
No, no.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
That's funny.
Yeah, that's a good spot tomake mistakes somewhere else,
maybe With myself, it would morejust be things like I'm.
You know I'm an avid secondhandshopper and I'm pretty much
always willing to take a risk ifthe price is right.
So you know, I've had some realdoozies come through and I've
(32:14):
had I've had multiple couchesthat I've bought, picked up, put
them in the lounge and justimmediately taken photos and
sold them on straight away I,yeah, I had one, I thought I
wanted to sit like an l-shapedsectional thing, and this one
looked like a unique shape and Ithought this was going to be
cool.
It was dark like charcoal gray,um, anyway, I just didn't really
(32:38):
think about the fact that itwas weirdly.
This, this sort of L part, wasshaped like a giant coffin.
Um, so it was.
It was really weird.
It was so weird and when it wasin the house, you all you could
see was coffin um, oh, that'sso, that was immediately like no
, like no, this can't even staya day.
And I did, I did just, I boughtit for quite cheap and I just
(33:00):
sold it to someone else whomaybe didn't, maybe liked that
about it, I don't know.
But, um, things like that, yeah, but also I'm quite good at
kind of putting a few newcushions on it and making it
better.
So I can usually make like ahundred bucks off what I paid,
and you know.
So then then my losses isminimized.
So that would be another tipjust style it better than when
(33:24):
you bought it and you'll be fine.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Yeah, I love that so smart.
I'm just having such a goodflip through your book, so I'd
love to know about you, know howyou put together those spaces
and how that's like anexpression of you Well.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
I'm a real homebody.
So I live with my husband, sam,and our two dogs and two cats
and I've always just home hasalways been my thing, and as a
kid, you know, my doll's housewas my favorite thing and now I
just have like a giant doll'shouse kind of feels like.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
So I've always.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
I love moving rooms around and setting them up, but
I'm really always super focusedon how we actually use the space
, rather than what perhaps youthink it should be.
Um, rather than what perhaps Iyou think it should be.
So a kind of example I use inthe book is that I kind of
dismantled our dining room andturned it into a little tv snug.
That was during covid, Iremember oh yeah, and we just,
(34:25):
we just got so much more use outof it and really enjoyed it,
and then later I dismantled thesnug and I turned it into my
home studio and actually nowit's just going back to a dining
room.
So it's come full circle.
But it's sort of how we'reliving at that time, and always
being comfortable is alwaysreally important to me.
That you know that you've gotto have enough places to sit,
(34:46):
they've got to be comfortableplaces to sit, and to prioritize
the things that I love the mostso that they both get used or
seen.
So you know, artworks,furniture, rugs, lamps I always
just try and make space forthose things and design around
them.
I suppose how I kind of do it.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
And it's interesting because you know at first glance
you know your book is just,it's such a visual, there's just
so much good stuff to look at.
But actually you're talkingabout the function as well, and
the fact is that the way we livechanges.
So you know, you just threw inCOVID then everyone changed the
way they lived in their home.
You know we we got to sometimesthink about the function as well
(35:29):
, so that's really interesting.
I'd love to know about your umlike.
You've got a beautiful imagehere of you painting.
You're one of your paintings.
Can you tell us a bit aboutyour background?
Speaker 3 (35:40):
yes, so I studied graphic design after I dropped
out of law and art history, um,so that that was a second thing.
Actually.
Brie Bree, I was listening toyou on a podcast episode and you
were talking about when youdropped out of uni or didn't
finish your uni degree.
Is that right, did you not?
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Oh, you did oh sorry.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
I'm like yeah, no, mine's pretty linear, that's all
right, I just made that up then.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
But I might have been talking about that.
I thought I did actually thinkI wanted to do law at one stage,
or psychiatry, but I realisedthat I never went into that
course.
But you know when you're comingto the end of your secondary
education and trying to makethat definite decision, and I
(36:31):
did law Like so we actually hadlegal studies at school, so I
did that, um, and I loved it.
But I kind of also knew thatthe amount of study and, um, you
know, in book head, in a book,compared to, say, creative, I
just knew that wasn't going tobe.
I knew I wouldn't end up beinghappy and I would have done what
(36:52):
you did, which is probablystarted something and then
changed it.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Did you do law as well, lauren?
Yeah, I did.
I did work in a law practice,but it was more.
Yeah, I could say I've been alawyer, but it was really making
coffee.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Well, actually I think you've got classier than
all of us, so you can get thereward there.
Sorry, you were actually in theaudience.
On my resume when I was alawyer, you could watch suits
and completely relate totallyand yeah, you're an order,
you're there, definitely, prettymuch I'm a lawyer um, yeah, so
(37:27):
I'd from school, I'd gone to dolaw, um, and I did that for
about a year and a half atuniversity and struggled a lot.
Yeah, I just wasn't really madefor having my head in a book.
And then I changed and studiedgraphic design and I majored in
illustration, which was justkind of by chance, the graphic
(37:49):
design thing.
I'd always been interested inart and creative studies, but I
hadn't been encouraged to dothat at school, so I hadn't done
art at school for a few years,so it didn't really feel like an
option.
When I left school and that wasonly kind of when I discovered
what I didn't want to do that Ithought let's give this a go,
(38:14):
give this a go, um, and thenduring my graphic design degree,
I just had a really excellentcouple of illustration tutors
who that's kind of what set meon that path.
And, um, and, and it was kindof while I was at university, I
designed my first textiles and Istarted making art prints and
selling them and I illustratedmy first children's book, so
that was kind of what kind ofstarted me down.
(38:38):
The creative track was that Iwas making these colourful
animal prints that I was sellingthat were selling quite well
through shops here in Australiaas well.
You know it was a good time tobe on Etsy and you know and that
(38:59):
kind of yeah, I know it's nothard now and then also because I
was then I was styling them athome and taking, you know,
heavily filtered Instagramphotos of them, and then that
kind of is what led me into theinterior side of things and it's
kind of just sort of snowballedfrom there and I just always
share what I do online and Ishare more of what I want to do,
(39:21):
more of, and less of what Idon't want to do, and I just
kind of let that guide me andI've kind of gone through
different phases of some.
You know, some years it's beenmore sort of like events and
event styling, some years moredesign or textile design, or
some years more interiors andyeah, so it's a little mixed bag
.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
I love that, though I think that's that's the great
thing about um being in acreative field is that usually I
mean not everyone, but I findthat for myself that I can kind
of shift into different areasand um find something else that
I love about that particulardirection.
I mean, I've always been sortof interiors, but you know, I've
(40:03):
done events and all of thosethings, and it offers you
something slightly different.
So it's such a nice feel to bein when you want everything kind
of not to be the same all thetime.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Yes, yeah, Variety is so good and you just kind of,
you just need to if you justkind of share this, you know
it's just kind of you just needto.
If you just kind of share this,you know it's just kind of your
online portfolio, you cansomewhat control what you get.
You know the jobs that come toyou.
Well, that's what I find anyway.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Yeah, because you're putting out there what you want,
more of exactly what you said.
It's a really good pointactually.
Yeah, yeah, make sure you justreally push the stuff you want
to do more of.
Yeah, completely, it just makessense.
I guess you're sort of umattracting what you're putting
out there.
Hmm, I feel like um one of thethings that, um, like you said,
(40:52):
you sort of ended up sort of ininteriors because you were
styling those shots.
What was it like before that?
Like you, were you always quiteexpressive in your interior
style anyway, or did that justlike really evolve from when you
sort of went into that um more?
Speaker 3 (41:08):
my mom has always been super creative with
interiors, um, so our housenever looked like anyone else's
house, um, and it was alwayschanging and it was always, um,
colorful and pattern-filled.
So I think I've got that in meand I would have gone through.
I went through my kind of moreteenage phase of kind of
rejecting that and then comingback to it.
(41:31):
Yeah being a bit like no, Idon't want to do it.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Yes, we do.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
But no, I've always been.
I've always decorated my roomsand been a bit obsessed with
that and always watched ChangingRooms my whole life.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Oh, that was hilarious that show, wasn't it
Just so good In the 90s?
I still like the some just aslike.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
What am I?
If I really need cheering up,I'll watch, like the Changing
Rooms kind of bloopers wherethey've had a disastrous reveal.
There's one where a shelf fallsdown with this woman's
collection of valuable teapots.
Have you seen that it's a?
I'll send it to you becauseit's so worth.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Everyone needs to see it.
Please do.
I will have to do a link forthat.
That's shocking, heartbreaking.
Oh no, so was that the newzealand edition?
Speaker 3 (42:16):
no, the changing rooms in the uk because I grew
up in the uk until I was ateenager yeah yeah, so lots of
terrible makeover shows overthere I think the uk ones were
even worse.
So bad and 60 minute makeoveras well, yeah thinking you could
like just run in someone'shouse and do the whole thing in
60 minutes.
I think um, I have a feelingthat they put that back and
(42:39):
Peter Andre is the presenter.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Oh my God, that's so funny.
We're all going to have towatch that.
I need to go find out.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
I haven't watched any of those shows for a really
long time it's worth it.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
Well, I watch it's been off my radar.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
I watch Antiques Roadshow.
That's like my Sunday afternoon.
It's like so comforting andit's so daggy.
I love Antiques Roadshow.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
We always watch it with my family and we play the
game.
Do you play the game where youlike?
All try and guess what thevalue will be.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
Yeah, and then you can tell someone's bought
something random in and they'rehoping it's like worth, you know
, 50,000 pounds or something butit's like worth you know 50 000
pounds or something, but it'sworth, and their face is just
pounds and they're like oh well,I still love it, yeah, but I
would never sell it.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
I'm like you would just always tell they're
terrible at that.
They're like, oh, I would neversell.
And you just see, they're justso gusset and they're absolutely
gonna sell it yeah yeah, yeahthey'll still see if they can
get something else for it.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
Someone else might not know that it's not worth
this much.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
I kind of remember how we got onto the TV show.
Sorry, I led us astray, oh no,it's all right.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
No, you were talking about growing up and your mum.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
Oh, yes, and your teenage.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
So how did you rebel as a teenager?
I?
Speaker 3 (43:57):
don't know that I really did.
I mean it wasn't to my mum.
My mum's taste was quite, orstill is quite, english country
and my teenage bedroom I had thewalls painted magenta, with
purple and black and whiteDalmatian spot accents.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
I know, and I have no photos of it, which is such a
shame.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
I know, oh, imagine, if you did.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Yeah, I guess it wouldn't have, why would we have
taken photos of?
Speaker 2 (44:23):
it, which is such a shame, I know.
Oh, imagine if you did.
Yeah, I guess it wouldn't have.
Why would we have taken photosabout room.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
I guess we weren't really.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
No, I think back then right yeah exactly, exactly,
yeah, so I guess I've alwaysalways just had lifted a
creative home and thought toexpress myself through my home.
And then I love always goaround the markets and the art
shops and things with my mum andmy sisters um, so always buying
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weird things.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
I think that plays a really big part in maximum
maximalism as well.
Get my um tongue around that,because I feel like you know
what we were talking aboutbefore.
It's how how you make a spacemore unique is often those
things that you've just kind offound along the way or that are
secondhand or vintage or evenDIY, which I know you do a lot
(45:09):
of as well.
I guess if, like, you're kindof adding that extra layer of
personality to a space, that'syour personality, so it makes it
way more unique.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
Right, there's two sides to that.
One is a budget side as well,if you know that you want, you
want a certain look, um, and I Iknow I'm a grown-up now but I
never quite feel like it.
So I'm always I feel like I'mstill that teenager looking for
stuff.
I'm like, oh, how can I makethis work?
Um, one side is the budgetthing and the other thing is
(45:39):
just the availability again, andthe New Zealand market of how
many.
There aren't as many differentthings as you maybe would want,
and so how do you make it yourown, or um, so, yeah, I love, I
love a good upcycle.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
I love um reupholstering things or
painting things um yeah, I'mjust, I'm looking over here
because I've got a couch overhere.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
That's just because I just got delivered today.
That's my next project, so I'mlike oh, you're next.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
That's exciting, and will we see that happening on
Instagram in?
Speaker 3 (46:13):
real time.
How do you do it?
I'm actually terrible at justgetting stuck in and not sitting
up my camera, but I've got tobe better at it.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Yeah, I like in the book, how you've got some sort
of then and now you know images,and I think that sort of goes
back to that ever changing.
You know, the spaces evolve,the spaces change, which is,
yeah, which is part of, I guess,that maximalist aesthetic where
you are layering and you'retaking out and you're swapping
in, like I love that, it's notlike a showroom, that that's how
it is, it's done, it's finished.
You know, I love that spacesevolve and change Beautiful.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
There is a limit on how much stuff I can have in my
house.
My husband would totallydisagree.
He probably thinks I don't knowthat limit.
But so if I find something Ireally love, then that that's
what kind of gets me changingthings around or swapping things
out and then looking at thingsafresh.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Yeah make that work.
Speaker 3 (47:08):
So yeah, it is always evolving but there's also the
nice thing about your own styleand thinking.
Things can change and you.
Nothing has to be foreverunless you want it to be, and
sometimes just one little thingcan be what sets me off on
changing everything around.
Um, you know, like a, somethinglike a cushion, love a cushion
(47:30):
yeah, yeah, I love a cushion too.
I'm a little color.
I'm the same with the littleside tables thing, but it's
getting a bit out I'm justdistracted because I'm reading
your book here.
You're so good.
You must be the most amazingspeed reader I've ever met in my
life.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
Oh, I'm not literally reading it, I'm just scrolling
through it.
Still, I'm very impressed.
And what else did I want to say?
Oh, what about your inspiration?
Like, do you look at other?
Speaker 3 (48:03):
interior designers for inspiration, or how do you
sort of, how do you evolve yourlook?
Yeah, I love.
I love being inspired by others.
I love.
I love nothing more thanreading magazines.
Reading magazines, a bit ofpinterest and um, bookmarking
things that.
And instagram, obviously, um,just bookmarking things that
really excite me or interest me,and sometimes I'm using them as
(48:23):
like a DIY inspo.
So I do some work for Bunningsand so I kind of am looking for
things.
You know how I can make my ownversion of something, and other
times it's just a feeling, or avibe and it makes me think, yeah
, I'm into that, like going backto the colour forecast.
I always know every year it'sgoing to make me, it's going to
(48:43):
give me this kind of boost andinjection of looking at things
with fresh eyes.
So I love being inspired byothers so much and it doesn't
and I'm really always inspiredby really wide range of
different styles as well.
I don't really gravitatetowards homes or people that
design like I do, um, because II find it just really inspiring
(49:07):
to get it from all all over.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
You just never know where, where it's gonna hit yeah
, yeah, and you, I think that um, one of the things that um, I
see from you as well, and Ithink I guess I feel the same.
I don't know about you, lauren,but how your personal style
with fashion kind of often cankind of been a thing like with
your personal style and yourinterior being, I guess, similar
(49:44):
, or is that something that'sevolved over time?
Speaker 3 (49:47):
as well.
Over time, my confidence withhow I dress has definitely been
maybe a slower burn than withthe other aspects of design.
Um, but I enjoyed gettingdressed up so much and I love.
I love color and pattern anddesign and I'm excited by in all
(50:07):
the different ways.
So I that's why I can neverchoose something.
Yeah, fashion is definitely upthere with things and I love,
you know, I love.
I've made my.
My house has this round brickturret room.
That was this originally builtas a study, but I got curved
rails made for it and it's just.
My wardrobe is so indulgentbecause it's it's quite massive
(50:30):
and it's very cool.
But I just go in there and I'mjust like I love this, this
makes me so happy and um yeah,and that this sort of freedom
and joy in self-expression is apowerful thing, and I think I
just find that more and more.
I just enjoy it and I loveshopping.
Speaker 1 (50:49):
Let's just be honest you know you actually just
nailed it because it is apowerful thing our environment
is so impactful to the way thatwe feel.
And you know, creating thoseenvironments that really make
you feel good, make you feeljoyful, make you feel relaxed,
(51:09):
make you feel calm or whateverit is that you're needing at
that point in time, you know itis worth taking the time and the
effort to figure it out foryourself.
And, yeah, I think that's it is.
We do underestimate it, but youknow I think that's it is.
We do underestimate it, but youknow, I think it comes back to
your yellow room and how a lickof paint can just be so
transformative and you walk inand you just you do have that
(51:33):
great feeling.
It is uplifting.
So I think that's a really yeah.
And I think you know the guidesin book.
They are really empowering forpeople to learn how they can do
it in their way.
There's some guides there howto mix pattern.
You know you've got that greatdiagram with the sofas and again
(51:54):
, if you're watching on YouTube,these will come up.
Speaker 3 (51:58):
Hopefully, if you don't mind, we can show.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
We can show yeah, just a great, great diagram mix
these cushions together, or youcan mix those cushions together.
You know here, here's how youcan mix different patterns and
fabrics, and you know it's justopening up a world of
possibilities for people so thatthey can create that little
corner in their home as well.
Speaker 3 (52:18):
I, that's really really beautiful and actually
important.
It's that thing about taking upspace.
Yeah, and about taking up space, and if there's anywhere that
you feel you should take upspace, surely it's in your own
home and you know, maybe that'sthe start of then how?
you go out into the world andand you take that, take those
good vibes, and you take that,you that you know yourself and
(52:40):
you trust yourself.
I think trusting yourselfactually might be the big thing.
I love that, oh, definitely, Ithink that comes back to that
confidence thing right, Totallythe trust.
Speaker 1 (52:51):
So good Evie.
Speaker 2 (52:53):
I feel like that's a good place for us to wrap our
chat, because I feel like we'vecovered so much, thank you.
What about our questions?
We'll jump onto that in asecond.
So if you're if you'relistening on on the podcast,
you'll need to jump over toYouTube for the bonus content.
But I thought I'd just finishwith like we'll tell us, you
(53:14):
know you, you've got the bookcoming out.
Do you think you'll writeanother book like what's next
for?
Speaker 3 (53:18):
you I I feel like this book is really the
culmination of, kind of the last10 years of my life and my work
.
So I don't I feel like this isa big, big deal for me right now
and I'm really excited to haveit out in the world and like
give it that space.
For me personally, I'verecently which is why I've got a
(53:38):
white wall behind me, which Iknow is really off brand.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
Yeah what's going on there.
Speaker 3 (53:45):
I've just recently taken over a studio space where
I want to be able to do kind ofbigger projects and also, yeah,
hire it out for cool events andhave a moving wall with
different colours on either sideand do lots more furniture
upcycling and, um, yeah, juststuff like that.
(54:05):
So that's that's kind of myfocus hopefully, if I just can,
just I can just get enough timeto keep, keep doing it.
But yeah, yeah.
So my studio, studio evie, ismy, is my new thing.
Yeah, that in the book thatbook?
Speaker 1 (54:19):
That is exciting.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
Amazing.
Well, we're going to wrap itfor the podcast now, but if you
want to hear some interestingpersonal things from Evie,
you'll need to jump over ontoYouTube and catch the bonus
content there.
Speaker 3 (54:34):
Thanks so much, Evie.
Speaker 1 (54:35):
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 3 (54:37):
It was so much fun.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
So thank you guys for listening in and just a quick
reminder if you would like somehelp with the interiors for your
own home, I can help you in acourse called the style studies
essentials, or um, for designersout there.
Speaker 2 (54:51):
Come into the design society for business and
marketing and all of the thingsyeah, and in the same show
you'll find a link to sign upfor my soon-to-be-released
furniture collections,pre-selected furniture
collections and cool trendinformation, and then, in the
future, some short courses onstyling and trends as well.
Speaker 1 (55:11):
So good Bree.
We've got the utmost respectfor the Wurundjeri people of the
Kulin Nation.
They're the OG custodians ofthis unceded land and its waters
, where we set up shop, createand call home and come to you.
From this podcast today, a bigshout out to all of the amazing
elders who have walked before us, those leading the way in the
(55:35):
present and the emerging leaderswho will carry the torch into
the future.
We're just lucky to be on thisjourney together.
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