January 10, 2025 • 52 mins
Unlock the secrets of 2025's most exciting interior design trends with us, Bree Banfield and Lauren Li. Ever wonder how trends sneak their way into your home, even if you’re not paying attention? We'll reveal the subtle ways in which early adopters, cultural moments, and even global moods influence the environments we create around us. From Meryl Streep's iconic fashion monologue in "The Devil Wears Prada" to the art of trend forecasting, discover how these elements shape the spaces we love and why staying informed is crucial for both professionals and enthusiasts.
Join our vibrant discussion on crafting spaces that are not just aesthetically pleasing but also authentic and personalized. We explore how to harmonize high-end design with personal touches, moving beyond the sterile showroom look to create homes that tell stories through sentimental pieces and second-hand treasures. Discover the charm of a bookshelf brimming with books and the allure of screen-free spaces, where interaction takes precedence over entertainment. Learn how transforming traditional living spaces can foster deeper connections and create environments that prioritize meaningful experiences.
Finally, we dive into the dynamic blend of old and new with a focus on integrating antiques and technology in modern homes. Explore how incorporating vintage furniture and unique design elements can coexist with contemporary tech, offering a balanced and stylish space. From textured interiors and eclectic designs to colorful bathrooms and kitchens, witness the shift from minimalist to maximalist aesthetics.
As we wrap up, we invite you to engage with us, share your thoughts, and participate in our exciting journey through the ever-evolving world of interior design. Celebrate the intersection of timeless style and the latest trends with us and make your living spaces truly your own.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Design Anatomy, the interior design
podcast hosted by friends andfellow designers.
Me, b Banfield.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
And me, Lauren Li, with some amazing guest
appearances along the way.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
We're here to break down everything from current
trends to timeless style.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
With a shared passion for joyful, colour-filled and
lived-in spaces.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
we're excited to share our insights and
inspiration with you and if youwant to know a little bit more
about what Lauren and I do inour day jobs, you can jump into
the show notes and find somelinks there.
Mine will take you to sign upto our newsletter for info on
trends, the short courses we'llbe releasing this year and also
our pre-selected collectionsthat help you decorate your home
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on a budget.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Lovely.
What a nice way to sort of kickoff the year with a nice plan.
You know, somebody can purchaseone of your collections and
they're sort of like you'reholding their hand almost.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Totally.
Yep, they get me a bit on abudget.
Yeah, it's really smart.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
That's really smart.
So if you wanted some help withyour interiors as well, um, I
have a course called the stylestudies essentials um.
So if you like some of thesekind of you know ideas that brie
and I are talking about becauseI think we're pretty much on
the same page with everythingright, Bree, um, in the course,
you know, I can really guide youthrough to make those decisions
(01:20):
for your own home, and ifyou're an interior designer
listening, I'm helping you justbe the best designer that you
can be for 2025.
We are starting a group ofactually two groups.
We've got an emerging group,we've got an established group
of interior designers, and it'sjust a mentor group, and we've
got you.
We're here for you, we want tohear what you have to say, we
(01:43):
want to see you, we're going tocatch up in person, and just a
really small bunch of interiordesigners together.
So it's going to be so fun.
Enough about that, though,because this is going to be such
a fun episode, Bree, we havegot so, so much to talk about.
So much in fact that we realizedwe couldn't even fit it into
one.
Yeah, so yes, today's episodeis all about the trends for 2025
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interior design trends.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
And we've kind of narrowed down what we think are
our favorites, so they're notnecessarily ranked from like one
to whatever we're going to do.
Seven, yes, and we're just.
They're the ones that we thinkare also probably going to last
a while too.
They're like enduring trends, Ithink.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Well, you know, Bree, that sort of brings up that
whole topic of you know the wordtrends.
It is kind of divisive.
It can be kind of triggeringfor people Like how do you sort
of define what a trend is?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Yeah, it is very triggering, particularly for
designers.
We find a lot of people we willask them about trends, right,
and they say, oh, we don'tfollow trends.
And I always find that not.
I find it amusing because Iknow they don't necessarily
follow trends.
They'd be very aware of thetrends, but they're often part
of the trend cycle, because whathappens is we have these early
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adopters who start doing thingsthat people notice, and it's not
just them.
It'll be multiple people whodon't know each other, but
they're all influenced bywhatever's happening in the
world or what they're taking in.
And it can be as simple as popculture, the movies they're
watching, the art exhibitsthey're going to what's
happening in terms of the globalmood, and then they seem to
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produce similar things.
And that's what we often lookfor when we're trend forecasting
is those threads that aren'tconnected, but you can see
something similar happening.
So that's a trend.
A trend is like a technicalthing it's not made up, it's an
observation of what's happeningor what's going to happen and
where it's heading.
And I think that the wordpeople get confused with when
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they get all kind of on theirtrends, or sort of fast fashion,
et cetera, is fad.
So for me, a fad is somethingthat's way more manufactured and
maybe influenced by a trend.
So they might go oh, the trendis vintage, so let's put out
something that's retro, that'scheap and nasty, that all the
teenagers are going to love,because the trend is vintage.
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So the fad is that and that'sthe thing you see in the stores
that kind of gets sold out andall of those sort of things, and
it kind of feeds into that fastfashion.
So that's how I kind ofdifferentiate, because you can't
not be part of a trend, right?
It just that's what happens,which leads us really to our
first trend that we're going totalk about.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Oh, I just love that and I mean I think, yeah, you
and I are just on the same pageas that and I know that not
everybody sort of understandstrends in the way that we do,
but it's something I think abouta lot and, as you sort of said,
ryder, in the beginning, there,you know, a lot of designers
say I don't follow trends andit's like, well, you still need
to be aware of what those trendsand even what the fads are,
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because you need to be aware ofit so that you can say that's
not for me, but I can see,that's what the Joneses next
door are wanting, that's whatyou know.
The I can see that's what theJoneses next door are wanting.
That's what you know.
The average kind of, you know,consumer is looking for yeah,
for sure, yeah, so yeah, it'sreally interesting and I think
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we spoke about.
You know if you are unsure ofwhat we are talking about.
When it comes to trends, Ithink there's nobody that put it
better than Meryl Streepherself in the Devil.
Wears Prada which we referencedin a previous episode.
It's just.
It sums it up perfectly for me,I think if you're living in the
culture, you are consumingcontent, you're in this.
You know political space thatwe're in right now, like you.
Just the interiors are just aresponse to that.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Definitely.
Yeah, pretty much everything wedo in life.
Unless you're living off thegrid and not being part of
society in some way, you'reinfluenced by a trend and trend.
You know we talk about trendsand we're obviously in the
interiors world.
Trends is a word that goesacross everything.
It's just something that we seehappening and it's an influence
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really.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Yeah, I feel like that's what made me laugh when I
saw someone post about thisfirst one that we're going to
say, which is the trend is notfollowing trends and the post
that I saw it was Nicholas S whoposted it and I had a laugh and
it was.
I think it was a Vogue.
It was probably more aboutfashion potentially, but it was
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a Vogue kind of poll and I thinkwhat it said was like the one
that was overwhelmingly so, likeyou know, it had the little
line graph, overwhelminglypopular was and they called it
trends are done and I went okay,that's a trend.
That is so funny.
The trend is that trends areover, so it just can't escape it
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.
So I thought that was kind ofalmost the best example.
And what it means is which we'lldive into is that people don't
want to just follow somethingblindly because someone said
this is the look and we haveseen that quite strongly happen
in the past, right With, I guess, Scandinavian's probably a
really good example.
I'm talking about the verycliched Scandinavian look and
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then that definitely got pickedup and really ran with that for
a very long time.
I guess that was a very stronginterior trend that got, I guess
, maybe even overused, I wouldsay, because it's kind of more
of a classic look when you pullit back and take it apart.
But I think what people aretrying to say is we want our own
space, we want it to reflect us, so we don't want it to reflect
a particular style, and so thetrend is to make it your own
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right and I think that unlessyou know, as what you said at
the top, unless you are livingsomewhere like I, have a fifth
cousin who lives in the ArcticCircle.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I don't think Timo is following, he probably has a
trend of his own?
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Who knows?
I don't think Timo is followingany trends.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Egg fur, though Exactly Brain, deep fur, yeah.
So he's the only person I canthink of that doesn't follow any
trends.
And I also agree that it doesfeel good to feel like you know
what.
I've chosen this myself, I'veput this look together, I've
created this for my own, toreflect my own personality.
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But you know, the fact is, inthis point of time, everybody
else is doing that and I thinkyou know, in our homes, to get
that look, that individuality,of individuality, a great way to
do that is through familyheirlooms or things that are
handed down.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yes, Because they're uniquely yours right.
No one else is going to havethat.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Well, I think they carry their own meaning.
You know, I've got thistapestry that I've hung up above
my fireplace and it's just, youknow, one of those things that
you've just seen throughout yourwhole entire life.
It's very comforting and itdoesn't have any meaning to
anyone else, but my nan had thatup in her house.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
You know, that's something for me and it's
something that I can't just goaround the corner and find at my
big box store Freedom, ikea,west, elm or something like that
.
But you know, as you also said,they will try to create that
look of something that almost isfaux distressed.
Yes, that has a look of agewhen it actually isn't old, and
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I think that's when we get intofad territory.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, the things that make your home
your own will often be thosethings that have been handed
down.
Or, like another point we hadwas you know something that's to
do with your culture.
So it could be you know thatyou have family in India and you
go back there every year andyou pick something up there and
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you bring that home with you.
Or it's just your travels.
You know it might not be yourparticular culture.
You really love traveling andso every time you travel, you
pick out a vase or an artwork orsomething small that you bring
home with you.
I try and do that, for sure,and then that has meaning as
well.
So I think the other thing withthis trend is it's also trying
to make sure there's meaning inin the interior and why it's
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there.
You didn't just sort of walkinto a store and go okay, I
really like that, that, that andthat.
Let's put it all together,which is fine as well, but
people don't.
People want to be in spaceswhere they feel connected.
They feel connected to it, andto feel connected to it it's
often a memory of where it camefrom or why you bought it or why
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you love it, all of that stuff,Whereas when you walk into a
store I mean, I had furniturefor a while where my memories
connected to it weren't greatbecause there was arguments
about buying- these things youknow, like, and I, and that was
what was connected to thesepieces, and so there weren't
wasn't great vibes, right, youneed the vibes to be good in the
pieces you have.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Totally.
And I think you know we hadsuch a great conversation with
Brem in a couple of episodes agoand you know he was just like
shocked.
He's shocked when he hasclients and I've felt the same.
They have nothing, they havenothing.
You know, I've had a client whowas in her sixties and she was
downsizing and she had nofurniture.
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She'd sold it all but you know,maybe that was a way for her
wanting a clean slate orwhatever the reasons, were, I
didn't go into it, but that'swhy I love it when a client has
a piece of furniture they havebought when they were overseas
or they've moved and they'verelocated and it's something
that they have with them and Ibuild a concept around it.
But it is kind of funny becausewhen we look at our Vogue
(11:24):
Living and our Bell magazines,they're the very items that are
taken out of a photo shoot.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Often they are, except for at the moment, I
think, because those are thethings that are creating this
look, and I think that I canalmost tell her sometimes, you
know, you'll see a shoot.
I was looking at somethingrecently and everything in the
room was individually amazingpieces, but it lacked that thing
where you were like this feelslike someone's home, not a
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showroom or a gallery, and youcan sort of lose that a little
bit in that high end too.
So I think that's what we'reseeing happen in that high end
space is that maybe, and maybethe designers are sort of the
ones kind of pushing this aswell.
They are kind of encouragingpeople to go.
Actually, that's you might kindof think that's daggy because
it's come from you know, yourgreat-grandparents or whatever,
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but actually, when we put it inthis context, it becomes this
unique piece that nobody elsehas and it makes the room,
because it gives the roomsomething that it didn't have
before right, and that's, Iguess, part of our job.
To do that too is to, you know,try and get them to see it in a
different light that's exactlywhat I was going to say.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
I think that's a great designer that can come in
and see something that theclient you know we see something
so often you don't even see it,you know like my tapestry, for
sure you know if you're ifyou're a designer, you can
actually see that with a freshcontext and think, no, if I pair
it with this and this, we cangive it a new lease of life and
it can help tell your story.
And if you don't, you know ifyou went through that
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Scandinavian phase and you justgot rid of all your stuff?
you don't have things.
I still think you can get thatlook, but it's not from your big
box stores, it's from going tojust your local op shop, yes,
and finding something thatsomebody else bought on their
travels.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Yeah, or, marketplace is always great too, right?
Speaker 2 (13:12):
I mean, there's a bit of digging that you have to do
absolutely obsessed withmarketplace and she's found some
incredible things, and theseare on a budget as well.
But I still think that eventhough it doesn't tell your
story those objects, thosepieces of furniture they still
tell a story and.
I think they just give a room,instant soul and atmosphere,
(13:33):
yeah, so you know, going to yourop shops, going on marketplace,
finding some things thatsomebody else bought on their
travel, and you can carry onthat story and I love trying to
like make up, but I'll, if I buystuff, I have to make up a
story about like who had it andwhat they did.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
That's cute, that's cute I love it In my head.
You know, like, whatever it was, I won't go into it now because
I've gone for too long, butyeah, it's nice to just make up
a little imaginative story aboutit.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I think you can still get that well-travelled look
even if you haven't travelled,so don't let that stop you.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
I think that leads on to our number two sort of
interior design trend for 2025,which is really that overarching
theme of spaces that are livedin.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Definitely.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
And I mean that's something that I bang on about a
bit and I mean you're thinking,hang on, what do you mean lived
in?
Obviously, we live in ourhouses, but I think it's
previous sort of styles thatclean, almost again.
Going back to that Scandinavianlook there's cupboards, put
everything away, and the minutethat you put your phone down on
the kitchen island bench itstands out because everything is
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so packed away that you can'teven relax and live in your
space.
And yeah, I guess that's mychildhood everything had to be
always put away, so I feel very,um rebellious leaving stuff out
.
So I love this lived in?
Speaker 1 (14:57):
look, yeah, it definitely is.
Uh, I feel like it's it's kindof just pushing back on the fact
that we're seeing a lot ofoverly curated spaces, I think
in the past.
And then AI images, which arequite perfect right, they're a
little bit too perfect.
There's something missing there, and so what we're seeing is
this you know, we want spaces tobe real, we want authenticity,
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and so sometimes that comes with, you know, a bit of clutter and
the fact that, well, this isthe space that I live in and
read books or whatever it is youdo there, so it needs to look
like that.
I do that.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yeah, like I think exactly what you said.
It's a space that we live in, somake it look like we live in it
and actually create and designour spaces to allow for that
ease of living that things stilllook great when there is a spot
to put them on display, whereasI think, with you know, there's
really clinical white kitchenswhere there was just overhead
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cupboards, storage, storage,storage for days, which don't
get me wrong.
That's fantastic.
And we're not talking aboutleaving your Tupperware out on
display.
It's those, you know, handmadeyour favourite mugs, your
favourite dishes, your favourite, you know, salt and pepper
grinders, like they're aestheticappliances that you leave out.
Yes, yeah, and it's just partof living with ease.
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It's like effortless.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
I struggled with that for a long time.
I have to say I hate stuff onkitchen benches.
I don't even like my toaster.
I mean.
I guess if you had likesomething was quite beautiful.
Mine are pretty basic stainlesssteel, not super fancy.
But I've recently, I think,moved towards going.
No, you know, I actually like abit of the olive oil and the
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salt dish and that stuff becauseit does feel more real and then
you can think about thosethings in a more fun way and go
okay.
Well, if they're going to be onthe bench, why don't we make
them cute and add to theaesthetic of the space?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
But I did struggle with that.
I know it is a huge, yeah, mindshift, I guess, but I think it
comes back to you're not overlystyled, easy, and I think you
know we want to talk aboutkitchens and kitchen trends in a
whole other episode, becausethere's so many things to talk
about with you know.
Kitchens and that in terms ofmateriality, design and just how
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we're living in our kitchensyeah, definitely too much to
talk about today.
And I suppose when we'retalking about those lived-in
interiors, it's engaging allfive senses as well, which I
love, definitely.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
I mean, you and I are huge fans of music that can set
a mood.
Lighting we've talked aboutthis and we'll probably continue
to.
You know, rattle on about howimportant lighting is, but then
scent as well, right?
So so you know, using beautifulcandles and even that comes
back to lighting as well.
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I was away on New Year's Eve ata beautiful home down in Rye
and I remember sort of sittingthere at night with the group of
people and how wonderful it wasthat there were I think there
was maybe some lights on in thebackground that were pointed at
something beautiful, but we justhad like two taper candles and
then some lower sort of lanterncandles on the table and
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everyone just sitting around and, wow, it was so relaxing.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
And everyone looks good too.
It's very flattering light.
Well, I've gone to the darkside because I have bought fake
candles.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Wow, they are easier.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
You know why, though, are they the right?
Speaker 1 (18:30):
color though.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
They are.
I got them from West Elm andthey do a really nice flicker as
well.
It was because I'm so sick ofreplacing my candles, because
I've got them outside in like aglass lantern at the front door
like kind of like a Scandinaviankind of thing, and they melt in
the sun and I'm like, oh,that's so annoying, they keep
melting and falling over, andspilling everywhere.
So anyway, I think that it'sactually beautiful.
(18:54):
It does give you that ambienceand I mean, yeah, nothing beats
the real thing, but in a, youknow, southern hemisphere summer
.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Sometimes we need a bit of practicality.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah, they melt, but yeah, I think, lighting it just
definitely if you can createpockets of light where you are
actually living or ambient lightas a backdrop.
You know, as you said, Lots ofoptions of lights, like don't
just have.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
I mean, I think a lot of people would just go I have
down lights and then there's afull stop after that.
It's so easy to add just lamps,just add lamps, put candles on
the table.
You know, when you're chillingout at night, turn it off, even
if you're watching the tv, likejust having a lamp as well.
I don't know.
There's just something aboutthat mood that can be created
with lighting.
Anyway, we'll off.
(19:40):
We're probably going to go onabout lighting forever, but
forever.
I'm never going to stop becauseit's so impactful but that sort
of comes back to like when yousaid um, creating like spaces
where the light sort of I don'tknow delineates an area, um that
that's the other thing we'reseeing is like people creating
beautiful little corners intheir home or I guess we would
(20:02):
call it a vignette where youknow there might be a beautiful
chair and maybe it's not a chairyou even sit on, it's a little
bit sculptural, or it's an oldervintage piece and it has a
little table next to it, maybethere's a plant, maybe there's a
lamp or a little piece of art.
But just creating those littlemoments where, when you walk
through your home and you clockthat, you kind of go.
Oh, I love that you have thatlittle moment of going.
Oh, I love that.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
That's I think something that's happening too.
I love that and I've actuallysaid that to a client.
I said once well, we've got oursofa here, this is where we're
going to.
You know, sink in, enjoywatching tv.
But we'll have like an armchair, but maybe a slightly
sculptural armchair.
Probably wouldn't sit in itevery day.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
And he just looked at me like I had three heads well,
some people are overlypractical and don't I think they
undervalue um beauty in a way.
Right, not everything has tohave a practical use.
It can be there just to bringyou joy, and that is its
definition.
Like it doesn't have to be.
What am I going to sit on thatchair for?
(21:00):
Well, you're not.
Maybe you'll put your shoes onone day, but maybe you'll never
sit on it.
But you'll have those momentswhere you look at it and go it's
beautiful, I love it.
That's just as important,surely.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Yeah, a chair in a hall at the end of a hallway,
but if there's three peopleliving in their home and there's
enough sofa space for them, andthen that extra chair is for
when you have guests over.
Yeah, you might not be sittingon there for two hours watching
your Netflix series or whatever,but yeah, I think that is
something that people reallystruggle with, that putting
aesthetics sometimes in front ofcomfort.
We're not totally throwingcomfort out the door because
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we've still got our comfortablesofa, but I don't know, does
that kind of go against thatlifting look?
Well, I think it's aboutenjoying your space and really
enjoying and living in everypart of it, even if it's comfort
for sitting in and I've sort ofsaid that, comfort for the eye
to be really enjoying everysingle corner.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Yeah, so, like you know, I think that if your whole
home feels like some kind ofgallery or showroom or you know
interiors showroom, where youkind of just like put everything
there and there's no love in it, there's no lived in aspect,
then that's what we're sort ofsaying isn't like that very
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minimalist look where everythingis put away and there's no hint
of a human.
That's what we're saying iskind of not working.
The opposite of that is what wewant.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Love it.
I heard this term bookshelfwealth and I was like, oh, I
love that and again it's aboutnot always putting away
everything, and remember thattrend where there was, you would
face your book spines the otherway, so that all you would see
is like a white beige sort ofyes, that's ridiculous.
It's very contved.
(22:49):
It's not about living in aspace.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
No, it's about filling shelves, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yeah, it's meaningless.
Whereas bookshelf wealth.
The way I like to interpretthat is that books are not
colour-coded, they are just.
They're not perfectly arranged.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
It's just an abundance of books and again,
it's something that you can'tjust get in a day that's so true
, I have a slight obsession withbooks, which you probably
already know, but I like oldbooks as well, like trying to
find older books and not justbuying lots of new ones.
I do try and avoid the colourcoding, because there's
(23:27):
definitely a part of me thatwants to do that.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Oh, I love doing it, don't get me wrong, and I don't
rainbow it, but I do lightlygroove them into black books.
Yes, it needs to still beaesthetic to me.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
I've seen some bookshelves which have a whole
heap of fantastic books on there, but it does my head in.
I look at it and it kind ofalmost gives me anxiety because
it just looks so much better.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Yeah, yeah, I don't want to pull them all out and
rearrange them.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Like a crooked picture.
You know it's like.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Oh, I know, I think it's all the different.
I think maybe grouping theminto size would be better.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Yeah, definitely, because if they're all like I
think they've also it can't betoo crazy to the eye Like you
need.
I think it can't be too crazyto the eye.
You need to have I don't knowsome logic to the bookshelf,
even if it's about what you havethere.
Maybe you've got it in kind ofgenres or something you know, or
your travel books are togetherand you know your novels are in
a different spot and often thatkind of ends up being similar
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sizes anyway, but yeah, you knowFlack Studio David has an
incredible collection of books,yeah, and I love to go in and
have a look at his bookshelvesbecause they just look just
absolutely wealthy with books.
Yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Well, so we've talked about this lived-in look, which
I think.
Then, our next trend we'venoticed is back to formal living
rooms with no TVs or screens.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
I don't think we have to be careful of the word
formal, don't we?
I?
Do think that because Becausewe're saying you still use.
I feel like when we grew up, aformal living room was like the
good front room that nobody satin.
It just looked beautiful andmum was like don't put that
there or whatever it is, whereaswe're saying it's dusty.
It can still be obviously abeautiful, you know good front
room but it's used, but not towatch tv that's right.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
So what do you think about um a room with no big
black square on the wall?
Speaker 1 (25:27):
yes, placing that.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Placing that with an artwork how fabulous, yeah, and
then reorientating the furnituretowards people.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
So that we're having conversations, yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
So I think that would be quite indulgent, quite
luxurious to have a space likethat.
But I also think, coming backto trends, yes, are people
tuning into the six o'clock newsevery night?
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Never.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
No, that would be depressing, but my dad would it
would be In fact.
I think I've been to his placebefore.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
He's like we've been doing something else and
suddenly he's like putting theTV, and so I'm like what are you
doing?
He goes six o'clock, it's timefor the news.
Oh we still do that.
I just go and get my news whenI feel like it because we've got
access to that Right and I alsoI mean we won't get too
political.
But I also find like generally,depending on what channel
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you're watching, that's not thenews I want to watch.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I know, I know, but I think it does come back to you
know, trends.
You know people go oh, they'rejust not important.
And who cares about trends?
I People go oh, they're justnot important.
And who cares about trends?
I don't follow trends.
Well, I think.
Not watching the 6 o'clock newshas been a huge change in our
viewing habits.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Well, it's streaming too right, it's access to things
when we want them, whereasbefore you'd be like, oh you
know, I'm trying to think of anexample Dawson's Creek is on at
8.30 or whatever, and we have toall be in the lounge room
watching it.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
We saw something quite cool about that too.
Yeah, we used to do that.
That's true, because now wecould all be in different rooms
watching different things quiteeasily, and I think that does
segment a family a little bit,where you would all come
together to watch a show,whereas now everyone's on their
own individual screen.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
But maybe that opens it up right to having the room
that doesn't have the screen andit's just so like because
there's a screen in the bedroomor there's a portable screen.
You kind of watch a lot ofstuff on my iPad that you take
from room to room, so maybe theTV becomes a little bit less
important because we're notcentralized around being in that
space watching that one screen.
So it opens it up to maybebeing a room where you hang out,
have a conversation, have adrink, play a board game, read a
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book, all of that stuff, Loveit.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Well, I mean, that's what I was wondering.
People think trends aren'timportant, but here is a big
trend and it's directlyinfluencing how we live in our
spaces.
Yeah directly influencing howwe live in our spaces.
But do you think it's a roomdevoid of screens altogether?
Because I think, as you said,people have their individual
screens and maybe instead ofhaving that one communal screen,
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we all have our own individualscreens, and then we need to
allow for provisions like powerso that if you are on your
laptop, ipad, you can plug in.
I mean, I'm just trying to feellike real life here.
It would be so cool if we alljust sat around and talked but
in real life not everybody has.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Um we're talking about bram again, but I'm just
thinking he gave a really greatexample of them being in a small
.
You know um, he was anapartment space and they ended
up putting the tv room in likekind of their spare room and it
just changed the whole way theylive.
So they went specifically inthere to watch something and
that was the space with the TV,and then they kept their kind of
main living area without a TVso that it was a bit more
(28:40):
conducive to conversation andother things, and I love that.
But I'll put it out there thatsay, most families might not
have the option for a TV roomand a living room, or even if we
call it a formal lounge room.
So I think the option there isto try and have a TV that can be
a piece of art.
(29:00):
You know the Samsung frameThank you, had a moment, and I
think it is obviously more TVsthat do that now or it's hidden.
In comes your designer piece ofjoinery sliding door, something
clever.
I've seen so many clever hacksfor that, though that aren't,
you know, big joinery piecesthat cost a fortune.
Yeah, so maybe it's about justminimizing the focus of the room
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around that one black box.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
I think that you know is something we have strived
for for many years, interiordesigners.
Whenever the client says thinkthat you know is something we
have strived for for many years,interior designers.
Whenever the client says, oh no, you know, he wants the biggest
TV that's on the market, youjust your heart sinks.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
But I think it's becoming more of a reality.
I think that slowly we areseeing a shift away from wanting
that big black square on thewall.
Yeah for sure, time will tell.
We can hope, yes, yes, we canhope yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
We have touched on this one, but vintage and
antiques and you've done alittle bit of a like we had this
conversation before.
But okay, antique versusvintage what's the difference
and what was your take on that,lauren?
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Well, I always just understood that antiques were
anything older than 100 yearsold.
So therefore, when we describesomething as vintage, it's
something that's not as old as100 years.
So it could be something fromthe 70s and 80s.
And I think I grew up you knowmy mum and still does go to
antique stores all the time, sowe were just dragged through
antique store after antiquestore as kids Don't touch this,
(30:30):
don't touch this, don't touchthat.
Are we going yet?
And my mum, you know, boughtlots of antiques and back in the
80s and 90s there was a hugecountry, almost a bit of a
Victorian revival, and my mumwas all in on that.
And we have seen all of theseincredible pieces handcrafted
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wood, inlay, one-of-a-kindpieces be sold for next to
nothing and my prediction ismaybe not this year, but in a
few years time, we actually seea huge appreciation for even
going back, as you know,victorian pieces in our homes,
because they are one-of kind,they are quality, they are
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readily available and they'rereally affordable.
I don't know.
I was doing a lot of researchtrying to find examples of
interiors with these olderantiques and I didn't find a lot
.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
But yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
I did see Brim as we were talking about.
He comes up a lot because Ilove his work.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
He's just imparted too much wisdom for us not to
reference him.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
He really did.
But I think the key is if youare using an incredible antique
piece brown furniture, it's kindof known as you need to pair it
with a contemporary artwork andit creates that really cool
tension and it needs to be notall antiques's mingling within
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other areas, not about creatinga look that's from one specific
um point in time.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
It needs to.
It needs to be relevant bymaking, because I feel like it
starts to feel a bitreproduction, even if it's real
right.
If everything is of aparticular moment and that's not
, I don't know, I don't feellike it's relevant, but what?
what is relevant is having lotsof moments from different eras
brought together to makesomething meaningful in a space
right, and that's the difference, I think, when we when we talk
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about antique and I feel like we, that probably brings to mind
somewhere that's quite stuffyand and, like you said, like
don't touch anything, you know,sort of those sort of spaces, um
, but this look that we'reheading towards, like don't
touch anything, you know, sortof those sort of spaces, but
this look that we're headingtowards, which is a bit more,
you know, even just that livedin or you know, having that
meaning, that individualconnection, that's where it can
come from, adding those sort ofspecial pieces, particularly if
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you've spent time hunting itdown.
I think Totally that gives it alot more meaning, doesn't it?
Oh, definitely, I think Totallyit gives it a lot more meaning,
doesn't it?
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Oh, definitely, yeah, I think that it is mid-century
modern, has been so strong andhas really dominated, and I
think what we're going to seeless of is that kind of museum.
Look, here's the classic,iconic mid-century pieces
everywhere.
It's about having, definitely,you know, holding onto them, but
it's mingling with those, oh,unexpected, incredible inlay
(33:16):
dresser next to the artwork,next to the mid century piece
and the 1930s unusual lamp.
I don't know, Like I thinkAthena Calderon is doing that as
well.
She's got an amazing mid-centurybeach house.
She's mixed in pieces from the70s, even older and contemporary
(33:40):
.
That's really interesting.
It's kind of a collector look,isn't it?
Speaker 1 (33:44):
It's like you've been collecting things that you love
and then you're sort ofbringing them all together and
it does hark back as well to areally important, forever
overarching trend that you knowwill never stop now, which is
sustainability.
So it's far more sustainable to, you know, search for pieces,
particularly locally, that havebeen pre-loved, yes, and you
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just giving them a new lease oflife by putting them into your
space or even restoring them insome way or upholstering them in
something fun and sort ofshifting the narrative a little
bit of a piece that's maybevintage, but then you put a
modern fabric, or maybe it getsrepainted or whatever it is.
But that feeds into thateclectic look, but it also feeds
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into a need for being moresustainable with what we put in
our homes, right?
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Definitely.
And you know, because you knowI might be saying, oh, you know,
we're seeing less mid-century.
It doesn't mean, oh my God,well, I've got these amazing
mid-century pieces.
Do I need to change that?
Of course not.
But you know, as we weretalking to our friend Simone,
simone Haig, a few weeks ago agoand in one of her clients has
an Eames lounge chair and againit's an iconic piece we've just
(34:55):
seen so often, andreupholstering that in an
unexpected fabric just gives ita whole new lease of life.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
For sure?
Speaker 2 (35:03):
So yeah, it's just reimagining those pieces and
making them a little lesspredictable, Definitely so.
Number five is color drenching,which we have seen in the past
few years.
But what about pattern?
Speaker 1 (35:17):
drenching.
Yes, I love this and I alsothink, like you know, the
drenching is a new word, butreally we mean, you know, like
immersive color or even colorblocking, which was when we
started to see those tonalinteriors.
So color blocking became lessabout like literally a block of
color on a wall or whatever, andmore about the fact that you
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chose a color like a blue or aterracotta, and then you use
that color in differentinferences throughout the space.
And now you know, the extensionof that is having lots of
pattern and a clash of pattern,you know so, also usually with
colour and not and kind ofmaking sure.
I think the way to do it ismixing the scale of the pattern
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and the style of it.
So you could have, like youknow, a tiny floral with a wide
stripe, or, but, like you know,it doesn't have to be two, it
could be ten.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Well, I think that the person that has done it.
One of the best ways is nicolenicole from atelier nd like
looking at her examples is sheuses a small scale pattern,
almost like a paint color yeaharound as a backdrop, a small
scale pattern, and then, becauseit's a small scale, people
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think oh my god, isn't thatgoing to be so busy?
It's actually the opposite.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Your eye doesn't read every single intricate pattern.
Yeah, you're right, we both didthis with.
And then, because it's a smallscale, people think, oh my God,
isn't that going to be so busy?
Speaker 2 (36:36):
It's actually the opposite, your eye doesn't read
every single intricate pattern.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Yeah, you're right, we both did this with our
fingers, like a little dusting,a little pattern.
It's our version of jazz hands,interior hands.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
But it's, yeah, it's a small scale pattern.
It reads as a I don't know anoverall surrounding, immersive,
I guess, as you say, immersivebackdrop to a larger scale
pattern.
Yeah, and I think that's thekey Small scale plus a wider
stripe, a big scale pattern.
So when we meet, we just meanthe pattern repeat.
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How often that little scalepattern repeats and tying it
together with similar colours?
Yeah, so that's key as well.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
And I get that look is not going to be for everyone.
It's that maximalism look thatwe've spoken to Evie about.
But I think that you choose thepatterns or the colours that
you really love and you knowthat's the thing we've talked
about as well is that you'redecorating.
It's a joyful look.
It's not a serious look.
It's one you do because youwant to feel like uplifted in
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that space or like you know it'sa bit quirky and it makes you
smile, like it's definitely, youknow, looking for joy, I think.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
And it's not an accidental space.
Those spaces are very carefullyconsidered and very carefully
planned because color drenchingI mean that's quite bold to
choose a paint color.
Paint the walls, trims, doors,ceiling, in all the one color.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
But pattern drenching is really for the brave.
You really can't just happen onthat by accident.
It is quite planned.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
I think we've also seen material drenching, so that
could be even, you know, marblekitchens, marble bench, marble
splashback, marble shelf, yeah,even, maybe even marble cupboard
fronts, like there's that kindof that material just really
going hard on that yeah, yeah,making a very strong statement
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with one particular material.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Yeah, material drenching, yeah, drenching
everything.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Maybe even tile it's very wet out there it is.
You know, we get carried awaywith these terms, don't we?
We do.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Well, I guess they're not backlash to that.
But there's a reason it existsand we've already referred to it
in our other episode where wetalked about what's out and we
just use neutrals as an exampleof trends that are kind of
coming through and why.
But neutrals are definitely onthe rise.
We obviously saw a huge rise incolor and people gaining so
(39:10):
much confidence in the use ofcolor, which is fantastic, and
neutrals are always there in thebackground, but I think that
popularity is sort of rising nowbecause of that comfort factor
and people do want to feel safeand those neutral tones,
particularly the warm ones, Idon't think we're talking about.
You know, when we say neutral,neutral technically means it
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sort of isn't warm or cool andsort of sits in the middle and
can work with everything.
We're talking about lots ofreally warm, light and dark
tones.
It's earthy and grounding, notsort of lots of whites and cool
tones and in that sort ofminimalist way we're talking
about, I guess, maximalist useof neutral, which comes into
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right, it's like, because itcomes back to.
You know, what used to be myfavourite word and now I use it
probably 500 times a day istactility.
It has to be tactile and that'show we connect to it.
It's not soulless it's stillgot lots of life.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Okay.
So it's not neutral in terms ofwe'll just paint everything
white and we're just going toget a beige rug and a beige sofa
.
Yes, it's about really rampingup.
It's not boring.
Yeah, ramping up the texture,the contrast and materials.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Materiality is probably the other one.
So having timber and terrazzoand a marble and a really highly
textured dare I say boucle, Imean you know they still have
their place as long as it's notcream with white walls.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
A highly textured was the key.
Yes, highly textured boucle.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
In fact the boucles that I love now.
I mean, I've actually alwaysloved a boucle.
We used to do a beautifulcarpet back in the day when I
was in the carpet industry.
Of this like boucle stylecarpet I kind of wish.
I mean I know they still exist,they're usually very expensive
but that there was a lot of highand low, so it wasn't like an
even texture, it was like reallykind of baubley and you know
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like you could feel the textureas soon as you touched it.
That's definitely and the mix ofthat.
So it can't all be the same.
It has to, you know, be a mixof those textures.
So you know like there might besomething finer, that's just
like a really plush velvet, butagainst that really textured um
fabric and fringing, even so,like it could be very neutral.
(41:29):
But then there's fringes onthings and skirts on, you know,
benches or the bottom of a sofa.
So there's a lot of tactility,there's a lot of materiality.
So whilst it's a very calmingspace in terms of the colour,
there's still lots of interesthappening in the room.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
So it seems like an easy option neutral I don't have
to, I'm actually cancelling outcolour.
Okay, that sounds easy, but itcould fall flat pretty easily if
you don't implement texture, Ithink so and contrasting
materials, but also even shape,like I think that if you are
just going with pretty, maybevery linear things, then it
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could look quite flat.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
So then that's why you need to throw in a gnarly
wood kind of like a live edgecoffee table or something like
that.
Organic Snap.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Yeah, we should count the amount of times we say the
same word at the same time.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Exactly.
No, that's it, I think.
And then we did have a littlenote about um.
You know, maybe pop in was likeone little smack of color, and
it's often red or burgundy yes,or you know, in that tone, just
like that unexpected red theorycould be a little stool or like,
not a lot of it.
That has to be the right balance, because that's the other thing
(42:50):
with the neutrals, I think, andyou know where we, when people
do think neutral is easy.
Um, I think neutrals areactually neutrals and whites are
some of the hardest colors toget right and people think it's
not until they start to look atit and then they go.
They go to the paint store,bunnings or whatever and they go
, oh yep, that's great white,and they bring it home and they
do a sample.
Or they just look at the chipat home and go hang on a minute.
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Now that doesn't look.
It looks kind of green or looksa bit pink, because it changes
so much the inference, or don'tyou mean until they've painted
the whole room that colour.
And then they realise thathappens right all the time,
please don't do that.
Please don't just walk in andbuy a tin of paint, thinking
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it's white, it doesn't matter,and bring it home and paint your
room.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
Please paint a test pot or get a large sample of it
and check it, because you willbe just lucky if it works, I
think.
Oh, I agree.
Um, so we can add thatunexpected red in terms of, I
think, as you said, a side table.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
I that or it could be .
Speaker 2 (43:52):
you know, I think I saw Tali Roth.
She did this base of a sofa inred and it just looks so
luxurious it's like a trim, adetail, an accent.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Yeah, it does add a sense of luxury.
You know there's a surprise andit's unexpected, but there is.
I think red does hurt towardsbeing it's weird.
Red is an interesting colorbecause it can feel very
luxurious or it can feel verykind of fast and you know, yeah,
not cheap, but you know I thinkit's.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
It needs to be paired with a lot of wood tones.
I think if you're wanting toadd that red into a white space,
it doesn't work connects backto warmth a little bit, because
the wood is obviously going tohave warmth in it yeah, it needs
to have the warmth it needs to.
It can't be like the shiny redsplashbacks in a white kitchen,
like that's not what we'retalking about.
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Sorry if you have that, becausethat's not an unexpected red.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
That's just a red that we've seen before in a bad
way 2000s thing, I don't know, Ifeel, oh, it's not good.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Um, and also I've noticed blue like a light, like
a neutral, almost right, yeah,light pale blue.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
It's not too green, it's not too purple, just sort
of sits in the middle.
It works.
So, honestly, blue and brown,or blue and neutral and earthy
tones is such a beautifulcombination, you know maybe add
a bit of chrome against all thewarmth ties it back to the blue
yeah, now we're talking lovethat and I think that that
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brings us to our seventh lookthat we are predicting for 2025,
which is more colour in ourbathrooms and kitchens For sure.
Yeah, we were talking about thisbefore and how I think it does
tie back to the very first trendof wanting kind of individual
spaces.
So you're looking to do thatthrough colour because you don't
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just want, like, a neutral tile, because, let's face it it, how
many neutral tiles are there?
How many white tiles are there?
Even if you pick one that noone else has, it's still going
to look like every otherbathroom.
So it's like trying topersonalize it through color and
I think that over the years,with the rise of the use of
color and seeing people use itand gaining confidence, we're
now at that point where we'vegot the confidence to invest in
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tiles or marble or somethingthat's a bit more of a permanent
thing than just paint on a wallor a cushion on a couch.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
We can kind of like take that leap now and have have
color in bathrooms and andkitchens as well I mean, I think
that an all-white kitchen, weare so fatigued by it, it does
feel dated to do an all-whitekitchen.
So we're like okay, well, whatare our options?
And I think an easy way, anaffordable way, is to do a color
(46:41):
, because timber kitchens areexpensive, yeah, but laminate is
quite well, it's fantastic,affordable, yeah, and there's so
many great colors that areavailable in laminates.
True, yeah, or even like atwo-pack paint finish.
Then you've got the whole paintcolor palette to choose from.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
And I think you know, as you said, you start small.
You start being exposed tospaces with a lot of color,
where then you're seeing less ofthose all-white spaces.
So you're gradually gettingmore used to seeing spaces in
colour.
You start accessorising andusing colour.
You start maybe adding a paintcolour and then you're working
your way up to going.
(47:20):
You know what I have dreamed ofa pink kitchen.
Yes, I think that's somethingwe talked about with Nicole.
We talked about that.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
Well, I remember once you went to me, I've dreamed of
a pink kitchen.
I went, really Didn't pick youhaving it, and you went no, no,
just as an example.
Oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
Yeah, exactly, I know exactly.
Maybe I don't know what colourhave I dreamed of as a kitchen?
I don't know.
I think really just any colour,I think it goes back to that.
I want a yellow kitchen Yellow,immersive, that immersive and
standing by it and loving it.
And I think even Evie in ourpast episode, I think it was for
her that yellow, that example-of painting the room yellow and
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just actually not realising howmuch it would add so much joy
into her everyday life.
Isn't that cool?
Speaker 1 (48:04):
Yeah, I mean, people do underrate colour and how
great it feels to have chosen acolour that you really love or
connect with, and I know that'smuch.
I think it is trickier to do.
I think people are very scaredof doing that for kitchen
cabinets because it's a lot moredifficult to change it.
But I think this is also where,probably, you know, engage a
designer or even just like whenyou're getting your kitchen done
(48:26):
, a kitchen designer who knowstheir stuff and when it comes to
colour and knows what works ina space in terms of scale and
where you're using it, becausewe're not necessarily saying
it's all one color.
It might just be you know thatthe top cabinets are a color, or
that you choose a beautifulstone that has like a little
thread of color through it andthen you pull that color out and
connect it back, so it stillhas to work really well all
(48:46):
together, and I think that'sthat is a trickier thing to do
potentially than just choosingall white.
But you won't regret it becauseyou'll have an amazing kitchen
that isn't dated, because itbelongs to you in that way,
because it's that combination.
Do you know what I mean?
Like you didn't go.
Oh well, white kitchens are in,so I'll have a white kitchen,
so it's the same as everyoneelse's.
When you decide to invest incolor or something different in
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your kitchen, it definitelybecomes uniquely yours, right?
Which is a trend.
Oh, I'm a fan.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
Back to that again, but I think it is.
I think we are just gettingexposed to more coloured spaces,
that we are hopefully going tofeel less scared.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
Yes.
I think so.
I think as don't.
I really do.
I think so too, yes, I reallydo.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
No more white kitchens, so good For do.
No more white kitchen, so goodfor now.
Yeah, I know it's so funnybecause we're both blabbing on
about it, yet we're going backinto our white kitchens, but
anyway.
So yeah, and I suppose this isthe thing as well you know we've
sort of said this before briethat you know, these are the
things we've observed, these arethe things that we have noticed
, because we're just alwaysobsessed and we're always
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looking.
It doesn't mean that we aredictating to you that you need
to change everything and throweverything out, like that's just
not what this is all about um.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
So, but you know, what we want is maybe there's
something you connected withthat we talked about, that.
You went yes, that's what Iwant, that's how I feel about
that particular way of living,or whatever it is.
Um, so it's just aboutawareness and knowing that you
have lots of options too.
There's never one trenddirection too, like you can take
something from everythingthat's going on and still make
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it your own space, or you cantake nothing and just stay with
whatever you have, but anyway.
But then why would you belistening to us in the first
place?
Speaker 2 (50:27):
Love it.
Well, yeah, I guess that's ourhope, isn't it?
That you create your home to bethe best it can be, and I think
that we know how fulfillingthat can be.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
Definitely yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
It's just worth it, it's worth thinking about it and
it's worth doing it.
So I think that's sort of wherewe're coming from.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
That sounded like a.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
Dulux ad.
Oh my God, I think Dulux shoulddefinitely come and sponsor us?
Speaker 1 (50:51):
Yeah, they need to now.
Well, it's been so fun to talkabout this because we're both
obviously quite passionate aboutit and, yeah, hopefully
everybody gets something from it, and we'd love you guys to, you
know, jump on our Instagram andpop some comments in when we
post.
Tell us what you think about it.
We really want to know Totally.
Speaker 2 (51:11):
So good.
Thanks, Brie.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
Thank you, Lauren Bye .
Speaker 2 (51:14):
Bye.
So thank you guys for listeningin and just a quick reminder if
you would like some help withthe interiors for your own home,
I can help you in a coursecalled the Style Studies
Essentials.
Or for designers out there,come into the Design Society for
business and marketing and allof the things.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
Yeah, and in the same show notes you'll find a link
to sign up for my soon to bereleased furniture collections,
pre-selected furniturecollections and cool trend
information, and then, in thefuture, some short courses on
styling and trends as well.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
So good Bree.
We've got the utmost respectfor the Wurundjeri people of the
Kulin Nation.
They're the OG custodians ofthis unceded land and its waters
, where we set up shop, createand call home and come to you.
From this podcast today, A bigshout out to all of the amazing
elders who have walked before us, those leading the way in the
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present and the emerging leaderswho will carry the torch into
the future.
We're just lucky to be on thisjourney together.
Welcome to Design Anatomy, the interior design
podcast hosted by friends andfellow designers.
Me, b Banfield.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
And me, Lauren Li, with some amazing guest
appearances along the way.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
We're here to break down everything from current
trends to timeless style.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
With a shared passion for joyful, colour-filled and
lived-in spaces.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
we're excited to share our insights and
inspiration with you and if youwant to know a little bit more
about what Lauren and I do inour day jobs, you can jump into
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Mine will take you to sign upto our newsletter for info on
trends, the short courses we'llbe releasing this year and also
our pre-selected collectionsthat help you decorate your home
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on a budget.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Lovely.
What a nice way to sort of kickoff the year with a nice plan.
You know, somebody can purchaseone of your collections and
they're sort of like you'reholding their hand almost.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Totally.
Yep, they get me a bit on abudget.
Yeah, it's really smart.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
That's really smart.
So if you wanted some help withyour interiors as well, um, I
have a course called the stylestudies essentials um.
So if you like some of thesekind of you know ideas that brie
and I are talking about becauseI think we're pretty much on
the same page with everythingright, Bree, um, in the course,
you know, I can really guide youthrough to make those decisions
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for your own home, and ifyou're an interior designer
listening, I'm helping you justbe the best designer that you
can be for 2025.
We are starting a group ofactually two groups.
We've got an emerging group,we've got an established group
of interior designers, and it'sjust a mentor group, and we've
got you.
We're here for you, we want tohear what you have to say, we
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really small bunch of interiordesigners together.
So it's going to be so fun.
Enough about that, though,because this is going to be such
a fun episode, Bree, we havegot so, so much to talk about.
So much in fact that we realizedwe couldn't even fit it into
one.
Yeah, so yes, today's episodeis all about the trends for 2025
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interior design trends.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
And we've kind of narrowed down what we think are
our favorites, so they're notnecessarily ranked from like one
to whatever we're going to do.
Seven, yes, and we're just.
They're the ones that we thinkare also probably going to last
a while too.
They're like enduring trends, Ithink.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Well, you know, Bree, that sort of brings up that
whole topic of you know the wordtrends.
It is kind of divisive.
It can be kind of triggeringfor people Like how do you sort
of define what a trend is?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Yeah, it is very triggering, particularly for
designers.
We find a lot of people we willask them about trends, right,
and they say, oh, we don'tfollow trends.
And I always find that not.
I find it amusing because Iknow they don't necessarily
follow trends.
They'd be very aware of thetrends, but they're often part
of the trend cycle, because whathappens is we have these early
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adopters who start doing thingsthat people notice, and it's not
just them.
It'll be multiple people whodon't know each other, but
they're all influenced bywhatever's happening in the
world or what they're taking in.
And it can be as simple as popculture, the movies they're
watching, the art exhibitsthey're going to what's
happening in terms of the globalmood, and then they seem to
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produce similar things.
And that's what we often lookfor when we're trend forecasting
is those threads that aren'tconnected, but you can see
something similar happening.
So that's a trend.
A trend is like a technicalthing it's not made up, it's an
observation of what's happeningor what's going to happen and
where it's heading.
And I think that the wordpeople get confused with when
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they get all kind of on theirtrends, or sort of fast fashion,
et cetera, is fad.
So for me, a fad is somethingthat's way more manufactured and
maybe influenced by a trend.
So they might go oh, the trendis vintage, so let's put out
something that's retro, that'scheap and nasty, that all the
teenagers are going to love,because the trend is vintage.
(04:10):
So the fad is that and that'sthe thing you see in the stores
that kind of gets sold out andall of those sort of things, and
it kind of feeds into that fastfashion.
So that's how I kind ofdifferentiate, because you can't
not be part of a trend, right?
It just that's what happens,which leads us really to our
first trend that we're going totalk about.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Oh, I just love that and I mean I think, yeah, you
and I are just on the same pageas that and I know that not
everybody sort of understandstrends in the way that we do,
but it's something I think abouta lot and, as you sort of said,
ryder, in the beginning, there,you know, a lot of designers
say I don't follow trends andit's like, well, you still need
to be aware of what those trendsand even what the fads are,
(04:54):
because you need to be aware ofit so that you can say that's
not for me, but I can see,that's what the Joneses next
door are wanting, that's whatyou know.
The I can see that's what theJoneses next door are wanting.
That's what you know.
The average kind of, you know,consumer is looking for yeah,
for sure, yeah, so yeah, it'sreally interesting and I think
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we spoke about.
You know if you are unsure ofwhat we are talking about.
When it comes to trends, Ithink there's nobody that put it
better than Meryl Streepherself in the Devil.
Wears Prada which we referencedin a previous episode.
It's just.
It sums it up perfectly for me,I think if you're living in the
culture, you are consumingcontent, you're in this.
You know political space thatwe're in right now, like you.
Just the interiors are just aresponse to that.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Definitely.
Yeah, pretty much everything wedo in life.
Unless you're living off thegrid and not being part of
society in some way, you'reinfluenced by a trend and trend.
You know we talk about trendsand we're obviously in the
interiors world.
Trends is a word that goesacross everything.
It's just something that we seehappening and it's an influence
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really.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Yeah, I feel like that's what made me laugh when I
saw someone post about thisfirst one that we're going to
say, which is the trend is notfollowing trends and the post
that I saw it was Nicholas S whoposted it and I had a laugh and
it was.
I think it was a Vogue.
It was probably more aboutfashion potentially, but it was
(06:25):
a Vogue kind of poll and I thinkwhat it said was like the one
that was overwhelmingly so, likeyou know, it had the little
line graph, overwhelminglypopular was and they called it
trends are done and I went okay,that's a trend.
That is so funny.
The trend is that trends areover, so it just can't escape it
(06:48):
.
So I thought that was kind ofalmost the best example.
And what it means is which we'lldive into is that people don't
want to just follow somethingblindly because someone said
this is the look and we haveseen that quite strongly happen
in the past, right With, I guess, Scandinavian's probably a
really good example.
I'm talking about the verycliched Scandinavian look and
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then that definitely got pickedup and really ran with that for
a very long time.
I guess that was a very stronginterior trend that got, I guess
, maybe even overused, I wouldsay, because it's kind of more
of a classic look when you pullit back and take it apart.
But I think what people aretrying to say is we want our own
space, we want it to reflect us, so we don't want it to reflect
a particular style, and so thetrend is to make it your own
(07:36):
right and I think that unlessyou know, as what you said at
the top, unless you are livingsomewhere like I, have a fifth
cousin who lives in the ArcticCircle.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I don't think Timo is following, he probably has a
trend of his own?
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Who knows?
I don't think Timo is followingany trends.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Egg fur, though Exactly Brain, deep fur, yeah.
So he's the only person I canthink of that doesn't follow any
trends.
And I also agree that it doesfeel good to feel like you know
what.
I've chosen this myself, I'veput this look together, I've
created this for my own, toreflect my own personality.
(08:16):
But you know, the fact is, inthis point of time, everybody
else is doing that and I thinkyou know, in our homes, to get
that look, that individuality,of individuality, a great way to
do that is through familyheirlooms or things that are
handed down.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yes, Because they're uniquely yours right.
No one else is going to havethat.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Well, I think they carry their own meaning.
You know, I've got thistapestry that I've hung up above
my fireplace and it's just, youknow, one of those things that
you've just seen throughout yourwhole entire life.
It's very comforting and itdoesn't have any meaning to
anyone else, but my nan had thatup in her house.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
You know, that's something for me and it's
something that I can't just goaround the corner and find at my
big box store Freedom, ikea,west, elm or something like that
.
But you know, as you also said,they will try to create that
look of something that almost isfaux distressed.
Yes, that has a look of agewhen it actually isn't old, and
(09:15):
I think that's when we get intofad territory.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, the things that make your home
your own will often be thosethings that have been handed
down.
Or, like another point we hadwas you know something that's to
do with your culture.
So it could be you know thatyou have family in India and you
go back there every year andyou pick something up there and
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you bring that home with you.
Or it's just your travels.
You know it might not be yourparticular culture.
You really love traveling andso every time you travel, you
pick out a vase or an artwork orsomething small that you bring
home with you.
I try and do that, for sure,and then that has meaning as
well.
So I think the other thing withthis trend is it's also trying
to make sure there's meaning inin the interior and why it's
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there.
You didn't just sort of walkinto a store and go okay, I
really like that, that, that andthat.
Let's put it all together,which is fine as well, but
people don't.
People want to be in spaceswhere they feel connected.
They feel connected to it, andto feel connected to it it's
often a memory of where it camefrom or why you bought it or why
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you love it, all of that stuff,Whereas when you walk into a
store I mean, I had furniturefor a while where my memories
connected to it weren't greatbecause there was arguments
about buying- these things youknow, like, and I, and that was
what was connected to thesepieces, and so there weren't
wasn't great vibes, right, youneed the vibes to be good in the
pieces you have.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Totally.
And I think you know we hadsuch a great conversation with
Brem in a couple of episodes agoand you know he was just like
shocked.
He's shocked when he hasclients and I've felt the same.
They have nothing, they havenothing.
You know, I've had a client whowas in her sixties and she was
downsizing and she had nofurniture.
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She'd sold it all but you know,maybe that was a way for her
wanting a clean slate orwhatever the reasons, were, I
didn't go into it, but that'swhy I love it when a client has
a piece of furniture they havebought when they were overseas
or they've moved and they'verelocated and it's something
that they have with them and Ibuild a concept around it.
But it is kind of funny becausewhen we look at our Vogue
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Living and our Bell magazines,they're the very items that are
taken out of a photo shoot.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Often they are, except for at the moment, I
think, because those are thethings that are creating this
look, and I think that I canalmost tell her sometimes, you
know, you'll see a shoot.
I was looking at somethingrecently and everything in the
room was individually amazingpieces, but it lacked that thing
where you were like this feelslike someone's home, not a
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showroom or a gallery, and youcan sort of lose that a little
bit in that high end too.
So I think that's what we'reseeing happen in that high end
space is that maybe, and maybethe designers are sort of the
ones kind of pushing this aswell.
They are kind of encouragingpeople to go.
Actually, that's you might kindof think that's daggy because
it's come from you know, yourgreat-grandparents or whatever,
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but actually, when we put it inthis context, it becomes this
unique piece that nobody elsehas and it makes the room,
because it gives the roomsomething that it didn't have
before right, and that's, Iguess, part of our job.
To do that too is to, you know,try and get them to see it in a
different light that's exactlywhat I was going to say.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
I think that's a great designer that can come in
and see something that theclient you know we see something
so often you don't even see it,you know like my tapestry, for
sure you know if you're ifyou're a designer, you can
actually see that with a freshcontext and think, no, if I pair
it with this and this, we cangive it a new lease of life and
it can help tell your story.
And if you don't, you know ifyou went through that
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Scandinavian phase and you justgot rid of all your stuff?
you don't have things.
I still think you can get thatlook, but it's not from your big
box stores, it's from going tojust your local op shop, yes,
and finding something thatsomebody else bought on their
travels.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Yeah, or, marketplace is always great too, right?
Speaker 2 (13:12):
I mean, there's a bit of digging that you have to do
absolutely obsessed withmarketplace and she's found some
incredible things, and theseare on a budget as well.
But I still think that eventhough it doesn't tell your
story those objects, thosepieces of furniture they still
tell a story and.
I think they just give a room,instant soul and atmosphere,
(13:33):
yeah, so you know, going to yourop shops, going on marketplace,
finding some things thatsomebody else bought on their
travel, and you can carry onthat story and I love trying to
like make up, but I'll, if I buystuff, I have to make up a
story about like who had it andwhat they did.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
That's cute, that's cute I love it In my head.
You know, like, whatever it was, I won't go into it now because
I've gone for too long, butyeah, it's nice to just make up
a little imaginative story aboutit.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I think you can still get that well-travelled look
even if you haven't travelled,so don't let that stop you.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
I think that leads on to our number two sort of
interior design trend for 2025,which is really that overarching
theme of spaces that are livedin.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Definitely.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
And I mean that's something that I bang on about a
bit and I mean you're thinking,hang on, what do you mean lived
in?
Obviously, we live in ourhouses, but I think it's
previous sort of styles thatclean, almost again.
Going back to that Scandinavianlook there's cupboards, put
everything away, and the minutethat you put your phone down on
the kitchen island bench itstands out because everything is
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so packed away that you can'teven relax and live in your
space.
And yeah, I guess that's mychildhood everything had to be
always put away, so I feel very,um rebellious leaving stuff out
.
So I love this lived in?
Speaker 1 (14:57):
look, yeah, it definitely is.
Uh, I feel like it's it's kindof just pushing back on the fact
that we're seeing a lot ofoverly curated spaces, I think
in the past.
And then AI images, which arequite perfect right, they're a
little bit too perfect.
There's something missing there, and so what we're seeing is
this you know, we want spaces tobe real, we want authenticity,
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and so sometimes that comes with, you know, a bit of clutter and
the fact that, well, this isthe space that I live in and
read books or whatever it is youdo there, so it needs to look
like that.
I do that.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yeah, like I think exactly what you said.
It's a space that we live in, somake it look like we live in it
and actually create and designour spaces to allow for that
ease of living that things stilllook great when there is a spot
to put them on display, whereasI think, with you know, there's
really clinical white kitchenswhere there was just overhead
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cupboards, storage, storage,storage for days, which don't
get me wrong.
That's fantastic.
And we're not talking aboutleaving your Tupperware out on
display.
It's those, you know, handmadeyour favourite mugs, your
favourite dishes, your favourite, you know, salt and pepper
grinders, like they're aestheticappliances that you leave out.
Yes, yeah, and it's just partof living with ease.
(16:18):
It's like effortless.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
I struggled with that for a long time.
I have to say I hate stuff onkitchen benches.
I don't even like my toaster.
I mean.
I guess if you had likesomething was quite beautiful.
Mine are pretty basic stainlesssteel, not super fancy.
But I've recently, I think,moved towards going.
No, you know, I actually like abit of the olive oil and the
(16:43):
salt dish and that stuff becauseit does feel more real and then
you can think about thosethings in a more fun way and go
okay.
Well, if they're going to be onthe bench, why don't we make
them cute and add to theaesthetic of the space?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
But I did struggle with that.
I know it is a huge, yeah, mindshift, I guess, but I think it
comes back to you're not overlystyled, easy, and I think you
know we want to talk aboutkitchens and kitchen trends in a
whole other episode, becausethere's so many things to talk
about with you know.
Kitchens and that in terms ofmateriality, design and just how
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we're living in our kitchensyeah, definitely too much to
talk about today.
And I suppose when we'retalking about those lived-in
interiors, it's engaging allfive senses as well, which I
love, definitely.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
I mean, you and I are huge fans of music that can set
a mood.
Lighting we've talked aboutthis and we'll probably continue
to.
You know, rattle on about howimportant lighting is, but then
scent as well, right?
So so you know, using beautifulcandles and even that comes
back to lighting as well.
(17:53):
I was away on New Year's Eve ata beautiful home down in Rye
and I remember sort of sittingthere at night with the group of
people and how wonderful it wasthat there were I think there
was maybe some lights on in thebackground that were pointed at
something beautiful, but we justhad like two taper candles and
then some lower sort of lanterncandles on the table and
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everyone just sitting around and, wow, it was so relaxing.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
And everyone looks good too.
It's very flattering light.
Well, I've gone to the darkside because I have bought fake
candles.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Wow, they are easier.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
You know why, though, are they the right?
Speaker 1 (18:30):
color though.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
They are.
I got them from West Elm andthey do a really nice flicker as
well.
It was because I'm so sick ofreplacing my candles, because
I've got them outside in like aglass lantern at the front door
like kind of like a Scandinaviankind of thing, and they melt in
the sun and I'm like, oh,that's so annoying, they keep
melting and falling over, andspilling everywhere.
So anyway, I think that it'sactually beautiful.
(18:54):
It does give you that ambienceand I mean, yeah, nothing beats
the real thing, but in a, youknow, southern hemisphere summer
.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Sometimes we need a bit of practicality.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah, they melt, but yeah, I think, lighting it just
definitely if you can createpockets of light where you are
actually living or ambient lightas a backdrop.
You know, as you said, Lots ofoptions of lights, like don't
just have.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
I mean, I think a lot of people would just go I have
down lights and then there's afull stop after that.
It's so easy to add just lamps,just add lamps, put candles on
the table.
You know, when you're chillingout at night, turn it off, even
if you're watching the tv, likejust having a lamp as well.
I don't know.
There's just something aboutthat mood that can be created
with lighting.
Anyway, we'll off.
(19:40):
We're probably going to go onabout lighting forever, but
forever.
I'm never going to stop becauseit's so impactful but that sort
of comes back to like when yousaid um, creating like spaces
where the light sort of I don'tknow delineates an area, um that
that's the other thing we'reseeing is like people creating
beautiful little corners intheir home or I guess we would
(20:02):
call it a vignette where youknow there might be a beautiful
chair and maybe it's not a chairyou even sit on, it's a little
bit sculptural, or it's an oldervintage piece and it has a
little table next to it, maybethere's a plant, maybe there's a
lamp or a little piece of art.
But just creating those littlemoments where, when you walk
through your home and you clockthat, you kind of go.
Oh, I love that you have thatlittle moment of going.
Oh, I love that.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
That's I think something that's happening too.
I love that and I've actuallysaid that to a client.
I said once well, we've got oursofa here, this is where we're
going to.
You know, sink in, enjoywatching tv.
But we'll have like an armchair, but maybe a slightly
sculptural armchair.
Probably wouldn't sit in itevery day.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
And he just looked at me like I had three heads well,
some people are overlypractical and don't I think they
undervalue um beauty in a way.
Right, not everything has tohave a practical use.
It can be there just to bringyou joy, and that is its
definition.
Like it doesn't have to be.
What am I going to sit on thatchair for?
(21:00):
Well, you're not.
Maybe you'll put your shoes onone day, but maybe you'll never
sit on it.
But you'll have those momentswhere you look at it and go it's
beautiful, I love it.
That's just as important,surely.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Yeah, a chair in a hall at the end of a hallway,
but if there's three peopleliving in their home and there's
enough sofa space for them, andthen that extra chair is for
when you have guests over.
Yeah, you might not be sittingon there for two hours watching
your Netflix series or whatever,but yeah, I think that is
something that people reallystruggle with, that putting
aesthetics sometimes in front ofcomfort.
We're not totally throwingcomfort out the door because
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we've still got our comfortablesofa, but I don't know, does
that kind of go against thatlifting look?
Well, I think it's aboutenjoying your space and really
enjoying and living in everypart of it, even if it's comfort
for sitting in and I've sort ofsaid that, comfort for the eye
to be really enjoying everysingle corner.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Yeah, so, like you know, I think that if your whole
home feels like some kind ofgallery or showroom or you know
interiors showroom, where youkind of just like put everything
there and there's no love in it, there's no lived in aspect,
then that's what we're sort ofsaying isn't like that very
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minimalist look where everythingis put away and there's no hint
of a human.
That's what we're saying iskind of not working.
The opposite of that is what wewant.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Love it.
I heard this term bookshelfwealth and I was like, oh, I
love that and again it's aboutnot always putting away
everything, and remember thattrend where there was, you would
face your book spines the otherway, so that all you would see
is like a white beige sort ofyes, that's ridiculous.
It's very contved.
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It's not about living in aspace.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
No, it's about filling shelves, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yeah, it's meaningless.
Whereas bookshelf wealth.
The way I like to interpretthat is that books are not
colour-coded, they are just.
They're not perfectly arranged.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
It's just an abundance of books and again,
it's something that you can'tjust get in a day that's so true
, I have a slight obsession withbooks, which you probably
already know, but I like oldbooks as well, like trying to
find older books and not justbuying lots of new ones.
I do try and avoid the colourcoding, because there's
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definitely a part of me thatwants to do that.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Oh, I love doing it, don't get me wrong, and I don't
rainbow it, but I do lightlygroove them into black books.
Yes, it needs to still beaesthetic to me.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
I've seen some bookshelves which have a whole
heap of fantastic books on there, but it does my head in.
I look at it and it kind ofalmost gives me anxiety because
it just looks so much better.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Yeah, yeah, I don't want to pull them all out and
rearrange them.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Like a crooked picture.
You know it's like.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Oh, I know, I think it's all the different.
I think maybe grouping theminto size would be better.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Yeah, definitely, because if they're all like I
think they've also it can't betoo crazy to the eye Like you
need.
I think it can't be too crazyto the eye.
You need to have I don't knowsome logic to the bookshelf,
even if it's about what you havethere.
Maybe you've got it in kind ofgenres or something you know, or
your travel books are togetherand you know your novels are in
a different spot and often thatkind of ends up being similar
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sizes anyway, but yeah, you knowFlack Studio David has an
incredible collection of books,yeah, and I love to go in and
have a look at his bookshelvesbecause they just look just
absolutely wealthy with books.
Yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Well, so we've talked about this lived-in look, which
I think.
Then, our next trend we'venoticed is back to formal living
rooms with no TVs or screens.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
I don't think we have to be careful of the word
formal, don't we?
I?
Do think that because Becausewe're saying you still use.
I feel like when we grew up, aformal living room was like the
good front room that nobody satin.
It just looked beautiful andmum was like don't put that
there or whatever it is, whereaswe're saying it's dusty.
It can still be obviously abeautiful, you know good front
room but it's used, but not towatch tv that's right.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
So what do you think about um a room with no big
black square on the wall?
Speaker 1 (25:27):
yes, placing that.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Placing that with an artwork how fabulous, yeah, and
then reorientating the furnituretowards people.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
So that we're having conversations, yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
So I think that would be quite indulgent, quite
luxurious to have a space likethat.
But I also think, coming backto trends, yes, are people
tuning into the six o'clock newsevery night?
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Never.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
No, that would be depressing, but my dad would it
would be In fact.
I think I've been to his placebefore.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
He's like we've been doing something else and
suddenly he's like putting theTV, and so I'm like what are you
doing?
He goes six o'clock, it's timefor the news.
Oh we still do that.
I just go and get my news whenI feel like it because we've got
access to that Right and I alsoI mean we won't get too
political.
But I also find like generally,depending on what channel
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you're watching, that's not thenews I want to watch.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I know, I know, but I think it does come back to you
know, trends.
You know people go oh, they'rejust not important.
And who cares about trends?
I People go oh, they're justnot important.
And who cares about trends?
I don't follow trends.
Well, I think.
Not watching the 6 o'clock newshas been a huge change in our
viewing habits.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Well, it's streaming too right, it's access to things
when we want them, whereasbefore you'd be like, oh you
know, I'm trying to think of anexample Dawson's Creek is on at
8.30 or whatever, and we have toall be in the lounge room
watching it.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
We saw something quite cool about that too.
Yeah, we used to do that.
That's true, because now wecould all be in different rooms
watching different things quiteeasily, and I think that does
segment a family a little bit,where you would all come
together to watch a show,whereas now everyone's on their
own individual screen.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
But maybe that opens it up right to having the room
that doesn't have the screen andit's just so like because
there's a screen in the bedroomor there's a portable screen.
You kind of watch a lot ofstuff on my iPad that you take
from room to room, so maybe theTV becomes a little bit less
important because we're notcentralized around being in that
space watching that one screen.
So it opens it up to maybebeing a room where you hang out,
have a conversation, have adrink, play a board game, read a
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book, all of that stuff, Loveit.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Well, I mean, that's what I was wondering.
People think trends aren'timportant, but here is a big
trend and it's directlyinfluencing how we live in our
spaces.
Yeah directly influencing howwe live in our spaces.
But do you think it's a roomdevoid of screens altogether?
Because I think, as you said,people have their individual
screens and maybe instead ofhaving that one communal screen,
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we all have our own individualscreens, and then we need to
allow for provisions like powerso that if you are on your
laptop, ipad, you can plug in.
I mean, I'm just trying to feellike real life here.
It would be so cool if we alljust sat around and talked but
in real life not everybody has.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Um we're talking about bram again, but I'm just
thinking he gave a really greatexample of them being in a small
.
You know um, he was anapartment space and they ended
up putting the tv room in likekind of their spare room and it
just changed the whole way theylive.
So they went specifically inthere to watch something and
that was the space with the TV,and then they kept their kind of
main living area without a TVso that it was a bit more
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conducive to conversation andother things, and I love that.
But I'll put it out there thatsay, most families might not
have the option for a TV roomand a living room, or even if we
call it a formal lounge room.
So I think the option there isto try and have a TV that can be
a piece of art.
(29:00):
You know the Samsung frameThank you, had a moment, and I
think it is obviously more TVsthat do that now or it's hidden.
In comes your designer piece ofjoinery sliding door, something
clever.
I've seen so many clever hacksfor that, though that aren't,
you know, big joinery piecesthat cost a fortune.
Yeah, so maybe it's about justminimizing the focus of the room
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around that one black box.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
I think that you know is something we have strived
for for many years, interiordesigners.
Whenever the client says thinkthat you know is something we
have strived for for many years,interior designers.
Whenever the client says, oh no, you know, he wants the biggest
TV that's on the market, youjust your heart sinks.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
But I think it's becoming more of a reality.
I think that slowly we areseeing a shift away from wanting
that big black square on thewall.
Yeah for sure, time will tell.
We can hope, yes, yes, we canhope yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
We have touched on this one, but vintage and
antiques and you've done alittle bit of a like we had this
conversation before.
But okay, antique versusvintage what's the difference
and what was your take on that,lauren?
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Well, I always just understood that antiques were
anything older than 100 yearsold.
So therefore, when we describesomething as vintage, it's
something that's not as old as100 years.
So it could be something fromthe 70s and 80s.
And I think I grew up you knowmy mum and still does go to
antique stores all the time, sowe were just dragged through
antique store after antiquestore as kids Don't touch this,
(30:30):
don't touch this, don't touchthat.
Are we going yet?
And my mum, you know, boughtlots of antiques and back in the
80s and 90s there was a hugecountry, almost a bit of a
Victorian revival, and my mumwas all in on that.
And we have seen all of theseincredible pieces handcrafted
(30:52):
wood, inlay, one-of-a-kindpieces be sold for next to
nothing and my prediction ismaybe not this year, but in a
few years time, we actually seea huge appreciation for even
going back, as you know,victorian pieces in our homes,
because they are one-of kind,they are quality, they are
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readily available and they'rereally affordable.
I don't know.
I was doing a lot of researchtrying to find examples of
interiors with these olderantiques and I didn't find a lot
.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
But yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
I did see Brim as we were talking about.
He comes up a lot because Ilove his work.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
He's just imparted too much wisdom for us not to
reference him.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
He really did.
But I think the key is if youare using an incredible antique
piece brown furniture, it's kindof known as you need to pair it
with a contemporary artwork andit creates that really cool
tension and it needs to be notall antiques's mingling within
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other areas, not about creatinga look that's from one specific
um point in time.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
It needs to.
It needs to be relevant bymaking, because I feel like it
starts to feel a bitreproduction, even if it's real
right.
If everything is of aparticular moment and that's not
, I don't know, I don't feellike it's relevant, but what?
what is relevant is having lotsof moments from different eras
brought together to makesomething meaningful in a space
right, and that's the difference, I think, when we when we talk
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about antique and I feel like we, that probably brings to mind
somewhere that's quite stuffyand and, like you said, like
don't touch anything, you know,sort of those sort of spaces, um
, but this look that we'reheading towards, like don't
touch anything, you know, sortof those sort of spaces, but
this look that we're headingtowards, which is a bit more,
you know, even just that livedin or you know, having that
meaning, that individualconnection, that's where it can
come from, adding those sort ofspecial pieces, particularly if
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you've spent time hunting itdown.
I think Totally that gives it alot more meaning, doesn't it?
Oh, definitely, I think Totallyit gives it a lot more meaning,
doesn't it?
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Oh, definitely, yeah, I think that it is mid-century
modern, has been so strong andhas really dominated, and I
think what we're going to seeless of is that kind of museum.
Look, here's the classic,iconic mid-century pieces
everywhere.
It's about having, definitely,you know, holding onto them, but
it's mingling with those, oh,unexpected, incredible inlay
(33:16):
dresser next to the artwork,next to the mid century piece
and the 1930s unusual lamp.
I don't know, Like I thinkAthena Calderon is doing that as
well.
She's got an amazing mid-centurybeach house.
She's mixed in pieces from the70s, even older and contemporary
(33:40):
.
That's really interesting.
It's kind of a collector look,isn't it?
Speaker 1 (33:44):
It's like you've been collecting things that you love
and then you're sort ofbringing them all together and
it does hark back as well to areally important, forever
overarching trend that you knowwill never stop now, which is
sustainability.
So it's far more sustainable to, you know, search for pieces,
particularly locally, that havebeen pre-loved, yes, and you
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just giving them a new lease oflife by putting them into your
space or even restoring them insome way or upholstering them in
something fun and sort ofshifting the narrative a little
bit of a piece that's maybevintage, but then you put a
modern fabric, or maybe it getsrepainted or whatever it is.
But that feeds into thateclectic look, but it also feeds
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into a need for being moresustainable with what we put in
our homes, right?
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Definitely.
And you know, because you knowI might be saying, oh, you know,
we're seeing less mid-century.
It doesn't mean, oh my God,well, I've got these amazing
mid-century pieces.
Do I need to change that?
Of course not.
But you know, as we weretalking to our friend Simone,
simone Haig, a few weeks ago agoand in one of her clients has
an Eames lounge chair and againit's an iconic piece we've just
(34:55):
seen so often, andreupholstering that in an
unexpected fabric just gives ita whole new lease of life.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
For sure?
Speaker 2 (35:03):
So yeah, it's just reimagining those pieces and
making them a little lesspredictable, Definitely so.
Number five is color drenching,which we have seen in the past
few years.
But what about pattern?
Speaker 1 (35:17):
drenching.
Yes, I love this and I alsothink, like you know, the
drenching is a new word, butreally we mean, you know, like
immersive color or even colorblocking, which was when we
started to see those tonalinteriors.
So color blocking became lessabout like literally a block of
color on a wall or whatever, andmore about the fact that you
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chose a color like a blue or aterracotta, and then you use
that color in differentinferences throughout the space.
And now you know, the extensionof that is having lots of
pattern and a clash of pattern,you know so, also usually with
colour and not and kind ofmaking sure.
I think the way to do it ismixing the scale of the pattern
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and the style of it.
So you could have, like youknow, a tiny floral with a wide
stripe, or, but, like you know,it doesn't have to be two, it
could be ten.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Well, I think that the person that has done it.
One of the best ways is nicolenicole from atelier nd like
looking at her examples is sheuses a small scale pattern,
almost like a paint color yeaharound as a backdrop, a small
scale pattern, and then, becauseit's a small scale, people
(36:29):
think oh my god, isn't thatgoing to be so busy?
It's actually the opposite.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Your eye doesn't read every single intricate pattern.
Yeah, you're right, we both didthis with.
And then, because it's a smallscale, people think, oh my God,
isn't that going to be so busy?
Speaker 2 (36:36):
It's actually the opposite, your eye doesn't read
every single intricate pattern.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Yeah, you're right, we both did this with our
fingers, like a little dusting,a little pattern.
It's our version of jazz hands,interior hands.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
But it's, yeah, it's a small scale pattern.
It reads as a I don't know anoverall surrounding, immersive,
I guess, as you say, immersivebackdrop to a larger scale
pattern.
Yeah, and I think that's thekey Small scale plus a wider
stripe, a big scale pattern.
So when we meet, we just meanthe pattern repeat.
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How often that little scalepattern repeats and tying it
together with similar colours?
Yeah, so that's key as well.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
And I get that look is not going to be for everyone.
It's that maximalism look thatwe've spoken to Evie about.
But I think that you choose thepatterns or the colours that
you really love and you knowthat's the thing we've talked
about as well is that you'redecorating.
It's a joyful look.
It's not a serious look.
It's one you do because youwant to feel like uplifted in
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that space or like you know it'sa bit quirky and it makes you
smile, like it's definitely, youknow, looking for joy, I think.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
And it's not an accidental space.
Those spaces are very carefullyconsidered and very carefully
planned because color drenchingI mean that's quite bold to
choose a paint color.
Paint the walls, trims, doors,ceiling, in all the one color.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
But pattern drenching is really for the brave.
You really can't just happen onthat by accident.
It is quite planned.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
I think we've also seen material drenching, so that
could be even, you know, marblekitchens, marble bench, marble
splashback, marble shelf, yeah,even, maybe even marble cupboard
fronts, like there's that kindof that material just really
going hard on that yeah, yeah,making a very strong statement
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with one particular material.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Yeah, material drenching, yeah, drenching
everything.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Maybe even tile it's very wet out there it is.
You know, we get carried awaywith these terms, don't we?
We do.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Well, I guess they're not backlash to that.
But there's a reason it existsand we've already referred to it
in our other episode where wetalked about what's out and we
just use neutrals as an exampleof trends that are kind of
coming through and why.
But neutrals are definitely onthe rise.
We obviously saw a huge rise incolor and people gaining so
(39:10):
much confidence in the use ofcolor, which is fantastic, and
neutrals are always there in thebackground, but I think that
popularity is sort of rising nowbecause of that comfort factor
and people do want to feel safeand those neutral tones,
particularly the warm ones, Idon't think we're talking about.
You know, when we say neutral,neutral technically means it
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sort of isn't warm or cool andsort of sits in the middle and
can work with everything.
We're talking about lots ofreally warm, light and dark
tones.
It's earthy and grounding, notsort of lots of whites and cool
tones and in that sort ofminimalist way we're talking
about, I guess, maximalist useof neutral, which comes into
(39:54):
right, it's like, because itcomes back to.
You know, what used to be myfavourite word and now I use it
probably 500 times a day istactility.
It has to be tactile and that'show we connect to it.
It's not soulless it's stillgot lots of life.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Okay.
So it's not neutral in terms ofwe'll just paint everything
white and we're just going toget a beige rug and a beige sofa
.
Yes, it's about really rampingup.
It's not boring.
Yeah, ramping up the texture,the contrast and materials.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Materiality is probably the other one.
So having timber and terrazzoand a marble and a really highly
textured dare I say boucle, Imean you know they still have
their place as long as it's notcream with white walls.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
A highly textured was the key.
Yes, highly textured boucle.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
In fact the boucles that I love now.
I mean, I've actually alwaysloved a boucle.
We used to do a beautifulcarpet back in the day when I
was in the carpet industry.
Of this like boucle stylecarpet I kind of wish.
I mean I know they still exist,they're usually very expensive
but that there was a lot of highand low, so it wasn't like an
even texture, it was like reallykind of baubley and you know
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like you could feel the textureas soon as you touched it.
That's definitely and the mix ofthat.
So it can't all be the same.
It has to, you know, be a mixof those textures.
So you know like there might besomething finer, that's just
like a really plush velvet, butagainst that really textured um
fabric and fringing, even so,like it could be very neutral.
(41:29):
But then there's fringes onthings and skirts on, you know,
benches or the bottom of a sofa.
So there's a lot of tactility,there's a lot of materiality.
So whilst it's a very calmingspace in terms of the colour,
there's still lots of interesthappening in the room.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
So it seems like an easy option neutral I don't have
to, I'm actually cancelling outcolour.
Okay, that sounds easy, but itcould fall flat pretty easily if
you don't implement texture, Ithink so and contrasting
materials, but also even shape,like I think that if you are
just going with pretty, maybevery linear things, then it
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could look quite flat.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
So then that's why you need to throw in a gnarly
wood kind of like a live edgecoffee table or something like
that.
Organic Snap.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Yeah, we should count the amount of times we say the
same word at the same time.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Exactly.
No, that's it, I think.
And then we did have a littlenote about um.
You know, maybe pop in was likeone little smack of color, and
it's often red or burgundy yes,or you know, in that tone, just
like that unexpected red theorycould be a little stool or like,
not a lot of it.
That has to be the right balance, because that's the other thing
(42:50):
with the neutrals, I think, andyou know where we, when people
do think neutral is easy.
Um, I think neutrals areactually neutrals and whites are
some of the hardest colors toget right and people think it's
not until they start to look atit and then they go.
They go to the paint store,bunnings or whatever and they go
, oh yep, that's great white,and they bring it home and they
do a sample.
Or they just look at the chipat home and go hang on a minute.
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Now that doesn't look.
It looks kind of green or looksa bit pink, because it changes
so much the inference, or don'tyou mean until they've painted
the whole room that colour.
And then they realise thathappens right all the time,
please don't do that.
Please don't just walk in andbuy a tin of paint, thinking
(43:39):
it's white, it doesn't matter,and bring it home and paint your
room.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
Please paint a test pot or get a large sample of it
and check it, because you willbe just lucky if it works, I
think.
Oh, I agree.
Um, so we can add thatunexpected red in terms of, I
think, as you said, a side table.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
I that or it could be .
Speaker 2 (43:52):
you know, I think I saw Tali Roth.
She did this base of a sofa inred and it just looks so
luxurious it's like a trim, adetail, an accent.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Yeah, it does add a sense of luxury.
You know there's a surprise andit's unexpected, but there is.
I think red does hurt towardsbeing it's weird.
Red is an interesting colorbecause it can feel very
luxurious or it can feel verykind of fast and you know, yeah,
not cheap, but you know I thinkit's.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
It needs to be paired with a lot of wood tones.
I think if you're wanting toadd that red into a white space,
it doesn't work connects backto warmth a little bit, because
the wood is obviously going tohave warmth in it yeah, it needs
to have the warmth it needs to.
It can't be like the shiny redsplashbacks in a white kitchen,
like that's not what we'retalking about.
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Sorry if you have that, becausethat's not an unexpected red.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
That's just a red that we've seen before in a bad
way 2000s thing, I don't know, Ifeel, oh, it's not good.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Um, and also I've noticed blue like a light, like
a neutral, almost right, yeah,light pale blue.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
It's not too green, it's not too purple, just sort
of sits in the middle.
It works.
So, honestly, blue and brown,or blue and neutral and earthy
tones is such a beautifulcombination, you know maybe add
a bit of chrome against all thewarmth ties it back to the blue
yeah, now we're talking lovethat and I think that that
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brings us to our seventh lookthat we are predicting for 2025,
which is more colour in ourbathrooms and kitchens For sure.
Yeah, we were talking about thisbefore and how I think it does
tie back to the very first trendof wanting kind of individual
spaces.
So you're looking to do thatthrough colour because you don't
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just want, like, a neutral tile, because, let's face it it, how
many neutral tiles are there?
How many white tiles are there?
Even if you pick one that noone else has, it's still going
to look like every otherbathroom.
So it's like trying topersonalize it through color and
I think that over the years,with the rise of the use of
color and seeing people use itand gaining confidence, we're
now at that point where we'vegot the confidence to invest in
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tiles or marble or somethingthat's a bit more of a permanent
thing than just paint on a wallor a cushion on a couch.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
We can kind of like take that leap now and have have
color in bathrooms and andkitchens as well I mean, I think
that an all-white kitchen, weare so fatigued by it, it does
feel dated to do an all-whitekitchen.
So we're like okay, well, whatare our options?
And I think an easy way, anaffordable way, is to do a color
(46:41):
, because timber kitchens areexpensive, yeah, but laminate is
quite well, it's fantastic,affordable, yeah, and there's so
many great colors that areavailable in laminates.
True, yeah, or even like atwo-pack paint finish.
Then you've got the whole paintcolor palette to choose from.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
And I think you know, as you said, you start small.
You start being exposed tospaces with a lot of color,
where then you're seeing less ofthose all-white spaces.
So you're gradually gettingmore used to seeing spaces in
colour.
You start accessorising andusing colour.
You start maybe adding a paintcolour and then you're working
your way up to going.
(47:20):
You know what I have dreamed ofa pink kitchen.
Yes, I think that's somethingwe talked about with Nicole.
We talked about that.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
Well, I remember once you went to me, I've dreamed of
a pink kitchen.
I went, really Didn't pick youhaving it, and you went no, no,
just as an example.
Oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
Yeah, exactly, I know exactly.
Maybe I don't know what colourhave I dreamed of as a kitchen?
I don't know.
I think really just any colour,I think it goes back to that.
I want a yellow kitchen Yellow,immersive, that immersive and
standing by it and loving it.
And I think even Evie in ourpast episode, I think it was for
her that yellow, that example-of painting the room yellow and
(47:57):
just actually not realising howmuch it would add so much joy
into her everyday life.
Isn't that cool?
Speaker 1 (48:04):
Yeah, I mean, people do underrate colour and how
great it feels to have chosen acolour that you really love or
connect with, and I know that'smuch.
I think it is trickier to do.
I think people are very scaredof doing that for kitchen
cabinets because it's a lot moredifficult to change it.
But I think this is also where,probably, you know, engage a
designer or even just like whenyou're getting your kitchen done
(48:26):
, a kitchen designer who knowstheir stuff and when it comes to
colour and knows what works ina space in terms of scale and
where you're using it, becausewe're not necessarily saying
it's all one color.
It might just be you know thatthe top cabinets are a color, or
that you choose a beautifulstone that has like a little
thread of color through it andthen you pull that color out and
connect it back, so it stillhas to work really well all
(48:46):
together, and I think that'sthat is a trickier thing to do
potentially than just choosingall white.
But you won't regret it becauseyou'll have an amazing kitchen
that isn't dated, because itbelongs to you in that way,
because it's that combination.
Do you know what I mean?
Like you didn't go.
Oh well, white kitchens are in,so I'll have a white kitchen,
so it's the same as everyoneelse's.
When you decide to invest incolor or something different in
(49:08):
your kitchen, it definitelybecomes uniquely yours, right?
Which is a trend.
Oh, I'm a fan.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
Back to that again, but I think it is.
I think we are just gettingexposed to more coloured spaces,
that we are hopefully going tofeel less scared.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
Yes.
I think so.
I think as don't.
I really do.
I think so too, yes, I reallydo.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
No more white kitchens, so good For do.
No more white kitchen, so goodfor now.
Yeah, I know it's so funnybecause we're both blabbing on
about it, yet we're going backinto our white kitchens, but
anyway.
So yeah, and I suppose this isthe thing as well you know we've
sort of said this before briethat you know, these are the
things we've observed, these arethe things that we have noticed
, because we're just alwaysobsessed and we're always
(49:49):
looking.
It doesn't mean that we aredictating to you that you need
to change everything and throweverything out, like that's just
not what this is all about um.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
So, but you know, what we want is maybe there's
something you connected withthat we talked about, that.
You went yes, that's what Iwant, that's how I feel about
that particular way of living,or whatever it is.
Um, so it's just aboutawareness and knowing that you
have lots of options too.
There's never one trenddirection too, like you can take
something from everythingthat's going on and still make
(50:19):
it your own space, or you cantake nothing and just stay with
whatever you have, but anyway.
But then why would you belistening to us in the first
place?
Speaker 2 (50:27):
Love it.
Well, yeah, I guess that's ourhope, isn't it?
That you create your home to bethe best it can be, and I think
that we know how fulfillingthat can be.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
Definitely yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
It's just worth it, it's worth thinking about it and
it's worth doing it.
So I think that's sort of wherewe're coming from.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
That sounded like a.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
Dulux ad.
Oh my God, I think Dulux shoulddefinitely come and sponsor us?
Speaker 1 (50:51):
Yeah, they need to now.
Well, it's been so fun to talkabout this because we're both
obviously quite passionate aboutit and, yeah, hopefully
everybody gets something from it, and we'd love you guys to, you
know, jump on our Instagram andpop some comments in when we
post.
Tell us what you think about it.
We really want to know Totally.
Speaker 2 (51:11):
So good.
Thanks, Brie.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
Thank you, Lauren Bye .
Speaker 2 (51:14):
Bye.
So thank you guys for listeningin and just a quick reminder if
you would like some help withthe interiors for your own home,
I can help you in a coursecalled the Style Studies
Essentials.
Or for designers out there,come into the Design Society for
business and marketing and allof the things.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
Yeah, and in the same show notes you'll find a link
to sign up for my soon to bereleased furniture collections,
pre-selected furniturecollections and cool trend
information, and then, in thefuture, some short courses on
styling and trends as well.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
So good Bree.
We've got the utmost respectfor the Wurundjeri people of the
Kulin Nation.
They're the OG custodians ofthis unceded land and its waters
, where we set up shop, createand call home and come to you.
From this podcast today, A bigshout out to all of the amazing
elders who have walked before us, those leading the way in the
(52:11):
present and the emerging leaderswho will carry the torch into
the future.
We're just lucky to be on thisjourney together.
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