Interior Design Trends to Leave Behind in 2024

Ever wondered how a simple color can encapsulate the mood of an entire era? Join us as we unpack Pantone's 2025 Color of the Year, "Mocha Moose," a warm neutral brown that speaks volumes about the world's yearning for comfort and security amidst economic unpredictability. This nostalgic shade echoes early 2000s design trends, highlighting how past styles are reshaping modern interiors. 

Navigate the often overwhelming world of interior design trends with us, as we advocate for personal style and individuality over conformity. Trends can serve as a source of inspiration, but they shouldn't dictate your personal tastes. With a nod to the iconic "Devil Wears Prada" speech, we discuss the trend bell curve—revealing how cultural influences trickle down from innovators to the mainstream. Our insights aim to inspire listeners to break free from repetitive design clichés, urging them to add character and depth to their spaces through diverse materials and thoughtful design choices.

From critiquing the uninspired aesthetics of reality TV's "The Block" to debating the merits of glossy white vs. black kitchens, our episode traverses the evolving landscape of modern interior design. We challenge the dominance of monotonous styles and share our enthusiasm for trends like "color drenching" and diverse coastal designs. 

As we wrap up, we share exciting plans for our future Design Anatomy Design Tour in Milan and Paris ( our 2025 Design Tour has sold out already), inviting listeners to join our creative journey. 

Celebrate the art of interior design with us, one trend at a time.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Design Anatomy, the interior design
podcast hosted by friends andfellow designers.
Me, auren Lee.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
And me, Bree Banfield , with some amazing guest
appearances along the way.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
We're here to break down everything from current
trends to timeless style.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
With a shared passion for joyful, colour-filled and
lived-in spaces, we're excitedto share our insights and
inspiration with you.
Lived in spaces.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
We're excited to share our insights and
inspiration with you.
So, good Bree.
Before we get started, I justwanted to remind you guys that
the Style Studies Essentialscourse is closing soon.
So if you wanted to make yourhome the best it could be, or
maybe even gift it to thatperson, that's really hard to
buy for.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
What a good idea.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
The gift of style, the gift of style.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
I love it.

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That's open and you can also jump into the Design
Society if you want to learnabout running your own interior
design business.
At the moment, we're alltalking about procurement, which
is, you know, purchasing onbehalf of clients, and we're
running a short training aboutthat, just like the real good
info link in the show notes.
For all of that, too, whatabout you?
What's going on, brie?

Speaker 2 (01:12):
uh, yeah, jump in and subscribe.
I mean, we're going to betalking about trends today and
if you subscribe to mynewsletter you can get a little
more about trends regularly fromme, um, and also just info on
some short courses we'll berunning next year and our design
it packages, which are acurated collection of benetton

(01:33):
decor so that you can create alook designed by me in your home
on your own.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Well, with some support with you as support,
with giving your gorgeous style,which is just yeah, I mean, I
guess that's the beauty of ityou could have that one-on-one
and we were just talking forabout an hour before we started
recording.
You know about our clients andyou know it is a lot of work
that one-on-one with clients.

(02:00):
But you know buying acollection that you have already
pre-selected.
You know you're getting to workwith three and you get you're
doing the hands-on, pulling ittogether yourself, but you've
got that style as a guide.
Is that right, bree?

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, that's exactly it.
And we also offer like little30-minute consults with me even
before you purchase thecollection, in case you're not
sure which one to go with, orafterwards, if you just have
some specific questions aboutyour space and how something
would work.
So the support's there too socool.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
So today we are talking about all of the trend
that we've seen in 2024, what wethink is going to be moving on,
and today we saw the Pantonecolour release, so perhaps by
the time you're listening to,this you've seen it, so we
thought we would touch on thatfirst.
What did you think about it,brie?

(02:57):
Yeah, I wasn't super surprised.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
I thought it might've been something along the lines
of, in that, I guess, brownfamily.
It's a pretty nice color, butit's not.
I wouldn't say it's an excitingcolor.
I think it's a comforting color, which is why it's not
surprising that that's the waythey've gone.
We would have seen this happenprobably in the early 2000s,

(03:21):
when there was maybe a similarglobal mood.
There's a lot of uncertainty inthe world at the moment.
You know there's a bit of aneconomic downturn in a lot of
countries.
We're all worried about so manydifferent things.
So comforting colours tend to bewhere we drift towards, and we
did see a rise in neutrals thisyear for that same reason as

(03:44):
well.
So we want warmth and comfortand we want to feel secure and
kind of cocooned in our spaces.
So browns do that.
And the one they've chosen is apretty neutral brown, like it's
not super deep or it's not aheap of red in it.
It's quite, I guess, a veryusable color, so it would be an

(04:06):
easy one to use, like in abedroom I think I could probably
refer back to.
Maybe Dulux Guitar is a goodbrown.
That's sort of similar.
That might even be still toored compared to the Pantone one
which is called Moccamoose,which makes me hungry.
Really it does.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
I know some of the visuals have looked quite tasty,
but so yeah, it's reallyinteresting when you, you know,
you said these kind of cycleshappen.
Early 2000s I was working atAdairs because I was going
through uni and it was all aboutthe chocolate faux fur throws
of the couch and that was justthe vibe chocolate brown was and

(04:49):
there was also like a fauxsuede chocolate quilt cover.
Oh, so disgusting but thosethings sold so much remember
remember the micro macro suede.
Yes, that was huge.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
I had a sofa in that macro suede.
It was charcoal gray um, whichwas fun at the time.
But around that same time Ibought my bed, which I still
have, and that's brown um, and Ithink I painted a bedroom brown
at the time too, and it wasthat quite.
I guess it's a bit great, thegrayed off sort of brown, the

(05:23):
very neutral brown tone whichreminds me of this mocha mousse.
Yeah, so it's very much anearly 2000s kind of moment.
I think that we're kind ofheaded back to and, given that
you know, there's all this talkof nostalgia, particularly with
fashion going back to like early2000s fashion.
We're seeing young womenwearing like what we would have

(05:43):
been wearing and like what thehell?
Is that already back?
but yeah I guess this is what.
This is what happens withtrends.
It is quite cyclic um and it'scyclic because humans are we're
cyclic beings and things kind ofcome back around and the world
repeats itself.
Like what happens in the world,history does repeat itself.
It is not just a clichéd saying, it is true.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
Hmm, interesting.
Yeah, this mocha mousse colour.
It does have, as you said, moreof a pinkish undertone.
It's not a chocolate espressokind of colour, it's a little
bit clay sort of a little tiny.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
It looks really pink on your screen, but actually on
mine it doesn't look that pink.
Well, I think this is the thingas well.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
In the Pantone visuals.
They do show a range ofdifferent kind of colours within
that family.
Yeah, and what's strange is thatI sometimes write a column for
the design files and back in Ithink it was August 2019, I
wrote a story about brown and Iknow that when that went live

(06:55):
that story, a few people werelike, oh my God, gross, no way,
not ready for that, not ready.
So I was just noticing that Iwas seeing brown, yeah coming up
, and when we're also talkingabout a colour like brown, we
don't mean paint all of yourwalls that colour.
It's often those brown tones areshown in even timbers, the tone
of a timber, or even in a toneof a wool blanket on a bed or

(07:19):
something like that.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah so you don't always have to think about it as
an overall paint color, becausesometimes they don't really
express themselves so great in apaint color although perhaps it
could, particularly those colorof the years where it's not
coming from a paint company andit's coming from a company that
just talks about color in ageneral way and they're talking
about packaging and, um, youknow, products, uh, you know

(07:43):
fridges and appliances.
Yeah, graphic design.
So it's like when they choose acolour it's got to kind of
cover all of those differentindustries in terms of a
direction, I suppose.
So it's always better to lookat the Dulux colour forecast for
your best colour advice forpaint.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
You know, to be fair, I love that plug, but I
actually do look at your colourforecast that you do for jewel
likes just to.
Sometimes it's good to see thedifferent neutrals if you're
looking for a white, but just tosee how colours look in a space
.
It's so helpful and then I'llorder in the swatches, just
that's just a really goodjumping off point.

(08:20):
I find that really interesting.
But you know, as you mentionedthe Pantone colors, they don't
always translate to interiors,but I think to this year.
Today we have seen a color thatreally does reflect what we
have been seeing in interiors.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
So it's a win for us and interesting.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
I feel like the color of the year was definitely Brat
.
It was the Charlie.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
XCX.
Yes, that's what it should havebeen.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
It should have just been like an acid green, right?
Yeah, and even that's a y2ksort of vibe, if, if I recall.
Do you think that's a yeah,early 2000s color too?

Speaker 2 (08:55):
yeah, I'm true, yeah, absolutely kind of influenced
by almost like a I would havesaid back then kind of the
hip-hop, almost like a little80s revival back in the early
2000s, that sort of Y2K neons,you know, like the neon stuff
that came through, yeah, yeahall coming around and around.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
So I guess that brings us to the topic of what
are we going to be seeing lessof next year, what are we going
to be saying goodbye to for 2024?
So yeah, as I said, brie and Iwe had a bit of a chat before
this to kind of talk about whatwe think.
What do you want to start with,brie?

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Well, I think we do need to start with our
disclaimer that we discussed,because we'll have people come
at us obviously when we start tosay this is out and done, and
it's always very can be quiteinflammatory to discuss trends
and what's in trend and not, youknow, what's out of vogue.
Um, this is our general opinion, but I think we both stand by

(09:55):
that.
If you love something, you youuse it, you keep it, you don't
just like throw it out becausewe said it's out.
Um, and I'm always.
I guess the way I tell peopleto use trends is more for
inspiration.
So if they're looking forinspiration and change, then
they should look to trends andlook at what people are saying

(10:17):
about what's happening, just tokind of get that inspiration,
but not to blindly follow them.
I think you know still need tofollow your own style and taste
and what you love, and who caresif it's not on trend?
That's my take on it, thedisclaimer.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
I agree the disclaimer.
So we love you if you lean intowhat you love.
So just you know, take whatwe're saying with a grain of
salt.
But if you love interiors, likeBree and I do, take what we're
saying with a grain of salt.
But if you love interiors, likeBree and I do, and you enjoy
seeing what's coming out, what'snew, how things evolve and

(10:54):
change, then listen in, becausewe have opinions.
Oh, so exactly.
And I mean you know we've talkedabout this before about how we
interpret trends.
And you know I've got this sortof chart that I've looked at.
It's like the trend bell curveand it shows, you know, who are
those innovators, who are thoseearly adapters, when does it
become mainstream at the top ofthat bell, and then when do you

(11:16):
get the late adapters, adopters,adopters, adapters I don't know
, am I talking about PowerPoints?
And then it's got the laggards.
You know the people right atthe bottom of that bell curve
that you know everybody's seenit, everyone feels safe seeing
it, and then they're like, oh, Iam really used to seeing that
now, now, I'm going to jump on.

(11:37):
So sometimes it really dependswhere you are in that whole
cycle of the trend.
You might sort of think, youknow what I don't even look at
trends.
I don't care about trends, butmaybe you're a laggard Just
saying.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
And I feel like you know, what we're probably going
to talk about mostly today isthe stuff that is definitely at
the tapered end and it's whenyou start.
For me, it's like as soon asyou start to see that in you
know, kmart or one of the sortof, I guess, discount type
places to purchase things,that's when you can kind of you
know it's kind of hit that pointbecause it's got to start

(12:10):
somewhere and then filterthrough.
It's literally the Devil WearsPrada speech.
If we wanted to do that right.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Classic classic.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Cerulean.
Cerulean.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
Yes.
Which I love yeah it's just Ialways think about that, yeah,
and I think that you know thereare some people you know in
australian interior design thatI can think of that don't follow
trends.
They sort of set the trends.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Yes, um, if I'm just thinking of my head they're
still part of it, and why do?
They go to milan brie for thegelato inspiration?
Oh well, why not?
That's what I go for.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
I mean totally um, but you know, there's like fiona
lynch doing things that I'mlike wow, I've never seen that
done.
I think david flack definitelyhas his own lane and his own
aesthetic.
Um, hecker guthrie, veryidentifiable aesthetic, and I
feel like that that termtimeless is so overused, but I

(13:05):
really feel like they know whothey are as designers and they
they stick to that, but italways still seems fresh, um.
YSG yeah, totally yeah, yeah andI think the reason why they
feel, um, not like they'refollowing a trend is because
there is such a innovation intheir design and, you know, you

(13:28):
might not love all of that.
And sometimes you know forinstance, you know the YSG house
that you're probably familiarwith Zoe Foster Blake and Tamish
Blake's home it's just patternand color overload.
It's not for everyone, but it'soriginal, it's innovative, it's
exciting.
It's not for everyone, but it'soriginal, it's innovative, it's
exciting.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
It's fun to talk about.
Yeah, machine-wound days yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
It is, and I feel like you know they're sort of
setting a trend in terms of noteveryone's going to have, you
know, a mosaic patterned floor,a stripy stone benchtop
patterned floor a stripy stonebenchtop, but they might take a
strike and they'll grab on thatpart and take out, and a new
trend could almost come out ofthat.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Um so, anyway, it's really interesting yeah, I mean
we could talk, I could talkabout that for ages, the whole.
We're not a part of, or wedon't follow, trends, which is
which is fine and and that'sexactly what we're talking about
.
They don't necessarily followit.
However, they're definitelypart of the cycle.
You can't escape it.
We're all part of, I guess,what creates a trend?

(14:33):
Because we're influenced bywhat's going on around us.
So when a lot of us areexperiencing the same thing,
that's when a trend emerges.
We're all experiencinguncertainty hello browns and
neutrals and tactility andwarmth.
So it can be.
I mean, I'm obviously breakingit down very simplistically and

(14:54):
it's a lot more complicated thanthat, but that's basically what
happens.
And the same thing happens atthe top end of design.
You know there could bedesigners in Melbourne, london
and Los Angeles all seeing andexperiencing similar
inspirations and influences, andthen you start to see them
producing things that aresimilar, but it's not because

(15:16):
they all saw each other's workand went I'm going to copy that
or I'm going to follow that.
It's just because that's whatwas created and distilled
through their creative lens andthey happen to, you know, and it
might only be like threeprojects.
And then you pick up onsomething and go oh, look at
that, there's a similarity there.
Why are they all doing thatwhen they don't know each other?
They're in different countries.

(15:38):
It's just we are heavilyinfluenced by what is around us.
So, anyway, that's my littletake on that.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
I agree and I think that you know trends.
You could think about it as afrivolous thing, that doesn't
mean anything.
But I think about millennialpink and when that was predicted
I think it was predicted byPantone I couldn't tell you
which year it was.
If you slapped millennial pinkon a coffee mug, it would fly
off shelves simply because ofthat color it was.

(16:06):
So there is so much power inthat and what?
was the um the Pantone colors.
It was like Pantone um wentfrom pink to blue um it merged
two colors together oh, yeah,they had two colors.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yeah, yeah, 2015 and do you know what that reminds me
of?
It reminds me of taylor,swift's lover album.
Is that the album.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yeah, so it's almost like an ombre-ish situation,
right exactly.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
It comes through all different ways, even touching
music and the things we buyunconsciously.
So I think you know.
You know, back to the DevilWears Prada Miranda Priestly.
I think she said it better thananyone.
I won't quote it word for word,but basically it was when he
said what's her name?
The girl working as an internwears a blue sweater and she

(17:00):
doesn't care about that kind offashion stuff.
Andy, that's the one.
And then Miranda, you know,based on Vogue's Anna Wintour,
says oh, you think that thatfashion stuff doesn't affect you
?
Well, that sweater was shown onthe runway by Christian Dior in
this year and it filtered down.
Now you dragged it out of somebargain basement bin.
So, even though she didn't know, she was influenced by that

(17:24):
colour chosen by those verypeople in the room.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
It's a great scene.
So.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
I think that-.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
As long as there's capitalism as well what's going
to happen.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
People are buying stuff.
Yes, people are going to buythings.
And people are going to buythings, but they also.
If you're going to renovateyour home and you're going to
going to spend three hundredthousand dollars, then wouldn't
you want to really think aboutyour choices?
It's not just a frivolous buythat you're just going to, you
know, make on a decision on awhim.

(17:56):
So all of these things arereally important and they, they
do matter and they do influencethe way we feel in a space.
Anyway, I'm probably talking tothe converted here anyway
everyone that's listeningprobably hopefully but if you
have a different point of view,I would love to know, like,
please, like, give us, give usyour thoughts on that, because

(18:17):
I'm always thinking about thisthing yeah so really open to
hear what you guys think yeah,it can be quite heated
discussion.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
I think sometimes people do get passionate about
about trends yeah, I get it andwhat they mean.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
It does've been sold stuff.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
I feel like that's a whole.
We could almost just have likea whole.
Well, maybe we'll do that.
We'll do a whole trend thing.
We'll bring another trendforecaster in and have a chat
about trends and the why oftrends, et cetera.
That'll be fun.
That would be fun.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
So what do you think we're seeing?
Yes, let's talk about autumn.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
What have we seen right?
What did we see this year?
And we've written some thingsdown, but I'm sure we'll think
of others along the way.
I think a really big one that'sprobably like I emerged a few
years back now is biophilicdesign, so design influenced by
nature, or even just as basic ashouses full of plants.

(19:11):
I definitely think that'stapered off.
In terms of that plant, uh, Idon't know the look of it being
like a jungle in the in the room, which I actually like.
I love my plants.
I've got one next to me.
It looks like it's dying.
Actually, I don't love themenough.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
Let's say that's a great example.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
I should read the school of planning they do do
like plants in a space, but Ithink what's changing is maybe a
bit less and maybe they're alittle more curated and it's
like the focal point of a room.
What do you think?

Speaker 1 (19:44):
I agree.
I think instead of having lotsof little pots with lots of
plants everywhere, go for astatement tree or a statement
plant something with beautifulbig leaves um it's just more
impactful.
I think it just looks cleanerin a space and I think that I
won't say no to any plants.

(20:04):
I think plants add that organicshape in a room that can really
break up all the straight linesof architecture, so they really
do give some relief to the eye.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yes, yes, I agree.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
But yeah, I think, a statement plant.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah, maybe not as a whole, the whole, I guess,
character of a room, maybepulling that back a little bit
and letting other things,because I still think biophilic
design is an influence, but Ithink it's maybe filtered across
into more organic materials andinfluence of nature and not
just hey, here's a heap ofplants in a room.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Okay, so what do we think about organic shapes?

Speaker 2 (20:46):
So I really love the fact that we've had all these
beautiful curbs in furniture and, you know, curved walls and
adding, I guess, a softness tothings, and we sort of saw that
come through, almost like a bitof a feminine influence.
But I do think now it can'tjust be about that Like we need

(21:08):
some relief from it, don't we?
We need some contrast.
What do you think?

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Well, I agree, and I've seen some beautiful
sculptural sofas that are inthese kind of curved shapes.
However, have you sat in them?

Speaker 2 (21:27):
No, I haven't actually.
What are you?
Saying they're just too, likenot squishy enough.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Well, it depends what you need, doesn doesn't it?
Are we talking about your sofawhere all the kids, just you
know, want?
To watch netflix and play videogames for hours and whatever.
Or is this a sofa in your goodroom that?
is mostly for visual to look at,and when you've got guest
entertainment you know you don'tactually want to sink right

(21:55):
into a sofa.
You do want to sit a little bitupright.
But they're just not allcreated equally.
I think there's some that aresublime.
I know that Zuby sorry GoobyGooby do some really beautiful
ones.
I don't know that brand, butthen you do see some kind of
other ones that you can just seeare probably aren't the same
quality and that they don't havethe same more refined, elegant

(22:18):
shape.
They're a bit more on theblobby side and almost that kind
of leads into what we see a lotof these upholstered in which
is a boucle right.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
In the old cream color which I'm so done with.
I love a boucle and it'sexactly what you said before
about the sofas Not all of themare equal, right, there's some
really beautiful boucles that Iguess, have a little bit of
depth, have a really great feel.
But now, because cream bouclewas such a huge trend, there's

(22:51):
really cheap stuff out therethat just leaves me feeling, you
know, there's really cheapstuff out there that just leaves
me feeling, you know, um, but Ido like, I think, because I
love that texture, I think theway to go is just to not do
cream and to look at, you know,a little bit more color in a
boucle or even, like you know,flex in it, like there's those
beautiful like redact fabrics.

(23:12):
I mean we're talking a bithigh-end there but they have,
you know, the flex through themand the texture or their kind of
tonal differences.
So I think it's just making ita little more sophisticated than
the basic cream boucle.
I think we've got to move onfrom that.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Exactly, and I've got a sample it's a beautiful
Pierre Frey boucle and it ismade up of wool, mohair, alpaca,
cotton, so it's absolutelybeautiful.
I think the thing with bouclesis when they're too, the bubbles
are kind of too consistent.
It doesn't give you that real,that yummy depth that you get

(23:50):
with these ones.
Mind you, this is probably $600a meter, but you know, we can
hope right.
Well, we like the good stuff.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yeah, I think the key is and maybe with a lot of this
stuff, even organic andbiophilic and a boucle, the
connection is that what we wantto see now is a little more
imperfection.
We don't want things to be, um,you know, really perfect, which
is kind what.
When I think about cream bouclenow, I think of like an

(24:17):
over-styled sort of stuffy roomthat's a bit too formal.
You know what I mean with thatsort of like.
Well, no one sit on that sofa,and that's what I think when we
think about organic shapes andthat that curved cream boucle
sofa feels like no one's allowedto sit on it.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
Well, I mean, you know that I've got a white
boucle armchair and it does getsat on and it is no longer white
, of course.
But you know, I'm just like.
You know we live here, this isit, and I suppose I'm not like
everybody maybe listening.
If you're not working ininteriors, you probably don't

(24:54):
think like that, but for me I'mlike make it as dirty as you
like, I can't wait toreupholster it.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
I get to reupholster it.
I mean, I could clean it.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
That is also an option, but I think I'll just
reupholster it instead.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
The little Bizzle cleaner out?
I've got one of those.
They're handy.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
Oh, you can come over and go for your life if you
like.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
I'll bring it over, I'll give it to the kids to do.
They'll love it.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Oh, thank you, love that I shouldn't do a TikTok.
I'm sure that would go well.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
I think formality is out and imperfection is in.
That's a good way to put it.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
I reckon that sounds like it makes sense.
I mean, we have just beenbombarded with AI that I
actually am feeling a little bitfatigued by it and I'm actually
quite overly sensitive toseeing a lot of AI.
And don't get me wrong, I'msuch a fan of AI I even have a
course on how to do it forinterior designers Create your

(25:50):
own visuals Use chat, gpt.
I'm a huge fan of it, but when Ijust see great big slubs of
text being used, passed off assomeone else's, or all of these
really tacky kind of like AIimages, it's just turning me off
a bit.
So seeing something that looksreal and feels authentic and
lived in.
It just feels more my vibe.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yeah, totally yeah.
It's almost like that movetowards lo-fi rather than
everything being kind of perfectand honed and digital, Like we
kind of want a little moregrittiness and grunge in our
lives maybe, well, that's right.
Realness is the right word.
I think Realness yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
The mocha mousse might even speak to that.
It's a bit of an anti-AI colorin a way.
Yeah, yeah, because it is verynatural, yes, natural earthy you
know what else is a little bitoverdone, and I'm afraid that I
don't want to offend anyonebecause I still do love an arch,
but I think we just need tojust just be selective of where

(26:52):
we're putting arches.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
So 100, as I said don't get me wrong.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
Arches are absolutely beautiful and timeless in terms
of you know I'm thinking of theroman empire and all of this.
You know, amazing, beautiful,timeless type of architecture
and structure and there isalways going to be a place for
arches, but I feel like we havereached peak arch and I don't

(27:17):
know if we need yeah, it's apeak, it's a pointy arch, no
same.
Maybe that's what it needs to benow a like a more of a um
cathedral it's a mountain, it'smore like it's sort of an arch
um, no, I agree, I do reallylove an arch.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
I love it in furniture.
I like it done well ininteriors in terms of like
structure.
But I do think now we'regetting the whole.
Let's just put an arch here,because arches are in and that's
when it sort of goes well.
No, they need to make sense whythey're there and it needs to
still be beautiful Just becauseit has an arch doesn't make it

(27:57):
cool.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Yes, I think that I mean even arches in architecture
, you know, sort of like createa nice portal from going from,
say, for instance, a Victorian,you know original terrace into a
new extension.
I think that's a beautiful wayto transition, but I think it's
when we're seeing arches as amotif, used for mirrors, used
for decor, items used as a motif, I think that's overdone.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
Yeah, the thing that often you see in the same genre
as arches is the squiggle or thewave motif right, which also I
love, because for me kind ofharks back to like Memphis and
80s which is kind of my vibe.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
But I feel like we're on the verge of that now being
in the same category as the archright, the squiggle detail on
things exactly, and I think thatthe thing with trends is that I
love seeing new things and thenwhen I've seen it, and it's
great, and I think it's fun toyou know use in our spaces, but
then we start to get reallyfatigued by it and I think the

(29:03):
wave and squiggle.
we are feeling so fatiguedbecause we've seen it too many
times.
It's not that we don't like itanymore, it's just that we've
seen it too many times and we'rejust like it's not exciting
anymore.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Yeah, I'm like that with music sometimes, like if I
go back and look at my favoritealbums, um, and everyone's
favorite is, like you know,pearl Jam, better man, I'm like
there's just better songs on thealbum and that everyone just
loves that because that was thesingle and it got played all the
time.
Everyone knows the words and Idon't not like it, but I got
really sick of it.
Yeah, so it's not my favoritesong, because those other songs

(29:36):
that I just much I don't know.
I preferred that weren't thesingles.
I get like that.
I'm often.
With the singles I'm like, yeah, that one's all right.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
But yeah, yeah, you're a b-side, that's probably
going against it.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yes, that sort of probably goes against popular
opinion with most things thatthat would almost drive me to
not like the song because it wasthe one that just and I guess
it's probably a bit less nowbecause back then it was radio
is where you heard everything.
Now you sort of choose yourstreaming, but it would have
been a fatigue of it, like justhearing it too much, like I'm
over this now, don't want tohear it and you know what it was
.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
I think it was our generation as well.
Like in the 90s, it was uncoolto be popular.
As soon as nirvana were popular, they hated themselves because
that were popular, whereas nowthat's not even a thing.
If someone's popular,everyone's like oh that's great.
I love it.
You want to.
You know you want to have sellout concerts and stuff great,
whereas you know, hell jam, theytotally rebelled against that

(30:30):
as well.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
They were like these tickets yeah, it was the grand
jira cheaper, yes, yes, so it adifferent we have that in the
back of our mind.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
So we kind of want to rebel against everything that's
really popular.
The rebellious generation.
I know, I know it was too cool,it was just really bad and the
mainstream was bad.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Anyway, I feel like, talking about fatigue, I'm going
to.
I'll come back to the pointwe've got next.
But I'm going to.
I'll come back to the pointwe've got next, but I'm going to
jump straight because it's justa good little segue about
fatigue.
Venetian plaster, oakfloorboards and steel frame
doors or windows and super whiteor Calcutta or some sort of
gray marble, please stop.
All those things can existseparately or whatever, but that

(31:13):
, that formularic kind ofinterior, did I make that word
up?
Formularic is a word, isn't itit so?

Speaker 1 (31:19):
is.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
It sort of just repeats it, and we've seen it
now so much that it could be themost high-end house.
But when that's done it's likemeh give me something else.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
I agree it is a formula.
I think that's where I drop offwhen I see a formula and it's
so tasteful that it's a littlebit too safe for me.
But if that's what you love,and I mean it's lovely, it's
nice.
Is it exciting?
Oh yeah, it's not awful.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
I just it's that fatigue of seeing it over and
over again.
I think that I just want tomove on.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Yeah, and I think we are moving away from it.
I think there are somearchitects that really hold on
to it and they almost have thatbag of samples that they pull
out.
You get that.
You get that.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Definitely I won't name names, but absolutely there
are some particular architectsor designers who definitely have
that look.
And I wouldn't even go as farto say that it's quite a
Melbourne look as well.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
I agree.
I find it can be quiteunimaginative.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
It can be.
Is it uncreative a word?
The opposite?

Speaker 2 (32:28):
And maybe this is kind of where trends go wrong,
because I think sometimes it'sperpetrated by the client,
because such and such up theroad had oak floorboards and
steel frames and they want tohave that.
So there's kind of this market,I think, where there are, in a
particular kind of level, wherethe clients are actually not
doing it because they love itnecessarily.

(32:49):
They're doing it because otherpeople have done it.
So then that's kind of where itcan be like a negative thing,
you know, like keeping up withthe people in the street or
almost the thing that we'vetalked about before, of like, oh
well, if we sell this, we needit to look like those other
houses that sold for that price,kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
You know.
So it kind of becomes a bit ofa negative, and maybe that's how
it happened.
I have a feeling that peoplethat are renovating or building
and they've got the oak floors,the super white marble, the
black steel frame, they thinkthat they're not following
trends and that what they'rewanting is something timeless.
Ah the time.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Yes, see, now there's a line between timeless and
boring, and that look is also.
I find it boring now noteveryone does but that look is
not timeless anymore becauseit's now been done so much
within this particular moment intime that that will mark this
moment in time.
It's, like you know, it'll bethe last two years, or even five

(33:44):
, let's say the last two years.
I reckon it really probablypeaked last year, but that is
now no longer timeless to mebecause it's going to start to
look dated as we move on.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
I think I think what you need and I think it's a
beautiful base.
I think it's a beautiful base,but I think if you're putting
your white boucle sofa on there,it's too much.
You need to put a coloured sofaon there and those archways.
Go for like a beautiful blue,light blue sofa and a burgundy
accent or something just youknow you can layer over it.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
You need to cut through.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
Yes, yes, burgundy accent or something.
Just you need to layer over itthrough.
Yes, yes, and maybe instead ofsuper white stone, choose a
stone that's a little bit morecharacterful um, but yeah,
absolutely.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
I mean, there's so many amazing stones out there.
I think that's why I wouldalways get so frustrated when I
would see that same look all thetime.
You know if you've ever been into a showroom or a stonemason
or to just wander through theaisles of stone.
There's so much beauty in thatstuff that, like, why is
everyone choosing that?

(34:44):
Like it was sort of driving mea little bit crazy.
Yeah.
And having said that, if anyonewants to give me a house that
has oak floorboards and superwhite and steel frame doors and
arches, I wouldn't say no either.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
But you would make it look fabulous and I do think
that, to be fair, it is a veryeasy space to decorate onto
because it is a neutral palette.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
It is very neutral, yeah, that's so true, and it's
classy, it's not tacky.
No, no, yeah, but I do think ithas been just done to death.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
I agree, Bree and I are going to do another episode
about what we're predicting.
So if you're sort of listeninggoing yeah, yeah, well, what do
you think then we're just goingto have to tune in for the next.
Yeah, yeah, we'll come back tothat, yeah because we have you
know, we have ideas on what weare predicting for 2025 as well,
so stay with it All right.

(35:37):
And I suppose you know theVenetian plaster, oak steel
frame, super white marble isbeautiful, but it can lean a
little too much into the vanillalook.
So what we mean is that wheneverything is just really
watered down, really Not toosafe, too safe, there's no depth

(35:59):
, there's, there's actuallynothing that even tells you.
Yeah, yeah, like who the person?

Speaker 2 (36:04):
is and who's living there.
Right, it's display home kindof vibes, which I've seen some
beautiful display homes, by theway, don't get me wrong.
Um, but I would say, and wewere looking at uh, I'll bring
up the controversial the block,which I don't watch anymore.
I did used to watch a long timeago and I found it more
interesting.
Then I was looking at some ofthe spaces and vanilla is

(36:25):
probably the best way to put it.
I think it was some of the worststuff that I've seen from a
block year, just because it wasjust so nothing, but also very
kind of honestly, vanilla isliterally the best word.
There's no kind of contrast orum or direction.
I'm talking mostly about theliving spaces.
I didn't delve into all theother rooms, but even the

(36:48):
kitchens were saying like,looking at the kitchens are all
pretty stock standard I don'tknow I mean, I don't know what
I'm expecting of the blockeither, but well, I think the
thing I'm just trying to give anexample, more than anything the
thing is with the block is thatwe have clients that come to us
saying I saw this on the block.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
So the thing is it's a lot of people watch it.
So it is a valid topic to bringup and, to be fair, I haven't
watched the block for a while.
I mean, I kind of remember theKyle and Cara era, josh and
Jenna era it was fun to watch.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yeah, I thought they were more interesting years.
I don't know what it was aboutit, and I do think that maybe
there were, I think maybe therewere boundaries pushed on some
of those years and that wasn'talways right.
And as designers, we'll alwayscomplain about the fact that
everything looks veryunrealistic and people think you
know that a bathroom can bedone in two days or something.
But back then I think theywould.
I mean, they obviously wantedto win and make the money, but I

(37:48):
feel like it was also abouttrying to make a bit more of a
statement with what they weredoing.
And now maybe it's all justbecome way too safe because it's
just about winning the, youknow, getting the most money.
And I think this year my sonwas telling me that actually one
guy bought every single housein the end, oh my god.
So he basically got to choosewho won, in a way, by which one
he paid the most for so I'm like, well, it's interesting, isn't

(38:09):
it?

Speaker 1 (38:10):
yeah, a little bit well I'm just having a look here
, yeah, and there's um courtneyand grant.
They have done a really nicekitchen.
I'll give them props for that,um, but there's some of the
other ones it's actually more.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
Is that the light timber?

Speaker 1 (38:20):
one.
It's actually more of a walnuttimber.
And then they've got thisreally characterful stone that
they've used.
I'm not sure it doesn't tell mewhat it is.
It's got a terracotta tile onthere.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
It's a really beautiful play on texture, I
don't think I saw that one.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
The styling's done quite well.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
I don't know others on there that look 10 years old
and that's yeah.
That's why I thoughtinteresting, just the furniture
and things too.
I was just a bit surprised.
I just went oh god, these areworse than I expected in terms
of the styling and I I get theyhave limitations and all of that
stuff um, and they're notprofessional designers.
But I think if you're lookingfor an example of what we're
talking about as a very vanillainterior, just literally, the
living rooms in those spaceswere just just sort of very

(39:04):
uninspiring and yeah, it couldbe anywhere like bad, I feel,
like bad display home vibes well, I think, because it was based
in philip island, they've gonecoastal, which just means white
wash, blonde timbers, butthere's not that depth there and
it's weird how, because coastalcan be done well, right,
absolutely.

(39:24):
I just don't think it was.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
Exactly Like how we've interpreted coastal for
some reason is just there is somuch to enjoy about being on the
coast and the beach.
I even wrote a whole book aboutit.
Oh, you did too, and you canbuy that on her website.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
Go and have a look.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
Yes, I'll sign a copy for you.
Pop it under your Christmastree.
Thanks for that little one.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Oh, it's a perfect Christmas gift.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
But I think this is the thing you know.
When I started diving into it,I'm like what does a beach in
Denmark look like?
What does a beach in the westcoast of France look like?
compared to the south coast ofFrance, like there's so much,
but why have we somehow just gotthis really bland vanilla, as
you say concept of what thebeach and what coastal looks

(40:12):
like, you know?
So, yeah, with the book I tryto draw on different aspects of
the beach, you know.
Are we talking about texture?
Are we talking about wintertime?
Are we talking about activities?
on the beach um you know we'retalking about texture.
Are we talking about wintertime?
Are we talking about activitieson the beach and the lively
sort of?
You know there's so much butyet we've got.
We're really um undersellinghow great the beach is in in my
mind with this kind of coastalthat is definitely not what I

(40:35):
get from those interiors.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Yeah, no, um, the other thing we have on our list
is and I feel like this look hasbeen around for a while and
that's color drenching.
But I think drenching is thenew way that people started to
talk about it this year.
So for me, probably before thatand I don't think I've actually
ever used that term myself umwould be more about like an

(40:58):
immersive interior.
So I sort of see that as umwell know, even color blocking,
so it sort of all means the samething.
Right, they've just come upwith a new term for it we're
going to drench it in color.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
It was very grabby.
When I first heard that.
I was like, ooh, colordrenching, oh, I've never heard
that before.
It was very cool.
I don't know.
I'm still all for colordrenching.
I don't want to see white trims, I want to see color, the same
color, running on walls, doors,trims, ceiling, skirtings, like
everywhere.

(41:30):
Joinery, I just think that isjust so immersive.
I think that's a perfect word.
So I'm still predicting that weare not done with color
drenching yet.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
I think that we're definitely still going to see
lots of immersive colour, I willcall it, but I do think there
is a little bit of a movetowards a slightly and I guess
to me that's also like a tonalversion of that.
So, you know, we're talkingabout ceiling, walls, trims,
joinery.
It might be green, but slightlydifferent tones of green, for

(42:03):
instance, instance, and thatcould still be considered to be
an immersive space.
Um, I think what we're startingto see move towards is, uh,
just slightly more sophisticatedpalettes that bring in a little
bit of color, like contrast andand not as, not as tonal, but
100 on the whole.
You know, let's, let's stopdoing, uh, white trims with a
colored wall.
I'm sitting in my room it doingwhite trims with a coloured
wall.
I'm sitting in my room that haswhite trims with a coloured

(42:24):
wall, but I'm renting it.
I don't want to paint the trims.
It's a lot of work to paintthose back.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
Do not paint, that, don't do it there's limitations
and I mean this is why we aresaying we're just having a bit
of fun talking about this.
It doesn't saying that we're alittle bit fatigued with seeing
super white stone.
I think any natural stone isabsolutely beautiful.
Don't change it, for goodnesssake.

(42:49):
Like you know, you can style upyour kitchen to bring it a bit
more colour or whatever in there, but again, you know what we're
saying.
We're just having a bit of fun,so don't come at us.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
There'll be people that love the look.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
And having a bit of fun.
So don't come at us.
Yeah, there'll be people thatlove the look and I, I don't.
I don't begrudge them at all.
Yeah, well, another style thatI have seen a lot in the past
few years is farmhouse, a modernfarmhouse style, and I'm
wondering if we are seeing a bitof fatigue with that look and
again, I mean it is a beautiful,especially when it's so
stylized, right when it's toostylized.
I think that's what we're kindof coming is a beautiful natural
, especially when it's sostylized, right, when it's too
stylized.
I think that's what we're kindof coming up against, right Brie
Everything when it feels toouptight and not lived in.
That is where I'm like well,why?

(43:30):
What's the point?
Like it needs to be lived in.
But you know, I think there'sdesigners that do it beautifully
.
You know, amber Lewis comes tomind, comes to mind.
I would have to say I love theway she does it the most.
Studio McGee sometimes for me.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
I feel like Studio McGee might be the culprits of
why there was such a huge risein that farmhouse look right,
and that American kind ofinfluence because they became
such a huge hit and then theyhad the Netflix show.
So I do think that thatinfluenced the whole farmhouse
thing and it's probablydefinitely influenced why we're
a bit fatigued by it too, Ithink.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
Yeah, and I'm kind of curious to know what Amber
Lewis is going to do next, howthat style is going to evolve.
I also love Jake Arnold the wayhe does farmhouse.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
Yeah, he sort of does a little bit with a twist, like
he did Chrissy Teigen's andJohn Legend's house, which I
love, that's right yeah, I dolove that too.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
I mean, there's some insane moments in that house
that I go oh little, of coursethey're like they are superstars
, so why not?

Speaker 1 (44:32):
I'd have insane lean in exactly but so, but I think
again it comes down to there's aformula.
I think once that there's aformula with farmhouse.
You know, again, it's a prettyblonde timber oak, it's a
vintage sort of Persian stylerug, it is a linen sofa, it is a

(44:55):
maybe even an antique.
And it's those kitchens too,right, yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
The style of the range hood.
Maybe, it's kind of the shakerstyle doors which I actually
really love.
I love shaker style.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
I love it, but I think it's.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
I think it's exactly what you're saying, though it's
breaking that up and making itlike, evolving it into something
that has a farmhouse influence,but that you wouldn't go.
Oh, that's specificallyfarmhouse style, because it's
tick, tick, tick, tick, tick,tick, tick, a hundred percent.
Break it right.
We want to bring a little bitof something that's a bit
unexpected, or like what do yousay?
We call it?
Even just like mixing inmid-century, and yeah, like,

(45:32):
let's kind of make it your ownsort of thing.
Which I think brings us toanother trend is literally like,
I should say bespoke design,but I think it's more
individualism, like, um, Ishould say bespoke designed.
I think it's more individualismlike it's people going well
actually.
Yeah, no, farmhouse is cool,but I really want, you know, a
bright blue 80s piece offurniture in there.
Um, and that whole thing oflike using things that you love

(45:52):
and making it work for you sothat it tells that story of kind
of who you are.
I think that's becoming more ofa trend and that's why we're
kind of pushing back on thesevery formulary styles.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
Yeah, I agree, and I think it's also knowing what
your style is.
And then, as you say, puttingan opposite style in there I did
a style quiz.
It is hard, but I think yeah,with the style quiz, you know,
it asks you all these questionsand it tells you which one's
your most common answer.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
And then I created like a little diagram to show
you how to create like a bit ofan eclectic look.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
So the opposite style just have one piece of that
opposite style, and so it's likea little pie chart of different
styles, like a color wheel, butfor styles anyway, I kind of
got a bit carried away, but yeah, I actually need to go have a
look at that.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
I might take it.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
I might take it and check my style.
I'd love to know your take onit.
I don't know if yeah, um, but Ithink it's good to know what
your style is so that you canplay on that.
If you sort of don't know whatthe rules are, then how do you
know how to break them?

Speaker 2 (46:54):
and it ends up being a bit of a dog's breakfast, you
know yes, yeah, I know, and it'sall well and good for me to say
I'll make it your own and makeit individual.
But I know that also sometimesthat's quite overwhelming and
it's easier to sort of go well,I really like farmhouse, so
that's what I'm going to do and,again, don't begrudge anyone
for that.
So maybe this is why this kindof happens, is people can kind

(47:15):
of go well, I can just sort oftake that and then put it here
and then in my house.
But put it here and then in myhouse.
But we would encourage you tomake it your own is what we
would like to see?

Speaker 1 (47:22):
Absolutely, and if you literally live in a
farmhouse, then it makes sense.
Yeah, I think sometimes it'swhen these styles are out of
hand.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Don't do farmhouse style maybe, yeah.
I think if you live in apenthouse apartment, I want to
see 2000s minimalism and, if youlive in an apartment, I want to
see farmhouse.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
Exactly us, exactly barn doors.
Oh it's so some animals, even Idon't know some chickens.
You love it.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
You don't limit yourself you know, you can have
chickens if you live in a bigexactly ducks chickens.
That would be fun, though,actually to have ducks.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
They're cute, they are cute um another thing that
um, actually somebody mentionedthe other day that they thought
was leaving.
The trend sort of cycle isKitKat tiles or finger tiles.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
Yeah, that has hit a moment, hasn't it?

Speaker 1 (48:06):
Oh well, I think the thing is yes, it has.
I think when we're seeing awhite KitKat tile with the white
grout, it's like yes, it's justnothing exciting.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
It's like subway tiles right, it's the new
version of a subway.
Yes, but however, there's onesthat you can do.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
There are beautiful Japanese tiles that you can use,
you know, from Artidomas orAcademy Tiles, and they have
that handmade quality, and Ithink this is again what we're
sort of getting at Anything thathas a beautiful quality to it,
it doesn't date as easily.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Oh, I agree.
Yeah, invest well, and itdoesn't mean you have to spend a
fortune.
But, yeah, quality and handmadeand it brings it back to even
what I was saying before is theones that we're talking about.
There's an imperfect element tothem.
It's when something's like yeah, like shiny white Kit Kat but
those beautiful.
Japanese ones that have, likeyou know, even just the nuance

(48:58):
of color in them because of theway they've been fired.
Yeah, I don't think that wouldever date in a way.
Ooh is it timeless.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
Let's add that to our timeless list that we're
checking off.
What about black kitchens?
Or all white kitchens?

Speaker 2 (49:14):
I say hard, hard, hard no to both of those.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Did you want to think about that?
Particularly anything kind oflike glossy white in particular,
I would say oh yeah, it's just.
Yeah, I don't know, it's veryclinical.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Yeah, 90s, 2000s.
Um, you know, it is dated.
I think.
I think you can actually saythat that's dated and I think
it's, I think it's unimaginative, I think.
If, like, sorry, come me, ifyou've done a new house recently
or a renovation and you chose aglossy white finish, when there
are so many amazing choices outthere, why Is it something you

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really liked?
Because I question that.
I don't think there's someonewho goes I just love a glossy
white.
I mean, I'm sure there arepeople that love a glossy white
kitchen, but I think it's justbecause people are scared, think
that's a fear decision well,you know what's weird as well.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
I mean gloss.
I, I, I know.
I saw you in Milan and I saw somany gloss finishes not in
white, though, but not white.
That's the difference, yeahnever say, never as well.
Yeah, and I think that the keywith what you would have seen
too.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Sorry with the gloss stuff is that, yeah, it was
always like a colour, like anice, usually kind of deep, warm
colour.
But then it's how it's used,like what it's placed with.
I think when we talk about likea glossy kitchen, even if it
was a glossy coloured kitchen,it would still need to be broken
with something else to make itlike a knock.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
Definitely.
It's all about that contrast oftexture.
You can't have a glossyporcelain tile, a glossy cabinet
, a shiny polished stone andthen a you know shiny polished
or whatever splashback like.
It's all about that contrast oftexture.
Um, so yeah, I don't know.
I think black kitchens, I thinkwe're pretty fatigued with
seeing the black kitchen.

(51:00):
You know the fingerprint proof.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
I remember I was so excited when that came out.
But, I don't know the mattesort of finish in the black.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
It seems a bit commercial.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
Sorry, what's that?

Speaker 1 (51:14):
I sold out Black gloss yes.
Oh God, that makes me sick.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Is that what it's?
The white gloss, maybe even I'msorry.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
I think it is.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Yeah, it might be.
Might be.
It would be like a mirror,wouldn't it?
You'd be able to see yourselfin it.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
Maybe that's why people like it.
No, Other people are like oh,just the best yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
I just I'm totally digressing.
I'm getting the Friday sillies,see um laminates have got like a
black ply finish which Ithought looks really nice like a
like a chart, so that I thinkis different.
So like something that hascharacter and texture in black
and, depending on, obviously,how it's used in in the space, I
think is great like.

(51:54):
So that almost comes back to,um, that japanese uh, I'm gonna
say it wrong sh wrong shugibanaor something I don't know.
Hang on, let's look it up.
Sorry, I hadn't written any ofthat down, that was just a
simple top of my head, andsometimes those things come to
me and often they do not.
But it's that charred finishthat they do on the outside of a

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house to actually protect it.
So there's a whole kind ofreason behind that.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Yeah, shushugiban.
So it's like a charred, it'ssort of a painted Shu.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Shugi Ben yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
Well, it's not painted.
Shu Shugi.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
No, it's not painted.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
It's not painted, it's actually charred.
So you don't have to themaintenance is very light.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Yes, that's the real thing, but I think that's
inspired some of these blackkind of look to them.
So there's a bit of depth in it, isn't there?
I guess is a good way to put itthere is.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
Yeah, it's not just a flat black, it does have a
texture, so yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
And I love a ply.
I love a ply, look.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
Well, actually, although we did have a, ply
moment, didn't we?
I think a ply is over.
I think I'm literally sittingat a desk exposed ply edge, but
it does have that industriallook and we've long moved past
industrial.
So if it's a again, it doeshave that authentic authenticity
and it does have that you know,when you're seeing the layers
of wood, that is quitesatisfying.

(53:12):
The birch ply, that industrialstyle, I feel like that's done,
we're over that now.
You know, and I mean I'm just,it is a beautiful it is.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Yeah, I totally get what you're saying.
It definitely has had itsmoment.
However, I do like it.
I do think it applies to kindof a cool, cool finish.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
If we're talking about you know if we're going to
be seeing any more of that.
I don't think so.
I think that we've we'veexhausted that trend and you
know what?
Benchtopop city?
They do a really beautiful absedge that looks exactly like
birch ply, so you don't have tospend the money on it.
Multi-layer, yeah, it's reallyreally authentic looking and
amazing.

(53:52):
Um, but yes, I would say thatthat industrial ply aesthetic is
over, even though I still likeit.
So there you go, go, yeah sameRight.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
I could still like things, but it just means that
they have peaked.
Is what we're saying?
Yes, They've peaked.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
Yes, it's peaked.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Things that I don't like, like white kitchens.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
Really, I didn't know that I'm going to go down into
my own white kitchen in a moment.
It's the same.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
I was actually thinking of me to paint my white
kitchen, like I mean I could doit.
Oh, I feel like I might havealready said this in another
podcast or I've just said thisto you offline.
But there's now a company thatdoes like DIY, like the
removable wallpaper, but forkitchen cupboards.
Huh, and I can't remember whothe company is.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
I just remember someone telling me about it and
going well, that's interesting.
I should look into that Becauseyou know, renting I have the
kitchen I have is the kitchen Ihave.
There's probably not a lot Ican do about that, but yeah, I
guess if you knew you were goingto be somewhere for a while and
you could just remove somethingand add like a vinyl wrap
version of a removable kind ofcover on cupboards, that'd be

(54:58):
cool.
That's clever.
I just love it how you and I arejust like bagging out white
kitchens, and yet we both have awhite kitchen.
Oh my god, this is such a creep.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
No, but mine's.
Mine's like an original 1961kitchen.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Yeah, yours might be slightly cooler than mine is it?

Speaker 1 (55:17):
it might be cooler.
Is it functional?

Speaker 2 (55:19):
But anyway, that's for another day.
But.
I still I love it, Kitchenshave come a long way right in
terms of functionality they have.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
The kitchen sink is the most sturdiest sink ever.
Anyway, this is boring forpeople, so shall we just wrap
this up?

Speaker 2 (55:33):
Bree, yes, let's wrap it up and obviously we'll come
back to you next year.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
Yes, so fun.
And if you've got you knowpredictions, come and tell us
what your predictions are,because, also, we should let
people know that we're going toMilan and Paris together with
eight of our closest friends.
We're doing a design tour, soit's going to be the best.
I met one of the gorgeous womenthat is coming today, brie.

(56:00):
She is divine, she is gorgeous,she's excited, she's smiling,
enthusiastic, friendly,beautiful.
Oh my God, it's going to be sogreat.
And I told her about the otherpeople that are coming and she
was getting really excited.
So it was so super cute.
But, yeah, this is a thing thatwe want to do every year.
So you know, if you guys arecurious and you want to get on

(56:20):
the waitlist for 2026, maybe weshould start that up.
Brie, incredible, yeah, smallgroup, eight women plus us.
Oh guys, god, I shouldn'tdiscriminate.
Yeah, I mean we are going to dotwin share, some of us.
All right, going to be great,so good.

(56:42):
Thanks, bree, see you.
So thank you guys for listeningin.
And just a quick reminder ifyou would like some help with
the interiors for your own home,I can help you in a course
called the Style StudiesEssentials.
Or, for designers out there,come into the Design Society for
business and marketing and allof the things.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Yeah, and in the same show notes you'll find a link
to sign up for mysoon-to-be-released furniture
collections, pre-selectedfurniture collections and cool
trend information, and then, inthe future, some short courses
on styling and trends as well.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
So good Bree.
We've got the utmost respectfor the Wurundjeri people of the
Kulin Nation.
They're the OG custodians ofthis unceded land and its waters
, where we set up shop, createand call home and come to you.
From this podcast today, a bigshout out to all of the amazing
elders who have walked before us, those leading the way in the

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present and the emerging leaderswho will carry the torch into
the future.
We're just lucky to be on thisjourney together.